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From YouTube: November 16, 2022 Development Review Committee
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A
No
worries-
and
they
are
just
showed
up,
so
let
me
promote
her
to
we'll
also
just
need
to
wait
a
few
more
minutes,
a
couple
more
minutes,
there's
Linda,
okay
and
your
project
planner
is
coming
momentarily
as
well,
so
everyone
in
the
audience
everyone
on
the
panel
already
just
hang
tight
for
a
moment.
We
are
almost
ready
to
begin
virtual
meetings
year.
Three.
D
A
So
welcome
everyone.
This
is
our
development
review
committee
meeting
of
November,
16th
and
I'll
start
with
a
quick
roll
call.
I'm
Rebecca,
Shapiro
I
chair
this
committee,
I'm
joined
today
by
Linda
poncini
Russ
Sherman
will
not
be
joining
us
today
for
the
DRC
meeting.
We
have
two
items
but
before
I
dive
into
our
the
review
part
of
our
agenda
I
just
want
to
read
our
required
announcement
around
virtual
readings
during
this
declared
state
of
emergency.
A
This
meeting
will
be
conducted
in
accordance
with
California
government
code,
64953e
AS
authorized
by
resolution
of
the
city
council.
You
can
contact
the
city
clerk
at
city.clerk
mountainview.gov
to
obtain
a
copy
of
the
applicable
resolution,
and
everyone
at
this
meeting
today
will
be
participating
by
video
conference
with
no
physical
meeting
location.
A
As
a
point
of
information,
we
have
already
had
action
by
city
council
indicating
that
we'll
continue
virtual
meetings
through
December
18th
and
tentatively.
The
expectation
is
that
we're
likely
to
continue
virtual
meetings
into
2023
as
well,
possibly
resuming
in-person
meetings
in
February,
but
we'll
we'll
make
announcements
at
this
at
this
hearing
level,
as
we
know
more
as
a
reminder
to
folks
who
are
participating
in
the
audience
today.
If
you're
interested
in
providing
comments
on
any
item,
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
do
so.
A
After
a
brief
presentation
from
the
applicant
team
on
each
item,
if
you're
participating
through
the
zoom
web
interface
or
app
interface,
you
can
use
the
race
hand
function
when
asked
if
you'd
like
to
speak
and
if
you're
participating
by
phone,
you
can
dial
Star
9
to
raise
your
hand
and
Then
star
six
to
unmute
yourself
when
called
upon.
So
with
that.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
today
is
1020
terabella
Avenue.
A
C
All
right,
if
everyone
can
see
what
we're
showing
on
the
screen,
this
is
a
graphic
illustrating
what
we
last
talked
about
with
develop
number
two
Review
Committee
on
the
left
hand
side
in
late
April,
it
may
look
familiar
it's
building
fronting
Terra
Bella
Ave,
it
is
u-shaped.
C
The
general
concept
of
the
building
is
a
sort
of
bookends
on
both
ends,
and
through
that
conversation
and
other
meetings
with
the
city,
there
have
been
some
changes
based
on
that
review
and
the
main
changes
involve
the
corner
massing
at
the
lobby,
where
the
angled
feature
at
the
main
lobby
is
now
can
comes
completely
down
to
grade.
It
emphasizes
the
angle
and
it
kind
of
makes
the
corner
of
a
cleaner
and
also
reinforces
that
idea
of
these
bookends.
C
So
that
is
a
significant
difference.
The
other
thing
which
was
mentioned
was
trying
to
lighten
the
base
of
the
frontage
of
the
building,
and
so
a
railing
was
introduced,
which
really
is
highlighting
kind
of
showing
that
it's
a
little
bit
lighter.
It
offers
a
bit
more
connection
back
up
to
the
podium
open
space
and
it
creates
a
little
bit
more
of
a
vertical
visual
on
the
on
the
base.
C
In
addition
to
that,
the
window
patterning
has
been
altered
and
windows
are
increased
in
area
so
particularly
on
the
corners
so
they're
a
little
bit
lighter,
there's
a
little
bit
more
glazing
to
a
solid
wall
ratio
which
has
been
included
in
addition
to
that,
the
color
palette
has
been
adjusted
so
that
there's
a
stronger
connection
between
the
bass
and
the
mid
bar
of
the
building.
So
there's
more
consistency
there.
The
mid
bar
setback
on
the
podium
has
also
been
articulated
a
bit
more
to
break
that
mass
down.
C
Those
were
the
significant
changes
since
we
last
met.
Let's
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
C
So
this
is
a
just
a
detailed
shot
of
the
of
the
entry
configuration,
and
what
this
shows
is
the
way
that
angled
mass
comes
to
grade.
The
large
canopy
still
defines
the
entry.
The
lobby
is
more
distinct,
there's
a
little
bit
more
glazing.
It's
relates
directly
down
to
the
plaza
which
is
located
at
the
corner
and
then
right
behind
it.
You
can
kind
of
see
where
the
Podium
breaks
on
the
left
hand
side
with
these
rail
features.
C
Let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
Oh,
the
other
thing
I
should
mention
you
can
see
it
here
as
well,
is
that
the
corner
Windows
have
also
been
expanded
and
the
patterning
varied
a
bit
more.
This
is
the
night
shot
and
again
it
shows
this
idea
about
this
kind
of
lantern
effect
on
the
corner,
so
that
you
do
have
that
Lobby
in
that
expanded
area
out
to
the
plaza
where
it
includes
these
interactive
play.
Features
to
you
know,
make
the
public
space
as
engaging
as
we
can
touch
on
that
in
a
little
more
detail.
C
This
is
looking
at
the
plaza
a
little
bit
further
down
and
and
the
main
entry
is
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
this
image.
You
can
see
the
canopy
up
above
that's
the
main,
plaza
and
the
way
the
plaza
stretches
down.
This
is
where
the
Bike
Room
is
located.
It
shows
the
shift
in
a
pallet,
the
color
palette
as
well,
where
the
main
Mass
carries
all
the
way
through
the
Stoops
in
that
back
wall,
which
is
also
included.
C
Let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
that
again
here.
So
this
shows
the
adjustment
in
materials
and
color
palette,
where
the
back
wall
of
the
Stoops
is
now
consistent.
That
mass
reads
all
the
way
through
at
the
back
wall
of
the
stoop
we've
also
adjusted
the
angles
of
the
roof.
It
doesn't
read
in
this
image
because
we're
so
close
to
the
student,
but
it
has
a
little
bit
more
of
a
residential
feel
where
the
angled
roofs
when
you're
further
a
little
further
away.
C
This
shows
that
landscape
buffer
between
your
private
residential
porch,
if
you
will
and
the
sidewalk
next
one,
please
Lily
an
image
at
night.
You
can
see
the
revised
color
palette
here.
This
again
just
shows
the
stoop
the
way
this
will
feel
a
bit
also
at
the
top.
It
shows
a
bit
of
the
way
that
rail
reads
where
it's
lightened
a
bit
and
Cut
Above
the
stoop
area.
To
get
that,
can
you
know
to
get
that
transparency
back
up
to
the
podium
level.
E
I
can
go
over
this,
so
another
element
we
are
working
on
are
developing
a
different
little
programmatic
themed
areas
along
the
tarbella
frontage.
E
E
We
have
a
at
grade:
elementic
Sundial,
where
the
person
themselves
is
the
one
casting
the
shadow
to
tell
the
time
and
we're
intending
to
incorporate
some
educational
signage
to
go
along
with
that
to
communicate
how
that
Sundial,
Works
understanding
of
the
basic
seasons
and
how
the
orientation
and
location
of
the
Sun
versus
the
earth
and
the
tilt
of
the
earth
it
impacts
our
Seasons
and,
as
I
said,
we
are
developing
a
discrete
little
programmatic
areas.
E
Each
of
these
locations
highlighted
here
and
working
through
with
that,
but
the
general
theme
with
them
all
will
be
learn
through
play
to
engage
both
the
residents
and
local
community
and
if
I
can
click
connects
there
we
go.
This
is
another
view
of
that
Plaza
entry
and
you
can
see
in
a
bit
more
detail
the
elementic
Sundial
here.
It
is
at
grade
completely
flush
at
the
plaza
to
make
sure
to
not
provide
any
obstruction
to
the
positive
space
but
provide
the
interactivity
right
and
then
Central
area
and
then
adjacent
to
it.
E
And
the
last
thing
we
want
to
touch
on
is
just
kind
of
taking
you
through
the
color
palette
changes
that
have
occurred
since
the
formal
planning,
the
April
formal
planning
submittal
on
the
top
left.
You
see
the
base,
formal
planning,
submittal
color
palette,
below
that
we
have
the
alternative,
slightly
cooler
tones
for
the
nofa
submittal.
We
went
with
the
original
base,
plenix
middle
color
palette,
with
the
gray
changed
to
a
warmer
Earthen
tone
based
on
DRC
feedback,
and
also
incorporate
additional
glazing
elements
of
the
corners
and
adding
a
bit
more
detail
there.
C
So
that
that's
it
for
our
formal
presentation,
we're
happy
to
open
it
up
to
questions
or
discussion
or
if
the
Alta
team
has
anything
to
add.
Please
jump
in.
B
No,
we
have
nothing
to
add
right
now,
just
be
happy
to
hear
the
feedback
and
questions.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Everyone.
Just
before
we
dive
into
any
DRC
questions
and
feedback,
all
I'm
going
to
quickly
turn
to
the
audience
and
I.
Think
many
of
the
folks
there
in
the
audience
today
are
associated
with
one
or
or
both
of
these
projects
on
the
agenda.
But
does
anyone
in
the
audience
have
any
comments
or
questions
they'd
like
to
share
on
this
particular
project?
If
so,
please
raise
your
hand
now
raise
hand,
function
or
Star
nine.
If
you're
phoning
in
okay,
no
hands
are
raised.
I
guess
everyone
loves
it.
A
A
Think
one
of
the
hardest
things
to
talk
about
at
DRC,
whether
we're
in
person
or
not,
just
because
of
the
ability
to
reproduce
you
know
the
planned
colors
can
be
really
challenging,
but
we'll
we'll
muddle
through
and
I
think
you
know
we
have
some
some,
hopefully
very
clear
thoughts
for
your
for
the
team
today
to
take
with
you
and
carry
forward,
but
we
usually
will
start
with
any
site
plan
related
feedback
that
we
have
before
I
jump
into
some
of
those
topics.
A
A
So
yeah
I
I'll
just
kick
things
off
on
the
site
and
Landscape
I
know
you
didn't
spend
too
too
much
time
going
over.
The
details
of
that
and
I
know
that
some
of
it
is
still
in
progress,
but
I
think
the
strategy
and
ideas
that
you
presented
today.
They
definitely
have
carried
things
forward
very
well
from
from
where
we
were
last
time.
A
Drc
saw
the
plans
and
given
that
this
is
a
family,
targeted
development
or
family
oriented
development
and,
with
you
know,
single
family
neighborhood
that
you
have
a
little
bit
further
to
the
South.
This
seems
like
it
has
some
some
good
themes
and
with
the
educational
information.
Hopefully
we'll
also
have
of
things
that
are
of
interest
to
parents
or
other
adults
in
the
area.
A
I
guess
one
one
question
I
have
question
slash
comment
is
I
I
know
that
San
Rafael,
you
know
a
is
challenging
for
you
all
because
of
the
amount
of
utility
rooms
that
you
have
and
you
know
B
is
a
cul-de-sac,
but
when
I
think
back
to
the
you
know,
friends
who
grew
up
in
Suburbia
when
I
was
a
kid,
you
know,
cul-de-sacs
actually
could
often
be
kind
of
active
areas,
and
so
I
I
wondered
if,
if
the
team
had
had
any
thoughts
on
on
how
how
or
if
some
aspects
of
the
things
that
you're
planning
on
terabella
could
be
pulled
around
the
corner
a
little
bit
into
the
San
Rafael
Frontage,
you
know
I
off
the
top
of
my
head.
A
A
You
know,
I
was
thinking
of
your
PG
e
room,
you
know,
or
is
there
a
location
where
sort
of
a
bench
and
a
planter
could
be,
could
be
incorporated
sort
of
maybe
around
the
around
the
stair
I?
Just
want
to
make
sure
that
even
I
know
it's
a
challenging
Frontage,
but
it
sometimes
when
there's
such
a
difference
between
two
frontages
anything
you
can
do
to
kind
of
create
design.
Synergy
can
be
really
beneficial,
so
I'm
seeing
this
is
this.
Is
the
challenge
exhibit
right?
Yes,.
E
Yes,
it
is
it's
color
coded,
even
because
we
have
different
types.
Yes,
there,
it
really
is,
unfortunately,
heavily
impacted
by
the
utilities
and
the
driveway
and
egress
the
area
in
which
that's
not
really
impacted
by.
That
is
really
this
corner
next
to
the
plaza.
So
what
we're
proposing,
if
I
can
go
back
to
the
one
arrows
workplace?
E
Oh
one
moment
there
we
go.
I
can
go
back
to
this
view.
The
thought
was
that
we
could
have
this
element
at
the
corner
on
the
post,
that
kind
of
ties
in
the
pullback,
but
really
the
further.
We
go
down
this
sidewalk
the
you
basically
really
have
the
street
tree
strip
and
that's
predominantly
what
is
available,
and
that
is
you
know.
Obviously
you
need
to
be
the
cities.
E
You
know
Street
planting
along
that
side
there
there
is
a
small
green
space
next
to
the
driveway
between
the
driveway
and
the
utility
rooms,
but
it's
sheltered
a
bit
because
of
the
mousing
of
the
building
and
it's
more
of
a
buffer
zone,
because
it
is
by
the
egress
the
exiting
from
electrical
room
and
nestled
between
the
Transformer
room
and
the
driveway.
So
it's
not
really
that
Pleasant
of
an
area
we
are
Greening
it
up,
but
it
is
really
an
interstitial
buffer
space.
E
The
other
thing
to
consider
is
directly
north
of
the
site
is
the
adjacent
property,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
something
that
we'll
have
to
consider
in
terms
of
use
and
play
whether
we
want
to
encourage
folks
to
go
down
this
way
towards
the
adjacent
property,
or
this
is
going
to
be
potentially
some
traffic,
whereas
this
this
Zone
here
has
a
lot
more
buffer
and
distance
from
the
street.
A
Another
quick
question:
are
you
playing
in
any
utilities
from
centerfail
or
it
is?
Are
things
predominantly
and
I'm
thinking,
especially
about
this
sort
of
northeast
corner
I
know
you
have
fire
access
back
there,
but
are
there
any
utilities
running
along
the
back
side
of
the
building?
We.
E
Do
have
some
running
back
there.
That's
that
red
water,
buffer
yeah,
so
it's
it's
pretty
congested
along
xenopho
in
terms
of
utilities
and
egress
and
stuff
like
that.
C
Clearly
we
have
a
lot
of
restraints,
but
I
I'll
float
an
idea,
I
apologize
beforehand,
Alto
team,
but-
and
you
can
just
say
no,
but
you
know
we're
our
main
restraint
on
that
Frontage
is,
is
obviously
space
and
fixing
things
and
creating
obstructions,
but
maybe
there's
a
possibility
to
carry
this
Sun
movement
theme
a
little
bit
around
the
corner
and
we
might
be
able
to
do
that.
C
Assuming
that
we
may
have
a
photovoltaic
system
on
this
building
right,
maybe
there's
a
way
of
like
incorporating
a
meter
that
shows
the
carbon
offset
and
the
energy
saved,
with
the
electric
meter
so
kind
of
carrying
or
with
the
photovoltaic
system
that
could
be
visible
on
that
street
and
it
would
kind
of
in
a
funny
way
relate
to
the
electrical
room
which
is
right
there
and
I've
I.
C
It
makes
me
think
of
the
Exploratorium
in
the
sense
that
you
know
there
could
be
like
I
think
that
the
export
tournament
actually
did
a
big
steel
cut
out.
It
was
like
an
electronic
diet.
There
was
like
a
circuit
diagram
of
a
transformer
that
there
could
be
like
a
graphic
with
a
circuit
or
something
that
could
be
actually
represented
on
the
Transformer
door,
so
that
it
adds
a
little
life
around
the
corner,
Rebecca
and
would
be
more
informational
in
a
sense.
I.
Think
if
there's
an
idea
somewhere.
D
C
A
I
think
that's
a
that's,
certainly
something
to
explore
and
I
think
it
starts
to
get
at
the
idea
of
of
sort
of
pulling
that,
like
informational,
educational,
like
interaction,
sort
of
something
that
you
see
and
engage
with
around
the
corner,
so
I
think
Linda,
please
chime
in.
If
you
disagree,
but
yeah.
F
A
B
I
would
say,
probably
I
think
the
idea
I
like
the
idea,
that
of
an
interactive
thing,
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
technology
and
and
and
the
and
the
maintenance
of
that
I.
Don't
want
it
to
be
something
that
breaks
down
and
never
works
again,
and
you
know
it's
something
that
so
we
we'd
have
to
look
into
that,
but
I
definitely
like
the
idea
of
of
turning
the
corner
and
and
keeping
the
educational
and
the
idea
of
the
you
know
doing
something
around
the
electrical
room
that
that
you
know
makes
it.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
the
idea
of
of
something
that
that
makes
the
the
utility
doors,
perhaps
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
different
than
your
stand.
There
just
sort
of
blend
in
could
be
an
idea.
I
agree
with
Carlos
on
the
you
know,
maybe
be
deliberate
with
what
you
look
at
as
far
as
technology.
A
We
don't
want
something
that
sort
of
works
for
you
know
six
months
and
then
everyone's
constantly
trying
to
make
it
work
again,
but
maybe
one
of
the
solutions
could
be
something
I
know
more
and
more
people
are
doing
like
sort
of
QR
codes
connected
to
websites.
So
if
you
have
like
a
you
know
a
development
site,
you
know
someone
could
there
could
be
an
informational
panel.
A
little
bit
of
explanation
like
this.
You
know
this
building
has
XX
solar
panels
that
produce
you
know,
I.
A
Think
there's
something
there
and
I
think
you
guys
get
the
idea
of
trying
to
pull
a
little
bit
of
that
interest
around
the
corner
and
not
not
not
Cinderella
San
Rafael
yeah
too
much
I
think
that
another
couple
recommendations
we
have
and
we're
not
gonna
sort
of
micromanage.
All
of
all
of
this
at
today's
meeting
but
I
know
staff
has
has
some.
A
You
know
detailed
review
that
they've
been
doing
of
of
tree
planting
and
things
like
that
and
and
some
ideas
for
me,
perhaps
a
few
more
locations
where
we
might
be
able
to
to
get
some
additional
tree
canopy
into
the
site.
So
you
know
we
would
encourage
you
just
to
continue
to
work
with
with
staff
on
your
tree.
Planting
plan
to
you
know
see
if
we
can
get
a
couple
more
Francis,
trees
and
and
the
one
other
place
I
would
love
to
get
an
additional
tree.
A
If
we
can
find
a
way
is
in
the
San
Rafael
streetscape
I
know
you
you
mentioned,
things
are
really
tight
back
there.
I
think.
My
experience
is
that
if
we
can
get
five
feet
of
offset
from
the
utility
line,
we
can
usually
squeeze
in
a
tree.
So
if
it
I
mean
if
it
is
possible
to
squeeze
something
in
and
that
that
northeast
corner
in
the
landscape
strip,
I
think
it
would
be
really
nice
and
it
seems
to
kind
of
correspond
to
the
the
spacing
you
have
already
for
the
street
trees.
A
On
San,
Rafael
and
I
think
you
know
the
one
other
area
of
focus
that
that
caught
our
eye
is.
Is
that
area
the
the
driveway
area,
along
amongst
San
Rafael
in
particular,
and
I,
appreciate
the
the
revisions
I?
Don't
think
you
highlighted
them
to
the
to
the
stair
and
canopy
around
there
I
think
it's
definitely
an
improvement.
A
A
So
we'd
like
for
you
to
look
at
that.
Some
ideas
that
occurred
to
us-
and
this
is
actually
something
that
a
project
I
was
working
on
recently
ended
up
proposing
completely
uninstigated
by
me.
A
Was
they
created
this
kind
of
like
low
railing
that
and
sort
of
a
narrow
planting
area
like
I?
Don't
think
it
was
more
than
about
a
foot
where
they
were
able
to
get
some
some
vines
or
lower
ground
cover
that
kind
of
related
to
the
railing
and
and
so
like
on
the
stair
side
of
that
driveway.
A
Just
from
a
sort
of
a
safety
perspective,
we
thought
it
might
make
sense
to
extend
the
railing
forward
low
enough
that
it
doesn't,
you
know,
block
car
visibility,
but
to
create
a
little
bit
more
of
a
barrier
between
the
the
egress
path
and
in
the
driveway,
as
you
come
out
to
the
public
sidewalk
and
then
yeah
looking
if
we
can
sort
of
kind
of
etch
out
a
little
bit
of
growing
space
along
that
those
paths
just
to
soften
it
up.
A
A
And
I
think
that
actually
wraps
things
up
on
site
and
landscape
design,
I
think
you
guys
are
already
familiar
with
the
city's
75
native
planting
targets.
So
I'm
not
gonna
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
much
more
about
that.
F
The
only
thing
we
did
talk
about
in
the
briefing
was
where
The
Pedestrian
path
crosses
across
the
driveway
again
you're
talking
about
the
small
separation
with
some
Vines,
but
there's
also
textural
change,
which
might
be
a
good
idea
just
to
warn
pedestrians
and
also
worn
cars
that
there's
going
to
be
a
location
where
pedestrians
and
cars
are
going
to
be
crossing
paths,
and
so,
if
it
all
ends
up
with
a
matching
pattern,
it
would
be
easier
for
someone
to
not
pay
attention
and
not
notice
that
cars
are
going
to
be
coming
across
there.
F
So
I
think,
that's
you
know
it's
a
design,
detail
and
and
something
you
can
work
with
your
landscape,
architect
and
and
engineers,
and
and
they
can
I'm
sure,
come
up
with
a
really
good
solution
to
that.
Yeah.
A
That's
a
that's
a
good
point,
I
think
one
of
one
of
the
things
that
I
haven't
heard
mentioned.
We
used
to
have
someone
who
had
come
to
DRC
and
was
very
interested
in
sort
of
design
that
could
cue
visually
impaired
folks
about
what's
going
on
around
them
and
so
yeah
I
think
along
the
frontage
is
maybe
something
something
at
that:
driveway
interface,
I'm
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
those
details
might
be
worthwhile.
A
Just
because
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
intersecting
pen
paths,
so
you
know
finding
a
way
to
delineate
the
vehicle
surface
might
be
beneficial.
D
And
Rebecca
did
we
highlight
on
the
kind
of
the
piano
notes
there
on
the
the
middle
U
section
of
of
the
building,
I
was
taking
notes
here
and
I.
Don't
recovery
discuss
that.
A
Oh
I
think
we
we
we
yeah
I
was
just
doing
a
Roundup
on
any
any
cider
landscape
comments
that
that
are
outstanding.
But
it
sounds
like
we're.
A
I
think
we're
wrapped
up
there,
yeah
I
think
on
the
the
building
side,
I
guess
where
to
start
yeah
I
think
I
I
appreciate
how
open
you
guys
have
been
to
to
what
has
been
an
iterative
process
that
has
I
think
brought
you
a
lot
of
input
from
a
variety
of
sources,
and
so
you've
had
a
bit
of
a
challenge,
trying
to
sort
of
pull
things
together
and
sort
of
maintain
sort
of
a
coherence
to
your
your
design
strategy,
and
you
know,
while
while
you're
adapting
things
I,
think.
A
D
F
Well,
I
think
again,
it's
always.
F
A
challenge
looking
at
color
drawings
on
all
of
our
different
without
knowing
exactly
what
colors
are
with
the
you
know,
with
colored
chips
in
front
of
me.
But
it
seemed
to
me
that
when
you,
when
you
go
back
to
that,
429
formal
planning,
submittal
alternative,
the
colors
were
lighter
and
a
little
more
interesting
with
that
reddish
color
in
there
burgundy
or
a
red
reddish
brown,
almost
a
quartet
color
in
the
current
submittal
I,
feel
like
it's
getting
dark
and
right
now
what
I'm?
F
Seeing
on
my
screen,
the
Grays
and
the
and
that
really
dark
gray
and
then
the
lighter
gray,
it
seems
a
little
seems
like
a
little
dark
and
a
little
bit
dreary
and
I
don't
mean
that
in
a
bad
way.
But
it's
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
life
and
interest
in
the
colors
that
are
selected,
and
it
may
just
be
a
matter
of
warming.
It
up
a
little
bit,
but
it
does
feel
quite
cold
to
me
and
that
that
was
my
concern
in
looking
at
it
and
I.
F
Think
that
that
things
can
be
done
like
in
some
of
the
recesses,
those
angled
walls.
Things
like
that.
Could
introduce
a
really
interesting
color
pop
to
the
building
without
it
becoming
too
silly?
F
So
I
think
that
I
think
that's
something
that
you'll
want
to
continue
to
work
on
and
work
on
with
staff
as
you
develop
it
along
I
think
it
does
need
some
brightening
up,
some
more
interest
to
it,
and
there
was
one
of
the
examples
that
that
you
showed
on
I
think
it
was,
might
have
been
she's
1105.
F
That
it
showed
the
example
of
a
sample
of
what
that
siding
like
and
the
windows
had
yellow
on
them
and
and
again
it
was
on
a
kind
of
grayish
background
and
it
looked
really
great.
So
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
discussions
you've
had
internally
design
wise
about,
adding
some
color
Pops
to
the
building
and
in
and
in
the
elements
that
recess
into
Windows
or
that
go
that
go
back
and
forth.
F
But
I
think
that
that
is
something
to
keep
working
on
so
that
that
was
my
reaction
to
it
and
seeing
that
reddish
color
from
the
April
submittal
appealed
to
me
more
than
what
we're
seeing
now,
which
appears
to
just
be
two
different
Shades
of
Gray.
Perhaps
there's
more
blue
to
it
than
than
as
a
parent
on
my
screen.
But
I
would
say
that
that,
for
me,
is
an
important
factor
and
again
it's
paint.
F
So
there
shouldn't
be.
You
know
huge
cost
impacts
for
looking
at
different
color
ways
to
deal
with
on
this
building
and
make
it
more
interesting,
especially
since
it's
family
housing
and
it's
going
to
be
more
interesting
to
the
families
living
there,
but
that
that
was
one
one
main
main
thing
and
then
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
just
jump
into
talking
about
the
windows
yet,
but
I.
A
Think
also
to
kind
of
like
Loop
up
what,
within
the
most
common
thing
on
I,
think
you
know,
there's
a
light:
there's
a
dark,
charcoal
or
charcoal
gray,
which
is
your
metal,
your
metal
color,
and
it's
that
primary
corner.
And
then
you
have
a
sort
of
a
complementary
color
to
the
to
the
fibrous
cement
materials
that
that
picks
up
on
that
gray
and
I.
A
Think
that's
the
color
that
those
are
the
colors
that
we're
talking
about
are
reading
a
bit
dark
to
us,
particularly
the
the
charcoal
gray
and,
and
that
you
know
so.
The
recommendation
number
one
is
is
looking
at
at
lightning
or
sort
of
warming
up
that
particular
color
sequence
and
then
I
think.
A
The
sense
that
we
got
from
the
revised
plan
is
that
you
were
sort
of
aiming
for
something
that
had
sort
of
a
more
neutral,
more
neutral
wall,
kind
of
condition,
and
our
secondary
reaction
to
that
is
is
we
can
understand
that?
Maybe
folks
might
have
thought
you
know
the
earlier
minerals
were
too
busy
and
so
simplifying
things.
A
little
bit
is
often
something
that
we
recommend
DRC,
but
the
loss
of
of
of
of
of
any
kind
of
brighter
accent,
color
really
really
caught
our
eye
and
I
know.
A
Folks,
sometimes
you
know
ding
affordable
developments
for
having
you
know
like
that
quintessential
you
know
I've
heard
it
referred
to
as
like,
affordable
housing,
yellow
or
whatever,
and-
and
you
know
that's
a
that's
a
matter
of
opinion
for
sure,
but
I
can
understand
the
sensitivity
to
that.
But
I
think
everyone
on
the
DRC
had
found.
A
That
example
photo
that
you
had
where
there
was
sort
of
a
neutral
wall
color
with
sort
of
a
simple
and
kind
of
like
specific,
sophisticated
accent
that
that
finding
that
sort
of
simple,
sophisticated
brighter
accent
and
sort
of
with
an
even
hand,
sort
of
deliberately
sprinkling
that
in
the
in
the
project,
I
think
is
going
to
liven
it
up
a
little
bit.
A
And
maybe
it's
as
simple,
as
you
know,
looking
at
that
accent
trim
that
that's
part
of
The,
Proposal
and-
and
maybe
that
corresponds
to
the
you
know
the
railing,
colors
and,
and
so
there
maybe
are
just
like
fewer
fewer
locations
where
you
have
that
Poppy
color.
But
it
stands
out
a
bit
more
because
you've
simplified
the
the
palette.
A
Otherwise,
so
two
recommendations
are
you
know
that
that
dark
color
fine-tuning
it
to
be
to
be
sort
of
a
little
lighter
a
little
warmer
and
then
second
recommendation
is,
is
you
know
finding
a
way
to
sort
of
you
know
introduce
perhaps
not
as
plentifully
as
the
earlier
submittals,
a
brighter
accent
color
to
to
just
you
know,
bring
bring
some
color
back
into
the
design.
A
And
and
yeah
I
think
Linda.
If
you
wanted
to
to
talk
about
the
the
window,
I
think
again,
some
of
the
material
and
color
comments
that
we
have
are
our
combination
of
questions
and
recommendations
and
I
think
those
are
more
straightforward
to
talk
through
so
yeah.
If
you
wanted
to
talk
about
the
the
windows
next,
that
sounds
good
to
me.
Linda
yeah,.
F
A
So
this
is
a
an
introductory
statement,
as
we
want
to
touch
on
some
of
the
the
information
that
we
found
on
that
sheet,
particularly
around
alternative
options,
and
our
presumption
was
that
these
are
things
that
the
team
is
considering
in
in
view
of
of
cost
issues,
and
so
we
have,
we
do
have
some
sort
of
thoughts
and
recommendations
and
questions
associated
with
those
alternative
options,
just
because
we
do
think
it
has.
It
has
potential
ramifications
for
the
design
yeah.
F
Great,
thank
you
so
on
this
to
the
windows,
number
five
Lumen
windows
and
then
it
says,
alternate
vinyl
windows.
Well,
the
photograph
of
these
aluminum
windows
shows
a
white
window.
Everything
on
the
elevations
makes
the
windows
look
like
they
are
either
dark,
bronze
or
black,
and
then,
when
you
go
over
to
the
material
and
color
palette,
it
says
aluminum
windows
aluminum
finish
so.
F
It
it
isn't
real
clear
as
to
what
you're
thinking
in
terms
of
the
finish
on
the
aluminum,
what
what
my
interpretation
of
the
color
elevations
and
the
and
the
renderings
is
that
you
would
have
either
a
black
or
a
very
dark
bronze
sash
in
the
aluminum
windows.
The
photograph
shows
a
white
or
possibly
it
could
be
clear,
aluminum
and
then
the
written
document
if
it
means
clear
aluminum,
so
there's
some
confusion
there,
and
that
would
be
one
question
I'd
like
to
know
what
what
your
intent
is
and
what
your
preference
is.
F
The
second
item,
being
the
alternative
of
vinyl
windows
and
I'm,
assuming
that
would
be
a
cost
issue.
Vinyl
windows
will
not
have
the
crisp
appearance
that
aluminum
windows
will.
They
will
also
not
have
that
nice
crisp
return
that
you're
showing
in
that
photograph.
I,
don't
know
how
you
would
deal
with
that
issue
with
vinyl
windows.
F
F
There
are
also
a
huge
range
of
quality
factors
and
detailing
with
vinyl
windows.
Some
of
them
do
look
quite
good
and
they
have
more
square
corners
and
more
Square
extrusions,
the
less
expensive
ones
have
more
rounded
extrusions
and
they
they
might
work
in
the
Spanish
style
building.
They
would
not
work
in
this
building
with
a
more
contemporary
and
crisp
detailing.
So
from
that
standpoint,
I
would
be
fairly
concerned
about
the
same
vinyl
window.
F
Alternative
would
be
fine,
I'm,
not
sure
it
would
be
from
a
design
standpoint,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
about
what
your
design
intent
is
and
how
you're
thinking
about
what
color
that
the
aluminum
windows
would
be.
What
is
the
finish
on
the
Windows?
Is
it
black?
Is
it
dark
Browns
anodized?
Is
it
white?
Is
it
clear,
anodized.
D
F
A
C
Then
let
me
let
me
take
the
vinyl
versus
aluminum
question
because
Linda
you
know
we
really
agree
in
many
ways.
With
your
assessment,
our
preference
is
to
go
with
aluminum
windows
and
part
of
that
is
because
aluminum
windows,
you
they're,
available
in
a
panning
frame
right.
So
you
get
a
jam
extension
and
you
get
the
depth
right.
F
C
When
we
we,
but
for
prudence
and
kind
of
what's
going
on
out
there
in
the
market
and
just
materials
right
now,
procurement
is
kind
of
all
over
the
map
we
go
in
and
we
base
it
on
and
price
it
on
and
get
a
sub
lined
up
to
put
in
aluminum
windows
and
they
can't
get
them
and
deliver
it
in
time
to
actually
close
the
building.
We're
facing
this
on
many
projects
in
construction
right
now.
So.
D
C
Need
we
need
to
build
in
a
little
flexibility,
but
that
other
point
is
clearly:
a
vinyl
window
is
less
expensive
to
purchase,
but
the
way
we
detail,
that
is,
we
actually
recess
it
in
the
walls
we
added
trim.
So
it's
a
two
by
six
wall
we
had
a
trim,
that's
a
two
by
three
or
a
two
by
four
and
then
the
nail
flange
gets
recessed.
C
So
you
get
the
return
and
you
get
the
depth
that
we
like,
because
it
just
makes
the
building
read
a
little
bit
better
and
then
some
vinyl
manufacturers,
for
example,
VPI
windows,
which
is
our
base
spec
for
vinyl.
They
actually
offer
a
crisp
profile
because
we
have
the
exact
same
concerns
there.
You
know,
depending
on
the
manufacturer,
they
get
ugly
frankly.
So
yes
thank.
G
C
G
C
It
depends
on
the
builders
because
some
Builders,
because
of
that
fussiness
around
the
framing
and
the
water,
the
waterproofing
they'll
say
no,
that's
not
going
to
save
us
any
money.
We
want
to
go
with
the
aluminum.
The
up
charge
is
worth
the
installation,
but
we
need
to
have
that
flexibility.
So
I
just
wanted
to
parse
that
discussion
a
little
bit.
E
C
E
A
To
the
point
yeah,
so
I
I
think
I
would
just
add
to
close
the
loop
on
that
I
think
you
guys
have
been
persuasive
at
least
to
me
in
a
lot
of
ways.
But
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
a
little
bit
more
specificity
and
and
the
sort
of
alternate
concept
as
far
as
you
know,
maybe
identifying
it
as
a
sort
of
BPI
vinyl
window
and
and
providing
an
alternate
detail
as.
G
A
That
that
allows
us
to
see
how
you'll
sort
of
approximate
or
give
a
sort
of
a
comparable
appearance
with
an
alternate
spec
to
you
know
what
we're
we're
reviewing
in
in
this
design,
as
as
shown
based
on
the
aluminum
window
and
and
that's
likely
the
the
best
path
forward.
On
that
particular
yeah
item.
F
C
C
C
A
C
F
C
A
Something
like
that
yeah
that
would
be
okay
and
the
alternate
detail
as
far
like
showing
the
you
know,
showing
the
target
shape
and
how
and
again
sort
of
how
you
would
treat
that
that
return.
G
F
You
treat
that
return
yeah
all
right!
Thank
you
that
that's
good,
thank
you
and,
and
then
just
to
close
the
loop
on
the
question
of
color.
What
was
the
intent
on
the
color
of
of
the
windows
of
the
window
frames.
C
And
this
is
where
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
little
help
because
Louie
can
you
help
me
here.
E
G
D
Here
I
can
say.
E
That
we've
had
many
internally
reviewed
so
yeah.
We
can
absolutely
work
with
staff
on
that
detail
and
color
right.
F
E
A
You
no
I,
think
that's
that's
so
my
gut
says
we're
likely
to
end
up
with
a
darker
a
darker
window,
given
that
the
design
which
sounds
like
a
weird
thing
to
say,
because
we
were
just
talking
about
how
dark
the
design
is,
but
but
I
I
agree,
it
would
make
sense
to
to
work
the
wall
colors
and
then
see
see
what
makes
sense
as
far
as
the
window,
color,
yeah
and
I
think.
A
The
last
material
item
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
the
alternate
proposal
for
the
fiber
cement
panel
and
maybe
first
off
with
the
question.
The
idea
with
the
ethos
material
is
that
it
would
only
replace
the
panel
is
not
the
Hardy
siding.
Is
that
correct
or
can
you
can
you
clarify
what
the
the
intent
is
there.
E
C
Sorry
Rebecca,
oh
I,
see
okay
for
this
fiber
Smith
panels.
I
thought
that
yeah,
where
were
I,
don't
know
it's
going
to
be
ethos
or
a
plaster
finish.
Essentially,
it
looks
the
same
right,
but
what
we're
also
finding
is
that
the
fiber
cement
panels,
like
Hardy,
for
example,
just
discontinued
their
their
panel
product,
their
printer
line
that
we
use
on
950,
El
Camino
right.
That's
a
that
Hardy
system
with
the
reveals
they
just
discontinued
it.
C
So
this
was
a
exterior
plaster
or
in
this
case
exterior
insulation,
finish
you're
able
to
get
the
nice
reveals
and
get
that
Rhythm
set
up
like
a
panda,
and
that
was
why
we
were
wanting
that
flexibility
again
depending
on
what's
available
and
the
bidding
climate,
that's
what
we
might
be
able
to
use
there.
A
And
I
think
we
also
were
wondering
about
your
experience
with
with
finishes
on
on
ethos
material
like
when
Linda
was
sharing
with
me
earlier
that
you
know,
she's
she's
had
experiences
that
have
really
just
resulted
in
a
a
rougher
and
less
less
attractive.
You
know
exterior
surface
on
on
ephes
and
yeah
I.
Think
that
would
run
counter
to
you
know
the
design
of
this
particular
building.
So
could
you
share
what
your
experience
has
been
with
with
some
of
the
the
efest
products
you've
used.
C
Well,
you
know,
ethos
hasn't
been
on
the
market,
for
it
was
on
the
market.
It
was
pulled
from
the
market,
it's
been
back
on
for
a
few
a
few
years.
They
have
a
pretty
wide
variety
of
finishes
available,
so
you
can
get
a
very
smooth
finish
and
then
they
offer
all
kinds
of
textures
as
well.
They
they
make
brick
textures.
They
make
very
heavily
like
a
linear,
recessed
texture,
so
those
are
available,
but
you
can
get
a
very
smooth
finish
as
well
all
right.
This
is
yeah.
C
F
Right,
yeah
I
think
that's
the
I
think
that's
the
thing
that
getting
it
as
smooth
as
possible
would
be
the
key,
because
in
a
way
it
doesn't
matter.
F
You
know
if
it's
made
out
of
peanut
butter
if
it
meets
code,
but
it
needs
to
have
that
final
finish
that
looks
correct
and
in
terms
of
that
cleaner
appearance,
so
that
and
the
consistency
across
the
elevation,
where
you
don't
all
of
a
sudden,
get
an
area,
that's
all
thick
and
fuzzy
and
bumpy,
and
then
right
next
to
it,
because
they
stopped
the
day
before
they
started
up
again.
The
next
day
and
different
guys
were
out
there.
F
So
I
think
that
it's
what
you
end
up
with
your
final
appearance
is
what
we're
concerned
about.
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
will,
you
know
be
the
proof
in
the
pudding,
you
say
say
to
get
it
to
get
the
correct
finish
on
it
and
and
I
think
that's
where
the
ephes
would
be
acceptable
to
me.
If
there
was
real
strong
wording
about
the
fine
okay.
G
D
G
D
A
Yeah
yeah,
I,
I,
I'd,
agree
and
I
would
update
similarly
kind
of
similar
to
the
the
vinyl
windows
with
a
little
bit
more
specificity
on
the
the
goal
it
sounds
like
you're.
Also,
you
know
you
may
consider
a
plaster,
so
I
would
I
would
update
the
alternate
proposal
here
and
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
like
the
Finish
goal,
and
you
know
photo
example,
ultimately,
sort
of
the
final
composition
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
review,
and
that
includes
the
color.
A
The
color
changes
that
we've
been
talking
about
as
a
through
our
mock-up
inspections,
which
you
all
are
familiar
with.
So
that'll
be
the
final.
The
final
proof
in
the
pudding
I
think
is
something
to
put
it
but
but
yeah.
If
in
the
meanwhile
we
can,
we
can
update
the
alternative
just
to
be
a
little
bit
more
clear
about
what
you
know,
what
we're
considering
and
and
and
proceeding
with,
if
needed,
that
would
be
beneficial.
A
F
F
Oh
I
guess
there
was
one
other
aspect
Rebecca
that
you
wanted
to
talk
about
with
the
with
the
area:
that's
above
the
podium
or
above
the
deck,
the
outdoor
deck,
that
back
wall
south
facing
wall
and
how
those
different
pop-outs
are
assembled.
Yeah.
A
A
Perfect
so
I
yeah,
I,
think,
okay,
you
know
the
the
previous
proposal
was
was
simpler
in
some
ways
in
that
it
was
a
quiet
volume
that
was
accented
by
by
windows,
and
you
know
the
revisions
I
think
are
trying
to
address
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
earlier
about,
like
some
some
boxiness
and
flatness
I.
A
Think
in
the
design,
at
least
that's
that
was
my
my
supposition
about
the
origins
of
this
of
this
change,
but
yeah
I
think
both
both
Linda
and
I
felt
that
we
understood
that
these
these
bump
outs
were
aligning
with
you
know
the
larger
living
room
window
locations,
but
the
overall
pattern
felt
so
it
felt
awkward.
You
know
it
varied,
varied
widths.
A
I
mean
it's,
not
a
100,
symmetrical
facade,
but
you
know
the
the
pattern
was
just
irregular
and
in
a
way
that
that
struck
us
as
awkward
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
Linda.
If
that
captures
your
your
Viewpoint
as
as
well.
F
Yeah
I
I
think
that's
right,
I
think
I.
Think
point
being.
Is
that
there's
a
one
bump
out?
That's
two
windows
wide
and
one
bump
out:
that's
one
window
wire,
and
so
you
know
it's
like
well.
Why
are
they
different?
Why
aren't
they
the
same?
Can
you
flip
one
around
and
make
it
two
windows
wide
I
understand
it's
related
to
the
floor
plans
themselves,
that
of
those
living
room
windows.
F
So
then
it
gets
more
and
more
and
more
complicated
in
trying
to
just
flip
it
around
and
make
them
both
the
same
width
or
make
it
feel
more
like
a
rhythm
right
now
it
doesn't
seem
to
feel
like
a
comfortable
rhythm
and
I.
Don't
know
it's
to
me,
it's
something
that
you
might
have
to
scratch
your
head
about,
because
it
it
feels
a
little
uncomfortable.
C
F
C
I,
do
I
mean
Rebecca,
we
just
had
this
conversation
yesterday
and
I
mean.
Are
we
trying
to
push
this
too?
Much?
Is
the
simpler
approach
of
just
the
clean
middle
bar
working
on
the
contrasting
trim
set
up
more
closely
to
where
we
were?
Is
that
going
to
be
a
more
successful
approach,
because
I
mean
we
could
look
at
the
bay
Rhythm?
It's
gonna.
C
It
would,
you
know,
add
program
kind
of
two
bedroom
areas
to
get
more
Bay
rhythm,
but
would
it
be
better
as
we're
looking
at
the
palette
to
just
consider
the
simpler
bar
in
the
back.
A
I
mean
I'll,
maybe
jump
in
if
you
disagree,
maybe
study
a
couple
different
things
like
if
you're
working
with
the
palette,
and
you
find
that
when
you
start
to
add
an
accent
color
in
or
if
it
seems
appropriate,
to
add
the
accent
color
in
on
that
trim
again
and
it
doesn't
work
with
like
a
revised
take
on
on
where
you
might
put
these
projecting
forms,
then
then,
maybe
that's
a
reason
to
say:
yeah,
let's,
let's
revert
to
a
simpler,
a
simpler
Mass,
maybe
sort
of
another
alternative
is
like
a
different,
a
different
configuration,
that's
less
less
oriented
towards
where
you
have
these
living
room
windows
and
and
that
could
be
something
like.
A
Maybe
you
know,
maybe
you
just
have
you
know
a
pop
out.
You
know
here
which
roughly
aligns
with
something
that's
happening
in
the
base
anyway
and
at
the
corners,
and
then
you
know
the
you
know
the
you
know
there
is
here,
and
the
areas
here
are,
you
know,
are
the
darker
accent
color?
Maybe
maybe
you
you
have
articulation,
but
you
don't
have
color
change.
A
Another
option
that
occurred
to
us
actually
was
inspired
a
little
bit
by
the
the
photo
example.
You
have
from
the
the
sort
of
yellow,
yellow
accent
window
on
your
color
color
page,
which
was
thinking
which,
which
has
this
this
setup
of
kind
of
a
darker
recessive
plane
at
the
top
and
the
bottom.
A
And
if
that
was
sort
of
your
your
your
canvas
and
then
maybe
maybe
the
papaouts
have
a
different
orientation
like
maybe
the
pop-outs
are
kind
of
more
aligned
with
what's
happening
at
you
know
at
the
building
base
you
know-
and
it's
not
like
fully
symmetrical,
but
it
has
like
some
relationship
and
you
maybe
you
can
tie
it
to
the
edges
of
of
of
some
of
the
staggered
windows,
but
I
think
we
we
saw
how
you
know
incorporating
some
articulation
could
be
effective
and
and
actually
could
have
a
relationship
to
what
you're
doing
in
the
building
base.
A
That
and
the
pattern
that
was
created
was
a
little
awkward,
so
I
would
I
would
say
yeah
I,
think
one
option
would
be
to
simplify
and
remove
some,
if
not
all,
of
the
areas
that
that
you're
showing
here,
but
an
alternative,
would
be
maybe
to
combine
them
in
a
slightly
different
format
than
what
you're
showing
to
have
like
a
you
know,
a
a
different
relationship,
a
different
relationship
to
what's
what's
happening
down
below
and
and
like
I
said
that
photo
example
could
could
give
you
a
starting
point.
A
There
I
think
you
have
two
options,
and
you
know
what
we
would
recommend,
because
I
don't
think
that
we
can
solve
it
at
the
meeting
today.
Is
you
you
study
a
couple
options
and
work
with
with
staff
to
see
what
you
think
is
most
effective
in
the
in
the
long
run,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
the
DRC
in
the
past
sort
of
was
was
a
really
concern,
because
you
were
doing
so
much
with
the
landscape
of
the
podium.
F
A
Because
that
window
accent
that
you
had
was
really
nice
and
attractive
and
the
simple
wall
condition
really
helped
sell
the
window
accent,
but
we
can
also
see
value
for
adding
articulation
it's
just.
It
wasn't
feeling
comfortable
and
and
cohesive
with
the
design,
as
as
shown
in
a
927,
formal
submittal
foreign.
F
I
think
I
think
maybe
the
I'm
gonna
call
them
pop
outs,
but
the
pop
outs
that
happen
at
the
corner
of
that
facade
I
think
could
be
fine
and
sort
of
frames
that
middle
part.
The
other
thing
that
that
crossed
my
mind
was
the
fact
that
that
wall
is
really
south
facing,
and
maybe
it's
just
a
matter
of
adding
some
some
sun
shades
above
the
windows,
with
some
color
on
the
sun
shades.
Just
something
that's
sort
of
enliven
that
elevation
may
not
have
to
do
these
additional
pop-outs
so.
F
I'm,
just
thinking
about
all
the
way
above
the
cross-
or
maybe
you
know
in
more
areas
or
something
that
yeah
something
that
just
kind
of
creates
a
pattern
back
there.
They
wouldn't
I
mean
it
could
kind
of
be
arbitrary.
Yes,.
F
Okay,
so
it's
like
at
the
at
the
living
room
yeah,
but
there
might
be
other
places.
You
could
introduce
one
random
here
or
there,
so
it
becomes
sort
of
like
a
what
did
they?
What
was
that
game?
Tetris
sort
of
like
something
like
that,
but
yeah
I
I,
don't
I,
think
I
think
my
feeling
about
it
is
that
those
two
pop-outs
in
the
middle,
the
two
room
I
mean
the
two
windows
and
the
one
window
wide.
F
It
seems
like
that's
a
lot
of
work
next
for
not
a
lot
of
really
great
effect.
That's
the
best
way.
I
can
say
it
that
it
would
probably
add
you
know
extra
cost
to
the
project
and
I'm,
not
sure
it's
really
doing
what
we
hoped
it
might.
A
Yeah
so
I
think
our
final
recommendations
there
are
are
again
man,
let's,
let's
work
the
color,
yeah
color
revisions
and
then,
let's,
let's
study,
if
there's
a
better
pattern
of
these
articulating
forms
that
we
feel
like
gets
at
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
we've
heard
from
the
community
and
decision
makers
about
about
boxiness
but
I,
think
a
good
fallback.
If
we
can
get
a
high
quality,
color
accent
is
something
that's
closer
to
the
original,
the
original
concept
and,
and
that
can
be
the
fallback
plan.
A
I
think
we've
we've
talked
through
a
couple
options
that
you
might
want
to
look
at
as
far
as
a
different
composition
of
of
those
bump
outs
and
I'd
like
to
see
where
we
can
get
with
that.
First,
before
kind
of
throwing
out
the
idea,
if
we
think
it's
something
that
could
sort
of
help
help
break
up
that
that
long
Center
piece
in
a
in
a
positive
way
and
I
think
you
know,
that's
the
that's
the
last
item
I
have
in
my
my
notes
that
I
wanted
to
to
go
over.
A
Actually,
you
know,
I
do
have
one
more
thing:
I
have
a
question
with
this
accent
color
now
at
the
corner,
could
you
zoom
in
on
the
East
Elevation
or
the
yeah,
and
and
show
what's
happening
at
that
transition
point
between
the
colors
is
that
kind
of?
Is
that
a
planar
transition.
E
We
were
posting
it's
effectively,
a
seam
transition
of
the
same
material,
just
a
different
color.
In
plain
at
that
point,
on.
A
This
elevation
it
could
work
is
this:
is
this
fin
kind
of
is
projecting
out
from
the
lighter
color?
Like
the
other,
the
other
corner?
It.
A
A
Yeah
and
and
sort
of
it
carried
through
at
a
low
angle,
I
mean
it
could
I
I,
especially
given
what
you're
doing
on
the
other,
the
other
bookend
I
think
it
just.
It
feels
a
little
odd
to
to
transition
in
plane,
even
even
with
a
seam,
a
seam
detail.
A
A
Yeah
but
yeah
with
that
definitively
I
think
that
that
wraps
up
our
final
recommendations
and
discussion
for
tonight,
you
know
as
always,
really
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done,
taking
input
from
a
variety
of
sources
and
or
I
particularly
want
to
complement
the
the
work
done
on
the
the
streetscape
and
and
pedestrian
amenities,
I
think
yeah.
It's
going
to
make
it's
going
to
give
a
sense
of
place
and
an
opportunity
to
to
folks
to
live
there
and
also
to
folks
who
are
passing
by
an
area
so.
G
A
You
and
that
wraps
up
item
2.1.
A
A
A
I
see
I
have
two
Prasad
listings
in
the
attendee
list.
I'm
gonna
take
a
guess,
but
on
which
I
need
to
promote.
A
Or
how
about
this
with
the
Prasad
who's
representing
this
project,
use
the
raise
hand
function
right
now.
I
can
learn
something.
Thank
you,
okay,
and
please
accept
the
promotion
to
panelists
when
you
hit
when
you
get
that
button,
perfect.
Okay,.
A
So
welcome
welcome
back
for
anyone
in
the
audience
who's
not
associated
with
this
project.
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
is
anyone,
but
this
is
a
1332
Park
Drive,
which
is
a
planned
unit.
Development
and
development
review
permit
to
construct
a
three
units:
Smallmouth
single
family
development,
so
really
different
from
the
the
application
that
we
just
finished
reviewing.
A
A
If,
if
you
have
a
presentation,
a
short
presentation
for
us
today
and
if
so,
you're
you're
welcome
to
share
the
screen
now
we're
running
a
little
slow
but
should
have
should
have
time
for
a
presentation
but
really
highlight
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
revisions
that
you've
you've
made,
which
we've
had
a
chance
to
review,
Linda
and
I
are
ourselves
ahead
of
this
meeting
so
so
take
it
away.
You
should
be
able
to
share
your
screen.
G
I
I
would
like
to
say
that
after
the
last
DRC,
we
went
through
a
lot
of
iterations
with
the
client
department
and
made
several
changes
as
per
their
recommendations
and
before
presence.
I
I
would
like
to
thank
Ellen
Yao,
who
is
our
previous
planner
and
for
a
great
support
and
we're
looking
for
for
the
same
kind
of
support
from
Mr
Jeffrey.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
Ellen
and
thank
you.
Welcome
Jeffrey.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
gulush
DaDa
I'm
designer
of
this
project,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
so
detail
just
the
concentrate
on
the
what
changes
we
did,
how
we
did
and
and
meanwhile
we
got
some
comments
on
Thursday.
We
really
tried
hard
even
last
night
to
finish
all
these
things,
but
you
don't
have
those
package
in
on
I
mean
in
your
hand,
so
Mariam
will
share
the
all
the
changes
we
made.
It
also
before.
A
Before
you
dive
into
that,
just
you
know,
DRC
review
and
staff
review
are
kind
of
on
Parallel
tracks,
but
they
don't
always
fully
sync
up.
So
you
know,
planning
staff
has
to
provide
comment,
letters
within
30
days
of
an
application,
submittal
and,
and
so
often
what
ends
up
happening
is
you
know
the
DRC?
May
it
may
end
up
commenting
on
things
that
you
you
read
in
your
your
comment,
letter
from
staff
just
because
they
are
of
overlapping
interest,
but
you
know
DRC
comments,
sort
of
build
on
build
on
those
staff
level
comments.
A
H
I
know
I
know
I
mean
Jeffrey,
told
us
that
too,
but
we
tried
we
tried
because
we
really
want
to
get
going
with
the
project.
So
at
least
you
can
see
the
changes.
What
we
did
I
mean
it
is
I
think
it
will
help
the
meeting
okay
great.
So
we
start
our
design
with
these
strategies.
As
we
see
neighboring
property
property,
we
share
driveway
developed
three
houses
with
craftsman
style
for
neighborhood
compatibility.
We
also
profiles
three
houses
with
similar
Footprints
with
small
Ado
attached
and
similar
building
buses.
D
H
H
So
existing
lot
is
13
500
square
foot
with
existing
all
building
1100
square
foot.
All
Building
inside
this
will
be
demolished
before
our
new
construction
of
three.
These
three
buildings
start
after
we
see
we
discuss
our
design
many
times
with
the
city
officials.
Somehow
we
couldn't
satisfy
City
with
three
different
style
that
we
had
previously.
Meanwhile,
we
couldn't
decide
to
authentic
style
or
Mediterranean
or
French.
That
would
create
big
contrast
with
neighbors
houses
because
they
are
much
simpler.
H
Styles,
City
official
also
encouraged
us
toward
the
prairie
style,
but
this
style
always
look
nicer
in
large
lands
with
very
large
overhangs.
Here
we
we
have
very
small
side
bags,
I
thought
the
roof
might
get
so
close
to
each
other
clash,
and
then
it
won't
look
good
as
much
as
we
expect.
You
know
and
block
the
Daylights
also
between
houses.
H
So
then
we
decided
to
have
three
buildings
in
contemporary
styles.
So
you
can
see
perfect
for
small
lines
and
small
houses
same
time.
We
will
have
more
consistency
with
neighbors
and
more
consistency
between
houses,
contemporary
style,
usually
defined
as
less
restrictive,
can
incorporate
different
style,
not
rooted
in
any
time
period.
Architecture
mostly
reflects
architectural
trends
of
the
moment
why
we
are
influenced
from
beginning
and
mid
20th
century
modernism.
H
Use
all
of
other
elements
represent.
Today's
building,
Trends
and
characteristic
of
contemporary
architecture
is
one
by
one.
I
am
going
so
how
we
use
I
I'm,
trying
to
explain
new
materials.
These
can
be
local
and
recycled
building
materials,
so
we
are
using
recital
smooth
start
ball
with
sharp
corners.
H
Some
interior
materials
also
will
be
recycled
as
local
materials,
wood
siding
will
be
used
more
contemporary
way
and
more
natural.
Look.
We
use
some
natural,
let's,
let's
Stone,
as
accent
walls
on
facades
for
more
natural
and
contemporary
look
of
the
buildings.
Large
Windows
mostly
placed
non-symmetrically
in
contemporary
architecture.
Our
windows
will
be
energy
efficient,
with
dark,
tin,
sashes
and
field
grids.
As
today's
Trend,
we
tried
some
larger,
large
and
regular
windows
for
each
room.
Necessities
I
mean
if
rooms
are
high
and
big.
So
we
would
put
the
bigger
Windows
larger
Windows.
H
They
are
not
replaced
symmetrically
in
some
area
we
add
Corner
Windows,
as
this
style
characteristic
again
and
see
picture
three,
so
we
highlighted
the
windows
interesting,
another
characteristic,
interesting,
compositional
volumes
and
asymmetrical
facades.
Again,
as
you
see,
we
also
obeyed
this
characteristic.
We,
we
mix
Stone
wood
stucco
with
different
composition
on
each
building
and
add
4K
structural
aluminum
porches
added
more
interest
to
our
facades.
H
We
paid
a
lot
of
attention
from
beginning
to
our
houses,
not
become
boxy
looking
buildings
with
setting
back
second
floor
as
much
as
we
can
having
most
horizontal
lines
over
first
floor
and
be
able
to
create
vertical
element
in
living
room
lot.
A
and
B
creates
more
balance
and
interesting
composition,
especially
when
we
change
the
material
on
this
make
more
attractive
again.
Our
dark
color,
aluminum,
porches
or
balconies
completely
designed
why
they
are
less
than
the
masses,
see
picture
two
and
four
so
open
floor
plans
and
other
characteristic.
We
always
follow
this
trend.
H
As
new
lifestyle
of
new
generation,
I
can
say,
especially
in
smaller
houses,
gives
more
Airy
Happy
Feelings
for
enhancing
this
feeling.
Even
more,
we
raise
living
room
Heights
little
more
with
larger
windows.
I
wish.
We
could
do
the
same
thing
in
last
sea,
but
we
couldn't
do
it
because
of
square
footage
and
setback
limits.
H
Another
characteristic
clean
lines
and
neatness
again,
we
paid
attention
to
have
not
so
much
different
lines.
Most
of
our
lines
are
clean,
horizontal
lines
on
second
floor
roof
lines
with
large
overhangs.
We
didn't
use
any
regular
roof
above
first
floor,
only
flat
roof
for
more
neatness
and
contemporary
look
and
adding
some
neat
vertical
squares
with
higher
living
rooms
creates
best
contrast
with
nice
proportion
on
buildings.
H
After
all
this
time
we
are
not
applying
any
exception
for
setbacks
and
other
things
we
made
many
adjustments
and
changes
on
our
plans
to
comply
with
minimum
setback
requirements.
We
really
tried
and
spent
a
lot
of
time
this
time
for
to
provide
all
the
requests
by
city
official.
Even
if,
in
the
beginning,
we
thought
we
can
definitely
get
setback
exception,
like
other
neighbor
property
did
I
hope.
You
appreciate
our
hard
work
this
time
and
like
the
design
and
let
us
proceed
to
our
building
department
on
our
projects.
Thanks
for
all
your
help,.
A
Thank
you
wish
I
appreciate
the
third
presentation
and
quick
at
that
as
well.
So
let
me
just
quickly
turn
into
our
our
smart
empty
list.
I
know
there's
one
staff
member
there,
but
if
anyone
in
the
audience
does
wish
to
ask
any
questions
or
share
comments,
please
raise
your
hand
now:
okay,
seeing
no
one
with
a
raised
hands,
I'll,
bring
it
back
to
DRC
body,
yeah,
I,
think
and
and
then
they
can
jump
in.
A
If
she
disagrees,
you
know
we
both
observed
that
some
of
the
some
of
the
the
challenges
that
we
we
talked
with
you
about
in
the
the
prior
proposal
of
have
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
change
that
you
made
to
the
architectural
style
of
the
buildings,
and
so
just
wanted
to
start
start
off
with
you
know
commending
you
on
the
work
done
as
well
as
addressing
the
the
setback
issue,
which
I
recall,
did
come
up
as
well
at
the
last
DRC.
A
So
I,
though
there
are
some
final,
much
more
detailed
things
that
I
think
we're
gonna
have
today
for
you
as
far
as
final
recommendations,
I
I
wanted
to
to
start
off
by
by
commenting
you
on
the
the
progress
made
since
the
last
DRC.
A
Before
we
we
dive
into
the
the
buildings,
there
are
a
few
site
and
landscape
design,
related
items
that
and
then
I
just
bash
through
that
are
part
of
our
final
recommendations.
I
think
most
of
these
are
going
to
be
familiar
with
to
you,
because
staff
may
have
already
raised
them
with
you.
A
You
know
the
first
thing
is
and
I
know
you're
you're
trying
to
get
to
to
public
hearings
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
we
want
to
help
with
that.
But
I
I
would
highly
advise.
You
know
making
sure
that
you're
consistently
updating
your
your
architectural
site
plans,
landscape
site
plans
and
civil
drawings
to
to
show
the
tree
preservation
that
you're
going
to
be
doing,
particularly
along
the
Park
Drive
Frontage,
and
the
resultant
sidewalk
condition
that
will
facilitate
the
tree
preservation.
A
We
get
so
many
comments
from
community
members
about
wanting
tree
preservation
and
so
the
recommendation
for
making
sure
that
the
up
that
all
the
plans
consistently
show
it
is
twofold
one
to
avoid
folks
unnecessarily
making
public
comment.
When
you
get
the
public
hearing
wanting,
you
know
wanting
tree
preservation
and
being
confused
when
they
see
inconsistent
stuff
in
the
plans
so
like
own,
what
you're
doing
it
should
be
celebrated
and
two
it
just.
It
also
avoids
confusion
down
the
line.
A
Jeff
better,
not
be
leaving
us
anytime
soon,
but
it's
it's
just
it's
really.
It's
really
useful
just
to
make
sure
that
the
plans
that
we're
taking
the
public
hearing
like
show
show
correctly
what
your
proposal
is.
So
please
work
with
them
on
that
kind
of.
Similarly,
we
we
do
need
an
overall
planting
plan.
A
I
know
that
you
have
several
trees,
that
you're,
proposing
and
and
staff
will
work
with
you
on
locations
and
making
sure
that
we
understand
what
the
canopy
is,
because
our
community
has
big
goals
as
far
as
tree
canopy
Jeff
may
have
some
recommendations
for
you
on
slight
adjustments
to
Tree
locations,
but
we
also
need
what
we
call
understory
planting.
That's
like
your
shrubs
and
your
ground
covers.
A
We
need
that
planting
plan
and-
and
you
should
focus
on-
and
you
may
have
heard
me-
bring
this
up
on
the
last
project-
focus
on
drought,
tolerant
and
California
native
plants.
Our
city
council
has
established
a
really
I
think
great
aspirational
goal
of
having
75
of
the
plant
the
plant
materials,
so
the
overall
plants
in
your
palate,
whether
it's
trees
or
or
shrubs,
or
native
grasses,
to
be
California
natives.
A
So
so
that's
that's
really
important
to
the
community.
You'll
have
a
condition
of
approval
for
that,
no
matter
what?
But
it
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
what
your
objective
is
as
far
as
sort
of
the
understory,
not
just
the
tree
plantings
at
a
at
a
high
level,
and
we
want
it
to
be
water
efficient.
But
we
also
don't
want
it
to
be
barren.
A
A
I
A
H
A
A
And
can
you
see,
is
this
I'm
trying
to
see
this
is?
Is
this
like
the
18
foot
line
right
here?
Yes,
okay,
so
you
have
a
little
bit
of
space
here.
I
would
just
recommend,
like
maybe
notching
out,
that
planter
there,
because
I
think
you
guys
still
have
trash
storage
further
back
right.
Bin
storage
in
the
side
yard
is.
E
A
That
could
work
as
well.
If
you
do
shift
it
to
that
location,
I
would
just
give
it
maybe
an
attractive
kind
of
wood
enclosure.
A
Just
so
that
folks
aren't
staring
at
bands,
it
also
helps
keep
it
secure.
You
know
some
sort
of
like
the
opportunity
to
lock
it,
so
folks
aren't
getting
into
it
too.
A
A
If
you,
if
you
just
stopped
that
that
planter
area
a
few
feet
short
of
the
front
of
the
garage
you
should
be
able
to,
you
know,
be
able
to
whoever
lives
there
should
be
able
to
to
roll
bins
out.
You
know
through
their
driveway,
where
they
actually
are
going
to
be
able
to
control
who's.
There.
D
A
The
guest
parking
space,
it
could
be
a
neighbor,
you
know
it
could
be.
You
know
someone
who's,
just
not
there
at
the
moment,
and
so
so
yeah
I
think
you
have
two
good
options
there,
but
but
overall
that's
a
that's.
A
great
change
and
I
think
we
we
support
that
Linda
you.
You
concur.
F
G
A
Of
the
two
options
that
we
just
talked
about
for
for
the
the
resident
of
Unit
C
to
to
be
able
to
roll
out
bins
would
would
be
effective
and
you
should
work
with
Jeff
on
the
the
final
concept.
A
I
think
the
the
final
kind
of
landscape
comment
we
have
is
is
actually
a
little
bit
more
related
to
to
building
design,
so
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
hold
off
on
on
that
for
now.
But
you
know
in
general,
I
think
the
takeaway
is,
you
know,
you're
doing
good
things
with
the
site
plan,
including
these
most
recent
revisions.
A
Just
we
just
want
to
tighten
things
up
a
little
bit
more
to
to
make
sure
that
the
the
final
plan
set
that
goes
to
public
hearings
really
celebrates
the
the
good
moves
that
you
guys
are
are
folding
into
the
project
proposal.
So
Jeff
will
have
notes
and
he'll
be
able
to
work
with
you
after
after
this
meeting
to
to
make
sure
all
the
eyes
are
dotted
and
T's
are
crossed
on
the
buildings.
A
I
think
there
are
a
few
areas
that
we
we
want
to
touch
on
before
I
get
into
this
and
I'm
only
bringing
it
up
because
I
know
I,
know
Jeff
Jeff
told
me
he
he
mentioned
it
to
you.
Guys
is
because
it
made
it
a
little
bit
confusing
for
for
Linda,
and
my
review
is
the
the
mislabeling
of
the
elevations.
You
know
North
versus
versus
South.
That's
another
thing
just
to
make
sure
you
you
correct
in
the
final
plan
set,
because
we
want
to
try
to
avoid
confusing.
A
A
Okay,
great
but
they're
the
the
kind
of
areas
that
we
want
to
talk
with
you
about
right
right
now
today,
with
final
recommendations,
are
some
of
the
high
volume
spaces
that
you
have
the
fortune
entry
designs,
a
couple
relatively
minor,
I,
think
roof
design
tweaks
that
we
were
recommending
and
then
a
couple
topics
connected
to
your
your
color
materials
and
and
detailing
proposals.
F
Yeah,
yeah
and
and
just
looking
at
these
I'm
gonna
start
on
the
right
hand,
side,
that's
Unit,
A,
we'll
call
it
unit
a
right.
So
one.
F
This
one
is
that
the
the
height
of
the
garage,
the
garage
roof,
is
really
tall
and
it
seems
to
draw
a
lot
more
attention
to
that
garage
area.
D
G
F
Yes,
that
one!
Yes,
because
that
there,
you
can
see
that
foreign.
F
Because
you've
got
a
deck
over
it
and
so
and
with
the
glass
railing
it
doesn't
feel
like
you're,
emphasizing
the
appearance
of
the
garage
as
much
on
the
on
the
one
to
the
right
on
the
unit
a
because
that
parapet
is
so
high.
It
looks
like
the
the
roof
of
the
garage
is
being
emphasized
in
in
I.
Don't
believe,
you've
got
a
deck
above
there,
so
it
seems.
A
And
ordinarily,
we
like
to
see
like
alignment
between
sort
of
features
at
the
first
floor
and
we'll
have
a
comment
about
that.
I
think
on
unit
a
a
little
bit
later,
but
for
the
garage
in
particular,
that
would
be
the
one
location
where
we
think
it
makes
sense
to
lower
and
you
could,
in
a
you
know,
kind
of
establish
a
relationship
or
a
sort
of
a
datum
point
for
the
lower
kind
of
garage
type.
You
know
next
to
it
even
practice.
It.
I
G
A
Emphasized
the
garage
on
on
unit
a
yeah
nice
that
it
has
the
stone
on
it,
but
it's
just
a
little
bit
too
too
high
volume.
That's
and
it's
not
it's
not
needed
so
that
that's
one
of
our
recommendations
for
unit
Unit
A
today.
F
And
there's
some
yeah
there's
another
thing
that
I
noticed
that
I
believe
was
jumping
out
at
me
on
the
design
drawings
that
we
had
and
I
believe
you've
corrected
it
on
here.
Is
it
that
side
light
to
the
entry
door
of
the
Adu
that
was
like
the
the
header
of
it
was
lower
than
the
header
of
the
door,
and
this
looks
so
much
better
when
they're,
aligned
and
I
think
that
header
on
the
window
also
needs
to
align.
So
it's
little
things
like
that.
F
Yeah
yeah
and
then,
if
we
go
well,
we
might
as
well
stay
on
this
I'm
going
to
jump
over
to
Building.
B
is
the
the
front
porch
on
this
one
that
I
think
it's
interesting.
What
you've
done
with
that
with
that
sort
of
L-shaped
form
where
the
roof
of
the
porch
comes
around
and
and
I
think
that's
a
nice
contemporary
statement.
I
think
that
I
think
that
the
post
of
it
feels
heavy,
because
the
post
Vertical
element
is
so
much
thicker
than
the
fascia
of
the
roof
deck
itself.
F
So
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
some
of
your
proportions
on
that,
because
that
feels
it
feels
very
heavy.
F
Yeah
I
believe
on
the
drawings.
Let
me
see
were
you
proposing
that
these
faces
on
the
on
the
porches
that
that's
stucco
I
thought?
I
saw
a
note
that
proposed
that
as
stucco,
which
doesn't
seem
right,
it
seems
like
it
needs
to
be
metal.
F
F
A
Building
B
seemed
like
a
kind
of
a
great
I
I,
wouldn't
call
it
a
starting
point,
but
a
great
reference
point
for
for
treating
each
of
the
entries
that
face
the
driveway
and
the
reason
I
I
say.
Each
of
them
is
because
our
small
that
single
family
guidelines
really
speak
to
how
certain
features
and
I
think
porches
are
actually
one
of
the
things
that's
highlighted
can
can
serve
as
kind
of
like
a
unifying
design
element,
even
when
there's
some
differences
in
the
design
of
each
of
the
buildings.
A
But
we
had
some
recommendations
for
some.
Some
further
tweaks
Linda
just
touched
on
on
one
of
those
that
the
proportions
of
the
column
versus
the
overhang
and
the
the
lack
of
clarity,
because
yeah
your
material
sheet
showed
metal
fascia.
But
you
had
the
markup
or
note
on
your
plans.
It
said
stucco,
the
other
thing
we
wanted
to
recommend
and
it's
a
little
I
think
it's
not
quite
there
here,
but
is,
is
pulling
this
overhang
out
a
little
bit
more
to
actually
function
more
like
a
porch
roof.
A
It's
it
seems
quite
a
bit
shorter
than
the
edge
of
the
The
Landing,
and,
and
so
we
want
to
try,
we
want
to
try
to
beef
up
the
detailing
that
both
will
make
that
landing
area
be
sort
of
more
livable
and
usable
and
sort
of
add
design
character
to
the
project.
A
Came
forward
a
little
bit
more,
the
overhang
came
forward
a
little
bit
more
I
think
that
would
help
another
idea
we
had
and-
and
it
was
really
wonderful
again
to
have
those
photo
examples-
is
we
were
kind
of
inspired
by
what
we
saw
in
in
those
photos,
and
it
seems
like,
with
some
exceptions,
like
the
stone
accent,
is
used
in
a
couple
really
specific
ways:
the
stone
material,
one
of
which
is
around
entries.
A
A
Do
my
best
to
do
a
markup
to
kind
of
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
what
I'm
talking
about
but,
like
the
the
thought
was
like
if
this
Stone
accent
wall
actually
sort
of
came
out
a
little
bit
more
and
and
created
kind
of
like
a
side
wall
for
the
wow,
it's
my
computer's,
also
being
really
fussy
and
actually
created
kind
of
like
a
sidewall
for
the
porch
I.
Think
one
of
the
photos
that
you
had
in
in
your
project
description
did
something
like
that.
It
was
like.
A
It
was
a
little
shorter
and
then
you
you'd
have
like
you
know
this
intersecting
roof
form.
We
thought
that
might
be
really
really
nice
and
it'd
be
a
slightly
different
way
of
using
this
Stone
Accent
on
this
unit,
but
could
be,
could
be
really
attractive
and
yeah.
A
If
you
needed
to
or
wanted
to
for
light,
you
could
even
do
like
a
like
a
punched
opening
in
the
side
that
maybe
is
like
the
same
proportion
as
that
window
there
to
let
like
additional
light
in,
but
the
idea
of
this,
like
this
L
overhang
and
like
a
stone
wall
accent
could
be
a
really
kind
of
classy
kind
of
mid-century.
A
H
A
Yeah
and
again,
the
idea
is
to
really
kind
of
like
celebrate
the
entries
and
and
then
use
a
few
tools
that
you
can
maybe
tweak
and
and
do
slightly
differently
on,
like
two
versus
you
know,
one
to
to
really
give
identity
to
the
the
those
entries
and
it's,
it's
sort
of
I
think
all
all
really
compatible
with
the
the
style
that
you're
proposing
already.
A
A
G
A
A
You
could
create
more
usable
area
there
and
then
you
know,
decide
what
you
think
makes
the
most
sense
like
whether
you
think
you
know
a
metal
railing
or
something
might
be
nice.
Sometimes
people
like
that
kind
of
protected
porch
because
they
feel
like
it's.
It's
it's
more
comfortable.
There's.
A
Exactly
but
I
think
the
key
thing
is
really
to
just
you
know:
pull
those
columns
forward
so
that
you
actually
have
a
usable
landing
area.
I
know
people
like
I
see
a
lot
of
strollers
stored
on
porches,
but
even
you
know
a
couple.
A
couple
seats
to
enjoy
a
happy
hour
drink
in
the
Mountain
View
climate
would
be
great.
A
You
know
how
we
would
recommend
sort
of
further
adjustments
to
to
what
you
started
to
to
put
at
units
B
and
C,
but
we'd
like
to
see
you
carry
that
design
idea
over
to
the
driveway
facing
entry
on
on
unit
a
I
think
our
reaction
was
that
this
puts
a
little
bit
too
much
emphasis
with
the
on
the
balcony
with
the
balcony
on
the
second
floor
and
the
thing
that
we
want
the
design
to
emphasize
is
that
ground
level
entry,
so
you
know
I
I,
think
you
know
if
you
can
incorporate
that
porch
concept.
A
My
initial
thought
was
that
probably
the
balcony
should
just
recess
further
and
and
be
like
part
of
that
white
wall
plane
above
it.
So
the
you
know
that
that
pear
pick
cap
is
just
continuous,
but
if
you
can,
if
you
think
that
you
could
find
a
way
to
integrate
that
balcony
with
a
porch
statement,
then
I
think
we'd
be
open
to
looking
at
that.
I
think
it
just
might
be
simpler
if,
if,
like
a
shallower,
balcony,
wasn't
closed
by
that
that
white
stucco
wall
Linda,
do
you
have
any
any
thoughts.
F
Well,
the
other
thought
I
had
about
it
was
where
you've
got
this
planter
coming
around.
This
is
low
planter
and
maybe
there's
a
way
to
introduce
a
planter,
maybe
a
little
taller
planter
on
the
sides
of
that
porch,
because
I
think
there's
I
think
there's
a
little
a
little
difficulty
with
the
fact
that
the
you
know
the
main
unit
for
the
house
is
facing
the
street,
where
there
is
the
you
know
where
there,
where
there
is
a
big
porch.
F
This
entry
really
goes
into
the
Adu
right,
so
I
would
think
you
don't
want
to
mistake.
The
main
entry
to
the
house
as
being
the
Adu
entry,
so
I
think
there's
there's
something
that
could
be
done
there,
maybe
again
with
Planters
something
that
that
gives
a
little
more
privacy
on
that
porch.
So
people
would
be
happy
sitting
out
there,
but
again
it
doesn't
confuse
where
the
main
house
entry
is
okay,
that
I
thought
was
a
little
a
little
confusing
about
it,
but
that
it
just
needs
to
be
tweaked
to.
A
H
Yeah
yeah,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
much
nicer
if
we
have
that
higher.
In
fact,
in
first
design,
I
think
we
had
that
higher
planter
bed
I,
don't
know
how
we
came
to
lower
later
yeah
and
higher.
Definitely
it
will
just
give
more
continuous
and
a
connected
feeling
with
the
porch
yeah
and
then
balcony
I
easily.
We
can
recess
in
a
line
if
we
don't
want
to
emphasize
that
entrance.
That's
okay!
If
we
are
bringing
the
other
one
more
further.
Well,.
A
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
first
is
like
de-emphasize
like
integrate
the
balcony
and
then
like
pull
pull
some.
You
know
one
of
the
torch
Concepts
so
that
the
the
overhang
is
really
just
about.
You
know
the
like
giving
some
shade
and
and
improving
the
usability
of
the
the
stoop
entry
there
and
then
you
know
maybe
instead
of
you
know,
we
had
talked
about
like
the
high
the
higher
wall.
Here,
maybe
it's
like
what
Linda
said
you
have
like.
You
know
a
planter
sidewall
on
this.
A
This
porch
and,
like
the
column
integrates
with
the
you
know
the
planter
or
something
like
that,
and
then-
and
this
is
just
like
normal
normal
Shrubbery,
so
that
on
Unit
A
you
have
you
know
you
have
stone,
that's
really
highlighting
the
entries
and
then
it's
you
know
just
normal
Landscaping
in
between
them.
I
think
that
could
be
really
classy.
A
Railings
I
I,
we
were
saying
like
if,
if
it's
not
enough
space
to
to
be
a
like
usable
balcony
on
the
second
floor,
I
think
we're
saying
it
like
integrated
with
the
white
stucco
wall
to
either
side.
G
A
This
area,
but
then
we're
still
saying
that
we,
it
would
be
useful
for
you
to
put
like
one
of
the
the
L-shaped
covers
on
the
entry
okay,
but
with
using
the
second
floor
balcony
as
like
a
partial
cover
on
on
on
the
the
driveway
facing
entry
it.
It
was
only
emphasizing
the
second
floor
for
to
us.
It
wasn't
really
highlighting
the
entry
effectively.
H
Okay,
if
you
create
a
balcony
on
top
of
the
garage
which.
A
A
Let's
see
one
final
just
note
that,
because
it's
portrait
connected
on
the
stone
is
anyway,
I
think
Linda
if
you're
just
looking
at
the
the
renderings
here.
How
does
that
look
to
you?
One
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
looking
at
the
photo
you
had
of
the
the
proposed
Stone
in
the
material
board
was
just
that
it
didn't
seem
quite
as
as
crisp's
and
and
clean
as
we
would
would
and
want
to
see,
given
given
the
style
that
you
have,
that
that
sort
of
a.
H
Yes,
it
has
to
be
Legend
Stone.
This
is
looks
like
they
didn't
have
another
hatch,
Forest.
A
So
so
yeah
we
just
we'll
make
sure
that
Jeff
reflects
that
in
his
his
conditions
and
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
get
like
some
physical
samples
and
a
small.
A
F
Yeah
sounds
like
it
and
then
I
guess
one
other
thing
well.
This
is
kind
of
more
related
to
landscape,
but
since
we're
looking
at
this
rendering
the
it
looks
like
you're
still
evolving
the
design
of
your
fences,
because
I
think
what
was
shown
on
our
drawings
looked
a
little.
What
do
I
want
to
say
it
looks.
F
Sort
of
you
know
nothing
that
really
reflects
this
design
style.
So
that's
something
I
would
say
just
keep
working
on
that
something
that's
going
to
reflect
more
of
this
more
contemporary
design.
Style
on
your
fencing,
yeah
and
I
mean
I.
Think
that
you
know
a
black
Iron
Fence
is
fine.
It
just
needs
to
be
in
keeping
with
this
design.
Style.
H
And
then
we
change
the
building
C
also
I
mean
we
pushed
the
garage
in
yeah,
so
yeah
yeah,
and
then
you
guys
suggested
Like
A
L
shape
like
a
plan
B
so
having
some
Stone.
So
we
add
that
stone
also.
So
how?
How
do
you,
like
those.
A
Yeah
yeah
I
think
it
looks
a
lot
better,
I
think
yeah.
We
have
a
similar
comment
on
like
pulling
the
overhang
out
to
to
give
the
the
stoop
protection
and
usability
and
a
bit
of
more
prominence,
and
you
might
want
to
you-
might
have
to
kind
of
reevaluate
what
carrying
it
all
the
way
over.
The
garage
looks
like
if
you're,
if
you're
pulling
it
forward,
that
might
be
a
little
bit
much
for
the
garage
mm-hmm,
because
it
would
be
super
deep
at
that
point.
H
I
mean
because
it
was
too
I
mean
blank
and
too
much
two-story
high.
So
that's
the
reason.
I
wanted
to
break
with
that
porch
over
the
garage
even
over
the
garage
also
yeah.
G
A
The
other
thing
we
could
do
like,
since
we
were
just
talking
about
how
like
this
probably
wants
to
come
out
a
little
bit
more.
Is
it
may
be
that
you
just
have
like
a
separate
little
kind
of
like
eyebrow
over
the
over
the
garage?
So
it's
not
it's
not
all
attached,
because
I
think
if
you
pull
the,
if
you
pull
the
overhang
on
the
porch
like
closer
to
the
front
edge
of
the
stoop,
that's
gonna
end
up
being
like
six
feet
of
depth
by
the
garage
which
I
think
would
be
like
yeah.
H
Yeah
yeah,
but
we
usually
shortened
the
in
from
the
Adu
entrance,
so
we
can
have
reasonable
depth
over
the
garage.
G
A
We're
reviewing
and
what
the
public
can
see
when
they're
looking
down
the
driveway
are
those
driveway
facing
entries,
and
so
that's
why
we're
focusing
on
the
design
there
and
and
why
and
then
secondarily,
we
want
those
Stoops
to
feel
like
really
comfortable
and
usable,
like
hopefully
we'll
you
know
continue
to
have
rain,
sometimes
in
the
state
of
California.
So
having
like
a
fully
usable.
A
But
but
yeah
you
can
see
yeah
how,
if
you
and
like,
if
you
made
it
deeper
over
the
over
the
front
porch,
it
would
be.
G
H
A
I
bet
you
could,
if
you,
if
you
just
if
you
focus
that
L
shape
over
the
over
the
the
stoop
entry
and
and
maybe
it
means
you
sort
of
put
the
column
over
here,
you
can
kind
of
reverse
the
pattern
you
could.
You
could
just
have
like
a
a
more
minimal
and
like
detached
eye
eyebrow
over
over
the
garage.
A
A
A
We
have
this
view
before
you
move
away
like
in
general,
I
think
we
found
like
the
flat
roof
at
the
first
floor
on
units
A
and
B,
and
you
have
like
a
a
hip
roof
at
floor,
two
that
that
worked
successfully
in
in
those
two
units,
the
one
area,
if
you
could
just
go
back
to
that
that
page
that
you
just
had
up
where
we
thought
the
flat
roof
of
the
first
floor,
wasn't
as
successful
was
was
over
here
and
and
I
know.
A
It's
like
it's
not
completely
fat,
but
it's
pretty
close
to
Flat,
and
so
our
recommendation
for
that
that
particular
section
of
the
building
is
to
to
introduce
like
a
a
shed
or
a
hip
roof
that
matches
the
the
three
and
twelve
with
a
with
a
little
bit
of
an
eave
that
you
have
at
the
second
floor,
just
because
the
flat
roof
doesn't
feel
like
it
fits
in
as
well.
In
that
unit.
A
I
think
because
it's
so
deep
that
the
building
area
is
is
much
a
much
deeper
proportion
than
other
other
locations
where
you've
got
a
flat
roof.
At
the
first
floor.
G
H
About
if
we
can
make
that
area
more
higher,
like
the
other
area,
can
you
show
the
other
side,
because
there
was
some
I
mean
really
problems
on
the
entrance
in
terms
of
building
C?
H
H
You
you
see
this
area
I
erased
it,
because
I
wanted
to
have
okay
stuff
in
here,
yeah
I
I
wanted
to
have
that
porch.
In
fact,
that
porch
can
be
more
longer
yeah
to
just
hit
the
wall
not
to
clash
with
the
gutters
we
are
providing
in
here.
So
I
think
it
is
maybe
better
to
just
continue
this
area
with
the
area
above
because
if
we
do
any
heat
proof
in
here,
it's
gonna
be
worse.
I.
H
A
That
that
might
work,
I
I
would
ask
you
to
show
that
to
show
that
change
to
Jeff
and
and
and
get
his
thought.
The
other
thing
is,
if,
like,
if
you
raise
that
height,
then
you'd
you
could
you
could
do
it
would
be
easier
for
you
to
sort
of
integrate
a
roof
form
that
covers
that
entire
area
and
you'd
avoid
that
Cricket
issue
that
you
would
otherwise
have
here
right.
A
So
so
yeah,
if
you
yeah,
I,
think
if
it
might
work.
If
you
raise
the
height
there
and
then
work
with
Jeff
on
whether
that
seems
to
resolve
the
the
issue
or
whether
you
should
still
look
at
doing
a
shed
or
a
hip
roof
there.
Okay.
A
A
Maybe
could
you
could
you
shift
it
around
so
that
we're
seeing
the
unit
the
unit
a
living
room.
H
A
H
A
Linda
you
want
to
give
my
voice
a
break
I'm
starting
to
get
a
little
hoarse.
Sorry,
you
know
if,
if
your
audio
is
working,
that'd
be
great,
so.
F
H
H
Comment
but
I
am
in
in
reality.
If
we
do
the
race,
such
as
small
living
room
I
mean
it,
it
can
make
it
much
Airy
and
better
looking
inside
and
outside.
Also
we
have
one
continuous,
just
a
horizontal
line.
It
gives
little
bits
more
vertical
line
to
create
the
contrast.
This
was
my
opinion
I,
always
like
that
horizontal
and
Arctic
vertical
compositions,
but
anyway
this
is
I'm.
Listening
to
you
guys.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
that
there
are,
there
are
designs
that
that
do
that
more
that
do
that
effectively,
I
I
agree
with
you,
you
glitch
there's
often
something
that
is,
is
nice
to
have
a
sort
of
a
vertical
element
that
interrupts
overly
long
Assad,
but
I
think
with
the
shape
of
these
buildings
and
and
the
size
of
these
buildings,
it
it
what
it
ends
up,
doing
is
sort
of
standing
out
in
in
in
a
way
that
that
to
detracts
from
some
of
the
other
moves
that
you
have
like
this
really
strong
primary.
A
Like
principle
dwelling
unit
porch
and-
and
you
know,
there
are
also
some
things
that
we
were
noting-
that
create
kind
of
a
weird
that
would
create
a
kind
of
a
weird
and
condition
on
the
interior,
so
like
Unit
B,
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
minute,
but
I
I
think
our
recommendation
when
we
were
looking
at
it
is
that
it
would
be.
This
is
one
of
those
occasions
where
it'd
be
better
to
just
simplify.
F
I
suppose
one
other
way
to
handle
it
is
looking
at
that
idea
of
a
shed
roof
like
we
were
talking
about
on
the
other
end
of
the
of
you
know,
of
the
other
building
the
building
C
that
maybe
there's
a
way
to
shed
it
so
that
it's
still
high
at
one
end
of
the
living
room
and
then
it
sheds
down
and
somehow
that
relates
to
the
porch
of
this.
F
Of
that
entry,
I
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
it's
just
it's
just
another
thought,
but
with
this
contemporary
expression,
you
can
introduce
sheds
sometimes
and
have
that
work.
So
that's
another
thought
if,
as
long
as
you're,
if
you're
trying
to
really
keep
some
additional
height
in
that
living,
room.
A
On
yeah
I
think
you'd
have
to
like
and
like
it
would
have
to
kind
of
go
like
like
that.
Probably
across
the
facade
like
you
want
to
integrate,
it
I
think
with
the
root
form,
so
the
left
over
the
courts.
A
Mean
the
only
thing
is
like,
even
even
if,
even
if
you
were
to
reduce
the
height,
you
know
of
the
the
living
room,
so
that
like
was
it
12-5
line,
because
you
don't
have.
You
know
second
floor
above
it
like
you're,
still
going
to
have
an
opportunity
for
some
really
like
high
volume
space.
There.
A
Yeah
yeah,
and
it
gives
you
like
a
it-
gives
you
I,
think
a
nice
proportion
to
do
something
like
what
you
have.
What
you
have
over
here.
You've
got
this
like
really
nice
kind
of
lintel
detail
that,
like
creates
kind
of
a
clear
story
or
transom
window
with,
like
the
picture
window
below
and
yeah
I
thought
that
that
would
be
really
good
to
carry
through,
so
that
there's
like
internal
consistency
within
the
living
room
like
you're,
not
looking
at
one
wall
and
having
a
different
condition.
A
It
also
gives
people
an
opportunity
to
like
leave,
leave
the
upper
window
area
kind
of
open.
So
that
light
in
but
like
this
is
an
opportunity
to
like
a
place
to
install
blinds
or
Shades
or
things
for
you
know
for
for
privacy,
but
even
if
you,
even
if
you
lowered
that
line
to
about
12-5
I,
think
you'd
still
have
enough
vertical
clearance
to
do
like
a
really
nice.
A
Kind
of
modeled
on
what
you
have
there
and
it
would
it
could
you
could
have
like
a
really
you
know
clean,
clean
dividing
line.
It
would
be
I,
think
pretty
pretty
appropriate
to
the
style.
Yeah.
H
I
I
understand
I,
think
I
think
we
can
do
that
I'm
because
I
rather
to
just
to
align
all
these,
because
that
in
the
lower
flat
roof
we
need
to
have
a
line.
All
the
gutters
together.
H
A
H
A
Yeah,
if
you
did
still
want
a
little
bit
of
of
height
variation
on
on
this
facade
like
you,
could
have
like
alignment
sort
of
at
this
back
Edge
and
then
like
maybe
slightly
drop
the
the
height
on
the
porch,
so
that
it's
sort
of
secondary
sits
just
below
the
the
body
of
the
the
building
behind
it.
That
would
be
another
option
if
you
still
wanted
to
maintain
a
little
bit
of
of
up
and
down
along
the
facade,
because.
G
A
You
have
like
another
like
below
this
bottom
edge
here.
You
still
have
like
another
foot
or
more
before
you
get
to
like
the
top
of
the
door
as
an
example,
so
that
that's
another
thing
to
play
around
with
and
yeah.
If
you
want
to
preserve
that
height
variation
in.
H
Fact
I
was
thinking,
maybe
just
a
little
bit
higher
entrance
porch
no.
A
Yeah
I,
don't
know
if
this
area
really
really
needs
needs
that
I
think
I
feel
like
most
of
the
the
homes
that
I
I
saw
when
I
drove
around
that
neighborhood
tend
to
have
like
a
little
bit
simpler
and
quieter.
I
think
the
the
the
like,
the
the
horizontal
that
you
have
is
the
the
real
selling
Port
point
on
that
porch
and
I.
Think.
A
A
A
Yeah
and
then
I
think
the
final
thing
we
had
was
just
a
little
bit
of
commentary
on
on
materials.
I
think
things
looked
a
lot
a
lot
better
in
in
these.
A
In
these
renderings
Linda,
you
and
I
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
whether
it
just
made
sense,
especially
it
with
the
height
change.
We
were
just
talking
about
in
the
living
room
if
the
sort
of
the
stucco
just
pulled
through
at
at
the
first
floor
on
Unit
A
along
along
Park
Drive.
F
Yeah
I
think
so
I
mean,
let's
see
if
we
look
at
one
of
those
renderings
again.
The
renderings
are.
A
Can
you
show
the
the
Park
Drive
facade
yeah.
H
A
So
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
thinking,
particularly
in
view
of
what
we
were
just
talking
about
with
the
living
room
is,
is
if
yeah,
because
you're
proposing
such
a
nice
sucker
finish.
If
this
stucco.
F
I
F
A
G
A
Yeah
I
think
it
I,
don't
remember,
it
might
not
have
been
initially
yeah,
I
think,
even
if
it
drops
it
could
work
the
porch
kind
of
serves
as
a
dividing
a
dividing
line
and
there's
kind
of
like
I
think.
H
A
H
F
Yeah
I
think
so
I
think
it's
fine
looking
at
these
These
are
really
helpful
by
the
way.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
full
3d
that
we
can
look
around
at.
This
is
very
helpful.
A
So
yeah
I
think
you
know,
with
with
the
changes
that
you've
made
and
you're
able
to
share
with
us
today,
like
the
material
application,
is
feeling
a
little
bit
better.
I
think
we'll
want
to
address
that
high
volume
issue
on
each
of
the
units
and
yeah
I
think
Jeff
probably
has
really
detailed
notes
to
follow
up
with
you
on
afterwards.
Our
most
of
our
Focus
really
well
is
on
this.
This
portion,
porch
entry
conditions
and,
and
it
was
it-
was
really
useful.
A
Thank
you
for
putting
in
the
hard
work
to
try
to
make
some
initial
updates
between
when
you
got
the
letter
in
today,
because
it
ended
up
really
helping
our
conversation.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
I
think
these
should
be
you
know.
Hopefully
it
sounds
like
you
see.
You
feel
like
these
are
pretty
straightforward
items
that
you
can
address
so
work
with
Jeff.
H
A
On
which
ones
maybe
are
most
important
to
get
into
the
next
and
final
applications
submittal
you
make
versus
things
that
he
can
address
through
like
standard
design
conditions
of
approval,
because,
like
I
said
earlier,
you
know
we
wanna,
we
wanna
make
sure
that
you
guys
are
are
on
a
good
path
to
getting
to
your
final
public
hearings
and
and
I
think
today's
conversation,
I'm
I'm,
feeling
really
good
about
where
things
are
heading
with
the
design,
so
so
I
think
that
wraps
things
up
for
today.
H
F
A
Yep,
no,
that's
that's
a
hundred
percent
the
case
we
want
to
you
know
you,
you
made
it
a
long
way
and
we
want
to
you
know
we
want
to
continue
that
that
good,
positive
momentum.
So
let's
let's
get
this,
let's
get
this
wrapped
up
with
you.
We're
we're
happy
that
you've
made
it
thus
far
and
are
excited
to
see
the
final
revisions.
Mark
Jeff
will
see
them
and
I'll
see
you
then,
but
Linda
will
only
see
them
when
we
show
her
photos.