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Live Teleconference of the Meeting of the City of Mountain View's Rental Housing Committee.
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eight
three
six
three
any
emails
received
by
5
pm
today
were
forwarded
to
the
rental
housing
committee.
Emails
received
after
5.
Pm
will
not
be
read
during
the
meeting
but
will
be
entered
into
the
record
for
the
meeting
now.
One
thing
to
know
tonight
is
we
actually
have
interpretation
services.
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Thank
you,
chair
and
good
evening
committee
members
item.
7.1
is
a
monthly
status
report,
update
for
both
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center
and
the
rent
stabilization
program
as
a
whole.
This
will
be
the
last
one
that
we
give
monthly
they'll
go
into
a
quarterly
rotation,
starting
in
April,
which
will
be
the
update
for
quarter
three
of
the
fiscal
year.
B
So
here
we
have
the
overview
of
what
the
full
report
looked
like
and
we'll
go
into
detail
on
the
data
now,
so
we
had
a
we've
had
so
far
this
fiscal
year,
a
total
of
1171
public
inquiries,
872
of
those
are
from
tenants
and
you
can
see
the
bulk
is
still
around
eviction
protections.
However,
tenant
petitions
are
also
inching
up
there,
as
mentioned
previously.
B
The
other
category
does
still
seem
quite
high,
but
we
are
going
to
see
if
we
can
pull
out
some
more
information
from
that
and
try
to
try
to
give
you
more
detail
on
public
inquiry
topics
found
within
that
section.
We've
tried
that
in
the
past
and
successfully,
but
maybe
we'll
be
be
able
to
do
that.
This
time
we've
had
bilingual
Services,
be
316
of
those
inquiries
which
represents
26
of
all
inquiries
well
above
the
13
of
the
population
in
Mountain
View.
B
We've
held
15
workshops
this
fiscal
year
so
far
for
a
total
of
72
attendees.
There
have
been
quite
a
few
more
this
month
having
to
do
with
landlord
property
registration.
So
I
just
want
to
flag
that
that's
been
a
huge
lift
on
our
offices,
part
and
special
acknowledgment
for
Andrea
and
her
side
of
the
office
as
they've
been
working
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
landlords
are
and
property
owners
are
informed
of
the
registration
and
fee
payment
requirements.
B
We've
also
provided
one-on-one
support
for
446
people
in
the
city
of
Mountain
View
we've
held
44
eviction,
help
center
clinics
and
there
have
been
1700
attendees
and
people
reached
during
our
Outreach
events,
so
that
includes
going
out
into
the
community
and
doing
Outreach
at
some
of
our
Community
Partners,
like
Community
Services
agency
of
Mountain,
View
and
Los
Altos,
and
some
of
the
school
districts
and
school
sites
plus
places
like
chalk
and
their
preschool
distribution
site
for
diapers.
So
we
do
that
pretty
regularly
and
we're
able
to
reach
community
members.
B
There
we've
had
nine
Mass
mailings
that
have
reached
600
and
we've
reached
683
different
people
with
targeted
letters.
These
also
include
mailings
to
Property
Owners
about
how
to
register
their
property.
We've
had
33
email
Updates
this
year
and
we
have
about
1100
subscribers.
So,
as
you
can
see,
that's
ticked
up
substantially
and
we've
had
eight
MV
voice
ads
through
the
month
of
December
for
the
mediation
program.
As
you
know,
the
Mountain
View
mediation
program
provides
assistance
to
the
rent
stabilization
program
and
helps
with
coordinating
mediation
and
conciliation
services
for
landlords
and
tenants
in
Mountain
View.
B
Now
narrowing
in
on
those
termination
notices,
these
are
some
of
the
data
points
for
that,
as
you
can
see,
the
bulk
of
them
continue
to
be
failure
to
pay
rent
notices.
However,
those
are
starting
to
Trend
down
a
little
bit,
I'm,
definitely
down
from
our
Peak.
Last
year
we
have
a
few
more
at
fault,
notices
and
a
few
more
no
fault
notices
over
the
course
of
the
past
year,
but
again
not
much
happening
in
quarter
two
of
the
fiscal
year
for
no
fault
notices
and
for
at
fault
notices.
B
We've
had
a
few
breaches
of
lease,
but
trending
pretty
pretty
much
consistently
averaging
out
to
what
we
normally
expect
and
anticipate
there
for
tenant
relocation
assistance.
There
have
no
been
no
properties
that
have
gone
into
Redevelopment
this
calendar
year.
No
units
have
been
affected
and
only
three
households
have
received
assistance
because
there
just
isn't
anything
being
redeveloped.
Currently
as
far
as
petitions,
we
have
had
an
uptick
in
petitions.
B
This
year
there
have
been
quite
a
few
more
petitions
being
filed.
We've
also
had
some
inquiries
about
landlord
petitions.
Mnoi
petitions,
specifically
so
we'll
see
how
that
Trend
continues
throughout
the
rest
of
the
year.
We
anticipate
that
there
will
continue
to
be
an
increase
in
tenant
petitions
as
we
move
forward
and
probably
in
landlord
petitions
as
well
as
we
move
forward
with
the
Capital
Improvement
petition
process
becoming
more
well-known
and
online
for
market
conditions.
B
The
vacancy
rates
are
pretty
stable
right
now,
starting
to
stabilize,
and
we
anticipate
a
a
decline
back
down
below
the
five
percent
threshold
right
now
we're
at
5.2
percent
and
again
this
is
through
co-star.
Co-Star
is
a
aggregation
of
the
market.
That
was
not
something
that
we
we
as
staff
control.
You
can
see
that
there
are
obviously
some
newly
built
units
coming
online,
as
that
percentage
has
bumped
up
again
and
the
vacancy
rate
for
all
units
across
all
types
of
buildings
is
about
nine
percent
for
fully
covered
units.
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A
B
So
it'll
have
all
the
data
that
you've
requested
put
in
there.
It
will
look
different
and
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
some
of
those
changes,
excellent
and
if
we're
unable
to
capture
all
of
them
in
April,
they
will
definitely
be
captured
in
the
new
fiscal
year
as
well
awesome
so
for
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center.
We've
taken
the
back
off
of
this
report
because
we
record
all
of
that
Outreach
information
that
used
to
be
on
the
back
of
this
in
the
rent
stabilization
program
information.
B
So
it's
just
the
front
side
now
and
it's
only
details
about
the
housing
and
eviction
Health
Center
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
we've
had
10
clinics
through
the
month
of
December
and
we've
reached
130
community
members
through
that
128
tenants
and
two
property
owners.
Since
the
start
of
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center,
we've
reached
a
total
of
962
clients,
so
I
just
wanted
to
keep
that
on
the
running,
tally
on
this
report.
So
you
can
see
all
of
the
people
that
have
come
through
the
The
Help
Center
on
our
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays.
B
It's
pretty
around
our
well
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays.
At
some
point,
at
one
point,
not
just
Thursdays
on
the
first
and
third
Thursday
of
the
month,
we're
all
going
through
the
demographics
really
quickly,
so
74
of
our
clients
speak
of
primary
language
other
than
English
and
require
translations
assistance
and
right
now
the
bulk
of
that
is
Spanish.
Speaking
64
of
us
heard
about
the
housing
eviction
help
center
through
community
members.
B
Three,
the
majority
of
households
have
three
or
more
people
living
in
them.
72
percent
of
our
households
have
three
or
more
people
living
in
them
and
the
majority
of
those
live.
61
of
them
live
on
an
average
annual
household
income
of
less
than
35
000,
so
that
is
below
the
30
area,
median
income
for
for
the
county
and
again
that's
with
three
people
in
the
household,
eight
percent
of
people
who
have
come
to
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center.
B
B
Actually,
38
of
the
people
who
come
to
see
us
have
received
termination
notices
and
are
behind,
on
average,
by
3.2
months
of
rent,
so
we're
almost
starting
to
see
parity
in
what
people
are
receiving
from
assistance
programs
and
how
much
they're
behind
on
rent
and
30
of
our
clients
have
requested
and
received
legal
assistance
at
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center,
and
that
concludes
the
update
for
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
the
data
there.
A
Okay,
since
there
are
no
more
questions
from
the
committee.
I
will
now
invite
public
comments.
Would
any
member
of
the
public
on
the
line
like
to
provide
comment
on
this
item?
If
so,
please
click
the
raise
hand
button
in
Zoom
or
press
star
9
on
your
phone
staff
will
display
a
countdown
timer
on
the
screen.
A
A
E
Sure
Rebels
I
guess
this
will
probably
be
my
last
time
to
say
this,
but
thank
you
so
much
that
for
your
work
on
all
these
reports,
they
are
really
informative
and
I
always
look
back
for
to
them
for,
for
other
things
and
and
information
about
how
Mountain
View
is
really
leading
on
a
whole
bunch
of
things,
and
that's
that's
through
your
department
and
that's
that's
through
the
work
of
our
staff.
So
thank
you
so
much.
These
have
been
very
useful.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
them
quarterly.
A
H
Today
we're
starting
off
this
item
in
the
rental
housing
committee
that
will
probably
be
followed
in
the
coming
months
to
try
and
come
to
a
resolution
that
would
work
and
then
a
solution
that
would
work
for
both
the
language
and
attendance
in
Mountain
View.
So
the
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
for
the
rental
housing
committee
to
receive
a
presentation
on
the
definition
of
rent
and
the
treatment
of
utilities
and
search
and
Housing
Services
as
part
of
the
rent,
as
is
encompassed
in
the
csfra,
the
community
stabilization
and
fair
index.
H
We
will
also
be
providing
information
about
the
use
of
the
ratio.
Utility
billing
systems
also
called
rugs
by
landlords
to
separately
Bill
utilities
for
our
csfra
tenants
causing
monthly
fluctuations
in
rent,
and
we
would
like
for
the
rail
housing
committee
to
provide
initial
input
on
and
parameters
for,
developing
a
potential
strategy
to
address
the
use
of
reps
in
order
to
increase
compliance
with
lawfully
imposed
rents
and
rent
increases
on
the
receiver.
H
A
little
bit
of
background
on
this
topic
that
has
been
signaled
by
rental
housing
committee
members
and
also
experienced
by
staff
from
inquiries
from
tenants
during
the
covid-19
State
of
Emergency
on
the
legality
of
these
monthly
fluctuating
utility
bills
and
tenants
explained
they
received
two
separate
charges
from
the
landlord
one
was
for
rent
and
another.
One
was
for
all
the
utility
costs
and
the
charge
for
the
rent
reflects
the
rent,
as
was
stipulated
in
their
lease
agreements
and
remained
constant
for
the
term
of
their
lease.
H
H
Next
I
would
like-
and
it
may
seem
a
little
bit
overly
explanatory,
but
I
really
want
everybody
to
understand
the
details
of
the
issues
that
are
playing
in
Mountain
View,
so
we're
going
to
explain
how
these
utilities
are
being
built
and
paid
in
Mountain
View
in
Mountain
View.
What
we've
seen
as
staff
is
that
most
tenants
are
commonly
serviced
by
a
combination
of
utility
and
or
housing
Service
Billings,
and
this
is
separate
from
the
rent.
So
there
are
we've
seen
three
ways
for
the
payment
of
utilities.
H
Sometimes
tenants
pay
utility
services
directly
to
the
utility
provider
such
as
gas
and
electricity
to
PG
e
utilities
are
in
such
instances
individually,
metered
per
unit,
and
in
those
cases
the
utilities
are
not
considered
part
of
rent.
If
you
read
the
csfra
carefully,
the
second
scenario
is
that
utilities
are
included
in
a
fixed
rent
amount
paid
directly
to
the
landlord.
H
H
These
monthly
utility
charges
are
not
fixed
but
fluctuate
from
month
to
month,
and
they
are
not
charged
according
to
the
usage
of
the
tenants.
But
reps
uses
a
calculation
methodology
to
distribute
the
property-wide
utility
costs
among
tenants,
and
this
is
because
the
tenants
do
not
have
individually
individually
installed
meters
to
actually
measure
usage
per
unit
per
tenant.
Household.
H
So,
when
tenants
receive
a
rubs
bill
that
can
be
sent
either
by
the
landlord
directly
or
by
a
third-party
service
provider
in
Mountain
View,
we
see
that
conservice
is
used.
Quite
a
bit
disrupts
a
vendor
usually
includes
a
Billing
System,
where
they
build
directly
to
the
tenant
and
calculate
a
material
methodology
for
allocating
these
property-wide
utility
costs.
H
So
going
back
to
the
csfra
for
us
to
understand
how
utilities
need
to
be
treated,
we
have
to
look
at
the
definition
of
rent
and
the
csfra's
definition
of
rent
States,
that
all
periodic
payments
and
all
non-monetary
considerations,
four
or
two
to
before
the
benefit
or
to
the
landlord,
including
all
payments
and
consideration
for
parking
utility
charges.
Pets
Furniture
are
considered
rent.
H
H
So
the
inclusion
of
these
utility
charges
in
the
csfra's
definition
of
rent
means
that
if
the
landlord
charges
utility
costs
to
the
tenant,
whether
separately
billed
by
the
landlord
or
a
third-party
service
providers
or
through
a
billing
process,
this
utility
charges
are
considered
part
of
rent
and
subject
to
those
limitations.
We
just
mentioned
for
rent
increases
in
the
csfra.
H
H
These
verbs
are
used
by
landlords
to
charge
tenants
a
portion
of
the
property-wide
utility
costs.
There
might
be
just
one
meter
on
the
whole
of
the
property.
The
property
is
so-called
Master
metered
and
that
meter
displays
the
usage
of
the
utility
for
the
entire
building
and
there
are
no
individual
or
sub
meters
to
track
actual
usage
in
each
rental
unit.
H
H
H
So
what
we've
learned
so
far
is
that
reps
causes
the
amount
of
utility
charges
to
go
up
and
down,
and
that
is
considered
a
monthly
change
of
rent,
because
we've
just
learned
that
utilities
are
part
of
rent
and
the
csfra
only
allows
rent
increases
one
time
per
12
months
and
that
rent
increase
needs
to
be
limited
to
the
AGA.
So,
therefore,
rubs
can
be
inconsistent
with
the
csfra
if
there
are
big
fluctuations
up
and
now.
H
As
we
explained
before,
this
monthly
fluctuations
in
utility
charges
may
be
inconsistent
with
the
csfra
rent
increase
limitations.
For
instance,
in
this
year
the
AGA
was
set
at
five
percent
and
we
have
seen
instances
where
utility
charges
were
fluctuating
in
excess
of
that
five
percent,
and
even
if
this
is
fra,
did
permit
more
than
one
rent
increase
per
12
months.
H
The
use
of
reps
would
still
be
inconsistent
with
the
csfra,
because
these
increases
in
monthly
utility
bills
often
exceeds
the
amount
per
minute
by
the
established
Aga,
and
they
also
seem
to
violate
the
noticing
requirements
in
the
csfra,
because
there
is
no
30-day
written
notice
provided
to
the
tenants
before
an
increased
utility
bill
is
sent
to
the
tenants
on
a
monthly
basis.
Most
of
the
time,
the
tenants
only
see
the
utility
bill
when
they
receive
the
invoice
at
the
time
that
they
are
supposed
to
be
paying
those
utility
bills.
H
H
H
H
H
H
And
we
could
also
allow
continuing
to
allow
reps
methodologies
when
the
lease
States,
both
the
amount
of
the
rent
and
a
maximum
amount
charged
separately
for
utilities
over
the
year
and
the
separate
utility
costs
can
still
vary,
but
not
over
the
maximum
amount.
As
stated
in
the
lease
and
again,
certain
parameters
could
be
included,
such
as
a
certain
percentage
of
common
area.
Utility
costs
be
excluded,
and
these
are
just
a
couple
of
options
that
we
have
flagged.
E
H
H
We
just
adopted
Capital
Improvement
petition
process
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
there
are
very
specific
rules
of
how
what
percentage
of
the
total
cost
can
be
submitted
for
Capital
Improvement
petition
and
how
much
can
be
calculated
to
be
passed
through
to
the
tenants.
So
there
are
certain
limitations
on
that.
I
A
H
H
If
they,
so,
if,
if
if
utilities
are
paid
directly
to
the
utility
provider,
even
our
definition
says,
then
it's
not
part
of
the
rent,
but
even
when
they
say
in
general,
when
utilities
are
paid
to
a
landlord
and
he
uses
a
rubs
system,
rubs
is
not
allowed.
You
have
to
put
the
maximum
rent
amount
in
your
lease
and
you
cannot
increase
that
number
unless
you're
12
months
down
the
road
and
you
can
increase
it
by
the
Aga.
J
H
J
H
What
because
of
the
way,
our
definition
is
used,
industry
suffering
where
utilities
are
specifically
mentioned
in
the
rent
definition
and
the
Housing
Services,
we
have
to
come
to
a
strict,
a
strict,
stricter
explanation
of
how
utilities
are
included
in
the
rent
and
Karen
Nas.
You
can
help
me
here
legally,
if
you
want
to
explain
it
in
more
detail.
G
Yeah
I
think
the
issue
is,
we
need
guidance
and
we
probably
need
regulations
one
way
or
the
other,
because
our
definition
of
rent
specifically
says
utility
charges
are
included
and
then
defines
utility
charges.
So
if
that's
your
definition
of
rent,
then
it
gets
included
for
purposes
of
the
AGA
and
any
increases
in
base
rent
determinations.
J
H
G
J
Could
that
be
interpreted
as
to
the
benefit
I
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
like
the
seems
like
we're,
making
a
judgment.
Call
there
that
this
this
language,
that's
not
to
the
benefit
of
the
landlord.
We're
making
a
judgment.
Call
that
if
you
pay
directly
to
PG
e,
it's
not
a
benefit
to
the
landlord,
but
in
otherwise
it
is
and
I
feel
like.
There
are
other
similar
utilities
or
requirements
that
a
landlord
might
have
in
a
lease
that
are
benefit
the
landlord
that
they're
requiring
you
to
pay.
G
J
K
Yeah
so
they're,
acting
in
the
capacity
of
the
authorized
agent,
so
it's
like
them
having
a
management
company
for
the
utilities,
and
you
wouldn't
say
that
just
because
you're
paying
to
the
management
company
or
rent
that
it's
not
for
the
benefit
of
the
landlord.
It's
the
same
thing
with
the
utilities.
This
is
a
management
company
that
collects
the
funds
from
the
tenants
and
then
gives
it
to
the
landlord
and
the
landlord
pays.
Their
utilities.
K
Master
metered
means
that
it
is
the
there's
one
meter
and
there's
not
sub
metering,
so
the
tenants
cannot
be
metered
cannot
be
charged
individually
for
their
actual
usage,
so
this
would
control
a
majority.
This.
These
regulations
would
cover
a
majority
of
the
buildings,
as
Anki
said,
almost
100
of
csfra
units,
not
a
small
portion
of
them.
J
Well,
yeah.
Actually
that
makes
me
I
guess
it
makes
me
more
concerned.
I
think
I
misinterpreted
the
what
was
said
in
the
last
as
part
of
the
last
answer
to
the
question:
I
guess
maybe
to
Committee
Member
Ramos
like
is
that,
is
that
what
you
were
expecting
that
that
it's
actually
almost
100
coverage
of
buildings
that
that
would
be
affected?
Well,
sorry,.
H
H
G
Right,
but
if
they're
not
separately
metered,
then
the
tenant
cannot
pay
for
the
utilities
directly
to
the
utility
provider
right.
So
that's
where
the
options
that
Anki
went
through
you
know
the
landlord
can
just
include
the
utilities
as
part
of
rent.
So
when
you
calculate
the
rent,
when
a
tenant
moves
in,
you
calculate
the
rent
to
cover
all
your
costs,
including
your
estimate
of
utilities
or
some
landlords,
will
use
a
rub
system
where
the
tenants
are
charged.
J
As
far
as
water
or
PG
ego
I
mean
PG
e
has
just
increased
rates
significantly
over
the
past
few
months,
as
many
of
us
are
aware
in
the
Bay,
Area
and
and
so
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
sort
of
trying
to
to
get
to
is
how
how
could
that?
Even
how
can
we
regulate
that
fluctuation?
Also,
seasonal
fluctuations,
as
well.
G
We're
not
regulating
PG
e
and
we're
not
regulating
any
utility
providers.
What
we're
regulating
is
what
property
owners
charge
to
tenants.
So
if
I'm,
a
property
owner
and
I
know
that
my
annual
utility
bill
is
X,
I
can
allocate
it
to
the
tenants
over
a
12-month
period
and
that's
how
I
address
the
fluctuations.
J
Are
you
also,
including
in
that
any
just
generally
utilities
that
are
not
the
system?
The
landlord
is
not
necessarily
using
the
rub
system,
but
they
are
billing
anywhere
that
a
tenant
cannot
directly
pay
PG,
E
I,
guess
that's
what
that'd
be
the
example
that
I'd
go
for?
Is
this
inclusive
of
all
those
options,
or
this
is
specifically
just
about
rubs,
but
not
necessarily
other
use
cases
where
the
tenant
cannot
pay
directly
to
the
to
the
vendor?
Well,.
H
So
that's
what
red
stabilization
in
one
of
the
main
purposes
is
of
red
stabilization
is
to
predict
and
stabilize
the
rental
market.
So
when
reps
is
used
and
it's
over
over,
oh
and
it
goes
over
the
allowed
rent
increases
for
rent,
then
it
it's
not
it's
not
in
accordance
with
our
csfra
anymore.
If
one
month,
utility
charges
are
100
and
the
next
month
they
have
500.
That
causes
a
lot
of
instability
amongst
the
tenants
in
Mountain
View.
J
J
Ask
one
more
question
and
then
I'll,
let
the
other
committee
members
have
their
chance
for
sure.
But
how
was
that?
How
is
it
different
for
someone
who's
on
rub
versus
someone
who
pays
the
utility
directly?
They
could
also
have
that
yeah
once
once
it
hits
winter
it
and
they
need
to
start
using
a
lot
more
natural
gas.
Their
bill
will
increase,
or
even
if
they
expected
that
natural
gas
to
be
more
PG
e
could
have
decided
they're
going
to
increase
things
by
10
to
15
percent.
That's.
H
G
Else
well,
I
think,
there's
a
couple
differences.
First
of
all
you
as
the
tenant.
If
it's
separately
metered
you
control,
you
have
some
control
over
how
you
use
the
utilities,
whereas
if
it's
Master
metered
and
it's
allocated
to
you,
the
formulas
for
allocation
may
be
based
on
the
square
footage
of
your
unit
or
the
number
of
occupants.
But
you
don't
have
a
con
control
over
what
anybody
else
uses
so
you're,
not
able
you
know
you
may
cut
back,
because
you
want
to
save
money,
but
your
neighbors
may
not.
G
H
So
that
is
not
a
New
Concept,
and
we
also
explained
that
if
a
landlord
wants
to
install
individual
meters
and
and
wants
to
ask
for
help,
I
think
that's
what
you
mean
by
asking
for
help
is
they
they
can
file
a
capital
Improvement
petition
if
they
want
to
install
individual
meters
or
if
they
feel
that
the
allowed
rent
increase
is
not
enough
to
cover
the
net
operating
income
of
the
building.
They
can
file
an
mnoi
petition
as
well.
Okay,.
B
Oops
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
one
of
the
options
that
were
bringing
to
the
committee
for
potential
consideration
or
the
options
that
we
have
here
are
our
also
looking
at
a
potentially
a
one-time
rent
adjustment
for
properties
that
are
not
in
compliance.
There
are
options
here
that
we
do
not
have
in
regulations
yet
that
we're
bringing
potentially
to
you
to
consider
regulations
for
some
of
those
cost
recovery
mechanisms.
H
F
H
D
Well,
I
mean
looking
at
the
other
cities
it
we
seem
to
be
in
good
standing
if
we
were
to
maintain
what
we
have,
because
three-quarters
of
the
city's
don't
allow
for
for
rubs
and
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
landlords
should
be
able
to
figure
out
an
average
I'm
sure
that
they
probably
include
more
than
the
actual
costs
of
utilities.
So
they
have
a
little
bit
of
leeway
and
I
mean
I
guess
if
there
was
a
lot
of
pressure
to
allow
a
one
month,
rent
adjustment,
the
first
option.
L
D
Would
personally
I
think
we
should
just
leave
it
alone?
We've
already
got
in
our
csfra
that
utility
charges
are
part
of
the
rent
and
landlords,
know
that
and
should
you
know
charge
accordingly,
I
I
used
to
live
in
buildings
that
had
Master
meters,
and
there
was
absolutely
no
way
of
knowing
how
much
you
were
using
and
you
just
had
to
deal
with
whatever
you
were
being
charged.
It's
it's,
not
a
very
fair
system
to
the
tenant
and
I.
D
Also
I
do
I
would
like
to
know
whether
other
committee
members
feel
it
is
necessary
to
do
Outreach
and
stakeholder
meetings
on
this.
It
seems
like
it's
pretty
predictable
what
the
response
would
be,
and
it
seems
like
it
would
just
take
longer
to
to
set
up
the
regulations
if
we
go
for
stakeholder
meetings.
H
If
I
I
can
answer
the
first
part
of
your
question,
if
you
leave
the
csfra
alone
and
you
don't
adopt
any
further
regulations,
I
think
it's
remains
very
confusing
for
both
landlords
and
tenants.
What
is
and
what
is
not
included
in
the
rent
and
we're
depending
on
tenants,
then
filing
petitions
if
they
think
that
the
landlord
is
not
charging
the
lawful
rent
under
this
year's
fra.
So
you
will
get
case-by-case
situations
where
tenants
feel
brave
enough
to
file
a
petition
and
regulate
their
own
individual
case
through
a
petition.
H
H
I
H
No
I,
understand,
I
and
and
I
think
there
might
be
systems
used
out
there
that
might
be
valid
under
the
currency
is
afraid
that
we
haven't
heard
about
so
one
of
the
options
that
we're
mentioning
in
this
memo
was
used
by
one
property
manager,
management
company
in
Mountain
View,
and
we
thought
well
yeah,
that's
great.
They
figured
out
their
own
system,
it
falls
within
the
parameters
of
the
csfra
and
we
think
it's
a
great
example.
E
A
If
there
are
no
further
questions,
I
think
we
will
turn
to
public
comment
and
I
must
admit:
I
have
lost
everything
in
the
great
internet
crash
of
January,
31st
2023,
so
I'm
still
rebuilding
this,
but
I.
Believe
members
of
the
public
may
now
queue
up
for
public
comment
by
either
pressing
star
nine
on
their
phone
or
by
clicking
the
raise
hand.
Button
staff
will
display
a
countdown
timer
on
the
screen
and
we
will
get
everyone
queued
up
here,
while
I
regain
all
of
my
taps.
A
M
You
know.
Rubs
is
the
best
way
for
tenants
to
have
an
idea
of
their
consumption
amounts,
because
without
Rob's
billing
there's,
there
is
no
other
way
and
it-
and
in
this
time,
when
we
really
need
to
stress
conservation,
rubs
is
a
critical
tool.
My
my
clock
has
stopped.
Is
that
I
don't
know
how
much
time
I
have
left
just
FYI?
So,
finally,
having
the
robust
stakeholder
process
will
highlight
ways
we
can
all
work
together.
M
L
N
N
N
A
C
A
O
O
When
these
we
don't
feel
the
financial
burden
of
taking
an
hour-long
shower.
What's
the
reason
to
take
a
five
minute
shower
or
to
help
save
these
resources,
so
I
think
it's
really
important.
Given
the
the
times
we're
in
and
the
drought
we've
just
come
out
of
are
still
in
that
we
find
Financial
ways
to
make
the
tenants
responsible
or
residents
responsible
for
usage
and
coming
together
to
conserve
and
I
feel
like
grubs
helps
with
that
conservation.
O
I
think
one
thing
that
wasn't
brought
up
as
most
landlords
when
they
have
a
rubs
program
in
place.
They
use
a
common
area
deduction,
meaning
they
can
never
charge
a
hundred
percent
of
the
full
utility
bill.
They
always
back
some
out,
be
it
five
percent
or
ten
percent
or
20
depending
on
the
building,
so
that
the
tenants
are
never
charged
more
than
the
actual
utility
charges
they're
based.
O
Water
last
year
went
up,
12
and
trash
went
up
six
percent
all
while
AGA
remained
at
five
percent,
so
you
have
maybe
the
option
to
go
to
the
city
council
and
ask
them
to
limit
the
increases
that
are
passed
along
and
cap,
those
at
Aga
or
maybe
we
could
meet
in
some
stakeholder
meetings,
and
we
could
talk
about
some
other
solutions
to
this.
But
I
think
that
if
we
come
together
we
can
we
can
find
a
solution
for
this
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
up.
I
want
to
just
raise
my
concern
about
with
the
first
presentation
that
we
saw
this
evening
was
about
the
relevance
of
the
persons
that
we
talked
about
AGI
and
you
know
the
30
50
and
so
on,
with
the
rapid
growing
of
the
AGI,
the
the
income
in
the
tech
sector,
which
is
predominant
part
of
our
economy
here
in
Silicon
Valley.
P
Q
Yeah
good
evening,
I
think
you
all
know
me:
oh
man,
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
around
you
a
lot
of
comments,
I'm
gonna
dance
all
over
the
place
and
may
not
like
them,
but
I'm
gonna,
say
them
anyway.
If
you
want
to
know
how
the
details
of
how
Robin
works
of
someone
who
uses
rubs,
rather
than
putting
out
the
information
out
there,
inaccurately
no
landlord
adds
leeway
or
cushions
their
numbers.
That's
inaccurate!
That's
gas
lighting,
there's
specific
formulas
that
we
go
by
and,
as
Ian
pointed
out,
there's
common
area
deductions.
Q
So
we're
not
even
passing
through
a
hundred
percent
of
the
utilities.
It's
usually
a
deduction
of
a
hundred
percent,
so
you
maybe
pass
through
somewhere
between
80
to
90
percent.
Depending
on
the
formula
you
opt
for
being
anti-rubs
is
anti-environment.
It's
anti-conservation,
it's
anti-climate
change.
Water
conservation,
trash
conservation.
Recycling
is
effective
through
rubs
in
San
Jose.
Before
it
was
banned,
rubs.
We
actually
water
usage
dropped
15
to
25
percent
throughout
the
buildings
and
in
some
cases,
dropped
40
percent,
simply
because
of
rubs.
Q
As
soon
as
it
went
away,
water
usage
went
spiked
right
back
up
to
where
it
used
to
be
there's
no
skin
in
the
game
and
guess
what
happens?
The
tenants
use
as
much
as
they
want
to
use.
They
don't
care
at
that
point.
Installing
sub
meters
virtually
impossible
in
the
older
buildings,
especially
with
shared
meters.
Mostly
because
to
do
it,
you
have
to
actually
divide
the
piping
in
the
walls.
It's
not
just
putting
a
sub
meter
outside
the
thing
calling
it
a
day.
Q
You
got
to
chop
open
all
the
units
divide,
the
piping
in
the
walls
to
make
it
work.
This
is
not
as
simple
as
like.
Oh
we
could
do
this
and
do
a
pass-through
and
I
think
knowledge
his
power
at
this
point,
and
you
gotta,
and
you
gotta,
understand
that
before
you
make
comments
to
those
regards
long-term
effects
based
on
Banning
of
rubs.
Just
so,
you
guys
know
the
water
consumption
will
go
back
up.
Q
Yeah
we've
had
some
rain,
but
we're
still
in
a
drought
we
probably
will
be
for
foreseeable
future
and
if
you
ban
rubs,
you're,
basically
anti
conservation
period,
there's
no
gray
area.
The
second
thing
to
know
is
that
when
rubs
is
gone,
it's
easy
based
on
weird
landlords
will
look
for
the
least
number
of
occupants
going
into.
Every
unit
means
we're
not
going
to
go
by
families,
because
the
rubs
calculations
was
based
on
a
number
of
people
without
rubs.
Q
R
It
seems
like
the
most
peaceful
way
to
do
this
and
the
most
secure
for
tenants.
So
one
of
the
things
I
heard
a
little
bit.
You
know
like
I
I'll,
be
curious
to
hear
more
about
it
is
under
rubs.
Do
vacancies
which
I
could
consider
to
be
the
landlord's
responsibility
mean
that
a
whole
utility
bill
would
be
divided
by
say
nine
and
by
nine
people
instead
of
ten
up
increasing
everyone's
share
when
there
is
a
vacancy
that
seems
well.
The
word
unfair
comes
to
mind.
R
I
think
I
do
give
credit
to
the
landlord
speaking
about
conservation
that
there
is
not
an
incentive.
You
know
if,
in
the
example
I
just
gave
where
the
utilities
are
included
and
not
separately
charged
for
and
if
there's
one
situation
that's
been
mentioned
tonight,
where
there
could
be
a
Max
utility
amount
and
but
the
landlord
if
utility
amounts
for
the
whole
property
go
under
that
Max
across
the
property
across
the
units,
then
there
could
be
a
reduction
in
that
or
you
might
only
pay
the
max
in
the
winter.
R
In
days
like
we've
been
having
so
the
other
thing,
I
wonder
that
will
need
to
be
discussed
further
is
how
far
back
will
a
petition
a
tenant
petition
go
because
it
sounds
like
many
tenants
in
Mountain.
View
have
had
utilities
go
up
more
than
the
AGA,
and
so,
if
they
can
petition
for
that,
can
they
petition
all
the
way
back
to
when
they
be
began
that
tendency
or
when
the
csfra
began.
R
S
A
Thank
you,
Alex,
okay,
seeing
no
more
hands
from
the
public
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
comments,
and
I
am
going
to
bring
this
back
to
the
committee
for
deliberation.
We
do
not
need
emotion,
but
it
would
be
ideal
if
we
could
provide
feedback
to
staff
as
to
what
we
want
to
do.
As
far
as
next
steps.
E
So
I
was
one
of
the
committee
members
to
to
bring
this
up.
I
got,
it
was
non-stop
contact
from
tenants
who
were
confused
were
upset
with
essentially
what
they
called
conservice.
What
we
now
call
rubscon
services
is
just
a
vendor
that
handles
a
ratio
utility
billing
service,
and
it
made
sense
to
me
why
they
would
be
upset
and
I
learned
recently
that
even
my
apartment
was
covered
with
concerts
and
then
I
was
like.
Oh,
this
is
exciting.
E
I
get
to
find
out
like
how
this
all
works
and
so
I
go
in,
and
then
it's
like.
How
is
this
build
and
they're
like
through
conservous,
so
I
contact
conferences?
How
is
this
bill
and
they're
like?
There
are
a
number
of
factors
like
what
do
you
mean
a
number
of
actors,
and
so
I
I
do
think
that
there's
some
importance
to
getting
some
transparency
through,
because
even
I
who,
like
know
these
laws,
was
not
able
to
see
why
we
were
my.
My
apartment
was
billed
the
way
it
was.
E
What
Mr
Zell
actually
mentioned
that
it
was
by
a
number
of
people,
I
heard
before
that
it
was
by
the
square
footage
of
our
apartment.
I,
don't
know
which
one
is
true,
because
I
I
had
a
a
neighbor
who
I
live
in
a
two-bedroom
unit
with
three
people.
She
lives
in
a
two-bedroom
unit
with
two
people
and
we
get
billed
the
same
through
conservice.
E
Obviously,
three
people
probably
use
more
than
two
people
and
she
doesn't
find
that
fair
and
that's
hard
to
argue
with
I.
Think
I
think
this
is
worth
going
to
the
stakeholders
to
find
better
ideas
and
and
find
what
can
be
done
about
it.
I
don't
want
it
to
devolve
into
one
side,
saying
don't
do
anything
in
another
side
saying
please
fix
this,
so
that
is
what
I'm
hoping
that
we
go
forward
with
the
stakeholder
meetings.
E
J
Thank
you,
I
think,
I.
Think
two
Committee
Member
Ramos's
point
it
as
part
of
this
next
step.
It
would
be
good
to
really
articulate
the
specific
problems
we're
trying
to
solve.
You
know,
I
think.
The
effect
of
this
is
one
effect
that
that
initially,
by
potentially
holding
the
increase
to
inflation,
you
know
I
know.
I
was
actually
doing
the
calculations
on
the
Mountain
View
sewer,
and
you
know
water
rates
myself.
I
came
up
to
a
a
similar
back
to
the
envelope
number
right.
J
J
Currently
they're
they're,
allowing
the
you
know,
they're,
just
billing,
it
and
they're
not
adding
anything
additional.
Sorry,
in
an
ideal
State
there
are
landlords
who
are
just
trying
to
pass
through
the
cost
based
off
of
the
usage
of
as
best
they
can
in
good
faith
delivered
to
their
tenants,
and
even
in
that
best
case
scenario,
they
would
just
be
we're
we'd,
be
essentially
telling
them
to
eat
that
cost
right.
J
You
know
there
is
also
terminology
that
that
says
that
landlords
get
a
fair
and
reasonable
return
and
I
I
would
say
that
requiring
them
to
file
a
petition
which
is
introducing
friction.
Many
of
them
have
to
get
lawyers
to
file
an
mnoi
petition.
It
is
I
would
say
an
undue
burden
all
right
to
just
cap
they're
not
going
to
capture
that
two
percent
they're
just
going
to
eat
it
right
and,
and
we
are
forcing
it
on
them
and
that's
an
effect
of
this
I.
J
That
is
a
problem
we
potentially
want
to
solve,
but
I
think
you'd
solve
that
through
different
regs
or
different
options,
and
overall
I
just
see
a
frequent
scenario
where
there's
a
cold
winter
I
mean
you're,
essentially
asking
and
I
will
I'll
summarize
here
and
let
others
speak,
but
this
was
a
particularly
cold
winter.
With
a
lot
of
rain.
J
J
The
next
year
could
again
be
off
by
50
hundred
dollars
or
something
right
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
we
are
trying
to
enforce
that
and
say
you
know,
by
trying
to
solve
this
issue
of
potentially
we're
hearing
that
there
are
renters
who
think
that
landlords
are
charging
them
too
much
landlords
who
try
to
do
a
good
job
and
do
the
math
themselves
and
say
I
think
this.
You
know
the
utilities,
for
this
are
going
to
be
120
and
in
a
cold
winter.
It's
a
you
know
in
certain
months.
It's
way
more
than
that.
J
You
put
them
in
a
situation
where
they're
trying
to
buffer,
then
to
say
well
if
it
is
going
to
be
a
cold
winter,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
don't
end
up
paying
more
to
the
utility
and
the
incentives
are
just
misaligned
and
so
I
would
in
this
in
the
stakeholder
process.
I
would
like
a
few
things
happen.
I
would
ask
that,
yes,
we
have
stakeholder
feedback.
J
Well,
that's
the
effect
of
what
we're
doing
right
so
I'd
like
to
ask
our
legal
counsel
to
dig
more
into
what
the
other
jurisdictions
are
doing
in
the
carabouts
that
they've
been
able
to
carve
out
without
having
any
sort
of
litigation
or
they're
allowed
to
do
that.
I
would
like
to
see
more
options
there
and
I'd
like
to
see
more
options
on
how
we
solve
how
we
could
solve
different
pieces
and
yeah
again
getting
tight
on
the
problem
that
we
see
not
just
right.
F
F
I
I
mostly
heard
the
other
side,
which
is
basically
that
one
the
tenant
was
never
allowed
to
know
how
much
they
were
going
to
pay
the
next
month,
which
that
I
believe
is
an
unfair
process,
because
it
doesn't
allow
for
the
tenant
to
have
control
over
what
they're
spending
and
in
terms
of
conservation,
I.
Think
we're
all
in
the
same
page
that,
yes,
we
all
want
a
concern,
but
if
you
don't
have
control
over
what
you're
using,
how
are
you
controlling
it
and
and
you
it?
F
The
rubs,
definitely
is
just
open
to
to
too
many
too
many
many
many
ways
to
abuse
the
system
instead
of
fixing
Edge.
So
I
am
looking
forward
to
getting
a
receiving
Solutions
on
how
to
make
it
more
fair
for
tentative
landlord,
because
I
I
also
don't
don't
think
that
the
landlord
the
the
tenant
should
abuse
the
water
usage
for
the
other
10
ends
and
because
I
certainly
don't
and
because
that
does
definitely
does
do
away
with
the
csfra,
which
is
basically
a
csafari,
was
created.
F
If
we
remember
for
the
unfair
costs
of
living
in
this
area,
you
know
and
in
and
that's
what
the
CSA.
That's
what
we're
here
for
we're
here
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
fair
and
Rob's.
I,
certainly
don't
see,
see
it,
it's
not
a
Fair
Avenue
it.
Definitely,
it
opens
up
to
a
huge
door
for
many
many
abuses.
F
In
theory,
it
probably
sounds
good,
but
in
practice
that's
how
I
I've
heard
it
and
seen
it
it's
not
it's
not.
It's
not
fair,
because
I
actually
have
seen
some
receipts
in
terms
of
how
much
they
pay
after
the
fact.
So
after
the
month.
This
is
what
you
have
to
pay
and
if
you
don't
pay
we're
gonna
evict
you,
which
is
basically
what
the
csfra
is
trying
to
prevent.
F
C
A
Committee
Member
quick
question:
I
think
this
might
be
for
Anki
I'm.
Just
trying
to
remember.
If
I
read
this
in
the
staff
report,
is
it
permitted
in
the
state
of
California
for
utilities
to
be
for
master
metered
utilities
to
be
divided
up
between
units
without
an
algorithmic
approach?
I
thought
I
saw
something
in
the
staff
report
about
that
being
illegal.
H
A
Talking
about,
let's,
let's
say
we're
living
in
a
non-run
controlled
area,
let's
say
we're
out
in
Stockton
if
I
own
apartments
in
Stockton
under
California
law
am
I
allowed
to
say,
there's
32
units
and
I'm
going
to
take
the
bill
and
divide
it
by
32.
every
month
and
just
send
out
separate
bills
on
that
yeah.
H
G
Right,
there's
no
state
law.
There
is
a
state
law
that
if
there
aren't
separate
meters,
the
landlord
has
to
tell
the
tenant
and
it
has
to
be
disclosed,
but
there
is
no
state
law.
That
says
you
have
to
use
a
particular
formula
and
there
are
different
formulas
that
appear
to
be
in
use
by
these
services.
E
So,
thank
you,
Committee
Member
Rosas.
He
said
so
much
that
I
wanted
to
say
and
it
did
trigger
what
I
remembered
more.
What
I
wanted
to
say.
One
of
the
things
in
terms
of
the
conservation
argument
against
rubs
is
the
problem.
Is
it's
usually
divided
under
a
certain
algorithm
among
all
tenants,
if
you
are
really
good
about
conserving
your
energy
conserving
your
water,
but
your
neighbor
next
door
is
a
jerk.
E
You
still
paid
the
brunch
of
that,
so
as
I
think
of
solutions
oriented
one
of
the
things
I'm
thinking
about
is,
maybe
the
landlords
could
enable
tenant
unions,
so
they
could
work
together
to
conserve
water
together
and
and
conserve
energy
together
and
and
actually
work
together
more
on
those
common
goals.
If
we
are
in
fact
working
together
on
those
common
goals
by
our
bills,.
A
Do
you
want
to
share
with
regards
to
the
Rome's
issue?
I
just
want
to
say:
I
actually
have
been
billed
under
rubs,
not
in
the
last
five
years,
because
I
now
pay
PG
e
directly
from
but
I
have
had
several
places
where
I
lived,
that
used
a
Rob's
billing
approach,
one
as
early
as
2008,
which
I
don't
think
it
was
overly
common
in
all
states
in
08
it
was
a
little
bit
rockier
at
that
time.
A
It
does
at
least
every
time
I
have
used
it
and
I've
used
it
with
three
different
property
management
companies
that
were
not
affiliated
with
one
another.
In
all
cases,
I
could
pay
the
rubs
bill
with
my
rent,
so
it
felt
like
I
was
paying
a
portion
of
rent
like
the
money
transfer
actually
went
in
the
same
portal.
I
always
paid
the
rent
electronically.
So
I
think
you
know
when
we
talk
about
this
issue
or
when
you
all
talk
about
this
issue
with
stakeholders.
A
But
if
we're
sort
of
saying
which
I
think
we
are
in
act,
the
language
is
very
clear
if
the
utility
is
paid
for
the
benefit
or
to
the
landlord.
It's
considered
part
of
rent
and
if,
like
I've,
been
doing
for
the
last
five
years,
you
the
tenant,
pays
PG
e
directly.
It
is
not
considered
part
of
rent,
then
I.
A
So
if
the
sum
total
of
what
the
ACT
says
is
it's
about,
who
receives
the
money
and
not
about
whether
or
not
the
utilities
are
being
paid
by
the
tenant
separately,
which
I
think
is
actually
what
the
language
says,
I
think
that's
probably
the
place
to
think
about
solving
because
I'm,
pretty
sure
of
me
paying
PG
e.
No
one
considers
that
right
in
my
situation,
Committee
Member,
Criminal.
J
I
would
I
would
ask,
and
hopefully
the
committee
would
support
like
more
a
better
definition
of
why
that
is
I
mean
if
there
are,
if
they're
an
entity
if
they're
a
company,
PG
e
is
also
a
company.
Comcast
is
a
company
right
that
you're
paying
you
know,
how
does
the?
What
is
it
about
the
relationship
between
the
landlord
and
the
or
the
property
manager,
and
that
company
and.
M
J
I,
don't
know
that
company
in
particular
I,
don't
want
to
defend
that,
but
I
would
just
it's
we're
saying
it's
so
clear-cut
between
the
two
and
I.
Don't
I
think
we're
looking
for
options,
we're
looking
for
options
on
how
to
how
to
help
landlords
who
have
this
problem
to
solve
this
problem
and
not
wanting
to
put
additional
charges
on
I
mean
I,
think
that's
kind
of
what
the
subtext
I'm
getting
from
a
lot
of
the
commentary
is
like
some
landlords
are
up
charging
people
or
doing
something.
H
K
Can
I
help
make
a
distinction
between
the
between
PG
e
and
cons
service?
Is
that
PG
e
is
the
utility
provider
they
provide
electricity
and
natural
gas?
Conservice
is
not
a
utility
provider,
they
don't
provide
the
water,
they
don't
provide
the
sewage,
they
don't
provide
the
trash
services.
That's
typically
the
city
right.
They
are
passed
through
they're
at
they're,
a
middleman
that
collects
the
funds
from
the
tenants
and
gives
them
to
the
landlord.
So
the
landlord
can
pay
their
bills
or
pays
the
bills
on
behalf
of
the
landlord.
K
So
that
is
the
distinction
that
they
are
not
a
utility
provider.
Pg
e
is
a
utility
provider
that
cannot
be
regulated
by
this
body.
You
know
we
don't
have
you
know
this.
Rhc
does
not
have
the
authority
to
regulate
PG
e.
They
do,
however,
have
the
ability
to
regulate.
You
do
have
the
ability
to
regulate
landlords
and
how
landlords
build
their
utilities.
J
And
I
think
I
would
just
like
to
see
that,
within
the
context
of
the
other
jurisdictions
and
what
they've
decided
and
how
they
might
be
operating
if
they're
operating
around
that
and
I
I
could
also
say
that,
like
there
are
third
part,
there
are
middlemen
providers
of
utilities
like
for
internet
and
for
utilities
actually
like
who
who
try
to
get
your
renewable
energy
from
different
sources,
but
they're
actually
sitting
on
top
of
the
real
providers.
So
they
are
middlemen
that
you're
paying
I
mean
again.
It's
well.
G
J
Some
of
that
I
think
is
legal
interpretation.
I
think
what
I'm
saying
is
like
that
other
jurisdictions
are
making
different
interpretations
and
we
are
presenting
it
here
as
as
fact,
and
that
that
it
can't
be
worked
around
and
and
I'm
I
could
be
wrong.
I'm,
not
a
legal
professional
but
other
if
other
jurisdictions
are
finding
a
way
I'd
like
those
options
to
be
available
to
us.
A
A
tenant
right
now
signing
a
leaps
that
has
rubs
billing
in
it
may
or
may
not
have
that
disclosure
made
to
them
at
time
of
lease
signing,
so
they
didn't
knowingly
contract
with
conservice
or
anybody.
Whoever
is
doing
the
rubs.
There
are
other
comedies
out
there,
so
they
may
or
may
not
actually
know
that.
That's
how
they're
being
built
so
I
wonder
if
that's
also
a
component
of
it
and
maybe
Karen
or
Nas,
might
have
thoughts
on
that.
G
Well,
I
think
that's
part
of
a
component
of
it.
I
want
to
say
the
other
part
of
the
component
and
I
think
you
heard
this
from
Committee
Member
Ramos
is.
It
is
a
pretty
impenetrable
system
for
the
tenant
to
figure
out
what
they're
being
billed
for
and
how
they're
being
built,
whereas
you
know
you
get
your
PG
e
bill
you
and
see
how
many
units
you
used,
what
it
cost
per
unit.
G
F
I
got
quotes
in
like
20
minutes
of
a
thousand
two
hundred
to
five
thousand
per
unit.
I
know
some
that,
for
me,
is
a
lot
of
money
and
I
don't
know.
Maybe
it
might
be
oh
and
then
I
got
some
other
quotes
as
well
as
that,
even
sometimes
the
organization
or
the
company,
the
PG
e
or
the
gas
companies
may
even
do
it
for
free
because
they
know
they're
going
to
get
an
individual
because
they're
going
to
get
more
customers.
F
F
F
F
It
was
basically
the
same
thing
as
we
were
here
in
this
csfra
that
every
month
you
would
go
in,
you
would
get
your
mail
and
you
will
have
a
surprise
of
like
500
more
that
you
needed
to
pay
so
I
believe
a
conservice
is
just
a
third
party
that
that
allows
for
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
or
I,
don't
know
a
way
for
for
tenants
and
landlords
to
feel
that
the
process
is
not
fair.
This
isn't
that
transparent.
You
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
get
the
next
month.
A
J
Yeah
I'll
try
to
be
short,
but
I
mean
I.
Think
for
for
the
more
that
we
can
try
to
in
stakeholder
meetings
like
get
get
expert,
let
not
testimony
but
just
input.
You
know
maybe
conservice
who
again
I,
don't
know
and
have
no
feeling
towards.
Maybe
they
have
an
option
that
that
allows
for
more
transparency
in
the
building,
but
some
landlords
have
been.
You
know
like
haven't
turned
on
that
option
or
or
something
like
that.
J
If
the
issue
is
transparency,
you
know
then
then,
like
perhaps
that
could
be
solved
through
the
current
system.
I
think
if
the
issue,
the
issue,
that
I'm
more
more
concerned
with
I
think
is
just
predictability:
I
think
there
are
certain
utilities
that
are
unpredictable
over
time
and
we're
putting
landlords,
even
the
ones
who
are
trying
best
to
Bill
we're
putting
them
in
a
bad
spot.
J
So
I
I'd,
wonder
if
we,
if
we
do
say
that
it's
rent
and
that
this
is
the
only
option,
that's
that
they
have
is
that
it
has
to
be
included
or
done
across
everybody.
It
can't
be
metered,
yeah
I'd
want
to
separate
that
to
Karen.
Thank
you
for
your
point
that
that,
like
there's
different
issues
and
transparency
is
definitely
one
of
them,
but
that
predictability
I
think,
is
one
that's
going
to
be
harder
to
solve.
J
For
specifically,
if
we,
if
we
Implement
a
three
percent
or
sorry
the
a
the
AGI
increase,
you
know
again,
you
have
a
cold
winter
and,
and
it
could,
the
the
cost
could
go
well
above
the
AGI
and
then
who
who
sits
with
that
responsibility.
So
to
summarize
yeah
just
how
can
we
actually
reach
out
to
somebody
at
Khan
somebody
who
is
a
almost
a
rubs
expert
on
the
options
for
billing
and
what
we
talked
about
before
about
the
legal
ramifications
of
like?
H
A
Probably,
if
I
may
make
a
suggestion
for
as
the
research
is
ongoing,
I
think
it
might
make
sense
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
do
have
Capital
Improvement
petitions
now
to
look
at
approximate
costs.
If
people
did
want
to
convert
to
an
individual
metering
system,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
plenty
of
research
in
that
direction
needs
to
take
into
account
some
of
the
concerns
Beyond.
Just
like
lifting
a
meter
out
and
putting
one
in
around
things
like.
A
H
E
A
Any
other
questions
okie
dokie,
since
there
are
no
more
questions.
I
now
invite
public
comments.
Would
any
member
of
the
public
on
the
line
like
to
provide
comment
on
this
item.
So
please
click
the
raise
hand,
button
and
zoom
or
press
star
9
on
your
phone
staff
will
display
a
countdown
timer
on
the
screen
and,
let's
promote
Joan
to
a
speaker
role.
L
A
A
A
H
So
at
the
end
of
February,
the
city
council
is
holding
interviews
for
potential
rental
housing
committee
members.
They
could
appoint
certain
members
immediately
because
there
are
vacancies
currently
and
then
there's
two
members
that
are
termed
out
in
April,
so
those
will
then
be
replaced
in
April.
So,
okay.
F
A
A
A
D
H
This
this
topic
was
first
discussed
in
City
Council
in
2019.
There
was
a
study
session
and
we've
picked
up
the
pace
where
we
left
it
off
during
covet,
but
we've
been
doing
ongoing
displacement
response
work
and
this
this
last
month
and
the
coming
month
are
dedicated
to
quite
a
few
stakeholder
meetings.
Vote
for
tenants,
landlords
developers,
non-profit
developers.
H
H
So
the
main
topics
of
these
discussions
are
about
residents
that
are
displaced
when
Redevelopment
happens,
and
it
is
a
fact
that
Redevelopment
is
happening.
That
is,
let
us
not
preventable,
but
the
goal
is
to
support
residents
either
staying
in
the
unit
or
in
the
city
and
achieve
the
city,
values
of
inclusivity,
diversity,
affordability,
availability,
accessibility,
equity
and
fair
housing,
and
so
this
these
discussions
provide
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
explore
policies
and
programs
to
prevent,
mitigate
or
respond
to
displacement
to
keep
existing
residents
in
Mountain
View.
H
A
E
If
they
have
been
displaced,
if
they
were
in
danger
being
displaced,
they
want
to
know
what
your
experience
is
like
to
see
how
they
can
find
solutions
to
to
Alleve
it
or
or
or
make
it
easier
for
you
to
stay
in
Mountain
View,
so
I
encourage
everyone
to
to
to
reach
out
to
the
housing
department,
that's
working
on
the
strategy
and
and
set
up
a
meeting
they
they
really
want
to
hear
from
as
many
people
as
possible
to
come
up
with
a
robust
policy
yeah.
Thank
you.
H
A
C
So,
of
course,
we
are
still
continuing
our
housing
and
eviction
help
center.
We
have
this
every
first
and
third
Thursday
of
the
month.
It
is
at
the
Mountain
View
Public
Library
we're
on
the
second
floor
program
room.
So
if
you
get
off
the
elevator
or
head
up
the
stairs,
we're
off
to
the
right
all
the
way
down
at
the
end
room
there
at
the
program
room
and
we're
there
from
one
to
five
PM.
C
If
you
cannot
come
in
person,
you
can
join
us
virtually
at
mountainview.gov
eviction
help
clinics
and
we
help
tenants
and
landlords
in
Mountain,
View,
navigate
all
sorts
of
issues,
including
different
Housing,
Programs,
affordable
housing,
rent
assistance,
any
covid
relief
programs
that
are
still
available.
We
provide
help
for
people,
who've
received
eviction,
notices
or
landlords
who
are
interested
in
serving
eviction
notices.
We
have
on-site
legal
assistance
and
then
we
have
other
General,
Community,
Resources
and
information
about
food
distribution.
C
Other
types
of
financial
assistance,
assistance,
mediation,
homelessness,
prevention
and
much
more
I
do
want
to
make
a
special
note
that
if
you
are
a
landlord
and
you
are
having
trouble,
registering
your
property
and
you
need
help
and
you
need
in-person
help.
Please
come
to
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
do
that
process
with
you
there.
So
we
will
have
one
this
Thursday.
C
All
right
other
places
that
you
can
get
help
is
our
weekly
Virtual
Office
hours.
So
we
have
those
every
Tuesday
from
10
a.m
to
12
p.m.
They
are
on
Zoom.
You
can
find
us
at
mountainview.gov
RSP
office
hours,
and
it
is
just
open
to
any
rent
stabilization
topic
that
you
can
think
of
so
just
come
in
with
your
questions
and
we'll
have
a
private
one-on-one
with
you.
There
we're
also
holding
some
workshops
coming
up
in
February,
so
you
can
come
to
our
property
registration
workshops.
We
have
some
that
are
zoo
and.
C
Hybrid,
so
our
next
Workshop
is
Tuesday
February
7th.
So
that's
next
week
we
also
have
one
February
21st
at
1
pm.
Those
are
both
on
Zoom
only
and
then
we
have
our
hybrid
meetings,
so
we'll
have
one
Thursday
February
9th
at
10
A.M
and
one
on
February
23rd
at
3,
P.M
and
those
are
hybrid
in
person
at
the
library
in
the
second
floor
program,
room
and
also
on
Zoom
and
then
finally,
for
our
February
housing
intervention,
Help
Center
Workshop.
C
We
will
have
a
guest
speaker
from
the
city
of
mountain
View's
housing
department,
who
will
talk
about
and
show
a
little
tutorial
about,
applying
for
below
market
rate
and
affordable
housing,
so
that
will
be
during
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center
February
16th
at
4
pm
in
the
Mountain
View
public
library
or
you
can
join
virtually
online
and
our
staff
continues
to
do
Outreach
with
other
community
organizations.
So
we
will
be
at
Kestrel,
Miss
straw
school
on
Wednesday
February
15th
from
two
to
four
doing
Outreach.
C
We
actually
pass
out
many
flyers
for
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center,
and
we
have
seen
a
ton
of
community
members
who
we've
reached
out
at
those
Outreach
events
directly
then
come
into
the
housing
and
eviction
help
center
to
receive
assistance.
So
that's
great
all
right
and
that
concludes
the
upcoming
workshops.
Oh
cannot
forget
that
our
staff,
we
teamed
up
with
the
Multicultural
engagement
program
and
attended
the
Mountain
View
Lunar
New
Year
celebration
this
past
weekend.
I
was
very
sad.
I
did
not
get
to
go,
I
was
not
in
town,
but
it
looked.
F
A
A
I
quickly
wanted
to
congratulate
Vice,
chair
Ramos
for
her
wonderful
appointment
to
the
city
council,
which
I
believe
becomes
effective
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
maybe
so
that
she
could
still
attend
our
meeting
tonight
and
have
her
meeting
and
my
meeting
be
our
last
meeting
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
on
the
committee
and
staff
and
everyone
in
the
public
that
I've
worked
with.
I
really
have
enjoyed
my
time
with
the
committee.
E
A
E
E
You
you
on
Anki
Andrea,
Patricia,
Joanne
nazanine,
who
joined
us
more
recently
and
and
miss
Karen
who
came
to
us
since
the
beginning
and
Justin
way
back
when
went
with
Miss,
Karen
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
few
more
I,
just
can't
think
of
them
right
now
and
I'm.
So
sorry,
but
but
I
I,
think
so
highly
of
our
staff.
E
For
the
the
rent
stabilization
program,
you
have
done
incredible
work,
keeping
people
from
being
evicted,
keeping
people
in
their
homes
and
when
we
had
the
pandemic,
you
kept
people
alive
because
you
were
able
to
keep
people
in
their
homes.
So
you
have
done
incredible.
Work.
I
am
honored
to
have
worked
with
you.
I
will
take
the
lessons
I've
learned
here
into
you
know
my
new
position
and
I
hope
to
make
you
all
proud,
Committee
Member
grenwald
we
were
here.
E
E
So
much
has
changed
within
our
committee
in
just
such
a
short
six
years,
I
will
be
I
will
be
checking
in
on
y'all,
just
just
just
for
nostalgia's
sake,
maybe
bring
cookies
since
we'll
be
back
in
person,
sometimes
and
I'm
I'm
very
proud
of
the
work
we
did
together.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
Susan,
Guadalupe
I
am
I'm
excited
for
your
iconic
Duo.
For
the
next
couple
months,
it'll
be
it'll,
be
fun.
E
F
Yes,
please
check
in
on
all
of
us,
because
I
know
I
need
it.
I
may
even
have
to
like
you
know,
email,
you
and
say:
hey
I
need
your
help,
but
but
it
definitely
has
been
a
wonderful
experience
being
with
all
of
you
here
and,
of
course,
last
but
not
least,
and
the
reason
why
I
left
left
at
last
is
because
I'm
very
very
happy
to
know
that
Vice
chair
Ramos,
has
been
appointed
to
the
city
council.
F
F
D
D
Let
us
know
what
you're
up
to
Nicole
I'll
I'll
check
it
in
with
you
once
in
a
while,
and
thanks
for
having
the
all
all
of
your
both
of
you
brought
very
different
type
of
skills
and
experience
to
this
committee
and
we've
been
I've
benefited
a
lot
from
it.
The
staff
already
knows
that
I
love
them
so
I'm
going
to
keep
it
short
before
I
get
choked
up
good.
M
A
A
All
right
now
I
believe
if
we
don't
have
any
other
comments.
Vice
chairman,
are
you
raising
your
hand
for
comments?
Then
we
will
adjourn
this
meeting
at
9.
35
pm.
The
next
rental
housing
committee
meeting
will
be
is
scheduled
to
be
held
on
Monday
February
27th
2023
at
7
00
PM,
Pacific
Time.
Thank
you.
Everybody.
It's
been
truly
an
honor
to
serve
with
you.
I
have
a
fantastic
night.