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B
Sure
yep
okay
called
order.
The
city
of
norton
planning
commission
meeting
for
728
to
address
the
application,
spr
5-2,
20-20
and
shannon.
Would
you
do
a
roll
call?
Please.
B
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B
Okay,
okay,
as
far
as
new
business
tonight,
we
have
an
application,
sbr
5-2020,
to
address
a
preliminary
site
plan
for
two
properties
that
are
one
is
brookside
a
land
company
and
one
is
joseph-
is
a
flogi
for
properties
located
on
looks
like
country
club.
This
is
for
a
multi-use
district.
B
We
have
a
set
of
drawings
that
are
dated
actually
that
I
did
talk
to
travis
today
on
this.
The
the
submittal
index
has
version
1,
3
17,
but
actually
the
right
hand
corner,
says
7
2
20.,
so
it
looks
like
we
probably
do
have
the
rights
of
the
drawings,
but
I'm
still
confused
in
a
couple
areas
with
respect
to
some
of
the
details.
B
But
I
guess
mr
friedman,
we
normally
do
is
let
the
applicant
or
the
architect
talk
about
the
structure,
and
you
know
what
the
plan
is
some
of
the
areas
that
we're
interested
in,
because
I
know
a
little
bit
about
this,
but
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
people
who
are
probably
listening
to
this
thing
as
a
live
streaming
and
probably
a
lot
of
missed
information,
but
we'd
like
to
know
like
what
your
plan
is.
Maybe
if
you
feel
comfortable,
like
the
type
of
houses,
you're
planning,
to
build.
G
You
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
planning
commission,
mayor
zita
this.
I
have
to
tell
you.
This
is
very
strange
for
me,
as
I
think
all
of
us
are
in
in
well
I'll
speak
for
myself.
This
is
unchartered
territory.
G
I
have
not
presented
to
a
planning
commission
via
zoom
in
my
life,
and
it's
very
strange
because
I've
had
in
my
career
the
opportunity
to
to
present
and
work
with
many
cities
in
many
states,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
I
enjoy
most
is
being
in
a
plan
in
council
chambers
working
with
planning
commission
working
with
members
of
the
community
who
care
about
that
community
and
and
so
that
this
is
a
little
bit
odd
to
be
looking
at
a
computer
screen
with
so
many
faces
and
not
being
present
and
being
able
to
present
with
visual
aids
and
such
I
know,
travis.
G
Our
engineer
is
on
as
well
and
I'll
probably
use
him
to
share
some
screens
bring
up
the
site
plan,
but
I'm
just
introducing
myself
again
I'm
jason
friedman.
My
company
is
j
friedman,
capital
and
addison
properties.
I
am
a
real
estate
developer.
I've
been
in
the
business
for
about
20
years,
I'm
a
third
generation
developer.
My
grandfather
did
this.
My
father
did
this
and
I
can
remember
as
a
kid
going
to
planning
commissions
with
my
father
and
thinking.
This
is
what
I
want
to
do.
G
G
Northeast
ohio,
as
the
greater
cleveland
area,
is
really
a
pleasure
for
me
because
it's
in
my
it's
in
my
hometown,
I
have
developed
properties
in
other
parts
of
the
country
from
nashville
to
florida.
G
When
I
was
brought
the
opportunity
to
look
at
developing
this
site
it
it,
it
really
isn't
something
that
you
see
that
that
often
anymore,
a
large
piece
of
land
like
this
in
a
community
such
as
norton
a
community
that
already
has
so
many
strengths,
a
community
that
is
developed
and
has
good
jobs,
good
schools
and
and
and
housing
throughout
to
be
able
to
develop.
140
acres
like
this
in
my
business,
is,
is
something
that
doesn't
come
around
often
so
I
jumped
at
the
opportunity.
G
The
property
totals
140
acres
and
currently
it
is
zoned
for
up
to
seven
hundred
one
units.
Let
me
repeat
that
seven
zero
one
now,
what
does
that
mean?
It
really
means
that
we
had
flexibility
to
design
something
that
works
well
inside
of
this
community
and
in
this
area,
and
so
when
travis
and
I
sat
down
with
a
blank
sheet
of
paper
looking
at
an
aerial
map.
Well
today,
now
it's
aerial
maps
and
google
maps
and
we
can
look
at
the
property
and
we
can
start
figuring
out
what
works
best
with
the
community.
F
G
The
plan
that
we're
showing
highlights
the
single
family
products
and
I'm
just
gonna
orient
it
from
left
to
right
and
left,
is
greenwich
and
right
is
the
highway.
On
the
left
side,
we
have.
G
H
The
jason
this
is
travis
with
tgc,
it
would
be
the
308
plus
roughly,
I
think,
around
roughly
200
to
maybe
250
multi-family.
G
Around
500
to
600
units
so
less
than
the
allowable
zoning
now
so
that's
the
plan,
mr
chairman,
in
on
an
overall
site
plan
basis.
If
I
could
I'd
like
to
also
just
talk
about
a
few
more
details
here
that
are
important
travis
one
of
the
things
I
asked
travis
to
do
when
he
designed
this
is
to
take
into
account
this
the
existing
conditions
of
the
property
and
I'm
amazed
at
what
he
was
able
to
put
together
in
terms
of
keeping
the
existing
conditions
as
much
the
way
they
are.
G
We
have
ponds
and
streams,
there's
wetlands
and
trees,
and
somehow
he
was
able
to
keep
this
where
we
impact
.10
acres
of
wetlands
0.10
and
that's
just
unheard
of,
and
so
we've
done
a
we've
really
put
forth
an
effort
to
keep
the
impacts
down
to
a
minimum
we've.
Also
in
the
center
area
have
a
designated
area
for
community
building
or
community
space.
G
G
This
plan
contemplates
seven
total
curb
cuts
on
shell
heart,
most
of
them
lining
up
with
the
streets
on
the
that
are
acros
that
are
across
the
street
on
shell
heart.
So
if
I
could
point
your
attention
to
street
a
street
d,
as
in
david.
H
Just
a
quick
correction
on
that
jason,
it's
street,
I
there
is
a
differential.
We
and
that's,
I
think,
that's
an
important
thing
to
note.
So
we
introduced
intersection
off
of
street,
I,
which
is
the
cul-de-sac
and
a
turning
movement.
H
G
That
back
to
just
so
that's
the
general,
mr
chairman,
that's
the
general
explanation
of
what
we're
proposing
to
build
here.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
All
right,
I
keep
one
issue
that
came
up.
We
kind
of
talked
about
this
briefly
and
our
kind
of
initial
meeting
that
we
had
just
with
the
city,
but
are
you
willing
to
talk
a
little
bit
about?
You
know
your
build
out
as
far
as
kind
of
what
you
look
at
like
proposed
price
points
and
square
footage,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
it's
our
concerns.
G
Sure
I
I
I
want
to
just
clarify-
I
am
not
a
home
builder,
I'm
a
land
developer,
so
I
will
be
bringing
in
a
professional
national
home
builder
to
build
the
homes
I
haven't
decided
who
who
yet?
But
we
will.
We
will
announce
that
in
the
next
30
days
or
so,
the
homes
that
we're
looking
at
and
proposing
are
going
to
range
somewhere
between
2
000
and
4
000
square
feet.
G
G
About
from
somewhere
between
250
and
400
000,
I
would
say,
is
a
good
range
price
range.
Okay,
it's
probably
closer
to
the
400.
I
mean
in
order
to
build
the
that
size
home
with
pricing
the
way
it
is
today
and
our
land
costs.
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
closer
to
300
to
400
000.
I
would
think,
but
again
until
my
builders
come
in,
I
just
that's
an
estimate,
a
good
estimate.
B
G
Yes,
there
will
be
all
of
the
public.
All
of
the
streets
will
be
public
improvements,
but
there
will
be
an
hoa
homeowners
association
that
will
handle
all
common
areas
and
common
space,
including
landscaping
upkeep
any
entrance
electricity.
Any
anything
that
goes
on.
That's
not
owned
by
an
individual
property
owner.
B
Okay,
a
couple
of
clarities
on
this
is
actually
this
property
right
now
I
believe
it's
zoned
a
mixed
use,
district
and
section.
I
think
it's
1287..
B
I
don't
have
enough
screens
here
to
open
this
all
up
here,
but
I
think
1287
defines
what
a
mixed
use
district
is
and
it
does
permit
five
units
per
acre,
which
is
you've
complied
with
and
there's
a
couple
other.
You
know
things
that
are
some
setbacks
and
some
things
on
side
yards
that
you
propose
that
you
know
as
far
as
right
now,
the
way
the
system
is
set
up,
it
actually
meets
the
requirements
of
the
mixed
use.
B
G
G
We've
looked
at
duplexes
we've
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
product
types
with
what's
in
the
area
and
in
the
community
right
now,
it's
single
family
and
for
for
the
visit,
certainly
the
visible
part
of
the
property.
That's
not
up
against
the
highway.
We're
gonna,
keep
it
single-family.
That's
our
that's
our
goal
and
that's
that's
what
we
think
the
market
asks
for.
B
Okay,
so-
and
we
did
have
about
probably
70
or
80
emails
from
various
residents-
and
I
I
did
read
through
those
yesterday-
I'm
sorry
I'm
getting
all
these
meetings
are
coming
up
on
my
screen
here.
I
did
read
those
all
yesterday
and
went
through
them
and
I
would
say,
there's
three
or
four
common
themes
there.
You
know
that
are
concerns.
B
B
I
know
the
planning
commission
members
received
that
and
I
believe
you
and
travis
have
received
a
copy
too
or
at
least
of
the
first
13
questions.
B
So
so
I
have
some
comments
and
questions
really
related
to
what
the
code
requires
versus
what
you're
doing.
But
I
don't
I
was
going
to
open
it
up
to
other
planning
commission
members
to
see
if
they
had
any
comments
or
questions.
F
So
ralph
I've
got
a
couple
comments.
I'd
like
to
make
one
of
them.
That
was
a
common
theme
from
many
residents,
was
the
golf
course
drive
and
what's
going
to
happen
with
golf
cars
drive
because
on
your
map,
you
don't
even
show
golf
course
drive
it's
a
private
road,
that's
part
of
the
flog
floggy
property,
but
those
residents
are
concerned
about
that,
and
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up.
G
Well
golf
course
drive
is
something
that
we
have
continued
to
talk
with
the
city
about
how
to
handle
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
did
is
separate.
G
Our
development
from
golf
course
drive
there
and,
as
you
can
see
along
that
that
that
property
line
we've
pulled
our
houses
off
of
golf
course
drive,
there
will
be
no
access
from
this
development
to
golf
course
drive
and
we're
talking
to
the
city
about
what
to
do
with
the
street
in
terms
of
how
the
street
is
handled
going
forward,
but
I
think
from
hearing
some
of
those
concerns
and
for
people
in
the
community
not
not
directly,
both
from
mr
flogg,
the
current
owner
and
others.
You
know
we.
G
F
Okay,
so
it's
still
a
discussion
point
that
needs
results
before
we.
Maybe
look
at
a
final
plot
is
what
you're
saying.
C
C
Issue,
I
think
mr
friedman
is
reluctant
to
address
how
we
discussed
part
of
the
development
agreement
will
address
this
very
issue.
Mr
friedman
will
update
the
road
as
part
of
the
project
and
the
subsequent
maintenance
will
will
be
defined
in
the
development
agreement
that
goes
before
council
once
the
preliminary
plat
has
been
accepted.
Okay,.
C
We
have
a
lot
of
what
a
lot
of
what's
coming
forward
has
to
go
to
council
and
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
you
have
they're,
really
two
items
that
are
of
a.
I
don't
even
want
to
say
of
concern
that
that
are
matters
for
planning,
commission
and
that's
one.
Mr
chairman,
you
addressed
is
the
cul-de-sac
length,
but
due
to
the
wetlands
and
other
issues
and
the
southern
end
of
that
property,
the
engineer
josh
laga
and
I
met
with
mr
travis
crane
from
tgc
and
discussed.
C
Yes,
it
is
excessive
by
I
believe
about
400
feet
and
then
there's
one
extra.
I
think
it's
200
and
219
feet
between
intersections
and
we're
at
219,
but
it
should
be
250..
So
the
really
two
things
that
we
addressed
as
a
as
the
city,
we,
we
thought
and-
and
we
encouraged
these
three
access
points,
because
we
didn't
want
all
the
traffic
at
two
access
points
and
for
public
safety
matters
having
multiple
access
points
with
multiple
with
multiple
water
connections.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
a
good
point.
I
mean.
One
of
the
comments
I
had
is
that
this
facility
will
have
city
services
so
we'll
have
you
know,
city
water,
from
barberton
and
city
sewers
from
through
barberton
and
you're
responsible,
mr
friedman,
for
putting
that
all
in
and
getting
it
to
a
connection.
Point
and
it'll
be
up
to
the
city
and
the
city
of
our
city
of
norton
to
work
through
all
the
details
on
you
know,
processing
and
and
getting
that
to
be
functional.
B
Yes,
sir,
so
I
think
mr
friedman
will
have
that.
I
mean
you're
you're,
taking
care
of
that
as
part
of
your
work
scope
to
get
it
to
the
the
processing
plant,
and
then
you
know
we'll
let
the
city
work
with
with
the
developer
on
what
other
other
connections
we
need.
F
Yeah
yeah,
I
do
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
pump
station
capacity
and
the
storm
water
flow.
The
pump
station
that's
going
to
be
used.
F
I
asked
the
other
day
if
we
could
get
confirmation
from
someone
the
city
engineer
or
someone
if
that
pump
station
required
upgrading
just
to
accommodate
this
build
out,
and
I
just
wondered
where
that
stood.
If,
if
anyone
pursued
that.
C
Mr
chairman,
we
have
a
study
from
environmental
design
group
that
designed
nashites
the
only
issue.
It's
not
with
the
pump
station.
Oddly,
the
pump
station
will
have
the
capacity
we
just
have
to
increase
pumping
time.
B
Okay,
I
guess,
on
the
mr
rolando,
has
brought
up
the
issue
of
the
storm
water
runoff
and
we're
assuming
that's
going
to
be
retention
and
detention
basins,
and
you
know
you've
got
a
kind
of
a
small
lake
there,
but
I'm
assuming
that's
going
to
go
down
underneath
greenwich
and
into
lake
dorothy.
I
assume
is
where
all
that
stormwater
runoff's
going.
H
Sure,
mr
chairman,
this
is
travis
travis
crane,
correct
the
site
is
generally
high
on
the
north,
on
the
224
I-76
side
and
flows
south
towards
greenwich
fairly
uniform
flow.
So
we
have
a
center
center
ravine
that
runs
through
the
site
and
if
you
notice
on
the
site
plan,
we
have
one
two
three,
I
think
at
least
four
five.
I
guess
five
storm
water
management
facilities
planned
yeah
this
time,
I'm
not
sure
whether
they're
going
to
be
detention
as
in
dry
or
retention
wet,
but
either
either
way
they're
going
to
hold
the
same.
B
And
ultimately,
all
that's
going
to
flow
across
granite
underneath
drainage,
I
think,
was
there
a
bridge
there
with
a
flow
underneath
it?
I
believe.
H
B
H
Yeah,
the
it's
a
little
more
complex
than
that.
It's
actually
it's
there's,
probably
say:
there's
a
pretty
significant
reduction
of
flow
rates,
post
development
to
pre
to
pre-development.
We
usually
the
methodology,
is
usually
it's
referred
to
as
a
critical
storm
methodology
where
we
do
run
through
some
calculations,
determine
what
year
post-development
event.
We
have
to
knock
down
to
the
pre-pre-development
one-year
event
example
like
this:
it
might
be
a
10-year
event,
maybe
a
25-year
event,
but
I'm
assuming
once
we
get
into
the
meats
and
bones
of
this.
H
F
What
about
I
know
you
have
all
these
exits
on
to
shellheart,
I'm
assuming
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
young
couples
that
are
going
to
be
interested
in
this
community,
which
means
children,
which
means
flow
from
this
neighborhood
to
the
schools,
and
you
know
shellheart's
a
pretty
quiet
road.
F
F
C
I'm
sorry
I
was
waiting.
We
typically
do
not
do
traffic
studies
pre-development,
because
while
I
could
do
a
traffic
study
today,
it
won't
be
indicative
of
how
the
traffic
would
flow.
C
We've
discussed,
post,
they've,
they've,
broken
phase
one
down
to
a
couple
phases.
We
discussed
doing
traffic
study
as
those
phases
go
online
to
to
see
if
there
are
other
alternatives.
For
you
know.
I
know
I
know
mr
dowling
and
I
discussed
traffic
signal,
etc.
So
those
are
things
that
we
do
more
post
construction
than
pre-construction.
F
B
Actually,
that's
a
good
point
to
follow
the
in
going
through
this.
I
think,
oh
with
mr
freeman,
I
think
you
were
talking.
You
know
the
bill,
that's
not
gonna
be
two
or
three
years.
I'm
assuming
it's
gonna
be,
you
know,
could
be
five
years
or.
G
Yeah,
I
didn't-
I
didn't
say
that
part
of
it,
which
is
probably
a
very
important
thing
to
say,
is
I'm
gonna
be
here
for
a
while,
and
this
is
gonna
take
us
some
time
to
sell
out.
I
don't
expect
this
to
sell
out
in
two
or
three
years
we're
gonna
be
here
for
five
or
six
years
and
which
means
you
know
we
care
about
the
long-term
impact
here.
So
yes,
this
is
going
to
take
us
some
time
and
I
would
say
it's
at
least
four
or
five
years
before
we're
finished.
B
So
I
think
in
that
process
this
will
give
you
some
sense
of
where
you're
going
with
you
know
traffic,
and
you
know
we
were
concerned
about
montgomery
states
and
about
some
of
the
other
ones,
and
you
know
that
we're
just
not
seeing
or
I
I
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
going
up
and
down
morning
afternoon
I
never
see
the
major
traffic
problems
other
than
the
normal
stuff
on
cleveland
road.
So
you
know,
I
think,
probably
traffic
studying
down
the
road
may
be
beneficial
to
look
at.
I
I
know
quite
a
few
of
concerns
that
were
brought
up
were
those
that
do
face.
The
golf
course
on
shell,
heart
or
even
club
view.
I
Would
there
be
any
landscaping
or
anything
that
might
ease
their
view
of
everyone's
backyards
in
the
new
development.
G
That
that's
a
that's
a
good
question
there.
There
is
we're
not
far
enough
along
to
say
that
I
can
commit
to
where
we're
putting
what
landscaping
we
haven't
even
done
a
landscape
on
that,
but
in
all
of
our
developments
there
is
landscaping
throughout
in
the
open
spaces
common
areas
and
in
the
yards,
and
so
the
answer
short
answer
would
be.
Yes,
there
will
be
landscaping.
I
It's
really
that
the
I
mean
right
now.
It
looks
like
there's
not
a
lot
of
footage
allowed
for
that
in
these
plans.
G
What
is
the
travis?
What's
the
setbacks
off
of
shell
heart,
the
general
setback
off
of
street.
H
Jason,
the
the
dash
line
off
of
greenwich
and
shellheart
that
was
kind
of
parallel
right
away.
That's
a
50-foot
setback
off
the
right-of-way.
G
H
To
add
something
to
I'm
sorry,
mr
chairman,
I
might
say
something
yes,
yeah
they're
they're
in
the
zoning
code,
there
is
no
requirement
for
that
buffer
and
that's
yeah.
Mr
freeman
was
pretty
adamant
about
a
couple
things,
as
I
was
doing
the
land
planning
here.
You
know
you
know
keeping
the
privacy
on
clubhouse
drive
minimizing
the
curb
cuts
on
shell
heart.
Those
are
two
directives
he
gave
me.
They
were
pretty
adamant.
As
an
engineer,
I
have
two
responsibilities
on
this.
I
I
land
planned
the
site
and
I'm
also
the
engineer
my
engineer.
H
Mine,
loves
efficiency.
So
I
see
the
road
I
like
to
put
houses,
you
know
so
the
first
concept
plan.
You
know
I
showed
houses
all
over
the
place
on
these
existing
roads,
and
you
know
it
was
his
opinion.
Trying
to
you
know,
be
a
good
neighbor,
and
so
it's
concept
plan
number
two.
You
know
drastically
reduced,
curb
cuts
on
both
those
roads,
and
you
know
trying
to
be
that
good
neighbor.
He
you
know
said
hey.
We
need
to
have
you
know
some
type
of
setback
around
the
perimeter,
even
though
it's
not
required.
I
A
I
H
I
One
of
the
reasons
I'm
I'm
asking
that
is
is
because
of
the
concern.
I
I
don't
think
the
neighbors
are
so
much
against.
I
You
know
this
development
or
or
developing
norton
as
a
whole,
but
that
it
just.
B
So
I
mean
you're
basically
going
to
have
50
foot
set
back
to
the
edge
of
their
yard,
and
then
their
house
has
to
be
what
25
feet
further
beyond
that
to
the
back
face
of
the
house.
So
I
think
that's
something
we'll
just
you
know
I'll
probably
make
a
recommendation
that
we
consider
you
know
some
type
of
small
mounds
or
something
just
to
give
a
break
there
as
far
as
a
view,
but
you're
right,
there's
travis.
There
is
no
code
requirement
specifically
for
that.
For
this.
B
Application,
I
probably
have
like
you've,
answered
a
lot
of
my
questions
out
on
my
original
13,
but
I
probably
have
a
couple
of
areas
in
there
that
I'll
bring
up.
But
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
any
comments
or
questions.
B
B
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
because
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
one
of
the
requirements
is
having
sidewalks.
But
the
view
that
I
have,
which
is
the
typical
detail.
That
shows
you
know
lot
sizes
and
things
I'm
not
sure
that
mine
actually
has
sidewalks
shown
on
there.
But
travis
you
thought
viewers.
Your
version
did.
H
Sure
yeah,
mr
chairman,
I
guess
the
submittal
index
is
a
way
for
us
just
to
as
engineers
attract
things.
So
we
did
make
a
submittal
back
in
in
march
and
then
I
think.
As
everybody
knows,
you
know
certain
worldwide
events
happened,
which.
H
So
we
did
that's
just
our
way
to
memorialize
our
submittals,
so
we
can
track
that
better
and
just
for
for
lack
of
better
term
accounting
purposes.
So
that's
why
that
chart's
on
there
we
do
the
same
when
we
get
into
our
really
detailed
improvement
plans.
Yeah
we'll
have
a
we'll
have
a
list
and
we'll
have
deltas
and
we're
submitting
to
your
city
engineer.
We
track
our
changes,
so
everybody
knows
what's
going
on.
H
So
that's
that's
why
that
chart's
there
to
specifically
answer
your
question
on
sidewalks
yeah:
it's
it's
our
intent
to
have
sidewalks
on
the
internal
new
roads
that
are
installed.
If
you
look
at
the
detail,
the
typical
detail
on
sheet
one
of
three
that
is
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
page,
it
kind
of
shows
the
lot
dimensions.
If
you
there's
a
there's
two
lines
that
have
kind
of
like
a
hatch
and
we'd
call
that
a
concrete
hatch
that
that
would
that's
our
intent
to
show
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
B
Yep
and
actually
you
have
like
you-
have
24
foot
of
road
width
and
then
you
have
a
60
foot
total
easement
requirement.
I
assume
is
what
that
64
would
be.
B
B
But
I
believe,
there's
a
section
in
here
that
says
you
can
put
them
on
one
side.
I
kind
of
struggle
this
because
I
grew
up
with
the
sidewalk.
So
for
me
it
doesn't
really
faze
me,
but
I
realize
that
that's
a
desirable,
you
know
feature
in
developments
and
so
we'll
have
to
decide
whether
you
know
I
think
planning
can
make
a
decision
to
do
it.
B
One
side
or
both
side,
but
council
is
going
to
probably
have
the
ultimate
decision
there
and
I
I
know
that
sidewalks
have
been
a
subject
of
conversations
in
the
past
with
with
the
council
people,
so.
G
Be
happy
to
have
that
discussion.
Really
it's
it's
about!
What
you
know
is
good
for
the
community.
I
mean
we
all.
I
grew
up
with
outside
walks.
Now
I
live
in
a
town
where
I
have
sidewalks
and
it's
wonderful,
but
but
but
but
grass,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
have
too
much
concrete
right
and
I
use
hardscape
being
driveways
and
sidewalks
and
right
so
both
sides.
I've
found,
I
have
found
in
a
community
like
this,
would
just
there's
one
more
way
to
take
away
grass.
B
B
I
think
one
of
the
other
questions
I
had,
and
maybe
it's
on
here-
I
just
don't
see
it
but
like
trevor,
I
discussed
briefly
like
minimum
radiuses
and
cul-de-sacs
for
fire
truck
access,
but
I
don't
know
that's
actually
on
this
drawing.
So
you
know
as
an
example
like
on
the
north
end,
where
your
street
eye
comes
in.
Let's
say
you
have
a
cold
stack
there.
I
didn't
know
what
the
round
part
was.
Was
that
intended
to
be
grass,
let's
say
for
the
cul-de-sac,
or
is
that.
H
Okay-
mr
mr
chairman,
like
this,
that's
a
lot
of
detailed
information.
You
know
when
we
get
into
final
plats
in
in
civil
engineering
improvement
plans.
You
know
probably
our
first.
Our
first
phase
of
the
single
family
will
probably
be
a
50
to
60
page
set
of
plans.
With
a
lot
of
details
that
the
city
engineer
will
review.
H
G
H
We
did
review
these
cities
subdivision
regs.
You
know
the
cul-de-sacs
are
designed
for
the
pavement's
50-foot
radiuses
that
that
complies
with
the
city
subdivision
regs.
I
think
the
minimum
horizontal
curvature
on
a
road
is
200
feet
and
we
do
comply
with
that.
Yeah
these
cities,
the
vertical
curve
data,
I'm
really
not
concerned.
I
think
it
can
go
from
the
minimum
of
a
0.5
percent
up
to
eight
or
ten
percent,
which
you
know.
I
have
no
concern
complying
with
that.
H
We
haven't
looked
at
this
in
the
third
dimension
yet,
but
you
know
just
knowing
the
terrain
and
having
done
this
for
18
years,
I
don't
have
a
concern
complying
with
any
of
the
vertical
geometry,
either
yeah.
I
think
it
came
up
earlier
in
the
discussion.
The
two,
the
two
items
that
we're
having
issues
complying
with
is
the
length
of
the
cul-de-sac
and
also
specifically
on
street
c,
the
southern
leg
of
street
c
on
the
plan.
That's
the
that's.
H
The
call
effect
of
parallels
shell
heart
and
also
you
have
a
intersection
spacing
requirement
that
we're
slightly
less
on
on
the
inner
intersection
of
street
c
and
street
a
is
closer
to
shellheart.
In
street,
a
than
what
is
what's
required
in
the
subdivision
regs,
but
our
rationale
on
that
is,
I
mean
the
reason
we
have
that
long
cul-de-sac
for
street
c
is
to
be
honest,
you
want
people
like
living
on
cul-de-sacs.
H
I
mean,
I
think
it's
it's
a
neighborhood
thing
so
from
to
be
honest
from
a
sales
standpoint
that
that
makes
sense.
So
I'm
let's
get
that
out
and
also
we're.
You
know
again.
I
think
I
said
it
before
you
know.
Mr
friedman
really
had
a
concern
over
shellheart
and
wanted
to
keep
that
integrity.
So
we're
really
trying
to
limit
the
number
of
curb
cuts
on
shellheart.
So
we
you
know
instead
of
introducing
another
curb
cut
on
wooddale
or
somewhere
else,
south
of
wooddale
to
comply
with
that
600
foot.
H
It
just
didn't
make
sense
to
do
that
so
that
that's
for
the
request
for
this
is
the
cul-de-sac
length.
The
request
for
the
spacing
between
that
intersection
was
really
hey.
That's
a
better
alternative
than
having
those
30
to
40
or
50
homes
actually
have
a
curb,
cut
and
say:
hey
we're
going
to
put
those
on
shell
heart.
H
B
Okay-
let's
see
here,
so
I
think
what
we'll
probably
do
in
that
area
is.
I
would
probably
I'm
kind
of
struggling
a
little
bit
with
some
of
this,
whether
we
table
this
for
some
additional
corrections
or
whether
we
approve
it
subject
to
you
know,
resolution
of
our
comments,
probably
what
I
would
do
in
one
area,
as
I
would
probably
say
that
you
know
like
these
intersections
of
cul-de-sac
should
all
comply
with
the
you
know
the
ordinances
in
the
city
of
norton.
B
I
think
I
I
did
talk
to
justin
briefly
about
the
cul-de-sac
length
being
600
feet
having
something
longer
than
that.
I
did
not
talk
to
the
police
chief
about
or
the
fire
chief
about
that,
but
it
looks
like
that's.
G
If,
mr
chairman,
if
I
may,
we
would
ask
that-
and
we
know
that
there
are
gonna,
be
there
will
be
more
final
approval
and
more
times
we
come
in
with
more
details,
and
I
would
request
that
we
would,
you
know,
approve
it
additionally
to
address
those
items
and,
of
course,
at
the
next
meeting.
If,
if
we've
been
able
to
work
through
those,
we
can
move
forward.
If
not,
we
understand
that
we
would
need
to
continue
to
to
work
through
them.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
in
most
cases
because
there
isn't
a
lot
of
deviations
in
the
past.
We've
said
we
approve
this
subject
to
resolution
of
I
I
didn't
get
any
input
back
from
the
police
chief
from
the
fire
chief
and
I
actually
talked
to
our
city
engineer
there.
Actually
he
has
not
reviewed
the
final
drawings,
yet
I
kind
of
think
they're
sitting
on
his
desk
is
what
happens
so,
mr
power.
C
I
mean
mr
slaga
had
seen,
and
we
discussed
the
submittal
prior
to
march.
There's
only
been
minor
modifications
to
it
since
the
march,
the
middle
and
mr
crane
is
aware
of
the
requirements
for
the
cul-de-sac.
We
agreed
to
extend
the
cul-de-sac
to
alleviate
one
more
curved
headline
right.
That
was
a
city.
Yes,.
B
Okay,
so
let
me
take
a
look
at
mine.
I
know
mr
model
has
to
copy
this
there.
I
see
see
if
there's
anything
else
here
that
I.
D
B
Yeah,
so
probably
the
issues
that
I
would
probably
address
in
approval
here-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
more
difficult
being
in
a
zoom
meeting
versus
being
sitting
in
you
know,
tons
of
chambers
and
doing
this,
because
we
can
kind
of
sit
down
and
write
these
all
up.
So
there's
probably
a
little
bit
of
a
technical
delay
along
the
way
here.
But
probably
the
issues
I
would
do
is
my
item
number
see
which
one
it
is
here.
B
Probably
item
eight
with
you
know,
cul-de-sac
dimensions
and
things
like
that
that
you
know
probably
an
issue
there
that
they
need
to
comply
with
code
requirements
and
then
we
can
address
that
in
a
either
a
subsequent
revision
or
the
final
plan,
and
then
the
sidewalks,
like,
I
said
the
code
says,
put
them
on
both
sides.
B
I
don't
know
what
the
planning
commission
members
feel
about
doing
it
on
one
side,
I
guess
I'd
like
some
input
on
that.
B
That
would
say
that
we
could
permit
sidewalks
on
one
side,
and
that
would
be
really
council's
action
to
decide
whether
they
want
to
agree
with
that
or
not
so.
B
The
golf
course
I
had
a
comment
about
the
golf
course
drive
and
how
the
roads
set
up
there.
I
don't
think
that
is
directly
associated
with
this
development
of
this
piece
here,
but
that
does
have
to
be
something.
That's
worked
out
between
I'm
assuming
mr
freeman
when
you
buy
this
lot.
That
road
is
within
this
plaque,
I
assume
so
we'll
just
have
to
that,
will
between
you
and
the
city
and
the
the
homeowners
to
do
something
with
you
know.
B
I
know
it's
in
their
deed
that
it
would
be
maintained
by
by
joe,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that's
separate
from
looking
at
the
development.
I
I
J
Yeah
and
we
we've-
I
know
mr
fowler
mentioned
it
before
we
raised
the
issue
of
gold
square
drives,
mr
freeman
every
time
we've
met
with
them.
So
we're
well
aware
of
the
issue.
We
have
a
plan
for
addressing
it
and
I
don't
think
it's
within
the
purview
of
planning
commission.
B
See
I
think,
just
there
are
like
your
electrical
and
phone
lines
and
everything
like
that.
That's
going
to
be
all
underground.
I
assume.
B
Okay,
these
were
some
other
ones
that
I
wrote
subsequent
to
my
room
call
last
week.
Let's
see
here.
B
And
I
this
is
something
came
up
with
a
lot
of
the
comments
and
questions,
but
I
don't
know
maybe
justin
markey
or
mr
fowler
knows
the
answer
to
this,
but
I
assume
there
are
some
tie-in
fees
for
connecting
to
soar
and
water
through
the
city
of
barberton,
and
so
you
know
the
owners
of
this-
the
property
and
selling
the
house.
You
know
when
they
hook
up
somehow
they're
paying
a
fee
to
do
that.
Connections.
That's
not
going
to
be
free.
B
C
So
they'll
still
have
to
pay
their
normal
time
fees
as
though
it
would
be
a
new
home
construction
throughout
the
city.
They
have
to
pay
water
fees
to
norton
and
barberton
and
then
subsequently
sewer
fees
to
barbecue.
C
C
B
See,
I
don't
think
I
had
any
other
questions
on
mine
that
we
haven't
probably
addressed
in
this
thing.
I
I
didn't
want
to
clear,
because
I
did
have
it
up
here,
one
of
those
previously
the
community
center
or
community
building-
and
you
know
your
possible
pool
and
everything.
That's
really
primarily
for
the
homeowners.
I
assume
that's
not
a
city
fun.
B
Okay,
okay,
I
think
I
kind
of
have
that
here.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
So
people
don't
think
that
you
know
the
city's
going
to
provide
any
facility
there,
so
it
will
be
private.
B
So
I
probably
have
two
or
three
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
at
some
point
in
time,
and
then
I
have
three
or
four
that
are
just
highlights
that
we
have
to
go
through.
I
think
I'd
like
to
actually
write
those
down
or
type
them
up.
I
have
a
you
know
a
letter
here.
B
I
have
I'm
going
to
have
to
kind
of
edit
it,
but
I'd
probably
like
to
just
highlight
those
as
a
high
level
put
the
details
in
and
then
what
we've
been
doing
with
the
other
zoo
meetings
is,
you
know,
shannon's
been
giving
me
the
the
approval,
application
and
my
attendance
record
and
I
get
there's
some
some
other
document
we
get.
B
Probably
what
I
would
do
is
based
on
what
we
decided
to
do
tonight.
I
would
if
we,
if
we
would
say
we
approve
this
subject
to
status,
free
record
resolution
of
the
falling
items.
Some
of
those
are
short-term
and
some
of
those
we're
going
to
probably
be
have
to
be
addressed
in
a
you
know,
another
preliminary,
not
a
preliminary,
but
you
know
a
phased
drawings
that
you
generate.
B
You
know
like
the
radiuses
of
the
of
the
cul-de-sacs
and
stuff
like
that,
so
whenever
you
put
that
on
so.
G
That
will
be
in
those
the
construction
drawings
that
travis
reference
to
50
pages
plus
of
the
details
will
certainly
have
to
come
in
for
review
and
be
submitted.
Ultimately,
and
then
your
final
approval
would
would
be
conditioned
upon
the
sign
off
of
the
buildings,
commissioner,
and
and
obviously
the
fire
department
and
police.
E
I
do
ralph
okay,
probably
going
a
little
to
the
left
here,
as
the
zoning
currently
is
layered
on
this
piece
of
property.
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
grounds
for
the
planning
commission
to
make
a
denial
on
the
application,
just
based
on
the
fact
that
some
of
us
don't
like
it
from
that
standpoint.
E
E
So
council
will
have
the
final
say
on
this,
even
though
I
don't
always
agree
with
her.
I
did
read
charlotte
lippy's
letter
and
I
sometimes
do
have
to
ask
myself
the
question
of.
Was
this:
what
council
thought
it
was
getting
for
what
they
voted
on?
But
that
is
a
decision
for
them.
I
think
that
the
residents
of
nash
heights
and
the
residents
of
norton
as
a
whole
are
going
to
have
to
take
a
look
at
this
project
and
say
you
know
in
the
future.
E
Are
we
going
to
want
this
kind
of
density,
or
are
we
going
to
want
to
rethink
this
and
say
we
still
want
norton
to
be
norton
and
does
council
and
everybody
else
need
to
rethink
this.
But
again,
I
think
that
the
zoning
on
the
property
is
in
place,
their
application,
fulfills
the
requirements
and
there's
no
basis
for
a
denial
by
the
planning
commission.
At
this
point,
okay.
B
Thanks
thanks
for
clarifying
that,
because
that's
something
sometimes
where,
from
our
from
the
planet
commission
standpoint,
we
have
a
limitation,
because
if
you
do
something
that
meets
the
code
requirements,
you
know
there's
there's
no
basis
for
turning
that
down.
You
know,
and
mr
friedman
and
the
you
know
the
drawings
comply
with
those
requirements
so.
E
Well,
seeing
that
the
public
hearing
aspect
of
this
occurs
at
the
council
level
and
not
at
the
planning
commission
level,
we're
going
to
hate
that
I
say
this,
but
I
I
struggle
with
this
kind
of
an
application
to
be
done
as
a
zoom
meeting,
even
if
they
have
to
use
the
auditorium
at
the
high
school.
I
I
would
struggle
with
this
kind
of
an
application
and
public
input
at
a
zoom
level
yep.
D
None
at
this
time
no,
but
I've
been
making
taking
a
lot
of
notes
and
paying
attention
as
to
what's
going
on
and
what's
being
said.
Thank
you,
though,
very
much.
Okay,.
B
Yeah,
I
think
in
some
areas
this
is
hard
to
go
through,
but
you
know
from
the
resident
standpoint
we're
kind
of
a
recommending
organization
on
this
to
make
sure
it
complies
with
the
code
and
it
will
be
up
to
council
to
take
the
final
action.
I'm
assuming
there'll
be
three.
B
You
know
three
meetings
and
they'll
vote
at
the
third
meeting
and
usually
have
a
public
hearing
at
the
at
second
meeting
that
they
have.
I
think
that's
a
meeting
of
the
hole
I
assume
but
well.
I
guess
based
on
that.
If
nobody
has
any
other
questions
or
comments,
do
we
want
to
make
a
recommendation
on
motion
on
this
application.
B
F
B
And
probably
I
guess,
maybe
for
travis's
standpoint
you're
probably
going
to
be
submitting
because
you're
going
to
do
a
phase
phase,
one
right,
you're
going
to
be
doing
50
houses,
100
houses
or
something
at
a
time.
B
I
I
assume
you're
not
going
to
put
all
the
roads
and
all
the
utilities
in
complete
from
the
beginning,
because
it
may
take
you
years
to
you
know
to
get
that
back.
So.
G
B
Detail
so
can
I
can
we
have
a
motion.
I
Can
I
just
I
just
wondered:
were
mr
freeman?
Was
he
given
the
emails
and
such
that
we
received
just
so
you're
aware
of,
like
I
said,
I
don't
believe
a
lot
of
people
are
against
it.
They
just
don't
have
all
the
information
and
what
information
you
might
need
to.
I
I
don't
know
you
know.
G
I
think
that
I
we've
been
well
informed
in
the
process,
although
I
have
not
seen
all
of
the
emails
mr
dowling,
mr
fowler,
others
and
the
mayor
have
expressed
desires
of
the
city,
which
I
assume
means
the
community
and
so
we're
hearing
it
and
as
we
go
along
and
I
I
can
promise
you
the
next
time
we
meet
we'll,
have
more
information,
because
this
preliminary
approval,
if
you
desire
to
give
tonight,
will
allow
us
to
then
put
more
effort
time,
which
means
money
into
the
development
of
the
plans.
B
Okay-
and
I
guess
on
discussion
on
that-
I
guess
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
say
subject
to
satisfactory
resolution
of
the
following
areas,
and
primarily
that
would
be
some
of
the
things
are
required
by
the
code.
So
they
may
be
addressed
in
this
preliminary
site
plan
as
a
final
result
version
or
in
the
final
site
plan.
B
But
I
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
maybe
type
those
up
to
my
email
in
the
channel
and
I'll
have
her
send
those
out
tomorrow.
But
none
of
those
are
show
stoppers
they're
just
going
to
be
clarity
on
what
the
requirements
are.
E
You
want
me
to
amend
my
motion
to
add
the
resolutions
of
questions
brought
forth
by
the
chair.
Yes,
so
motioned,
okay,.
B
B
A
F
I
B
Well,
like
I
say
what
I'll
do
I'll
try
to
write
these
up
tonight
be
home
to
shannon
in
the
morning.
Let
you
guys
take
a
look
at
him.
If
we
do
that,
then
I'll
work
with
shannon
on
getting
a
formal
approval,
application
written
up
and
signed
and
passed
on
to
council,
I.
A
B
Get
those
and
I'll
I'll
catch
up
with
everybody
get
sign
offs
on.
You
know
for
your
pay
for
your
services.
So,
okay,
I
don't
know
mr
fowler
or
bill
bremen,
whether
we
have
any
other
new
business
coming
up.
I
have
not
heard
anything
okay,
mr
fowler,
saying
no
not.
C
B
Yet,
okay
and
we
do
not
have
any
meetings
to
reboot
this
time.
A
B
So
I
guess,
based
on
that,
I
will
work
on
my
stuff
tonight
and
get
that
moved
along
and
then
we'll
get
it
sent
out
to
everybody.
And
mr.
G
B
Much
okay,
okay!
Based
on
that,
I
will
call
an
adjournment
for
the
meeting
at
7
15
and
thanks
everybody
for
the
patience.