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From YouTube: Public Safety Task Force - September 23, 2020
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I
do
have
a
few
announcements
to
make
regarding
a
teleconferenced
meeting.
First
of
all,
I
ask
that
participants.
Please
keep
their
phones
on
mute
until
they
are
recognized
to
speak
on
your
device
on
mute.
Until
you
are
recognized
to
speak
task
force,
members
will
be
allowed
to
ask
questions
or
comments
at
any
time
during
the
meeting.
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A
thing
should
come
up,
saying:
participants,
click
on
that
on
participants
and
then
you'll
see
a
screen
open
to
your
right
at
the
bottom
of
that
screen,
you'll
see
a
little
dot.
You
see
a
option
called
ray's
hand.
If
you
hit
that,
then
the
hand
goes
up.
What
that
does
is
keeps
everybody
that
wants
to
speak
in
order
so
that
I
can
look
at
who's
in
order
here
on
the
screen
and
then
call
the
next
person
up.
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C
For
anyone
who
is
not
a
task
force
member
that
is
watching
in
on
the
meeting
please
bear
with
us
a
process
is
being
developed
to
include
public
comment.
We
are
almost
there.
Just
hadn't
got
there.
Yet
we
are
very
hopeful
that
that
process
will
be
finalized
before
our
next
meeting,
which
will
be
in
october.
C
C
At
this
point,
I
will
go
ahead
and
call
our
meeting
to
order
from
the
agenda.
The
first
issue
on
our
meeting
is
rfp
selection
process,
and
I
will
call
on
kenton
sudo
to
speak
on
that
issue.
D
Thank
you
mt
members
of
the
task
force.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick
update
on
kind
of
where
we're
at
you
know.
We
had
talked
about
at
our
last
meeting
reviewed.
The
selection
criteria
for
the
consultant
had
reviewed
the
scope
of
work
that
also
occurred
with
the
city
managers,
community,
policing,
work
group.
So
was
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments
and
input
that
we
got
on
that.
D
D
We
use
our
system
bidsync.com
and
that's
where,
just
like
any
other
bidding
process,
the
city
has
that's,
who
you
know:
potential
consultants
have
to
go
through.
I
know
that
we've
been
given
different
names
and
things
that
we've
looked
up
and
other
groups
such
as
you
know,
for
example,
the
21
cp
group.
We've
we've
sent
emails
to
the
different
groups
that
we've
received,
letting
them
know
that
that's
out
there.
The
responses
are
due
on
october.
D
The
7th
and
our
hope
is
that,
once
the
responses
come
in,
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
through
the
city's
procurement
process
and
potentially
have
a
contract
ready
to
go
back
to
council
sometime
in
early
november.
So
let
me
talk
just
for
a
minute.
I
want
to
give
you
an
update
on
kind
of
what
that
process
looks
like
so
per
the
city's
procurement
policies.
D
There's
a
city
manager,
designee,
a
finance
department,
designee
and
then
whatever
department
is
involved,
there's
a
designee
and
then
basically,
whoever
else
the
city
manager
names
to
be
on
that
selection
committee.
So
we
were
anticipating
asking
members
of
both
the
mayor's
task
force
and
the
city
managers
working
group.
D
We
anticipate
asking
for
volunteers,
I'm
going
to
do
that
here
in
a
minute
in
a
moment,
but
the
thought
is
we
would
probably
you
know,
meet
our
our
policy
required
members,
but
also
have
a
couple
of
members
from
each
of
the
groups
be
on
the
selection
committee,
and
I
just
want
to
talk
really
briefly
about
what
that
entails.
If
you're
on
a
selection
committee
for
the
city,
typically,
that
just
means
that
you're
involved
and
you
have
to
go
through
and
read
all
of
the
proposals
that
we
receive.
D
You
know
whether
that's
one
or
a
hundred
go
through
discuss
the
proposals
with
other
committee
members.
Ask
questions.
You
know
it
may
involve
checking
references
or
doing
other
research,
but
we
anticipate
the
process
would
look
like
that
and
it
really
depends
on
how
many
proposals
we
receive.
D
If
we
only
received
one
or
two
or
three
proposals,
you
know
we
very
well
may
come
back
with
all
the
proposers
giving
you
know,
sort
of
a
final
presentation
to
our
larger
groups.
But
if
there's
you
know,
let's
say,
there's
five
six
proposals.
We
anticipate
that
the
selection
committee
generally
would
narrow
that
down.
D
You
know,
maybe
there's
someone
who's
not
qualified
or
they
didn't
meet
all
the
the
requirements.
The
proposal
or
something
like
that
and
and
be
able
to
kind
of
narrow
it
down
and
bring
back
the
most
qualified
firms
back
to
the
larger
groups,
kind
of
for
final
presentation
and
all,
but
that's
just
kind
of
an
update
where
we're
at
on
that.
So
again,
the
responses
will
be
back
october,
7th.
D
We
will
once
we
receive
those
and
kind
of
know
how
many
we're
looking
at
you
know.
That'll
drive
the
process
just
a
little
bit,
but
ultimately,
then,
once
the
selection
committee's
looked
at
it
and
our
larger
committees
have
looked
at
it,
we
would
forward
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
their
approval.
D
So
last
thing
I'll
say
on
that
this,
as
that's
kind
of
the
last.
What
I
have
to
to
say
on
the
update,
but
the
last
thing
I'll
I'll
say,
is
just
if
anyone's
interested-
and
I
know
we've
already
had
a
few
people
indicate
they're
they're
interested
if
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
selection
committee
and
reviewing
those
proposals
in
more
detail
and
everyone
will
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
them.
It's
just
you
know
we
having
45
people,
try
to
go
through
and
take
the
time
to
look
at.
It
may
not
be
reasonable.
D
So,
but
if
you're
interested
in
serving
on
that
selection
committee,
please
send
an
email
or
give
a
call
to
sharita
bryce
and
let
her
know
she's
trying
to
compile
the
list
for
us
and
there's
been
a
couple
folks
from
each
of
the
groups
that
have
reached
out
already.
So
just
please
make
sure
you
do
that
as
soon
as
possible,
because,
depending
on
how
many
volunteers
we
have
we'll
have
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
we
select
the
members
for
that.
D
C
Are
there
any
questions
for
mr
sunum.
C
E
Thank
you
so
much
mt.
Is
it
impossible
for
the
host
to
give
me
the
ability
to
do
screen
sharing?
You
can
do
that
one
or
two
ways
you
can
allow
everything.
E
Alrighty,
so
what
we
wanted
to
do
today
is
kind
of
just
approach,
our
role
on
this
task
force.
In
terms
of
that
being
the
public,
there
was
a
presentation
we
thanked
chief
gurley
for
doing
that
presentation
last
week,
where
he
shared
a
lot
of
information
on
what's
going.
A
E
With
the
okc
police
department,
the
way
they
created
the
way
they
think
about
some
of
these
different
processes
and
and
just
kind
of
gave
us
an
in-depth
examination
from
their
perspective.
My
feeling
is,
we
want
to
share
what
we
thought.
While
we
were
looking
into
that
presentation,
we
want
to
be
extremely
thankful
to
chief
gurley
in
examining
this.
E
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
very
well
researched,
and
so
we
utilize
the
sources
that
was
provided
by
them,
another
source
that
was
used
or
cited
by
the
ofp
to
put
together
this
presentation.
This
is
about
sharing
our
perspective,
making
sure
that
you
guys
are
aware
of
the
research
and
then
formulating
formulating
more
questions
so
that
we
can
all
be
on
the
same
page
as
we
move
forward
in
this
process.
E
We
have
a
pretty
simple
agenda.
The
first
is
research
from
the
icp.
You
guys
might
remember
that's
the
international
association
of
chiefs
of
police,
which
is
talks
about
de-escalation
training.
The
second
is
we're
going
to
review
those
numbers
on
de-escalation
incidents,
as
provided
to
us,
the
city
for
a
request
I
sent
out.
You
guys
should
see
that
in
your
email
as
well
when
you
got
the
agenda.
E
Third,
is
we're
going
to
look
at
police
homicide
and
we're
going
to
try
to
get
an
examination
of
how
oklahoma
and
okcpd
compares
nationally
and
then
the
last
part
is
qualified
immunity.
That
was
something
that
came
up
in
the
last
conversation.
So
we
wanted
to
look
at
that
as
well,
the
public's
perception
and
whether
or
not
that
equals
the
public
good.
E
For
the
purposes
of
establishing
this
presentation,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
take
some
direct
quotes
from
the
iacp's
research
to
understand
one.
What
policing
is
to
what
that
de-escalation
training
actually
looks
like
and
what
it
means
and
that's
going
to
help
us
formulate
an
opinion.
So
the
first,
a
couple
of
quotes
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
is
police
are
defined
by
their
ability
to
use
force.
E
It
is
their
ability
to
use
force
and
the
public's
expectation
that
they
do
so,
if
necessary,
to
handle
situations
that
separates
them
being
the
police
from
all
other
occupations.
E
Notwithstanding
its
importance,
we
still
relatively
know
a
little
about
how,
when
and
under
what
circumstances,
police
officers
use
force
and
unfortunately,
one
of
the
most
consistently
documented
findings
regarding
police
use
of
force
is
our
lack
of
knowledge
about
it
and
the
considerable
problems
associated
with
data
collection.
I
will
say
that
this
is
about
a
69
page
document.
E
I
will
more
I'm
more
than
willing
to
make
sure
I
get
that
over
to
sharita
so
that
you
guys
can
read
through
this
whole
document
yourself
again.
We
just
wanted
to
take
a
couple
of
quotes
from
it,
so
that
you
guys
can
understand
where
our
foundation
was
for
setting
up
this
presentation.
E
The
escalation
has
become
a
catch-all
of
sorts
symbolizing,
a
different,
more
progressive
policing,
approach
for
handling
potential
use
of
force,
encounters
most
de-escalation
training
emphasizes
strategy
for
the
prevention
and
management
of
violence
and
aggression,
and
the
large
estimated
percentage
of
fatal
encounters
with
police,
where
the
suspect
does
not
have
a
firearm,
which
is
around
44
according
to
zimmering,
boldly
predicts
that
such
encounters
I.e,
the
police
killings
could
be
cut
in
half
without
compromising
the
safety
of
the
officer.
E
In
the
absence
of
evidence
to
the
contrary,
landers
stated
in
2017
he
argues
by
sending
police
officers.
Two
de-escalation
training
courses,
chiefs
and
sheriffs
have
risked
these
men
and
women
becoming
hesitant
about
using
force
and
further.
While
the
escalation
concepts
are
practical
and
effective.
In
some
situations
they
are
useless
and
even
dangerous.
In
others.
E
The
only
agreement
among
the
escalation
training
supports
that
critics
appear
to
be
to
supporters,
and
critics
appears
to
be
that
more
information
is
needed
to
determine
its
effectiveness
and
again
that's
from
england
circus
from
2017.
E
When
we
look
at
oklahoma's
numbers,
this
is
kind
of
the
question
that
I
had
right.
How
many
total
incidents
occurred,
so
1226
different
incidents
were
reviewed
that
doesn't
necessarily
equate
to
how
many
occurred
that
were,
though,
that
was
the
ones
that
rose
to
the
level
of
needing
to
review.
We
don't
know
how
many
could
have
been
reviewed.
I
wouldn't
expect
the
police
to
also
have
an
answer
for
that,
because
those
situations
occur,
the
way
that
they
occur
and
of
those
1226.
E
We
want
to
look
at
these
numbers
and
kind
of
understand
this
breakdown
or
or
maybe
have
questions
about
this
breakdown.
There
were
76
officers
with
inappropriate
escalations
ruling.
So
that's
a
very,
very
small
number
of
folks
who
had
incidents
reviewed
that
actually
said
that
their
behavior
was
inappropriate,
so
we
kind
of
want
to
know
from
that.
What
are
the
determining
factors
that
we're
looking
at?
How
are
we
reviewing
this?
Who
exactly
is
reviewing
this?
E
What
guidelines
or
what
threshold
do?
Does
an
officer
involve
situation
with
the
escalation
have
to
meet
in
order
for
it
to
be
something
that
needs
to
be
reviewable
and
or
punishable
62
of
those
75
incidents
with
an
inappropriate
relationship,
de-escalation
training
or
the
escalation
ruling
actually
received
infractions,
and
so
again
we're
kind
of
breaking
that
number
down.
We
went
from
1275
now
we're
at
62..
E
We
have
a
breakdown
of
those
warnings,
65
or
remedial
trainings
and
training
reviews,
13,
we're
counseling
issues,
13
class
ones,
two
class
twos
one
class
three,
which
also
includes
a
three-day
suspension
without
pay
and
a
probation
for
a
year,
and
then
we
see
at
the
very
bottom
that
no
officer
has
been
terminated
due
to
inappropriate
de-escalation
training,
our
de-escalation
situations
that,
I
think,
tells
us
one
or
two
things
right.
It
poses
a
question:
either
we
have
a
system
in
place
that
is
doing
a
really
great
job
and
retraining
these
officers
or
two.
E
We
don't
have
a
good
enough
system
that
are
kind
of
catching
those
bad
apples
to
make
sure
that
they
are
receiving
the
training
or
the
critiques
or
the
punishment
that
they
deserve
for
being
in
these
situations.
And
so
that
creates
a
lot
of
questions.
And
that's
something
that
I
think
that
we
should
honestly
examine
a
little
bit
further.
Because
one
of
the
big
questions
that
we've
had
in
terms
of
black
lives
matter.
E
Is
if
de-escalation
training
is
as
good
as
they
say
it
is
then,
what
is
the
issue
that
allows
us
to
be
second
in
the
nation
that
actually
brings
us
to
our
second
point,
so
we
have
unfortunately
had
48
people
killed
by
police
since
2013..
E
I
know
that
this
number
has
actually
been
disputed
before
by
our
chief
of
police,
which
actually
led
the
frontier
to
do
research
showing
exactly
how
many
of
those-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
pull
up
for
us.
This
should
pull
up
for
us
there.
We
go.
E
E
There
is
one
story
in
2017
where
it
was
an
ohp
officer
and
an
okay,
cpd
police
officer
who
shot
someone
when
they
were
killed,
and
so
there's
some
kind
of
speculation
on
if
we
want
to
do
48
or
47
and
a
half
in
terms
of
identifying
who
is
to
blame
necessarily
or
who
would
receive
credit
in
terms
of
that
shooting
right,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
putting
any
depths
on
the
hands
of
the
okc
police
department.
E
That's
not
supposed
to,
but
according
to
that
story,
both
an
okc
officer
and
an
ohp
officer
fired
shots.
That
number
seems
really
high,
and
so
we
were
trying
to
do
research
further,
especially
when
we
talk
about
nationally.
E
170
shooting
since
2015
right,
and
so
that's
all
over
the
state
of
oklahoma,
48
of
those
being
in
oklahoma
city,
which
is
just
kind
of
interesting
to
think
about.
When
you
think
about
cities
like
new
orleans,
you
see
that
our
numbers
are
higher
than
there
when
you
think
about
cities
like
chicago,
you
can
even
see
that
our
numbers
are
still
higher
and
when
it's
based
on
population
size,
that
really
kind
of
creates
more
questions
than
it
does
answers
in
terms
of
even
washington
and
everything
that
they
have
going
on.
F
E
So
we
understand
that
there's
a
problem,
but
we
have
to
figure
out
kind
of
what
the
solution
is
and
how
we
get
to
a
point
and
where
we're
able
to
to
see
just
kind
of
what
the
issues
are
that
exist
within
oklahoma
city's
police
department.
Is
it
the
police
department?
Is
it
the
de-escalation
training?
Is
it
something
that's
going
on
with
our
community?
E
I
know.
Chief
gurley
suggested
that,
unfortunately,
the
amount
of
meth
that
is
used
in
our
state
could
be
one
of
the
contributing
factors,
not
understanding
completely
what
the
contributing
factors
are,
but
understanding
that
there
are
situations
in
which
officers
have
to
use
lethal
force,
but
are
we
doing
it
correctly?
Can
we
be
doing
it
better?
Are
there
ways
for
us
to
do
it
better?
E
We
talked
about
qualified
immunity
and
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
we
included
this
in
our
presentation,
because
one,
I
think
that
if
we
have
a
situation
in
which
officers
are
personally
held
liable
for
their
actions,
then
we
have
one
where
we
hope
responsibility
will
be
something
that
is
focused
on
more
right.
E
Now
we
can't
ensure
that,
but
what
we
can
say
pretty
confidently
is,
according
to
the
pew
research
center,
qualified
immunity
or
the
ability
to
sue
a
police
officer
in
order
to
hold
them
accountable
for
excessive
use
of
force
is
something
that
is
widely
supported
across
the
board.
Now
I
know
that
we've
had
conversations
about
whether
or
not
that
would
dissuade
people
from
becoming
police
officers,
and
you
kind
of
just
have
to
ask
yourself.
E
The
question
is:
if
an
officer
or
if
a
person
seeking
to
be
an
officer
is
dissuaded
by
the
fact
that
they
might
have
to
take
responsibility
for
their
actions,
are
they
approaching
that
job?
The
way
that
they
should
be-
and
that's
kind
of,
I
think,
the
general
consensus
of
the
public
when
you
look
at
two-thirds
of
americans
say
that
civilians
needs
power
to
sue
police
officer.
E
A
E
That's
kind
of
where
you
see
a
lot
of
that
disparity
in
terms
of
race.
Unfortunately,
58
of
americans
say
the
police
around
the
country
do
an
excellent
job
of
protecting
people
from
time,
which
is
little
change
from
four
years
ago,
when
we
saw
it
at
62.
Just
a
small
decrease.
E
However,
there's
been
double
digit
decline
in
the
shares
of
people
who
say
police
forces
do
an
excellent
job
or
a
good
job
of
using
the
right
amount
of
force
in
situations.
E
This
can
be
for
one
or
two
reasons,
one
just
because
it's
a
lot
more
public
whenever
there
is
a
police
involved
shooting,
because
that
is
something
that
goes
viral
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
When
it
happens,
then
more
americans
are
seeing
it,
but
it's
not
necessarily
a
new
issue
right.
E
The
numbers
are
pretty
consistent
from
what
we've
seen
in
terms
of
the
unfortunate
realities
when
officers
have
to
be
involved
in
homicide
situations,
but
the
public
is
starting
to
lose
faith
in
the
officer's
ability
to
be
trusted
in
those
situations-
and
I
think
when
we
talk
about
fixing
relationships,
we
can't
just
fix
the
numbers
exactly.
We
also
have
to
fix
the
perception.
E
When
we
look
at
these,
when
we
look
at
these
numbers,
we
say
far
more
americans
is
about
73
say
that
spending
on
their
local
police
should
stay
about
the
same
as
it
is
now.
42
believe
that
it's
increasing
a
42
percent
increase
from
its
current
level
at
31,
while
black
adults
are
more
likely
than
whites
to
figure
cuts
in
police,
but
budgets.
Fewer
than
half
of
black
adults.
42
say
that
spending
on
police
in
their
areas
should
be
reduced.
E
What
we
see
and
kind
of
with
this
defund
the
police
movement
is
not
necessarily
that
we
believe
that
the
officers
should
have
their
budgets
completely
cut,
but
those
funds
should
be
reallocated
into
different
programs
that
focus
more
on
policing
and
less
and
more
on
public
perception,
honestly
than
it
does
on
necessarily
some
of
the
projects
that
they
have
going
on
the
militarization
of
police.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
that
money
comes
from
grants
from
the
federal
government,
but
the
public
doesn't
necessarily
know
that.
E
E
But
on
this
on
the
back
end
of
that
education
aspect,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
showing
hey
we're
funding
these
programs.
I
know
paco
has
a
great
program
with
lots
of
officers
who
are
focused
completely
on
community
policing,
they're,
not
in
charge
of
doing
the
interactions
with
folks
and
dealing
with
crimes.
So
to
say,
and
that's
something
that's
great-
but
that's
not
something
that
the
public
has
a
lot
of
information
about.
So
what
we
see
again
reallocation
is
a
very
popular
idea.
E
Defunding
isn't
a
very
popular
idea,
so
how
can
we
find
out
where
this
money
could
be
better
spent
is
a
question
that
the
public
has
for
us
wrapping
up
here.
You
see
that
this
survey
again
pew
research
finds
overwhelmingly
there's
favor,
requiring
police
to
be
trained
in
non-violent
alternatives
to
deadly
force.
92
percent
of
the
public
supports
that,
but
90
also
support
a
database
that
tracks
officers,
abuse
or
misconduct.
We.
G
E
In
oklahoma,
that's
one
of
our
biggest
issues,
an
officer
can
be
a
bad
actor,
be
removed
from
that
police
department
and
then
go
to
the
next
town
over
or
a
different
part
of
the
state
and
get
a
job.
That's
something
that
is
really
concerning
to
a
lot
of
people,
one
of
the
most
egregious
being
officer
betty
shelby.
E
That's
something
that
the
public
sees
and
again,
though,
this
may
be
a
very
small
instance
or
a
maybe
a
small
occurrence
of
this
happening.
It's
one
of
those
ones
that
become
very
public.
So
in
our
terms
or
in
our
attempt
to
fix
community
policing
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
only
holding
police
officers
accountable
as
task
force
members
in
the
public,
but
that
the
police
officers
are
holding
themselves
accountable.
E
We
know
that
they
don't
like
bad
officers
anymore
than
we
do
so
working
on
instituting
a
database
like
that
that
tracks
that
abuse
and
misconduct
is
something
that
would
be
very
popular
within
our
community.
75
percent
of
the
population
polled
supports
citizens
advisory
boards.
We
obviously
have
one
now
I'm
interested
to
hear
the
explanation
that
we're
going
to
get
on
that
and
kind
of
a
review
of
that
coming
up.
74
want
officers
to
come
from
their
communities.
E
If
you
know
the
community,
if
you're
personally
invested
in
the
community,
if
you
have
relationships
within
the
community,
it's
a
lot
easier
for
you
to
police
it
and
74
believe
that
chokeholds
and
strangleholds
I
said
strongholds,
I
apologize
for
that.
Typo
should
be
a
crime
we've
seen
just
way
too
many
incidences
of
people
being
choked.
E
We
know
that
in
the
situations
there's
very
high
stress,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
the
right
approaches
and
the
right
alternatives
and
again
these
are
all
things
that
are
are
very
widely
popular.
That
are
simple
changes
that
the
police
department
can
make
internally
in
order
to
build
a
better
relationship
with
the
community
that
wraps
up
the
majority
of
my
presentation.
Josh
did
I
leave
anything
y'all
any
paid.
You
want
me
to
go
back
to.
H
No,
I
mean,
I
guess
I
suppose
we
should
just
if
there
are
questions
about
some
of
the
data
and
whatnot.
We
one
of.
H
We
want
to
mention
is
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
research
outside
of
the
sources
that
we've
used
here,
but
that
we
thought
it
was
best
to
actually
limit
it
to
sources
that
we
know
that
either
gurley
suggested.
So
the
the
research
that
we
found
from
the
first
several
slides
was
actually
from
the
international
association
chiefs
of
police,
which
was
great,
and
this
was
actually
just
first
published
in
at
the
end
of
january
of
this
year.
H
I
believe,
several
months
ago,
in
a
video
that
they
had
made
so
starting
with
research
material
that
could
be
considered
to
be
common
ground.
We
we
figured
would
be
best
as
a
way
to
start
the
discussion
about
what
the
problems
are.
E
Definitely
our
approach
here
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
using
information
that
doesn't
look
like
it's
biased
or
skewed
to
our
opinion,
but
it's
something
that
all
of
us
can
agree
on,
and
so,
if
we
can,
blm
can
come
together
with
the
chief
police
and
the
fop
and
utilize
the
same
information
to
make
these
presentations.
That's
what
we
wanted
to
start
the
conversation
on
again.
We
have
more
information
that
we
hope
to
provide
you
all
with
over
the
coming
months.
C
C
I
I
I
think,
for
the
most
part
I
mean
the
the
main
point
of
the
presentation
was
looking
at
things:
whether
whatever
data
is
there
that
we
can
do
to
improve,
and
that
was
the
part
of
the
presentation
that
I
keep
on
the
most.
Is
that
that's?
Why
we're
here
as
a
task
force
together
together
and
and
look
at
ways
that
we
can
do
better,
and
I
I
said
before
in
my
presentation,
my
goal
would
be
to
not
have
any
of
these
encounters
anymore.
I
So
if
there's
things
we
can
do
to
avoid
that,
then
that's
that's
what
we
need
to
be
working
toward
and-
and
you
know
that
would
be-
obviously
it's
probably
an
unrealistic
goal,
but
but
that
ultimately
would
be
the
goal
is
so
that
you
know
you
don't
have
that
impact
on
the
community
or
the
police
officers
themselves,
and
but
but
that's
that's
all
I'd
like
to
say
in
regards
to
that,
and
I
appreciate
the
presentation.
C
Very
good,
then,
we'll
move
on
to
questions
from
membership,
and
I
notice
we
have
one
from
our
ed.
J
Thank
umt
joshua.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
it
was.
It
was
helpful.
I
appreciate
that
just
a
question
to
maybe
chief
guardly,
you
could
answer
this.
How
is
what
is
the
methodology
for
documenting
and
collecting
the
data
of
use
of
force
incidents
by
officers
on
individual
calls
or
encounters?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
gather
that
data.
I
Our
our
procedures
require
that
anything
beyond
routine
handcuffing
is
reported
to
a
supervisor,
and
you
know
now,
with
body
cameras
on
those
interactions
we
we
have.
You
know
not
only
that
method
of
the
officer
reporting
self-reporting,
but
then
we
have
reviews
of
the
of
the
cameras
as
well
that
can
catch
anything
that
may
be
missed.
I
have
software
that
once
that
supervisor
is
notified,
it
generates
an
incident
in
this
administrative
tracking
software
and
every
incident
is
investigated
and
looked
into
by
that
supervisor.
I
It
goes
through
a
process
that
goes
through
the
chain
of
command,
where
it's
reviewed
all
the
way
up
to
the
division
commander,
and
then
it's
sent
to
a
what's
called
a
use
of
force.
Screening
committee
that
use
of
force
screening
committee
is
meets
regularly
and
reviews
all
uses
of
force
and
makes
any
determination
on
issues
that
that
may
arise.
I
You
know
whether,
like
you
saw
in
the
in
the
slide
on
the
presentation
on
some
of
the
de-escalation
issues
where
it
could
be
training
reviews
where
the
officer
goes
back
and
gets
more
training,
it
could
be
that
the
use
of
force
was
justified
and
appropriate
as
it
was,
and
so
all
of
that
is
documented
in
the
software.
Also,
what
the
use
of
force
screening
committee
does
as
well,
but
but
basically
the
key
to
that
is
anytime.
Something
goes
beyond
routine
handcuffing.
An
administrative
investigation
is
started.
J
So
the
it
relies
upon
a
verbal
notification
as
opposed
to
we
don't
have
a,
for
example,
a
specific
form.
That's
a
standard,
along
with
all
of
our
other
reporting
forms
where
just
on
every
incident,
where
there's
a
there's,
a
contact
where
we
just
check
the
box,
no
force
used
or
handcuffed
or
scuffle,
or
what
something
that
long.
That
goes
along
with
it.
I
It
does
and
it's
all
electronic
it's
inside
the
administrative
tracking
software
and
it
works
just
almost
exactly
like
you
described
the
supervisor
goes
through,
and
and
does
that
checklist
they
also,
you
know
the
supervisors
are
going
to
review
reports
as
well,
and
so
you
know
that
that
information
in
the
officers
report
too
will
be
entered
into
the
administrative
software
as
well.
C
C
K
Had
a
quick
question
for
mr
harris
in
your
evaluation,
the
what
was
it
twelve
hundred
and
some
odd
uses
of
force
you
looked
at
that
was
from
a
one
year
period.
Is
that
correct.
E
I
believe
so
when
it
was
provided
to
me
these
I
was
just
given
the
numbers,
and
so
I
think,
chief
gurley.
I
think
that
might
have
been
just
from
2018,
but
chief
gurley.
Please
feel
free
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
I
Those
numbers
you
were
given
were
only
de-escalation
that
numbers
that
were
evaluated
and
they
they
cover
about
a
two-year
period
between
when
we
started
in
2018
until
the
most
current
time
frame.
You
know
that
we
had
the
data
which,
if
we
go
up
until
this
current
date,
there's
some
administrative
reviews
that
haven't
been
all
the
way
through
the
process,
but
the
numbers
were
up
until
current
current
time
frames.
I
K
Yeah
and
the
only
reason
I
bring
that
up
is
the
same
point
I
had
last
time
is
in
looking
at
uses
of
force
and
de-escalation,
and
all
of
this
you
still
have
to
consider
the
definition
of
use
of
force.
It's
not
standardized
around
the
country
and
every
department
considers
the
use
of
force
differently
than
other
departments,
and
oklahoma
city
has
one
of
the
most
stringent
definitions
of
use
of
force.
E
Right,
but
I
think
like,
as
chief
gurley
just
pointed
out
this,
this
is
separate.
These
are
separate
numbers.
This
is
there's
use
of
force
and
there's
de-escalation
incidents.
So
these
are
just
the
escalation
incidents,
not
the
use
of
force
incidents
for
everybody
on
the
call
we
do
want
to
make
sure
you
know
those
are.
Those
are
different
as
we
focus
on
de-escalation
training.
I
And-
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
that
too-
you
you
won't-
you
won't
find
comparisons
of
de-escalation,
because
we're
the
only
agency
that
actually
evaluates
our
de-escalation
other
agencies
are,
are
wanting
to
do
that
and
there's
research
being
done
on
our
department
right
now,
because
we're
the
only
ones
that
have
that
data.
So
you
won't
find
specific
de-escalation
data
like
what
we
have,
because
no
other
agency
is
evaluating.
It.
E
Right-
and
that
was
very
another
part
of
the
research
that
I
hope
you
all
pulled
from
it
was
that
you
know
there
is
a
lot
more
research
that
needs
to
be
done
on
de-escalation
in
terms
of
finding
out
how
effective
it
is
in
different
communities,
and
so,
as
chief
gurley
mentioned,
they
are
being
examined
and
they're
having
their
processes
looked
at
because
we
need
to
find
out
like
how
effective
is
this.
Is
it
something
that
we
need
every
police
station
to
be
doing?
E
G
G
I
called
earlier
today
to
get
a
the
numbers
of
how
many
folks
have
died
in
police
custody
and
it's
all
in
how
they
document
the
first
numbers
I
was
given
was
seven,
and
so
I
said
to
myself
that
didn't
sound
right
and
so
the
reason
I
said
it
didn't
sound
right,
because
we
were
aware
more
than
that,
possibly
have
considered
to
be
died
in
police
custody.
G
So,
if
they're
not
actually
charged
with
the
death,
they
have
a
tendency
to
not
be
on
the
list
that
10
died
in
police
custody,
they
killed
them
or
they
died
in
police
custody,
so
documentation
of
how
we
can
collect
the
data
present.
The
data
makes
a
difference.
So
that's
why
we
can
have
a
discrepancy
as
to
how
many
have
actually
died
in
police
custody
with
that
number
that
was
being
disputed.
G
So
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
just
the
documentation
alone
plays
a
role
in
how
we
move
forward.
If
we
aren't
able
to
accept
that
a
number
that
we
didn't
just
pull
out
a
whole,
we
didn't
create
the
number
and
it's
being
disputed.
We
understand
that
in
order
to
cover
myself
or
appear
to
be
a
certain
way,
it's
okay.
G
We
understand
you're
supposed
to
protect
yourself,
that's
the
case,
but
what
we're
after
is
being
able
to
seek
a
difference
in
the
manner
in
which
they
receive
the
data,
a
difference
in
clarification
as
to
police
force.
De-Escalation,
if
we
were
to
act,
we
understand
that
policing
is
totally
different
from
street.
So
if
we
was
to
ask
the
average
person
on
the
street
about
what
he
might
have
just
observed
just
an
example,
this
past
monday,
this
past
monday
today
is
wednesday.
G
E
E
Whenever
we
look
at
any
of
the
data
and
whenever
we
have
the
conversations,
that's
going
to
make
it
harder
for
us
to
either
defend
the
actions
of
police
officers
who
are
justified
or
understand
when
those
actions
aren't
justified
so
that
transparency
component,
we
have
to
establish
a
good
foundation
in
order
for
us
to
have
true
transparency
and
then
the
other
part
is
when
we
talk
about
de-escalation.
If
the
de-escalation
training
is
phenomenal,
then
that's
great.
But
what
happens
when
that
de-escalation
fails?
E
What
happens
on
the
other
end
of
that
de-escalation
training
or
that
de-escalation,
when
the
de-escalation
doesn't
work?
Are
we
taking
the
proper
steps
and
the
progression
of
force,
and
that
is
something
that
our
community
is
very
interested
in
knowing
and
being
able
to
get
that
information
can
only
come
from.
You
know
internal
sources
right.
You
guys,
review
the
videos.
Yes,
they
did
a
phenomenal
job.
They
were
very
calm.
They
tried
to
ask
them
to
relax
several
times.
They
tried
to
establish
a
dialogue,
but
on
the.
E
Was
there
too
much
aggression
to
use
it's
something
that
we
have
to
think
about,
because
we
can
say
they
did
a
great
attempt
at
getting
the
situation
de-escalated,
but
if
they
didn't
do
a
good
job
and
making
sure
the
escalation
of
force
afterwards,
I
was
acceptable
and
that's
something
that's
going
to
create
issues
with
that
community.
H
So,
to
go
back
to
garland's
point,
actually
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
the
the
term
that
has
been
used,
that
I
don't
quite
understand,
is
the
notion
of
a
routine
handcuffing,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
by
definition,
a
handcuffing
is
never
routine.
H
That
isn't
just
the
course.
So
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
if
there
is
a
definition
and
I'm
being
sincere
with
my
question,
is
there
a
definition
of
what
constitutes
a
routine
handcuffing?
And
so
that's
the
first
question.
The
second
one
is,
since
there
is
no
standard
or
national
level
definition
of
whether
it
be
use
of
force
of
the
escalation,
whatever
else?
H
How?
What
are
we
basing
this?
This
judgment
call
that
our
use
of
force,
definitions
and
things
like
that
are
the
most
stringent
that
is
compared
to
what,
if
there's
no
national
standard.
So
I
guess
that
first
one
what
exactly
defines
a
routine
handcuffing
and
the
second
one,
if
there's
no
nationalized
standard,
how
do
we
know
that
we
have
stringent
standards.
L
Joshua,
if
I
could
try
to
answer
the
first
part
for
you
simply
because
I
sat
on
the
use
of
first
committee,
more
recently
than
chief
quarterly
and
basically
anything
other
than
so
so
we
do
feel
that
we
have
one
of
the
most
stringent
standards,
because
you
know
you're
right.
A
lot
of
these
circumstances
aren't
very
routine
routine.
Handcuffing
would
be
when
you,
when
an
individual
complies
with
you.
They
turn
they
turn
around.
They
give
you
their
hands
and
you
simply
handcuff
them
with
no
use
of
force
whatsoever.
L
They
comply
100
and
you're,
making
an
arrest
or
you're
detaining
a
person
and
you're
able
to
put
handcuffs
on
them
without
any
type
of
escalation
or
use
of
force,
anything
other
than
that.
If
the
person
doesn't
want
to
go,
if
they
push
the
officer
if
they
go
to
the
ground,
anything
that
is
not
full.
Compliance
on
that
handcuffing
to
us
is
a
use
of
force
and
and
every
one
of
those
has
worked.
L
So,
if
that
individual,
whether
they're,
intoxicated
or
on
drugs,
whatever
situation,
if
they
don't
comply,
100
percent
turn
around,
give
you
their
hands
and
the
officer
is
able
to
place
handcuffs
on
them
without
taking
them
to
the
ground
or
without
using
any
type
of
other
techniques
that
to
us
is
routine
handcuffing.
So
if
you
can
imagine
anything
other
than
that,
any
any
strikes
blows
to
use
of
pepper
spray
is
a
use
of
force,
oc
spray,
that
is
a
use
of
force
for
us
a
baton
and
obviously
firearms
is
the
most
obvious.
L
But
that's
if
that
explains
a
little
bit
any
anything
more
than
full
compliance
would
be
a
use
of
force.
L
Well,
you
know,
for
we
and
I
didn't
see
the
incident,
but
I
can
envision.
You
know
an
individual
being
forcefully,
maybe
he's
handcuffed
already,
but
they're
forcefully
having
to
put
him
a
police
car
yeah.
That's
that's
the
use
of
force
that
needs
to
be
reported
to
the
supervisor.
A
full
use
of
force
packet
is
going
to
be
reviewed.
The
supervisor
the
use
of
force
committee
will
determine
whether
the
the
force
use
was
justified
and
appropriate,
and
if
it's
not,
then
that
officer
is
going
to
be
disciplined
for
it.
L
So,
what's
even
worse
is
that
if
that
use
of
force
is
not
reported,
if
that
officer
does
not
report
that
use
of
force
and-
and
we
catch
that
on
a
body
cam
video
later
on,
because
supervisors
and
and
watch
commanders,
they
review
videos
routinely
to
make
sure
that
that
that
there's
a
checks
and
balances
and
and
we
identify
a
use
of
force
that
was
not
reported.
That's
that's
a
big
deal
and
then
and
then
it
becomes
not
just
a
use
of
force
investigation,
but
an
administrative
investigation
to
see
what
policies
were
violated.
H
H
L
Hour's,
a
video
right
right,
yeah,
that's
too
many
hours.
Basically,
that's
something
that
is
contractual
it
is.
It
is
something
that
we
negotiate
through
the
fop
and
it
is
random.
They
take
a
random
sampling
of
of
certain
officers
and
I
believe
they
do
monthly
reviews.
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
check
the
contract
in
the
policy
and
and
and
they
determine
whether
okay
is
everything
going.
L
Okay,
because
the
basically
the
the
philosophy
behind
that
is,
is
that
if
we
see
inappropriate
action
in
a
random
viewing
of
a
body
cam
video,
then
we
can
ask
start
asking
questions.
Okay,
they
performed
an
inappropriate
act.
Is
this
routine
for
this
officer
now
that
gives
us
justification
to
pull
more
videos
and
determine
whether
this
is
just
a
random
thing
that
can
be
addressed
one
time
or
whether
this
is
non-compliance
of
policy
on
on
a
daily
basis.
So
it
gives
us
that
avenue
to
for
investigation.
L
Each
well
each
watch
commander
say
it's
a
third
shift
watch
commander:
they
they
would
review
the
the
videos
for
for
their
shift.
So
that's
going
to
be
third
shift.
That's
going
to
be
9,
30
p.m,
to
7
30
in
the
morning.
So
so
each
shift
is
going
to
be
checks
and
bounces
by
those
supervisors.
On
that
shift.
Okay,.
H
Okay,
and
since
it
is
electronic
on
those
sorts
of
things,
is
it
would
that
data
be
at
least
like
as
far
as
how
the
incidents
are
categorized,
let's
say
or
marked,
or
something
like
that,
would
that
data
be
immediately
available
and
is
it
something
that
could
be
made
publicly
available?
H
I
G
G
So
now,
if
the
statement
is
made
that
anything
beyond
a
routine
handcuffing
would
be
considered
a
violation
I
would
go
to,
I
would
personally
say
the
majority
of
them
are
in
violation
just
based
on
some
of
things
that
I've
seen
personally
now
the
most
recent
thing
that
just
took
place
on
monday.
Like
I
say,
someone
has
that
video
right
now
if
we
was
to
submit
it
based
on
your
guideline,
your
criteria
that
would
be
considered
a
misuse
of
force.
M
I
would
clarify
too,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
that
I'm
sorry
joshua,
I'm
just
going
to
clarify
that
they
didn't
say
that
anything
beyond
a
routine
handcuffing
is
a
violation.
It's
a
use
of
force,
and
that
means
it'll
be
reviewed,
but
it
doesn't
mean
it's
a
violation
because
it's
beyond
a
routine
handcuffing.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
joshua.
E
Sorry,
once
you're
ready
to
co-host,
you
can't
raise
your
hand
anymore,
or
else
I
would
raise
my
hand
in
the
participants
section.
You
can
all
obviously
take
that
ability
away
from
you,
since
I
don't
have
to
screen
share
anymore.
If
you
need
to
zach.
I
just
had
two
quick
questions:
one
when
we
talk
about
the
fop
contract
that
you
have
to
review.
Is
that
open
for
the
entire
task
force
to
review,
or
is
that
contract
privy
to
only
the
fop
and
the
police
department?.
E
I
would
love
to.
I
will
email
sharita,
so
I
can
get
a
view
of
that.
The
other
part
is
when
we
talk
about
this
use
of
force
committee.
That
reviews
this.
E
Obviously
I
would
assume
that's
all
police
officers-
would
an
independent
monitor
on
that
committee,
help
in
terms
of
providing
the
community
with
a
little
bit
more
feeling
of
fairness
on
that
something
some
person
from
the
community
kind
of
not
to
take
or
replace
the
citizens
advisory
board,
but
somebody,
maybe
even
a
member
of
the
citizens
advisory
board
who
sits
on
that
panel
to
review
those
videos
as
well.
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
maybe
you
could
help
us
in
terms
of
our
building
relationships
with
the
community.
M
I
I
would
say
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
look
at
as
we
get
the
consultants
to
come
in
and
take
a
look
at
this.
I
don't
think
at
this
point.
You
know
since
we're
in
the
process
and
we're
all
going
to
review
this
together.
It
would
make
more
sense
to
let
the
consultants
come
in
bring
the
best
practices
and
make
recommendations
and
discuss
types
of
things
just
like
what
you're
raising.
H
I
The
fact
that
yeah
I've
got
it
written
down
for
you,
and
I
was
going
to
respond
to
that.
Thank
you
for
going
back
to
it.
The
reason
we
can
say
our
use
of
force
is
the
most
stringent
in
the
research
that
we've
done
looking
around
the
country,
the
majority
of
agencies,
what
they
do
on
a
use
of
forces.
They
don't
work
a
use
of
force
unless
there's
a
lot
of
them,
use
the
term
significant
injury
and-
and
so
that's
the
only
time
they
would
investigate
a
use
of
force.
M
And
I
would
say,
too,
that
we
aren't
saying
that
we've
looked
at
every
single
department
in
the
country,
but
when
they
do
research
there,
you
know
we're
looking
at
other
major
departments
to
try
to
compare
to
that
to
to
know
what
others
are
doing.
So
it's
more
of
a
generalization
of
ours
are
more
stringent
than
what
we
found
in
most
other
departments
that
we've
that
we've
researched.
H
Okay,
so
so,
when
what
so,
what
was
meant?
That
gives
me
clarity
on
just
the
when
you
say
a
stringent
definition
for
use
of
force,
we
mean
that
the
what
constitutes,
what
would
I
guess,
push
us
into
investigating
a
use
of
force
incident
is
incredibly
stringent.
That
is
anything
more
than
a
routine
handcuffing
by
the
department's.
Definitions
is
going
to
be
investigated
in
some
way,
shape
or
form.
I
Okay,
it
basically
means
they
have
to
notify
a
supervisor
and
then
that
supervisor
comes
out
to
the
scene,
and
so
at
least,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
a
use
of
force
would
be
investigated
in
every
incident.
Because
sometimes
you
know
the
officer
may
be
overly
cautious
in
contacting
the
supervisor
and
it
may
not
rise
to
that
use
of
force
level,
but
there
there
will
be.
According
to
the
policy,
there
has
to
be
a
supervisor
contacted
on
anything
beyond
routine
handcuffing,
and
I
will
say
that
most
of
those
are
investigated.
C
Joshua,
that's
the
other
thing
that
makes
it
difficult
to
compare
department
by
department
because
they
do
things
differently.
Some
departments
only
wants
will
take
a
use
of
force
if
a
person
is
injured,
some
will
only
do
a
use
of
force
if
somebody
complains
about
force
so
there's
different
ways
that
it's
done
around
the
country.
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
re,
compare
one
department's
numbers
to
another
department's
numbers
because
of
that
disparity
and
how
they
classify
use
of
force.
H
M
Commissioner,
back
team
goes
out
on
the
incident
and
is
able
to
make
those
arrests
and
talk
those
people
into
coming
out.
That's
using
de-escalation
tactics
that
certainly
could
have
been
something
that
was
more
violent.
I
don't
know
about
you
know
as
far
as
how
we
track
data,
but
there's
no
question
that
using
de-escalation
techniques,
whether
it's
you
and
me
having
a
conversation
and
us
us
treating
each
other
with
respect.
I
think
there's
there's
no
question
that
de-escalation
tactics,
work
and
and
the
training
is
effective.
M
M
M
Something
that
could
have
been
you
know
could
have
resulted
in
use
of
force
or
someone
gets
in
a
situation
on
a
traffic
stop
and
it
starts
getting
heated.
The
officer
backs
down,
backs
away
or
is
able
to
de-escalate.
You
know,
calm
the
situation.
I
don't
know
that
there's
documentation
if
there's
no
incident
that
occurs
in
and
out
of
that.
So
I'm
thinking
you
know
with
what
you're
saying
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
that
tracking
of
data
might
look
like.
But
I
know
there
are
incidents
that
we
have
where
we
know
the
people
applying.
M
C
Okay
and
one
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
do,
hopefully
in
the
future
as
we
get
further
into
this,
is
that
if,
when
we
get
consultants
on
board
is
to
have
them
review
the
way
we
track
our
data
and
see
if,
if
we
are
doing
it
right
wrong,
whichever
way,
so
I
I
just
throw
that
out
there
for
comment.
The
next
person
that
I
have
that
wants
to
speak
is
nate
tarver.
O
Thank
you
mt.
I
actually
forgot.
I
pushed
that
button,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
also
mention
to
both
the
joshuas
and
everyone
else
from
that
matter.
O
When
you
talk
about
uses
of
force
and
how
stringent
oklahoma
city
is
or
isn't
on
their
uses
of
force,
what
many
of
the
police
departments
across
the
nation
uses
the
department
of
justice
model,
and
you
are
welcome
to
look
at
that
and
basically
what
that
model
is,
is
pretty
much
what
chief
gorly
said
earlier
that
if
a
subject
either
complains
of
injury
or
there
are
visible
injuries
and
that's
kind
of
the
standard
that
they
have
set
oklahoma
city
police
department
and
for
those
of
you
don't
know,
I
was
a
member
of
this
of
the
oklahoma
city
police
department
for
a
while
has,
as
long
as
I
can
recall,
gone
beyond
the
department
of
justice
model
for
investigating
uses
of
force,
so
that
kind
of
muddies
the
water
a
little
bit
more
as
far
as
what
a
definition
of
use
of
force
is
beyond
routine
handcuffing.
O
So,
like
I
said
you
can
just
look
up
what
the
department
of
justice
says
regarding
uses
of
force
and
the
other
thing
too,
about
de-escalation
techniques.
You
know
the
officers
are
taught
that
and
they
try
to
utilize
that
you
know
they
should
utilize
it.
However,
you
know
that's
not
an
end-all
fix-all,
it's
kind
of
like
the
crisis
intervention,
training,
we've
had
crisis,
invention,
training
and
we
try
to
utilize
those
techniques,
but
it
does
not
always
work
with
our
mental
health
consumers.
C
Next
up
is
joshua
harris
teal.
E
Mine
is
real
short
for
city
manager
freeman.
When
we
talk
about
the
research
that
you
guys
did
in
terms
of
establishing
that
you
have
some
of
the
most
strange
standards.
Do
you
have
that
research
available?
Is
that
something
that
we
can
review
and
then
just
further
clarification?
E
I
understand
that
we're
waiting
on
the
consultant-
and
this
is
stuff
that
we
want
them
to
research
as
well,
but
kind
of
my
work
style
is-
is
doing
the
research
myself.
That
way,
I
can
figure
out
what
questions
that
I
want
to
ask.
If
I,
if
I
can't
look
at
the
research
and
see
the
totality
of
it,
then
I
don't
know
if
the
questions
I'm
asking
or
something
that's
already
answered
in
the
work
or
something
that
you
know
wasn't.
E
In
the
work-
and
we
want
to
get
that
clarification
on
so
not
to
say
that
I
don't
believe
anything
or
anybody
anyone's
saying
just
saying
that
that's
that's
how
I
work
best.
M
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
that
we've
got
a
study,
that's
pulled
together
on
that
and
I
think
that's
something
that
that
popcorn,
chief
or
dexter
might
be
able
to
answer
or
nate.
But
what
I
was
trying
to
reference
was
that
we
aren't
suggesting
that
we
know
what
every
single
department's
doing
as
we
look
at
different
policies,
we'll
go
out
and
pull
policies
from
other
departments
and
look
at
those
policies
to
compare
looking
for
best
practices.
I
don't
know
it's
all
pulled
together
in
one
study.
M
M
We
can
look
to
see
if
we've
got
something
that
we've
pulled
together
on
other
policies
where
we
have
it
compiled
that
we
could
share,
but
otherwise
it's
generally
something
that
we're
either
looking
on
open
records
or
records
that
are
available
online
or
contacting
departments
directly
to
pull
that
that
information.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has.
You
know
any
further
information
in
terms
of
what
studies
we
got
together
or
what
information
that
we've
pulled
on
those
policies.
I
Chief
carver
answered
that
with
the
department
of
justice
guidelines.
If
you'll
look
at
those
that's
what
the
majority
of
agencies
larger
agencies
around
the
country,
use
there'll,
be
some
variations
here
and
there
on
how
their
follow-ups
and
things
are
done.
But
that's
what
the
majority
do
they.
They
will
not
start
a
process
involving
a
use
of
force
and
do
what
we
do
as
far
as
like
notifying
a
supervisor
and
those
kind
of
things
in
most
cases,
unless
they're
following
those
doj
guidelines,
which
usually
require
that
someone
report
an
injury
or
a
complaint.
E
And
just
a
quick
follow-up
when
you
look
at
different
police
stations
to
compare
to
is
there
a
certain
group
of
police
stations
you
look
at?
Is
that
random?
Is
that
different?
Every
time
were
there
kind
of
some
go-to's
that
you
guys
would
say
you
examine
whenever
you're
kind
of
doing
this
research
internally.
I
We
normally
use
what's
called
major
cities,
there's
the
major
cities,
chiefs
association.
You
can
get
online
and
look
at
them.
It's
made
up
of.
I
forget
the
numbers.
It's
like
75,
77
agencies
and
oklahoma
city
is
part
of
this
part
of
that
oklahoma,
city
and
tulsa
are
part
of
the
major
city
chiefs
association.
That's.
I
Of
our
our
research
goes
because
that's
comparing
agencies
that
you
know,
while
we
may
not
be
similar
in
size,
we're
at
least
part
of
that
same
group.
It's
a
professional
organization.
M
P
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
mt.
I,
my
original
question
has
already
been
answered,
but
I
have
a
question,
and
that
is
on
the
use
of
force.
Continuum
as
a
suspect
is
apprehended
and
handcuffed.
P
Would
that
just
what
you've
heard
from
him
run
up
any
red
flags
to
you
in
terms
of
how
the
officers
responded
with
use
of
force
after
the
suspect
had
been
handcuffed
and
then
thrown
to
the
ground
slammed
up
against
the
car?
Those
kinds
of
things
is
that
necessary
for.
I
I
I
can't
really
answer
a
question
regarding
what
garland's
talking
about
that's
the
first
I've
heard
of
it.
I
have
no
idea
what
happened
in
that
instance.
It'd
probably
be
good
if
garland
would
reach
out
to
us
and
provide
us
some
specifics
when
that
happened,
you
know
date
time,
location.
I
He
mentioned
the
library,
but
that
way
we
can
pull
body
camera
or
we
can
at
least
check
at
that
division
check
and
we
we
can
use
our
cad
history
and
some
other
things
to
identify
that
particular
incident
and
then
look
into
it
and
find
out
what
happened.
This
is
the
first
I'm
hearing
of
that.
So
I
I'm
not
sure
anything
about
that
particular
incident.
P
Well,
I
I
don't
really,
you
know
I
just
want
to
do
it
based
upon
what
you've
heard
from
him.
Would
that
draw
any
red
flags
for
you
about
use
of
force
in
this
particular
instance,
and
I
and
I
I
could
just
use
it
as
a
hypothetical
without
you
having
to
speak
to
that
particular
situation,
because
you
do
not
know
details,
but
just
as
was
described,
would
that
run
up
some
concern
for
you.
I
I
would
want
to
look
into
any
incident
where,
where
we
used
force,
what,
if,
if
what
garland
is
describing
occurred,
just
as
he
said,
that
is
a
use
of
force
that
would
require
notification
to
a
supervisor
and
it
would
most
likely
based
on
if
it
happened
just
as
described
it
would
require
a
use
of
force
investigation.
I
I
would
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
if
things
happened,
just
like
that
my
hope
would
be,
they
did
contact
their
supervisor
and
that
process
has
already
started
and
moving
forward
as
we
speak,
and
so,
if
I
can
get
some
particulars
on
that,
I
can
follow
up
on
that
and
be
able
to
respond
to
garland
and
let
him
know
you
know
hey
this,
we're
already
looking
into
this,
or
at
least
providing
some
details
of
the
circumstances.
We
do
that
all
the
time.
G
The
incident
took
place
on
monday
about
4
30
at
the
library,
but
I'll
make
it
my
business
to
see
when
I
can
get
that
tape.
The
video
that
someone
actually
taped
it,
and
so
now,
when
you
speak
of,
like
you,
were
saying
after
in
custody,
and
you
bring
the
person's
arm
up
back
up
behind
them,
which
they
were
already
handcuffed
and
they
started
hollering
and
screaming,
as
they
you
know,
have
them
up
against
the
car
hollering.
G
I
would
make
it
my
business
attempt
to
try
to
get
that
fam
that
video
and
provide
it
to
you,
but
it
took
place
on
monday
between
4
30
and
5
30
in
the
evening
at
the
library
had
at
least
four
different
police
cars
came
up
during
a
rally
that
was
coming
up,
most
of
them
that
the
portion
that
they
filmed
is,
you
know,
wasn't
much,
but
the
portion
that
one
person
filmed
is
from
the
time
that
he
come
out
of
the
library
handcuffed
already
to
the
ground
back
up
over
the
car
back
up
to
the
ground
to
end
the
car
and
then
after
they
put
him
in
the
car
they
drug
him
back
out
of
the
car
and
put
restraints
on
his
legs.
G
So
I'm
just
I
will
make
it
my
business
to
try
to
provide
you
with
that
video
and
so
I'm
sure
that
officers
work
certain
areas,
so
you'll
be
able
to
contact
exactly
who
they
were
matter
of
fact,
the
particular
police
car
that
he
rode
off
in
the
young
lady
say.
Well,
I
did
get
the
tag
number
of
the
car,
so
all
of
that's
available
was
to
be
provide.
You
with
that
information,
no
problem.
I
E
I
might
see
my
hand
raised
there.
I
would
just
like
some
direction
as
I'm
looking
and
doing
research
for
the
department
of
justice
to
figure
out
kind
of
what
they're,
using
as
definitions
and
standards.
I
only
see
them
defining
excessive
use
of
force.
They
don't
actually
have
a
definition
for
use
of
force
or
do
you
guys
feel
like
those
are
the
same
thing
like?
E
Obviously,
they
aren't,
because
some
force
being
used
wouldn't
necessarily
constitute
it
being
excessive,
but
since
there's
only
an
excessive
use
of
force,
definition
on
the
dojs
provided
by
the
doj
I
kind
of
just
wanted
to
get
some
direction.
I
mean
we
can
talk
about
this
offline.
If
you
guys
have
a
source
that
you
think
might
be
helpful.
E
I
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
clear
foundation
of
what
all
of
the
definitions
are
of
how
we're
approaching
things
of
how
we're
looking
at
things,
because
if
we
don't
have
that
established-
and
I
think
we're
always
going
to
be
kind
of
off
kilter
here,.
C
L
A
L
If
you
guys
can
see,
let
me
know
if
you
can
see
that
screen
on
there,
the
citizens
advisory
board,
which
is
commonly
known
as
the
cab
you
know,
was
something
that
was
created
and
before
I
start,
let
me
start
with
this.
The
honorable,
robert
jackson,
justice
of
supreme
court
once
said
it
is
not
the
function
of
our
government
to
keep
the
citizens
from
failing
falling
into
error.
L
Excuse
me,
it
is
a
function
of
the
citizen
to
keep
the
government
from
falling
into
error,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
philosophy
behind
the
the
cab
that
it
is
up
to
the
citizens
to
to
be
an
oversight
for
entities
of
government
that
includes
the
police
department.
There
was
an
incident
in
2002
involving
a
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
donald
pete,
who
was
was
engaged
in,
was
basically
in
a
vehicle
talking
to
a
woman
who
was
believed
to
be
a
prostitute.
L
He
was
also
in
possession
of
marijuana
and
an
officer
and
engaged
him
after
receiving
a
call
of
a
suspicious
vehicle
and
when
he
tried
to
get
him
into
custody,
he
was
not
able
to.
Mr
pete
was
quite
a
bit
larger
than
the
officer
in
question,
and
a
use
of
force
ensued
where
the
officer
was
was
forced
to
use
his
baton,
trying
to
trying
to
get
mr
pete
to
to
comply.
L
There
was
video
of
this
incident
and
it
received
a
lot
of
attention
not
just
locally
but
nationally,
so
that
was
really
the
genesis
or
the
catalyst
if
you
will
for
the
cab
following
that,
there
was
a
various
meetings
between
then
chief
of
police
mt
barry,
the
the
district
attorney's
office,
members
of
the
clergy
for
the
northeast
community,
as
well
as
others
and
the
department
of
justice,
and
the
result
was
the
creation
of
the
citizens
advisory
board
in
2005..
L
Basically,
the
duties
of
of
the
citizens
advisory
board
is
to
look
over
at
completed
investigations.
These
investigations
can
can
come
from
citizen
complaints.
They
can
come
from
allegations
of
excessive
force
of
police
brutality
by
any
department,
employee
and
any
other
incident
which
they
want
to
review.
L
They
provide
comments
and
suggestions,
recommendations
to
the
chief
of
police
on
the
basis
of
improving
department
policy
procedures
and
rules,
so
we
also
ask
them
to
convene
and
to
to
attend
public
forums,
so
they
could
explain
what
what
they
do
and
what
role
they
play,
and
let
me
just
be
very
clear
that
the
cab
is
is
in
thomas
entity.
They
they
basically
have
a
chair
and
and
various
members
total
nine
members,
and
they
run
that
themselves.
The
police
department
does
not
does
not
run
it.
L
As
I
said,
nine
members
on
this
board,
they
do
meet
every
other
month.
They
typically
meet
at
police
headquarters.
These
are
not
public
meetings.
They're
not
announced
to
the
public.
Basically,
each
board
member
is
asked
to
sign
a
confidentiality
statement.
We
believe
that
that,
in
order
to
adequately
review
any
and
all
investigation,
it
is,
it
is
a
very
important
that
we
provide
them
all
the
information.
L
All
the
information
that
they
review
is
not
public
record
names,
body-worn
cameras,
nothing's
nothing's,
you
know
everything's
given
to
them
raw,
so
they're
able
to
really
look
into
the
details
of
of
the
of
the
incident
and
provide
a
recommendation,
and
thus
it
cannot
be
open
to
the
public.
Because
of
those
reasons,
if,
if
any
citizen
wants
the
the
cab
to
look
over
any
incident,
you
know,
for
example,
the
incident
that
garland
just
described
they
can
go
to
our
website
okc.gov
and
look
under
departments.
L
Government
under
the
about
us
is
the
citizens
advisory
board
there.
You
will
see
a
link
to
a
an
email
address
where
you
can
send
the
information
it
goes
to
this,
the
cab,
not
the
police
department,
so
they
can
look
into
any
matter
that
they
feel
should
be,
should
have
their
attention
once
again.
L
The
the
types
of
cases
that
they
frequently
look
at
are
citizen
complaints,
formal
complaints,
allegations
of
excessive
force,
police
brutality,
all
in
custody,
deaths,
officer-involved
shootings
and
any
other
incident
that
that
they
deem
is
a
public
concern.
For
example,
there
may
be
an
incident
that
doesn't
fall
into
any
of
these
categories,
but
perhaps
it's
on
the
news
or
it
just
you
know-
reaches
a
lot
of
public
attention.
Well
then,
the
cab
would
would
may
ask
for
the
information
surrounding
this
incident
and
also
review
that
one
as
well
as
I
said
before.
L
They
they
can
provide
recommendations
or
voice
or
concerns
to
the
chief
of
police
if
they
feel
that
the
chief
of
police
does
not
adequately
solve
remedy
this
situation,
they
can
also
ask
that
the
city
manager
look
at
the
incident
as
well.
L
Basically,
in
order
to
be
on
the
citizens
advisory
board,
all
you
need
to
do
is
complete
an
application.
Attach
your
resume
to
it.
There
is
a
background
check
associated
with
it
and
there
is
an
interview
process
by
the
cab.
The
cab
selects
their
own
members.
The
police
department
does
not
do
that.
It
is
up
to
the
chairperson
and
the
other
members
of
the
cab
to
to
select
who
is
going
to
be
part
of
that
group.
L
They
do
serve
on
that
indefinitely.
However,
if
there's
a
member
who
misses
more
than
three
consecutive
meetings
without
justification,
they
can
also
be
removed
as
far
as
qualifications.
They
must
be
a
permanent
resident
of
oklahoma
city,
own
real
property
in
oklahoma
city
work
or
maintain
a
place
of
business
in
oklahoma
city
and
be
engaged
with
the
community.
Obviously,
good
reputation
of
integrity
and
community
service
adds
credibility
to
the
caba
as
well.
L
So
that's
something
that
is
required
and
no
immediate
family
members
can
be
currently
employed
by
the
city
manager
or
be
a
city
employee.
You
know
we
feel
that
that
would
be
a
conflict
of
interest.
Also,
the
members
cannot
be
party
of
legal
or
legal
representative
to
any
litigation
against
the
city.
As
far
as
the
breakdown
by
ethnicity,
you
can
see
that
it's
pretty
even
split.
L
You
know
because
it
can
be
even
evenly
split,
because
it's
it's
an
odd
number,
but
various
cultures
backgrounds
are
represented
as
part
as
part
of
the
cab.
Mr
doug
white
is
currently
the
chairperson,
but
but
we
do
have
several
members
who
represent
various
parts
of
the
community,
miss
malacca
lizagi.
She
represents
our
muslim
community.
Don
graham
is
somebody.
Who's
worked
very
closely
with
the
south
side
community
mr
mannix
barnes,
who
is
here
with
us
today
to
answer
any
questions.
L
He
may
want
to
say
some
a
few
words
he
is
a
member
of
the
kiowa
tribe.
Mr
robert
everman,
is
a
member
of
the
choctaw
tribe
he's
been
on
the
cab
for
quite
some
time.
Mr
michael
brooks
is
a
pastor
of
a
northeast
church
and
he's
also
a
u.s
navy
veteran
mr
jacob
hill
has
actually
assisted
the
police
department
in
various
trainings
to
include
a
disability
training.
You
know
after
we
had
the
incident
with
the
with
a
young
man
down
south
who
could
not
number
one.
L
He
didn't
speak
english
number
two.
He
was
deaf,
so
the
officers
couldn't
communicate.
We
asked
mr
hill
to
help
us
to
come
up
with
some
some
better
training
in
order
to
train
the
officers
of
how
to
identify
somebody
who
cannot
communicate
with
them.
He
also
sits
on
our
board,
miss
monica
finley
and
I'd
like
to
thank
her
personally,
because
she
is
here
with
us
today
to
answer
any
questions
and
then
miss
evelyn
cardona.
L
I
do
believe
that
she's
the
most
recently
added
member
she
is
a
native
of
el
salvador,
but
is
very
much
involved
in
our
community
here
in
oklahoma
city
and
the
newest
member
of
our
board.
So
that
is
all
that
I
have
as
far
as
the
presentation,
so
I
would
like
to
open
it
up
to
any
questions
and,
and
also
you
know,
the
two
members
who
are
here
with
us
today,
mr
barnes
and
miss
finley,
I'm
sure
they'll
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
your
questions.
B
L
Well,
you
know
it.
There's
got
to
be
some
connection
to
oklahoma
city.
I
mean
this.
Is
the
oklahoma
city
citizens
advisory
board?
So
you
know
we
feel
that
they
need
to
have
some
some
stake
either
either
live
in
oklahoma
city
have
some
kind
of
stake
in
the
community.
I
mean
you
know
as
far
as
standard.
I
would
think
that
it'd
be
really.
You
know
kind
of
awkward,
maybe
inappropriate
for
somebody
from
tulsa
to
be
down
here.
You
know
the
plane.
H
I
mean
a
person
could
like
provide
evidence
that
they
rent
a
property
but
not
own
real
property.
So
that's
I
mean
you
have
a
lot
of
people
who
just
rent
or
live
in
homes
or
whatever
else.
That
also
means
that
you
could
only
have,
generally
speaking,
on
average
people
of
either
a
certain
wealth
class
level
that
could
do
that
or
people
of
a
certain
age.
Q
Let
me
unmute
yeah.
I
have
two
questions.
First
question
is
how
many
times
has
a
recommendation
from
this
board?
The
advisory
board
been
implemented
in
the
police
department
and
also,
in
this
background
check
what
what
exactly
are
you
looking
for
in
the
background
check?
So
if
someone
had,
you
know
a
do
you
if
you've
had
a
felony
of
any
type,
are
you
not
able
to
what
exactly
is?
Is
the
background
check?
What
what
we
background,
checking.
L
You
know,
as
far
as
the
your
first
question,
how
many,
how
many
times
have
we
implemented
one
of
their
recommendations?
I
don't
know,
I
don't
have
that
information,
they
do
give
recommendations
and
they
ask
questions.
L
I
did
fail
to
point
out
that
there
is
a
non-voting
member
on
the
cab
and
is
typically
a
deputy
chief
that
is
appointed
by
the
chief,
but
basically
we
are
there
to
answer
any
questions
about
policy
and
procedure
that
sort
of
thing,
but
I
don't
have
that
information,
but
that's
something
that
we
could
find
out
as
far
as
how
many
recommendations
have
been
made.
As
far
as
the
background
check
you
know,
I
can't
give
you
a
solid
answer
on
that.
You
know
you
know.
L
R
Thank
you,
chief
barry
mike
a
simple
question,
and
I
don't
know
who
could
answer
this,
but
as
I
look
at
the
description,
I
was
familiar
with
the
cab,
I'm
kind
of
at
a
lawsuit.
So
what
the
heck
are
we
doing
if,
if
that
board
is
in
place,
doing
what
it
is
supposed
to
be
doing?
R
They
seem
to
be
charged
with
looking
at
the
very
things
that
we
are
discussing
and
they
have
been
in
existence
for
a
while
and
yet
seemingly
we're
talking
about
them
as
if
they
don't.
If
they
exist,
they're,
not
performing
the
tasks
or,
if
that's
secret,
then
we
don't
need
them.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
quite
grasp
their
responsibility,
which
seems
to
be
the
exact
same
things
that
have
brought
us
together
as
to
why
and
I'm
slow.
So
you
have
to
help
me.
R
Take
it
slow
and
easy
explain
to
me
why
that
group
is
not
performing
the
task
or
if
they
are
performing
the
task.
It
would
seem
to
me
to
answer
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
we
are
posing
right
now.
So
my
question
is:
if
that
group
is
up
and
it's
running
and
it's
effective
and
I
I
have
been
familiar
with
it
for
a
long
time.
I
haven't
have
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you.
R
R
I'm
making
negative
comments
about
that
performance
being
relayed
to
the
citizens
of
oklahoma,
so
that
we
might
have
some
idea
as
to
what's
really
going
on
with
the
police
department
and
have
if,
if
we
got
that
kind
of
access
that
all
we
need
to
do
is
to
write,
go
online.
Follow
those
reports
it
seemed
to
me.
R
I
would
have
more
folk
talking
to
me
about
what
man
you
know
what
I
got
great
great
great
response
from
my
police
department,
because
I
went
through
the
cab,
so
my
concern
is
help
me
help
me
put
together
why
we
are
on
these
days
for
three
hours.
When
there's
a
group,
that's
meeting
that
seemed
to
me
so
clarify
for
me.
It
seems
to
me
doing
the
same
thing
that
we
have
been
charged
to
do.
M
I
think
that's
a
really
good
question
and
a
good
point
that
that's
really,
I
think,
very
important
to
make,
and
we
probably
you
know
we
probably
should
have
made
this
point
when
we
first
first
started
this-
that
anything
that's
being
done
right
now
with
this
group
should
not
at
all
be
any
seen
as
any
kind
of
reflection,
negative
reflection
on
any
of
the
members
of
our
citizen
advisory
board.
M
When
all
this
started,
the
mayor
sat
down
with
a
group
from
black
lives
matter
and
they
had
conversations
about
the
process
and
some
of
the
policing
issues
and
the
relationship
and
race
relations,
especially
with
the
department
some
of
the
issues
with
use
of
force
and
in
those
conversations
the
request
was
made
that
they,
they
agreed
together,
that
we
would
form
a
task
force
of
a
broad
scope
or
broad
representation
of
the
community.
M
To
take
a
look
at
some
of
these,
the
question
wasn't
about
the
work
that
the
individuals
who
are
on
the
citizen
advisory
board
was
doing.
The
questions
really
became.
Have
we
empowered
that
group
enough
do
we
do
they
need
to
have
more
power
than
what
they
have?
Does
there
need
to
be
more
reporting
out
of
what
you
know,
the
results
that
come
from
that?
M
Take
a
look
at
this
working
with
a
consultant
to
look
at
our
process
and
see
if
there's
something
that
we
need
to
update
in
that.
R
And
I
have
a
follow-up
chief
right
ahead.
Well,
I
I
hear
that,
and
that's
that's
great,
broader
larger
group
looking
at
that's,
that's
fine
and
danny
so
and
I'm
way
down
the
road
now
so
once
once
that
occurs
what
what?
R
Why
then
are?
We
then
going
to
report
to
the
cab
so
that
they
can
report
them
to
the
police
department
or
we
what
we
do,
because
it
seems
like
the
cab
would
be
much
much
more
abreast
of
information,
knowledge
and
cooperation
working
with
the
oklahoma
city
police
department
to
know
you
know
you
got
me
wanting
to
look
at
a
a
consultant
coming
in
that
we're
going
to
pay
big
hunks
of
money
to
and
to
come
up
with
something
that
I'm
not
directly.
R
I'm
a
part
of
this
committee,
but
I'm
not
directly
a
part
of
when
the
cab
is
there
all
the
time
dealing
with
those
issues.
I
want
to
hear
from
them.
That's
what
I
want
to
hear
from
I
want
to.
R
You
know
the
way
they
set
the
group
up,
so
I'm
just
having
a
little
problem
and-
and
I
appreciate
the
explanation
craig,
but
I'm
still
having
a
little
problem
with
understanding
my
need
to
be,
except
for
the
information.
I
love
the
information,
the
chief
girl
and
I'm
talking,
obviously,
chief
barry
and
I've
talked
for
years
and
years
and
years
so
he's
not
that
old,
but
for
years
and
years,
but
we
have
talked
a
long
time,
but
so
I
I'm
questioning,
I'm
and
paco.
R
M
I
think
it's
a
good
point
that
I
mean
one.
This
committee
is
going
to
carry
forward
the
mayor
created
this
task
force.
You
know,
sat
down
with
black
lives
matter,
they
agreed,
we
would
create
the
task
force.
He
went
to
great
efforts
to
make
sure
we
had
broad
representation
there.
The
intent
really
was
never
to
cut
out
the
con
the
citizen
advisory
board.
M
They
continue
in
their
function,
just
as
it
is
right
now,
but
I
think
your
point
of
as
we're
going
through
this
and
doing
this
review
us
as
a
as
a
task
force,
having
interaction
directly
with
that
citizen
advisory
board
to
get
their
input
and
feedback.
I
think,
is
going
to
be
really
valuable
to
the
group.
I
Chief,
very
just
just
real
quick,
if
I
could-
and
we
I
don't
have
to
interrupt
mr
till-
but
to
go
to
kind
of
what
senator
young
was
talking
about.
If
we
could
hear
from
mr
barnes
and
miss
finley
that
are
here,
I
think
they
might
be
able
to
provide
some
context
too.
C
E
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
so
much
so
I
guess
a
couple
couple,
quick
things
and
I
definitely
want
to
make
sure
I
get
to
senator
young's
question
one.
The
background
check
is
kind
of
something
that
I
have
some
further
questions
about,
and
I
think
me
and
paco
can
connect
with
this,
because
when
we
think
about
property
ownership,
the
majority
of
oklahoma
city
doesn't
own
property
right,
and
so
that
is
something
that
might
be
a
barrier
but
also
kind
of
what
are
the
backgrounds
that
we're
looking
for?
E
Is
this
intended
to
have
like
a
layman's
view
of
these
incidents
and
not
have
necessarily
a
legal
background?
Is
there
training
that
these
people
are
receiving
when
they're
on
the
board?
That's
definitely
something
the
folks
who
are
on
that
board
can
speak
to
a
lot
of
why
we
had
the
meeting
in
the
first
place
was
not
necessarily
that
the
citizens
advisory
board
was
ineffective
or
really
anything
negative
about
the
citizens
advisory
board
at
all.
E
It
was
that
the
general
public
doesn't
necessarily
have
a
good
understanding
of
what
that
board
does,
who
all
sits
on
it?
What
abilities
and
capabilities
they
have
and
then
what
powers
they
have?
So
when
we
look
at
our
citizens
advisory
board,
especially
in
terms
of
like
the
legal
subpoena
powers,
is
that
something
that
they
need
to
have
in
order
for
them
to
be
in
order
for
them
to
be
a
little
more
effective
or
to
have
more
teeth
when
we
there
was.
Actually.
E
I
was
looking
at
an
interview
that
was
done
by
chairman
white
for
that
board
and
he
said
that
they've
never
had
a
ruling
against
the
police
and
that
the
police
usually
do
a
really
great
job
with
it.
But
when
you
do
a
breakdown
of
what
happens,
if
they
do
disagree
with
the
police
officers,
then
that
goes
to
the
city
manager.
E
And
then
the
city
manager
speaks
with
the
chief
or
puts
pressure
on
the
chief
to
like
reinvestigate
it,
as,
as
is
my
understanding,
but
then
there's
also
some
issues
with
that
relationship
based
on
the
fop
contract,
on
what
exactly
can
and
can't
happen
in
those
scenarios
and
then
the
arbitration
that
says
that
some
officers,
even
if
they've,
been
removed,
that
arbitration
can
re,
replace
them
into
their
position.
E
When
our
community
stood
up
and
said,
you
know
we're
demanding
accountability,
we're
demanding
transparency,
there
were
a
number
of
things
that
they
were
identifying
that
don't
already
exist
and
though
we
are
not,
you
know.
Obviously,
okay
cpd
is
not
the
officers
that
killed
george
floyd
to
make
sure
that
we
are
above
reproach.
E
We
have
to
be
intentional
and
taking
our
time
finding
out
what
we're
doing
well,
what
we
need
to
be
doing
better
and
establishing
from
a
public
perspective
and
a
public
view
how
we
can
increase
the
the
trust
in
the
okcp
police
department
or
the
okay
yeah,
the
oklahoma
city
police
department.
So
that's
a
couple
of
the
different
things
that
I
have
and
again
those
questions
again.
E
We
can
touch
base
after
offline
paco,
but
around
the
background
check
around
what
perspective
around
what
training
they're
receiving
and
then
around
what
powers
they
have
and
then
also
the
contract.
E
And
maybe
you
can
speak
to
this
city
manager,
freeman
that
says
that
if,
if
they
have
a
disagreement
with
the
police,
that
goes
to
you
what
exact
powers
you
have
in
that
situation
to
either
agree
or
disagree.
If
you
do
agree
with
the
citizens
advisory
board,
what
then
happens
from
there
so
that
that
can
be
something
that
and
also
just
in
general?
What
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
our
public
knows
about
the
citizens
advisory
board,
like
senator
young,
said
to
have
that
information
getting
to
the
public.
C
Okay,
before
we
go
much
further,
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
away
from
senator
young's
questions.
C
Next
in
line
I
show,
is
grace
franklin
and
then
gloria
torres,
but
I'm
gonna
stop
right
now
and
find
out
if
either
of
the
members
of
the
citizens
advisory
board
that
are
with
us
today
would
like
to
make
a
comment
on
anything.
That's
been
said
or
asked
so
far.
Mr
barry,
can
you
hear
me?
F
Okay,
one,
I
want
to
first
tell
you
how
much
I
appreciate
you
all
inviting
me
to
this
forum.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
you
know
exactly
what
our
citizens
advisory
board
does.
I'm
one
of
the
first
members
of
this
I
was
appointed
in
2005..
F
We
went
before
an
interview
process,
mr
garland
pruitt,
reverend
lee
cooper,
mr
roosevelt
melton,
milk
combs,
and
it
was
extensive
interviews
when
we
first
established
the
cab,
and
you
know
we
had
nine
members-
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
was
very
important
to
this
group
and
very
important
to
the
police
department
at
the
time
was
confidentiality
and
we
haven't
had
one
incident,
since
this
group
was
formed,
breaking
that
confidentiality,
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
personnel
issues
with
police
officers,
and
so
we've
got
a
very
good
group
that
we
have
assembled.
F
We've
lost
a
few
along
the
years,
but
we've
replaced
them
with
good
people.
Our
recent
two
members
are
young,
ladies,
that
I
believe
are
going
to
do
a
great
job,
they've
attended.
I
think
this
is
their
third
meeting
with
us
and
as
members
of
the
cab,
what
I
want
to
do
is
first
of
all,
and
I
want
to
answer
senator
young
and
it's
nice
to
see
you
senator
gunn,
by
the
way
his
question,
mr
teals,
why
you
know
why
does
most
citizens,
you
know
not
know
about
the
cad?
F
Well,
we
operate
off
of
a
zero-based
budget.
You
know
we're
volunteers
who
come
in
on
saturday
we're
not
professional
marketing
people.
This
is
something
that
we're
hoping
that
the
city
understands.
F
That,
probably
I
recommend
to
the
city
to
make
sure
that
that
gets
out
to
everyone
in
oklahoma
city
that
we're
available
for
to
receive
their
complaint
and
investigate
it
want
to
answer
miss
franklin's
question
that
she
had
with
regard
to
the
recommendations.
F
Yes,
we
have
we've
made
several
recommendations,
and
this
is
why
I'm
so
proud
of
cap.
We
virtually
when
we
first
started.
We
we're
basically
just
listening
to
a
review
from
internal
affairs
that
says
here's
the
case.
Here's
what
you
know
we
did,
I
that
wasn't
good
enough
for
us.
We
went
through
and
we
said
no,
we
want
to
review
the
file.
F
We
want
to
look
at
the
complete
file
again
when
you're
dealing
with
fop-
and
I
see
mr
george
on
there
and
I'm
just
being
upfront
and
honest
he's-
got
a
job
to
do,
and
I
understand
that
so
there's
back
and
forth.
So
this
is
a
this
is
over
several
years
that
we've
been
able
to
get
little
by
little
what
we
believe
we
need
to
be
able
to
review
these
cases
so
the
second
part
we
got
parts
of
the
fight.
The
second
part
we
ended
up.
F
Finally,
getting
a
complete
file,
then
we
wanted
to
look
at
interview
statements.
Okay,
these
are
things
that
that
weren't
provided
to
us
at
the
very
beginning.
This
is
over
course
of
time
and
working
with
not
only
the
police
department,
the
city
manager,
the
mayor,
the
fop,
to
get
this
done,
then
we
wanted
to
look
at
pictures,
because
if,
if
one
of
the
citizens
said
hey,
he
struck
me
and
then
the
police
officer
says
no.
This
person's.
We
wanted
to
see
pictures
to
see
where
the
marks
were
on
on
the
different
individuals
faces.
F
So
we
were
able
to
do
that.
Then
we
went
to
videos,
and
so
we
were
finally
able
to
look
at
videos
which
has
helped
tremendously.
Then
the
body-worn
cameras
come.
This
was
another
fight,
but
guess
what
we
get
to
look
at
body,
worn
cameras.
This
has
probably
been
the
most
telling
to
be
able
for
us
to
look
at
these
cases
and
be
able
to
make
quick
decisions
and
then
the
to
me.
F
F
Well,
I
think
that
was
very
important
and,
and
chief
city
and
chief
worley
has
been
very
cooperative
on
providing
those
past
offenses.
So
whenever
we
review
a
case
we're
looking
at
that
officer's
past
offenses
and
looking
at
it
if
it's
been
committed
before
or
not
the
other
thing
that
you
know
we're
wanting
to
work
on
that,
we
haven't
got
accomplished
that
we
want
to
look
at
which
I
realize
the
fop
is
going
to
be
indifferent
on
it.
F
But
you
know
whenever
there's
an
interview
of
say,
a
involved,
shooting
police
they
get
to
go
and
wait.
I
think
it's
48
or
72
hours
before
investigators
can
interview
that
police
officer.
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
that,
just
because
it
happened
at
that
scene
and
at
that
time-
and
I
think
you
know
people
tend
to
forget-
or
people
tend
to
not
remember
things
after
that.
F
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
make
sure
that
we
interview
at
that
scene
at
the
time
that
there's
an
officer-involved
shooting
now
that's
something,
that's
indifferent
that
the
fop
doesn't
agree
with,
and
I
understand
that
I
understand
mr
george's
position.
I'm
just
telling
you
from
our
view
as
a
cab
member,
that's
problematic
for
us,
because
we
like
to
look
at
you
know
people's
statements
because.
F
At
the
scene,
but
there's
a
there's
a
period
of
a
waiting
period
before
you
can
interview
an
officer
that
was
involved,
that's
something
I
think
can
be
looked
at
the
other
thing,
that's
very
important
that
we
made
recommendations
too
is
we
can
pull
and
review
files
at
any
time?
So
if
mr
pruitt
decides
say
hey,
I
had
something
from
2018
remember
or
as
a
chairman
of
this,
we
can
go
and
ask
chief
worley
that
we
want
to
look
at
this
fight.
F
When
I
was
chairman,
I
looked
at
five
or
six
different
files
that
were
not
reviewed
that
saturday
that
I
could
go
back
in
there
and
look
at
and
look
at
videos
look
at
pictures,
and
I
did
that
with
chief
scully.
So
these
are
things
that
we
have
done
that
we
have
accomplished
over
the
years,
and
so
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
that
I'm
not
sure.
Really
everybody
understands
what
we
do.
I'm
welcome.
F
You
know
I
welcome
anybody
to
ask
any
questions
and
if
I
haven't
answered
them,
I
I
hope
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
we,
like,
I
said,
volunteer
time
on
saturdays.
We
meet
sometimes
quarterly
we'll
review
anywhere
from
15
to
16
cases,
those
cases
normally
involved.
You
know
officer-involved
shootings,
excessive
force
in
custody,
deaths
and
administrative
investigations.
F
If,
if
there's
an
investigation
that
we
really
feel
like
is
important
with
regard
to,
let's
just
say
that
there's
theft
with
regard
to
police
office-
that's
something
we'd
like
to
look
at
now.
Have
we
made
recommendations
that
we
did
not
agree
with
over
the
years
we
have
and
we've
sent
those
to
the
chief
city.
F
Those
are
things
that,
with
regard
to
again
the
fop
and
the
arbitration
process,
I
I
mean
I
agree
with
mr
till
when
you
talk
to
chiefs
around
the
country
talk
to
chief
corley
chief
city,
they
do
not
want
bad
police
officers
on
the
street.
Also
police
officers
don't
want
another
bad
police
officer
on
the
street,
but
there's
a
process
that
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with,
but
I'm
just
telling
you
from
what
we've
reviewed.
F
That
percentage
is
very
high
that
those
bad
officers
are
going
to
go
right
back
on
the
street.
Our
cab
members
don't
agree
with
that.
These
are
things
that
we
have
submitted
in
writing
that
we
do
not
agree
with
this
officer
being
put
back
on
the
force.
It
wasn't
the
chief
that
did
it
it's
when
it
goes
through
the
arbitration
process
and
they're
right
back
in
there
and
I'm
just
letting
you
know,
that's
just
how
the
system
works.
I
don't
agree
with
it,
but
that's
what
we're
faced
up
against
until
there's
changes
made
on
that
end.
S
Yes,
I
did
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
today
and
I
want
to
say.
Excuse
me
in
the
beginning,
right
now,
one
of
the
perks
from
working
from
home,
my
neighbor
across
the
street,
decided
to
work
on
his
car.
So
you
may
hear
that,
in
the
background
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
regards
to
being
a
new
member.
I
am
also
one
of
the
second
one
of
the
two
new
members
that
are
on
the
board
for
it,
so
I
just
wanted
to
speak
from
that
perspective.
S
I
became
a
member
here
in
2020
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
regards
to
my
experience
so
far,
and
that
type
of
thing
I
wanted
to
say
that
it's
very
positive.
I
wanted
to
say
that
we
do
look
at
trends
and
opportunities
for
improvements
that
we
do
give
inside
of
the
meeting
when
we
see
different
films
and
video
cam,
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
different
suggestions
on
ways
that
things
that
can
be
improved.
S
I
know
that,
as
a
board
member
between
the
board
members,
we
do
have
very
diverse
backgrounds,
so
we
are
able
to
have
different
points
of
view
in
regards
to
discussion
and
things
to
bring
up
that.
Maybe
someone
may
not
have
thought
of,
or
maybe
have
a
skewed
perspective
on
something,
so
we
are
able
to
bring
up
other
angles
to
a
particular
situation
that
may
happen.
So
I
that
is
another
thing
that
we
do.
S
One
thing
that
we
don't
cover
is
that
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
have
trends
and
to
have
ways
that
we
go
and
say
these
are
things
that
maybe
need
to
be
addressed
and
stuff,
but
we
don't
necessarily
address
the
policy
that
may
need
to
take
place
in
order
to
get
things
to
be
in
there
as
part
of
the
training
system.
So
maybe
this
is
where
this
task
force
could,
you
know,
come
into
play.
S
I
know
we
actually
evaluate
things
after
incidents
have
happened,
so
we
can
see
that
if
something
is
being
repeated
or
okay,
this
person
has
been
pulled
over
in
this
type
of
manner
and
I'm
seeing
a
trend
on
this.
You
know
we
bring
that
up
to
them,
but
maybe
there's
some
type
of
policy
that
the
task
force
could
come
up
with
in
terms
of
training
or
you
know
things
to
to
work
on.
S
So
I
didn't
really
have
a
ton
of
comments,
but
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
regards
to
a
new
member
and
and
what
I've
experienced
so
far.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
C
Q
Thank
you.
I
want
to
come
back
back
around
to
my
question
because
I'm
very
familiar
with
what
the
cab
does.
I
actually
think
what
they
do
is
important,
because
they
have
access
to
confidential
information
and
information
that
as
the
public,
we
will
never
see
because
they
deal
with
internal
police
issues.
Q
Q
There
is
no
need
to
recreate
a
wheel,
but
we
may
need
to
change
the
shape
of
it
a
bit.
We
may
need
to
do
some
things,
so
the
cab
can
do
what
they
need
to
do.
The
other
concern
is,
of
course,
we
know
that
they're
going
to
be
issues
with
the
fop,
not
because
they're
a
horrific
entity,
but
because
they
are
trying
to
protect
officers
in
their
in
their
rights
right
as
a
as
a
worker.
Q
They
they
don't
want
to
feel
run
over
or
anything
like
that
or
put
out
on
the
limb,
but
at
the
same
time,
with
every
job
there
has
to
be
accountability
with
every
job.
There
has
to
be
an
arm
that
can
say
hey.
Maybe
you
need
to
sit
down
for
a
while
officer.
While
we
do
some
investigation
and
get
dissed,
there
has
to
be
a
way
for
either
certain
allegations
certain
instances
where
the
cab
has
power
to
to
to
act
in
a
way
that
they
don't
have
now.
Q
F
Mr
barry
and
that's
kind
of
what
I
went
over
we
we
have
made
several
recommendations
over
the
years
of
being
able
to
review
the
file.
The
complete
file
that
was
met
with
regard
to
pictures,
videos,
past
defenses,
body-worn
cameras,
but
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
our
intent
when
we
reform
had
nothing
to
do
with
ever
solving
personnel
issues,
because
we
would
be
there
every
day
if
we
were
there
on
a
panel
to
deal
with
personnel
issues,
and
that
would
be
you
know
problematic.
F
I
I
know
mr
george
with
the
fop
would
have
a
problem
with
that
and
I
think
probably
our
cab
members
would
have
problem
with
that.
You
know
we
weren't
put
in
place
to
solve
the
police
department's
personality
issues.
We
just
were
there
to
to
look
it
over
and
make
recommendations
on
after
the
fact
of
how
they
were
solved.
And,
yes,
we
have
made
recommendations
and
disagreed
with
some
of
those
recommendations
with
regard
to
how
they
handled
those
a
lot
of
times.
We'll
we'll
do
that
in
writing
or
we'll
do
it
verbally
with
the
chief.
F
Sometimes
we'll
have
a
meeting
and
we'll
have
another
meeting
and
call
the
chief
to
come
and
answer
our
questions
of
why
this
was
handled
that
certain
way.
Many
of
the
times
we
find
out
later
that
it
was
handled
in
arbitration
and
and
the
police
officers
were
sent
right
back
on
the
street,
even
though
the
chief
did
not
want
to
put
him
back
on
the
street.
He
recommended
termination,
and
so
these.
J
F
But
that's
the
reason
I'm
saying
I'm
very
proud,
because
this
has
been
a
work
in
progress
over
15
years
to
get
everything
that
we've
got
today
I
mean
from
the
complete
file
to
the
videos:
it's
not
just
an
automatic
when
you
form
a
committee
and-
and
I
you
know-
I've
worked
with
mr
pruitt.
I've
worked
with
mel
combs.
I've
worked
with
roosevelt
milton.
I
worked
with
several
leaders
who
went
back
in
and
and
talk
to
the
police.
Talk
to
the
mayor.
Talk
to
several.
F
Q
I
wanna,
I
do
wanna
say
one
thing.
My
question
about
how
many
times
that
it's
been
implemented
to
the
police
department
is
not
for
the
cab.
It's
for
the
police
department.
That
question
is
towards
them.
I
I
know
I
know
full
well
that
the
cab
makes
recommendations.
Q
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
you
with
you
all
and
what
you
do.
My
question
is
more
so
for
the
police
department,
like
how
many
times
have
you
all
received
recommendation,
either
about
an
instance
or
about
a
complaint
about
the
officer
itself
and
how
many
times
have
they
moved
with
that
recommendation
and
also
just
sidebar?
Q
I
I
think
a
complaint
against
an
officer
from
a
citizen
is
not
necessarily
a
personnel
issue,
but
it
is
going
to
be
an
accountability
and
discipline
issue
and
that
you
know
would
have
to
be
addressed
but
yeah.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
it's
not
towards
the
cab.
It's
really.
I
just
want
to
know
from
the
police
department,
so
I
can
be
clear
and
the
city
manager
how
many
times
you
know
it's
implemented.
L
You
and
miss
franklin,
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
and
research.
I
don't
have
that
answer
for
you
and
I'm
I'm
just
hoping
that
we've
kept
that
that
information.
As
far
as
how
many
recommendations
have
been
made-
and
you
know
how
many
policies
have
been
implemented
based
on
their
recommendation,
but
we'll
try
to
get
that
for
you,
and
this
powerpoint
will
also
be
available
for
the
members
of
this
task
force.
C
E
G
Yes,
my
concern
well,
first,
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation:
now:
we've
got
a
minimum,
a
minimum
with
three
three
different
task
force:
the
governors,
the
mayors,
the
city
citizen,
advisory
board
that
the
citizens
of
the
revised
report
need
to
be
a
part
of
this
committee.
That
would
be
my
recommendation
now.
I
understand
that
when
challenging
I'll
say
say,
for
instance,
they
got
an
issue
they
take
before
the
city
council
to
take
it
for
the
police
department
and
they
don't
get
what
they
want.
G
Citizen
advisor
board
needs
subpoena
power
to
be
able
to
challenge
those
particular
positions,
just
as
they
may
mention
them.
They
go
against
the
recommendation
of
the
police
department
of
the
city.
If
the
city
chief
took
a
different
position
than
the
fop,
they
need
to
have
some
recourse
in
order
to
get
their
issue
addressed
now.
G
We
we
understood
and
knew
that
all
they
had
to
do
was
detect
their
faces
and
they
ended
up
taking
the
recommendation
and
doing
that.
Input
from
citizens
is
mandatory.
When
it's
going
to
fix,
change
and
correct
the
situation.
We
find
ourselves
in
everything
that
we're
doing
right
now.
Everything
that
we're
doing
right
now
is
to
make
a
better
city
a
better
community
and
have
better
working
relationships
and
have
less
people
die
so
fop.
We
understand
they
are
under
contract.
G
Certain
things
still
have
to
be
fixed,
changed
and
corrected
in
order
for
us
to
move
forward.
As
this
committee
and
any
other
committee
changes
has
to
be
made,
they
have
to
be
made.
If
we
number
two,
we
want
to
be
number
12
or
22,
and
the
only
way
you're
going
to
get
that
change
fixed
and
corrected.
G
Is
you
have
to
do
something
different
if
everything
was
working
perfectly
and
fine,
and
then
order
and
decent,
we
wouldn't
even
be
having
this
conversation,
we're
trying
to
get
off
number
two
and
become
22
immediately
and
the
only
way
you're
going
to
do.
That
is
change
the
attitudes
as
well
as
the
behavior,
and
to
change
the
attitude
and
behavior.
We
got
to
get
something
on
papers
for
his
policy
to
hold
people
accountable
for
what's
happening.
G
U
Good
afternoon
I
know
the
hour
is
getting
late,
so
I
won't
carry
out
the
the
meeting,
but
I
do
just
a
couple
of
points
that
I
want
to
make.
I
want
to
applaud
the
work
of
the
community
advisory
board.
I
think
my
big
takeaway
is
that
they
do
a
lot
of
good
work,
but
that
may
not
be
communicated
to
the
the
general
public
and,
as
we
talk
with
our
potential
consultant,
whoever
that
may
be
in
the
interview
process.
U
I've
I've
been
on
a
lot
of
interview
processes
with
the
city
when
you,
when
you're
going
through
the
rfp
process,
I
think
that's
important
to
maybe
understand
how
they
plan
to
how
they
would
plan
to
unpack
how
we
communicate
with
the
general
public
with
our
community
advisory
board,
because
in
15
years
I
think
they've
done
some
really
good
work.
U
But
we
need
to
share
that
story
and
then
the
other
thing
I
would
also
say
as
part
of
that
task
force,
the
gentleman
did
kind
of
share
what
the
process
is
with
the
city,
but
to
mt's
point
earlier
about
the
data.
I
believe
data
collection
and
how
we
look
at
how
we're
collecting
different
data
is
going
to
be
very
important
and
really
would
like
to
know
what
type
of
skill
sets
that
potential
consultant
would
have
in
helping
us
assess
the
data
and
how
we
can
be
better
as
a
city
in
collecting
our
data.
N
Thank
you,
chief
barry,
given
what
ms
franklin
said
about
accountability
and
discipline.
I
wonder
if
the
existence
of
this
task
force
doesn't
give
us,
even
though
we
have
sort
of
a
narrow
scope.
N
I
wonder
if
it
wouldn't
give
us
an
opportunity,
with
the
help
of
people
like
senator
young,
to
to
speak
into
the
possibility
of
legislation
that
might
give
chief
gourley
a
a
more
a
freer
hand,
as
it
has
to
do
with
discipline
and
accountability
within
the
police
department,
because,
as
I
understand
it,
that
would
not
just
be
a
city
issue
if
we're
dealing
with
the
contract,
that
would
also
be
a
state
law
issue.
Am
I
right
about
that?
Senator
young
or
chief
corley.
R
R
I
we
can.
I
can't
propose
legislation
to
interfere
with
that
contract
so,
and
I
assume
that's
what
you're
talking
about
when
you
say
trying
to
help
them
with
personnel
issues.
That's
that's
an
agreement
that,
within
the
scope
of
that
contract
between
those
two
entities-
and
I
I
can't
imagine
a
state
law
because
we
try
to
preach
not
taking
power
away
from
the
cities.
We
want
cities
to
be
empowered
to
do
what
they
need
to
do.
R
I
want
the
oklahoma
city
police
department
to
be
empowered
to
do
what
it's
supposed
to
do,
and
I
don't
want
to
dictate
that
from
23rd
and
lincoln,
and
so
I
I
don't
even
like
bringing
it
up,
because
I
don't
want
us,
I
don't
want
the
legislature
impacting
things
of
that
nature.
Now
there
are
other,
obviously
things
that
we
control
and
things
that
we
ought
to
have
to
say
so,
but
but
those
particular
issues
when
it
comes
to
a
city
making
decisions
what's
best
for
its
and
its
law
enforcement
needs.
R
You
know
that
that's
that's
a
little
bit
outside.
I
won't
that
I
won't
file
state
legislation.
That
could
be
just
me,
but
I
can't
see
us
producing
a
legislation
that
would
that
would
help
chief
gordy.
Let
me
just
say
it
like
that.
I
think
it'd
be
more
of
a
detriment.
N
B
Gloria
to
follow
up
what
josh
joshua
said
in
the
left,
where
it
says
mute
or
unmute,
there's
a
little
arrow
that
points
up
and
if
you
click
that
and
maybe
choosing
the
option
same
as
as
system
will
allow
you
to
use
your
computer
microphone.
E
C
We
tried
gloria,
I'm
sorry
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
move
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda.
C
I
would
really
really
really
like
to
thank
everybody
who
provided
input
today.
I
think
this
has
been
a
very
meaningful
meeting.
I
think
it's
been
a
very
productive
meeting
and
it
gives
us
some
direction
to
go
in
the
future,
which
is
what
I'm
sure
we'll
we
all
wanted
to
see
happen
in
saying
that
we
have
been
trying
to
determine
the
best
way
to
establish
a
meeting
date
for
us
trying
to
consider
everybody's
varying
schedules.
C
M
Nothing
so
we'd
originally
said
in
here.
Our
next
meeting
would
be
october
21st,
but
I
think
we've
gotten
feedback
from
several
of
the
of
the
board
or
the
task
force
members
saying
that
really
it
would
be
better
if
we
knew
and
we
had
a
schedule
going
out.
That's
like
a
regular
monthly
meeting
or
bi-monthly
or
whatever
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
a
schedule
together.
So
we're
going
to
change
that
from
right
now
being
october
21st.
M
If
we
get
in
a
situation
because
of
timing
of
something
with
a
contract
with
a
consultant
or
anything
like
that,
that
we
need
to
call
a
special
meeting
or
have
smaller
meetings,
we
can
deal
with
those
ad
hoc,
but
we
want
to
have
a
regular
task
force
meeting,
that's
scheduled
so
that
you
all
can
put
it
in
your
schedules.
I
think
that'll
be
more
respectful
of
your
schedule
as
a
whole,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
schedule
them
far
enough
out
that
it'll,
let
everyone
participate
and
be
a
part.
M
C
And
the
next
thing
that
I'd
like
to
say
is
that
I
really
appreciate
city
manager,
craig
freeman
and
the
citizen
city
manager,
kenny
soodle
being
with
us
today.
They've,
unfortunately
been
victims
of
the
covet
19
situation,
but
they
are
back
and
look
strong
and
ready
to
go.
So
we've
been
praying
for
you
and
glad
glad
to
have
you
back.
M
Thank
you
emt.
I
wanted
to
say
again
too
one.
I
do
appreciate
everyone's
comments
and
just
really
the
way
you
know
we're
going
to
disagree
as
we
go
through
this
task
force,
but
the
way
everyone
really
seems
everyone
focused
on
solutions
and
we're
committed
to
that.
I
appreciate
the
police
department
chief,
ford's
leadership
that
we're
committed
to
working
with
the
community
and
working
to
see
this
go
to
be
successful
going
forward,
and
I
wanted
to
mention
too
that
that
I
wanted
to
thank
manix
and
monica
for
being
with
us
today
from
the
citizen
advisory
board.
M
We're
going
to
take
all
of
the
suggestions
and
comments
that
were
made.
I
think
the
comments
about
needing
to
be
you
know
us
taking
responsibility
as
a
city
to
make
sure
we're
being
more
open
about
communicating
with
the
public.
There's
a
lot
of
really
good
suggestions
that
have
been
made
today
that
we're
going
to
take
to
heart.
M
I'm
going
to
be
do
everything
I
can
to
be
at
the
next
citizen
advisory
board
and
sit
down
and
talk
with
the
citizen
advisory
board
about
some
of
these
issues,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all
in
the
future.
But
I
really
appreciate
you
all
giving
us
even
more
of
your
time
than
you
already
do
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
today.
C
I
just
got
notified
that
john
george
was
wanting
to
speak
john
go
ahead.
Yes,.
T
Sir,
I
just
want
to
address
two
or
three
things
and
I
won't
keep
us
much
longer
feel
free
for
anybody
to
reach
out
to
me
and
talk
about
these
issues
in
more
in
depth,
but
just
some
things
were
brought
up
over
the
last
couple
meetings
I
jotted
down.
We
talk
about
qualified
immunity.
I
want
people
to
understand.
Qualified
immunity
does
not
keep
us
from
being
sued.
It
keeps
us
from
being
sued
when
we're
working
within
the
scope
of
our
employment
and
our
training.
T
If
we're
outside
that
scope,
we
can
be
sued
individually
and
that's
happened
here,
so
it
does
not
keep
us
from
being
sued
in
totality
it's
just
as
long
as
we're
working
a
scope
in
our
point
of
training,
then
we're
covered
under
that
arbitrations
and
terminations.
I
let's
sit
here
today
and
it
made
it
kind
of
sound
like
that,
we're
overturning
those
left
and
right
and
we
got
all
these
guys
getting
terminated.
I've
been
fop
president
for
eight
and
a
half
years.
T
T
T
What
else
was
there?
Oh,
the
40-hour,
40
48-hour
wait
period
as
far
as
being
interviewed
that
actually
has
changed
several
years
ago.
When
I
was
in
homicide,
we
actually
did
interviews
that
night
immediately
and
we
went
to
some
training.
The
fop
did
the
department
sent
people
to
training
and
they
realized
that
you
actually
recall
things
better
when
you
wait
longer
and
you
get
a
better
interview-
and
I
want
to
make
people
clear
that
actually
the
officers
don't
have
to
give
an
interview
at
all
if
they
don't
want
to
they're
under
a
criminal
investigation.
T
At
that
point
they
have
the
right
as
every
citizen
they
don't
even
have
to
give
an
interview,
but
because
we
do
police
officers-
and
we
want
our
story
out
there-
we
we
voluntarily
give
those
interviews.
We
don't
even
have
to
give
them,
but
we
do
do
that,
and
you
know
the
two
things
that
I've
heard
a
lot
about.
This
study
we're
number
two
and
I
think
it's.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
it's
worded
number
two
and
officer-involved
shootings
in
the
country
per
capita,
and
it's
not
saying
we're
number
two
in
unjustified
shootings.
T
I
think
we
we
may
be
focusing
on
some
of
the
wrong
things
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
perfect
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
but
we
we
may
be
looking
at
the
root
wrong
of
watts.
Being
number
two
may
not
be
necessarily
what
the
police
officers
are
doing
wrong.
It
may
be
some
community
issues.
It
may
be
our
mental
health
laws
here
and
the
funding
we
have
for
mental
health.
T
It
may
be
our
dr,
you
know
the
drug
abuse
here
again,
not
saying
we're
perfect,
not
saying
we
don't
make
mistakes
but
because
we're
number
two
in
this
doesn't
mean
it's
a
police
department
problem.
It
could
be
what
is
causing
us
and
what
are
causing
our
officers
to
be
put
in
those
situations
where
they
have
to
use
deadly
force
and
that's
what
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
all
that
up,
because
I've
been
trying
to
take
all
this
in
the
last
couple
meetings.
T
Fop
is
always
willing
to
talk
to
anybody,
and
anybody
wants
to
talk
more
in
depth
about
that,
I'm
always
willing.
So
that's
really
all
I
had
thank
you.
C
Thank
you
john
appreciate
you
chiming
in
very
good
points.
Okay,
I
don't
have
anything
else.
I
think
at
this
point
it's
time
for
us
to
adjourn.
Thank
you
each
and
every
one
for
for
your
input
today
and
we'll
see
you
at
our
next
meeting.