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Live teleconference meeting of the Mountain View Public Safety Advisory Board Meeting scheduled for 7:00 PM, Thursday June 24, 2021.
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B
C
No
we're
not
acting
sergeant,
kearns
is
here
and
I'm
here
to
work.
Okay,.
A
B
Hi
joan,
I
know,
you're
coming
between
meetings,
so
thank
you
for
joining
us
back
to
back.
Yes,
all
right,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
call
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
This
meeting
will
be
conducted
in
accordance
with
state
of
california
executive
order,
n-29-20
dated
march
17,
2020
and
state
of
california
executive
order.
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942-2224-4054
any
emails
received
by
4
30
pm
today
were
forwarded
to
the
psap
emails
received
after
4.
30
pm
will
not
be
read
during
the
meeting,
but
we
will
be
entered
into
the
record
for
the
meeting.
Okay.
Thank
you.
The
second
agenda
item
is
a
roll
call.
Mr
gaines,
could
you
take
the
role
please.
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Sure
chair
ire
present
vice
chair,
frank
president,
remember
burdowski.
B
B
B
If
so,
please
click
the
raise
hand
button
in
zoom
or
press
star
nine
on
your
phone
okay.
So
I'm
just
gonna
peek
at
the
attendee
list
and
see
how
many
people
have
their
hands
raised.
Okay,.
B
So
there
are
nine
attendees
with
let's
see
yeah,
I
think
we
can
afford
three
minutes
per
person.
I'd
like
to
start
with
bruce
england.
A
H
Two
questions
one
might
be
more
common
than
a
question,
but
when
psab
was
established
by
city
council,
there
was
discussion
about
what
the
scope
would
be
and
part
of
the
discussion
had
to
do
with
whether
it
would
be
police
department
related
only
or
also
just
public
safety
in
general,
so
that
would
include
the
fire
department.
Mental
health
crisis
response
things
like
that.
I
know
you
haven't
established
your
work
plan,
yet
I
like
what
melvin
has
proposed
so
far.
H
H
There
is
a
bill
in
the
state
senate
right
now,
ab43,
it's
in
the
transportation
committee
that
will
give
cities
better
flexibility
on
setting
speed
limits,
but
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
hear
from
public
works
and
it's
a
valid
one-
is
that
if
the
speed
limits
are
set
too
low,
it
creates
an
enforcement
problem
for
the
police
department,
and
this
is
probably
something
that
you
haven't
thought
about
as
a
board
yet
with
other
matters
you're
thinking
about.
But
I
would
like
to
see
this
explored.
H
Bringing
speed
limits
down
below
35
miles
an
hour
to
30
or
25
would
be
great,
but
how
the
enforcement
would
be
handled
is
an
important
part
of
the
story.
Thank
you.
B
I
Hi
tim
mckenzie-
he
him
pronouns
montaloma
resident
for
about
six
years
now,
and
it
wouldn't
be
a
zoom
meeting.
If
we
didn't
have
people
trying
to
speak
well,
while
muted
right,
that's
that
happens
all
the
time.
I've
been
guilty
myself
many
times,
I'd
like
to
echo
what
we
just
heard
from
bruce
a
little
bit.
I
really
think
it
would
be
a
shame
for
this
board
for
city
of
mountain
view
for
mvpd.
I
I
Personally,
I
think
that
we
should
look
at
maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs
and
use
that
as
a
framework
for
the
public
safety,
but
just
as
a
specific
example,
a
few
weeks
ago
there
was
an
article
in
the
mountain
view
voice
a
body
was
found
outside
of
the
movie
theater
in
the
san
antonio
neighborhood.
I
I
was
really
troubled
by
that.
I
thought
I
felt
a
little
bit
more
unsafe
and
the
police
showed
up
and
we
found
out
a
week
or
so
later
that
what
happened
was
that
someone
had
died
by
suicide.
I
Having
armed
agents
of
the
state
tasked
with
law
enforcement
showing
up
did
nothing
to
create
an
environment
where
someone
would
choose
to
end
their
own
life
that
I
think,
building
an
environment
where
we
don't
have
people
constantly
trying
to
end
their
own
life.
I
think,
is
a
much
much
more
pressing
and
urgent
public
safety
need
than
anything
else.
Another
thing
that
consistently
comes
up.
This
is
a
separate
thread
that
I
hope
that
you
could
think
about.
As
you
consider
consider,
your
work
plan
is
that
mountain
view.
I
Mvpd
is
different
from
other
police
departments
in
the
area
and
we
are
special
and
unique,
but
something
that
is
true
from
I
learned
this
in
mvpdx
cohort
2
is
that
the
mountain
view
police
department
pays
for
insurance,
along
with
other
police
departments
in
the
area.
I
So
there's
any
issue
like
with
the
city
facing
a
10
million
lawsuit,
because
a
police
officer
pulled
someone
out
of
their
car
in
mountain
view
and
caused
injury,
that
that
sort
of
thing
is
the
insurance
that
it's
protecting
and
protecting
against,
but
we're
pooled
in
with
these
other
police
departments.
That
mvpd
is
supposedly
so
much
better
than
if
we're
going
to
be
unique
and
we
are
going
to
set
ourselves
apart.
I
I
think
that
we
should
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
and
instead
of
buying
into
insurance
in
case
something
goes
wrong
like
if
a
police
officer
in
sunnyvale
shoots
and
kills
someone
on
the
job
or
police
officers
in
redwood
city,
shoot
and
kill
a
teacher
having
a
mental
health
crisis,
and
then
the
city
of
redwood
city
faces
a
a
a
lawsuit.
Like
is
going
on
right
now
that
shouldn't
be
coming
out
of
the
mountain.
The
mountain
view
taxpayers
dollar
public
offers,
if
our
police
department
really
is
so
much
better.
I
I
think
one
thing
that
we
could
do
is
transfer
the
the
have
it
so
that
the
police
pension
fund
is
the
source
of
any
lawsuits,
because
that
would
mean
that
yeah,
the
money
is
coming
from
our
police
department
and
there
is
an
incentive
for
the
police
officers
to
weed
out
any
battle
through
the.
B
All
right,
I
do
not
at
this
time.
Let
me
just
do
one
more
last
check
see
any
other
public
hands
race,
so
I
believe
that
ends
the
public
comment
section.
So
we
will
now
close
the
oral
communications
item
and
move
to
discussion
action
items
so
on
the
agenda.
We're
going
to
be
at
section
four
4.1
is
the
mvpd
research
fellow
update.
B
It
is
an
update
from
the
mvpd
research
fellow
mr
alex
stevenson.
He
will
be
presenting
following
his
presentation.
Psab
members
will
ask
any
questions
they
may
have,
and
then
we
will
open
the
door
for
public
comment.
No
action
will
be
taken
related
to
this
item.
Mr
stevenson,
you
may
begin
when
you
are
ready.
J
Good
evening,
members
of
the
board,
some
of
whom
have
had
the
privilege
of
meeting
before
and
those
who
have
not
it-
is
nice
to
meet
you
for
the
first
time.
May
I
just
get
a
clarification
as
to
how
much
time
I
have
from
the
chair.
B
You
have,
you
definitely
have
15
minutes.
J
Sounds
great
and
then
in
the
classic
zoom
greeting.
Can
everyone
see
these
slides
that
I
have
shared?
J
J
Well,
as
as
mentioned,
it's
very
nice
to
be
here,
my
name
is
alex
stevenson.
I'm
the
research
fellow
within
the
city
of
mountain
view,
police
department,
I'm
also
a
phd
candidate
in
the
department
of
political
science
at
the
university
of
california.
Berkeley-
and
I
am
here
today
to
share
with
this
board
a
little
bit
of
an
update
of
what
we've
been
working
on
and
to
get
some
of
the
board's
feedback
and
input.
J
So
this
presentation
is
going
to
cover
three
areas.
The
first
one
is
going
to
discuss
why
we've
been
taking
a
look
at
traffic
stops
for
this
initial
report
when
considering
potential
sources
of
disparities
and
bias
within
the
mountain
view,
police
department.
The
second
part,
is
going
to
be
a
fair
number
of
graphs,
which
we'll
discuss
sort
of
summarizing
data
on
stops
as
well
as
searches
and
then
finally,
I'd
like
to
present
at
least
very
initial
baseline
results
from
one
of
the
primary
tests
of
discrimination,
and
I
apologize
for
the
typo
there
very
quickly.
J
I've
also
been
able
to
discuss
issues
with
patrol
officers.
I've
gone
on
about
eight
hours
of
ride-along
so
far
on
a
friday
night,
which
has
given
me
at
least
some
window
into
mountain
view,
patrol
procedure,
especially
as
it
relates
to
traffic
stops
and
I've
also
been
able
to
speak
with
many
individuals
in
the
record
staff
and
support,
all
of
whom
are
invaluable
to
this
effort.
It
has
been
in
my
experience,
and
it
is
just
a
n
of
one,
but
all
of
my
questions,
the
mountain
view.
J
J
So
the
first
question
that
might
be
a
reasonable
one
is:
why
is
the
report
and
what
we're
working
on
focusing
on
traffic
stops
and
to
kind
of
step
back
part
of
the
reason
we
might
ask
this
question
is:
there's
lots
of
reasons
to
imagine
that
there
are
bias
or
potential
disparities
within
police
department
procedure.
Just
thinking,
abstractly
and
traffic
stops
are,
but
one
way
that
the
police
interact
with
a
community,
in
particular
a
community
of
motorists.
So
why
this
one
well?
J
J
The
second
one,
though,
is
a
data
issue
and,
depending
on
how
you
feel
about
about
that,
you
may
be
more
or
less
skeptical
about
results,
but
it's
important
when
we're
considering
predominantly
issues
of
racial
disparities
and
racial
bias
that
we
actually
have
consistent
data
on
that
and,
in
mountain
view,
the
primary
interaction
for
which
not
only
do
we
have
consistent
data
on
perceived
race,
age
and
gender
across
time.
So
we
have
data
from
2014
to
2020.
J
That
is
also
a
data
question
we
might
think
broadly
in
terms
of
compliance,
and
I
don't
use
compliance
negatively
more
that
one
of
the
requirements
for
a
mountain
view,
police
officer
after
dealing
with
a
traffic
stop
is
they
are
required
to
fill
out
a
form
that
includes
perceived
race,
age
and
gender
before
they're
allowed
to
go
back
into
what
would
be
sort
of
informally
known
as
active
service.
That
is,
they
could
take
calls
again-
and
this
is
something
that's
required
either.
J
And
I'd
also
kind
of
thinking
generally-
and
I've
spoken
about
this,
at
least
with
some
of
you
in
various
mvpdx
forum,
which
was
greatly
helpful.
For
me,
this
is
administrative
data
and,
more
generally,
it's
observational
data
and
by
observational
data
I
mean
that
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
randomly
assign
police
officers
to
stop
cars,
and
I
also
don't
have
the
ability
to
look
at
every
single
possible
car
that
a
police
officer
could
have
stopped
but
chose
not
to.
I
instead
have
the
administrative
records
that
the
police
department
has,
and
one
consequence
of
that
is.
J
Similarly,
it
was
one
of
the
advantages
of
traffic
stops,
is
they're,
often
always
officer
initiated,
but
one
question
that
you
may
want
to
know
about
potential
disparities
or
bias
is
questions
about
how
police
officers
act
with
different
neighborhoods.
Here,
though,
we
have
a
problem
just
with
our
data,
because
it's
observational
in
nature,
in
that
the
reason
why
a
police
officer
may
be
in
a
certain
area
may
be
true
for
a
host
of
reasons.
For
example,
that's
just
a
normal
part
of
their
beat.
J
It
could
be
that
residents
have
previously
called
in
and
have
asked
for
greater
police
presence.
It
could
be
because
there
is
views
on
behalf
of
the
officer
that
there
may
be
an
increased
risk
of
crime
in
that
area.
It
may
be
where
officers
frequently
eat
lunch
and
so
are
returning
from
lunch
break,
but
all
of
those
will
mean
that
there
is
a
feedback
between
the
kind
of
neighborhood
level
and
the
police
officer
as
a
consequence.
J
That
is
something
that,
if
you're
incredibly
skeptical
about
data
is
I
I
would
think,
as
a
researcher
fair,
to
be
skeptical
about
I'm
a
little
bit
more
optimistic
than
that.
In
that,
I
think
we
can
learn
something,
but
what
we
learn
is
an
implied
experiment,
thinking
about
the
police
motorist
encounter.
J
So
that's
our
unit
of
analysis
and
our
tests
for
discrimination
that
are
looking
at
potential
disparities
or
bias
are
considering
whether
or
not
officers
would
make
similar
choices
when
stopping
community
members,
in
this
case,
with
different
perceived
racial
or
ethnic
backgrounds,
and
so
that
in
mind
is
the
kind
of
idea
and
behind
this
data
analysis.
But
I
am
needing
to
point
out
that
there
are
many
other
very
interesting
questions
that
might
be
interesting
to.
The
community
certainly
might
be
interesting
to
the
police
department
that
this
kind
of
effort
is
unable
to
shed
light
on.
J
So
I'm
going
to
in
this
presentation,
in
part
for
time
reasons
only
focus
on
the
the
third
bullet
point,
which
is
referred
to
as
a
veil
of
darkness
test
in
terms
of
the
specific
tests
that
we've
done
for
discrimination,
and
that's
predominantly
because
that
test
is
fully
completed.
The
outcome
and
threshold
tests
are
not
fully
completed
yet,
and
so
consequently,
I'm
not
presenting
them
publicly,
but
I'm
happy
to
talk
if
there
are
questions
about
them
informally.
J
This
is
not
a
surprising
point
plague
every
aspect
of
american
society,
for
example,
there
are
strong
racial
disparities
and
ethnic
disparities
in
home
ownership
in
the
state
of
california,
as
well
as
many
other
states,
including
my
home
state
of
minnesota.
The
question
that
the
police
department
has
been
very
interested.
The
city
has
been
very
interested.
J
I
know
community
members
have
been
very
interested
in
as
well
is
whether
or
not
we
see
evidence
of
bias
and
this
definition,
where
I
adapt
from
a
national
academy
of
science
report
from
2018
looking
at
policing
and
racial
bias,
and
it's
referring
to
a
difference
in
behavior.
In
this
case,
on
behalf
of
a
police
officer
that
we
might
attribute
to
another
person's
race.
I.E,
a
police
officer
treats
a
black
motorist
differently
than
they
would
treat
a
white
motorist
or
a
motorist
who
they
perceive
to
be
black
or
perceived
to
be
white.
J
The
most
common
test
that
is
normally
used
for
this,
and
we
can
think
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
summary
tests
are
what
are
referred
to
as
benchmark
tests.
And
that's
where
you
compare
the
frequency
in
which
a
a
group
experiences
stops,
and
you
scale
that,
for
the
amount
of
contact
that
you
would
expect.
J
But
it's
not
obviously
clear
that
we
should
expect
for
any
reason,
the
amount
of
contacts
police
have
to
perfectly
mirror
a
census
designation-
and
this
is
even
more
true,
perhaps
for
traffic
stops,
for
which
not
only
do
we
not
expect
all
motorists
that
police
may
come
across
to
be
from
mountain
view,
but
we
also
simply
just
do
not
have
a
good
census
of
the
motorist
that
would
come
through
mountain
view
on
a
given
day.
So,
while
this
is
a
test
that
we
are
performing,
I
always
think
of
it
more
as
a
descriptive
test.
J
So
to
summarize,
the
data
that
we
have
on
traffic
stops
again,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
looking
from
the
years
2014
to
2020..
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
three
parts
of
this
chart
in
the
following
order.
If
you
look
at
the
year
2014
while
on
this
chart
would
includes
all
traffic
stops
beginning
in
march
of
2014,
and
that's
due
to
a
transition
in
the
computer-aided
dispatch
or
the
record
system
that
the
mountain
view
police
department
had
in
2014.
J
on
this
chart.
We
include
all
stops,
but
one
of
the
challenges
that
I've
been
attempting
to
solve
is
that,
early
on
in
that
procedure,
there
was
not
extensive
business
logic
to
confirm
that
there
wouldn't
be
data
entry
errors
and
so
early
on
in
2014.
Some
of
the
data
is
not
corrupted
per
se,
but
is
not
accurate,
and
so
one
of
the
efforts
that
I've
been
doing
is
trying
to
fix
that
data
to
make
sure
that
the
various
categories
line
up
to
what
they're
supposed
to
do,
for
example,
that
someone's
age
isn't
searched
in
2020.
J
J
The
third
overall
trend,
though
starting
in
2016,
and
it's
not
a
large
one,
but
is
that
we
are
seeing
a
decrease
in
traffic,
stops
from
the
mountain
view,
police
department
from
a
high
of
around
9
500
to
a
little
bit
over
6
500
in
2019,
and
if
we
imagine
that
traffic
is
constant
in
mountain
view,
over
this
period
of
time,
that
would
also
represent
kind
of
an
absolute
decrease.
However,
we
don't
have
a
good
on.
J
J
I
merely
note
that
to
suggest
that,
in
several
of
these
categories
there
are
sub-classifications,
for
example,
an
officer
would
have
the
opportunity,
supposing
they
came
across
a
motorist
who
they
perceive
to
in
some
sense,
have
japanese
descent,
and
so
they
perceived
that
person
to
be
of
japanese
ethnicity.
They
could
enter
that
and
this
would
be
aggregated
in
this
chart
to
asian
american
pacific
islander.
J
The
major
summary
takeaway
of
this
is
the
three
largest
aggregate:
racial
ethnic
groups
that
are
stopped
in
mountain
view
or
asian
american
pacific
islanders,
hispanic
latino,
latin
x
individuals
and
white
individuals,
and
that
changes
somewhat
slightly
over
time.
White
individuals
and
hispanic
latino,
latinx
individuals
in
all
years
are
most
likely
to
or
have
the
most
stops
in
our
data.
J
And
finally,
when
thinking
about
stops,
it's
also
important-
and
this
is
true
for
some
of
the
tests
that
we'll
plan
to
look
at
for
discrimination
in
relation
to
search
decisions.
The
vast
majority
of
stops
by
the
mountain
view,
police
department
do
not
result
in
a
search
in
any
given
year.
It's
between
about
three
and
five
percent,
so
maximum
we're
looking
at
about
700
search
stops,
and
so
that
means
that
we
have
a
small
amount
of
data
when
we
disaggregate
what
those
searches
can
see.
J
We
find
that
consent,
searches
are
the
most
common
type
of
search
that
occurs
about
36
percent
of
all
searches
in
the
data
consent.
Searches
are
something
that
is
worth
considering,
because
in
many
ways
they
are
ones
that
allow
officers
to
have
large
amounts
of
discretion,
and
they
are
also
some
that
can
be
refused
by
motorists.
J
It
is
the
case
that
perceived
hispanic
and
white
motorists
make
up
the
majority
of
consent,
searches
and
without
trying
to
minimize
this
finding
at
all.
I
do
merely
note
that
we
are
beginning
to
deal
with
very
small
samples,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
discuss
in
questions,
because
my
time
is
running
short.
Anything
in
addition
to
this,
but
it
does
mean
that
some
of
our
search
questions,
so
our
outcome
tests
and
our
threshold
tests
may
be
highly
sensitive
to
very
small
samples.
J
The
last
test
I
want
to
present-
or
in
some
sense
the
first
test
of
discrimination,
is
what's
referred
to
as
a
veil
of
darkness
test
and
again,
if
there
are
further
questions
to
not
go
over
my
time,
I'm
happy
to
speak
in
much
greater
detail
for
any
questions
the
board
has.
But
a
basic
way
to
understand
this
is
a
veil
of
darkness
test
is
imagining
an
experiment
for
which
we
move
daylight
savings
time
around
and
so
similar
to
our
search
question.
J
We
have
a
much
smaller
pool
of
data
than
the
total
number
of
traffic
stops,
and
what
we
read
from
this
chart
is
that
all
three
of
these
confidence
intervals,
which
are
comparing
the
relative
rates,
for
example,
of
asian
american
pacific
islander
motorists
to
white
motorists,
black
motorists
to
white
motorists
and
hispanic
motorists
to
white
motorists
include
zero,
which
means
we
don't
have
any
statistically
significant
evidence
to
suggest
that
coefficient
is
different
between
the
two
and
any
implication
of
that
is
our
baseline
veil
of
darkness
tests
do
not
provide
evidence
of
bias,
given
the
data
we
have
so
far
I'll
merely
note
very
quickly
and
finishing
up,
and
thank
you
for
listening
to
the
board's
time
that
there
are
a
few
more
things
to
go
before
we
achieve
a
final
report,
most
notably
finish,
implementing
the
threshold
test
for
mvpd
data,
which
is
a
test
that
looks
for
disparities
and
bias
in
the
sort
of
search
probability,
as
well
as
the
hit
rate,
which
says
what
how
often
an
officer
finds
contraband
conditioned
on
a
search,
there's
also
further
completing
inventory
of
data
sanitization
checks.
J
So,
for
example,
the
veil
of
darkness
test
that
I
presented
to
you
does
not
have
a
robustness
check
to
check,
for
example,
the
day
of
the
week,
and
that
may
alter
those
coefficients
and
doing
all
of
those
is
both
good
practice,
but
also
is
the
most
likely
way
to
get
the
best
answers
for
these
questions,
and
so
with
that,
I
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
I'm
happy
to
open
up
for
any
questions.
The
board
may
have.
B
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
mr
stevenson.
We
are
now
going
to
take
questions
from
psab
members,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
give
myself
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
first
question.
I'm
wondering
mr
stevenson,
if
you
could
go
back
to
that
very
la
almost
last
slide.
You
presented
this
one
right
there.
Could
you
walk
me
us
through
that
again
very
slowly,
because,
yes,
I
did
not.
I
appreciate
the
conclusion
does
not
provide
evidence
of
bias,
but
I'm
not
sure
why
yes
wondering
if
you
could
walk
us
through
that.
Yes,.
J
Very
happy
to
and
again
I
apologize
for
being
a
little
bit
off
on
time
to
not
be
able
to
do
that
during
the
process.
J
What
that
would
say
is
that
black
motorists
are
less
likely
to
be
stopped
after
dark,
and
that
would
be
evidence
given
that
everything
else
is
the
same.
Except
for
the
fact
now.
It's
dark
outside
that
police
officers
may
be
utilizing
race
in
their
decision
to
stop
individuals,
because
when
they
can't
see
who
is
behind
the
wheel
of
a
car,
in
this
case,
black
motorists
are
stopped
less
often
that's
what
you
would
look
for
in
this
test.
If
you
were
looking
to
see
potential
evidence
of
bias
against
a
minority
group.
J
In
this
case,
all
three
of
our
bars
have
that
point
estimate
so
that
circle
above
zero,
and
so
the
initial
implication
of
that.
If
you
wanted
to
say
that
actually
all
of
these
three
groups
relative
to
white
motorists
are
more
likely
to
be
stopped
when
it
is
dark
outside
in
this
narrow
window.
Again
we're
only
focusing
on
daylight
savings
time.
So
we
can't
say
anything
about
you
know
10
o'clock
in
the
morning
or
2
a.m,
when
it's
always
light
or
always
dark
outside.
J
So
that's
what
the
implication
is,
but
then
to
go
back
to
those
bars
and
again
I'll
direct
your
attention
to
the
middle
comparison
between
black
motorists
and
white
motorists.
We
see
that
that
was
what
we
would
describe
as
a
confidence
interval
for
this,
which
indicates
suppose
we
did
this
infinitely
many
times
how
often
the
true
parameter
would
be
contained
in
that
interval.
95
percent
of
that
infinitely
repeated
procedure.
J
J
The
fact
that
these
point
estimates
are
above
zero,
given
the
very
wide
intervals
also
doesn't
give
us
evidence
to
say,
for
example,
that
white
motorists
are
being
discriminated
against
by
the
mountain
view,
police
department,
and
it
is
a
fair
interpretation
as
well
as
I
mentioned,
in
the
same
way
that
we
have
a
small
sample
in
relation
to
our
search
decisions
that
here,
because
we're
slicing
our
data
during
periods
of
daylight
savings.
One
thing
that
we
may
say
is
that
there
aren't
simply
enough
stops
during
that
period.
B
Thank
you
for
walking
us
through
that
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
to
psab
members
for
questions
derek.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
G
J
Right
so,
in
regards
to
the
first
question,
the
data
that
comes
from
the
police
department
is
not
adjusted.
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
done
that
is
not
being
presented
here
is
run
in
essence,
that
benchmark
test.
I've
been
also
looking
for
other
benchmarks
to,
in
essence,
adjust
based
on
the
composite,
and
that's
why
they're
not
being
presented
here.
J
It
does
seem
looking
at
the
raw
numbers.
So
what
you're,
seeing
in
terms
of
summary
statistics,
for
example,
this
chart
here
these
are
raw
numbers,
so
in
raw
terms,
for
example,
in
2019
hispanic,
latino
and
latinx
folks
were
were
the
largest
group
that
were
in
this
data
that
had
been
pulled
over,
but
that's
not
adjusted.
In
terms
of
the
second
question,
my
understanding
at
least
my
personal
observations
in
terms
of
ride-alongs,
is
that
those
kinds
of
things
did
seem
to
happen
that
you
would
see
a
police
officer
run
a
license
plate.
J
One
reason
why
I've
used
the
phrase
perceived
race
of
the
driver
is
at
least
in
the
state
of
california.
There
is
no
ground
truth
for
race,
but
you
may
be
able
to
access
things
such
as.
If
there
was
potential
priors
the
age,
this
information
that
comes
from
from
the
driver's
license
that
won't
be
contained
in
the
sense
that
this
data
does
not
have
a
field
for
which
an
officer
says.
Yes,
I
ran
the
plate
ahead
of
time
or
no.
I
did
not
right.
G
J
If
you
adjust
you
will
you
will
get
some
differences,
so
in
particular,
groups
that
are
less
than
50
of
the
population
will
be
up
weighted,
so
you'd
see
relative
their
their
numbers
would
go
up,
and
it's
not
the
reason
why
they
I
haven't
specifically
shown
that
chart
is,
as
I
mentioned,
I've
been
trying
to
find
potentially
other
benchmarks,
but
the
real
benchmark,
we'd
like
to
know,
is
not
necessarily
the
population
breakdown
of
mountain
view,
particularly
but
the
breakdown
of
motorists,
and
that
is
likely
to,
as
I
said,
include
members
who
don't
live
in
mountain
view,
but
also
we
might
see
drastically
different
driving
patterns.
J
So,
for
example,
perhaps
just
to
pick
a
representation
on
this
chart.
Perhaps
a
perceived
middle
eastern
drivers
make
up
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
total
driving
community
in
mountain
view
and
yet
seem
to
be
stopped
substantially
higher.
We
don't
yet
have
good
information
on
that,
and
so
that's
what
I've
been
trying
to
locate.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
Yeah.
B
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
call
on
member
tang.
K
Hi
thanks
member
or
sorry
thanks,
mr
stevenson,
for
your
presentation
today.
I
had
a
couple
clarifying
questions.
One
is
so
I
believe
that
this
veil
of
darkness
tests
is
it
the
same
time
interval
for
the
time
of
day,
for
both,
like
march
and
november,
like
the
same
hour.
J
Yes
with
it's
particularly
looking
sort
of
the
inter
twilight
period
of
time
and
that's
going
to
change
during
the
year
and
part
of
that
is
what
we
attempt
to
therefore
use
as
variation,
because
we
get
variation
in
light
throughout
the
year,
which
makes
it
easier
or
more
difficult
in
order
to
be
able
to
see.
So
that's
the
underlying
premise
of
the
test.
One
assumption
that's
embedded
in
that
is
that
the
only
thing
that
would
be
changing
during
the
year
is
light.
J
So,
for
example,
these
tests
would
not
be-
and
this
is
true-
a
common
limitation
of
any
sort
of
observational
test
for
discrimination.
If
say,
the
underlying
population
drastically
change.
So,
for
example,
in
march
suppose
there
were
only
black
motorists,
white
motorists
and
hispanic
motorists
on
the
road
in
mountain
view,
so
there
were
no
asian
american
pacific
islander
motorists,
obviously
an
absurd
example,
but
just
for
a
thought,
experiment
purpose
if
they
weren't
there
in
march,
but
they
were
there
in
november.
The
underlying
distribution
has
changed.
J
K
So
we're
basically
trying
to
control
for
things
like
who
was
on
shift,
who
is
on
the
road
and
basically
we're
we're.
Only
looking
at
amount
of
light
is
the
objective
of
this
test.
J
Yeah,
if
we
thought
about
it
like
a
like
a
medical
experiment,
so,
like
blue
pill
red
pill,
the
amount
of
life
light
would
be.
You
know.
A
lot
of
light
is
the
blue
pill
and
no
light
is
the
red
pill
and
what
one
of
the
things
in
terms
of
robustness
checks
that
I
would
like
to
continue
to
do.
As
I
said,
this
is
baseline
you're,
raising
a
lot
of
of
great
robustness,
checks
that
I
I'm
hoping
to
be
able
to
get
information
on.
J
For
example,
you
know,
are
the
same
people
on
shift
during
same
periods
or
do
they
change
a
lot?
Do
we
think
that
officers,
you
know,
do
different
things
at
different
times
of
the
year?
Those
would
all
be
reasons
for
which
you
know.
Maybe
this,
these
change
as
a
result
of
that,
and
so
that's
why
it's
important
to
do
these
robustness
checks.
J
So
I
present
this
as
a
baseline,
because
the
baseline
is
finished,
but
with
the
limitations,
as
I
mentioned,
both
in
terms
of
need
to
do
more
robustness,
checks,
as
well
as
illustrating
we're
dealing
with
a
sort
of
small
window
of
time.
We're
dealing
with
that
inter
twilight
period,
so
this
would
not
be
able
to
speak,
for
example,
to
someone's
experience
of
potential
discrimination
at
10
30
in
the
morning,
for
which
light
would
not
be
a
concern.
K
K
Okay,
thanks
for
answering
my
questions.
L
J
I
apologize
if
I
misspoke,
I
meant
their
officer
initiated
the
vast
majority
of
traffic
stops
are
initiated
by
the
police
officer
as
opposed
to
a
a
community
member
has
called
9-1-1
and
said
someone
drove
100
miles
past
my
house,
and
so
there
is
a
response
from
a
police
officer
happen
in
in
the
data
and
are
coded
as
such.
They
are
still
traffic
stops
and
so
they're
in
this
data
as
traffic
stops
and
they're
included
in
these
tests,
but
this
is
only
analyzing
to
be
very
clear
to
the
board
as
well.
L
J
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
to
that,
specifically,
because
I
can't
guarantee
that
I
have
the
perfect
answer
for
you,
but
I
will
follow
up
and
send
written
to
the
board
what
that
number
is.
Generally
speaking
and
informally
speaking,
most
traffic
stops
occur
at
the
primary
traffic
choke
points
within
mountain
view,
so
predominantly
on
the
main
roads
and
close
to
highways.
L
You
give
us
numbers,
you
show
the
graphs
of
different
years
and
how
many
traffic
stops
out
of
those,
because
a
lot
of
people
travel
here
to
work
right
now
in
2020.
Obviously,
so
how
what's
the
percentage
of
mountain
view,
residents
who
were
cited.
J
So
the
the
data
I
have
looked
at
has
been
at
least
the
stuff.
The
work
I've
done
so
far
has
been
agnostic
to
the
question
of
percentage
of
residents.
I
believe
it
would
be
possible
to
link
the
information
in
terms
of
citations,
and
I
will
do
so
as
soon
as
possible
and
send
the
send
the
board
the
answer
to
that
question.
L
And
thank
you
and
the
last
question.
Basically,
I
don't
know
whether
you
can
maybe
shouldn't
be
directed
to
the
police
department,
so
the
citations
create
a
source
of
revenue
right
for
the
police
department
in
the
city.
What's
the
amount
of
remedy,
would
you
know
by
any
chance?
If
you
don't
it's
fair
enough,
we
can
try
to
find
that
information.
J
That
is
not
information
that
I
am
aware
of.
I
think
that
would
be
a
question
better
opposed
to
the
police
department.
All.
A
Okay,
remember
tang
is
your
hand
up
again
or
is
it
still
left
up?
Okay,
please
go
ahead.
K
Sorry,
I
just
had
one
more
question
out
of
curiosity,
and
I
know
it's
not
included
in
this
current
set
of
data
that
we're
looking
at
I'm
just
very
curious
as
to
whether
the
like
year
make
and
model
of
a
car
is
included
in
this
in
in
the
data
available,
and
I
just
wonder
wondering
out
loud
if
that
happens,
to
be
significant.
J
I'm
happy
to
to
answer
the
specific
the
data
I
have
access
to,
especially,
for
example,
warning
so
for
any
data
for
which
there
wouldn't
be
extensive
reports.
I
will
not
have
data
on
make
model
et
cetera,
and
I
don't
want
to
wander
aloud
to
too
much,
but
in
a
very,
very
limited
sense.
We
might
imagine
that
one
potential
worry
or
threat
to
our
inference
about
discrimination
is
if
officers
were
thinking
generally.
J
So
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
I'm
not
speaking
to
any
specific
research
that
I
have
done
or
saying
anything
about
the
mountain
view
police
department.
Specifically,
we
might
think
in
general
that
if
individuals
correlate
certain
kinds
of
vehicles
with
certain
kinds,
for
example,
you
know
certain
racial
or
ethnic
groups,
or
at
least
perceived
racial
or
ethnic
groups.
J
They
could
use
that
as
a
proxy
in
such
a
way-
and
this
is
often
one
of
the
questions-
that's
related
to
a
limitation
of
the
veil
of
darkness
test,
which
is
there
isn't
a
way
to
tease
out
necessarily
in
that
test.
You
know
our
officers,
for
example,
substituting
some
other
information
that
they
are
able
to
see
during
both
the
day
and
the
night
has
a
proxy,
and
so
that
certainly
could
be
occurring.
J
That's
not
something
that
the
data
I
have
access
to
would
be
able
to
speak
to,
and
I
think
is
a
generally
difficult
inference
problem,
and
this
is
something
that's
difficult
for
thinking
about,
not
just
policing
but
any
kind
of
questions
of
of
disparities,
which
is
you
know
what
information
are
people
using
when
they
make
decisions,
and
we
don't
have
access
to
all
of
that.
It
would
be
great
if
we
did.
I
would
love
that.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
I
hope
I
answered
it.
M
Yes,
ma'am
alex
have
two
questions:
do
we
capture
the
data
regarding
the
actual
infraction
that
motivated
the
stop,
and
second
was
the
infraction
that
motivated
to
stop
the
only
infraction
that
was
cited
during
the
stop?
Do
we
have
that
information.
J
To
my
knowledge
to
all
for
all
stops
for
which
we'll
have
sort
of
disposition,
so
it'll
be
the
reason
for
stop.
That
will
sometimes
include
multiple
dispositions.
So,
for
example,
there
is
say
a
vehicle
stop
because
there
is
a
broken
taillight
and
also,
there
is
say,
a
parole
violation.
So
it's
known
that
that
car
is
driven
by
someone
who
is
wanted
for
a
parole
violation
in
the
data.
My
understanding
is
that
both
of
those
will
be
included
in
a.
J
Row-
and
so
yes,
sorry,
apologies,
the
other,
the
capturing
the
actual
infraction.
Certainly,
I
believe
for
all
citations.
That
will
be
true.
I
would
have
to
look
at
the
data
and
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
as
to
whether
it
also
applies
for
warnings,
but
I
believe
in
all
cases
the
sort
of
initial
reason
for
a
stop
is
included,
and
that
is
particularly
going
to
be
true.
Whenever
there's
a
search
question
that
information
we
should
have.
Indeed,
it
was
one
of
the
early
signs
when
I
was
cleaning
the
data
to
suggest.
B
All
right,
I
oh
member,
langton,
I
see
your
hand
up.
G
And
just
one
more
so
I
I'm
kind
of
making
an
assumption
here,
but
basically
like
equipment
violations.
You
know,
taillights,
you
know
and
so
forth.
I
they
tend
to
be
on
older
cars.
I
mean
my
car
has
led
lights.
You
know
it's
going
to
last
forever.
You
know
and
I
think
that's
skews
to
a
poorer
demographic
did
you
do
you
touch
on
any
of
that?
Are
you?
Do
you
have
a
date
on
that?
Will
you.
J
It
is
something
that
I
am
looking
at.
I
agree
with
you,
member
tang,
I
think,
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
for
the
member.
I
think
maeve,
who
was
suggesting
a
kind
of
similar
thing
in
asking
you
know,
make
model
and
car
that
we
may
imagine
that
cars
are
also
driven.
As
you
say,
you
know,
older
cars
might
be
driven
by
lower
socioeconomic
status
individuals.
So
we
don't.
A
B
B
So
I
think
that
will
enable
us
to
have
three
minutes
per
speaker.
I'm
going
to
start
with
tim.
I
Hi
all
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
alex
that
was
instructive.
I
learned
a
lot
and
I'm
just
if
I
understand
correctly,
it's
sort
of
at
the
officer
motorist
interaction,
because
that's
the
level
of
the
data
and
where
we
can
actually
get
statistically
a
significant
relevant
analysis
out
of
it,
and
so
I
sort
of
have
two
questions
about
that.
I
One
is:
does
that
mean
if
we
disaggregated,
we
could
see
just
speaking
hypothetically
if
there
was
one
bad
apple
and
then
a
department
full
of
amazing
police
officers
would
looking
at
the
individual
data,
since
it's
at
the
motorist
officer
level?
I
So,
even
if
things
are
like,
how
can
we
is
there
any
data
for
other
cities
in
a
similar
way
than
that
we
could
maybe
start
getting
in
comparison,
because,
from
the
operational
standpoint
of
a
person
going
through,
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
compare
and
know
like
hey.
Maybe
I
should
avoid
that
city,
even
though
I
understand
that
the
current
data,
as
it
exists,
doesn't
allow.
That
is
that
something
that
could
happen.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
A
B
You
tim
miriam.
Please
go
ahead.
N
There
we
go
I'm
unmuted
now.
This
will
not
take
three
minutes.
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
analysis.
One
thing
that
I
think
is
very
cool
is
the
amount
of
data
cleaning.
That's
happened
here
that
that
makes
this
data,
something
that
we
can
do
analysis
on
and
I
think
it
would
be
cool
and
I
don't
know
what
the
legal
ramifications
of
this
are.
N
If
it
could
be
released
to
the
public
or
made
open
source
of
your
analysis
could
be
made
open
source
in
some
way,
because
there's
there's
a
lot
of
data
geeks
here
in
mountain
view,
in
the
bay
area
and
I'm
sure
that
that
people
would
like
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
also
it
might
set
a
standard
for
other
cities
where
right
now
we
don't
have
data
to
compare.
But
if
we
said
well
in
mountain
view,
we
do
have
this
public
data
set.
It
might
encourage
other
cities
to
do
the
same
thanks.
B
Thank
you.
I
do
not
see
any
other
hands
raised
at
the
moment
from
the
public,
so
I'd
like
to
return
to
the
psab
group
and
see
if
there
are
any
other
hands
raised
from
members
of
psap
with
questions.
Cleve
is
your
hand
raised
again
or
was:
is
it
left
over.
M
Yeah,
that's
one
other
question
and
you
may
have
covered
this
already,
but
are
the
days
of
the
weeks
covered
in
the
data.
J
Yes,
so
just
as
an
example
of
a
of
a
row
in
this
data,
it
would
start
with,
in
essence
a
unique
identifier
and
you
can
split
that
out
and
that
identifier
is
the
day
as
well
as
the
time.
So
I
have
converted
those
days,
for
example,
today
thursday
june
24th.
J
We
have
time
so
we
can
look
at
evening
traffic.
The
veil
of
darkness
analysis
that
was
presented
is
is
taking
advantage
of
the
fact
that
we
have
those
times
to
look
in
the
evening.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Any
other
piece
of
hands
raised,
I
don't
see
any
so
I
will
go
ahead
with
my.
I
have
two
points
to
make.
One
is:
I
I've
made
some
notes
of
questions
that
either.
Mr
stevenson,
you
said
you
would
follow
up
on
or
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
the
what?
If
the
answer
can
happen
or
not.
We
don't
need
to
go.
I'm
going
to
just
read
them
out.
B
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
note
them
as
follow-up
items
so
either
the
answer
is
it
can't
happen
or
you
bring
us
back
something
so
specifically
which
neighborhoods
and
and
I'm
going
to
say
this
is
with
the
w
referring
to
veil
of
darkness,
but
assume
with
for
all
the
tests
that
you're
going
to
be
investigating
these
same
questions
will
likely
come
up
which
neighborhoods
the
number
of
stops
that
were
residents
versus
compute
commuters
and
how
that
rate
reflects
back.
B
On
the
actual
population
of
mountain
view,
the
amount
of
revenue
that's
generated
by
traffic
stops
over
the
period
of
time
that
you
are
tracking
the
initial
reason
that
a
traffic
stop
happens,
the
make
and
model
of
the
cars
that
are
being
stopped.
B
Individual
officer
data,
so
are
there
officers
that
are
making
more
more
traffic
stops
than
others,
and
I'm
guessing
that
by
it
itself
will
engender
more
questions,
but
I'm
just
to
stop
there
whether
you
will
be
looking
at
data
from
other.
Similarly
sized
cities
in
the
bay
area
or
elsewhere.
B
To
compare
and-
and
I
guess
with
this
similar
demographic
makeup
and
whether
your
analysis
will
somehow
for
all
the
data
geeks
out,
there
will
be
made
open
source.
I
do
think
mountain
view
is
a
very
innovative
city
and
we
lead
often
by
example-
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
this,
that
would
be
something
for
us
to
consider.
B
Okay,
so
those
are
all
the
questions.
I
heard
that
I'm
not
sure
of
the
answers
for
so
I'm
going
to
lob
them
over
to
you,
mr
stevenson,
and
I'd
like
to
ask
tell
us
the
timeline
that
you're
working
on
right
now
for
these
other
tests
that
you're
doing
or
a
data
that
you're
analyzing,
and
when
can
we
next
expect
an
update
from
you.
M
Hey
kavita,
if
I
could,
before
you
get
that
answer,
I
think
the
neighborhood
question
the
unless
I
understand
it
wrong,
they
patrol
in
sectors
so.
M
That
that
was
my
point
and
the
other
thing
is,
I
think
again,
I
might
be
wrong
here.
There
are
some
folks
who
just
do
traffic
and
then
there
are
other
folks
who
do
other
things
so
that
group
of
people
may
have
an
outside
number
of
stop
data.
B
Exactly
the
chances
are
that
traffic
officers
are
going
to
have
the
predominant
number
of
traffic
stops
yeah,
so
the
individual
officer
data,
I'm
gonna,
lob-
that
over
to
with
a
big
fat
grain
of
salt
right,
like
you,
tell
me,
if
there's
anything,
to
be
gleaned
from
that
information
with
exactly
the
types
of
things
that
the
vice
chair
just
mentioned
right,
so
maybe
it's
yeah,
I'm
not
gonna,
suggest
anything.
You
tell
me
vice
chair
frank.
Do
you
have
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
add
at
this
point?
B
Okay,
actually,
before
I
go
on
to
your
timeline,
remember
sandu.
Did
you
have
a
comment?
Oh
remember,
sound
dude
disappear.
No,
I'm
right
here.
A
L
I
just
want
to
add
one
more
thing
to
your
list:
okay,
how
many
due
to
the
traffic
stops?
How
many
resulted
in
arrests-
and
you
don't
have
to
give
me
a
breakdown
of
the
arrest,
but
you
know
it
could
be
duis
violent.
They
will
want
to,
but
just
a
percentage.
That's
all
we
if
you
could
find
that
out.
That'd
be
very,
very
helpful.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
You
any
other
comments
on
my
list
any
other
to
do's
to
put
on
mr
stevenson's
list.
Okay,
so,
mr
stevenson,
when
can
we
expect
you
back?
How
would
you
like
to
interact
with
us?
Do
you
have
some
thoughts
on
that.
J
Madam
chair,
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
another
hand
popped
up
on
my
screen
and
before
I'm
happy
to
answer
the
question.
But
oh.
B
I
do
oh
sorry,
member
linkedin,
my
zoom
is
acting
up.
I
apologize.
G
Did
do
you,
do
you
see
any
you
said
most
of
those
stops
were
at
major
choke
points.
You
know,
like
you
know,
intersection
or
whatever,
but
you
didn't
see
evidence
of
any
like
neighborhood
bias
like
in
particularly
like
the
cal
av.
J
J
B
Yeah
I'd
like
to
remember
linkedin,
if,
okay
with
you
I'd
like
to
put
the
cal
ave
question
and
put
that
in
with
the
neighborhood
sexters
question,
when
stevenson
is
in
a
position
where
he's
comfortable
to
answer
that,
and
mr
stevenson
I'd
like
to
understand
your
timelines
and
if,
in
an
ideal
world,
how
would
you
like
to
keep
us
abreast
of
your
progress.
J
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
to
all
members
of
of
the
board,
as
well
as
the
community
members
who've
spoken.
These
are
very
helpful
to
me
to
to
get
information.
I
have
lots
of
good
things
on
the
to-do
list.
The
the
short
answer,
at
least
for
for
a
couple
of
these
is
absolutely
we
can
do
breakdown
by
beat
that's
one
of
we
also
have
lat
and
long
and
geo
locations,
and
so
questions
about
neighborhoods
are
questions
that
can
be
answered
from
this
data.
As
mentioned
prior.
J
J
In
terms
of
a
timeline,
I
am
hopeful
that
the
initial
remaining
sort
of
base
tests
are
prior
to
robustness
will
actually
be
done
in
the
next
week
or
two
and
that
the
sort
of
initial
draft
of
a
final
report
will
be
will
be
done
relatively
soon
after
I
am
happy
within
with
an
I
suppose,
general
reason,
of
course,
to
update
the
the
board
on
information
in
whatever
way
the
board
finds
preferable.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
with
that,
I'm
looking
around
for
any
more
hands
all
right.
So
with
that,
I
think
we
have
concluded
item
4.1
on
the
agenda.
Thank
you,
mr
stevenson.
For
your
time
we
appreciate
it.
B
Okay,
so
we
are
now
moving
on
to
item
4.2,
which
is
an
overview
of
the
mvpd
youth
services
unit
and
school
resource
officers.
Principal
management,
analyst,
melvin,
gaines
and
sergeant
lloyd.
Kearns
will
present
this
item.
Mr
gaines,
could
you
begin
the
presentation
please.
D
D
All
right,
thank
you
I'll.
Just
ask
you
to
advance
when
I,
when
I'm
ready,
if
that's
okay
with
you,
yes,
sir,
so
chair
ir
and
members
of
the
public
safety
advisory
board,
I'm
happy
to
present
today,
along
with
sergeant
kearns
on
the
youth
services
unit
and
specifically
the
school
resource
officers,
I'm
providing
an
overview
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
I
wanted
to
set
the
the
the
tone
a
little
bit
about
why
we're
here
we're
here,
because
there
is
public
interest
in
mountain
view,
police
department's
use
of
school
resource
officers,
some
community
members
have
called
for
the
city
to
remove
school
resource
officers
from
school
campuses
and
other
community
members
have
spoken
favor
of
the
school
resource
officer
program
and
would
like
the
city
to
continue
to
provide
school
resource
resource
officers.
D
D
O
Program
good
evening
board
members
community
members,
I'd
like
to
invite
you
to
an
evening
with
an
sro,
you
know
I'd,
say
15
or
20
minutes
with
an
sro
tonight.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
O
I
understand
the
board
members
have
received
the
staff
report
regarding
the
issues
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight,
and
so
this
is
really
just
a
brief
overview
of
that
staff
report
that
you
have
I'm
going
to
start
tonight
by
introducing
myself
who
I
am
and
my
experiences
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
into
a
little
bit
of
history
of
the
sro
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
day
in
the
life
of
the
sro
and
then
at
the
end,
we're
going
to
just
talk
about
hit
on
a
few
of
our
major
programs
that
we
run
in
our
youth
services
unit.
O
So
a
little
bit
about
myself,
my
name
is
lloyd.
Kearns
I've
been
a
police
officer
for
working
on
almost
24.
Almost
25
years
now
born
in
the
city
of
san
francisco
raised
in
the
city
of
vallejo
graduated
in
the
city
of
fairfield.
O
That's
significant
because
for
a
single
mom
to
raise
four
boys
is
almost
impossible,
but
she
had
a
source
that
she
depended
on
every
day,
four
or
five
days
a
week,
and
that
was
my
church
four
or
five
days
a
week
me
and
my
brothers
attended
church,
and
that
was
that
was
the
foundation
of
of
why
I
love
what
I
do
with
youth
through
the
from
as
early
as
I
remember.
As
five
years
old
till
I
was
26
years
when
I
became
a
cop.
O
I've
been
involved
in
a
church,
and
then
I
took
a
really
interesting
youth
call
it
a
calling,
I
don't
know
calling
a
liking.
I
don't
know
I'm
a
spiritual
guy,
so
I
like
to
call
it
a
calling,
the
lord
blesses
us
with
different
abilities
to
do
things
and-
and
I
believe
in
the
humble
way
that
his
calling
for
me
was
to
mentor
work
with
youth
and
I've
been
doing
it
since
those
days,
those
young
days
in
church
and
then
into
my
career
as
a
police
officer.
O
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
this
before,
but
I
thought
I
was
gonna
be
a
youth
minister.
I
just
ate
and
breathed
church
and
and
working
with
kids,
and
I
thought
okay,
I'm
going
to
be
a
youth
minister.
Here
it
comes
and
then
that
didn't
work
out,
because
I
wanted
to
have
a
family
and
I
figured
out
what
youth
ministers
make
and
that
wasn't
gonna
happen
in
california
in
the
bay
area.
O
So
I
looked
into
this
whole
thing
about
being
a
police
officer,
and
what
did
that
mean?
And
if
you
know
a
little
bit
about
my
history,
me
being
a
police
officer?
No,
I
I
was
taught
at
a
young
age
growing
up
in
a
predominantly
african-american
city
in
that
time
that
you
don't
communicate
with
the
police.
You
respect
the
police,
but
you
don't
volunteer
anything
to
the
police
and
that
kind
of
worked
so
and
you
and
I'm
thinking
about
being
a
police
officer.
O
No,
that's
not
gonna
happen,
and
then
you
know,
doors
opened
up
and
1997.
I
got
sworn
in
as
a
police
officer
with
the
mount
view.
Police
department-
and
this
is
where
I
am
today
and
year.
O
25
starts
in
january
of
2022,
but
it's
been
a
story
career
and
I
have
to
tell
you
the
most
exciting
part
of
what
I
do,
the
things
that
I,
when
I'm
done
after
my
25
years
of
of
of
what
my
experiences
are
as
a
as
a
police
officer
and
and
what
kind
of
changes
I've
made
has
to
do
with
kids,
youth,
mentoring
and
and
being
there
as
a
resource
and
and
talking
to
kids
and
helping
them
grow
into
the
young
minds
and
the
young
people
of
our
future.
O
So
that's
me,
that's
my
love,
that's
what
I
do
and
I've
been
privileged
to
be
able
to
do
that
towards
the
end
of
my
career,
which,
unfortunately,
for
me,
but
great
for
my
family,
is
probably
not
probably
will
end
sometime
this
year,
but
and
so
that's
a
little
bit
about
me
and
I'm
gonna
talk
a
little
about
a
little
bit
more
about
my
influences
as
a
school
resource
officer
as
we
go
kind
of
through
this
timeline,
I
will
keep
it
to
that
20
minutes.
So
let's
talk
a
little
about
now.
O
O
These
burglaries
were
perpetra
were
perpetrated
by
youth
offenders
and
so
the
department
in
order
to
deal
with
that,
decided
that
okay,
we
need
a
special
kind
of
officer
to
deal
with
these
youth
offenders.
That's
breaking
in
and
burglarizing
places,
so
they
created,
what's
called
a
diversion
officer,
juvenile
diversion
officer
that
juvenile
diversion
officer
was
tasked
with
figuring
out
what
is
going
on.
Why
are
these
kids
and
are
are
so
involved
in
crime,
and
so
they
did
the
best
they
can
to
try
to
curb
it,
and
then
they
realized.
O
You
know
what
this
is
not
working.
We
need
preventative
measures,
and
so,
as
the
70s
rolled
in
my
mentor,
the
great
and
late
bill
crawford
became
a
juvenile
diversion
officer
and
he
was
very,
very
involved
in
what
we
call
school
resource
school
resource
officers
today.
So
bill
became
that
diversion
officer
to
go
in
and
to
help,
kids
and
and
to
figure
out
what
the
problem
was,
and
they
figured
out
very
quickly
that
you
know
what
we
need
to
partner
with
the
schools.
We
need
to
figure
out.
What
is
the
issue
what's
going
on?
O
Why
are
kids
running
the
street?
Why
are
they
out
and
about?
Why?
Are
they
breaking
into
homes
into
cars
and
bill
started
the
school
resource
officer
because
he
entered
the
schools
to
figure
out
what
services
could
he
offer
to
these
kids
now,
a
little
bit
about
bill
bill
was
a
unique
guy,
and
I
am
honored
that
this
guy
trained
me
so
I
took
over
for
bill
as
a
school
resource
officer
for
the
high
school
back
in
2002.
O
bill
created
programs,
some
of
the
programs
I'm
going
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
later.
Bill's
name
is
all
over
it.
He
established
these
programs.
He
created
these
programs
bill
was
the
kind
of
guy
does
that
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
board
members
are
familiar
with
restorative
justice.
That
happened
way
back.
You
know
we're
talking
about
20
years
ago,
but
bill
was
very
crucial
to
restorative
justice,
because
what
bill
did
is
he
said,
you
know
what
this
is
not
working.
O
We
need
to
get
into
the
school
into
the
neighborhoods
and
mentor
these
kids
and
figure
out
what's
going
on
and
provide
a
some
type
of
resource
to
them.
So
what
bill
would
do
is
bill
would
show
up
at
these
kids
hearings,
whether
they
be
in
juvenile
court
or
the
probation
department,
and
he
would
show
up
and
say
your
honor.
O
If
you
divert
this
sentencing
of
this
kid,
I
will
take
on
the
responsibility
of
this
kid
give
him
to
me,
even
though
these
are
not
his
children,
but
he
said
give
them
to
me.
Let
me
figure
this
out,
and
I
remember
when
I
first
came
on
we'd
be
at
the
community
center.
I
show
up
bill
said
you
came
into
work.
I
said
yes,
sir
okay
there's
a
group
of
kids
over
there.
We
need
to
manage
them.
We're
getting
buses
clean,
we're
cleaning
up
the
park.
O
All
these
different
kind
of
things-
and
these
type
of
things
is
that
bill
did
is
what
taught
me,
along
with
my
past
and
youth,
in
the
church
of
how
to
be
a
great
school
resource
officer.
It's
not
about
you
know,
play
yards
or
schools
to
prisons,
it's
about
how
do
we
get
in
here
and
how
do
we
make
a
difference
in
these
kids
lives,
even
though
we
have
our
own
kids
at
home?
O
So
bill
was
very
instrumental
in
what
I
do
to
today
for
the
last
24,
almost
25
years
and
my
service
to
you,
and
so
without
this
guy
I
mean
I
could
go
on
all
night
about
bill,
but
I
know
we
got
20
minutes.
So
what
we're
gonna
do
now
is
the
80s
came
on
and
then
so
the
the
school
diversion
officer
went
from
a
juvenile
diversion
officer
to
the
school
resource
officers.
O
It
was
created
by
bill
crawford
and
then
what
you
have
now
today
in
my
unit
which
I
supervise,
is
we
have
three
school
resource
officers.
We
have
a
coordinator
and
we
have
a
sergeant
today.
I
am
the
acting
sergeant
of
that
unit
and
our
work
is
daily.
We
work
in
the
16
schools,
both
private
and
public,
in
the
city
of
mountain
view.
It
doesn't
matter
if
you're,
if
your
schools
run
off
the
public
money
or
private
money.
O
Now
the
slide
I'm
going
to
show,
you
is
you're
going
to
see
that
road
now
keep
in
mind
that
this
road
does
not
have
anything
to
do
with
programs.
This
is
what
we
do
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
O
So,
as
you
can
see
the
moon
up
there
crocodile
my
day
starts
at
5
30.
In
the
morning
I
met
work,
get
a
little
workout
in
because
you
know
you
got
to
stay
fit
in
this
job.
You
don't
want
kids,
you
know
walking
up
on
you
and
and
and
being
bigger
or
stronger
than
you
are
they're
going
to
be
bigger
than
you
are,
but
they
don't
not
necessarily
stronger.
So
my
day
starts
at
5
30
I
get
in
get
a
little
workout
about
45
minutes.
Then
I
got
to
get
to
the
computer.
O
I
got
to
see
what
my
captain's
sending
me
what
the
sergeant
is
sending
me
what's
going
on
how
many
reports
that
came
in
last
night
in
those
reports,
how
many
youth
were
affected
by
those
reports,
whether
they
be
mental
health
calls
or
whether
they
be
criminal,
calls
or
just
service
calls.
So
my
staff,
my
team,
looks
at
those
things.
O
Then
we
get
on
the
phone
and
we
start
calling
and
start
talking
to
principals,
and
we
start
talking
to
staff.
Okay,
I'm
here
today,
what's
going
on
what's
on
the
agenda
between
that
time,
a
little
cup
of
coffee
here,
because
I
know
what
the
day
is
looking
like
right
now
now
that
I
got
off
the
phone,
I
look
at
the
report,
so
I
need
to
get
some
pick
me
up.
So
I
have
a
little
cup
of
coffee
and
then
off
to
the
patrol
car.
O
First
stop
first
school
as
you
can
see
when
we
go
to
schools
most
of
the
time
I
shouldn't
say
most
of
the
time,
but
some
of
the
time
it's
just
to
be
there
to
talk
and
to
mentor
with
kids.
It's
not
necessarily
a
call
for
service,
but
we
know
the
impact
that
we
have
on
kids
when
we
show
up-
and
I
know
there's
this
big
controversy
about
uniforms
and
these
kind
of
things
and
trust
me-
we
hear
it-
we
get
it.
O
O
I
don't
know
I
don't
know,
that's
a
decision
for
the
board
and
the
council
to
make,
but
I
would
say
that
there
is
this
big
thing
about
kids
at
the
younger
age:
that's
attracted
to
police
officers
and
uniforms
now,
maybe
not
so
much
at
the
high
school,
which
is
why
we
are
looking
to
change
that
appearance
and
that
aggressiveness.
O
Because
again,
if
we
can't
go
out
there
and
be
helpful,
then
why
are
we
on
the
campus?
So
now
I
get
the
phone
call,
the
first
phone
call:
the
phone
call
might
come
from
crittenden,
it
might
come
from
graham
okay
officer
kearns.
I
need
you
over
here.
We
got
a
situation.
We
got
some
bullying
going
on
on
the
phones.
Okay,
I'm
heading
over
in
the
car
move
to
the
next
school;
okay.
So,
what's
going
on
principal's
over
here
saying,
okay
little
susie
has
been
getting
harassed
by
phone
calls
from
another
another
student.
O
So
we
deal
with
that
because
there's
a
criminal
aspect
to
that
cyber
bullying
right
harassing,
so
that
involves
a
school
resource
officer.
Does
it
involve
an
arrest?
No
it
doesn't.
It
will
involve
the
talking
to
the
student,
letting
them
understand
hey.
This
is
against
the
law.
It's
bullying!
It
has
a
negative
effect
on
children.
So
then
I
answer.
O
Then
I'm
off
oh
followings,
again,
okay,
hey!
What's
going
on!
Hey!
Did
you
remember
you
had
a
book
reading
today,
over
at
bob
yep
sure
did
on
my
way
on
my
on
my
calendar.
So
now
I'm
off
to
bob
and
I'm
doing
some
book
reading
finished
my
book
reading
above
and
now
we're
talking
about
it's
probably
about
11
30..
So
now,
I'm
off
to
lunchtime
so
I
like
to
eat
lunch,
sometimes
on
the
campus,
but
the
campus
food's,
not
that
good.
O
Unless
you
go
to
saint
francis
saint
francis,
has
excellent
food
because
you
know
they
have
chefs.
So
we
like
to
spend
our
time.
Sometimes
we
go
to
the
police
station.
Have
our
lunch
done?
Okay,
now
30
minute
lunch
phone
call
again:
okay,
the
high
school
just
called
hey.
Can
you
come
on
campus?
We
kind
of
got
some.
We
got
some
gang
colors
going
on
over
here.
It's
the
same
group
of
kids.
O
We
just
kind
of
want
you
to
be
a
presence
out
here,
heading
back
to
the
high
school
okay
on
the
way
to
high
school.
Now
school
is
out
it's
three
o'clock
or
two
o'clock.
Now,
hey
officer
kearns.
We
just
got
a
complaint
from
the
the
neighborhood
that
this,
the
kids
as
they're
leaving
school
they're,
speeding
down
the
neighborhood,
and
this
is
ridiculous.
O
We
need
something
done
about
it,
so
I'll
take
45
minutes,
30,
30,
45
minutes
sit
on
the
corner
and
I
do
traffic
traffic
control
in
the
neighborhood
by
that
time,
it's
time
to
get
back
to
the
police
department.
I
any
kind
of
reports
that
I
took.
I
got
to
finish
those
reports
now
we're
talking
about
3,
30,
4
o'clock,
it's
time
to
go
home
and
then
the
whole
cycle
starts
again.
O
O
We
run
several
major
programs
that
go
year
around.
One
of
those
programs
is
called
the
mountain
view
boxing
the
mountain
view
pal
boxing.
It
was
started
in
2008,
it's
really
for
middle
school,
kids
and
high
school
kids.
It
teaches
team
building,
skills,
skills,
now
mountain
view
boxing,
you
don't
have
to
compete
in
boxing
and
some
people
say
well,
isn't
that
violent
well
yeah?
It
is
not
going
to
sugarcoat
it,
it
can
be,
but
that's
not
what
we're
teaching
we're,
not
teaching
violence,
we're
teaching
team
building
skills,
we're
teaching
discipline,
we're
teaching.
O
You
know
how
do
you
how
to
do
something
and
stick
with
it
and
better
yourself.
In
our
mountain
view,
boxing
program,
the
majority
of
the
students
that
come
to
that
program
are
females.
I'd
probably
say
right
now
before
covet.
Our
enlistment
was
about
80
females,
20,
males,
okay,
because
these
these
girls
that
come
in
they
want
something
different.
They
want
something
that
they
can
respond
to.
They
want
something
that
makes
them
a
part
of
a
team,
an
accomplishment
and
that's
what
our
boxing
program
does.
O
O
Chief
bozell
chief
bullseye
started
his
career
as
an
explorer
and
he
found
something
in
it.
He
said
I
want
to
do
my
part
I
want
to
serve.
He
went
through
the
ranks,
he
became
a
chief
and
then
he
retired,
but
does
that
happen
with
all
of
our
kids?
No,
some
of
them
come
for
the
public
service
of
it
because
they
need
it
for
school.
Some
of
them
come
just
to
learn
about
what
we
do
and
it's
it's
it's
a
membership.
O
It's
a
if
you
really
want
to
learn
about
as
a
young
person
about
what
your
tax
dollars
is
paying
for
and
your
police,
then
the
mountain
view
explorer
program
is
what
that's
about.
O
Then
we
have
the
dreams
and
futures
program.
The
dreams
and
futures
program
is
our
summer
program
was
created
by
that
name.
I
mentioned
before
bill
crawford
him
bill
and
other
officers
created
this
program
several
decades
ago.
I
think
the
dreams
and
futures
program
is
going
on
25
years,
25
or
26
years.
O
It
was
created
as
a
originally
as
a
gang
prevention
program.
It's
a
two-week
program
that
caters
to
third
and
fourth
graders,
I'm
sorry,
fourth
and
fifth,
graders
and
sixth
and
seventh
graders.
So
your
grade
school
up
to
your
middle
school,
we
take
them
over
to
mountain
view,
high
school,
and
we
do
we
go
on
field
trips.
We
talk
about
nutrition,
we
talk.
We
we
do
team
building
exercises,
we
do
swimming,
we
feed
them.
We
do.
We
spend
a
ton
of
money
on
kids
and
these
programs
are
free
to
the
kids.
O
They're
they're
basically
exist
through
donations
that
we
get
throughout
the
year
from
the
community,
from
our
from
the
different
collaborations
we
have
with
the
high
schools
and
with
challenge
team
and
even
with
our
kiwanis
all
of
these
companies
collaborate
with
us,
because
they
have
a
a
calling
for
working
with
kids
and
and
and
uplifting
kids.
In
our
community-
and
so
we
take
these
kids
there
as
a
matter
of
fact,
dreams
and
futures
start
in
four
days.
O
O
O
But
I
would
invite
anyone
from
the
board
to
come
out
and
take
a
look
at
our
program.
We're
there
monday,
wednesdays
and
fridays.
Tuesdays
and
thursdays
are
field
trip
days,
and
so
we're
not
on
the
campus
during
those
days.
But
if
you
want
to
come
out
on
a
monday,
wednesday
or
friday
between
eight
o'clock,
I'm
sorry
8,
30
and
4
o'clock
and
take
a
look
at
our
program.
O
I
think
you
could
seeing
is
believing,
and
then
we
have
one
of
our
biggest
programs
that
we
run
throughout
the
year
where
we
are
servicing
anywhere
from
2000
to
2500.
Kids
is
the
cops
that
care
program.
That
program
was
started
back
in
2002
by
officer
cooper
officer.
Cooper
was
an
sro.
O
This
concept
of,
I
think
it's
from
the
schools
to
the
prison.
That's
a
foreign
concept
in
the
city
of
mountain
view.
In
the
last
three
years,
2017
2018
2019
there
were
six
arrests
made
on
our
campuses.
O
O
O
O
O
We
got
an
officer
that
just
left
three
years
ago,
who
did
eight
years,
because
these
officers
believe
and
they
buy
into
what
we
are
teaching
mentorship
education
and
to
to
get
our
kids
to
a
point
where
they
can
be
be
whatever
they
want
and
do
whatever
they
want,
and
so
that
kind
of
that's
going
to
bring
me
to
the
end
of
my
presentation.
I'd
like
to
leave
some
time
for
questions.
I
am
more
than
happy
to
answer
all
the
questions.
O
My
captain
is
here
with
me
tonight,
captain
canfield,
and
they
asked
the
questions
that
I
can't
answer
I'll.
Let
him
answer,
and
so
that
concludes
my
part
of
it
and
then
I'll
bring
back
on
mr
gaines
and
then
he'll
and
he'll
take
it
from
there.
Mr
gaines.
D
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
Sergeant,
kearns
members
of
the
psab
you've
you've
heard
from
sergeant
kearns
about
the
sro
program,
and
you
also
noticed
a
good
amount
of
information
included
in
the
staff
report.
D
We
provided
information
on
the
background
of
the
sro
program.
The
staffing
structure
sergeant
kearns,
went
in
depth
about
what
his
day-to-day
life
as
an
sro
officer
is.
We
discussed
sro
programs.
The
staff
report
mentions
the
sro
budget,
but
this
is
one
perspective
about
the
sro
program.
D
There's
there's
other
areas
that
you
all
may
wish
to
explore,
and,
and
that
is
the
recommendation
that
we
have
for
you
to
discuss
elements
that
you'd
like
to
potentially
further
explore
as
well
as
ask
any
questions
of
sergeant
kearns,
while
he's
here
or
captain
canfield
or
myself,
if
it's
about
process,
but
then
we
also
recommend
that
you
all
form
a
three-member
subcommittee
to
lead
any
efforts
and
to
to
lead
this
exploration
as
a.
D
We
won't
be
able
to
make
much
progress
if
we're
going
to
only
discuss
these
items
at
these
meetings,
a
subcommittee
that
is
not
consistent
of
a
quorum,
you
know
three
members
or
less
would
be
able
to
meet
offline
along
with
staff
support
to
further
discuss
this.
So
we
ask
you
all
to
let
us
know
any
questions
that
you
may
have,
as
well
as
discuss
things
you'd
like
to
further
explore
and
to
form
a
subcommittee
and
with
that.
D
That
concludes
our
presentation,
and
I
will
ask
sgt
kern
to
stop
sharing
a
screen
and
we'll
pass
it
back
to
chair
ir.
B
Thank
you,
mr
gaines
sergeant
kearns.
We
appreciate
this
presentation.
I
would
like
to
now
open
it
up
to
psab
members
for
any
questions
for
either
mr
gaines
or
sergeant
kearns
member
wang.
Would
you
like
to
go
ahead.
P
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
sergeant,
kearns.
I
have
a
few
questions.
I'm
just
gonna
say
them
now
that
you
can
answer
like
in
order.
So
could
you
tell
us
more
about
the
selection
process
for
srs
and
kind
of
what
qualifications
they
need
to
have
and
like
who's
chosen
as
well?
As
you
mentioned
that
you
kind
of
like
in
the
beginning
of
the
day
you
go
through
the
calls
that
happen
during
the
night,
including
mental
health
calls.
P
So
I'm
wondering
what
you
guys
do
to
follow
up
on
these
calls
or,
if
you
do
at
all.
Thank
you.
O
Absolutely
I'll
start
with
the
last
question
about
the
mental
health
call,
so
we
work
very
close
with
the
staff
there.
The
student
services
coordinator,
as
well
as
chat
members
and
what
we've
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
year
of
the
covet,
is
when
we
get
these
calls.
O
So
so
staff
cannot
go,
they
don't
have
the
capacity
or
do
is
it
in
their
job
description
to
go,
do
home
visits
and
so
anytime
a
kid
has
an
issue
at
school,
whether
it's
because
of
a
criminal
nature
or
if
it's
health
reasons
or
mental
health,
they
they
get
the
help
through
uplift
and
then
we
do
follow
up
with
those
kids.
Now
we're
not
clinicians,
but
we
let
clinicians
do
clinician
work.
O
But
if
it's
a
kid
that
I
know
or
even
if
I
don't
know,
then
I'm
going
to
show
up
and
I'm
going
to
give
any
kind
of
support
that
I
can
to
that
kid,
and
sometimes
it's
just
showing
up
saying:
hey
buddy,
I'm
here:
what
can
we
do
for
you
and
sometimes
it's
just
talking,
and
sometimes
it's
it's
nothing.
Today,
officer
perms,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
I'm
on
my
medicine,
taking
my
medicine,
I'm
going
to
my
appointments
and
everything
is
fine
and
then
I
might
show
up
another
week
later
to
find
out
hey.
O
How
are
you
doing
so?
These
are
what
we
call
like
welfare
checks.
Pretty
much
about
the
first
question,
the
the
selection
process,
the
selection
process
is
an
announcement,
comes
out
from
the
chief
when
there's
an
opening
in
this
unit,
and
you
have
to
you,
go
through
a
board.
O
O
O
Well,
you
gotta,
like
kids,
you
gotta
be
a
mentor.
You've
gotta,
you
gotta
show
that
you
have
the
capacity
to
deal
with
a
child
that
you
have
a
a
wanting
to
do.
This
job,
because
it's
very
different
from
any
other
position
in
the
police
department,
whether
it
be
a
detective
whether
it
be
a
motor
officer
or
even
a
supervisor,
these
type
of
jobs.
You
have
to
have
the
capacity
to
get
down
and
speak
with
kids
and
understand
kids
and
have
the
patience
to
deal
with
the
kid.
O
So
if
you
can't
exhibit
those
those
type
of
abilities,
you're
not
going
to
be
chosen,
there's
been
times
where
it's
opened
up
and
there
hasn't
been
an
officer
chosen
because
the
chief
and
the
staff
and
the
captain,
the
lieutenants,
don't
feel
that
that
officer
has
what
it
takes
to
do
that
job.
It's
that
important
to
put
the
right
person
in
the
right
job,
especially
when
it
comes
to
an
sro
did
I
I
think
there
was
a
there
was
a
third
question
there
remember
wang
did
I
answer
all
your
questions.
I'm
sorry.
P
No,
there
wasn't
a
third
question,
but
when
you
were
talking,
I
just
kind
of
thought
of
something.
So
do
you
do
just
in
terms
of
the
mental
health
follow-up,
like
housecall
welfare
checks?
Do
you
do
those
in
addition
to
uplift,
or
does
uplift
only
immediately
respond,
and
then
you
guys
do
the
follow-up
effort.
O
So
then
we
as
a
unit
talk
about
the
kid
do
we
know
the
kid
do
we
know
about
any
issues
with
the
kid
yes
or
no,
and
then
we
as
a
team,
will
go
out
and
visit
the
kid
to
say,
hey
and
visit
the
parents.
What
can
we
do?
Where
are
your
school
resource
officers?
We
understand
this
has
happened
again,
we're
not
clinicians,
but
we're
just
people
who
are
concerned,
because
this
is
a
child
and
they're,
obviously
going
to
through
some
things.
So
we
are
not
part
of
uplift
uplift
response.
They
do
their
thing.
O
A
K
Thank
you
cherry.
Thank
you
sergeant,
kearns,
for
your
extensive
presentation.
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
you,
the
first
one
being.
O
O
I
went
to
san
francisco
and
it
was
put
on
by
the
san
francisco
police
department,
and
that
was
a
long
time
ago,
and
so
it
just
depends
on
what
type
of
training
we
do.
We
also
have
to
go
because
we
teach
there.
We
have
to
go
to
a
two-week,
dare
training
school,
to
learn,
how
to
teach
kids
and
how
to
run
a
classroom
and
how
kids
learn
and
how
they
respond
and
so
and
then
there's
the
on-the-job
training.
O
So,
like
I
said,
like
I
mentioned
bill
crawford,
he
mentored
me
into
my
position
and
bill
crawford.
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
this,
but
bill
clark
was
an
sro
for
24
years,
24
years,
that's
what
he
did
and
so
there's
nothing
like
homegrown,
house-grown
mentoring,
to
get
officers
up
to
speed
about
what
the
expectation
is
and
what
the
history
is
for
that
department
and,
most
importantly,
what
the
expectation
is
when
you
take
on
a
role
as
an
sro.
K
Thank
you.
My
second
question
is,
I
think
we
may
have
a
different
understanding
of
this
term
and
what
is
your
understanding
of
the
school
to
prison
pipeline.
O
So
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
remember
tang,
that's
a
foreign
concept
to
me.
I
only
heard
about
that
when
one
of
my
admin
mentioned
it
because
they
heard
it
in
a
cohort
so
from
my
understanding
is
school,
resource
officers
are
on
campuses
and
they're
arresting
kids
and
those
kids
are
ending
up
in
the
juvenile
probation
system
and
from
the
juvenile
probation
system.
O
They
are
not
giving
they're
not
given
the
resources
they
need
to
rebuild
rehabilitate
themselves,
and
so
from
there
it's
just
a
this
is
a
revolving
door
to
the
point
where
they
become
adults:
they're
not
getting
the
resources
they
need,
and
so
they
go
from
school
to
prison
and
that's
facilitated.
O
So
I
understand
because
officers
are
on
campus
and
they're
arresting
kids.
That's
my
understanding.
What
this
school
to
prison
pipeline
is
and
again
it
was
a
foreign
concept
to
me,
because
that
is
just
not
what
we
do.
We,
you
know,
as
the
staff
show
you,
I
think
there
were
six
arrests
in
three
years.
O
So
that's
what
I
understand
it
to
be.
I
don't
know
somebody
else
might
have
a
better
definition
of
it.
But
again
it's
a
new
concept
to
me
because
I
just
never
heard
of
it,
not
in
mountain
view.
K
Well,
I
guess
just
to
clarify
the
term
for
yourself
working
with
children
and
from
somebody
who
has
a
career
working
working
with
children
as
well.
The
school-to-prison
pipeline
is
not
just
involving
police
officers,
it's
all
of
the
adults
in
a
child
system
and
how
the
exclusion
of
children
in
a
classroom
with
whether
they're
excluded,
because
they
were
you,
know,
goofing
off
they're
talking
a
little
too
loud.
Things
like
that.
K
It
starts
preparing
them
for
being
in
prison
because
they're
purposely
being
excluded
from
you
know,
society
aka
the
classroom
so
just
to
impart
some
knowledge
as
well.
I.
E
Hello,
lloyd,.
E
My
question
is
you're
talk
you
mentioned
that
we
could.
We
could
go
and
watch
you
for
this
two-week
of
on-campus
mentoring
and
you
said
june
28th
for
the
next
two
weeks
from
8
30
to
4
o'clock.
But
you
didn't
say
where
we
could
go.
O
I'm
sorry
it's
it's
held
at
the
mountain
view:
high
school
campus,
okay!
Now,
when
you
show
up
there,
you
got
to
be
careful
because
this
it's
under
construction,
but
you
any
staff
person
will
be
able
to
direct
you
to
where
our
camp
is.
C
Okay,
maybe
we
can,
can
you
give
me
the.
C
Member
bernowski,
perhaps
we
can
determine
offline
or
now
who
would
like
to
attend,
and
then
we
can
communicate
a
method
and
a
schedule
offline
to
figure
out
what
works
best
for
everyone.
But
that's.
B
You
vice
chair,
frank,
you
have
your
hand
up.
M
Yes,
ma'am
so
lloyd,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
remember,
we've
had
a
couple
of
interactions
through
the
years.
I
wanted
to
sort
of
pass
on
that.
In
my
experience
in
florida,
the
officers
there
wear
khakis
and
polos
to
work
in
the
schools,
and
I
think
it's
generally
well
received
in
that
community.
I
would
just
offer
one
concern
that
in
orlando
I
think
they
have
like
743
sworn
officers.
M
I
know
that
you
guys
can
think
about
that,
but
that
would
just
be
my
one
concern
to
consider
with
that
with
that
decision
in
in
our
community,
and
I
agree
that
the
the
younger
kids
seem
to
really
like
the
the
uniforms,
at
least
in
my
experience
and
it's
the
older
kids
that
are
a
little
a
little
less
enthused
by
the
uniform
and
then
a
couple
other
things.
M
I
wanted
to
sort
of
make
sure
that
you
clarify
that
your
day
doesn't
actually
end
at
5
pm
all
the
time,
because
I
have
personally
had
occasion
to
reach
out
to
nsro
to
do
a
welfare
check
on
a
child
that
I
was
associated
with
after
hours,
and
that
officer
was
also
row
and
she
brought
her
little
self
right
back
to
town
and
visited
that
child
that
night,
and
that
is
a
thing
that
you
guys
do,
and
sometimes
it's
maybe
not
necessarily
all
that
often.
M
But
it
is
an
important
feature
of
the
work
that
you
guys
are
able
to
do,
because
those
kids
felt
like
somebody
was
there
for
them,
even
though
they
may
not
always
need
something
when
you
guys
get
there.
And
another
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
is
through
the
mvpdx
program.
You
guys
talked
about
the
santa
clara
da
talked
about
how
your
relationship
with
that
office
is
often
where
the
the
the
diversion
comes
for
the
child.
M
Who's
found
themselves
in
a
little
bit
of
trouble,
and
this
is
key
because
some
of
the
kids
who
you
know
who
get
into
trouble,
they
don't
have
families
who
can
afford
lawyers.
They
don't
have
families
who
can
afford
all
of
the
things
associated
with
defending
themselves
from
a
crime
and
if
you
guys
were
able
to
sort
of
do
some
kind
of
intervention
because
of
your
relationship
with
the
da's
office.
M
That's
not
a
skill
that
a
lot
of
other
teams
would
have
it's
not
a
relationship
that
a
lot
of
other
teams
would
have,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
important
part
of
of
the
benefits
that
the
sro
program
offers
to
kids
that
are
able
to
be
saved
from
just
you
know,
sometimes
getting
into
trouble
through
difficult
circumstances
and
a
lot
of
those
difficult
circumstances
are
things
that
you
guys
have
a
lot
of
insight
in
which
is
the
the
influences
of
gangs
and
other
criminal
elements
that
the
kids,
these
kids,
who
are
you
know
who
are
already
struggling
because
their
parents
are
just
busy
working
or
they
come
in
from
single-parent
families
or
they're
having
socio-economic
struggles.
M
Those
are
influences
that
are
very
real
to
those
kids
and
having
mentors
such
as
yourselves
through
the
pal
program
and
the
other
programs.
Those
all
happen
to
be
part
of
what
makes
the
program
so
successful.
Just
in
this
city-
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
comment
on
a
couple
of
those
things,
thanks.
O
Absolutely
our
relationship
with
the
da's
office
is
paramount
to
diversion
so
so
I
didn't,
I
didn't
get
to
talk
about
what
happens
when
we
go
on
to
a
school
campus.
Let's
say
a
kid
brings
a
knife
onto
campus:
let's.
L
O
They
went
camping
the
weekend
and
and
they
because
they
took
a
knife
with
them
and
they're
doing
camping
stuff
and
then
that
that
knife
ended
up
true
story
by
the
way
that
knife
ended
up
in
the
backpack
and
showed
up
at
school.
School
has
no
tolerance,
zero
weapons
gains
violence,
no
tolerance,
call
the
police
expelled
or
expulsion
depending
on.
If
it
was
a
weapon
or
not,
we
don't
get
involved
in
school
decisions,
that's
a
school
decision,
but
the
school
does
ask
for
our
opinion
in
the
matter.
O
So
what
happens
in
that
situation
is
we'll
show
up
we'll
bring
the
kid
in
we'll
talk
to
the
kid
we
bring
the
parents
in
we
talk
to
the
parent,
we
talk
to
the
administrator.
We
do
a
pow-wow.
What
is
the
best
outcome
for
this
kid?
What
is
the
diversion
that
we
need
to
do
here?
Because
we
don't
want
to
put
this
kid
in
juvenile
hall.
O
O
O
Oh,
we
will
have
our
equipment
with
us
that
ain't,
that's
not
changing.
There
will
be
equipment.
The
question
is:
can
the
kids
see
the
equipment?
O
O
It's
just
not
in
their
face
so
that
if
they
want
to
walk
up
to
me
and
say,
hey
officer,
kearns
and
hey,
what's
going
on,
let's
go
get
some
lunch
right
and
that
barrier
is
just
gone
and
this
is
experimental.
We
don't
have
all
the
answers,
we
don't
know,
but
we're
going
to
try
it
and
see
what
what
happens
so.
O
Vice
chair
frank,
I
really
appreciate
your
your
comments,
because
it's
folks,
like
yourself
that
who
can
look
at
both
sides
of
this
thing
and
then
and
have
a
conversation
and
that's
what
we
want
to
do.
We
want
to
have
a
conversation.
O
G
Yeah,
you
don't
know
what
wisdom
am
I
on
mute?
Oh,
so,
can
I
make
a
a
comment,
or
should
this
be
in
support
of
this
program,
or
should
we
do
that
in
a
subcommittee?
G
Basically
like
yeah,
I'm
I'm
a
beneficiary
of
a
juvenile
diversion
program
and
it's
nice
to
hear
that
you're
working
with
the
prosecutor,
prosecution
or
the
district
attorney's
office
to
try
and
prevent
like
a
person's
record
from
following
them?
You
know
the
rest
of
their
lives.
You.
G
G
G
L
Oh
absolutely,
no
worries.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
couple
of
things
I
want
to
say
you
know
to
follow
up
on.
Remember,
langton's
what
he
just
said.
It
really
helped
working
with
the
kids
in
the
middle
school
and
high
school
and
graham
middle
school.
As
a
coach
soccer
coach,
where
I
was
able
to
make
sure
that
kids
were
focused
and
then
when
we
needed
help,
we
had
the
support
of
the
sros
to
keep
the
kids
in
line
and
not
once
do
we
have
a
problem.
L
We
had
a
couple
of
rumblings,
but
that
was
all
taken
care
of.
So
now
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
here.
There
were
four,
but
thank
you,
member
bro
dusky,
for
asking
that
it's
going
to
be
held,
that's
good!
Now,
the
during
the
pandemic.
How
did
you
work
with
the
kids
who
had
problems?
L
O
Absolutely
so,
like
I
mentioned
earlier
in
my
report,
staff
don't
have
the
capacity
to
to
go
deal
with
kids.
So
during
the
pandemic
we're
twofold,
we
were
used
by
the
school
to
go
and
welfare
check
welfare
check,
kids
that
didn't
that
didn't
log
on
or
there
was
a
situation
where
a
kid
got
pulled
off
of
a
chair
or
fell
off
of
a
chair
during
a
class,
and
the
teacher
was
like.
O
Oh,
my
gosh
is
that
violence
and
it
went
to
a
cps
report,
see
fierce
came
to
the
police
department,
so
we
went
over
there.
We
talked
to
the
parents,
and
you
know
it.
It
takes
an
sro
to
do
that,
because
I
tell
you
what,
if
the
police
came
to
my
house,
because
my
kid
fell
off
a
chair
and
was
being
accusing
me
of
the
no?
O
No,
no
that
wasn't
happening
so
it
takes
a
a
special
person
to
be
able
to
go
in
and
navigate
through
that
hey
man
what's
going
on,
can
I
speak
to
a
little
susan
and
we
sit
down
we're
talking
a
little
susan?
Hey?
What
happened?
Did
you?
Oh
yeah?
I
was
playing
and
my
brother
pulled
me.
The
camera
didn't
see
the
brother
puller
off
the
chair,
so
these
are
the
kind
of
things
that,
during
a
pandemic
that
the
school
used
us
for
now.
As
far
as
our
programs,
we
went
digital
like
everyone
else.
O
We
continued
our
mentoring
program,
we
did
it
over
zoom.
We
met
with
our
kids
every
wednesday.
We
we
did
gains,
we
played
hangman,
we
played
cahoots.
We
tried
to
stay
in
the
theme
of
the
of
the
of
the
month,
so
whether
it
was
mother's
day
or
father's
day,
or
things
like
that.
That's
happening
now,
but
like
valentine's
day,
we
do
things
around
valentine's
day,
and
so
between
those
things
we
were
still
able
to
stay
connected
and
then,
of
course,
our
home
visits.
O
L
All
right,
my
next
question
sergeant
curran,
says
the
explorer
program.
Are
there
any
requirements?
The
kids
need
to
fulfill
to
qualify
for
these
programs.
O
O
If
they
pass
that
interview,
there
is
a
background
check,
because
every
person
that
has
access
to
the
police
department
has
to
be
background
once
they
finish
that
background
check,
they
can
become
a
member
of
the
post
and
the
they
just
have
to
be
between
certain
age,
14
and
21.
you,
you
should
live
in
the
city
of
mountain
view,
but
we
have
made
some
exceptions
for
that.
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
in
the
city
of
mountain
view,
and
you
have
to
go
at
some
point.
You
have
to
go
to
a
explore
academy.
O
L
My
next
question
is:
does
the
ysu
work
with
check?
I
know
you
work
with
uplift
check
is
a
very
reliable
source,
fantastic
resource
we
have
in
this
community.
We
are
thankful
to
have
it
here.
So
do
you
work
with
them
a
lot.
O
Absolutely
now,
of
course,
what
they
talk
about
with
their
what
their
students
is
confidential.
So
unless
it's
something
that
is
in
violation
of
the
law
that
we
need
to
be
brought
into,
and
that
happens
a
lot
absolutely.
O
We
know
all
the
clinicians
at
mountain
view,
high
school,
very
good
friends
of
ours,
and
so
we
100
percent
rely
on
chat,
because
what
we'll
do
when
we
come
in
and
have
a
kid,
the
first
thing
we're
saying:
hey:
have
you
talked
to
check
depending
on
what
the
issue
is?
Well,
no,
okay.
Let's
get
you!
Let's
talk
to
your
parents.
Let's
talk
about
chat,
let's
get
you
into
check
and
let's
see
if
we
can
work
it
out
there,
so
we're
gonna
advocate
for
them
and
they're
an
advocate
for
us.
L
L
D
Yes,
I
did
just
a
a
comment.
Actually
I
just
wanted
to
just
check
in
and
see
where
you
are.
I
know
this
meeting
is
scheduled
to
be
until
9
00
pm
and
we
still
have
an
open
public
comment
and
we'd
still
like
you
all
to
consider
staff's
recommendations.
So
it's
completely
up
to
you,
but
I
just
wanted
to
check
in
and
ask
where
you
are
with
that.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
if
we
could
wrap
up
within
the
next
half
an
hour,
I'd
like
to
do
that
are.
Is
there
any
members
of
the
board
who
have
a
hard
stop
or
need
to
go
or
anything?
I
don't
want
to
drag
it
on
too
long,
because
I
do
want
to
take
on
the
recommendations,
but
is
that
30
minutes
sound
reasonable.
A
P
Yes,
thank
you
just
a
final
question.
So
as
a
school
resource
officer
and
you've
talked
about
your
experience,
what
do
you
think
sros
and
ysu
could
do
to
be
better
like
what
improvements
do
you
think
could
be
made
as
an
sr
yourself
and
what
do
you?
What
do
you
need
to
do
whatever
you're
doing
better.
O
O
It
was
very
hard
for
me
to
break
those
barriers
with
kids
because
of
personal
issues,
personal
experiences-
I
just
couldn't
get
past
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
pretty
cool
right.
I
you
know
I
come
across,
hey
guys.
Let's,
let's
hang,
let's
do
let's
go
play
basketball.
What
do
we
do?
Yeah?
O
You
know
the
uniform,
so
I
think
I
personally,
I
think
I
have
to
applaud
my
administration
in
in
in
recognizing
that
and
hearing
what
we
have
to
say
about
that
and
hearing
what
the
cohorts
have
to
say
about
uniforms
on
the
school,
because,
just
because
you
change
the
uniform,
you
don't
change
the
person
in
the
uniform
right.
If
the
uniform
is
a
barrier
but
the
person
any
uniform
is
successful
in
what
he
does.
O
O
The
other
thing
that
I
do
believe
that
we
are
lacking
tremendously
in
our
program
is
what
we
do
at
the
high
school
high
school
is
a
different
animal
young
adults.
They
speak
their
mind.
They
know
their
mind.
They
know
what
they
want
to
do
at
least
some
of
them,
and
it's
hard
to
crack
that
through
that,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
going
to
be
doing
is
starting
a
club.
O
O
We
haven't
done
a
good
job
of
that,
but
we're
working
on
that
too.
We're
going
to
be
in
announcements
at
least
we're
going
to
try
we're
going
to
showing
up
at
assemblies
and
doing
talks
and
just
doing
face-to-faces,
hey
we're
here.
We
have
an
office
here.
This
is
our
office.
What
you
tell
us
is
confidential,
come
and
see
us
if
you
have
issues,
so
it's
really
just
being
available
and
that's
the
start,
but
we're
open
to
any
and
all
ideas.
B
So
I
have
some
questions
and
comments,
but,
like
I
did
last
time,
I'm
gonna
hold
until
after
public
comment
if
there
are
no
more
psab
questions
at
this
time.
Okay,
so
with
that,
I
will
open
up
to
public
comment.
Let
me
go
and
check
how
many
folks
have
their
hands
raised.
Give
me
a
second.
B
We
have
four
people
with
their
hands
raised,
so
in
the
interest
of
time
mr
gaines
I'd
like
to
keep
the
comments
to
two
minutes.
Please,
first
hand
raise
that.
I
see
is
miriam
c.
Please
go
ahead.
N
Right
one
thing
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
as
a
community
member
is
what
the
success
metrics
are
for
the
program.
So
if
you
you
know
what
are
the
explicitly
stated
goals,
the
sro
program
exists
to
do
x
and
then
how
do
you
measure
success
against
those
goals
because
I
think,
while
anecdotal
evidence
is
always
important,
I
was
the
one
talking
about
data
geeks
earlier,
so
I
always
like
to
see
data,
so
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful.
A
A
Dave
luther,
I
hope
I'm
saying
your
name
correctly.
Please
go
ahead.
Q
That's
exactly
correct,
thank
you,
so
I
think
it
was
only
two
minutes.
I
have
kind
of
a
few
like
just
concerns
I
heard,
and
I
think,
as
I'm
saying
this-
maybe
just
framing
them
as
things
I'd
definitely
like
to
either
hear
about
now
or
explore
or
for
the
piece
have
to
explore
further.
I
think
I
don't
know
in
situations
like
this,
I
think
who
gets
to
speak
first
has
huge
impacts
on
the
decisions
that
are
made
later.
Q
It's
the
second
meeting
of
the
psalm
and
the
first
one
that
isn't
kind
of
like
a
general
introduction.
So
I
I
definitely
felt
in
this
case,
like
this
presentation,
was
pretty
much
pr
for
the
sro
program,
kind
of
to
seemingly
just
soften
up
this
board
before
engaging
critically
with
any
issues
concerning
sros,
and
I
believe,
sergeant
currans
believes
in
his
mission.
I
believe
you
love
what
you
do.
Q
I'm
sure
bill
crawford
is
great.
I
think
me
and
other
members
of
the
public
are
really
concerned
about
the
outcomes.
Today.
I
want
to
remind
the
the
board
about
you
know
the
council
meeting,
in
which
dozens
of
students
shared
their
trauma
interacting
with
sros.
Q
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
why
we're
kind
of
centering
the
sros
today
and
not
the
public
whose
safety
we're
concerned
for
I
don't
really
want
to.
You,
know
re-traumatize
those
students,
but
you
know,
will
we
be
hearing
any
day-in-the-life
presentations
about
the
life
of
a
student
interacting
with
an
sro?
Q
I
do
have
major
concerns
about
the
uniforms.
It
sounds
like
we're
acknowledging
that
there
are
issues
we're
addressing
a
symptom
and
not
the
cause
as
expressed
changing.
The
close
does
not
necessarily
change
the
function
of
the
officer
and
actually
kind
of
think
concealing
the
equipment
is
potentially
more
harmful
and
kind
of
seems
like
a
trick.
I
think
students
need
deserve
to
know
if
sros
are
armed
or
have
stuff.
I
also
don't
know
if
the
equipment
in
this
case
actually
includes
weapons.
That
would
be
a
good
thing
to
know.
Q
So
if
we
can
answer
that,
that'd
be
great,
and
I
also
just
don't
see
why
a
lot
of
these
functions
need
to
be
fulfilled
by
police
officers.
You
know
boxing
sports
any
team
building.
I
think
if
the
mission
is
mentoring,
then
be
a
mentor.
I
don't
necessarily
think
a
resource
police
officer
needs
to
be
the
one
doing
that
so
yeah
a
couple
of
things
I'm
concerned
about
there.
I
think
also.
B
Okay,
I
I
I
think
you
may
have
reached
your
time
limit.
Mr
litgar,
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
would
like
to
call
on
celine
de
merci.
Please
go
ahead.
R
Hi
yeah,
I'm
saleem,
I'm
on
the
steering
committee
for
los
altos
for
racial
equity
and
yeah.
I
think
there
are
two
important
things
to
consider
when
you're
considering
the
sro
program
one,
there
are
the
programs
that
the
srs
spends
most
of
their
time
working
on
and
then
two
there's
a
question
of
who
should
run
the
programs.
R
I
actually
seem.
I
actually
tend
to
think
that
the
programs
are
fine
programs
like
they
make
a
lot
of
sense
like
this
welfare
trek
program
makes
sense.
You
know
at
a
prior
school
board
meeting.
I
heard
the
sro
tell
story
about
a
time
when
parents
sent
him
to
ask
their
daughter
why
her
grades
were
slipping.
R
They
weren't
sure
if
it
was
a
boyfriend
or
what
and
sergeant
kearns
learned
that
it
was
procrastination
in
social
media,
and
I
think
it's
great
that
someone
checked
up
on
on
that
daughter
to
make
sure
that
you
know
she
could
get.
You
know
her
act
together.
Academically.
R
I
just
don't
think
an
armed
cop
should
be
showing
up
to
bother
a
teenager
about
why
her
grades
are
slipping.
It
seems
like
the
sro
program
in
a
nutshell,
is
that
we
have
a
vacuum
where
teaching
should
be
and
we're
filling
it
with
police
officer,
policing,
teachers
and
behavioral
health
experts
get
years
of
training
to
do
this
sort
of
stuff,
and
we
heard
that
there
are
a
few
weeks
of
training
for
an
sro.
R
I,
I
think
that's
a
really
important
consideration.
You
should
take
into
account
separate
the
programs
from
from
who
should
do
the
programs,
because
there's
a
real
question
about
who's
the
most
qualified
to
do
these
programs.
Thank
you.
B
That
mr
mckenzie
welcome
back.
Please
go
ahead.
I
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
officer.
Kearns
for
sharing
your
story
was
really
compelling.
I
was
particularly
struck
by
your
calling
to
deal
with
children,
and
then
you
had
to
go
be
a
law
enforcement
agent
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Isn't
it
sad
that
we
as
a
society,
have
structured
and
chosen
not
to
fund
the
pathways
through
which
you
could
work
with
children
and
not
in
a
law
enforcement
capacity?
I
I
It's
the
armed
agents
of
the
state
passed
with
enforcing
laws
and
keeping
the
peace,
but
police
have
been
now
asked
to
have
take
on
a
lot
of
different
roles,
and
I
we
should
be
a
few
weeks
of
training
that
can't
match
up
for
years
and
years
of
training,
as
was
just
mentioned,
and
I
also
want
to
echo
what
was
said
earlier
about
right
now:
we're
centering
the
sros,
but
this
this
is
the
public
safety
advisory
board.
We
should
be
centering
public
when
the
kids
spoke
a
few
months
ago
at
city
council.
I
B
Okay,
I
believe,
that's
all
the
public
comment
that
we
have,
mr
luther,
mr
dimarji.
Your
hands
are
still
up,
but
since
you've
had
your
two
minutes,
I'm
assuming
that's
a
remnant
from
before.
B
M
Yes,
ma'am
as
a
black
man
who
was
raised
in
a
black
community,
specifically
a
red-lined
black
community.
The
question
about:
why
does
it
have
to
be
a
cop?
Is
one
that
is
particularly
insensitive
and
frustrating
to
me.
The
reason
why
it
has
to
be
a
cop
is
because
they
stepped
up
and
that's
the
simple
fact
of
it:
cities
don't
provide
services
for
kids
who
need
these
services.
M
If
somebody
wants
to
come
up
with
a
program
that
does
all
these
things
and
we'll
do
welfare
checks
at
nine
o'clock
at
night
and
we'll
run
youth
programs
and
sports
programs
and
mentor
these
kids
and
teach
them
things
that
their
families
can't
teach
them,
because
they're
so
busy
trying
to
pay
the
rent
cool
with
it.
Let's
go,
but
it
doesn't
exist
today,
and
so
this
is
what
we
have.
M
These
are
the
people
who
stepped
up
and
they
work
really
hard
at
it,
and
I
want
to
I'm
happy
to
be
a
part
of
finding
other
resources
so
that
we
can
figure
that
out.
If
we
want
to
have
other
resources,
let's
go:
let's
go
because
the
cops
would
be
happy
to
just
you
know,
solve
crimes
all
day.
They
love
that,
but
we're
not
giving
them
that
opportunity.
We're
asking
them
to
do
these
other
things.
We're
asking
them
to
respond
to
mental
health.
M
Calls
we're
asking
them
to
respond
to
truancy,
calls
we're
asking
them
to
respond
to
all
these
other
things
and
then
we're
mad
that
they're
doing
it,
and
that,
for
me,
is
a
particular
source
of
frustration.
K
Ahead
with
all
due
respect,
that
is
the
exact
question
that
we're
asking
is:
why
does
this
funding
have
to
come
from
the
police
department
and
it
easily
could
come
from
the
city
instead
of
the
police
department
and
that
that
is?
That
is
what
happened,
the
police
stepped
up,
but
at
the
same
time
we
are
looking
at
these
other
services
that
don't
have
to
come
from
the
police.
I
work
at
a
high
school
in
east
palo
alto
and
we
did
all
these
things.
We
did
welfare
checks,
we
provide
counseling,
we
provide
after
school
activities.
K
We
provide
all
of
those
programs
that
you
are
asking
about
and
we
don't
need
the
police
in
order
to
do
that,
and
why
can't
we
do
that
here
in
mountain
view,
where
we
are
so
well
funded,
is
my
question
here
and
I
think
that
you
have
great
valid
questions.
Those
are
all
the
questions
that
I
am
asking
as
well.
Thank.
C
G
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
eva
there's,
always
potential
for
solving
things
in
a
different
way,
but
I
I
do
think
the
position
that
mountain
view
police
department
plays
in
its
diversion
aspect
of
trying
to
get
kids
away
from
the
law
before
they
get
too
far
into
the
system,
is
a
role
that
a
civilian
person
can't
play
so
as
much
as
they
might
find.
G
You
know
a
replacement
option
for
the
school
resource
officer,
they're,
always
going
to
need
some
role.
In
my
opinion,
in
in
trying
to
divert
youth
from
you
know
the
prison,
the
pipeline,
you
know
school
to
prison
pipeline
kind
of
thing.
M
Frank
you're
on
mute.
I'm
sorry,
I
think
it
was
just
left
up.
I
just
would
say
sure
I
work
with
a
lot
of
those
kids
in
east
palo
alto.
They
play
in
my
club
and
have
for
the
last
eight
years,
so
I
know
a
fair
number
of
them
and
I
believe
that
they're,
good
kids
and
they
work
hard.
We
keep
them
in
the
basketball
gym,
that's
our
solution,
so
there
are
other
options.
M
M
You
need
somebody
who
has
a
relationship
with
the
da's
office
or
somebody
from
the
da's
office
to
deal
with
those
issues,
and
that
can't
be
a
teacher
that
can't
necessarily
be
a
civilian,
as,
as
ms
langton
said,
it
has
to
be
an
officer
and
that's
why
it's
good
for
these
folks
to
work
with
these
kids
because
they
have
this
particular
set
of
needs
and
whereas
other
wealthier
kids
might
have
a
family
attorney.
Who
can
do
that
work
for
them?
These
kids
don't
have
those
resources,
and
so
it's
a
resource.
M
B
Mr
gaines,
would
you
put
up
the
two
recommendations
that
staff
had
for
psap
or
sergeant
kearns,
I'm
not
sure
who
has
control
I'd
like
to
talk
about
those
two
things.
My
comments
will
primarily
be
about
the
first
one,
and
then
I
want
to
open
it
up.
A
B
B
So
again,
I
want
to
thank
sergeant
kearns
for
your
passion
and
your
dedication
and
for
your
service,
you've
clearly
made
a
difference
in
the
life
of
many
kids
over
your
tenure
and
mr
gaines
for
helping
bringing
bring
all
of
this
to
our
attention.
B
These
are
my
questions
that
don't
need
to
be
answered
right
now,
but
either
could
be
at
a
future
session
or
might
be
something
that
is
then
picked
up
by
the
subcommittee,
which
is
recommendation
two.
Should
we
decide
to
go
with
that
idea?
One
okay!
So
let's
do
these
things
I'd
like
to
understand
a
little
more
information
on
the
arrests,
even
though
they
were
minimal
that
were
made
the
demographics
of
those
arrests,
the
demographics
of
the
kids,
that
the
sros
in
mountain
view
serve
both
the
sros
directly
and
the
programs.
B
I
was
a
little
concerned
sergeant
kearns
when
you
talked
about
the
school
called
you
because
they
were
concerned,
there
might
be
some
gang
activity
and
they
wanted
your
presence.
How
do
you
ensure
so
again?
This
could
be
a
a
follow-up.
How
many
calls
come
from
schools
where
that's
initiating
your
presence
on
campus
versus
you're
thinking,
I'm
gonna
go
check
in
at
mountain
view
high
today,
I'd
like
to
understand
when
the
school
calls
you
and
how
do
you
deal
when
schools
aren't
really
stepping
up
to
what
they
can
do?
B
I
think
there
was
a
couple
of
comments
about
what
can
what
is
really
needed
for
police
officers
to
handle
and
when
are
educators,
kind
of
just
kind
of
expecting
you
to
do
more
when
really
they
should
be
stepping
up
more
I'd
like
to
understand
that
more
and
maybe
some
way,
some
data
behind
that.
How
many
calls
are
initiated
by
schools?
What
is
the
content
of
those
calls,
and
when
have
you
had
to
push
back
and
say?
No,
don't
call
me
for
that
right.
B
You
need
to
step
up
as
an
educator
as
an
administrator
and
take
care
of
that
yourself.
So
I'd
like
more
information
about
that,
I
would
like
to
encourage
the
youth
services
team
at
mountain
view,
high
or
mountain
high
mountain
view,
pd
before
you
go
forward
with
the
outfit
before
you
start
an
sro
club
before
you
decide
to
commute
or
besides
before
you
draft
up
how
you
want
to
communicate
more
broadly
what
it
is
that
you
do
and
the
services
you
provide.
B
Talk
to
us
talk
to
students,
talk
to
the
community,
ensure
those
that
you
are
serving
are
agreeing
with
the
ways
you're
approaching
those
things
right
have
a
you
know.
Member
wang
can
help
with
this.
Have
a
few
students
check
out
your
polo
and
your
your
khaki
outfit?
You
know
thumbs
up
thumbs
down,
you
know,
should
the
belt
be
outside?
What
are
you
carrying
I'd
like
to
know?
That,
too,
is?
B
Is
it
a
reduced
set
of
weapons
is
proposed
or
or
tools,
I
should
say,
or
the
whole
thing
I'd
love
member
wang
to
say
you
know
what
that's
not
going
to
fly
or
you
know
change
the
color
or
whatever.
This
isn't
the
fashion
parade.
Obviously,
but
I'd
love
for
the
team
to
get
feedback
before
you
push
something
out
same
with
the
sro
club
and
same
with
the
communication.
B
The
idea
of
communication
is
going
more
broadly.
Please
ask
those
who
you
are
going
to
be
served,
what
they
think
of
your
ideas
and
we'd
love
to
hear
them
too.
I
would
like
to
understand-
and
I
believe
a
public
comment
was
towards
this
end.
How
does
a
program
and
captain
can
feel
this?
Was
maybe
a
more
broader
question
for
mvpd?
How
are
programs
measured
in
terms
of
effectiveness?
B
B
What
happens
yearly
I
annually
and
specifically
in
this
context,
it's
for
sros,
but
I'd
like
to
understand
more
broadly
from
mv
for
mvpd
I'd
like
to
understand
how-
and
this
may
be
a
subcommittee
question,
but
I'd
like
to
understand
how
members
of
psap
might
be
able
to
meet
members
of
the
school
community,
whether
it's
students
or
parents
casually.
I
don't
need
students
to
come
to
this
meeting
and
talk
in
public
right.
Maybe
it's
just
a
coffee
or
an
ice
cream,
whatever
kids
are
having
boba,
whatever
kids
are
doing.
B
Having
these
days,
can
we
meet
some
folks
casually
not
and
not
as
a
group,
maybe
one
on
one
just
so
we
can
have
that
experience.
I'd
also
like
to
request
mvpd
to
advise
and
sergeant
kearns
specifically.
B
Have
you
seen
the
comment,
the
testimonials
the
specifically
the
student
testimonials
on
the
justice
vanguard
side
site
which
are
from
mvpd,
I'm
we're
not
worried
about
los
altos
high
right
here
in
this
context,
I'd
love
to
understand
your
thoughts
on
those
two
testimonials
and
get
your
perspective.
We
certainly
have
the
students
perspectives.
B
I'd
love
to
hear
your
perspective
because
they
had
some
issues
and
we'd
love
to
understand
whether
it
was
you
who
was
involved
or
one
of
the
other
officers.
What's
your
perspective
on
it
and
then
yeah
is
the
mou
public.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
Is
anyone
on
this
call
know
whether
the
mou
is
public?
Can
mr
mckenzie
see
it?
Can
the
rest
of
us
see
it.
B
Hey
mr
mckenzie,
please
drop
an
email
to
mr
gaines
and
sort
that
out.
Okay,
I
think
that's
everything
I
have
in
terms
of
follow-up
items,
I'd
like
to
invite
other
members
of
psab
to
add
to
that
in
terms
of
other
elements
to
explore
at
this
time
and
sergeant
kearns.
Thanks
for
your
patience,
I
hope
you
had
enough
paper
and
pen
for
that.
It
was
a
long
list.
I
know
I'm
curious
how
let
me
open
this
up
vice
chair,
frank,
your
hand
was
up
first,
please
go
ahead.
M
Yeah
sure
we
talked
earlier
about
just
some
of
the
success
stories
from
from
from
previous
years
and
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
kids
who
have
come
through
the
program
who
have
moved
on
to
other
parts
of
life,
both
positive
and
negative.
M
So
it's
like
it's
a
good
idea
to
present
some,
even
if
it's
just
anecdotal,
some
some
idea
of
how
the
kids
have
fared
coming
through
the
programs
and
how
the
diversions
have
have
protected
them,
as
well
as
some
of
the
kids
who
who
it
didn't
help.
I
think
that's
useful
information.
K
I'm
one
of
these
self-proclaimed
data
nerds
in
mountain
view,
so
I
would
really
love
to
see
success.
K
Metrics,
as
mentioned
before,
and
I
mean
I
guess
this
is
hard
to
do,
but
like
a
my
usual
go-to,
is
like
a
pre-survey
and
then
a
post
survey,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
easy
that
is
for
you,
as
the
ysu
officer
to
do,
but
I
mean
you
know
a
definition
of
goals
of
the
programs
and
the
definition
of
of
your
purpose
for
being
on
campus
as
well,
as
is
that
purpose,
and
is
that
goal
being
met
and
those
metrics
would
go
along
with
that
and
that's
what
I
would
like
to
see.
B
Well,
I
know
member
wang
had
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting
that
there
are
surveys
done
at
the
end
of
the
year.
We
weren't
able
to
do
that
this
time.
It
was
just
too
short
a
turnaround.
Remember
when
I
see
your
hand
up,
so
maybe
you
have
more
to
say
on
it.
P
Yes,
there
are,
there:
are
surveys
done
every
year
and
they're
not
just
at
the
end
of
the
year,
so
if
we,
if
we
do
want
to
do
that,
they
have
them
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
just
all
the
time,
so
I
think
hearing
other
student
opinions
would
also
be
very
valuable.
I'm
also
interested
in
learning
more
about
kind
of
the
more
definite
distribution
of
roles
between
mental
health
services
like
uplift
and
the
sros
and
the
da's.
I
think
it's
called
the
community
prosecution
unit.
P
I
know
the
name
was
really
weird
so
kind
of
the
distribution
of
roles
between
that
and
how
they
figure
out
like.
Where
do
you
draw
the
line
in
where?
Where
is
it?
Definitely
one
person's
job
rather
than
another's.
L
M
Yes,
ma'am.
I
just
also
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
the
schools
in
east
palo
alto,
almost
all
of
them,
have
some
really
good
programs,
and
maybe
we
should
hear
about
some
of
those.
What
what
are
those
schools?
What
are
those
teachers?
What
are
those
programs
doing
to
help
reduce
the
need
of
or
the
involvement
of
sros-
and
I
had
one
other
thing,
but
maybe
I'll
come
back
to
it
another
time
but
yeah
and
I
know
eva,
is
eager
to
share
that
information.
So.
P
When,
yes,
remember
sandy,
sorry,
just
speaking
to
kind
of
parents,
I
noticed
that
in
the
one
of
the
readings
that
was
in
the
agenda
that
we
read
before
the
meeting,
there
was
feedback
about
police
programs,
including
sros,
and
all
of
that
feedback
about
sros,
I
think
is
said
in
the
report-
was
by
parents
and
while
I
think
it
is
impera
sorry
important
to
include
the
opinions
of
parents,
I
think
definitely
value
valuing
the
sorry
valuing
the
opinions
of
students
is
higher
is
is
important
just
because,
like
as
as
a
teenager,
I
think
there
is
definitely
a
difference
in
thought
and
opinion
and
experience.
B
Okay,
all
right!
So
the
second!
I
guess
we
did
your
recommendation,
mr
gaines.
I
was
supposed
to
check
and
see
if
we
wanted
to
do
that.
Sorry,
I
just
jumped
right
in
the
second
recommendation
from
staff
is
to
form
a
three-member
subcommittee
to
lead
efforts.
I
tend
to
agree
with
mr
gaines
that
this
is
an
important
topic
and
I
think,
given
our
timeline,
it
makes
sense
to
have
a
three-member
subcommittee
to
do
maybe
meet
more
often.
B
Do
outreach
speak
to
folks
understand
some
of
the
answers
to
these
questions
that
we've
posed
and
come
back,
perhaps
with
some
preliminary
recommendations
of
how
the
program
might
evolve
in
mountain
view.
So
I
tend
to
agree
with
that.
I
wanted
to
stop
there
and
see
what
other
people
thought
about
having
a
subcommittee
vice
chair,
frank.
M
Yeah,
just
on
one
more
note
on
the
last
part
of
this,
which
is
that,
apparently,
we
can
request
some
insight
from
the
school
district
regarding
the
feedback
that
that
they're
getting
from
the
students
through
official
channels.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that.
B
Okay,
remember,
langton,.
G
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
say
if
we
move
forward
on
the
subcommittee,
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
try
and
make
it
like.
I
think
I'm
already
have
a
bias
of
a
little
bit
pro
sro,
so
I
think
we
would
want
to
balance
the
committee
out
with
you
know
somebody
that
might
be
leaning
more
in
the
opposition.
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
just
take
some
care
and
how
we
select
those
people.
L
I
like
the
idea
that
it's
a
good
idea
to
because
you're
you're
right
with
the
limited
timeline
we
have
we
need
to
get
on
this
and
to
form
a
three-person
team
would
be
fantastic
and
I
would
be
happy
to
jump
in
there
if
you
need
me.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank.
P
B
Let
me
see,
if
any
other
him
vice
chair,
frank.
Could
you
have
an
additional
comment.
B
Thank
you,
okay.
I
have
some
thoughts
about
who
might
be
on
this
subcommittee,
so
I'm
just
gonna
voice
them
and
we
can
talk.
I
agree
with
member
langton
that
you
know
we.
We
definitely
want
diverse
opinions
and,
as
I
look
at
this
committee,
I
really
appreciate
all
of
you
for
the
opinions
you
bring
for
this
particular
subcommittee.
B
What
strikes
me
as
it
might
be
an
interesting
team
is
member
tang
as
a
school
teacher
and
as
a
member
of
mv
sepra,
and
I
think
that's
a
very
speci,
interesting
and
important
perspective
to
bring
to
this.
I
would
also
think
about
member
wang.
As
a
student,
the
only
current
high
school
student
on
this
board.
I
think
that
your
your
perspective
is
really
really
incredibly
important,
so
I
would
think
that,
and
the
third
member
I'm
using
about
is
member
brodowski
for
her
links
to
the
local
latinx
community.
B
So
to
me
these
three
would
be
an
amazing
subcommittee,
but
I
am
open
to
feedback
right
now
on
my
suggestions.
Vice
chair,
frank,.
M
I'm
okay
with
that,
I
I,
I
definitely
feel
that
remember.
Tang
should
be
involved
just
for
for
balance,
I'm
good
with
with
bordowski
as
well.
My
musing
comes
from
wang
because
I
also
very
much
like
the
leadership
of
of
cal,
and
I
think
both
of
them
have
some
great
experiences
to
to
share
that
would
be
mine.
G
So
yeah,
I
definitely
I
somewhat
agree
with
cleve.
I
definitely
like
joan,
I
think,
she's
a
very
neutral
arbiter
and
I
oh
you
know
I
don't
know
yeah
just
just
my
my
predator
and
yeah,
I'm
I'm
on
the
fence
of
both
the
both
eva
and
having
like
two
people
with
a
school
background.
G
I
I
don't
know
that's
just
my
my
musing,
I
guess
is,
it
seems
very
weighted
kind
of
kind
of
even
joan,
I
think,
has
an
educational
background.
It's
very
heavily
weighted
to
like
people
with
no
yeah.
Okay.
Maybe
I
was
wrong
on
that.
So
I
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
completely
opposed
to
it.
I
I
just
think
maybe
one
of
the
three
yeah
it
might
do
well
to
have.
I
don't
know
some
other
diversity
component
to
it,
but
that's
my
I
don't.
B
Know,
well
I
mean
I
can
I
can
use
my
powers
and
appoint
this
council,
but
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
have
everyone
invested
in
this.
We
should
probably
hear
from
the
people
that
I
just
sort
of
nominated
member
wang.
Please
go
ahead.
P
Thank
you
so,
just
in
terms
of
you
know
having
people
with
backgrounds,
in
education
and
in
schools,
I
actually
think
that
might
be
the
most
important
thing,
especially
since
we
are
talking
about
school
resource
officers,
so
that
affects
students
that
affects
teachers
and
that
does
affect
the
rest
of
the
community
as
well,
but
mainly
the
people
who
are
there
every
day,
who
are
the
students
and
the
teachers.
P
So
I
do
think
it
is
very
important
to
have
a
student
perspective,
and
that
is
that
that's
what
people
are
calling
for
for
students
to
have
you
know
the
type
of
support
they
need,
whether
that
be
with
sros
or
not
to
to
get
the
best
education
they
possibly
could
have,
and
I
think,
since
we're
sharing
our
perspectives
on
sros,
I
don't.
P
B
E
You
thank
you.
Yes,
I
think
both
eva
and
jeanette
are
are
obvious
choices.
They
have
to
be
there,
but
then
I
think
we
need
somebody
more
invested
on
on
the
side
of
the
police
and
I
would
think
that
either
derek
or
cleve
would
be
better
for
that
than
I
am.
B
What
so
joan
I
was,
I
was
thinking
of
you
because
of
your
of
everyone
on
this
board.
You
have
the
closest
ties
to
the
hispanic
community
that
whose
students
whose
children
are
probably
we
don't
have
the
information
in
front
of
us,
but
my
guess
is,
are
most
impacted
by
the
sro
program.
E
Well,
I
I
read
through
the
the
comments
that
that
we
had
on
the
that
we
had
to
read
for
tonight
and
I
didn't
see
a
a
huge
need
for
somebody
to
represent
the
latino
community
and
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that.
That's
that's
such
an
issue
here,
but.
B
B
We're
at
the
point
of
drafting
at
the
point
we
we
did
have
a
volunteer.
An
alternate
volunteer
in
member
sandu.
Is
that
something
that
you
would
still
be
interested.
A
L
Sandu,
oh
yes,
thank
you.
Yes,
I
would
be
interested
in
because
I'm
trying
to
look
at
both
sides
of
it.
Yes,
I
did
praise
the
sros
today,
but
I
have
been
dealing
with
issues
with
students
when
I
was
coaching
and
I
still
I'm
still
coaching
and
I
try
to
take
an
objective
view
if
nobody
else
is
wants
to
do
it,
but
remember
frank:
I
mean
right
with
jeffrink
and
mr
langton
I'll
be
happy
to
do
it.
M
So
for
me
I
have
a
student
in
mountain
view,
high
school
right
now,
and
I
wouldn't
want
him
to
be
involved
in
this.
So
I
struggle
with
having
someone
directly
associated
with
it
being
in
this
position,
but
I
see
the
other
side
of
it
as
well.
I'm
conflicted
there
other
than
that.
I
you
know
I
I
like
sao.
I
definitely
like
miss
tang
being
involved
in
mineral
for
the
third.
B
Okay,
remember
langton.
Does
this
ease
some
of
your
concerns.
G
Yeah
I
I
I
like
that
choice
yeah,
I
I
feel
it
yeah.
It
presents
a
little
more
of
a
balanced
board.
Okay.
Well,
so
I
can't
I'm
not
gonna,
be
like
yeah.
A
K
I'm
honored,
thank
you.
I
also
advocate
for
member
wang
to
be
on.
The
subcommittee,
as
she
is
closest
to
and
is,
most
impacted,
sorry
is
most
impacted
and
is
closest
to
the
most
impacted
by
this
program.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
so
with
that,
I
would
recommend
then-
or
I
don't
know,
mr
gaines,
what
am
I
supposed
to
say?
I
hear
by
a
point.
B
But
I
would
very
very
much
like
to
have
miss
wang,
miss
tang,
sorry,
member
wang,
member
tang.
Sorry,
it's
it's
late!
I'm
getting
my
titles
mixed
up
and
member
sandu
be
the
three-member
subcommittee
that
staff
has
recommended.
D
That
is
sufficient.
You
know
you've
just
appointed
a
member
tang
and
versandu
and
member
wang
and
fantastic.
That's
that.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
I
would
encourage
the
three
of
you
to
get
with
melvin
as
quickly
as
possible,
so
that
we
could
even
see
some
baseline
thoughts
and
recommendations
at
the
july
psap
meeting
you
don't
have
to
solve
world
hunger,
but
directionally
we'd
like
to
see
where
you're
going
for
everyone
else's.
B
Understanding
of
this.
This
subcommittee
will
come
back
to
us
before
anything
is
ever
presented
to
city
council.
This
this
team
will
have
discussion,
so
it's
not
going
directly
from
subcommittee
to
council
just
in
case
anyone
had
questions
about
that.
Remember,
langton,
you're
hanging
your
hand
is
up.
G
Yeah,
so
I
was
gonna,
say:
yeah
they're,
gonna
kind
of
you
know
get
together
and
kind
of
formulate
their
opinion,
then
kind
of
bring
it
to
the
group
and
then
we'll
mull
it
over
some
more.
We.
B
Will
know?
Okay,
absolutely
there
will
be
mulling
okay.
I
hope
nobody
feels
constrict
conscripted,
but
I
thank
you
in
advance
for
your
service.
I,
with
that.
I
would
like
to
move
on
to
item
five.
B
So
we
are
now
closing
oral
communication
and
moving
to
discussion
action
items,
so
I
would
like
to
ask:
oh
no.
I
have
a
script
here.
The
next
item
is
board
staff,
comments,
questions
and
committee
reports.
No
action
will
be
taken
on
any
questions
raised
by
the
psab
at
this
time.
Do
any
psab,
members
or
staff
have
comments
or
questions?
B
L
I
I
think
we
should
really
start
working
on
the
work
plan,
hopefully
with
the
next
meeting
the
year
is
coming
to
an
end.
Almost
we
are
past
the
halfway
already
and
I
think
that
should
be
agendized
next
meeting
on
the
meeting
after
whatever
is
the
most
convenient.
Thank
you
yeah.
I.
B
Believe
I
believe
it
will
be
because
our
plan
is
to
have
that
ready
for
city
council
by
the
end
of
august.
So
okay,
member
langton,.
G
G
M
Have
a
couple
things
here,
I
would
like
to
discuss
at
some
point
in
the
future
how
the
fire
department
play
a
role
in
working
with
mental
health
issues.
M
I've
brought
this
up
with
the
mayor's
office
in
the
past,
but
these
are
folks
who
have
medical
training
already,
and
is
it
possible
to
use
their
training
to
assist
in
this
area
despite
the
the
state
legislation
that
prevents
the
city
from
having
mental
health
specialists
embedded
in
our
public
safety
departments,
I
would
also
like,
I
think,
at
some
point
to
review
and
discuss
bike
safety
in
our
city
as
kids
ride
their
bikes
to
school
and
how
that
plays
out
in
the
public
safety,
and
I
know
that
there's
some
there's
another
community
committee
that
does
look
at
this,
but
just
how
it
sort
of
works
with
public
safety
with
respect
to
students
as
well
pedestrian
safety
and
school
zones,
which
I
think
are
really
an
important
aspect
of
of
of
the
student
life
in
this
city
and
then,
of
course,
there's
already
been
some
talk
about
speed
limits
and
how
they
may
affect
public
safety
going
forward.
E
I
do
have
something
that's
been
on
my
mind
for
a
while,
since
it
was
over
a
month
ago
that
the
mountain
view
voice
reported
on
a
suit
against
the
city
by
a
guy
who
was
apparently
pulled
out
of
his
out
of
his
car
at
2
30
in
the
morning.
If
I've
got
the
my
facts
right
and
I
I
think
that
this
is
this
sort
of
thing
he's
essentially
complaining
that
there
was
police
brutality
involved
and
I
think
it's
the
sort
of
thing
we
should
be
looking
at.
E
However,
I
understand
that
we
are
not
to
look
at
this
because
there
is
a
suit
involved,
and
so
I'm
I
don't
know
if
we
can
put
it
on
the
agenda,
I
don't
know
if
we
can.
I
think
we
should
find
out
if
we
can't
look
at
it.
Who
says
we
can't
and
why
and
I'm
perfectly
open
to
if
it's
a
legislative
thing,
of
course
not,
but
I
think
we
ought
to
at
least
be
clear
why
we
can't
discuss
it
if
we
can't
and
when.
E
When
could
we
discuss
this
sort
of
thing,
because
if
it
comes
up,
the
same
sort
of
thing
comes
up
again,
our
wonderful
mountain
view
police
department,
which
I
adore
once
in
a
while,
is
going
to
have
a
a
problem,
and
I
had
I
ran
a
an
office
with
10
or
15
people
and
with
10
or
15
people.
I
had
problems
frequently
and
and
horrible
problems.
So
with
with
a
hundred
police
officers.
E
Why
aren't
we
going
to
see
some
in
mountain
view
and
I
think
that's
our
job,
so
that
is
what
I
would
like
to
put
on
the
agenda
that
we
either
discuss
this
or
find
out
why
we
can't.
B
All
right
so
discuss
the
complaints,
the
complaints
policies
and
use
of
force
policies.
It
sounds
like.
K
I
wanted
to
second
vice
chair
frank's
suggestion
about.
I
think
it
was
fire
department
and
mental
health,
also
an
exploration
of
sunnyvale's
decision
to
combine
police
and
fire
into
one
public
safety
department,
and
I
hear
rumors
that
palo
alto
is
considering
that
too.
K
A
potential
exploration
of
that
for
mountain
view
is
a
suggestion.
Okay,.
L
Remember
sander.
Yes,
I
just
forgot
one
other
item.
I
would
like
to
find
out
exactly
what
the
diversity
hiring
by
both
the
mvpd
and
the
mvfd
are.
So
how
do
they
go
about
hiring?
I
know
they
have
over
the
years
since
when
I
first
started
in
2003
as
a
human
relations
commission
from
there
to
now,
I've
seen
more
diverse
hiring,
but
what's
the
process
of
it.
So
if
we
can
hear
about
that,
that'd
be
good.
G
After
hearing
everybody
else
talk,
I
figure
I'll.
Just
put
it
out
there,
just
the
content
that
I'm
thinking
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about
down
the
road,
I'm
specifically
interested
in
kind
of
like
the
use
of
criminal
records,
driver
history,
prosecution
decisions
on
you
know
kind
of
like
the
juvenile
diversion
program
of
trying
to
like
prevent
people
from
getting
a
criminal
record,
and
just
how
often
like
a
person's
record,
is
influenced
in
a
police
officer
making
a
decision.
To
cite
so.
G
I
I,
I
think,
there's
a
kind
of
a
broad
issue
of
like
how
long
a
person's
criminal
record
follows
them
down
the
road
and
and
that
you
can't
really
erase
that
and
how
it
impacts
a
person's
life.
You
know
kind
of
moving
forward
and
you
know,
is
there
a
pipeline
to
kind
of
prison
and
never
getting
a
good
job?
And
you
know,
and
just
yeah,
I'm
just
really
curious.
G
I
know
as
a
police
officer
I
used
to
use
you
know,
I
I
get
a
person's
criminal
record,
they
respond.
He
has
10
entries
on
his
portable
patient.
You
know
he
has
25
entries
on
his
driver
history
and
that
could
impact
my
decision
to
cite
a
person
and-
and
I
just
think
that
yeah
I'm
curious
on
drilling
down
on
kind
of
that
type
of
content.
M
It's
been
just
a
couple,
other
things
sort
of
finishing
off
of
remember,
langton's
question.
I
would
also
I'm
wondering
what
the
actual
fee
schedule
is
for
citations
in
our
city
and
and
what
the
motivation
is
behind
that
this
is
specifically
driven
for
me,
because
the
state
has
just
decided
to
wave.
M
You
know
past
you,
fines
and
and
submission
fees
for
the
past
year,
so
because
of
the
of
the
pandemic,
and
it's
a
thing
that
these
fees
often
cause
people
who
are
already
struggling
to
really
get
into
more
trouble,
and
so
so
just
an
understanding
of
how
ours
are
sculpted
and
and
and
whether
or
not
that
makes
any
sense
and
just
to
ask
those
questions
and
then.
Secondly,
I
wanted
to
just
mention
the
sunnyvale
department,
the
police
department
and
the
fire
department.
M
Do
this
sort
of
switch
thing
where
they
actually
do
both
so
at
some
point,
you're
a
fireman
for
some
period
of
time,
and
then
you
move
over
to
police
department
for
some
period
of
time,
and
it's
not
necessarily
a
given
that
you
have
to
do
that,
but
they
do
do
that
they
switch
back
and
forth.
I
think
for
some
period
of
time,
and
so
it's
just
an
interesting
tidbit
about
the
department.
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
little
context
to
you
all.
First.
Thank
you
all
for
all
of
these
wonderful
ideas
of
things
that
you
would
like
to
explore,
but
I
just
caution
you
that
the
process
and
I'll
preface
it
with
this.
D
Every
item
that
you
want
to
explore
takes
time.
It
takes
time
for
us
to
discuss
the
matters
as
a
body
as
a
psab
it'll
take
we've
discussed
two
items
tonight
and
it's
taken
over
two
hours.
So
there's
that,
but
then
it
also
takes
staff
legwork
to
be
able
to
put
things
together
for
you.
So
that
is
why
we
try
to
get
you
all
to
adopt
a
work
plan
that
we
are
able
to
evaluate
and
tell
you
like.
D
So
all
these
ideas
are
appropriate
to
bring
up.
However,
they
should
be
brought
up
in
a
sense
of
these.
Are
the
things
we'd
like
to
consider
for
our
work
plan?
Not
necessarily
these
are
things
that
need
to
be
agendized
at
the
next
meeting.
So
there
should
be,
I
believe,
a
member
sandu
recommended.
He
wants
to
discuss
the
work
plan
and
share
affirmed
that
yes,
the
next
two
meetings,
we
will
likely
have
work
plan
discussions,
but
it
likely
will
not
be
20
items
on
that
work
plan.
D
There
might
be
five
items,
there
might
be
ten,
there
might
be
two
items,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
you
and
I
will
be
asking
you
all
to
prioritize
the
things
as
a
body
like
tonight,
we've
discussed
things
kind
of
individually,
but
collectively,
as
a
body
decide
how
you'd
like
to
prioritize
the
items
that
you'd
really
like
to
undertake
for
the
next
year,
and
we
will
present
that
to
the
city
council
for
them
to
approve
in
september,
because
the
ultimate
work
plan
approval
it
comes
from
council
deciding.
A
B
That
make
sense
to
everybody,
thank
goodness
for
melvin
keeping
us
in
line
all
right.
So
with
that,
are
there
any
other
comments?
I'm
checking
for
hands
raised.
Okay,
so
thank
you
all
again
for
your
time.
I
would
like
everyone
to.
I
would
like
to
request
everyone
to.
B
If
you
can,
please
attend
the
the
sro
activities
at
mountain
view.
High.
If
you
don't
attend,
you
better,
have
a
damn
good
excuse.
I
expect
all
of
you
to
go
and
check
that
out
all
right
with
that.
We
are
adjourned
have
a
good
evening.
Thank.