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D
All
right:
well,
I
call
I
call
the
city
of
norton
charter
review
board
meeting
to
order
on
may
18th
at
7
01
p.m.
Do
we
want
to
do
a
roll
call.
A
Yep
hold
on
a
second
okay
todd
bergstrom.
B
A
B
A
A
D
F
F
D
F
A
Receive
what's
this
doing.
A
So
we
did
receive
comment
from
joe
casey
about
salary
increases
that
I
did
forward
on
to
the
full
charter
view.
Commission.
D
You
want
to
do
it,
I
guess,
since
we
are
live,
it
probably
be
best.
If
you
read
it.
A
A
Of
the
salary
for
elected
officials
is
very
interesting.
This
will
be
a
very
hard
issue
to
get
passed.
I
do
agree
that
all
elected
officials
should
be
allowed
perks.
Unfortunately,
all
of
norton
see
elected
positions
are
part-time,
with
no
benefits
or
a
retirement
plan.
I'll
support
the
issue
of
allowing
pers
to
dictate
council
salary,
plus
an
extra
two
to
three
thousand
for
the
president
about
the
mayor's
salary
of
state
that
the
mayor
only
makes
9
500
a
year.
I
believe
that
I
was
unintentionally
misleading.
According
to
the
budget,
the
mayor
rix
makes
around
14
000.
A
Please
double
check
that
for
me,
which
I
did
not
get
a
chance
to
do
either
way
the
salary
is
way
too
low.
I
fully
understand
that
our
mayor
is
part-time
and
only
scheduled
to
work
a
certain
amount
of
hours
a
week.
I
know
our
current
mayor
works.
More
than
that,
I
will
fully
support
raising
the
salary
for
the
mayor
to
20
000
for
the
first
year
in
office,
with
a
yearly
pay
raise
matching
that
of
non-bargaining
employees
in.
A
Way
to
get
there
with
voter
support
is
to
give
is
a
give
and
take.
The
voters
will
give
them
raises
for
what
this,
for
that,
if
you
propose
some
kind
of
term
limits,
I
believe
this
would
be
the
best
option
to
get
this
passed.
I
know
that
no
elected
official
would
ever
support
term
limits,
but
I
truly
believe
that
that
would
get
this
issue
passed
if.
A
B
A
For
a
million
questions,
the
biggest
one
being
what
if
no
one
runs?
First,
shame
on
the
ongoing
official
for
not
grooming,
someone
take
their
place.
If
that
happens,
then
council
then
appoints
someone
until
the
next
gen
general
election.
Maybe
a
board
member
that
already
represents
award.
I
know
our
residents
are
well
known
for
complaining
without
getting
involved.
I
was
one
with
the
vision,
leadership
from
the
city,
administration
and
and
all
the
department
heads
our
little
city
has
advanced
by
leaps
and
bounds.
Now
it's
time
to
do
the
same
with
our
elected
officials.
A
Regards
joe
casey,
that
was
addressing,
we
did
talk
a
fair
bit
about
salary
increases
at
the
last
meeting,
and
I
was
I
know
mr
dobbins
asked
me
for
some
background
information
regarding
salaries
after
the
meeting,
and
we
did
have
further
discussions
with
the
city
administration
and
I
think
the
city
administration's
viewpoint
and
charter
view.
A
Commission
is
free
to
do
what
they
want,
but
that
looking
at
the
looking
at
the
budget
where
the
city
is
financially
given
still
the
uncertainty,
although
the
economy
is
opening
back
up,
given
the
uncertainty
with
the
economy
that
it
would
not
be
advisable
to
recommend
increases
for
those
positions
at
this
time,
we
don't
anticipate
there
being
room
in
the
budget
for
those
increases
next
year.
So
that's
that's.
You
know
again.
Charter
review.
Commission
is
free
to
make
any
recommendation.
They
want.
That's
just
the
administration's
recommendation.
After
reviewing
the
budgetary
numbers.
D
You
know
I
just
was
thinking
when
you
were
reading
joe
casey's
email
and
it
just
popped
in
my
head.
I
can't
remember
maybe
it
was
the
city
administrator,
but
it
wasn't
wasn't
at
one
time
there
was
a
couple
different
positions
that
one
person
would
would
take
on
that
had
a
dollar
amount
associated
with
it.
I
mean
this
was
a
while
ago,
where
yeah
one
person
had
three
roles
and
that
made
up
their
salary
did
the
does
the
mayor
do
anything
else.
Besides
be
the
mayor.
A
So
you're
right
there
is
a
city
administrator,
and
that
is,
I
think,
how
the
salary
got
put
together
when
the
mayor,
the
mayor,
does
not
do
anything
besides
being
the
mayor
under
the
charter,
but
in
the
past
for
there's
been
a
city
administrator,
who's
absent.
The
mayor
has
been
paid
the
salary
rate
of
the
city
administrator
to
work
full-time
and
take
that
that's.
B
D
F
A
No,
I
mean
council
can
do
it
on
its
own,
but
it's
very
unlikely
that
council,
without
having
a
recommendation
right,
there's,
probably
not
a
lot
of
political
will
to
try
to
vote
for
your
own
race,
so
to
speak
right.
So
I
think
I
think,
the
the
role
the
charter
review
commission
is
to
take
an
outside
look
and
if
you
feel.
A
E
E
D
Here's
the
other
ideas,
one
of
the
problems
that
seems
to
be
coming
up
is
that
if
we
give
a
raise
and
when
it
comes
to
the
negotiations
with
some
of
the
the.
A
D
A
They
call
that
a
metoo
clause
and
that
right
now,
the
way
the
city
non-bargaining
staff
gets
paid
it
gets.
Salary
increases
is
just
like
that
right.
There's
a
me
too.
That's
based
on
how
the
unions
get
paid
or
the
bargaining
units
get
paid,
gets
applied
to
the
non-bargaining
units,
and
that's
the
council
ordinance,
so
that.
D
D
D
That
way,
I
don't
think
you
know
they'll
just
see
the
increase
and
they'll
just
have
a
problem
with
it,
but
if
it,
if
the
only
reason
why
we
think
it
wouldn't
get
you
know
voted
in
an
agreement
on,
is
it's
really
not
the
it's
more,
the
city's
budgetary
constraints
that
they're
worried
about
more
than
it
would
be
voters
approving
it.
D
That's
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing
is.
You
know,
let's
say
the
voters
approve
it,
but
then,
when
you
go
into
this
bargaining
and
we're
worried
about
increasing
and
the
wages
for
other
employees,
that's
a
different
issue.
A
A
A
E
D
We
want
to,
I
think
the
philosophy
was
people
in
it
for
the
money
instead
of
you
know,
maybe
doing
it
for
the
service,
but
I
I
don't
understand
the
total
philosophy
behind
that
was
my
first
gut
feel,
though,.
D
E
F
You
have
a
situation
in
ward
4,
where
no
one
even
wanted
to
run
against
paul
towsley,
and
mr
casey
approached
me
and
my
husband
last
night,
while
we
were
walking
in
the
park
and
he
brought
that
up-
and
I
brought
up
the
situation
with
mr
towsley
and
his
recommendation
in
his
letter
he
says
the
the
council
person's
successor
should
be
groomed.
How
would
you
possibly
know
who
you're
grooming
to
take
your
place?
If
no
one
wants
to
take
it?
That
doesn't
even
logically
make
sense
to
me
and
to
say?
F
Well
let
another
ward
another
council
person
take
over
I'm
in
council
in
ward
2,
and
this
happened
several
years
ago
when
mr
griefer
stepped
down,
and
we
were
left
yes,
someone
technically
filled
in,
but
they
didn't
know
our
ward
and
they,
I
don't
feel
they
were
responsible
and
we
were
left
adrift
for
the
next
general
election.
It
was
a
mess.
B
D
Well,
I
say
you
know:
let's
just
kind
of
look
at
my
thought
is:
let's
just
focus
right
now
on
the
mayor's
situation.
I
personally
believe
that
he
should
get
a
look.
We
should
put
a
little
bit
more
compensation
in
there
and
maybe
maybe
we
just
notched
down
a
notch,
but
I
also
would
like
to
tie
in
a
me
too
clause.
If
we
did
it,
you
know,
maybe
we'd
go
18
grand
with
a
a
me
too
a
claws
in
there
or
something
like
that.
D
But
I
kind
of
hear
what
you
were
saying
ellen
about
you
know
will
this?
Basically,
if
we
don't
do
anything,
it'll
kind
of
get
pushed
aside
for
another
few
years,
because
I
don't
see
the
council
just
thinking
about
doing
it
on
their
own.
I
I
personally
want
to
push
it
a
little
bit.
E
I
think
so
too.
I
was
looking
at
the
figures
that
we'd
that
we
had
gotten
before
and
I
let's
see
now.
I
know
that
at
one
point
you'd
said
the
mayor
made
11
250
and
joe
said:
14
000
and
I
you
know
we
don't
know,
what's
correct
the
thing
that
I
was
wondering
about
is
you
had
said
that
only
the
mayor
was
able
to
get
the
the
shoot.
What
is
it.
E
A
I'll
defer
to
the
finance
director
who
gave
me
that
information
and
she's
if
miss
keener,
says
that
they're
not
eligible,
then
I'm
going
with
her
okay
go.
E
E
D
D
I
I
felt
like
the
city
didn't,
have
the
proper
staff
in
place
to
really
run
the
city?
So
then
the
council's
responsibilities
seemed
to
be
more
than
they
should
have
been
right
now.
My
thought
is
that
the
city
is
running
a
lot
more
efficiently
than
when
I
was
councilman,
so
I
think
the
mayor
does
more
more
than
a
councilman
for
sure,
without
a
doubt,
okay
at
least
the
way
you
know
our
current
mayor
is
running.
F
D
I
think
that
that
position
part-time
or
not
par
or
part-time,
no
matter
who's
in
that
should
have
a
little
bit
more
responsibility
than
what
the
council's
responsibility
is
and
as
far
as
the
time
commitment
I
don't
know,
maybe
I
think
maybe
we
just
notch
it
down
a
little
bit.
I
can't
believe
if
he
is
making
14
or
15
000
or
11
if
we
just
go
up
to
even
18
with
the
me
too
clause,
I
can't
believe
that's
going
to
cause
a
budgetary
issue.
B
A
B
A
My
sort
of
great
idea
on
it:
it's
not
that
great
and
I
view
I
view
charters
as
you
don't
want
to
get
too
complicated,
and
I
think
I
think,
having
that
council
review
is
a
good
check
and
balance
is
my
personal
opinion.
You
know
that's
not
gospel
or
anything,
but
I
I
think,
allowing
council
to
be
able
to
pass
an
ordinance.
They
can
make
that
determination
to
apply
the
me
to
clause
there
just
like
the
non-bargaining
employees
get.
A
F
A
D
Well,
maybe
maybe
you
could
do
it,
you
know
to
where
you
put
the
number
in
front
of
the
council
automatically
by
the
metoo
clause.
Like
let's
say,
let's
say
the
bargaining
arrangements
give
a
two
percent
increase
so
that
particular
year
every
year,
the
council
would
that
would
be
one
of
their
agenda
items
to
look
at
that
same
increase
for
the
mayor,
yes
or
no
rather
than
making
it
something
they
just
think
about.
Okay,.
B
A
Know
what
I'm
thinking
yeah?
No,
I
understand
you're
saying
let
me
can
I
highlight
a
con.
A
Let
me
think
of
some
language
for
for
consideration.
F
D
Make
it
automatic
but
make
it
a
an
automatic
prompt
that
the
council,
whenever
they
do
that,
I
don't
know
what
time
of
the
year
they
do
those
adjustments
or
bargaining,
but
that
would
be
an
automatic
time
that
comes
to
counsel
for
that
same
consideration
for
the
mayor,
and
I
guess
them
too,
but
right
now
we're
talking
about
the
mayor.
C
A
That
I
will
forward
along
a
forward
long
two-term
review.
A
I
wanted
to
see
where
we
were
going
if
charter
review
still
wanted
to
pursue
that
line
of
thought.
After
hearing
the
administration's
recommendation
before
forwarding
that
along
so
I'll
send
along
that
survey,
salary
services
they'll
have
municipal
leak,
not
every
municipality
responds,
but
for
the
ones
that
do
respond,
they
have
a
table
that
would
show
comparable
communities.
What
the
mayors
with
the
councils,
full-time
mayor,
part-time
mayor,
is
what
they
make
things
like
that,
so
that
would
be
good
information
to
figure
out
is
18
000
reasonable
right.
C
Know
lou
broderin
from
the
the
mayor's
association
of
portage,
stark
and
summit
county
also
has
information
regarding
salaries
of
mayors,
and
I
know
that
norton
is
a
member
of
that
association.
I
know
they
would
provide
that
information.
Also,
okay,
I
mean
that
would
give
us
some
empirical
data
to
look
at
to
come
sure
sure
and-
and
I'm
not
sure
I
know
you
know.
By
being
the
a
neighbor
of
the
mayor,
I
see
his
truck
drive
by
my
driveway
all
the
time.
D
I
mean
if
he
wants
to
give
a
a
an
account
of
what
he
does.
I
think
that
might
not
be
such
a
bad
thing
to
understand,
but
when
we
were
doing
the
simple
math
I
I
would
expect
the
mayor
to
put
in
you
know,
I
think
we
were
doing
some
math
like
at
12
or
12
hours
a
week
or
16
hours
a
week,
and
we
were
coming
up
with
a
number.
D
D
If
we're
concerned
about
the
the
salary
versus
the
responsibilities,
then
we
can
look
at
those
those
things
in
the
charter
as
well,
that
we
feel
that
you
know,
because
the
mayor,
I
think,
does
a
lot
more
than
a
mayor's
responsibility
has
to
be
our
mayor
does
so,
if
you
ask
them,
I
think
I
think
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
more
hours
spent
on
the
city,
then
probably
really
is
needed
on
some
things,
but
the
stuff
that
he
does
that's
needed.
D
E
C
Do
we
do
we
need
the
finance
director
to
appear
to
you
know
I'm
having
technical
difficulties.
My
my
internet
connection
is
reporting
is
unstable,
so
I
I
don't
know
whether
I'm
getting
through
or
not,
but
should
we
should?
We
have.
The
finance
director
appear
to
ask
her
about
the
budgetary
considerations
for
2021-22
as
ellen
described
and
and
maybe
it
would
make
more
sense
to
do
it
in
the
future.
C
But
we
we
need
someone
to
tell
us,
and
I
respect
what
justin
is
saying
about
the
administration's
position,
but
unless,
unless
todd
is
able
to
appear
before
council
and
explain
the
rationale
for
our
recommendations,
council
can
reject
them
out
of
hand,
and
especially
if
the
administration
is
opposed
to
any
recommendations
we
have.
We
are
just
recommending.
The
council
council
has
the
final
authority
to
put
this
on
the
ballot
or
not.
F
But
rick,
don't
you
think
that
council
probably
has
just
about
the
best
idea
of
what
the
mega
does
right
now,
where
they
would
not
need
to
have
him
present?
You
know
a
reconciliation
of
what
he
does.
F
C
Oh
and
I'm
not
questioning
that
denise,
I'm
just
saying
at
some
point
in
time
either
the
chairman
or
co-chairman
is
going
to
appear
before
council
and
explain
the
the
foundation
for
our
belief
that
the
mayor
deserves
a
raise
and
and
we
we
need
to
be
able
to
articulate
what
that
basis
is,
and-
and
this
not
only
goes
for
our
current
mayor,
who
is
a
very
diligent
mayor.
But
this
will
go
for
every
mayor
in
the
future.
C
D
Maybe
a
better
way
to
do
that
would
be
to
actually
you
know
he
could
actually
kind
of
write
up
a
little
bit
of
a
job
description
and
if
nothing
else,
rather
than
just
presenting
it,
but
I'm
looking
at
section
2.06,
is
that
where
we
would
look
at
his
responsibilities
right,
justin.
B
C
I'm
not
an
advocate
for
writing
down
the
responsibilities.
I
like
a
mayor
like
mike
zeta,
who
takes
charge
and
tries
to
be
two
places
at
once
and
gives
a
lot
to
the
city.
That's
the
kind
of
mayor
that
we
want,
but
we
have
to
be
able
other
than
our
just
gut
reaction
that
whatever
the
mayor
is
now
making
is
not
enough.
We
don't
have
any
data
to
support
our
recommendation
and-
and
maybe
maybe
I'm
just
I
just
don't
get
it.
D
C
C
Council:
here's
why
we
think
he's
subject
to
a
me
too
clause
for
review
every
year
so
that
he
can
be
adequately
compensated.
And
I
know-
and
if
council
accepts
it,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
sell
it
to
the
voters
or
this
someone's
going
to
have
to
sell
it
to
the
voters
and
and
they're
they're,
not
a
very
understanding
bunch.
D
D
D
So
I
mean
if
he
just
writes
down
he's,
probably
got
a
log
in
his
calendar.
That
shows
all
these
things,
but
I
mean
that's:
that's
not
a
bad
idea
to
see
if
he
can
give
us
a
you
know,
a
summary
of
his
responsibilities
and
the
effort
that
he
puts
into
it
that
he
thinks
we
don't
have
to
believe
them,
but
we
can
at
least
take
it
and
see
if
we
have
a
good
feel
for
it.
D
That's
what
I
was
thinking
earlier
when
I
said
we
should
look
at
that
to
justify
you
know
the
the
salary
and,
if
we
needed
to
add
more
things
to
it
or
you
know,
list
the
things
or
more
details,
then
we
should
do
that
and
that's
how
you
sell
it
and
then
we
justify
it
by
the
fact
that
this
is
what
the
mayor
has
been
doing
for
the
last
four
years.
D
So
do
you
want
me
to
reach
out
to
the
mayor
and
see
what
his
thoughts
are
on,
putting
together
something
and
then
give
it
to
us
first
and
then
he
could.
We
will
look
at
it
and
then,
if
we
need
to
have
him
present-
or
you
know,
you
know,
discuss
it
with
us,
then
we
can
ask
him
to
come
to
our
next
meeting
or
whatever
and
and
go
over
it
with
us.
D
If
we
can't
understand
it,
but
I
think
if
he
could
just
write
out,
you
know
a
simple
list
of
things
and
the
effort
that
he's
put
into
it
on
a
general
scale,
and
then
we
can
ask
him
questions
on
it.
Rather
than
just
have
him
come
and
tell
us
off
the
off
the
cuff.
A
Ellen
so
the
the
way
the
charter
is
currently
written,
the
mayor's
salary
right.
If
you
look
at
the
struck
out
language
below
the
mayor's
salary
rates
fixed
at
the
2000
salary
rate-
and
it
can
only
be
increased
by
about
a
change
in
the
charter,
so
council
has
no
discretion
to
give
an
increase,
even
if
they
wanted
to
it's
2007
salary
rate.
E
D
Well,
let's,
let's
do
this?
Okay,
let's
let's
this
is
my
suggestion-
is
justin
write
up
a
little
bit
of
a
revised
discussion
on
this
18
grand
plus
some
kind
of
a
me
too
consideration
by
the
council
every
year
and
then
I'll
reach
out
to
the
mayor
to
get
some
kind
of
a
report
of
what
he's
been
doing,
how
much
effort
he's
been
putting
into
this
thing
and
then
we'll
look
at
section
2.06
and
tailor
it
in
a
way?
D
That's
not
necessarily
everything
he's
been
doing,
but
things
that
we
think
are
important
that
need
to
be
considered
for
the
future.
I
think
that
was
you
josh
saying
that
wasn't
it
and
that
way,
what's
written
down
on
paper,
will
you
know
justify
the
salary,
whether
the
mayor
does
it
or
not,
or
the
mayor
does
extra
or
not?
That's,
not
the
question
really
we're
just
trying
to
make
it
things
equal
or
you
know,
add
up
so
then
we
sell
it
to
the
council
and
the
city
by.
D
All
right
so
I'll
reach
out
to
the
mayor
and
get
his
get
a
have
him
generate
a
report
for
us
for
the
next
meeting
and
then
we'll
take
that
and
look
section
2.06
with
those
kind
of
different
things
that
he's
got
on
paper
in
mind,
because
you
know
he
may
be
doing
things.
That
may
not
be
something
we
thought
were
important,
but
we
may
want
to
put
that
into
the
charter.
E
A
So,
do
you
want
us
I'll,
tell
you
where
you
want
me
to
go
in
the
document?
The
next
section
that
was
really
was
the
council
compensation.
D
So,
just
because
I
can't
totally
remember
how
we
were
talking
about
that.
Can
somebody
refresh
my
mind
what
we're
thinking.
G
G
A
D
D
Again,
I
kind
of
like
to
go
on
the
the
responsibilities
versus
the
pay,
but
rather
than
just
arbitrarily
kicking
it
up
there,
because
I'm
not
sure
what
it
would
take
to
meet
it,
but
if
it
is
10
grand
or
something
like
that,
I
I
again
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
there
it's
the
the
things
to
do
list
is
big
enough
to
to
go
along
with
it.
G
I
hear
you
yeah.
You
know
I.
D
G
D
D
D
Okay,
I
guess
maybe
mine
just
went
unstable
for
a
minute,
but
anyway,
what
I
was
saying
is
again:
if
we're
going
to
look
at
to
bump
up
the
council's
compensation,
you
know,
I
don't
think
just
putting
the
pers
as
a
reasoning
is
good
enough
for
me.
I
think
it
needs
to
be.
You
have
to
look
at
their
their
responsibilities
again
and
make
sure
it's
in
sync
is
all
right
and
that's.
D
E
D
D
What
what
hourly
rate
would
you
think,
are
you
putting
in
there
like
50.
E
D
E
D
C
C
As
far
as
the
executive
and
the
legislative
branch
are
concerned,
those
those
areas
of
the
budget-
I
mean
how
are
those
determined
as
opposed
to
building
roads
and
running
the
police
department
and
those
kinds
of
things.
It
seems
that
if
we
as
a
charter
review
commission,
know
how
to
adjust
that
budget
and
put
more
money
towards
the
executive
or
towards
the
legislature,
we
we
might
have
a
better
idea
of
what
to
recommend.
A
A
A
Council
has
to
improve
the
entire
budget.
It's
it's
like
all
sort
of.
A
C
Well,
is
it?
Is
it
going
to
be
impossible,
no
matter
what
we
recommend
that
count,
that
council
says
well
the
the
money's
not
there.
We
can't
even
consider
this
type
of
recommendation
from
the
charter
review
commission,
because
the
money's
not
there,
I
mean
how
we
don't.
We
don't
want
to
spin
our
wheels
with
a
recommendation
that
can't
financially
work.
C
Will
the
finance
director
be
able
to
support
that
recommendation
by
saying
yeah?
We
can
move
x
amount
of
money
from
one
area
of
the
budget
over
here
it's
not
going
to
create
a
hardship.
I
mean
everybody's
going
to
squawk.
Whenever
money
is
reallocated,
but
can
it
be
done?
I
mean,
if
it's
impossible
to
be
done,
then
we're
just
spinning
our
wheels
here.
Considering
these
recommendations.
D
A
I
would
say
from
the
city's
perspective,
there's
still
uncertainty
to
you
know
until
everything's
up
and
running
fully
what
the
revenues
look
like.
You
know
again
we're.
First
half
year
collections
are
starting
to
come
in,
but
you
know
it's
tough
to
know
where
you're
going
to
be
your
end.
A
C
Just
saying
we're
talking
2022,
so
if
the
finance
director
were
to
come
in
and
tell
us
as
a
charter
review
commission,
no
matter
what
you
recommend,
there's
not
going
to
be
additional
money
for
any
raises
for
the
people
or
the
mayor.
I
would
like
to
know
that
before
I
make
a
final
consideration
of
whether
to
make
a
recommendation
as
a.
C
Member
and
I
don't
know
how
to
go
about
finding
that
information
out-
and
I
certainly
want
justin
to
give
us
that
information,
but
I
just
if
the
if
the
administration
is
saying
under
no
circumstances
can
it
support
a
raise
for
the
mayor
or
a
raise
for
council,
because
the
money's
just
not
there
and
can't
be
allocated
to
be
there.
I
don't
know
why
we're
even
considering
this.
F
But
in
the
situation
of
the
last
charter
review
when
the
mayor
had
not
had
an
increase,
then
in
a
matter
of
over
eight
years-
and
it
was
not
a
time
of
fiscal
dire
stress
as
it
is
now
with
covet,
etc.
F
When
the
council
made
the
recommendation
to
approve
an
increase
for
the
mayor
at
that
time,
there
were
several
council
members
who
were
extremely
beyond
conservative,
who
shot
it
down
right
then
and
there,
and
they
did
not
even
consider
the
validity
of
it.
So
I'm
looking
at
it,
it's
only
a
recommend,
we're
only
a
recommending
panel,
so
we
have
nothing
to
lose
by
making
this
recommendation.
D
Is
fair
and
just
what
one
of
the
one
of
the
thoughts
that
I
always
had
as
a
councilman,
you
know
was
the
fact:
the
city
needs
to
be
able
to
manage
itself
properly,
and
that
means
you
got
to
have
the
proper
people
in
place,
and
that
starts
with
the
mayor.
So,
regardless
of
what
the
budget
says,
you
know
we
gotta
have
we
got
to
have
a
mayor
that
you
know
is
responsible
accountable,
and
you
know
you
don't
always
get
the
opportunity
to
have
a
mayor
like
zeta
in
there.
D
That
you
know
cares
more
than
than
what
the
salary
is.
So
I
I
still
think
you
know
with
with
denise
we're
making
a
recommendation
for
the
future.
I
think
it's
important
that
we,
I
think
it's
important,
that
we
understand
that
stuff
as
far
as
the
what
the
budget
has,
but
we're
talking
a
few
thousand
dollars
in
a
in
a
budget.
D
I
think
if
we
looked
at
the
the
overall
budget
of
the
city,
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
we're
it's
gonna
be
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
whole
thing
that
shouldn't
even
be
really
any
kind
of
a
concern,
and
some
people
will
make
it
a
concern
just
because
it's
an
easy
target.
But
again
if
we
do
our
homework
and
we
have
a
a
list
of
responsibilities
and
and
those
kind
of
things
I
think
it's
that's
that's
where
I'd
like
to
go
is
just
make
sure.
D
I'm
looking
here,
there's
nothing
that
really
talks
about
what
the
council
has
to
do.
You
know
so
just
giving
them
a
raise
to
meet
p-e-r-s
and
that
you
know
it
doesn't
really
sit
well
with
me
unless
we
get
into
some
of
their
responsibilities
a
little
bit
more.
But
as
far
as
the
mayor
goes,
I
can't
believe
if
we're
only
talking
a
few
thousand
dollars,
we
can't
find
that
in
the
city
so.
B
D
The
budget,
but
they
didn't
have
the
twenty
thousand
dollar
in
there.
I
don't
think
they
they
were.
What
was
the
original
one.
D
A
A
B
D
I
I
I
motion,
I
mean
we
can
decide
on
this
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
I
say
we
we
we
move
forward
with
what
we
said
for
the
the
mayor
add
more
input
to
that
as
far
as
the
responsibilities
to
section
2.06
after
we
hear
the
mayor's
report
and
then,
as
far
as
council
goes
again,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
looking
at
increased
compensation,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
it
just
solely
for
the
purposes
of
meeting
pers
requirements,
because
I
I've
seen
a
lot
of
problems
with
that,
but
they
may
have
got
away.
D
They
may
have
done
away
with
some
of
those
concerns
with
councilman
having
the
pers
in
their
system
and
then
three
years
before
they
retire
in
their
real
world.
They
get
a
job
that
pays
a
hundred
grand
a
year
and
their
retirement
is
based
on
that
because
they've
had
you
know
all
these
years
of
being
a
councilman.
D
So
I
have
a.
I
have
a
hard
time
doing
that
without
the
knowledge
of
the
pers,
but
as
far
as
the
salary
goes
like
ellen
was
saying,
you
know
it's,
it's
not
hard
to
justify
the
pay,
but
if
we're
gonna
make
any
kind
of
increases,
we
got
to
add
to
the
list
of
things
to
do.
That's
my
opinion,
I
mean,
am
I
missing
something
justin
or
they.
D
D
So
again,
if
we
need
to
to
modify
the
charter
so
that
a
voters
would
understand
that
hey
we,
we
we're
holding
the
council
accountable
for
certain
things.
Now
that
might
not
have
been
real
clear
and
to
support
a
more
reasonable
salary.
You
know
that's
kind
of
the
give
and
take
a
little
bit.
You
know
you're,
giving
them
a
little
bit
more
money,
but
you're
you're
you're.
It's
not
really
like
you're,
taking
away
anything
but
you're
requiring
things
from
it.
That's
kind
of
my
thought.
D
You
know
if
it's
just
adding
a
little
bit
of
belt
and
suspenders
type
of
thing
to
something
the
ohio
revised
code
has
in
there.
That's
I'm!
Okay,
with
doing
that.
I
have
to
I
don't
know
what
the
ohio
revised
code
says
about
council.
D
So
justin
can
you
can
you
help
point
us
in
that
direction
of
at
least
indicating
what
the
responsibilities
of
our
council
member
are?
You
know
include
yeah.
D
E
E
G
E
E
A
A
D
A
I
think
that
was
generally
agreed
to
last
time,
but
if
there
was,
I
didn't
get
any
comments
after
the
meeting
about
it,
so
we
can
move
on
unless
someone
wants
to
yeah.
A
The
one
new
administration
where's
that
recommendation
and
then
we
can
jump
back
to
whatever
anyone
else
wants
to
talk
about,
but
I
just
want
to
say
the
one
new
recommendation
that
was
thought
about
was
right.
Now
we
have
a
lot
of
problems.
Filling
boards
and
commissions
in
the
city
and
two
particularly
difficult
are
playing
commission
in
bza,
and
there
are
some
communities
in
ohio.
A
This
is
where
we
got
the
idea
that
have
the
plane,
commission
and
bca
members
serve
in
the
dual
role
so
that
the
thinking
would
be
to
the
recommendation
would
be
to
have.
The
playing
commission
consist
of
five
members,
so
administrative
officer
in
five
electors
and
then
that
those
six
members.
A
Playing
commission
and
then
the
five
members
who
aren't
the
administrative
officer
would
then
become
the
bca.
Also
so
they're
not
ever
overseeing
their
own
rulings,
but
they
would.
They
would
be
playing
a
dual
role,
because
a
lot
of
the
issues
are
similar.
The
type
of
knowledge
you
have
to
have
about
engineering.
A
That
they're
very
similar,
but
that
that
would
be
the
thought
is
trying
to
combine
those
commissions
just
to
make
it
easier
to
fill.
Instead
of
trying
to
find
11
people
or
10
people
to
fill
awards,
you
just
have
to
find
the
five.
So
that's.
D
My
initial
thought
is
the
conflict
of
interest,
though
that
could
exist.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's.
It
makes
sense
from
a
logical
point
of
view
as
far
as
the
type
of
people
that
would
get
involved
with
that,
but
you
know
planning
commission
is
planning.
Zoning
is
following
the
rules,
so
you
know
you
don't
want
to
get
to
where
you
know:
you're
you're,
you're
you're,
allowing
things
to
happen
to
make
the
planning
system
work
until
you
get
the
proper
zoning
in
place.
D
A
Yeah
they're,
not
they're,
not
reviewing
so
the
bza
doesn't
review.
Bca
is
an
administrative
oversight
for
zoning
matters
for
the
city.
The
playing
commission
is
for
they're
doing
a
different
function,
so
the.
F
A
Like
they're,
not
they're
not
reviewing
themselves
in
that
way,
but
the
way
the
way
it
was
written.
The
recommendation
was
that
playing
commission
would
be
those
five
administrative
officer
plus
the
five
residents
and
then
the
plan,
the
bza
would
be
the
five
residents
and
administrative
officers,
the
secretary
of
the
board,
so
essentially
you're
just
streamlining
the
the
meeting
process
and
potentially
taking
care
of
both
items
on
the
same
night.
So.
A
A
change,
I
think
you
know
against
this
recommendation,
so
I'll
jump.
D
B
D
I
kind
of
stand
with
my
initial
thought.
I
think
there
could
be
a
conflict
of
of
interest
or
procedures
in
there
that
you
know
you
could
be
railroad
you
could
you
could
be
changing
the
way
you
want
something
to
be
zoned
based
on
bza,
approving
things
that
shouldn't
be
necessarily
approved
right
away,
because
you
know
you
could
approve
things
that
aren't
within
the
zoning
requirements.
A
F
A
A
The
administrator
would
be
a
member
of
the
planning
commission
because
plane
commission's
not
reviewing
administration
actions.
Bza
is
actually
reviewing
its
appeal
of
an
administrative
action,
so
the
administrative
officer
would
not
be
on
bza,
but
they
would
act
as
a
secretary
right
just
to
be
there
to
facilitate
the
meeting,
but
the
bza
is
supposed
to
be
administrative
oversight
of
administration
actions,
so
the
administrative
officer
should
not
be
a
member
of
that
board.
F
C
Justin,
doesn't
the
planning
commission
rule
on
plans
and
plats
and
those
kinds
of
things,
and
then
they
are
subject
to
oversight
and
review
by
the
actual
council?
If
the
planning
commission
recommends
or
the
planning
commission
opposes,
then
it
goes
to
counsel
for
a
vote.
I
does
the
bza.
The
board
of
zoning
appeals
ever
have
oversight
over
what
the
planning
commission
does.
I
I
didn't
believe
it
did.
A
It
like
a
lawyer,
it
goes
plan,
commission,
council,
court,
the
bza
goes
administrative
action,
bza
court,
so
there's
an
appeal
process,
an
overall
determination
process
of
the
city
but
you're
right.
The
planning
commission
makes
recommendations
to
council
for
approval
or
disapproval
and
bza
does
not
that's
a
different
different
role
that
they
feel
they
don't.
They
do
not.
D
A
D
Sure
I
had
them,
but
let
me
just
every
time
we
talk
back
and
forth
what
I
just
heard
from
from
you
know,
going
back
and
forth
with
rick.
I
just
want
to
get
it
clear
in
my
head,
because
I
I'm
pretty
confident
that
I
think
there's
a
potential
conflict
in
there,
so
we
have
a
hard
time
getting
members
of
the
you
know
general
public
to
be
on
these
boards
all
right.
D
So
the
idea
is
to
merge
the
two
different
boards
together,
you
got
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
you
got
the
planning
commission
right
yep,
and
so,
if
there's
five
people
for
each
of
those,
let's
make
it
serve
one
common
goal.
So
planning
do
they
they're
all
about
looking
down
the
road-
and
this
is
my
opinion-
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
if
they
want
to
start
changing
the
zoning
in
a
particular
area
of
the
city,
it
starts
with
the
planning
commission
right.
That's.
D
Right
so
all
right,
and
if,
if
the
bza
members
who
technically
police
the
current
zoning
laws
are
part
of
planning,
the
future
there's
definitely
a
potential
conflict
in
my
mind.
So
if
if
that
relationship
is,
is
what
I'm
saying
it
is
that
the
five
members
of
bza
are
also
five
members
of
the
planning
commission,
I
I
know
I
asked
it
three
times
already,
but
if
that's
the
case,
I'm
I'm
staying
infirm
that
I
think
it's
a
conflict
there
and
I
won't
recommend
it.
E
No,
I
am
yes,
I
am
okay,
why?
Why
are
they
taking
out
the
in
602
they're,
eliminating
the
parks
and
one
place,
says,
parks
and
cemetery?
One
place
says:
parks
and
recreation
and
they're.
A
Talking
about
yeah,
it
was
just
replacing
that
member
with
the
five
electors,
I
don't
know
the
historical
reasons
why
the
parking
cemetery
board
member
serves
on
planning.
But
it's
just
to
put
those
five
electors
in
whoever
they
are.
E
E
A
A
A
F
A
A
The
way
that
our
primary
elections
are
held
in
the
city
for
council
members
or
the
mayor,
if
a
certain
number
of
people
file
for
an
office
there's
a
primary
election
and
then
those
people,
the
winner
of
those
primaries,
will
then
move
on
to
the
general
election.
A
Our
charter
has
the
primary
at
the
eighth
tuesday,
prior
to
the
municipal
election,
which
is,
I
think,
a
lot
of
cities
had
this
type
of
language.
Historically,
I
think
that
was
consistent
with
the
revised
code.
Historically,
so
that
means
you'd
have
a
september
primary
prior
to
november
election,
the
board
of
elections.
A
few
years
ago,
county
board
of
elections,
along
with
the
secretary
of
state's
office,
was
making
the
recommendation
that
people
move
it
to
may
and
the
reason
they
asked
for
that
is.
A
There
was
issues
with
overseas
ballots
and
making
sure
you
knew
the
for
the
military
and
making
sure
you
knew
who
the
people
were,
who
were
running
in
the
races
in
november,
so
they
couldn't
get
the
november
ballots
done,
because
september
primaries
were
too
close
to
that
november
election
to
be
able
to
do
the
overseas
ballots.
So
norton,
I
think,
is
one
of
two
communities
in
summit
county
that
hasn't
conformed
with
that
requirement.
A
So
we're
thinking
now
is
a
good
time
to
conform
to
that
and
say.
If
we're
gonna
have
a
primary
that
should
move
into
the
first
tuesday
in
may,
it
saves
costs,
you
wouldn't
have
to
pay
for
a
special
election
which
we
would
have
to
do
now
in
the
event
enough
people
filed
and
that's
the
that's
the
gist
of
what
that.
What
that
change
or
that
thought
is-
and
I
yeah
I'll
stop
there
and
let
people
discuss.
B
G
G
A
All
right,
so
that's
that's
what
I
had
so
I'm
happy
to
again
I'll
go
back
to
the
top
and
if
anyone
wants
to
discuss
anything
else,.
A
Talked
about,
I
think
we
talked
about
this
3.19,
removing
the
public
library
as
a
place
where
public
notices
would
be
published
just
deferring
that
to
being
the
city,
administrative
building
and
the
city's
website
for
people
to
get
information
about.
What's
been
beyond
agendas
and
providing
notice.
A
G
If,
if
the
mayor,
like
vacates
office,
for
any
reason
it
talks
about
who
steps
in
and
whether
or
not
they
want
to,
and
if
they
can
for
some
reason
that
that
bothers
me,
how
like
whoever
is
next
in
line
to
step
up
that
they
don't
want
to,
they
don't
have
to
take
it.
A
B
A
Don't
I
don't
know
if
it's
normal,
I
don't
know
if
it's
normal
honestly,
I
think
you
could
sort
of
just
make
them
the
mayor
by
charter,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
normal
to
say
they
can
decline.
It.
F
B
B
F
F
It's
not
what
they've
signed
on
for
they've
signed
on
for
as
a
council
person,
not
for
that
role
of
mayor,
so
to
make
it
compulsive
that
I
could
see
where
they
could
pass
and
not
take
it.
E
A
There's
a
lot:
it's
it's
elected
by
council
members.
You
can
serve
two
years
in
a
row,
basically
as
president
of
council
before
you're
there
before
your
term
for
lack
of
a
better
term
limited
to
that
office
and
then
a
new
president
council
has
to
be
selected
after
two
years.
E
E
D
A
C
I
I
I
agree
with
denise.
I
I
don't
think
that
it
should
be
mandatory.
I
think
many
times,
council
people
become
councilmen
because
of
a
sense
of
civic
duty.
They
become
council
president
or
vice
president
as
a
specific
duty,
and
they
may
not
want
to
be
the
mayor.
In
my
experience,
most
charters-
and
I
don't
have
the
greatest
experience,
but
in
the
charters
that
I've
had
the
occasion
to
view
it
has
always
been
that
this
out
has
always
been
in
each
charter.
C
D
D
You
got
to
have
these,
you
got
to
have
this
system
in
place,
so
you
can't
let
it
be
wishy-washy.
So
I
think
you
know
that's
otherwise.
You
know
everything
falls
apart.
I
I
think
you
got
to
have
this
responsibility
on
the
table.
I
think
when
they
become
president
of
council,
that
they
know
that
that
could
possibly
be
down
the
road
and
and
the
other
council
members
need
to
know
what
they're
voting
on
in
case.
You
know
I
mean
so.
C
D
B
B
And
this
is
david,
it
sounds
like
if
it's
not
broke,
don't
fix
it
and
I'm
worried
about
charter
voting
overload
like
too
many
issues
to
present
to
the
voters,
and
this
isn't
one
of
them.
That's
significant,
so
I'd
rather
just
not
have
it
possibly
even
be
on
a
charter
vote.
B
D
Well,
I
don't
think
the
president
of
council
has
more
power,
he
gets
more,
he
gets.
He
runs
the
meetings
he
can
kind
of
control
that
a
little
bit,
but
they
don't
have
any
more
voting
power
or
any
more.
They
just
have
the
platform
a
little
bit
more.
I
think.
E
A
Council
doesn't
want
to
be
the
mayor,
but
there
may
be
a
member
of
council
who
is
interested
in
running
and
when
you
can
appoint
a
member
of
council,
they
can
then
run
as
an
incumbent
in
the
next
election.
So
I
mean
there's
those
practical
considerations
that
you
got
to
think
about,
but
again
I'll
shut
up
again
again.
D
D
D
A
A
A
Okay,
so
what
is
there
anything
I
can
do
to
help
get
information
sounds
like
I'm
still
talking
about
those
salary
increases
and
information.
You
guys
need
from
administration,
particularly
the
finance
director.
Is
there
anything
like
any
requests?
I
can
make
anything
before
the
next
meeting.
That'll
help
you
guys
well.
D
So
we
can
decide
on
that
and
then
just
verifying,
maybe
you
already
did-
and
I
didn't
hear
it
if
we
were
gonna-
look
at
a
salary
based
on
the
p-e-r-s
requirements.
What
that
would
be.
A
D
A
D
C
A
I
did
I
did
that
earlier.
Oh.
A
Not
represented
in
that
survey,
okay.
So
if
there's,
if
you're
seeing
a
community,
you
say,
but
I'd
really
like
to
know
who
x
is
or
what
x
is
paying
and
on
that
survey,
then
that's
probably
something
we
can
reach
out
to
lou
or
we
have
a
good
relationship
with
him
as
well
to
try
to
get
that
information
all
right
to.
A
D
D
So
I
know
from
my
point
of
view
I
I'm
gonna
between
now.
The
next
meetings
been,
I
haven't,
spent
this
the
time.
Looking
at
anything
that
I
would
like
to
suggest
really
to
be
honest
with
you,
since
we
started
this
thing,
so
I
know
I'm
going
to
make
a
point
before
the
next
meeting
to
kind
of
look
at
it.
So
I
could
say
I
don't
have
anything
or
I
have
a
couple
things:
okay,.
A
A
All
right
and
do
we
want
to
look
two
weeks
ago,
todd.
D
Know
I
think
that,
based
on
the
the
time
frame,
we
can't
go
too
much
longer,
but
yeah.
Let
me
is
that,
okay
with
everybody
else,
yes,
yes,
this
time
works
good,
so
yeah,
two
weeks
again
and-
and
you
know
I
like
I-
I
know-
probably
most
of
you
guys-
have
spent
more
time
looking
at
this
than
me,
but
just
let's
make
it
a
plan
to
to
try
to
have
any
of
our
own
personal
comments.
We
said
on
the
table
first.
B
A
B
C
B
D
All
right
yeah,
I
felt
like
I
was
a
little
more
focused.
So
for
me
it
was
a
better
meeting
for
sure,
and
the
only
thing,
I'll
just
say
is
just
one
more
time.
I'm
gonna
focus
on
what
I
think
and
if
everybody
else
does
that,
then
we
can
come
up
with
a
list
right
after
that
meeting.
The
next
thing
we'll
do
is
to
itemize
what
we're
changing,
so
we
can
really
decide
if
it's
worth
it
or
not.
So
with
that,
I
motioned
that
we
adjourn
the
meeting
a.