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B
C
D
A
Also,
here
all
right-
and
next
is
the
minutes-
approval
and
I
think
John
sent
those
out
for
November
for
the
November
first
meeting.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
the
minutes?
Well,
it's
like
it's
first
technically
is
there
any
public
comment
on
the
minutes.
B
Give
me
one
second
to
increase
my
screen
here.
Let's
see
anyone
wishing
to
comment
on
the
minutes,
please
raise
your
hand
or
hit
star
six
I'm,
not
seeing
anyone.
Okay,.
A
By
Mary
was
that,
okay,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
any
abstentions.
All
right
the
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
passes
item
four
is
upcoming
agenda
topics
John.
If
you
wanted
to
just
briefly
go
through.
A
We
did
receive
a
piece
of
mail
from
a
member
of
the
public
about
the
busking
ordinance,
which
is
not
on
the
agenda,
yet
I
think
it
was
phrases
when
it
comes
up.
Please
consider
this
and
there
was
another
issue:
I
think
about
Castro
Street,
that
the
writer
addressed
but
John
any
any
idea
when
these
are
going
to
start
coming
up.
B
Very
good,
very
good
question,
so,
on
the
let's
start,
with
at
least
what
has
been
on
the
agenda
for
a
little
bit,
which
is
busking
and
music
in
downtown,
your
staff
has
been
doing
some
research
on
street
performers
and
understanding
ordinances
in
other
communities.
I
have
a
lot
of
benchmarking
on
that.
So
I
think
it's
very
well
positioned
to
have
the
dialogue.
B
This
would
need
to
be
really
tackled
when
the
phase
two
precise
plan
of
downtown
is
going
to
be
discussed,
phase
one
is
going
to
council
this
evening
and
I
believe
there
will
be
some
direction
to
start
phase
two
quickly,
so
that
should
marry
up
more
nicely
with
that,
but
your
staff
has
done
a
lot
of
research
in
other
communities
that
do
allow
it
and
what
are
the
parameters
that
allow
it
as
well
as
basically
sound
or
music?
What
are
the
kind
of
decibel
levels?
B
B
Then,
on
the
Castro
Bikeway
feasibility
that
will
be
coming
in
February
2023
to
this
committee,
so
that's
actually
your
next
meeting,
you
will
not
have
a
meeting
in
January.
So
the
next
meeting
you
will
hear
that
item
and
then
just
as
kind
of
an
ongoing
topic,
a
standing
topic.
You
have
general
maintenance
and
cleanliness
of
downtown
last
week
before
the
rains
and
more
leaves
falling.
B
The
parks
team
did
a
massive
cleanup
of
the
street
only
to
have
a
lot
of
leaves
fall
again.
We
also
have
been
steadily
removing
broken
pieces
of
furniture,
sure
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
are
starting
to
I
should
say
we
continue
to
push
on
cleaning
that
up
and
then
another
item
I
wanted
to
talk
about
real.
Briefly
on
this
is
in
having
conversations
with
PD.
B
Another
topic
that
have
been
brought
up
that
is
working
behind
the
scenes
has
to
do
with
the
hot
dog
vendors
that
are
appearing
in
the
evening
time
on
the
weekends
and
so
I'm.
Having
some
conversations
about
what
can
be
done,
there
are
some
Law
changes
that
make
it
really
difficult
to
address
some
of
these
issues,
so
we
may
need
to
work
it
more
from
a
public
health
perspective,
so
starting
to
do
some
work
on
that
background.
E
Last
night,
though,
we
went
to
the
tree
lighting
ceremony,
which
was
fun.
It
was
nice
to
see
it
expanded
into
the
Street
and
I
have
more
opportunity
for
people
to
interact
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
E
I
noticed
there
was
a
street
vendor
outside
the
edge
of
the
area
that
was
blocked
off
and
and
this
individual
was
selling
a
little
lighted,
balloon
things
and,
of
course
little
kids
had
them,
and
then
they
were
tripping
over
them
and
tripping
other
people.
But
that's
beside
the
point.
So
do
we
have
a
an
ordinance
on
impromptu,
Street,
vendors.
B
We
have
a
vendor
policy
that
does
require
an
active
business
license,
as
well
as
a
vendor
mobile
permit,
as
well
as
providing
specific
insurance
to
operate
this.
This
is
in
line
with
the
hot
dog
vending.
There
is
a
process
for
it,
but
to
actually
monitor
it
in
a
force
that
it
is
extremely
difficult,
but
there
is
a
process
and
a
requirement
that
does
require
them
to
get
a
business
license
as
well
as
submit
for
a
mobile
vending
permit
oftentimes.
E
F
What
is
the
law
if
I
just
may
ask,
is
that
the
one
that
the
Newsome
passed,
that
all
vendors
should
not
be
touched
I
mean
Street
vendors?
Is
that
correct,
yeah,
okay
and
there's
no
way
around
that
Hall
I
mean
like
it's
just
what
you
said
from
a
health
perspective?
That's
when
you
can,
you
can
I
mean
address
it
or
try
to
address
it.
That
way
for.
B
Tonight
so
know
that
you
know,
one
of
the
challenges
is
a
business
should
be
able
to
present
their
business
license
and
when
asked,
but
trying
to
enforce
and
not
view
it
being
as
targeting
populations
is
a
challenge
and
it
can
kind
of
conflicts
with
the
law.
So
that's
where
we
may
have
to
take
a
different
approach
and
make
sure
that
food
vendors,
if
they
are
operating,
are
appropriately
licensed,
and
that
may
be
the
way
to
solve
it.
G
A
H
B
We
we
could
I,
it
still
is
a
challenge
for
enforcement,
but
that's
certainly
something
worth
to
to
discuss
in
just
a
not
wanting
to
get
too
far
off
the
agenda
topic,
which
is
really
topics
for
the
agenda.
This
isn't
really
a
chance
for
discussion
because
we
didn't
notice
it,
but
these
were
kind
of
the
follow-up
updates,
so
this
is
under
the
general
guise
of
general
maintenance
and
cleanliness,
and
following
back
up
on
a
prior
item
that
was
raised
by
this
committee,
thank.
F
You
I
just
want
to
also
add
to
that.
Maybe
another
a
way
to
address
it
is
via
Social
Services
because
they
bring
their
kids
there
and
the
kids
are
late
and
they're
in
the
middle
of
all
the
bustle.
You
know
they're
selling
alcohol
out
of
those
little
containers
that
they
carry
so
I,
don't
know,
maybe
that
helps
as
well,
but
it's
yeah
and
also
they're
becoming
between
each
other.
F
So
now
that
they're
Territorial
and
a
new
hot
dog
guy
came
in
I
think
a
couple
of
weekends
ago
and
they
literally
broke
his
cart
and
you
know
I
mean
basically
shove
them
out
of
their
territory
like
so
that
he
had
to
go
to
a
whole
nother
Corner.
A
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
this
is
this,
isn't
an
agendaized
item,
so
we
really
shouldn't
be
talking
about
it
or
doing
any
sort
of
action
or
Direction.
So
it
will
come
up
at
some
point
in
the
future.
I
Thank
you.
John
I
actually
wanted
to
comment
on
the
previous
agenda
item
and
this
one.
So
if
I
might
just
piggyback
list,
the
I
had
a
question
about
the
Bikeway
study,
as
somebody
who's
really
paying
attention
to.
What's
going
on
there
for
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
and
others
understand
what
that
is
about
and
I
think
it's
about
south
of
California
between
California
and
El
Camino,
not
biking
in
The,
Pedestrian
Mall.
If
that
could
be
clarified,
that'd
be
great
and
I
wanted
to
comment
on
the
busking
thing.
I
I
know
that
you're
going
to
be
discussing
it
later,
but
just
for
your
consideration.
I
talked
with
somebody
who's
interested
in
talking
with
outfits
like
Monte
Carlo,
to
see
if
they
could
use
that
space
during
their
their
off
hours
for
entertainment.
That's
an
interesting
idea:
it
used
to
be
a
movie
theater,
so
that
could
be
appealing.
For
that
reason,
if
nothing
else
and
also
engaging
the
Performing
Arts
committee,
which
my
understanding
they
pretty
much
just
deal
with,
the
Performing
Arts
Center
and
I've
talked
with
them
before
about
expanding
their
scope.
I
So
they
would
cover
things
like
busking
and
like
the
Monte
Carlo
venue,
and
things
like
that,
I,
don't
really
understand
why
they
need
to
be
confined
to
the
Performing
Arts
Center.
Now,
on
the
next
agenda
item
and
I
got
to
get
to
my
notes.
Sorry
I
had
three
things
I
wanted
to
mention,
so
one
is
I
want
to
ask
a
request
and
John.
I
Maybe
I
already
sent
you
an
email
on
this,
but
I
wanted
to
request
that
in
the
agenda
files,
if
you
could
adjust
the
zoom,
the
URL
so
that
it
includes
the
the
meeting
ID
city
council
is
doing
this
and
some
other
advisory
bodies
are
doing
it
too.
So
you
could
look
at
city
council
agenda
files
for
a
model.
That's
a
request.
I
The
I've
been
looking
at
delivery
bikes
that
are
basically
e-bikes
with
delivery
functions,
they're
very
interesting
and
for
the
pdds
I've
talked
about
this
before
the
pdd's
on
the
slide.
Walk
from
a
pedestrian
perspective
want
to
eliminate
that,
so
the
delivery
bikes
out
on
the
street
seem
really
appealing
so
I'm,
just
bringing
that
up
and
I'll
just
be
one
more
voice
saying
that
I
don't
like
the
way
the
signals
have
been
activated
at
California
and
Castro
boo.
Okay,
that's
I'm
done
thanks.
A
G
Yeah
that
is
correct
good
morning,
everyone.
There
wasn't
many
substantial
changes,
actually
just
updated
the
name
to
one
of
the
items
there
on
number
17,
but
there
is
no
new
updates
to
the
development
list.
G
I
also
want
to
highlight,
similarly
to
to
John.
Earlier
today
we
will
be
having
the
downtown
precise
plan
go
to
city
council
today,
and
so
that's
an
FYI
for
everyone
and
a
project
that
may
be
a
entrance
entrance
to
the
downtown
committee,
even
though
it's
not
being
taken
on
by
planning,
it
is
being
done
by
Public.
J
G
Is
the
public
safety
headquarters?
It's
a
CIP
project
which
would
developing
a
public
safety
headquarters
of
the
current
downtown
site.
Council
recently
provided
Direction
on
the
preferred
site
layout
to
proceed
into
the
schematic
design
process
and
again
this
is
being
done
by
public
work.
So
that's
about
all
the
information.
A
A
That
Edgar
real,
quick
question
I
should
know
the
answer
to
this
and
I.
Don't
because
I
didn't
read
the
city
council
agenda.
The
item
on
the
precise
plan
phase
one
tonight
is
that
adoption
of
a
new
precise
plan
is
it
more
about
scoping?
Is
it
what
What's
the
real
gist
of?
What's
on
the
agenda
tonight,
yeah.
G
So
that
would
be
an
update
to
areas
a
g
and
H
Theory
I
believe
I
I
gave
a
presentation
on
it,
maybe
two
months
ago
or
so,
or
it
might
have
been
August
actually
right
before
we
took
it
into
a
Planning
Commission
in
September.
But
it's
really
to
update
the
design
standards
and
guidelines.
G
Downtown
has
multiple
guidelines
and
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
Elevate
many
of
those
guidelines
into
standards,
mainly
at
trying
to
address
activation
in
downtown
by
we
have
designed
and
as
John
highlights,
phase
two
will
be
a
more
holistic
approach.
It
hasn't
necessarily
been
approved
by
by
Council
for
say,
or
they
haven't
necessarily
given
us
a
date
on
when
phase
two.
J
G
That
usually
happens
around
the
holidays,
where
everything
slow
down
but
I'm
sure
our
Building
Division.
The
building
team
will
see
a
lot
more
because
our
building
code
is
is
changing
this
year,
so
they'll
be
busy
planning.
You
probably
won't
until
January.
A
Okay,
Pamela.
E
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
on
some
of
the
storefront
improvements,
facade
improvements.
It
seems
like
some
of
these
have
been
stalled
for
a
while
or
whatever,
for
example,
a
line
item
number
nine
that
shows
it
was
approved,
December,
9th
2020
and
it
says,
building
plans
under
review.
E
Do
we
know
anything
more
about
some
of
these
and
there's
there's
no
dates
on
them,
so
some
of
them
don't
have
dates.
So
you
don't
really
know
like
number
10,
you
don't
know
when
was
that
approved
or
when
did
that
process
start,
because
it
seems
like
some
of
these
processes
are
so
long
right.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
can
double
check,
particularly
on
on
the
ones
from
2020,
but
oftentimes.
What
happens
is
when
an
applicant
submits
they
may
get
entitlements
and
I
know
the
pandemic
came
around
and
it's
been
very
difficult
for
them
to
get
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
they
need
to
to
actually
construct.
That
sometimes
seems
to
be
a.
G
H
G
E
Well,
I,
don't
want
to
make
extra
work
for
you,
so
perhaps
on
the
next
go
around,
which
would
be
in
February
2023
for
our
normally
scheduled
meeting.
Perhaps
you
can
give
a
little
bit
better
time
frames
or
or
updates
on
some
of
these.
You
know
I
hear
hear
people
say
why
well
you're
on
the
downtown
committee.
How
come
nothing
speaking
just
like
I,
don't
know.
G
Okay,
I
would
gladly
do
a
scrub
through
away
I
know.
We've
had
a
few
planners
who
who
have
left
the
city.
So
hopefully
it's
not
some
that
are
just
lingering
around
there.
They
haven't
been
updated,
but
yes
for
February
I
will
do
a
scrub
through
all.
E
Of
this
okay,
that
would
be
wonderful
and
then
the
last
one
is
number
five
701
West
Evelyn,
that's
the
marwood
property
and
it
states
a
criminal
application
for
the
alternative
parking
agreement
was
submitted
on
March
9th
2022
I
know
there
was
some
potential
affiliation
with
the
Hope
Street
project,
but
I
guess
that
one,
the
Robert
Greene
number
two.
That's
that
definitely
is
not
going
to
happen.
E
B
B
That
one
could
still
happen.
We
are
in
conversations.
A
lot
will
depend
on
what
happens
in
the
next
three
weeks.
B
They
did
lose
their
planning
and
entitlement
it
did
expire,
so
they
will
need
to
refile
for
that.
There's
another
complexity
to
their
project
regarding
what
will
trigger
the
Surplus
lands
act,
beginning
January,
1
2023.
So
there
are
several
moving
pieces
in
that
project
and
we
understand
they
are
working
to
get
some
commitments
in
which,
if
they
are
able
to
do
that,
project
will
still
be
able
to
potentially
move
forward
in
the
fashion
that
it
was
envisioned.
A
B
Not
dead,
yet
they
don't
have
a
plenty
entitlement,
so
they
definitely
need
to
secure
that
the
other
major
Milestone
right
now
it
has
to
do
with
closing
escrow
on
leases,
and,
if
that
happens,
that
may
avoid
Surplus
lands
act.
If
that
does
not
happen
in
timely
fashion,
it
will
trigger
a
surplus
lands
act,
which
is
a
whole
other
process
that
may
result
in
their
project
not
being
able
to
move
forward
or
may
it
it's.
B
K
E
Okay,
stay
tuned
and
then
number
five,
the
marwood
project
on
Evelyn
701,
West,
Evelyn,.
G
So
that
one
it's
month
and
then
it
is
going
forward,
I
I,
think
many
of
the
projects
in
in
downtown
as
John
highlights
are
a
little
bit
in
limbo,
not
necessarily
because
of
entitlement
some
of
these,
but
a
lot
of
these
projects
would
likely
fall
under
assembly
bill
2097.
G
assembly
Bill
2097
is
no
parking
minimums
state
law
that
would
be
in
effect
in
January,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
projects
are
holding
back
and
really
seeing
how
this
is
going
to
play
out
starting
in
January,
so
that
that's
that's
also
I
think
welcome
back
some
of
these
projects
so
they're
taking
a
wait
and
see
approach.
A
It
so
sort
of
an
interesting
aside
that
seeing
the
development,
Community.
H
A
B
I
might
just
be
able
to
State
on
the
Nick
the
Greek
application
they
did
file
for
an
extension.
They
are
actively
trying
to
get
that
figured
out.
There
was
a
sewer
and
water
issue,
so
there's
been
significant
civil
engineering
work
that
has
had
to
be
done
so
that
project
is
certainly
working
and
is
active
and
have
been
in
a
lot
of
communication
with
them
most
recently.
B
So
there
they
are
trying
to
resolve
a
sewer
water
issue
in
order
for
that
project
to
to
move
forward,
and
they
have
estimated
for
an
extension
for
their
planning
entitlement
which
will
allow
them
to
get
their
building
entitlement.
B
B
This
is
me,
and
it's
will
be
a
very
brief
update,
as
I
already
shared
with
you,
staff
has
been
busy
doing
a
lot
of
maintenance
and
cleaning.
The
other
key
thing
wanted
to
share
with
the
committee.
Is
this
week
Thursday
at
4
P.M,
the
council
ad,
the
council
ad
hoc
committee
on
the
Castro
Pedestrian
Mall,
will
be
having
their
second
official
meeting
from
4
to
6
p.m.
That
is
this
Thursday.
B
They
are
discussing
and
getting
into
the
functional
plan,
and
this
is
something
that
this
committee
had
already
seen,
that
ad
hoc
committee
will
be
getting
into
that
topic
on
this
Thursday
and
then
just
to
share
with
all
of
you.
If
you
haven't
seen
already
a
couple
days
ago,
kiwi
company
did
open
their
first
retail
location.
They
have
been
a
mountain
view
for
a
very
long
time.
I
have
predominantly
or
exclusively
operated
within
the
online
Arena,
and
this
is
their
first
retail
store.
F
A
Okay,
all
right
and
is
there
any
public
input
anybody
in
the
public
like
to
address
items
raised
in
6.2.
L
A
B
So
I'm
promoting
some
individuals,
so
a
layer
with
our
planning,
team
and
and
Consultants
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
moved
over.
The
consultant
team
am
I
missing.
B
All
right,
I
think
we're
ready
to
go.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Elia.
That
gets,
kicked
off
and
start
the
conversation
all.
M
Right
good
morning,
everyone-
and
this
is
Ella
karachian
and
I'm-
the
planning
manager
at
the
city
working
on
the
historic
preservation
update.
The
city,
as
you
know,
is
updating
the
historic
preservation,
ordinance
and
register,
and
we
kicked
out
the
project
in
summer
and
it's
going
to
be
finished
by
2024..
M
We
are
working
with
our
consultant,
Paige
and
Turnbull
and
which
are
present
here
today
and
to
just
give
you
a
brief
presentation
and
a
update
of
the
whole
project,
schedule
the
project
tasks
and
everything,
and
we
are
seeking
feedback
from
you
all
and
that
would
be
great
and
to
get
that
feedback
early
in
the
process
by
that
I
will
turn
it
to
Christina
and
Hannah
to
go
over
the
presentation.
K
N
Ella
I
have
a
short
presentation,
as
she
said:
we're
just
going
to
go
over
high
level.
What
this
project
that
we're
working
on
entails
and
then
we
have
a
series
of
questions
on
one
slide.
At
the
end,
seeking
your
feedback,
you
can
respond
to
any
of
them
and,
as
Ella
said,
we're
just
trying
to
get
some
early
input
as
we
start
to
really
get
into
the
scope
of
this
project.
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
here
and.
M
G
K
N
Oh
here
we
go
how's
that
yes,
yeah
got
it;
okay,
great
so
just
to
get
started.
Why
is
a
historic
resource,
ordinance
and
register
update
necessary?
There
are
a
number
of
reasons.
N
One
is
that
there
was
an
earlier
historic
resources
survey
that
occurred
in
2008,
but
there
are
potentially
new
areas
and
themes
of
significance
that
may
not
have
been
considered,
then
that
we'd
like
to
consider
now
there's
also
more
properties
that
have
become
age
eligible.
This
means
that
there's
a
threshold
of
of
50
years,
that's
considered
for
the
national
register
of
historic
places
and
the
California
register
of
historical
resources
to
be
considered
potentially
historically
significant.
I
know
lots
of
people
are
always
like
I'm
50.
How
can
that
be
historic?
N
But
here
we
are
we're
looking
at
buildings
that
were
constructed
in
the
1970s
and
so
we're
trying
to
catch
up
to
any
properties
that
may
have
become
50
years
old
since
2008
state
law,
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act,
requires
evaluation
of
potential
impacts
to
eligible
historic
resources,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
identify
historic
resources
throughout
the
city
that
will
help
in
that
process.
If
there
are
projects
that
require
environmental
review,
this
project
will
provide
more
clarity
and
certainty
on
what
historic
resources
exist.
N
In
Mountain
View,
it
will
include
a
potential
designation
process
for
local
historic
districts
that
doesn't
currently
exist
in
the
preservation,
ordinance
and
just
additional
clarifications
and
improvements
of
the
ordinance
to
kind
of
get
it
up
to
current
best
practices,
and
so
there
are
various
sections
that
can
be
added
to
the
ordinance
and
additional
information
to
provide
Clarity
on
designation
of
local
historic
properties
and
review
processes
when
there
are
projects
really
associated
with
them
and
so
on.
N
So
our
project
involves
five
different
tasks
and
I'll
have
a
slide
for
each
of
these
there's
Citywide
historic
context,
statement
a
city-wide,
historic
resources
survey,
an
update
to
the
historic
register
and
update
to
the
historic
preservation,
ordinance
and
National
registered
nominations
for
select
Castro
Street
buildings.
N
So
this
is
our
project
schedule
we
started.
In
the
summer
we
had
a
community
Workshop
in
early
September,
we've
been
working
with
focus
groups,
of
which
this
is
one
we're
trying
to
talk
with
different
groups
that
have
vested
interests
in
Mountain
View
into
the
winter.
We
are
starting
to
draft
this
to
our
contact
statement
and
work
on
the
ordinance
update
which
will
be
bringing
to
the
public
in
the
spring.
At
the
same
time,
they'll
be
Community
Workshop.
N
Where
we'll
present
our
findings,
we
will
be
in
the
meantime,
working
on
determining
whether
any
properties
on
Castro
Street
are
eligible
for
the
national
register
I'm
making
those
determinations,
and
if
we
do
find
that
some
R
will
continue
with
drafting
National
register
nominations.
N
We're
looking
to
up
to
adopt
the
historic
context,
statement
and
ordinance
next
year
fall
and
then
we'll
be
conducting
the
city-wide
survey,
which
we'll
be
wrapping
up
in
the
winter
and
then
hoping
that
all
of
the
project
will
be
complete
by
spring
of
2024..
So
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
a
lot
of
different
moving
Parts,
but
it's
very
exciting.
We're
happy
to
be
help
here
in
helping
the
city
of
Mountain
View.
N
So
a
little
bit
more
about
each
of
these
different
project
tasks.
Historic
context
statement
is
a
history
of
the
physical
development
of
a
place.
It
includes
different
time
periods
and
it's
organized
by
themes
and
patterns.
N
It's
really
focused
on
physical
development
of
a
city,
so
it
identifies
property
types
and
requirements
for
historic
designation
in
relation
to
those
historic
themes,
and
these
documents
are
helpful
in
a
pro
it's
a
it's
really
a
planning
tool
so
that
decision,
making
bodies,
planning
staff,
property
owners
and
residents
Architects
architectural
historians
and
SQL
Consultants
have
a
framework
for
understanding
the
physical
development
history
of
Mountain
View
and
how
to
look
at
potential
historic
resources
using
the
same
Baseline
information.
N
So
some
significant
historic
themes
will
be
identified
and
these
include
residential
development,
agricultural
development
for
early
Mountain,
View
and
Santa
Clara,
Valley,
commercial
and
Industrial
transportation
and
infrastructure.
K
N
N
So,
city
council
identified
the
nomination
of
eligible
properties
on
Castro
Street
as
a
priority,
so
we've
added
it
to
our
scope
of
work
and
the
way
that
we're
going
to
conduct
this
task
is
that
we
will
visit
Castro
Street,
look
at
potentially
eligible
properties,
commercial
buildings
will
conduct
preliminary
research
and
determinations
of
Eligibility
based
on
the
context
developed
in
the
historic
context
statement,
so
we'll
be
trying
to
identify
if
there
is
individual
historic
significance
for
different
properties
as
well
as
historic
Integrity,
which
means
that
it
hasn't
been
altered
too
much,
and
you
can
still
recognize
it
from
the
time
period
of
its
significance.
N
And
you
really
need
both
significance
and
integrity
to
be
eligible
for
the
national
register.
So
that's
what
we'll
be
determining
in
this
kind
of
first
task
and
if
we
do
identify
commercial
buildings
that
possess
significance
and
integrity,
then
we're
planning
to
move
forward
with
preparing
nominations
and
those
will
go
to
the
California
office
of
historic
preservation.
We'll
work
with
them
to
finalize
the
nominations.
They'll
need
to
get
approved
by
the
state
historical
Resources
Commission,
which
meets
quarterly
and
then
the
Keeper
of
the
national
register,
which
is
within
the
National
Park
Service.
N
Why
is
a
city-wide
survey
needed
the
last
city-wide
survey,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
was
conducted
in
2008,
so
it's
time
for
an
update
of
that
information.
As
I
also
mentioned,
there
are
more
properties.
There
are
now
at
least
50
years
old
that
haven't
previously
been
surveyed
and
they
may
possess
this
work
significance,
and
we
are
also
going
to
look
at
whether
there
are
any
potential
historic
districts,
residential,
commercial
or
otherwise
other
different
types
of
properties
to
conduct
this
we'll
be
doing
a
two-tiered
survey.
This
is
very
common
for
city-wide
surveys.
N
We
will
look,
we'll
drive
every
street
in
Mountain
View
and
look
at
all
properties
are
at
least
45
years
old.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
shelf
life
for
the
survey
effort
using
the
historic
context,
statement,
evaluative
criteria
as
the
basis
of
evaluation.
We
will
then
create
a
list
of
properties
that
appear
like
they
may
may
be
eligible
as
historic
resources
for
local
state
or
national
registers,
and
then
conduct
an
intensive
level
survey.
N
We'll
go
back
out,
look
at
those
properties
more
closely
conduct
a
property,
specific
research
and
then
come
to
our
conclusions.
So,
in
addition
to
those
properties
that
we
identify
in
the
reconnaissance
level,
survey
we'll
also
be
looking
at
all
properties
that
were
documented
in
the
2008
survey
properties
that
are
currently
listed
in
the
Mountain
View
register
of
historic
resources,
as
well
as
area
h
of
the
downtown
precise
plan,
and
that
was
requested
by
the
City
Planning
Department
yeah.
N
N
It
will
likely
address
criteria
and
designation
process
for
local
historic
districts,
which
doesn't
currently
exist
in
the
ordinance
refinements
to
Historic
preservation
incentives,
so
that
there
is
a
benefit
to
being
on
the
register
review
process
for
proposed
projects
involving
historic
properties,
just
clarifying
that
and
the
responsibilities
of
various
review
bodies
involved
and
clarifications
and
updates
to
existing
language
and
process
to
meet
best
practices,
as
I've
mentioned
before.
N
So
we
have
a
handful
of
questions
here
and
any
other
feedback
that
you
would
like
to
provide
to
us
or
questions
that
you
may
have
of
us
in
this
project.
The
four
questions
that
we
have
here
are:
what
do
you
value
about
the
history
and
character
of
Mountain
View
for
the
Downtown
Association?
Are
there
any
businesses
that
you
think
are
significant
to
the
history
of
Mountain
View
we'd
be
interested
to
hear,
particularly
if
you
have
specific
building
addresses
that
you
could
provide
to
us.
So
we
can
take
a
look.
N
What
would
you
like
to
see
this
project
accomplish
and
then
anything
else
you'd
like
to
share
about
historic
preservation,
historic
sites,
the
history
of
Mountain
View?
Anything
else,
that's
important
to
you
and
your
and
your
group.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Actually
there's
a
just
a
couple
of
other
slides
and
then
we
can
go
back
to
that
one,
but
to
find
out
more
and
get
involved,
you
can
contact
Ella.
N
This
is
her
email
address
here
and
we
also
have
an
online
FAQ
about
the
project
and
a
community
survey
which
you
can
access
at
this
link.
You.Gov,
backslash,
historic
and
the
survey
includes
several
other
questions
about
any
knowledge
you
have
about
the
history
of
Mountain,
View
particular
properties
that
we
should
consider
for
historic
significance
and
other
things.
So
we
definitely
welcome
the
feedback
thanks.
B
K
Yeah,
let's
see
here
there
we
go.
B
A
A
A
Idea:
okay:
first:
why
don't
we
open
this
to
any
public
input
on
this
item
before
the
committee
begins
to
discuss.
B
A
B
Have
a
hand,
so
let
me
unmute,
you
Mia,
give
me
one.
Second.
J
Thank
you,
I
was
just
wondering,
since
there
are
a
lot
of
historic
homes
in
downtown,
especially,
but
that
aren't
necessarily
in
area
H,
nor
on
Castro
Street.
J
N
We
will
be
conducting
a
survey
of
the
entire
city,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
every
property,
that
is
at
least
50
45
years
old,
including
residential
neighborhoods,
that
surround
the
downtown
area,
which
often
are
the
older
neighborhoods,
so
we'll
be
considering
property
there
for
both
individual
historic
significance
based
on
the
history
that
is
developed
in
the
historic
context
statement
as
well
as
any
of
if
any
of
those
would
be
eligible
as
a
historic
district
and
often
historic
districts
can
include
clusters
of
buildings
that
may
not
be
individually
significant
on
their
own,
but
together
represent
an
important
aspect
of
the
history
or
development
of
the
city,
often
they're
a
little
bit
more
modest,
but
again
it
kind
of
as
a
group
they
they
present.
A
Thank
you,
Mia
John,
any
other
members,
okay,
we'll
close
public
input
and
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
and
for
any
discussion,
comments
or
response
to
the
questions
that
Christina
has
posed.
I
just
wanted
to
start
off
as
having
worked
on
the
original
historic
preservation
ordinance
in
the
first
part
of
this
this
millennium
and
having
it
being
really
fraught
Casino.
A
A
You
know
the
big
hint
of
government
saying:
okay,
you're,
how
you've
you've
kept
your
property,
so
well
that
it's
now
so
old
that
you
can
no
longer
do
anything
to
it,
because
it's
now
historic
and
I
think
that
is
a
probably
what
most
people
think
about
historic
preservation,
not
what
the
rights
and
benefits
might
be
to
a
property
owner
only
what
they
can
no
longer
do
with
their
property,
and
that's
not
as
rigid
as
it
sounds
either.
So
I
think
talking
about
that.
So
people
really
understand
again
what
the
context
is
in.
A
You
know
for
the
for
the
community
for
property
owners.
So
people
don't
immediately
start
thinking
well,
heck
I,
don't
want
anybody
telling
me
what
I
can
and
cannot
do
with
my
property.
Already
you
know
more
than
they
already
can
I
think
will
be
important
for
people
to
really
understand
the
process
that
we're
going
through,
especially
as
you
know,
we
add
another
20
years
of
potential
properties
to
a
list
which
originally
was
voluntary,
and
then
the
state
said.
A
Oh,
since
we
even
talked
about
it,
it's
now
historic,
so
so
any
thoughts
comments
from
the
committee
we.
A
D
Welcome
to
your
point
Mike:
could
you
tell
us
what
are
some
of
the
benefits
of
being
a
historic?
M
Sure
so
we
have
some
incentives
in
our
ordinance,
which
includes
like,
as
all
you
know
like
they,
there
are
some
tax
incentives
for
the
historic
houses
that
would
go
and
the
meals
act
contract
with
the
state.
That's
one
of
the
incentives.
We
also
have
some
reliefs
from
from
our
like
variance
process
or
some
kind
of
like
a
longer
process
of
the
permitting.
M
So
if
you
have
those
incentives
for
the
historic
houses
we
have,
we
are
providing
some
relief
for
them
to
modify
their
house
because
we
know
there
are
they're
a
special,
so
we
and
also
some
of
like,
if
they
they
need
to
go
through
the
historic
permit
process.
It's
going
to
be
free
for
damage,
so
there's
no
fees.
They
don't
need
to
pay
fees
for
that
permit
process.
M
So
there
are
some.
There
are
these
kind
of
like
incentives
right
now
in
our
ordinance.
We
are
also
looking
at
more
options,
more
incentives
and
to
be
included
in
the
ordinance
moving
forward
and,
as
Mike
said,
I
think
it's
very
important
to
present
those
to
the
to
the
neighborhood
into
their
own,
like
members
of
the
community,
because
as
what
I'm
hearing
right
now,
I
I
have
been
receiving
some
of
the
like
feedback
from
the
property
owners,
oh
about
like
what
they
can
do
with
their
property
in
the
future.
A
E
Yes,
thank
you,
so
you
note
that
a
building
may
be
of
significance
and
I
think
maybe
I'm
talking
about
this
when
we
had
a
private
conversation
but,
for
example,
the
what
used
to
be
the
IED
building
the
big
tall
building
across
from
City
Hall.
That.
E
To
some
people
it's
a
very
ugly
building,
but
it
does
have
a
lot
of
history.
It
has
significance
in
terms
of
the
architecture
in
the
way
it
was
made
it
was
built.
It
was
supposed
to
be
groundbreaking
as
far
as
cost
savings.
So
what
evaluations
will
the
city
or
your
as
the
Consultants
be
using
to
evaluate
a
building,
whether
it
should
be
notified,
or
at
least
recognized.
N
Will
be
we'll
be
using
the
criteria
for
the
national
register
of
historic
resources,
the
California
register
of
historical
wait,
National,
register
of
historic,
prop
properties,
California
register
of
historical
resources
and
the
and
the
cities
historic
register
criteria.
N
They
generally
all
have
the
same
thresholds
and
criteria,
which
is
that
a
historic
property
can
be
significant
in
association
with
an
important
event:
development,
Trend,
a
singular
event
that
kind
of
thing
in
association
with
an
important
person
and
generally,
that
is
that
there
is
a
person
that
is
recognized
for
their
contributions
to
their
career
or
to
society,
and
that
the
building
is
the
best
representation
of
the
reason
why
the
person
is
significant,
so
not
the
as
we
say,
George
Washington
slept
there
Criterion
or
that
it
is
recognized
for
its
design
architecture,
the
work
of
of
a
master
architect.
N
You
know
that
that
nature,
architecture,
design
and
a
property
can
be
significant
for
one
or
multiple
of
those
reasons
same
with
historic
districts.
So
what
we'll
be
doing
in
the
historic
context
statement
is
outlining
all
of
the
major
themes
and
property
types
and
how
they
fit
into
the
development
history
of
the
city
of
Mountain.
N
View
and
then
what
thresholds
are
required
for
each
property
type
within
those
themes
based
on
those
criteria
of
potential
significance
and
then
we'll
be
providing
significant
statements
with
our
rationale
for
each
of
those,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
all
different
types
of
properties,
not
just
residential,
but
commercial.
N
Industrial
Landscapes,
like
city
parks,
can
be
covered
objects.
They
can
be
building
sites,
objects,
Landscapes,
so
we'll
be
covering
all
of
those
things.
E
N
It's
possible
that
you
know
we'll
be
working
on
updates
to
the
local
ordinance,
and
so
if
the
city
is
interested
in
having
a
different
threshold
for
significance
or
eligibility
at
the
local
level,
that's
something
that
that
can
be
considered
generally.
The
national
and
California
registers
have
similar
thresholds
for
eligibility
and
a
property
can
be
significant
within
a
local
state
or
national
context.
So
there
you
can
have
a
property
eligible
for
listing
in
the
National
register.
That
really
is
just
significant
locally
within
a
local
context.
If
that
makes
sense,
okay.
A
A
About
operating
entities
or
business
properties,
you
know,
like
you
know,
people
will
probably
say
like
Netscape
was,
you
know,
significant,
a
significant
business
in
the
history
but
they're?
You
know,
you
know
what
was
Netscape.
What
was
the
building
so
are
you?
Are
you
talking
more
about
business
properties.
N
Suppose,
businesses
that
can
be
located
at
a
specific
property
so
that
there's
the
potential
for
a
building
to
be
found
significant
in
association
with
the
business
that
occupied
it
right.
A
Okay,
so
like,
for
example,
dog
City
or
the
you
know
the
downtown,
you
know
444
Castro
Street,
that's
where
Y
combinator
is
was,
and
you
know,
people
you
know
so
that
was
there
most
people,
don't
know
that.
A
But
like
Fairchild,
you
know
semiconductors
again,
but
our
child
is
now
gone
as
a
structure
as
well
as
a
business.
So
yeah.
N
Another
example
is
Intel:
there
was
an
early
Intel,
you
know
kind
of
a
warehouse
looking
building
from
the
1960s,
but
that
could
be
found
significant
for
early
Intel
history.
So
it
could
be.
You
know,
commercial
building
on
on
Castro
Street
that
had
a
long-term
business
that
occupied
it
that
and
the
business
itself
was
significant
to
the
Mountain,
View
Community
or
maybe
the
in
its
industry,
or
it
could
relate
to
the
tech
industry
or
other
things
also
like
if
there's
still
some
property.
N
A
Or
our
old
post-modern
old
Hospital
building,
which
is
now
gone,
which
was
70
years
old
or
60
years
old,
but
Pamela.
E
Yeah,
so
it
can
so
what
happens
if
you
have
a
property
that
is
still
significant
in
his
current
inhabitants,
so
to
speak,
but
also
has
a
history,
and
you
alluded
to
that
on
some
of
the
other
buildings
y
combinator.
So
so
how
do
you
determine
what
Legacy
is
listed?
A.
N
Property
can
be
found
significant
for
an
earlier
previous
tenant.
That's
no
longer
there,
if
that,
if
that
business
or
individual
is
found
to
be
significant
historically.
E
Yeah
start
thinking
all
sorts
of
things
and
then,
for
example,
the
Two
Worlds
development
that
was
designed
by
Donald
McDonald,
who
is
a
famous
architect,
who
mainly
does
bridges
for
the
last
40
years.
But
that
was
a
significant
idea
in
terms
of
having
ground
space,
retail
and
upstairs
being
residents
the
way
he
designed
them
were
very
interesting
in
terms
of
sort
of
PODS
and
quite
Innovative
when
that
was
developed
and
I.
Think
that's
approaching
45
to
50
years
of
age.
So
that
would
be
one
property.
E
That
I
would
definitely
like
to
see
be
explored
as
the
property
of
Two
Worlds
decided
by
Donald
McDonald,
and
he
was
quite
the
about
30
40
years
ago.
I
can
remember
going
to
some
of
his
seminars
and
it
was
really
quite
groundbreaking.
Some
of
the
ideas
that
he
had
in
terms
of
architecture
and
so
I
would
definitely
like
to
see
that
property
be
at
least
put
on
the
watch
list
if
it
doesn't
qualify
in
and
of
itself
in
terms
of
age.
L
Yeah
Christina.
Thank
you.
This
is
all
helpful
information,
I
I
guess
my
question
reverts
back
to
kind
of
some
of
the
early
commentary
about
Property
Owners
rights,
so
a
city
hires,
a
Consulting
agency
like
yours,
Paige
and
Turnbull.
L
They
run
a
complete
analysis
on
all
residential
and
Commercial
properties,
based
on
all
the
criteria
you
talked
about,
and
then
there
are
designations
made.
Who
is
there
any
oversight
over
the
consultant?
Is
there
city
or
state
committees
that
are
overseeing
your
process
and
how
you're
designating?
What
is
historic
and
what
isn't
historic,
I
I
just
would
like
to
know
the
layers
of
regulation
or
oversight
or
if
there
are
any.
N
Well,
the
city
will
be
reviewing
all
of
our
work:
the
planning
department.
N
There
will
also
be
a
public
review
process
where
members
of
the
public
can
review
the
draft
documents
and
evaluations
and
provide
comments
and
ultimately,
they'll
all
be
they'll
all
require
approval
from
the
city
council.
So
there
will
be
several
levels
of
local
review
of
our
process
or
our
our
findings.
N
There
doesn't
need
to
be
review
at
the
state
level
or
or
else
elsewhere,
but
Paige
interval
has
been
around
for
50
years,
we're
one
of
the
oldest
historic
preservation,
companies
in
California
and
the
country,
and
we
I
I
think
we
are
at
the
the
top
of
of
businesses
that
do
what
we
do
as
experts.
So
you
know
we'll
be
certainly
doing
our
best
to
really
vet
all
of
the
properties
that
we
review.
But
again
there
will
be
a
full
public
review
process
to
provide
comment.
A
Christina,
just
following
up
on
that,
could
the
fact
that,
during
the
process
you
identified
a
property
is
having
some
sort
of
significance
that
the
council
then
might
say
well,
no
we're
we
we're
not
going
to
include
that
would
has
under
California
law.
A
A
N
Sql
review
process
properties
that
are
found
eligible
for
listing
in
the
California
register
are
considered
historic
resources
for
the
purposes
of
of
environmental
review,
so
the
city
will
need
to
decide
if
they,
you
know,
if
that
ends
up
happening,
that
some
of
those
properties
are
not
listed
locally,
they
could
still
be
considered
historic
resources
for
SQL
purposes.
N
That
would
happen
already,
and
so
what
we
are
hoping
is
that,
with
a
Citywide
survey,
individual
Property
Owners
won't
be
required
to
pay
a
consultant
like
page
and
Turnbull,
to
prepare
a
historic
resource
evaluation
one-off
for
every
property
that
is
at
least
50
years
old
and
has
a
proposed
project
that
would
trigger
sequip.
N
Instead,
the
Citywide
survey
will
produce
the
results
for
all
properties,
and
the
city
is,
is
you
know
footing
the
bill
for
the
for
the
effort,
so
they'll
be
more
Clarity
at
the
get-go
of
any
kind
of
project
for
sequa,
whether
somebody
may
have
a
an
eligible
historic
resources
on
their
hands,
so
in
that
way,
I
think
it's
very
helpful
for
the
general
review
process.
N
Let's
see
I
feel
like
I
had
another
thought
about
that,
but
maybe
it'll
come
back
to
me.
Ella
feel
free
to.
M
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
so,
whatever
the
consultant
is
preparing,
it's
going
to
be
through
several
rounds
of
review
it
first
internal
internally
within
the
planning
department
and
the
planning
manager
and
everyone
at
the
city
and
then
also
it's
going
to
be
available
for
public
review.
So
we
are
going
to
receive
feedback
from
the
public
Community.
We
are
going
to
have
several
workshops
working
with
the
community
members
and
and
then
EPC
and
city
council
and
downtown
committee
meetings.
M
So
we
have
several
different
opportunities
to
go
over
the
document
and
review
it
and
everyone
can
provide
input.
So
it's
not
like
just
the
consultant,
giving
us
something
and
then
it's
going
to
be
final.
So
there
are
different
layers
of
review
for
us
available
at
the
city
and
also
for
the
public.
N
You
know
uniqueness
and
element
of
the
of
history
for
individual
cities
and
property
rights,
and
one
way
to
think
about
this
is
that
it's
similar
to
zoning
code,
zoning
ordinances,
where
you
know
there
are
certain
review
processes
or
restrictions
on
what
somebody
can
do
with
a
property,
whether
it's
how
how
tall
they
can
build
or
the
massing
or
something
like
that,
but
that,
if
you
think
about
it
from
a
broader
planning
perspective,
there
are
benefits
to
doing
that.
N
So
I
just
read
about
that
recently,
when
we
were
looking
at
we're,
taking
a
first
pass
at
the
preservation
ordinance
and
looking
at
the
State
Office
of
historic
preservations
guidance,
and
they
made
that
comment
and
I
thought
it's
a
good
way
to
kind
of
frame
things.
F
Yeah
I
would
like
to
see
what
do
you
do
with
buildings
that
are
they've
been
around
for
100
years,
let's
say,
and
only
a
portion
of
the
building
is
actually
the
original
portion
of
the
original
Built
construction.
So
how
do
you
deal
with
those
types
of
buildings
that,
let's
say
you
know
only
some
tassels
are
still
100
years
old
and
the
facade
has
been
changed
three
times
already
in
the
last
100
years.
Let's
say
yeah.
N
That's
a
good
question:
that's
what
we
call
Integrity
and
what
we'll
look
at
is
you
know?
What
is
the
reason
for
that
building's
significance?
It
may
not
be
from
its
original
construction
date
if
it
might
be
from
a
later
period,
based
on
a
business
that
was
located
there
or
a
person,
or
you
know
a
later
change,
even
architecturally,
and
that
changes
significant
done
by
an
important
architect
or
something
these
are
just
random
reasons.
N
So
what
is
that
period
of
significance?
And
then
how
much
has
the
buildings
appearance
changed
since
then,
and
if
somebody
from
that
period
can
go
and
look
at
the
building
and
say
I
recognize
that
building
it
retains
most
of
the
the
features
from
that
period,
then
we
can
make
the
argument
that
it
possesses
enough
integrity
to
be
eligible.
It's
really
a
case-by-case
basis,
depending
on
alterations
that
have
occurred
like
for
commercial
buildings.
You
know
storefronts,
inevitably
change
over
time
and
there's
a
little
bit
more
leniency
on
considering
that.
N
But
what
has
happened
to
the
upper
portions
of
the
facade
or
is
it
on
a
street
corner,
and
is
there
a
secondary?
You
know
public
facade
and
what
has
happened
there
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
we
think
about,
but
unfortunately,
sometimes
you
do
have
a
building
that
has
some
significance,
but
it's
just
been
changed
beyond
recognition
practically
and
would
not
likely
be
eligible
for
listing
in
any
of
the
historic
registers.
N
If
that's
the
case,
the
planning
department
or
the
city
May
may
want
to.
You
know,
recognize
the
building
in
in
other
ways,
but
it
might
not
meet
the
standard
thresholds.
For
you
know,
within
historic
preservation,
kind.
A
A
Yeah
Marina,
were
you,
did
you
have
more
questions
or
was
that
it.
F
Well,
you
know,
let's
say
a
Monte
Carlo
building
right.
It
has
only
what's
historic
about
that.
Building
the
whole
building
is
historical
for
downtown.
However,
what's
recognized
as
to
be
historical
at
the
moment
is
just
the
corner
edges
of
the
building
itself,
nothing
else.
So
you
know
so
you
also
just
recognize
portions
of
the
building
as
historic.
N
Would
be
the
full
building,
so
then
we
have
to
consider
whether
you
know
what
is
the
totality
of
change.
That's
occurred
over
time,
yeah.
N
H
Jamil
yeah
thanks
Mike,
just
to
segue
what
Mike
was
saying
earlier
about
the
chocolate
lab,
there's
a
marker
up
there
and
we
had
a
program
about
what
was
there
and
so
I
love
history
by
the
way
I
like
to
preserve
and
there's
so
many
different
kind
of
history,
historical
Architects
buildings,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
really
believe.
The
most
constantly
constant
thing
in
the
world
is
change.
So
wouldn't
it
be
a
good
idea
to
look
at
the
history
of
it
and
say
this
area
is
a
historical
area.
H
The
couple
of
buildings,
very,
very,
very
old,
save
those
things.
So
we
could
see
that
where
we
were
and
now
all
the
other
new
buildings
coming
up
all
of
them
instead
of
making
the
whole
City
like
seems
like
it's
stuck
in
time
somewhere
earlier
and
never
seem
to
get
out
of
there.
N
Yeah
everything
that
we
do
is
really
about
balancing
character
and
inevitable
change,
and
you
know,
even
if
a
property
ends
up
being
found
eligible
for
a
local
state
or
national
register,
it
doesn't
mean
that
change
can't
happen
a
lot
of
times
most
times.
Interior
change
is
you
know
not
not
really
part
of
historic
review
and
properties
can
be
rehabilitated.
N
Adaptively
reused
additions
can
be
made,
but
there
are
just
more
there's
guidance
on
how
to
do
that
in
a
sensitive
manner,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
guiding
documents
out
there
to
help
be
able
to
do
that.
M
So,
just
to
clarify
or
give
you
some
details
about
the
process
right
now,
some
of
these
buildings
when
they
come
to
the
city,
to
propose
addition
or
modification
or
whatever.
Then
they
have
to
go
through
preparing
the
historic
evaluation
and
extra
cost.
So
what
we
are
doing
right
now,
we
are
kind
of
like
doing
that,
step
for
all
the
properties,
so
they
don't
have
to
go
through
that
extra
step
to
prepare
the
historic
evaluation
they
still
I
can
add
to
the
building.
M
Guidelines-
and
so
it's
not
that
it
doesn't
mean
that
if
a
property
is
historic,
it
cannot
be
changed
at
all
it
just
had
to
we.
We
just
want
to
be
more
careful
in
just
adding
to
the
property
and
keeping
the
historic
character
of
it
and
just
yeah.
A
Other
other
thoughts
or
any
response
to
any
of
the
questions
that
Christina
put
up
you.
G
A
You
know
cherishes
I,
think
the
history
and
and
wants
to
preserve
what's
going
on,
but
then
it's
like
well
is
that
really
for
me,
is
it
for
some
of
the
community?
Is
it
the
whole
Community
or
geez
a
house
that
well
a
mayor
used
to
live
in
that
house
and
okay,
that's
great,
but
nobody
in
Palo
Alto
cares
that
a
mayor
lived
in
a
certain
house
in
Mountain
View,
but.
A
The
United
States
all
of
a
sudden
that
property
becomes
way
more
significant
than
it
might
otherwise
have
been
and
so
sort
of
it
sort
of
ratchets
up
the
more
significant
it
gets
to
the
community
to
the
region,
to
the
state
to
the
nation.
You
know
you
know,
sort
of
increasing
possible
restrictions
or
or
preservation
would
be,
would
be
entailed.
I
know
in
you
know
many
people
remember,
and
you
know
for
Eric.
You
know
the
the
project
that
was
going
to
be
the
the
tide
house
and
Shea
TJ
and
that
got
all
bollocks
up.
K
A
Some
of
the
preservation
efforts
because
got
it
to
preserve
the
building,
even
though
the
building
is
not
anything
like
it
used
to
be,
people
wanted
to
preserve
the
building,
but
then
it
got
bollocked
up
because
it
had
to
be
preserved
on
the
site
where
it
was
not
just
to
preserve
the
structure
and
move
it,
and
so
I
mean
that
that
sort
of
where
you
know
historic
preservation,
it
really
is
in
the
eyes
of
the
beholder.
Is
you
know
what
really
is
the
best
place
and
geez?
A
You
know
it
could
just
rot
away,
because
it
has
no,
you
know
monetary
value,
so
Pamela,
and
then
we
probably
need
to
wrap
this
up
and
if
there's
any
last
minute
questions
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
we've
really
responded
to
many
of
your
questions.
Christina.
If
there's
anything,
you
really
had
to
know
from
the
committee
but
Pamela
that.
E
Was
my
question?
Well,
two
phones
to
a
point
to
Mike
you're,
also
asking
us
to
foresee
the
future
like
the
house
that
Steve
Jobs
lived
in
when
he
was
a
kid
in
monteloma
or
you
know,
you're
asking
you
to
figure
out.
Joe
schmoe
lived
here
and
so
small
is
going
to
be
the
president
in
40
years.
So
let's
not
do
anything
with
that
house,
but.
E
M
Sure
yeah,
so
we
are
taking
the
project
to
EPC
study
session
in
January
and
to
city
council
to
study
session
in
February
to
just
go
over
the
process,
give
them
some
details
and
about
like
what
we
have
been
doing
right
now.
We
don't
have
any
specific
documents
ready
for
review.
M
It's
just
at
the
beginning
of
the
process,
so
we
want
to
receive
their
early
feedback
and
yeah,
and
then
we
are
going
to
have
another
community
meeting
in
Spring
depending
on
where
and
then
the
documents
would,
the
draft,
ordinance
and
historic
context
assessment
is
going
to
be
ready.
N
We're
also
looking
to
continue
to
do
some
focus
group
meetings,
including
neighborhood
associations,
sounds
like
Ella's
gotten
one
starting
to
get
one
of
them
lined
up
and
has
reached
out
to
some
other
neighborhood
associations.
A
A
Downtown
Business
Association,
which
probably
has
a
higher
percentage
of
potentially
significant
buildings,
is
probably
interested
as
well.
M
Sure,
yeah
I
will
reach
out
to
them
to
schedule
a
meeting
yeah.
We
are
meeting
with
montaloma
and
Old
Mountain
View
neighborhood
associations,
hopefully
before
January,
just
reaching
out
to
them
and
try
to
schedule
meetings.
A
A
Any
last
minute
comments:
have
you
gotten
the
ear
feel
earful
you
hoped
for
Christina
and
Ella.
N
You
very
much
and
again,
if
you
want
to
provide
any
feedback
about
your
personal
feelings
about
what
is
important
to
the
history
of
Mountain
View.
You
can
go
to
that
online
survey.
That's
at
mountainview.gov,
backslash,
historic
and
that
actually
is
the
full
page
of
the
about
this
project
and
then
there's
a
link.
That's
kind
of
highlighted
for
the
survey,
so
we'd
appreciate
that.
A
Great
thanks
all
right,
so
we
will
end
that
discussion
and
move
on
to
I
think
it's
item
7.2,
which
is
just
an
update
on
the
calendar
for
the
coming
year.
John.
B
Exactly
so
I'm
bringing
this
back
just
as
a
quick
check-in,
given
the
conversation
that
happened
at
the
November
1st
committee
meeting.
So
at
that
meeting
there
was
some
conversation
as
it
pertained
to
the
meeting
time
for
this
committee
and
at
the
present
time
of
this
committee
deciding
on
the
calendar
there
was.
It
was
not
clear
when
the
committee
would
be
going
back
in
person
and
so
on.
November
9th
the
city
manager's
office
issued
a
memo
stating
that
committees
will
be
going
back
to
in
person.
B
B
B
Does
it
work
for
most
members
starting
February
23rd
to
meet
at
10
A.M
in
person
versus
8
A.M
in
person,
and
it's
just
an
opportunity
in
a
day
like
this
and
make
sure
that
the
committee
has
some
comfort
level
if
there
is
no
change,
there's
no
action,
but
if
you
need
to
change
the
date
or
the
committee
feels
that
they
need
to
change
the
date.
I
would
ask
that
you
re-vote
on
just
affirming
the
meeting.
Time
would
be
the
the
comment
and
that's
then
in
my
report.
Okay,.
A
E
Yeah,
because
in
the
actually
the
minutes,
I
didn't
question
that
the
minutes
didn't
State,
whether
it
was
supposed
to
be
in
person
or
on
Zoom,
so
now
you're
clarifying
whether
we
want
zoom
or
in
person.
Okay,.
A
So
I
think
there
was
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
that,
while
Tim
can
be
more
difficult
for
people
running
a
business
earlier
is
there
there
is
more
traffic
and
it's
also
harder
for
for
people
with
parental
obligations.
Doing
that
it
sounded
like
the
gist
of
the
meeting
was
that
10
o'clock
was
still
the
preference,
and
so
without
can
I
just
get
a
show
of
hands
from
the
committee
is.
Is
the
majority
still
prefer
10
a.m
to
an
8,
A.M
or
other
time?
In-Person?
Meeting
this?
A
O
I
think
I
yeah
I
had
a
clarifying
question
and
when
you
say
optional,
hybrid
component
for
attendees,
does
that
mean
as
a
downtown
Committee
Member
attendee
I
can
still
I'm
a
teacher,
and
so
if
I
I
can
go
from
a
conference
room
and
get
a
sub
if
that
works,
I'm
good
with
10.
B
Right
so
the
there
is
some
direction
that
they
from
Council
that
they
want
the
committee
members
to
be
in
person.
There
are
times
where,
if
you're
out
of
town,
specifically
out
of
town
special
circumstances,
yeah
you
can
make
arrangements
to
attend
virtually,
but
the
direction
from
the
memo
as
drafted
by
the
city
manager's
office,
was
that
the
expectation
is
committee
members
would
be
in
person
and
those
from
the
public
wishing
to
either
join
in
person
or
virtual
would
have
that
option.
B
So
in
in
your
case,
it
does
mean,
unless
you
were
traveling
or
nowhere
in
the
area.
You
could
attend
virtually,
but
they
are
really
encouraging.
In-Person
attendance.
A
A
O
Okay,
okay,
I
I,
understand
what
the
law
is.
It
is
problematic
because
I
need
to
arrange
the
substitute
teacher
and
and
I'll
figure
out
my
end
of
it.
A
Yeah
I
will
open
this
to
public
input.
I
see,
Bruce
England
has
his
hand
up.
I
Yeah
well
well
so
I'm
not
sure
where
you
met
before
and
where
you're
going
to
meet
starting
in
February.
Maybe
it's
the
chamber
and
maybe
you're,
set
up
for
okay,
one
of
the
conference
rooms
at
City
Hall,
so
they're
not
equipped
at
this
point
for
public
access
to
continue
the
hybrid
model
so
that
you
all
are
in
the
room
and
the
public
attends.
I
You
can
attend
remotely
or
go
there
in
person
and
there
I'm
just
letting
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
us
out
in
the
community
who
are
making
noise
about
this.
We
want
it
to
gear
up
those
confidence
rooms,
just
as
they've
already
done
with
council
chambers,
so
that
we
can
continue
the
hybrid
approach
for
at
least
for
members
of
the
public.
B
If
I
may
respond
to
Bruce's
comments,
so
we
have
traditionally,
this
committee
met
in
a
different
conference
room.
We
have
secured
a
hybrid
one,
there's
the
chamber
room
and
one
other
room
that
is
equipped
to
be
hybrid
and
that
has
been
reserved
for
2023
for
this
committee,
assuming
it
meets
at
10
A.M.
A
So
just
doing
a
sort
of
a
straw
vote
if
people
could
just
indicate
is
not
perfect,
but
is
a
majority
support
at
10
A.M
as
opposed
to
another
time.
So
if
you
are,
if
you
can
live
with
10
a.m,
please
raise
your
hand.
F
A
A
H
B
But
not
every
room
is
the
same
size,
so
the
room
we
have
will
be
smaller,
but
it
will
allow
for
hybrid,
which
will
allow
for
some
a
handful
of
in-person
people,
but
it
will
not
be
the
same
room
you
met
in
which
would
accommodate
a
larger
in-person
audience,
not.
A
A
All
right,
so
moving
on
to
item
7.3
I
think
this
was
just
sort
of
a
report
back
John.
B
It
was,
and
if
there
was
any
questions
in
light
of
the
conversations
that
have
been
going
on
about
what
are
opportunities
to
support
businesses,
what
are
the
types
of
programs?
This
came
up
as
an
interesting
in
getting
information,
so
I've
summarized
at
a
high
level,
some
of
the
just
upfront
tools
that
are
out
there
for
businesses
and
and
a
lot
of
these
cases.
These
infrastructure
upgrades
improvements
generally
do
require
a
group
of
people.
B
Voting
to
tax
themselves
is
the
high
level
conversation,
but
when
you
tax
yourselves,
that
allows
you
to
use
those
funds
to
do
certain
things
or
reinvest
in
the
business.
There
are
some
other
business
programs
that
are
out
there
that
could
be
launched,
but
this
was
just
a
way
to
kind
of
memorialize
and
share
with
people
the
different
types
of
programs
that
are
out
there
or
available
today
to
potentially
Implement.
Should
there
be
a
willingness
among
people
and
in
some
cases
these
already
exist.
B
There
is
an
existing
Bia
in
Mountain
View
today,
and
those
funds
are
used
to
promote
and
Market
the
downtown,
and
that
is
exclusively
how
that
is
used.
So
you
could
have
a
business
improvement.
District,
which
is
more
focused
on
maintenance
of
the
area
and
beautification
of
the
area,
so
there
are
tools
out
there.
A
E
B
Yes,
so
we're
getting
a
fraction
of
a
fraction
so
instead
of
say
getting
one
doll,
what
we
would
normally
get
as
a
one
dollar
share
of
property
tax,
we're
only
getting
16
cents
of
property
tax.
So
that's
true
of
sales
tax,
so
in
property
tax,
when
you
pay
cover
bigger
property
tax
bill
of
that
total
tax
bill.
What
the
city
gets
is
16
of
that
bill.
The
rest
of
it
goes
to
the
county,
to
schools,
to
bonds.
So
there's
a
big
misconception
about
what
the
city
actually
gets
in
property
tax.
B
So
even
though
you
may
write
a
big
check
in
property
tax,
the
city
only
gets
16
of
what
you
pay.
So
when
you
do
an
efid
or
some
of
these
other
financing
districts
you're
only
focused
on
the
16
that
the
city
gets
is
what
is
meant
by
the.
A
Okay,
seeing
no
further
questions,
we'll
close
item
7.3
move
on
to
item
8,
which
is
just
any
Council
comments,
questions
before
we
adjourn.
K
B
So
very
quickly
the
appointment,
Review
Committee,
Council
appointment,
Review
Committee,
did
old
interviews
that
occurred
on
November,
21st
and
I
did
want
to
share
their
recommendations.
In
case
this
group
was
not
familiar
with
it.
Marina
David
and
Kira
were
all
recommended
for
reappointment.
B
A
new
person
coming
on
a
money
Singh
for
the
down
representing
the
downtown
property
owner
business
owner
was
recommended.
A
new
member
for
community
at
large
and
Kavanaugh
was
recommended.
Your
chair
was
recommended
for
reappointment
and
a
Jamil
was
also
recommended
for
reappointment.
So
a
council
will
need
to
approve
those,
but
that
was
the
recommendations
from
the
committee
and
then
finally,
I
wanted
to
just
acknowledge
and
thank
Maria
and
Eric
for
their
service
to
this
committee.
Greatly
appreciate
it.
A
A
Yeah
there
you
go
foreign,
okay,
seeing
no
other
comments.
We
will
adjourn
the
meeting
and
we
will
one
have
a
great
holiday
season.
C
Actually
I
have
one
thing:
I
want
to
announce
which
is
to
downtown
campaigns
will
be
happening
on
November
I'm,
sorry,
on
December
17th,
we're
gonna
have
a
Santa
Thon
and
if
you
dress
like
Santa,
there
are
going
to
be
19
different
businesses,
you
can
go
to
and
you
can
get
a
treat
or
a
discount,
but
you
have
to
go
to
them
to
find
out
what
they
are,
and
the
other
is
the
great
elf
hunt
which
also
Launches
on
the
17th,
and
it
goes
from
December
17th
to
January
3rd,
second
or
third
anyway.
C
The
way
this
works
is
it's
like
a
scavenger
hunt,
you
have
to
find
the
elves
and
when
you
find
the
elves,
you
can
post
them
on
the
social
media.
There
are
19
businesses
participating.
If
you
put
at
least
eight
up
there
and
you
tag
the
DBA
or
put
a
story
up,
you'll
be
entered
into
a
raffle
or
a
drawing.
It
has
to
be
a
drawing,
can't
be
a
raffle.
So
if
you're
an
answer
into
a
drawing
and
with
that
drawing
you
can
win
prizes
and
the
prizes
are
Shoreline
tickets.
C
Indeed,
luck
stay
at
the
Shashi
Hotel
well,
or
a
dinner
at
CasCal,
and
also
gift
baskets
from
local
businesses.
This
is
also
a
really
important
time
to
support
local
businesses
because
after
Christmas
often
business
kind
of
goes
off
a
cliff,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we're
really
trying
to
do
is
make
it
fun
to
come
in,
and
many
of
these
elves
will
be
having
mystery
offers
themselves,
and
so,
if
you
go
and
find
an
elf,
not
only
can
you
post
on
social
media,
but
it
might
tell
you
a
secret.
C
I
hope
you
show
up,
you
just
have
to
have
some
kind
of
Jolly
accessory.
It
could
be
a
Santa
hat
elf
ears
reindeer
you
would
like,
but
you
need
to
have
something
and
then
you'll
get
something
special
in
return.
What's
the
social
media
tag
for
DBA,
please
I,
it's
I'm
gonna
have
to
put
it
up
there.
It's
on
the
poster,
because
I
know
the
other
one.
So
I'm
gonna
go
through
it's
at
DBA,
MV,
okay,.
E
Actually
Kira
just
answered
the
question.
I
was
wondering
if
a
person
could
just
wear
a
Santa
hat,
if
that
was
significant
enough
to
be
a
Santa
that.
C
Where
there's
going
to
be
posters
up
but
I
will
also
do,
is
I'll
send
the
flyer
and
the
maps
to
the
chair
of
the
committee
and
to
jobs.
They
can
also
send
that
to
all
committee
members,
so
you
can
have
that
as
well.
We
really
appreciate
you
also
promoting
this
to
to
your
networks,
because
it
will
be
a
fun
activity
to
do.