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A
A
Well,
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
Oklahoma
City
Planning
Commission.
We
are
we're
glad
you're
all
here
to
join
us
today
in
a
very
crowded
for
a
very
crowded
meeting,
just
a
few
housekeeping
items
before
we
begin
number
one
if
you're
interested.
If
you
are
not
an
applicant,
but
instead
would
like
to
speak
on
any
of
the
items
on
our
agenda
today.
We
would
just
ask
that
you
please
fill
out.
One
of
these
forms,
I
believe
they're
available
outside
I.
A
Believe
Sarah
also
has
some
of
these
forms,
but,
as
you
can
see,
there
are
a
number
of
items
here
today
that
people
are
wishing
to
be
heard
on,
so
we're
going
to
very
strictly
enforce
the
requirement
that
you
must
have
signed
up
to
speak
in
order
for
you
to
come
to
the
microphone
and
speak
today.
A
I'd
also
ask
that,
if
you're
here
with
a
large
group
of
people,
speaking
on
the
same
item
that
you
you
coordinate
and
and
try
to
get
a
representative
or
two
to
speak
on
behalf
of
all
the
issues
facing
your
neighborhood
and
I,
just
remind
everyone
that
we
reserve
the
right
to
limit
any
comments
that
are
repetitious.
So
once
you've
told
us
about
an
issue
once
once
your
neighbors
talked
about
it.
Once
we've
heard
you
and
so
we're
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
the
what
the
other
issues
are.
A
The
most
important
thing
today
as
I
know
that
we're
dealing
with
some
some
controversial
and
and
obviously
very
personal
things.
We
understand
that
these
issues
today
are
about
people's
homes
and
there's
nothing
more
personal
than
than
your
home
and
your
property,
and
we
fully
understand
that.
But
I
would
ask
that
you
please
be
respectful
of
each
other.
Please
be
respectful
of
this
process
and
understand
that
the
golden
rule
is
in
full
effect
here,
treating
everyone
as
you
would
like
to
be
treated
and
respected.
A
C
D
A
There
we
go
all
right:
it
took
mine
a
while
to
load,
it
was
moved
by
commissioner
Claire
and
seconded
by
commissioner
Hinkle.
Please
cast
your
votes
when
available.
E
A
F
A
Okay,
and
the
reminder
is
that
the
the
motion
is
to
receive
the
minutes
from
the
previous
meeting
that
motion's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
govine.
Commissioner
Claire,
how
do
you
vote
yay
commissioner
powers,
commissioner
Fraley
commissioner
privet
yeah,
commissioner
Hinkle
yeah,
commissioner
govine,
commissioner
Noble
aye,
commissioner
laforge
I
also
vote
I.
The
motion
passes
we're
now
in
line
for
continuance
requests
and
we'll
begin
with
uncontested
continuance
requests.
A
H
A
I
think
they're
still
yeah,
so
we'll
just
move
forward
with
The
Voice
vote.
Commissioner
Claire
yay
commissioner
powers,
commissioner
Fraley
yay,
commissioner
private
yay,
commissioner
Hinkle
commissioner
govine
commissioner
Noble
aye,
commissioner
Forge
I
also
vote
I.
The
motion
passes
we're
now
in
line
for
new
continuance
requests.
A
A
A
A
J
A
K
I
wrote
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
the
what
you
have
is
a
preliminary
plot.
That's
in
conformance
with
the
recently
approved
PUD.
We
agree
with
items
Tes
one
and
two.
We
would
ask
for
a
te
for
a
variance
to
T3.
This
is
a
rural
area
in
nature.
The
lots
to
the
West
consist
of
five
acres.
10
acres,
there's
one
large
one
larger
lot.
That's
a
28
acre
track
to
the
West
I
believe,
which
I
believe
is
one
of
the
the
people
that
protested.
K
This
particular
PUD
and
I
would
presume
that
they
do
not
want
us
to
connect
to
that.
So,
based
on
that,
I
would
ask
for
a
variance
to
te3.
We
have
any
answering
questions
any.
L
Commissioner,
privet
I
do
not
have
any
questions
with
the
nature
of
the
PD
I.
Think
it's
you
know
appropriate
for
the
area.
So,
if
anybody's
got
a
dropped.
L
Yeah
variance
in
this
instance,
yeah
I,
think
it
makes
sense.
This
is
not
a
typical
subdivision.
I
would
think
you
know
large,
acre
lots
and
yeah.
A
Okay,
then
we're
ready
to
receive
speakers
and
I'll
remind
you
before
you
come
to
the
microphone
that
when
please
give
us
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
you'll.
Have
five
minutes
to
address
the
commission
I
believe
either.
A
Commissioner
Claire
or
our
planning
director
will
be
reminding
you
when
you
have
one
minute
left
in
in
speaking,
I,
don't
know
which
one
of
you's
got
the
stopwatch,
but
one
of
you
does
but,
and
so
we
just
ask
that
out
of
respect
for
for
our
community,
you
just
honor
the
the
time
limit
for
your
speaking
I
do
have
one
person
sign
up,
James,
urgent,
bright
and
I
apologize
if
I
did
not
pronounce
your
name
correctly.
Please
come
to
the
microphone
and
give
us
your
name
and
address
and
tell
us
you're
you're
concerns.
M
Thank
you,
I'm
James,
ergenbright
I
live
just
Northeast
of
that
right
across
the
street.
From
that
property.
I
served
as
a
safety
engineer
for
20
years
in
Oklahoma
City.
My
last
years
were
at
Tinker
Air
Force
Base
as
a
safety
engineer
for
Tinker.
That's
why
I'm
bringing
forth
my
concerns
as
this
being
a
single
entry
into
the
neighborhood
into
on
this
street.
One
way
in
one
way
out,
there's
concerns
that
we
have
my
wife
and
I
have
talked
about
them
right
now.
The
road
conditions
on
those
roads
have
deteriorated
considerable
due
to
the
construction.
M
That's
going
on
down
the
street,
there's
four
neighborhoods
in
that
area,
as
well
as
individual
homeowners.
So
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
concerns
of
is
a
road
access
plan
for
the
traffic
being
one
way
in
one
way
out
when
all
this
construction
starts
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
heavy
traffic,
heavy
equipment,
graders
delivery,
cement,
semis,
roofers,
bricks,
concrete
trucks,
all
those
types
of
components,
normal
construction,
but
it's
going
to
interfere
with
all
the
traffic
that's
up
and
down
there.
We
have
a
number
of
new
homes
going
in.
M
So
we
have
a
lot
of
new
people
coming
in
and
with
the
roads
being
broken
up,
as
they
are.
One
of
the
things
that
my
wife
and
I
are
really
considered
are
we
concerned
about
is
water
retention
and
water
runoff
plan?
Is
this
plan
set
up
and
is
it
going
to
be
adequate
with
some
of
the
heavier
rains
we've
had
over
the
years,
water
retention
and
runoff's
a
big
factor
and
then
putting
these
homes
in
there?
M
One
of
the
things
that
we're
directly
concerned
about
is
the
water
table
level
once
you
start
putting
new
homes
in
out
there,
and
you
start
putting
water
wells
in
all
of
a
sudden
that
impacts
the
water
table
for
our
water
well,
as
well
as
the
other
people
in
these
neighborhoods.
This
is
on
the
top
of
the
hill
in
that
area,
and
so
from
this
area
start
sloping
down.
The
land
does,
and
so
that's
some
pretty
significant
concerns,
because
the
water's-
not
it's
not
as
high
as
you,
you
start
going
on
down
the
hill.
M
So
it's
going
to
be
a
direct
Factor
and
then
the
other
areas.
The
direct
way
to
get
into
this
area
is
either
from
Choctaw
Road
or
from
Anders
Anderson
Road,
and
you
have
240
and
I-40,
so
the
limitations
of
getting
traffic
in
and
out
of
there
is
quite
a
bit
Army,
quite
a
bit
impacted.
Let
me
put
that
way
so
out
of
this
with
the
four
neighborhoods:
that's
our
concern
of
the
increased
traffic
and
the
water
table
being
affected
and
the
water
runoff
being
affected,
or
is
that
factor
going
to
be
taken
care
of?
A
You
and
I'll
I,
perhaps
Barry
I,
don't
know
if
you'd
want
to
address
the
drainage
review
and
the
review
that
will
occur
regarding
all
of
the
things
that
he
mentioned.
Actually.
N
Run
off
from
the
site
and
site
detention
as
far
as
the
water
table,
that
gets
a
little
bit
outside
of
my
area
of
expertise
on
what
the
oils
will
do
for
that,
but
the
as
far
as
the
the
drainage
and
retention,
we
will
review
that
through
Public
Works
in
accordance
with
the
ordinances
that
will
be
at
our
guideline.
What
does
the
ordinance
require
to
my
knowledge
out
in
this
area?
It
does
not
fall
within
our
detention
required
area,
and
so
we
would
not
be
requiring
them
to
put
in
any
on-site.
N
Stormwater
detention
I
think
the
as
I
look
at
the
Contours
and
I'm
not
just
intimately
a
familiar
with
all
of
it,
but
it
looks
like
the
water.
It
runs
in
several
different
directions,
and
so
I
don't
see
that
that
there's
a
single
point
of
discharge,
that's
going
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
surrounding
properties.
Will
they
get
additional
runoff?
There
will
be
some,
but
these
are
large
Lots
as
well,
so
the
lock
coverage
percentage
will
be
relatively
small,
but
but
again
emphasize
I.
Think
the
main
thing
is.
A
And
there
will
be
a
final
plot,
so
we
will
get
to
see
some
of
the
product
of
any
changes
that
may
occur
as
a
result
of
the
review
that
happens
between
now
and
that
process.
So
I
would
definitely
that
does
not
get
noticed
right.
The
final
plan,
it
doesn't
get
re-noticed,
so
you
should
get
something
some
information
about
that
to
come
back
and
see
where
we,
where
we
are
with
that
process
as
well.
Mr.
I
Lodge,
could
you
explain
at
what
and
in
what
manner
persons
in
the
public
are
are
permitted
to
participate
in
that
review.
N
So
the
we're
at
the
preliminary
plant
stage
now
that
will
be
approved
by
this
commission
when
the
applicant
submits
their
final
platform
review.
They
are
also
required
at
that
time
to
submit
all
of
their
construction
plans
with
that
and
that's
when
we
will
do
the
review
for
the
drainage,
any
impacts
that
that
might
have
we'll
review
their
Paving
storm
sewer
plans
that
go
with
the
development.
N
As
far
as
the
public
participating
in
the
review.
We
typically
don't
do
that,
but
they
are
allowed
to
call
and
we'll
talk
with
anybody
about
any
questions
that
they
have
and
then,
as
a
matter
of
of
course,
any
of
the
documents
that
are
submitted
to
the
city
are
available
to
the
public
through
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act.
Also,
so
they
can
request
that,
through
an
open
records
request
through
the
city
clerk's
office
to
have
so
they
can
look
at
the
point
funds.
At
the
same
time,.
N
The
the
notice
will
go
out
and
Jared
can
correct
me
if
or
Jeff
can,
if
I
misstate.
This
I
think
the
notice
goes
out
has
to
go
out
a
minimum
of
three
weeks
prior
to
the
meeting
am
I
getting
that
right,
so
the
they
turn
the
plans
in.
We
will
be
in
the
process
of
that
review
as
a
general
rule
as
we're
reviewing
the
plans
we'll
go
through
I'd,
say,
usually
a
couple
of
check
prints
on
that
each
one
of
those
checkpoints
in
our
office
right
now
has
taken
about
four
weeks.
I
N
A
Other
questions
from
questions
comments
from
Commissioners
yeah
Mr.
O
K
That
was
Mark
Grubbs
sure
that
was
retained
as
agriculture
in
the
Pud.
P
K
K
K
O
Q
A
So
you're
saying
there's
always
since
there's
already:
the
intention
is
for
that
to
remain
just
yeah
agricultural,
so
it's
incompatible.
I.
Think,
though,
knowing
an
area
like
this
I
I
tend
to
support,
even
though
you
know
I'm
a
strong
supporter
of
the
connectivity
just
generally
between
neighborhoods,
given
the
nature
of
this
I
think
it
seems
appropriate
for
us
to
Grant
the
variants.
I,
don't
know
any
other
thoughts
from
Commissioners
on
that,
apparently.
A
Staff
have
any
comment
on
that
before
we
vote
on
the
variants.
No
okay,
then
I
think
we're
just
ready
for
a
motion.
Commissioner.
L
I
will
move
to
approve
variance
to
section
5.3.1,
Point
D
0.5.
A
The
motion
is
to
Grant
the
variance
to
section
5.3.1,
Point
D
point
five
of
the
subdivision
regulations.
Is
there
a
second?
It's
like
there
is
okay,
we
might
be
up
and
working
all
right.
The
second
been
seconded
by
commissioner
powers.
Please
cast
your
votes
unavailable
and
the
motion
passes
excellent
commissioner
Privet.
A
A
Yay
and
the
motion
passes
I'll
say
it
before
we
get
to
item
four,
just
a
friendly
reminder
as
we're
continuing
to
get
new
guests
that
if
you're
wishing
to
address
the
commission
you'll
need
one
of
these
forms
to
request
to
sign
up
to
speak,
and
so
you
can
visit
with
Sarah
right
here
in
the
front.
If
you'd
like
to
address
the
commission,
we're
ready
for
item
four.
G
R
Good
afternoon
Commissioners
Caitlin
Turner
522
call
Court
Drive
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
This
application
corresponds
with
a
spud
that
was
improved
in
December
for
multi-family,
so
the
application
before
you
will
just
allow
them
to
begin
construction
on
that,
it's
to
close
a
small
portion
of
an
Alleyway
on
the
site.
There's
no
connectivity.
Excuse
me
to
Kentucky
Avenue
there
on
the
East.
So
no
public
use
it.
So
there's
not
going
to
be
any
connectivity
issues,
no
connectivity
will
be
lost,
there
are
no
Tes.
A
F
For
the
most
part,
a
clerical
issue
of
needing
to
clean
up
their
jutting
into
the
property
for
a
prior
approved
Spud,
so
I
have
no
concerns
with
it.
If
there's,
if
anyone
else
has
any
questions
or
I,
don't
believe,
there's
anyone
here
to
speak.
Is
there
no.
F
That
case
I
Mr,
chairman
and
I,
moved
to
approve
ce1092.
A
R
Again,
Caitlin
Turner
522
call
Court
Drive.
This
is
an
application
for
a
special
permit
for
David
Stanley
dealership,
it's
right
off
of
I-240
Service
Road,
it's
adjacent
budding
the
another
car
dealership
to
the
west
and
then
there's
some
commercial
and
Retail
there's
also
some
Auto
Sales
to
the
south
of
I-240
Service
Road.
There
is
an
entrance
to
the
north,
which
will
not
be
utilized
and
it
will
be
gated.
We
can
certainly
there
are
no
tees
now.
R
L
Sorry,
a
little
discombobulated
coming
back
yeah
the
waving
my
signed
up
to
speak.
We.
A
A
I
think
we're
okay
with
it.
If
the
applicant's
okay
with
it.
L
Right
I'll
move
to
approve
SP
571.,
adding.
A
The
te
add
energy
to
you
to
require
the
gate
to
the
north.
The
motion
is
to
approve
of
of
SP
571,
it's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
Hinkle.
Please
cast
your
votes
available.
S
Good
afternoon,
Joanna
mcspadden
with
the
city's
finance
department
I'm
back
again
with
another
project
plan
Amendment
this
time
for
downtown.
This
is
the
project
plan
document
the
the
screen
that
was
just
up.
You
guys
have
two
copies
of
that
in
your
packet.
The
first
one
is
going
to
be
the
red
line,
and
then
the
second
one
is
a
complete
and
final
version
of
what
that
project
plan
would
look
like
once
it's
adopted.
S
What
I
want
to
walk
through
today
are
three
maps
that
will
illustrate
kind
of
the
bulk
of
the
changes
that
we're
making
if
you
can
switch
over
to
the
map.
So
this
first
map,
the
orange
outline,
shows
you
exactly
what
the
footprint
of
Tiff
2
is
right
now
and
then
oh,
go
back
real,
quick,
the
aqua
color
on
the
kind
of
along
the
eastern
boundary
we're
looking
to
pull
out
to
for
a
future
inclusion
in
The
Innovation
District.
So
you
would.
S
You
would
hear
an
amendment
to
that
at
a
later
date,
because
today
we're
just
talking
about
the
downtown.
So
the
proposed
change
right
now
is
just
to
remove
that
from
Tiff
2
for
future
inclusion
and
Tiff.
In
Tiff,
11
or
The
Innovation
project
plan,
the
other
two
changes
are
you'll,
see
the
green
pieces
kind
of
on
the
southern
portion.
The
the
one
that's
kind
of
shaped
like
an
L
is
the
U-Haul
parking
lot
to
kind
of
Orient
yourself.
We
have
the
ballpark
and
the
parking
lot
east
of
the
ballpark.
S
The
only
reason
the
ballpark
is
included
is
because,
if
we
do
some,
if
there
is
development
on
that
parking
lot,
there's
a
portion
of
the
ballpark
parcel
that
would
allow
for
some
structured
parking
and
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
include
that
to
perhaps
incentivize
it
if
we
needed
to
at
a
later
date.
The
last
change
is
really
tiny.
It's
very
hard
to
see
it's
yellow
and
it's
kind
of
in
the
center
Southern
portion.
S
Those
are
the
two
buildings
that
flank
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
First
National,
and
so
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
pull
all
of
these
properties
out
of
Tiff
2,
to
give
you
kind
of
an
idea
of
what
the
magnitude
of
that
is,
those
properties
account
for
about
two
percent
of
tax
collections
in
Tiff
too.
So
it's
a
it's
a
it's.
A
minor
portion
of
what
tip
2
is
today
and
really
the
idea
is.
These
are
properties
that
have
kind
of
been
left
behind
tip
two
is
expiring,
with
texture
2026,
which
will
still
happen.
S
There's
no
proposal
to
extend
that
if
any
kind,
these
would
be
new
tips
that
would
be
perhaps
pulled
out
for
future
development
and
allow
us
to
have
a
full
25
years
to
to
perhaps
incentivize
development
on
those
Parcels.
The
next
two
maps
will
give
you
a
closer
look
at
the
two
pieces
that
would
remain
in
the
downtown
project
plan,
so
we
would
have
what
we
are
calling
Tiff
C,
which
would
be
numbered
later
on
when
we're
ready
to
kind
of
start
the
clock
on
that
these.
S
S
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
anybody
has
any
the
next
steps
just
to
give
you
kind
of
an
idea.
So
we
went
to
we've
been
to
Tech
the
Tiff
Review
Committee,
which
is
the
other
taxing
jurisdictions.
They
have
recommended
approval
and
then
the
next
step
after
this
phase
would
be
City
Council.
A
Thank
you
Jared.
Would
you
mind
going
to
the
first
map
that
was
shown
so
just
so
I'm
clear,
the
aqua
colored,
a
portion
of
the
map
is
going
to
be
included
in
the
Innovation
districts.
A
The
remaining
colored
areas
are
going
to
be
removed
from
this
Tiff
and
then
a
new
Tiff
request
will
occur
and
at
that
time
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
review
and
vote
on
that.
So
at
this
point,
what
we're
doing
is
just
removing
those
items.
We
are
not
increasing
the
scope
of
the
existing
Tiff.
H
T
U
A
I
When
we
get
around
to
the
innovation,
I
would
love
for
staff
to
come
and
make
a
presentation
to
the
Capital
Medical.
They.
A
P
P
P
it
uses
a
carve
out
mechanism,
which
is
entirely
inappropriate.
An
interesting
comment
in
the
article.
We
have
no
intentions
of
doing
anything
with
the
ballpark
10
to
15
years
ago,
when
I
was
a
state
representative
I
met
with
Mr
Bob
Funk.
He
wanted
to
purchase
the
parking
lot
10
questions.
Today
we
were
told
he
couldn't
do
that
because
it
was
in
a
tiff.
P
P
Still
that's
a
mess
as
I'm
sure
you
ought
to
know.
The
news
article
goes
on
to
say
the
proposed
development
south
of
Reno
and
a
development
deal
that
led
to
a
construction
of
the
Omni.
Hotel's
prohibits
the
city
from
using
tax,
increment
financing
and
other
nearby
hotels
makes
you
wonder
if
the
current
process
is
a
devious
way
around
that
agreement.
P
One
of
the
beneficiaries
of
the
Tiff
said
it's
a
moon
shot.
If
we
can
pull
this
off
it'll
be
fantastic.
Of
course.
The
people
benefiting
from
the
200
million
200
million
dollars
of
taxpayer
money
would
think
it's
fantastic
title.
62
the
state
statutes
855c
reads
prior
to
approval
by
a
governing
body.
The
Review
Committee
shall
consider
and
determine
whether
the
post
proposed
plan
and
project
will
have
the
financial
impact.
P
We
have
an
impact
statement
that
doesn't
talk
anything
about
the
financial
impact.
It
says
no
specific,
measurable
demand
for
increased
services,
not
one
word
about
a
financial
impact
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
prescribed
in
the
statutes.
The
fiscal
impact
analysis
from
February
15th
meeting
completely
ignores
Financial
impact.
The
statute
requires
an
economic
impact
study.
The
report
doesn't
begin
to
meet
those
requirements.
P
The
schools
will
be
reimbursed
for
the
loss
of
tax
revenue
by
who
the
Oklahoma
taxpayers
to
the
tune
of
70
percent
70
million
dollars
for
every
100
million
dollars
granted.
However,
the
counties
will
not
be
reimbursed.
The
counties
will
be
losing
the
revenue
12
percent
12
million
dollars
for
every
100
million.
Since
1994
the
county
has
lost
39
million
dollars
in
revenue
from
these
nefarious
schemes.
P
Three
questions
have
been
asked
by
the
oak
to
the
Oklahoma
attorney
general
regarding
Tif
districts.
Probably
the
most
relevant
is
the
one
that
I
asked
when
I
was
a
sitting
representative
I
submitted
in
2009.
It
was
a
rather
peculiar
answer
because
it
was
combined
with
another
legislator's
request
and
the
answer
didn't
answer
my
question,
but.
P
The
local
development
Tax
Act
allows
for
a
tax,
increment,
Finance
District
to
be
amended.
It
doesn't
say
it
can
be
carved
out,
that's
nowhere
in
the
statutes,
but
that's
what
this
body
is
being
asked
to
do.
Carve
it
out
you've
already
been
collecting
for
22
years.
Let's
carve
it
out
and
give
them
another
26.,
patently
absurd.
P
Nowhere
in
the
statutes
or
the
AG
opinions
or
Supreme
Court
decisions
are
carve
outs
sanctioned.
For
this
reason,
I
urge
you
to
reject
today's
application
and
ask
the
Oklahoma
attorney
general
and
to
I
urge
you
to
ask
the
Oklahoma
attorney
general
for
a
new
opinion
on
this
and
send
it
back
to
the
Review
Committee,
which
has
done
a
very
poor
job
in
their
duty
to
review.
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Does
anyone.
O
Do
commission
thanks
thanks
for
that?
You
said
it
was
going
to
be
brief,
but
it
was
thorough
and
I
appreciate
it.
It
was
good
appreciate
reminding
me
you
were
a
representative
now
I
kind
of
understood.
You
made
a
comment
that
this
is
held
for
a
special
interest.
O
I,
don't
know
who
that
is
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
up
here
does
I'm
not
sure
your
approach,
my
question
is
going
to
be
for
our
chair,
the
staff.
If
this
goes
to
city
council
I'm,
assuming
it
does
I
think
I
saw
that
right.
D
O
Goes
to
the
city
council,
as
opposed
to
this
commission,
so
I
get
that
we
need
to
vote
and
maybe
we
need
to
hold
it
up
or
not.
But
this
goes
to
the
city
council,
their
elected
officials.
You
can
appreciate
that
you
were
elected
I
felt
like
everything
you
said
there
was
in
their
purview
and
you
need
to
contact
them
in
advance
of
the
city,
council
and
everything
you
just
said
seems
like
you
need
to
take
that
up
to
the
city
council
Mr
chair.
O
If
we
need
to
pause
before
the
moving
this
on
to
them,
I'd
entertain
that
but
well
I
read
the
record.
I
had
in
front
of
me
and
I
didn't
see
anything
about
holding
things
for
special
interests
or
anything
else.
You
said
so
I
refer
you
to
I.
Don't
usually
do
that,
but
I
refer
you
to
speak
with
the
elected
official
city
councilman
before
it
gets
to
them.
I.
A
Mean
we're
fully
within
our
rights
to
review
the
process
as
as
Mr
Reynolds
outlined.
My
comment
on
that
would
be:
we've
reviewed,
tiffs
countless
times
while
I've
been
on
this
commission.
The
process
we're
following
today
is
consistent
with
any
of
those
amendments
before
I'd.
Certainly
welcome
any
comment
from
the
municipal
counselor's
office.
I
mean
commissioner
Ford.
You
and
I
are
both
attorneys
I.
A
Don't
think
we're
prepared
to
answer
thoroughly
whether
what's
been
presented
to
us
as
Commissioners
is
legally
sufficient,
so
I'm
going
to
rely
on
the
municipal
counselor's
office
to
tell
us
whether
that's
true
or
not,.
U
Good
afternoon
I'm
Amy
Douglas
I'm
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
What
you
have
been
presented
is
absolutely
constitutional
under
article
10,
section
6C,
which
allows
allow
the
legislature
to
form
the
local
development
Act
and
the
procedures
that
we're
following
today
are,
in
conformance
with
the
Constitution
and
the
local
development
Act.
A
So
I
and
I
appreciate
you,
Mr
Reynolds,
coming
to
visit
us
with
us
and
share
your
concerns.
I
think
I
know
that
there's
there's
certainly
plenty
of
diverse
opinions
across
the
city,
about
whether
tiffs
are
a
good,
Economic,
Development
tool
or
not,
but
as
far
as
making
the
decision,
unless
Commissioners
have
other
comments,
my
view
is
the
city
is
telling
us
we're
within
our
Authority,
by
the
way
that
they've
presented
it
I've
I'm,
not
seeing
any
information
that's
been
presented
thus
far.
P
Thank
you
may
I
respond.
Please,
yes,
I
think
the
special
interest
are
the
individuals
that
are
benefiting
from
the
200
million
dollars.
That
is
perfectly
obvious.
I
would
think
whether
it's
constitutional
or
not.
It
is
a
violation
of
the
Constitution,
contrary
to
what
was
just
stated.
That
has
not
been
ruled
as
a
constitutional
use
of
public
funds.
There
has
been
no
ruling
at
the
Supreme
Court
I,
don't
believe,
and
if
the
counselor
has
one
I'd
be
happy
to
hear
it,
I
will
present
before
the
city
council
also
and
contact.
P
My
councilman
I've
probably
should
have
gone
to
the
Review
Committee.
There
are
so
many
levels
to
this
that
it
was
very
confusing
even
for
a
person
that
was
sitting
as
a
state
representative,
so
I
will
pursue
this
on
other
avenues.
But
if
I
go
to
the
city
council
I
know
this
will
remark
will
be.
Why
didn't
you
go
to
the
Planning
Commission?
Well,
we're.
A
A
S
A
A
Well,
Mr
Reynolds,
now
we're
going
to
have
to
I
know
we
have
a
long
agenda
today
we
did
give
you
your
five
minutes
to
address
the
commission,
and
we
have
heard
you
and
your
concerns
about
the
constitutionality
and
and
concerns
about
the
process
itself
and
concerns
about
who
the
Tiff
is
even
going
to
benefit,
and
so
we
certainly
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
I
Okay,
so
back
in
the
days
when
I
was
just
a
poor
little
late,
practicing
lawyer
practice
love
Dan
Batchelor,
who
wrote
the
Constitutional
Amendment
that
makes
tax
increment
financing
legal
in
the
state
of
Oklahoma.
He
and
I,
together
with
a
number
of
Representatives
at
State,
House
wrote
legislation
that
brought
Tiff
to
life
in
the
state
of
Oklahoma.
I
I
There's
the
idea
of
it
being
nefarious
in
some
way
is
a
little
offensive,
I
guess
to
me,
having
spent
so
many
years
working
with
this
tool
and
working
on
this
tool
to
try
to
perfect
it,
there
was
an
issue
at
the
time
that
the
first
I,
don't
even
like
the
term,
carve
out
that
the
first
extension
of
the
time
limit
for
a
portion
of
the
Tiff
was
utilized,
and
that
was
all
worked
through
at
Great
length
to
make
sure
that
it
was
being
done
in
a
legal
way.
I
I
The
money
has
to
be
spent
on
public
uses
public
infrastructure,
mainly,
but
not
entirely
in
this
day
and
age,
but
it
has
to
be
public.
It
can't
be
private
you're,
not
handing
the
money
over
to
other
people
to
pay
their
bills.
That's
not
the
way
it
works
and
I
feel
very,
very
confident
that
this
process,
on
the
one
hand,
I
think
Mr
Reynolds
indicated
he
thought
the
process
was
too
complicated.
A
W
I
Our
staff
person
to
come
forward
and
indicate
whether
the
fact
that
they're
asking
for
the
separation
of
these
certain
properties
is
any
indication
that,
as
I
I,
don't
want
to
put
words
in
Mr
Reynolds
mouth.
But
it
seemed
to
me
he
was
saying
it
hasn't,
succeeded
in
the
last
22
years.
They're
not
going
to
get
it
right
now,
and
so
this
whole
process
had
been
a
big
failure
and
I
think
that
is
entirely
contrary
to
fact
right
I'd
like
for
you
to
address
that
issue.
If
you
would
so.
S
I
I
wish
I
had
some
of
the
the
documents
in
front
of
me,
so
the
tax
collection
in
the
Tiff
fund,
if
I'm,
recalling
correctly
we're
around
5
million
in
the
early
years
of
the
Tiff,
our
check
that
this
year
will
be
17
million.
So
we've
successfully
grown
that
tax
base
immensely
and
in
2026
when
the
when
the
Tiff
ends,
there
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
nice
windfall
for
those
taxing
jurisdictions
that
we're
participating
in
that
Tiff
District.
When
the
tiffins
and
those
revenues
start
kind
of
flowing
back
through
the
system.
I
Give
us
people
are
not
aware
that
the
city
does
not
collect
property
tax.
In
fact,
people
running
for
office
I'm
sure
hear
that
all
the
time
do
something
about
my
taxes,
my
property
taxes.
It's
not
a
thing.
We
don't
get
money
from
property
taxes.
The
whole
concept
behind
Tiff
was
to
try
to
create
tax
revenue
with
respect
to
properties
that
were
really
not
producing
very
often
any,
but
very
much
under
producing.
I
If
any
and
two
use
that
income
to
leverage
further
development
which
boosts
the
tax
rolls
for
every
taxing
jurisdiction
in
the
state,
so
I
I
think
this
is
an
enormously
it's.
Also
it's
it's
one,
little
piece
of
a
big
puzzle
on
an
economic
development
package.
It's
not
Panacea,
it's
not
the
be-all
and
end-all.
It
very
very
seldom
makes
something
happen.
I
You
know
in
and
of
itself,
but
it
has
been
a
wonderful
wonderful
tool
in
so
very
many
respects
here
in
Oklahoma
City
and
has
brought
to
live
projects
and
developments
that
would
never
have
occurred,
putting
a
looking
at
the
properties
that
are
being
carved
out
of
the
it
for
the
Innovation
District.
None
of
that
would
be
there
with
that.
Yeah
most
of
Bricktown
would
not
be
there
without
Tiff.
So
the
idea
that
you're
taking
money
away
from
people-
it's
just
not
how
it
works,
you're,
creating
Revenue.
I
A
I
I
certainly
agree
and
have
seen
the
impact
that
it's
had
in
Northeast,
Oklahoma,
City
and
I.
Think
it's.
You
know,
I
agree
with
your
statement
that
it's
just
one
tool
in
the
toolbox
of
many
that
need
to
be
used
to
continue
to
Spur
economic
development
in
areas
in
Oklahoma
City
that
have
not
been
as
heavily
invested
in
and
you
know
there
are
certainly
some
valid
criticisms,
as
Mr
Reynolds
mentioned,
but
you
know,
on
balance.
I
still
think
it's
been
a
net
benefit
to
our
city
and
I'm
I'm
in
support.
F
Improvements
that
benefit
the
public
realm
that
can
be
seen
and
used
by
it's.
It's
not
hidden
in
the
building.
It's
not
put
going
in
someone's
pocket.
So
I
agree
with
your
sentiments.
Janice
sorry,
commissioner,.
A
So
the
motion
is
to
approve
the
resolution
amending
the
the
Tiff
District
that
motion's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
powers.
Please
cast
your
votes,
unavailable.
G
Item
seven
is
case:
PC
10867,
application
to
rezone
8800
North
Kelly
Avenue
from
R1
to
R2.
W
Thank
you
tell
us
about
your
project.
Yeah
we're
wanting
to
rezone
from
an
R1
to
an
R2,
develop
two
to
three
modern
multi-family
homes.
A
Have
you
thank
you?
This
is
in
Ward,
seven
I'll
ask:
have
you
visited
with
any
of
the
neighbors
who
are
on
that
street?
That
I
understand
that
this
is
on
Clover
Lane?
Have
you
visited
with
any
neighbors
about
this?
We
have
not.
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
so.
I,
don't
know
if
it
looks
like
we
at
least
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
today
to
talk
about
this
issue,
but
I.
A
I
I
do
know
that,
certainly
the
the
setbacks
and
some
of
the
other
issues
that
may
concern
some
of
the
neighbors
as
far
as
the
way
that
the
duplex
is
situated
on
the
property
will
certainly
be
comparable
to
the
other
single-family
homes
on
that
street.
But
there's
always
a
concern
about
mixing
some
of
the
some
of
the
densities
with
with
the
neighbors,
which
I'm
sure
we
will
likely
hear
about
any
other
questions
from
Commissioners
on
this.
A
Okay.
So
we
do
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
Justin,
Jennings.
X
My
name
is
Justin
Jennings
address
is
1008
Clover,
Lane,
you're,
exactly
correct
about
mixing
proposition
densities
or
residential
zoning.
We've
got
actually
our
deed
restrictions
say
that
you
can
only
have
R1
in
that
McCurry
Heights
District
and
we
have
about
26
of
the
30
properties,
have
signed
off
to
oppose
that
rezoning
and
I
think
about.
T
X
Just
I
mean
we
respect
the
right
of
the
new
property
in
order
to
build
what
they
want,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be.
You
know
similar
to
what's
already
there
so
multi-family
they're,
all
all
the
Lots
in
there
are
large
large
lot
single
family,
so
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
fit
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
and
I.
Don't
think
we
have
anybody
else
signed
up
to
speak,
but
we'll
certainly
take
those
comments
into
account
as
we
decide
what
we're
going
to
do
on
on
this
case.
But
thank
you
thanks.
Other
thoughts
from
Commissioners
I'm
inclined
to
suggest
that
the
applicant
consider
a
continuance.
Let's
have
some
meetings
with
the
neighborhood.
Let's
talk
about
it
and
come
back
other
thoughts.
Y
A
Matter,
that'd
be
a
civil
matter
that
we
wouldn't
have
authority
over.
How
do
you
feel
about
taking
a
continuous
visit
with
the
neighbors
and
then
bring
it
back
in
on
the
next
meeting,
which
would
be
March
9th.
W
A
So
your
options
are,
you
could
take
the
continuance
visit
with
neighbors,
see
if
there's
something
you
can
modify
change,
make
them
more
comfortable,
which
would
I
would
think
would
require
refiling
this
request,
as
probably
an
Spud
which
would
allow
us
to
make
some
additional
changes
if
there
are
any
to
be
reached
with
with
the
any
mutually
beneficial
or
acceptable
changes.
A
O
I'll
make
a
motion
to
continue
it
to
for
two
weeks.
Was
it.
A
T
A
So
the
motion,
but
commissional
Forge
has
moved
to
continue
this
item
to
the
March
9th
meeting
that
motion's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
Hinkle.
Please
catch
the
votes
available.
A
And
I'm,
certainly
happy
to
the
motion,
passes
I'm
happy
to
help
you
in
facilitating
that
I'm,
I'm,
willing
and
I.
Of
course,
don't
have
a
card
on
me,
but
I'm
certain
that
between
our
our
staff,
members
with
the
city
can
help
you
connect
with
me
and
get
my
contact
information,
but
I'm
certainly
happy
to
help
you
and
help
the
neighborhood
in
facilitating
a
conversation
with
you
between
now
and
March,
9th,
okay,
that'll
work.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
very
much
we're
now.
In
line
for
item
eight.
G
Z
Afternoon
David
box
522
Concord
Drive.
This
is
an
application
that
is
made
possible
by
the
new
Turnpike.
Much
like
what
you've
seen
in
the
western
part
of
Oklahoma
County
Eastern
Oklahoma
County
had
a
Turnpike
that
came
through
it,
and
so
what
it
is
doing
is
changing
the
nature
of
the
land
uses
as
it's
adjacent
to
the
turnpike.
So
what
we
propose
is
a
C3
application.
Staff
recommends
approval.
I
am
not
aware
of
any
protest.
L
And
I'm
normally
not
real
keen
on
straight
C3,
but
you
know
being
next
to
it
major
Turnpike,
it
kind
of
makes
sense
now
so
yeah,
no.
L
Right
I'll
move
to
approve
case
number
pc10860.
A
There
we
go
the
mo
the
Motions
been
made
by
commissioner
private.
It's
been
second
by
commissioner
Hinkle.
Please
cast
your
votes
when
available.
A
And
the
motion
passes.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
as
we're
getting
ready
for
the
next
item.
I'll
remind
anyone
who's
come
to
join
us
that
if
you're
wishing
to
speak
to
the
commission,
you
have
these
forms.
Sarah
right
here
has
the
forms
for
you
to
sign
up
to
speak.
Anyone
that
has
not
signed
up
to
speak
will
not
be
able
to
speak
before
the
commission.
We're
now
in
line
for
item
10.
Z
Once
again,
David
box
522
call
Court
Drive.
This
is
an
item
that
was
deferred
from
the
last
Planning
Commission
hearing
for
an
opportunity
for
my
client
and
a
few
of
the
Commissioners
to
meet
to
discuss
some
of
the
details
of
the
mining
permit.
We
were
able
to
have
that
meeting
yesterday.
My
understanding
is
is
that
the
chair
has
had
the
opportunity
to
relay
what
what
changes
we
are
going
to
propose
today
to
the
neighbors.
Z
So
what
we
are
proposing
again
is
a
mining
operation
to
take
that
topsoil
off
and
to
prepare
the
site
ultimately
for
development.
We
are
in
agreement
with
the
two
Tes
and
would
propose
to
add
two
additional
Tes.
If
you
recall
there
was
discussion
last
time
about
Jared,
could
you
put
the
aerial
the
setback
from
the
homes
that
are
along
North,
Cherry
Avenue,
whether
or
not
the
200
feet
was
from
the
structure
or
200
feet
was
from
the
property
line,
as
the
mining
permit
was
applied,
for
it
was
200
feet
from
a
structure.
Z
My
client
has
gone
back
and
is
comfortable
now
with
adding
a
technical
evaluation
that
the
separation
requirement
shall
be
200
feet
from
any
property
line
of
a
home
that
fronts
North
Cherry
Avenue.
Then
we
were
in
a
discussion
regarding
the
length
of
time
as
requested,
the
department
of
mines
has
issued
a
permit
for
a
seven
year
period.
There
was
discussion
yesterday
and
where
we
ended
up
I
think
being
comfortable
was
for
a
period
of
54
months,
so
that
would
what
we,
what
we
would
propose
as
te
number
four.
Z
So
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
we
hope
that
the
modifications
have
made
this
a
reasonable
request.
It
is
zoned
I2,
so
giving
200
feet
from
the
property
line,
for
this
use
is
I
think
more
than
what
could
be
expected
under
the
current
zoning.
If
somebody
was
ready
to
develop-
and
we
hope
that
that
the
commission
sees
that
as
a
positive.
A
Thank
you
and
I
I
was
a
part
of
the
conversations
with
some
other
Commissioners
on
this
issue
and
appreciate
them
and
and
their
perspectives
and
the
willingness
to
move.
Obviously,
the
number
one
concern
is
making
sure
that
the
people
who
live
on
Cherry
Street
have
some
reasonable
protection
from
the
noise
dirt
other
issues
that
may
come
up
as
they're
as
they're
moving
the
dirt
around
in
this
area.
A
So
the
the
debate
in
the
previous
commission
meeting
was
about
whether
or
not
the
the
buffer
zone
that
would
be
created
started
at
the
at
the
property
line
or
whether
it
started
at
the
actual
dwelling
of
of
the
residences.
So
we've
clarified
that
with
the
te
to
say
that
the
the
buffer
Begins,
the
200
feet,
begins
at
the
edge
of
the
property
line
and
that
no
trees
Shrubbery
any
of
that
can
be
removed
from
that
area.
We
did
look
at
the
map
and
see
how
heavily
wooded
it
is.
A
So
that
is
a
comfort
the
other
thing.
No
one
I,
don't
think
anybody
just
wants
a
mine
anymore,
we're
near
any
kind
of
any
home.
But
the
challenge
here
is
the
is
the
current
zoning.
It
is
Zone
I2
and
which
means
that
if,
if
they
had
actual
development
plans,
the
property
owner
could
develop
within
25
feet
of
the
property
line.
So
while
this
is
no
Comfort
I
think
in
in
that
no
one
wants
to
see
a
mine.
A
I
certainly
prefer
a
25
foot
buffer
for
anywhere
I
mean
excuse
me,
a
200
foot
buffer
that
retains
the
trees
versus
some
action.
That's
taken!
That's
only
25
feet
from
the
property
line,
so
I
I
am
going
to
be
in
support
of
this
and
certainly
would
encourage
the
developer
to
continue
to
have
conversations
with
the
neighbors
as
well.
Any
other
questions
or
comments
from
commissioners.
F
Well,
I
had
one
one
point
of
clarification
which
David
might
want
to
comment.
The
te
number
one
says
trees
shall
be
preserved
within
setbacks,
where
adjacent
to
a
platted,
residential
neighborhood,
correct
so
for
consistency
of
language.
I
would
ask
if
you
would
be
amenable
to
the
200
foot
buffer
is
required
where
adjacent
to
a
clouded
residential
neighborhood
for
consistency,
as
opposed
to
lots
that
front
on
Cherry
Avenue.
That's
a
slightly
different
wording
that
could
exclude
three
lots
at
the
North
End
of
the
because
they're
not
fronting
Cherry
Avenue
they're
fronting
20th,
but
they.
F
Z
F
Z
Not
concerned
about
the
R1
track,
no,
no,
no
just
the
the
we
could
just
say
200
feet.
Well,
what
I
don't
want
to
do?
I,
don't
know
if
that
R1
is
a
platted
R1
track.
I.
Don't
want
200
feet
to
be
from
that.
That's
fair
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
so
perhaps
I
work
with
staff
I
mean
yes,
anything
that
is
Cherry
Cherry
Avenue
or
those
three
lots
that
are
fronting
20th.
We
can
be
200
feet
from
that
great.
A
V
At
this
time,
I
don't
have
anything
I
want
to
add
I
just
wanted
to
ensure
that,
on
what
was
discussed
was
going
to
be
disseminated
here
on
today.
So
my
presence
is
for
the
to
ensure
that
what
was
discussed
did
get
disseminated
here
and
I.
Don't
have
anything
to
say
what
we
agreed
upon
is
is
pretty
good.
A
Thank
you
well,
any
other
any
other
without
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
Commissioners
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
motion
and
David.
Maybe
you
could
read
the
language
you'd
like
to
see
in
these
tees
before
we
vote.
Z
So
we're
going
to
add
two
Tes
t
e
number
three
would
be
a
200
foot
separation
requirement
as
measured
from
any
platted
residential
lot,
but
for
that
one
piece
of
whatever
is
is
R1.
So
as
long
as
we
understand
it
doesn't
include
that
te4,
the
period
of
time
for
the
special
permit
shall
be
54
months.
A
A
Z
Afternoon,
David
box,
522
call
Cord
drive
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
application
before
you
is
a
PUD
that
would
allow
a
modified
multi-family
development
but
multi-family
limited
to
a
town
home
rather
than
a
traditional
multi-family
unit.
So
this
is
an
area
that
is
surrounded
by
a
mix
of
zoning.
Everything
from
R1
all
the
way
up
to
R4
staff
does
recommend
approval.
Z
There
are
two
Tes,
both
of
which
we
agree
to
and
and
speaking
with,
the
Commissioners
one,
someone
asked
that
we
require
an
additional
te
that
we
be
required
to
fence
off
the
oil
and
gas
equipment.
We
are
agreeable
to
that,
so
we
would
propose
to
add
te3
that
a
site
proof
fence
would
be
required
around
the
existing
oil
and
gas
facilities.
A
L
I
we're
sharing
today
all
right,
yeah
I
do
like
the
te
for
around
the
oil
and
gas
equipment.
I
was
gonna,
you
know
Wonder,
what's
going
to
do
to
you
know
be
there
but
yeah.
It's
good
I
think
it's
good,
infill
and
kind
of
hide.
The
oil
field
equipment
a
little
bit
next
to
R4
all
in
favor.
I
Have
you
have
a
question
not
so
much
for
the
applicant
I?
Guess
it's
more
to
staff,
and
maybe
this
between
us
I
noticed
that
the
parking
requirement
here
is
for
1.5
parking
spaces
per
two
and
three
bedroom
units
seems
to
me
like.
We
are
really
struggling
with
our
parking
requirements
on
residential
and
and
I.
You
know
I've
I've,
heard
and
discussed
with
applicants
sort
of
both
sides
of
that
issue
in
in
areas,
especially
within
the
core,
where
we
are
doing
like
everything
we
can
do
to
promote
non-dupicular
motion.
I
You
know
for
people
to
use
Public,
Access
and
or
public
transportation
into
actually
walk
and
ride
their
bicycles
and
do
things
like
that
that
shapes
that
concern
for
me
in
One
Direction,
where
those
services
are
available
and
where
we
have
an
active
interest
in
promoting
them.
I,
don't
know
enough
to
know
whether
1.5
is
the
standard
amount
of
parking
that
would
ordinarily
be
required
for
this
type
of
a
facility.
I
Z
So
yeah
my
client,
this
is
the
type
of
product
that
they
routinely
built.
They've
got
multiple
projects
across
the
city.
This
is
what
they
have
found
to
be
the
the
necessary
parking.
If
you
think
about
when
our
our
parking
ratios
were
established,
it's
kind
of
I
think
of
the
80s
when
the
mindset,
whether
it
was
commercial
or
multi-family,
was
you
build
your
structure
and
then
you
have
a
sea
of
parking.
Z
What
we
have
found
is
the
parking
accounts
required
in
the
code
for
multiple
types
of
uses,
but
specifically
multi-family
are
in
excess
of
what
is
needed,
and
so,
rather
than
build
a
bunch
of
parking.
That
would
just
be
an
ugly
piece
of
asphalt,
you're,
seeing
more
and
more
developers
come
in
and
use
specifically
what
they
show
that
the
market
is
requiring
for
parking
counts.
I
Z
F
For
multi-family,
residential,
specifically
yeah
so
I
mean
we
I've
participated
in
the
same
types
of
studies
and
and
we
found
it
was,
you
know,
25
percent
lower
was
still
more
than
enough
than
what
was
requiring.
You
know,
one
per
bedroom
for,
for
example,
that's
just
more
than
is
needed
in.
Q
Sarah
Welch
planning
department:
do
you
mean
specifically
what
code
would
normally
require
for
multi-family?
Well
that
or
what?
Okay,
so
for
a
for
a
standard,
multi-family
residential,
a
one
bedroom
is
1.5
parking
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
and
then
any
two
or
more
bedroom
unit.
They
would
be
required
two
parking
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
and
then
two.
I
Q
And
just
that,
if
it
were,
let's
say
to
be
considered
two
or
three
four
family
residential,
depending
on
how
many
they
built,
that
would
also
be
two
dwelling
two
parking
spaces
per
dwelling
unit.
So
of
course,
I
think
this
commission
knows
that
staff
typically
supports
reduction
in
parking
requirements,
and
so
we
didn't
have
any
comment
about
that.
Yeah.
I
Z
Z
G
G
So
that
that's
part
of
it
just
so
we
we
have
been
doing
some
parking
studies
in
for
the
new
code.
Admittedly,
though,
we've
focused
more
on
Commercial
uses,
because
that's
typically,
where
the
biggest
problem
is
the
biggest
over
parking,
so
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
we've
found
on
multi-family
residential,
but
it
is
something
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
focus
on
as
well,
because
you
know,
as
was
said,
we
don't
want,
especially
where
there's
transit
or
a
walkable
environment.
I
G
Absolutely
we
that
that
is
foremost
on
our
minds,
so
it'll
be
kind
of
customized
as
much
as
possible.
To
you
know,
we
we
anticipate
that
when
you
are
near
within
a
reasonably
walkable
distance
to
a
Transit
facility
that
you
that
would
could
allow
you
to
reduce
your
parking
requirements
and
also
bike
facility.
F
A
With
the
additional
te
to
acquire
site
proof
screening
around
the
oil
and
gas
operation,
yes,
the
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
PUD
1928
to
city
council
that
motion's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
govine.
Please
cast
your
votes
in
a
favor.
Z
Once
again,
David
box,
522
Concord
Drive
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
the
applicant,
is
underway
with
construction
on
this
site.
The
old
PUD
that's
in
place,
I
believe
it's
p8771
has
a
base
of
i1,
and
so
what
that
did
was
it
prohibited?
The
ability
to
fuel
fleet
vehicles
on
site
the
ability
to
fuel
a
fleet
vehicle
on
site
is
very
important
to
large
Warehouse
developments.
It's
very
common
in
large
Warehouse
development.
A
Just
so
we're
clear
to
David
where
so
the
I'm
assuming
there'd,
be
like
some
garages
or
like
is
I'm
assuming
there's
a
building,
I
guess
between
yeah.
There
you
go
so
that
would
block
off
any
of
the
the
view
from
residents
along
Brian,
correct,
okay,
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
comments,
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
commissioners.
A
R
Itlin
Turner
522
call
Court
Drive.
This
is
an
application
to
permit
a
personal
storage
facility.
It's
located
along
Northwest
Expressway
in
Northwood,
near
Piedmont,
and
the
site
is
actually
within
a
plat.
That
indicates
that
this
area,
as
well
as
the
vacant
property
to
the
West,
is
intended
for
commercial
use.
This
is
in
line
with
that.
There
are
no
tees,
staff
has
recommended
approval
and
we
have
not
received
any
protest
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
A
I
agree,
and
just
just
for
the
sake
of
clarity
again
for
those
neighbors
to
your
North
Caitlyn.
They
look
at
the
back
of
the
building.
So
it's
just
going
to
look
like.
Okay
just
wanted
to
be
sure,
because
it
is
disruptive
to
have
to
look
at
the
you
know:
doors
going
in
up
the
bay
door
is
going
up
and
down
I,
don't
have
any
questions
or
objections,
but
we
do
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak.
Two
people
found
it
to
speak
on
on
this
item.
Any
questions
from
commissioners
before
we
hear
from
them.
B
A
Okay:
first
Lisa
Eckert.
A
Oh
you're,
going
to
okay
Joe
Maxwell.
AA
AA
The
line
is
bumper
to
bumper
around
the
school
and
200
yards
down,
Northwest
Expressway
Bumper
to
Bumper,
and
they
Park
in
the
northbound
lane
of
Northwood
Drive.
So
it
cuts
it
down
to
a
one-lane
street
and
with
their
entrance
coming
off
of
Northwood
Drive,
it's
going
to
it'll
make
it
difficult
on
their
customers.
It
makes
it
difficult
on
us
living
there.
There's
four
school
buses
that
come
out
of
the
school
and
try
to
get
out
of
there.
AA
There's
three
kindergarten
vans
that
leave
the
school
and
try
to
get
out.
We've
had
one
fatality
accident
at
the
intersection
there
at
Northwood
and
Northwest
Expressway
I
believe
that
was
last
year
year
before
and
we've
had
several
other
accidents
at
that
intersection,
because
a
lot
of
it
is
because
of
the
school
traffic
and
some
of
our
other
issues
are
they
mentioned
in
this
a
wall
around
it.
AA
R
Well,
in
that,
in
the
Pud
we
currently
stipulate
that'll
be
a
six
to
eight
foot
fence
where
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
through
that
right
and
then
in
terms
of
traffic,
since
it's
on
Northwest,
Expressway
and
Northwood,
which
is
Cemetery
to
the
South,
this
area
is
high.
Traffic.
I
understand
that,
however,
with
this
use,
the
traffic
traffic
will
be
extremely
low
and
sporadic
giving
up,
given
any
other
use
that
could
be
developed
there.
So
the.
AA
AA
A
AA
AA
AA
AA
There's
a
24
inch
tin
horn
that
runs
under
Northwood,
Drive
and
dumps
into
the
city.
Drainage
I've
had
the
engineers
out
there
looking
at
it,
and
they
said
what
needs
to
happen.
Is
there
to
be
two
24
inch
tin
horns
in
there,
but
they
wouldn't
do
it
because
of
the
development
they
didn't
want
to
close
the
road
down,
didn't,
dig
it
up
and
put
another
10
horn
in,
but
with
the
added
water
in
there.
Something
needs
to
happen
on
the
drainage.
AA
It's
come
within
probably
two
inches
to
the
top
of
my
water.
Well,
because
it
cannot
drain
through
there
and
it
backs
up
into
my
yard,
but
but
really
like
I
said.
The
main
concern
is
the
traffic.
It's
just
you,
you
try
to
well.
I
have
an
RV
I
have
to
plan
my
trips
time
them
where
I
can
get
home.
I
can't
get
my
RV
in
the
house
during
certain
hours
of
the
day
because
of
the
traffic
with
the
school
back
up
and
people
coming
out.
A
Anybody
have
questions
for
Mr,
Maxwell
I,
don't
think
so.
Thank
you.
I
think
it'd
be
nice
to
know
from
the
applicant.
Why
not
take
access
from
Northwest
Expressway
and
can
we?
What
can
you
do
on
getting
to
eight
foot
fence
on
on
the
wall
and
eliminating?
What
do
you
think
about
eliminating
wood.
Z
In
terms
of
access
to
Northwest
Highway,
the
rate
of
speed
on
Northwest
Highway
is
exceptionally
fast,
especially
as
you
get
further
west
in
this
part
of
the
city.
I
think
this
posted
speed
limit
might
even
be
in
excess
of
45
miles
an
hour.
I
think
having
an
access
point
off
of.
There
is
frankly
more
of
a
traffic
Hazard
than
off
of
the
north
south
street.
So
in
terms
of
the
north
south
street
I
asked
luckily
I
had
a
civil
engineer
sitting
to
my
right.
Z
The
average
trip
count
for
a
personal
storage
facility
is
100
per
day
for
perspective
and
office,
use,
which
I
think
is
considered
less
intense
than
a
commercial
use,
would
routinely
generate
1200
trips
per
day
so
from
a
traffic
perspective.
If,
if
we
agree
that
this
is
going
to
develop
commercially,
which
I
believe
it's
a
pretty
good
chance,
it
will.
This
is
probably
the
least
intensive
use.
You
can
imagine
from
a
traffic
standpoint
from
the
fencing
standpoint,
so
we
we
have
wood
as
an
option.
Z
But
if
you
read
the
requirement,
if
we
choose
would
we
are
required
brick
columns
on
20-foot
centers,
so
it's
a
heightened
Wood
standard.
We
we
perhaps
we
agreed
to
eight
feet,
but
we
can't
agree
to
a
concrete
wall
or
a
brick
wall
all
the
way
around.
But
we
can't
agree
to
the
eight
feet
we've
already
imposed
upon
ourselves.
The
brick
columns.
B
Well,
a
couple
things
I
just
want
to
reiterate:
Mr
Maxwell's
concerned
it
was
the
traffic,
the
brick
wall
and
the
drainage.
A
couple
of
things
on
that
again.
B
This
is
this
is
the
lowest
use,
I
mean
if
you
were,
if
you
were
to
have
a
gas
station
on
the
corner
or
anything
like
that,
even
even
a
strip
mall
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
higher
traffic
counts,
I'm,
I'm,
okay,
with
the
eight
foot
fence,
with
the
with
the
the
Brick
columns
from
a
drainage
standpoint.
It
appears
that
there's
a
detention
Pond
located
on
the
site
and
that's
going
to
go
through
Public
Works
review.
They
will
ensure
that
no,
you
know
no
greater
amount
of
storm.
B
Water
runoff
leaves
the
site
than
currently
exists,
and
then
I
just
want
to
add
from
that
from
the
the
traffic
and
the
entrance
off
the
Northwest
Expressway
that
wood.
That's
a
state
highway
I
believe
that
requires
a
permit
from
ODOT
for
for
a
curb,
cut
and
I
believe
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
requirements,
but
there's
there's
a
minimum
distance
from
an
intersection
that
they
would
have
to
be
and
I'm
not
sure,
there's
enough
front
edge.
There.
A
It's
important
to
know
and
I'm
sure
you'd
be
willing
to
commissioner
Claire
among
his
many
talents
is
also
a
former
traffic
commissioner,
so
I'm
sure
that's
also
an
informed
opinion
but
I'm
sure
you'd
be
willing
to
visit
with
Mr
Maxwell
absolutely
in
in
the
neighbors
if
they
had
any
any
further
concerns.
I
can
also
say,
having
regularly
voted
on
these
rezoning
cases,
that
I've
heard
it
time
and
time
again
about
the
storage
facility
being
more
of
a
minimal
traffic
option.
A
I
know
nothing
is
ideal,
I
mean
for
this,
but
I
certainly
can
appreciate
that
versus
an
office
development
or
a
gas
station
that
would
be
more
more
intense.
Any
other
questions
or
comments
from
Commissioners
sounds
like
we're
at
at
an
eight
foot
fence,
but
leaving
the
the
current
requirements
as
far
as
what
what
the
fence
can
consist
of
will
remain
the
same.
So.
B
Okay,
commissioner,
Claire
okay,
so
I'll
move
to
recommend
to
city
council
approval
of
item
PUD
1931,
adding
the
te
that
strikes
the
six
foot
height
option
on
the
perimeter
fence.
A
A
K
Good
afternoon
Mark
Grubbs
1800
South
Sarah
Road
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
the
this
is
a
a
little
over
a
seven
acre,
PUD
C2
PUD,
allowing
for
mixed
use,
commercial
and
office
at
about
State
Highway
152
with
high
traffic
volumes
fast
growing
area
of
commercial
and
office
uses,
and
it's
in
close
proximity
to
the
turnpike
there,
seeing
conformance
with
comp
plan
staff,
recommends
approval
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
K
K
J
A
Or
maybe
just
to
be
more
specific
on
the
required
that
the
call
box
be
on
the
on
the
on
the
east
side,
correct.
K
So
it
would
be
on
the
east
side
of
it
of
any
building
if
it
was
within
100
feet
of
any
residential
zoning
or
use.
If
it's
within
one,
if
it's
outside
of
the
150
Market,
it
could
be
on
the
West
Side.
Okay,
do.
K
A
Any
other
questions
for
for
the
applicant
from
Commissioners.
Any
other
comments
concerns
commissioner
Fraley.
A
J
K
A
They're
way
better
wordsmiths
than
us,
the
motion,
commissioner
Fraley,
has
moved
to
recommend
approval
of
PUD
1933
to
city
council.
Is
there
a
second
that
motion's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
powers?
Please
cast
your
votes
unavailable.
G
This
is
Spud
1485
application,
4913
North
Lincoln
Boulevard
from
C3
commercial,
Spud,
14
or
452,
and
Lincoln
Boulevard
design
overlay
to
Spud
1485.
Z
Good
afternoon
David
box
522
Concord
Drive.
This
application
is
along
Lincoln
Boulevard
and,
as
you
are
aware,
the
Lincoln
Boulevard
overlay
now
exists,
and
so
we
were
required
to
go
in
front
of
the
Urban
Design
commission.
Yesterday
afternoon
we
did
so
and
received
a
recommendation
for
approval
for
our
Spud.
The
SPD
would
allow
for
two
buildings
to
be
built
to
allow
the
office
warehouse
use
again.
Z
A
A
A
T
Z
Good
afternoon,
David
box
522
call
Court
Drive
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
homeless
Alliance
before
you
is
an
Spud
that
would
allow
for
a
winter
shelter
as
well
as
some
housing
on
the
west
side
of
the
development.
We
believe
that
this
application
is
important
not
just
for
what
it
serves,
but
also
where
it
serves
I.
Think
it's
important
that
you
look
at
your
staff
report
and
on
the
front
you
will
see
that
this
item
was
originally
set
before
you
on
November,
the
10th
I
was
engaged.
Z
After
that
time
there
was
a
meeting
that
was
held
with
Mr
work
and
Mr
Groves,
who
represented
different
interests
in
this
area,
and
they
asked
us
to
defer
it.
We
agreed,
we
deferred
it
for
a
long
period
of
time
in
an
effort
to
get
a
list
of
items
that
they
thought
were
needed
to
make
this
application
in
compliance
in
terms
of
its
compliance,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
look
to
the
staff
report
and
see
a
recommendation
for
approval
with
no
technical
evaluations.
Z
It's
important
that
we
place
facilities
that
serve
the
homelessness
in
areas
where
the
homeless
are
located,
and
that's
what
this
opportunity
provides.
This
is
a
strategic
opportunity
based
upon
where
the
shelter
is
located.
Based
upon
where
the
homeless
Alliance
Headquarters
were
located.
We
made
some
modifications
to
the
Spud
that
we
transmitted
to
Mr
work.
Z
We,
we
can
add
it
as
a
technical
evaluation.
We've
already
modified
the
Spud,
sent
it
to
Mr
work,
and
what
we
had
asked
is
that
we
add
section
9
entitled
other
the
following
shall
apply
to
the
Emergency
Shelters
and
feeding
sites
use
unit.
Only
there
shall
be
a
maximum
of
300
participants
at
the
facility
there
should
there
shall
be
two
contract
security
staff,
two
shelter
staff
and
one
supervisor
to
oversee
the
operation.
Dinner
meals
will
be
provided
from
the
day,
shelter,
kitchen
volunteer-based
organizations
and
the
regional
Food
Bank
at
603.
Z
Yesterday
evening,
Mr
work
asked
me
if
we
could
defer
this
item.
We
respectfully
decline.
This
is
a
a
use
that
is
of
significant
need
and
it
is
of
significant
need
here
again.
This
was
originally
scheduled
in
November.
Here
we
are
almost
March.
We
don't
have
the
luxury
of
continuing
this
anymore.
I
would
like
for
Dan
Strawn
to
come.
He
is
the
director
of
the
homeless,
Alliance
and
walk
through
some
of
the
logistics
and
why
the
need
exists
and
why
this
location
specifically
is
important.
AB
AB
So
the
homeless
Alliance
has
coordinated
the
community's
response
for
winter
shelter
for
about
15
years
now,
prior
to
the
pandemic.
Our
practice
in
Oklahoma
city
was
for
most
of
the
seven
overnight
shelters
to
go
into
overflow
mode
when
the
temperature
was
forecast
to
fall
below
32
degrees
when
the
pandemic
hit
in
2020.
That
was
no
longer
possible.
Our
overnight
shelters,
in
fact
were
reducing
capacity
in
order
to
enable
social
distancing
in
their
facilities.
AB
At
that
time
we
knew
we
still
had
300
unsheltered
people
in
Oklahoma
City
and
needed
to
make
accommodation
for
them
when
temperatures
fell,
below
freezing
and
so
in
partnership.
With
the
City
of
Oklahoma
City
and
the
Mental
Health
Association,
we
rented
the
old
Willard
School
on
third
in
Indiana
and
opened
that
as
a
winter
shelter
you
can
see
utilization
on
the
first
chart.
AB
The
red
spike
is,
if
you
will
remember
the
February
Deep
Freeze
in
2021,
because
we
had
this
dedicated
winter
shelter
during
that
February.
Deep,
freeze,
we're
the
only
city,
large
city
near
us
that
did
not
have
a
single
person
experiencing
homelessness.
Parish
from
hypothermia,
Tulsa
couldn't
make
that
claim.
Dallas
couldn't
Fort
Worth
couldn't
Fort
Smith
couldn't
Amarillo
couldn't,
but
Oklahoma
City
could
make
that
claim
claim
the
next
winter.
The
Willard
shelter
was
not
available
to
us
and
we
were
still
in
pandemic
mode.
AB
The
regular
overnight
shelters
were
not
able
to
accommodate
too
many
additional
people,
and
you
can
see
on
the
second
chart.
Are
winter
utilization
in
that
winter?
The
red
line
near
the
bottom?
That's
total
capacity.
So
you
can
see
how
many
nights
that
year
we
were
way
over
capacity.
So,
for
instance,
in
our
night
shelter
in
our
day
shelter
we
accommodated
200
people
in
a
space.
That's
really
meant
for
80.,
and
then
this
winter.
So
far
we
have
we've
had
well
51
51
nights
that
fell
below
freezing
tonight
will
be
number
52..
AB
The
third
chart
that
you
have
the
green
line
shows
our
capacity
when
it's
32
or
below,
and
the
red
line
shows
our
system-wide
capacity
when
it's
20
or
below.
So
you
can
see,
there's
a
tremendous
unmet
need
and
as
the
number
of
unsheltered
homeless
in
Oklahoma
City,
which
our
latest
data
says
is
about
500
On
Any
Given
night.
A
F
We've
had
a
number
of
meetings
on
this
and
it
has
been
continued,
so
it
continued
in
the
past,
so
I
think
I'm.
We
probably
need
to
have
this
conversation
today.
I
know,
there's
I
believe,
there's
opposition
that
would
like
to
speak
and.
F
I,
don't
want
to
steal
anyone's
Thunder.
I
have
I,
have
some
questions,
but
I
think
we
should
probably
well.
A
I'll
say:
Beyonce
I
I
think
it's
probably
too
strong
of
language
to
say.
Opposition
I
think
the
goal
is
for
us
to
find
a
way
to
ensure
that
we
are
both
meeting
the
needs
of
our
homeless
population
while
at
the
same
time
being
respectful
of
the
business
and
homeowners
that
are
in
the
nearby
area,
and
so
it's
within
our
purview
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
try
to
mitigate
any
any
potential
harm
or
impact
that
could
happen
to
those
nearby
businesses,
while
also
respecting
the
need
to
serve
those
people
in
our
community.
F
But
from
past
conversations,
I
understand,
there's,
there's
nearby
businesses
that
have
concerns
about
pedestrian
safety
is
one
concern
in
any
ways
as
far
as
where
the
meals
are
being
provided
versus,
where
the
emergency
shelter
is
being
provided,
and
my
understanding,
which
the
applicant
may
also
wish
to
address
afterwards,
is
that
the
foods
provided
on
the
west
campus,
the
emergency
shelter,
is
a
block
and
a
half
away
on
the
East
and
the
trucks
that
serve
some
of
the
businesses
there
use
4th
Street
and
are
concerned
about
that
conflict
of
interest
and
safety.
AC
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
govine
and
commissioner
Pennington.
My
name
is
Kelly
work.
My
address
is
105
North,
Hudson,
Suite,
304
and
I
am
appearing
here
today
as
a
attorney
for
American
Glass
Inc,
which
has
its
business
situated
at
519,
North,
Kentucky
Avenue,
and
if
you
I'll
just
direct
your
refer
you
to
the
to
the
aerial
photo
there
there
on
the
west
side
of
Kentucky,
between
Northwest
4th,
Street
and
Northwest
5th,
Street,
or
really
between
Northwest
4th
Street
and
the
alley
that
angles
there
just
north
of
their
building.
AC
They
have
an
existing
45,
000
square
foot,
building
there,
where
they,
where
they
operate
their
business.
Their
parking
lot
is
immediately
to
the
South
and
does
exit
onto
4th,
Street
and
I
believe,
and
we
did
submit
a
letter
to
you
all
in
response
to
this
application
and
I
know.
You
also
had
previously
received
a
letter
from
Eric
Groves,
who
represents
Summit
Machine
Tool,
which
is
at
318
North,
Indiana,
so
they're
on
the
east
side
of
the
warehouse.
AC
As
you
all
may
know,
Mr
Groves
has
been
in
the
hospital
and
ill
and
is
still
recovering
and
has
not
to
my
knowledge
re-engaged
with
his
law
practice,
but
so
I
don't
have
any
further
information
about
about
their
response,
but
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
I
do
want
to
preface
my
remarks
and
I
appreciate
your
comments.
Commissioner
Pennington.
AC
We
certainly
recognize
that
homelessness
is
a
critical
issue
that
does
require
and
deserve
a
community-wide
response,
and
we
certainly
recognize
the
need
that
needs
to
be
filled
and
and
and
also
appreciate,
the
efforts
and
the
role
that
the
homeless
Alliance
plays
in
that
effort
and
also
I,
don't
want
you
all
to
understand
from
any
of
my
comments
that
I
believe
or
am
saying
that
persons
that
experience
homelessness
are
more
likely
to
commit
crimes
than
any
other
member
of
the
general
population.
AC
So
I
want
to
make
that
clear,
I'm
not
intending
to
suggest
that
in
my
remarks,
just
for
a
little
bit
of
information
about
the
nature
of
the
business
that
American
Glass
is
engaged
in
there
at
519,
North
Kentucky,
they
are
a
glazing
contractor,
so
their
business
includes
installation
of
Glass.
On
and
Frames
on
commercial
construction
projects,
so
they
they
work
on
big
buildings.
Quite
a
lot.
Probably
80
percent
of
the
large
buildings
that
are
constructed
in
Oklahoma
involve
work
that
is
being
done
by
American
Glass
on
glazing.
AC
AC
AC
So
just
in
terms
of
the
little
bit
of
the
history,
as
you
all
know,
and
you
can
see
from
the
photo
the
existing
homeless
Alliance
facility,
there
is
between
Kentucky
and
Virginia
and
between
4th
Street
and
3rd
Street,
so
they
have
their
existing
facility
there,
where
they
provide
their
services
and,
as
I
understand
it,
have
some
single
residency
occupancy
residence
there
and
that's
part
of
what
I
understand
they're
intending
to
expand
to
on
the
northeast
corner
of
4th
and
Kentucky.
AC
There
are,
as
you
all,
are
aware,
I'm
sure,
a
large
number
of
people
that
are
drawn
to
the
area
resulting
from
the
presence
of
the
homeless
Alliance
facility
and
the
services
that
are
available
there,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
tent
camping
that
goes
on
around
the
area
in
the
neighborhood.
There
is
a
lot
of
people
simply
loitering.
AC
AC
When
the
city
council
adopted
the
emergency
shelter
use
a
number
of
years
ago,
it
was
created
as
a
special
permit
use.
So
it
is
one
of
the
group
of
uses
that
there
is
a
particular
level
higher
level
of
review
that
is
contemplated
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
by
the
city
council
and
there,
and
that
there
are
specific
issues
with
regard
to
emergency
shelter,
sites
that
are
directed
by
the
ordinance
to
be
addressed,
and
there
is
specific
review.
That's
that's
directed
by
the
staff
to
be
done
in
response
to
a
special
permit.
AC
When
the
Willard
School
site
was
brought
before
you
as
a
temporary
emergency
shelter,
it
was
done
as
a
special
permit
application,
which
permits
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Council
to
impose
conditions
as
part
of
the
special
permit
when
the
city
Care
Facility.
That's
on.
That's
also
an
emergency
shelter.
That's
on
General,
Pershing
Boulevard.
It
came
before
you
as
a
special
permit
application
and
allowed
for
the
review
that
the
ordinance
contemplates
and
conditions
that
are
required
to
be
imposed.
AC
A
Want
to
do
you
want
to
I'm
certain
commissioner
govine's
question
is
going
to
be
similar
to
mine.
Do
you
have
any
suggestions
on
or
or
some
issues
actually
I'm
going
to
stick
with
suggestions?
Do
you
have
any
suggestions
about
how
what
limitations
this
commission
or
or
methods
that
we
might
use
to
address
the
concerns
that
you
and
your
client
have,
especially
regarding
the
movement
from
some
of
the
people
who
will
be
served
at
the
at
the
shelter
having
to
go
back
and
forth
between
the
shelter
and
the
homeless
alliance's
office
on
Virginia?
A
AC
Now
they
suggested
to
us
and
it
is
included
in
the
materials
and
if
it's
a
little
bit
unclear
that
for
breakfast
and
lunch
the
persons
would
be
directed
over
to
the
West
Town
campus,
so
they
would
for
the
entrance
is
at
third
and
and
Virginia
faces.
Third
in
Virginia
from
the
warehouse
that
is
at
Indiana
and
4th
Street.
So
essentially
they
would
be
going
back
and
forth
as
we
understand
it
to
obtain
meals.
AC
It
is
the
purpose
as
I
understand
it
for
this
facility
to
be
there
and
available
during
freezing
temperatures
when
there
perhaps
as
severe
weather.
So
it
seems
to
us
that
it
would
be
more
appropriate
to
have
the
capability
to
feed
people
at
the
site,
rather
than
direct
them
to
go
out
on
foot
over
to
the
dining
facility
at
the
West
Town
campus.
So
I
guess
that
would
be
the
Principal
concern.
AC
Let
me
just
say
with
respect
to,
we
don't
think
they've
adequately
addressed
the
issue
with
respect
to
security,
with
respect
to
supervision,
with
respect
to
Staffing,
there
they've
added
some
language
which
we
just
received
on
the
20th
of
February,
just
on
Monday
some
language,
that
that
suggests
that
there
will
be
a
level
of
Staffing.
It's
not
clear
from
that
additional
language
when
those
people
would
be
there
whether
they
would
be
there
during
all
times
that
the
facility
is
open.
AC
So
that's
the
kind
of
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
in
our
view,
when
Willard
was
considered,
they
included
conditions.
That
said,
there
would
be
no
overnight
camping
on
the
grounds
they
included
conditions.
There
would
be
no
alcohol
or
drugs
allowed
to
be
brought
into
the
facility.
They
had
specific
requirements
about
security
Staffing.
For
any
time,
the
facility
was
open
24
hours
a
day.
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
conditions
that
you
would
expect
to
be
included
in
a
proposed
emergency
shelter
facility.
AC
The
big
concern
that
we
have
and
as
commissioner
govine
referenced,
we
think
it
will
lead
to
conflicts
and
potential
problems.
If
there
are
a
large
number
of
people
that
are
coming
and
going
from
the
shelter
for
each
meal
of
the
day,
potentially
perhaps
not
dinner,
it
was
suggested
as
I
understand
it
that
maybe
they're
going
to
bring
in
dinner
or
have
it
brought
in
by
the
food
bank
or
others.
That
was
a
little
bit
unclear,
but
in
any
event
we
think
that's
problematic.
AC
A
Y
Yes,
that
we
do
have
the
authority
under
the
code
at
section
59,
14,
150,
that
a
PUD
or
Spud
can
be
considered.
A
special
is
a
special
zoning
district
and
it
can
be
authorized
for
any
use
or
combination
of
uses
that
are
permitted
in
the
chapter.
So
I
think
we
do
have
the
authority
to
do
it
by
a
Patterson.
I.
Agree
that
there
should,
it
should
be
more.
You
could
add
a
lot
of
the
conditions
that
you
would
normally
have
in
a.
F
A
Y
A
F
And
I
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
here
too,
that
this
is
a
an
expansion
of
an
existing
campus
for
an
organization.
That's
providing
much
needed
services
for
the
home
for
the
the
homeless
population
in
our
city
and
it's
not
just
an
emergency
shelter.
The
main
component
of
this
bug
that
we're
reviewing
is
transitional
housing
to
get
people
off
the
streets
so
that
we
don't
have
people
camping
in
the
median
to
the
extent
that
we
do
there.
F
That's
how
I
see
it
anyways
and
so
we're
making
the
bigger
issue
out
of
what's
the
smaller
issue,
which
is
the
emergency
shelter
for
people
when
it's
freezing
outside
so
I'm
in
support
of
this
application.
F
So
I
just
think
it's
worth
saying
that
and
I
want
to
figure
out
how
we
can
get
the
right
language
in
here
to
to.
Hopefully,
if
other
people
agree
move
it
forward,
I.
A
I
think
there
are
two
questions
in
addition
to
that,
commissioner
govane
is
do
do
we
feel
like
we
are
equipped
at
this
moment
to
recommend
the
proper
restrictions
which
means.
Are
we
ready
to
continue
this
and
get
involved
in
this
negotiation
and
impose
these
standards
that
we
may
want,
or
do
we
feel
like?
We
can
do
that
here
and
then?
What?
A
To
what
extent
can
the
applicant
assure
us
that
that
they
can
address
the
issues
that
were
brought
up
because
I
think
that
the
things
that
Kelly
mentioned
are
certainly
things
that
are,
on
my
mind,
for
concern
and
I'd
love
to
hear
how
how
we
can
address
them?.
Z
So
frankly,
Mr
chairman
I'm
glad
you
asked
what
specific
changes
would
you
suggest
we've
been
asking
since
November,
and
here
we
are
at
February
23rd
at
3
30,
and
we
finally
got
an
answer.
So
that's
very
helpful.
We
would
love
to
have
a
commit
Kitchen
in
this
facility.
The
homeless
Alliance
is
a
not-for-profit.
Z
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
money.
We
rely
on
donations
and
other
things.
If
we
had
the
money
to
put
a
kitchen
in
there,
we
would
absolutely
do
so.
We
don't
so
we're
serving
the
folks
that
will
be
there
in
the
best
way
we
can
in
terms
of
no
alcohol
or
drugs.
That
was
the
one
specific
that
I
heard
Mr
work
mention
we're
happy
to
add
that
as
a
requirement
within
this
Spud
Mr
work.
What
have
you
believe
that
the
Spud
process
is
somehow
not
as
thorough
of
a
review
as
a
specific
plan?
Z
Wolf
or
excuse
me
a
yeah
specific
plan?
Of
course
it
is
because
we
have
to
go
through
the
Planning,
Commission
and
ultimately
City
Council.
His
claim
that
this
isn't
eligible
for
a
rezoning.
It
needed
to
be
the
other.
Of
course,
staff
disagrees
because
staff
recommends
approval
with
no
technical
valuations.
We
can
add
the
language
I
read
into
the
record.
Z
So
we
would
respectfully
ask
that
you
approve
it,
add
the
two
Tes
one:
no
alcohol
or
drugs
and
the
other.
What
I
read
into
the
record?
We
are
happy
to
require
any
time.
The
facility
is
open
that
the
contract
security
I
referenced
in
my
piece,
I,
read
into
the
record,
would
be
required
to
be
on
site.
A
Could
you
address
the
overnight
camping?
Could
you
address
the
hours
of
operation
yeah.
AB
A
couple
of
things,
I
would
say
this:
the
the
provision
of
an
emergency
contingency
shelter,
along
with
the
transitional
housing,
is
the
answer
both
short-term
and
long-term,
to
the
concerns
being
expressed
right,
people
won't
Camp
if
they
have
a
shelter
that's
available
to
them.
Why
would
you
stay
in
a
tent
when
it's
20
degrees,
when
there's
a
heated
shelter
in
terms
of
a
kitchen,
Mr
Box
is
absolutely
correct.
A
commercial
kitchen
to
serve
300
would
cost
about
a
half
million
dollars.
AB
I
would
I
would
say
in
when
we
did
Willard
shelter
you
we
brought
food
in.
We
brought
MREs
from
the
food
bank,
we
had
churches
come
in
local
philanthropists,
Steve
Mason
had
iguana
Lounge
bring
in
food,
we'll
bring
food
from
our
day,
shelter
that
does
have
a
commercial
kitchen
and
I
would
say
the
city
care
shelter
on
General
Pershing
does
not
have
a
commercial
kitchen.
It
has
a
serving
kitchen
with
a
a
couple
of
residential
grade
refrigerators
and
a
couple
of
microwaves.
AB
A
kitchen
is
not
needed
for
this
emergency
use
and,
just
as
commissioner
Devine
said,
the
transitional
housing
is
our
long-term
answer
as
a
community
to
unsheltered
homelessness.
A
A
AB
T
A
So
the
language
that
David
read
into
the
record
regarding
security.
So
in
those
hours
when
people
have
been
released
when
the
shelter
is
closed
in
the
morning
and
then
people
leave
the
shelter
is
that
when
there
will
be
security
available
to
assure
that,
you
know
that
we're
addressing
the
possibility
of
people
loitering
around
around
the
businesses
that
are
in
the
area
or.
AB
Z
Do
you
want
me
to
read
that
again,
one
more
time?
Yes,
okay,
so
what
we
would
add
is
section
9
entitled
other
the
following
shall
apply
to
the
Emergency
Shelters
and
feeding
sites
8250.7
use
unit.
Only
there
shall
be
a
maximum
of
300
participants
at
the
facility.
There
shall
be
two
contract
security
staff.
I
guess
we
could
add
the
words
when
operational,
two
shelter
staff
and
one
supervisor
to
oversee
the
operation.
Dinner
meals
will
be
provided
from
the
day,
shelter,
kitchen
volunteer-based
organizations
and
the
regional
Food
Bank.
AD
E
I
did
hear
you
say
that
the
security
would
be
there
during
hours
of
operation,
but
the
hours
of
operation
is
only
going
to
be
6
p.m,
to
7
A.M,
so
the
security
during
the
day.
So
during
the
day,
it's
it's
closed.
It's
not
operational.
There's
no
security.
During
the
day.
No
protection
for
the
three
residents
across
the
street
and.
AB
So
for
the
38
used
housing
complex,
we
would
we
we,
the
homeless
Alliance,
would
be
Staffing
that,
as
well
as
providing
the
tenants
and
the
wraparound
services
that
enable
them
to
to
sustain
their
housing,
and
we
would
anticipate
having
a
security
officer
for
the
housing
complex
which
butts
right
up
against
the
closed
shelter
and
and
expand.
That.
A
E
AB
AB
A
T
A
A
I'm
being
told
by
Council
that
we've
with
the
Willard
facility,
we
did
specify
a
certain
number
a
certain
time
window
of
months
and
and
also
go
ahead.
Susan
I'm,
sorry
I
shouldn't
speak
for
you,
I.
Y
Think
how
we
did
the
Willard
when
we
shelter
it
was
from
certain
months
from
either
like
I,
can't
remember
if
it
was
October
or
it
was
somewhere
around
in
there
to
like
March
to
get
some
some
of
the
months,
and
then
we
had
a
specific
degrees.
If
it
got
below
a
certain
degrees,
then
that
was
but
I
mean
that's
just
how
we
did
that
particular
special
permit.
So.
AB
The
Willard
shelter
is
part
of
its
special
permit
was
we
it
had
to
close
on
March
31st,
which
it
did
I,
don't
recall
a
temperature
requirement.
The
I
would
ask
that
we
not
have
that
in
because,
as
of
today,
kind
of
the
way
we
have
done
this
in
the
past
is
32
degrees
or
below
is
is
when
we
open
overflow.
AB
That
is
particularly
challenging
to
staff.
When
you
can't
tell
your
staff
until
48
hours
before
that
they
need
to
show
up
tonight.
AB
AC
AC
Last
month
after
we
had
met
with
him
and
the
representatives
of
the
homeless,
Alliance
Mr
Box
chose
to
wait
to
respond
to
that
letter
until
Friday,
February
17th,
so
I
received
Mr
Box's
letter.
Over
the
weekend
we
sent
a
letter
back
on
Monday
February
20,
asking
some
additional
questions
about
their
letter
from
February
17.
They
chose
not
to
respond
to
that
letter
at
all,
so
we
haven't
had
a
response
to
that.
AC
So
if
the
suggestion,
which
I
believe
is
what
Mr
Box
was
suggesting,
is
that
we
have
not
been
engaged
in
the
communications
about
trying
to
find
a
resolution
that
simply
is
not
true
and
and
then
I
would
say
in
response
to
Mr
strawn's
comments.
AC
The
Willard,
of
course,
was
never
intended
to
be
a
permanent
facility.
It
was
a
temporary
emergency
shelter,
so
it's
not
surprising
that
they
did
not
make
arrangements
to
do
a
commercial
kitchen
in
a
temporary
facility.
This
is
contemplated
to
be
a
permanent
facility,
a
permanent
emergency
shelter.
That's
what
they're
requesting
this
rezoning
to
establish,
and
so
they
also
made
reference
to
the
fact
that
the
homeless
Alliance
is
a
not
non-profit
and
so
on,
and
that
it
would
cost
money
to
put
in
a
commercial
kitchen.
AC
Well,
they
paid
a
million
six
to
purchase
the
warehouse
just
in
October
of
last
year,
they're
going
to
be
building
these
38
additional
single
residency
occupancy
Apartments.
So
this
is
a
big
project.
There's
a
lot
of
money!
That's
being
invested
here
and
I
understand
that
it's
costly
to
put
in
a
kitchen
that
I
think
it's
an
appropriate
condition
that
should
be
included
as
a
part
of
this.
A
I
mean
I
I,
certainly
appreciate
that
point
and
I'm
certain
we'll
discuss
it.
What
is
your
response
to
the
idea
that
there
is
security
that
they're
going
to
provide
at
the
housing
facility?
That's
next
door
in
order
to
mitigate
those
issues
with
you
know,
loitering
or
any
other
disruption
to
the
businesses
in
the
in
homes
in
the
area?
Well,.
AC
I
think
it
needs
to
be
clearly
stated
that
there
will
be
security
and
also
the
level
of
Staffing
that
will
be
provided
for
the
emergency
shelter
during
the
hours
that
it's
operating.
That
was
done
very
specifically
in
the
Willard
special
permit.
It
addresses
the
Staffing
level
when
they
will
be
present
on
the
facility.
It's
basically.
Whenever
the
facility
is
open
and
in
under
operations,
it
specifies
what
the
Staffing
level
will
be
and
that
there
will
be
security
there
24
hours,
a.
A
AC
I'm
going
to
just
reference
the
language
that
is
used
in
the
Willard
special
permit,
because
I
think
it
appropriate
and
would
be
applicable
they
identify
their
there
shall
be
one
facilities,
manager
and
three
full-time
employees
qualified
to
staff
and
manage
the
clients,
control
their
behavior
and
enforce
all
rules
and
regulations.
Said
staff
shall
remain
on
the
premises
at
all
times.
While
said
facility
is
open
and
being
operated.
AC
A
J
AB
H
Z
Raised
the
question:
when
you
limit
it,
you
know:
Oklahoma's
weather
is
prone
to
be
a
bit
sporadic
as
we've
seen
this
week
right,
75
and
people
playing
golf
yesterday
and
today
it's
freezing
cold.
So
my
client
is
willing
to
make
these
because
we
feel
like
we
have
to,
but
we
would
for
sure
prefer
not
set
strict
requirements.
Z
I'm,
not
sure
how
an
inspector
would
come
out
and
say:
I,
don't
know
what
they
would
do.
I
guess
issue
a
citation
because
it's
seven
degrees
outside
and
it's
701,
so
we'd
have
to
go
fight
at
municipal
court
because
we
were
in
violation
of
the
ordinance.
A
But
I
I
think
from
my
Ben
for
my
my
thoughts
on
this.
Listening
to
that
concern
is
I
I'm
I'm,
open
to
them
having
longers
of
hours
longer
hours
of
operation
so
long
as
we
have
sufficient
language
offering
the
24
the
full
security
throughout
that
entire
period
in
which
they're
expecting
to
serve
people
and
when
people
are
are
not
going,
are
being
escorted
out
like
I
just
need
that
assurance,
and
it
sounds
like
the
existing
language
covers
that.
But.
B
Here:
here's
the
other
thing
to
consider
I
mean
we
were
talking
about
earlier
about
pedestrian
safety
and
deliveries
and
trucks
coming
in
and
out
I
mean,
if
you
close,
the
shelter
at
7.
A.M
you've
got
300
people,
I
mean
that's
prime
time,
for
you
know,
deliveries
and
and
all
that
stuff
to
to
start
the
day.
So,
if
you're
able
to
extend
those
hours
until
10
o'clock
10
a.m,
that
might
help
alleviate
some
of
the
pedestrian
safety
issues.
F
J
Or
I
think
you
can,
you
can
move
maybe
a
little
bit
if
there's
room
to
move
on
both
of
those
there's
only
so
many
units
in
in
the
new
transition
housing
beside
of
it.
But
if
we're
going
to
go
longer
hours
and
not
require
7am
or
take
some
of
those
restrictions
off,
could
maybe
one
of
those
units
be
a
serving
area?
Be
a
food
area
be
a
kitchen
area?
Could
it
it
is
that
an
option?
No.
Z
I
mean
so
the
housing
has
a
specific
purpose,
separate
apart
from
the
shelter,
so
we
can't
mix
the
two.
My
understanding
is
that
most,
if
not
all
the
concern
really
deals
with
the
warehouse
where
the
the
emergency
shelter
use
will
be,
and
yes
to
your
point,
it's
the
confines
of
dates
on
a
calendar
is
a
much
easier
way
to
manage
a
facility
like
this
than
degrees
or
hours.
F
I
I,
just
to
me,
it's
I
feel
like
we're
we're
not
moving
forward
and
it's
not
necessary
for
this.
The
other
thing
about
I
thought
we
addressed
the
traffic
in
that
they're
actually
going
to
bring
the
meals
into
the
warehouse
from
the
commercial
kitchen
that
they
already
have.
No,
you
know
200
yards
away
only.
T
AC
I
think
that's
less
a
concern
that
we
have
than
that
it
be
adequately
supervised
yeah,
that
is
the
emergency
shelter
we're
less
concerned
about
when
people
are
going
to
be
coming
and
going
than
we
are
that
there's
going
to
be
adequate
supervision
now
we're
still
I
still
would
like
to
get
some
clarification
about
the
what's
going
to
happen
with
regard
to
meals
and
people,
traveling
back
and
forth
between
the
emergency
shelter
and
the
West
Town
campus,
where
there
is
a
kitchen
and
dining
area.
AC
Their
program,
description
that
is
included
with
the
Spud
just
makes
the
comment
it
says
break
now.
This
may
only
have
reference
to
the
apartments,
the
38
new
apartments,
but
it
does
say
breakfast
and
lunch
will
be
accessible
to
tenants
Monday
through
Friday
on
the
West
Town
campus
one
block
away,
and
then
in
the
description
on
the
emergency
shelter,
it
says
this
space
will
not
provide
kitchen
Services,
as
those
services
are
available,
one
block
away
at
the
West
Town
campus.
So
we
just
would
like
to
get
some
clarification
about.
What
is
the
plan?
AC
What
is
contemplated
here?
We
do
believe
the
best
solution
would
be
to
require
that
they
have
a
commercial
kitchen
and
be
available
be
able
to
serve
people
at
the
emergency
shelter
where
they're
going
to
be
staying
during
the
freezing
temperatures.
But
in
any
event
there
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
creating
a
conflict
with
what
they've
described
in
their
Spud
and
what
we're
discussing
today.
Z
What
Dan
described
Logistics
in
terms
of
the
kitchen
Mr
work
made
reference
to
what
was
paid
I,
assume
that
everybody
knows
this,
but
it
and
that
it's
common
knowledge,
the
funds
that
were
used
to
acquire
this
was
from
a
single
donor
that
was
very
generous
in
paying
to
acquire
this
site.
So
it's
not
like
the
homeless
Alliance
has
two
million
dollars
sitting
around
to
go.
Do
this
a
single
donor
provided
this
opportunity,
so
you
want
to
kind
of
explain
the
logistics
of
that.
AB
I
do
want
to
see
in
in
that
single
donor
provided
the
homeless
alliance
with
the
funds
to
acquire
the
warehouse
and
begin
their
Innovations
to
turn
it
into
a
shelter.
The
homeless
Alliance
does
not
own
the
the
property
to
the
west,
where
the
housing
will
be
we're,
not
developing
the
housing.
We
won't
own
the
housing.
We
will
provide
the
supervision
of
those
tenants
in
the
housing,
we'll
provide
the
tenants
and
we'll
provide
the
wraparound
services
that
those
tenants
need
to
sustain
their
housing.
AB
AB
So
the
provision
of
of
dinner
at
the
shelter
is
I
from
my
perspective
well
handled
for
meal
service
for
the
tenants
in
the
housing.
Those
are
people
that
are
living
in
an
apartment,
just
like
you
and
me
right,
and
they
can
certainly
go
to
the
day
shelter
for
breakfast
and
for
lunch.
There
we
have
several
house
neighbors
that
live
in
the
area
that
come
to
the
day,
shelter
for
breakfast
and
lunch
before
they
go
to
work
and
for
dinner,
they're
going
to
be
on
their
own,
just
like
any
other
tenant
would
be
okay.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
Commissioners.
We
we
have
discussed
this
thoroughly,
I
think
there's
there's
only
there's.
We
have
to
make
one
critical
choice.
Do
we
have
enough
information
to
make
to
approve
this
today
or
do
we
do
a
continuance
I?
Can
we
get
a
shake
of
hands?
Are
we
feeling
confident
that
the
language
that's
been
provided
is
sufficient
for
us
to
make
a
decision
today?
A
It
is
for
me.
Okay
seems
like
we
got
a
majority
here.
So,
given
the
language
that's
been
offered
so
far,
are
there
any
changes
that
we
would
like
to
see
made
in
order
to
address
the
issues
that
have
been
brought
up
specifically,
Kelly
has
brought
up
the
issue
of
requiring
a
kitchen.
A
I
am
sensitive
to
the
working
for
a
non-profit
myself,
I'm,
certainly
sensitive
to
the
idea
that
you
may
not
be
able
to
afford
to
do
that
so
I'm
open
to
an
alternative
so
long
as
there's
sufficient
security
and
effort
to
to
deal
with
again
people
having
that
are
going
to
be
released
at
7
A.M.
As
commissioner
Hinkle
was
saying,
you
know
having
a
place
to
go,
and
still
you
know
ensuring
that
people
have
some
place
to
are
not
in
the
way
of
the
businesses
that
are
operating.
A
Z
F
F
AC
F
AC
F
AC
A
Z
AC
A
That
at
this
point,
that's
what
they're
saying
they
they
want
us
to
do.
Okay,
I
think,
in
order
for
us
to
build
consensus,
I
think
appreciate
both
of
you.
I
think
we
just
need
to
just
decide.
Where
are
we
on
the
language?
I
cannot
make
a
motion
on
for
how
we
should
proceed,
but
I
think
that
the
language
that's
been
read
into
the
record
addresses
addresses
the
concerns
that
we
had
particularly
again
I
I'm
sensitive
to
the
commercial
kitchen
issue.
A
I
discussed
that
with
Mr
work
before
it
sounds
like
the
language
that
they're
proposing
gives
us
sufficient
Staffing
to
address
those
issues
that
were
my
concern,
which
is
people
are
going,
are
released
at
7,
A.M
or
whatever
time
and
they're
needing
to
go
back
and
forth
to
the
homeless
alliance's
primary
facility
is.
Are
there?
A
Is
there
sufficient
Staffing
to
ensure
that
it's
not
disruptive
to
the
people
in
the
other
people
who
live
and
work
in
the
neighborhood,
and
it
sounds
like
the
answer
to
that
question
is
yes,
there
is
Staffing
any
anything
else
on
this
and
I'm
not
trying
to
rush
us
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear.
So
we
can
move
forward.
F
I
heard
a
security
address,
drugs
and
alcohol,
adding
that
te
and
I
think
those
were
the
key
issues.
Are
we
imposing
the
dates
of
operation?
Is
that.
AE
F
Well,
can
I
make
a
motion,
absolutely
I
I'm,
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
to
approve
I
forgot
what
it's
called
Spud
1464,
including
the
additional
language
about
security
Personnel,
a
minimum
of
two
on
site
during
all
hours
of
operation
of
the
shelter,
in
addition
to
the
one
full-time
security
Personnel
at
the
house,
transitional
housing
I
know
there's
a
number
of
other
statements
there
that
I'm
not
going
to
get
if
I
try
to
repeat
them
all
the
dates
of
November
1st
to
March
31st.
F
Z
What
I
had
read
was
adding
section
9
entitled
other
the
following
shall
apply
to
the
Emergency
Shelters
and
feeding
sites
8250.7
use
unit.
Only
there
shall
well
yeah.
There
shall
be
a
maximum
of
300
participants
at
the
facility
at
all
times.
When
the
facility
is
operational,
there
shall
be
two
contract
security
staff,
two
shelter
staff,
one
supervisor
to
oversee
the
operation.
H
A
Z
A
Okay,
the
motion
is
clear
to
me:
is
there
a
second
second
by
commissioner
Hinkle
police
cast
your
vote
some
available.
A
Thank
you.
The
motion
passes.
It
sounds
like
I'm
sure
there
will
be
some
further
discussion
about
this,
as
it
goes
on
to
to
city,
council
and
happy
to
be
a
part
of
those
conversations
as
well.
Let's
go
on
to
item
17.
G
AG
Good
afternoon
Mr,
chairman
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Colin
McCormick
1004,
Northwest
139th
Street.
Here
today
on
behalf
of
Tony
Family
Dentistry
on
the
sbud
1494,
looking
to
rezone
the
property
from
C3
to
just
really
include
two
additional
uses,
one
would
be
for
an
automotive
Mall
as
well
as
light
repairs,
there's
been
I,
think
five
Tes
that
have
been
submitted.
We've
all
agreed
to
that
I,
don't
believe.
There's
any
protests,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
ask
the
Commissioners
for
their
approval.
A
Thank
you
and
we
do
have
one
person
signed
up
to
oppose
this
request,
but
this
is
in
Ward
four
commissioner
privet.
Yes,.
A
To
hear
from
him
their
concerns
before
we
do
that
any
questions
from
Commissioners
for
the
applicant,
okay,
Raleigh,
nanetti
and
again
I
apologize
if
I,
if
I
mispronounced
your
name,
you
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
commission.
Please
give
us
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AH
So
if
you
look
at
the
map,
my
house,
that
I
own
is
right
completely
surrounded
by
the
property
in
question
on
that.
Is
it
yes,
on
the
Southeast
side
and
I
just
received
this
in
the
mail
that
there
was
a
zoning
request
to
have
it
completely
rezoned
as
a
C3
or
commercial
property,
and
immediately
concerned
about
the
auto
Zone,
you
know
asking
to
put
an
an
automotive
sorry,
an
automotive
dealership,
on
this
property,
because
my
house
will
be
bordered
on
two
sides
by
an
auto
dealership.
AH
So
I've
looked
up
immediately
like
what
can
I
possibly
do
about
this
because
I
don't
know
anything
about
local
government
and
and
it's
it
seemed
like
the
strongest
argument
I
could
make.
Is
that
usually
rezoning
requests,
especially
commercial
rezoning
requests
are
driven
by
necessity
and
there
is
no
necessity
for
C3
property
in
this
area
directly
across
from
59th
Street
that
entire
lot
area
there
is
a
commercially
zoned
and
for
sale.
There
are
for
sale
signs
on
it.
AH
So
it
seems
as
though
this
is
not
a
necessary
re-zoning
I'm
concerned
about
several
issues.
Having
an
auto
dealership
surrounding
my
house,
I
have
three
small
children
so
light
and
sound
pollution
coming
from
auto
dealerships,
I
mean
as
a
necessity
of
an
auto
dealership
and
theft.
Issues
like
it
has
to
be
lit.
I
understand
that
I'm
also
concerned
about
just
the
safety
of
having
the
clientele
and
people
around
and
so
near
my
property.
AH
AH
But
that
is
that's
just
my
take
on
it.
I'm
I'm
just
concerned
as
a
homeowner
about
how
it's
going
to
affect
my
life.
A
Thank
you,
I
I
will
say
luckily
certainly
understand
those
concerns,
and
luckily
this
is
an
Spud.
So
we
have
some
authority
to
make
some
some
changes.
Let's
see
what
we
could
possibly
do
about
the
those
concerns.
A
AG
I
could
I
sure
could
speak
to
at
least
a
few
of
them
I'm.
Also
a
father
and
a
parent,
and
so
I
have,
you
know,
can
completely
understand
and
empathize
with
those
concerns
with
your
children.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
safe,
certainly
in
the
master
design
statement,
part
of
the
Tes,
was
to
address
some
sight-proof
fencing
along
the
north
side
of
the
track,
anything
that
was
adjacent
to
residential
property,
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
where
her
property
is
I,
believe
there
would
be
fencing
along
that
section
of
the
property
two
right.
AG
Now,
it's
a
six
to
eight
foot
sight,
proof
fence,
as
well
as
the
Landscaping
which
would
beautify
the
area.
It's
my
understanding
that
this
property
has
kind
of
been
neglected
for
some
time,
so
we're
hoping
to
revitalize
it
and
make
it
nice
not
just
for
the
other
property
owners,
but
you
know
for
the
owner
itself.
So
those
would
be
two
things
in
terms
of
any
of
the
light
and
sound
again.
I
think
that
would
be
remediated
to
quite
a
bit
of
degree
by
using
the
sight
proof,
fencing.
A
I
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
enough
and
I
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
either.
Unless
we
have
some
suggestions
today,
my
vote's
going
to
be
to
continue
this
and
actually
have
a
discussion
about
proper
screening.
I
think
you're
going
to
need
a
landscape
buffer
I
think
you're
going
to
need
more
than
just
the
fence,
other
other
thoughts
and
the
lights.
That's
a.
J
AG
A
A
AH
AH
May
have
a
gold
I
I'm,
my
husband
and
I
understand
that
commercial
properties
are
all
along
the
street
and
that's
completely.
We
understand
that
I
think
we're
we're
mostly
concerned
about
that
that
first
piece
of
land
on
Robinson
and
being
completely
surrounded.
AH
So
we
would
be
happy
if
the
division
is
something
that's
interesting
to
the
council
with
having
just
the
the
rectangular
piece
off
of
59th
turned
into
this
commercial
property,
but
leaving
that
small
L-shaped
piece
that
is
off
of
Robinson
zoned
as
a
residential,
so
that
it
could.
It
could
be
sold
and
then
turned
into
some
kind
of
residential
property.
L
AG
A
AG
A
I
I
would
like
to
say
you
know.
Normally
we
agree
irrigate
these
kind
of
uses.
The
the
map
that
I'm
looking
at
doesn't
show
me
other
car
dealerships
in
this
area.
This
is
not
the
kind
of
use
that
you
want
to
introduce
into
an
area
because
they're
like
bunnies,
they
proliferate
and
I,
really
really
think
it
would
be
a
great
place
for
an
off
dental
office.
For
instance,
it's
not
a
great
place
for
a
car
dealership.
I
If
it's
going
to
be
on
this
site,
it's
going
to
require
some
pretty
tight
more
than
screening,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
well
set
out
well
designed
to
avoid
the
kind
of
intrusion
that
it
that
car
dealerships
co-pilot
the
one
at
39th
in
May
any
night,
and
you
can
sit
in
your
car
and
read
a
newspaper
three
blocks
away.
I
mean
we
have
requirements,
I'm
sure
they'll
follow
them,
but
it's
just
not
enough
to
protect
residential
property
that
backs
right
up
to
it.
B
Oh
I
was
just
going
to
Echo
what
commissioner
power
said
if
you,
if
you've,
driven
down
39th
expressway
anytime
in
the
last
few
years,
I'm
sure
you've
noticed
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
demolished
buildings
and
there
seems
to
be
a
new
trend
in
these
50
by
50
tilt
up
wall,
Office
Buildings
that
serve
as
a
dealership
office.
And
then
just
you
know
they
put
a
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
the
site
and
then
ring
it
in
cars
and
I've.
B
A
L
Yeah
I,
don't
think
Ryan
gets
here
with
the
current
layout.
You
want
to
make
motion
yeah
I'll,
make
a
mission
and
how
much
of
a
continuance
would
you
like.
A
Commissioner,
privates
moved
to
continue
SPD
1494
to
the
March
9th
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
motion's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
Claire.
Please
cast
your
votes
available.
T
A
R
Caitlyn
Turner
522
call
Court
Drive
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
This
is
an
application
to
rezone
the
subject
property
to
allow
for
some
office.
Warehouse
I
want
to
point
out
that
to
the
east
we
have
an
electric
substation
to
the
north
is
a
detention
Pond
West
is
Oklahoma
County
and
then
South
is
actually
zoned
for
multi-family.
There's
commercial
in
the
hard
corner
staff
recommends
approval.
There
have
been
no
Tes
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you.
This
is
Ward
8,
commissioner
Noble.
A
A
K
J
G
V
Z
Z
Why
we
have
this
map
is,
although
staff
recommends
that
we
amend
the
comprehensive
plan
or
attempt
to
do
so
and
apply
for
an
ra2
application.
If
you
look
at
this
map
everywhere,
you
see
that
is
yellow
is
an
RA
approved
application
and
why
I
think
that's
instructive
is,
if
you
were
to
look
at
this
map
and
look
at
the
area.
I
would
submit
that
the
ra
development
type
is
what
the
predominant
development
type
is
in
this
area,
so
immediately
south
of
the
turnpike.
What
makes
up
the
balance
of
the
quarter
section?
Z
If
you
look
at
that
piece
of
paper
that
I
handed
out
and
specifically
look
to
the
recommendation
on
page
nine,
it
is
amend
the
application
to
ra2
or
continue
the
application
in
order
to
submit
a
conference
of
plan
Amendment.
Z
That
was
the
recommendation
of
Staff.
When
that
matter
came
before
you,
you
at
the
Planning
Commission
declined
to
follow
that
recommendation.
You
recommended
approval,
and
now
you
can
see
on
the
math
before
you
that
the
city
council
likewise
approved
the
application.
Z
Much
like
they've
done
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
here
and
here,
and
if
we
went
a
little
further
you'd
see
more,
it's
important
to
note
that
one
of
the
protesters
that
you're
going
to
hear
from
owns
the
property
at
the
northwest
corner
of
the
intersection
that
individual
in
1984
sought
to
rezone
his
property
to
C3
on
the
front
ra
on
the
back.
Exactly
what
we
seek
to
do
here
today,
the
neighbors
that
are
going
to
protest
that
live
on
the
North
side.
Z
Memorial
Road,
it's
worth
noting
that
one
we
are
separated
by
Memorial
two.
They
have
ra
to
their
West
and
ra
of
budding
their
back
property
line,
so
to
say
that
what
we
have
is
incompatible
I
would
say,
is
simply
inaccurate
and
fails
to
take
into
account
all
of
the
recent
applications
that
have
been
approved
by
this
Planning
Commission
in
Ultimate
City
Council.
Additionally,
these
aren't
relics
of
old
zonings.
Again,
this
one
is
in
the
last
12
months.
This
one
is
within
the
last
18
months
and
this
one
is
within
the
last
two
years.
Z
A
Thank
you
why?
Let
me
ask
several
questions
and
I
I
have
met
with
the
neighbors
with
at
least
some
of
them
and
I
know.
I've
had
conversations
with
you
David
about
this
development.
A
Why
don't
you
share
with
me
number
one
I
think
there's
going
to
be.
There
are
concerns
about,
despite
the
fact
that
there
is
similar
zoning
across
the
streets.
There
are
concerns
about
developing
the
hard
corner
of
Memorial
and
Midwest
Boulevard
as
C3.
Why
C3?
Why
not
C1?
Why
not
something
less
intense
that
may
protect
the
neighbors
that
are
immediately
adjacent.
Z
Well,
I
I,
guess:
yc3
you've
seen
several
applications
just
today
of
C3
adjacent
to
the
turnpike
in
the
eastern
part
of
Oklahoma
County,
and
here
we're
adjacent
to
the
turnpike
and
Midwest
Boulevard,
where
you
have
high
volumes
of
traffic
is
where
you
would
like
to
locate
C3.
Presumably
that's
why
the
city
council
approved
C3
right,
caddy
corner
from
this
site.
Z
You
know
the
the
other
thing
briefly
Mr
chair.
If
we
look
at
the
conference
plan,
one
of
the
flaws
I
think
that
we
have
is
the
ra
zoning
District
does
not
have
a
designation
that
supports
it.
You
have
rural
medium
and
Rollo.
Rollo
is
a
five
acre
minimum
rural
medium
is
a
two
acre
minimum.
The
next
designation
down
is
the
urban
low.
You
of
course
have
Urban
High
Urban
medium,
which
are
more
centrally
located,
but
Urban
low,
contemplates
full
city
services
sewer
water.
Z
Typically,
when
you
have
an
urban
low
designation,
you're
likely
to
see
six
thousand
square
foot,
Lots
you're
likely
to
see
much
more
dense
development.
So
where
does
that
leave
us?
When
we
look
at
this
map,
everything
you
see
in
yellow
has
no
designation.
That
fits
it
in
the
comp
plan,
yet
it's
a
popular
development
Trend
when
we
think
about
the
fights
we
normally
have.
It's
developers
that
are
trying
to
get
half
acre
lots
with
aerobic
it
seldom
that
the
one
acre
lots.
A
It
was
also
brought
to
my
attention
by
the
neighbors
a
concern
about
the
condition
of
Memorial
Road.
Could
you
address
the
condition
of
Memorial
Road
and
any
strategies
that
that
or
or
mitigation
measures
that
might
be
done
to
address
any
concerns
about
the
quality
of
that
road,
the
traffic
on
that
road
and
then,
while
you're
at
it?
Can
you
also
address
it
was
brought
to
my
attention?
Some
concerns
about
the
the
aquifer,
the
and
the
Green
Space.
That's
in
this
in
this
parcel
as
well.
Could.
Z
So,
in
terms
of
the
street
Network,
we
will
of
course
be
required
to
pay
impact
fees.
The
old
way
that
the
city
did
it
was
require
developments
of
a
certain
level
to
perform
a
traffic
impact
analysis
and
whatever
the
traffic
impact
analysis
said,
a
developer
would
be
required
to
do.
It
was
considered
to
be
inequitable
because
oftentimes,
the
last
developer
to
the
corner
was
left,
holding
the
bag
having
to
do
all
the
improvements.
Z
So
rather
the
city
implemented
a
traffic
impact
analysis
on
them
themselves
and
charged
developers,
impact
fees,
the
impact
fees
go
to
some
sort
of
general
fund
so
that
the
Public
Works
division
has
Monies
to
put
towards
traffic
improvements
when
needed,
I
would
point
out
in
their
staff
report.
Of
course,
this
gets
sent
to
All
departments,
including
the
traffic
management
division
of
Public
Works.
They
did
not
respond
with
any
negative
comments.
A
Perez
and
the
aquifer.
Z
Yeah
so
we'll
have
to
come
plat
this.
The
tree
preservation
issue
is
a
is
one
that
has
no
good
answer
right,
because
there's
no
requirement
that
any
tree
remain
today.
Z
Any
developer
will
tell
you
it's
much
easier
and
cheaper
to
keep
the
trees
that
are
on
site.
Certainly,
as
they
go
develop,
this
some
trees
will
have
to
be
removed,
but
these
are
of
the
larger
Lots.
These
are
acre
lots
and
so
because
they're
acre
lots
you're
likely
more
likely
to
have
trees
preserved.
Z
The
same
argument
was
made
on
this
tract
in
terms
of
the
aquifer
issue.
We
had
studies
that
were
done.
This
is
the
same
developer
for
what
it's
worth
the
production
rate
of
this
aquifer
on
the
test.
Wells
was
considered
prolific,
meaning
more
than
adequate
supply
of
water
for
this
site.
So
we
have
no
concern
with
it.
The
client
in
his
due
diligence
confirmed
that
there's
no
concern
he
couldn't
put
Lots
on
the
ground
if
there
was
an
issue
with
the
water,
so
again,
prolific
is
what
these
are
considered.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
from
commissions
before
we
hear
from
the
from
our
neighbors.
A
Okay,
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
Kirk
Whitman.
You
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
commission.
Please
give
us
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AI
I've
been
in
this
area
since
I
think
80.,
five
or
six
and
had
this
the
40,
the
40
acres
across
the
street
zoned
by
his
dad,
and
it
was
85
I
think,
and
it
was
already
one
there
probably
wasn't.
10
people
within
a
mile
of
me
that
lived
there
in
any
directions
and
I
had
two
partners
in
the
land,
so
they
wanted
to
do
one
acre,
so
I
went
along
with
one
acre
and
then
I
think
a
year
later
they
wanted
to
do
commercial
on
the
corner.
AI
So
I
went
along
with
that
and
then
about
five
years
later,
I
decided
that
I
wanted
to
build
on
several
Lots
Big
House
on
several
Lots,
and
they
wanted
to
put
a
jet
ski
repair
shop
on
the
corner
and
the
corner
commercial
corner
and
I
said
no
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
on
that
corner.
This
is
country
and
I'm
going
to
take
more
than
one
acre,
so
I
had
to
file
a
partition,
suit
and
suit
them.
AI
They
settled
they
assigned
me
all.
The
land
I
later
put
a
fence
around
the
entire
40
acres.
The
commercial
has
not
been
developed,
I,
don't
plan
on
developing
it,
I,
don't
plan
on
developing
the
land,
even
though
the
lot
sizes
are
much
bigger
than
what
I've
seen
that
they're
proposing
I.
Think
it's
like
1.8
Acres
a
lot.
The
first
exhibit
there
is
the
protest
and
it
goes
with
exhibit
one
and
two
are
basically
the
same.
AI
It's
everybody
that
lives
adjoining
this
piece
of
property.
Every
single
property
owner
does
not
want
this
to
occur.
They
don't
want
the
commercial,
they
don't
want.
Three-Quarter
acre,
not
one
acre,
three-quarter,
acre
lots
across
the
street.
The
plant
I've,
seen
you'll,
see
in
a
minute
shows
that
there's
like
26
Lots
less
than
an
acre.
It's
no
Retention
Ponds.
No,
nothing!
We
have
no
PUD,
we
don't
know
what's
going
in
if
you'll
as
we
go
along,
I'll
show
you
some
more
but
the,
but
that
exhibit
two
shows
everybody's
lot
and
how
much
they
own.
AI
We
talk
about
precedent.
Well,
yeah
mine
was
done
in
the
80s.
What's
happened,
30
40
50
years
ago
and
approved
by
the
city
doesn't
mean
they
have
to
approve
it.
Today
there
was
mistakes
made
I'm
sure
on
numerous
properties,
30
40
50
years
ago,
I'm
sure
there
was
oil
wells
drilled
on
one
acre.
Spacing
you
can't
do
that
anymore.
Okay,
things
happened.
Once
it's
approved,
it's
approved
you're,
the
only
ones
that
can
stop
it.
The
next
one
is
little
Oaks,
2,
Edition,
I,
think
one
of
the
yellow
ones.
AI
There
is
little
Oaks
one
Henry
love
filed
on
that
in
the
90s,
the
commission,
the
Planning
Commission
staff
decided
they're
going
to
pick
this
low
development.
No
more
one
acre
lots.
We
went
to
the
commission,
we
fought
it,
we
won
and
they
were
declined
and
they
walked
away.
Now.
There's
six
houses:
six
of
my
neighbors
on
five
acre
to
ten
acre
lots
across
the
street.
That's
just
directly
north
directly,
south
there
was
a
25
acre
track.
AI
Fred
Hensley
was
going
to
put
five
acres
commercial
on
the
corner
and
he
was
going
to
put
25
acres
or
20
something
Acres
of
one
acre
lot.
I
said
you
can't
get
it
done:
Fred
you're,
a
friend
of
mine.
He
went
to
the
Planning
Commission,
they
said
no,
now,
there's
three
houses
over
there
on
10,
10
and
5
Acres
I
think
approximately
three
new
houses,
so
that
explains
what
the
recent
past
the
area
now.
AI
What
happened
here
recently
I
didn't
know
anything
about
the
additions
that
they
got
approved
south
of
the
turnpike
I
have
no
idea
what
happened
there.
The
other
Edition
was
the
shoreline.
Edition
I,
don't
know
how
that
got
approved.
The
staff
told
me
they
were
not
going
to
recommend
it.
I
didn't
show
up,
I
wrote
a
letter
of
protest
and
they
put
in
21
houses
right
on
the
floodplain
I
mean
just
right
above
it
50
feet
of
relief
in
400
feet.
I
won't
go
into
that.
That's
passed,
that's
done.
AI
AI
A
three-quarter
acre
on
16
Lots,
less
than
one
acre
on
26
Lots
I,
asked
him
in
a
meeting.
I
said:
does
this
account
for
the
turnpike
expansion
the
turnpike
expansion
is
coming
they're
going
to
do
it
next
year,
I've
talked
to
them.
Okay,
that's
going
to
take
30
40
feet
out
of
this
block.
Next
one
is
a
flood
map,
a
drainage
flow
map,
you'll
see
ponds
and
drainage,
Fields
all
coming
from
this
high
spot.
Every
bit
of
it
goes
in
the
aquifer.
The
next
one
is
a
doctorate
at
OSU.
AI
Writing
a
letter
saying
these
aerobic
systems.
Don't
work,
I
got
proof.
I
got
proof.
I
got
proof.
I
got
another
one.
After
that,
another
engineer:
PE
they
don't
work.
You
need
more
space.
You
need
two
to
three
to
four
acres.
You
don't
can't
do
it
on
three
quarters
of
an
acre.
If
you
have
a
pool,
you
got
all
these
roads
and
how
do
you
take
care
of
the
commercial
lots
of
cement
lots
of
concrete
and
a
roof
where's
the
sprinkler
system
going
where's
the
water?
AI
Well,
how
are
you
going
to
protect
that
everything's
flowing
downhill
to
my
neighbors
everything,
and
then
it
goes
across
my
land.
You
look
at
that
exhibit
with
the
with
the
floodplain
on
it
everything
flows
down
hill
and
end
to
the
the
the
lake
the
water
supply.
It
goes
across
my
land.
These
are
wetlands
designated,
so
I
asked
you
to
get
a
pet
putt
or
you
deny
it
and
I'll
await
your
decision.
I
think
there's
a
few
other
people
would
like
to
talk.
C
C
All
the
way,
through
Lake
Arcadia
through
several
neighborhoods,
we
have
two
ponds.
Pond
there
upon
there
quite
a
bit.
There
is
a
two
foot,
drainage
pipe
that
goes
across
Memorial
across
that
property.
So
obviously
that
water
goes
into
my
property
and
it
it
is
subject
to
flooding.
We
have
been
close
to
flooding,
it's
been
close
to
getting
in
our
garage,
Downstream
they've
flooded
before
at
least
twice
I
know
of
over
the
10
years
that
I've
lived
there
12.
C
Actually
so
I,
don't
know
how
long
you
guys
have
been
on
the
council,
but
when
we
moved
there
in
2010
there
was
a
Environmental
Conservation
Area.
It
was
from
dated
from
2000
to
2020
being
relevant
to
2030.,
and
it
everything
it
says-
I
mean
I,
can
stand
here
and
read
the
whole
thing
to
you:
limited
use
from
the
Environmental
Conservation
Area,
here's
a
map
of
it,
which
you
can't
really
see
I,
don't
know
all
that's
in
that
zone
goes
from
the
deep
Fork
all
the
way
to
to
the
Tinker
to
the
Tinker
stream.
C
That
goes
also
into
Lake
Arcadia.
That's
called
it
simple
and
that's
our
Oklahoma
City
did
that
plan
in
2000,
and
then
they
did
another
one
in
2015
and
still
reiterated
five
acre
development,
five
acre
homes,
very
limited
commercial
use.
It's
and
it's
that's
the
biggest
thing.
That's
my
biggest
thing
is
that
we
move
out
there
and
it's
like
sure,
they've
done
some
other
developments,
but
they
shouldn't
have
I
mean
just
because
they
made
mistakes.
C
You
know
previously
doesn't
mean
they
need
to
continue
to
keep
reducing
the
Lots
and
as
far
as
the
study
goes,
I
don't
know
what
their
study
came
from
about
the
water
but
I,
don't
know
any
of
you
guys
say
that
we
got
plenty
of
water
seriously.
We've
got
plenty
of
water,
no
studies
do
that
I
mean
no,
so
limited
use
within
the
designated
environmental
accounts
varies.
C
Just
public
open
space
crops,
grazing
Recreation,
five
acre
track
residential
and
that's
that's
that's
my
biggest
beef
is
that
there
probably
more
people
would
be
protesting,
but
we
all
live
on
five,
ten
acre
lots
and
so
I'm
not
sure
what
the
requirement
is
for
this
development,
but
the
one
across
the
street
I
didn't
get
a
letter.
That's
that's
an
eighth
of
a
mile
from
me
no
letter
from
the
the
120
or
whatever
Acres
on
the
other
side
of
I-44.
So
you
know
across
the
street
there's
only
eight
people
that
live
there.
C
Eight
homes
I
believe
you
know
so
it
just
seems
like
that.
They're
going
against
the
what
the
land
use
has
designated
for
that
a
long
time
ago,
and
none
of
those
things
have
changed,
we're
not
less
polluted
we're
not
have
more
water,
we
don't
have
more
Wildlife,
we
don't
have
more
trees.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
things
and
that'll.
Just
you
know:
they'll
just
be
raised
their
their
plot.
C
They're
they're
the
plant
that
I
saw
they're
all
showing
one
half
to
three
quarter:
acre
lots
and
I.
Just
think
that
it's
a
travesty
and
I
think
again
there
would
be
poor.
More
people
would
oppose
it
if
they
knew
about
it.
That's
pretty
much.
All
I
have
to
say
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
Oh
I
do
question.
Does
anybody?
Does
anybody
know
about
the
Environmental
Conservation
Area?
Has
anybody
ever
seen
that
in
the
20
years
that's
been
on
the
government?
C
C
C
C
I
mean
it's
I,
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
expand
the
when
they
do
the
highway,
but
you
can't
see
you
know:
I've
seen
three
deaths
in
that
area
since
I've
lived
there,
one
in
my
front
yard.
Obviously
everybody
knows
about
Aubry
that
was
McLendon,
I'm
sure
everybody
knows
who
he
is
and
it's
it's.
It's
rural
people
drive
fast
people,
don't
expect
to
see
a
lot
of
cars
other
than
deer,
and
you
know
woods
and
things
like
that.
So
we
like
it
like
it
is.
C
I
I
I
C
AJ
A
problem
I
get
it
all
the
time,
I'm,
actually
a
realtor
who
has
helped
purchase
about
30
35
Acres
across
the
street,
with
one
of
my
clients
since
2014.
so
I'm
here
to
speak
on
their
behalf
because
they
actually
live
in
Australia
and
they're.
Only
they're,
not
here,
full
time.
They
purchased
the
property,
their
family
lives
over
there
and
two
of
the
houses
and.
AJ
T
A
AJ
But
you
know
my
client
I
think
they
also
sent
the
letter
into
the
Planning
Commission
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
that
one,
but
you
know
their
concerns
are
follow.
The
plan
I
mean
the
commission.
The
city
set
out
a
plan
years
ago
with
the
five
acres
and
they
would
really
like
to
see
that
plan
enforced,
because
that's
why
they
purchased
all
that
acreage
over
there.
It
was
they're
all
similar
acreages
they
own.
AJ
You
know
different
lots
of
15
five
here:
five
there
ten
there
that
sort
of
thing,
as
well
as
all
the
other
neighbors
right
directly
across
the
street,
so
they'd
really
like
to
see
that
and
they'd
also
like
to
see
a
PUD,
which
we
have
tried
to
talk
to
the
developer
as
no
success
on
anything
like
that.
But
your
own
staff
report
addresses
the
forestry
and
it
says
in
there
that
the
lots
are
not
consistent.
What
the
plan
was.
So
you
know
the
forestry
alone
we'd
like
to
see
how
does
that
play
out?
AJ
What
does
that
look
like
on
those
lots
if
they're
going
to
make
them
that
small
we
have?
We
have
no
idea,
we've
not
seen
that
so
that's
their
concern
it
as
well
as
a
traffic
that
other
neighbors
have
talked
about.
It's
very
dangerous
road.
The
mail
stopped
delivering
to
my
client's
property
because
it's
too
dangerous,
so
they
don't
even
stop
it
and
you
can't
see
over
the
hill.
So
those
are
all
things
under
the
traffic
and
all
those
other
studies
will
address
the
other
letter
from
Kim
Horton
who
just
lives
directly
across
the
street.
AJ
We
did
have
a
meeting
with
the
Developers
but
I'm
just
going
to
read
her
letter
for
her.
Since
she
cannot
be
here,
she
moved
out
to
the
area
for
a
reason
she
moved
out
to
the
country
to
get
away
from
dense
population
and
the
commercial
properties
that
come
with
it.
We
moved
out
here
to
my
family,
especially
my
three-year-old
son,
can
enjoy
the
trees,
the
animals
and
the
Wide
Open
Spaces
away
from
the
hustle
and
bustle
of
town.
I
really
wish.
All
of
you
could
see
the
area,
especially
the
Midwest
Boulevard
Memorial
intersection.
AJ
It's
Rolling
Hills
trees
with
large,
open
Lots.
Okay.
So
you
must
agree
that
this
character
is
important
to
preserve,
as
the
proposed
rezoning
areas
classified
as
rural
low
density
intensity,
which
means
the
city
lots
to
be
a
minimum
of
five
acres
and
that
any
commercial
property
would
not
negatively
impact
the
rural
residential
character,
I
believe
legal
representation
representation
for
the
hopeful
developers
of
this
area
said
it
best
when
they
were
asked.
AJ
If
there
were
any
when
there
would
be
anything
additional
built
between
the
residential
Zone,
which
means
the
new
lots
and
the
commercial
Zone,
she
quickly
stated.
Oh,
yes,
something
would
definitely
be
built
there,
because
no
one
wants
to
back
up
or
look
at
commercial
to
which
Kim
lives
right
there
on
the
corner
and
replied.
But
you
want
me
to
look
at
it,
so
she
doesn't
have
any
kind
of
buffer,
but
people
who
are
going
to
buy
these
Lots
over
here
will
have
a
buffer
if
commercial
development
would
not
harm
the
character
of
that
area.
AJ
A
wise
legal
representation
stating
that
no
one
wants
to
back
up
or
look
at
it.
Why
would
they
ensure
the
residential
area
would
not
have
to
look
at
it?
We
must
walk
across
Midwest
Boulevard
to
get
our
mailbox,
because
that's
the
only
Direction
the
post
office
travels.
Any
commercial
property
would
certainly
add
more
danger
to
this
task,
as
well
as
getting
out
of
our
driveway
additional
lights.
Traffic
people
to
this
area
will
certainly
negatively
impact
the
character
she
appreaches
appreciate
your
time
and
she
apologizes
for
not
being
here.
Otherwise
she
would
be
speaking.
AJ
A
And
I
did
visit
with
Miss,
Horton
and
I'm,
sorry
that
she
wasn't
able
to
join
us
today,
but
we've
had
several
conversations
about
her
concerns
as
well
and
I'm
gonna
do
my
best
Yoon,
yes,
you're
gonna
have
to
pronounce
your
last
name
for
me.
AD
I'm,
just
driving
directly
cross
street
from
this
project
to
the
north,
to
to
the
north.
Okay,
the
family
bought
the
21
Acres
about
25
years
ago,
and
I
purchased
eight
Acres
at
the
2005,
and
we
decided
to
build
a
house
in
2008.
and
I.
Keep
that
property,
nice
mode
and
the
landscape
have
Pond
kids,
go
fishing
and
playing
golf
on
the
property.
As
you
know,
the
Memorial
Road
is
a
really
busy
traffic.
AD
It's
Oklahoma,
County
Edmond,
School,
District
and
Jones
mailing
address
the
gentleman
with
the
Jones,
the
post
office
that
works
for
post
office
drives
a
unmarked
vehicle
to
deliver
Mills
and
he's
in
and
out
of
these
mailboxes
and
I
have
seen
it
numerous
times.
AD
I
wish
him
well
because
I
mean
he
gets
close,
calls
all
the
time
we're
having
so
much
traffic
on
the
memorial
for,
for
another
reason,
there's
a
sand
pit
on
east
of
town
every
morning,
all
these
dump
trucks
going
in
when
they're
coming
through
Midwest
Boulevard
they're
going
downhill
and
when
they're
getting
close
to
my
property
before
they
get
to
Douglas.
They
use
the
term
jaybrick
where
they're
having
to
slow
the
truck
down,
and
these
guys
just
make
all
kinds
of
noise
trying
to
slow
the
track
down.
AD
Well
guess
what
hour
later
after
they
got
loaded
they're
coming
back
up
to
try
and
get
up
to
the
hill
by
my
house,
you
can
see
black
smoke
just
going
everywhere,
because
because
they're
struggling
to
get
up
on
the
hill
I
mean
Edmond.
School
bus
is
having
a
parked
vehicle
in
an
angle
where
traffic
wouldn't
hit
the
kids.
AD
AD
I
can
show
you
the
pictures,
the
wrecks
that
just
had
in
the
past
three
weeks.
You
know,
maybe
the
study
needs
to
be
done
with
the
Oklahoma
City
Police
Department
on
traffic.
You
know
how
fast
folks
driving
I
mean
it's
to
the
it's
so
bad.
With
this
commercial
vehicles,
they're
building
so
much
home
and
it's
knowledge
guys
delivering
all
this
equipment
for
dirt,
concrete,
concrete
trucks
they're
coming
so
fast
when
they
get
to
stop
sign
Midwest
Boulevard,
if
they're
not
prepared
to
stuff.
AD
Well
guess
what
they
have
10
tons
or
10
yards
of
gravel
or
concrete
when
they
hit
the
truck
they're
dumped
concrete
right
there
on
traffic
and
if
they
don't
get
caught
well,
they
just
keep
going
and
someone
else
have
to
worry
about
getting
it.
Cleaned
up,
I
mean
that
intersection
of
Midwest
Boulevard
and
Memorial.
AD
It's
just
terrible
and
now
here
we're
talking
about
putting
a
commercial
zoning
and
it's
just
going
to
be
a
nightmare
and
I
mean
it
just
I
mean
it's
so
bad
where
that
I
have
noticed
the
SUV
from
the
state
trooper
parks
on
I-35,
as
this
truck's
coming
through
I
have
seen
it.
I
also
have
taken
pictures
where
these
trucks
are
loaded
with
so
much
gravel
and
dirt.
Where
he's
having
to
weigh
them
out
just
to
make
sure
they're
legal
on
their
stuff,
and
this
past
summer
we
actually
run
out
of
water
on
the
way.
AD
Well-
and
you
know
we
had
to
come
over
there-
that
have
it
drilled
that
again,
because
I
mean-
and
here
these
guys
want
to
put
a
half
an
acre
or
three
quarters
of
an
acre
lot
and
drill
and
septic
tank
to
make
matters
worse.
I
believe
I
gave
you
the
copy,
where
the
the
37
homes
to
try
and
build
on
this
lot
was
their
interest
or
exit.
It
just
ran
directly
across
the
street.
From
my
gate,
so
I
mean
37
times.
Two
vehicles
per
home
is
going
to
be
coming
out
of
that
neighborhood.
AD
AD
You
know
not
three-quarter
acre
lot,
make
it
five
acre
lot.
You
know
just
be
done
with
it
and
I'll
be
there.
Cheerleader
I'll
be
putting
the
sign
up
for
them,
but
if
they're
going
to
put
a
half
acre
off
three
quarter,
long
I
promise
you
I'll
make
banners
all
over
my
yard,
it'll
be
I'll,
be
protesting
for
them
and
and
I
have
my
legal
rights
to
do
it.
I
just
put
it
up.
A
Any
questions
from
commissioners-
okay,
thank
you!
It's
it.
I've
had
great
conversations
with
the
the
neighbors
again
I
think
it's
very
important
that
the
neighbors
understand
today
we're
we're
dealing
with
the
zoning.
We
are
not
dealing
with
the
plat,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
applicant
I've
seen
this
exhibit
numerous
times.
I.
Z
That
was
performed
so
that
the
developer
could
see
what
an
impact
would
be.
If
the
Turnpike
Authority
was
going
to
condemn
a
portion
of
the
land,
there
is
no
plot
before
you.
We
will
have
to
come
and
plat
as
you
might
expect.
As
a
lawyer,
when
someone
is
looking
at
what
the
impact
would
be
for
a
taking
you're
going
to
draft
it
as
maxed
out
as
possible
to
see
what
values
might
be
arrived
at,
we
will
have
to
come
through
and
plot
it
we'll
have
to
come
through
and
plan
it
to
meet
the
ordinance.
Z
A
So,
to
be
clear
and
I
would
like
neighbors
to
be
clear
on
this.
What
we're
voting
on
today
is
not
this
specifically.
We
are
not
voting
on
this
arrangement
of
homes,
we're
not
voting.
What
we're
voting
on
are
the
is
the
zoning
so
and
those
are
the
restrictions
for
an
RA
development
or
a
C3
development.
It's
not
this
specific
arrangement
of
homes
when
they
come
back
with
a
pla.
If
this
is
approved
and
they
come
back
with
a
plat,
then
we
would
have
the
ability
to
analyze.
A
For
example,
I
know
the
previous
speaker
mentioned
concern
about
where
the
entrances
and
exits
are.
That
would
be
the
opportunity
for
us
to
address
issues
like
that,
but
this
is
a
straight
zoning
request.
So
the
question
before
this
commission
is:
will
we
allow
ra
development
in
those
areas
that
are
that
are
outlined
in
the
map?
Will
we
allow
C3
development
in
the
area
that's
outlined
in
the
map?
A
The
arrangement
of
the
homes
is
not
the
issue
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
address
today,
so
I'm
not
saying
that
we
should
discount
that
the
developer
is
thinking
that
this
is
their
intention.
But
at
this
point
that's
not
before
the
commission,
so
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
Are
there
any
questions
of
the
applicant
from
commissioners.
Z
Yeah,
if
that's
a
concern,
we
could
defer
that
piece
of
it
and
come
back
with
an
Spud
if
there
are,
if
the
concern
is
specific
uses
that
would
be
allowed
in
C3
are
deemed
incompatible.
My
client
would
be
willing
to
defer
the
C3
piece
and
come
back
with
a
spud.
A
E
E
Z
So
yeah,
so
changing
the
comp
plan
doesn't
serve
anything
because
if
we
did
it,
Urban
they'd
recommend
denial
because
we
don't
have
Urban
Services.
If
we
did
it.
Rural
medium
they'd
recommend
denial,
because
it's
not
two
acres
in
in
size.
So
we
don't.
We
we
don't
want
to
waste
the
times
the
staff's
time
analyzing
the
application.
Z
You
know
we
made
the
same
argument
South.
So
what
we
would
prefer
is
move
forward
with
the
ra
either
modify
it
to
C1
or
defer
the
commercial
piece
for
a
spud.
We
are
fine
with
with
either
staff.
Q
Sarah
Welch
planning
department,
I
think
a
difference
between
the
lion
land
north
of
the
turnpike
and
south
of
the
turnpike
is
the
land
north
of
the
turnpike
is
under
the
rural
low
designation.
So
that's
why
it
supports
five
acre
lots
there
and
I
know
I'm.
Sorry,
I,
don't
recall
if
you
changed
it
excuse
me
or
if
it
was
already
designated
as
such,
but
the
land
south
of
the
turnpike
is
rural
medium.
So
when
we
talk
about
real
medium,
it
doesn't
it's
not
a
hard
and
fast
two
acre
minimum
lot
size.
Q
Q
That
would
be
for
purposes
of
specifically
preserving
environmentally
sensitive
areas
such
as
the
Upland
Forest.
So
if
the
applicant
applied
for
a
comp
plan
Amendment,
we
expect
it
would
be
to
rural
medium.
Q
I
am
not
the
comprehensive
plan.
Planner
I,
I,
I,
I
I
anticipate.
It
would
not
be
recommended
for
approval
to
change
just
because
of
the
water,
the
sewer
and
the
lack
of
fire
service.
However,
if
the
Planning
Commission
did
make
the
change
to
rural
medium,
then
a
PUD
that
held
kind
of
that
two-acre
lot
size
density,
which
is
0.5
dwelling
units
per
acre,
would
would
be
consistent
with
the
rural
medium.
If,
if
that
makes
sense
to
anybody,
could.
Z
A
Z
Yes,
so
it
may
be
rural
medium
now,
so
the
exhibit
I
handed
out.
It
wasn't
rural
medium.
When
you
recommended
approval
of
the
land
South,
it
was
actually
in
the
Urban
Reserve
category,
so
staff,
perhaps
on
their
own
initiative,
changed
it
to
rural
medium.
We
would
applaud
their
effort
to
do
the
same
here,
but
we
don't
intend
to
have
two
acre
lots.
We
intend
to
have
ra
Lots
consistent
with
the
overwhelming
majority
of
the
the
sites
you
see
on
this
map,
so
in
terms
of
C1
versus
C3,
I.
A
You
will
recall
that
we
used
to
get
a
number
of
these
requests
where
the
comp
plan
amendments
weren't
done,
and
we
finally
put
our
foot
down
and
said:
nope
you're
going
to
do
these
comp
plan
amendments
and
we're
not
going
to
hear
any
rezoning
cases
until
they're
done,
and
so
then
everybody
changed,
and
now
we
were
seeing
comp
plan
amendments,
I,
I,
think
on
this
issue.
I
do
appreciate
Sarah
being
so
direct
about
they
can
make.
A
These
changes
doesn't
necessarily
mean
the
recommendation
is
going
to
change,
which
makes
me
more
inclined
to
say
than
let's
just
decide
today
and
Sarah
you
can,
if
I'm
mischaracterizing
your
statement,
you
know
correct
me,
but
I
I,
think
to
to
frame
this
conversation
for
us
to
keep
us
moving
forward
at
five
o'clock.
A
I.
Think
it's
important
that
we
decide
do
from
the
onset.
Do
we
want
to
require
some
more
work,
be
done
with
the
comp
plan.
Amendment
number
one
is
RA
appropriate
number.
Two
I
think
we're
gonna,
there's
consensus
just
from
looking
at
shaking
heads
that
we
want
the
SPD
on
the
on
the
C3
and
for
you
all
to
take
a
deferral
on
that.
So
I
think
those
are
the
two
questions
that
remain
Sarah
go
ahead.
I'm.
Q
Sorry
I
just
one
to
just
confirm
that
if
this
wereworld
medium
or
if
there
were
a
comp
plan,
Amendment
already
filed
to
change
it
to
rural
medium,
our
typical
recommendation
on
zoning
is
that,
if
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment
is
is
denied
deny
the
application.
Q
If
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment
is
approved,
amend
the
zoning
District
to
ra2,
which
is
the
one
that
we
consider
the
most
comparable
to
the
rural,
medium
Luda
and
then
approve
so
I
just
want
to
clarify,
because
we've
done
this
a
lot
on
not
on
this
site,
but
on
a
lot
of
different
rural
developments.
That's
our
typical
recommendation,
but.
A
Q
I
I
A
I
I
won't
call
names,
but
very
often
applicants
come
in
and
they
make
these
arguments
to
us
that
you
know
there's
a
problem
with
the
plan
and
it
doesn't
allow
for
something
that
really
should
allow
for
we
had
those
arguments
we
had
those
conversations.
This
is
where
we
landed.
We
have
five
acre
lots.
We
have
two
acre
lots.
You
know
it's
like
if
you,
if
you
want
something
smaller
than
that
it
has
to
fit
into
the
package,
we
have
not
been
as
consistent
about
observing
that,
as
we
should
have
been.
I
In
my
humble
opinion,
in
the
past
and
I
think
you
know
it
would.
Do
us
awesome,
good,
some
disciplinary
good
to
just
be
consistent
with
the
decisions
that
we're
making
you're
right.
We
did
get
a
slew
of
cases
that
were
presented
to
us.
That
would
require,
or
would
seem
to
require
a
conflict
Amendment,
but
they
didn't
choose
to
do
that
for
the
same
reasons
that
the
applicant
here
doesn't
choose
to
do
it
it's
expensive,
it's
time
consuming.
It
doesn't
necessarily
help
your
case,
and
so
you
just
don't
do
it.
I
Z
And
if
I
might
consistency
is
what
we're
asking
too
consistent
with
what
the
commission
has
continuously
granted
in
this
area?
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
staff
report
from
the
100
plus
acres
South,
it
asks
us
to
amend
the
comp
plan
and
I
made
the
same
argument
and
it
was
agreed
upon
that
now
staff
again
staff
may
have
on
their
own
done
it
because
at
the
time
of
the
staff
report
it
was
Urban
Reserve.
We
did
not
make
a
request
to
my
knowledge.
They
have
that
Authority
yeah.
G
Yeah
just
to
clarify
this:
isn't
a
transition
zone
I'm.
Looking
at
the
map
right
now,
they're
they're
there
is
it.
There's
Urban
mediums
like
Sarah,
said
to
the
South
and
that
particular
piece
I,
don't
remember
the
history,
but
it
would
have
had
to
come
to
the
Planning
Commission,
either
through
a
an
individual
CPA,
a
comprehensive
plan
Amendment
or
as
part
of
the
an
update
process.
G
So
through
one
of
those
it
may,
it
may
have
changed,
but
regardless
it
is
on
the
border
of
urban
or
excuse
me,
rural
medium.
So
there's
rural
medium
here,
there's
Urban
Reserve,
there's
agricultural
preserve!
There's
a
lot
going
on
here,
but
the
turnpike
as
Sarah
said,
is,
is
kind
of.
Is
the
border
between
rural,
medium
and
Rural
low.
A
F
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
I
do
feel
that
there's
some
there's
unique
conditions
on
this
site
that
the
hydrology
and
the
size
of
lots
is
is
I,
think
a
valid
concern.
I
know
you're
meeting
the
intent
and
the
requirements.
But
if
we're
going
to
continue
this,
it
does
seem
that
that
commercial
component
with
no
water
or
sewers
just
yeah
well,
the
first
commercial
I.
F
Even
though
I'm
seeing
Ras
all
over
here
but
I
was
gonna,
say
well,
I
mean
yeah.
I.
Think
the
conversation
needs
to
continue.
That's
all
so,
and.
Z
A
Y
Well,
I
think
that
you
either
need
to
deny
it
or
unless
he
agrees
to
continue
it
and
submit
for
an
I,
don't
think
we
can
make
him
submit
an
application
for
a
comp
plan.
Amendment.
M
A
I
think
we're
ready
unless
there's
other
debate
or
discussion
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
motion
on
that
issue
of
we
if
we're
ready
for
just
denial
outright,
because
there's
not
a
comp
plan
Amendment
or
if
we're
okay,
with
with
moving
forward
on
the
zoning
itself.
I
will
tell
you
that
I
think
the
argument,
while
I
am
concerned
about
tree
preservation-
and
it
sounds
like
there's
been
some
there.
I
I
recall
the
study
about
the
aquifer
and
and
because
that
was
my
concern
when
we
did
the
ra
to
the
South
and
I
do
remember.
A
Reading
that
report,
I
and
I
do
remember
the
phrase
prolific
being
used
in
that
and
I
I
can
attest
to
that,
because
it
was
my
concern
in
that
with
that
that
re
rezoning
I
think
it's
hard
for
us
to
argue
that
ra
is
not
okay
here,
but
is
okay
to
the
north
of
the
neighbors
who
are
who
are
directly
North
there
and
it's
also
okay
across
the
street.
A
So
I
do
think
that's
worth
something
in
this
discussion,
but
if
certainly
if
the
applicant's
willing
to
go
back
and
and
if
there's
consensus,
that
we
want
to
see
a
complaint,
Amendment
I'm
not
going
to
stand
in
the
way
of
that
either.
So
I
think
we're
just
ready
for
a
motion.
I
So
is
it
is
it
maybe
it's
not
appropriate,
but
I'll.
Ask
anyway.
Is
it
really
your
position
that
you'd
rather
have
a
denial
than
to
do
a
comp
plan,
Amendment
well.
Z
No,
we
don't
want
to
denial,
but
we
we
want
the
ra
approved
in
the
same
manner
that
all
of
the
rest
of
them
have
been
approved
to
to
the
chair's
Point.
It's
a
waste
of
my
clients
money.
It's
a
waste
of
staffs
resources,
they're
going
to
recommend
denial
of
an
RA
application.
They
on
their
own
initiative.
Z
Did
the
comp
plan
change
on
the
way
into
the
South,
their
staff
report
on
that
land
of
the
South
asked
to
amend
to
ra2
or
continue
to
submit
a
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
request
much
like
what
they're
doing
here
we're
simply
asking
that
the
commission
make
a
consistent
decision
like
they
did
South
like
they
did
here
like
they
did
here
here
here
and
at
some
point
here.
I
Think
otherwise,
I
feel
like.
We
have
not
been
as
consistent
about
this
in
the
past,
as
we
should
have
been
I
think
you
know
we
did
kind
of
draw
a
line
in
the
sand
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
kind
of
hold
to
that.
I
J
Z
I,
don't
know
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
that
my
recollection,
because
I
did
this
one
and
this
one
on
this
one
I'm
fairly
certain
we
had
a
recommendation
of
denial
or
modify
to
ra2
and
we
declined
and
I
do
not
recall
doing
a
comp
plan
change
for
the
same
reason
that
I'm
standing
here.
A
T
A
A
And
I
I'm
I'm,
going
to
vote
I
will
be
voting.
No
I
I
think
we
need
at
the
most
I
think.
Let's
continue
this
and
go
resolve
it
in
a
different
way,
but
I
without
assurances
for
me
that
in
this
instance,
with
this
kind
of
Redevelopment
that
it's
going
to
result
in
a
different
recommendation
from
staff,
it
seems
like
we're
just
making
the
applicant
just
go
through
the
runaround
and
so
I'm
like.
If
we
want
a
substantive
change.
Let's
just
ask
for
that,
but
that's
not
the
emotion.
A
Z
A
Well,
I
think
we
can
vote
I
mean
that's
I'm,
just
one
person
the
motion
is
to
is
to
move
that
we
recommend
denial
of
this
application
to
city
council.
Is
there
a
second.
A
It's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
Noble.
Please
cast
your
votes
available,
just
to
be
clear.
A
yes
vote
means
that
we
are
recommending
that
it
be
denied.
A
no
vote
means
that
you
do
not
want
the
recommendation
of
denial.
Just
it's
all.
The
double
negatives
are
extremely
confusing,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be.
J
F
A
A
A
A
Okay,
let's
come
back
together!
Thank
you
all.
We
we've
been
sitting
here
a
while,
so
we
we
needed
a
minute
to
stretch
our
legs.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience.
We're
now
online
for
item
24.
Z
Z
My
client
today
is
ideal
homes.
The
commission,
who
has
been
here
for
some
time,
will
recall
that
I
was
here
on
this
application.
Excuse
me
this
this
piece
of
land
previously
I
believe
it's
been
two
years
at
the
time,
I
was
representing
the
owners
of
the
property.
A
developer
had
not
been
identified,
there
were
rumors,
but
there
wasn't
any
public
knowledge
of
who
it
was
I
didn't
know
who
it
was,
and
it
was
an
R1
application.
Z
There
was
no
plot
associated
with
it,
so
everybody
used
their
imagination
of
what
that
might
look
like
what
we
heard
from
the
chair
as
well
as
other
members
of
Planning
Commission,
was
that
single
family
certainly
is
appropriate,
but
a
PUD
was
needed.
A
PUD
was
needed
to
come
up
with
appropriate
controls
for
development
of
this
land.
What
I'm,
showing
before
you
is
what
an
R1
application
would
look
like
we're
pushing
almost
800
single-family
homes.
It
doesn't
respect
the
flood
plain
it
doesn't
provide
for
school.
It
doesn't
provide
for
amenities.
Z
After
that
contract
with
the
original
developer,
went
away,
ideal
homes
jumped
in
and
started
negotiating
for
a
contract.
They
were
able
to
get
the
land
under
contract
and
before
we
had
any,
let
me
see
if
I
can
make
this
work
before
we
had
any
application
filed.
We
had
a
community
meeting
at
the
Oakdale
Public
School
building
in
their
Auditorium.
Z
Z
Z
So
what
we
did
was
we
went
and
talked
to
the
then
superintendent
and
a
school
board
member
to
ask
what
their
concerns
were
and
what
were
needed.
One
of
the
biggest
concerns
that
Oakdale
public
schools
has
is
the
lack
of
land.
If
you
think
about
it
in
terms
of
Deer
Creek
Deer
Creek
has
all
the
land
in
the
world,
they
don't
have
bonding
capacity.
Z
The
opposite
holds
true
here
the
school
told
us
they
didn't
want
the
commercial
they
have
so
much
bonding
capacity
and
so
much
money
based
upon
what
exists
on
I-35,
with
all
the
large-scale
warehouses
that
their
ad
valorem
base
is
exceptionally
High.
I
believe
they're,
only
one
of
three
school
districts
in
the
state
that
have
such
a
high
out
of
Lauren
base
that
they
don't
qualify
for
certain
Public
Funding.
Z
Z
Z
Z
My
client
has
this
product
in
across
10
different
developments
in
the
Metro
and
84
percent
of
the
people
that
live
in
those
are
55
and
older
and
have
no
school-aged
children.
It's
a
gated
community
that
has
extraordinary
High
HOA
dues
that
cover
maintenance,
landscaping
and
all
of
those
things
we
were
moving
along
for
quite
some
time.
At
this
development
plan
and
we're
told
last
Friday
I
believe
we
received
a
letter.
Perhaps
it
was
Thursday
that
15
acres
is
not
enough
now
and
we
don't
like
the
location
that
you've
provided.
Z
Z
I'm
going
the
wrong
way
here
right
here
here
we
go
so
my
client
spit
the
weekend
redrawing
their
site
plan
to
reflect
a
20-acre
School
site
on
the
corner,
as
requested
it
modified
our
lock
count
at
the
time
to
672.
In
that
meeting
last
Friday
with
the
chair
and
several
members
of
the
community,
they
asked
us
to
go
back
and
also
get
some
larger
Lots,
which
we
did.
Z
Z
So
I
think
it's
important
to
move
to
that
next
issue,
which
are
trees.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
the
tree
issue,
so
we
thought
it
prudent
to
undertake
a
study
of
the
area
before
it
was
developed,
and
what
we
found
was
the
neighborhoods
that
are
complaining
about.
Our
rezoning
were
almost
100
percent
forested.
Z
Z
You'll
see
that
our
site
has
no
historic
trees,
unlike
the
developments
that
exist
around
us
from
a
density
standpoint,
which
is
what
you're
going
to
hear
a
lot
about
today.
The
comprehensive
plan
designates
this
site
as
Urban
low
Urban
low
has
a
Target
density
range
of
four
to
eight
units
per
acre.
Z
Z
Z
on
sooner
it's
2866.,
so
the
engineers
ran
a
model.
Projecting
our
full
build
out
in
the
future
is
6817
on
Britain
6608.
On
sooner,
why
that's
important
standpoint?
Typically,
the
city
won't
even
look
at
four
Landing
a
road
until
it
hits
10
000
daily
trips,
so
even
at
full
build
out.
We
are
still
below
what
the
city
would
look
at
for
redoing
to
make
it
a
four-lane
road.
Z
So
we
believe
we
have
done
everything
possible
to
make
this
development
compatible.
We
have
continued
to
modify.
It
I
think
it's
a
foregone
conclusion
that
this
side
is
going
to
be
developed
single
family
and
we
think
of
its
developed
single
family
that
this
particular
developer
is
the
best
suited
to
develop
this
site.
They
have
a
history
of
doing
open
space
developments
that
are
difficult
sites.
Just
like
this
and
Zach's
going
to
talk
about
that.
Z
Z
Z
This
study,
again
187
thousand
dollar
study
commission
by
the
city,
comes
to
the
conclusion
that
some
people
could
and
might
choose
to
live
in
a
smaller
space
than
we
conventionally
build.
So
smaller
single-family
homes,
as
well
as
rental
units,
may
be
an
option
for
more
affordable
living.
An
increase
in
density
can
be
accomplished,
for
example,
by
building
more
homes
on
less
land
and
having
smaller
lot
sizes.
These
are
tools
that
could
make
housing
more
affordable
for
people
in
our
community
and
the
city's
role
in
zoning
supporting
and
regulating
housing
concerns
is
one
vital
component.
Z
That's
exactly
what
we're
doing
here.
We
are
providing
the
opportunity
for
teachers,
firemen,
police,
emergency
service
workers
to
live
in
an
area
that
has
a
great
School
District.
Now
you
may
hear
that
we
don't
need
a
School
site,
so
what
we've
done
in
the
Pud
is?
We
have
carved
out
20
acres,
single-family
homes
not
allowed
in
that
track
too.
Z
So
if
the
school
decides,
they
don't
want
it.
We
tend
to
think
that
they
will
want
it,
but
if
they
don't
want
it
well,
I
guess
the
neighborhood
has
an
extra
20
acres
of
open
space
that
won't
get
touched.
So
we
believe
we
have
done
everything
that
a
prudent
developer
could
do
with
this
piece
of
property.
Z
Z
AL
T
AK
AK
AK
We
went
to
then
property
owner
of
this,
the
owner,
the
elderly
gentleman
that
passed
away
and
requested
an
easement,
because
the
only
way
to
access
the
public
sewer
was
through
his
property
and
he
would
not
allow
us
to
have
an
easement
in
any
shape,
form
or
fashion.
He
said
he
had
cancer.
He
said
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
this.
AK
AK
What
the
study
entailed
is
is
this
Basin
is
a
almost
600
acres,
some
of
it's
already
developed
into
Anchorage
Lodge.
Five
acre
lots
large
home
lots-
and
this
is
part
of
this
overall
study
that
the
city
uses
to
provide
main
sizes
to
the
treatment
plant,
and
in
this
case
it
all
goes
to
witcher's
Pump
Station.
AK
These
The
Witcher
Pump
Station,
was
upgraded
about
eight
to
ten
years
ago.
The
staff
believes
it
has
capacity.
We
believe
it
has
capacity
it.
It
receives
a
60
inch
pipe
from
the
the
very
large
Basin
that
it
carries
and
600
homes
is
kind
of
a
drop
in
the
bucket
to
the
amount
of
sewage
that
comes
through
there.
I
think
somewhere
in
the
range
of
50
to
55
000
million
gallons
per
day,
so
We
Believe
sewer's
got
capacity.
AK
AK
We
think
that
the
the
decision
of
the
school
to
put
themselves
on
the
corner
was
a
very
wise
decision
because
of
the
amount
of
traffic
generated
during
the
peak
inflow
and
outflow
of
students.
AK
In
this
case,
it
would
allow
the
school
to
operate
completely
independent
of
the
of
the
traffic
for
the
neighborhood
and,
as
David
mentioned,
there's
very
low
counts
from
2019
on
both
Britain
and
sooner
and
with
the
future
counts.
AK
You
know
it
takes
it
to
well
under
the
capacity
of
a
two-lane
road
which,
depending
on
what
book
you
look
at
it's
up
to
thirteen
thousand
average
daily
traffic
per
day.
So
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
we
also
looked
at
the
city's
conditions
of
Street
conditions,
analysis
and
currently
Britain
is
rated
as
good
and
sooner
is
rated
as
Fair.
AK
AK
So
storm
water.
That's
my
next
discussion
again
reading
through
a
lot
of
the
complaints
and
concerns.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
a
we
have
a
flood
plain,
which
is
the
light
blue.
We
have
a
flood
way
which
is
the
hatched,
and
when
this
study
was
done
they
did
not
model
the
floodway
run
through
the
pond,
but
there's
a
flood
way
there.
It
just
didn't
get
modeled.
AK
We
are
going
to
respect
the
FEMA
floodplain.
We
are
going
to
meet
all
of
Oklahoma
City's
criteria
and,
although
I
haven't
looked
at
this
yet
to
determine
whether
or
not
detention
is
truly
required
in
this
area,
we,
the
developers,
always
required
in
their
developments,
and
so
we
intend
to
convert
this
Pond
into
a
retention
pond.
AK
So
it'll
be
it'll
hold
water
at
all
times.
It
will
allow
for
the
fluctuation
of
the
flow
in
the
pond
to
increase
and
decrease
during
a
heavy
rainfall
such
that
the
outlet
flow
will
be
equal
to
or
less
than
historic.
AK
That
said,
we
will
also
model
the
Basin
as
we
improve
from
the
dam
to
the
South
to
determine
what
water
surface
levels
we'll
be
dealing
with.
It's
we're
not
allowed
to
raise
or
increase
the
or
impact
the
water
surface
upstream
or
Downstream
of
our
property.
Those
will
all
be
requirements
that
we'll
have
to
prove
to
the
city
that,
as
we
develop,
our
plans
that
are
will
not
be
a
problem.
We
will
not
adversely
impact
the
conditions
that
are
there
today.
AK
Those
may
need
to
be
addressed.
We
may
work
with
with
the
city
to
try
to
partner
to
improve
those
as
part
of
our
development,
and
so
this
is
a
good
segue
into
the
a
lot
of
the
topic.
AK
Oops
sorry
gone
into
Zach's
side,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
talking
and
even
somebody
emailed
as
part
of
their
their
protests,
a
copy
of
the
this
book
that
I've
already
I,
already
downloaded
from
the
owrb
and
several
weeks
ago
and
looked
at
their
hydraulic
and
simulation
groundwater
flow
for
the
lake
Arcadia
Basin
and
we
are
in
the
lake
Arcadia
Basin.
A
lot
of
the
scientific
data
that's
submitted
here
actually
works
in
our
favor.
AK
From
a
standpoint
of
discussion,
the
the
biggest
proponent
of
allowing
Aquifer
recharge
to
occur
is,
if
you
have
a
canopy
which,
as
we've
already
discussed
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
our
property
was
pasture
for
many
decades,
and
then
it
was
allowed
to
go
fallow
and
a
lot
of
these
trees
that
are
out
there
volunteer
they're,
not
across
Timbers,
like
you
have
to
the
north
and
and
west
of
our
side.
AK
Without
a
canopy,
your
runoff
is
greater,
but
this
is
a.
This
is
a
a
really
a
bowl
and
it's
very
Sandy
soils
and
there's
a
lot
of
recharge
that
goes
on
in
the
current
pond.
AK
AK
AK
The
Garber
Wellington
in
this
area
varies
from
four
to
five
hundred
feet:
deep
for
potable
water
to
seven
to
eight
hundred
feet.
Deep
I
would
suspect
a
lot
of
the
local
Wells
are
not
that
deep.
It's
a
very
big
expense
to
go
that
deep.
The
other
thing
is
we're
not
going
to
have
any
septic
tanks,
so
we
won't
be
potentially
infiltrating
the
aquifer
with
any
septic.
AK
Evaporation
that
happens,
Underground
we're
going
to
be
tied
to
the
Oklahoma
city
sewer,
as
we
mentioned,
there'll,
be
a
sewer
line
that
comes
through
the
middle
of
our
property.
That's
that
will
serve
out
into
that
Basin,
because
95
percent
of
our
property
is
drains
into
that
bowl.
Just
a
little
bit
on
the
on
the
southwest
corner
drains
out,
you
can
see
the
red
line
there.
It's
like
that's
about
five,
six
acres
every
so
that
all
drains
in
there
we
have
35
Acres
of
common
area
that
is
virtually
not
going
to
be
touched.
AK
I'm,
sorry,
36,
Acres
of
common
area.
We
have
a
65
percent
lot
coverage
requirement.
That
leaves
us
35
percent
of
front
yard
backyard,
open
a
open
space
around
the
houses
that
calculates
57.4,
Acres
so
of
our
200
Acres.
93.4
acres
is
open
and
available
for
to
receive
rain
water
because
we're
a
Suburban
basin.
The
rain
will
be
collected
in
stormwater
and
storm
sewers.
AK
A
AM
My
name
is
Zach
roach,
1320,
North,
Porter,
I,
hear
you
loud
and
clear,
chairman
and
I
will
keep
my
remarks.
Brief.
I
do
want
to
talk
very
quickly
about
the
ideal
homes
philosophy
when
it
comes
to
doing
amenities.
Ideal
homes
takes
a
bit
of
a
different
approach
from
your
standard
developer,
in
that
we
believe
in
an
inside
out
approach
to
amenities,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
this.
Instead
of
shoehorning
in
development,
amenities
into
areas
that
are
leftovers
are
inconvenient.
We
literally
start
with
the
amenities
and
work
outward
from
there.
AM
This
community
will
be
no
different
than
any
of
the
dozens
of
communities
where
we
use
the
same
approach.
It
will
feature
extensive
walking
trails
so
that
we
envision
young
families
and
children
walking
out
their
backyard
being
to
walk
being
able
to
walk
to
the
pool
the
clubhouse,
the
splash
pad
the
stock
fishing
ponds,
The
Pavilions,
the
butterfly
gardens
and
any
one
of
another
of
other
amenities
that
will
be
featured
in
this
community
and
that's
a
really
important
thing,
because
it's
not
just
about
having
interconnected
walking
trails.
It's
about
keeping
traffic
off
the
streets.
AM
It's
about
creating
opportunity
for
those
young
families
and
those
children
to
be
down
adjacent
to
Nature.
That's
something
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
time,
thinking
about,
because
you
can
put
a
walking
trail
in
and
connect
it
to
a
place,
but
does
it
have
context
within
that
place?
Are
you
taking
that
walking
trail
and
running
it
adjacent
to
ecologically
sensitive
areas?
AM
That's
a
detail
that
we
Implement
in
all
of
our
developments,
also
with
the
walking
trails,
is
something
I've
dubbed
the
social
offense.
And
it's
really
nothing
more
than
a
four
foot
split
rail
fence
that
abuts
any
area.
That's
got
a
walking
trail
in
the
common
area,
and
the
reason
this
is
important
is
is
as
a
father
of
three
I
live
in
an
ideal
homes.
Community
and
my
wife
and
I
are
constantly
trying
to
juxtapose
and
balance.
How
do
we
let
our
kids
have
free
play?
AM
How
do
we
grow
them
into
adults
who
are
independent
of
us
because
someday
they're
going
to
move
out
of
the
house
and
how
do
we
protect
them
from
unnecessary
risk?
And
so
the
thought
that
my
wife
and
I
have
had
all
these
years
is
we're
not
going
to
put
them
in
the
front
yard,
because
if
we
put
them
in
the
front
yard,
the
idiots
with
the
cell
phones
are
going
to
hit
them.
AM
We
will
put
them
in
the
backyard
in
my
home
that
I
live
in
an
Ideal
Home
Community
has
the
same
social
fence
adjacent
to
it,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
love
is
I
can
actually
push
my
kids
out
that
backyard
they
get
to
go
play
on
the
walking
trails
they
get
to
go
down
and
get
dirty
in
the
creek.
They
get
to
have
the
experience
that
I
had
growing
up,
but
they
do
it
safely.
I
have
eyesight
on
them,
I
can
see
them.
AM
I
know
what
they're
doing
and
not
only
do
I
know,
but
my
neighbors
know
as
well.
I
have
a
community
response
to
my
children
being
out
in
my
backyard,
and
that
empowers
me
as
an
adult
and
as
a
parent
to
let
them
live
that
kind
of
Lifestyle.
It's
been
a
great
recipe
for
success
for
Ideal
Home.
One
of
the
ways
that
I'm
really
really
proud
of
that
success
is,
we
see
lots
of
multi-generational
families
in
our
community
and
the
ideal
homes
Community
I
live
in
in
Norman.
AM
We
have
four
generations
of
my
family
living
in
the
same
Community.
I
can
literally
take
my
kids
push
them
out
the
back
door,
put
them
on
the
trails
to
Grandma
and
Grandpa's
house
put
them
on
the
trail.
It's
a
great
grandma's
house
and
feel
completely
comfortable.
Doing
that.
That's
something
I'm,
proud
of
in
this
development
will
feature
that
absolutely
as
well,
so
in
honor.
Of
keeping
my
remarks
to
a
minimum
I
do
want
to
touch
on
one
more
point.
You
guys
have
heard
a
lot
of
facts
today.
AM
You've
heard
some
of
the
philosophical
underpinnings
of
how
we
approach
development,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
something.
That's
very
personal
to
me.
If
I
might
for
just
a
moment,
I
grew
up
in
Edmond
I
went
to
Edmond
Public
Schools,
my
dad
Mike
roach
was
a
science
teacher
at
Memorial,
High
School.
This
is
the
same
school
that
this
school
district
backs
into
my
dad
and
I.
We
lived
off
of
a
teacher
salary.
Had
four
people
living
off
a
teacher's
salary.
We
didn't
have
much
money
growing
up.
AM
The
only
house
that
my
parents
could
afford
in
the
middle
of
Edmond
was
a
thousand
square
foot
affordable
home,
but
I
was
lucky
because
that
home
was
in
a
great
neighborhood.
It
was
a
safe
neighborhood
I
accessed
the
quality
schools
and
it
was
something
that
my
family
could
absolutely
afford.
You
know
if
I
don't
have
access
to
that
affordable
thousand
square
foot
house
in
the
middle
of
Edmond
I,
don't
get
to
go
to
OU
and
get
a
degree
I.
AM
Don't
get
to
go,
get
a
master's
from
Oklahoma
Christian,
I,
don't
get
hired
by
ideal
homes
and
arguably
I'm
not
standing
in
front
of
this
body.
Talking
about
the
merits
of
this
case
that
affordable
house
in
a
desirable
School
District
in
a
safe,
neighborhood
enabled
me
to
be
who
I
am
today
it's
something
that
I
look
back
on
with
great
pride.
So
when
I
look
at
this
land,
I,
don't
look
at
this
as
just
another
piece
of
land.
I.
AM
Look
at
this
as
an
opportunity
to
create
similar
experiences
to
hard-working
families
like
my
family,
the
family,
that
I
grew
up
in
to
provide
a
place,
that's
safe
for
them
to
provide
a
context,
that's
safe
from
access
to
Great
Schools.
Those
are
things
I'm,
very,
very
passionate
about
you
know.
It's
funny.
I
was
having
a
discussion
with
my
CEO
the
other
day.
We
were
talking
about
the.
Why?
AM
Why
Zach
do
you
get
up
and
go
to
work
every
day,
I
told
them
I
said
boss,
it's
not
about
the
notoriety
and,
quite
frankly,
it's
not
about
making
money
for
you,
it's
about
creating
an
opportunity
to
have
safe
and
affordable
neighborhoods
so
that
other
families
can
be
blessed
with
the
same
blessings
that
I
had
growing
up
and
that's
something
that's
passionate
that
I'm
very
passionate
about,
and
it's
something
that
gets
me
out
of
bed
every
day
and
I
want
to
grab
that
moment.
It
sees
every
time
I
can
so.
Z
Thank
you
and
I'll
close
real,
quick
I
need
to
correct
something.
My
client
pointed
out
I
misspoke
earlier
when
I
said
the
number
of
the
active
adult,
so
the
act
of
adult
doesn't
have
75.
It
actually
has
139
of
our
Lots.
So
139
of
the
655
are
the
active
adults,
which
means
516
is
all
the
traditional
single
family
you'll
have
so
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
the
the
memo
that
went
to
city
council
after
we
spent
all
that
money
to
do.
Z
The
affordability
study
said
that
the
study
describes
a
shortage
of
affordable
housing
for
our
low
to
moderate
income
residents
and
the
need
to
increase
the
quality
and
number
of
affordable
housing
units
in
our
community.
It's
exactly
what
this
application
provides
you
with
today.
We
would
urge
you
to
follow
the
study.
That's
the
city
commissioned
and
approve
this
application.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Kelly.
A
And
I
know
we're
going
to
Kelly.
If
you
just
give
me
one
second
I
know
that
we're
also
going
to
hear
from
Kelly
who
is
who's
representing
the
neighborhood
and
and
we're
also
going
to
hear
from
several
neighbors
I
do
want
to
say
on
behalf
of
the
commission,
I'm
sure
they'll.
Stop
me
if
I'm
going
too
far,
I
don't
know
that
we've
ever
received
the
sheer
volume
of
letters
and
phone
calls
from
any
neighborhood
for
any
development.
A
In
my
five
years
on
the
commission,
I
will
say:
I
will
apologize
on
all
of
our
behalfs
I
know
we
didn't
call
everybody
back,
but
we
certainly
have
read
and
listened
and
met
with
attorneys
on
both
sides
and
and
have
been
thoroughly
informed
about
what
the
issues
are.
So
we
we
appreciate
that
I
hope.
No
one
took
any
offense
to
the
fact
that
we
couldn't
return
any
phone
calls
to
everybody,
but
we
did
get
a
lot
so
and
we
certainly
look
forward
to
hearing
from
people
today.
A
AC
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
commission
and
staff.
My
name
is
Kelly
work.
My
address
is
105
North
Hudson,
Suite,
304,
Oklahoma,
City
and
I
am
appearing
here
today
representing
a
group
of
of
the
surrounding
residents
that
are
opposing
this.
This
PUD
application
that
is
PUD
1930.
AC
as
the
chairman
just
referenced
and
as
you
all
are
all
aware,
there
is,
of
course,
significant
opposition
to
this
requested
rezoning
from
the
surrounding
residents
and
the
people
who
live
in
the
area
based
on
our
calculation
as
of
Friday.
Last
week,
we
have
currently
had
at
least
75
percent
of
the
300
foot
radius
area
around
the
200
acre
tract.
AC
That
is
the
subject
of
this
application
that
have
filed
written
protest
and
there
are
protest
signatures
that
I
think
you
all
have
seen
that
were
submitted
to
the
staff
last
week
from
the
community
that
are
over
500
and
still
growing
the
the
owner
that
is
identified
in
the
application
for
this
PUD
is
Mecklenburg
Farms
LLC,
just
from
a
review
of
the
records.
It
is
one
of
the
owners
of
the
tracks
that
comprise
this
200
Acres
ideal
homes
is
not
an
owner
of
the
property.
AC
It's
important
to
mention
and
to
note
Mr
Box
discussed
some
of
the
history
of
the
prior
application.
This
property
is
currently
zoned
to
double
a
agricultural,
the
entire
200
acre
tract.
It
is
not
zoned
R1
the
there
was
an
R1
request
that
was
made
in
2021,
but
that
was
after
going
through
the
process
that
application
was
denied
by
the
city
council.
Ultimately,
so
it
remains
double
a
agricultural
where,
of
course,
the
number
of
residences
is
limited
to
the
double
a
agricultural
standards
which
are
you
know,
a
minimum
lot
size
of
five
acres.
AC
The
appropriate
density
and
the
compatibility
of
the
proposed
development
are
the
principal
concerns
that
we
have
that
we
want
to
address
with
you.
This
proposed
PUD,
with
overly
dense
Lots,
packed
into
the
buildable
area
outside
of
the
flood
plain,
is
incompatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
In
our
opinion,
to
the
north
of
this
property
is
the
residential
neighborhood
that
is
known
as
Oakdale
Valley.
AC
The
average
lot
size
there
is
between
11
000
and
12
000
square
feet
to
the
east
of
the
subject.
Property
fronting
on
coming
off
of
Britton
Road
is
the
Autumn
Park
development,
which
is
which
is
currently
being
developed
and
has
a
number
of
completed
homes
and
many
homes
that
are
currently
under
construction.
AC
AC
Oakdale
Meadows
is
located
to
the
north
and
to
the
east
of
Oakdale
Valley
extending
to
Air
Depot
is
comprised
of
one
acre
lots
and
Oakmont
along
Britton
Road
between
sooner
and
Coltrane
is
comprised
of
1.75,
acre
lots
and
then
Casa
Bella,
which
is
also
along
Britain.
Road
to
the
West
is
one
acre
lots.
AC
AC
It
would
allow
minimum
front
yard
setbacks
of
14
feet
instead
of
20
feet
in
R1,
with
garage
setbacks
of
20
feet,
it
would
allow
minimum
yard
rear
yard
setbacks
of
five
feet
instead
of
10
feet
in
R1.
It
would
allow
minimum
Corner
side
setbacks
of
five
feet
instead
of
the
15
feet
required
in
R1,
and
it
would
allow
maximum
lot
coverage
for
buildings
of
65
percent
instead
of
the
50
percent
requirement.
That
is
in
the
standard
for
R1.
AC
AC
This
development
would
preclude
all
tree
preservation
outside
of
the
undevelopable
undevelopable
floodplain.
Excuse
me,
the
applicant,
in
their
discussions
with
us,
has
acknowledged
that
all
trees
would
be
cleared
on
every
one
of
the
proposed
Lots.
The
proposed
development
would
be
a
radical
departure
from
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
AC
AC
AC
This
one
is
of
the
what
I'll
refer
to
as
the
Oakdale
area.
That's
Britton
Road
there
on
the
south.
You
see
Hefner,
then
about
two-thirds
of
the
way
up
the
photo
and
then
on
the
left,
hand,
side
is
Sooner,
Road
and
then
Air
Depot
and
then
Midwest
Boulevard,
as
you
go
to
the
east,
but
I
just
want
to
I
want
to,
and
then
you'll
see
the
subject
property.
AC
There
is
fronting
it's
right
there
on
the
corner
of
Britton
Road
and
sooner
you
can
see
the
existing
Pond
there
in
the
flood
plain
near
the
north
end
of
that
tract.
But
the
reason
why
I
wanted
you
to
see
this
is
because
I
just
want
to
do
a
contrast
view
for
you
just
for
example
purposes.
AC
This
is
a
Google
Earth
image
taken
just
in
the
last
few
days
of
the
that
is,
we
took
it
from
Google
I'm,
not
sure
when
Google
took
the
image,
but
this
is
an
aerial
image
of
the
Valencia
development,
which
is
an
ideal
homes,
development
that
is
located
north
of
Northwest,
178th
Street
between
North
Penn
and
North
May,
and
it's
a
larger
development.
It's
several
hundred
acres
but
I
just
wanted
to
to.
Let
you
see
the
density
that
is
reflected
in
that
development
and
what
is
proposed
in
this
PUD
would
be
very
similar.
AC
It
is
a
comparable
I
believe.
It
also
includes
a
gated
component
and
and
the
very
closely
built
houses
with
very
small
front
yards,
very
small
backyards
and,
and
then
Kelly.
AC
AC
Well,
I
say
it's
comparable
because
of
the
description
that
ideal
homes
has
given
us
of
this
proposed
project
they're.
These
are
very
similar
lot
sizes
on
on
that
Valencia
development.
They
have
a
number
of
products.
They
have
explained
to
us
that
they
offer
those
are
available
in
that
Valencia
development.
As
I
understand
it.
AC
The
last
exhibit
that
I
want
to
to
point
out
to
you.
This
is
just
an
image
that
shows
the
footprint
the
subject
property
there
is
Loca
is
highlighted
with
the
red
star.
This
is
just
a
footprint
of
the
Upland
Forest
Area
and,
as
you
can
see,
there
is
a
significant
portion
of
this
property
that
is,
that
is
included
in
the
Upland
Forest
Area,
and
the
area
that
is
that
is
not
included
is
the
area
that
is
the
undevelopable
flood
plain
on
this
property.
AC
There's
been
references
to
the
what
the
Oklahoma
City
plan
calls
for.
For
this
particular
category.
The
urban
low
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
comprehensive
plan.
Provisions
that
apply,
although
the
gross
range
or
excuse
me,
the
gross
density
range
is
identified
for
the
urban
low
designated
areas
as
four
to
eight
dwelling
units
per
acre
for
single
family.
AC
That
language
is
qualified
in
the
plan
by
the
language
which
states
gross
density
may
be
allowed
to
decrease
to
one
dwelling
unit
per
acre.
If
a
project
is
one
adjacent
to
rural
densities
or
two
will
preserve
designated
environmentally
sensitive
area
through
policies
included
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
noted
in
the
staff
report,
this
proposed
subject:
property
is
adjacent
to
rural
densities.
It
also
has
a
number
of
environmentally
sensitive
areas
which
I'd
like
to
describe
the
Deep
Fork
tributor
tributary
number
seven
runs
through
the
site.
AC
AC
AC
The
under,
as
the
staff
report
notes,
the
underground
aquifer
in
this
area
is
considered
highly
vulnerable
to
depletion.
The
comprehensive
plan
recommends
preserving
natural,
open
spaces
and
utilizing
low
impact
development
techniques
whenever
possible
in
new
developments
in
order
to
maintain
water
quality
and
allow
for
the
filtration
of
storm
water
on
the
site.
AC
As
the
staff
report
States,
preserving
trees
on
the
site
would
assist
with
on-site
infiltration
of
storm
water
for
large-scale
residential
developments,
which
the
comprehensive
plan
defines
as
larger
than
20
acres.
The
plan
calls
for
a
diversity
of
lot
sizes
and
density
ranges
in
this
PUD.
The
only
requirement
for
lot
sizes
in
the
design
statement
is
they
must
be
a
minimum
of
5500
square
feet.
There
is
no
other
requirement.
AC
AC
Both
Sooner
Road
and
Britain.
Road
in
this
area
are
two-lane
asphalt,
roads
without
curb
and
gutter.
There's
no
present
City
plan
that
we're
aware
of
for
the
widening
or
Improvement
of
either
of
those
roads
in
their
present
condition.
We
believe
they're
inadequate
for
the
amount
of
traffic
that
would
be
generated
by
this
proposed
PUD.
AC
We
would
urge
you
to
deny
this
application
I'm
happy
to
certainly
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
of
me
and
Mr
chairman
I
know
there
are
a
number
of
people
that
have
requested
to
sign
up.
We
do
have
an
order
that
we
would
suggest
if
you
will
indulge
us
on
that.
There
is
first,
is
David
Logan,
then
Sheridan,
Haynes
and
then
Frank
Patterson
and
then
Mr
Burt
Fisher.
AC
AL
Excuse
me:
I'm
David,
Logan,
6308,
Northeast,
104th,
Place
I
represent
Oakdale
Valley,
most
of
the
residents
of
Oakdale
Valley
I've
talked
to
them
roughly
about
half
of
them
and
and
when
I
started
talking
to
them
in
January,
I
I
made
it
a
point
to
kind
of
reacquaint
myself
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
I
agree
with
with
David
box
and
his
opening
comments.
We
are
in
complete
support
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
especially
when
I
kind
of
went
back
through
it
and
looked
at
the
building
blocks
of
it.
AL
Those
seven
Big
Ideas
one
of
the
one
of
the
many
reasons
to
really
respect
the
plan
is
it's
got
to
cover
so
much
ground,
not
just
because
the
city's
real
big,
but
because
it
is
diverse,
you
guys
know
this
better
than
me,
but
but
two
of
those
building
blocks
those
seven
Big
Ideas
really
stuck
to
me
when
I
went
back
through
them
because
they
apply
here.
AL
The
toolbox
analogy
I
think
has
come
up
here
a
couple
of
times
in
the
in
the
meeting
this
afternoon
and
those
seven
ideas.
Those
big
ideas
to
me
are
kind
of
like
tools
for
some
jobs.
Some
of
the
tools
are
more
applicable
than
the
others,
and
in
this
case
these
two
really
stood
out
to
me
and
they
have
to
do
with
increasing
housing,
choice
and
diversity
for
all
lifestyles
of
one
and
preserving
rural
character
and
natural
resources,
preserving
rural
character,
natural
resources.
AL
These
are
vital
elements
for
the
parcel
we're
talking
about
here
and
the
and
the
the
application
before
you
just
seems
to
be
conspicuously
absent
in
addressing
much
about
these
two
because
they're
the
critical
two
pieces,
this
northeast
area
with
Rolling
Hills
and
trees,
and
lots
of
Happy
Birds.
It
is
a
bit
different
than
many
of
the
others,
not
even
better,
but
certainly
different,
and
so
it
needs
I
think
an
emphasis
on
these
two
and
then,
when
we
look
at
the
the
chapters
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
those
like
live
OKC
and
sustain
OKC.
AL
When
we
look
at
those
on
top
of
those
seven
Big
Ideas,
we
we
come
up
with
things
like
in
live
OKC,
that
that
element,
talks
about
housing,
choices
and
diversification,
and
it
says,
planned
unit.
Developments
should
be
used
to
encourage
Creative
Design
by
looking
at
developments
in
their
entirety
and
that-
and
that
certainly
includes
or
implies
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
areas.
AL
The
the
put
before
you
is
way
short
of
the
mark.
There
way
short
of
the
mark
and
and
we're
not
looking
for
duplication
by
any
means
we're
not
asking
that
the
the
single
family
homes
in
a
development
that
we're
undoubtedly
going
to
see
here
duplicate
any
one
of
the
other
neighborhoods
they
could,
but
there's
enough
diversity
there.
They
don't
need
to
even
try
we're
not
asking
for
that.
AL
Two
other
chapters
on
top
of
the
seven
Big
Ideas
in
the
plan,
come
to
mind
here
too
green
OKC
and
enrich
OKC.
They
say
that
we're
going
to
protect
the
natural
features.
We've
talked
about
trees,
a
lot
already
I
know,
but
it
says
that
the
boundaries
of
Oklahoma
City
Encompass,
a
variety
of
well-preserved
natural
features
like
riparian
areas,
Upland
forests,
sensitive
aquifers
and
all
of
these
contribute
to
the
landscape.
In
a
number
of
ways,
we
will
preserve
forests.
AL
AL
We
took
out
trees
to
develop
that,
but
so
many
were
retained.
Hundreds
of
natural
first
growth
oak
trees.
Still
there
I've
got
a
dozen
in
my
yard
and
I'm
Not
Alone
by
any
means.
Some
of
my
neighbors
have
even
more
I
think
there
was
a
reference
to
volunteer
trees,
red
Cedars,
there's
a
bunch
of
those
in
play
here
too,
but
good
trees.
You
can
make
them
work,
maybe
not
all
of
them.
I
know
they
suck
up
a
lot
of
water
but
they're
part
of
that
natural
Forest.
That
needs
to
be
retained.
Also.
AL
It
is
true
that
there
will
be
residents
we'll
be
welcoming
new
residents
and
we're
really
happy
to
welcome
new
residents.
We
know
that
it's
going
to
happen,
but
a
thoughtful
pod
with
some
creativity,
some
variety,
some
environmental
sensitivity
and
it
appeals
to
many
types
of
home
buyers.
It's
really
what
you
needed
for
this,
what's
needed
for
this
unique
barcel,
the
the
application
that
you're
considering
really
doesn't
make
the
most
of.
AL
AN
My
name
is
Sheridan
Haynes
I
live
at
11,
500,
Countryside,
Court
and
I
am
here
in
opposition
of
PUD
1930,
both
as
a
community
member
and
a
parent
in
Oakdale
schools.
The
proposed
development
is
not
at
all
consistent
with
the
surrounding
area.
It
is
three
to
seven
times
more
dense
than
the
neighborhoods
surrounding
it.
The
neighborhoods
surrounding
the
proposed
development
also
have
significantly
more
common
areas
and
retained
mature
trees,
for
example,
Oakdale
Valley
to
the
north
that
Mr
Logan
just
mentioned
has
23
common
areas.
AN
It
has
also
been
repeated
countless
times
that,
because
this
area
is
an
urban
low
density,
designation
that
this
PUD
should
just
be
accepted.
However,
as
Mr
work
told
you,
there
is
language
on
the
city's
own
website
and
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
that
allows
for
exceptions
in
cases
like
this,
where
the
surrounding
area
is
rural
and
the
area
is
also
designated
as
environmentally
environmentally
sensitive.
AN
AN
AN
Traffic
studies
indicate
that
a
neighborhood
of
this
density
would
increase
the
trips
per
day
by
five
thousand.
This
area
saw
over
150
wrecks
six
of
those
being
fatal
in
four
years
alone.
This
area
is
also
very
popular
for
bicycle:
bicyclists,
meaning
increased
traffic
would
be
a
major
concern
for
them
as
well.
AN
AN
It
has
also
been
stated
that
the
proposed
development
would
bring
diversity
to
the
area.
However,
housing
diversity
already
exists
in
this
area.
I
would
invite
you
to
drive
around
and
look
at
all
of
the
housing
options.
There
are
lots
of
different
varieties
of
homes,
different
lot
sizes
and
one
of
the
new
neighborhoods
being
built
is
200
homes
that
will
increase
the
availability
of
diverse
housing
in
this
neighborhood,
and
it
is
in
the
very
early
stages
of
development.
AN
When
this
came
before
you
roughly
two
years
ago,
the
commission
stated
that
they
would
like
to
see
a
PUD
that
is
more
compatible
with
what
is
in
the
area.
This
is
not
it.
This
is
three
to
seven
times
more
dense
than
the
surrounding
area,
and
for
this
reason
I
ask
that
you
please
vote
no
to
this
PUD.
Thank
you.
AE
Good
long
afternoon
my
name
is
Frank.
Patterson
I
live
at
11
301
Countryside
Court
in
the
Lakeside
area
of
Oakdale
I'm,
a
geologist
with
over
40
years
of
experience.
So
I've
approached
this
a
little
bit
different
and
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
kind
of
use
your
imagination
and
your
memories
as
we
as
we
look
at
the
area
that
you
you're
very
familiar
with.
AE
If
you
look
at
the
Oakdale
area,
you
note
that
it's
Rolling
Hills
and
a
lot
of
Oaks
and
and
there's
a
reason
for
that.
It's
geologic
I-35
almost
is
the
separation
point
between
the
outcrop
of
the
Garber
Wellington
to
the
east
and
the
Hennessy
Shale
to
the
West.
Most
of
Oklahoma
City
and
Northern
parts
of
Oklahoma
City
are
built
on
the
Hennessy
Shale.
It's
it's
relatively
impermeable.
There
are
silt
stones,
but
it's
relatively
impermeable.
It's
not
a
an
active
recharge
area
for
the
aquifer.
It's
very
difficult
to
find
water
there.
AE
You
don't
find
very
many
personal
water
wells,
because
it's
just
not
a
great
area
for
the
aquifer
As,
you
move
to
the
east
of
I-35,
and
that
is
all
the
way
down
through
Norman,
if
you
think
about
it.
Norman,
on
the
east
side
of
Norman,
Rolling
Hills
trees
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
Midwest
City
are
more
Rolling,
Hills
and
trees
all
the
way
up
to
Edmond
up
to
Guthrie
what
we're?
AE
AE
This
200
Acres
that
we're
talking
about
today
is
right
in
the
middle
of
a
very
large
capture
area
for
that
aquifer,
where
water
actually
comes
down
into
this
area
from
thousands
of
Acres
and
comes
across
this
acreage,
and
it's
a
very,
very
important
area
for
recharge
for
the
aquifer
that
that
we
rely
on
as
the
report
Kelly
noted
it,
but
as
the
the
staff
report
indicated,
it's
a
vulnerable
Reservoir
and
it's
a
sensitive
Reservoir.
It's
also
noted
in
the
USGS
publication
in
2010
about
the
Garfield
Wellington.
AE
AE
AE
AE
So
it's
very
important
for
us
to
understand
putting
high
density
housing
what
it
does
to
the
aquifer.
So
as
you
clear-cut
this
area
and
re-contour
it
in
this
200
Acres,
you've
heard
there'll
be
over
650
homes.
One
minute
remaining,
those
650
homes
will
have
roofs
sidewalks
streets
and
that
water
will
not
go
into
the
Opera
it'll
become
runoff.
AE
AE
Those
Wells
are
already
seeing
stress.
Many
of
many
of
my
neighbors
are
considering
redrilling
their
Wells
and
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
options
to
drill,
because
we
can't
go
much
deeper
because
we
run
in
salt
water.
So
we're
stuck
the
neighborhoods
to
the
east
of
here
and
to
the
northeast
of
here,
do
not
have
City
Water
available
to
them.
AE
We
must
protect
the
aquifer,
so
I
don't
like
to
come
in
front
of
people
and
give
them
problems.
The
solution
is
relatively
simple:
less
dense
development
matters,
it's
critical
to
Opera
recharge,
retain
as
many
trees
as
possible
and
that's
what
these
neighborhoods
have
done
all
around
here.
Yes,
we
cleared
lots
for
houses
but
retain
trees.
I
have
worked
for
200
trees
in
my
yard,
retain
the
topography
and
natural
drainage
wherever
possible,
clear,
cutting
and
recontouring
the
land
is
going
to
alter
the
discharge.
AE
So
since
I'm
out
of
time,
I'm
not
going
to
do
my
other
one
but
I'm
going
to
introduce
the
next
guest
to
give
him
a
little
bit
more
time
that
the
next
guest
is
Dr
Benton
Fisher.
He
did
his
undergrad
studies
at
Yale
in
geology
and
geophysics.
His
graduate
study
was
done
at
Case,
Western
Reserve
and
in
in
Earth.
Sciences
is
40
plus
years
of
research
and
an
application
in
hydrology,
hydrogeology
and
geochemistry.
A
As
Dr
Fisher
is,
is
approaching,
the
podium
I
do
want
to
remind
every
one
of
our
rules
to
avoid
repetitious
opportunities
to
speak
to
the
commission,
so
I'm
just
going
to
name
some
of
the
things
that
I
think
we've
heard
thus
far
and
then
I'll
I'll
give
Dr
fish
an
opportunity
to
address
the
commission.
We've
heard
about
the
compatibility
about
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan
about
preserving
natural
resources
in
the
natural
beauty
and
the
environment.
We've
heard
about
compliance
with
sustain
OKC
and
live
OKC.
A
We've
heard
about
the
importance
of
diverse
housing
types
and
the
lack
of
diverse
housing
types
offered
by
the
current
proposal.
We've
heard
about
concerns
about
flooding
about
traffic
management,
about
the
aquifer
and
the
recharge
of
the
aquifer,
as
well
as
tree
preservation
and
school
capacity.
Dr
Fisher.
You
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
commission.
Fine.
AF
You've
outlined
the
concerns
very
well
and
they
really
come
down
to
making
a
more
impervious
surface
in
terms
of
the
hydrology
and
water
leaving
and
potentially
causing
flooding,
also
Downstream
erosion
from
higher
stream,
velocities
and
stress
on
the
Garber
Wellington
I
like
to
put
the
site
in
some
perspective
and
that's
the
first
slide
exhibit
one
here.
What
you
can
see
is
a
black
outline
within
which
is
sort
of
a
green
shading,
and
that
is
the
Watershed.
AF
That's
all
the
land
that
drains
through
this
tributary
into
the
deep
Fork
and
the
surface
water
flow
is
indicated
by
Blue
arrows
in
the
regional
groundwater
flow
is
indicated
by
the
well.
They
were
orange,
but
I
guess
they're,
yellow
arrows
now,
and
the
point
here
is
that
Upstream,
where
Britain
Road,
but
the
stream
returned
this
tributaries
crosses
beneath
Britain
Road
Upstream
at
that
point
is
1421
Acres.
AF
AF
But
it's
important
to
to
remember
that
we're
sitting
here
with
within
a
flood
plain
and
that
flood
plain
passes
on
over
into
the
deep
fork
and
the
flood
way
is
sort
of
the
candy
striped
piece
there,
and
so
that's
the
current
FEMA
100
Year
floodplain
a
lot
of
the
at
least
there
have
been
so
many
plants
shown
I,
don't
know
which,
which
one
applies
anymore,
but
a
lot
of
the
way
it
was
originally
planted
is
that
we
did
not
didn't
have
the
flood
plain
actually
passed
through
those
plants.
AF
AF
Please
I
apologize
for
this
not
being
better
annotated,
but
this
slide
Compares
in
1941
aerial
photograph
to
what
we
see
in
2022
and
the
site
which
you
probably
recognized
by
now
from
the
presence
of
the
pond,
is
those
two
two
images
exactly
mirror
one
another,
and
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
made
to
the
flood
plain
and
floodway
that
have
constricted
the
floodway
downstream
of
the
development.
That's
happened
over
over
the
years,
so
there
have
been
been
events
that
have
not
been
good
okay.
AF
So
if
we
go
on
to
the
next
slide
and
I
I
don't
submit
this
as
an
an
accurate
play.
It's
based
upon
a
plant
that
was
attached
to
their
amplica
the
application,
but
in
this
instance
we
have
and
you've
heard
about
the
small
setback
Lots.
But
let's
just
I
put
some
numbers
on
this,
which
I
think
are
significant.
AF
I
used
a
first
look
approach
to
doing
a
little
modeling
on
runoff
here
in
the
most
significant
thing
is
that
development
of
this
area
will
roughly
triple
actually
there's
a
little
shy
of
tripling
the
amount
of
runoff
coming
from
that
site
and
based
on.
If
you
look
at
a
at
a
100
year,
flood
in
roughly
a
two-year
flood
as
well
and.
M
AF
The
excess,
runoff
and
I
think
just
the
excess.
That's
the
amount
of
water
that
needs
to
be
handled
to
maintain
a
discharge
consistent
with
historic
flood
highs
in
a
hundred
year,
flood
or
the
one
percent
flood,
because
you
can
have
more
than
one
year
would
require
a
20
acre,
Pond
40
feet
deep
and
even
for
a
two-year
flood.
The
one
you
have
a
chance
of
half
half
50
chance
of
happening
a
year
would
take
a
20
acre,
Pond
nine
feet:
deep:
okay,
that's
just
the
runoff
from
that
site.
AF
In
fact,
the
fact
that
this
area
has
such
permeable
soils
is
why
this
has
such
a
big
impact
on
runoff.
The
soils
in
general
infiltrate
very
well,
but
after
it's
been
developed,
it'll
infiltrate
less
well.
If
we
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
independent
of
what
you
do
with
the
runoff,
if
you
try
to
hold
it
in
a
retention
Pond
and
remember
to
Be
an
Effective
retention
pawn,
it
can't
be
filled
all
the
way
with
water.
AF
Otherwise,
what
comes
in
simply
will
go
out,
so
it
needs
to
be
what
it
needs
to
be
at
the
low
enough
elevation
so
that
the
free
board
allows
whatever
flood
waters
enter
to
be
retained.
Prior
to
discharge,
sustained
elevated
water,
velocities
Downstream
of
this
development
will
engender.
More
erosion
will
cause
more
sedimentation
in
the
place
that
traps.
Those
sediments
is
Lake
Arcadia
at
the
fed
by
the
Deep
Fork
river,
which
will
reduce
its
ability
to
mitigate
flooding.
AF
In
my
last
slide,
you
probably
are
mercifully
in
my
last
life.
This
is
the
the
outline
boundary.
There
is
the
red
and
white
one
is
for
PUD
1930s
outline
boundary.
The
orange
arrows
are
the
direction
of
groundwater
flow,
the
larger
we'll
call
it
a
circle,
but
it's
actually
a
1.5
mile
buffer
around
the
Pud
itself
is
that's
what
that
represents,
and
we
have
only
domestic
water
well
shown
and
they're
the
bulk
of
the
water
wells
in
this
area.
AF
Those
that
are
inside
the
buffer
are
annotated
as
red
dots.
Those
outside
are
as
green
dots,
but
there
are
460
known
groundwater
Wells
within
one
and
a
half
miles
of
PUD
1930
437
of
them
are
domestic
Wells
of
the
bulk
of
them
are
then.
The
significant
thing
here
is
that
groundwater
from
looking
at
these
are
the
ones
known
to
the
Oklahoma
water
board.
It
doesn't
reflect
any
older
Wells,
for
example,
than
about
1990..
AF
The
significance
of
this
is
that
most
of
these
have
a
total
depth
of
around
200
feet,
and
you
really
can't
go
a
whole
lot
deeper,
because
the
base
of
fresh
water
here
is
about
300
feet
so,
and
we
know
that
the
aquifer
is
under
stress,
so
enhancing
infiltration
of
water
would
be
important.
That's
not
necessarily
going
to
be
achieved
fully
by
a
retention
Pond,
simply
because
what
that
water
is
a
lot
of
that
water
has
to
be
discharged
because
it
keeps
coming
in
from
Upstream.
So
I
will
just
end
my
remarks
with
that.
A
And
again,
I
know
we
we
have
just
a
handful
of
people
left
to
speak
and
so
I'd
ask
again
if
you
have
something
additional
to
add.
Besides
the
concerns
that
we've
already
had,
then
then
we'd
like
to
hear
from
you
and
certainly
given
the
late
hour
I'd,
ask
that
if
you
don't
have
anything
substantially
to
add
that
has
not
already
been
mentioned,
that
you
maybe
declined
using
your
opportunity
to
speak,
but
next
up
we
have
Jason
Midkiff.
AO
My
name
is
Jason
Midkiff
309
Northwest
13th
I
am
the
interim
Superintendent
at
Oakdale
Public
Schools
they're,
located
10901
North
Sooner
Road
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
Board
of
Education
of
Oakdale.
In
regarding
to
the
Pud
1930.,
the
Oakdale
Board
of
Education
believes
that
its
position
regarding
the
Pud
1930
has
been
misrepresented.
Therefore,
the
board
fills
the
need
to
be
very
clear
with
the
Planning
Commission.
AO
The
board
has
concerns
about
the
new
development
being
proposed
and
its
impact
on
the
school.
The
intent
of
our
February
15
2013
letter
was
to
show
that
we
are
open
to
discussing
the
development
and
and
to
explore
the
ways
the
schools
can
be
protected,
but
we
absolutely
have
not
come
to
an
agreement
with
the
developer
to
date,
we
feel
that
is
disingenuous.
To
imply
the
board
is
supportive
or
excited
about
the
development.
AO
The
developer
took
preliminary
discussions
with
oakdale's
former
superintendent
and
put
them
into
the
proposed
PUD.
The
developers
never
discussed
the
Pud
with
the
board
never
came
to
any
of
our
board
meetings
and
never
negotiated
with
the
board
about
any
kind
of
official
proposal
about
including
a
school
in
the
Pud.
While
we
remain
open
to
discussing
the
deal
that
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
school,
we
have
not
reached
an
agreement
and
that
protects
the
school
district
from
the
sheer
size
of
the
development.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
And
I
would
add
just
for
Commissioners
on
that
point
and
I
appreciate
that
you
know
our
our
vote
today
is
going
to
be
whether
or
not
to
Zone
that
those
20
acres
and
reserve
it
for
the
school
we
our
vote
today
does
not
impact
whether
or
not
the
school
district
and
the
applicant
reach
some
sort
of
agreement
about
selling
that
land
or
whether
the
school
district
decides
to
buy
it
or
whether
they
decide
to
build
a
school
there.
It's
only
a
question
of
how
we
decide
to
Zone
it.
AP
It
won't
take
that
long,
there's
everything
that
I
wanted
I'm
sorry,
my
name
is
Lori
effinger
I
live
at
8904,
acre
View
Drive,
which
is
East
End
south
of
this
particular
development
I'm
on
a
water.
Well,
I
have
a
septic
tank.
Five
acres
of
land
bought
the
house
back
in
2007
before
all
of
this
development
happened
and
I
understand
that
ideal
homes
has
done
a
lot
of
work.
Re.
AP
For
reasons
that
have
already
been
brought
up,
I
don't
want
to
rehash
that
again,
but
what
I
would
do
is
ask
that
you
refuse
this
PUD
ask
them
to
give
a
continuance
so
that
ideal
homes
and
the
neighborhood
can
continue
to
have
more
meetings
on
a
less
dense
use
of
this
land
that
will
not
destroy
all
the
things
that
have
already
been
brought
up
before
we
realize
that
land
is
going
to
be
developed.
AP
A
A
Next,
we
have
MD
barisi
she's,
not
here:
okay,
David
Hill,.
D
Mr
chairman
I,
appreciate
you
letting
me
come
before
this
committee
and
I
think
I
want
to
thank
each
one
of
you
for
your
time.
Serving
on
this
commission
I
know
it's
a
thankless
job
and
long
and
tiring,
and
it
serves
our
citizens
of
our
city
very
well.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
all.
You
do.
D
I
am
in
opposition
to
this
PUD
and
would
ask
that
you
deny
it
for
all
the
reasons
and
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
reasons
that
have
been
previously
stated.
I
didn't
want
to
bring
up
one
more
thing
very
quickly.
I
was
really
privileged
to
be
one
of
the
founders
of
the
Oklahoma
City
Memorial
marathon
and
Oklahoma
City's
made
great
strides
in
being
a
more
mobile,
more
active
City,
and
you
can
see
it
all
around
from
the
time
of
the
Oklahoma
City
Memorial
marathons
beginning
20
years
ago.
D
To
now
we
have
more
people
running
and
biking
than
ever.
A
favorite
bike
path
in
our
community
is
both
Britton
Road
and
Hefner
Road.
And
if
you
drive
those
roads,
you
will
wait
for
bikers.
Sometimes
enormous
groups
of
people
on
bike
you'll
also,
unfortunately
see
memorials
that
are
white
painted
white
bicycles
on
poles
have
y'all
ever
seen.
D
Those
you'll
see
a
couple
of
those
on
Britton
Road,
because
it's
a
very
narrow
you
know
Rural
Road,
the
thing
that
makes
it
so
attractive
for
bikers
being
more
rural,
more
open,
less
attractive,
less
traffic
and
the
trees
in
the
Hills
would
be
eliminated
by
high
density
housing.
So
that's
just
one
point:
another
point
I'd
like
to
bring
up
is
I
believe
it's
my
unprofessional.
Just
a
Citizen
Homeowner
opinion.
The
The
Witcher
pumping
station
is
under
serious
distress
and
that
the
that
the
city
sewer
that's
available
out
there
is
actually
very
problematic.
D
It
smells
to
high
heaven
all
the
time
I
mean
for
a
year.
It
has
been
an
unbearable
smell
and
I've
talked
to
several
other
people
here
today
that
have
called
in
about
leaks
and
Spills
from
that
City
Sanitation
I
know,
that's
not
the
purview
of
this
commission,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
it
up,
because
really
you
have
this
low
density,
rural
area.
That
I
believe
very
strongly
needs
to
stay.
That
way,
thank
you.
For
your
time,
thank
you.
A
A
AC
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
Kelly
work
again
on
behalf
of
the
group
of
residents
that
are
opposing
the
Pud
I
think
the
point
has
been
well
made
by
the
group
that
has
spoken
in
opposition
to
the
proposed
PUD
that
the
that
this
proposed
development
plan
is
too
dense
and
is
just
not
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area
and
and
we
would
request
that
you
recommend
denial
for
the.
For
that
reason.
AC
I
think
it
really
is
a
decision
that
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
make
as
to
whether
or
not
it
wants
to
follow
the
provisions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
would
encourage
the
protection
of
these
environmental
sensitive
areas
and
encourage
the
compatibility
with
these
areas
that
are
developed
with
with
somewhat
larger
tracks.
We
appreciate
your
time
and
attention.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AI
Z
Real
quickly,
commissioner
Claire
asked
the
question
about
Valencia's
density.
We
did
some
calculations
over
here.
It's
approximately
five
units,
an
acre
so
I'm,
going
to
close
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
agree
that
the
comp
plan
is
what
should
guide
our
discussion
here.
The
independent
objective,
professional
planning
staff
that
we
have
has
analyzed
the
application
against
the
comprehensive
plan
and,
of
course,
recommends
approval
with
three
Tes,
we're
willing
to
add
the
additional
three
Tes.
As
I
mentioned,
increasing
the
school
size.
Z
The
school
doesn't
want
it,
that's
fine,
there's
20
acres
of
land
that
doesn't
get
developed,
but,
finally,
the
the
executive
summary
of
the
comprehensive
plan
has
what
it
calls:
Big
Ideas
increase,
housing
choice
and
diversity
for
all.
Lifestyles
I
would
suggest
that
we
meet
that
build
an
urban
environment
that
facilitates
Health
and
Wellness.
Z
We
have,
over
five
miles
of
walking
trail,
develop
great
places
that
attract
people
and
catalyze
development
Innovation.
We
think
we
meet
that
ensure
a
stable,
safe,
attractive
and
vibrant
neighborhoods.
What
I
would
say
is
the
way
that
they
handle
their
common
area
is
exactly
that:
develop
efficient
to
achieve
fiscal
sustainability
and
improve
quality
of
life.
That's
your
time,
it's
time
when
you
have
city
services
in
an
area
as
we
do
here,
allow.
Z
Fine,
allowing
developments
to
hook
up
to
the
city
services
that
already
exist
does
provide
for
the
efficient
development.
We
urge
you
to
respect
the
plan,
respect
staffed
decision
and
recommend
approval
with
our
three
additional
Tes
as
read.
E
AQ
For
record
I
I
talked
to
our
staff
that
operates
The
Witcher,
lift
station
to
see
its
current
capacity
currently
right
now
it
is
sized
for
80
MGD,
that's
a
million
gallons
a
day
pumping.
Currently
the
we
are
pumping
20
MGD,
so
we
have
plenty
of
capacity
running
some
rough
numbers
on
a
600
home
three
person
house,
2.5,
peaking
Factor,
100
gallons
a
day
per
person
that
lives
in
there.
It's
roughly
about
a
half,
a
million
gallons
a
day
that
would
go
into
the
winter
lift
station.
AQ
AQ
A
N
Very
large
Oklahoma,
City,
Public
Works
I'll
speak
just
real
briefly
to
the
stormwater
runoff
issue
and
the
detention
issue
in
this
particular
location.
It
does
as
far
as
I
am
aware
at
this
point
does
not
fall
within
the
Oklahoma
City
detention
required
area.
However,
the
developer
has,
in
their
presentation,
has
stated
that
they
will
be
provide
providing
stormwater
detention,
so
the
rate
of
the
runoff
Downstream
of
the
existing
Pond
will
remain
at
or
probably
slightly
below
what
the
historic
rate.
What
the
current
rate
is
now
so
they'll
be
detaining
for
their
site.
N
They
will
not
be
detaining
and
storing
for
any
of
the
water
coming
from
the
1400
acre
off-site
Basin
that
water
passes
through
the
pond
now,
with
some
probably
limited
amount
of
storage.
That
will
continue
to
happen
after
the
development.
So
when
that,
when
they're,
when
their
plans
come
in,
we
will
review
the
plans
in
accordance
with
the
current
city
ordinance
to
make
sure
that
it
meets
that
that
criteria
and
that's
what
that's
what
we
will
base
everything
all
of
our
review
on.
N
T
F
AP
F
F
A
N
N
We
are
not
going
to
be
restricting
the
amount
of
water
that
gets
down
into
that
pond.
The
water
that
goes
there
now
will
continue
to
go
into
that
same
location.
We're
not
we're
not
diverting
it
to
a
different
spot.
It's
going
to
go
into
the
pond.
It
will
be
stored
if
we
have
the
porous
soil
that
has
been
just
described
in
some
of
the
the
previous
comments.
It
is
my
opinion
that
that
water
is
going
to
continue
to
infiltrate
into
that
aquifer
and
to
provide
that
recharge.
A
That's
why
one
of
the
things
to
thank
you
Barry
and
that's
why
one
of
the
things
to
consider
is
also-
and
we
had
this
conversation
in
the
premium
and
all
that
our
planning
director
addressed
this.
But
what
are
the
other
things
that
can
be
done,
such
as
you
know,
impermeable
surfaces,
other
things
like
that.
That
may
be
what
tools
we
have
in
our
toolbox
to
ensure
that
we
are
still
helping
with
the
recharge
of
the
aquifer.
G
So
we
have
for,
for
example,
for
for
retention,
increased
impervious
service
or
increased
pervious
surface
area.
There's
the
lot
coverage
maximum,
which
was
mentioned
earlier,
that
that's
an
important
consideration.
It
does
relate
to
how
much
water
and
how
fast
goes
into
the
pond
versus
percolates.
F
A
Will
say
my
Counterpoint
is,
and
I
I
have
had
a
front
row
seat
to
the
numerous
conversations
over
the
last
week.
I
I
forgot,
who
I
told
I
I,
said
I,
think
I
spent
more
time
having
conversations
with
the
attorneys
and
neighbors
than
I
have
doing
my
job
for
the
last
week,
but
I
I
think
several
things
there
have
been
I
think
great
conversations
between
both
sides
about
ways
that
we
can
make
this
development
work.
I
think
I
can
say.
A
In
my
conversations
with
the
neighbors,
there
has
been
a
sincere
effort
to
try
to
find
a
way
for
us
to
bridge
the
gap.
I
think
where
we
are,
regardless
of
the
school
issue,
I'm
going
to
leave
that
alone,
I
think
we'll
take
a
park
or
if
they
don't
want
to
take,
have
a
park,
then
it
sounds
like
the
school
will
be
a
viable
option,
but
my
concern
Still
Remains,
the
number
of
homes
and
I
I've
I-
think
that
we've
heard
from
the
neighbors.
We
know
that
they
don't
have
a
concern
about
worrying
about.
A
They
want
to
see
diverse
people
and
diverse
socioeconomic
housing
types
available
in
the
area.
That's
why
they
haven't
opposed
some
other
developments
that
have
occurred.
We
know
that
they
are
in
support
of
the
schools,
supporting
that
kind
of
of
diversity
as
well.
I
think
the
issue
Still
Remains
is
this
level
of
density
appropriate.
Is
this
level
of
density
compatible
and
I
think
that
I
applaud
the
developer
for
coming
up
with
more
and
more
creative
ways
to
try
to
address
those
issues?
A
I
think
that
the
developer
has
been
sincere
in
trying
to
find
some
ways
to
manipulate
the
the
the
proposed
development
to
try
to
accommodate
the
concerns,
and
there
has
been
some
movement
as
I
said
in
the
the
last
negotiation
meeting
between
neighbors
and
the
developer,
I
sincerely
feel
like
we
had
conversations
where
we
got
to
a
point
where
we
moved
I
I
hope
that
I
know
that,
regardless
of
whether
we
recommend
denial
or
whether
we
recommend
supporting
this
application,
it's
going
to
city,
council
and
I
would
say.
A
I
know
that
whoever
the
side
that
does
not
Prevail
is
going
to
want
continued
conversations
and
I
strongly
encourage
that
to
happen.
I
I
think
that
we
want
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
develop
this
area
that
is
respectful
of
the
history
that
is
respectful
of
the
existing
neighbors
that
addresses
the
concerns
they
have
about
the
environment
and
the
aquifer
and
I
I
think
in
many
ways
some
of
the
things
that
City
staff
helps
have
said
helps
but
I
think
the
continued
conversation
continuing
to
address
the
density
is
a
good
idea.
B
I
think
in
the
in
the
applicant's
presentation
we
heard
a
lot
of
hard
numbers
that
addressed
some
of
the
concerns
traffic.
You
know
it's
currently
2
200
trips
a
day
when
a
total
build
out
is
going
to
be
66
and
I
know
that
the
city
doesn't
even
look
at.
You
know:
Road
widening
expansions
until
10
000.,
so
they're
at
you
know
not
two-thirds
of
capacity
on
traffic.
It's
on
it's
on.
We've
got
public
utilities,
water
and
sewer.
B
B
You
know,
I,
just
I,
think
you
look
at
the
character,
the
area,
the
rule
you
know,
I
would
love
to
see
five
acre
lots
or
even
two
and
a
half
acre
lots,
I
suspect
and
we
don't
get
we're
not
privy
this
information.
I
suspect
because
of
the
land
costs
these
days.
Those
numbers-
just
don't
pencil,
I,
don't
think
you
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
you
could
ever
see
a
parcel
in
this
size
be
developed
at
that
cost,
especially
with
Public
Utilities.
B
All
this
investment's
been
made
in
public
water
and
sewer
in
the
area
that
needs
density
to
recoup
those
costs
and
those
taxpayer
Investments.
So
I
think
it's
a
hard
pill
to
swallow,
but
I
think
and
and
being
this
being
close
to
35
you're,
gonna,
you're
gonna
start
seeing
more
denser
development
out
in
this
area.
A
J
Scott
used
to
say
it
a
lot
of
rooftops:
Drive
infrastructure
infrastructure
drives
density,
you
know,
and
we
have
that
a
lot
in
ward
3
and
we
see
that
a
lot
in
Ward
three,
two
five
acre
homes,
10
acre
homes,
large
acreage,
but
but
now
utilities
are
coming
in
and
they're
smaller
lots
and
they're
smaller
lots,
and
it
creates
that
diversification
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
There's
a
difference
between
consistency
and
compatibility.
I
think
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
what
we've
heard
today
is
is
more
based
on
consistency
versus
compatibility.
J
I
I
think
the
the
same
thing
that
this
area
is
probably
going
to
continue
to
get
more
and
more
dense,
as
as
the
infrastructure
starts
develop
as
these
homes
come
in,
as
the
traffic
does
accommodate
for
four
lane
streets
or
two-lane
streets,
it
it
it's
happening
in
Mustang,
right
now
so
or
Ward.
Three.
A
Any
other
comments
from
commissioners
I
cannot
make
a
motion,
but
my
support
would
be
for
denying
this
application
or
for
and
if,
if
we
do
move
forward
with
denial,
I'm
sure
that
the
applicant
will
want
to
have
some
more
continued
conversations
and
we
can
address
the
issue.
In
my
opinion,
what
is
the
biggest
issue,
which
is
the
density?
The
number
of
homes
is
the
real
thing
that
we
need
to
address
so
I
I
stand
by
that.
F
Well,
I,
you
know,
I
mean
I
I,
see
your
point
on
density.
I
do
think
that
there's
they've
made
quite
quite
extreme
attempts
to
to
please
the
the
neighbors
and
you
know,
they've
concentrated
the
biggest
Lots,
the
Gated
Community,
the
senior
area
bordering
these
developments,
where
the
most
of
the
concerns
are
so
I,
I
I'm.
Still
in
favor
of
this
and
I,
do
we
go
to
a
vote?
Is
it.
A
Z
Mr,
chair
staff
has
asked
that
I
read
those
in
those
additional
ones.
Go
ahead
so
for
track,
two
shall
be
not
less
than
20
acres.
Lots
of
Bud
in
the
north
property
line
shall
have
a
minimum
width
of
70
feet
and
the
max
density
shall
be
3.35
dwelling
units
per
acre.
AC
I
think
there
needs,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
reference
to
track
two,
it
needs
to
be
specified
where
track
two
is
to
be
located.
The
current
PUD
that
is
before
you
today
shows
a
15-acre
tract
that
is
in
the
middle
of
the
Britain
Road
Frontage,
it's
not
on
the
corner.
So
if
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
clarification
about
that,
okay,.
Z
A
So
the
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
of
PUD
1930,
subject
to
the
three
additional
technical
evaluations,
as
has
been
read
into
the
record,
is
there
a
second.
A
It's
been
seconded
by
commissioner
clear.
Please
cast
your
votes
when
available.
A
Foreign
passes
I
will
I
will
remind
our
neighbors
that
in
six
weeks
this
same
application
will
be
before
the
city
council.
So
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
to
continue
to
reach
out
to
councilwoman
nice
and
to
members
of
the
city
council.
A
I
believe
we've
reached
the
end
of
our
separate
items
to
be
heard.
We're
now
on
to
additional
items.
Are
there
any
additional
items,
seeing
none
we're
on
to
Planning
Commission
committees?
Do
our
committees
have
any
reports
Planning
Commission
members?
Does
anybody
have
anything
after
this
long
meeting
today,
planning
department,
nope
no
report
from
the
planning
department,
I
mean
that's
the
council's
office,
any
additional
citizens
to
be
heard.