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A
B
B
I'll
just
ask
for
a
little
bit
more
of
your
patience,
while
I
wait
for
PRC
and
staff
colleagues
to
join
me
and
do
promotions
to
the
panel
for
folks
who
are
proposing
the
first
project
on
our
agenda
today.
So
just
please
one
moment.
C
B
So
Linda
I'm
just
promoting
items.
People
for
the
first
item
so
hang
tight.
D
B
B
Awesome:
okay:
they
should
be
joining
so
with
that.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
for
your
patience.
This
is
the
development
review
committee
meeting
of
well
December
7th
just
quickly
a
matter
of
order.
During
this
the
clear
state
of
emergency.
This
meeting
is
being
conducted
in
accordance
with
California
government
code.
54
953e
is
authorized
by
resolution
of
the
city
council.
B
You
can
contact
the
city
clerk
at
City
city.clercmountainview.gov
to
obtain
a
copy
of
the
applicable
resolution.
All
members
of
the
drcn
staff
are
participating
by
video
conference
with
new
physical
meeting
location.
Members
of
the
public
who
are
here
today
are
going
to
be
able
to
to
comment
on
each
item
and
we
did
receive
some
written
correspondence
which
I'll
touch
on
at
the
point
in
which
we're
discussing
each
project.
B
B
If
you
are
calling
in
you
can
dial
Star,
nine
and
I
will
call
on
folks
individually
and
if
you're
participating
by
serum,
we'll
use
the
last
digits
of
your
phone
number
and
star
six
will
allow
you
to
unmute
yourself
quickly
with
a
roll
call,
I'm
Deputy,
designing,
administrator,
Rebecca,
Shapiro
I'm
joined
today
on
the
DRC
violin
de
poncini
who's,
our
Consulting
architect.
B
We
have
two
items
as
I
noted
for
each
items
today,
we'll
welcome,
hopefully,
concise
presentation
from
the
development
teams
for
the
projects
followed
by
an
opportunity
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
today
to
share
any
feedback
they
have
on
the
slider
building
design,
and
then
you
know
bring
it
back
to
the
group
to
have
conversations
about
about
the
the
project
designs
with
each
of
the
applicant
teams.
So
with
that.
B
Our
first
item
is
a
development
of
a
seven
story:
366
unit
Apartment
project
at
320,
lobe
and
I
welcome
a
presentation
on
where
the
project
is
today.
This
is
returning
for
a
second
and
final
DRC
recommendations.
F
G
G
Thank
you
to
the
design
Review
Committee
for
your
time
today.
My
name
is
Lisa
Fife
with
carmel
partners
and
I'm
joined
by
Adam
and
Greg
from
our
office,
as
well
as
Kevin
from
piezock
and
Daniel
and
James
from
the
gizzardo
partnership.
We
are
here
today
to
present
the
320
local
project
to
the
DRC
committee
for
the
second
time
next
slide.
G
As
a
brief
reminder
of
the
320
load,
project
is
located
within
the
East
Westman
precise
plan
right
adjacent
to
the
VTA
Rail
and
is
in
the
vicinity
of
the
Google
whisman
precise
plan
project
next
slide
as
a
brief
agenda
for
today,
we're
going
to
briefly
introduce
a
project
go
over
a
few
items
that
we
heard
from
our
first
DRC
a
hearing,
and
then
we
will
present
the
updates
to
the
site
in
building
design
in
response
to
that
feedback.
Next
slide.
G
As
a
reminder,
the
project
team,
the
developers,
Carmel
partners
and
we're
joined
by
our
architect
pie
talking
landscape,
architect,
the
gizzardo
partnership
and
Kathy
Thibodeaux
is
our
community
liaison
for
the
project
next
slide.
G
From
a
brief
reminder,
the
site
is
a
2.1
for
Acre
Site.
We
are
proposing
a
project
of
an
far
3.5,
which
is
366
units,
a
mix
of
Studio
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
There
are
55
on-site,
affordable
units,
as
Rebecca
mentioned,
the
proposed
project
is
seven
stories
over
three
levels
of
subterranean
parking
that
include
4-12
parking
stalls
and
4012
bike
parking
stalls
next
slide
coming
out
of
our
first
DRC
hearing.
E
Thanks
Lisa,
my
name
is
Daniel
with
the
gazardo
partnership
landscape-
architect,
along
with
my
colleague
James,
so
just
to
give
a
brief
summary
about
the
site
plan.
I
think
we're
fairly
familiar
with
it,
but
we
have
a
mix
of
different
circulation
around
the
site.
We
have
a
asphalt
multi-use
path,
we
have
concrete
colored,
concrete
walkways,
also
accent,
Paving,
plazas,
Turf
block
to
soften
the
ground,
plane
and
a
variety
of
small
plazas
and
seating
opportunities
and
in
terms
of
planting
and
trees
on
site.
E
Now
there
are
41
existing
trees
and,
after
a
analysis
of
all
the
trees
we
concluded
due
to
their
location
and
health,
we
could
save
three
of
those
trees
which
are
located
at
the
bottom
of
the
page
along
the
VTA
path,
and
the
replacement
requirement
for
new
trees
is
54
trees
and
we
are
now
actually
planting
98
new
trees,
so
we're
almost
doubling
the
replacement
ratio
required
and
in
terms
of
tree
canopy,
the
existing
canopy
is
about
24
and
at
full
growth.
Our
new
tree
canopy
will
be
slightly
over
30
percent.
A
E
We're
exceeding
the
the
canopy
as
well
and
next
slide,
please
so
one
of
the
areas
that
was
of
a
discussion
last
round
was
this
vehicular
Drive,
so
we're
zooming
in
here
and
discussing
some
of
the
improvements
that
we
made.
E
If
you
recall,
it's
broken
down
into
three
sort
of
zones
on
the
far
right
is
the
is
the
everyday
vehicular
traffic
from
residents
that,
where
there's
a
drop
off
and
where
they
can
enter
the
garage
and
then
to
the
left
of
that
in
the
center
area,
divided
by
a
rolled
curve
transition
is
the
loading
and
trash
staging
area.
E
This
area
is
differentiated
in
the
paving
by
reversing
the
the
color
of
the
Bands
to
help
differentiate
it
and
to
soften
this
area.
More
working
with
the
Architects.
We
were
able
to
add
a
small
notch
in
the
building
and
add
a
planter
there
to
soften
that
part
of
the
building
facade
with
more
planting
and
then
moving
to
the
left
is
the
third
portion
of
the
vehicular
area.
This
is
just
for
fire
trucks
and
an
Eva
Zone,
and
it
is
divided
by
decorative
ball
removable
bollards.
E
So
it
would
pretty
much
be
a
pedestrian
Plaza
space
and
we've
added
Turf
block
bands
to
to
soften
the
ground,
plane,
there's
a
number
of
bike
racks
and
a
bike
repair
station
and
a
variety
of
different
benches
around
the
plaza
for
seeding
opportunities.
We
added
more
planting
along
the
facade
of
the
building
by
the
bike
storage
area
to
soften
this
space,
and
then
one
of
the
comments
from
last
round
was
creating
more
of
a
Gateway
experience.
E
So
we've
added
several
columns
here,
as
as
people
enter
from
the
VTA
path
in
the
in
the
station,
these
columns
will
serve
as
a
Gateway
and
also
a
signage
and
wayfinding
element
for
pedestrian
and
bike
traffic.
There's
also
a
sign
of
matching
signage
column
at
the
entry
of
the
drive
off
of
the
load
next
slide.
Please
a
few
other
comments
just
wanted
to
touch
on
in
terms
of
screening
the
utilities
on
load.
E
We
are
a
fan
of
using
planting
to
do
that,
instead
of
a
built
structure
of
fence
of
some
sort.
So
here's
some
planting
options
that
do
a
great
job
of
screening
utilities
and
the
majority
of
these
are
native
plants,
and
there
was
also
a
question
last
round
about
the
screen
along
the
western
property
line
with
the
VTA
tracks.
So
this
little
detail
elaborates
on
that.
E
F
Thanks
Daniel,
oh
so
we're
happy
to
be
here
and
present
some
of
the
updates
that
we've
made
since
the
last
meeting
there.
Okay,
so
I'll
start
here
with
this
is
our
early
design
process.
F
We've
been
very
open
kind
of
sharing
how
we
think
about
design
and
what
what
kind
of
ideas
we
thought
would
work
really
well
that
are
fit
to
this
site
in
particular,
and
so
this
is
just
a
reminder
of
where
we
were
when
we
first
started,
and
the
kind
of
iterative
process
that
we've
had
with
planning
on
developing
the
language
for
this
building,
and
so
the
first
few
slides
to
show
those
initial
ideas
and
Concepts.
F
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
because
he's
represented
before,
but
it
just
shows
how
we
had
this
iterative
process
of
improving
the
bass
and
roof
line
of
the
building
and
articulation,
and
in
each
of
these
steps
and
I
think
that
refinement
was.
F
It
was
a
a
very
kind
of
informative
and
collaborative
process
and
I
think
when
we
got
the
last
round
of
comments
I'm
going
to
hit
on
you
know
the
kind
of
main
ones,
the
main
things
we
heard,
which
was
making
the
roof
line
a
bit
more
continuous,
where
we
could
so
and
I
can
show
it
on
the
larger
renderings
you'll,
see
it,
but
just
having
more
kind
of
a
linear
connection
across
where
we
could
extend
trellises,
cutting
back
parapets
over
balconies
and
kind
of
helping
reduce
bulk,
but
then
also
streamlining
that
roof
line,
reducing
the
heaviness
of
the
building
at
the
building
Corners
by
maybe
eroding
them.
F
Looking
at
the
the
way
the
panels
are
expressed,
looking
at
our
window
openings
having
a
more
cohesive
base
so
especially
connecting
along
the
west
side
facing
the
VTA
tracks.
It
was
a
little
bit
too
broken
up
for
this
group,
and
so
we
found
ways
of
connecting
it,
making
it
stronger
and
then
enhancing
the
screening
of
those
on-grade
patios.
And
so
those
are
some
of
the
main
comments
we
heard
I
think
James
all
right
and
we
worked
with
James
and
Daniel.
F
F
So
I'll
start
here
by
just
kind
of
mentioning
that
we
also
provided
a
materials
board
and,
in
our
submission,
went
through
more
much
more
in
detail
both
in
the
elevations
and
providing
this
board
highlighting
the
the
different
materials
and
where
those
are
provided-
and
we
come
back
to
this
at
any
point
and
be
happy
to
discuss
this
but
I
think
the
the
renderings
have
much
more
clarity,
I
think
that
they
were
a
little
washed
out
next
time
and
or
last
time
and
I
think
so.
F
Some
of
these
were
redone,
with
some
showing
the
design
intent
with
the
brick
and
siding
and
different
accent,
materials
that
we're
talking
about
and
and
so
we
we
improved.
These
I
think
the
contrast
was
just
a
little
bit,
often
the
last
one.
So
this
provides
a
better
idea.
What
that
design
intent
is
and
then
same
thing
for
these,
this
ground
level,
View
and
then
we
walk
around.
F
This
is
our
entry
from
the
VTA
Station
side
and,
and
it
shows
a
little
bit
more
planting
along
where
we
have
the
Bike
Room,
but
again
just
some
improvements
to
the
materials
and
textures,
and
you
can
see
how
those
Paving
patterns
and
wall
materials
and
seating,
how
they
all
integrate.
F
He
said
we
have
more
planting
at
the
base
here
and
then
some
of
the
bigger
moves
and
and
kind
of
response
to
the
comments
before
we
we
extended
that
roof
line
across
here
and
also
here.
That
was
a
good
suggestion.
It
helped
kind
of
reduce
the
bulk
of
those
corners.
F
We
also
showed
a
panel,
the
pattern
more
clearly
is
it
being
broken
up,
but
also
eroded
those
Corners
studying
both
the
window
groupings.
Both
the
vertical
bands,
but
also
the
corners,
are
more
opened
up
and
and
then
also
cutting
back
that
parapet
over
the
balconies
on
these
Corners
making
the
the
corners
less
bulky,
and
we
felt
that
that
really
helped
streamline
things.
F
That
covers
this
one
and
then
you'd
come
around
to
this
side.
Same
thing
here
extended
this
trellis
across
it
helps
feel
more
linear,
more
connected
integrated,
and
then
you
start
to
see
the
integration
of
the
base
as
well.
I
think
the
next
slide
actually
shows
more
clearly,
but
then
this
also
shows
the
the
corners
have
also
been
improved
on
this
one
as
well.
F
This
is
a
close-up
view.
We
talked
about
it
at
length.
The
the
grading
has
been
corrected,
I
think
there
was
some
ramping
and
some
strange
pathway
grades,
and
so
that
was
corrected,
we're
starting
to
show
the
wall
that
Daniel
alluded
to
on
the
the
far
left.
F
You
see
the
screening
between
the
units
with
a
vertical
panel
that
helps
provide
some
more
privacy,
as
well
as
the
planting
to
help
provide
more
privacy
for
those
units,
but
then
they
still
feel
connected,
and
then
the
big
move
was
really
introducing
that
lentil
across
the
top
to
help
integrate
the
base.
F
This
was
a
little
bit
too
fragmented
before
for
this
group,
and
we
felt
like
this
was
a
good
suggestion
of
bringing
this
lentil
across
strengthening
this
base
and
then
changing
the
railing
a
little
bit
so
as
a
solid
panel
here,
providing
some
privacy
for
those
units,
but
also
delineating
the
kind
of
what's
above
it
is
more
open
and
Airy,
and
what's
kind
of
at
that
data
is
stronger
and
this
helps
meet
our
open
space
requirements
by
projecting.
F
But
it's
also
a
little
different
I'm
gonna
walk
around
more,
so
this
side
hasn't
changed
too
much.
I
think
just
some
improvements
with
the
planting
and
pathway
happened
before,
and
then
it
shows
the
the
wall.
The
idea
for
the
wall
along
the
right
side.
F
This
view
shows
some
windows
added
to
the
corner,
where
the
near
the
kitchen
to
help
reduce
them
on
a
plank
wall.
This
is
a
kitchen
back
here
we
have
our
panel
joints.
We
opened
up
this
corner
more
and
then
we
cut
this
parapet
back,
and
that
was
also
help
reduce
that
the
bulk
of
that
bookend.
F
This
is
our
log
facade
facing
log
and
and
what
we
did
was
we
brought
this
accent
panel
color
up
into
the
soffit
and
are
studying
the
and
we
looked
at
the
expression
of
a
column
and
the
railings
to
kind
of
help
really
articulate
it
and
I
think
it's
the
the
doubles
and
the
details
we're
going
to
work
on
this
more
with
our
structural
engineer
and
waterproofing
consultant,
and
all
that,
as
we
developed
this
more,
you
know
get
into
like
the
construction
documentation
but
feel
like
that.
F
There's
some
some
really
great
detailing
opportunities
there
and
this
is
walking
around.
You
can
see
the
Sawtooth
and
we
also
I
forgot
to
mention
and
we
improved.
We
had
a
comment
that
the
planting
along
the
roof
line
seemed
like
a
little
bit
much.
It
was
kind
of
overly
optimistic
I
think
so
we
cut
back
on
that
and
then
this
is
back
on
the
low
side
at
our
main
entry,
showing
again
those
improvements
to
the
corner
and
the
other
ones
we've
mentioned
so
I
with
that
I
will
say.
F
Thank
you
and
you
know
we
value
your
feedback.
I
think
it's
been
been
a
great
process
until
this
point
thanks
foreign.
B
Thank
you
Kevin
and
Lisa
and
James,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
my
attention
to
folks
in
our
audience
today.
If
anyone
here
would
like
to
provide
any
feedback
to
the
DRC
and
the
applicant
connected
to
the
site
or
architectural
design,
please
raise
your
hand
now
reminder
star
nine.
If
you're
participating
back
soon.
B
Okay,
no
hands
are
currently
raised,
so
I'll
just
bring
it
back
to
the
panel.
Just
you
know
it
for,
for
everyone's
information.
City
staff
did
receive
two
comment.
Letters
for
this
project
and
I
just
want
to
briefly
mention
for
for
everyone's
information
for
the
record
you're.
The
first
email
letter
actually
sort
of
was
pertinent
to
both
projects
on
today's
agenda
and
sought
to
register
objections
to
removal
of
mature
Heritage
trees
in
the
by
the
projects
for
a
variety
of
Health
biodiversity
and
sustainability
objectives.
B
The
second
comment
specific
to
this
particular
project,
a
couple
things
that
were
really
targeted
to
making
it
just
super
uber
convenient
for
walking
and
bike
biking
through
design
in
order
to
create
healthier,
safer
cities
and
meet
climate
goals.
So
there
are
a
couple
specific
recommendations
that
this
this
person
recommended.
B
First
was
for
bicycle
parking
rooms
in
the
projects
who
have
doors
that
leave
directly
outside
for
convenience,
but
also
to
limit
some
of
the
incompatibilities
that
can
exist
between
sort
of
more
generally
used
circulation,
areas
and
and
and
basically,
and
particularly
during
inclement
weather,
where
mud,
dirt
and
other
things
get
tracked
into
buildings
from
from
bikers.
B
Second,
would
be
focus
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
where
the
recommendation
was
to
incorporate
direct
access
from
the
ground
level
patios
to
the
the
sidewalk
in
the
setback,
area
and
I.
Think
we'll
touch
on
some
of
those
in
our
DRC
discussion
today.
B
So
you
know
first
I,
think
picking
up
where
Kevin
left
off
I
I
would
definitely
agree
that
we've
had
some
very
good
conversations,
both
at
a
staff
and
a
DRC
level
on
this
project-
and
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
remarking
on
is
is
really
how
how
useful
the
design,
studies
and
design
strategy
diagrams
that
you've
Incorporated
on
your
plans
that
have
been
not
just
in
sort
of
illustrating
your
thinking
but
helping
us
sort
of
more
broadly
understand
what
the
goals
are
from
a
design
standpoint
and
in
this
project,
and
it
makes
it
easier
for
us
to
do
our
jobs.
B
So
I'd
like
to
I,
think
I
think
I
talked
about
this
the
last
time
around,
but
I
want
to
again
thank
you
for
for
being
so
so
open
with
those
materials.
There
are
a
few
things
that
we'd
like
to
touch
on
on
the
site
plan
that
are
really
fairly
targeted
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
quickly
run
through
those
those
items.
B
First,
just
in
regards
to
the
above
ground
equipment.
Screening
that
James
touched
on
yeah
I'd
say
that
the
concept
plants
seem
seem
appropriate.
I've
certainly
seen
similar
plants
used
in
other
projects
and
I
think,
particularly
once
they
grow
in,
they
can
be
effective.
B
A
final
recommendation
again
would
just
be
that
you
work
closely
with
staff
on.
You
know:
fine-tuning
sort
of
more
the
precise
placement
of
utilities
to
really
make
sure
that
you're
allowing
adequate
space
for
landscape
screening
when
accounting
for
the
various
sort
of
buffering
access
requirements
to
that
about
ground
equipment.
The
devil's
really
in
the
details
there
and,
and
so
a
general
condition.
No
to
that
effect-
would
be
beneficial
overall.
B
I
also
want
to
Echo
something
that
you
may
have
already
heard
from
staff,
which
is
to
continue
to
work
on
the
short-term
bike
parking
rack
locations
around
the
site,
particularly
because
you
are
implementing
the
use
of
some
precise
plans.
You
know
public
multi-use
path
along
the
the
VTA
Light
Rail
tracks,
that
sort
of
means,
I
think
slightly
different
things
as
far
as
the
locations
that
we
tend
to
tend
to
want
to
see
bike
racks.
B
Just
because
we're
not
just
thinking
about
you
know,
building
visitors
who
are
are
going
to
want
to
be
accessing
the
you
know
the
main
entries,
but
other
amenity
locations
and
access
points
around
the
site.
So
stop
it
indicator.
That's
one
of
the
locations
that
they
were
looking
at
was
around
the
northwest
corner.
Where,
where
the
pathways
intersect
out
there,
coincidentally
I
think
you
know
rejiggering
some
of
those
bike
rack
locations.
Could
you
know
some
easy
opportunities
to
consider?
B
Direct
outside
access
to
the
bike
rooms
I
would
say,
try
to
get
at
least
one
of
the
bike
rooms
to
have
that
access.
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
pros
and
cons
to
doing
that.
They
can
be
security
risks
but
I
know,
particularly
in
in
our
in
larger
residential
projects.
In
our
downtown
one
of
the
things
that
residents
have
really
remarked
on
are
the
the
bike
rooms
that
have
direct
exterior
access
for
their
convenience.
B
B
It
was
very
prominent
in
in
views
of
of
the
site
when
sort
of
looking
kind
of
Southwest
from
Logan
and
would
want
to
see
you
look
at
either
stepping
down
that
wall
or
or
pulling
it
back
from
the
property
line.
Obviously
we
want.
We
want
sort
of
some
sort
of
Good,
Neighbor
condition
there
and
similarly
something
that
helps
reduce
views
of
that
Transformer
area,
but
it
it
kind
of
had
more
prominence
than
in
the
building
itself,
which
we've
generally
really
liked
in
the
past.
B
The
building
that
is,
that
said,
I
if
it's
possible
to
to
get
some
slightly
taller
plants
in
that
near
planting
area.
You
have
on
the
building
side,
but
just
do
a
little
bit
of
view.
Interruption
I'm
gonna
just
quickly
annotate
the
area
I'm
talking
about
right
around
there,
so
you
see
more
sort
of
taller
Landscaping
than
than
the
area
leading
to
the
Transformer
room.
I
think
there's
some
minor
improvements.
You
could
make
it
there
so.
B
And
I
think
the
one
last
thing
that
that
I
would
recommend
and
and
Linda
I
apologize,
I,
don't
think.
B
We've
talked
about
this
one
before
but
I
think
the
the
concept
for
the
you
know
this
sort
of
salivarly
southerly,
wow
I,
don't
know
where
southerly
came
from,
but
in
this
southerly
area
has
has
come,
come
along
quite
a
way
from
from
the
earliest
days
on
this
project
and
is,
is,
is
looking
substantially
improved
from
early
Concepts
I'd
like
to
encourage
you
to
to
really
evaluate
what
the
sort
of
programmatic
aspects
of
the
service
use
of
this.
B
This
middle
portion
is,
and
if
you
think
it
will
be
low
enough
to
to
just
consider
a
little
bit
more
how
this
this
area,
so
maybe
in
a
more
modular
way,
could
could
add
sort
of
additional
amenities
to
the
the
more
people
focused
space.
So
we
can
sort
of
you
know,
bleed
more
more
people
and
less
less
vehicle
be
used
into
this
area
to
the
extent
that
you're
not
going
to
be
seeing
moving
vans
and
and
trash
trucks
there.
All
the
time.
B
B
But
I
think
it
would
be
worth
seeing
if
there's
ways
to
get
sort
of,
maybe
more
than
a
third
of
this
space.
That's
that's.
Really
more
people
focused.
B
And
I
think
that
was
that
was
it
on
the
the
site.
To
be
absolutely
honest,
this
this
is
this
is
one
of
those
projects
where
today,
we're
really
just
on
on
the
design
side,
have
much
more
targeted
in
detail
final
recommendations.
There's
I
think
nothing
really
big,
that
we're
going
to
be
recommending
on
the
building
design
and-
and
that
is
a
long-winded
way
of
saying
that
overall,
we
were
very
pleased
with
the
revisions
that
you've
made
to
the
project
design
since
the
last
CRC
review.
B
B
Linda,
you
want
to
start
with
Stoops
or
you
want
to
start
with
Windows.
What
do
you
think
I'm?
Sorry?
What
do
you
think
Stoops
or
Windows
is
a
starting
point?
Oh.
C
Well,
let's
start
with
Stoops
I
think,
that's
that's
a
pretty
straightforward,
easy
one
I
think
we
had
wanted
to
be
sure
that
the
Stoops
were
more
emphasized
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
we
thought
of
that
might
be
just
a
very
simple
solution
was
to
introduce
some
color
into
that
back
wall
if
those
of
those
little
Courtyards
and
that
would
just
bring
some
more
attention
to
that
and
make
it
make
it
pop
a
little
bit
right
now
it
it's
sort
of
it's
recessed,
but
there
is
a
real
differentiation.
C
I
think
that
the
using
that
soffit
material
in
there
is
a
great
idea
and
maybe
there's
a
way
to
bring
some
of
that
color
or
a
different
accent.
Color
down
onto
that
wall.
That
was
one
of
the
things
we
we
thought
would
emphasize
those
a
little
bit
more.
B
Yeah
I'll
just
add
that
definitely
glad
to
hear
that
that
ramping
thing
that
we
we
noticed
last.
A
H
B
That
it
was
an
error
and
easily
resolved
it.
It
looks
it
looks
much
better
for
for
that
change.
B
B
You
know
whether
that's
that's
something
like
you
know,
a
wall
that
picks
up
picks
up
on
on,
like
you
know
the
brick
character
you
have
elsewhere
in
the
projects
or
or
something
else
that
just
you
know
that
adds
up.
I
know
your
your
concept
was
really
trying
to
be
thoughtful
about
the
landscape,
design
and
I.
Think
that
will
really
look
well
and
we'll
end
up
looking
pretty
good
along
this
Frontage
I
think
the
the
railing
or
a
wall
that
design
there
could
also
really
add
to
the
Sleep
condition.
B
C
Well,
in
looking
at
it,
it
feels
a
little
heavy
and
I
think
that
it's
understandable
in
terms
of
trying
to
change
that
that
massing
feeling.
C
C
So
if
you
could
maybe
take
a
look
at
that,
it's
understandable
how
you're
trying
to
differentiate
it
from
the
from
the
balcony
above
where
it's
it's
more
of
a
you
know,
just
a
metal
facade
basing
on
those
balconies,
but
it
felt
a
little
heavy.
B
C
It's
a
matter
of
taking
a
look
at
that
and
see
if
that
could
be
dealt
with
a
little
differently.
We
we
like
the
the
fact
that
you
added
that
the
continuation
of
the.
C
The
edge
of
the
you
know
the
base
I'm
going
to
call
it
the
base
of
the
building
there.
B
Yeah
and
together
I
I
think
it's
probably
not
a
color
thing.
You
know-
maybe
it
might
be
worse
at
that
second
floor
railing
and
creating
just
a
little
bit
of
permeability
in
that
solid
panel
through
some
sort
of
learning
yeah.
Maybe
that's
something
you
play
with
as
far
as
looking
at
the
ground
floor,
Stoops
as
well
like
really
relate
the
two,
but
but
yeah
it's
it
for
me.
B
It
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
heavy
issue,
but
also
it
just
feels
really
out
of
character
with
the
rest
of
the
the
design
we
don't
kind
of
have
that
sort
of
solid
paneling
elsewhere
and
kind
of
a
railing
condition
that
I'm
that
I
can
remember
so
lightening
it.
A
little
bit
I
think
would
be
prudent
as
well.
B
Yeah,
could
you
go
to
the
the
the
kind
of
full
bleed,
pretty
view
that
you
had
I
think
on
the
fire
sheet
yeah,
so
one
of
the
other
things
and
that
that
caught
our
eye,
just
in
this
view
in
particular
in
general,
we
we
found
the
changes
to
the
corners
to
be
a
notable
improvement
from
what
we
had
last
seen
and
and
actually
really
appreciated.
Seeing
the
various
options
that
you
you
studied.
B
I
know
you
had
gone
over
those
with
with
staff,
but
it
was.
It
was
also
useful
for
for
DRC
to
to
see
those
as
well
the
right
hand
side.
So
that's
the
Southwest
quarter
of
the
project,
one
of
the
things
that
did
catch
our
eye
was
the
proportions
on
those
sort
of
vertical
slots
that
you
have
there
and
in
particular
those
two
narrower
ones,
really
there's
something
that
felt
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
poorly
proportioned.
B
One
potential
solution
that
occurred
to
us
was
and
I
realized
that
you've
you
have
window
widths
that
are
connected
to
what
the
interior
of
the
unit
is
doing.
But
you
know
one
thought
would
be
studying
something
like
you
know,
widening
that
that
right
hand
stack
of
Windows,
maybe
to
to
be
consistent
with
the
width
of
the
living
room
windows
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
free
Stacks,
but
just
the
the
proportion
of
the
windows
and
sort
of
window
area
to
solid
wall.
B
There
just
seemed
a
little
bit
off,
particularly
and
in
the
angular
views
of
the
facade.
C
Yeah
I
think
my
initial
thought
was,
if,
if
it
just
had
two
slots
instead
of
three,
like
the
other
end,
does
but
understanding
you
know
floor
plan
wise
that
wouldn't
work
at
this
corner,
so
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
really
looking
at
the
at
the
width
of
those
two
more
slender
slots,
whether
making
the
one
that's
closer
to
the
corner.
A
little
wider
just
take
a
look
at
that
see
what
you
might
be
able
to
do.
B
B
B
B
If
you
can
without
losing
trees
to
those
those
ground
level
patios
along
the
north
elevation.
Perhaps
they
could
be
a
little
bit
more
informal
if
needed,
to
preserve
the
trees.
But
you
know
we,
you
need
these
more
urbanizing
areas
of
the
city.
B
We
have
more
permeable
sites,
so
you
know
traditionally
when,
when
we've
looked
at
buildings
that
have
ground
floor
units,
it's
often
been
the
case
that
they
are
are
oriented
towards
a
public
Frontage
and
we're
seeing
more
and
more
public
and
semi-public
frontages
on
non-street
non-public
streets.
So
I
think
it's
prudent
to
to
carry
our
sort
of
direct
unit
access
objectives
around
some
of
these
other,
these
other
sleep
locations
or
ground
level
patio
locations.
C
B
B
C
I
I
was
just
going
to
comment
on
while
we
were
kind
of
on
the
window
subject
that
that
the
idea
of
having
black
frames
on
these
corners
and
then
white
frames
and
other
parts
of
the
of
those
connecting
elements,
I
think
that's
going
to
help
Define
the
the
massing
on
this
building
and
and
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
so
just
wanted
to
compliment
you
on
that
design
feature.
B
Agreed
I
want
to
just
briefly
touch
on
the
the
South
elevation
and
it
seems
I
think
you
you've
glossed
over
some
of
the
changes
there
and,
and
some
of
them
seem
really
small
and
I
think
you
know
we
tend
to
to
look
at
whole
facades
and
you
kind
of
can
lose
sight
of
the
details.
But
you
know
someone
walking
along
the
building.
I
think
will
appreciate
that
small
answer,
Nook
that
you
were
able
to
create.
B
B
The
this
utility
area
is
still
is
still
the
part
of
the
pretty
public
interface
with
the
site
you're
carrying
the
bricks
through
as
far
as
your
design
strategy,
so
kind
of
in
keeping
with
both
you
know
prominent
visibility
and
sort
of
the
the
the
upgraded
base
materials
that
you're
employing
here
I'd
like
you
to
look
at
how
you
can
you
know
design,
you
know,
gates
and
doors
and
other
things
that
are
are
outward
facing
to
these
utilitarian,
these
utility
areas
and
garage
entries
in
a
way
that
feels
like
they're,
architecturally
additive
and
not
just
sort
of
utilitarian.
B
They
obviously
need
to
be
durable
and
and
appropriate
to
the
requirements
of
the
rooms
that
they
are
associated
with,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
are
complementary
to
the
the
high
level
architectural
design
of
the
walls
around
them.
So
that
also
applies
I,
think
to
the
fence.
The
fencing
of
the
Transformer
include
sure
that
faces
the
multi-use
path
where
this
might
actually
be
another.
B
Another
area
where
sort
of
the
design
that
you
incorporate
into
the
balconies
and
or
sleep
railings
could
perhaps
carry
through
in
some
form
to
that
enclosure.
B
B
So
I
guess.
The
first
question
is
the
balcony
stage.
Obviously
the
balconies
are
are
one
of
the
key
components
of
the
building
design,
but
we
weren't
able
to
discern
exactly
what
the
the
balcony
fascia
material
is
proposed
to
be
didn't,
see
a
call
out
on
the
detailed
news
or
elevations
foreign.
F
F
We're
wrapping
I
believe
it's
a
hearty
panel
on
the
painted,
but
it
will
be
painted
to
basically
Express
that
edge,
because
I
think
what
we're
proposing
is
wood,
balconies,
but
I
think
we
want
that
to
feel
finished
and
integrated
with
the
railing.
So
we're
going
to
put
a
panel
finish
panel
and
wrap
that
the
edges
and
have
it.
This
would
be
the
same
color
as
the
the
railing
materials
foreign.
F
Yeah,
it
would
match
the
the
railing
material.
F
It's
a
painted
I
believe
it
may
be
more.
A
A
B
So
it
was
It
was
kind
of
interesting
so
that
these
detailed
views
and
the
elevations
sort
of
showed
it
in
a
a
lighter,
a
lighter
color
and
which,
on
zooming
in
you,
can
see
kind
of
matches
the
railing.
But
several
of
your
3D,
your
3D
views,
gives
kind
of
more
of
a
warmer
tone.
Yeah.
B
Yeah
to
to
it,
and
and
to
be
honest,
warmer
tone,
final
kind
of
really
appealed
to
me
and
I
I
kind
of
like
the
idea
of
sort
of
because
this,
the
soffit
and
the
decking
have
this.
You
know:
wood
wood,
material
of
that
kind
of
pulling
through
the
fascia,
at
least
in
in
regards
to
color
I
need
to
necessarily
be
the
same
material.
C
Yeah,
oh
in
terms
of
the
the
fascia
of
the
of
the
deck
correct,
yeah
yeah
that
yeah
I
I
mean
I
personally,
think
it
shouldn't
match
the
wood
I
think
it
should
be.
You
know
more
related
to
the
railing
itself.
I
think
that
I
think
that
what
would
be
helpful
for
staff
As
you
move
forward
would
be
to
really
provide
a
detail
of
that,
because
just
looking
at
the
way
it's
rendered,
it
almost
looks
like
it's
a
you
know
a
wide
flange
of
Steel,
so.
F
C
So
I
think
the
details
on
that
will
important
for
you,
because
in
the
in
the
renderings
it
it
does
look
like
it's
quite
finished,
but
it
has
a
fair
amount
of
detail
to
it.
If
I'm
expressing
that
correctly,
it
looks
like
it's
got.
C
C
B
Is
definitely
one
of
those
where
clearly.
B
Necessary
I
guess
I
would
also
just
see.
Have
you
work
with
staff
and
take
a
a
closer
look
at.
You
know
how
how
the
you
know,
how
that
that's
a
facade
level,
appearance
of
the
building
differs
with
you
know
what
you
just
described
as
the
proposal
in
regards
to
the
facial
color.
B
It
it
didn't
there
were.
There
were
many
renderings
that
that
felt
like
there
were
warmer
Stones
than
what
you
subscribed
and-
and
maybe
it's
it's
just
you
know
it's
computer
screen
issue,
but
but
you
know,
when
you
zoomed
in
it,
looked
like
the
you
know:
the
railings
were
fairly
silvery
and
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
that
we
still
have
a
warm
color
that
that
helps
these
balconies.
You
know
continue
to
pop
yeah
yeah.
C
Of
the
detailing
of
it
I
think
the
intent
the
intent
looks
good
to
me.
The
question
is:
what
is
the
detail
really
and
what
is
the
color
really,
but
that's
something
that
can
be
reviewed
with
staff
as
you
go
along.
B
And
then
you
know
I'll
just
add,
because
I
finally
look
even
closer
at
the
the
brick
patterning
that
you
have
shown
in
the
and
the
3D,
renderings
and
I
think
the
way
you're
using
differentiated,
patterning
I
think
you
have
at
least
three
different
conditions
really
helps
to
create
more
more
interests
and
dynamic
condition
at
the
base.
That
I
think
is
going
to
be
effective,
yeah,
so
I
do
want
to
to
sort
of
lend
our
support
to
the
approach
that
you've
proposed
there.
B
The
one
other
comment
just
on
clear
information
and
the
plans
is
I,
think
most
of
your
3D
views
have
indicated
that
this
orangey
metal
panel
system
is
is
going
to
have
some
sort
of
like
smaller
increment
patterning
to
it.
But
there
wasn't
a
very
clear
specification,
so
we
couldn't
really
sort
of
tell
like
you
know
more
precisely
what
what
that
pattern
was
actually
going
to
be
in
a
sort
of
a
real
world
example.
B
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
seeing
in
the
3D
renderings
is
something
that's
that's
going
to
actually
kind
of
be
what
you're.
A
B
It
was
hard
to
kind
of
like
close
the
loop
and
I
think
the
more
similar
connotation
gives
us.
Our
notation
gives
us
enough.
Flexibility
to
you
know
make
sure
that
you
can
actually
get
something
from
someone
in
your
instruction
timing,
because
I
know
getting
materials
is
still
hard
right
now
supply
chain
issues,
but
but
the
starting
point
is
just
like
understanding
or
making
sure
that
that
what
you're
specifying
is
consistent
with
the
elevations
and
renderings.
So
we
we
like
that
that
sort
of
smaller
increment,
shingle,
Aid,
detail
I
think
that's
effective.
B
We
have
three
final
recommendations
for
you
today
that
or
maybe
just
to
connect
to
Windows
one
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
we've
been
considering
is
that
this
is
a
this
is
actually
a
pretty
large
building
and
you've
been
very
successful
in
in
creating
smaller
scale
in
what
is
a
pretty
big
building,
and
so
it
could
be
that
it's
just
you
don't
notice
the
some
of
the
fine-grained
details
and,
let's
really
zoom
in,
but
we
we
understand
from
your
material
sheet
that
you're
proposing
a
mix
of
white
and
black
vinyl
windows
in
the
designs.
A
B
When
we
were
looking
at
like
the
elevations
and
3D
views,
like
we
weren't,
actually
really
picking
up
the
white
Windows
very
much
and
and
like
I
said,
it
could
just
be
just
a
scale
thing
when
we're
looking
at
like
a
facade
view,
but
it
like
on
some
of
the
white
white
walls
where
I'm
presuming
that
there's
actually
maybe
I
should
I
should
check.
Myself.
Are
the
the
white
vinyl
windows
on
the
darker
wall,
planned
wall
areas
and
the
darker
windows
on
the
light,
colored
walls?
What's
what's.
F
The
it
kind
of
shows
up
I
think
in
the
3D
views,
especially
when
you're
close
up
I
mean
they're
outlined.
So
you
kind
of
do
you
see
they're
kind
of
crisp,
but
they
show
up
in
mostly
the
middle
sections,
it's
the
corners,
so
it
goes
back
to
the
original,
the
early
diagrams.
So
in
this
early
study
in
terms
of
horse
race
site
strategies,
you
know
I
think
this
early
sketch
that
shows
I'm
gonna,
make
it
bigger,
shows
the
how
we
thought
of
breaking
up
the
building
as
he's
kind
of
corn
like
well.
F
There's
this
like
kind
of
side
Corners
facing
the
VTA
and
then
there's
the
low
Frontage,
and
so
we
think
about
it
as
these
kind
of
bookends,
where
it's
like
this
kind
of
long
facade.
But
then
it's
this
whole
Frontage
on
blog,
and
it
goes
back
to
that
that
early
study,
so
if
or
to
highlight
it
on
a
plan,
it
would
be
kind
of.
Let's
see,
go
to
this
plan.
F
B
B
I
said
it,
it
may
just
be
it's
hard
to
hard
to
review
them
or
parts
of
you
legibly
at
a
at
a
zoomed
out
scale
I'm,
just
given
the
size
of
the
building.
So.
B
The
the
window
details
on
on
sheet
a
a
the
key
thing
we
wanted
to
recommend
was
just
actually
what
what
you
kind
of
touched
on
there,
that
we
appreciate
the
recess
when
the
condition
on
on
stucco
here,
but
would
recommend
that
it
be
slightly
tighter.
It
seemed
like
that
recessed
window
plane
has
like
a
two
inch
frame
around
it,
and
you
seem
to
be
using
sort
of
a
thermal
on
exterior
insulation
or
something
so.
A
B
Just
do
that
pulled
tighter
for
an
examiner,
recessed
detail
if
at
all
possible
it
seems
also
more
true
to
what
we
were.
C
Yeah!
That's
on
that
detail
for
detail
for
on
A8
that
it
has
it's
sort
of
like
a
frame
around
the
frame
and
we
thought
it
would
look
better
to
have
that.
The
foam
that
the
plaster
on
that
foam
come
straight
back
to
the
window,
hard
to
explain
it.
But.
C
B
B
The
material
board
calls
out
a
Glam
or
similar
product,
and
you
know
we
have
some
experience
with
with
at
least
one
line
of
Glam
products,
and
our
our
experience
and
in
our
in
sort
of
our
review
of
photos
from
the
geom
site
are
that
it
doesn't
really
have
as
natural
appearance
as
we
would
want
in
particularly
the
the
locations
where
it's
being
used
or
proposed
to
be
used
closer
to
pedestrian
level.
B
So
we'd
like
to
see
an
alternate
spec
for
for
that
product
and
I
think
that
actually
wraps
up
yeah
I
think
that
under
the
period
today,
so
unless
you
have
any
other
questions,
I
can
I
can
wrap
things
up
by
by
just
saying
I
know
you
have
a
little
bit
of
time
before
the
SQL
document
for
your
project
is
is
complete,
so
it's
it's
always
great.
B
If
you
know
we
can
have
as
many
of
these
recommendations
at
the
rest
of
the
plans
that
go
to
to
council
and
and
EPC
as
possible
if
you're
pressed
for
time,
I
would
focus
on
the
items
that
are
like
more
pedestrian
focus
and
also
clarifying
information
in
the
plans,
because
the
entitlement
set
of
plans
is
really
our
basis
for
subsequent
building,
permit
reviews
and
so
not
having
confusion
about
about
you
know.
B
Specifications
or
details
is
really
ideal
so,
but,
but
you
know,
as
I
I
led
at
the
top
with
you
know.
This
was
a
great
second
review,
because
the
things
that
we
want
to
talk
with
you
about
were
pretty
targeted
and
focused,
because
you
guys
did
a
very
good
job
of
addressing
our
prior
feedback.
So
again,
just
appreciate
the
work
that
that
you
all
have
done,
and
the
sort
of
collaborative
perspective
that
you've
taken
on
this
project
review.
So.
B
So
yeah
that
wraps
up
items
moving
on
to
item
2.2
so
with
with
everyone's
patients,
I'll
have
another
series
of
promotions
that
I'll
have
to
do.
Thank
you
again,
320
about
the
team.
C
I
B
J
No
ST
is
Sharon
I'm,
just
from
the
public.
Okay.
B
Okay,
I
think
I.
Think
I
have
everyone
promoted,
then
so.
Moving
right
along
item
3.2
on
our
agenda
today
is
a
first
review
by
DRC
of
a
proposed
five-story
32
unit,
condominium
residential
condominium
development
at
918,
Rich
Avenue.
B
With
that
very,
very
brief
introduction.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
the
development
team
for
a
brief
presentation,
introducing
us
to
the
project
and
sort
of
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
here
and
then
we'll
open.
Another
public
comment:
free.
I
Thank
you,
Rebecca
I'm
gonna
just
go
ahead
and
start
the
the
slides,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
keep
it.
In
this
view.
We
thought
it
would
be
helpful
just
to
go
over
where
we
are
in
the
process
relative
to
big
picture.
When
we
first
turned
the
project
in
middle
of
last
year,
we
wanted
to
first
get
high
level
comments
from
staff
and
kind
of
understand
what
big
issues
might
be
to
address
before
taking
the
project
and
getting
Community
feedback.
I
So
once
we
did
that
and
collected
staff
information
and
the
first
round
of
comments
and
started
to
make
revisions
to
address
those
issues,
that's
when
we
felt
like
the
right
time
to
bring
the
project
to
the
community
would
be
which
was
in
January
and
February.
Earlier
this
year,
based
on
the
community
feedback
and
staff
feedback,
we
proceeded
to
make
changes
to
the
project
trying
to
address
concerns
and
subsequently,
basically
we're
here
where
here
we
are
now
after
a
few
iterations,
and
what
we
hope
to
do
is
to
get
your
feedback.
I
Today,
we've
received
staff
comments
on
the
latest
submittal
and
then
what
we
plan
to
do
in
January
of
next
year
is
to
have
our
second
community
meeting,
taking
in
all
the
collective
feedback
and
then
comprehensively
addressing
the
things
we
would
need
to
to
resubmit
to
staff
by
end
of
February,
so
high
level.
I
I
would
like
to
just
run
through
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
the
project.
History.
I
do
have
other
project
team
members
here
with
me
today
who
can
address
more
detailed
questions
about
landscape
design.
I
We
also
have
our
property
owner
Greg
Chong
here
who
can
answer
any
other
questions
about
property
as
well,
but
basically,
when
we
first
submitted
the
project
last
year,
it
was
always
our
interest
to
use
this
stepped
massing
concept
to
try
to
mitigate
the
bolt
and
the
height
of
the
project
from
the
adjacent
single
family
and
apartment
apartment
buildings
and
concentrate
the
taller
massing
towards
the
commercial
and
higher
density
properties
on
the
west.
I
So
we
thought
this
was
also
a
great
opportunity
to
incorporate
great,
more
outdoor
open
space
for
the
residents,
and
that
really
is
what
drove
our
desire
to
explore
this
partial
fifth
floor
to
begin
with,
because
we
felt
that
that
would
give
the
greatest
opportunity
to
make
the
building
feel
smaller
on
the
sides
of
the
of
the
property
that
were
more
sensitive
with
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
community
and
from
staff,
which
included
exploring
ways
to
improve
the
landscape
buffer
around
the
perimeter.
I
I
I
I
So
we
did
go
through
a
number
of
iterations
and
changes.
We
actually
did
take
this
original
five-story
concept
and
and
tried
to
make
it
a
four-story
building
which
we
did,
and
actually
it
was
one
of
the
subsequent
resubmittals,
where
we
took
the
three
units
that
we
had
on
the
fifth
floor
and
reworked
the
plans
to
consolidate
everything
onto
a
fifth
floor.
I
We
did
receive
after
that
some
clarification
that,
because
there
was
a
inconsistency
between
how
the
zoning
ordinance
calculated
the
maximum
density
for
this
site,
as
opposed
to
what
the
general
plan
had
that
our
base
density
was
actually
higher
than
we
thought
maximum
density
and
as
a
result,
we
were
required
to
provide
four
below
market
rate
units.
I
I
So,
as
a
result,
we
went
from
a
29
unit
project
with
three
below
market
rate
units
to
a
32
unit
project
with
four
balloon
market
rate
units,
which
meant
that
we
had
to
put
a
partial
fifth
floor
back
on
the
project,
taking
this
into
account
and
understanding
the
sensitivity
around
the
fifth
floor
and
also
taking
in
a
lot
of
very
helpful
feedback
from
staff
where
we
talked
with
them
a
number
of
times
about
the
details
and
the
materials
palette
of
the
project
that
was
previously
proposed.
I
We
worked
to
simplify
and
minimize
the
palette
of
the
building,
reduce
the
number
of
colors
and
materials
that
we
had
originally
proposed
and
tried
to
place
them
in
a
manner
that
really
more
emphasized
the
lower
three-story
base.
And
then
we
felt
that
using
lighter
colors
as
we
moved
up
would
help
the
building
feel
like
it
was
receding
a
bit
more
and
make
the
fifth
floor
feel
a
little
bit
less
pronounced.
I
I
But
ultimately,
what
we
felt
like
was
potentially
appropriate
response
was
to
try
to
step
the
roof
of
the
stair
and
elevator
Tower,
and
we
also
looked
at
simplifying
and
minimizing
the
openings
and
windows
that
we
had
on
the
stair
Tower
which,
before
there
were,
there
was
a
lot
more
glazing
and
it
called
a
lot
more
attention
to
itself
and
we
understood
that
the
neighbors
had
concerns
about
potential
glow
and
light
and
views
from
that.
So
we
try
to
really
Pare
that
down.
I
We
also
addressed
some
staff
comments
about
using
some
detailing
to
emphasize
the
building
entrance.
A
bit
more.
The
site
could
be
couldn't
be
any
more
complicated.
We
have
a
flag
lot
that
has
a
tricky
configuration
to
work
with.
We
have
a
Los
Altos
storm
drain
easement
that
runs
all
the
way
down
the
length
of
the
driveway
and
then
turns
across
the
site
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
Panhandle.
I
So
everything
that
we
did
from
where
the
the
building
built
structures
could
be
located
to
where
the
ramp
could
start
and
stop
were
all
dictated
by
by
these
constraints,
and
we
also
had
to
work
closely
with
fire
to
get
this
ramp
to
the
one
level
of
below
grade
parking
to
work
such
that
they
could
pull
their
fire
truck
up
to
the
building
to
the
proximity
that
they
required,
which
is
why
the
driveway
changed
from
a
straight
on
access
to
this
angular
configuration.
I
We
felt
that
actually
afforded
us
some
opportunity
where,
in
earlier
designs,
we
had
the
building
entrance
tucked
into
this
corner,
and
we
received
staff
comments
that
the
entrance
felt
too
tucked
away.
So
we
felt
that,
in
in
combination
with
what
we
technically
had
to
achieve,
we
were
able
to
relocate
the
building
entrance
to
what
we
felt
like
was
was
a
more
prominent
position
and
better
view
line
from
the
site
entrance.
I
I
The
the
perforated
metal
goes
to
three
foot
six
above
the
floor
of
the
balcony,
and
then
we
added
a
foot
of
horizontal
slats
to
the
top
of
that
to
bring
the
top
of
the
guard
rails
to
four
foot
six,
so
that
it's
still
afforded
some
hints
of
views
and
light
for
the
residents
when
looking
out
from
inside,
but
also
raised
that
that
line
that
could
help
mitigate
and
cut
off
views
towards
the
exterior.
I
We
did
go
around
and
study
window
sizes
a
little
more
closely
and
they
actually
have
been
reduced
from
the
sizes
that
were
originally
proposed.
Window
sills
were
brought
up.
The
placement
of
the
horizontal
shading
devices
were
brought
down
all
to
kind
of
play
with
the
scale
of
the
of
the
elements.
A
little
bit
more.
I
This
is
a
just
an
overall
view
of
the
landscape
plan
which
which
you
hopefully
did
see
in
the
packet
of
drawings.
But
here
this
entry
view
we
wanted
to
really
emphasize
that
they're,
mainly
using
native
plant
materials
and
layered
them
in
a
manner
which
we
think
would
create
a
much
nicer
entrance.
I
We
have
an
entry
plaza
where
we
would
really
like
to
incorporate
opportunities
for
informal
play.
We
have
bench
seating,
oversized,
chests
and
checkers
and
try
to
make
it
an
inviting
space
for
kind
of
multi-generational
play
area
Planters
at
the
ground
level
and
around
the
building
were
strategically
placed
and
raised
in
some
areas
to
really
create
a
nice
green
buffer
for
the
property
edges
and
provided
more
opportunities
for
increased
tree
planting
around
the
perimeter,
so
that
that
would
provide
a
little
more
privacy
between
the
property
and
adjoining
residents
and
for
the
fifth
floor.
I
Roof
Terrace.
We
really
felt
it
important
to
maintain,
especially
after
coveted
times,
understanding
how
important
open
space
is
for
people
to
maintain
a
nice
open
area
that
residents
could
share
and
use.
But
knowing
that
this
was
one
of
the
areas
that
residents
were
quite
concerned
about
in
terms
of
privacy
and
Noise
We
Looked
to
really
focus
the
activity
and
the
attention
towards
the
middle
of
the
space.
We
increased
the
depth
and
height
of
Planters
around
the
edge
that
allows
for
a
denser
amount
of
planting
and
some
trees.
I
We
incorporated
a
glass
windscreen
not
only
for
safety,
so
that
if
anybody
were
to
try
to
climb
on
top
of
the
plant
interiors
that
this
is
a
legal
and
safe
railing
height,
but
that
also
again
lends
to
some
added
screening
and
privacy
and-
and
we
do
feel
like
because
this
is
a
these-
are
single-family
residences-
that
we're
not
trying
to
promote
a
party
atmosphere,
just
a
very
nice
open
space
that
people
can
go
out
and
and
use
and
be
with
their
families
and
and
have
a
chance
to
get
some
fresh
air.
I
So
we
wanted
to
really
take
into
account
all
of
the
feedback
that
we
heard
from
staff
and
the
community
and
are
looking
forward
to
just
hearing
hearing
for
the
first
time
what
your
input
for
us
is.
So
we
appreciate
everything,
hopefully
that
kept
it
short
and
sweet
and
welcome
any
of
your
comments.
I
B
Know
yeah
I
would
say
maybe
to
start
with,
if
you
could
put
up
the
landscape
site
plan
but
sure
before
we
jump
into
you
know,
questions
and
feedback
from
the
DRC
I
will
look
to
our
our
audience
today
and
ask
folks
who
are
there
to
raise
their
hands.
If
you
wish
to
provide
any
comments,
so
first
up
is
Bruce:
England
Bruce.
You
should
be
able
to
speak.
H
Yes,
I
think
so:
thanks
Rebecca
I'm,
Bruce,
England
I'm
speaking
today
for
Mountain
View
Coalition
for
sustainable
planning.
This
looks
like
a
worthy
project.
It
adds
housing
which
we
very
much
need,
and
it's
actually
good
to
see
the
additional
units
in
the
new
proposal.
H
A
couple
of
comments:
city
council
just
last
night
reviewed
a
project,
an
affordable
housing
project
at
1265
Montecito
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
liked
and
members
of
the
community
liked
were
the
natural
elements
in
the
building
materials
and
in
the
exterior
features
the
public
facing
and
open
space
areas.
H
H
You
might
advise
that
I
bring
this
up
at
another
time
and
I
welcome
any
advice
you
have
on
doing
this,
but
from
the
community
there
was
an
ask
about
consideration
for
some
kind
of
a
Paseo
or
something
like
that
as
part
of
the
project
through
Public
Works,
to
connect
Rich
Avenue
over
to
El
Monte,
because
there
really
isn't
a
good
connection
point
there.
I
know
things
are
super
tight
and
maybe
this
is
not
at
all
feasible,
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
right
place
to
bring
it
up,
but
I
wanted
to
at
least
mention
it.
D
Hi
I
am
first
really
pleased
to
see
the
solar
panels
on
the
rooftop.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
in
line
with
that,
both
for
the
last
project
that
was
reviewed
and
now
I'm
curious
that,
since
the
state
is
moving
toward
more
electric
vehicle
promotion,
are
there
plans
for
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
in
the
parking
garage?
Thank
you.
I
Hi
Kathy,
yes,
so
the
plan
would
be
to
have
all
the
parking
in
the
underground
parking
garage
for
the
residents
be
EV
ready.
Yes,
so
that
is
in
the
plans.
B
And
and
I'll
just
the
city
has
a
green
building
code
and
reach
code
standards.
There'll
be
new
codes
that
go
into
effects.
January
1st
and
the
city
in
general
has
been
ahead
of
the
curve
as
far
as
the
state
requirements
are
and
typically
includes,
a
mix
of
EV,
Readiness
and
actual
Chargers
installed.
So
there
will
be
EV
charging
in
in
the
project.
I
I
don't
have
the
details
in
my
head
of
the
the
current
building
code
requirements,
but
but
that
is
that
it
that
is,
and
will
be
part
of
the
project.
B
Next
up
and
the
last
hand
I'm
seeing
raised
is
Carlos
Valdez
Carlos.
You
should
be
able
to
speak.
Okay,
I
see
additional
hands
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
comment
on.
Please
raise
your
hand
now,
but
Carlos
you're
good
to
go.
C
K
K
I'm,
going
to
talk
about
the
importance
for
labor
standards
for
our
community,
whereas
labor
standards,
you
may
ask
that
stands
for
healthcare
operation,
deliverable
wages,
culture
speaking
about
Healthcare.
Do
you
know
that
nearly
50
of
California
construction
workers
rely
on
some
form
of
Public
Assistance,
also
that
one
out
of
four
constructs
to
workers
in
California
like
health
insurance?
That
is
two
and
a
half
the
rate
for
all
California
workers
when
it
comes
to
apprenticeship,
construction,
apprenticeship
programs
have
our
proven
escalator
to
the
middle
class
20
tens
of
thousands
of.
B
We
lost
Carlos,
so
next
up
will
be
St.
J
I
Yes,
we
did
increase
the
number
of
parking
spaces
underground
for
the
residents
to
accommodate
the
added
units,
we're
planning
to
incorporate
parking
lifts
partially
in
the
basement
to
accommodate
additional
spaces.
J
Okay
and
then
on
Slide
Five,
you
had
the
trees
like
growing
up
to
the
fifth
floor.
How
many
years
I
don't
know
what
type
of
trees
those
are?
How
many
years
do
you
expect
that
to
take.
L
That's
a
great
question:
Brian
Glick,
landscape,
architect,
that's
tricky
one!
There
are
studies
that
show,
depending
on
Sun
water,
fertilizer,
all
the
other
great
environmental
factors
and
great
care.
You
know
there
could
be
a
big
variety,
some
of
the
trees
that
we
have
selected.
There
are
a
few
slow
Growers.
The
rest
of
them
are
actually
meat,
moderate
rate
Growers,
so
we're
talking
about
in
the
10
to
15
year
range,
which
is
something
that's
modeled
in
the
canopy
plan
that
we
studied
for
the
for
the
city.
J
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
two
more
questions
for
the
the
to
get
the
additional
units.
I
assume
the
square
footage
was
all
added
to
the
fifth
floor.
It's
the
the
base
size
of
the
the
project
did
not
increase.
Is
that
correct.
B
The
fourth
and
fifth
floor
saw
some
some
modifications,
but
the
the
one
thing
I'll
add
that
on
top
of
that
is,
is
that
this
this
project
is
proposing
a
state
density,
bonus
and
and
as
proposed,
is,
is
under
the
maximum
that
would
be
allowed
pursuant
to
the
state
density,
bonus
law,
Cynthia,
correct
me
if
I'm
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
you
guys
are
not
actually
maxing
out.
What's
what's
permitted
for
the
project,
that's.
I
J
Thank
you
and
then
the
the
first
caller
had
mentioned,
like
a
connection
to
El
Monte
I'm.
How
would
that
be
handled
because
I
know,
with
the
senior
building
going
up,
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
lot
more
traffic
coming
out
on
El
Monte
in
that
way,
I
don't
know
who
or
what
would
what
body
would?
Okay,
like
a
pathways
through
to
the
church,
to
get
to
El
Monte
or
through
the
senior
center?
The
proposed
Senior
Center
I'm.
B
Not
sure
the
short
answer
to
that
question
and
to
Bruce's
comment
is
it's
not
something
that
would
be
addressed
through
this
committee?
I
think
Bruce
indicated
that
he
had.
He
had
directed
The
the
comments
already
to
our
Public
Works
staff,
who
are
heavily
involved
in
anything
regarding
Public,
Access
and
sort
of
public
improvements,
even
when
they
go
through
private
properties.
B
Realistically
I
think
there
there
would
be
exactly
the
challenge
that
you,
you
noted
as
far
as
you
know,
identifying
any
choosable.
You
know
connection
through
the
other
half
of
that
that
block
between
rich
and
and
El
Monte,
so
applicably
it
it
it.
It
may
be,
maybe
infeasible,
but
that's
something
that
that
that
staff
would
be
looking
at.
B
Thank
you,
I
think
we
have
D
luns.
You
should
be
able
to
speak.
M
Well,
I
am
your
happy
neighbor
on
Hollingsworth
that
is
directly
adjacent
to
this
project
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
got
on
this
call
really
concerned
because,
of
course,
a
five-story
condo
unit
in
my
backyard
is
kind
of
shocking,
but
I
see
that
you
have
worked
very
hard
to
take
in
all
of
our
concerns
and
do
the
best
that
you
can
the
building's
nice
looking
and
and
with
all
the
Greener
Greenery
around
you
know
it.
It
does
mitigate.
M
You
know
some
of
the
visual
I'm,
not
certain
which
one
of
these
is
the
south
side
which
is
going
to
be
facing
me.
So
will
you
point
out
which
one
of
these
images
is
the
South
no
problem
Deborah?
Is
that.
M
So
those
trees
that
you
have
right
there
look
like
redwood
trees,
which
cover
the
building
beautifully.
But,
as
was
just
discussed,
it'll
take
they're
not
going
to
be
redwood.
Trees
is
my
understanding.
L
Those
are
columnar
red,
Maples
they're,
going
to
have
a
beautiful,
Fall
Foliage.
So
if
you
looked
out
the
window
right
now,
they'd
be
glowing
red.
They
tend
to
grow
more
upward,
as
opposed
to
outward
so
we
have
a
couple
of
them
a
place
just
strategically
in
that
spot,
not
to
just
to
provide
you
with
that
buffer,
but
the
residents
that
are
going
to
move
into
this
building
absolutely.
M
L
That's
right
that
would
promote
light
gain
and
heat
gain
from
the
fact
that
we'd
be
putting
them
at
that
Frontage.
M
Okay,
another
and
then
so
my
big.
Obviously,
my
big
concerns
are
the
noise
and
light
pollution
and
privacy,
and
you
address
the
you
know
the
lighting
about
with
the
windows.
But
what
about
the
actual
lighting?
I
I'm
sure
that
you
took
that
into
consideration
and
are
figuring
out
ways
to
have
the
illumination
go
down
or
against
the
walls
instead
of
out
into
the
sky
in
the
public.
I
Yes,
we
were
very
conscious
to
select
light
fixtures
which
facing
your
side
of
the
building,
would
be
very
minimal.
There,
basically,
would
be
you
know
a
code
required
fixture
at
these
patio
doors
and
then
some
very
modest
safety
path,
lighting
down
at
the
ground
level,
but
everything
was
picked
to
be
very,
not
not.
You
know,
upward
glowing,
shielded
fixtures.
We
were
required
by
the
city
to
do
a
photometric
plan
so
that
we
could
ensure
there
was
not
a
lot
of
light
leakage
onto
adjacent
properties.
B
So,
to
summarize,
especially
on
the
south
elevation,
the
only
lighting
that's
at
upper
floors
is
on
those
those
balconies
where,
where
some
lighting
is
necessary-
and
that
is
that
is
right,.
M
And
where's
the
Elevator
Shaft
in
this
is
it
on
the
on
the
east
side.
Is
that
where
that
is
so,
you
wouldn't.
I
A
M
If
so,
my
biggest
concern
would
be
like
any
kind
like
garbage
garbage,
because
they
they
will
be
coming
in
and
out
and
so
and
then
any
kind
of
emergency
vehicles,
which
probably
is
not
a
a
constant
like
it
will
be
with
the
Senior
residence
on
El
Monte.
But
so,
which
way?
Is
that
going
to
be
coming.
I
So
coming
down
so
I'm
going
to
flip
back
and
forth
a
little
bit,
so
here's
Rich,
Avenue
and
site
access
would
be
right
off
of
Rich
Avenue
in
and
out
and
then,
if
I
go
back
to
this
plan,
the
trash
room
is
actually
in
the
basement
of
the
building
and
on
trash
days
the
bins
would
be
pulled
out
to
a
trash
staging
area
right
here,
so
that
trucks
would
come
off
of
Rich
Avenue
pull
in
grab
the
bins,
pull
out
and
go
back
out
down.
Rich
Avenue,
okay,.
A
M
I
guess
my
only
my
only
other
comment
would
be
on
those
trees
that
are
in
the
in
the
spring
and
summer
and
part
of
and
the
fall
that
will
be
providing
a
nice
block.
You
know,
if
there's
a
way
to
make
it.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
you
could
get
some
Evergreen
in
there
at
all.
M
Otherwise,
I
I
throw
my
hands
up
to
progress.
Thank
you
for
considering
us
neighbors
who've,
been
here
for
so
long
and
are
used
to
a
very
different
living
environment.
I
Well,
we
appreciated
all
of
the
community's
comments
and
we
really
think
that
incorporating
your
concerns
and
staff's
feedback
has
pushed
the
project
to
a
very
nice
place.
So
I'm
happy
that
to
hear
that
your
your
more
pleased,
I,
know,
I
know.
Five-Story
building
is
still
wouldn't
be
your
first
choice
but
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
you
feel
there's
progress.
M
Yes,
I
do
and
if
there's
any
way
to
address
the
the
the
deciduous
trees,
like
maybe
a
couple
deciduous,
and
maybe
a
couple
of
Evergreens
to
just-
have
some
kind
of
a
screen
year-round
that.
L
Would
be
wonderful,
yeah,
let
me
jump
in
there,
that's
a
fantastic
point
and
we
did
think
about
that.
The
three
taller
trees
are
the
columnar
Maples
wrapping
around
the
rest
of
that
building
are
Swan
Hill
olives,
which
are
Evergreen,
and
then
we
have
a
large
feature
Oak
that
we're
trying
to
get
in
right
in
the
beginning
right
in
the
front,
so
we
are
trying
to
mix
them
so
that
way,
this
isn't
a
leafless
project
at
select
time.
L
Everything
up
there,
our
Evergreens
from
a
tree
standpoint.
M
B
Thank
you,
I
I
see
that
Carlos
has
rejoined
us,
so
Carlos
I'm,
going
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
to
talk.
Please
please
keep
it
short,
as
we
are
running
late
on
time
today.
K
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
oh
okay,
okay,
I'm,
a
field
representative
for
Carpenter's,
Local,
Union,
405
and
I'm
here
talking
about
labor
standards
and
Labor
Standard
staff
for
healthcare,
apprenticeship
and
livable
wages
when
it
comes
to
healthcare.
Do
you
know
that
nearly
50
of
California
construction
workers
rely
on
some
form
of
Public
Assistance,
also
one
out
of
four
construction
workers
in
California
like
health
insurance?
K
That
is
two
and
a
half
times
the
rate
of
for
all
California
workers
when
it
comes
to
apprenticeship,
a
construction
apprenticeship
programs
are
a
proven
escalator
to
the
middle
class
training,
tens
of
thousands
of
California
residents
every
year
and
no
cost
to
taxpayers
and
because
of
the
increased
wages
and
lack
of
student
debt.
Construction
apprenticeship
can
be
a
better
option
than
a
traditional
undergraduate
program
for
many
young
people.
When
it
comes
to
the
level
of
wages,
they
need
available
wage
that
allows
workers
and
their
families
to
live
in
the
communities
that
they
work
in.
K
You
know-
and
this
also
means
those
verses
will
go
back
into
our
community
as
they
spend
their
earnings,
and
their
tax
dollars
will
keep
help
funding
our
Local,
Schools
and
Government.
K
With
that
in
mind,
we
have
reached
out
to
the
developer
for
this
project
and
have
not
heard
from
them
yet,
and
we
would
like
to
know
what
kind
of
labor
standards
this
project
is
going
to
have.
We
are
open
to
talk
thanks.
B
Thank
you,
Carlos
I'm
gonna.
Ask
that
you
you
take
that
conversation
offline,
not
just
for
you
know
the
fact
that
we
are
running
short
on
time
today,
but
this
body
is
not
involved
in
formal,
permit
recommendations
or
actions
on
this
project,
we're
a
design,
Review
Committee,
providing
recommendations.
B
You
know
purely
purely
on
site,
design
and
architecture.
So
it's
it's
well
outside
the
purview
of
of
this
committee
and
our
deliberations
today,
but
I
appreciate
your
feedback
and
and
and
understand.
This
is
a
major
area
of
concern
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
bring
it
back
to
the
panel
for
for
discussion
today,
you
know
I'll
just
start
with
a
yeah.
B
A
brief
thanks
to
Cynthia
for
for
running
us
through
in
in
good
detail
the
the
challenges
that
you
face
with
the
site,
as
well
as
the
work
that
you've
done
to
try
to
address
the
community
feedback.
You've
heard
I
am
I'm
also
heartened
to
hear
from
a
neighbor
here
today
that
I
think.
B
As
you
put
it,
it
may
not
be
their
first
choice
to
see
a
five-story
building
here,
but
that
they
at
least
have
noted
progress
made
in
trying
to
address
the
feedback
that
they
shared
with
you
earlier
in
the
process
and
I
I
am
confident
that
that
will
be
continue
to
be
your
focus
moving
forward.
So
so,
thank
you,
I
think
we,
you
know
we
will
start
out.
B
This
is
the
first
review
today
and
and,
as
you
noted,
we're
looking
forward
to
providing
feedback
that
helps
you
carry
the
project
forward
and
continue
to
refine
the
design,
so
I
think
we're
just
going
to
briefly
touch
on
a
few
site
and
landscape
design,
related
elements
and
I'll.
Also
apologize
in
advance.
I
meant
to
sort
of
refresh
my
memory
of
of
your
tree
planting
Plan
before
DRC
today,
but
didn't
didn't,
have
a
chance
to
do
that.
B
So
I
will
I
will
take
any
comments
I
make
on
that
today
with
a
grain
of
salt,
and
please
feel
free
to
correct
me
if
I
am
not
remembering
correctly
but
yeah
we
we
know
this
is
a
really
tight
site
and
there's
certain
locations
where
you
can't
place
trees
and
collar
Landscaping
because
of
things
like
the
Eva
and
the
easements
that
you
reference.
So
definitely
note
the
progress
you've
made
so
far.
B
There
were
maybe
one
or
two
locations
that
we
wanted
you
to
consider
evaluating
either
adding
a
tree
or
looking
at
opportunity
to
beef
up
the
scale
of
the
tree,
the
main
one
that
caught
our
our
eye
and
I'm
speaking
for
you
Linda
here
was
this
area
in
in
that
that
corner
one
of
the
things
I've
observed
just
anecdotally
to
monologue
a
little
further
in
in
projects
is,
you
know,
certainly
having
trees
that
that
block
views
can
be
really
beneficial,
but
but
the
other
thing
that
taller
trees
do
is
just
even
if
they're
not
immediately
blocking
a
view.
B
The
proximity
to
the
building
and
incorporation
into
a
site
just
helps
give
something:
that's
natural
and
scales
the
building.
So
you
see
something
that
has
sort
of
plate
of
its
own.
That
kind
of
stands
up
to
the
building,
but
is,
is
maybe
sometimes
a
little
bit
more
pleasing
to
look
at.
So
even
if
it's
it's
not
a
location,
that's
closer
to
the
building.
B
You
know
along
that
southerly
edge
that
you
have.
You
know
seeing
if
there
are
opportunities
to
add
higher
canopy
trees
or
add
trees
that
have
scale
or
maybe
you
know
tweaking
tweaking
the
the
planner
configurations.
The
you
know
say
add
something
even
around
here
that
that
is
a
little
bit.
Beefier
here
be
creative,
still,
I
know,
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
already
to
improve
the
tree
planting
plan,
but
I
encourage.
B
We
want
to
encourage
you
to
continue
to
be
creative
and
sort
of
look
at
look
at
this
plan
and
see
what
opportunity,
what
further
opportunities
you
can
you
can
find
to
to
modify
the
planting
plan
in
a
way
that
that
gives
you
a
greater
mix
of
of
higher
canopy
trees
and
and
including
sort
of
the
feedback
you've
heard
from
your
neighbor
today
about
you.
A
B
As
you
move
around
the
building
sort
of
seating
in
a
mixture
of
tree
types
that
provide
different
different
resources
to
the
project
over
the
course
of
the
year,
the
one
a
lighting
related
comment
that
we
we
wanted
to
provide
for
you
today
is
you
know
in
general,
this
is
a
fairly
sort
of
low-lit
sort
of
security.
B
Focused
project
staff
did
indicate
that
there
are
a
few
locations
where
you've
identified
some
pole,
lighting
and
I
would
say
if
it's
not
necessary
for
you
to
have
some
taller
pole
lighting
for
other
security
purposes,
we
generally
recommend
maybe
more
frequent
sort
of
Bollard
type
or
pedestrian
scaled
lights
and
lieu
of
those
poles.
Just
because,
even
with
some
of
those
screens,
they
don't
always
really
sort
of
block
sort
of
visibility
of
the
bulbs
from
off-site.
So
avoiding
the
issue
by
just
incorporating
shorter
lighting
is,
is
generally
recommended.
B
You've
got
a
lot
going
on
towards
the
the
front
of
the
site
and
I
applaud
the
effort
to
add
a
larger
canopy
tree
there.
There
a
couple
things
that
I
think
could
could
add
to
sort
of
a
softer
entry,
Drive
condition
and
in
a
sort
of
a
separate
technical
area
of
concern
that
I
observed
when
I
I
double
checked
your
utility
plan
today.
B
So
I'll
start
with
the
easier
easier
recommendation
which
is
to
is
to
consider
you
know,
alternate
Paving
details
for
the
entry
Drive,
something
that
feels
a
little
bit
less
sort
of
standard
Road
and
a
little
bit
upgraded
can
go
a
long
way
as
I
say,
maybe
at
minimum
for
that
that
beginning
stretch
before
there's
a
dog
leg
but
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
options
out
there
so
so
study.
B
What
you
think
will
work
well,
well,
obviously,
also
being
a
drivable
surface
for
service
and
EBA
vehicles
in
looking
at
your
utility
plan,
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
ability
to
provide
much
in
the
way
of
landscaping
in
that
that
area
on
the
left
side
of
the
driveway
you've
got.
B
You
know
two
two
backflow
preventers
and
your
dcda
that
are
congregated
there
and
ordinarily
sort
of
concentration
of
utilities
can
be
great,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
find
that
when
you
add
in
sort
of
buffers
and
access
and
things
like
that,
you're
not
going
to
get
much
in
the
way
of
plant
screening
there.
B
So
I
know
that,
generally
speaking,
the
hardest
things
to
move
further
from
the
property
line,
are
your
your
water
services
I
would
ask
that
you,
you
work
with
staff,
including
the
fire
department,
to
see,
if
it's
possible,
maybe
to
push
in
dcva
to
an
another
location
or
further
into
the
site,
just
to
open
up
more
opportunity
to
have
actual
Landscaping
along
that
portion
of
the
entry.
Drive
I.
B
Think
the
the
other
thing
to
to
study
I'm,
not
sure
you
I,
think
I
know
that
you
received
fire
department
comments
about
about
the
Grass
Creek
proposal
in
that
entry
Plaza
area.
But
what
are
the
other
materials
that
you
were
looking
at
using
there?
Other.
B
Okay
papers,
so
I
mean
one
of
the
things
maybe
to
consider
with
the
entry.
Drive
is
something
that
picks
up
on
the
paper
patterning
at
that
at
that
entry,
and
then
you
know
gosh,
I'm,
I'm
sad
to
to
lose
lose
grass
Creed,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
to
see
what
you
can
sort
of
you
know.
Negotiate
with
our
fire
department
stuff
that
meets
their
their
load
requirements,
but
is
is
something
maybe
a
little
bit
softer
than
just
the
26
foot
wide
you
know
set
of
the
pavers.
B
C
Yeah
I
would
Rebecca.
One
thing
I
would
mention
is
that
on
the
the
other
project
that
we
reviewed
today,
they
also
had
some
Turf
block
on
their
drawings,
and
that
project
is
a
lot
further
along.
C
B
Yeah
and
I
think
we
saw
a
little
bit
of
success
with
The
Memory
Care
Project,
actually
adjacent
with
some
alternate
configurations,
but
I
do
know
that
our
fire
staff
are
very
particular
about
what
they
might
consider
and
how
it's
laid
out.
So
it's
a
it's
a
offline
conversation
to
have,
but
I
encourage
you
to
work
collaboratively
through
Rocky
with
our
our
fire
staff
to
see
what
you
can
come
up
with
yeah
and
that
actually
wraps
up
our
our
our
site.
Related
comments.
B
I
think
you
know,
like
you
said
it's
a
it's.
A
tough,
it's
a
tough
site
to
crack
and
I.
Think
you've
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
in
addressing
the
the
earlier
feedback
you
received
from
staff
in
the
community,
so
I
think
the
comments
today
are
really
about
refining
what
you've
you've
been
able
to
achieve
so
far
and
taking
it
just
a
little
bit
further
along,
so
that
jumps
us
to
the
the
building,
design
and
I
think
we're
going
to
start
out
bigger,
bigger
picture
and
I.
Think
really.
B
Maybe
let
me
let
me
take
a
step
back
I
think
you
know
we're
well
aware
of
of
the
feedback
that
you
receive
from
your
neighbors,
with
concerns
about
privacy
and
and
the
scale
of
the
building
and
I
think
from
from
an
overall
massing
perspective.
B
Would
we
should
generally
support
the
strategies
that
you've
implemented
to
try
to
scale
down
and
and
sort
of
reduce
the
visibility
of
of
the
upper
floors?
I
think
you
know
the
the
challenging
thing
as
a
design
review
body
is
sort
of
trying
to
reconcile
a
lot
of
those
privacy
concerns
and
and
in
some
ways,
actually
the
the
bulk
concerns,
because
the
design
solutions
for
for
each
off
sometimes
run
counter
to
each
other.
B
So
like
a
building
with
like
less
window
to
wall
area
is
gonna
look
chunkier
and
because
it's
it's
sort
of
there's
less
openness,
there's
less,
there's
more
solid
wall
area,
and
so
we
kind
of
went,
went
back
and
forth
with
with
thoughts
and
recommendations
on
how
you
might
kind
of
further
create
sort
of
a
sort
of
a
lighter
and
airier
building,
while
also
addressing
privacy
concerns
and
I'm.
B
Saying
this
a
little
bit
for
for
folks
in
the
audience
to
understand
that
you
know
that
that
it
can
be
a
real
design
challenge
to
try
to
come
up
with
solutions
that
balance
a
lot
of
sometimes
competing
objectives
and
and
and
that's
a
wordy,
but
I
I
think
hopefully
beneficial
Prelude
to
the
other
things.
B
We
want
to
chat
with
you
today
about
because
there
are
still
some
elements
of
the
building
that
are
feeling
a
little
kind
of
chunky
or
funky
to
us,
and
so
we're
gonna
kind
of
highlight
a
few
of
the
the
areas
and
ideas
that
that
we
had
that
are
that
we
think
might
be
either
the
reasons
we're
having
that
response
and
sort
of
areas
to
study
as
potential
solutions
to
to
the
issue.
B
B
So
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
few
things
that
we
observed
that
were
like
really
legible
in
in
the
design
and
and
sort
of
what
we.
What
we
we
saw
in
the
building
is
that
you
kind
of
you
have
this
recessive
body
of
the
building.
That
is
this,
the
stucco
element
and
then
sort
of
reading
proud.
Are
these
redeema
sighting,
clad
elements,
but
one
of
the
areas
that
caught
our
attention
as
sort
of
being
awkward
to
that?
Are
these
these
side
elevations,
where
you're
you're
sort
of
pulling
it
through?
I
Yeah
I
know
you're
I
know
what
you're
getting
at
here
and
pulling
it
through,
as
opposed
to
say
stopping.
It
was
initially
the
thought
to
try
to
emphasize
that
three-story
base
and
introduce
that
language
to
this
side
of
the
building,
where
it's
otherwise
continuous.
I
The
strategy
here
was
that
you
know
it's.
It's
no
secret.
These
two
walls
on
the
two
floors
are
in
alignment,
so
the
thinking
was
to
play
with
molding
so
to
speak,
using
the
prodema
material
to
provide
some
relief
at
that
transition
so
that,
at
least
when
you
step
back,
you
kind
of
read
that
mass,
that
four
story
and
math
is
broken
up
and
having
that
material
wrap
around
the
corner
from
the
front.
I
So
that
was
the
strategy.
Okay,.
I
You're
right
right
so
just
like
how,
at
the
top
of
all
the
cement
plaster
walls
we
wanted
to
introduce
this
kind
of
trim.
Molding
detail
wanted
to
thought
to
mimic
that
at
the
top
of
the
wood
as
well,
whether
it's,
whether
the
material
stops
and
it
doesn't
continue
on
or
it's
a
transition.
So
we
thought
it
could
serve
Dual
Purpose,
where
it
kind
of
finished
off
the
caps,
but
also
provided
a
little
bit
of
relief
at
the
transition.
Yeah.
C
C
B
Ordinarily,
we'd
expect
to
see
that
that
fourth
floor
in
inset
I
think
one
thing
to
to
look
at
in
further
detail
is
you
know
a
if
there
is
any
opportunity
to
create
something
of
a
a
plane
changed
there,
but
to
look
look
a
little
bit
further
at
what
that
transition
detail,
looks
like
I.
Think
part
of
part
of
our
are
noticing.
B
Really
how
much
it's
in
play
is
that
the
the
that
cap
detail
isn't
really
super
legible
in
in
the
you
know,
the
proportions
of
the
wall,
and
so
there
it
may
call
for
something
different.
The
other
thing
that
that
came
to
mind
also
is,
is
you
know
the
perdema
product
and
I'm,
not
seeing
Bruce
England
in
our
audience
anymore
is
actually
a
natural
wood
product.
B
It's
it's
kind
of
the
best
of
of
many
worlds
in
that
it
is
a
real
wood
veneer
on
a
sort
of
a
substrate
that
addresses
a
lot
of
constructability
issues
for
for
developers.
So
it
is
going
to
have
a
great
appearance,
but
because
at
least
as
you're
you're,
showing
in
your
photo
example
on
the
material
board
it
it
is,
has
a
very
sort
of
you're
showing
a
very
clean
sort
of
you
know,
edge
to
edge
installation.
B
It
has
a
very
similar
kind
of
planar
condition
to
the
the
stucco
wall.
So
we
wanted
to
encourage
you
to
look
at
an
alternate,
alternate
installation
details
for
the
prodema
siding
product
that
that
give
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
Shadow
and
relief
and
contrast
to
the
stucco
wall
areas
of
the
building,
because
we
think
that's
going
to
help
it
stand
out
and
and
and
be
more
effective
in
in
the
conditions
in
which
you're
proposing
it
to
be
used.
B
We
did
sort
of
some
quick
searching
on
online
and
found
some
really
really
interesting
applications.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
into
that,
and,
and
also
just
to
look
look
at
other
things
like
what
happens
with
the
protein
at
corners
and
and
things
like
that.
That
sort
of
all
add
up
to
sort
of
adding
adding
character
and
and
Shadow
in
relief
to
the
building.
So
I.
C
Think
also
something
we
we
wanted
to
mention
and
as
this
moves
through
the
review
process,
the
renderings
I
think
unfortunately
do
a
disservice
to
that
pretty
much
product,
because
the
renderings
make
it
look
very
stripy,
and
it
won't
look
like
that.
C
So
I
think
you
need
to
really
really
scrub
the
renderings
so
that
they're,
reflecting
what
that
product
really
looks
like
and
maybe
include
some
examples
of
installations
of
photographs
that
that
everyone
can
understand
what
it's
really
going
to
look
like,
because
it
is
not
going
to
look
strike
me
like
this.
So
that's
I
think
that's
very
important.
It's
a
high
quality
product
and
it
needs
to
be
shown
that
way.
So
people
understand
what
it
is.
C
C
Sometimes,
things
get
substituted
as
you
get
into
the
real
budgeting
for
the
project,
and
this
is
such
an
important
aspect
of
the
success
of
this
design
that
we
would
have
to
be
kept
informed
and
staff
would
definitely
have
to
understand
what
your
potentials
are,
that
if
that
material
changes
from
the
quality
level
of
the
prodema,
then
that's
going
to
have
a
big
impact
to
the
the
Aesthetics
and
the
and
the
ongoing
Aesthetics
of
the
project
over
time
as
it
ages.
C
So
that's
that's
a
really
important
aspect
that
we
need
to
I
just
want
to
be
sure.
We
mentioned
that
okay.
C
No
I
was
just
going
to
say
your
your
design
relies
on
that,
that
material
being
excellent
in
appearance
and
in
con
and
very
consistent
in
its
finish
and
so
that
it
it
doesn't
look
like
you
know,
fake
wood,
siding
at
any
rate,
I
just
wanted
to
really
emphasize
that
that
it's
it's
very
key
to
the
Quality
appearance
and,
while
I'm
talking
about
the
renderings
for
a
moment,
also
that
the
other
thing
that
the
renderings
appear
to
show,
which,
like
some
clarification
on
this,
is
that
those
stucco
joints
are
showing
up
very
strong
as
if
they
are
going
to
be
large,
deep
joints
and
I'm,
not
sure
that's
helping
the
appearance
of
the
building,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
something
that
you
really
figure
out.
C
If
the
stucco
joints
are
indeed
going
to
be
just
a
regular,
narrow
joint,
then
the
building
is
going
to
look
different
and
you
might
want
to
emphasize
some
of
the
joints
and
de-emphasize
some
of
the
other
joints.
So
if
that
can
also
get
clarified,
my
concern
about
the
appearance
right
now
is
that
all
of
those
joints
being
so
dark
and
what
would
probably
be
very
wide
joints
makes
it
makes
it
look
too
busy
and
so
again
on
your
detailing
on.
This
is
going
to
be
really
important.
B
Yeah,
the
other
thing
that
that
we
just
remarked
on-
and
this
was
something
that
staff
brought
up
is
you
know
the
rendering
is
also
don't
really
sort
of
give
a
clear
sense
for
what
your
actual
proposal
is
with
the
bach
modern
railings.
B
You
know
our
observation
from
the
renderings
is
that
they
felt
kind
of
dark
and
dark
and
heavy,
and
we
ended.
We
know
that
the
the
actual
proposal
is
is
more
kind
of
you
know,
brownie
in
the
bronze
family
which
doesn't
come
through
in
these
drawings
and
and
they
also
do
look
very
very
closed
off.
B
So
the
effect
is
a
is
a
bit
heavier
than
we
would
usually
want
for
for
this
sort
of
feature,
because
the
balconies
often
really
help
to
to
highlight
wall
movement
and
sort
of
when
they
have
such
a
solid
appearance
of
their
own.
That
can
sort
of
have
a
counter
effect.
B
So
we'd
like
you
to
study
options
for
that
that
railing
design
that
that
you
know
give
us,
maybe
a
slightly
an
airier
appearance,
a
lighter
appearance,
while
also
still
being
responsive
to
the
community
feedback
that
you've
you've
received.
Then
you
know,
maybe
it
does
mean
that
you
know
the
the
screening
at
the
Upper
Floor
Terrace
is
something
that's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you're
using
on
the
railings
on
the
balconies
themselves.
B
Since
you
know,
the
terrorists
might
seem
a
little
bit
more
concentrated
activity
than
these
individual
decks,
but
we
want
you
to
study
options
for
that.
C
Well,
I
think
also
that
again,
the
product
that
Bach
modern
product
is
another
very
high-end
material
and
they
have
a
lot
of
different
patterns
and
almost
Vine
looking
or
more
of
an
informal
arrangement
of
the
of
the
punched
holes
and
it
can
still
create
it
can
allow
for
more
privacy
for
the
neighbors
or
from
the
residents.
C
C
But
you
do
need
to
select
the
right
pattern
and
in
addition
to
that,
ensure
that
that
is
the
product
that
you're
actually
going
to
be
able
to
afford
for
the
project,
because
that's
the
balconies
and
those
railings
are
a
prominent
feature
on
this
building
and
on
this
design.
So
I
think
that
that
has
to
really
be
taken
into
account.
B
Yeah
and
I'll
just
add,
I
think
you
know
I've
seen
a
lot
of
projects
be
able
to
upgrade
the
bach
modern
and
I,
don't
know
if
they
have
different
ranges
that
are
available,
that
address
affordability,
I,
think
you
know
the
other
thing
that
I've
observed
is
you
know
the
the
bach
modern
I
think
they
all
want
you
to
buy
their
products,
but
also
can
be
sort
of
inspirational
and
they're
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
procure
materials,
particularly
metal
railing
type
materials
for
for
projects
from
a
variety
of
sources
so
and
I
think
the
overall
you
know
feedback
for
you
is
obviously
you
know
the
the
project
that
we
review
needs
needs
to
as
Linda
noted
sort
of
be
be
the
the
project
and
sort
of
feature.
B
The
things
that
you're
you're
indicating
are
are
you're
part
of
design,
so
make
sure
that
you
know
that
to
the
extent
feasible
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
variables
that
only
really
are
quantifiable
later,
but
but
but
it's
something
that
you
think
you
can
reasonably
construct.
But
you
understand
that
we
also
know
that
there
are
a
variety
of
ways
you
can
sort
of
maintain
the
design
quality
while
sourcing
from
from
other
other
entities.
So
we
look
forward
to
what
you
you
come
up
with
there.
B
We
also
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
kind
of
the
fourth
and
fifth
floor
massing.
You
know,
broadly,
we,
you
know,
support
your
your
approach
as
I
needed
earlier
of
of
stepping
in
the
you
know
the
fourth
and
or
fifth
floors
at
at
these,
particularly
the
the
side,
elevations
or
or
the
more
the
elevations
that
are
more
visible
to
the
residential
adjacencies.
B
First
on
this,
this
South
elevation
is,
you
have
kind
of
a
really
nice
simple,
orderly
approach
to
your
articulation
around
the
building,
but
then
things
get
a
little
bit
weird
on
this,
this
South
Side.
So
we
thought
there
might
be
some
further
areas
of
kind
of
simplifying
the
approach
on
on
this
facade
in
a
way,
I
just
will
make
it
a
little
bit
quieter
and
and
and
with
the
idea
being
that
it
might
be
a
little
bit
less
less
eye-catching
from
afar.
B
So
you
know
our
experience
is
that
kind
of
variability
tends
to
draw
the
eye.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
saw
was
was
kind
of
variable.
Is
that
you've
got
this
kind
of
like
zigzag
to
your
your
balconies,
and
so
we
we
would
encourage
you
to
kind
of
look
at
that
options
to
kind
of
simplify
and
align
so
like,
maybe
maybe
the
balconys
kind
of
get
a
get
a
right,
Edge
that
that
falls
into
play
and
maybe,
like
the
third
and
fourth
floor,
balconies
kind
of
have
a
a
complementary
appearance.
B
B
At
this
southwest
corner
is
that
you
do
actually
have
a
little
bit
of
of
plane
change
here
and
so
I
know,
you've
got
a
little
less
room
to
play
with,
but
we
we
did
wonder
if,
for
example,
at
that
northwest
corner,
where
you're
actually
not
proposing
to
wrap
the
prodema,
whether
there
might
be
some
ability,
for
example,
to
to
you,
know,
pull
that
that
two-story
element
kind
of
around
with
a
little
bit
of
relief
to
do
something
similar
to
what
you're
you
have
going
on.
B
On
that
South
facade,
you
might
not
be
able
to
do
the
same
for,
for
you
know
this
element
here,
but
we
were
kind
of
noticing
the
planar
condition
of
that
that
northwest
corner
and
thought
that
the
other
elevation
that
you
have
might
might
give
us
some
give
you
some
opportunities
that
you
could
apply
there.
B
We
also
you
know
in
some
ways
your
fifth
floor
reminded
us
a
little
bit
of
you
know
like
when,
when
someone
retrofits
like
a
factory
building
and
and
adds
like
a
penthouse
floor
to
it-
and
there
are
sort
of
a
variety
of
approach
approaches
there
I
think
sometimes
when
we
have
stepped
back
upper
floors
when,
when
that
Upper
Floor
has
like
a
real
solidity
to
it
or
is
sometimes
it's.
B
I
I
know
you
you're,
you've
reduced
window
sizes
to
try
to
address
Community
concerns,
but
would
encourage
you
to
continue
to
look
at
opportunities
that
might
make
that
that
Upper
Floor,
particularly
the
fifth
floor
kind
of
do
a
a
weird
mix
of
fitting
into
the
design
a
little
bit
more
but
also
lightning
or
or
making
it
a
little
bit
less
boxy
so
that,
to
the
extent
that
people
are
seeing
it,
they
feel
happy
to
see
it.
B
One
of
the
ideas-
because
you
know
very
often
one
approach
would
be.
Okay,
that's
kind
of
like
create
a
greenhouse
on
a
roof
style
and
that
might
not
be
feasible
given
the
privacy
concerns,
but
perhaps
on
the
say,
like
the
west
elevation,
even
though
there
might
be
concerns
with
solar
gain,
there
might
be
opportunities
to
to
create
create
some
larger
Windows
towards
the
memory
care
site.
B
B
B
The
last
thing
is,
we
don't
think
it's
necessary
for
the
that
fifth
floor
to
have
a
completely
different
color
I.
Think
having
a
having
a
a
similar
color
to
the
building
below
will
help
it
feel
a
little
bit
more
cohesive.
B
The
massing
is
doing
the
bulk
of
the
work
for
you.
So
in
some
ways
giving
in
an
alternate
color
is
making
it
stand
out
a
little
bit
more.
B
And
I
think
probably
one
of
the
the
last
areas
of
the
the
building
that
we
want
to
talk
about.
Was
this
sort
of
entries
there
and
condition
yeah.
B
So
this
was
this
was
an
area
where
we
we
should.
We
recognized
I
think
that
what
you
were
trying
to
do
was
to
you
know,
in
combination
with
addressing
Community
feedback.
You
were
trying
to
do
something
distinctive
that
highlighted
the
entry,
but
it
also
felt
like
the
one
area
of
the
site,
where
your
kind
of
your
design
diagram
broke
down
a
little
bit,
because
we
would
have
kind
of
diagrammatically
expected
this
sort
of
Stucco
to
read
through
you
know,
rather
than
getting
this
this
material
and
I
think
we
understand
the
the
why.
B
But
when
we
were
looking
at
it
in
elevation
View
one
of
the
thoughts
we
had
was
you
know
what
made
what
might
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
as
far
as
highlighting
the
entry
and
integrating
the
stair,
which
I
think
is,
are
the
two
objectives
that
we
have
for
for
this
area
of
the
building
is
what
what
needs
to
relate
to
each
other
and
and
the
thought
was
that
what
needs
to
relate
to
each
other
is
this
and
this
and
then
this
volume
is
maybe
something
that
fits
into
the
building
and
is
quiet
behind.
B
It
would
be
one
approach,
and-
and
if
if
that
approach
is,
is
workable,
then
you
know
this.
This
overhang
maybe
goes
away,
but
particularly
given
that
you
have
not
a
lot
of
window
area
on
the
stair
itself.
As
you,
you
noted
before
one
of
the
things
we
thought
my
viewers
studying
is
instead
of
you
know,
a
perforated
panel
accent
element
appearing
in
this
background.
B
Space
is,
is
maybe
that's
the
thing
that
gets
applied
with
sort
of
a
standoff,
so
you
get
some
sort
of
Shadow
and
and
pattern
and
effect
that
that
is
sort
of
carried
through
and
accents
accents
the
sort
of
the
stare
and
entry
together
it
just
we
understood
exactly
what
you
were
trying
to
achieve.
I
think
we
just
were
we're
not
finding
it
it
as
effective
in
in
actually
achieving
those
those
objectives
of
you
know
again
trying
to
emphasize
the
entry
and
integrate
the
the
stare
into
the
into
an
entry
feature.
Okay,.
C
Yeah
well,
one
thing
that
we
discussed
in
our
briefing
was
the
stair
Tower.
If.
A
C
We
would
say:
make
that
stair
Tower
glass
make
it
transparent,
make
it
a
focal
point,
something
that
is
because
it
is
a
large
mass,
it's
tall
and
it
steps
up
even
further
back
towards
the
elevator
overrun,
and
so
it
could
be
a
real
feature
element.
But
we
understand
that
the
input
you
got
from
the
public
was
that
they
didn't
want
to
see
this
stare.
They
didn't
want
to
see
people
going
up
and
down
the
stair
and
and
all
of
that
and
they
were
concerned
about
it.
C
So
I
think
that
area
in
general,
with
that
form,
as
Rebecca
said,
that
look
at
the
material
on
that
wall
and
again
from
this
view,
it's
it's
interesting,
seeing
how
those
how
those
windows
at
the
corner.
A
C
Know
jump
up
and
down
and
gosh
if
that
whole
element
at
the
very
Corner
had
a
different
color,
a
different
feeling
so
that
it
doesn't
read
as
a
bunch
of
little
punched
openings
in
the
corner.
So
I
think
that
that
there
is
a
lot,
a
lot
to
be
done
with
this
general
area,
how
you
emphasize
the
entrance,
how
you
make
that
separation
between
the
mass
of
the
building
Wing
to
this
anchor
of
the
stair
Tower
and
then
back
to
a
building
Wing
again,
it's
it's
a
key.
C
What
it's
like
a
hinge
or
a
knuckle
that
needs
to
needs
to
have
some
study
as
to
how
it
becomes
an
important
anchor
for
the
building,
but
doesn't
conflict
with
the
you
know
the
concerns
that
the
neighbors,
Express
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be.
One
of
your
big
challenges
is
that
whole
section
of
the
building.
I
B
It's
just
like
it's
just
one
options.
I
think
we
agree
that
to
some
sort
of
special
special
treatment
makes
sense,
some
sort
of
diagrammatically.
We
were
thinking
about
what
the
correct
relationships
might
be,
given
the
rest
of
the
sort
of
the
the
design
of
the
project
was,
and
so
we
wanted
to
kind
of
highlight.
B
You
know
that
design
thinking
for
the
entry,
but
there
could
be
several
other
options
as
far
as
how
you
apply
those
Concepts,
whether
it's
a
you
know
a
perforated
mental
panel.
You
know
some
more
and
more
buildings
are
including
mural
type
things
as
well.
B
Lots
of
options
that
are
out
there
and
we'd
encourage
you
to
to
think
think
about
what
those
options
might
be
that
feel
like
they'd,
be
appropriate
to
this
site
and
then
sort
of
you
know
apply
them
in
a
way
that,
like
links,
links
to
the
features
that
we
want
to
emphasize
like
the
ground
floor
entry
and
the
things
that
are
going
to
be
prominent
because
they're
just
they're
a
prominent
Mass
in
a
way.
It's
a
highlight.
B
The
entry
so
I
think
that
that
wraps
up
the
bulk
of
our
billing
comments
today,
I'm
in
the
touch
on
just
a
few
detailed
things,
and
often
we
sort
of
save
the
detailed
things
for
the
the
later
DRC
reviews.
B
But
we
we
observed
on
some
elevations
that
these
sort
of
trellis
sunshades
you
have
on
on
the
balconies
right
on
some
elevations
and
on
some
balconies,
the
sun,
shade
kind
of
matches
the
width
of
the
balcony,
and
then
there
are
other
locations
like
you
know
here
where
they
seem
to
just
be
matching
the
the
doors
themselves.
It's
seems
to
us
that
the
more
effective
option
would
be
to
kind
of
you
know,
match
the
match.
The
balconies
but
wanted
to
note
that
so
we'd
observed
that
variability.
B
We
weren't
sure
if
it
was
purposeful,
if
there
was
something
else
going
on
but
sort
of
matching
the
balcony
with
sort
of
those
two
things
it
gives
sort
of
shading
to
the
full
width
of
the
balcony,
which
is
nice
for
usability,
particularly
on
certain
elevations
and
and
also
just
I,
think,
has
a
stronger
scale
or
impact.
B
Yeah
we
talked
about
how
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
character
and
detail
and
materiality
in
the
projects,
so
I
think
as
we
move
towards
the
sort
of
the
final
DRC
and
eventual
public
hearings
making
sure
it's
rendered
rendered
correctly.
We'll
we
want
to.
We
want
to
sell
the
wonderful
things
in
the
project
and
not
have
the
the
plans,
sort
of
short
sell
and
the
things
that
you're
proposing.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
I
know.
B
Typically,
people
will
produce
higher
quality
renderings
for
the
public
hearings
and
we
don't
need
that
to
happen
early
in
the
process
only
to
have
to
have
to
update
them
later,
but
but
bear
that
in
mind.
B
Eventually,
when
you
come
back
to
the
DRC,
you
will
want
to
have
sort
of
a
full
complement
of
of
schematic
details
for
things,
so
you
know
make
sure
that
you're
you're
giving
us
you
know
window
details,
for
you
know,
windows
on
on
each
type
of
wall.
Typically,
if
there'll
be
differences
between,
for
instance,
the
Redeemer
versus
snap
cluster
walls,
you
know
give
us
material
call
outs
for
things
like
the
you
know,
the
balcony,
soffits
and
and
fascia.
B
You
heard
us
I
think
talk
about
that
in
the
last
project,
and
then
you
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
how
the
siding
can
can
provide
more
sort
of
texture
and
Shadow.
I
think
you've
got
a
pretty
good
starting
point
as
far
as
your
window.
Treatments
are
concerned,
but,
as
you
continue
to
refine
the
design
I
would
just
you
know,
continue
to
think
about
how
you
know
your
window
trim
details,
sort
of
contribute
to
the
overall
effect
on
the
building.
There's,
not
something
any
sort
of
specific
problem.
B
C
There
was
yeah
I,
just
thought
you
know
in
looking
at
you
know
the
orientation
that,
on
the
again
in
in
trying
to
add
more
interest
to
that
East,
the
song
you
have
a
lot
more
trellises
is
a
lot
more
going
on
there.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
these
trellises
and
sun
shades
on
the
side
that
doesn't
really
need
them.
C
K
B
Okay,
you
got
chubby
again,
I
think
if
I,
if
I,
if
I,
can
Channel
Linda
from
other
meetings,
your
recommendation
was
just
pay
close
attention
to
the
the
shading
device
needs
of
of
the
elevations
that
are
have
the
greatest
exposure
and
and
potential
need
for
for
those
shooting
devices.
B
Yeah
I
think
that
that
wraps
things
up
for
today,
thank
you,
for
you
know
again
for
the
work
you've
done
to
get
to
today
and
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
you
come
up
with
with
Aki
who
I
know
is
new
to
you,
but
she's,
she's,
fantastic
and-
and
she
sits
just
a
couple
desks
away
from
me.
So
if
she
needs
to
chat
with
me
about
any
of
the
the
progress
work
that
you
do
region
he's
not
shy.
So,
though,
right.
I
B
Yeah,
so
with
that,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
in
the
audience
to
look
around
to
the
end,
and
I
will
adjourn
this
meeting
of
the
DRC.
Thank
you.
Everyone
stay
well.
Thank.