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The regular monthly meeting of the Oklahoma City Traffic and Transportation Commission, via video conference, for August 17, 2020.
14:13 - meeting begins
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If
the
video
conference
is
disconnected
at
any
time
during
the
meeting,
the
meeting
will
be
stopped
and
reconvened
once
audio
connection
is
restored.
If
the.
If,
if
connections,
are
unable
to
be
restored
within
30
minutes,
items
remaining
for
consideration
will
be
continued
to
the
commission's
next
regular
scheduled
meeting,
which
will
be
on
21
september
1
30
p.m
via
conference.
The
agendas
for
today's
meeting
is
located
on
okc.gov.
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405-297-2531
or
email
chastity.walsh
okc.gov
speakers
will
be
allowed
five
minutes
to
comment.
I
asked
that
all
part
all
participants
except
the
commission
members
keep
their
phones
on
mute
until
they
are
recognized
to
speak.
Commissioners
will
be
allowed
to
ask
questions
or
comment
at
any
time
during
the
meeting.
K
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
call
this
meet
into
order
and
have
a
roll
call
we'll
start
with
commissioner
varnell
sure.
Okay,
commissioner
littlefield
president
commissioner
russell
here,
commissioner
hale
commissioner
hale
is
not
available.
Commissioner
line
here,
commissioner
miller
heir
commissioner
george
make
sure
george
is
not
available,
and
commissioner
cornett.
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Okay,
so
it
popped
up
and
it
showed
it
was
a
seven
all
in
favor.
Okay,
so
now
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
item
report
license
and
taxi
record
service
that
would
be
presented
in
october.
So
we'll
have
an
update
on
that.
We
do
not
have
any
items
in
the
consent.
Docket
item
4
so
moving
on
now
to
item
5
5a
scott
miller
to
consider
a
request
for
always
stock
control
at
cloverdale
way
and
northwest
80th
street
and
creststone
drive
and
northwest
80th
street
right
now.
K
L
L
Crush
on
drive,
is
the
primary
point
of
entry
and
is
a
quarter
mile
straightaway
that
lends
to
a
fast
rate
of
speed
for
those
wanting
to
access
the
northern
parts
of
the
neighborhood,
the
adjacent
crest
stone
village,
gated
community
and
those
coming
from
the
north
willing
to
access
wilshire
80th
street
is
the
center
point
of
that
quarter.
Mile
intersecting,
cloverdale
way
and
creststone
drive
and
a
stop
sign
to
implement
a
stop
control
for
the
sake
of
safety
is
an
easy
and
viable
option.
L
As
soon
as
the
petition,
80th
and
creststone
drive
is
a
primary
bus.
Stop
for
uconn
public
schools.
Future
development
will
connect
to
adjacent
neighborhoods,
giving
relief
access
to
britain
and
county
line
residents
of
the
adjacent
neighborhoods
will
be
able
to
use
crest
stone
drive
as
an
easy
access
road
to
the
turnpike.
From
wilshire.
L
L
For
all
of
us
who
inhabit
I'd
like
to
mention
that,
while
I
was
outside
last
week,
I
did
meet
and
have
a
conversation
with
shay
marnell,
my
ward
representative.
While
he
was
surveying
the
area,
we
discussed
a
few
things
about
the
neighborhood
and
kind
of
what
the
what
what
what
started
the
petition.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
a
note
for
the
commission.
K
J
J
J
J
I'm
part
of
the
the
corporation
that
developed
the
neighborhood,
consisting
of
my
family
members
of
my
sisters
and
their
husbands,
and
my
father
is
kind
of
a
silent
partner.
In
the
whole
thing
we
started
building
here
in
2015
2016.,
it
is
an
80
acre
plot
would
like
to
to
especially
emphasize
that
right
now
we're
only.
We
have
284
lots
potential
lots
in
the
neighborhood
we
are
at
25
occupancy.
We
have
71
houses
that
are
occupied
in
the
neighborhood.
J
J
Those
people
are
on
britain
road.
They
do
not
have
access
to
the
kilpatrick
turnpike
the
chance
that
they
will
come
through
creststone
ridge
to
get
to
the
wilshire
entrance
to
the
turnpike
is
quite
high.
I
believe,
in
addition,
we're
also
required
to
and
we're
doing
it
right
now
we're
putting
a
through
street
over
to
cottonwood
farm,
which
is
the
neighborhood
to
the
east
of
crestone
ridge,
cottonwood
farm
residents.
J
I,
the
problem
that
I
see
is
that
again
we're
experiencing
these
problems
at
25
occupancy.
We
have
not
opened
up
either
one
of
those
two
through
streets
and
when
all
of
this
is
combined,
I
just
see
a
very
big
problem.
Coming
along
at
the
area
that
scott
was
speaking
of,
we
have
the
entrance
to
a
villa
which
is
a
gated
street
neighborhood.
M
Right
well,
you've
got
a
complete
report
before
you
at
this
point.
In
time.
We've
got
about
424
vehicles
per
day,
entering
the
intersection
over
at
cloverdale
way
and
80th
street,
and
likewise
over
at
crestone
drive
and
80th.
There
are
about
314
vehicles
per
day
running
through
the
through
the
intersection.
You've
got
speed.
Studies
before
you,
you've
got
our
review
of
the
cities
and
the
mutcds
stop
control
criteria
just
based
on
volumes
alone.
Staff
staff
does
not
have
the
justification
to
recommend
the
use
of
always
stop
to
regulate
the
intersections.
M
There
are
residences
that
do
have
driveways
that
enter
directly
into
the
into
the
intersection
and
for
those
residents,
it'll
just
become
a
for
the
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
new
normal
when
they're
having
to
enter
when
there's
other
traffic
at
the
intersection,
because
driveways
don't
get
the
get
the
right-of-way
it'll
be
the
vehicles
that
are
stop
controlled
on
either
80th
and
either
cloverdale
or
crestone.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
I
definitely
have
a
motion
to
approve
both
of
these
both
of
these
requests
both
of
these
top
control
devices.
I
didn't
speak
up
earlier,
but
I
spent
about
45
minutes
in
this
neighborhood
watching
both
of
those
intersections
before
I
even
ran
into
mr
hill,
and
I
saw
many
cars
coming
in
and
out,
as
was
mentioned,
my
biggest
concern
is
what
the
developer
and
I
didn't
know
he
was
going
to
be
on.
A
The
call
today
said,
as
only
25
of
this
neighborhood
is
completed,
it's
going
to
increase
traffic
volume
immensely
very
quickly
because
I
saw
at
least
10
houses
going
up
that
were
being
built.
I
saw
many
kids
running
around.
I
there's
a
park
at
the
most
at
the
busiest
intersection
which
is
creststone,
that's
adjacent
to
mr
hill's
house,
and
while
him
and
I
were
out
here
talking
for
a
few
minutes,
we
actually
saw
several
cars,
including
a
corvette,
go
about
50
miles
an
hour
right
down
the
street.
A
Commission
every
single
meeting
we
have
something
just
like
this,
and
one
thing
I
always
appreciate-
and
I
heard
rob
mr
littlefield
say
this
last
meeting-
is
when
a
neighborhood
gets
together
and
gets
behind
something
like
that.
It
really
gets
my
attention
and
that's
why
I'm
wholeheartedly
improv
in
favor
of
my
motion.
K
So
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
from
commissioner
barnell,
so
we're
gonna
wait
for
that
to
pop
up
on
our
screen
here
there
it
is.
Can
I
have
a
second
on
that?
Please
there
it
is
commissioner,
russell
went
ahead
and
did
a
second
okay.
Now
that
we
have
that,
do
we
have
any
input
any
talk
from
the
traffic
commissioners,
any
other
input.
H
M
About
the
only
thing
that's
available
at
this
point
in
time
would
have
been
like
the
use
of
a
driver,
speed
feedback
sign,
but
that
that
would
be
about
it.
That
would
be
at
this
point
in
time.
That'd
be
a
cost
that'd
be
borne
by
the
neighborhood.
Those
things
are
running
around
four
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
L
And
so
while
I
was
out
petitioning
the
the
raisin,
the
residents
within
the
300
foot
radiuses,
and
I
really
spoke
to
everyone
on
80th
street,
because
it
would
impact
them
in
a
material
way.
I
I
explained
to
them.
You
know
there.
There
are
a
few
options
out
there
that
are
not
a
stop,
stop
sign,
but
most
of
them
are
going.
L
How
has
the
stop
sign
helped
with
your
initiative
to
implement
a
better
speed,
control
and
a
said?
It's
helped
tremendously,
which
which
gave
me
a
lot
of
confidence
in
the
petition
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
today,
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that,
in
that
kind
of
the
scope
of
discussing
those
speed
humps
as
well.
H
That's
excellent,
and
I
appreciate
that,
if
I
could
make
a
suggestion-
and
I
it's
a
you're-
probably
gonna-
have
to
do
a
little
bit
of
work
on
this,
but
the
the
two
streets
that
you
spoke
about
that
have
not
been
developed.
Yet
that
will
be
the
concern
there
is
cut
through
traffic
from
the
future
neighborhoods
to
the
north.
H
Yeah
is
it.
I
would
encourage
some
some
conversation
with
the
traffic
management
division
when,
when
those
are
planned
to
incorporate
something
in
those
those
streets
that
are
traffic
coming
measures
like
a
mini
roundabout,
perhaps
or
you
know
the
possibility
of
curving
the
streets,
those
sorts
of
things
have
the
effect
that
you're
looking
for
where
you
would
need
a
stop
sign
and
could
really
benefit
you.
So
I
I
encourage
you
to
to
look
into
that
as
the
development
of
those
those
neighborhoods
to
the
north
are.
L
J
Yes,
this
is
joe
roberts
again,
the
neighborhood
to
the
both
the
neighborhood
to
the
north
and
the
neighborhood
to
the
the
neighborhood
to
the
east
is
completed
so
creststone
or
cottonwood
farm,
which
is
the
neighborhood
to
the
east.
It's
it's
already
completed
the
neighborhood
to
the
north.
I
assume
that
they
are
planted
because
they
have
they're
doing
the
the
road
work
and
putting
in
the
utilities.
H
Okay,
I'm
aware
that
the
planning
commission
has
a
consciousness
about
traffic,
calming
issues
and
new.
You
know
traffic
coming
measures
being
incorporated
into
new
developments,
so
perhaps
there's
something
already
there,
but
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
that
keep
neighborhoods
from
having
to
come
back
to
the
traffic
commission
to
solve
these
things,
you
know
when
they
can
be
solved
when
they're
developed
or
addressed
when
they're
developed
it's
more
or
less.
Just
a
comment
from
me.
I
have
no
problem
with
these.
Stop
signs
at
all.
K
F
C
K
Okay,
we
go
on
now
time,
consideration,
commission
all
right
thanks
a
lot
guys:
5b
brad
s,
wright
partner,
I'll
court
llc
to
consider
a
request
to
one
remove
a
mid-block
pedestrian
crossing
on
west
britain,
road
located
approximately
90
feet,
east
of
the
east,
curb
line
of
north
clausen
boulevard
and
two
established
a
reserve
parking
for
the
physically
disabled
on
the
north
side
of
west
britain,
road
from
approximately
60
feet,
east
to
85,
feet
east
of
the
east,
curb
line
of
north
clawson
boulevard,
and
I
see
that
brad
rice
is
available
to
talk.
Brad.
K
G
Sure
my
name
is
brad
rice.
My
address
is
1109
river
chase
drive
edmond
oklahoma
73025.
Thank
you
and
I
am
a
property
owner
right
across
the
street
from
what's
showing
on
the
screen.
I'm
not
sure
I
understood
the
the
the
dimensions
you
just
read.
Maybe
I
wasn't
listening
as
I
was
reading
the
note
back,
but
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
commission
and
also
for
mr
chai's
group
to
do
a
lot
of
research
on
this.
G
Basically,
what
what
we're
requesting
is,
if
you've
been
down
britton
road
in
a
while,
it's
obviously
a
very
busy
street,
there's
a
lot
of
real
estate
development
and
redevelopment
going
on
from
western
down
to
where
we
are
a
little
bit.
Further
variety
care
has
been
built
directly
across
the
street
from
us
to
the
west
two
blocks.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
businesses
that
have
been
or
shuttered
buildings
have
been
brought
back
to
life.
G
Some
of
them
are
still
waiting
for
tenants,
we're
working
on
the
old
al
court,
which
was
built
in
the
30s.
I
had
to
tear
a
few
of
the
buildings
down,
but
we
tried
to
save
everything
we
could
and
and
beautify
that
so
we're
close
to
having
tenants
anyway,
we've
already
had
our
parking
approved
on
our
side
of
the
street,
so
this
is
strictly
a
request
for
for
the
britain
district.
When
I
say
on
our
side
of
the
street,
you
know
on
our
property,
not
on
the
street
itself.
G
We
have
ours
approved
from
the
planning
group,
but
so
what
we've
thought
is
what
will
help
this
district
now
and
especially
going
forward
as
businesses
continue
to
grow
route.
66
centennial
comes
up
in
a
couple
years,
which
the
state's
pushing
and
travel
is
to
have
a
parking
lane
on
the
north
side
of
britain.
Road
only
we've
already
gone
through
mr
chai's
department
and
realized
angle
parking
would
not
be
a
good
extension
here.
G
So
in
our
request,
we
were
trying
to
do
as
far
as
to
the
west
as
possible
as
close
to
that
fire
hydrant.
There
is
no
crosswalk
right
there
crossing
britain
at
classen
going
from
the
south
to
the
north,
so
I
think
the
major
matter
was
how
close
it
could
be
the
intersection
and
how
close
it
could
be,
the
fire
hydrant.
So
our
thought
was
to
put
that
ada
spot
as
close
to
those
as
possible
in
the
photo
here.
G
It
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
further
to
the
east
than
what
I
intended,
but
I
think,
there's
still
a
a
ramp
issue
or
a
a
slope
issue
on
the
green.
So
I
had
some
other
suggestions,
but
I
think
I'll,
let
my
time
stop
for
the
moment,
and
maybe
we
can
present
those
depending
on
what
you
all
feel
as
questions.
M
All
right,
you've
got
our
comments
before
you
on
the
first
page
of
the
report.
You'll
see
that
there's
the
basic
traffic
data.
One
thing
I
want
to
kind
of
highlight
for
you
is
under
the
traffic
volume.
This
particular
section
of
britain
road
carries
just
over
fourteen
thousand
five
hundred
vehicles
per
day,
so
it
is
a
relatively
busy
section.
The
posted
speed
limit
on
britain
road
once
you
get
west
of
chartell
is
25
miles
an
hour.
M
E
M
Removal
of
the
mid-block
pedestrian
crossing
is
something
that
staff
would
recommend
it
used
to
serve
an
elementary
school
and
that
school
is
no
longer
present.
Harrison
elementary
used
to
be
located.
The
same
location
where
the
variety
care
health
center
is
right
now,
where
they've
got
the
handrail
for
that
sidewalk,
which
is
which
was
placed
because
that
sidewalk
is
considerably
higher
than
the
curb
it
would
make
the
the
use
of
that
particular
mid-block
crossing.
M
M
So
that's
why
the
recommended
location
for
the
ada
space
is
where
it
is.
The
only
thing
that's
unfortunate
about
that
is
the
the
way
that
the
slope
was
built
up
when
the
variety
care
health
center
was
developed.
It's
it
the
finished
floor
of
that
building
sits
considerably
higher
than
the
curb
elevation
does
so
at
this
point
in
time
we
just
don't
have
any
rec.
M
We
just
don't
have
cause
to
recommend
approval
of
the
of
the
ada
space
and
it's
simply
because
the
the
lay
of
the
land
just
does
not
support
it,
and
it
would
also
push
the
push
that
ada
space
far
enough
away
from
the
intersection,
the
person
that,
if
they
were,
you
know
trying
to
get
from
the
parking
space
to
a
wheelchair
ramp.
They
would
be
in
the
road
for
a
considerable
distance
other
than
that.
K
M
Well,
typically,
in
the
downtown
area,
if
there's
enough
room
the
the
current
city's
parking
standard
for
it
for
a
space
like
that,
provides
like
about
a
five
foot
aisle
around
the
around
the
passenger
side
of
the
vehicle,
and
that's
so
someone
who's
departing
a
vehicle
like
that,
especially
through
a
van,
if
they're,
using
like
a
wheelchair,
assist
or
any
sort
of
a
ramp
that
gives
them
the
ability
to
get
down
to
at
least
street
level
before
they,
you
know
start
making
their
way
towards
the
nearest
wheelchair
ramp.
And
this
in
this
particular
location.
M
There's
just
not
the
place
to
even
do
something
like
that.
The
only
place
if
you
were,
if
you
needed
that
space
for
accessibility
purposes,
you'd
be
constrained
to
exit
from
the
driver's
side
of
the
vehicle
and
on
most
like
vanity
vans
that
are
so
equipped.
They
almost
always
enter
and
exit
on
the
passenger
side.
K
M
K
M
No,
let's
see
for
this
for
the
city
to
establish
a
a
parking
lane
on
britain
road
that
would
be
considered
part
of
like
a
city
program
and
all
city
programs
have
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
americans
with
disabilities
act
and
for
parking
areas
having
up
to
25
parking
spaces.
You
have
to
provide
at
least
one
accessible.
One
of
those
spaces
has
to
be
an
ada
accessible
space,
so
you
can't
build
the
spaces
without
being
compliant
with
ada
requirements.
M
G
So
yeah
I
mean
basically
in
our
request.
We
want
to
we'd
love
to
include
an
ada
space
by
the
way
we're
we're
required
to
have
one
across
the
street
at
the
owl
court.
So
we
will
have
an
ada
space
on
the
south
side
of
the
street.
Just
a
couple
of
ideas
here
when
I
first
submitted
this
this
revision,
as
opposed
to
angle,
my
thought
was:
do
something
similar
to
linwood
boulevard.
My
understanding
is
they're
not
compared
apples
to
apples.
G
As
far
as
this
being
an
arterial
street
versus
whatever
west
linwood
is
just
west
of
western
and
class,
and
where
there
is
a
parking
lane
with
no
ada,
which
I
think
kind
of
refers
to
to
the
question
you
just
asked,
could
it
be?
Could
it
be
done
without
an
ada
the
other?
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
It
has
been
done
elsewhere
in
the
city,
but
it's
a
different
street
classification.
G
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out-
and
I
don't
know
because
we're
not
trying
to
have
the
sidewalk
altered,
obviously
for
some
reason,
this
elevation
for
variety
care
is
a
foot
or
two
higher
than
anywhere
else
on
class
on
britain
road.
If
you
drive
up
and
down
east
and
west,
this
is
elevated,
just
like
it
was
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago,
it's
higher,
so
it
makes
it
unfortunate.
G
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
I
have
and
this
may
be.
It
have
to
be
a
continuance,
but
if,
if
the
one-way
street
for
classen
it
turns
to
the
north
there
if
we
can
go
to
maybe
the
page
18.,
if
you
don't
mind,
so
if
you
look
at
the
fire
hydrant
to
the
left
of
this,
where
it
mentions
wheelchair
ramp
to
the
left
of
that
that's
going
north
on
classen.
G
G
I
know
that'll
take
some
another
field
trip,
because
google
maps
shows
the
pre-construction,
so
it
doesn't
really
show
where
that's
done,
but
that's
one
idea
to
throw
out
here
I
mean
I
think,
you'll
find
that
we're
going
to
try
to
be
as
flexible
as
possible
on
our
request
and
certainly
in
respect
for
physically
disabled
as
part
of
what
we
want
to
have
for
the
britain
district
as
a
whole.
We
don't
want
to
stop
things,
but
if
we
can
kind
of
find
where
we
can
put
it
somewhere
else,
that
would
be
great
too.
G
G
Obviously,
mr
chai's
group
would
have
better
knowledge
of
street
wits
and
what
could
potentially
work
so
I'll
defer
that
to
the
staff,
but
as
far
as
yeah,
that's
exactly
what
I
was
saying
is
that
is
that
even
a
possibility,
yeah,
unfortunately,
that
ariel
there
you'll
see
pre-construction,
so
it
really
doesn't
show.
What's
there
now
on
on
page
14.,.
M
G
G
You
all
able
to
see
this
photo.
This
is
a
picture
I
took
from
my
car,
that
is
from
the
intersection
looking
to
the
north.
The
variety
cares
on
the
right
side.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
reversing
for
you,
but
you
know:
rowdy
care
should
be
on
the
right
side
of
the
picture
if
it
might
be
left
if
it's
reversed,
but
basically
you'll
see
how
they've
put
a
sidewalk
in
there
right
up
to
the
curb.
G
I
think
that
would
make
sense.
I
mean
we're
not
under
a
time
crunch
by
any
means.
This
is
a
long-term
britain
district
which
it
is
now
a
district
kind
of
request
so,
rather
than
starting
all
over.
I
think
that
would
make
sense
if
everyone
involving
the
staff
and
the
committee
here
is
an
agreement
that
might
make
sense
that
we
don't
have
to
start
all
over
and
have
the
money
spend
its
time
and
I'm
sorry.
The
city
spends
time
and
efforts
to
start
all
over
as
well.
K
P
G
No,
we
have
not,
but
this
is
on
streets,
so
you
know
they
have
a
very
large
parking
lot.
If
anything,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
look
out
for
variety
care
and
not
have
people
park
in
their
private
lot,
and
then
them
have
to
manage
people
getting
towed
same
thing
that
we're
going
to
have
to
do
on
our
side
of
the
street.
We
don't
want
to
we're
hoping
to
alleviate
that.
G
This
has
really
good
bones.
Britton
road
has
really
good
bones
to
with
infrastructure,
there's
more
infrastructure
and
traffic
patterns
and
being
close
to
nichols
hills
and
and
the
village
now
with
their
with
their
road
scaping
down
to
the
west.
This
has
an
opportunity
over
the
next
decade
or
so
to
really
take
off
similar
to
the
plaza
district,
because
there
are
so
many
buildings
there
and
there's
already
parking
in
place,
which
the
plaza
did
not
have
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
curve
here.
H
G
G
M
Well,
we
would
need
a
like
a
revised
request
letter
for
the
record
from
you
on
the
on
the
change
and,
as
commissioner
russell
had
mentioned,
you
might
want
to
visit
with
the
the
people
over
at
the
variety
variety
care
health
center
see.
You
know
just
to
discuss
what
it
is:
you're
contemplating
changing
on
classen
boulevard.
K
G
C
K
C
Mr
chairman,
I
have
a
kind
of
a
comment.
Please,
okay,
good
answer:
it's
for
the
staff,
stuart!
Are
you
okay,
with
the
parking
there
and
the
way
the
traditions
are
going
to
have
to
walk
down
the
side
of
the
street
to
get
past
the
the
access
the
sidewalk
I
mean?
Are
you?
Are
you
as
a
traffic
engineer?
Are
you
okay,
with.
M
G
G
K
M
Then
I
suppose
could
withdraw
the
second
part
and
make
a
new
application
for
this
for
the
for
the
parking
and
then
we
could
take
it.
We
can
take
that
approach
and
then,
as
soon
as
the
applicant's
got
got
a
new
request
in
and
we've
had
enough
time
to
work
work
it
up,
then
it
could
come
back
and
it
wouldn't
be
subject
to
the
six-month
pause.
What.
G
H
H
I
think
what
we're
hearing
is,
if
you
request
to
withdraw
it,
then
your
then
you
could
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
before
six
months
are
up
with
a
new
application.
If
we
were
to
deny
it,
then
you
would
have
to
wait
six
months
before
you
could
reapply
and
it's
just
sort
of
foggy
in
my
head
to
just
pick
out
of
the
sky
30-day
90-day
60-day
deferral.
I
suppose
at
the
time
of
that
that,
when
that
time
is
up,
we
could
ask
for
a
further
deferral.
I'm
just
trying
to
make
this
simple
yeah.
G
K
K
F
C
G
K
R
Bj
hawkins
with
traffic
engineering
consultants,
six
thousand
southwestern,
suite
300,
oklahoma
city,
oklahoma,
73139,
hello,
commissioners,
on
behalf
of
our
client,
seafred
industrial
properties,
we
respectfully
request
the
approval
for
the
installation
of
a
traffic
signal
at
the
intersection
of
portland
avenue
and
southwest
74th
street.
The
client
is
proposing
to
pay
for
the
design
installation
of
the
traffic
signal.
R
R
The
west
leg
of
the
intersection
is
not
anticipated
to
be
included
in
the
signalization,
but
could
easily
be
modified
to
be
occluded
in
the
future.
If
needed,
traffic
study
traffic
impact
analysis
was
conducted
on
the
development
just
to
the
south
under
the
2025
design
traffic
scenario.
The
critical
approach
at
this
intersection
would
expect
it
to
operate
at
a
level
service
f.
R
During
the
pm
peak
hour,
the
traffic
volumes
are
expected
to
increase
in
the
future
as
the
traffic
or
as
lariat
landing
continues
to
develop
and
a
traffic
signal
warrant
was
conducted
and
the
intersection
did
satisfy
the
peak
hour
vehicular
volume
warrant.
So
we
request
the
approval
for
the
installation
of
a
traffic.
C
H
C
K
S
S
No
problem,
yeah
and
again
I
I
would
second
what
bj
is
saying
just
from
the
from
the
developer's
side
as
well
as
I
know
mark
he
was
trying
to
call
on,
but
just
with
communication
with
him
and
the
airport
as
well.
I
think
they
second
the
opinion,
as
well
just
for
a
safety
standpoint
with
what
would
be
18,
wheelers,
making
left
turns
to
to
access
that
site,
just
as
a
as
a
safety
precaution
as
we
think
it's
a
good
idea.
S
K
M
All
right
you've
got
our
comments
before
you
when
we'd
reviewed
this
item.
The
only
thing
of
particular
concern
to
us
was
that
that
leftover
west
approach
on
southwest
74th
street,
because
if
it
is,
if
it's
closed
or
gated,
we,
the
city
itself,
doesn't
really
have
a
means
of
knowing
whether
or
not
people
are
going
to
try
and
access
the
intersection
through
that
approach.
M
And
for
that
reason,
when
you
look
at
our
recommendations,
we
we
say
that,
should
the
traffic
and
transportation
commission
approve
the
request
for
the
installation
of
a
traffic
signal
at
this
intersection,
staff
is
recommending
approval,
subject
to
signalized
control
on
all
approaches
entering
the
intersection
or
the
removal
or
relocation
of
the
west
approach.
So
it's
outside
the
limits
of
the
signalized
controlled
intersection.
R
K
P
K
P
K
F
C
K
Okay,
we
go
on
now
to
item
5d
again
it's
b.j
hawkins
p-e-p-t-o-e,
to
consider
requests
for
installation
of
a
traffic
signal
on
south
portland
avenue,
approximately
one
half
mile
south
of
the
south
of
southwest
74th
street
at
a
proposed
driveway
and
mr
hawkins.
Would
you
like
to
talk
on
this
one
and
don't
forget
to
give
me
your
address
and
you
have
up
to
five
minutes.
R
Our
client
is
proposing
to
pay
for
the
design
and
the
installation
of
the
traffic
signal,
as
well
as
all
necessary
roadway
improvements.
A
traffic
impact
analysis
was
conducted
on
the
development
here
shown
at
the
project
location.
It
is
just
over
one
million
square
foot
non-sort
fulfillment
center.
R
R
The
north
drive
is
located
approximately
half
mile
between
89th
street
and
74th
street,
making
an
ideal
intersection
two
for
signalization
with
spacing
there
is.
It
is
anticipated
that
there
are
a
future
development
to
the
north
of
this
project
be
constructed
at
some
point
and
there
is
a
mutual
access
agreement
where
that
development
will
have
access
to
this
development
drive
and
the
future
signal,
if
approved,
as
well
as
development
to
the
east
of
portland,
where
the
interstate
or
the
signal
is
being
designed
to
anticipate
a
future
driveway.
R
So
between
those
two
there's
anticipation
of
a
lot
more
traffic
being
generated
and
traveling
through
this
specific
intersection
mark
cronenberg,
the
director
of
oklahoma
city
airport
department
and
the
airport,
trust
are
in
full
agreement
of
the
installation
of
this
traffic
signal.
I
believe
mark
might
be
on
the
phone
on
the
call
to
discuss,
if
needed,
other
than
that.
I
think
that's
about
it.
We
just
request
the
approval
for
this
traffic
signal
all
right.
One
more
thing.
R
The
based
on
all
the
analysis
and
everything
the
development
would
be
anticipated
to
satisfy
the
peak
hour
warrants
during
the
peak
season
traffic.
The
normal
traffic
is
we,
we
gotta
generated
volumes
from
the
developer
of
what's
anticipated
and
it
fell
just
short
of
that,
but
the
peak
season
would
be
able
to
satisfy
that
peak
hour.
Vehicular
volume
warrant
as
well,
then
that's
without
the
addition
of
any
development
to
the
north
or
to
the
east,
which
should
be
in
the
near
future.
M
Okay,
you've
got
our
comments
before
you
on
this
particular
matter.
The
applicants
indicated
that
they
would
be
responsible
for
the
preparation
of
the
public
improvement
construction
documents
and
for
bearing
the
construction
costs.
So
action
on
this
particular
item
will
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission.
P
K
K
F
K
Call
hide
to
consider
a
request
for
a
no
parking
anytime
restriction
on
the
east
side
of
north
quapaw
avenue
from
northwest
22nd
street
to
north
northwest
23rd
street,
and
I
see
carl
that
you're
up
here.
Carl.
Are
you
there?
Yes,
I
am
hi,
sir.
Let
me
have
your
name
address
and
you
have
up
to
five
minutes:
okay,.
T
These
apartments
have
been
shut
down
for
the
past
couple
years
now
and
they're
re-working
them,
and
it's
been
nice
and
quiet
over
here,
as
we
must
say
with.
I
even
have
my
president
of
the
association
that
lives
over
in
this
area
and
we're
all
reaping
the
benefits
while
they're
shut
down,
but
since
they're
rebuilding
them
there's
going
to
be
traffic
along
this
quapaw
street
again
and
they
was
allowed
to
park
on
their
side
at
one
time.
Well,
since
they
were
working
a
little,
you
know
that
they
were
because
we
had
them
shut
down.
T
M
Okay,
you've
got
our
traffic
comments
before
you,
as
noted
in
in
his
letter,
mr
hyde
notes
that
the
intended
purpose
of
this
request
is
to
preserve
access
condition,
conditions
for
area
residents.
He
did
cite
past
experience
with
access
issues
on
kwapa
avenue
related
to
on-street
parking
associated
with
the
apartment
complex,
as
he
noted,
which
are
currently
close
and
being
renovated.
So
the
intent
of
this
request
is
for
is
to
prevent
the
recurrence
of
roadway
congestion
conditions
in
advance
of
the
apartment's
reopening.
M
The
applicant
has
provided
a
petition
meeting
the
commission's
policy
demonstrating
support
for
the
request,
so,
if
approved,
this
request
will
ultimately
restrict
parking
on
both
sides
of
qua
paw
avenue
between
northwest
22nd
and
23rd
streets.
So
action
on
this
item
will
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission
on
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
E
U
T
No,
it
is
not
that
wide.
It
looks
wide
in
the
picture,
but
you
go
park
in
any
cars
industry.
It
leaves
only
one
lane
to
go
through
and
if
you've
got
people
coming
off
the
23rd
when
it's
busy
and
they
have
work
on
the
intersection
of
23rd
and
portland
it,
it
puts
a
burden
on
our
neighbors
for
safety
and
we've
had
emergency
vehicles
had
to
look
through
our
area,
and
it
would
be
very
hard
for
them
to
make
this
a
safe
area
to
be
driving
through
again.
V
U
T
U
T
K
K
V
K
Okay
and
now
we're
ready
to
move
on
over
to
the
next
item
item:
five
f:
timothy,
timothy,
w
johnson
p
e
johnson
associates
inc
to
consider
a
request
for
a
full-time
passenger
loading
zone
on
the
west
side
of
north
walnut
avenue
from
approximately
60
feet
north
to
160
feet
north
of
the
north
curb
line
of
northeast
13th
street.
Mr
johnson,
are
you
there.
K
O
Yes,
sir
tim
johnson
with
johnson
associates
one
east
sheridan
avenue,
suite
200,
oklahoma
city
oklahoma,
we're
here
representing
the
applicant
of
the
wall
court
and
the
owner
of
the
wall
court,
building,
it's
being
redeveloped,
it's
a
historic
building
being
redeveloped
to
allow
for
multiple
uses.
It's
been
rezoned
it's
under
construction
and
we're
asking
to
allow
this.
O
O
This
old
platted
right
away
is
80
feet
wide
so
and,
as
the
staff
report
says,
we're
asking
for
a
full-time
use
of
this,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
people
parking
there.
The
public
parking
there
at
times
that
we're
open
and
with
that
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
It's
pretty
straightforward.
I
we
did
submit
a
an
exhibit
and
I
can
show
that
if,
if
it's
not
in
your
packet.
M
K
H
I
I
used
to
back
when
I
could
ride
a
bicycle
and
we're
talking
decades
and
decades
ago,
I
used
to
go,
buy
this
building
and
I
I'd
sit
with
my
friends
and
stare
at
that
building
and
the
condition
that
it
was
in
and
abandon,
and
I
kind
of
always
dreamed
and
thought
gosh
what
a
wonderful
structure
and
I'm
so
glad
to
see
your
your
client
doing
this
to
this
building.
It's
wonderful,
just
really,
truly
great
building
gladius
happening.
O
H
K
F
C
N
There's
elderly
individuals
areas
are
being
blocked
matter
of
fact.
There
are
times
where
the
trash
cans
can't
even
be
picked
up
by
the
city,
so
the
trash
is
left
there.
So
when
we
started
construction,
it
was
extremely
hard
to
even
get
any
of
the
construction
trucks
in
there
to
even
do
the
work
they
had
to
go
around.
So
we
just
want
to
prohibit
that.
What's
going
on
right
across
directly
across
the
street
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
is
ou
parking
lot.
N
K
M
All
right,
you've
got
our
comments
before
you,
as
noted.
Miss
mcmurray,
miss
mcmurray
notes
that
the
purpose
of
the
parking
restriction
is
to
improve
access
conditions
for
the
neighborhood
by
limiting
parking.
Their
petition
demonstrates
that
they've
got
sufficient
support
to
meet
the
commission's
requirements.
M
M
I
might
want
to
note
that
the
area
traffic
control
map-
that's
up
on
that's
on
display,
for
you
does
show
there's
quite
a
few
parking
restrictions
are
already
in
place
in
the
neighborhood
to
address.
I
would
presume
to
be
nuisance
sparking
you
will
notice
that
on
the
left
side
of
that
screen,
there
is
a
label
with
white
lettering
that
says
limits
of
capital,
medical
center
improvement
and
zoning
district
and
within
the
limits
of
the
of
that
particular
district
state
law,
establishes
that
it's
the
university
of
oklahoma
that
controls
all
parking
within
that
particular
boundary.
K
U
K
K
C
E
C
K
V
Yeah,
my
name
is
michael
brock.
My
address
is
8309
northwest
146th
street
oklahoma
city
73142,
and
I
think
we
we've
appeared
nick
appeared
before
you
all
on
this
matter
at
a
previous
meeting,
and
I
believe
the
conclusion
was
to
do
a
traffic
study
and
then
go
from
there.
Additionally,
I
think
we
were
supposed
to.
V
Since
the
previous
meeting
a
car
lost
control
and
hit
a
mailbox
and
also
totaled
the
car.
We
also
had
an
additional
wreck
where
somebody
lost
control
in
the
it
would
these
both
have
one
in
the
air
section
and
the
car
ran
up
into
a
yard
nearby
right
there
at
the
corner.
You
know
if,
if
there
are
stop
signs
there,
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
was
portrayed
can
conveyed
from
stewart.
V
Some
of
the
emails
where
you
know
stop
signs
are
not
the
end,
all
be
all,
but
you
know
in
my
experience
and
everybody
I've
driven
with
you
know,
99
of
time,
people
stop
at
a
stop
sign.
So,
even
if
you
know
even
if
the
stop
sign
gets
put
in
and
it
doesn't
it's
going
to
predominantly
work,
if
you
come
up,
you
can't
see
it
very
well
in
those
pictures,
but
where
that
stop
sign
is
located.
Is
that
kind
of
the
crest
of
a
hill
coming
from
both
ways?
V
V
So
yeah,
you
can
kind
of
see
it
from
there.
It's
not
really
it's
not
exactly
a
great
turn.
I
I
don't
really
like
how
they
designed
the
street
itself.
So,
basically
you
know
we
are
just
heavily
in
favor
of
getting
stop
signs
put
in.
We
we
think
that's
one
of
the
really
only
remedies
of
the
situation,
so
I'm
more
than
willing
to
answer
any
questions.
You
all
have
or
listen
to
any
comments,
so
I'll
yield
back.
K
W
W
I
I
just
disagree
that
adding
a
three-way
stop
here
will
do
anything
to
alleviate
that
problem.
In
my
opinion,
the
the
hoa
and
the
school
district
should
should
coordinate
to
just
relocate
that
that
bus
stop
to
a
safer
location.
They
have,
they
have
put
it
here
in
the
busiest
intersection
in
the
in
the
neighborhood.
W
So
I
think
that
there's
another
that
that
to
me,
in
my
opinion,
that's
the
the
best
alternate
solution
to
relieve
the
the
safety
concerns
there
with
the
with
the
bus
stop.
But
but
back
to
some
of
the
other
points
there
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
the
traffic
study
that
was
done,
the
maximum
speed
that
was
that
was
recorded
during
that
traffic
study.
It
was
32
and
in
while
that
traffic
study
was
done.
I
don't
believe
there
have
been
any
accidents
reported
prior
to
that
to
the
june
meeting.
W
V
W
Thank
you,
commissioner.
You
know
there
was
an
alternate
solution
presented
in
nick's
original
request
to
to
post
no
parking
signs
along
the
the
roads.
At
this
intersection
I
mean,
I
think
that
would
help
because
what's
happening
is
prior
to
the
the
bus
stopping
in
this
area.
You've
got
10
to
12
vehicles,
with
parents
waiting
on
the
children
parking
on
both
sides
of
both
streets
right
at
the
intersection
and
that's
what's
creating
the
congestion.
W
This
is
a
a
standard,
26
foot
wide
road
and
you've
got
cars
parking
on
both
sides,
basically
creating
a
one-lane
road.
I
just
think
that
that's
what's
creating
most
of
the
safety
concerns,
so
I
well,
I
don't
think
I
think
no
parking
signs
would
help.
I,
I
honestly
believe,
moving
the
bus
stop
to
another
location.
W
K
V
V
I
live
on
that
146,
so
I
turned
left
there
all
the
time
and
then
turn
right
and
it
is
you
know,
there's
some
a
lot
of
times
where
I've
had
to
kind
of
stop
and
and
let
somebody
go
because
not
everybody's,
you
know
obviously
paying
attention
or
you
know,
driving
with
courtesy.
So
I
just
think
I
always
stop.
There
would
would
greatly
benefit
the
neighborhood.
That
intersection
is
more
than
likely
going
to
be
based
on
our
pre.
V
We
had
a
hoa
meeting
a
week
ago
or
so
and
we
are
going
to
be
building
a
clubhouse
there
potentially
having
some
basketball
basketball
goal
there
and
maybe
an
additional
you
know
playgrounds
clean
set
deal.
I
don't
know
if
that's
definitely
going
to
go
in,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
clubhouse
there
at
some
point
in
the
near
future,
and
so
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
traffic
there,
a
lot
more
kids,
a
lot
more
kids.
V
V
As
a
hoa
and
a
neighborhood,
I
know
we
couldn't
survey,
we
had
could
only
do
people
within
300
feet
of
that
particular
intersection,
but
there
were
additional
neighbors
within
the
neighborhood
that
are
for
a
stop
sign
going
in
there.
So
I
don't
have
anything
else
I'll,
be
able
to
be
happy
to
answer
questions
or
listen
to
comments.
W
I
just
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
personally
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
one
stop
sign
at
146th
street.
It's
currently
a
yield
sign.
Many
drivers,
don't
know
what
a
yield
sign
means.
So
I
would,
I
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
putting
a
single
stop
sign
there
at
146
and
letting
traffic
flow
through
through
stone,
manor
the
stone
manor
drive
curve.
There.
K
K
M
It
doesn't
have
the
volumes
or
collision
history
to
justify
putting
one
in,
and
it
was
for
those
reasons
that
we
just
didn't
have
cause
to
recommend
the
use
of
always
stop
control
for
this
particular
intersection.
So
action
will
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
K
U
I
do
want
to
bring
up
a
couple
of
points.
First,
the
bus
stop
being
moved
was
brought
up
in
the
last
meeting
and
they
had
already
approached
the
school
district.
I
believe,
and
we're
told
that
that
was
not
possible
and
so
to
answer
bob's
comment
about
moving
that.
I
I
think
that
has
already
been
addressed
and
that
wasn't
up
for.
W
I
I
if
I
can
address
that,
it's
my
understanding
that
the
request
was
to
add
a
second
bus,
stop
in
the
neighborhood
which
that
was
denied,
but
I
don't
believe
they
have
been
michael
can
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
don't
believe
they've
approached
the
school
bus
or
I'm
sorry,
the
school
district
to
just
simply
move
the
bus
stop
along
the
same
route
that
it's
currently
on
that.
That's
what
I'm
recommending
it's!
It's
not
adding
any
time.
U
Sure
yeah
we,
as
far
as
I
know
that
wasn't
the
conversation
and
the
conversation
was
that
it
was
asked
to
move
that
one
and
that
could
just
be
a
miscommunication
in
our
last
meeting.
The
second
was
that
this
was
to
be
delayed,
so
we
could
get
the
second
traffic
study
in
the
area.
A
speed
study
stuart.
What
I
didn't
see
one
in
the
packet
is
there.
Was
there
a
second
one
done
in
the
neighborhood.
U
F
M
Okay,
well,
what,
as
far
as
doing
a
warrant
analysis
goes,
stop
signs
are
not
used
as
speed
control
devices.
So
there's
not
really
a
a
criteria
associated
with
an
85th,
well,
a
prevailing
speed
on
a
road
as
being
a
deciding
factor
as
to
whether
you
do
or
you
do
not
use
stop
control.
In
a
situation
like
that.
H
It
just
it.
It
seems
to
me
that
this
neighborhood,
this
homeowners
association,
is
really
well
put
together
and
you
all
you
are
considering:
building
a
clubhouse
and
and
adding
some
other
aesthetics
to
your
neighborhood.
It's
absolutely
wonderful.
I
love
to
see
neighborhoods
that
are
united
and
and
work
together
and
have
the
funds
to
do
things.
H
What
I
would
prefer
would
be
for
you
to
work
with
with
the
traffic
management
division
and
look
at
the
traffic
coming
measures
that
could
be
available
to
your
neighborhood
and
and
implement
something
like
that
before
putting
in
a
stop
sign
which,
over
and
over
and
over
again
has
been
proven.
They
are
not
designed
to
slow
traffic,
they
are
designed
to
manage
traffic,
and
the
other
comment
that
I
wanted
to
make
is:
is
school,
oklahoma,
city,
school
buses
when
they
stop
to
pick
up
children
or
drop
children
off,
they
are
stop
signs.
H
U
Can
I
get
more
information
on
the
asap
program
because
I
the
only
one
that
I
have
seen
and
I
believe
it's?
The
final
version
only
has
one
option,
and
that
is
the
the
flashing
like
speed
sign,
that's
available
to
it,
and
so
is.
Are
there
other?
I
think,
mr
littlefield,
I
hear
you
mention
the
asap
program
pretty
much
every
time
that
we
kind
of
come
up
against
this.
H
We
need
to
sit
down
and
visit
with
with
stewart
one
day,
I'm
there.
There
are
things
that
can
be
done
administratively,
there's
a
painting
on
streets,
planting
trees,
the
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood
can
there's
a
list
of
things
that
the
neighborhood
can
do
to
change
the
condition
along
the
sides
of
the
roads,
with
trees,
etc.
H
U
Okay
and
that's
what
I
just
wanted
to
verify,
but
I
feel
like
the
the
asap
program
that
I
have
seen
only
has
one
option
and
it
doesn't
have
other
things,
but
I
also
heard
mr
brock
say
that
stewart
didn't
give
him
options,
and
so
is
there
more?
Is
there
more
information
about
that
as
to
why
those
options
weren't
provided
if
stop
signs,
aren't
necessary
for
this,
mr
brock
or
stuart,
would
you
like
to
kind
of
weigh
in
on
really
if
there's
not
a
stop,
stop
sign
option
that
is
recommended,
then
why
other
options
weren't
provided.
M
It's
about
with
respect
to
intersection
control.
You
have
very
few
options:
you've
got,
you
could
have
no
control
on
a
low
volume
intersection,
you
could
use
yield
control
or
you
could
use
any
form
of
stop
control,
whether
you're
stopping
them
the
higher
volume,
road,
the
side
street
or
using
all
way
stop,
but
as
far
as
other
options
beyond
those
from
a
regulatory
traffic
control
standpoint.
M
It's
a
or
a
reminder
of
the
regulatory
speed
limit,
so
it'd
say
something
like
25
miles
per
hour
and
then
we're
also
looking
at
the
use
of
speed
cushions
as
a
tr
as
a
as
a
measure
to
incorporate
into
the
program.
But
those
don't
exist
just
yet
so
in
the
so
when
they
were,
if
you're
talking
about
exploring
other
options.
The
only
thing
that
we
currently
have
available
are
yield
yield
signs,
stop
signs
or
there's
or
there
is
always
the
do
nothing
option.
H
It
would
take,
it
would
take
more
than
a
visit
that
we
could
accomplish
here
to
share
with
you
what
that
what
the
subcommittee
on
the
traffic
coming
program
came
up
with.
It's
there's
lots
and
lots
of
things
that
we
can
share
with
you
and
I'd
be
happy
to
to
meet
with
you
or
visit
with
you
in
some
fashion
and
share
with
you
what
the
subcommittee
accomplished.
H
K
F
C
V
K
X
Okay,
thank
you
tony
carfang,
2324
northwest
26th
street
and
oklahoma
city,
ward,
2..
So
just
two
sort
of
questions
about
some
ideas
going
forward.
First,
with
regard
to
okc
code
32-66
with
regard
to
crosswalk
signal
indicators
and
timing,
there's
a
bit
of
a
challenge
in
that
a
number
of
intersections
around
the
city
begin
the
flashing
against
walking
with
25
seconds
and
sometimes
more,
and
so
I
was
curious,
given
that
it
is
illegal
to
begin
crossing
when
that
starts.
X
What's
the
the
typical
policy
in
terms
of
setting
those
timings
and
and
what
would
be
a
good
way
to
investigate
or
update
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
I'm
certainly
somewhat
challenged
by
the
idea
that
that
enforcement
could
potentially
be
applied
in
a
biased
way
or
beyond
that.
The
psychological
impact
of
having
all
these
signals
that
say,
you're
not
allowed
to
walk
all
the
time.
M
K
Q
K
X
Yeah,
so
at
intersections
with
pedestrian
crossings,
there's
the
walk
or
don't
walk
and
as
the
law
stands,
if
it
starts.
If
the
countdown
starts
for
don't
walk
and
you
haven't
already
begun
crossing
the
intersection,
then
it
is
illegal
to
begin
crossing
and
a
number
of
intersections
have
a
very
large
countdown
times
of
25
30
seconds.
M
Well,
it's
certainly
not
illegal
to
enter
in
to
start
crossing
when
the
when
the
countdown
timer
has
started
showing,
because
that's
just
showing
you
the
amount
of
time
that
you've
got
before
the
light,
will
change
yellow
in
the
basically
in
the
same
direction.
The
traffic
is
moving
where
the
pedestrians
are
moving.
M
So
no,
it's
certainly
not
illegal
and
there's
two
styles
of
signal
heads
out
there
there's
like
the
countdown
style
of
signal
head,
which
gives
you
an
indication
of
how
much
crossing
time
is
left
and
then
there's
the
there's,
the
older
style,
which
is
the
walk
and
the
don't
walk.
But
I
mean
it's
certainly
not
illegal
to
enter
an
intersection
when
it's
flashing
don't
walk.
X
Okay,
I
appreciate
your
your
clarification
there,
based
on
ordinance
32-66.
My
reading
is
that
it
is
illegal
to
begin
crossing
when
that
countdown
starts
so
I'll
have
to
follow
up
with
public
safety
on
their
interpretation
of
it
and
see
if
there
needs
to
be
a
clarification.
I
know
I
have
seen
case
law
where
a
pedestrian
was
hit
in
the
crosswalk,
but
because
the
countdown
was
going,
the
pedestrian
was
found
at
fault,
and
so
that's
that's
the
sort
of
the
scenario
I'm
worried
about.
X
My
my
second
question
there's
an
intersection
at
classen
and
western
and
16th
northwest
16th,
where
a
cyclist
was
killed
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
for
northbound
classen.
There
is
essentially
a
slip
lane
to
continue
north
onto
western,
but
there's
no
business
at
17th.
The
only
business
at
18th
is
homeland,
which
has
access
at
18th
and
at
classton.
So
I
have
this
idea
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
help
drivers
to
be
able
to
go
down
that
way.
X
But
if
we
could
take
away
that
slip
lane,
then
pedestrian
and
bicycle
access
from
the
plaza
district
to
midtown
or
to
mesa
park
could
be
enhanced
pretty
significantly.
And
so
I
was
wondering
what
would
be
the
path
forward
to
discuss
that
potential
idea.
Would
that
be
through
the
traffic
commission
or
through
the
planning
department?.
K
H
K
U
P
To
commissioner
russell
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
I've
I
recently
purchased
some
drive
like
your
children
lives
here
signs
because
we
have
a
street
that
my
street
I
sit
on
a
corner
and
traffic
is
pretty
quick
down
here.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
help
or
not,
but
it's
and
I
got
smaller
ones
than
I
wanted,
but
that's
what
I'm
playing
with
is
a
traffic
calming
measure
in
my
neighborhood
so
and
I've
had
a
couple.
Other
neighbors
request
them
from
me.
P
So
I
think
that
might
be
something
we
start
pushing
out
through
our
neighborhood
association
and
just
it
brings
awareness
to
red
and
white
and
just
gets
people's
attention
and
at
least
makes
them
cognizant.
I
think
it's
probably
gonna
be
as
good
as
a
a
flashing
number.
You
know
I
don't
know
anyway.
This
is
something
we're
doing
in
our
neighborhood.