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A
B
Father
in
heaven
we
seek
blessings
on
the
tasks
before
us.
Let's
bless
our
efforts
with
clear
insight,
our
deliberations
with
wisdom,
our
work
with
clarity
and
accuracy.
In
our
decisions
with
impartiality,
we
gather
to
make
decisions
for
our
community.
May
we
use
only
our
best
skills
and
judgment,
keeping
ourselves
impartial
and
neutral,
as
we
consider
the
merits
of
each
matter
that
is
placed
before
us
and
always
act
in
accordance
with
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
of
Lowell
tomorrow,
as
we
pray.
C
A
Have
a
we
have
special
guests
in
the
house
tonight,
which
is
I'm
pretty
sure,
while
why
everyone's
here
and
that
is
our
pledge
of
allegiance,
is
going
to
be
led
by
we
below
pack
number
38
come
on
up.
Gentlemen,
remember
what
we
rehearsed
introduce
yourselves
into
micro
microphone,
real
quick,
come
on
you're
on
TV
hi.
D
A
F
A
I
Sandy
grimes:
do
you
solemnly
swear
that
I
will
support,
protect
and
defend
the
Constitution
and
government
over
the
United
States
and
the
state
of
Florida
and
the
city
charter
of
the
city
of
old,
smart
Florida,
and
that
I
am
duly
qualified
to
hold
office
under
the
Constitution
of
the
state
and
a
fully
perform
the
duties
of
council
member
of
the
city
of
Oldsmar
Florida
in
accordance
with
the
city
charter,
so
help
me
God.
Congratulations.
A
I
A
Arranged
a
special
meeting
for
you
tonight
all
right.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
citizen's
open
forum.
The
rules
are
you
have
five
minutes.
We
ask
that
you
state
your
name
and
your
address
of
where
you
live,
including
your
city.
We
don't
assume
you
live
in
the
city
of
oldsmar.
We
have
no
public
hearings.
Tonight,
you
can
speak
on
anything
I
stand
corrected.
You
can
speak
on
anything
other
than
item
number
eight.
You
can
hold
your
comments
to
that.
If
you
wish
to
speak
to
it,
so
we
get
it
all
right
with
that.
A
J
K
Good
evening,
Council
I
would
like
to
introduce
myself:
I
am
Kelly
O'brien
I
live
at
343
Tavernier
Drive,
altamar,
Florida
and
I
would
like
to
announce
tonight
that
I
have
signed
up
to
enter
the
race
for
seat
three
I'm
really
excited.
This
is
something
that
I've
thought
about
and
wanted
to
do
for
a
long
time
and
I
just
have
felt
recently
that
the
time
is
now.
Why
not
now
so
I'm
very
excited
the
reason
why
I'm
choosing
to
do
this
at
all
is
sitting
over
there.
Her
name
is
Balan
and
I.
K
A
J
A
L
Hello,
my
name
is
Amanda
135,
East,
Lake,
Club,
Drive
and
I'm,
the
poet
laureate
of
old
smart
and
it's
my
role
within
this
community
to
spread
awareness
and
love
of
poetry
within
the
city.
I
also
provide
prompts
for
our
council
members
to
get
them
to
write
poetry
if
they
so
wish.
The
last
the
last
prompt
I
gave
was
to
celebrate
Oldsmar,
in
which
the
council
members
were
prompted
to
write
a
poem
that
celebrated
the
city.
I
have
some
poems
here.
Does
anyone
else
have
poems
that
I
have
not
received
yet?
F
You
so
the
prompt
celebrate
Oldsmar
reminded
me
of
community
and
boy
did
I
need
my
community
this
week,
I
called
it
Woman's
Club
in
a
little
white
house
on
Exeter,
Street,
Oldsmar,
sisters,
charity
and
love
come
meet,
we
give
and
we
need.
We
gather
as
one
building
each
other
to
withstand
and
overcome
no
longer
lost,
no
longer
alone,
hope
and
courage.
Our
seeds
she's
sown
she
lifts
me
up
from
the
depths
below
upon
my
hearth.
F
Her
calm
bestowed,
I,
take
shelter
and
find
security,
a
surge
of
relief
sparked
by
unity,
her
sympathetic
ear,
the
way
to
a
laugh.
She
skillfully
cuts
my
anxiety
in
half
honest
intention
in
each
interaction,
causing
a
wave
of
endless
compassion.
You'll
help
me
up
and
I'll
help.
You
see
how
incredible
my
community
can
truly
be.
L
L
Restaurants
that
make
your
taste
buds
feel
like
a
butterfly
annual
fireworks
that
the
children
desire
fire
department
and
Sheriff's
Department.
Second
to
none
neighborhoods
full
of
friendly
faces
people
that
come
together
to
help
one
another.
Lifelong
friendships
that
are
priceless
old
smart
is
my
home
and
I
celebrate
every
day.
F
L
L
Member
is
a
month
of
family
food
traditions
and
stories.
So
I
wrote
this
poem
with
these
themes
in
mind.
It's
called
start
of
a
story
from
where
does
a
story
start?
Does
it
begin
with
a
plate
with
tradition?
In
addition,
does
it
continue
in
the
spirit
of
art?
Is
the
story
mixed
inside
the
tub
of
spaghetti
and
meatballs
passed
around
the
autumn
table
before
placemats
are
packed
away?
Does
the
story
float
alongside
the
balloons
on
TV?
Does
the
story
start
with
someone
else
or
with
me?
L
L
L
One
last
thing
that
I
would
just
like
to
say
in
front
of
everyone
is
that,
on
the
first
and
third
Saturday
of
every
month,
I
host
project
poetry,
which
is
an
open
meeting,
anyone
can
join,
and
it's
just
a
great
time
at
the
old,
smart,
Public
Library,
where
we
just
discuss,
poetry,
we
write
poems
and
it's
just
a
fun
time,
so
I
invite
anyone
to
come.
Join
us
for
that.
M
Good
evening,
everyone
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
here
tonight.
It
really
is
an
honor
and
thank
you
to
cindy
cocolo
for
inviting
me
my
name
is
Liz
Jack
I'm,
an
assistant
state
attorney
and
I'm
running
for
Circuit
Judge
in
the
seat.
That's
currently
held
by
Judge
covert,
also
a
former
assistant
state
attorney
and
he
is
retiring.
So
it
will
be
an
open
seat,
I'm
running,
because
I
believe
that
we
need
good
judges
and
I
believe
that
I
will
make
a
good
judge.
I
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
myself.
M
I've
been
prosecuting
11
years,
total
I
took
a
little
break
when
my
kids
were
young
and
I
studied
and
worked
in
psychology
at
USF,
st.
Petersburg,
and
my
main
goal
was
to
bring
intervention
interventions
for
families
with
very
young
children
in
the
child
welfare
system
in
the
court
system,
because
early
brain
development
is
the
key
to
our
future.
M
M
I've
lived
in
Florida
since
1998
21
years
when
I
moved
here
after
law
school
to
work
as
a
federal
law
clerk
in
Tampa,
miss
Gannon
can
relate
and
I've
always
been
driven
by
a
need
to
serve
a
higher
purpose
and
I
feel
very
fortunate
that
my
career
has
allowed
me
to
do
that.
I'll
tell
you
a
little
secret.
I
turned
50
this
year
and
after
working
very
hard,
I
looked
behind
me
and
I
realized.
I
have
some
experience
now
and
I
feel
the
way
I
could
best
serve.
M
The
community
is
working
as
a
judge
in
a
greater
way
than
I've
been
doing,
having
a
more
of
an
impact.
I
currently
practice
in
front
of
about
20
different
judges,
I'm
in
all
of
the
criminal
courtrooms
and
I,
know
firsthand
what
makes
a
good
judge
a
good
judge
works
hard
listens
and
follows
the
law
and
removes
their
personal
biases
from
their
decisions.
I
judge
a
judge's
bias
can
totally
change
the
outcome
of
a
case
and
it
damages
the
integrity
of
the
court
system
for
all
of
us.
M
So
how
do
you
as
voters
decide
what
makes
a
good
judge?
You
can't
ask
me
questions
about
how
I'd
rule
on
an
issue
I'm
not
allowed
to
talk
about
it
and
I.
Don't
really
know
a
good
judge,
wouldn't
know
because
they're
gonna
base
their
decisions
on
the
facts
of
the
particular
case
and
the
laws
that
apply.
M
So
you
have
to
look
at
a
candidate's
proven
track
record
of
listening
working
hard
following
the
law
and
as
a
prosecutor,
I
look
to
the
law
every
single
day
to
make
decisions
about
what
charges
I
can
prove
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
regardless
of
my
personal
desire
for
the
outcome.
I
love
fighting
for
justice,
but
above
that
a
higher
ideal
for
me
is
the
system
and
in
America
we
truly
have
the
best
legal
system
in
the
world,
and
it
requires
judges
to
remove
themselves.
M
The
integrity
of
the
system
requires
following
the
law,
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
what
kind
of
judge
I'd
be
I'll.
Tell
you
about
a
case
I
handled
recently,
it
went
to
trial
in
January
of
2017
and
I
worked
very
hard.
It
was
a
domestic
violence,
murder
and
I
had
worked
on
it
for
over
a
year,
but
in
January
alone
in
a
four-week
period,
I
worked
380
hours
and
we
do
not
get
paid
overtime.
It
was
a
high-profile
case
with
a
high-powered
defense
team
and
a
beloved
victim
who
had
worked
in
law
enforcement.
M
M
It
was
a
very
hard
blow,
but
despite
that
loss,
I
know,
I
gave
the
victim
and
his
memory
the
respect
he
deserved
and
I
fought
hard
for
him
and
I
did
everything
I
could
to
prove
the
case
and
prove
the
facts
as
I
believe
they
truly
occurred
and
separate
from
the
outcome
of
that
case
or
any
case
that
matters
the
system
and
the
integrity
of
the
system
matters.
The
victim's
family
has
become
like
family
to
me.
M
I
went
to
the
victim's
daughter's
wedding
and
they
are
working
on
my
campaign
because
they
believe
I
will
make
a
good
judge.
They
still
believe
in
the
system,
even
though
they
didn't
like
that
outcome.
With
a
good
judge,
you
will
not
always
get
the
result
that
you
want,
but
you
will
be
treated
fairly.
You
will
feel
like
you
were
heard
because
you
were
heard,
and
that
is
what
we
all
deserve
from
our
legal
system
and
that's
the
kind
of
judge
I'll
be
for
our
citizens.
M
One
more
thing:
just
a
quick
aside:
I've
worked
closely
with
the
Pinellas
County
Sheriff's
Office,
getting
their
unlicensed
contracting
unit
off
the
ground.
I
have
a
lot
of
knowledge
in
that
area,
and
if
anyone
is
interested
in
hosting
a
community
event,
neighborhood
group
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that
knowledge
to
help
you
avoid
being
defrauded.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
A
Item
three
consider
economic
development
proposals
for
city-owned
properties
in
the
downtown
area.
The
only
audience
speakers
will
be
are
those
who
are
presenting,
and
so,
if
you
came
here
tonight
to
make
public
comment-
and
you
were
not
one
of
those
speakers-
I
would
give
you
the
opportunity
to
do
that
at
this
time.
A
H
Is
Friday
from
7
to
9
the
second
source
rec
center?
It's
a
free
event
and
a
lot
of
fun.
They
work
so
hard
to
get
a
chance
to
by
see
it
Veterans
Day
celebration,
Monday
November
11
at
11
o'clock
at
Veterans,
Memorial
Park,
and
this
year
the
keynote
speaker
is
retired,
US,
Army,
colonel
Mike,
McAlister
and
sunset
sounds
music
series
is
Friday
November,
15th,
6:30
to
9
o'clock
at
re
olds,
Park,
the
Trop
Rock
junkies.
H
A
Sounds
this
past
weekend
was
terrific
a
lot
of
fun.
All
right.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
additional
new
agenda
items.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
approve
item
number
2
item
number
6
do
I,
have
a
motion
so
moved.
Do
I
have
a
second
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
All
opposed
motion
passes
next
item
on
the
agenda
awards
and
recognitions
presentation,
certificate
of
completion
for
councilmember,
katy
gana.
A
A
Attend
the
institute
for
elected
municipal
officers,
officials,
I,
should
say,
and
so
it's
put
on
by
the
Florida
League
of
Cities,
and
so
it's
a
big
deal
when
one
of
our
council
members
takes
it
upon
themselves.
It's
a
weekend,
long
program,
it's
18
hours
of
training,
it's
very
intense.
It
deals
with
everything
from
your
legal
responsibilities,
which
has
a
lawyer,
I'm
sure.
Yet
that
was
some
new
stuff.
We're.
F
F
Appreciate
the
recognition
and
I
appreciate
council
members
and
Shiraki
encouraging
me
to
attend,
and
also
our
city
attorney,
Tom
Trask
encouraged
me
to
attend.
It
was
fantastic.
It's
like
boot
camp
learning
how
to
be
on
counsel.
I,
really
think
that
everybody
should
be
required
to
attend
and
I
honestly
look
forward
to
going
to
level
two
April
I'm
excited
Thank,
You,
Tauruses,
you're,.
A
At
this
time,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rule
rules
of
the
day
for
the
purpose
of
moving
up
item
number
seven
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
move.
Do
I
have
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
At
this
time,
we'll
move
to
item
7,
which
is
city
of
Oldsmar
presentation
of
100-year
Proclamation
for
the
community
United
Methodist
Church
of
Oldsmar,
a
presenter
will
be
council
member
sakhi.
Thank.
C
You
very
much
mayor
this
is
from
the
office
of
the
mayor
of
Oldsmar
Florida
proclamation
community
United,
Methodist
Church
of
olds
mama,
where
is
in
1918
the
city
of
Oldsmar,
a
new
town
situated
on
the
arm
of
Tampa
Bay
was
founded
by
ransom,
Elie
olds
of
the
re
olds
corporation
of
Lansing
Michigan
and
whereas
mr.
olds
believed
it
was
essential
to
include
a
church
as
part
of
his
new
town
and
asked
Fred
cook.
C
A
prominent
Methodist
layman
of
Detroit
and
Reverend
Reverend
GE
Bennett
of
tarpon
springs
to
organize
the
mission
church
and
whereas
services
were
first
held,
an
unfurnished
bungalow
now
known
as
3
1,
3
Jefferson
Avenue,
as
well
as
the
assembly
hall.
On
the
second
floor
of
the
1919
oldsmar
State
Bank,
building,
where
we
are
sitting
right
now.
Currently,
services
are
located
at
207,
Buckingham,
Avenue,
East
and
whereas,
through
its
various
outreach
ministries,
not
only
does
the
church
reach
out
to
those
in
need
in
Haiti
and
the
Florida
United
Methodist
Church
children's
home.
C
Sunday
and
share
the
great
history
of
this
community
church
and
whereas
community
United,
Methodist
Church
of
all
Tamar's
vision,
is
to
know
Christ
and
to
make
him
known
now.
Therefore,
I
council
member
dancer
a
key
for
Eric
Seidel
mayor
of
the
city
of
Oldsmar
Florida
Dubai.
Here
wish
the
community
United
Methodist
Methodist
Church
of
all
tomorrow,
a
wonderful
birthday
celebration
and
thank
them
for
their
100
years
of
outreach
to
the
community
and
for
being
an
important
part
of
this
great
city,
dated
the
fifth
day
of
November
2019.
O
We
would
like
to
make
an
open
invitation
to
anyone
who
wants
to
come
and
celebrate
with
us
starts
to
ten
o'clock
November
the
17th
we
just
really
enjoy
having
you.
We
also
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
oldsmar.
It
is
a
wonderful
place.
I
actually
live
here.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
here,
and
it
is
just
really
a
fantastic
city,
and
we
appreciate
you.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
this
time,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
return
to
the
rules
of
the
day.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
move?
Do
you
have
a
second
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
opposed
motion
passes
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
Community
Redevelopment
Agency
item
number
three:
consider
economic
development
proposals
for
city-owned
properties
in
the
downtown
area,
and
so
we
are
here
finally
at
last.
Okay,
I,
anticipate
that
this
is
probably
going
to
take
a
couple
hours,
at
least
at
the
very
least,
would
be
my
guess.
A
We're
gonna,
take
our
time
going
through
and
I
want
to
remind
everyone.
First,
what
we're
not
doing
tonight.
Okay,
what
we're
not
doing
tonight
is
actually
awarding
a
development
agreement,
we're
not
awarding
a
purchase
agreement
for
land.
Now.
What
we're
doing
is
we?
The
council
is
going
through
their
process
and
we
are
ranking
who
we
would
like
to
see.
Our
city
manager
and
assistant
city
manager
go
and
work
on
negotiating
an
agreement.
They
feels
acceptable
that
they
can
bring
it
back
to
this
council.
A
So
what
does
it
mean
for
the
presenters
unless
you're
eliminated,
because
I
am
gonna?
Ask
if
anyone
feels
that
we
should
eliminate
a
proposal?
It
is
your
option
if
you're
not
ranked
number
one,
if
you
don't
want
to
continue
to
pursue
it,
that
is
respected.
We
appreciate
you
wanting
to
be
here
this
evening.
Certainly
we
understand
that
we'd
be
disappointed,
but
the
way
that
we
anticipate
is
kind
of
working
is
that
the
city
manager
will
go.
A
Our
anticipation
is
that
that
agreement
would
be
reached
within
90
days
so
that
it
could
be
brought
back
to
us.
However,
we
are
gonna,
ask
him
to
come
back
30
days
to
give
us
an
update.
If
he
comes
back
and
he
says
to
us,
he
doesn't
believe
that
he
could
get
to
an
agreement.
Then
this
council
might
make
the
decision
to
move
on
to
the
next
one.
That
was
ranked
at
that
time.
Okay,
so
the
goal
is
to
keep
it
moving
all
right.
A
So
I'm
gonna
talk
about
the
ranking
process,
and
this
is
after
some
discussion
here
with
the
city
staff
and
some
discussion
with
our
legal
counsel.
So
the
ranking
process
is
going
to
work
like
this
number
one.
The
council
will
hear
from
each
presenter,
starting
with
the
hotel
groups.
First,
two
council
will
end
it
at
that
time
be
able
to
ask
any
remaining
questions
they
may
have
of
the
presenters
three.
The
mayor
will
then
close
the
presenters
comments,
and
then
the
discussion
will
be
just
amongst
the
council
members.
A
A
The
mayor
suggested
that
councils
members
share
their
pros
and
cons
to
try
to
keep
it
simple
six.
The
council
will
then
come
back
and
verbally
rank
them
at
which
time
the
council
member
feels
a
proposal
is
not
what
they
want
in
that
property.
They
can
say
that
they
should.
They
believe
the
proposal
should
be
dropped
from
consideration
and,
of
course,
I
would
suggest
they
statewide.
If
three
council
members
wish
to
have
something
dropped
from
consideration,
it
would
then
be
considered
a
majority
and
it
would
no
longer
be
considered
and
dropped.
A
The
most
favored
would
be
rank
with
the
high
score,
and
this
will
allow
for
weighted
voting
in
case
that
there
is
no
clear
first-place
winner,
for
example,
the
library
property
there's
currently
three
proposals:
Kahn
group,
D,
F,
n,
AR
and
prime.
If
a
council
members
favorite
is
DF
and
they
are,
then
they
would
receive
a
three
their
next
favor
to
two
and
the
least
favorite
of
one
that
turns
out
the
score
is
a
tie
amongst
the
council
members.
A
If
there's
a
tie,
we
would
ask
the
city
manager
to
go
and
work
on
both
proposals
that
have
a
tie
score.
At
the
same
time,
the
same
process
will
then
be
conducted
for
the
City
Hall
property.
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
that
process
as
presented,
do
I
have
emotional.
Do
I
have
a
second
any
discussion
on
sensing,
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
opposed.
A
So
we
each
have
five
minutes
of
the
hotels.
Each
have
five
minutes.
The
prime
group
actually
has
20
minutes
because
they've
not
had
the
opportunity
to
make
a
presentation
yet
and
then
DMA
are,
since
they
are
involved
in
two
separate
properties.
We
are
going
to
allow
them
to
five
minutes
each
and
then
we're
going
to
have
them
present
in
that
order.
So
the
first
up
to
present
is
from
Commonwealth
Felicia.
Are
you
introducing
them?
Are
you
bringing
them
up?
I
saw
you
standing
back
there.
I
thought
I'll
put
you
to
work
like.
A
E
So
I'm
with
Commonwealth
hotels,
we're
out
of
Covington
Kentucky.
We
manage
hotels
all
across
the
country,
a
lot
of
them
hotels
down
here
in
Florida
and
looking
to
do
more,
particularly
after
here
in
the
poetry.
It's
like.
We
really
want
to
be
here
and
think
we
can
bring
a
lot
to
the
table
image.
We
looked
at.
We
looked
at
our
proposals
that
we
put
in
front
of
you
and
we
think
we've
got
a
great
proposal
for
you.
E
We
think
it's
a
right
fit
and
as
we
get
into
more
feasibility
studies
and
analysis
with
the
city
manager's
office,
then
we'll
see
if
we
can
improve
on
that
and
add
more
to
it.
But
we
think
we're.
We've
got
a
good
shot
at
getting
this
where
it's
at
economically
feasible
and
viable,
but
also
it's
in
a
nice
addition
to
the
community
with
a
nice,
upscale,
hotel
and
restaurant.
So.
A
F
C
P
N
P
It
is
the
feasibility
of
having
a
two
hotels,
one
on
the
library.
I
know
that
isn't.
Did
you
take
into
consideration?
I
guess
I
need
ask
you
the
question:
did
you
take
into
consideration
the
feasibility
of
the
economic
feasibility
if
you
are
chosen
to
do
a
hotel
on
the
downtown
property,
another
hotel
on
the
library
property,
with
our
vacancy
rates
and
everything
I
think
I
was
told
that
our
vacancy
rates
run
about
85%
occupancy
rates
run
85%.
So
that's
my
only
question
and
I'm
gonna
have
it
of
all
three.
E
It's
a
good
question:
when
we
looked
at
it,
we
always
anticipate
there
will
be
more
supply
coming
into
an
area.
That's,
unfortunately,
that's
the
nature
of
it.
We're
probably
our
own
worst
enemies
when
it
comes
to
that.
The
occupancy
in
the
city
right
now
is
very
strong.
I
would
anticipate
that
the
hotel
and
the
library
site
would
probably
be
a
select
service
similar
to
what
you
already
have
there.
The
hotel
here
is
going
to
be
more
upscale
it
and
more
boutique
ish
with
the
rooftop
another
restaurant
and
with
all
the
amenities
around
it.
E
E
J
A
Very
good
I
have
a
question
for
him
and
I'm
not
trying
to
negotiate
on
the
spot
kind
of
thing,
but
I
am
curious.
You're,
the
only
one
who
didn't
make
any
changes
to
your
proposal
so
either
you're
very
confident
with
what
you've
submitted
or
you
will
be
difficult
to
negotiate
with
for
our
city
manager.
N
A
E
Were
not
going
to
start
to
negotiate
on
that
until
we
got
further
down
the
road
and
we
see
that
is
you
know
it's
an
important
part
of
it,
but
it's
not
the
key
driver
here
as
we
get
into
the
negotiations
on
that.
Then
that
absolutely
certainly
something
we
take
into
consideration
and
we
would
be
competitive
on
that.
P
E
That
was
I
mean
they
want
to
build
a
garage,
I
mean
they're,
very
good
at
it,
and
they
do
a
lot
of
them
and
they
would
like
to
build
a
hotel.
Okay,
David
do
one
or
the
other,
or
they
would
do
both
there
you're
not
obligated.
If
we
don't
do
the
hotel,
they
would
still
like
to
do
the
garage
okay
and
they
don't
do
the
garage
I'm
still
locked
into
the
hotel
okay.
So
it's
don't
don't
feel
pressured,
don't
feel
any
obligation
either
way
and.
S
P
E
A
You
go
out
there,
alright!
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
and
so
listen,
I.
It's
my
intent
to
allow
as
many
questions
as
everybody
would
like.
Okay,
there's
no
rush.
This
is
a
big
deal
for
us,
wouldn't
get
it
right
and
everyone's
gonna
feel
good
about
it.
All
right.
All
right,
Simonne
group
come
on
down
Ostara
announcer,
so
bill.
Please
introduce
yourselves.
B
F
T
Thank
you
for
inviting
us
back.
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here
waiting
all
day
for
this.
Just
one
quick
thing
before
we
get
started.
I
just
want
to
congratulate
councilmember
sandy
Grimes
and
just
a
quick,
brief
round
background
of
us
I'm
not
going
to
dive
too
too
deep
into
it.
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
us
and
what
we've
done
for
the
city
of
Baltimore.
Five
of
the
hotels
here
have
been
built
by
my
family,
free
by
my
father
and
two
by
my
uncle
and
they're
solid
structures,
all
concrete
block.
T
We
take
pride
in
our
quality.
Well,
we
take
pride
in
our
quality
work,
so
in
my
eyes,
I
see
we
do
have
what
I
see
a
godfather
offer
the
city
we
like
to
land
a
an
arm
to
you
guys
that
we
firmly
believe
will
help
the
city
kickstart.
This
development
off
in
regards
to
the
parking
garage
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
toss
up
looking
in
either
way.
We
can
be
flexible
with
it,
but
we
are
also
willing
to
build
and
pay
for
the
parking
garage
and
leased
faces
back
to
the
city
of
Lowell
smart.
T
It
would
be
ten
percent
over
cost
and
we're
happy
to
show
you
all
the
numbers
we
are
we're
known
for
our
building,
where
quality
of
work
and
whatever
it
costs
us
just
a
10
percent
over
costs
are
willing
to
solve
back
to
you
guys
in
any
shape
or
form
we're
a
legacy
project
here,
I
mean
we're
a
legacy
family.
Here,
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
here,
and
our
quality
of
work
speaks
for
itself.
If
it
didn't
a
lot
of
institutional
institutional
groups,
wouldn't
contact
us
begging
us
to
build
hotels
for
them
daily.
T
During
the
time,
I
talked
to
my
dad
on
the
phone,
he
always
says
he
has
to
go
because
the
new
numbers
calling
them
and
just
to
remind
you
guys,
my
dad
and
I-
are
right
now
building
a
new
hotel
across
the
street
from
the
new
theme
park
being
built
at
Universal
Studios,
our
quality
work
speaks
for
itself.
We
we
really
want
to
be
here.
We
want
to
help
you
guys,
though
we
love
the
city,
and
we
want
to
come
home
in
any
way
shape
reform.
T
We
can
help
you
with
the
garage
I
know,
there's
just
so
many
different
options
to
go
with
what
we're
really
new
work
with
you
guys
and
just
in
regards
to
the
garage
design
of
it
number
of
spaces
whatever.
Maybe
because
this
is
gonna,
be
something
that's
gonna,
be
a
crown
jewel,
the
city
of
old
smart.
So
we
want
your
guys
blessings
as
well
in
the
design,
and
we
want
to
be
there
for
you
guys
and
we
want
we're
gonna,
be
here,
the
same
grocery
stores
you
guys,
and
you
know,
friendly
faces.
U
You
just
want
to
say
one
thing:
real,
quick,
I,
don't
finances
up
when
I
built
the
Express
back
in
2001
I
didn't
realize.
After
a
few
months,
we
opened
up
what
typical
market
this
oldsmar
is.
So
this
discussion
been
over
and
over
the
past
15
years
after
we
did
the
Hampton,
they
helped
garden
ended
and
my
in-laws
did
their
courtyard
and
Marriott
it's
a
very
sense
of
market,
and
you
want
to
keep
the
quality
here.
U
You
don't
want
to
bring
in
competition
a
certain
level.
This
hotel
industry
can
get
real
ugly.
We
want
to
keep
the
community
strong,
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
explaining
this
the
way
I
want
to.
You
have
Hilton
here.
You
have
Marriott
here
and
there's
room
for
a
nice
boutique
hotel,
like
we
discussed
so
many.
U
My
opinion,
because
no
one
knows
the
market
better
than
I
do
I
know
everybody
that
sleeps
here
for
the
last
15
years,
where
this
comes
from.
We
just
want
to
keep
it
to
a
certain
level.
I'm,
just
there's
plenty
of
property
up
and
down
the
road
and
bring
in
lower
brands
could
damage
the
little
trend
here,
an
old
farm,
something
to
consider
having
to
think
about.
T
We
don't
like
getting
surprised
by
anything,
so
I
don't
want
to
promise.
You
know
a
waterfront
rooftop
bar.
We
can
promise
a
rooftop
bar,
but
I
don't
see
water
from
rooftop
bar
because
in
order
to
start
even
seen
the
water,
you
got
a
120
feet
up.
So
you
know
we
were
having
dinner
the
other
night
and
we
talked
about.
It
can't
even
see
the
water
at
seven
eight
stories
high,
depending
on
what
you
guys
are
a
lot
to
get
us
there.
So
I
got
my
drone
right
from
the
location
on
the
corner
of
Washington.
T
Flew
it
up.
80
feet,
we're
shocked
to
see
you
can
see
the
water
so
I
send
myself
how
high
do
I
need
to
go
to
see
the
water
went
up
an
extra
40
feet.
Till
I
saw
a
glimpse
of
it.
So
I
took
the
liberty
of
what
you
know.
What's
the
best
view
and
I
think
it
would
be
the
way
we
designed
it
is,
it
would
face
the
old,
smart
city
center,
okay,.
N
A
J
U
If
you
told
me
I,
shouldn't,
say
this,
because
maybe
pride
way
still
my
idea,
but
if
it
was
up
to
me
I,
would
build
something
like
the
building
caught.
You
did
on
62
Westin
put
the
parking
garage
on
top
on
the
bottom
and
put
the
hotel
on
top,
and
then
you
got
a
nice
beautiful
view
over
the
water.
I
have
some
office
space
that
would
be,
but.
F
T
Q
C
You
counsel,
members
rocky
yes
I'd
like
to
just
say
para-
can
Paul
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
that
you've
done
with
your
presentation
and
everything
you've
done
for
the
city
ever
when
I
first
moved
here
and
I.
Remember
when
you
built
the
Holiday
Inn,
Express
and
I.
Remember
whenever
that
was
just
old,
Mar
was
nothing
back
then
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that
and
I
really
appreciate
going
out
and
taking
these
pictures.
C
P
T
P
So
then,
my
other
question
is:
is
since
the
hotels
that
you
have
built
are
the
you
know
the
the
price
point:
that's
not
the
boutique,
so
the
price
point
would
be
a
little
bit
higher.
I
know:
you've
come
under
a
little
fire
for
not
having
you
know,
experience
in
boutique,
hotels,
I,
don't
particularly
share
that
I
think
everybody
should
have
a
chance.
I
think
that
if
it's
in
the
development
agreement,
what
we
want
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
will
be
that
price
point.
That's
a
bit
higher
I!
P
D
P
U
U
T
So
to
back
this
up
all
of
our
hotels
here
in
old,
smart
that
we
built
in
our
family,
we
purposely
over
construct
them
and
what
that
means
is
all
of
our
buildings
are
made
of
concrete
block.
So
not
a
hurricane,
not
a
stampede
of
rhinos
could
knock
it
down
back
during
the
hurricane,
when
oldsmar
was
asked
to
evacuate
the
Holiday
Express,
we
stayed
open
and
people
hide
evacuate
and
we
took
people
in
and
we
didn't
price
couch,
because
you
know.
U
P
T
We
can
deliver,
there's
companies
out
there
than
we
know
that
do
I
know
I
mentioned
this
a
while,
though
you
hire
them,
they
do
basically
a
history
project
on
the
town
and
they
study
every
little
design
of
how
old
one
was
back
in
the
day
and
they
present
to
us,
and
it
gives
us
the
ideas
for
interior
decor
and
allows
us
to
put
in
action
and.
T
G
A
I
would
imagine
so
I
I
had
a
it's
kind
of
a
follow
up.
Question
I
might
seem
odd,
I,
don't
know
if
you
recall,
but,
and
it
kind
of
lends
itself
to
councilmember
Norrises
question
when
we
were
in
the
workshop
one
of
the
questions
that
I
asked
both
you
and
your
competitor
for
that
particular
spot.
Just
the
hotel
I
asked:
what
will
you
anticipate
the
project
costing
and
your
competitor
said
thirty
million-
and
you
said
eighteen
million
and
so
I
have
to
follow
up
on
that
because
that's
been
a
concern
that
just
kind.
U
J
U
T
U
U
U
A
A
A
T
K
T
U
A
Very
good
night,
gentlemen,
thank
you.
I
will
also
comment
that
these
these
pictures
that
you
brought
up
here,
because
the
mayor,
tired
of
drone
operator
and
I,
bought
March
these
videos
to
our
very
first
work
session
and
I
said
you
know
this
is
six
stories,
but
this
is
nine
stories
with
a
roof
top
and
it
looked
a
lot
like
just
120
I'm
just
saying
so.
We
had
a
little
vote
on
that
and
you
know
how,
when
in
census
consensus
boat
and
went
four
to
one,
the
mayor
went
down
in
flames.
A
All
right,
let's
see,
is
Cohen
Cohen
Realty.
Here
they
are
not
here.
Okay,
so
they're
not
going
to
be
presenting
there.
The
group
that
has
presented
an
offer
and
I
believe
they've
done
it
through
CBRE
for
the
hotel
property
Hotel
proposal
over
at
the
library
property
all
right,
so
we're
moving
on.
That's
all
right,
prawn
group,
you're
up
come
on
up.
W
What
I
am
Larry
Avvo
CEO
of
prime
group
and
elect
and
true
some
of
my
colleagues
that
are
joining
me
today?
Destin
stand
up,
Jim
Dupree
he's
our
director
of
acquisitions
mayor
a
beau
who
directs
architecture,
prime
design
and
Associates
and
Terry
Davis
was
a
project
manager
and
I'm
just
kidding
a
beautiful
job
in
Terre
Verde,
not
too
far
from
here
that
we'll
be
opening
up
on
early
December.
W
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
and
allowing
us
to
join
in
into
this
process
that
you
have
been
going
through
and
I
must
tell
you,
I'm,
really
inspired
in
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we've
been
hearing
not
only
about
the
city
but
about
your
process,
your
commitment
to
the
city's
future,
your
vision
for
the
future,
and
we
really
love
and
embrace
that
possibility
of
redefining
what
the
experience
of
a
guest
or
a
resident
of
the
city
could
have.
So
what
are
some
of
our
project
goals,
as
we
present
this
to
you?
It's
really.
W
W
That
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
the
conversation
these
days
in
planning.
We
are
one
of
those
companies
that
have
been
successful
in
executing
many
of
these
concepts
into
reality,
not
far
from
here.
I'll
share
with
you
a
couple
of
stories
and
I'm
so
excited
about
the
project.
I
want
to
just
talk
about
that.
First,
but
not
far
from
here,
we
do
run
the
hottest
rooftop
bar
in
Sarasota
in
a
project
called
article
vation
Hotel,
which
is
an
art
themed.
Hotel,
I
realize
that
that's
an
important
attraction
point
and
we
think
it
really
brings
people.
W
It
attracts
people
to
spend
here
at
olds
mark
it
allows
people
to
spend
in
the
neighboring
businesses.
I
think
this
is
more
than
just
a
rooftop
bar
and
more
than
just
a
hotel.
It's
a
place
where
people
can
live.
It's
a
place
where
people
can
work.
It's
a
place
where
social
events
can
happen.
It's
a
gathering
place
for
the
city
and
it
should
be
the
most
iconic
project
in
all.
W
You
have
in
front
of
you,
this
city
hall
site,
and
hopefully,
you've
got
an
opportunity
to
see
this
before
with
the
the
package
that
we've
submitted,
but
recently
mayor
handed
out
the
the
updated
presentation,
as
we
keep
thinking
and
sharing
some
additional
thoughts.
Thank
you
very
much
Jim.
So
you
can't
see
on
the
screen.
W
W
That's
right,
I
can't
find
my
way,
so
the
front
is
the
center
of
gravity
for
the
community,
its
Oldsmar
square.
We
believe
that
it's
prime
for
an
amphitheater
or
some
other
improvement
that
could
display
cars.
It
could
have
concerts
that
can
have
gatherings,
and
it
reminds
us
very
much
of
a
project
that
we
have
just
finished
building
and
are
actively
operating,
we're
we're
partners
with
NASCAR
in
Daytona
Beach,
and
we
created
a
center
of
lifestyle
similar
to
this
called
victory
circle.
W
So
the
building
that
you
see
at
the
top
of
the
page,
just
to
the
top
of
old
smart
square
is
the
hotel.
The
hotel
would
be
about
six
stories.
The
seventh
story
would
be
the
rooftop
and
I
know
that
everybody
thinks
naturally
about
water
views
and
all
of
these
wonderful
attributes
and
amenities
that
this
community
has,
but
really
it's
about
the
community.
It's
about.
Looking
at
a
festival,
it's
about
looking
at
a
car
show
it's
about.
W
So
we
have
apartments
on
the
right-hand
side,
two
buildings
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
very
important.
As
we
consider
development
is
not
only
can
we
build
it.
Not
only
is
there
enough
capital
to
do
it,
but
what
is
the
sustainability
of
a
project
such
as
this
long
term?
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
build
communities
and
we
will
that
we
build
spaces
where
people
can
keep
coming
for
10,
20
and
30
years,
and
it
still
be
relevant
and
still
be
an
iconic
project
into
the
future.
W
We
we
incorporated
retail
in
key
areas
of
the
project
that
relate
to
the
park,
relate
to
the
hotel,
invites
the
travelers
in,
but
it
concerns
us
to
do
too
much
perimeter,
retail
and
there's
some
there's
some
signs
of
success
in
the
density
that
we
would
create
in
this
parcel
that
would
far
exceed
the
success
that
is
visible
on
State
Street
and
an
other
secondary
roadways
in
the
city.
So
can
it
be
built?
Yes,
it
can
be
built.
Is
it
really
what
you
want
to
be
seeing
10
and
20
years
from
now?
W
X
N
W
W
I
think
we
threw
a
little
bit
of
a
different
track
when
we
mentioned
City
Hall
and
potentially
relocating
City,
Hall
and
I
realize
that
that
can
be
a
very
personal
decision
for
a
city,
but
we
just
thought
it
was
so
perfect
because
your
building
can
be
in
that
Center
iconic
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
is
missing
in
an
old,
smart
you've
invested
so
much
money
in
some
iconic
areas.
Already
you
have
a
lot
of
attractions
and
I
think
that
the
future
for
city
halls
is
to
be
the
most
accessible.
W
It
can
be
the
most
the
the
most
reachable
by
a
resident
and
the
more
relatable
my
personal
opinion,
everybody
I'm
sure
in
planning
can
have
their
own
opinions,
but
we
think
by
putting
City
at
City
Hall
in
the
center
of
this
park
near
its
residents
near
the
guests
of
the
city.
Would
be
very
dynamic,
the
City
Hall
relocation
is
not
a
requirement
of
our
proposal.
W
It
was
simply
a
great
idea
that
we
thought
would
really
improve
the
overall
participation
of
City
Hall
within
this
project
and
penetration
into
the
city,
and
if
it
was
elected,
we
would
of
course
build
the
the
City
Hall
building
first
assist
in
the
relocation
thereafter,
demolition
of
the
old
city
hall
and
the
second
parking
deck.
We
would
contemplate
building
all
of
those
at
our
cost,
and
then
we've
asked
for
some
TIF
program
to
be
developed
where
there
would
be
a
reimbursement
of
development
costs
and
50%
of
the
parking
through
TIF
dollars.
W
So
one
of
the
things
to
consider
from
an
apartment
development
site
is
that
there
is
a
sweet
spot
size
that
needs
to
be
present
in
order
for
this
to
be
a
valuable,
long-term,
sustainable
apartment
project,
and
we
felt
that
the
library
site
offered
that
opportunity
to
incorporate
the
residential.
If
it's
too
small,
you
really
just
can't
staff
it
professionally.
You
can't
provide
the
service.
You
can't
provide
the
supports
to
the
apartment
residence
and
that
sweet
spot
usually
is
around
250
apartments.
W
It
could
drop
to
200
and
it's
usually
referred
to
as
an
institutionally
sized
project
of
apartments.
So,
even
though
this
parcel
is
separate
from
the
library
parcel,
we
thought
it
would
create
enough
efficiencies
for
us
us
to
deliver
a
great
apartment,
project,
great
apartment
amenities
and
be
able
to
centralize
leafing
leasing
efforts
while
having
sufficient
scale
to
truly
deliver
all
of
the
services
to
deliver
all
of
the
staffing
that's
required
for
the
best
offer
of
service,
and
now
I
want
to
show
you
a
little
bit
of
V.
W
If
I
can
get
this
to
click,
I
should
probably
be
performing
somewhere
else.
There
we
go.
So
this
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
scale
of
each
of
the
buildings
and
size
certainly
not
considered
a
final
design,
but
just
an
idea
to
get
you
what
the
space
would
be
like
to
the
right.
You
would
see
the
apartments
you
see
the
predominant
building
of
the
hotel
that
is
connected
to
the
old
smart
square,
and
then
you
would
have,
of
course,
the
retail
and
potentially
city
hall.
That
is
also
in
the
perimeter
of
the
park.
W
Click,
this
is
the
library
site
that
we're
showing
you
now
and,
of
course,
we
had
to
consider
all
of
the
density
and
height
restrictions
and
all
of
the
things
that
are
truly
possible.
I
think
that
most
of
our
designs
and
I
can
let
meilleur
speak
to
that
are
generally
conforming
with
the
existing
zoning
and
land
development
regulations.
W
So
this
this
is
the
hotel
that
we're
building
in
Terra
Verde
right
now
that
will
be
opening
in
December,
and
it
would
be
a
pleasure
to
invite
you
to
visit
it
in
the
near
term.
Certainly
after
December,
you
can
get
a
better
experience
now,
we'll
walk
you
through
our
construction
site,
that's
nearly
complete
in
this
particular
case.
We
think
it
really
talks
about
the
Florida
architecture
that
we
would
propose
for
this
location,
and
we
think
that
that
rooftop
bar
that
we've
already
developed
the
is
pretty
indicative
of
our
intent.
So
you
could
walk
through
it.
W
You
could
experience
it.
You
could
see
how
we
activate
that
space.
It's
not
just
about
building
them,
it's
about
how
we're
gonna
operate
it.
So
we
can
talk
a
lot
about
the
quality
of
construction.
We
can
talk
about
the
capital
and
finance,
but
ultimately
your
guests
and
yourselves
are
going
to
experience
our
level
of
service.
You
should
really
check
out
what
our
guests
are
saying
about
us.
W
If
you
go
to
TripAdvisor,
if
you
go
to
many
of
the
social
media
sites
about
our
various
hotels
or
apartments
or
other
projects,
you
would
find
that
we're
ranked
in
the
top
five,
if
not
number
one
in
the
majority
of
our
markets
and
that's
really
important,
because
we're
here
to
elevate
the
offerings
in
this
city,
we
would
offer
something
unique,
different,
very
special
and
by
far
the
best
in
class,
it's
an
upper
upscale
soft
brand.
That
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
that
means:
boutique
hotel
yeah.
W
So
if
you
would
take
interest
in
visiting
some
of
those
sites,
I'd
love
to
walk
you
through
some
of
the
apartments
meet
some
of
our
leasing
agents
and
talk
to
some
of
our
residents
to
see
what
great
care
we
take
of
them
and
then
comes
their
retail
office
and
potentially
City
Hall.
This
is
this
is
an
idea
of
what
the
building
direction
could
be.
First
floor
would
be
retail
second
and
third
floor
with,
of
course,
be
office.
Our
proposal
includes
us
building
the
cold
dark
shell
standard
inside
of
the
office
component.
W
Where
then,
you
would
decide
what
the
interior
build
that
would
be,
and
you
would
carry
that
out.
We
are
open
and
answer
some
questions
to
instead
of
a
lease
arrangement,
it
could
be
a
condominium,
it
could
be
a
for
sale.
There
are
many
things
that
we
could
explore,
depending
on
your
appetite
to
relocate,
City,
Hall.
W
Select
and
then,
of
course,
the
library
site
buildings.
This
is
a
three-story,
walk-up,
garden
style,
apartment
building
and
a
beautiful
Clubhouse
facility
that
would
house
many
of
the
amenities,
of
course,
pool
and
other
recreational
areas,
usually
a
media
center.
We
have
a
fully
functioning
kitchen
that
would
serve
various
events,
barbecue
areas
and
a
number
of
other,
very
modern
apartment
amenities.
W
Let
me
share
some
of
our
accomplishment
and
some
other
communities
that
we
have
built
that
are
somewhat
similar
but
distinctly
different
at
the
same
time
because
they
serve
the
communities
that
they're
in
and
our
job
is
to
identify
what
the
community
wants,
what
the
paying
gas
wants
and
how
to
best
take
care
of
the
guests
of
this
city
in
this
particular
first
slide:
we're
showing
a
a
PUD
that
we
developed.
This
is
in
the
city
of
Homestead,
where
we've
built
Dow
homes.
W
There
were
for
sale
homes.
We
also
have
rentals.
We
have
three
hotels,
they're,
a
Hampton
Inn
and
Suites,
a
Marriott
Courtyard,
a
town
lights
by
Marriott
townhomes
in
the
rear,
a
medical
office
building
and
then
multiple
out
parcels
in
the
front
that
they
include
out
parcel
for
a
been
Wendy's,
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
developing
an
Outback
Steakhouse.
So
we
have
some
great
relationships
with
retailers
who
we've
reached
out
to
and
are
very
interested
in
coming
to
this
city.
W
That's
part
of
our
project,
and
this
is
a
joint
venture
that
we're
doing
with
NASCAR
directly
across
the
street,
from
the
Speedway
in
Daytona
Beach,
very
exciting
project.
This
is
what
I
was
mentioning,
has
approximately
three
hundred
thousand
square
feet
of
retail?
It
is
all
built
at
this
time.
Both
hotels
are
open.
We
built
a
Fairfield,
Inn
and
Suites.
We
built
this
fantastic
boutique.
W
Autograph
hotel
called
the
Daytona
that
we
just
opened
about
six
months
ago
and
then
we're
delivering
our
first
apartments
I
believe
next
week
of
the
282
apartments
and
there
they
should
all
continue
to
be
delivered
building
by
building
every
two
weeks
until
until
we
get
to
the
114
unit,
building,
which
is
the
mid
rise
building
that'll,
probably
take
a
little
longer
than
a
two-week
span
to
deliver,
but
all
under
construction
and
soon
to
be
finished,
and
that
leads
me
to
any
questions
that
you
may
have
about.
My
presentation
very.
W
That's
easy
because
we
don't
sell
any
we're
long-term
investors.
We
are
vertically
integrated
with
development
construction.
We
are
our
own
general
contractor
and
we
operate
most
of
these
asset
classes.
Our
retail
apartments
hotels,
are
all
within
a
level
of
competency,
but
this
is
our
our
family.
We're
a
family
owned
company
and
our
strategy
is
long-term
hold
for
an
undefined
period
of
time.
J
F
F
It
gives
me
pause
because
I'm
not
knowledgeable
in
this
industry
as
you
and
your
colleagues
are,
and
it
makes
me
wonder
if
you
could
explain
to
me
a
little
bit
more-
why
the
apartments
as
opposed
to
this
sort
of
garage,
wrapped
in
retail
or
retail
above
in
a
retail
below
condos
or
any
other
sort
of
arrangement
or
retail
arrangement,
as
opposed
to
the
apartments.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
the
economic
viability?
In
your
view?
I
understand
this
completely.
W
W
Is
everything
it
does?
It
does
and
we're
we're
very
particular,
particularly
because
we're
long-term
owners
and
operators
of
our
product
lines
but
they'd
be
successful
long-term.
So
our
first
job
is
not
necessarily
come
here
and
teach
anyone
anything
about
this
market
is
to
identify
the
opportunities
and
the
needs
of
the
market
and
after
we
did
a
lot
of
research
into
what
is
being
absorbed
in
this
marketplace
and
what
prices
are
things
being
leased
buildings
being
leased
for
businesses?
What
can
those
businesses
afford?
W
We
didn't
think
it
would
be
justifiable
to
increase
the
cost
so
much
so
as
to
have
vertical
integration
of
uses
other
than
the
retail
in
office.
So
when
you
start
adding
liners
to
a
parking
structure-
and
you
start
a
line
or
a
rap,
yes,
we
could
be
retail,
it
could
be
apartments.
We
do
do
that,
we're
doing
that
in
downtown
Fort
Lauderdale
right
now.
The
difference
is
that
that's
a
market,
that's
at
two
dollars
and
50
cents,
a
square
foot
for
the
apartments
and
this
market
is
in
the
low
to
mid
$1
mm-hm.
W
And
so
you
have
to
be
realistic
because
we
need
to
invest
our
money
in
a
direction
that
is
going
to
best
benefit
the
residents
of
this
community
and
have
a
beautiful
project.
That's
not
just
a
dream.
It's
a
reality
that
people
can
visit
and
be
excited
to
see
every
day,
not
just
the
year
of
opening.
Maybe
you
could
get
some
tenants
to
pay
those
very
high
prices
that
are
necessary
in
order
to
to
be
commensurate
with
the
cost
of
construction,
but
is
it
gonna
be
sustainable
in
your
five
or
ten?
W
The
answer
for
us
is
no
the
way
we've
measured
the
absorption
this
market,
it's
truly
not
justifiable.
So
what
we
did
is
we
created
efficiencies
by
mixing
the
various
asset
classes
together
and
creating
a
true
live
work
and
play
environment,
a
place
that
could
attract
residents
and
guests
of
the
city
and
even
better
would
be
to
join
government
into
the
whole
mix,
and
that's
why
we
think
City
Hall,
relocating
and
and
being
being
a
part
of
this
square
being
a
part
of
this
park.
The
activation
of
this
city
is
absolutely
central
to
this
project.
W
J
F
F
W
W
To
give
you
the
opportunity
to
think
about
it
and
and
I
realize
just
saying
those
words
can
cause
some
pause
and
say:
are
you?
Are
you
messing
with
our
City
Hall?
No
we're
not
messing
with
your
City
Hall.
We
wouldn't
dream
to
touch
it
if
you
didn't
want
to
touch,
but
you
potentially
could
have
some
pretty
big
expenses
coming
down
the
line.
Is
it
ten
years
from
now?
Is
it
fifteen
years
from
now-
and
you
are
thinking
about
your
future-
this
is
an
iconic
project
for
the
city.
It's
centrally
located.
W
It's
currently
where
your
City
Hall
is.
This
is
a
unique
opportunity
to
incorporate
into
something
larger
and
the
current
trends
of
hotels
and
apartments
is
to
incorporate
these
various
users,
these
various
uses
and
get
them
all
to
blend
together.
Just
dream
of
the
moment
where
you
could
walk
downstairs
and
have
a
coffee
with
a
resident
of
Oldsmar.
You
don't
have
to
go
that
far.
It's
all
within
walking
distance.
W
You
have
a
festival,
you're
planning
literally
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
which
I
would
envision
close
for
the
festival,
and
you
would
be
walking
to
the
steak
house
for
dinner
afterwards.
That
would
be
on
the
bottom
of
our
hotel
and
then
some
of
your
staff
members
could
just
walk
through
the
park
to
get
to
their
apartment.
So
this
activates
the
downtown
this
iconic
project
24
hours
a
day,
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
cities
have
learned
over
the
years.
W
You
know
big
cities
and
small,
if
you
don't
bring
residents
to
the
downtown-
and
this
is
a
microcosm
over
downtown,
so
it
has
all
of
the
attributes,
and
we
have
to
consider
that
if
you
don't
bring
some
of
the
retail
uses
that
are
sustainable
and
usable
by
the
guests
and
residents,
it
will
not
necessarily
thrive.
It
will
just
be
another
hotel.
It
would
just
be
another
apartment
community.
That's
not
what
we're
here
to
do.
We're
proposing
a
lifestyle
solution,
a
lifestyle
center
for
this
city,
something
that
it
much
needs
and
it
doesn't
get
have.
F
W
N
U
X
W
It
would
this
is.
This
is
necessary
in
order
to
fund
many
of
the
public
improvements
that
the
city
is
may
or
may
not
be
in
a
position.
So
we're
not
we're
not
asking
you
to
use
your
current
funds.
We're
asking
you
to
commit
future
payments
that
we're
gonna
make
to
the
city
and
use
some
of
those
new
values.
New
real
estate
taxes,
new
funds
that
are
available
in
order
to
reimburse
us
for
accelerating
the
public
improvements
that
the
city
would
decide
to
incorporate
into
its
development
perspectives.
C
W
J
Q
You
my
rabbim,
the
architect
on
the
project
very
excited
to
be
here.
I
actually
am
ecstatic
to
be
here
after
hearing
everything
tonight
and
the
various
community
members
speaking
in
terms
of
the
signs
just
to
piggyback
on
what
you're
saying
Larry
the
parking
garages,
we
actually
studied
initially
an
option
to
have
a
multi
deck
parking
garage
four
to
five
stories.
We
felt
that
was
way
too
massive.
We
looked
at
liners.
We
didn't
feel
that
it
was
appropriate
as
it
really
created
a
lot
of
inefficiencies
in
the
building.
Q
So
in
terms
of
the
apartments
we
really
wanted
to
wrap
the
corner
to
find
the
street,
and
the
most
important
aspect
to
us
about
this
project
is
really
the
Civic
Center
that
we're
creating.
That
is
the
heart
of
the
project
that
is
really
defined
by
the
hotel,
the
apartments
and
the
office
retail
with
potentially
City
Hall.
Moving
to
it
like
Larry
mentioned,
it's,
not
a
must
the
floor
plan
and
the
site
plan
work
without
that
happening,
and
the
proximity
of
uses
can
work
either
way.
Q
P
P
Thought
not
as
good
as
hers,
but
she
answered
a
lot
of
my
questions,
but
the
one
thing
that
I
I
appreciate
that
you
do
everything
I
do
like
that
and
that
it's
a
plan
that
is
very
well
thought
out.
Research.
Do
you
know
what
you're
doing,
obviously,
with
the
projects
that
you
have
done,
but,
like
councilmember
Gannon,
said
it's
so
far
off
of
what
our
vision
was,
but
then
again
we're
council
people
from
five
different
backgrounds:
we're
not
builders.
P
My
biggest
concern
is
that
it's
a
package
deal
that
it's
three
million
dollars
for
this
property
to
purchase
this
the
downtown
property,
but
it's
only
a
half
a
million
dollars
to
purchase
the
library
site
when
we
paid
1.7
million
for
approximately,
and
it
appraises
for
Hox
million
five
million
so
for
$500,000
and
then
to
put
an
apartment
complex
on
the
entire
seven
acres.
That's
that's
my
main
concern
with
this
proposal.
P
A
P
My
question
is,
is
and
I
think
that
it's
answered
in
this
is
it's
a
package
deal.
If
we
don't
want
to
do
the
whole
deal
with
you,
then
it's
done
right,
cuz
is
is,
would
it
be
separate,
would
you
consider
the
downtown
without
and
I
think
you
even
answered
the
question,
because
you
said
that's
250
units
or
needed
to
make
it
work
for
you.
So
if
we
didn't
want
to
do
the
apartments
on
the
library
site,
would
that
take
you
out
of
the?
W
Would
we
would
want
to
be
in
the
city
and
we
would
like
to
participate
with
you
in
in
realizing
the
dream
of
the
city
that
is,
that
are
sustainable
the
apartments
by
the
way,
even
though
I
said
about
250
to
sweet
spot,
we
really
can
only
get
about
222.
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
total
between
the
two
and
that's
really
important,
because
to
answer
your
question.
P
W
We'd
have
to
take
all
of
the
residential
components
out.
I
think
you
were
doing.
You
would
be
doing
the
project
a
disservice,
because
I
think
what's
really
fantastic
about.
What
you're
planning
here
is
that
it
can
truly
be
a
representation
of
a
live
work
and
play
environment
I.
Could
we
could
we
consider
doing
just
a
hotel?
Yes,
we
could
consider
that.
P
W
With
the
park
etc,
it
would
really
throw
the
economics
off,
because
the
scale
of
the
project
allows
us
to
do
much
more
interesting
things
like
what
we've
started
to
offer
within
our
site
plan.
That
is
just
the
first
version.
We've
said
entity.
I
must
say
it's
not
the
first
draft.
We
have
probably
10
drafts
in
our
office.
It's
the
best,
most
immediate
idea
that
we
can
supply
to
you
of
many
to
come.
So
we
have
to
find
ways
to
enhance
this
and
make
a
most
attractive.
W
What's
really
cool
about
our
company
is
that
we're
exposed
to
a
tremendous
amount
of
day
of
what
guests
want
of
each
of
these
ass
appliances?
So
we
get
a
lot
of
information
from
our
apartment
communities
from
our
franchise
awards,
such
as
the
Marriott's
and
the
Hilton's
and
etc,
and
we
get
to
understand
what
people
are
really
saying.
They
don't
necessarily
come
up
to
you
and
tell
you
they
do
it
all
service.
W
They
do
it
on
on
a
number
of
different
ways
that
get
filtered
down
into
relatable
information
that
we
can
incorporate
into
best
future
projects,
and
this
is
what
we're
offering
you
through
this
proposal.
We
we
think
that
that
the
relationship
of
these
uses
is
going
to
make
it
a
totally
different
project.
You
can
have
a
beautiful
standalone
hotel,
no
question
about
it.
Would
it
be
as
impactful
as
a
downtown
iconic
project
I,
don't
think
so?
I,
don't
think
you
would
have
all
of
the
attractions
I,
don't
think
you
would
have
a
24-hour
living
I.
W
P
W
A
A
G
W
Think
that
that
that
is
our
opportunity
to
to
be
the
heart
that
runs
that
that
pumps-
the
blood
through
this
this
activation,
that
is
much
needed.
If
we're
not
a
part
of
that,
I
think
that
we
wouldn't
have
the
opportunity
to
create
this
impact
that
we're
looking
to
create
through
this
project.
You've.
A
W
A
W
G
W
It
yeah
look
you
you
were
talking
about,
you
were
talking
about
museums
of
cars
and
I.
Think
I
think
you
really
need
an
activation
of
the
space.
You
know
the
museum
concept
is
a
different
concept
today
than
it
was
10
years
or
20
years
ago.
If
you
visit
our
hotel
or
ovation
in
Sarasota,
it's
a
museum
within
a
hotel.
We
invite
artists
every
three
months
to
display
their
art
and
we
we
expose
the
local
art
to
all
of
the
travelers
into
Sarasota.
We
speak
the
language
of
the
city.
W
That
city
is
very
proud
of
the
per
capita
spending
it
has
on
fine
arts,
so
we
represent
them
in
that
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
represent
the
history
of
old
Smarr
within
this
project,
but
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
engage
people.
It's
not
just
visiting
a
museum
anymore.
It's
having
coffee
and
having
a
sandwich.
G
W
I
understand,
but
about
attracting
people
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
food
and
beverage
and
music
and
all
of
those
things
so
think
outside
the
box
on
you
have
fountains,
okay,
but
think
about
outside
the
box.
The
amphitheater
doesn't
have
to
be
just
another
amphitheater.
It
has
to
find
a
way
to
activate
the
space.
Those
funds
can
be
be
spent
very
wisely.
We
can
share
some
ideas
with
you
about
that
very
good.
F
W
A
F
A
W
Think
it
would
have
a
lot
of
the
same
components,
particularly
as
to
the
hotel
I
think
that
the
park
or
square
is
an
important
component.
We
would
much
rather
do
more
than
a
hotel
sure
to
create
that
sense
of
space
and
city
center,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
apartments
with
the
reduction
of
the
library
side
by
I
think
it's
about
a
hundred
and
four
great
apartments
that
go
into
the
into
the
library
site
would
render
the
remaining
number
apartments
feasible.
W
W
We
built
a
new,
spectacular,
City
Hall,
but
I
did
present
to
you
the
option,
both
in
answering
the
questions
that
were
presented,
I,
think
on
Friday
and
an
earlier
in
this
presentation
where
I
said
we,
we
would
be
happy
to
do
that,
of
course.
But
if
you
didn't
find
that
to
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
then
we
certainly
could
speak
about
creating
a
condominium
so
that
you
could
own
your
space
or
other
options
which
could
include
owning
the
building
there.
There
are
numerous
possibilities
I
just
wanted
to.
W
W
C
W
We
asked,
and
actually
we
answered
the
question
that
was
asked
on
this
very
topic
and
we
would
like
for
the
city
to
maintain
the
park,
because
we
think
that
it
will
be
for
the
city's
primary
benefit.
We
would
develop
it
and
we
would
then
have
to
talk
about
whether
it's
there
easements
or
it's
through
beating
back
a
portion
of
the
project
or
something
along
those
lines.
But
we
don't
pretend
necessarily
to
own
it
long
term
and
not
maintain
it.
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
lot
to
be
discussed.
A
A
S
It's
cause
I'm
managing
principal
of
DF
Mar
at
sixty
nine
twelve
waistline
bo
avenue,
suite
102
to
area
three
three
six,
two
five.
Mr.
mayor,
City,
Council
members,
city
manager,
three
attorney
will
be
presenting
the
revisions
of
our
original
proposals,
some
additional
initial
information
that
we
provided
all
of
the
additional
information
that
we
probably
was
the
full
team
behind
the
project
and
most
of
the
team
is
here
present
the
restaurant
Megatron
previous
commitments.
I
would
like
to
just
a
very
briefly
mr.
S
S
They
keep
doing
work
for
the
city
and
for
us
and
we
really
enjoyed
that
relationship.
But
we
keep
we're
going
to
keep
it
in
our
team
and
roll
void.
Vice
president
of
cocoa
lockers
contracting
contracting
manager
partner
in
this
endeavor
and
our
consultant
to
the
whole
process
for
pricing,
construction
methodology
etc,
and
we
have
two
members
that
were
here
would
not
be
able
to
hear
some
Wellings
wake.
Submission
associates,
there's
been
bought
by
Nelson,
like
link
so
Knox
Nelson
way
you
could
miss
me.
S
We
were
working
with
them
for
17
years
now
and
they
have
a
specialty
garage
group
that
we
have
participate
in
some
design-build
base
and
we
have
been
successful
because
of
their
pretty
much
the
aesthetics
and
the
cost-effectiveness
of
their
approach
to
a
parking
garage.
So
those
that
is
what
we
bring
into
these
projects.
Just
so
that's
great
to
include
in
our
presentation
now
quick
summary
of
the
project,
and
then
we
go
into
the
details
of
all
our
changes.
Do
you
have
in
the
presentation?
S
Discussing
the
processing,
whatever
will
be
beneficial,
for
both
parties
are
still
the
same.
We
have
a
Central
Park.
The
Central
Park
is
powerful.
The
pedestrian
communication
in
between
all
the
difference,
explorations
areas
of
places
to
discover
it
through
all
the
experiences
of
the
foot
traffic
going
through
a
park
enjoying
a
live
Park
and,
at
the
same
time,
connected
to
the
potential
monument
for
the
city,
all
all
smart.
So
everything
will
be
paralleling
to
thing.
S
They
will
be
powered
the
city
still
with
the
same
approach
of
40:16,
trying
to
do
this
35%
of
open
area
65%
of
buildable
area
to
have
that
amenity
that
also
had
about
parks
and
open
spaces,
and
now
the
buildings
we
still
remain.
The
same
concept
will
have
on
Tampa
Road.
You
know
pretty
much
a
belt
of
four
beautiful
buildings,
so
random.
You
know
to
be
in
the
face
of
all
smart
on
Tampa
Road,
and
we
have
the
parking
garage
right
by
the
apartments
to
have
all
that
sense
of
community
in
participating.
S
Does
the
concept
remains
and
we
have
in
knowing
the
location
of
the
buildings
to
access
that
into
the
center
of
the
park
that
can
be
at
the
fountain
feature
it
can
be
replicated,
according
with
the
discoveries
that
we
work
out
in
the
city,
but
that
to
access
point
to
the
two
stop
signs.
So
it's
safe
for
people
to
appreciate
what's
happening
in
the
park
and
not
people
were
driving
get
distracted
to
it.
So
they
will
really
be
some
kind
of
a
sign
to
be
a
destination
want
to
be
to
people
to
fulfill.
S
The
curiosity
about
what's
going
on
in
know,
smart,
but
that
would
be
the
sign
that
will
represent
Osmar
the
iconic
buildings
surrounding
the
park
and,
of
course,
the
same
concept
of
having
access
to
the
parking
garage
from
State
Street.
So
the
street,
in
between
the
parking
garage
and
the
hotel
and
the
first
mix,
use
build.
This
would
be
pedestrian
completely
and
then
the
park
with
all
the
partner
around
there.
S
We
can
be
close,
so
we
have
a
large
capacity
for
events
and
entertainment
during
the
weekends
you
see
if
the
sides
to
help
and
everything
will
be
communicated
from
the
monument
all
the
way
to
the
hotel
from
visitor
on
residents,
so
that
the
concept
remains.
There
is
no
information,
not
before
the
revision
that
we
do
is
we
increase
our
offer
to
the
serial
Alma
regarding
the
size,
side
price
and
we
provide
information.
One
of
those
is
that
we
work
with
the
planning
department
to
find
the
closest.
S
Information
and
formulas
to
get
with
the
impact
fee
and
I
was
sink
to
it
and
proposal.
At
the
same
time,
we
presented
the
economic
impact
for
the
city
of
Baltimore
that
we
work
with
Pinellas
County
and,
as
you
can
see
in
that
piece
of
paper,
pretty
much
when
we
include
the
cost
of
the
construction
for
different
aspects
of
developing
in
residential
non-residential,
and
then
you
apply
the
multiplier.
S
For
example,
25
million
investment
become
a
35
million
impact
economic
impact
to
the
city,
the
the
multiplier
type
to
go
to
45
million
the
employment
generated
by
the
construction
alone,
250
to
450
for
residential
and
non-residential
around
230
to
430.
So
it's
a
huge
impact
to
these
to
do
is
type
of
the
relevant
for
the
cereal.
F
P
To
say
this
is
definitely,
in
my
opinion,
the
closest
to
our
vision
but
I'm
really
concerned
because
I'm
not
at
Hill
or
and
I'm,
not
a
numbers
person
I'm,
really
confused
about
the
money
and
I
even
read
all
your
questions.
Katie
I
even
talked
to
Ellen
and
I'm
still
a
little
confused,
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
subsidy,
the
milk,
the
eleven
million
dollar
subsidy,
that
old
smart,
would
pay
for
the
parking
garage.
Could
you
explain
that
to
me
please
in.
S
The
market,
that's
the
investment,
the
cereal
on
smart
will
provide,
and
we
have
presented
couple
of
solutions
that
how
that
money
can
be
stretched
when
we
talk
about
both
sides.
But,
yes,
that
will
be
an
investment
that
the
city
will
have
to
do
in
order
to
be
cooperating.
The
marketing
have
the
quality
of.
P
S
P
S
S
Usually
this
type
of
helping
high-end
neighborhoods,
because
the
rent
goes
pretty
high.
When
you
did
so
that's
what
the
cereal
also
will
invest
in
order
to
create
a
density
in
a
small
space
like
seven
acres.
In
order
to
create
that
foot
traffic
and
the
vision
that
we
had
to
the
neck,
sighs
and
create
Main,
Street
and
finally,
really
give
life
to
a
downtown
or
smart
with
the
West
End
and.
P
P
A
A
couple
questions,
but
it's
really
probably
more
clarifying
I,
know
that
you
said
in
the
questions
that
we
sent
out,
that
you
were
still
interested
if
the
projects
you
got
your
if
you
were
selected
as
for
one
of
the
projects,
but
not
the
other
property
I
should
say
property,
one
of
the
properties,
but
not
the
other
property.
Certainly
your
your
interest
is
to
do
both
I
understand
that,
and
so
that
is
still
accurate,
correct,
correct,
okay
and
then
I
want
to
you
to
clarify
just
so
I
make
sure
I
have
this
correctly
it.
G
S
But
it
has
to
be
under
conditions,
different
condition
yeah
in
the
world,
in
order
to
have
really
a
consistent
quality
in
the
design
and
the
purpose
of
the
whole
master
developed
and
the
hotel
er.
The
hotel
has
to
be
part
of
the
master
plan.
It
has
to
integrate
the
utilities,
physical
space
access,
plus
Cafe
retail,
within
the
concept-
yes
part
of
it.
So
we
will
be
able
to
work
with
somebody
that
really
it
has
the
same
walls.
Okay,
so.
B
A
A
Read
it
correctly,
you,
the
question
was
regarding
the
parking
structure
and
your
answer
was
that
if
option
two
was
selected,
you
would
want
the
property
then
conveyed
for
$1,
and
does
that
mean
that
you
want
to
convey
for
$1
because
of
the
amount
of
additional
investment
that
you
would
have
to
make
in
both
parking
garages
and
both
parking
garages?
So
you
would
then
no
longer
be
willing
to
pay
a
million
dollars
for
that
property.
S
Here's
the
difference:
if
we
get
both
projects
we
have
mentioned
to
a
city,
we
will
build
both
garages
for
that
amount
that
they
have
in
the
capital
investment.
But
we
have
to
put
money,
it's
not
enough,
so
we
have
to
put
more
money
to
build
the
garages.
If
we
only
do
the
library
site,
we
will
pay
for
the
property,
but
the
city
will
invest
to
build
the
garage.
J
Z
I'm
Carmen
Ramos
I'm
with
FSA,
basically
I,
was
just
trying
to
make
sure
that,
yes,
that
option
that
third
option,
if
we
may
call
it
that
they
like
that,
it's
basically
if
we
were
to
get
both
if
we
do
City
Hall
and
the
library
and
you
choose
option
2
for
the
library,
then
your
investment
would
only
be
the
11
million
we'll
deal
with
the
rest
of
what
the
cost
will
be
to
do
both
parking
garages
and
the
full-on
development.
But
we
take
away
the
999.
J
S
So
we
were
able
to
create
a
ground
parking
that
will
be
a
Raman
a
connected
to
the
plaza
that
would
create
a
larger
space
for
events
and,
besides
that,
we
helped
classes
in
between
the
mixed-use
buildings
on
the
hotel.
So
all
that
activity
for
this
season
to
have
downtown
experience
of
the
foot
traffic.
All
the
interactions
between
all
the
citizens
and
visitors
will
still
happen
so
watching
to
to
us
is
the
most
affected
that
match
the
density
of
this
site
and
to
create
the
large
amount
of
foot
traffic
allowed.
S
Both
sides
require,
in
order
to
join
a
great
Main
Street,
as
always
being
the
drink
for
Ozma,
and
we
still
you
know
we
are
within
the
numbers.
We
were
142
with
the
original
units.
We
have
a
hundred
and
thirty-five
with
this
one.
Then
that
was
the
beauty
of
combined
parking
garage
with
apartments
around
with
the
investment
from
see
very.
J
C
C
C
O
O
X
O
I
I
I
A
S
A
No,
the
reason
the
reason
I
asked
the
question
specifically
that
I
did
was
because
in
their
most
recent
update,
they
included
in
that
a
response
to
a
question
that
was
asked.
If
the
hotel
property
at
City
Hall
was
carved
out
right,
excuse
me,
would
they
be
interested
in?
The
answer
is
no,
they
would
no
longer
be
interested
in
the
rest
of
City
Hall
property.
Okay,.
P
A
I
state
that
accurately,
thank
you,
sir
all
right,
so
we're
gonna
move
into
the
next
part
where
we're
gonna
have
discussion
about
proposals.
As
we
talked
about
earlier,
we're
gonna
start
over
at
the
library
property
I
realize,
depending
on
how
you
view
things
that
might
make
things
a
little
more
challenging,
but
that's
the
way
we're
going
to
perceive
and
part
of
the
reason
for
that
is
because
all
all
three
proposals
for
the
library
over
there
said
they
wanted
to
remain
in
it.
So
at
that
point
it
doesn't
matter
right.
A
Having
said
that,
I
want
to
give
a
little
bit
of
guidance
to
the
council
on
this
right.
Certainly
I
respect
everyone's
opinion
up
here
and
how
they
manage
themselves.
We're
switching
gears
now,
right
and
I
got
this
advice
from
somebody.
Many
many
years
ago
and
I've
been
out
on
and
off
to
counsel
yeah
I
feel
like
Bieber
than
when
I
say
there's
longer
than
you
know.
Anybody
else
up
here,
other
than
Tom.
A
A
What
we're
gonna
do
is
talk
about
each
proposal
right
for
the
library
property
share
your
thoughts
on
it,
there's
no
wrong
opinion.
We
all
have
the
same
vote
and
we'll
come
out
with
our
process
with
some
weighted
voting.
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
in
the
sense
that
I'm
using
three
guiding
principles
when
I
approaches
write
a
number
one
which
to
me
is
the
most
fundamental.
A
You
know
quite
direct
feedback
on
what's
being
considered
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
make
a
point
of
saying:
is
this
council
and
councilmember
Grimes
is
new,
but
she
she's
watched
what's
been
going
on
and
I
know
she
went
back
and
watched
all
the
meetings
and,
specifically
to
tonight's
event,
we
went
through
a
very
specific
process
right
and,
while
we
may
not
be,
you
know
we're
lawyers
and
software
people
and
insurance,
and
you
know
all
kinds
of
different
industry
up
here.
We
didn't
do
it
on
our
own.
A
We
did
in
fact
bring
in
local
experts
to
help
guide
us
and
apply
what
their
experience
is
in
this
market
right,
I've
brought
in
retail
people,
we
brought
in
architects,
we
brought
in
designers
hotel
people,
so
you
know
we
are
our
concept
plan
I
wouldn't
be
quick
to
dismiss,
as
my
point
right,
but
so
my
first
guiding
principle
for
me
is
this
is
what
we
really
want.
The
second
is,
which
is
very
important
and
in
recognizing
that
the
presenters
are
all
in
a
typical
position
in
the
sense
that
this
is
the
initial
proposal.
A
Right
I
mean
the
devil
is
always
in
the
detail.
The
dollars
are
in
the
detail
right,
but
it's
what
we've
got
to
work
with,
and
so
the
second
guiding
principle
for
me
is
very
simple
in
the
sense
is
a
financial
part
of
their
proposal,
the
initial
a
good
deal
for
the
city
and
our
taxpayers.
Fine,
a
simple
all
the
other
moving
parts
to
me
starts
to
get
a
little
bit
fuzzy
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that
is
very
important
right.
This
land
wasn't
all
gifted
to
us
and
I'll
remind
everybody.
A
We
spent
over
20
years
accumulating
it
okay,
and
so
that's
the
second
part
and
the
third
part
do
you
feel
a
hundred
percent,
confident
in
the
ability
of
the
presenter,
both
financially
and
in
their
experience,
for
what
they're,
proposing
or
meaning
those
are
three
key
factors
and
they
might
be
different
for
you
and
you,
but
they're,
probably
you
might
you
know
you
might
categorize
them
some
other
way
for
yourself
but
I.
Think
as
a
rule
of
thumb,
they
probably
fall
into
those
three.
So
I'm
gonna
jump
in
talking
about
the
proposals.
A
First,
just
so,
maybe
it
makes
it
easier
to
get
people
into
rhythm
right,
because
it's
a
little
unusual
for
me
to
go
first,
but
I
want
to
do
that
to
try
to
make
it
easier,
so
the
library
property
to
me,
you
know,
we've
always
kind
of
envisioned
that
property
over
there
as
an
extension
of
the
downtown
area
from
here
right.
That's
the
big
vision,
the
big
long-term
vision
right
I
know
the
gallery
has
had
problems,
there's
reasons
the
gallery
has
had
problems:
okay,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
whole
history
of
it.
A
A
But
there
is
a
line
of
sight
that
has
been
a
vision
of
this
city
for
a
long
time
that
curves
around
over
to
that
beautiful
library
we
go
and
that's
that's
a
vision
that
has
been
worked
on
and
inched
along
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
gonna
talk
about
the
economics.
You
know,
I'll
remind
everybody
just
last
year
we
a
proposal
on
that
property
over
there
for
like
50
condos
that
were
actually
very
nice
high-end
condos
that
we
ultimately
chose
not
to
pursue
and
they
were
offering
us
almost
$900,000
for
just
half
that
property.
A
Okay
and
so
for
me,
you
know,
there's
a
couple
of
things
and
I'll
say
this:
I
think
the
economics
of
the
prime
group
for
that
property
over
there
well
I
recognize
it
is
to
view
it
on
the
holistic
picture
you
do
have
to
consider
over
here,
but
I.
Don't
believe
that
that
is
very
strong
economic
proposal
right
half
a
million
dollars
for
over
there
I
also
not
sure
that
that's
really
what
was
envisioned
for
that
property
over
the
years.
A
You
know
there's
a
little
bit
of
financial
reality
that
I
go
through
when
we're
talking
about
all
these
things
up
here
and
you'll.
Hear
me
say
it
again:
we
get
to
the
project
over
here,
but
you
know
we
don't
have
unlimited
resources
here,
right,
I,
believe
that
the
city
and
through
a
lot
of
owls
leadership,
we've
identified
that
we
can.
A
We
can
afford,
with
a
little
bit
of
creativeness,
to
build
a
parking
structure
right,
but
we
still
have
the
infrastructure
part
and
we
have
some
road
stuff
to
do
and
and
I
would
say
to
you
that
that
is
going
to
be
costly,
and
so,
when
I
look
at
what's
currently
being
offered
over
with
the
df'
marv
proposal
at
the
library
as
much
as
I
love
what's
being
presented
because
it's
mixed
use
and
it
gets
some
some
density
going
over
there
because
you
know
for
this
to
work.
We
have
to
have
density.
J
A
You
know
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
lack
of
concern
over
the
inventory
that
we're
talking
about
bringing
into
the
market,
and
so
you
know
those
are
just
kind
of
my.
You
know
one
two
three
on
not
my
ranking
I,
don't
mean
it
like
that.
I
mean
let's
first
discuss
this
before
we
actually
come
back
and
rank
right
because
I'm
interested
to
hear
what
everybody
else
has
to
say
and
so
councilmember
Gannon
I've
gone
to
my
right.
All
night,
I'm
gonna
go
to
you
one
more.
J
F
Really
appreciate
that
short
rubric,
you
sort
of
provided
mr.
mayor
those
three
questions.
Is
it
what
we
want
and
where
we
thought
about
it
financially
a
good
deal
for
the
city
feasible
and
do
we
have
confidence
in
the
ability
of
the
applicant
to
financially
and
in
terms
of
experience,
execute
what's
being
presented
and
the
library
property
that
you
summed
up
so
well
in
those
three
short
questions,
all
of
my
factors,
I'll
call
them
I
mean
without
necessarily
giving
my
ranking.
F
I
am
interested
in
increasing
increasing
the
density
in
the
downtown
area
which
made
for
me
DF,
Mar
and
Prime
groups.
Proposals
strong
I,
also
appreciated,
though
in
Cohen's
offer
the
price
point
particularly
and
the
fact
that
it
didn't
necessarily
take
up
the
entire
parcel
and
could
even
maybe
be
reduced
in
its
footprint.
I
see
that
as
a
sort
of
opportunity
to
spur
additional
economic
development
there,
whether
it's
mixed-use
in
the
future
or
maybe
it
turns
out
to
be
apartments
anyway
for
the
rest
of
the
property.
F
Okay,
fine,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
sort
of
getting
that
initial
investment,
starting
that
that
spark.
You
know,
starting
that
spark
and
moving
that
along.
We
recently
approved
the
in
between
the
Moose
Lodge
and
former
pest
control.
The
building
that
looks
like
the
bank
building
the
design
looks
like
the
bank
building
across
the
street.
There
and
I
like
to
see
this
sort
of
interest
and
piece-by-piece
kind
of
creating
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here.
As
far
as
what
we
want.
F
But
then
it
turned
out.
It's
only
option
one
and
option
two
and
the
initial
one
is
that
actually
not
even
on
the
table,
so
I
was
a
little.
My
confidence
was
shaken
in
that
ability
to
execute,
because
this
project,
whether
it's
library
or
City
Hall,
has
been
promised
before
and
I.
It
echoed
the
sort
of
fears.
F
The
the
lack
of
the
direct
experience,
the
the
other
issue
I
had
was
the
feasibility
I
am
surprisingly
not
necessarily
opposed
to
the
apartments
from
prime
group
just
because
Tony
Tan
echoes
project
created
a
similar
sort
of
density
and
I'm,
not
convinced
that
strong
retail
is
necessarily
what
we
need
right.
There
I
think
that
sums
my
thoughts
and
comments
on
the
library
property
there.
A
R
I
Z
A
I
I
I
truly
believe
that
and
I
I've
lived
in
this
city
for
21
years,
and
it's
been
a
topic
quite
often
for
quite
some
time
and
it's
it's
something
we
want
to
see
happen
and
I
think
we
have
to
connect
and
we
have
to
choose
someone
who
shares
our
vision,
but
also
pushes
us
to
maybe
look
outside
our
our
vision,
a
little
to
to
create
that
success,
that
we
need
really
all
of
the
things
that
you
said
were
some
of
the
things
that
I
was
going
to
touch
on.
So
really
that's.
C
Sakhi
Thank
You
mayor
I
have
just
a
couple
points:
I
really
love
this
concept
of
the
apartments.
I
think
that's
a
great
use
of
that
property
with
what
the
clubhouse
kind
of
reminds
me
of
when
Harbor
Palms
was
built
back
in
the
70s,
they
had
the
clubhouse
with
a
new
development.
I
love
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
for
that
particular
property.
With
the
apartments
saying
that
Eric
mayor,
you
had
a
great
point
about
the
taxpayers,
you.
C
Money
that
we
spent
on
this
property
over
the
20
years,
the
best
use
of
that
is
the
person
that
wants
to
give
us
the
best
amount
of
money
for
that
land,
the
best
investment
that
we're
going
to
develop
that
land
and
that's
where
we
have
to
get
the
money
back
for
art
from
our
taxpayers
that
we
spent
that
money
to
buy
to
buy
this
land.
In
saying
that
I
wasn't
even
thinking
of
having
a
hotel
on
that
particular
property.
C
It
wasn't
envisioning
that
but
I
actually
like
that
concept
of
putting
a
hotel
there
and
moving
forward
with
apartments
sort
of
like
we
have
a
design
here.
I
think
that
will
help
the
town
center
grow
and
vacancy
is
right
now,
there's
nothing.
There,
I
think
that
would
help
the
density
of
more
people,
but
as
far
as
that
property
is,
this
property
goes
I
feel
that
it's
important
that
we
get
the
best
dollar
to
pay
back
our
tax
payers
that
we
spent
that
money
on
and
then
develop
the
land
as
far
as
a
hotel
and
apartments.
P
I
have
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
y'all
said
and
I
disagree
with
some,
so
what
I
do
agree
with
I
I,
also
like
your
vision,
consideration
of
financial
and
ability
for
the
presenter
to
follow
through.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
believe
that
it's
very
important
that
we're
good
stewards
of
the
taxpayer
dollars
and
I
do
also
like
the
vision
that
we've
had
the
wraparound,
the
extension
from
west
to
east
I.
P
P
They
sell
them,
they
sell
them,
sell
them,
sell
them
and
quality
goes
down
down
down,
because
profit
is
more
important,
I'm
glad
that
y'all
are
a
family
company
and
you
care
about
quality,
but
I
have
seen
it
one
too
many
times
that
apartment
complexes,
change
hands,
so
I
did
not
think
of
a
hotel
being
there
either
I
drove
around
and
it
kind
of
makes
sense.
There's
other
hotels
there.
The
money
is
amazing:
I
mean
that
it's
more
than
what
we
paid
for
the
entire
parcel
we'd
still
have
five
acres
to
do.
P
P
N
I
P
B
G
R
A
A
You
I
looked
all
this
stuff
up:
okay,
I'll
leave,
I'll!
Forget
it
when
I
walk
out
here,
no
I'm
just
kidding,
but
I
did
research
it
to
make
sure
it's
accurate.
You
know,
I
assume
we're
collecting
impact
fees
from
everybody.
Okay,
I
recognize
that
that
always
becomes
part
of
the
discussion.
I
understand
that,
but
that's
just
kind
of
an
assumption
then
I
typical
to
make
oh
yeah.
Did
you
have
more
questions?
A
Any
other
discussion
comments,
all
right,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
rank
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
the
where
we're
going
to
go
about
this.
We
have
three
proposals,
so
we're
gonna
rank
three
being
your
favorite
to
being
your
next
favorite
and
one
being
your
least
favorite,
or
if
there's
anybody
who
wishes
to
pull
anything
yeah
drop.
Anything
by
all
means
say
it
as
I
said
earlier.
A
If
we
have
three
people
who
say
that
and
there
they're
off
the
table,
because
that
would
be
a
majority
and
I
will
once
again
remind
everybody
that
we
are
ranking
the
order
in
which
the
city
manager
is
to
go
negotiate.
But
my
bet
is:
is
that
he's
gonna
go
get
a
deal
done
with
someone
and
it's
gonna
be
amazing.
It's
gonna
be
a
lot
better
than
anything.
We're
looking
at
right
now,
especially
because
later
on
the
agenda
he's
his
evaluation
for
his
raises
up.
So.
A
I'm
just
gonna
say
so:
I'm
gonna
go
about
ranking
this
we're
taking
a
little
bit
of
assumption.
I'm
gonna
rank
Cohen
as
three
as
my
first
choice,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
the
economics.
My
hopes
are
that
we
can
end
up
with
more
workable
property
that
perhaps
I'm
going
to
go
with
prime
as
to
that,
perhaps
that
they
can
find
a
enough
space
to
do
some
work
over
there.
A
J
A
X
P
H
X
G
B
A
I'm
gonna
just
kind
of
go
through
on
mine
and
would
go
right
down
the
line
and
I'm
gonna
start
with
Commonwealth
and
I'm
gonna
talk
just
a
little
about
the
codes
on
the
pros
and
the
cons.
I
should
have
just
combined
it
right,
Commonwealth,
really
like
the
company
in
their
experience,
I
think
they've
got
specifically
as
it
relates
to
what
they're
proposing
they
certainly
have
a
long
history
of
executing.
A
It
was
funny
because
council,
member
Grimes,
and
as
well
as
councilmember
Gannon,
mentioned
I've,
been
here
before
I.
Hence
the
reason
one
of
those
top
threes
are,
you
know,
ability,
experience
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
because
you
know
we've
been
to
this
movie.
Unfortunately,
you
know
and
I
would
also
say
that
I'm
still
kind
of
applying
that
whole
thought
process
of
those
three
rules,
but
I
really
like
their
experience.
A
Certainly,
their
contractor
has
an
outstanding
reputation
for
the
use
of
technology
and
finishing
jobs
on
time
I
mean
it
may
or
may
not
be
known,
but
there
was
you
know:
we've
had
discussions
with
their
contractor
about
parking
structure
here
before
they
were
even
part
of
the
discussion.
Just
because
of
how
impressed
our
city
staff
has
been
down
side
as
it
relates
to
the
rest.
We
still
have
to
find
other
development
partners.
We
have
to
find
development
partners
for
additional
density
for
retail.
A
I
joked
a
little
with
them
earlier
about
their
willingness
to
negotiate.
I,
don't
know
that.
That's
really
a
true
concern,
but
I
think
that
they're
very
firm
and
what
they're
presenting
and
the
other
downside
to
them
is
they're,
not
local
they're,
not
a
local
company,
and
so
that's
kind
of
my
pros
and
cons
as
it
relates
to
common,
well
councilmember
Gannon.
F
I
I
think
we
have
long
promised
our
residents,
as
you
know,
a
product,
something
not
just
something
for
the
sake
of
building
it,
but
something
real
and
something
beautiful
and
I
think
they
have
the
potential
to
build
that
the
experience
necessary
to
execute
it
and
the
confidence
in
it.
The
only
drawback
is
yes,
they're
they're,
not
a
local
company.
F
That
is
one
thing,
and
you
know
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
hesitation
because
you
want
you
want
to
know
that
it's
gonna
be
operated
and
in
the
way
that
we
expect
and
also
pays
homage
to
our
local
eccentricity
'z.
You
know
it.
It
incorporates
what
makes
altameyer
Oldsmar
and
so
from
afar.
You
wonder.
Okay,
is
this
going
to
be
something
that
looks
pretty
but
could
be
in
any
city?
They're
sort
of
architectural
renderings
give
me
confidence,
but
that
is
my
one
con,
as
you
mentioned
very.
I
Was
impressed
with
that,
they
didn't
feel
they
needed
to
change
their
proposals.
They
had
the
confidence
and
belief
that
what
they
presented
was
what
was
best,
and
you
know,
I
got
a
from
the
presentation,
a
comfort
level
that
they
would
be
able
to
share
in
what
the
vision
has
been
I
mean
their
renderings.
You
know,
I
felt
were
very
close,
aligned,
I,
understand
the
concerns
of
them
not
being
local,
but
I,
think
the
reputation
their
reputation
and
thin
frocks
as
well.
C
Zaraki
Thank
You
mayor,
the
only
con
that
I
have
is
what
Gannon
and
sandy
said
is
they're,
not
local,
but
I
love
the
design,
I
love
their
price,
I
love
the
rooftop,
steakhouse
I.
Think
the
biggest
asset
is
that
they're
willing
to
work
with
us
on
the
garage
which
is
the
key
for
us.
We
need
that
garage.
Well,
yes
or
they'd.
C
P
Love
I
do
love
the
design.
A
lot
of
the
design.
I
know
that
they
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
upper
scale,
I
love
that
they
are
working
with
VIN
Brock,
because
they're,
an
established
company
and
the
only
con
well
yeah
the
not
being
local,
but
isn't
this
the
one
that
this
one's?
A
hundred
and
twenty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
per
year
for
leasing
the
garage
spaces
versus
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year
and
I
think
you
mentioned,
that
was
thirty
five
percent
less.
That
to
me
is
a
con.
V
A
A
A
Get
done,
that's
what
I
got.
Oh
another
plus.
Let
me
just
finish,
is
granted
I
know
that
they're
also
taking
a
little
bit
more
property,
but
it's
also
what
they
intend
to
do
with
that
property.
That's
a
plus,
because
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this
councilmember
Grimes,
but
you
know
they're
they're,
actually
proposing
1.3
acres
with
the
intent
long-term
short-term.
R
F
B
A
I
To
cover
crimes,
I,
don't
think
I
need
to
reiterate
things
that
you
both
have
said
again.
I
know,
we've
all
you
know,
a
concern
is
no
boutique
experience.
However,
I
think
he
addressed
that
quite
well
in
saying
that
he's
going
to
be
building
based
on
plans
and
those
plans
will
be
something
that
will
be
worked
out
with
al
through
that
process.
So
you
know
you're
building
according
to
someone
specs
you're,
not
they're,
not
just
going
to
go
out
and
do
whatever
they
so
choose.
C
Thank
You
mayor
as
I
mentioned
before
I
one
thing
I
really
liked
about
their
presentation
is
you
can
tell
it's
coming
from
their
heart:
they
really
care
about
our
community,
they
care
about
our
city
and
that
family.
You
get
that
family
feeling
from
their
presentation
and
I.
Look
like
sandy
just
said:
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
I
just
love
the
idea,
the
rooftop,
the
steakhouse
I,
think
the
offer
is
fine
and
I
really
don't
have
any
cons.
P
Thing
that
your
local,
you
have
a
lot
of
experiences.
I
don't
have
I,
don't
I
shared
the
concern
that
there
was
no
experience
in
boutique,
but
there
their
desire
to
fulfill
our
vision
and
a
development
agreement
has
to
be
made
prior
to
an
any
groundbreaking
or
anything.
So
I
think
that
we
will
be
able
to
work
out.
You
know
I,
think
that
will
I
think
that
the
potential
of
getting
what
our
vision
is
Pro.
All
of
what
they're
saying
about
the
garage
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
the
numbers
are.
P
P
A
Very
good,
all
right,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
prime
love,
the
company's
experience
I
think
that
they
I
love
the
fact
that
they
have
a
focus
on
density.
Well,
I
may
not
like
how
its
presented
per
se,
because
I
believe
that
for
a
long
time,
in
order
for
us
to
have
some
success,
we
have
to
have
an
eye
on
density.
Personally,
you
know,
I
would
I
would
look
to
make
some.
A
Variances
on
height,
to
try
to
help
accommodate
some
of
that.
Quite
frankly.
Well,
look,
you
know
it's,
you
can't
have
it
both
ways.
You
either
go
out
or
you
go
up.
You
know
and
and
truthfully
I've
always
believed
that
the
concern
that
we've
had
and
doing
that
is
the
concern
of
area
neighbors.
But
if
you
look
at
the
way
something
is
staggered
and
how
far
back
they
go,
you
know
we
don't
really
have
any
residential
other
than
those
mixed-use
units,
the
abuse
built
on
State
Street
unit.
A
So
you
go
past
that
now
you
got
a
parking
structure.
Now
you
got
this.
That
I
mean
how
many
of
you
ever
realized
that
the
Hampton
and
six
stories
it's
the
tallest
building
in
ever
noticed
it
yeah
most
habit.
I
could
tell
you
that
right
now,
well,
you're
you're
rare,
if
you
have
very
few
have
and
so
in
any
event,
but
I
like
that.
Clearly,
the
full
development
side
build
an
own
that's
attractive,
but
I'll
be
quite
pointed.
A
B
A
A
A
F
I
actually
really
appreciated
the
density.
The
city
manager
and
I
got
into
a
lively
discussion
last
week
about
whether
its
retail
or
whether
it's
residential
that
could
serve
to
drive
additional
economic
development
in
our
downtown
in
the
library
property
areas.
I
see
some
advantages
in
the
master
developer
proposal.
V
F
F
F
F
I
only
considered
really
condos
I
didn't
necessarily
consider
the
feasibility
of
of
apartments
and
getting
to
think
about.
You
know.
Millennials
and
workforce
housing
and
I
just
appreciated
the
sort
of
forward-thinking
presentation
and
building
not
for
today,
but
building
for
10
years
from
now.
I
think
that's
really
intelligent
and
one
of
the
things
that
Oldsmar
has
done
pretty
great
at
and
it
even
goes
for
some
of
our
you
know:
leisure
services
offerings.
You
know,
I
think
about
the
hockey
rink
and
we're
the
second.
You
know
Lightning
made
you
know
complex
and
it's
like
yeah.
F
We
we
think
to
the
future.
We
don't
think
about.
You
know
what
used
to
be
popular,
we're
looking
to
build
something
new,
something
different.
Something
people
will
want
to
live
near
to
come,
see
so
I
think
it's
innovative
and
actually
really
cool
that
they
gave
us
not
necessarily
opposite
of
what
we
asked
for,
but
incorporated
what
we
asked
for
it
into
what
they
believe
based
on
their
experience,
is
economically
feasible.
There.
I
Was
extremely
impressed
with
their
presentation
they
they
obviously
have
been
doing
this
and
doing
it
well
for
quite
some
time.
I.
One
of
my
main
questions
when
I
met
with
without
was
explaining
me
apartments
versus
this,
and
he
you
know
address
that.
That's
what
the
market
is
driving,
that's
what's
gonna
work,
and
so,
as
we've
all
said,
we
don't
have
experience
in
doing
this
and
having
someone
with
that
capability
to
push
us
out
of
our
box
to
think
bigger
to
think
differently.
I
I
C
Thank
you
mayor
first
I'd
like
to
say
the
old
tomorrow,
Square
City,
Park
idea,
the
amphitheater
I
think
it's
awesome,
I
love
it
because
I
was
in
an
Arizona
a
year
ago,
and
I
saw
this
little
amphitheater.
They
had
in
Arizona,
and
it
was
similar
to
what
you
had
here.
I
thought
that
was
a
great
concept.
The
apartment
idea,
I
think
is
great.
I
know
Linda
had
mentioned.
She
doesn't
like
apartments,
but
I
think
that's
where
we're
going.
C
The
futures
apartments
rents
are
high,
I
think
that's
where
the
economy
is
going
with
apartments,
your
design,
your
ideas,
your
presentation
was
excellent.
I
think
what
you've
come
up
with
for
our
City
Hall.
Our
downtown
area
is
a
great
design.
The
only
thing
I
don't
like
about
it
is
the
two
parking
garages
I
think
that's
a
little
overkill
for
our
little
area,
I'm
almost
thinking,
maybe
four
storeys,
and
then
one
and
then
the
other
thing
is
what
other
councilmembers
have
said.
C
Is
the
City
Hall
thing
I
mentioned
it
to
you
on
our
break
I
had
a
computer
store
and
after
nine
years
of
having
a
computer
store,
I'll
eat,
at
least
this
property
all
that
money
was
gone
when
I
sold
that
company
it
was
gone.
You
know
I
was
that
was
the
only
mistake
in
my
life
that
I
thought
and
after
I
sold
that
I
said.
I'm
never
gonna
make
that
mistake
again.
A
C
P
Think
that
they
were
at
a
disadvantage
without
being
involved
from
the
beginning,
because
they
didn't
get
to
see
what
our
vision
was,
the
amphitheater
I
disagree.
We
have
an
amphitheater
I
like
the
dancing
fountain,
but
they
addressed
that
they
would
be
willing
to
switch
that
up
to
some
other
component.
I
agree
with
counsel
that
I
would
not
like
to
give
up
the
control
of
City
Hall.
P
Although
I
did
like
the
explanation,
if
that's
what
some
towns
are
doing
and
people
love
going
downstairs
and
having
I
just
don't
see
our
city
employees
having
to
come
in
and
go
through
all
of
that
and
have
that
all
work
of
all
of
that
I.
Don't
and
I
kind
of
like
the
orientation
of
our
City
Hall
that
we
have
now
coming
down.
Park
Street
in
heaven,
City
Hall
right
there
I,
like
the
orientation
of
it,
so
I
can't
envision
how
it's
gonna
look.
P
If
it's
in
a
different
configuration,
my
I
guess
my
I
mean
their
experiences
is
second
to
none.
Obviously,
they
know
I
really
liked
the
explanation
of
the
dollar
Burke
I
can't
remember
at
all,
but
the
difference
between
the
numbers
or
the
difference
between
apartments
and
condos
at
a
dollar
square.
Foot
versus
two
I,
don't
remember,
but
it
gave
me
something
more
to
think
about.
Why
do
you
prefer
condos
and
residential
to
Apartments,
based
on
my
experience
in
the
business
I.
P
The
the
biggest
the
the
biggest
concern
I
have
is
tying
it
with
the
library
property
at
a
half-million
dollars
and
apartments
at
the
library
apartment.
So
if
it's
tied
together,
then
that
is
my
biggest
concern
that
in
order
to
have
them
do
downtown,
then
it
would
also
be
the
not
the
best
economic
decision
on
the
library
property.
H
A
A
Talking
and
looking
to
see
what
the
feedbacks
been
and
the
design
that
they
presented
to
me
was
kind
of
the
closest
to
same
vision
that
the
council
had
that
big
said
they
also.
You
know
they
had
that
long
vision
that
around
the
bend
vision
you
know,
I
actually
measured
it
just
because
I
was
curious
in
comparison
to
a
safety
harbor
or
something
like
that.
It's
it's
about
a
1/2
mile,
all
the
way
down
and
around
and
so
you're
talking
about
a
nice
little
walk.
A
So
in
any
event,
you
know
once
again,
I
have
concerns
over
some
of
the
control
issues
for
a
multitude
of
reasons
and
I'll
talk
about
that
maybe
later,
but
that
falls
into
that
category,
and
in
this
you
know,
even
though
they've
stepped
up
the
team,
the
core
team
that
is
really
running
point.
This
would
be
kind
of
a
first
of
their
kind,
and
so
that
is
a
concern.
F
I
C
Member
sakhi
Thank
You
mayor
with
their
site
plans
I
actually
like
the
way
they
have
everything
flowing
the
design
of
how
they
flow
from
different
areas
within
each
site.
Plan
I
actually
really
like
the
way
they
put
that
together.
That's
one
of
my
big
positives,
I,
like
about
their
project
other
than
their
I,
really
don't
have
any
cons,
or
everyone
has
said
some.
He
mentioned
a
couple
things.
You
mentioned
a
couple
of
things
and
I,
just
that
was
the
only
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
they're,
very
good
councilmember.
A
P
On
this
one
is
it's
closest
to
our
vision
and
I,
don't
mind
the
surprise.
The
green
space
I
think
that
what
we
want
is
a
place
for
our
residents
to
be
able
to
come
and
enjoy,
and
if
there's
a
hotel
and
there's
mixed
use
and
there's
a
fountain
or
whatever
we're
going
to
have,
or
whatever
we're
going
to
have,
I
think
that
that's
what
our
citizens
will
enjoy.
P
I
think
that
if
we
have
a
to
dense
it
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
some
I,
don't
know:
I,
don't
I,
just
don't
imagine
as
many
citizens
coming
to
enjoy
the
space,
if
it's
so
dense
with
retail
and
commercial
and
with
everything
so
I
personally,
like
the
green
space
and
I,
think
that
the
con
would
be.
Can
they
do
it?
Can
they
get
it
done?
Yes,
they
do
have
new
partners
and
they
have
good
track
records
there.
P
A
So
I
appreciate
the
diligence
you've
taken
and
all
the
time
you've
taken.
So
you
know
I
come
back
to
those
three
guiding
principles
for
me.
Is
it
what
we
want?
Is
it
a
good
deal
and
ability
right?
I
mean
to
me
those
are
kind
of
the
core
competencies
when
we
had
our
first
planning
session.
Some
of
you
might
remember
that
my
desired
approach
to
this
did
not
include
master
developers.
A
A
F
A
A
A
Perfect
downtown
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
That's
probably
not
the
right
way
to
say
it,
but
you
see
Jeff
out.
There
smiling
I.
Just
think
that
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
kind
of
understand
that
I
think
there's
a
difference
in
kind
of
taking
our
time
and
going
organically
I,
like
you,
Linda
feel
strongly
about
having
a
big
green
space.
Of
course,
I've
always
liked
the
idea
of
the
down
dancing,
fountain
the
Bellagio
style,
because
I
believe
that
will
draw
people
out-
and
you
know
they
add
the
theater
is
a
cool
idea.
A
We
know
it
is
because
we
have
one
right:
I
mean
that's
not
you
know,
we've
got
one
and
it
packs
them
in
over
there
right.
It
also
costs
a
lot
of
money
to
continue
to
run.
You
know
we
have
to
pay
for
bands,
you
have
to
pay
for
setup
and
on
some
of
the
stuff
that
we're
talking
about,
listen,
I,
don't
know
where
the
money's
gonna
come
before.
A
You
know,
let's
go
in
an
apps
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
you
know,
I've
always
feud
to
growth
in
revenue
is
going
to
pay
off
on
the
part
of
the
parking
structure
and,
and
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
fiscal
reality
that
goes
into
this
I'm,
not
sure
that
we've
got
it
on
some
of
the
bigger
plant
stuff.
I
also
think
we
make
more
money
as
a
city
by
doing
a
little
bit
of
code
creep.
You
know
like
a
better
word
crawl,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
I.
G
A
A
I
meant
to
say
crawl
crawl
development
for
lack
of
a
better
word
worse,
you
know.
Look
we
had
at
one
time
when
we
talked
about
and
I
understand
the
concern
infrastructure
wise
right.
There
are
ways
to
mitigate
that.
Okay
and
part
of
that
is
plotting
land,
and
you
know
now
we're
targeting
a
brewery.
Now
we're
you
know,
yeah,
it's
one
off,
okay,
but
it's
a
town
when
you're
done
and
so
for
me
my
ranking
is
going
like
this.
A
It's
gonna
go
the
hotels
first
and
then
it's
gonna
go
the
developers
second,
which
of
course
eliminates
I'm
going
to
rank
I'm,
not
worried
and
she's.
Looking
at
me,
you
know:
I'm
gonna
carve
out
the
hotel
for
me
because
I,
like
it
I,
like
the
economics
I,
like
us
kind
of
on
the
cash
flow
side.
You
know
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
So
it
comes
down
a
course
to
Commonwealth
and
semone
man.
G
A
Can't
get
away
from
the
local
part
of
it
because
I
agree,
there's
plans.
There's
this.
You
know,
there's
development
agreements
I
recognize
that
there's
some
economy
of
scales
as
it
relates
to
Commonwealth,
as
it
relates
to
the
parking
structure
and
and
Finch
Rock,
but
there's
also
some
look
I,
don't
know
what
the
deal
looks
like
with
Simone's
offer
to
take
a
lead
role
in
the
parking
structure.
That's
what
this
whole
negotiation
parts
about
right.
How
much
sweeter
does
that
look
for
us
or
not?
P
F
G
P
A
H
V
F
A
H
A
H
A
Anybody
wish
to
pull
anything
seeing
none,
except
for
the
resignation
kind
of
weird
yeah.
Okay,
we're
on
the
consent.
Docket.
Anybody
wish
to
pull
anything.
No,
no
okay,
a
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying.
Aye
motion
passes
next
item
on
the
agenda.
We
did
item
number
seven,
we're
gonna
go
to
our
city
attorney.
Mr.
Tom
Trask
item
number,
eight
public.
X
Hearing-
and
this
is
the
first
reading
of
wardens
mm
19-0,
eh
I'll,
read
that
by
title
only
ordinance,
2019
sir
wait
in
ordinance
of
the
city
of
olds
who
are
Florida
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city
of
Oldsmar.
The
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
charter
said
amendment
amending
section,
3.0,
7,
C
of
article
3
of
the
Charter
to
correct
a
codification
area,
err
by
reinstating
language
that
that
provided
for
filling
of
council
vacancies
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Here
of
that
was
reading
a
board
in
2019
nearly
by
title.
Only.
A
A
H
Reading
of
ordinance
2019,
oh
eight
submitting
to
electors
to
the
city
of
Baltimore
proposed
amendment
to
the
say,
Charter
said
amendment
amending
section,
3.0
7c
of
article
3
of
the
Charter
to
correct
codification
error
by
reinstating
language
that
provided
fulfilling
of
council
vacancies,
passes
of
5
votes
for
and
0
against.
Thank.
B
B
G
V
Like
merit
of
9
is
authorized
city
manager
advertised
2020
do
0:04
RFQ
for
general
engineering
services
for
transportation
and
stormwater.
This
request
for
qualifications
is
for
general
engineering
consultants
to
provide
ongoing
as
needed
services
that
may
include
analysis,
design,
permitting
and
construction
management
of
the
city
of
Baltimore
streets
and
stormwater
projects
assisting
the
city
in
addressing
technical
and
regulatory
issues
with
the
Florida
Department
of
Transportation
Florida
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
and
Southwest
Florida
Water,
Management
District,
assisting
also
in
providing
permit
review
services
performing
stormwater
or
traffic
studies.
V
V
Mera
item
tennis
request
council
approval
to
waive
bid
requirements
and
authorized
the
purchases
of
the
repair,
replacement
or
supply
of
utility
plant
equipment
from
major
electric
motors
/.
The
Lee
County
contract
number
B
one
six
zero
one.
Four
four
Casey
on
piggyback
formed
seventeen
there's
zero
one.
One.
The
work
covered
by
the
contract
will
include
repair
services
for
pumps
located
in
the
lift
stations,
water
reclamation
facility
and
the
reverse
osmosis
water
treatment.
Plant
work
will
be
completed
based
on
bench
rates
provided
in
the
Lee
County
bid,
which
is
valid
through
August
18th
2020.
V
The
contract
also
covers
the
purchase
of
replacement
pumps
for
projects,
routine
maintenance
and
other
emergency
repairs.
The
fiscal
impact
four
to
nineteen
twenty
and
as
an
estimate
is
likely
to
exceed
$25,000
and
the
actual
amount
will
depend
on
circumstances
and
we
will
follow
purchasing
policy
and
bringing
it
back
to
Council.
The
work
will
also
be
charged
to
one
of
the
following
four
budget
divisions,
which
are
all
in
the
401
fund,
which
is
the
loader
sewer
fund,
and
the
staff
recommends
approval.
Thank.
I
V
You
Barry
right,
11
requests,
council
approval
to
again
wave
bid
requirements
and
award
the
contract
for
general
engineering
and
professional
services
to
green
and
Patterson
Inc
for
environmental
monitoring
services
under
the
same
terms
and
conditions
as
the
Southwest
Water
Management
District
agreement
number
19,
C
n,
zero,
zero,
zero
one,
nine
five,
six
on
piggyback
for
twenty
days.
Zero
zero
for
the
contract
provides
environmental
monitoring
services
related
to
the
reverse,
osmosis
water
treatment
plant
as
specified
an
environmental
monitoring
plan
which
is
dated
November,
2005
and
detailed
in
special
condition.
V
13
of
the
Swift
mud
water
use,
permit
WUP,
2,
0
0
1
1,
2,
1
8,
and
in
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
Florida
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
environmental
resource
permits.
The
original
contract
is
effective
as
a
4
for
2019
and
is
valid
for
five
years.
The
consulted
fee
of
fifty
two
thousand
twelve
dollars
and
one
cent
for
the
scope
of
work
is
to
be
paid
from
the
GL
account
for
L
one
one.
Four,
eight
five,
three
three
30
31
20
and
a
step
recommends
approval
at.
V
Here
out
of
12
us
requests,
council
approval
away
bid
requirements
and
authorize
the
purchase
of
carbon
dioxide
from
matheson.
Try
gas
incorporated
utilizing
this
Arizona
county
contract
number
1917
8
4-h
are
on
piggyback
form
19
days,
zero,
zero.
Two
carbon
dioxide
is
added
during
the
potable
water
treatment
process
at
the
reverse,
osmosis
water
treatment
plant
for
alkalinity
and
pH
adjustment,
Matheson
try,
gas
Incorporated
has
agreed
to
extend
the
pricing
terms
and
conditions
of
the
Sarasota
County
contract
to
the
city.
V
The
current
contract
went
into
effect
on
October
26
2019
and
is
valid
through
October
25th
year,
2022
at
the
rate
of
point:
zero,
nine
for
$5
per
pound
of
carbon
dioxide,
the
budgetary
impact
and
the
funding
for
this
chemical
has
been
budgeted
for
the
amount
of
sixty
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
in
the
current
year.
Financial
budget,
ro
WTP
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund
and
staff
recommends
approval.
A
A
H
A
Right
item
number
13,
City
Council,
consider
City
Clerk's
annual
compensation,
as
you
know
that
there
is
a
vision
to
increase
her
compensation
on
an
annual
basis
based
on
satisfactory
a
minimum
of
satis.
Three
council
members
answering
yes
regarding
satisfactory
satisfaction
of
performance.
Their
Charter
official
shall
receive
the
same
enhancement
as
other
city.
Employees
is
such
an
enhancement
ratified
by
the
council.
At
the
first
meeting
of
November
merit
increase
general
employees
in
the
fiscal
year.
2019
20
budget
is
3%
and
I
would
say,
she's
worth
every
bit,
that's
for
sure
and
more,
but
it's
only
three.
A
F
A
A
J
A
A
G
A
A
P
A
Moved
do
I
have
a
second
I.
Have
a
second
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion
passes.
Congratulations,
you
two
Aldo
very
well
desert
very,
very
well-deserved,
I
would
say
a
bargain,
and
next
is
the.
What
is
it
the
city,
the
city
attorney?
Oh
that's
not
on
here.
Is
it.
A
A
A
motion
for
that
second,
second
I
will
say
this
I
know
she's
still
fairly
new
to
the
council.
I
know
the
other
council
members
we're
all
busy
and
it's
a
shorter
term,
but
I
think
that
she
has
certainly
demonstrated
the
skill
sets
and
always
being
prepared
and
and
I
think
you
know
it
would
be
an
honor
for
me
to
have
you
as
my
vice
mayor,
the.
F
G
A
P
P
C
P
A
C
Thank
you.
I
want
a
chip,
great
concert,
Friday
night.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
that.
What
I
really
enjoyed
about
it
was
the
golf
carts.
I
couldn't
leave
all
the
golf
carts
that
were
there,
the
families
came
out
in
their
golf
carts.
They
set
up
blankets
and
hung
out.
The
band
was
incredible.
The
Blues
Band
was
just
fantastic,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
great
job
with
that,
and
then
I
want
to
mention
something
about
the
Moose.
C
Club
I,
don't
know
what
he
knows
about
the
Moose
Club,
it's
across
the
street
from
our
library.
They
just
recently
went
non-smoking
so
its
non-smoking
on
Fridays.
They
have
specials
on
the
third
Friday
they've
got
buffalo
chicken
wings,
which
I
love
buffalo
chicken
wings,
but
last
week
they
had
yeah.
There
you
go
last
week
they
had
a
Polish
dinner
that
pierogies
they
had
good
God.
It
was,
it
was
fantastic,
stuffed
cabbage.
C
It
was
delicious
and
then
the
week
before
they
had
an
Italian
feast,
so
on
Fridays,
sometimes
they
do
dinner
and
every
third
Sunday
they
do
breakfast,
but
there's
no
smoking
in
there.
Now
they
do
a
lot
for
the
community.
Do
a
lot
for
the
kids
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
and
then
last
thing
I
want
to
welcome
sandy
to
the
team
very.
N
A
F
I
am
unbelievably
grateful
for
the
support
from
the
community
from
the
Women's
Club
from
this
council
for
my
friends
and
family
for
everyone's
help.
Recently
in
the
midst
of
a
family
disaster.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
my
husband,
Kenny
broke
his
leg
in
three
places
and
I've
been
single
mom
and
everything
and
it's
been
exciting,
but
we're
making
it
and
the
reason
we're
making.
F
It
is
because
of
all
of
you,
because
of
your
understanding
because
of
your
home-cooked
meals,
because
of
your
phone
calls
to
check
on
me
to
make
sure
I
have
not
left,
but
he's
he's
doing
much
better.
Sadly,
we
have
another
setback
today
and
we
had
to
say
goodbye
to
our
Great
Dane
Daphne.
So
it's
been
a
tough
couple
of
weeks,
but
I
am
just
as
I
read
in
my
poem
tonight.
F
I
am
exceedingly
grateful
for
this
community
and
for
all
of
you
and
the
millions
that
watch
us
online
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they
know
too.
I
am
absolutely
floored
and
honored
and
humbled
by
the
opportunity
to
serve
as
vice
mayor
of
this
incredible
city,
and
for
this
incredible
council
promised
myself
I.
Wouldn't
cry
I'm,
so
I'm
so
happy
to
be
able
to
do
it.
Oktoberfest
was
fantastic.
F
F
I
A
A
So
I
was
saying
her
saying
you
know
we
really
ought
to
start
creating
golfcart
special
parking
to
just
encourage
it,
not
knowing
that
when
I
walked
up
they
already
were
doing
it.
It
was
like,
oh
man,
that's
perfect
and
it
had
just
such
a
good
vibe
to
it.
It
was
you
know
it
wasn't.
You
know
it
wasn't
celebrated
all's
bar
and
all
it
was
just.
It
was
a
good
vibe
to
it.
So
job
well
done
for
you
and
the
team
all
right
share
that
with
them.
Please
don't
forget,
the
annual
talent
show
is
coming
up.
A
A
But
anyhow,
unfortunately,
I
will
be
on
returning
back
in
town.
I
I
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
morning
at
10:30
in
Las
Vegas,
so
I
will
be
on
a
very,
very
early
flight,
and
so
I
can't
get
back
here
in
time.
I'm
out
there
for
a
few
days
of
meetings,
Veterans
Day,
don't
forget,
Veterans
Day
is
coming
up,
always
our
veterans
out
there
and
our
Advisory
Committee.
That
does
just
an
amazing
job
and
our
staff
out
there
that
works
real
hard
on
it.
So
please
be
out
there
I
want
to
congratulate
my
friend,
councilmember
Grimes.
A
You
know
she's
gonna,
do
a
great
job
for
the
city
and
and
I
have
all
the
confidence
in
the
world.
She's
I
always
describe
her
she's
she's
smart
she's
pretty,
and
she
can
be
tough
as
nails.
You
know,
that's
just
like
the
killer
combination
right
there,
and
so
we've
got
that
up
here
on
the
council,
so
our
citizens
should
feel
good
about
it.
Vice
mayor,
congratulations!
Thank
you
for
accepting
the
position.
A
That's
it
well
I'm!
Just
you
know.
You
won't
happen
again.
So,
okay,
but
I
I,
appreciate
I,
know
you'll
do
a
great
job
at
it.
I
know,
you'll
do
a
great
job
and
the
last
thing
I'm
gonna
mention
this
again.
I
am
so
proud
of
this
council
right.
This
is
a
tough
thing
to
go
through
granted.
I
will
tell
you
it's
not
the
permanent,
it's
not
the
final.
You
look
out.
A
We
got
more
heavy
lifting
to
do
and
and
further
to
go
in
this,
but
it's
been
eight
mods,
and
here
we
sit
with
proposals
and
that's
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
by
this
council.
I
appreciate
the
diligence
that
everyone
went
through
a
prior
tonight.
It
was
obvious
that
everybody
was
fully
informed
and
prepared.
It's
part
of
the
reason
we
got
through.
It.
A
I
hope
that
all
of
the
people
who
have
participated
felt
like
they
were
treated
fairly
and
that's
all
you
can
ask
for
there's
always
going
to
be
folks
who
who
were
disappointed
and
look.
You
know
the
fact
that
we
did
the
carve
out.
I
mean
it's
not
done
yet,
but
we're
in
that
direction
says:
there's
some
others
opportunity
there.
If
somebody
has
the
appetite
for
it,
so
we'll
we'll
see.
Congratulations
to
those
who
were
right,
number
one.
We
expect
great
things
out
of
you
all
back
there
Simone
we're
talking
to
you.
A
A
V
V
To
do
with
the
fact
that
we
have
this
great
relationship
with
the
lighting,
because
on
opening
day,
October
12th
John
Tucker
was
the
one
that
hosted
the
clinics,
he's
very
active
in
the
in
the
youth
hockey
he's
very
active
in
the
organization,
and
here
he
is
man.
That's
14
played
a
bunch
of
years
in
Buffalo
played
a
bunch
of
better
two
years
to
the
Lightning.