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From YouTube: Historic Preservation Commission - May 6, 2020
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The regular monthly meeting, via video conference, of the Oklahoma City Historic Preservation Commission for May 6, 2020.
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So
the
meeting
procedures
are
noted
in
the
agenda
that
was
sent
out,
there's
a
couple
things
that
we
do
want
to
discuss
in
terms
of
the
meeting
process.
The
item
1b
specifically
on
certificates
of
appropriateness
when
an
application
has
been
approved
and
after
a
10-day
protest
period
has
expired.
The
Historic
Preservation
officer
will
mail
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
the
applicant
city.
Construction
permits
cannot
be
issued
until
that
CA
has
been
issued
and
please
contact
HP
staff
for
final
design,
review
inspection
or
to
withdraw
items
that
will
not
be
completed.
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In
regards
to
the
appeals
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
any
person
aggrieved
by
any
decision
granting
or
denying
a
CA
may
appeal
to
the
Oklahoma
City
Board
of
Adjustment.
All
appeals
shall
be
made
within
10
days
of
the
Commission
decision
by
filing
a
written
as
written
notice
of
appeal
with
the
clerk
from
the
board
of
adjustments
that
takes
us
through
item
1
beep
Katie.
Do
we
have
anything
for
item
2
from
the
office
of
the
store
preservation
officer,
I'll.
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Meeting
just
a
few
tips
and
reminders
for
folks
again
if
you
are
not
currently
participating
in
the
discussion
of
an
item,
please
keep
yourself
muted
during
the
meeting
and
we
do
have
people
participating
via
a
phone
only
so
even
though
you
can
see
yourself
on
zoom,
please
try
to
remember
to
say
who
you
are
before
you
speak,
so
that
those
who
are
just
listening
in
can
keep
track
of
who
is
participating.
If
you
have
any
technical
difficulties
during
the
meeting,
please
let
us
know
and
staff
will
try
and
get
those
addressed.
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We
did
not.
We
don't
have
a
code
enforcement
report
for
you
this
month
and
all
of
the
transition
from
different
types
of
meetings
and
different
staff
position
restructuring.
We
don't
have
a
report
attached
to
your
materials.
We
will
get
a
report
out
to
you
prior
to
the
next
month
and,
as
always,
feel
free
to
contact
staff.
If
you
have
questions
about
any
issues
that
you've
observed.
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Historic
district:
we
are
not
weighing
in
on
the
condition
of
the
structure,
because
that
is
being
evaluated
by
code
enforcement,
the
property
agents
process
of
being
declared
dilapidated
following
a
significant
fire,
and
we
may
see
you
know
future
applications
for
demolition
and
obviously
for
reconstruction
on
the
site.
But.
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Yes,
we
have
two
National
Register
nominations
this
month.
The
first
one
is
for
the
Villa
Theresa
historic
district,
it's
a
small
district,
but
it
is
a
district
because
there
are
multiple
structures
and
this
nomination
is
being
prepared
as
part
of
a
historic
tax
credit
project
for
the
property
I
think
most
people
are
very
familiar
with
this
resource,
but
it
is
being
nominated
for
its
historic
significance
and
architectural
significance.
It's
rare
remaining
example,
residential
development
that
was
once
very
common
in
Midtown,
Oklahoma
City
and
we're
excited
to
see
this
property
get
nominated
to
the
National.
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The
neighborhood
listed
there
was
another
meeting
a
few
months
ago
with
the
what
is
now
I,
combined
neighborhood
association
in
Heritage,
Hills
and
heritage
I'll
eat
to
tell
them
about
the
progress
of
the
project,
and
there
was
notice
published
in
the
journal
record
about
the
National
Register
nomination,
because
it's
more
than
50
property
owners.
So
that's
the
requirement.
I
Is
Linda
Schultz?
No
recommend
that
please
support
for
denomination
of
Heritage,
Hills,
East,
historic
district
to
the
mayor
and
city
council,
the
Oklahoma
Historic
Preservation
Review
Committee
in
the
state
preservation
officer
and
the
keeper
of
the
National
Register
and
adults
about
the
resolution
is
provided
as
part
of
the
status
report.
I'll.
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Is
20
feet
wide
at
the
curb
and
not
including
the
sir
radius
and,
typically
when
we
see
those
side,
streets
garages
that
are
so
close
to
the
street,
so
it's
driveways.
Usually
this
thing
you
know
we
usually
don't
have
those
paper
the
way
one
does
when
it's
behind
the
house,
where
you
have
a
narrow,
driveway
going
up
and
then
why
panning
out
behind
a
house
so.
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A
Excellent
motion
passes
anybody
with
a
anybody.
That's
on
the
call
that
was
in
the
consent,
docket
it's
free
to
go
unless
you
want
to
stick
around
for
the
rest
of
this
HP
meeting.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
we'll
move
on
to
item
D
cases
for
individual
consideration
start
with
HPC
a
1900
one
for
one
at
8:05,
41st
Street.
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Is
an
application
for
consideration
of
possible
action
on
an
application
of
Joshua
Jones
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
number
five
install
driveway
gate
elective?
This
is
a
proposal
that
the
Commission
saw
previously
and
wanted
to
get
verification
from
the
property
owner
of
the
height
of
the
neighboring
gate,
because
it
is
a
proposal
to
have
two
driveway
gates
adjacent
to
each
other,
with
matching
Heights
on
what
is
similar.
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A
shared
driveway
they,
the
applicant,
has
indicated
that
the
neighboring
gates
is
six
feet.
Six
inches
tall.
The
proposed
gate
is
arched
and
illustrated
three
six
foot
ten
at
the
center,
so
they're
trying
to
match
that
neighboring
gate
with
the
design
staff
recommended
approval
with
unique
circumstances
addressing
the
similar
gate
Heights
at
the
adjacent
property.
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Well,
I'm
reading
your
the
conditions
noted
in
the
staff
report-
and
it
says
the
proposed
gate
replicate
the
abetting
gate
and
such
that
there's
an
appearance
of
a
matching
pair.
If
that's,
what
the
applicant
is
agreeing
to
do,
I
would
make
a
motion.
Is
the
applicant
yes
I'm
agreeing
to
do
that?
Yeah!
That's
accurate!
Okay,.
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Is
an
Heritage
Hills,
East
Ward
6
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
of
Scott
Henderson
OPM
Realty
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
one
install
can
LED
lights
at
3rd
floor
third
story?
Stop
it
elective
and
the
Commission
saw
this
application
previously
and
we
have
not
received
any
additional
information
or
revisions
from
the
applicant.
So
staff
has
recommended
a
continuance
at
this
time.
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Application
is
in
messed
up
our
cord
6
consideration,
impossible
action
on
application
by
Holly,
Hunt,
Sam,
Gresham,
architects
for
Pat
Salome,
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
one
constructor,
erudition
elective
to
construct,
covered,
rear,
porch,
elective
and
free
can
reconstruct
wraparound
portion
of
front
porch.
Elective
Holly
hunt
is
I
believe
on
the
call
today
and
to
speak
to
any
questions
you
may
have.
The
Commission
has
seen
this
application.
Previously.
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Do
have
images
that
Holly
has
provided
of
the
capstone
cat
that
she's
mentioning
from
the
proposed
extension
of
the
front
porch.
We
didn't
get
those
in
time
to
make
them
available,
but
she
has
shared
those
with
staff
and
it
does
appear
to
be
the
same
style
of
a
cast
down
cast
in
the
same
dimensions
as
the
ones
currently
existing
on
the
front.
Porch.
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I
will
take
that
if
staff
is
I
mean
I
would
I
would
take
that
information,
but
I
think
they
already
have
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
a
part
of
the
application
that
it
is
clear
that
they
found
these
things
saw
these
things
and
that's
the
reason
they
feel
confident
they
should
they
should
they
can
build
it
back.
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We
delineate
among
old
and
new
house,
with
a
piece
of
vertical
trim
board
very
similar
to
what
we
have
currently
on
the
corners
of
the
home.
It'll
be
about
the
same
dimension
and
no,
it
will
run
to
delineate
the
addition.
The
porch
itself
is
delineating
and
because
it's
really
just
kind
of
tacked
on
to
the
back.
We
have
minimal
changes
to
the
existing
rear
wall.
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D
This
is
in
Meza
park
board
six
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
Jamie
Alan
Blue
Haven
pools
for
James
Pickens,
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
one
install
pool,
spa
and
mechanical
equipment
elective
and
to
install
new
fence
elective.
The
Commission
has
seen
this
application
previously
as
well.
The
applicant
submitted
some
additional
materials
regarding
their
site
plan
and
fence,
location
and
I
will
note
that
we
realized
the
staff
recommendation
under
e.
2
was
intended
to
say,
recommend
approval
with
the
specific
findings
and
unique
circumstances
that
are
written
below.
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Yes,
this
is
Jim
Pickens
on
the
homeowner
801
Northwest
17th,
Street
phone
numbers,
405,
8208,
461
and
I-
guess
I
guess
the
only
thing
I'd
add
add
to
this.
Just
as
you're
talking
about
this,
you
may
want
to
show
him
the
aerial
view
if
you've
got
it
in
there
Katie,
because
that
was
that
was
one
thing:
they're
kind
of
wondering
about
with
the
fence
position
on
the
east
side
of
the
house.
I.
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O
The
other
thing
I'd
point
out
which
you
guys
have
in
your
packets,
is
that
it
literally
realized
that
this
is
literally
a
full
lot
between
the
North
abutting
property
and
my
property.
That's
split
in
half,
so
I
have
one
half
they
have.
The
north
property
has
the
other
half
so
I
mean
it's
quite
a
bit
of
distance
between
the
two
houses
at
which
you
can
really
appreciate
on
aerial
views.
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D
Is
an
messed
up,
our
chord
six
consideration
impossible
action
on
application
of
John
and
Allison
Mecca
poor
four
certificate
of
appropriateness,
two
one
replace
existing
garage
doors
at
front
elective
to
install
garage
doors
and
opening
on
the
rear
of
the
garage,
elective,
three
replace
gate
at
driveway
and
two
other
openings
in
the
fence.
Wall,
elective
and
four
widen
opening
and
retaining
wall
at
driveway,
elective
I
believe
the
property
owner
is
on
the
call
today.
I
know
we
have
several
other
folks
from
the
neighborhood
on.
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D
Is
accurate?
We
staff
recommended
continuance
on
the
garage
door
opening
at
the
rear
at
the
garage,
and
that
was
only
as
a
way
to
raise
the
Commission's
awareness
that
this
would
be
the
first
alley.
Access
garage
on
that
block.
As
far
as
we
know
it
minimally
visible
from
the
front
of
the
building,
but
it
would
be
visible
off
the
side
street
and
from
the
alley.
So
just
wanting
to
make
everyone
aware
of
that
change
to
the
nature
of
the
property.
So.
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I
may
that
this
is
actually
not
the
first
alley
approach
on
our
block.
In
the
same
alley,
five
houses
down
there's
a
rear-facing
garage.
It's
almost
identical
from
the
other
Street
Francis
as
we
are
from
ollie
we're
about
ninety
five
feet
from
ollie.
This
is
about
a
hundred
and
three
feet
from
Francis
visible,
it's
on
907,
Northwest
eighteenth,
so
we
would
not
be
setting
a
new
precedence
for
more
or
less
following
the
historic
precedence
of
the
alleyway
and.
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F
Would
I
mean
my
request?
I'm
not
opposed
to
it,
but
I
would
request
that
we
have
drawings
that
are
measured
drawings
with
the
doors,
the
original
doors
on
there,
with
the
original
doors
drawn
with
specific
measurements
of
the
doors
and
the
materials
and
before
work
is
done,
and
that
and
that
what
I?
What
I
see
saying
is
that
the
back
doors
are
going
to
be
built
to
match
those.
So
I
just
feel
like
that,
the
drawing
that
was
turned
in
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
have
any
measurements
and
it
doesn't
really
specify
the
material.
F
S
F
I
just
feel
like
for
the
record,
since
you
are
indicating
you
feel
like
they're
original,
that
it
would
be
in
everybody's
interest.
Let's
say,
and
the
purpose
for
this
would
be
lets
say
that
you
finish
your
whole
project
and
it
burns
down
the
week
after
you
know,
we
would
not
have
any
evidence
that
we
could
have
had
if
you
would
have
had
some
drawings,
so
that
that's
kind
of
my
interest
in
this
is
that
I
feel
like
that.
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F
Mike
Allen
Jimmy
trim.
Again
that's
my
concern.
It's
just
that
I'm
with
it's
really
not
clear.
What's
going
to
be
rebuilt
in
that
in
the
application
says,
we
replace
the
existing
sliding
garage
doors,
but
it
doesn't
say
what
you
just
explained
the
owner
just
explained.
So
they
could
look
a
lot
different
I
mean
they
maybe
may
have
to
make
changes
in
order
to
make
them
an
overhead
door.
I
mean.
Is
it
going
to
be
a
totally
custom?
I
mean
if
it's
going
to
yes.
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D
And
we
can
check
to
see,
but
after
the
meeting,
if
we
had
any
additional
from
the
applicant,
if
you
all
are
comfortable
with
in
concept
a
replacement
kind
of
the
door
except
for
the
conversion
to
an
overhead
door,
then
we
can
work
with
the
applicant
to
get
more
detailed
drawings
of
what
that's
going
to
look
like
and
obviously,
if
the
completed
drawings
are
dissimilar
from
what's
there
now,
we
could
bring
that
back
to
the
Commission
for
further
review.
I.
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F
Though
we
just
need
a
drawing
of
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
because
there's
no
way
that
I
mean
there's
just
no
way,
it's
going
to
look
exactly
like
that
and
in
the
the
the
application
implies
that
it's
going
to
look
exactly
like
that,
but
there's
no
drawings
really
to
indicate
what
the
final
result
is
going
to
be.
It's
not
going
to
be
like
you've
taken
the
reverie
and
particularly
now
you've
said
you
think
it's
original.
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E
I
also
want
to
fill
up
here.
I
don't
want
to
get
deep
in
the
woods,
but
I
believe
that
there
are
kind
of
mounting
options
or
tracks
where
you
could
have
a
solid
panel
door.
That
still
goes
overhead
that
doesn't
have
that
panel.
You
know
that
panel
eyes
look,
so
maybe
you
know
to
kind
of
build
on
what
you're
saying.
Maybe
some
options
like
that
can
be
explored.
You
know
some
different
track
options
or
something
to
where
you
could
kind
of
maintain
the
same.
E
E
C
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T
Item
real
quickly
report
in
the
past
ago,
it's
true
that
we
have
been
able
to
take
what
was
originally
a
solid
door
and
section
it
and
replicate
you
know
to
to
the
millimeter
the
design
that
was
a
originally
there
and
as
Katie
was
referencing.
If
you
can
get
comfortable
with
it,
we
can
very
much
photograph
and
very
perfectly
replicate
the
pattern
of
the
door.
That's
there
now
and-
and
you
have
in
the
past,
approved
section
doors
that
were
once
originals
solid
slab,
I'm.
F
Not
opposed
I'm
not
opposed
it's
just
that
we,
it
is
different
than
what
it
states
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
proposal
and
I
just
want
to
see.
I
mean
we're.
We
always
make
people
show
us
exactly
what
the
doors
are
going
to
look
like
sure,
I
mean
whether
they
are
there
and
they're
replicating
them
or
not.
We
need
to
because
once
they're
gone
once
you
take
them
off
and
throw
them
in
you
know
and
they're
gone.
Then
nobody
is
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
stay
other
than
a
photograph
yeah.
T
So
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
that
does
need
to
be
documented.
My
request
for
John's
benefits
that
he
can
move
forward
is
that
that
drawing
before
it's
approved,
be
produced
and
be
blessed
by
Kay
Deena
Angela,
because
I
believe
they
their
eyes
are
qualified
to
see
what
that
drawing
is
what's
on
sigh
and
and
to
move
that
on
down
the
road
versus
waiting
a
whole
nother
month.
What
would
that
be.
T
F
To
be
that
different
I,
don't
think
that's
a
sliding
door
in
a
in
a
panel
door
are
different,
I'm,
not
saying
it
won't
be
approved,
I'm
just
saying
that
I
feel
I,
don't
feel
comfortable.
Approving
that
and
I
think
it's
I
personally
think
it's
a
little
different
too
different
for
staff
to
I'd.
Rather
that
part
of
the
of
the
proposal
come
back
to
the
Commission,
but
I.
C
F
T
That's
all
I,
ask
I
mean
we're
not
getting
anything
by
anyone.
Katy
and
Angela
would
be
looking
at
this
and
and
I've
worked
with
them
enough
to
know
that
if
we
represented
it
correctly
and
they
could
verify
it
that
administratively,
it
could
be
passed
on
and
we'd
allow
this
homeowner
to
move
on
with
his
work.
So.
I
T
I
F
Mean
you
didn't
I
know
you
didn't,
send
you
didn't
turn
in
the
first
drawing
right,
so
I
am
I'm
a
little
confused
if
you
were
doing
the
project
and
we
knew
that
we'd
have
to
have
drawings,
then
I
think
that
that
drawing
should
have
been
submitted
of
some
sort
and
then
maybe
we
could
have
gone
from
there,
but
somebody
can
make
a
motion
and
go
with
it.
So.
D
Adding
the
garage
doors
on
the
back
of
the
garage
involves
garage
doors
that
match
the
ones
on
the
front
of
the
garage.
So
that
item
probably
hinges
on
approval
of
the
replacement
of
the
historic
garage
doors.
Whether
whether
the
motion
is
to
approve
those
with
a
semental
to
staff
or
to
continue
those,
we
do
have
a
recommendation
for
approval
or
replacing
the
gates
and
widening
the
opening
at
the
driveway.
E
E
You
know
Katy
and
Angela
can
go
out
there
and
look
at
it
if
they
felt
they
needed
to
so
I
I
feel
confident
that
Katy
and
Angela,
if,
if
there
was
anything
that
they
were
concerned
about,
you
know
if
they
thought
anything
might
be
out
of
the
ordinary
or
not
what
was
represented
today,
that
that
they
would
send
it
back
to
the
next
meeting,
just
my
two
cents.
What.
C
E
S
J
F
F
F
S
F
That's:
okay!
That's
okay!
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
hard
on
you
anything,
but
it's
difficult
because
we're
trying
to
write
you
know
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
know
exactly
what's
going
to
happen
so
that
when
you
do
it,
there's
no,
that
everybody
knows
what
it
was
going
to
be,
and
somebody
doesn't
say
well,
I
thought
it
was
gonna,
be
this
way
and
I
thought
it
was
gonna.
Be
that
way
we
don't
have
anything
to
compare
to
the.
C
Other
thing
that's
been
that's
been
I've
been
reminded
of
preparing
these
is
that
we're
also
wanting
documentation.
So
so
there's
no
uncertainty
when
the
inspector
goes
out
to
make
sure
that
you
complied
with
the
CA.
If
there's
no
drawing
and
there's
no
dimension
they're
just
you
know
they
don't
have
anything
to
check.
G
C
N
Vidoes
Angela
mr.
McClure
is
correct.
He
did
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
in
my
office,
but
he
had
to
do
some
traveling
I
do
have
an
email
response
from
mr.
McClure.
That
indicates
that
the
actual
current
white
width
of
the
driveway
gate
is
104
inches
by
72
inches
tall
and
the
site
plan
that
he
provided
at.
That
time
is
in
your
packet,
and
his
original
proposal
was
to
increase
the
width
of
the
opening
by
18
inches,
so
that
puts
the
final
width
of
the
opening
at
122
inches.
F
Just
discussed
how'd
that
we
thought
it
was
gonna,
be
8
and
a
half
feet
so
8
and
1/2
Ana
I'm
now
I'm
not
really
sure
how
wide
the
final
one
will
be.
Every
10
feet,
so
10
feets
different
than
8
and
a
half
I
thought
we
were
going
from
anyway.
First
I
mean
I'm
indigo.
We
said
it
was
too
small
to
get
a
car
through,
so
we'd
have
to
go
to
8
and
a
half
feet,
but
now
and
I
see
that
marked
on
a
drawing
it
just
says:
100
and
feet
104
feet
wide.
F
F
A
S
S
C
C
E
S
J
D
S
E
D
Is
in
Heritage,
Hills
Ward
6
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
of
John
Chadwick
jr.
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
3,
convert
garage
doors
to
single
door
collective.
This
is
a
proposal
to
replace
the
existing
garage
doors
with
a
single
double
width
garage
door
in
a
very
similar
style.
We
do
have
the
specifications
of
the
door
to
be
installed
in
the
opening.
It
is
at
a
garage
that
is
located
partially
behind
the
house
and
also
partially
behind
a
portico
chair.
A
A
A
F
C
D
Think
the
the
South
elevation
was
reflecting
dimensions
of
the
overall
openings
and
some
other
changes
that
they
had
initially
proposed
that
they're
not
moving
forward
with,
so
that
probably
doesn't
really
need
to
be
part
of
your
attachments.
If
you
look
at
the
page
prior
to
that,
it
shows
the
photo
of
the
existing
door
in
your
packet
and
then
the
last
page
shows
the
proposed
doors
and
the
design
of
those.
So
you
can
disregard
that
South
elevation,
drawing.
C
A
M
D
This
is
an
master
Park,
Ward
6
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
Andrew
Thomas
for
Chris
gray,
prairie
property,
Solutions
LLC
for
certificate
of
appropriateness,
2
1,
construct
addition
elective
and
to
construct
garage.
Electives
staff
recommended
approval
for
the
proposed
addition.
But
a
continuance
for
the
garage
concerns
with
the
garage
were
largely
that
it
is
slightly
larger
than
the
recommended
size
for
a
new
garage
and
also
that
the
spacing
between
the
garage
and
the
proposed
addition
was
not
something
that
would
be
functional
if
constructed.
A
U
Sure
yeah
the
the
original
existing
garage,
which
is
not
there
now
there
is
a
slab
there,
but
there
is
no
garage
was
obviously
a
little
bit
different
size
and
configuration.
But
what
we
did
was
plan
for
a
new
garage
to
be
built
on
the
back
corner
of
the
property
line
and
I
in
and
I.
Think.
One
of
the
considerations
was
that
the
roof
overhanging
in
encroach
on
the
rear
property
lining
on
that
on
the
east
property
lines,
we're
more
than
welcome.
N
R
N
J
N
U
Well,
I
think
we
feel
as
though
the
garage
was
designed
it
would
be.
You
would
be
pulling
in
all
the
way
in
and
then
you
would
be
pulling
out
in
Reverse
all
the
way
out.
There
might
be
enough
room
where
you'd
have
the
ability
for
a
three
point
or
a
four
point
turnaround,
but
wouldn't
necessarily
be
required.
If
you
could
get
out,
you
could
park
two
cars
in
that
garage
and
the
one
on
the
left
side
could
could
pull
out
and
maneuver,
and
you
can
get
out
those
and
start
thinking
right
there
any
further.
U
F
F
U
U
N
U
N
J
C
U
O
U
A
A
G
F
F
N
E
Yeah
see
what
you're
saying,
although
if
I'm
looking
at
it,
is
kind
of
hard
to
see,
but
it
looks
like
where
that
wall
turns
in
without
door.
Opening
is
framed
out
that
it
looks
like
it's
kind
of
even
with
that
back
wall
there.
So
maybe
you
know
I
seems
like
you
could
probably
pull
out.
Even
you
know
the
full
car
length
it's
straight
out,
but
it's
kind
of
hard
to
tell
from
that
side
plan.
U
C
U
I
do,
and
that
was
one
of
the
original
questions
I
had
earlier
addressed
as
far
as
moving
the
garage
at
least
a
foot
in
you
know,
from
both
sides,
from
the
back
property
line
and
from
the
side
property
line
in
order
to
keep
the
roof
from
encroaching
the
cross.
The
original
garage
was
in
fact,
I,
think
built
on
the
property
line.
C
E
C
E
C
C
D
If
it's
not
at
all
uncommon
for
projects
like
this
to
get
to
development
services,
plan
review
and
need
to
adjust
the
location
of
a
structure
just
slightly
when
this
minor
adjustment,
that's
something
that
staff
can
handle
administrative
Lee.
If
it
was
a
more
significant
change,
we
would
bring
it
back
to
the
Commission.
C
E
E
C
I
would
recommend
that
that
the
window
be
eliminated
on
the
west,
so
you
wouldn't
have
to
slide
it
over
to
the
west.
I
mean
East
turned
around
sorry
right,
I
think
that'd
be
a
better
solution,
so
I
know
you'll
find
that
out
when
you
go
to
get
your
building
permit,
but
I'd
hate
to
say
that
I
would
like
to
see
you
smooth
the
garage
to
the
to
the
ease
personally.
C
U
U
A
D
A
D
This
is
a
somewhat
unusually
configured
property
where
there
is
a
driveway
coming
in
from
the
cross
street
at
the
intersection
accessing
a
quarter
to
share
and
then
a
second
driveway
off
the
side
street
accessing
the
detached
garage.
It
appears
from
certificate
of
appropriateness
records
that
the
driveways
have
been
in
this
configuration
since
at
least
the
early
seventies,
I
believe
and/or.
As
early
as
we
have
a
record
of
this
property
and
the
garage
location
and
Porter
to
share
our
historic.
P
A
I
Well,
nothing's
important
that
the
neighborhood
has
incurred
the
staff
recommendations
on
this
one
and
that
that
their
feet.
Input
to
this
is
that
two
driveways
exist
in
other
areas
of
the
district.
With
this
configuration
so
was
apartment
safety.
You
know
their
concern
is
and
I
think
that's
historic
ramifications
of
that
and
if
it
doesn't
date
exist
in
other
areas
to
the
neighborhood
and
has
for
some
time
and
I.
Think
that
that
eases
my
mind
on
that
a
lot
so
I'm
fine
with
it.
A
D
E
D
The
only
thing
on
that
condition
that
I
think
was
an
outstanding
item
that
the
Commission
hasn't
addressed
was
that
the
site
plan
shows
the
radius
of
the
pavement
at
the
top.
The
side
street,
facing
driveway
extending
beyond
the
gate
and
we've
discussed,
is
the
applicant
making
that
hazing
match
the
width
of
the
gate
so
that
you
had
a
little
bit
of
a
reduction
in
the
paving
there
and
they
were
happy
to
submit.
They
were
going
to
submit
a
revised
site
plan
to
show
that
change.
Okay,.
E
P
P
D
D
L
L
F
I
would
I
would
comment
that
there
there's
one
thing
that
would
probably
clarify
the
size
and
everything
for
everybody
would
be
perhaps
an
elevation
of
the
backyard
with
the
key
buildings,
the
front
of
the
two
buildings,
the
garage
and
the
proposed
outdoor
kitchen
I.
Think
if,
if
that
was
a
an
elevation
and
we
were
comparing
the
those
two
buildings
and
the
heights
and
everything
I
think
that
most
questions
would
be
answered,
and
perhaps
it
if
those
that
drawing
was
done.
Maybe
you
could
see
how
big
you
wanted
the
project
to
be.
L
Thanks
Joey
I
appreciate
that
and
I
believe
we
do
have
the
drawings
in
there
and
it
would
be
no
taller
than
the
current
garage
structure
are
they
up
to
very
so
we
have
the
elevations
of
the
new
structure.
It
would
be
no
taller
than
the
current
structure
of
the
garage
yeah
drawing
l8
I
know,
there's
a
quite
a
few
in
there.
So
so.
C
L
C
C
V
A
You
know
might
raise
a
question
to
the
group
about
would
be.
This
is
just
generally
the
use
of
stonework
versus
brick.
It
feels
like
we're
seeing
more
and
more
applications
to
use
stone,
as
opposed
to
brick
and
in
these
historic
preservation,
areas
and
I.
Guess
just
a
question
for
the
Commission
is
that
is
that
direction
that
we
want
to
go.
Is
that
direction
we're
comfortable
going?
What
are
your
thoughts,
in
particular
on
on
that
item,.
E
You're
not
gonna
feel
if
it's
used,
like
paving
kind
of
you,
know,
I
love,
you
know
stone,
paving,
sometimes
I
agree
someone's
without
like
retaining
walls
and
different
landscape
walls.
It's
almost
you
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know.
This
is
a
fair
comparison,
but
kind
of
like,
like
the.
If
you
have
a
wood
garage
door
staying
at
versus
painting
it
kind
of
the
book.
A
I
Historic
I
mean,
in
other
words,
swing
tools
and
Oasis's
and
kitchens,
and
you
know
my
concern
with
those
are
that
they're,
not
that
they
don't
that
they
aren't
a
detriment
to
the
street
view.
I
think
that
we
sometimes
are
not
I,
think
that
sometimes
we
don't
pay
enough
attention
to
that,
particularly
our
corner
Lots,
because
what
we're
trying
to
do
you
just
keep
the
historic
nature
of
the
neighborhood,
so
backyards
that
you
can't
see
aren't
a
problem.
I
For
me,
I
mean
I
think
that
we
should
be
real
vigilant
on
walls
that
are
that
you
can
see
from
the
street
that
are
part
of
the
neighborhood
character.
So
that's
when
I
think,
mr.
chairman,
that
we
ought
to
be
real,
careful
about
versus,
don't
burst
us
modern
versus
what
really
matches
the
time
period.
If.
E
You
have
a
brick
house
and
a
brick
garage,
and
then
you
have
kind
of
a
stone
retaining
wall,
especially
it's
like
a
light
stone
and
a
red,
brick
or
something
it
just
really
sticks
compared
to
kind
of,
like
you
see,
sometimes,
and
maybe
it'll,
be
like
a
neighborhood
or
a
block
like
just
outside
of
HP
neighborhood,
and
someone
will
do
like
poor
columns
but
it'll
be
like
a
stained
cedar
or
something
it's
just
really.
Pops
out,
you
know
not
always
in
a
in
a
complimentary
way:
I,
don't.
F
F
Acceptable
I
would
just
say
that
I
mean
I
think
that
it
is
harder
to
justify
this
those
kind
of
materials
and
everything
fitting
into
a
you
know
fitting.
In
with
the
historic
house
overtime
I
mean
today,
it's
I
mean
it's
one
of
those
things
where
I
think.
Sometimes
some
things
are
more
of
this
time
period,
but
maybe
in
ten
years
they
might
not
match
the
historic
house
as
well,
but
I
don't
know.
If,
if
the
guidelines
actually
prohibit,
you
know
changing
materials
in
the
backyard,
so
I
agree.
E
L
C
V
V
C
V
V
V
F
V
F
D
So
this
is
actually
that
item
is
not
on
the
agenda.
That's
been
pulled
out
as
a
separate
item
and
I
think
we
did
actually
come
to
something
that
we
could.
Administrative
Lea
proved
addressing
so
walked
at
the
front
of
the
house
and
the
grade
change
that
they
were
trying
to
address
and
I
can
share
that
with
the
Commission
after
the
meeting.
But
for
the
purpose
of
this
meeting,
those
items
in
the
front
of
the
house
are
not
on
the
agenda
and.
D
D
G
O
E
C
L
L
C
G
C
L
L
L
E
E
So
that's
less
concerning
to
me,
as
far
as
the
material
for
the
for
the
stone
landscape
walls,
you
know
if
it's
kind
of
like
linda
was
mentioning
if
it's
like,
you
know
like
a
corner
law
with
a
with
a
retaining
wall
or
something
around
it.
You
know
that's
that's
different
than
having
in
a
back
yard,
that
is
more
private,
probably
I.
Don't
think
I
have
any
issues
with
that
on
this
one.
I
I
G
G
D
L
You
guys,
you
know
working
with
Ryan
I'm
part
of
the
construction.
You
know
when
you
pour
concrete.
It's
cheaper
quicker
easier.
If
it's
poured
for
everything,
if
you
do
stone,
it's
quicker
and
easier.
If
it's
all
done
so,
theoretically,
it
wouldn't
slow
us
down,
but
it
it
really.
Does
you
know
when
you're
trying
to
organize
a
project
and
coordinated
and
I
mean
I
will
comply
and
I
want
to
be
a
good,
neighbor
and
and
a
you
know,
friendly
partner
in
this,
but
I
think
you
have
the
structure.
L
A
Think
for
for
my
purposes,
you
know
that
the
neighborhood
was
a
little
bit
concerned
with
the
with
the
grand
scale
of
it.
I
know,
I've
heard
some
concerns
from
fellow
commissioners
about
approving
things
that
we
haven't
necessarily
seen.
Plans
for
I
would
be
in
favor
of
approving
some
of
the
items
and
then
doing
a
continuance
potentially
for
the
June
3rd
meeting.
Hopefully
that
wouldn't
slow
the
project
down
too
much.
Allow
you
to
continue
to
keep
it
moving
and
also
to
give
us
and
the.
G
F
Maybe
a
compromise
would
be
that
that
remember
we
could
compromise
on
the
footprint,
so
they
would
know
the
footprint
and
then
they
would
have
to
turn
in
the
design.
I'm
comfortable
with
the
footprint
is
the
same
size
as
the
garage
or
smaller.
So
if
it's
going
to
be
that
you
know,
then
that
would
hopefully
let
them
know
footwork.
E
F
E
F
G
F
C
But
by
then
the
side
plan
will
be
fixed
because
the
foundation
to
be
poured
I,
don't
see.
Yeah
that
point
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
I
I'm
in
favor
of
approving
this,
with
with
the
chain
changes
being
made
and
submitted
to
staff.
Like
we've
done
previously,
the
concept
of
the
same
I,
I,
don't
say:
I,
don't
think
that
compromise
it
would
do
a
whole
lot
personally
or
it
would.
It
would
fix
it
and
I,
don't
say
the
point
of
submitting
drawings
later
then.
So,
yes,
just
me,
I,
don't
know
about
you
guys
well,.
C
A
I
E
Overly
complicate
this
and
I,
don't
know
if
this
has
been
done
in
the
past,
but
you
know
there.
If
there
are
specific
members
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
concerned,
have
you
ever
made
a
condition
on
an
approval,
for
example
this
willing
to
say
you
know
same
design
but
smaller
and
then
allow
the
concerned
parties
to
comment
on
it
and
if
you
know
almost
like
a
appeals
period
or
something
and
if
they
say
oh
yeah,
that's
fine,
it's
smaller
looks
good
to
me.
I,
don't
have
any
any
issues
with
it.
E
I
There's
already
a
process
set
up
for
homeowners:
choose
to
coordinate
their
projects
with
the
neighborhood
review
committee,
which
is
only
a
review
and
recommendation
committee.
They
have
no
power
right
but
that
they
they're
already
set
up
to
do
that
for
homeowners
prior
to
submission,
so
I
mean
we
would
it
would
be
too
complicated,
yep
this.
I
D
We
don't
have
an
ability
to
tie
and
approval
to
any
sort
of
review
or
comment
by
any
entity
other
than
the
Commission
either
it's
approved
with
specific
conditions
that
they'll
coordinate
with
staff
or
its
continued,
and
it
comes
back
to
the
Commission
for
additional
review.
We
can't
can't
tie
it
to
you
know
some
individual
party
or
a
neighborhood
weighing
in
after
it's
been
approved,
no.
I
L
F
Mean
I
I
would
just
comment
that
I
think
some
of
this
is
a
larger
issue
in
that
I
think
the
Commission
there's
always
people
on
the
Commission
that
feels
like
they're
being
pushed
to
satisfy
and
owners
a
desire
to
start
their
project,
and
so
sometimes
that
I
think.
So
it's
not
just
this
project.
It's
just
you
know
being
feeling
like
you
know,
we're
approving
things
that
we
that
we,
you
know
didn't
have
that.
We
would
like
to
comment
off
this
project.
F
He
wants
to
start
so
I
think
in
this
time
with,
because
we've
had
to
delay
projects
so
forth.
I
think
that
we
could
go
forward,
but
I
we
should
in
the
future.
We
always
need
to
remember
that
we
need
to
get
the
best
design
and
and
if
we
have
to
continue
it,
sometimes
at
the
discomfort
of
people
that
you
know
we
have
to
do
that.
I
would
I
would
go
forward
with
this.
One
Alan
maybe
make
the
motion
on
what
you're
thinking
yeah.
C
Good
I
really
think
it's
something.
That's
the
concept
is
the
same
I.
Don't
you
know
it's
pretty
clear.
What
they're
going
to
do
so
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
six
item:
six
D
nine,
with
the
findings
in
the
staff
report
and
the
condition
that
the
size
of
accessory
structures,
slash
Cabana,
be
no
larger
than
the
footprint
of
the
garage
and
that
the
the
height
shown
on
the
drawings
be
no
higher
that
the
roof
pitch
be
the
same
as
the
garage
and
that
drawings
that
show
the
clothes
design
be
submitted
to
staff
for
approval.
J
L
A
A
A
D
G
D
A
D
This
is
an
application
for
the
inflation
of
shutters
on
a
house
that
we
don't
have
any
evidence
that
there
were
shutters.
Historically,
it
is
a
brick
house,
so
one
would
expect
to
see
some
sort
of
attachment,
for
you
know,
markings
on
the
brick
where
shutters
have
been
installed
previously
with
guidelines
that
the
guidelines
do
not
support
installing
shutters
that
were
not
there.
Historically,
so
staff
has
recommended
a
denial
for
this
item
and
I.
Don't
believe.
A
D
Have
communicated
with
them
and
they
received
a
copy
of
the
staff
report.
I'm
not
aware
of
whether
they
were
going
to
try
to
you
know
make
any
further
case
for
the
installation
of
shutters.
We
have
it
at
times
in
the
past
continued
items
rather
than
deny
them.
If
the
first
at
the
first
meeting
the
applicant
was
unable
to
prevent.
J
I
D
E
Mean
quite
frankly,
this
is
in
my
neighborhood
and
I've
walked
past
it
several
times,
I
mean
even
if
there
are
showers
beforehand,
I,
don't
think
the
shutters
they
installed
would
have
been
ones.
We
would
have
approved
necessarily
but
yeah
I,
don't
know.
I
I
believe
it's
a
someone.
Who's
I
think
that
house
is
on
the
market
now
so
I
they're
trying
to
sell
it.
I,
don't
know
that
affects
the
decision-making
in
any
way,
but
yeah
I
would
agree
with
staff
comments
on
this.
One
for
sure
I
would.
D
E
J
C
D
A
J
J
D
Sorry,
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
of
Alexander
weeks
for
certificate
of
appropriateness,
2,
1,
replace
fence
and
gates
elective.
This
is
a
proposal
to
install
a
fence
at
a
corner
property
that
is
had
a
couple.
There
were
a
couple
of
reasons
that
we
couldn't
administrative
Lea
proved
it
one
is
that
I
believe
it
is
too
close
to
the
sidewalk.
We
have
guidelines
requiring
a
specific
set
back
from
the
I'm.
Sorry,
the
proposed
location
in
the
side
yard
is
consistent
with
the
criteria
for
new
fences.
D
The
proposed
location
abutting.
This
sidewalk
is
not
consistent,
so
it
is
not
set
back
off
the
sidewalk.
The
way
the
guidelines
require
there
is
an
existing
fence
that
is
in
that
same
location,
but
it's
not
a
historic
defense
and
the
other
thing
we
wanted
to
make
sure
the
Commission
had
the
opportunity
to
review
is
the
design
of
the
fence,
which
is
a
more
modern,
horizontal
fence
design
with
multiple
two
different
colors
of
stain
and
we've.
A
W
The
primary
purpose
here
is
just
to
replace
an
old
fence
that
started
to
fall
down
and
has
rotting
posts.
The
design
we
chose
was.
Would
you
just
pick
them?
We
thought
look
nice
if
you
guys
have
a
different
opinion,
we're
happy
to
do
whatever
you
want.
That's
not
important
to
us!
Well,
you're,
mostly
interested
in
and
just
replacing
it.
So
it
doesn't
fall
down
on
the
sidewalk
someday
the.
W
As
far
as
the
setback
goes,
it
is
aligned
with
the
property
with
the
wall,
the
permanent
stucco
wall
that
exists
on
the
property
to
the
north
of
us,
so
it
aligns
north
on
ya
only
there,
and
so
it
you
know,
I
I
personally,
think
it
would
look
odd
if
it
was
set
back
here.
You
know:
that's
the
yeah
there
you
go
that
little
put
that
white
post
right.
There
is
the
stucco
brick
stucco
wall
from
the
property
to
the
north
of
us,
so
I
think
a
setback.
This
is
my
personal
opinion.
G
W
That
stuff,
the
other
thing
that
you
know,
analysis
matters
to
the
commissioner,
but
we've
got
a
established
vegetation,
flowerbeds,
trees,
sprinkler
system,
electric
box
for
the
electric
gate
and
and
all
that
stuff.
That
would
have
to
be
moved
to
feet
as
well,
and
then
it's
hard
to
see
in
this
picture.
But
there
is
a
tree,
it's
probably
eight
or
you
can
actually
sort
of
see
it
in
this
picture.
W
I
W
Other
issue:
there's
a
walk
through
gate
that
we
don't
have
a
good
picture
of
here.
It's
just
actually
right
if
you
could
see
to
the
right
of
this
picture
right
about
six
inches
out
of
the
frame
here,
there's
a
walk
through
gate
and
if
the
fence
moves
back
two
feet,
there's
a
step.
You
can't
see
in
this
picture
ever
there's
a
concrete
inside
walk
inside
the
yard,
there's
a
step,
and
that
would
require
the
walk
through
gate
to
open
outward
and
block
the
sidewalk
line
is
open.
So
we
can.
W
I
W
I
A
The
with
the
stucco
wall-
it's
that's
to
me.
This
makes
sense.
It
would
I
like
to
have
a
pushback,
probably
but
based
off
the
other
circumstances
that
are
on
the
property,
with
the
electrical
box
and
the
flowerbeds
and
the
trees
and
the
vegetation
and
the
other
I'm
comfortable
with
with
where
it's
placed
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
design.
So.
O
A
I
I
think
the
design
of
defense
can
have
a
big
impact
on
that,
because
I
don't
walk
down
that
Street
a
lot,
and
you
know
what
what
is
happening
is
that
the
entire
sort
of
the
entire
field,
the
neighborhood,
is
changing
with
big
fences
that
are
right
up
against
sidewalks.
So
there's
not
that
same
sort
of
historic
feel
about
if
you're,
if
you're
on
your
feet,
doesn't
matter
if
you're
in
a
car,
but
it's
you're
on
your
feet
and-
and
you
know,
I-
think
that
if
mr.
I
weeks
is
that
amenable
to
working
with
the
staff
on
a
design,
that's
historically
accurate,
I,
think
that
will
also
make
a
difference
in
how
and
kind
of
the
visibility
and
the
and
the
in
the
field
with
it
being
that
close
to
the
sidewalk.
I.
Just
think,
there's
probably
ways
that
you
can
minimize
feeling
like
you're
walking
past
a.
N
I
may
this
is
Angela
I,
don't
believe
that
there
is
an
historically
accurate
description
of
a
fence
for
this
property
at
any
location
that
staff
has
access
to.
The
existing
fence
was
proposed
in
1997
prior
to
the
guidelines
being
written
as
they
currently
exist.
A
new
fence
that
exactly
matches
that
particular
fence
would.
B
N
Been
a
sense
that
staff
would
have
administratively
approved
the
only
recent
defense
is
currently
before
you
is
because
of
its
location,
two
feet
closer
to
the
sidewalk
than
one
would
find
recommended
in
the
criteria
and
because
of
the
very
modern
design
proposal
that
is
before
you.
This
is
a
new
trend.
Much
like
our
existing
stockade
fences
with
cap
and
trim
were
a
new
trend
30
years
ago.
They
are
well
established
in
the
neighborhood
at
this
point,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
they
are
I'm
historically
accurate
description
of
the
historic
character
of
the
district.
J
N
I
I
E
J
C
N
G
I
F
Gel
medium
I
mean
we
have
approved
some
fences
that
I
some
horizontal
fences,
that
I
know
that
I
did
not
like
I.
Do
not
like
I.
Don't
think
in
the
reason
being
at
that
particular
meeting,
which
has
been
about
two
years
ago,
was
that
a
fence
can
be
replaced,
but
in
the
meantime
it
does
not
fit.
The
neighborhood
and
I
mean
I,
understand,
I,
know,
homeowner
is
willing
to
do
something.
Different
I
would
not
in
favor
of
the
proposed
fence.
I,
don't
think
the
horizontal
fence
is
appropriate.
We
don't
really
have
us,
I
mean
historic.
F
Fences
would
be
either.
You
know
they
match
the
house
originally
or
they're
wire
fences
or
something,
but
you
would
fences
are
just
you
know,
I
mean
they're
pretty
you
know
they.
Everybody
has
them
and
they're
just
kind
of
a
neutral
fence.
I
would
be
in
favor
of
you
know,
replacing
it.
It
could
be
somewhat
different
if
he
has
a
new
design
I
similar
to
what's
there
a
you
know
and
learn
to
what's
there
I
wouldn't
have
him
move
it
it.
It's
been
there
too
long
to
motion.
C
F
D
J
A
D
Is
located
in
Heritage,
Hills,
Ward,
six
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
fat,
Jennings,
gingka
roofing
for
Karen
Napier,
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
replace
asbestos
roof
at
house
and
garage
with
Composition
shingle
approximating
existing
roof
appearance
elective,
and
we
have
a
house
that
has
asbestos
shingles
on
the
roof.
We
are
not
entirely
certain
of
the
age
of
the
asbestos,
but
obviously
that's
an
older
historic
feature.
We
also
know
that
it
has
wood
shingle
underneath
the
asbestos
which
is
presumed
to
be
the
original
roofing
material.
D
The
applicant
would
like
to
replace
the
roof
with
a
product
that
looks
more
similar
to
the
asbestos
than
to
a
wood
shingle
and
has
proposed
a
product
that
has
a
similar
pattern,
but
is
smaller
than
the
asbestos
shingles.
So
the
question
before
you
all
is
both
whether
the
asbestos
is
the
appropriate
product
to
be
replacing
as
the
historic
roof
material
and
then
whether
the
proposed
shingle
is
comparable
enough
in
design
to
serve
as
a
replacement
and
just
a
kind
of
refresher.
D
When
someone
has
a
non
historic
roof
wishing
roof
material
like
a
composition,
shingle,
our
guidelines
are
more
flexible
on
the
roof
material
that
goes
back.
When
you
have
a
historic
roof
material
still
in
place,
then
the
guidelines
say
that
those
materials
should
be
replaced
in
kind
or
with
something
that
approximates
the
historic
material.
G
Q
A
There
so
it's
sort
of
a
to
question:
is
it
sort
of
a
two
question
issue?
Do
we
do
we?
Do
we
think
that
it
needs
to
be
put
back
to
wood
or
do
we
think
that
the
asbestos
is?
Are
the
asbestos
shingles
constitute
an
historical
pattern
and
if
they
do
and
that's
what
we
want
to
go
with,
can
we
use
this
newer.
G
J
G
F
Q
Q
The
house
was
put
on
the
National
Register
in
1979,
with
these
shingles
on
it,
and
the
problem
is
the
asbestos
shingles
are
no
longer
made,
they
were
actually
started
were
fabricated
manufactured
in
1920.
They
stopped
production
in
1970,
dude,
asbestos,
lawsuits
and
people
dying
with
asbestos
in
their
lungs.
Q
Q
Both
layers
have
to
be
taken
off.
The
house
has
to
be
read,
decked
with
a
7/16,
OSB
decking
board,
and
then
the
any
material
can
be
put
back
on
this
geniu
used
to
make
a
shingle
called
Sienna,
which
is
a
pattern
very
similar
to
this,
but
they
quit
making
those
back
in
June
of
nineteen
twenty
nineteen,
so
those
shingles
are
not
even
available.
We
just
installed
those
shingles
that
we
were
able
to
locate
back
back
east
on
the
wall,
court
building
over
off
of
Broadway
extension,
and
that
was
the
last
of
those
shingles.
Q
In
fact,
we
barely
had
enough
to
cover
that
roof,
but
originally
mrs.
Napier
wanted
that
shingle
on
her
house.
Well,
they
no
longer
make
that
so.
I
did
some
research
and
the
product
that
you
have
in
your
package
is
called
cascade.
It
is
a
diamond
shaped
pattern,
but
it
is
smaller,
but
it
fits
the
design
meaning
in
my
opinion,
it
matches.
What's
there
now,
which
I'd
be
I,
believe
that
these
are
more
historically
correct
and
actual
wood
shingles
are
and
it
it's
it's
going
to
be.
Q
I've,
looked
at
metal
shingles
that
I
can
get
back
back
up
in
Utah,
but
there
are
five
times
the
cost
to
put
on
this
product
on
this
project.
So
the
composition
material
is
much
like
the
composition
material
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
fiberglass
has
a
lifetime
warranty
on
it
now,
but
the
design
and
the
shape
are
very
similar
to
what's
on
the
house.
So
that's
why
I
proposed
that
to
her
the
wood
shingle,
the
GAF.
Q
I
Q
You
know
longer
is
it
made
yeah
gef
made
it's
called
Sienna,
it's
the
shingle
that
we
put
on
the
walk
or
building,
and
it
the
walk
court
building
had
this
product
on
it.
Gummerson
and
associates
was
remodeling
that
building
and
I
checked
with
GAF
to
see
if
we
could
get
that
product
anymore
and
they
check
their
database
their
suppliers
any
leftover
material.
Not
only
is
it
not
available,
they
quit
making
it
back
in
June
of
2019,
so
that
products
not
available
anymore
well,.
I
I'm
not
saying
that
exact
product
I'm
saying
a
product
with
a
larger
diamond
design.
You
know
there
are
they're,
not
the
neighborhood
says
that
that
is
available.
Now
your
roofing
persons
I'm
not
disputing
either.
That's
why
I
was
just
want
to
be
clear
that
she
cannot
get
a
roofing
with
a
larger
diamond
discerning
because
you're
talking
one
supplier
and
I,
don't
I'm,
not
a
roofing
expert.
Q
Is
correct,
I've
checked
with
multiple
suppliers,
ABC
Willard's
thanks
back
crossroads:
ABC
is
a
nationwide
manufa
supplier
and
they
have
access
to
all
types
of
materials
and
all
of
them
reference
back
to
the
GAF
Sienna,
that's
no
longer
made,
and
they
all
referenced
me
to
the
cascade,
which
is
the
diamond
shaped
pattern.
So
that
is
the
only
one
available
right
now
that
Matt
that
even
comes
close
to
this
pattern.
Okay,.
A
A
Make
this
particular
product
anymore,
as
told
by
you,
mr.
Jennings
I,
will
be
comfortable
with
the
smaller
diamond
pattern,
just
to
kind
of
replicate
as
much
as
we
possibly
could.
The
old
I
would
consider
both
rows
historic
so
to
replicate.
You
know
what
you
can
on
this
door
historic
side
of
things,
Jennifer
Katie.
Do
we
need
to
do
anything
now
that
Anna's
back
is
officially
bring
her
back
into
the
fray.
B
F
Would
agree
I
found
like
that's
why
I
asked
it
sounds
like
mr.
Jennings
and
and
Jenko
has
a
lot
of
experience
and
if
they've
worked
on
the
other
historic
building
and
pursued
this
product,
I
mean
there
is
a
limited
I
mean
there's
a
limited,
different
kind
kinds
of
roofing
products
in
the
United
States.
That
I
mean
there's
they're,
not
they're,
not
hiding
out
there
I,
don't
think
certain
unusual
roofing
material
that
you
know
some
people
can
find
and
some
people
can.
It
sounds
like
mr.
Jennings
had
to
do.
F
Research
initially
with
the
wall
court
building
which
he
is
you
know,
would
have
happily
tried
to
get
that
product.
If
it
was
available,
so
I
mean
I.
I'm
gonna
depend
a
little
bit
on
his
experience
too
and
say
if
this
is
the
product
that
most
matches
the
roof,
that
I
would
be
inclined
to
agree
that
this
would
be
the
product
that
I
would
be
in
favor
of
well.
D
D
I,
what
I
did
confirm
was
yes
as
well
that
they
do
not
make
that
Sienna
product
any
longer
so
willing
to
all
Lobby
them
to
start
making
that
again,
because
it
was
such
a
good
match
for
the
bestest
shingles
I
have
not
further
researched
the
other
options
that
that
he
spoke
about,
but
it
does
sound
like
he's
done,
some
good
research
into
what's
available.
Okay,.
J
Q
C
D
Sorry
this
is
Katie.
Let
me
just
say
that,
because
we've
talked
about
this
with
applicant,
that
our
guidelines
do
not
require
a
house
in
a
garage
to
match
each
other
unless
they
matched
historically
the
historic.
A
new
roof
should
match
the
historic
roof.
So
if
the
garage
had
a
different
route
than
we
would,
the
guidelines
would
support
them
continuing
not
to
match
because
they
do
match
replacing
each
of
them
with
a
product
that
matches
each.
B
D
Their
respective
historic
roof
is
appropriate,
so
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
to
a
Commission's
decision
that
make
it
sound
like
there's
a
requirement
that
there
actually
isn't.
But
there
is
a
requirement
that,
when
a
historic
roofing
materials
like
asbestos
is
replaced,
it
be
replaced
with
something
that
approximates
the
historic
material,
and
that
applies
to
the
house
and
the
accessory
building.
So.
C
D
Staff
has
recommended
a
continuance
for
the
garage
based
on
guidelines
that
do
not
appear
to
be
met,
addressing
the
size
and
general
design
of
the
structure
and
to
speak
to
the
variance
and
the
duplex
use.
The
applicant
has
provided
numerous
photos
of
the
interior
of
the
structure,
showing
that
it
has
a
mirror
image
floor
plan
on
the
inside.
D
However,
we
have
Sanborn
maps
and
other
records
that
don't
ever
indicate
it
was
duplex.
So
some
questions
there
for
the
Commission
to
evaluate
on
whether
that
was
whether
that
is
a
historic
condition
that
should
be
supported
as
part
of
the
historic
character
of
that
forty
or
whether
that
is
not
the
historic
or
original
intent
for
the
structure.
A
X
I
know:
there's
been
some
concerns
with
the
size
of
it,
and
so
we
absolutely
agree
if,
if
we
could
actually
move
that
I
think
July,
1st
I
believe
is
what
you
said
was
it's
it's
like
two
two
meetings
prior
and
that
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
have
the
architect
and
I
believe
he's
on
the
line
as
well
to
come
up
with.
You
know,
plans
that
you
know
you
know
will
you
know
will
basically
make.
X
Happy
I
mean
if
what
that's
that's
our
our
ultimate
goal
there.
So
as
far
as
as
the
duplex
part
of
it
prior
to
purchasing
the
house,
I
actually
went
to
the
zoning
office
and
asked
them
hey.
Is
this
a
duplex
I
like
kind
of
stuff,
and
they
they
even
gave
me
two
address?
They
said
absolutely,
it's
got
two
addresses
509
511.
If
you
see
the
property
and
you
go
inside,
you
can
absolutely
see
that
each
side
is
an
absolute
absolute
same.
X
Historic
use,
yes,
and
so
anyway,
that's
that's,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
there
I
mean
our
our
goal
is
to
obviously
you
know
to
live
in
one
side
of
it,
and
you
know
you
know
to
rent
the
other
side
out
and
I
will
tell
you
that
the
you
know
we
we
plan
on
staying
there,
the
rest
of
our
lives.
I
mean
you
know,
that's
that's
our!
That's
our
house
forever.
You
know,
we
love
the
area
over
there
and
you
know
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
you
know.
C
C
X
And
the
reason
that
we're
asking
for
that
I,
don't
we've
got
family
I
mean
I've,
got
parents
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
Yes,
we
would
actually
like
to
rent
the
other
side
other
side
of
the
duplex
out,
but
we
wouldn't
actually
like
to
build
a
apartment
over
the
garage
specifically
for
it.
You
know
you
know
it's
not
so
much.
You
know
to
rent
it
out
as
it
is
family
coming
to
stay,
kids
I
know,
I've
got
five
kids,
so
I
mean
we've
got.
You
know
five
teenagers
coming
to
stay
with
us.
X
I
F
Says
that
but
I
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
inside,
it
was
designed
as
a
duplex.
The
other
is
that
the
post
office
has
two
addresses:
I
mean
Sanborn
maps
a
lot
of
times,
we're
done
by
people
walking
down
the
street
I
mean
they
didn't
necessarily
go
in.
This
doesn't
look
like
a
duplex,
but
it
has
two
addresses
I,
don't
see
how
that
can
I
mean
how
is
that
not
a
duplex?
If
it's
had
two
addresses
in
the
in
the
past,
I.
F
F
Y
When
you
walk
in
the
front
door,
there's
a
vestibule
and
there's
two
entry
ways
right
in
there
and
then
you
go
into
a
living
room
on
each
side,
a
dining
room
on
each
side
and
a
kitchen
on
each
side
and
then
there's
also
a
staircase
up
the
middle
on
each
side.
That
takes
you
up
to
two
identical
hallways,
upstairs
I.
Don't.
D
X
E
X
X
You
know
there's
several
several
areas
over
there
that
there's
a
lot
of
street
parking
and
we
don't
want
to
parkland
Street
either,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
cars
from
our
house
parked
on
the
street
as
well.
So
we
have
a
have
an
architect
that
has,
you
know,
drawn
the
plans
for
the
garage
apartment,
but
we
want
to
make
that
smaller
and
then
we
would
like
for
him
to
also
have
plans
for
parking
back
behind
the
house
so
that
you
know
we
basically
make
sure
that
we
don't
park
it
straight.
I.
X
D
F
F
F
E
I
support
I
mean
I
would
make
her
I,
don't
know.
How
would
make
this
recommendation,
but
I
I,
agree,
I
mean
it.
The
physical
evidence
of
the
property
suggest
that
it
was
a
duplex
and
I
think
to
say
that
it's
a
single-family
residence.
You
know
my
case
kind
of
starts
playing
with
you
know
we're
almost
trying
to
you
know
you
manipulate
what
was
historically
there.
You
know
right.
I
Historically,
there,
though,
I
mean
just
what
the
neighborhood
is
saying
is
for
the
past
30
or
40
years.
It's
been
used
by
the
single
family
and
their
multiple.
There
are
many
instances
in
the
story
neighborhoods
where
people
have
gone
in
and
repurposed
all
kinds
of
houses
that
have
been
apartments,
they've
gone
to
one
single
family
and
single
family
about
it.
They,
you
know
they've,
it's
moved
around,
so
it
to
me
it's
like
not
not
how
many
kitchens
and
hands,
but
how
has
it
been
used?
I
mean
how
does
this
house
been
I.
F
Mean
that's
just
recent
history,
though
I
mean,
and
what
difference
does
it
make
really?
In
the
end,
I
mean
there's
duplexes
in
the
neighborhood
I
mean
it's
a
prejudice
towards
a
single
family,
I
I.
Don't
really
see
that
you
can
stop
people
from
using
something
that
was
and
we're
not
even
going
to
do
it.
It's
not
our
say-so.
It
may
have
to
get
goes
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
and
they
make
the
decisions
I.
I
I
E
I'm
kind
of
blanketed
neighborhoods,
as
are
one
or
two,
regardless
of
what
was
there
historically
or
not.
So
this
house
was
a
duplex
at
one
point,
but
then
at
some
point
we
said
you
know
when
we
updated
our
zoning
code
whenever
that
was
in
the
seventies
or
eighties,
and
we
said
everything's
r1,
but.
E
I
C
And
it
doesn't
has
an
effect
of
the
neighborhood
I
would
say
personally
that
we,
we
say
something
long
line
of
comment
on
things
like
the
address,
but
also
that
it
appears
that
the
the
structure
historically
was
a
duplex
and
that
most
of
the
the
architectural
features
of
the
hour
are
preserved
and
existing,
and
would
support
the
fact
that
it
should
be
considered
a
duplex.
That's
what
I
would
say
something
like
that.
I.
I
C
S
C
D
Just
to
clarify
that
the
nuances
of
why
this,
what
this
is
asking
for
a
variance
from
is
that
there's
a
provision
in
the
code
that,
if
you
had
a
historic
non-conforming
use
and
that
use
has
left
for
two
years
or
more
than
you
have
to
go
back
to
what
the
current
underlying
zoning
is.
So
if
it
had,
if
it
had
been
a
duplex
and
had
remained
in
use
as
a
duplex
up
until
now,
it
would
be
legally
non-conforming
because
it
has
not
been
a
duplex
within
the
past
two
years
or
more.
D
X
Know
the
only
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
we
and
I
understand
that.
There's
some,
you
know
concerns
about
the
people
that
have
lived
in
the
house
and
I
guess
for
the
last
30
to
35
years.
There
have
been
two
different
owners
and
we
actually
met
the
two
owners.
So
you
know
we
understand
and
they
actually
lived
in
it
as
a
single
family.
X
Obviously,
but
you
know
it
had
six
bedrooms,
two
living
rooms,
two
dining
rooms,
two
kitchens,
you
know
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
just
the
I
think
part
of
the
reason
it
took
them
so
long
to
sell
the
house
was
is:
is
that
it's
hard
to
find
somebody
that
actually
actually
actually
needs
all
that?
And
so
that's
the
reason
that
we
actually
purchased
it
to
take
it
back
to
its
previous
and
original
use.
A
K
Randy
ice
Heritage,
Hills
I'm,
one
nine
North,
19th
Street,
a
hairy
chills
as
opposed
to
this.
There
are
literally
dozens
and
dozens
of
houses
like
this
in
the
neighborhood
they
were
converted
into
rooming
houses
in
the
60s.
We
went
through
the
HP
zoning
to
downzone
them
back
to
r1.
We
believe
this
house
started
out
as
a
single-family
house.
We
don't
believe
that
three
different
Sanborn
maps
surveys
would
lie
there
three
times
they
did
that
it
was
a
single-family
house.
K
Up
until
the
nineteenth
day,
somebody
came
in
added
an
extra
kitchen,
probably
made
into
a
rooming
house.
That's
what
happened
then
later
on
I
went
back
to
single-family.
We
believe
this
is
single-family.
We
believe
if
you
approve
this
and
if
the
Board
of
Adjustment
approves
this,
this
jeopardizes
all
the
other
big
houses
that
were
chopped
up
into
rooming
houses,
many
of
which
have
multiple
addresses
just
like
this
one,
because
back
in
the
60s,
they
would
give
you
extra
addresses,
and
you
get
all
these
odd
addresses
on
these
houses.
K
You
know
the
nut
last
number
or
the
lower
rear
upper
attic
or
all
kinds
of
odd
things
that
happened
in
here,
and
we
fighting
for
years
to
stop
it
from
happening
again
and
not
to
reverse
this
trend
for
Heritage
Hills.
The
strongly
opposed
to
this
we've
written
a
letter
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
We
would
like
the
HD
Commission,
basically
ratified.
What
we
believe
is
the
accurate
statement
by
the
Sanborn
maps.
This
was
built
a
single
family
home.
Everybody
knows
it's
been
single-family
over
the
last
30
years.
K
F
My
response
to
that
Randy
would
be
that
that
the
interior
trim
the
kitchens,
the
kitchen
sinks,
that
designed
the
doors
the
hardware,
the
the
trim
around
the
doors
I
mean
all
says
to
me
that
it's
it's
all
from
the
date
of
construction
and
I
I.
Just
don't
I,
don't
think
that
there
was
a
big
change
in
this
property.
I
think
it
was
a
it's
the
interior.
C
C
I'm
disagreeing
that
it
was
changed
at
some
point
from
a
large
single-family
house
to
duplex
architectural
II.
The
interior
scene
have
been
done
originally
as
a
duplex,
and
it
has
two
separate
numbers
that
are
standard,
not
some
weird
number
so
I.
My
point
is
that
I
think
it
was
always
done.
It
wasn't
like
some
of
the
ones
that
were
converted
back
in
the
seventies
or
whatever,
and.
E
E
Don't
know
I
I,
agree,
I.
Think
immediate,
is
it's
a
well-designed
duplex,
it's
quite
frankly,
I
mean
I.
Can
I
could
see
a
say
more
map
technician
going
by
looking
at
it,
seeing
the
one
door
saying:
okay,
single-family
house
and
nothing
on
you
know.
I
the
to
address
is
the
the
interior
configuration
I
agree
with
Joe.
If
you
look
at
the
trim,
the
details
that
looks
like
it's
been
there
a
long
time
so
yeah
I
think
I
support
a
recommendation.
Y
F
Power
to
you,
it
really
I
mean
it
does
appear.
I
mean
I've
seen
those
things
will
not
very
much
anymore
because
you've
basically
you're
looking
at
a
sink.
That's
over.
You
know
that's
almost
a
hundred
years
old.
In
my
opinion,
you
know
I
mean
there's
better
anyway,
that
that's
just
my
my
thought
on
it.
I
we're
not.
The
final
word.
I
just
think
as
far
as
his
history,
the
history
of
the
house,
that
they
deserve
to
go
before
the
board
and
have
the
board
discuss
if
it
should
be
what
the
use
should
be.
M
Z
Yeah
I've
lived
that
story
of
the
house
for
thirty
years
and
we
have
Friesland
neighborhood
that
had
lived
here
back
in
the
40s
and
they
told
me
in
the
forties
that
house
was
lived
in
the
single-family
dwelling,
so
he
goes
back
not
just
35
years.
It
goes
back
a
little
70
years.
It's
been
single-family
I
have
no
argument
that
it
was
designed
originally
and
built
desires
layout
that
way
over
the
last
70
years,
there's
been
in
single-family.
Z
Z
A
A
F
F
D
C
F
It
appears
to
be
right
right,
I
mean
the
information
provided
to
us
would
be
one
that
you
know.
Photographs
on
from
the
inside
to
me
indicate
that
it
was
originally
built
as
a
duplex
and
to
that
the
owner
has
received
information
from
the
city
of
Oklahoma,
City
I.
Think
that's
what
he's
there
were
two
addresses
associated
with
the
property.
What.
C
I
wanted
to
say
is
this
to
me
is
kind
of
like
when
the
city
asks
for
our
opinion
about
a
demolition.
We
don't
make
the
decision
on
it
right,
no,
we're
supplying
facts,
information
in
our
opinion,
so
to
me
we're
saying
that
it
appears
that
it
appeared
that
it
was
designed
to
be
retains
all
the
features
as
a
duplex
blah
blah
blah,
but
I
I,
don't
think
we're
recommending
men
be
designated
DUPLO.
F
C
A
J
A
A
D
Just
to
receive
a
report
from
Todd
Harlan
Castle
enterprises
incorporated
including
photographic,
update
on
brick
condition.
This
is
a
project
where
they
sandblasted
and
painted
the
brick
and
the
Commission
asked
the
applicant
to
do
some
repair
work
to
that
and
to
report
back
on
how
that
turned
out
with
removal
of
the
paint.
So
there's
no
action
required
here.
It
was
just
providing
you
all
with
that.
Follow
up
documentation.
D
We
have
all
kind
of
keep
going
through
the
end
here.
We
have
lots
of
administrative
approvals
listed
and
staff
can
follow
up
and
answer
any
questions
about
those
after
the
meeting
and
a
couple
of
withdrawals
that
typically
happens
when
someone
just
determines
not
to
move
forward
with
the
project
or
application
has
never
completed
nothing
else
to
report
under
administrative
closures,
City
Council
or
Board
of
Adjustment
on
April
9th
Planning
Commission
adopted
preserve
OKC
as
an
amendment
to
plan
OKC.
So
our
next
step
for
that
is
to
go
to
City
Council.
E
A
K
A
J
D
Yes,
we
were,
the
plan
was
to
switch
over
to
prime
goes
to
use
for
our
meetings
and
our
agenda
and
meeting
prep
in
the
next
several
months,
but
they
had
this
tool
available
to
use
for
video
conferencing.
So
we
there
was
has
been
lots
of
hustling
and
training,
and
zoom
meetings
and
conference
calls
to
get
this
worked
out
so
that
we
could
continue
to
have
meetings
and
keep
projects
moving
ahead.