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Hi
Tania
van
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40
Union
Street
I
just
have
two
questions.
One
we've
had
some
discussions
over
the
past
months.
I
haven't
been
here
recently,
but
previous
discussions
over
discussions
about
putting
something
in
writing
an
ordinance
regarding
up
heap
property,
upkeep
and
I
just
wondered
if
that's
been
started.
If
there's
been
further
discussions,
I
wanted
to
express
and
having
some
involvement
in
that
I
remain
very
frustrated
with
the
situation.
You
have
all
heard
me
talk
about
many
many
times.
F
So
that's
one
thing
that
I
came
to
talk
to
you
about,
and
the
second
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
is
if
there
was
any
information
to
be
given
regarding
the
additional
parcels
that
are
being
rezone
to
industry
in
that
area,
behind
where
I
live,
it's
quite
a
few.
So
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
if
there's
a
plan
in
place
and
if
anybody
can
share
any
information
about
that.
So.
C
F
G
G
F
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C
A
You
Joe
well
I
want
to
start
here.
As
everybody
knows,
I
had
a
meeting
concerning
this
Wolf
Creek
Conservancy
District
and
approximately
30
people
showed
up
and
heard
the
presentation
and
I
definitely
will
not
be
trying
to
give
their
presentation
over
again
here
tonight.
I
just
want
to
briefly
go
over
a
few
things.
As
everyone
knows,
I
think
it's
lived
here
for
any
length
of
time
that
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
flooding
problems
in
Copley,
Barberton
and
Norton,
especially,
but
just
about
any
place.
A
That's
around
the
Wolf
Creek
watershed
area
and
in
that
particular
area
of
wolf
creek
from
its
major
tributaries
being
of
which
our
Hudson
run.
Pigeon
Creek
are
the
two
largest
ones,
and
then
there
are
actually
ten
other
ten
other
tributaries
that
dumped
into
Wolf,
Creek
and
I
showed
in
the
slides
that
I
presented
at
this
meeting
that
almost
all
of
them,
really
all
of
them
are,
are
in
need
of
dredging
re
widening
to
the
point
where
they
were
in
the
30s
and
40s.
A
A
Some
of
them
have
trees
that
have
fallen
across
and
caused
temporary
dams
that
nobody
cleans
out.
Originally,
these
properties
were
I
mean
these
creeks
were
dredged
in
the
30s,
and
then
they
were
turned
over
to
the
property
owners
themself
to
maintain
by
federal
statute,
and,
of
course,
the
property
owners
could
not
afford
to
maintain
them.
A
They
might
be
to
300
feet
or
more
of
Creek
that
ran
through
their
property,
so
they
could
not
afford
it.
Therefore,
they
fell
into
disrepair.
Nobody
took
care
of
the
growth
along
the
sides
or
our
trees
as
big
around
as
I
am
growing
on
the
sides
of
some
of
them.
Some
of
these
tributaries
and
Wolf
Creek,
of
course,
anytime
you've
got
a
something
along
side
of
the
creek.
A
Then,
when
you
get
this
sediment
build-up
and
it's
only
a
foot
and
a
half
deep,
of
course,
you
have
less
space
for
water
to
occupy
and,
of
course,
obvious
where
the
water
goes.
It
goes
downstream
and
it
goes
downstream
so
much
faster,
because
the
channel
has
also
been
narrowed
throughout
the
years
by
sediment,
building
up
on
the
sides
by
trees,
collecting
and
growing
in
areas
where
they
should
not
be
within
the
waterways.
A
So
I
hope
everybody
has
a
picture
of
ten,
pretty
good-sized
tributaries
that
feed
into
Wolf
Creek,
eventually
north
of
Summit,
Road
and
east
of
Summit
Road,
mainly,
but
also
some
of
them
are
west
of
of
Summit
and
north
and
all
of
these
tributaries
either
come
from
Ranger
bath,
Sharon,
Farallon,
Akron,
Copley,
Norton
wodsworth,
a
very
small
section
in
the
Watts
Worth
City
small
section
of
wodsworth
Township
and,
of
course
Barberton.
So
all
these
tributaries
are
contributing
to
the
flooding
problem
that
we
receive
here
in
Norton,
Capri
and
Barberton,
mainly
and
of
course,
downstream
from
us.
A
A
There
are
pictures
that
that
I've
shown
before
that
shows
the
actual
obstructions
in
these
creeks
and
we
as
a
city
nor
can
Copley
nor
Barberton,
come
singularly
do
anything
about
the
flooding
problem.
It
has
to
be
all
of
the
townships
and
and
cities
involved
north
of
Barberton
that
are
within
the
Wolf
Creek
watershed.
Those
are
the
communities
that
are
supplying
water,
contributing
to
the
water
that
ends
up
in
Newton,
Wolf,
Creek
and,
of
course,
eventually
the
Tuscaroras
river
downstream
to
the
mus
Kingdom
in
the
Ohio.
A
If,
if
we,
we
simply
voted
as
a
council
once
before,
Copley
voted
as
a
Township,
Trustees
and
Barberton
voted
as
though
as
a
council
to
to
present
this,
to
the
judge,
proper
judge
judicial
authorities
to
create
the
Wolf,
Creek,
Water
Conservancy
and
it
was
presented,
believe
Barberton
had
the
responsibility
to
actually
present
the
paperwork.
All
three
of
our
communities
approved
it
to
our
governing
bodies,
voted
and
approved
before
I
was
on
council
and
consequently
it
went
to
the
judge
and
the
judge
after
looking
it
over
and
studying
it
decided
to
reject
it
on
it.
A
A
Unlike
what
was
done
in
the
30s,
there
was
no
fund
set
up,
and
so
the
people
who
owned
the
properties
that
these
streams
went
through
could
not
possibly
do
it
on
their
own.
It's
too
expensive.
Neither
could
one
individual
municipality.
So
that's
why
we
originally
voted
to
create
Wolf,
Creek
Watershed
Conservancy
with
Barberton
Norton,
men
and
Copley,
which
would
have
automatically
included
the
other
townships
and
cities
that
I
read
off
a
few
minutes
ago.
A
Yellow
Creek
has
been
going
through
a
court
thing,
and
they
they
do
I
understand
it
was
semi,
approved,
I've,
been
told
here
by
officials
here
that
there
may
be
some
legal
ramifications
that
they
may
have
to
fight
in
court.
But
as
it
stands
now,
the
judges
have
created
the
Wolf
Creek
becoming
them.
Sorry,
the
yellow,
Creek
Watershed
and
some
opinion
here
that
we
should
wait
to
do
anything
with
this.
A
Until
we
see
what
weapons
Thiele
Creek
but
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
waiting,
because
it's
taken
yellow
Creek
over
two
years,
just
to
get
it
through
the
courts
due
to
legal
judge's
retiring
dying
whatever,
then
they
change
judges,
two
or
three
times
so
anyway.
It
it
just
didn't
happen
for
over
two
years
and
finally,
it
has
finally
started
to
come
about.
A
A
A
Only
five
hundred
signatures
would
create
this
watershed
or
I
mean,
would
send
it
to
the
judges
by
petition
means.
If
we,
as
the
council
vote,
we
can
as
one
Council
out
of
all
of
them,
we
can
vote
to
send
it
to
the
judges
to
have
it
either
approved
or
disapproved
by
the
judge,
and
that's
my
recommendation
that
our
council
present
this
to
the
judges.
A
We
already
have
an
ordinance
drawing
up
from
before,
and
I'm
told
that
there's
a
possibility
that
that
ordinance
could
be
used
again
with
minor
tweaking
could
be
used
again
to
send
it
to
the
judges
with
our
with
our
Council's
approval
vote
to
approve
it.
That
could
happen
very
quickly
could
happen
very
quickly,
depending
on,
of
course,
mr.
Markey's
difficulty
in
creating
the
paperwork
for
legislation.
A
I'm
told
that
well
that's
by
a
couple
of
members
of
our
Council.
They
think
that
maybe
that's
usurping
the
power
of
the
people
from
say,
Copley
or
Barberton
or
wherever
other
than
Norton.
If
we
vote
it
to
send
it
and
it
went
and
was
created,
they
wouldn't
have
had
to
say
you
know
well
I
submit
to
them
that
that
Copley
Trustees
elected
by
the
people
of
Copley
voted
to
approve
this
Barberton
Council
voted
elected
by
the
people
voted
to
approve
this.
A
Our
council
people
Hall
voted
to
approve
this,
and
it
was
approved
to
all
three
municipalities
and
the
only
thing
reason
why
we're
talking
again
about
it,
approving
it
or
disproving.
It
is
the
fact
that
the
judge
seemed
fit
and
he
was
right.
I
think
he
turned
it
down
like
I
said,
because
there
were
so
many
parcels
involved
in
in
mus
Kingdom
watershed
already
that
he,
it
was
a
mistake
in
the
paperwork
for
him,
at
least
according
to
him,
to
include
them
in
our
proposal
and
I
agree
with
him.
A
So
now
we
have
a
list
here
of
those
parcels.
Names
addresses
parcel
numbers
that
could
be
submitted
with
the
new
application
that
would
specifically
exclude
those
parcels
and
that's
my
recommendation
is
to
have
our
Lal
director
draw
up.
Do
whatever
is
necessary
for
to
correct
the
original
paperwork
or
draw
up
new
paperwork
and
submit
it
to
the
courts
to
have
this
watershed
completed
because,
as
I
said
before,
it's
been
since
1930
that
there
were
actually
any
major
work
done
on
the
on
the
tributaries
or
Wolf
Creek
our
water
source.
A
Now
that
we
are
part
of
Barberton
water
service
servers,
our
water
source,
barbra,
tons
water
source
parts
of
country,
all
over
the
place
comes
from
Wolf
Creek,
that's
the
main
water
source
for
the
city,
water
of
Barberton,
and
and
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
control
the
water
that
we
drink
from
city
water
services,
it's
no
different
than
what
Akron
does
from
their
lakes
that
provide
their
water
source.
They
maintain
them
and
they
do
it
in
a
very
good
way.
I
think
they
do
it
professionally
and
I
think
if
these
tributaries
were
cleaned
out.
A
One
time
if
we
were
to
have
the
woof
shed
Water
Conservancy
set
up
properly
and
there
will
be
a
three
person
triumphant
that
runs
that
watershed
and
that's
steps
down
from
the
judges
that
are
appointed
by
one
judge
and
two
more.
Then
there
will
be
a
three
person
triumphant
that
that
says
they
will
have
two
years
to
come
up
with
plans
to
correct
the
flooding
problems,
mainly
in
the
Wolf
Creek
watershed
area.
A
You
know
everything
that's
necessary
to
control
the
flooding
from
the
point
north
of
here
and
east
and
west
of
here
from
where
the
water
comes
from
I,
don't
know
if
it
starts
south
of
us
and
work
north
or
vice
versa,
or
in
the
middle
I.
Don't
know
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
but
I
know
it
all
needs
to
be
done
and
the
only
way
we
can
afford
to
do.
A
That's
along
these
partials
at
the
amount
that
is
decided
that
will
be
necessary
after
the
engineers
come
up
with
a
price
approximate
price
of
this,
then
they
would
have
the
ability
to
assess
the
amount
necessary
first
time,
I
heard
about
it
in
here
from
an
engineer
that
was
involved
with
Muskingum.
He
estimated
as
low
as.
A
$14.99
are
allowed
to
determine
an
amount,
that's
necessary
per
year
to
maintain
these
tributaries
in
Wolf
Creek
and
the
ponds
or
whatever
was
built.
So
in
order
for
us
to
not
spend
another
70
or
80
years
complaining
about
the
floods,
I
think
we
should,
as
a
council,
present
this
to
the
judges
and
let
them
decide
whether
it
to
be
whether
it's
necessary
to
be
created
or
not
and
I.
A
A
There's
a
water
source
that
would
be
generated
by
having
these
ponds
there's
a
if
necessary,
well
different
recreational
facilities
that
could
and
should
be
created
at
the
same
time
they
solve
the
flooding
issues,
so
I
I
just
think
it's
it's
the
right
way
to
go
and
and
I
would
hope
that
we
can
go
forward
with
this
I'm
trying
to
think
there
was
a
couple
other
things
just
briefly.
I'm
already
took
up
too
much
time
here,
but.
A
H
A
For
the
new
application,
this,
this
is
the
parcels
here.
These
are
the
partials.
This
is
the
map
and
everything
that's
been
redone
to
indicate
which
which
parcels
were
originally
in
there
and
now.
This
is
the
list.
I
got
them
from
Muskingum
I
had
Kerry
get
them
from
the
mass
Kingdom
watershed
and
they
gave
us
a
total
list,
detailed
list
of
of
the
partials
that
had
been
included
in
the
original
proposal,
but
we're
now
excluded
if,
when
we
resubmit
it,
so
we
know
where
they
are.
The.
A
H
Really
think
it's
a
good
idea.
We
talked
about
this
810
years
ago
with
the
business
wallet
task
force.
It's
affected
some
of
our
major
employers,
some
people
that
some
companies
we
can
hardly
afford
to
lose
and
I
think
we
should
be
supportive,
although
unfortunately
they
did
locate
in
a
floodplain
so
kind
of
that's
a
mixed
bag,
but
the
resistance
that
we
seem
to
be
hearing
from
the
northern
cities.
How
are
we
approach
that?
H
A
J
J
A
An
example
there
the
way
I'm
told
I,
don't
know
this
from
reading
it
I
haven't
seen
the
court
papers,
but
somebody
told
me
recently
that
baths
and
Akron
might
be
presenting
papers
to
the
courts
to
I,
don't
know
if
they
want
to
opt
out
of
it
or
if
they
don't
want
it
passed
at
all,
or
what
for
yellow,
Creek?
Well,
there's
parts
of
Akron,
a
tiny
sliver
of
Akron
involved
in
in
water
in
the
Wolf
Creek
watershed.
That
was
the
thing
that
I
was
trying
to
remember
a
minute
ago.
A
The
Wolf
Creek
watershed
goes
south
Yellow,
Creek,
watershed
goes
north.
So
there's
a
dividing
point
there
at
some
point,
there's
a
dividing
point
where
just
about
everything
in
that
section
of
the
county
and
Medina
County,
also,
of
course
that
goes
to
Yellow
Creek,
like
it
does
here
to
Tuscaroras
River,
so
those
areas
that
that
are
that
are
partially
on
the
borders
of
like
baths
very,
very
little
to
mention
in
bath
or
Akron.
There's
tiny
slivers
of
what's
worth
City.
So
all
of
these
communities
I
mean
like
anything
you
do
anymore.
They
can
sue
over
it.
A
They
can
step
forward
and
say
we
think
that
this
should
not
be
done,
but
calls
and-
and
maybe
they'll
have
a
good
reason.
I,
don't
know
what
their
reason
would
be,
because
it's
not
like
the
waters
running
uphill.
The
water
is
coming
from
all
those
communities
that
I
just
read
off.
That's
where
the
source
is
so.
The
source
of
this
water
is
coming
from
a
certain
area
and.
A
Me
and
so
maybe
they'll
go
to
court
and
maybe
they'll
find
a
judge
that
would
say:
okay,
you
can't
do
it
because
wodsworth
against
I
don't
know
I'm,
not
Jose
a
lawyer.
I,
don't
know
all
about
this.
All
I
know
for
a
fact,
and
these
are
not
thoughts.
These
are
facts.
We
have
a
lot
a
flooding
problem
and
that
flooding
problem
comes
from
north
of
here.
A
You
know
it
doesn't
come
from
the
south,
it
comes
from
the
north
and
it
comes
from
the
dividing
line
where
the
water
turns
and
goes
north
or
turns
and
goes
south.
So
everything
that
dumps
into
Wolf
Creek
from
any
of
those
tributaries
comes
from
one
of
those
townships
that
I
read
off.
They
don't
come
from
from
Spencer
or
any
place.
A
They
come
from
those
townships,
so
those
townships
that
have
parcels
along
those
tributaries
if
this
was
approved
by
the
judge,
absolutely
would
be
assessed
so
much
per
partial
and
so
whether
it's
it's
right
wrong
or
in
between
I
think
it's
right
because
they
are
the
source
of
the
water,
but
I'm,
not
a
judge.
So
I
would
suggest
that
we
file
the
paperwork
like
we
did
before.
We've
done
this
once
before,
and
it
would
have
already
been
through
the
courts.
If
somebody
would
have
been
on
the
ball
enough
to
say,
here's
1800
parcels,
I'm.
A
Sorry,
let's
take
these
out
and
resubmit
it
which
no
one
did
otherwise.
This
would
have
already
been
adjudicated
and
and
and
we'd,
be
talking
about
Fred
Martin
motors
not
having
to
move
their
vehicles
every
time
it
floods
or
we'd,
be
talking
about
not
buying
property
down
in
Barberton
and
vacating
it
because
it
floods
all
the
time.
We
can't
do
anything
about
it.
Well,
that's
not
true.
We
can
do
something
about
it.
We
can,
and
we
should
I
am.
H
E
B
B
H
Need
to
have
an
exact
plan
if
we
need
to
eliminate
some
small
slivers
of
Akron,
it's
a
real
problem.
Let's
look
at
that,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
council
needs
to
decide
all
seven
of
us.
We
have
to
kind
of
be
behind
this.
This
is
an
important
step.
It
does
involve
a
lot
of
money
and
also
maybe
some
negotiation
with
our
neighbors
eventually
at.
C
So
one
of
the
things
and
I
don't
think
that
anyone
disagrees
that
we
have
a
flooding
problem.
We
have
to
take
care
of
it.
Somehow.
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
heard
from
people
is
discomfort
with
the
fact
that
we
have
a
judge
appointed
three-person
panel,
who
is
going
to
be
able
to
impose
fees,
and/or
taxes
on
the
city
of
Norton
that
the
voters
have
nothing
to
say
about.
You
can't,
go
and
vote
against
it.
We
can't
do
anything
against
it.
C
C
H
A
A
The
people
that
elected
me
I,
don't
know
if
they
want
her
in
favor
of
the
wolf
creek
watershed
I,
don't
have
a
clue
and
and
I
had
a
public
meeting
and
I
advertised
it
for
a
month
and
30
people
showed
up
after
that
was
on
martin
motors
of
big
sign.
It
was
on
newspapers
that
was
everyplace
and
only
30
people
out
of
all
the
communities
involved
showed
up
and
the
reason
why
normally
you
can't
get
people
to
come
to
these
kind
of
meetings.
Is
they
elect
us
to
do
their
bidding?
A
If
you
spread
it
out
all
over
all
these
partials
to
solve
the
flooding
problems,
and
it's
not
only
Norton
and
Barberton
and
Copley
that
floods.
These
creeks
that
I'm
talking
about
these
tributaries
that
are
that
have
not
been
maintained
properly.
You
and
I
don't
know
exactly
which
farmers
field
is
flooding
when
it
when
it
overflows
because
of
the
lack
of
maintenance
on
those
creeks.
A
So
those
items
would
be
considered
and
when
you
say
you
don't
know,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
dime,
spinning
Norton,
it's
almost
a
hundred
percent
certainty
that
there
would
be
money
spent
in
Norton
and
Copley.
Mainly
most
of
the
money,
probably
would
be
spent
in
Norton
and
Copley
due
to
the
fact
that
that's
where
the
major
problems
are
yeah,
if,
if
they
didn't
put
a
reservation
I'm
in
a
retention
and
detention
ponds
within
the
city,
limits
of
Norton
and
Barberton
they'd
solve
no
problems.
Because
that's
where
the
prop
that's,
where
the
problems
are.
A
That
needs
to
be
addressed.
A
little
stream
upstream
from
here,
such
as
Chocolat,
Chocolat
stream,
runs
into
into
this
equation,
and
there
are
a
few
places
not
a
lot,
but
a
few
places
that
along
chaga
log,
it
floods
so
badly
that
the
farmer
can't
plant
a
near
corn
just
that
little
teeny
stream
and
if
those
streams
were
were
dredged
properly
and
everything
and
which
any
engineering
plan
that
these
people
would
come
up
with
would
have
to
address
the
flooding
problem.
A
A
It
would
almost
be
a
guarantee
that
that
Barberton
would
not
have
to
take
a
grant
that
they
got
from
the
state
of
Ohio,
which
came
from
us
to
start
with,
but
they
wouldn't
have
to
take
that
grant
and
buy
up
property
in
South
Barberton,
that's
flooding
because
they
don't
have
a
cure
for
the
flooding
problem.
That's
ridiculous!
Those
houses
that
they're
buying
up
absolutely
that's
wonderful
for
the
people
whose
house
is
being
bought
if
they
want
to
move.
A
If
they
don't
want
to
move
here's
a
city,
it
comes
along
and
buys
their
property
and
tells
them
to
get
out
and
they
tear
the
house
down
because
the
city
owns
it
and
they
don't
want
the
property
to
be
flooded.
Well,
if
they
don't
want
it
to
be
flooded,
fix
the
flooding
problem,
don't
care
it
on
the
house.
Wolf.
A
C
Is
is
that
if
we,
if
what
we
need,
is
to
replace
floodplains
and
put
in
retention
ponds
and
dredge
creeks,
then
shouldn't
we
say
to
our
citizens.
This
is
what
we
need
to
do
and
we,
as
a
council,
are
going
to
impose
whatever
fee
and
we're
gonna
spend
that
here
to
fix
the
problem
here
as
opposed
to
I
guess
my
biggest
problem
is
I.
Don't
disagree
with
you
about
the
flooding.
I!
Don't
disagree
with
that
at
all,
we've
all
heard
it
we've
all
seen
it
every
spring.
We
see
it.
C
The
problem
is,
is
that
we
take
our
authority
that
the
people
have
given
to
us.
It's
not
ours,
it's
theirs!
They've,
given
it
to
us.
We
turn
it
over
to
a
judge.
Who
then
turns
it
over
to
three
people
who
say
these
are
the
fees
that
we're
going
to
impose
and
by
the
way
this
is
where
we're
going
to
spend
it
exactly.
A
E
I
read
today,
there
was
in
the
original,
there
was
42,000
parcels
and
the
Wolf
Creek
watershed:
Conservancy
District,
there's
42,
plus
anyhow
you're
talking
about
six
seven,
eight,
maybe
nine
communities
who
all
have
different
governments,
12
we're
you're,
suggesting
that
seven
elected
people
out
of
a
fraction
of
those
make
a
decision
for
all
of
those
people
personally.
I
just
think
that's
irresponsible.
Let.
E
E
A
E
Suggesting
it's
right
for
us,
but
he
offered
a
program
that
would
do
something
similar
for
$4
a
month.
I
originally
opposed
this
in
Norton
and
the
reason
being
is
when
mr.
Rosell
stood
before
us.
I
asked
him:
can
you
guarantee
this
will
do
anything
he
couldn't
guarantee
that
it
would
even
work
I
said
well?
Can
you
guarantee
how
much
it's
gonna
cost?
He
couldn't
guarantee
what
the
cost
would
be?
No,
if
I
had
someone
coming
in
to
do
work
on
my
home
and
I
said:
I
need
to
know.
E
E
Another
contrast
is
last
time
when
it
passed,
it
was
led
by
several
administrations.
You're
suggesting
a
council.
Do
this
unilaterally
I
think
it
would
be
much
better
if
one
administration
talked
to
another
and
they
let
it
and
then
if
they
could
agree,
then
at
least
you
have
some
kind
agreement,
but
just
seven
members
sitting
up
here
saying
this
is
the
way
we
see
it
and
if
the
rest
of
you
don't
like
it
well
see
in
court
or
whatever
the
consequences.
A
A
He,
as
I
said
suggested
at
one
time
was
only
like
$14
a
year
and
I
suggested
to
him.
That's
I'm
sure
that's
got
to
be
completely
too
low.
You
couldn't
do
hardly
anything
with
that
amount
of
money.
If
you
took
those
partials,
whether
it's
42
or
47
thousand
acres
doesn't
matter
either
way.
It
wouldn't
have
been
enough
money
and
he
said
no
I
agree.
It
might
be
a
lot
more
and
I
said
well.
I
know
it
would
be
a
lot
more
and
we
discussed
it
and
he
he
agreed
like
some
of
the
figures.
A
Okay,
that's
what
I'm
getting
it
you're
saying
that
we
should
get
the
approval,
then?
How
long
did
it
take
us
to
get
Barberton
Norton
in
Copley
to
agree
to
what
we
did
agree
to
and
send
it
to
the
judge?
You
remember
at
least
a
couple
years.
It
was
a
couple
of
three
years
just
to
get
our
three
major
communities.
That's
in
the
woof
shed
woof
Creek
Watershed
to
agree
to
send
it
to
a
judge,
and
that
was
with
with
many
reservations,
so
it
went.
It
went
on
and
on
for
two
years.
A
If
we
were
to
start
this
over
again
with
Barbara
Norton
and
comple
Onley,
not
including
the
other
nine
communities
that
are
involved,
it
would
be
another
10
years
at
the
very
least
before
we
even
get
it
before
a
judge.
And
then
once
that's
before
the
judge,
you
could
figure
on
another
five
years
minimum
before
anything
would
be
done.
A
So
our
grandchildren
would
be
up
here
on
council
talking
about
what
we
should
have
done
as
council
people
in
2020
I'm
saying,
if,
if
we
as
a
council
since
we
have
the
authority
to
do
it
and
it's
and
it's
as
Joe
suggests,
there's
no
guarantees
and
you
say:
there's
no
guarantees
and
Charlotte
says:
there's
no
guarantees,
there's
no
guarantees
for
anything.
There's
no
guarantees
for
any
project.
We
take
as
a
community
we're
talking
about
increasing
the
parks
right
now
and
coming
up
with
a
park
plan.
Can
anybody
stand
before
Council
and
say
I
guarantee
you?
A
This
is
what's
going
to
happen,
nobody
can
guarantee
something,
but
if
you
take
somebody
like
engineers
who
are
trained
to
do
hydrological
engineers
who
are
trained
to
solve
problems
like
we
have
here
for
flooding,
if
I
can't
take
their
word
for
it,
if
I
can't
decide
on
what
to
do,
when
I
have
professional
advice
in
that
area,
then
I
don't
know
where
you
could
get
the
advice
from
you
can't
go
around
to
everybody's
door
and
say:
do
you
guarantee
this?
No,
of
course
not?
Well.
A
How
are
you
going
to
get
a
consensus
on
anything
if
you
don't
move
forward?
We
can
argue
about
this
for
the
next
25
years,
which
we've
done
for
50
years
right
here
in
Norton,
and
nothing
has
been
done
and
Joe
was
talking
about.
Take
the
money,
Joan
and
just
answer
what
you're
saying
there
take
the
money
and
and
get
maybe
let
the
people
in
Norton
vote
and
see
if
they
want
to
spend
money
to
solve
the
fighting
problem.
A
Only
matter-of-fact
Barberton
has
less
responsibility
than
we
do
and
we
have
less
responsibility
and
then
Copley
does,
and
it
goes
continues,
because
if
you
go
up
in
the
air
like
on
Google
and
follow
all
these
streams
or
if
you
get
a
map
of
the
streams
and
follow
them
like
I've
got
here
and
showed
on
my
presentation-
you'll
see
where
they
all
come
from
and
you'll
see
what
the
problems
are,
that
none
of
those
problems
I
mean
majority
of
them-
are
not
in
Norton.
We
couldn't
solve
it.
A
A
A
There's
no
there's
no
watershed.
Conservancy
set
up
north
of
South
Barberton
until
you
get
the
Ella
Creek
we're
in
between
the
two.
If
we,
if
we
were
to
form
the
Wolf
Creek
watershed,
it
will
start
at
the
north
most
boundaries
of
the
Muskingum
watershed
and
it
will
run
into
the
edge
of
Yellow,
Creek,
Watershed
and.
J
A
Dimensions
or
anything
I've
got
them
right
here.
We
have
it
here,
there's
a
there's:
an
exact
street
addresses
of
every
single
property
that
Paul's
talking
about
the
40
mm
or
whatever
every
one
of
them
is
in
this
paperwork
right
here,
and
it
shows
the
exact
address
the
parcel
numbers
that
would
be
included
in
all
the
assessments
and
none
of
those
that
are
included
now,
if
you
exclude
these
1,800
or
whatever
they
are.
None
of
those
would
be
included
in
that
only
those
that
are
not
in
a
in
a
Conservancy
or
a
watershed
already
set
up.
A
J
A
A
C
But
but
so
at
the
end
of
the
day,
no
one
is
no
one
I,
don't
think
in
this
room
is
disagreeing
that
there
is
a
flooding
problem
and
it
primarily
is
down
on
barber
Road
I
mean
there
are
other
places
in
the
city
where
we
have
localized
flooding,
but
it's
primarily
down
there.
No
one's
disputing
that
the
dispute
is
is
how
do
you
pay
for
it.
B
A
A
suggestion
that
you
could
get
enough
money
to
go
into
sharon
township
a
Granger
township
bath,
wodsworth
Township
watchword.
Do
you
have
a
suggestion,
or
does
anybody
have
a
suggestion
that
would
create
a
pool
of
funds
or
a
substantial
continuing
source
of
funds
to
maintain
not
only
to
correct
the
problems
that
are
existing
now,
but
to
maintain
the
streams
in
the
future,
where
we
don't
have
to
go
back
and
do
this
every
50
years
or
100
years,
if
they
maintain
them
if
they
set
up
a
fund?
A
It's
just
like
any
other
thing
that
you
do
through
the
government.
If,
if
you
want
to
maintain
the
highways,
you
know
somebody
has
to
pay,
for,
there
has
to
be
a
source
for
funding
for
the
roads,
and
there
has
to
be
a
source
for
funding
for
these
creeks
and
the
city
of
Norton
cannot
do
it
on
their
own
and.
C
And
that
is
true,
and
and
so
let's
look
back
at
what
we
were
talking
about-
the
parks,
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
before
we
spend
money
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
had
difficulty
was
putting
the
lights
up
in
down.
Here
was
because,
before
you
start
spending
money,
you
really
need
to
have
a
plan.
C
C
C
A
C
C
A
No,
let
me
finish:
it's
not
it's
not!
What's
going
on
here,
there
you're
saying
that
that
there
they're
going
to
just
jump
in
and
build
all
this
stuff
and
then
pay
for
it
later.
That's
not
what
they're
doing
they're
going
to
authorize.
First
of
all,
they're
gonna
authorize
through
judges
that
triumphant
that
you're
discussing
it's
bad
for
the
people
and
that
you
think
that
they're
just
going
to
be
able
to
go
and
do
anything
they
want
to
and
raise
funds
any
way
they
want
to.
That's
not
true.
A
Those
three
people
are
going
to
within
the
first
two
years
after
the
judge
sets
us
up.
Those
three
people
have
had
two
years
to
come
up
with
a
plan
and
those
those
plans,
then
will
not
be
just
approved
by
that
three
people
they
will
be
submitted
to
the
judges
and
the
judges
will
approve
or
disapprove
of
it,
and
those
plans
have
to
be
paid
for
so.
A
J
A
A
A
Only
charge
you
nothing
right
now:
Muskingum
has
eliminated
their
assessments,
okay,
but
what
are
they
doing?
That's
the
way
they
did.
That
was
they
come
up
with
methods
to
sell.
That
was
the
main
thing.
They
sold
royalty
rights
to
property
that
they
acquired.
By
going
all
this
water
working
stuff
and
throughout
the
years
they
started
out
it
I
forget
what
it
was.
Those
figures
are
here
say:
$12
for
$14
a
year.
They
started
out
at
X
number
of
dollars
per
year.
Well,
throughout
the
years
now,
just
last
year,
I
believe
it
was
a
before
last.
A
They
completely
eliminated
that
assessment.
The
people
in
the
Muskingum
watershed
now
pay
no
assessments,
none
and-
and
that's
why
it's
proven
that
these
things
pay
off
like
the
watershed
down
in
Athens
in
the
Miami
River.
That's
went
down
throughout
the
years,
so
here
the
assessments
for
it
and
way
it
does
it
is,
is
just
for
an
example:
Muskingum
sold
oil
and
gas
rights
from
the
properties
that
they
owned,
and
so
they
were
able
to
eliminate
it.
A
G
G
I
was
I
believe
every
meeting
held
on
the
watershed
district
I
went
to
Jack
presentation.
I
was
here
when
mr.
Rosell
was
here,
hey
and
I've
said
it
over
and
over
again.
A
lot
of
this
information
is
based
on
the
consultant,
mr.
Rozelle
or
whatever
his
name
was
that
worked
for
Muskingum,
and
yet
he
did
not
eliminate
1800
parcels.
Out
of
the
information
given
to
us
was
basing
this
knowledge
on
so
that
right
there
would
make
me
wonder
just
how
accurate
the
majority
of
his
information
was,
because
that
was
a
pretty
big
piece
right.
A
G
Was
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
back
then,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
it
took
so
long
for
us
to
get
that
settled
was
because
Norton
was
insisting
that
we
had
a
voice.
We
fought
about
that.
We
wanted
a
voice
and
I
always
said
you
take
this
to
the
courts.
The
judge
makes
the
appointments.
We
have
three
people
in
charge
that
we
no
longer
have
a
voice.
G
G
Yes,
we
do
well
I'm
all
for
building
our
own
retention,
detention
ponds,
I'm
all
for
cleaning
out
that
culvert
area
that
was
discussed
it
at
Jack's
presentation,
I,
find
fault
with
the
way
that
76
was
put
in
and
the
engineers
that
developed
that
but
to
just
say
here,
take
our
money.
You
three
people
go
hire,
whoever
it
is
you're
going
to
hire
to
put
together
a
plan
that
we
will
pay
for
along
with
whoever
is
drug
into
it
and
by
the
way
it
it's.
G
What's
going
to
be
going
on
elsewhere
at
the
say-so
of
God
knows
who
I
have
no
I,
don't
like
the
way
the
mad
district
was
set
up
and
it
took
us
forever
to
be
able
to
get.
Can
some
control
over
that,
and
that
was
due
to
people
signing
petitions.
They
got
their
500
signatures.
Many
people
sign
those
petitions
thinking
it
was
going
to
go
to
the
ballot.
They
were
going
to
actually
have
a
vote
on
it
and
turned
out
once
they
sign
their
names
of
those
petitions.
G
G
Gonna
take
Norton
people's
money
for
flooding,
I
want
it
fixing
Norton,
and
then
those
will
be
sending
more
water
down
to
Muskingum,
but
apparently
they
can
handle
it
and
aren't
a
lot
of
Muskingum
money's
coming
from
park
areas
that
I
thought
they
had
a
lot
of
their
stuff
set
up
into
parks
and
that
also
helped
pay
for
it
and
I'm.
Not
so
sure
we
could
set
up
a
system
like
that.
Cuz,
that's
a
pretty
large
area
down
there,
but
I'm
all
for
fixing
the
flooding,
but
I
want
to
I'm
going
to
tax
people
here.
G
A
A
J
It
make
more
sense,
rather
than
try
to
jam
something
through
to
other
communities
without
them
having
a
say
in
it
and
then
them
turning
around
like
yellow
creek
fighting
it
through
the
court
system,
tying
it
up
for
the
next.
Don't
God
knows
how
long,
wouldn't
it
make
more
sense
for
the
leaders
of
each
community
to
get
together
and
discuss
the
problem,
because,
obviously
it's
a
problem
for
each
community.
It's
not
just
Norton
I
mean
it's
Barberton,
its
Norton,
its
Copley.
K
J
It's
just
going
to
be
tied
up
and
yeah.
We
we
took
action,
but
it's
action
that
we
were
pretty
confident
that
wasn't
gonna
go
anywhere
I'm,
not
not
in
the
habit
of
pushing
something
through.
If
I
think
it's
just
going
to
get
tied
up
or
fail.
That's
that
makes
no
sense.
You
have
to
come
to
a
consensus
with
the
other
communities
to
accomplish
this.
Like
you
said
you
know,
Norton
alone
cannot
do
it
Copley
alone
cannot
do
it
Norton
and
Copley
can't
do
it
together.
We
need
all
the
areas
together.
A
A
C
C
C
H
H
C
J
C
A
I
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
actually
to
draw
up
new
legislation.
I
I
think
was
discussed
here
once
before
about
redoing
the
legislation
that
was
already
drawn
up
and
voted
affirmative
to
leave
us
Barberton
and
Copley,
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I,
don't
believe
I
can't
speak
for
them,
but
I
don't
believe
that
Barberton
and
Copley
are
against
us
I,
don't
think
they
would
be
against
it
in
in
resubmitting
the
original
application
to
the
judge.
A
K
H
C
D
C
D
C
J
E
C
C
I
really
need
to
know
from
administration
where
the
complaints
are
coming
from
what
what?
What
are
we
hearing?
As
far
as
complaints
are
concerned,
you
know
I
know
that
there
are
two
junk
cars
are
one
of
them
and
mowing
and
cleaning
yards
or
the
other.
Those
those
are
the
two
that
we
hear
every
spring
and
through
the
summer,
but
there's
got
to
be
something
else.
I
would
suggest
that
we
asked
mr.
C
Brayman
to
be
at
the
next
work
session,
with
a
list
of
things
that
he
hears
most
often
so
we
can
start
working
on
this
in
a
in
a
some
type
of
a
smart
way.
Looking
at
those
things
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
first
and
moving
through
it,
we're
never
I,
don't
think
that
we're
ever
going
to
be
able
to
pass
a
complete
property
new
property
maintenance
code.
We
tried
it
before
didn't
work,
then
it's
not
gonna
work.
Now
everybody's
gonna
find
something
they
don't
like.
C
C
C
C
Wouldn't
think
okay,
which
is
why
it's
complaint
driven
okay,
so
that
I
mean
that
is
my
suggestion
is
to
invite
mr.
Brayman
to
the
next
committee
of
the
whole
and
get
some
input
from
him
since
he's
kind
of
like
the
feed
on
the
on
the
street
and
he's
the
one
that
hears
the
complaints
and
goes
that
looks
at
them.
And
then
we
can
go
from
there.
Any
discussion
so.
H
I
brought
it
up
for
exactly
that
same
reason
is
we'd,
had
several
complaints
in
Ward
3
and
it
all
came
back
to
me
sending
bill
Bremen
out
to
somewhere
or
asking
him
to
go
check
a
house
vacant
house
places
that
seemed
to
otherwise
blighted
or
abandoned,
and
it
was
trying
to
get
some
teeth
to
legislation.
So
we
could
do
something.
Take
some
action
but
I've
left
messages
several
times
for
mr.
H
Brayman
to
contact
me
and
get
back
to
me
and
I
haven't
been
answered
in
quite
a
long
time,
so
I
think
bringing
him
here
and
give
him
advance
notice.
Having
make
that
laundry
list
which
I'd
be
happy
to
contribute
to
I,
think
that's
the
best
approach,
then
we
know
what
we're
trying
to
do.
Why
fix
something
that
it
doesn't
need
fixed.
E
G
C
C
D
A
Thank
you.
This
is
just
a
renewal
for
a
agricultural
district
designation
by
George
and
Teresa,
Blankenship
and
I.
D
C
A
C
G
C
G
G
We
actually
should
have
passed
this
earlier
late
late
last
year
is
where,
when
we
normally
get
it
and
somehow
it
got
overlooked,
so
we
need
to
get
this
done
as
soon
as
possible
so
that
we
can
get
access
to
the
dollar
so
because
of
that
reason,
I'll
be
looking
to
waive
the
second
and
third
greetings
with
emergency
language,
and
nobody
has
any
questions
on
this.
Like
I
said
it
is
boilerplate,
we
do
it
every
year,
I
make
a
motion
a
District,
Council's
next
agenda
next
week.
I'll
second.
C
C
C
A
B
C
C
G
C
A
C
A
A
Think
there's
only
been
one
application
to
install
5g
and
at
that
application
was
handled
by
I,
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
type
of
app
of
permit
that
was
issued
for
them
to
install
it.
There
might
have
been
more
than
one,
but
to
my
knowledge,
there's
one
in
particular,
because
I
happened
to
see
it
being
installed
in
questioned
it
it's
at
the
corner
of
Haim
Town
and
Greenwich
Road.
It
was
installed
and
it
was
issued
to
permit
at
a
cost
of
two
dollars
for
the
permit.
A
We
we,
if
you'll
I,
have
the
thing
here:
paperwork
and
everything
on
the
particulars
for
these
5g
installations.
What
can
and
cannot
be
done?
And
so
on
so
forth.
One
of
the
things
that
that
this
covers
is
it
it
issue.
It
tells
you
what
fees
can
be
charged
for
these
five
g's
and
I
know
we
covered
this
once
before,
but
I
just
briefly
go
over
here.
You
know
we
can
charge
up
to
five
hundred
dollars
for
a
non
recurring
fee,
including
a
single
upfront
application
that
would
include
up
to
five
small
wireless
facilities.
A
Also,
these
are
these
are
to
my
best
of
my
knowledge.
No
one
is
inspecting
them,
the
installation
of
them,
the
design
of
them
or
anything.
We
have
a
right
to
to
inspect
the
installation
of
them.
As
long
as
we
don't
prohibit
them
unnecessarily.
We
have
a
right
to
check
on
how
they
look
what
color,
even
they
are,
which
probably
wouldn't
matter
to
some
people,
but
there's
a
lot
of
regulations
that
that
are
that
are
allowed
to
the
cities
and
I
think
we
should
discuss
the
fact
that
no
one
is
no
one
is
inspecting
them.
A
First
of
all,
there
are
exact
regulations
involved
that
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there
should
be
someone
that,
when
once
that
permit
is
pulled
and
issued,
we
should
have
a
City
representative.
Maybe
our
city
engineer,
I
expect,
would
be
the
only
person
on
or
or
that
we
pay
that
would
be
qualified
to
go
out
and
inspect.
These
I'm
sure
bill
would
not
say
that
he's
qualified
and
I
sure
as
heck
would
be
because
it
it
lists
certain
things.
A
You
know
that
they
can
or
cannot
do
and
I
would
prefer
that
we
have
somebody,
though,
that
goes
out
and
inspects
these
facilities
and
make
certain
that
they're
put
up
like
you
know,
they're
only
supposed
to
be
so
many
cubic
feet
and
and
they're
supposed
to
be
so
high
above
our
telephone,
poles
and
there's
reasons
for
all
that.
You
know.
A
There's
there's
technical
engineering
reasons
for
all
those
regulations,
so
I
would
like
to
see
us
discuss
it
and
maybe
come
up
with
either
us
or
the
administration
come
up
with
fees,
especially
the
fees
that
were
bypassing
by
not
charging
these
phone
companies
or
like
Verizon
and
them
to
come
in
and
install
these
$50
is
a
minor
feet
compared
to
that's
a
rightaway
fee
that
they
charged
and
remembered
now
it
was
called
a
rightaway
fee,
and
that
was
just
a
coverall
thing.
That
means
nothing
to
the
5g
facilities,
Kerry.
C
A
A
A
K
A
Council,
but
those
regulations
cannot
be
so
prohibitive
that
would
stop
them
from
installing
them,
but
they
emphasize
in
several
places
here:
community
options,
one
of
them,
one
of
the
main
ones,
is
addressing
the
local
aesthetic
values.
So
they
can't
put
a
great
big
ugly
refrigerator-sized
box
on
a
telephone
pole
or
you
know,
there's
other
things
that
can
and
cannot
do
we
have
pretty
much
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
regulate
on
them
and
some
we
wouldn't
want
to
maybe
but
I.
A
A
C
H
One
item
in
you-
nice
talk
about
that
last
evening,
I'd
like
to
I,
guess:
I
have
to
come
through
Council
or
bring
it
up
that
I'd
like
to
have
a
word
three
committee
meeting
I
like
to
have
a
word
three
community
meeting.
Thank
you
and
it's
really
just
to
discuss
some
things
that
are
coming
up.
Of
course,
there's
changes
going
on
with
the
Golf
Course
bringing
people
up
to
speed
with
there's
some
water,
that's
being
run
people.
H
Some
people
have
asked
me
how
they
could
tap
in
when's
water
coming
a
number
of
different
things
that
affect
Ward
three,
which
aren't
necessarily
unique
to
us,
but
we're
sort
of
in
the
center
at
all
and
I.
If
you
have
a
community
meeting
where
people
are
welcomed,
it's
a
little
different
than
having
a
City
Council,
where
you
have
to
here
and
beyond
a
microphone.
It's
a
little
bit
warmer
and
friendlier
and
I'd
like
to
have
that
community
meeting.
I
understand
that
I
need
to
ask
Council
to
have
cloaker
Council
to
join
me.
A
B
H
A
You
I
want
to
make
certain
I
understood
what
you're
talking
about
you're
talking
about
some
of
the
citizens
maybe
want
to
know
about
the
water
that's
coming
into
at
area
and
so
well
right
now
we
we,
as
council
as
far
as
I,
know,
don't
know
ourself,
we
don't
we
wouldn't
know.
If
you
set
up
a
meeting
tomorrow,
night
I
couldn't
answer
any
questions.
H
I
think
the
purpose
here
is
to
open
the
discussion
to
find
out
who
wants
it
and
to
make
sure
that
they
know
that
we're
looking
at
it
there's
nothing
definite
that
can
be
said
about
that
right
now.
I
can't
tell
them
a
whole
lot
about
the
Golf
Course
project,
either
I
haven't
heard
much
but
I'm,
hoping
to
at
least
get
with
administration.
H
I
understand
there
may
be
some
things
happening
here
in
the
spring
soon
I'd
like
to
know
what
those
are
also
so
before
I
walk
into
that
I
do
plan
on
doing
some
research
on
that
also,
we
have
Road
plans
that
we've
all
submitted
and
I'm
hoping
the
administration
may
make
some
decisions
on
who
who's
getting
what
this
year.
So
there's
a
number
of
different
things
that
I
think
the
community
would
be
interested
in
and
they're,
not
as
I
hope
to
come
out
to
City
Council
to
find
out
those
answers.
H
A
C
A
D
C
Filled
and
wrapped
Easter
baskets
needed
Easter
baskets
again
this
year,
Easter
Sunday
is
April
12th.
We
are
collecting
Easter
baskets
until
Friday
March
13th.
They
especially
need
baskets
for
older
kids,
ages,
13
plus
I.
Think
last
year
we
kind
of
decided
you
collected
150
plus
somewhere
around
in
there.
So
hopefully
maybe
we
can
do
better
than
that
this
year,
so
it's
through
Summit,
County,
Children's,
Services
correct
those
are
the
children
that
are
receiving
those
baskets
so
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind
and
if
you
can
give
can
do
cash
of.