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01-25-2022 Planning Commission Meeting
C
D
Okay,
I'm
gonna
call
the
norton
planning
commission
meeting
to
order
at
six
o'clock
and
shannon.
Would
you
do
a
roll
call?
Please?
Yes,.
A
E
A
F
D
Okay,
I
was
going
to
hold
off
on
old
business.
You
issue
from
the
last
meeting
minutes
that
we
added
some
wording
on
the
c1
zoning
we'll
cover
that
after
we
address
the
pc
application
so
for
new
business
we
have
pc
application,
spr
1
2022.
This
was
with
fx
property
holdings
at
2890,
barber
road
and
we
have
a
sketch
prepared
for.
D
G
I'm
nils
johnson,
I'm
a
civil
engineer
with
cunningham
and
associates
working
on
behalf
of
property
owner
and
david
averett.
The
property
owners
here
as
well
I'll,
just
give
you
a
quick
rundown
on
the
layout
of
the
property
and
the
proposal,
and
if
there's
any
questions
about
the
the
use,
the
business
use
in
the
property,
david,
probably
more
appropriate
to
answer
those
questions.
G
G
There
will
be
one
access
point
off
the
barber
road
and
then
another
access
point
off
of
clark
mill,
road,
the
city's
actually,
both
of
those
aprons
be
paved
in
asphalt
and
then
the
site
itself
we're
proposing
to
have
gravel.
It
might
be
some
grinding
grinding
asphalt,
grindings,
recycled
or
gravel
on
a
good
portion
of
the
lot.
As
shown
on
the
plan,
I
mean
that
area
is
shown,
hatched
and
labeled
and
then
there's
a
proposed
pole
building
80
by
148.
G
G
There's
an
office
planned
on
the
northern
part
of
that
building,
and
so
we'll
be
running
sanitary
sewer
and
water
connections
to
service
the
office.
There'll
be
restrooms
in
there,
possibly
we'll
have
a
future
building.
That's
depicted
on
the
plan
behind
the
first
building,
similar
dimensions,
but
that
will
be
in
the
future.
G
Additionally,
we're
planting
a
storm
water
management
basin
in
the
front
of
the
property
off
of
barbara
road.
You
know
all
the
improved
areas
will
be
graded
and
directed
into
that
stormwater
management
basin.
G
We
did
have
a
preliminary
discussion
with
the
city
administration,
including
the
city
engineer
from
gpd,
and
we
talked
about
the
kind
of
the
procedure
that
this
would
be.
The
final
site
plan
review,
hopefully
approval
from
planning
commission
and
then
we
would
proceed
to
the
engineering,
design
and
review
stage
which
is
handled
by
gpd
as
my
understanding
and
that's
when
we'll
get
more
technical
into
the
proposed
braiding
stormwater
management
calculations,
etc.
That
those
will
be
reviewed
by
the
engineering.
G
G
C
F
It
has
been
a
farmer
for
many
years
and
I
have
been
down
barbara
road
after
heavy
rain
and
only
on
the
south
portion
of
seeing
water
start
to
touch
the
property
line,
but
it
actually
the
100
year
flood
you
know,
will
come
up
probably,
but
that
elevation
is
going
to
be
brought
up.
So
we're
going
to
fix
that
problem.
D
D
And
I
guess
we,
we
always
look
for
josh
from
gpd
to
give
us
input.
Just
so
we
know-
and
I
guess
the
only
things
he
had
was
the
let's
see
the
need,
some
more
details
on
the
site
plan
and
then
a
drainage
report,
and
I
don't
know
whether
you've
seen
those
comments
or
not.
G
B
B
G
D
D
F
D
D
F
D
D
Well,
I
guess
I
think,
we're
going
to
treat
this
as
a
final
site
plan
and
then
probably
put
some
words
in
there
that
says,
subject
to
satisfac
resolution
of
you
know
the
city
engineers
comments
if
we
approve
this
yeah.
D
D
G
D
C
A
A
He
was
well
aware
of
some
of
the
plans
we
discussed
retention
areas
and
so
on
so
forth,
along
with
aprons
at
the
roadway,
for
you
know
not
just
gravel
outside
to
the
road
and
stuff.
So
there's
all
that
stuff's
been
talked
about
there
working,
you
know
with
it.
The
fenced-in
area
was
to
help.
You
know
with
the
containers
that
may
be
on
site.
Most
of
everything
that
comes
back.
There
is
empty,
there's
really
never
ever
any
times
I
mean
I
shouldn't
say
ever,
but
it
isn't
their
common
practice
to
have
loaded
containers
on
their
site.
C
F
In
the
winter
months,
if
they
sit
on
a
job
site
for
a
month
and
say
you
have
a
mouth
or
the
sun
comes
out
and
freezes
at
the
bottom,
it
won't
come
out.
So
then
you
know.
D
D
D
D
So
we
have
the
meeting
minutes
from
december
14th
that
were
sent
out.
D
Yeah
and
then
we
had
some
discussions
at
that
last
meeting
about
the
issue
of
the
c1
zoning
and
how
it
affects
you
know
the
chipotles,
and
so
we
did
add
that
into
there
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
catch
up
with
robert.
I
talked
to
shannon
briefly
and
I
I
know
I'd,
ask
her
to
talk
to
to
bill
to
see
what
our
position
is.
E
B
E
A
District,
the
two
vacant
properties
when
they
came
to
the
the
one
house
that
wanted
to
be
torn
down
they
came
to
us,
wanted
to
make
to
sell
it
to
be
able
to
list
it
listed
as
a
business
property.
A
So
we
talked
to
the
owner
of
the
property
next
door,
which
is
vacant,
and
we
decided
at
that
point.
That
was
a
good
time
to
go
to
send
that
to
planning
to
to
actually
make
the
zone
change
there,
but
the
cost
is
all
on
the
city.
So
it's
you
can't
go,
do
everything
at
once
and
it's
just
going
to
be
a
a
process
to
go
through
all
those
of
converting
them
all
to
c1.
So
I
mean
at.
B
C
I
understand
that
bill,
but
it's
it's
it's
a
pipe
dream.
It's
it's
never
going
to
get
anywhere,
you're,
spinning
in
the
mud,
and
I
say
that
because
if
you
want
a
town
center
for
renovations
and
or
new
construction,
if
there's
any
way
legally
to
have
an
overlay
template,
I'm
not
saying
changing
the
zone,
I'm
just
saying
overlay
it
so
that
you
have
some
restrictions
on
what
you
end
up
with.
C
Otherwise
you
could
put
something
there
that
you
can
you
can't
go
to
c1
or
the
overlay
and
say
no,
that's
not
acceptable,
because
of
that
it's
still
an
industrial
or
a
business
one
or
r2
or
whatever
it
is.
You
know
I
understand
I
understand
you're
concerned
it.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
have
any
it's
just
words
in
our
code
that
don't
aren't
going
to
get
us
anywhere
as
a
city?
C
A
A
A
I
understand
that,
but
if
you,
if
you
go
back
from
when
that
property
started
all
its
right
away
issues
all
the
transfers,
everything
that
we've
worked
through
on
that,
I'm
sure
I
mean
you
have
to
remember
all
the
stuff
that
we've
went
through
with
that
property.
So
I
think
it
at
that
point.
It
was
a
just
a
an
opinion
at
that
point:
hey
this
is
gonna
fit
what
we
have
in
mind.
A
We've
been
messing
with
this
property
tinker
with
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
people's
hands
in
on
it
right
at
the
moment,
with
selling
buying
corporates
all
that
other
kind
of
stuff,
then
it
was
probably
just
maybe
an
opinion
to
leave
well
enough
alone
at
that
point,
not
saying
that
that
was
right,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
a
half-hearted
excuse.
A
Maybe
I
hate
to
say
it
that
way,
but
I
I
mean
I
think
that
the
objective
is
to
move
forward
on
that
I
mean
obviously,
council
passed
it
it's
just
getting
that
process
to
where
you
can
start
fresh,
and
you
know
I
think,
when
you
have
a
larger
area
that'll.
You
know
that
we,
you
know,
hear
everything.
That's
possibly
could
be
coming
down
through
the
pike
of
cleveland
road.
D
Well,
I
think,
there's
a
valid
question
there,
and-
and
actually
I
when
this
first,
when
we
approved
this
originally
I
talked
to
robert
and
mike
zeta
about
you
know.
How
do
you
do
this?
Because
you
know
what
you're
saying
here
is
all
everybody's
going
to
be
c1,
I
said:
there's
going
to
be
people,
you
probably
have
250
to
400
properties,
and
I
don't
know
how
you
can
like
somebody.
E
B
C
D
D
About
hudson
and
he
says,
look
at
hudson,
you
know
they
have
all
these
essentially
the
same
thing
and
you
get
these
these
big
companies
coming
in
and
saying:
no
we're
not
going
to
do
it,
you
know,
and
then
they
get
into
these
big
fights
and
compromises,
because
you
know
hudson
wants
to
be
this.
You
know,
look
like
all
the
same
community
in
their
you
know,
and
the
developers
said
this.
These
c
ones
are
kind
of
a
waste
of
time.
D
You
know
they're,
you
know
they
make
the
city
look
nice,
but
they
don't
encourage
business.
If
you.
A
For
a
district
are
much
different
and
I
think
ours
would
comply
with
most
corporate
layouts
that
are
presented
now
yeah.
That
was,
I
mean,
I
know
when
there
was
you
know
going
through
stuff
like
that.
It
was
a
lot
of
research
looking
into
and
it's
pretty
basic
it's
you
know
and
it
like
everything,
there's
avenues
for
people
to
make
subtle
changes
if
needed.
But
you
know
the
the
basis,
for
everything
is
pretty.
D
Standard
so,
but
I
I
you
know,
I
viewed
it
as
like.
You
know
like
talking
to
mike,
I
said.
So.
How
do
you
do
this?
If
you
have
properties
for
sale,
do
you
win
and
convince
those
people
to
rezone
the
c1,
and
he
goes
well?
That's
what
we
want
to
do.
That's
I
guess
that's
we'll
have
to
do
and
of
course
the
city
will
absorb
the
cost
of
that,
because
there's
no
incentive
for
the
you
know
the
owner
to
pay
for
reclassification.
D
A
If
you
just
want
to
update
your
house,
I
would
assume
that
they
are
as
long
as
it's
residential
it
stays.
You
know
as
long
as
you're
using
is
residential,
it
stays
residential.
I
don't
think
that
subject
has
ever
really
changed.
At
least
this
current
administration,
I'm
not
real
sure
what
happened.
I
think
I
know
which
property
you're
talking
about
on
watts
with
pro,
but
I
I
don't
remember
anything
about
that,
but
definitely
if
it
was
destroyed,
it
could
be
rebuilt.
B
D
And
I
think
there
is
a
you
know:
the
absence
of
a
full-time
planning
director
kind
of
like
hurts
this
whole
process.
You
know,
because,
when
you're
promoting
businesses
you
know
he
needs
to
be
aware
of
that,
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
anybody
as
a
true
planning
director.
D
C
C
Get
rid
of
c1,
you
know
talk
to
justin
and
say:
is
there
a
legal
tool
or
legal
code
that
we
can
adopt
sure
you
know
once
we
get
all
the
approvals
of
counseling
everybody
that
will
work,
because
I
don't
see
this
thing
working,
you
know
it's
spot.
Zoning
is
my
opinion.
A
I'm
it's
new
to
us,
we
haven't,
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity,
yet
to
put
it
into,
I
mean
I
mean,
obviously,
if
somebody
came
and
bought
those
two
corner
properties
at
weber
and
cleveland
we'd
have
an
opportunity
to
to
implement
and.
C
D
Well,
let's
say
a
developer:
I
talked
to
he
he
kind
of
viewed
c1,
as
you
know,
more
restrictive
from
the
standpoint
of
encouraging
development
than
it
helps
yeah.
You
know
was
kind
of
interesting
and
he
said
that
not
a
lot
of
cities
do
what
we're
we're
trying
to
do.
Although
they're
you
know,
we've
used
several
of
them
as
examples.
I
think
wadsworth
has
a
similar
zoning.
D
I
mean
we
still
have
approval
that,
but
you
know,
if
you
had
somebody,
you
know
I
mean.
The
only
thing
we
can
do
is
that
you
know
bill
and
robert
fowler
and
them
when
they
meet
with
developers
coming
in.
You
know,
that's
where
you've
got
to
push
the
advantages
of
a
c1
and
but
I
would
say,
that's
probably
more
applicable
to
bigger
properties
than
you
know.
Small
lots,
yeah.
A
I
mean
right
now
I
would
say
I
mean
personally,
it
gives
us
another
tool.
If
somebody
comes
in
and
says
hey,
I
got
plans
for
this
where
we're
at
right
now
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
advantage
of
what
we
ask
for
because
we
have.
You
know
the
overlay
that
we
obviously,
if
there's
you,
know
new
construction.
Maybe
it's
that's.
When
we
try
to
implement
all
that,
you
know
rezoning
certain
parcels
to
the
c1
that
would
implement.
A
You
know
what
we're
asking
for.
So
I
mean
it's
just
I
I
it's
in
its
infant
stages
and
I'm
sure
that
there's
going
to
be
growing
pains
with
it.
I
think
the
the
thought
behind
council
and
administration
was
to
have
a
somewhat
of
a
plan
to
move
forward.
Every
city
has
a
plan
of
what
they
expect
their
downtown
districts.
A
To
look
like,
and
that's
really
what
we
have,
I
mean
yeah,
we
call
it
a
c1
and
there
might
be
certain
things
in
there
that
don't
look
right
to
us
or
whatnot,
but
I
mean
ultimately,
we
have
a
plan
and
we've
never
had
one
before
so
kind
of
intrigued
and
kind
of
excited
to.
When
that
may
happen,
it
hasn't
came
to
us
yet,
but
it
will
I'm
sure
you
know.
E
D
D
B
C
This
strip
of
cleland
maslin
and
then
you
know,
grant
greenwich
here.
My
misunderstanding
was
that
that
overlay
restriction
was
for
a
renovation
or
a
new
construction
in
that
area.
E
C
Along
those
two
roads
which
would
be
chipotle
would
fall
under
that.
That's
why
I
was
questioning
it
at
the
last
meet,
or
this
is
the
december
meeting,
because
we
didn't
have
the
abr
that
architectural
board
of
review
look
at
the
application.
Well
bill
cleared
my
head
up
and
said
now:
it
has
to
be
a
c1
zone
property
which
that
wasn't
so
that
frees
my.
C
C
E
What
wasn't
a
little
fuzzy
but
wasn't
the
point
of
the
c1
overlay
to
finally
get
over
the
hurdle
because
of
the
hodgepodge
of
zoning,
residential
and
business
that
was
on
cleveland,
nestlin
road
and
the
fact
that
we
could
never
go
in
the
cleveland,
maslin
road
and
rezoned
it
all
b1
or
c1
or
anything
else.
So
I
guess
you
could
safely
say
that
the
overlay
was
an
attempt
to
get
around
that
issue.
E
E
A
So
I
mean
you
know,
I
know
that's
a
small
cost
say
it's
just
a
couple
hundred
dollars
in
postage
and
obviously
the
board
cost.
A
A
We've
got
a
couple,
different
paths
I
think
they're
narrowing
though,
and
I
think
the
more
we
talk
about
it
and
the
more
we
you
know,
take
things
back
through
administration
and
you
know
put
things
back
and
forth
that
I
think
those
pads
will
get
narrow
and
hopefully
real
soon,
we'll
all
be
on
the
same
path
and
we'll
all
be
pretty
pretty
pleased
when
our
first
success
story
comes
out.
A
So
I
I
appreciate
jim
all
your
questioning
on
it,
because
I
think
it's
brought
a
lot
of
things
to
light
and
made
us
talk
about
it
and
that's
probably
that's
how
we're
going
to
get
things
accomplished,
and
you
know
these
small
kinks
ironed
out.
C
C
A
There's
benefits
all
to
that.
You
know
I
mean
we
have.
I
mean
obviously
we're
going
to
endure
some
costs
and
we're
going
to
probably
gain
some
cost,
but
through
all
that
you
know
we're
spending
money
to
make
things.
Look
nice
all
of
us,
the
businesses
that
come
right
and
the
city
who's
providing
you
know
all
this
right.
D
C
D
I
was
actually
dealing
with
it,
as
part
of
the
comments
to
the
meeting.
Minutes
is
how
I
was
handling
it.
D
So
so
we
I
have
a
set
of
meeting
minutes
from
december
14th
and
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second,
so
moved.
Okay,.
B
D
Okay
and
we
have
a
roll
call,
shannon
john.
C
D
And
I
don't
think
there
is
anything
else
right
now
kind
of
put
on
your
gym
the
next
time
we
have
a
planned
commission
meeting.
We
probably
just
need
to
do
an
organizational
meeting,
so
somebody
else
wants
to
be
chair
or
co-chair
or
vice
chair
whatever
we
call
it
keep
that
in
mind
so
and
bill
no
other.
D
A
D
A
A
A
C
C
D
D
Okay,
now,
if
there's
no
other
discussions,
move
for
a
adjourn,
the
meeting
at
6
40.