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From YouTube: City of Oldsmar Council Budget Worksession, 7/28/2020
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A
So
excuse
me
vice
mayor.
B
A
Okay,
I
want
to
first
welcome
everybody
to
our
budget
workshop,
as
you
know,
we're
trying
to
be
fluent
and
flexible
during
this
covet
19
pandemic,
although
I
did
see
in
the
in
the
newspaper
that
pinellas
county's
positivity
rate
has
dropped
down
to
just
under
six
percent,
see
it's
positive
good
news,
we'll
take
it
so
we're
all
spread
out
and
the
council
spread
out
and
our
vice
mayor
has
dialed
in,
and
so
let's,
let's
get
the
show
on
the
road.
A
Next
two
items
on
the
agenda
is
the
invocation
and
pledge
of
allegiance
which
will
be
led
by
our
city
attorney.
Mr
tom
trent,
please
rise
our
heavenly
father
become
humbly
before
you
ask
your
divine
guidance
and
help
in
our
deliberations
this
morning
bless
the
members
of
this
council
and
the
citizens
that
are
present.
We
pray
that
our
work
this
morning
will
find
favor.
In
your
sight,
this
we
pray,
amen,
amen.
B
A
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
citizens
open
forum?
Is
there
anybody
on
this
side
of
the
room
who
would
like
to
address
the
council
seeing
none
I'll
move
to
the
other
side
of
the
room?
Is
there
anybody
seeing
none
we'll
go
ahead
and
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
review
proposed
operational
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2021
2020,
2021
and
capital
improvement
plan
for
2020
through
2026,
and
at
this
time
I
will
turn
the
microphone
over
to
our
very
capable
city
manager.
D
Mayor
before
we
start,
I
have
some
intro
slides
that
I
think
frame
the
conversation
and
the
goals
that
we
need
to
accomplish
today,
but
I
wanted
to
explain
a
couple
of
things
about
the
handouts
you
have
in
front
of
you.
Most
of
you
will
remember
the
thickest
one
was
a
request
by
the
mayor
last
year
to
incorporate
a
year-over-year
increase,
decrease
percentage
from
the
what
is
now
the
current
year
budget
figure
compared
to
the
city.
Manager's
approved
budget
figure
for
the
upcoming
year.
D
So
if
you
wanted
to
use
it
as
a
reference
feel
free,
it
parallels
the
structure
and
format
of
the
budget
document.
At
some
point,
it'll
become
obvious.
When
you
ask
a
question
from
it,
why
it's
not
part
of
the
document,
but
we'll
wait
till
we
get
there.
This
is
the
mayor's
request.
It's
handy.
I
use
it
on
categories
of
expense,
personal
services,
in
a
division
year
over
year,
if
it
looks
reasonable
with
what
I've
got
recommended
for
raises.
D
I
move
on
kind
of
an
audit
thing.
If
it
looks
unreasonable,
we
go
digging,
so
I
find
it's
most
useful
when
you
use
it
by
category,
you
will
see
it
on
each
individual
set
of
accounts
in
this
document,
so
I'm
not
suggesting
you
necessarily
have
to
compare,
but
you
can,
if
you
want
to
follow
along,
if
that
gives
rise
to
a
question,
fine.
C
Thank
you
mayor
al
is
this
versus
the
1920
budget,
as
originally
approved,
or
as
revised
like
it.
D
Has
to
be
as
revised
okay
and
that's
you
just
nailed
the
reason
why
it's
not
in
the
actual
document
and
I'll
get
to
that
when
you
ask
me
about
one
of
them
and
I'll,
tell
you
why
it
shouldn't
be
part
of
the
real
document,
but
that's
essentially
why
it'll
become
more
obvious
as
you
get
through
it.
Thank.
D
Second
thing:
we
had
staff
prepare
a
couple
of
detailed
sheets
that
are
from
the
system
for
items
that
we
normally
have
a
conversation
about.
So
you
have
the
information
on
the
breakdown.
D
D
Almost
mister,
I
handed
you
a
copy
of
an
email
I
received
from
vice
mayor
vice
mayor
norris
last
night,
isolating
identifying
the
pages
in
the
document
that
she
wanted
to
discuss.
D
With
council's
permission,
I'd
like
to
approach
the
document
the
way
I
would
normally,
which
means
in
on
a
few
of
those
cases,
I'm
going
to
be
skipping
by
that
number,
with
the
promise
that,
at
the
end
of
the
workshop,
we
will
circle
back
to
any
one
of
those
pages
that
she
still
has
a
question
on
at
the
bottom
of
that
email.
She
kind
of
said
if
the
questions
get
answered
along
the
way
so
be
it.
But
I'd
like
to
do
the
presentation,
the
way
we've
rehearsed
it
and
then
we'll
circle
back
to
any
page.
A
All
right,
so,
just
as
a
point
of
reference,
we're
gonna
at
the
end,
if
there's
something
that
the
council
has
a
question
on
we'll
go
around,
so
it's
not
any
special
treatment
for
one
council,
member
or
another.
It
accomplishes
the
same
thing.
I
think
what
you're
saying
that's
fine.
D
And
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
at
any
time.
I
didn't
want
to
necessarily
we've
rehearsed
this
ad
nauseum,
specifically
with
really
the
idea
of
not
going
over
the
details
of
every
single
page.
I
have
a
methodology
which
I
want
to
go
over
it
to
get
to
the
back
of
the
document,
and
then
you
guys
can
decide.
D
You
could
stop
me
at
any
time
and
if
we
happen
to
hit
a
page
that
I
am
covering
that's
on
vice
premier's
list,
we'll
stop
and
I'll
mention
that
so
that
you
know,
if
you
want
you
know
so
we'll
do
it
both
ways.
I
just
didn't
want
her
to
think
I
was
ignoring
the
list
for
the
page
numbers
that
weren't
part
of
what
I
thought
I
was
going
to
present.
Originally
that's
fine,
okay!
Thank
you!
Okay!
So
away
we
go
with
our
little
presentation
for
the
goals.
D
Let's
call
it
and
the
assumptions
behind
this
year's
operating
capital
budget
workshop
council
will
be
reminded
that
we're
not
required
by
charter
to
have
either
to
be
honest
with
you
and
because
of
covid.
D
We
skipped
the
capital
budget
workshop,
which
is
where
we
tend
to
just
discuss
the
capital
project
so
jd
you
want
to
hit
that
one
one
of
the
things
that
will
make
this
a
little
bit
distinguishable
from
the
normal
budget
workshop
is
that
we're
going
to
attempt
to
combine
both
operating
and
capital
into
one
again
council's
pleasure
as
to
how
you
want
to
go
about
that.
If
you
want
to
have
a
separate
entire
session
after
we're
through
with
the
operating
and
go
through
the
cip
plan,
that's
fine.
D
D
We
are
going
to
suggest
to
recommend
the
council's
pleasure
that
we
have
a
totally
separate
workshop
for
the
downtown
issues,
because
they're
so
significant
and
detailed
and
require
a
lot
of
conversation,
certainly
willing
to
answer
any
questions
raised
today.
But
that
would
be
our
recommendation.
The
fourth
item
is
discuss
project
timing
and
priorities.
D
B
D
The
bound
document,
I
don't
think,
is
as
easy
to
find
them
as
it
will
be
once
they
show
that
to
you
on
the
digital,
but
it's
kind
of
fun:
very
creative,
okay,
jd
thanks
all
right.
So
the
assumptions
for
the
document,
in
a
nutshell,
the
I
explained
to
the
council
last
night
that
this
year,
it's
presented
as
a
reduction
you've
got
to
remember
that
the
budget
is
a
plan.
That's
all
it
is
now.
I
presented
the
budget
in
total
with
an
18.2
reduction
from
the
revised
prior
year.
D
Now
remember
what
revisions
do
we
had
an
original
budget
and
we
have
internal
budget
revisions
and
we
have
council
budget
revisions.
The
internal
ones
tend
to
move
money
around,
take
something
from
one
expense
to
cover
another
expense.
Add
it
here
and
subtract
it
there,
zero
sum
game,
the
ones
that
go
in
front
of
council
tend
to
be
unappropriated
revenues
or
a
revenue
source
that
we
didn't
expect
now
being
recognized
or
appropriated
to
cover
an
unexpected
expense
that
we
didn't
expect.
D
So
those
tend
to
be
bigger
ticket
items,
but
they
have
an
effect
on
what
the
percentage
increases
and
decreases
do,
because,
obviously,
our
actual
reduction
from
the
original
budget.
What
I'm
presenting
here
is
like
three
2.2
so
really
original
to
original.
I'm
presenting
you
a
budget,
that's
2.2
percent,
less.
D
D
I
wouldn't
take
that
to
the
bank
and
say
the
city
thinks
we're
going
to
make
18.2
less
in
revenue.
That's
not
the
conclusion
to
draw,
but
we'll
get
into
that.
The
millage
rate
remains
the
same
for
our
proposed.
You
passed
at
the
21st
workshop.
Excuse
me
the
21st
meeting
that
we
can
go
no
higher
than
0.4.05,
but
again
with
the
same
theory
a
we
in
the
past
29
years
we
have
never
raised
the
millage.
This
will
be
the
13th
year
in
a
row.
We've
maintained
it.
D
I
think
you'll
find
we
don't
necessarily
do
things
because
everybody
else
does
them,
but
I
think
you'll
find
it
rare
for
cities
in
this
environment
to
go
after
a
tax
rate
increase.
I
don't
think
this
is
the
the
time
to
do
that.
We
may
have
to
do
that
in
the
future.
The
record
may
have
to
come
to
an
end,
but
not
this
year.
As
far
as
my
proposal
goes
revenue
projections
reflecting
anticipated
coven,
19
effects-
that's
obvious,
and
I
shared
with
the
council
again
my
crack
staff
with
serious
excel
skills.
D
We've
been
tracking
revenues
every
every
month
with
a
categorical
rating
on
their
sensitivity,
which
I
think
is
a
more
depth
than
most
every
other
city
gives
to
it.
But
the
purpose
of
that
was
to
try
and
give
us
the
most
recent
information
to
make
future
projections
on,
because
this
is
a
totally
new
world.
D
D
So
it's
caught
it's
possible
we're
not
planning
on
it,
but
it's
possible
that
some
of
the
expenditures
will
actually
be
reduced
in
the
budget
in
one
of
the
three
council
budget
revisions.
That's
what
I
mean
by
do
not
assume
that
this
is
a
snapshot,
but
do
not
assume
that
we
assume
that
that's
all
there's
going
to
be
now.
We
all
love
to
believe
that
it
could
be
everything
back
to
normal
and
everything
going.
You
know
gangbusters
like
the
stock
market,
which
can't
make
up
its
mind
but
seems
to
be
continually
chugging
along.
D
We
could
be
back
to
normal
and
no
problems.
It
could
also
be
the
other
way
just
know
that
we're
still
going
to
monitor
this.
This
isn't
this
is
nothing
more
than
a
picture
of
where
we
are
right
now
or
where
we
think
we'll
be
for
the
next
year.
That'll
change
as
we
go
along.
Okay,
my
personal
proposals
to
you.
This
is
my
document.
D
After
having
some
intense
meetings
with
my
department
heads
that
I'm
not
proposing
any
layoffs,
I've
discussed
this
with
most
of
you
individually.
D
I
think
if
there's
ever
been
an
environment
of
time,
where
my
employees
have
more
than
earned
their
money,
I'd
say
this:
is
it
so
I'm
not
presenting
a
budget
that
suggests
we
lay
anybody
off
now.
Having
said
that,
we've
done
this
before
in
2008
with
the
recession,
I
have
told
my
staff-
and
we've
already
done
this-
that
just
based
on
I
don't
want
to
call
it
attrition
we're
asking
for
funding
for
all
of
the
same
positions
we
normally
have.
If
somebody
chooses
to
leave
which
always
happens,
then
we
will
look.
D
I've
told
my
staff
that
only
I
can
approve
another
hire
to
fill
a
position.
That's
now
vacant.
We
look
at
the
position
and
we'll
either
wait.
We're
still
hope
we're
leaving
the
money
in
there
for
the
wreck,
but
we
may
wait
a
while
to
hire
somebody
until
we
know
more
about
whether
or
not
we'd
have
to
have
the
money
to
replace
that
position.
D
That
worked
well
for
us
the
last
time,
but
in
and
by
itself
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
cut
any
positions
same
thing
in
as
far
as
matter
increases
in
cola,
I'm
proposing
our
normal
merit
increase,
which
can
be
variable
and
certainly
council
can
make
it
whatever
they
choose
to
be
three
percent,
which
is
kind
of
our
normal
and
last
year.
Council
was
gracious
enough
to
give
us
the
cost
to
living
adjustment,
which
I'm
also
proposing
at
two
percent.
D
The
operating
expenses
you'll
notice,
both
in
percentage
and
in
flat
dollars,
continue
to
be
very
tight,
meaning
you
will
find
very
rarely
increases
that
aren't
distinct
for
a
project
or
a
particular
purpose.
We're
we
operate
in
our
operating
expense.
Sense
very
close
to
the
vest
and
every
department
head
must
justify
every
expense
of
every
account
to
us
in
the
meetings,
and
we
could
produce
itemized
detail
on
any
of
those
that
you
need.
You'll
see
it
in
some
of
the
ones
that
we
tend
to
talk
about
rolling
stock.
D
The
other
thing
I
implemented
this
year,
you
know
I
did
this
two
years
ago-
was
that
I
changed
our
replacement
schedule
and
bumped
it
out
a
little
bit
by
it
was
normally
10
years
straight
up.
I
made
it
12
and
the
vehicle
had
to
have
50
000
miles
on
it
before
we'd.
Consider
replacing
it
in
individual
cases.
D
D
In
all
cases,
except
one,
I've
delayed
I've
pushed
back
all
of
our
rolling
stock
that
was
due
to
be
purchased
and
I'll
beat
you
to
the
punch,
because
all
of
you
should
immediately
think,
if
not
say
in
that
sense
kicking
the
can
down
the
road's,
not
helping
anything
because
we're
going
to
have
to
buy
them
sometime.
I
am
aware
of
that,
but
for
initial
october
1
purposes
we're
delaying
it
all.
D
I'm
trying
to
do
is
do
what
I
did
before,
which
is
get
a
little
bit
more
time
and
a
little
bit
more
mileage
out
of
the
vehicles
we've
already
got.
We
will
address
that
as
we
go
along
the
the
one
exception.
I'll
explain
is
in
the
public
safety
fund.
I'll
explain
why
capital
projects
were
delayed
to
prepare
for
the
effects
of
covet
19..
D
D
Well,
that's
nice,
but
that
means
we
got
to
come
up
with
the
5.2
as
an
example.
So
those
are
decisions
you're
going
to
have
to
make
you're,
probably
not
going
to
have
to
make
them
today,
because,
as
you
saw
yesterday,
I
bumped
a
lot
of
the
capital
back
to
splitting
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
get
started
on,
but
saving
the
whole
project
cost
for
another
year
and
in
the
one
case,
the
big,
the
largest
of
them.
D
I
just
bumped
it
out
of
here
because
it
wouldn't
be
likely
it's
not
to
say
we
won't
do
it.
It's
just
to
say
we
wouldn't
likely
start
it
next
year
anyway.
So
call
it
a
kick.
The
can
mentality
to
a
degree,
but
I'm
not
trying
to
say
we're
not
doing
any
of
those
things
until
we
know
what
the
unknowns
are.
It's
really
difficult
to
assume
that
we
are
doing
everything
on
the
normal
schedule
jd.
D
As
we
explained
when
council
approved
the
renewal,
we
had
budgeted
a
five
percent
health
insurance
increase,
which
is
exactly
what
it
came
in
at
and
we've
made
no
other
benefit
changes
and
there
were
no
other
benefit
cost
increases,
which
is
good
news,
bad
news,
if
you
want
to
call
it.
This
is
the
league
of
cities
who
has
traditionally
been
our
property
and
liability
insurance
carrier
has
given
us
a
10
increase
which
is
not
the
end
of
the
world,
but
it's
not
routine.
For
them.
D
There
have
been
years
where
we've
gotten
a
premium
return
in
the
form
of
a
check
that
they
walk
around
for
feel
good
in
november
to
say
they
take
the
reserves
from
their
experience,
mod
on
the
property
side
and
give
it
back
to
the
members.
I
would
doubt
that's
going
to
happen
this
year,
because
they're,
obviously
anticipating
that
they're
going
to
need
more
for
their
reinsurance
and
their
brokered
insurance,
so
they're
passing
on
the
cost
to
us
you'll
see
that
throughout
the
document,
solid
waste
is
going
to
be
a
big
topic.
D
I'm
proposing
a
two
dollar
intensity
increase,
which
sounds
mighty
specific
and
obviously
council
make
that
decision.
The
reason
I'm
proposing.
That
is
because
I
anticipate
at
the
end
of
our
contract
with
republic,
which
will
be
september
30
2021
we're
going
to
get
walloped
if
we
bid
the
coverage
for
solid
waste,
pickup
and
recycling.
D
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
only
low
double-digit
increases
would
be
great
news
and
we
have
a
timing
example
of
something
that
just
happened
in
hillsborough
county,
one
of
the
first
things
bonnie
wise
did
when
she
was
named
county
administrator.
Was
she
increased
the
solid
waste
rates
in
hillsborough
county
25
percent
on
the
spot?
B
D
So
right
now
the
fact
that
the
county
has
increased
those
fees
and
is
going
to
continue
to
doesn't
really
have
a
significant
effect
on
us,
but
you
can
bet
your
bottom
dollar
that,
when
the
contract
is
over
the
next
contract,
whether
it's
with
republic
or
somebody
else
via
bid
process,
is
going
to
be
ugly
and
I've
been
telling
you
guys
this
for
about
three
years
in
a
row
now
andrew,
I
remember
you
mentioning
it
in
one
of
your
campaign
and
I
was
very
intelligently
presented.
Oh
wait.
I
said
it
no
you're
the
way
you
presented.
D
It
was
exactly
the
way
it
needed
to
be
said.
It's
it's
nobody's
fault.
Now
you
add
the
recycling
problems
to
that
and
that's
my
attempt
to
tie
this
back
to
us.
We
charge
we
currently
charge
residential
customers
18
a
month.
Okay,
that
gives
us
some
a
little
bit
of
profit
that
includes
us
paying
for
recycling.
D
You
know
we
have.
We
have
single
stream
just
a
point
of
clarity,
every
account
whether
you
use
it
or
not,
has
to
pay
it,
which
means
we
have
to
pay
it
for
four
thousand
eight
hundred
and
for
whatever
the
4800
accounts
we
have.
We
pay
two
dollars
and
ten
cents
for
every
account
for
recycling,
whether
they
use
it
or
not.
Now,
we've
seen
because
this
crescendo
or
decrescendo
has
occurred.
D
Safety
harbor,
council
last
year,
initially
stopped
doing
recycling
altogether
and
then
changed
their
minds.
It's
probably
because
of
public
backlash,
which
is
fine.
D
Then
I
want
to
pull
the
210
out
that
we
currently
pay
for
out
of
the
18
still
charge
18
charge
the
customer
210.
So
they
see
because
we
have
some
people
that
religiously
recycle
some
people
that
don't
that
they
see
that
they're
gonna
have
to
pay
for
recycling.
D
That's
that's
a
charge
now,
in
effect,
that's
a
two
dollar
intensity
increase
to
the
whole
thing,
but
I'm
suggesting
that
the
cost
of
both
of
these,
if
we
maintain
both
services,
is
going
to
be
so
much
higher
that
the
two
dollars
we
get
this
year
will
actually
help
a
little
with
the
pain
of
what's
likely
to
happen
next
year.
So
that's
my
recommendation.
D
We'll
talk
about
it
when
we
get
to
solid
waste,
if
you
want,
if
council,
if
it
pleases
council,
we
could
also
make
that
a
topic
of
conversation
at
a
subsequent
workshop
as
long
as
it
was
in
time
to
finalize
the
budget,
but
that's
what's
in
the
budget,
okay,
so
we
have
no
rate
increases
proposed
for
water
or
sewer.
We
have
no
real
increases
proposed
for
storm
water.
D
I
mentioned
briefly
before
we
have.
We
needed
discussion
on
grant
funding
versus
project
cost.
That
might
be
another
one
for
a
workshop,
but
that's
a
factor
for
us.
I
stole
this
one
from
something
I
read.
This
is
an
interesting
kind
of
way
to
piece
it
all
together,
we're
in
an
increased
debt
and
reduced
revenue
environment.
That's
generally
bad
news,
just
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
we
happen
to
take
on
six
million
dollars
of
debt
for
the
harvard
bombs
project.
D
Well,
we're
now
in
an
increased
debt
position
at
the
same
time
as
luck
would
not
have
it
in
an
environment
where
we're
probably
going
to
get
reduced
revenue,
not
it's!
It's
not
bad
in
the
sense
that
the
roof
is
caving
in.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
we're
fine,
I
just
say,
as
an
overall
arching
theme,
to
say
that.
Well,
that's
true!
If
you
have
more
out
the
window
or
out
the
door
to
pay
bills
that
you
need
to
well
having
less
money
to
do,
it
is
generally
not
good
news.
We're
we're
nowhere
near
any
trouble.
D
D
D
We
talked
about
scaffolding,
we
talked
about
concrete
pillars
so
that,
if
cost
is
unmanageable,
we
could
decide
to
fix
it
but
fix
it
a
different
way.
That's
that's
the
plan.
That's
the
game
plan!
Okay,
bless!
You!
Thank
you!
Jd!
We
finished
one
more
future
considerations
consider
a
separate
work
session.
We
talked
about
that.
That's
council's
pleasure,
just
the
recommendation
lasting
impacts
of
covid.
We
already
talked
about
that.
The
cra
expiration
is
not
something
we
had
to
deal
with
now,
but
everybody's
got
to
know.
2026
is
the
end
of
the
cra
agreement,
ordinance.
D
I
wouldn't
say
it's
likely
that
the
county
would
be
entertaining
renewals
for
it,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we're
not
going
to
try.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
a
factor,
probably
this
year
or
next
year,
but
we've
already
started
discussions
with
the
county
on
the
possibility
of
what
would
it
take
for
us
to
try
and
get
it
renewed
for
another
30
or
anything
else
when
we
get
to
that
point,
just
know
that
it's
out
there
it
does
affect
possibly
the
out
years
of
the
capital
right,
because
that
goes
out
that
far
secession
planning.
D
We
always
talk
about
succession
planning
and
our
strategic
plans
this
year.
The
focus
is
on
planning
and
redevelopment,
because
marie
is
leaving
us
after
nine.
What
900
years
maria
has
given
us
great
service
for
33
years
and
she's
retiring
december
31st,
so
we're
going
to
have
the
wickedest
social
distance
party
ever
yeah,
but
obviously
the
plan
the
funding
is
in
the
budget
for
her
position
for
the
entire
year.
D
D
Okay,
imminent,
solid
waste
recycling
fee
increases.
We
talked
about,
monitor,
covet
19
effects
on
revenues
which
we
will
continue
to
do,
and
the
garage
oldsmar
town
center
funding
and
debt
repayment
will
be
another
topic
of
conversation,
probably
for
pieces
here
and
then
maybe
for
an
entire
workshop
down
the
road.
If
council
wants
that
all
right,
so
that's
the
framework.
D
As
far
as
the
document
goes,
I'm
going
to
present
the
general
fund
and
then
cindy's
going
to
present
the
special
revenue
funds
and
401
and,
depending
on
council
pleasure,
I'm
hoping
that
the
questions
required
to
cover
the
capital
items
will
be
covered
as
we
go
along
because
the
capital
is
part
of
the
operating
budget
page.
So
if
you
feel
at
the
end
of
it
that
you
either
want
to
have
a
separate
section
on
pages,
I
think
it's
200
191
and
beyond.
We
can
do
that.
A
You
could
simply
ask:
is
there
anything
that
somebody
would
like
to
ask
a
question
on
the
capital
improvement
framework
period,
because
sometimes
it's
a
question
on
timing,
whether
it
should
be
pushed
out
further,
whether
you
know
perfect,
and
you
need
that
document
to
show
how
far
out
the
winner's
in
year,
six.
D
D
Does
the
budget
message
is
kind
of
a
lot
of
what
I've
just
mentioned,
with
a
few
more
specifics
about
numbers
and
the
let's
say
the
narrative
descriptions
of
the
projects
so
between
10,
12
and
15,
I
would
say
we'll
follow,
we'll
follow
back
up
with
that
with
any
specific
questions,
but
I
think
we'll
cover
most
of
it
on
the
actual
number
pages.
D
So
then
we
keep
going
you'll
see
on
page
18.
We
have
a
recap
of
the
strategic
vision
and
mission
statements,
and
I
think
I've
gave
the
cheerleader
speech
before,
but
this
is
the
best
graphic
document.
I've
ever
seen.
Thanks
to
my
creative
people
that
get
bored
and
put
pictures
of
our
yields
and
pictures,
because
this
wasn't
enough,
they
make
budgets
fun,
it
is,
they
do
make
it
fun
and
it
was
a
great
idea.
I
can't
even
tell
you
I
remember
who
had
it,
but
I
suspect
it
was
one
of
you
guys.
D
A
few
years
ago,
we
made
a
contest
out
of
the
public,
submitting
pictures
which
are
we
give
prizes
for
and
are
in
the
document,
which
I
think
was
another
great
touch.
So
I'm
moving
on
the
pictures,
I'm
going
by
pages
20
21
23,
is
a
description
kind
of
of
oldsmar
history.
I
think
you'd
find
a
lot
of
that
is
the
same
as
it
was
last
year,
not
a
whole
lot
of
new
history
and
then
20
page
26,
the
community
profile
kind
of
a
statistical
way
to
look
at
things.
D
You
might
want
to
say
at
social
events
to
break
the
iso
parties,
our
population
and
how
many
accounts
we
have
how
many
parks
we
have.
Thank
you
for
laughing.
Somebody
left.
Thank
you
I
was
doing.
Is
this
on?
D
Thank
you
so
and
then
the
economics
of
it
sometimes
good
to
know
who
our
principal
employers
are
especially
with
taxes,
and
then
we
get
into
the
actual
budget
process
moving
on
to
pages
28,
29
and
the
budget
process.
This
is
actually
one
of
the
reasons
we
get
the
gfoa
award,
because
the
budget
is
the
gfoa
takes
this
really
seriously
that
the
budget
is
a
communications
document,
so
the
actual
financial
policies
have
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
the
budget
calendar
has
to
be
a
part
of
it.
D
So
you
could
for
those
of
you
that
absorbed
like
sponges.
You
could
really
learn
a
boatload
about
what
goes
on
here,
reading
the
budget
and
if
you
were
really
a
glutton
for
punishment,
the
kafir,
because
that's
where
everything
that's
required
to
be
presented,
it's
there.
If
you
have
a
few
years
to
read
you're
in
good
shape,
all
right
page
32
is
more
policies,
page
33.
What
did
we
get
to
the
first
spirit?
One?
Okay,
somebody
gotta
kick
me
all
right,
34
and
then
35.
D
We
had
the
funds
description,
just
kind
of
again
it's
required
by
gfoa
to
outline
what
kind
of
funds
we
have,
how
many
what
they
do
and
then
the
first
page.
I
really
wanted
to
start
with
any
kind
of
discussion
on
was
37,
although
I
think
it's
pretty
much
familiar
to
all
of
you,
that
being
the
citywide
org
chart.
D
D
Thank
you
for
saying
that
yeah
I
mean
you
were
the
one
who's
gonna
notice
before
anybody.
So
thank
you
for
noticing
that
or
concluding
that.
Okay,
so
again,
more
just
financial
information,
page
38,
the
department
of
the
fund
relationship,
that's
required
by
gfoa,
just
tells
you
where
the
division
is
what
the
division
is
named
and
if
a
particular
function
exists
in
more
than
one
fund.
Best
example
is
fire
rescue?
You
can
see
it's
division
132.
D
It
exists
in
the
general
fund.
It
also
exists
in
another
fund
that
being
the
public
safety
fund,
where
we
have
funding
placed
in
there
from
ad
valorem
to
use
for
capital
budget
items,
so
that
just
tells
you,
if
there's
more
than
one
place,
to
find
a
particular
set
of
funding,
then
the
budget
guide
continues
on
39..
D
This
is
revenue
forecast
methodology.
This
isn't
real
scientific.
I
would
tell
you
that
my
35
years
of
this
have
served
me
better
in
revenue,
forecasting
methodology
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
with
covert
you
can
throw
all
that
out
this.
Some
of
this,
when
you
hear
us,
say
historical
trend,
analysis,
that's
a
fancy
way
of
saying
we're
guessing
based
on
what
we
usually
get.
D
Yes,
like
way
overly
optimistic
and
the
penny
for
pinellas,
which
you
could
understand
the
theory
behind
that.
Traditionally,
the
penny
for
pinellas,
because
there's
always
a
public
relations
campaign
about
wanting
to
get
it
passed,
is
how
can
I
be
polite,
really
overly
optimistic,
like
they'll,
they
usually
project
the
10
years
of
take
for
each
of
the
cities,
and
usually
it's
never
anywhere
close
to
that
it's
you
know
trying
to
shovel
the
good
news.
D
Okay,
so
moving
on,
we've
got
the
budget
guide,
which
again
just
tells
the
methodology
of
how
we
go
about
predicting
revenues
based
on
the
fund
or
the
actual
revenue
source,
and
then
an
important
page
is
page
42,
where
our
debt
outstanding
is
first
and
foremost
our
outstanding
debt.
As
of
9
30
19
was
488
dollars
per
capita,
which
is
among
the
lowest
of
any
city
in
the
state
period.
D
You
don't
generally
get
the
comparisons
against
all
states,
although
I'm
sure
we
could
do
that
as
a
research
project,
you
get
them
by
states
in
your
category,
but
for
our
category,
that's
extremely
low,
even
with
the
new
debt
we've
taken
on
and
the
other
thing
that
you
always
want
to
stay
away
from
with
the
debt
picture.
Is
you
never
if
you
have
go
debt
general
obligation,
debt,
meaning
debt,
that
required
taxing
authority
or
taxing
the
citizens
to
pay
for?
That's
generally
bad.
Do
you
hear
generally?
D
If
you
ever
hear
pension
obligation
buns,
I
think
I
said
buns
excuse
me:
pension
obligation,
bonds.
I
think
you'll
find
generally
are
really
bad,
because
it's
like
saying
well,
we
can't
meet
our
pension
obligations,
so
we
have
to
borrow
money
in
order
to
do
that.
You'll
never
see
that
here
bruce
never
would
have
we
didn't
have
to.
D
We
were
structured,
you
know
conservatively
we
didn't
have
to
and
we
will
never
have
go
debt
if
we
have
to
have
geo
debt
we're
in
trouble,
but
that
would
require
a
referendum
anyway
and
it's
not
something
we
were
able
to
go
to.
So
all
with
this.
While
this
looks
like
a
lot
of
money
and
more
money
than
we
usually
have
look
at
the
first,
the
first
one
is
the
suntrust
refunded
revenue
note,
which
represented
the
last
couple
of
payments
for
veterans
park
which
we
purchased
for
2
million
and
02..
D
So
that's
almost
done
so
that'll
fall
off.
I
think
you
got
this
one
and
two
more
2022
it'll
be
gone.
The
next
three
belong
to
the
revenue.
The
enterprise
fund.
One
was
for
the
water
booster
station,
the
tank
on
commerce,
the
second
and
third
ones
were
for
the
what
the
ro
plant,
so
both
all
those
the
water
booster
station
will
also
go
away
in
2022.
D
So
we're
almost
done
with
that.
Both
the
two
srf
loans
for
the
water
supply
will
be
around
till
2032
and
the
one
on
the
bottom
is
the
one
we
just
took
for
harbor
palm.
So
we're
still
in
really
good
shape.
It's
not
it's
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
increased
from
yes
from
last
year,
but
we're
still
in
great
shape.
Okay,
page
43,
we're
actually
getting
to
the
summaries
now
so
page
45,
which
is
compiled
by
amy,
is
actually
pretty
close.
D
If
not
exactly
what
you'll
see
in
the
newspaper
for
the
budget
summary
ad
now,
obviously
it
would
change
based
on
what
you
guys
may
change
in
it,
but
this
is
the
format
that
the
trim
manual
requires
to
put
in
the
ad
you'll
usually
see,
depending
on
how
much
your
expenditures
are
compared
to
last
year.
Sometimes
you
have
to
say
that
in
the
header,
but
you
have
to
have
like
a
quarter
page
ad
that
says
notice
of
tax
increase.
Well,
wait.
We
didn't
increase
taxes.
D
Well,
you
didn't
increase
the
rate,
but
if
the
values
go
up,
that's
still
a
rating,
that's
still
a
levy
increase
because
people
still
pay
more
taxes.
It's
an
attempt
by
the
state
department
of
revenue
to
tell
the
truth.
It
confuses
more
people
than
it
teaches,
but
it
still
works
well.
This
is
a
really
excellent
way
to
look
at
everything.
D
A
Yes,
sir,
I
have
a
question
on
the
cra
is
the
reason
that
it
doesn't
appear,
there's
any
revenues
or
minimal
expense.
I
should
say
well,
there's
some
expense
in
there
in
that
fund
is
relevant
to
wanting
to
do
a
workshop
for
downtown,
because
I
noticed
the
the
money
that
we
would
anticipate
while
we
don't
have
a
signed
contract
from
the
sale
of
the
one
acre
to
simone,
not
in
here
right.
D
Correct,
okay:
we
would
handle
that
with
a
budget
revision,
but
I
it
was
probably
just
more
wanting
to
be
super
conservative
and
in
that
sense,
but
you're
right
I
mean
there's
no
reason
why
that
won't
happen.
So
it
was
just
being
overly
conservative
and
we
that's
something
we
could
change.
I
mean
if
council
says,
go
ahead
and
assume
we're
going
to
make
and
I
think
that's
actually
a
fair
assumption,
but
we
could
talk
more
about
that
when
we
get
to
the
page.
But
to
that
specific
point
I
agree
with
you.
A
D
A
D
All
right
so
page
47
is
a
different
way
to
look
at
the
expenditures.
This
one,
I
love,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
if
you
compare
it
to
page
seven,
there's
a
pie
chart
which
actually,
I
think,
really
takes
this
data
and
outlines
the
percentage
of
each
type
of
expense
or
in
this
case,
expenditure
of
the
pie
of
the
whole
pie.
D
Okay,
so
in
my
world
being
from
the
finance
side,
the
balance
associated
with
the
three
big
categories,
that
being
personal
services
operating
in
capital,
shows
strength,
and
traditionally
we
are
very
strong
because
we're
normally
pretty
close
to
level
between
those
three
and
in
this
year
again
we're
31
personal
services,
29
operating
29
capital,
so
that
that's
something
that
I
do
because,
obviously
these
are
things
I'm
proposing
to
keep
that
balance.
30,
because
you
know
you
have
you
have
reserves
and
obviously
you'll
see
our
reserves
have
been
cut
way
down
because
of
circumstance.
D
D
Obviously,
debt
service,
you
can
see,
went
up
and
the
transfers
slightly
up
and
the
reserves
slightly
down,
but
that's
a
picture
of
the
whole
pie,
all
funds
by
category
and
kind
of
a
percentage
basis.
Okay,
page
48:
this
is
all
funds
revenue
with
a
little
bit
more
breakdown
and
a
lot
of
guesswork.
Here,
remember
the
themes
and
the
ad
valorem.
D
I
say
a
be
cautious
of
that,
because
the
translation
as
to
whether
or
not
that
ends
up
being
that
way
probably
has
more
to
do
with
whether
there
are
foreclosures
picking
up,
because
the
levy
just
means.
We
anticipated
the
values
which,
right
now
in
my
neighborhood,
it's
more
than
true,
because
people
either
are
paying
more
attention
to
the
value
of
their
homes
because
they
can't
leave
their
homes
or
don't
want
to,
and
it
seems
to
be
true,
but
as
the
economics
of
what
happens
because
of
covet.
D
If
the
continues
to
deteriorate,
the
proof
is
in
the
pudding.
We
normally
get
the
meat
chunk
of
our
ad
valorem
in
december
and
january
so
by
december
and
january,
the
people
that
take
advantage
of
the
discount
either
paying
through
the
mortgage
or
paying
by
november.
First,
that's
why
the
big
money
comes
in
then
so
that'll
be
our
first
sign
as
to
whether
or
not
the
six
percent
stated
increase
is
really
translating
we'll.
D
Then
go
back
down
another
year
or
another
half
year
and
you'll
see
what
we've
talked
about
before
the
possibility
that
the
real
effect
on
real
estate
may
not
be
happening
for
another
year
or
two.
So
the
the
reason
we
budget
with
the
numbers
as
if
nothing's
wrong,
is
really
the
law
the
law
says,
and
the
theory
behind
this
is
as
an
old
basketball,
coach
sandbagging
comes
natural
to
most
of
us,
the
real
reason
you
have
to
budget
95
of
your
ad
valorem
tax
revenues.
D
You
can't
do
it
without
valorem
taxes
by
law,
so
that's
a
little
dangerous,
because
if
it
turns
out
the
receipts
aren't
there
well,
then
that
could
be
a
problem.
We
don't
anticipate
it
being
a
problem,
that's
of
major
significance,
but
since
that's
the
number
one
revenue
source
we
have
in
terms
of
dollar
amount
significance,
it's
obviously
pretty
important
to
keep
track
of
it.
So
what
you'll
see
here
is
it
looks
like
a
regular
year.
6.6
increase.
D
Hope,
that's
true
could
be
more
because
so
far
the
initial
reaction
seems
to
be.
People
are
really
buying
up
houses.
Even
more
so
wait
and
see.
You'll
see
the
others.
Thematically,
we've
done
a
lot
more
in
reducing
the
those
specifically
those
that
are
related
to
sales
taxes,
because
anything
related
to
the
economy.
If
the
economy
takes
a
hit,
we
get
a
percentage
of
the
percentage
is
likely
to
be
less
so
it
translates.
D
We
did,
as
I
told
you
before,
trying
to
evaluate
the
sensitivity
of
every
single
revenue
account
in
the
profile
for
what
we
consider
to
be
those
that
would
be
hit
the
worst
to
those
who
date,
the
least,
to
those
that
we
would
know
exactly
how
much
they
would
be
hit.
So
I'm
pretty
comfortable
that
our
projection
here
is
decent,
but
going
back
to
the
part
about
the
possibility
that
that
could
continually
change.
I
hope
it
changes
for
the
better,
but
it
could
deteriorate.
We
don't
know
so.
In
this
particular
case.
D
C
A
Have
we
seen
any
trend
so
far
as
it
relates
to
building
permits
in
terms
of
a
decrease
in
demand.
D
Not
activity
wise,
we
have
obviously
not
as
many
people
coming
in,
but
we
have
a
way
they
can
do
business
and
I
think
it's
too
early
to
tell
for
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
What
was
the
sensitivity
that
those
were
ultra
sensitive,
so
we
projected
30
reduction.
Our
categorical
approach
to
that
was
the
high
sensitivity
stuff
we
assumed
was
going
to
be
a
30
reduction.
Okay,
so
for
the
future
year
the
four
or
five
budget
categories
building
electrical
mechanical.
We
projected
a
30
reduction.
D
E
A
And
then,
once
again
in
the
area
of
impact
fees
and
assessments,
I'm
assuming
we're
not
looking
at
anything
related
to
downtown
got
yeah
got
too
much
conjecture
right
now.
You
know-
and
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
us
going
in
this
real
conservative,
because
I
know
there's
some
issues
laying
out
there
that
nobody
really
knows
what
they
are
yet,
and
so
I
think,
I
think,
for
this
council
it's
going
to
be
extremely
important
in
terms
of
making
adjustments
to
the
budget
as
we
find
more
and
more
stuff
out.
So
to
your
point,
yeah.
D
A
So
I
have
a
question
when
you
put
in
a
request:
do
you
deny
anything
in
yours.
C
D
All
right
so
we'll
get
into
the
details
of
this,
because
I
know
I'm
gonna
get
hammered,
but
this
particular
is
a
snapshot
of
all
the
divisions
in
the
manager
approved
budget
against
the
current
year.
Revised
budget
all
right
moving
on
so
another
look
at
the
general
fund,
specifically
by
category,
and
I
like
to
do
that
same
thing,
and
my
staff
gave
it
to
me
if
I
can
see
it
so
what
you'll
notice
in
the
general
fund
by
category
or
the
personal
services
percentage
of
the
whole
is
a
little
higher.
D
So
that's
part
of
the
entire
picture
where
the
balance
is,
but
because
the
capital
for
general
fund
rarely
has
a
boat
load
in
it.
You
see
less
than
500
000.
So
you
can
see
why
that
almost
skews
the
percentage
of
the
pie
that
goes
to
the
personal
services.
It's
where
most
of
the
people
are
budgeted
where
the
least
of
the
capital
is
budgeted.
D
Okay,
any
questions
there
page
53
is
the
additional
breakdown
on
the
revenues
just
for
general
fund
you'll
see
the
increase
in
that
valorem,
which
we
talked
about.
You'll
see
a
significant
decrease
projected
for
building
permits
and
sales
tax
related
items.
But
again
I
go
back
to
the
part
about
changing
on
the
fly.
As
we
know
more.
The
budget
revisions
for
the
year
coming
will
be
very,
very
important
because
we'll
be
making
likely
adjustments
three
times
any
questions.
D
C
D
D
D
D
Budget
no
reality.
Yes,
last
year
or
I
guess
it
was.
Last
year
we
gave
10
000
to
both
the
elementary
schools
right
for
programs,
so
we
ended
up
spending
85.
there
was
another
was
another
little
thing.
What
was
that?
Who
the
warrior?
Oh
and
the
warrior
games?
Oh
yeah,
so
that
that
wasn't
budgeted
because
that's
not
recurring
and
the
schools
didn't
make
any
requests.
So
we
didn't
budget
any,
but.
A
A
B
So
I
would
like
to
request:
I
need
to
get
those
hand
out
and
then,
if
you
don't
mind
I
didn't
realize
I
was
the
one
that
was
supposed
to
go
back.
I
always
wanted
to
listen
to
unused.
I
won't
make
that
mistake
again.
Alvin
answered
most
of
my
questions
on
many
of
these
pages,
but
if
you
all
will
give
me
the
courtesy
of
just
going
back
to
age
28
and
realize
I
was
going
to
use,
may
I
do
that.
May
I
ask
a
quick
question
on
page.
A
D
To
timing
we
have
budgeted,
we
haven't,
walked
away
from
any
grant
that
we've
already
been
awarded,
but
the
budget
is
generally
trying
to
present
the
year.
We
hope
to
receive
it.
So
in
cases
we
might
have
to
re-budget
the
same
amount.
If
it
was
something
like
the
state
appropriation,
we
got
that
we
didn't
get
yet
and
in
other
cases
we
have
already
got
a
piece
of
it.
So
we
can't
budget
it
again.
So
no,
I
don't
think
that's
got
anything
to
do
with
covid.
D
If,
if
there's
a
reduction
in
grants
to
be
had,
I
don't
know
that
I
think
that's
hit
us
yet,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
it.
In
fact,
I
think
we've
been
awarded
two
grants
for
the
past
a
couple
of
months
right:
okay,.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that'd
probably
be
a
good
idea.
You
know,
as
you
can
tell
we're
all
kind
of
rolling
through
it
and
I
think
a
lot
of
our
questions
probably
have
been
answered
in
the
course
of
the
presentation,
as
well
as
maybe
even
beforehand
where
we
wanted
something.
So
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
idea.
B
B
D
It:
okay,
here's
where
the
a
couple
of
things
have
occurred.
I
made
it
clear
to
department
directors
at
the
outset
of
the
budget
that
I
was
only
considering
one
promotion
normally,
as
you
might
imagine,
the
department
meetings
are
wonderful
exercises
of
how
I
get
to
say
no
to
the
thousands
of
things
that
my
department
heads
want
to
do
for
their
brilliant
department.
D
People
and
this
year
is
no
different,
but
I
told
them
not
to
do
it
anyway,
because
it
wasn't
that
I
necessarily
anticipated
covid,
but
that
kind
of
made
the
no
part
easy,
because
I
didn't
anticipate
there
was
going
to
be
much
of
anything
that
we
were
going
to
expand
on,
and
I
like
to
tie
these
to
things
that
actually
people
do
more
than
they
used
to
do
or
required
to
do
more.
D
D
I
apologize
ahead
of
time,
but
I
was
the
de
facto
personnel
director
for
the
city
of
madura
beach
for
12
years
and
I
had
never
come
across
anybody
in
any
city
other
than
largo,
where
they
had
10
people
in
clearwater.
They
had
10
people
that
knew
more
about
the
governmental
environment,
on
benefits
in
hr
than
I
did,
and
she
makes
me
look
like
an
idiot,
so
she
proved
me
instantly
and
quickly
way
before
any
of
this
happened
that
I'd
really
like
to
make
her
a
department
head.
D
Those
of
you
that
have
been
around
for
a
while
we've
had
some
political
nonsense
with
some
things
that
happen
in
the
personnel
situation,
because
that
position
answered
directly
to
at
the
time.
What
would
have
been
me
or
my
predecessor,
and
I
think
this
organization
functions
much
better
because,
like
a,
I
can
trust
her
b.
She
knows
everything
that
she
needs
to
know
she's
a
great
workhorse
and
even
though
those
are
reasons
for
the
person,
the
position,
in
my
opinion,
really
needs
to
be
independent,
so
currently
she's
a
member
of
administrative
services.
D
Her
direct
report
is
to
cindy
the
director
of
administrative
services.
She
has
a
role
in
payroll.
She
has
a
role
in
budget.
She
has
a
role
in
benefits,
administration
that
are
all
finance
related.
That
will
still
be
true
because
part
of
segregation
of
duties
requires
that,
but
I
think
she's
more
than
proven,
we've
gotten
so
much
more
done
with
her
that
the
other
thing
that
happened,
that's
a
cost
escalator
is
we
asked
permission
the
june
budget
revision
to
make
the
hr
technician
a
full-time
position.
That's
another
thing.
I've
wanted
for
years
now.
D
D
We
asked
jen
jen.
We
really
need
this.
In
fact,
felicia
and
I
have
one
part-time
administrative
assistant.
If
that
part-time
assistant
ever
retired
I'd
be
asking
for
a
full-time
assistant
and
that's
one
person
to
serve
both
she
and
I
so
from
the
budget
standpoint.
What
happened
here
was
in
the
middle
of
this
year
that
specifically,
actually
being
the
june
budget
revision,
we
added
money
to
turn
a
part-time
position
into
a
full-time
position
that
being
jens.
You
approved
it
in
the
june
budget.
Division
from
the
budget
column
standpoint.
Think
of
what
happened.
D
D
The
other
is,
I
stole
michelle
from
that
position
out
of
direct
out
of
administrative
services
over
to
city
manager,
so
in
essence,
I've
create
I've
taken
on
two
new
full-time
positions
in
my
budget
and
that's
why
the
personal
service
number
is
blown
out
or
looks
blown
up
any
questions.
C
I
just
had
one
comment
that
from
the
get-go
I
actually
never
quite
understood
why
human
resources
wasn't
a
separate
department
head
and
I
am
actually
really
pleased
to
see
it
pulled
out,
not
just
because
this
particular
person
is
fantastic,
but
because,
for
practical
reasons
it
makes
sense
to
me
to
be
a
separate
department
head.
But.
A
C
D
I
wouldn't
have,
I
wouldn't
have
recommended
it
if
it
hadn't
been
for
michelle,
but
it
it's
exactly
what
I
was
looking
for.
I
was
looking
for
somebody
that
had
the
skill
set
that
I
said,
I
know
I
could
let
them
make
independent
decisions
because
of
their
knowledge
and
experience
in
the
government,
environment
and
she's
the
first
person
since
I've
been
here
that
I
felt
had
that
skill
set.
D
And-
and
you
know
logistically
she's
right
there
anyway,
but
it's
one
less
step
in
the
process
since
I
tend
to
get
involved
in
probably
more
of
those
things
than
I
should
anyway,
but
I
I
I
think,
we're
better
suited
with
that
level
of
independence,
and
that's
why
I
recommend
it.
A
D
Okay,
special
pay
is
a
couple
of
things.
We
have
a
christmas
bonus
that
we
give
to
employees
each
year
of
a
hundred
dollars
and
I
think
50
for
part-time,
and
then
we
have
service
awards.
D
If
somebody
reaches
a
five-year
service
milestone
10-year
15-20,
so
they
depend
that
goes
tends
to
go
all
over
the
map,
because
you
know
you
make
the
five
and
then
you
don't
get
anything
for
another
five.
So
it's
those
two
things
anything
else:
oh
yeah,
the
sick
payout,
the
sick
payout
is
tougher
to
predict.
D
We
do
predict
it,
we
budget
for
it,
but
that
tends
to
change
because
we
might
project
something
and
then
you
use
some
sick
leave
and
you
don't
get
as
much
so
that
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
nail
on
the
budget
side.
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you!
So
the
operating
expenses,
which
you'll
also
notice,
increase
significantly.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
mayor
on
page
61.,
correct.
That's.
A
B
Okay,
I'm
just
curious,
and
I've
noticed
it
throughout
as
well.
On
a
couple
of
other
departments,
a
difference
between
a
large
ask-
and
I
was
just
wondering
on
education
and
training,
the
ask
was
9
500
and
it
was
approved.
5
000
is
it
is
are
these
are
the
asks
for
these
things
because
we're
making
up
for
lost
time
because
of
covet,
and
we
can't
do
anything
or
is
there?
Is
it
just
that
it
wasn't
determined
that
it
was
important.
B
D
D
So
what
one
thing
we
did
here
on
personal
services,
which
represents
the
increase,
is
we
did
allow
one
of
her
part-time
staff
to
increase
their
hours
by
five
per
week,
so
that
justified
the
year-over-year
increase
categorically
was
seven,
and
normally,
I
would
say
five
to
me-
would
be
acceptable
move
on
the
extra
two
was
we
allowed
one
of
our
part-timers
to
to
work
five
hours
more
per
week.
A
D
In
this
case
this
year,
it's
municode,
we
have
a
munico
project
scheduled,
which
is
why
that
increase
is
so
significant.
There
is
an
itemized
budget
on
it.
What
else
is
in
there
is
that
elections
hands
off.
B
D
D
Obviously,
in
the
we
have
a
contract
legal
relationship
with
tom
and
several
other
firms,
we
have
a
pension
attorney.
We
have
a
labor
attorney.
We
happen
to
have
a
construction
attorney
for
the
bmx
case.
So
in
this
particular
case
the
total
of
professional
services
and
john
has
put
up
the
breakdown
there,
and
there
is
also
one
in
your
handout.
D
Tom
is
still
the
bargain
of
the
century,
even
with
an
increased
retainer.
The
monthly
billings
estimate
was
partially
because
some
of
the
side
work
that
we
may
pay
him
for.
He
has
not
been
as
much
as
it
had
been
in
some
years,
so
the
grand
total
of
the
two
he's
still
a
pretty
good
bargain.
The
lobbyist
is
also
in
there.
You
notice
we're
now
paying
the
full
vote.
For
that.
I
still
maintain
and
I
was
the
hardest.
D
I
think
the
hardest
sell
on
agreeing
to
go
with
the
lobbyists.
The
part
of
the
what
the
lobbyist
is
still
doing
for
us.
That
has
value
to
me
and
may
not
to
the
to
the
raw
eye.
Is
they
have
tremendous
relationships
with
state
agencies
and
I
only
wish
their
juice
with
csx
as
a
federal,
it's
actually
a
private
corporation.
D
D
We
only
got
money
out
of
in
one
year,
which
certainly
has
been
way
more
than
we've
paid
them,
but
they
continue
to
do
some
good
things
for
us,
so
I
would
still
propose
that
we
maintain
them
in
the
particular
situation.
They
have
a
lot
of
connections
and
they
do
care
about
us
and,
as
I
think
most
of
you
know,
you
don't
call
the
office
and
hope
to
get
word
to
them.
You
call
allen
or
r.j,
and
you
get
alan
or
rj.
D
C
D
Well,
a
we
weren't,
we
weren't
paying
the
lobbyist
the
full
boat.
We
were
paying
him
about.
Half
of
that
and
tom
has
kept
it
tight,
in
other
words
the
retainer
stuff.
We
pay
him
every
month,
but
this
other
stuff.
We
have
to
pay
him.
For
you
know
we
use
kind
of
historical
look
at
that
and
that
that
has
not
been
don't
get
any
ideas
that
has
not
been
a
highly
significant
amount,
so
we
got
a
chance
to
reduce
a
little,
but
predominantly
that
was
because
of
the
lobbyist.
I.
A
Think
there
was
also
the
question
of
whether
or
not
with
the
mayor
at
the
time
whether
we
needed
a
budget,
more
legal
fees
of.
D
Course,
exactly
I'm
sorry,
there's
another
thing:
okay,
the
other
thing
is
the
construction
attorney,
because
the
chances
are
the
construction
term.
That's
not
going
to
be
the
end
of
it
for
him
right,
that's
a
guess
right
now,
so
it's
probably
a
combination
of
the
construction
attorney
and
the
difference
between
what
we're
paying
the
lobbyists
this
year.
What
we
will
plan
next
year,
because.
C
D
Yeah,
well,
we
did,
I
think
we
also
cut
the
pension,
the
pension
attorney.
We
had
a
little
bit
more
in
there,
but
we
don't
really
have
the
need,
but
that's
just
kind
of
in
case
we
have
like
an
actuarial
evaluation
or
a
study
we
have
to
do
and
the
labor
attorney.
I
think
we
cut
that
a
little
bit
as
well.
D
Good
point
always
a
good
thing
to
do
any
other
questions.
No,
no,
sir.
All
right
planning
and
redevelopment
looks
pretty
straightforward
there,
the
personal
services,
I
told
you,
we
budgeted
for
marie's
salary
for
the
entire
year
she's
planning
on
retiring
december
31st,
and
there
is
no
capital
there
was
I
made
just
one
note:
the
other
contractual
is
essentially
the
money
we
pay
the
county
to
do
our
inspections
and
some
of
the
development
review
work
like
we
tend
to
average.
I
think
it's
30
grand
a
month,
so
I
just
went
with
360
or
370.
D
and
then
the
aid
to
government
private
agencies,
that's
the
chamber
money.
The
only
reason
I
mention
it
is
we're
not
planning
on
doing
anything
differently
was
that
the
agreement
is
year
to
year
and
the
agreement
is
up
for
october
1st,
so
felicia
will
be
negotiating
just
a
refinement.
I
would
say,
because
we
changed
some
of
the
terms
of
the
agreement
last
year
to
this
year,
but
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
looking
to
do
much
there.
D
So,
unless
council
steers
us
in
a
different
direction,
our
plan
was
to
keep
that
as
it
is,
you'll
need
a
new
agreement.
You
will
have
to
approve
the
agreement,
but
the
suggestion
of
the
proposal
is
to
keep
the
money
the
same
business
assistance
b.a.p.
Thank
you.
Okay,
moving
on
law
enforcement,
okay,
I'm
on
page
and
676-77
law
enforcement.
As
you
know,
his
council
recently
approved
the
contract
for
the
pinellas
county
sheriff's
office
at
an
increase
of
about
2.7
percent,
so
that
reflects
mostly
the
contract,
I
think,
is
the
occasionally
on
a
special
event.
D
D
We
allocate
the
cost
of
all
of
our
insurance
coverages
across
all
the
divisions,
so
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
it's
directly
related
to
eno
or
law
enforcement
liability.
It's
just
an
easier
way
to
allocate
it
across
everything.
So
it's
a
percentage
of
our
entire
insurance
bill.
Okay,
any
questions.
D
D
I
think
we
got
people
doing
what
they
do
best
tom
brennan
is
killing
it
sometimes
at
the
expense
of
some
of
the
other
things
jason
wishes
he
was
doing,
but
I
think
we
got
people
doing
what
they
do
best
and
I
think
it's
showing,
I
think
the
whole
operation
in
my
observation
is
going
quite
well.
So
I'm
pleased,
I
hope
you
guys
are
okay.
Moving
on
page
80,
where
the
bad
news
for
that
decision
comes,
I
mean
for
the
financial
figures.
D
This
will
be
the
first
chance
specifically
for
you
to
see
the
breakdown
of
the
capital,
what
we
meant
when
we
said
before
the
capital
to
be
part
of
each
page.
If
there's
something
in
the
capital
to
be
purchased,
there'll
be
a
breakdown
of
it
with
the
detail
on
the
front
page
of
it,
you
see
that
right
here
now
in
order
to
be
part
of
the
cip
by
the
way.
A
D
Quick
place
to
see
it,
so
you
might
see
because
the
first
thing
I
make
them
do
is
reconcile
the
cip
against
the
capital
accounts
and
they
won't
always
reconcile
because
the
cip
has
the
items
in
it
that
have
a
different
threshold
for
capitalization,
generally
oversimplified
anything
10,
000
and
over
goes
into
cip.
So
anything,
that's
a
capital
item
like
these
three
items,
none
of
which
are
over
10
grand,
would
be
in
the
capital
section
of
the
budget,
but
you
wouldn't
find
them
in
the
cip.
C
D
Yes,
the
particular
I
wasn't
trying
to
give
them
the
honeymoon
gift.
The
only
reason
I
allowed
them
to
buy
a
vehicle
was
because
the
funds
are
in
the
public
safety
fund,
the
money's
already
there.
Okay,
he
needs
the
vehicle.
So
I
said
you
want
to
spend
the
public
safety
fund.
You
can
buy
the
vehicle
so.
B
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
a
real
comment.
First,
a
comment
on
page
78
about
the
babysitting
safety,
I'm
curious
as
to
whether
we
can
somehow
advertise
that
because
I
believe
that
that
might
become
more
needed
and
covered
when
people
go
back
to
work
and
if
their
kids
don't
go
back
to
school.
So
that's
just
a
comment
that
we
can
talk
about
later
and
I
think
that
katie
might
have
answered
my
question
on
this
page.
The
operating
supplies
that
the
32
000
difference
is
that
the
vehicle
al.
B
The
difference
in
the
ask
for
the
102
000
to
be
approved,
70
000
does
that
have
to
do
with
the
vehicle
at
kdsml.
D
D
The
only
one
that
I
identified
in
operating
that
might
be
worth
a
conversation
and,
as
the
vice
mayor
pointed
out,
there
was
a
conversation
for
one
that
was
reduced
by
a
lot.
Was
the
insurance
figure,
but
I
maintain
same
thing
happens
there.
There
was
two
effects
on
that
account.
One
was
the
obvious
10
ish
prorated
across
all
funds
won't
translate
to
10
on
every
budget,
because
it
depends
how
much
money
you
got
there,
but
remember
we
also
funded
for
the
first
time
or
would
that
I
might
get
that
in
the
wrong
place.
D
D
Oh,
it
is
in
there
okay,
so
the
new
thing
that
would
represent
an
increase
would
be
the
funding.
The
cancer
presumption
bill
was
passed
last
year
and
most
insurance
agencies
took
a
while
to
figure
out
how
to
implement
it.
The
league
did
it.
This
is
the
first
full
year
we've
been
paying
for
it.
So
that's
why
that's
another
little
chunk
that
added
to
that.
A
Can
you
speak
for
just
a
moment
about
overtime.
D
In
fire,
specifically,
here's
what's
happened
and
I'll
the
the
brief
version
is
the
band-aid
box
or
the
ambulance
or
the.
I
call
it
a
band-aid
box,
the
rescue.
Thank
you,
the
rescue
vehicle
which
we
funded
and
bought
a
new
one
and
had
the
push
in
the
door
ceremony
because
it
wasn't
running,
I'm
kidding
just
kidding.
D
D
We
have
to
have
the
staffing
and
the
old
way
we
used
to
do
when
both
were
available
were
if
one
person
called
in
sick
or
was
that
training
or
was
not
physically
there.
We
had
to
take
the
band-aid
box
out
of
service
and
put
the
extra
person
if
we're
only
down
one
and
move
them
over
to
the
engine
and
just
run
the
engine.
What
we
now
do
with
some
limits
that
I
will
be
pressing
them
to
maintain
it's
his
decision
and
based
on
her
recommendation
to
go.
D
What
do
we
need
worse
and
it's
his
job
and
it's
his
responsibility?
I
gave
them
the
transition
year
to
go.
Okay,
we're
supporting
the
purchase
of
the
vehicle,
let's
see
what
it's
going
to
cost
us
not
to
take
it
out
of
service.
When
somebody
calls
out
you
bring
somebody
in
that's
overtime,
so
there's
flsa
overtime
which
they
get
automatically,
but
that
incremental
extra
comes
depending
on
how
much
both
units
are
available
so
because
we
have
both
units,
we
have
been
doing
it
now.
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
him.
You
saw.
D
I
took
25
grand
from
what
he
wanted
to
say.
There
will
be
some
pressure
to
that,
but
it's
his
call
he's
got
to
ruin
the
department
and
he's
got
to
decide.
Is
this
when
somebody
calls
in
sick
or
they're
a
training
or
whatever?
Is
this
a
day
we
can
do
without
the
band-aid
box?
The
rescue
unit?
Excuse
me,
we
should
do
without
it.
D
That's
part
of
being
a
manager,
so
it
I
allowed
this
year
to
happen
and
and
to
their
credit,
they
blew
it
out
so
fast
that
they
got
pretty
conservative
about
it
when
they
saw
it
was
going
to
be
a
problem
this
year
and
okay.
They
haven't
exceeded
it,
but
they're
paying
very
close
attention
to
it.
Now.
A
C
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
think
that's
a
an
important
question
and
a
very
important
discussion.
I
noticed
on
the
community
profile
summary
on
page
26
that
the
number
of
total
responses
year
over
year
was
down
as
well
as
the
number
of
ems
responses
was
down.
Although
the
number
of
inspections
actually
increased,
like
a
hundred
percent
or
like
300
percent
before
well,.
D
Still
say,
but
that
issue
is
deeper
than
those
stats:
okay
with
something
that
the
county
is
in
the
middle
of
doing
that.
I
think
we'd
be
better
suited
to
talk
about
at
the
workshop,
just
because
it's
in
depth,
but
there's
an
incentive
for
us
to
want
to
maintain
any
calls.
We
can
get
credit
for
and
there's
a
county
push
towards
units
not
running
on
non-emergency
calls.
Okay,
and
I
would
rather
not
do
that
and
that's
part
of,
I
think
our
charm
in
that
you
live
here.
A
D
And
I
think
that's
something
thematic
that
we
should
stick
to
as
a
priority,
but
you
might
be
right
in
observing
the
particular
stats,
but
I
don't
think
in
and
by
itself
that
should
change
something
we
do
on
how
we
decide
what
we
use
to
respond.
D
Yeah
they're,
not
that
ambitious,
okay,
the
the
the
the
annoyance
factor
with
sunstar
it's
the
design.
I
mean
I
was
at
the
meeting
where
they
designed
this
thinking
system
in
1986
and
the
design
is,
and
the
county
as
the
ems
authority
pays
them
to
do
this.
24
million
something
ridiculous
and
they
by
design,
are
supposed
to
be
wandering
around
the
county
waiting
in
subways
and
parking
lot.
Subway
stores
parking.
D
D
It
might
be
partially
in
theory,
because
the
county
wants
ems
to
be
more
justified
in
what
they're
doing
that's
true,
but
so
long
as
it's
a
choice.
I
will
never
recommend
that
we
accept
that
premise,
because
I
think
we
should
be
responding
to
all
of
our
calls.
I've
had
half
the
time
I've
ever
seen
them
run
on
my
employees.
I
usually
have
a
complaint
about
sunstar
wow,
almost
every
time,
so
I'm
I
mean
we
have
some
guys
that
work
for
sunstar
on
the
side.
D
C
D
D
Brian
smith
was
promoted,
transferred
over
to
technical
services
when
we
promote
or
transfer.
If
we
promote
him,
he
gets
a
percentage
and
he
was
already
at
the
high
end
of
his
scale.
So
he
came
in
at
a
high
rate
position
in
the
scale
which
made
that
overall
budget
up
slightly
slightly
more
higher
than
it
normally
would
be.
D
Okay,
professional
operating
looks
it's
up
about
10.
I
see
the
I'm
looking
for
something
to
jump
out
at
me
and
I
don't
see
anything.
What
about
education.
D
Well,
that's
me
being
me,
but
that
could
have
had
something
to
do.
My
theories
are
generally
I'm
not
a
fan
of
out-of-state
travel
period
for
training,
and
by
that
I
normally
I've
allowed
it,
but
I
don't
love
it.
National
trainings
to
me
have
in
some
cases
very
little
significance.
D
I
will
say
on
the
fire
side
they
do
because,
for
example,
jason
goes
to
the
executive
fire
officer
academy.
You
got
to
go
to
emmitsburg
and
they
generally
refund
that
anyway
or
pay
for
it.
As
far
as
conferences
go
a
lot
of
people
marie
goes
to
like
a
national
planning
thing.
Well,
you
know
she
kind
of
it
works
for
her.
It
makes
some
sense
for
the
library
it
makes
some
sense
for
her
partially
because
of
their
networking,
their
contacts.
D
But,
as
a
general
rule,
I
think
the
state
conferences
are
where
we
should
focus
so
sometimes
somebody
puts
in
for
a
national
conference.
I
clip
it.
You
can
go
to
the
state,
not
the
national.
As
far
as
the
particulars
of
what
those
asks
where
I'm
not
entirely
sure
I
know
off
the
top.
My
head
insurance
is
up.
E
D
D
The
personal
services
are
up
about
15.
The
reason
for
that
is
we
budgeted
asked
for
council
approved
kind
of
the
same
thing.
We
tried
to
do
with
the
human
resources
technician.
We
needed
another
administrative
person
in
streets.
We
we
have
the
technical
service.
People
have
a
lot
to
keep
juggling
with
the
projects
and
the
engineers
and
the
construction
inspection.
D
So
streets
are
technically
the
field
guys
between
fleet
facilities,
streets
and
storm
water
have
a
serious
need
for
administrative
help
and
I'm
sorry
bro
but
charlie
is
the
public
works
administrator
and
he
needs
some
administrative
help.
So
we
ask
for
permission
to
get
a
part-time
employee
or
actually
we
ask
for
the
full-time
position
and
we
allow
we
just
hired
we've.
D
Now
you
may
end
up
saving,
because
I'm
I
wasn't
convinced
I
was
going
to
let
him
have
a
full
timer
right
away,
we're
going
to
see
if
a
part-timer
will
do
it,
but
I'm
asking
for
approval
for
the
full-time
position.
So
if
she
works
out,
we
can
offer
the
full-time
position.
If
the
need
is
there
but
she's
accepting
it,
based
on
the
hope
that
it's
filled
with
no
guarantee.
D
Okay,
all
right
operating
expense
are
actually
down
1.4.
So
I
think
that
looks
pretty
tight
and
there's
no
capital.
So
if
there's
no
other
questions
we'll
move
on
to
the
library,
okay,
it's
90
and
91.,
you
see
the
org
chart,
service,
program,
goals
and
objectives,
and
the
personnel
personnel
looks
exactly
the
same
as
it
was
this
year.
D
Page
92,
so
the
capital
outlay
might
be
a
better
way
to
say
it
and
I'm
well
I'll,
say
it
one
of
the
first
things
that
happens
in
the
audit,
because
the
definition
of
a
capital
item
a
book.
D
Well,
maybe
maybe
not
so
we
track
it
separately
as
if
it's
capital,
but
the
first
thing
the
auditor
does
or
makes
us
do
it.
Your
end
is
expected,
is
reclass
it
back
into
operating.
So
so
it's
here
for
you
and
every
year
we
have
a
dedicated
amount
of
money.
We
use
for
the
collection
and
sue
was
kind
enough,
because
one
of
the
things
I
did
hack,
the
patron
computers
need
to
be
replaced,
and
that
was
a
covet
decision
because
I
think
she
originally
asked
for
14.
D
D
Okay,
any
questions
hope
you
answered
it
page
94
I've
heard
a
rumor
chip.
What's
that
rumor
starts
in
parts,
it
starts
in
parks,
I've
heard
it
starts
in
parks,
so
on
page
94,
we're
starting
in
parks
with
the
org
chart,
95
goals
and
objectives
and
the
personnel
which
again
are
identical
to
what
we
currently
have
96.
You
can
see
the
capital
outlay
scheduled
for
parks
and
on
97
you'll,
see
all
the
departments
with
the
parks
expenditures.
D
Personal
services
are
up
3.7.
That
would
be
fine.
I
would
consider
anything
less
than
5
to
be
pretty
normal.
Now,
if
you
ask
the
question,
why
would
it
be
less
than
five
people
leave?
Sometimes
you
have
people
come
in
at
the
low
end
of
the
scale,
so
sometimes
replacements
or
vacancies
make
it
lower,
but
I
would
I
wouldn't
think
twice
I
mean
I
have
the
specifics
on
everybody,
but
if
it's
around
five
I
figure
that's
okay.
D
Now,
if
you
guys
changed
either
or
merit
or
arcola,
then
obviously
that
would
change
the
whole
dynamic
there
and
then
the
operating
expenses
are
actually
down.
2.7
chip
did
a
good
job
with
that
and
improvements
down
by
quite
a
bit.
But
there's
your
56.5
excuse
me
on
page
96,
you
can
see
what
it
makes
up.
D
There
may
be
a
question
about
sidewalk
repair.
We
do
major
jobs
because
we
have
we
have
streets,
guys
that
do
sidewalk
repair.
They
do
kind
of
specific
hey.
We
need
to
get
this
fixed
now
or
this
over
here
and
they
have
a.
They
have
a
plan
for
all
those
they
hope
to
get
done
in
the
course
of
the
year.
If
we
have
a
super
long
section
of
something
immediately
done,
we
contract
that
out.
This
would
likely
be
more
like
what
the
street
stuff
does.
There
is
some
particular
patchwork
in
this
case.
D
C
C
D
Yeah
we
selected
302
because
in
the
governmental
fund
sense
we
kind
of
rather
have
all
of
our
projects
go
through
the
same
fund,
it's
a
little
easier
to
track
the
revenues
and
the
grants.
Okay,
because
in
a
sense
one
of
the
problems
that
you
have
with
general
funds
stuff
is
that
if
you
put
that
in
general
fund
well,
then
the
grant
had
to
go
in
general
fund.
D
So
if
the
grant
was
way
more
or
way
less
than
what
you
spent
and
the
problem
is,
if
it's
way
more,
are
you
being
accused
or
are
you
using
the
rest
of
the
money
for
something
else?
So
it's
a
little
it's
more
important
to
track.
Those
special
revenues
are
revenues
that
have
legal
restrictions
on
them.
So
because
it's
a
grant
project,
if
it's
a
governmental
grant
project,
we
would
normally
use
302
302.
D
And
that
the
definition
of
that
had
morphed
over
the
years
bruce
used
it.
I
think
we
used
to
call
it
the
streets,
capital
streets
fund
or
something
he
tried
to
focus
specifically
on
only
the
roadway
stuff
we
found
it
was
a
better
catch-all
for
anything
on
the
governmental
side,
meaning
not
related
to
the
enterprise
funds.
That
was
a
major
capital
project.
B
B
I
have
a
question
mayor
vice.
B
I
didn't
see
anywhere
in
the
budget,
and
maybe
I
missed
it,
but
I
did
try
to
go
through
line
by
line.
Where
is
the
money
for
the
tree
program
that
we're
going
to
eventually
have
when
covet
goes
away?
Where
does
what
account
does
that
come
out
of.
B
D
B
D
D
It's
an
office
build
out
in
the
cypress
forest
rec
center,
which
we've
needed
for
a
while.
We
did
something
with
the
front
desk,
we're
just
doing
some
of
the
other
stuff
now
and
the
recreation
personal
services
only
up
4.9.
So
I
would
consider
that
to
be
fine,
you'll
see
the
other.
Contractual
figure
is
up
by
quite
a
bit.
Someone
help
me
with
that.
What's
that.
B
About
the
other
contractual
from
from
the
1920
budget,.
B
Yeah,
that's
we
moved
some
money
this
year
to
cover
trees.
We
covered
some
other
uniform
stuff.
Some
other
supplies
that
needed
to
be
covered.
B
What
makes
up
the
85
the
we
added
so
much
well,
let's
go
back
to
what
we
did
last
year
with
the
with
the
all
right.
Sorry,.
B
D
These
are
all
the
instructor
fees
for
the
programs.
Okay.
Now
what
to
to
to
council
member
began
this
question
at
the
outset.
This
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
don't
want
to
have
this
in
the
actual
document,
because
the
30,
000
or
52
increase
is
on
the
revised
budget.
Now
the
revised
budget
total
for
that
account
item
was
reduced
from
a
revision,
so
it
may
have
been.
Let's
say
it
was
normally
85,
but
because
he
had
some
unforeseen
circumstance
this
year
and
he
wasn't
going
to
need
the
85.
D
D
C
D
One
of
the
cases
I
made
him
do
it
the
the
one
for
the
recreation
office.
Sometimes
what
I'll
say
is
if
he
puts
it
in
I'll,
say
if
you
can
do
it
this
year,
do
it
this
year,
which
makes
it
disappear
and
then
the
other
way
he
may
just
look
at
it
and
go
well.
D
C
D
D
If
you
remember,
with
council,
council,
approved
the
start
to
the
spray
park
project
bidding
right,
so
you
you
started
that,
but
by
the
time
that
finishes
comes
in,
if
we
can
and
if
it
comes
due
next
year,
then
we'll
do
it
with
a
budget
revision,
but
we
weren't
sure
how
that
was
going
to
work.
So
we
actually
thought
the
reason
it's
not
here
is
we
thought
we
were
going
to
do
it
this
year
right.
D
D
All
right
so
we're
moving
through
recreation
onto
the
sports,
complex,
page
102.
There's
your
personnel
in
the
org
chart
the
service
program
goals
and
objectives,
the
personnel
cool
picture.
We
still
don't
have
normals
did
we
trip
up
one
of
them,
yet
they
buried
them
in
there.
You
made
this
big
teaser
and
everybody's
going.
What
is
it
page?
103
nice
picture
of
bmx?
Probably
cindy's
kid
I
don't
know,
no
tried.
Okay,
page
104,
you
have
the
capital
outlay,
which
is
annual
fence
replacement.
D
I
think
we
actually
normally
spend
40,
but
we
need
a
lot
of
fence,
so
we
do
that
as
capital
outlay
every
year
at
the
sports
complex
and
obviously
you
might
ask
the
question
about
bmx
right,
but
it
would
be
the
same
thing
as
the
answer
to
the
question
about
the
spray
park.
We
would
track
that
through
302..
Okay.
D
It
clearly
belongs
to
the
sports
complex,
but
I
don't
want
to
commingle
that
with
other
general
fund
revenues,
because,
like
there's
an
old
argument
about
anything,
you
get
like
the
fire
department-
and
I
have
an
argument
all
the
time
about
if
they
get
credited
for
something
they
want
to
credit.
The
expense
well
there's
an
accounting
rule
that
says
you
can't
do
that
because
you
don't
want
to
make
it
look
like
the
expense,
never
happened,
which,
if
you
didn't
know,
you
had
an
expense
and
then
a
credit.
D
Well
that
hurts
them,
because,
even
though
they're
getting
the
credit,
the
money
goes
back
into
general
fund
revenue,
which
you
which
funds
everything
in
general
fund.
So
it's
a
it's
a
legitimate
argument,
but
that's
the
kind
of
thing
I
don't
want
to
put
anything
in
general
fund
just
for
the
sake
of
having
it
in
the
particular
division
capital
projects
to
us
belonging
the
capital
projects
fund.
D
D
What
am
I
missing?
Maintenance
and
repairs?
That's
probably
we
got
some
projected
work
to
do
in
the
park
there,
but
overall,
that's
not
too
bad
and
there's
one
piece
just
defense
in
capital.
So
overall
the
division's
down
by
20
percent.
B
C
And
he
has
been
out
of
the
track
doing
some
maintenance
work
to
make
sure
the
track
doesn't
go
into
disrepair
cool.
Thank
you.
D
D
We
have
not
spent
it
all,
yet
the
capital
outlay
did
we
bump
that
out
of
here
was
that
supposed
to
be
this
year,
so
it
started
last
year
it
got
carried
over
to
this
year
for
the
40,
and
you
got
to
remember.
We
only
had
29
in
the
fund.
It's
still
a
choice.
D
D
So
we
spent
that
all
of
that
in
that
40
and
I'm
fully
intent
on
continuing
the
commitment
to
the
program,
but
we
bumped
what
would
have
been
this
year's
40
because
we
don't
have
any
to
be
next
year
since
we're
not
even
done
with
the
gianlella
project.
Yet
that's
why
it
says
nothing
in
the
capital
hotline.
B
I
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
also
I
also
wanted
to
express
my
appreciation
for
not
moving
the
next
40
000
out
another
year.
You
guys
what
you
did
was.
I
realized
that
this
40
is
going
to
be
spent
next
year,
because
if
the
project's
not
going
to
be
done
due
to
covet,
but
you
could
have
moved
it,
you
could
have
skipped
a
year
and
then
it
be
another
year
before
we
did
another
40.
But
y'all
didn't
do
that,
and
I
really
appreciate
that.
So
thank
you.
D
D
We
now
distribute
the
experience
elsewhere
magazine
three
times
a
year
to
every
household.
I
think
it's
been
a
huge
hit,
so
I
think
it's
money
well
spent,
but
we're
showing
off
because
of
our
talents,
the
it
costs
money,
but
boy
I
get
so
many
people.
You
know
thinking.
That's
professionally
made
magazine.
That's
it's
all
in-house
right!
So
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
The
printing
costs
have
gone
up
a
bit
and
the
postage,
because.
A
C
D
Page
110.
There
you
have
the
org
chart,
you'll
notice,
that
the
human
resource
administrator
to
become
human
resource
director
is
no
longer
there.
Personal
services
reflects
that
same
thing
for
both
human
resource
administrator
being
removed
and
the
human
resource
technician
being
removed,
moved
to
the
city
manager's
office,
page
112,
you'll,
see
the
capital
outlay
box
on
top
are
beneath
the
expenditure
categories.
D
Traditionally
we
spend
about
125
to
150
000
a
year
or
excuse
me.
We
budget
125
150
per
year
on
it
keeping
up,
needs
replacing
pcs,
replacing
servers,
replacing
switches,
increasing
our
wireless
footprint,
and
so
this
is
pretty
normal
stuff
as
far
as
what
we're
asking
them
to
do,
and
there
is
fire
rescue
wireless
modems
for
the
trucks
right,
so
we're
adding
that
we're
adding
fire
wireless
motives
in
the
trucks
at
the
fire
department.
So
that's
how
that
number
comes
to
be
on
page
113,
the.
A
A
A
A
B
A
A
Where
we
couldn't
you
know,
the
our
inability
to
stream
live
is
is
something
that
we
need
to
address.
I
mean
that's
got
to
be
something
we
need
to
address
for
a
multitude
of
reasons,
but
you
know
got
highlighted
in
this,
but
but
you
know
I
mean
we
look
good.
This
is
a
good-looking
operation,
but
we
also
just
kind
of
learned
that
we
probably
need
to
invest
some
money
in
that.
B
B
B
It
was
a
live
stream,
they
had
an
aerial
of
the
church
and
then
they
went
live
through
youtube
and
I
was
able
to
cast
it
to
the
tv
in
my
house,
and
I
watched
the
entire
our
wedding
in
a
church
in
warsaw,
poland.
So
their
technology
is
there
for
us
to
do
this
and
we
can
go
live
for
our
council
meetings
or
whatever
yeah.
A
B
Getting
married
to
be
honest
with
you,
it
was
absolutely
beautiful,
whatever
the
company
did
in
poland
to
do
this
live.
Like
my,
my
sister
was
on
my
brother,
my
nieces,
my
nephews.
I
had
my
whole
family
on
the
on
the
watching
youtube
live
instantly
and
I
was
really
impressed-
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
you.
So
the
technology
is
there.
We
can
do
it.
Yeah.
A
And
I
think
you
know
we
don't
know
how
long
this
is
it's
going
to
go
on
up
and
down
up
and
down,
but
it
would
be
a
good
investment
for
us
and-
and
so,
if
council's
concurs
with
that,
okay,
something
working
all
right.
Thank
you,
sir.
D
No
problem:
okay,
administrative
services,
personal
service
expenses,
are
down
15
percent.
B
D
Why
thank
you
they're
operating
we're
up
by
1.9.
A
D
Why
and
capital
you
see
the
components
on
the
previous
page,
so
we
had
any
questions
on
administrative
services.
D
We've
done
what
appraisals
and
yeah
yeah
generally
an
actuarial
evaluation
we'll
put
there,
but
we
don't
tend
to
do.
One
of
those
administrative
services
doesn't
do
one
every
year.
Okay,
the
pension
plan
has
to
do
with
every
year,
but
the
city
doesn't
necessarily.
D
D
Personnel
up
three
third
personnel
expense
up.
3.2,
that's
good
operating
up
5.6!
That's
decent
maintenance
is
up
a
little
bit.
That's
good
charlie's,
always
pressing
for
more
maintenance
money,
and
we
probably
didn't
give
him
as
much
as
he
deserved.
But
everything
else
looks
pretty
tight.
Even
that's
tight.
I
don't
see
anything
else
that
jumps
off
the
page
operating
supplies
a
little
bit,
but
it's
only
5.6
up
and
no
capital.
D
D
You
see
the
org
chart.
Most
of
you
know
this,
but
facilities
work
for
leisure
services,
so
chip
is
their
ultimate
department
head.
Alexis
is
their
direct
report
in
case
that
ever
comes
up
page
118,
119,
the
personnel
same
mix
and
then
page
120.
You
see
the
capital
outlay
with
the
projects
we
hope
to
accomplish.
D
The
one
I
wanted
to
mention
was
the
pcso
substation
yeah.
I
asked
daniel
to
kind
of
give
me
a
conceptual
back
of
a
napkin
drawing
I
wanted
to
create
at
the
height
of
the
latest
of
the
shootings.
I
think
it
was
probably
the
virginia
beach
one.
I
wanted
to
create
a
substation
in
city
hall
for
the
sheriff's
office,
just
as
you
walk
in
instead
of
this
down
here,
so
that
they
I
mean
down
here
is
a
couple
of
desks
in
a
room.
D
D
I
had
a
I
had
a
leg
cramp.
I
tried
to
kick
it
out
before
it
got
me.
B
A
A
Boy,
well,
I
think
the
the
sheriff's
department
needs
to
understand
how
much
how
committed
you
are.
A
They
owe
you
big
time,
y'all.
Remember
your
mask
okay
order
and
I
think
I
actually
need
a
motion
to
reconvene
the
meetings.
A
D
So
any
questions
on
that
other
than
that
we
were
4.4
increase
on
personal
services.
That's
well
within
norm
rates,
same
personnel,
the
operating
expenses
are
down
by
6.9,
that's
good.
The
capital
is
down
by
about
56.
You
see
the
components
on
the
previous
page
and
the
department's
down
by
14..
So
looking
good
there,
any
other
questions
on
facilities.
B
Now,
what
what
was
the
difference
between
what
was
requested
and
what
was
approved
for
that
buildings.
D
D
D
D
D
Both
100
and
the
other
one,
okay,
so
harper
bombs,
debt
and
the
money
we
normally
transfer
every
year
to
the
public
safety
fund
that
one
tenth
of
a
mill
now
that
the
actual
transfer,
if
you
looked
at
the
kaffir,
won't
be
exactly
150.
150
is
our
guess.
Whatever
the
avalor
comes
in
at
when
we
do
the
closing
of
the
books
the
year
end
will
take
one
tenth
of
one
mill
based
on
that
actual
number
it'll
be
around.
There
could
be
a
little
higher
or
lower
okay
moving
on
to
reserve,
which
is
page
128
129..
D
Now
you
will
notice,
I
suspect
you
all
did
dr
reserve
number
is
significantly
lower.
I
would
say
this
is
covid,
but
I'm
not
overly
concerned
that
the
political
argument
you'll
hear
in
other
places
is
this:
is
the
rainy
day
fund
or
the
contingency
fund
and
it's
kind
of
a
budget
balancer,
because
on
the
other
side
of
the
revenues
you
budget
appropriated
reserve,
which
is
a
fancy
way
of
saying
it's
cash,
that
we've
got
on
hand
that
we
use
to
balance
the
budget.
D
So
while
it's
the
optics
of
it
suggest
a
healthy
number,
there
is
a
good
idea.
The
most
important
part
is,
you
have
the
cash
and
we
have
general
fund
cash
is
in
very
good
shape,
so
I'm
okay
with
it,
you
might
not
be
and
we'll
do
whatever
you
guys
need
us
to
do.
Knowing
that
revenues
are
such
a
potential
problem
that
could
get
worse
if
you
said
make
that
a
million
the
only
way
we'd
be
able
to
make
that
a
million
would
be
to
increase
the
appropriate
reserve
which
would
put
more
pressure
on
the
cash.
D
A
D
Me
look
here:
okay,
my
big
problem
with
it-
and
this
is
everybody:
does
this
a
tiny
bit
differently,
but
essentially
in
governmental
budgeting,
you
have
appropriate
reserve
some
call
it
prior
your
surplus,
that's
a
revenue!
It's
a
projected
revenue,
all
it
means,
and
it's
largely
because
of
the
timing
of
when
you
do
the
budget
that
says
here's
what
I
know
I
have
in
pocket
to
use
for
the
budget.
If
I
need
it
from
money
that
I've
made
now
remember
when
you
do
that,
you're
in
the
middle
of
a
budget
year.
D
So
it's
got
to
be
ca.
You
can't
appropriate
something
you
don't
have,
so
you
have
to
know
you
have
it
before
you
can
make.
That
number
say
anything
because
you
don't
know
how
that
year's
going
to
turn
out.
You
could
lose
your
shirt
in
that
year
and
end
up
with
no
money.
So
you
gotta
know
that
number's
good
here's.
What
the
problem
is
on
the
expenditure
side,
you
have
to
have
a
balanced
budget
right.
D
In
net
terms,
you've
done
nothing,
nothing
right,
but
in
good
terms,
for
fiscal
conservatism,
you're
really
adopting
a
balanced
budget,
because
you're
not
using
any
money
that
you
might
have
for
the
sake
of
making
sure
the
budget
balances.
So
if
those
numbers
are
the
same,
you're
doing
you're,
truly
balanced
budgeting
right
right.
If
you
make
the
appropriate
reserve
number
higher,
then
the
approach,
then
the
contingency
reserve.
What
are
you
doing?
Decrease
yeah
your
deficit
budgeting,
because
you're
saying
I'm
going
to
need
money?
I've
already
got
in
order
to
make
sure
the
budget
balances.
D
So
if
you
wanted
to
make
this
number
higher
because
you
could
do
it
the
other
way,
but
it
rarely
happens,
the
other
way
I
mean,
ideally,
you
wouldn't
do
it
in
either
case
you'd
go.
I
don't
need
any
cash
that
I've
got
in
fund
balance
to
balance
the
budget.
That
would
be
ideal.
I
never
heard
this
that
hasn't
happened
in
history,
so
because,
where
you
are,
when
you
do
it,
you
have
to
say:
okay,
how
much
am
I
going
to
need
to
make
sure
I
can
balance
the
bet,
so
I
could
make
that
number
higher.
D
If
you
wanted
to,
but
since
I'm
already
trying
to
be
as
realistic
but
conservative
on
the
revenues,
the
only
way
to
keep
it
balanced
if
I
raise
the
expenditure
side,
would
be
to
raise
the
appropriate
reserve
even
higher,
not
a
good
year.
To
do
that.
My
other
point
to
you
would
be
look
at
the
number
for
the
budget
for
this
year.
Your
points
well
taken.
It's
consistently
got
lower
and
lower.
That's
me
because
bruce
clearly
paid
more
attention
to
the
optics
for
you
guys,
because
the
detail
behind
it
gets
a
little
difficult
to
explain.
C
A
C
A
D
So
I
mean
well
I'll:
do
whatever
the
council
wants,
with
that,
I'm
comfortable
with
that
there,
because
we're
not
going
to
spend
it
and
we'll
adjust
the
budget
accordingly,
because
sometimes
we
hit
it
in
a
budget
revision.
If
we
want
to
make
it
truly
accounted
for.
If
we
don't
have
some
other
revenue,
but
that's
where
kind
of
gets
a
little.
A
Yeah
and-
and
I
I'll
add
to
that
and
say
that
you
know
once
again
we're
kind
of
going
into
this,
assuming
some
bad
worst
case
scenarios
that
personally,
I
don't
believe,
that's
where
we're
going
to
end
up,
and
maybe
it's
the
optimist
in
me,
but
you
know
nobody
knows
for
sure
right
and
so,
as
we
said
earlier,
it's
going
to
be
much
more
of
a
living
document
this
year
than
ever
before,
at
least
for
the
council.
It's
always
a
living
document
for
staff
right
and
I
did
have
a
question
as
it
related
to
I.
B
D
Right
accruing,
it
is
financial
reporting
we
if
we
were
budgeting
it,
it
would
be.
We
would
be
making
a
statement
ahead
of
time
saying
we
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
get
well.
The
whole
thing
was
kind
of
after
the
fact,
because
we
decided
to
do
it
after
we
incurred
the
expense
right.
The
expense
would
show,
but,
okay,
all
right
any
other
questions
on
wherever
we
were
contingency
reserve
or
me
falling
on
my
ass,
or
I
think
it
looks
good.
E
Okay,
the
next
seven
or
so
funds
will
be
what
we
call
the
other
funds,
the
accounting
we
call
it
other
fund.
Sorry.
E
A
job
the
the
next
four
will
be
considered:
ours
considered
special
revenue
funds
and
those
funds.
That
means
that
the
the
money
coming
into
those
funds
is
legally
restricted
and
we
can't
use
it
for
anything
else,
just
that
specific
purpose.
So
if
you
go
ahead
and
turn
your
page
to
132.
E
E
Yeah
we
have
a
very
creative
senior
admin
assistant,
barbara
who
that
was
her
idea.
E
I'll
just
kind
of
go
ahead
and
the
biggest
pic
the
biggest
ticket
items
and
this
fund
will
be
the
major
capital
expense
for
the
revenues.
We
again
we
took
kind
of
a
conservative
approach.
We
don't
really
know
what's
going
to
happen
next
year,
so
this
is
an
impact
fund
to
account
for
the
fire,
suppression,
impact
fees
and
how
we
spend
it.
E
So
we,
as
al
had
mentioned
previously,
we
have
a
transfer
150
000
dollars
into
this
fund,
and
that
is
the
the
ad
valorem
transfer
is
approved
on
resolution
2019
0-6
and
that's
one
tenth
of
one
mill
of
our
advert
proceeds.
Obviously
the
number
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different,
but
we
just
like
round
numbers
for
this
stage
of
the
game.
E
The
impact
fees
are
estimated
to
be
about
25,
000
and
again,
as
we
can
address
that
as
we
go
go
along
throughout
the
budget
year
of
things
change
the
expenditures
we
have
two
items
budgeted
for
next
year.
We
have
bunker
gear
replacement
for
30
000
and
also
we're
going
to
replace
the
2008
ford
explorer,
which
is
vehicle.
Number
158,
oh
well,
also
300
for
45
000.
E
Brennan
ready
to
move
along
we'll
go
to
the
next
page
or
the
next
fund.
This
is
starting
on
page
134.
It's
the
parkland
dedication
fund
and
this
fund
accounts
for
impact
fees
and
other
fees
that
are
collected
on
new
development,
just
as
the
public
safety
impact
fund
is,
and
for
next
year,
we're
projecting
about
35
000.
Again,
that's
as
a
conservative
approach.
We
will
address
that
as
we
go
along
throughout
the
budget
year.
The
we
are
not
really
expecting
expecting
to
spend
much
money
out
of
this
fund
for
the
next
year.
A
We
we
spent
a
lot
of
it
last
year.
I
can
see.
E
This
is
a
multimodal
impact
fund.
This
fund
is
another
special
revenue
fund
and
it
is
set
up
to
collect
the
multimodal
impact
fees
also
collected
on
new
construction
of
this,
the
amount
we
budget
is
actually
at
net
because
we
have
to
turn
over
about
50
of
this
revenue
to
the
county.
We
collect
it,
and
then
we
spend
the
money
with
the
county
effectively
on
page
136,
there
is
another
little
hidden
instance
of
the
spirit
of
osmar.
B
A
E
But
a
four
barrel,
moving
on
to
the
next
page,
on
137.:
okay,
again
we're
taking
the
more
conservative
approach,
we're
budgeted,
50
000
for
the
revenues
and
that
amount
we
are
going
to
save
it
all
for
future
projects
and
this
revenue
can
be
used
for
anything
any
major
transportation
project
such
as
land
acquisition
surveys
or
even
a
multimodal
impact
studies
for
any
kind
of
transportation
project
concern.
We
have.
A
C
A
E
Again,
if
we
have
a
great
year,
we
will
address
this
number
moving
forward.
We
have
some
good
new
development,
then
we
will
address
it
in
budget
revisions.
E
Okay,
moving
on
to
page
138,
it's
our
community
redevelopment
agency
fund,
as
al
had
mentioned
this.
The
cra
agreement
with
pinellas
county
will
expire
in
2026,
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
renegotiating
that
agreement
to
see
if
we
can
extend
it
again,
whether
or
not
they
do
extend.
It
is
an
uncertainty
at
this
point.
D
D
A
D
A
A
E
E
So
what
happens
once
the
the
value
adjustment
board
has
finished
their
hearings
for
the
year,
which
should
be
hopefully
this
year
it
was
late,
but
it
should
be
by
february
march
next
year.
We'll
know
what
the
final
taxable
value
is
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
do.
The
calculations
we'll
send
we'll
do
an
internal
transfer
for
the
current,
the
city's
avalor
tax,
and
then
we
will
invoice
the
county
for
the
the
county's
share
of
it.
E
So
that
is,
you
know
just
due
to
the
timing
and
the
current
uncertainties
that
has
been
bumped
out
or
delayed
until
next
year,
and
we
have
there's
a
lot
of
groundwork
that
needs
to
be
done
in
advance.
We
need
to
finish
the
master
plan
and
some
other
things
line
up.
The
infrastructure
needs
the
underground
infrastructure
before
we
can
proceed
with
that.
So
that's
why
it's
been
bumped
out.
A
Let
me
now
I'm
going
to
direct
this
to
out
talk
about
having
a
workshop
on
downtown
capital
improvements
and
budget
related.
A
D
Well,
as
it
relates
to
this
document,
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
face
some
of
those
conversational
questions
before
we
finalize
here,
which
would
mean
sometime
before
the
first
meeting
in
september,
although
you
could
do
it
between
the
two
meetings,
since
we're
bumping
a
lot
of
things
just
back
a
year.
D
Covet
in
one
sense
takes
a
little
of
the
pressure
off,
but
we
have
a
slide
that
relates
to
the
timing
of
what
each
the
chronology
of
how
long
each
step
would
take.
Even
if
we
were
plowing
forward
right
now,
which
I
think
is
a
bit
more
realistic,
we
went
through
it
with
you
to
go.
Look,
you
know,
okay,
we're
all
excited
about
wanting
to
make
stuff
happen,
but
the
realities
of
the
construction
process
and
the
bid
process
and
the
purchasing
process
and
the
permitting
process.
D
It
just
doesn't
happen
that
fast.
So
one
of
the
slides
we
put
up
was
kind
of
an
outline
not
with
specific
dates
per
se
but
in
some
cases
a
guess
as
to
what
the
date
would
be
if
we
were
moving
forward,
but
a
relative
date
to
say
the
permitting,
the
design
would
have
to
be
here
and
then
six
months
after
that
would
be
when
you
could
start
this
and
then
two
years
after
that
would
be
when
you
could
start
this.
D
That
might
be
a
good
one
to
look
at
at
our
whenever
the
next
workshop
is
so.
You
guys
can
kind
of
frame
the
whole
process
into
a
more
realistic
time
frame.
The
12
million
for
the
garage
was
actually
easy,
well
partially
because,
as
I
said
to
you,
I
didn't
want
the
budget
to
come
in
at
like
55
million
and
when
everybody
else
was
coming
in
way
lower
for
the
optics.
D
Just
wouldn't
look
good,
but
realistically
it
was
easy,
because
if
we
plow
forward
right
now
with
everything
we're
doing
between
the
design
work
on
the
infrastructure,
the
actual
infrastructure
preparation,
the
hotel.
Now
they
might
be
able
to
have
some
overlap.
The
permitting
the
purchasing
process
with
dcps
involved
in
whatever
we're,
probably
looking
at
two
years,
at
least
before
we
could
start
building
a
garage
so
that
made
that
a
little
easier
to
say.
D
D
Would
because
I
think
we
need
to
be.
You
know
the
more
the
thing
I'm
concerned
about
more
than
anything.
Isn't
whether
or
not
we
do
it?
That's
not!
That's
not
the
point
I'll
give
you
the
information
you
decide.
If
we
do
it,
I
want.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
at
least
a
collective
conversation
about
all
of
what
goes
into
that
there's
a
lot
there's
a
boatload
of
stuff.
A
We'll
look
to
establish,
maybe
we'll
get
it
on
the
next
agenda.
To
pick
a
date
might
be
the
way
to
go
about
it
yeah,
and
we
can
have
that
conversation
because
you
know
clearly
we're
sitting
here
with
land
that
we
spent
years
buying
with
cra
money
and,
what's
what
not
and
of
course,
kovic
comes
along
and
kind
of
slow,
our
role,
but
clearly
you
know
the
anchor
part
of
that
with
the
hotep
boutique
hotel
and
the
rooftop
bar.
A
A
E
So
we
talked
about
the
revenues
we
have
a
little
bit
of
rents
and
royalties
that
we
have
recorded
in
the
cra
fund
kind
of
a
continuation
of
what
we've
had
before
and
as
we
move
down
to
the
expenses
are
pretty
pretty
much
consistent.
We've
had
a
couple
we've
have
been:
cr
have
had
the
ability
to
increase
the
reserves.
A
little
bit
amounts
we're
saving
for
the
future,
because
our
operating
expenses
are
so
low.
Also
down
in
the
capital
section,
we
have
500
000
budgeted
for
the
downtown
common
area,
improvements
which
is
a
site
plan.
E
E
The
other
item
in
there
is
ninety
thousand
dollars
for
some
led
lighting,
and
that
is
from
tampa
road
to
the
intersection
state
street
and
saint
pete
drive
and
those
are
just
new
lights.
There's
currently
nothing
in
place
in
that
area,
so
it's
kind
of
a
safety
improvement.
E
Okay,
moving
on
to
page
14
one-
and
this
is
this
fund-
is
a
debt
service
fund.
We
now
have
two
of
them.
This
is
the
first
one.
It's
been
around
for
quite
a
few
years.
This
is
for
the
veterans
memorial
park
and
we
do
have
a
loan
that
is,
we
had
refinanced
the
previous
borrowing
in
2012
and
this
particular
loan
matures
in
2022..
E
So
we're
almost
done
with
a
couple
more
years.
This
is
basically
to
the
debt
service.
Funds
are
to
account
for
the
resources
that
are
required
to
pay
principal
and
interest
on
outstanding
debt
and
this
fund.
These
funds
are
typically
required
by
the
loan
agreements,
so
the
the
loan
agreements
with
the
funding
agency
will
outline
this
requirement.
E
This
pledges
this
particular
pledge
is
electric
utility
taxes,
so
this
is
kind
of
an
easy
one
to
budget
and
account
for
it's
in
and
out.
So
we
are
budgeting
167
000
of
utility
taxes,
which
is
kind
of
a
transfer
from
the
general
fund,
and
then
also
the
debt
service
is
the
same
amount
with
160
000
to
principal
and
the
rest
to
interest
this.
The
current
balance
on
this
loan
at
the
end
of
9
30
20
will
be
about
493
000
and
again
we,
the
debt
matures
in
2022.
E
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
next
page,
we
have
the
a
new.
This
is
a
new
fund
and
it's
the
debt
service
fund
for
the
harbor
palms
infrastructure
improvements.
As
you
know,
we
took
out
a
six
million
dollar
loan
for
the
governmental
portion
of
the
or
for
the
harbor
palms
infrastructure
project.
This
fund
represents
the
governmental
portion
at
this
point.
In
time
we
are
still,
we
still
have
to
go
out
for
bid
for
phase
two
of
the
project,
so
the
mix
between
storm
water
and
the
the
street
and
sidewalk
restoration
is
still
kind
of
uncertain.
E
It
depends
on
when
we
get
the
bids
back.
The
rest
of
this
debt
service
is
reflected
in
the
storm
water
fund,
which
is
fund
405,
which
we'll
get
to
a
little
bit
later.
This
is
again
it's
a
new
fund.
This
loan
is
currently
in
the
construction
draw
phase
and
it
will
which
will
end
on
march
11
2021.,
so
we're
nearing
the
end
of
this,
and
then
we
get
into
the
final
repayment
period.
For
this
particular
debt
issue,
the
interest
rate
is
2.81
and
again,
this
is
just
for
the
governmental
section.
E
C
E
E
Perfect
place
to
do
it.
Okay,
this
is
a
capital
improvement
fund,
and
this
is
probably
for
us
one
of
the
most
fun
funds.
The
this
is
where
it's
a
capital
project
fund,
where
all
of
the
money
put
into
this
fund
is
there
for
a
particular
purpose
and
it's
to
accumulate
resources.
We
need
to
fund
our
big
city,
our
major
city
projects.
E
You
know
what
this
does
is.
It
also
lends
some
consistency
to
the
other
funds,
the
other
governmental
funds,
because
otherwise,
if
we
were
to
put
a
lot
of
these
projects
in
the
general
fund,
you
would
see
general
fund.
You
know
get
very
big.
You
go
very,
very
low,
so
it's
it's
really
a
great
tool
for
us
to
keep
track
of
these
big
projects
and
accumulate
funds.
So
it
doesn't
skew
the
budgets
in
other
places.
E
Okay,
so
basically
we
put
a
lot
of
the
local
option,
the
local
option,
gas
taxes
go
in
this
fund
and
as
well
as
a
penny
for
panelists,
typically
and
a
lot
of
the
grant
funding
for
the
major
projects
so
the
the
money.
That's
the
revenue
always
ties
directly
to
a
particular
project
or
a
particular
purpose,
like
saving
for
a
particular
project,
the
in
the
capital
outlay
section,
it's
probably
the
easiest
place
to
start
because
everything's
all
the
money's
there
for
a
particular
reason.
E
The
harbor
palms
phase
two
right
now
we're
estimating
this
to
be
about
1.115
million
about
a
little
over
a
little
over
a
million
for
this
phase
of
the
project.
Again,
this
is
phase
two
we'll
know
more
about
this.
As
we
get
closer,
you
know
to
the
bid
we're
undergoing
some
engineering
work
to
kind
of
finalize.
The
plans
for
this,
so
dan
could
probably
provide
some
information
about
when
we
expect
to
go
to
bed,
but
it's
probably
going
to
be
middle
of
next
year.
E
Okay,
the
that
this
is
going
to
be
100
debt
funding
for
the
streets
for
the
street
and
sidewalk
restoration.
Citywide
street
resurfacing
is
budgeted
to
be
about
250
000
in
local
option
gas
taxes
pay
for
that,
and
then
on
douglas
road
roadway
improvement,
which
is
the
widening
project.
It's
phase,
one
of
the
widening
projects
that
has
been
split
into
two
phases.
E
Okay,
the
oldsmar
trail
phase
six.
This
is
a
trail
along
part
of
douglas
road.
This
is
a
lap
project
with
the
fdot.
So
it's
a
federal
pass-through.
The
project
estimates
going
to
be
1.4
million.
Grant
funding
will
be
about
1.1
million
and
the
rest
will
be
local
contribution
from
the
city
and
then
the
final
project
in
this
fund
is
oldsmar
or
the
osce
improvements
and
bmx,
which
is
also
tagged
for
the
bmx
project.
E
E
A
roll
okay,
okay,
moving
along,
we
get
into
the
the
city's
enterprise
funds.
These
funds,
the
next
four
funds-
are
set
up
to
operate
like
a
business,
and
so
the
accounting
for
them
is
a
little
bit
different,
which
you
won't
really
see
in
the
budget.
But
on
the,
if
you
look
at
the
capital,
you
will
definitely
see
the
difference
there.
E
You
get
to
page
149
you'll,
see
that
the
overall
fund
is
down
about
30
percent,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
due
to
the
timing
of
capital
projects.
A
lot
of
the
projects
in
this
fund
are
very,
are
big.
It's
very
important
fund
and
we've.
You
know
some
projects
were
completed
this
year
and
budgeted
this
year.
Other
projects
are
next
year
and
future
year.
E
E
E
Service
and
reserves
make
up
the
remaining
11
and
then
moving
on
to
the
revenues.
This
is
probably
where
the
the
greatest
uncertainty
lies
at
this
point
in
time.
We're
not
sure
how
the
you
know
the
businesses
will
recover.
We
hope
they
recover
well,
but
this
will
have
a
definite
impact
on
the
revenue
we
have
coming
into
the
water
sewer
system.
E
We
don't
have
any
rate
increases
projected
for
next
year,
so
the
rate
structure
will
remain
steady,
no
changes,
and
then
we
do
anticipate
again
the
uncertainty
and
we
will
adjust
we'll
keep
it
a
close
eye.
We
are
keeping
a
close
eye
on
the
the
budget
and
their
revenues
coming
in
and
we
will
make
adjustments
later
as
we.
You
know
we
get
better
information,
so
this
is
definitely
a
concern
of
ours,
a
big
part
of
the
decline.
E
C
I
just
had
a
quick
question
cindy
about
the
information
that
was
circulated
last
week
as
it
pertains
to
this
year's
budget
for
penalties
and
fees
for
shutoffs
and
such
and
how
it's
affecting
our
budget
this
year.
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
discuss
it
in
terms
of
this
budget,
because
I'm
not
thinking
it
will
continue
into
next
year,
but
I
kind
of
wanted
to
bring
that
up
and
gauge,
when
might
be
an
appropriate
time
to
discuss
that.
A
C
A
Me,
well
I
mean
we
could
have
the
discussion
here.
Look
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
forever.
A
A
Gonna
have
to
deal
with
the
case.
By
case
I
mean
it's
never
been
an
intent
to
walk
away,
also
at
the
same
time,
hoping
that
the
pinellas
cares
act,
their
new
plan
that
it
be
finalized
because
they
did
wave.
A
The
threshold
that
they
set
to
qualify
yeah
to
qualify,
they
changed
that,
which
means
a
lot
more
people
will
qualify.
The
hopes
being
is
that
those
who,
maybe
are
impacted
all
right,
so
here's
all
the
moving
parts,
so
we're
hoping
that
I
have
been
working
with
oldsmar-
cares
to
hopefully
become
one
of
the
navigators
for
the
program
for
the
county.
B
A
Least,
on
the
residential
community
side,
the
citizen
side
versus
business
side,
the
hopes
are
is
that
we
can
work
with
them.
Maybe
you
know
with
permission
from
whoever
our
subscriber
is
for
water
service,
who
has
a
large
bill
to
maybe
help
put
them
together
to
try
to
get
a
solution
using
some
of
that
money,
because
that
money
is
going
to
go
out,
but
they
have
quite
a
bit
of
it
to
put
out
right
and
so
to
answer
your
question.
That's
kind
of
the
thought
process.
C
Right,
like
tico,
extended
some
of
their
grace
periods
through
the
end
of
july
and
kind
of
moving
back
into,
because
it's
a
fine
line
to
toe
assistance
versus
the
ability
to
provide
you
yeah,
I
mean
it's
becoming
a
significant
amount
of
money
for
the
county.
For
for
the
city,
it's
something
we
need
to
talk
about.
A
Well,
I
think
it
yeah,
I
you
know
the
the
question
is
the
timing
of
it
and
what
other
resources
are
there?
There.
A
It's
becoming
a
lot
of
money
that
we're
probably
would
get
paid
for
it's
revenue
we'd
lose
either
way
either
way
so
yeah,
you
know
it
kind
of
to
me.
Is
I'm
not
saying
that
there's
no
related
expense
that
goes
into
producing
that
water
and
delivering
it
to
them
and
so
forth.
But
I
would
argue
that
from
a
revenue
standpoint.
A
Zero
yeah
yeah,
you
know
so
at
least
this
way.
There's
a
path
to
be
able
to
say
we're
going
to
end
that,
but
old
mark
here
is
a
navigator
and
maybe
they
can.
You
can
work
with
them
so
there's
somewhere
to
send
them
to
get
back
caught
up
and
hopefully
the
county
will
have
their
ducks
in
a
row
on
that.
I
know
they're
working
hard
on
it,
but
so
there.
A
B
B
A
To
answer
your
question
to
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
I
know
that
within
the
pinellas
cares
money
they
have
asked.
I
don't
know
what
the
deadline
was,
but
they
have
asked
the
cities
to
submit
to
them
what
losses
we
have
incurred
as
a
direct
result
of
covet
19.,
and
what
I
will
tell
you
you
know,
according
to
county
administrator,
barry
burton
is
that
I
think
it's
kind
of
like
the
cities
will
end
up
being
at
the
end
of
the
trough.
A
You
know
seeing
where
they
sit
with
taking
care
of
local
citizens
and
businesses
and
some
other
non-profits,
and
also
understanding
the
size
of
the
problem
as
it
relates
to
each
city,
because
some
cities,
especially
those
who
have
beach
communities
the
amount
of
additional
expense
they've
incurred,
is
pretty
staggering,
with
overtime
for
like
clearwater
police,
and
you
know
st
pete
and
that
type
of
stuff.
So
I
know
that's
being
worked
on.
There
is
a
a
trustee
lunch
with
congressman
bilarakis,
that's
coming
up
in
early
august.
A
I
believe
right
now,
our
greatest
opportunity
to
recover
funds
that
we've
lost
as
a
result
of
covet
19
would
be
with
the
county.
E
Okay,
all
right
moving
on
get
into
the
finance
division
and
again
they
are
basically
the
division
that
prepares
this
document.
So
here
and
there
we
have
no
staffing
changes
for
the
finance
division
for
next
fiscal
year.
E
Moving
on
to
page
155.,
basically,
you
know
there's.
Overall,
the
division
is
up
1.7
and
that's
mostly
because
of
the
single
audit
requirements
do
tied
to
the
grants
for
our
auditing
services
and
then
also
the
communication
services
is
up
slightly
and
that's
just
because
of
the
allocation
of
the
new
phone
system.
E
The
only
thing
that
we
really
expect
to
revisit
next
year
would
be
the
bad
debt
expense
and
that
will
kind
of
shake
out
once
we
know
more
about.
You
know
the
curtain,
the
current
situation
and
how
we
proceed
with
that,
and
you
know
how
that
falls
falls
in
place
so
that
that
is
likely
to
come
back
and
be
addressed
again
later
on
future
budget
revisions,
but
that
is
kind
of
what
we
have
presented
so
far
with
what
we,
what
we
know,
any
questions
for
finance.
E
Okay:
okay,
moving
on
the
next
one
will
be
utilities.
E
Okay,
utilities
maintenance
will
I'll
discuss
page
159,
that
is
the
expenditure
page.
We
don't
have
any
again,
there's
no
personnel
changes
requested.
Overall,
this
division
is
down
about
20
percent
and
that
has
to
do
with
some
of
the
capital
capital
projects,
the
mostly
operational
efficiencies
and
then
some
staffing
changes
that
we've
had
they.
This
is
a
division,
that's
responsible
for
taking
care
of
the
electrical
and
mechanical
needs
of
the
city's
utility
systems.
E
You
know
specifically
the
ro
plant,
the
water
reclamation
facility
and
the
stations
again,
there's
four
ftes
in
this
cost
center
and
some
of
the
equipment
has
been
delayed.
That
was
requested,
and
you
will
see
that
in
the
department
request
to
the
city
manager
approved,
but
we
are
going
to
proceed
with
the
lift
station
rehabilitation
project,
which
is
very
important
to
maintain
our
lift
station
system.
E
E
Overall,
the
biggest
project
in
this
paw
center
will
be
the
harbor
palms
water
main
replacement
project.
We
have
budget
about
850
000.
This
will
be
for
phase
two
of
the
project.
Originally
we
had,
if
you
look
at
the
department
request
of
the
city
manager,
approved
you'll,
see
a
pretty
big
variance
in
improvements,
and
that's
mostly
for
this
project.
We
were
kind
of
I
mentioned
before.
E
We
were
initially
planning
to
proceed
with
phase
two
and
phase
three,
but
we
decided
to
kind
of
split
them
out
to
you
know
until
we
knew
more
about
the
funding.
This
is
appropriate
because
each
of
these
phases
does
represent
a
specific
economic
benefit
and
to
the
community
and
to
the
city.
So
we'll
proceed
with
phase
two
again,
we'll
know
more
about
the
pricing
once
and
the
budget
impact
once
we
get
the
bid
results
back,
which
will
be
sometime
next
year.
E
So
overall,
mostly
due
to
the
timing
of
the
capital
projects,
this
fund
is
down
50
or
56
percent,
and
one
thing
you
may
some
of
us
may
note-
or
some
of
you
may
notice-
that
in
the
goals
on
previous
pages
may
not
necessarily
reflect
the
capital,
and
this
could
be
because
either
the
project
is
in
the
design
phase
and
and
other
options.
You
know
other
things
that
would
affect
this
would
be
a
project.
D
C
E
Other
projects
in
this
fund
would
include
the
sewer
line
assessment
project
for
fifty
thousand
dollars-
utility
relocations-
that
is
a
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
plan
for
the
additional
utility
relocation
work
from
the
pinellas
county
forest
lakes
project.
E
E
E
E
The
major
capital
projects
that
we
have
put
forth
in
this
budget
include
the
aeration
system
upgrades,
and
there
was
just
a
council
agenda
item
in
the
last
meeting,
where
we
kind
of
approved
a
design
work
on
this
in
the
initial
work
to
get
make
this
happen,
the
main
lift
station
replacement
is
also
budgeted
for
or
the
pump
replacement
it's
budgeted
for
35
000
and
that
will
be
in
the
in
the
next
year
as
well.
There's
another
big,
the
big
change
on
here
from
the
city.
E
C
You
answered
my
question:
it
was
about
the
the
main
control
building
and
and
based
on
some
of
the
discussion
we've
had
about
the
garage
once
we
get
to
october
and
we
have
a
plan
then,
to
you
know,
permit
and
and
go
through
that
entire
process.
It
makes
sense
to
put
it
out
a
year,
although
it
feels
initially
kind
of
like
a
gut
check,
because
that
was
really
important
to
get
that
going
right.
But
it's
going
thank
you.
E
C
There
he
is
now
the
other
one.
You.
B
E
Page
overall,
this
cost
center
is
down
about
six
percent
and
a
lot
of
that's
due
to
the
timing
of
the
capital
projects.
The
operating
budget
always
runs
very
tight
in
this
division
and
they
do
an
excellent
job
on
preparing
these
budgets.
The
capital
projects
that
we
do
have
in
here
are
replacement
high
service
pump
number
one
upgrade
for
50
000
and
then
a
scada
upgrade
for
42
000..
E
E
And
have
entered
into
a
purchase
order
that
work
is
currently
undergoing
this
fiscal
year.
We've
just
been,
it's
just
been
announced
that
we
will
be
receiving
a
grant
for
75
000,
so
we
will
be
taking
that
back
to
council
and
you
will
see
something
more
about
that,
hopefully,
in
the
current
fiscal
year,
okay,
so.
C
E
Be
coming
up
soon,
but
we
did
get
the
grant
so
there'll
be
75,
000
grant
and
then
75
000
of
additional
expenses
as
well.
Perfect,
exciting
news.
Okay,
any
questions
here,
wonderful!
You
answered
my
question:
okay,
all
right!
Moving
along
to
the
debt
service,
okay,
there
are
three
current
debt
issues
in
the
water
sewer
operating
fund.
E
One
is
for
the
water
booster
station,
which
is
a
big
storage
tank
next
one
of
the
biggest
storage
tanks.
Next
to
the
ro
plant,
this
debt,
matures
in
2022
the
current
balance
at
the
end
of
9
30
20,
is
going
to
be
about
381
thousand.
Overall,
we
have
budgeted
about
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
debt
service.
For
these
three
loans,
the
two
s
are
the
two
srf
loans
that
are
earned,
in
fact,
that
mature
in
2032
are
were
taken
out
to
fund
the
construction
of
the
water
plant
itself.
C
E
Anyway,
moving
on
to
reserves,
oh
wait
on
page
178.,
it's
a
little
surprise.
Oh.
E
Okay,
the
reserves-
this
is
the
money
kind
of,
as
I
was
describing
earlier
about,
the
general
fund
reserve.
This
functions
the
same
way
anything
that's
left
over
after
paying
all
the
current
bills
and
is
put
into
reserve
that
we
will
use
to
fund
some
of
these
future
projects
that
we
have
delayed
until.
D
D
E
Just
checking
okay,
so
that
is
the
end
of
the
water
sewer
operating
fund.
The
next
fund
is
the
water
sewer
impact
fund,
and
this
is
also
an
enterprise
fund.
However,
this
fund
is
used
to
collect
fees
for
that
we
take
in
for
water
sewer
impact
fees
based
on
new
construction,
so
the
next
year
again,
this
has
been
a
a
conservative
approach,
we're
budgeting
about
92
000
between
the
two
fees
about
90
000
between
the
two
fees
that
will
be
used
for
future
projects.
E
D
E
Okay,
this
is
the
last
one
I
will
be
presenting.
Then
we
hand
it
back
over
to
our
city
manager.
This
is
a
storm
water
fund.
So,
if
you
go
to
page
183,
you
can
see
there's
five
employees
in
this
fund
and
we
are
not
scheduling
or
projecting
any
or
requesting
any
increases
in
the
funding
or
the
staffing.
E
The
next
page
is
the
revenue
page.
You
will
see
that
the
overall,
the
revenue
declines
about
30
percent
and
part
of
that
is
due
to
the
timing
of
capital
projects
new
in
this
fund,
you
will
see
a
200
000
transfer
from
it's
a
local
infrastructure
tax
and
what
we
need
this
force
to
help
fund
the
harbor
palms
infrastructure
debt,
so
the
debt
repayment.
So
that's
why
this
has
been
presented
in
there
is
part
of
our
plan.
E
But
again
that's
for
you
know
the
council
to
get
provide
guidance
on
the
revenue
is
essentially
flat.
The
revenue
in
this
fund
is
based
on
impervious
surface
of
all
the
you
know,
the
residential
and
commercial
properties,
we're
not
scheduling,
there's
no
rate
increases
scheduled
and
there's
no
increases
in
the
revenue
projected.
E
Overall,
the
expenses
are
down
about
30
percent.
Some
of
that
is
the
timing
of
capital
capital
projects.
The
biggest
change
in
this
or
the
biggest
project
in
this
fund
will
be
the
harbor
palm
stormwater
system.
Improvements
for
phase
two
again
you'll
see
the
difference
between
the
department
of
requests
and
the
city
manager
is
approved.
E
D
A
D
Your
residential
charge
on
the
utility
bill
now
says:
18
includes
recycling,
it
will
now
either
say,
recycle,
it
will
say
solid
waste,
18,
recycling,
210
or
it'll,
say
20.10
solid
waste.
I
know
I
want
to
separate
it
so
that
we
make
it
clear
to
the
public
that
we're
not
making
it
part
of
the
base
charge.
The
creativity
part
is
just
I
want
to
get
a
head
start
on.
What's
likely
to
be
a
much
larger
increase
moving
forward,
we
have.
D
We
do
have
some
alternatives
which
I'd
like
to
discuss
at
the
workshop
about
how
to
address
that,
because
I've
got
an
operating
margin
with
what
we
pay
republican,
what
we
charge
the
customers
now.
So
we
have
a
few
alternatives
and
I
have
initiated
some
preliminary
conversations
with
republic
we're
not
yet.
D
D
I
want
to
see
what
they
say
they
need
before
I
decide
it
could
be
a
10-minute
conversation
if
they
come
in
and
say
because
I'll
tell
you
what
happened
the
first
time
we
met
with
their
representative
a
year
ago
and
they
wanted
to
in
mid-contract
increase
the
recycling
charge
to
the
same
as
the
solid
race
charge,
which
would
be
a
600
percent
increase.
So
obviously
that
conversation
was
pretty
short
now.
D
They
are
very,
very
excited
about
trying
to
keep
our
business
because
we've
had
a
long-standing
relationship,
and
I
would
maintain
that
for
the
most
part,
with
some
of
the
war
stories
I've
heard
and
experienced
in
my
prior
life,
they're
pretty
good,
I
mean
we
are
they're,
pretty
responsive
and
we
have
to
get
after
them,
but
they
generally
respond.
D
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
right
now-
and
I
had
hoped
to
have
that
first
conversation
before
today,
but
I
couldn't
get
together,
just
kind
of
feel
them
out
and
say
all
right.
You
guys
give
me
an
idea
of
what
you
think.
You
need
the
range
of
those
fees
to
be,
and
then
I'll
tell
you
if
we'll
be
willing
to
entertain
negotiations
for
an
extension
to
the
existing
contract,
as
opposed
to
see
you
at
the
bid
table.
D
If
we
go
to
bid,
I'm
suggesting
to
you,
it'll
be
bad
and
I
obviously
with
covid
may
be
worse.
I
mean
they
were
actually
pretty
good
and
we
helped
them
out
during
covid,
because
we
allowed
them
to
stop
picking
up
yard
waste
just
to
keep
their
guys
off
of
having
to
touch
it,
and
they
appreciated
that.
Although
the
timing
of
it
got
a
little
weird
and
most
people
are
saying,
hey
they're
still
picking
it
up
right,
so
it
it's
kind
of
a
it's
an
ongoing
thing,
but
I
find
them
to
be
pretty
responsive.
D
So
I'm
going
to
try
and
negotiate
that
to
give
you
a
better
idea
of
what
we're
really
looking
at.
But
for
now
I
need
a
head
start
to
the
public
and
I'll
tell
you
I
I
you
know
for
full
disclosure
part
of
what
I'm
saying
here
is
okay
public
right
now
we
take
single
stream
recycling
and
it's
part
of
your
fee,
whether
you
use
it
or
not.
Now
me
personally,
and
this
isn't
mine
to
do
this-
is
yours
to
approve.
D
I
would
like
it
if
the
hauler
provided
us
a
rate
that
allowed
the
customer
to
decide
if
they
wanted
to
use
it.
I've
been
forewarned
by
my
buddies
in
the
city
management
business
that,
if
that,
if
I
insist
on
that,
nobody
will
bid
on
it.
So
I
had
a
what
I
thought
was
a
brilliant
idea,
because
then
I
could
say:
I'm
removing
the
recycling
charge
now
public.
Sorry,
if
you
want
recycling,
this
is
what
it
costs
and
you
have
to
pay
it.
D
But
if
I
can
negotiate
a
deal
where
it
might
be
five
bucks,
it
might
be
ten
bucks,
but
you
don't
have
to
take
it.
If
you
don't
wanna
pay
for
it,
you
don't
have
to
have
the
service.
I
don't
think
I'm
gonna
get
that
done,
because
I
don't
think
they'll
bid
it
or
even
quote
it,
but
what
they
wanted
was
it
feeds
their
business
model
which
is
hilarious
to
me.
C
A
C
D
So
all
I
was
trying
to
do
is
lay
that
out
the
the
fund
is
fairly
easy
to
analyze.
There
are
no
capital
assets
in
it.
It's
a
contract
relationship
with
the
hauler.
You
see,
there's
not
really
much
to
that
needs
to
be
talking
about
the
rates
are
the
revenue
rates
are
staying,
the
same,
the
30
000
increase
in
the
residential
side.
D
We've
analyzed
is
bayside
terrace
they're
now
on
the
books,
full
blast,
so
that
gets
us
a
little
extra
residential
revenue
for
solid
waste,
but
other
it's
pretty
flat.
Remember
the
commercial
waste
account
is
always
going
to
kind
of
be
a
pass
through
like
our
solid
waste
disposal
fees.
Well,
if
they
go
up,
probably
means
the
commercial
revenue
has
gone
up
more
than
likely
even
higher,
because
we
passed
through
the
tear
that
six
percent
the
37.50
now
going
to
be
40
45.50
that
we
don't
pay
that
we
pass
that
along.
D
D
I
the
only
indicator
I
had
was
a
year
ago.
They
wanted
us
to
allow
them
to
charge
1268,
which
is
the
success
where
it
was
two
dollars
and
10
cents
wow.
Okay,
so
I
I'm
the
the
reason
I'm
taking.
This
approach
is
because,
if
they're
willing
to
negotiate
something
that,
I
think
is
reasonable
under
the
circumstances
I
know
it's
going
to
be
an
increase,
but
we
have
a
little
room
to
play
with
on
the
margin,
and
maybe
we
go
to
once
a
week.
D
Maybe
you
know
there's
a
bunch
of
things
you
can
do
to
mitigate
the
damage
of
the
worst
case
scenario,
but
I
have
to
have
that
conversation
with
them
before
we
decide.
If
sorry,
we'll
see
you
next
year's
bid,
I'm
sure
they'll
bid,
I
mean
they
want
the
business
they're
desperate
for
the
business.
I
I
personally
think
that
hillsborough
county
did
a
smart
thing,
not
a
popular
thing,
but
a
smart
thing
to
go.
D
D
A
Well,
you
know,
along
that
lines,
you're
suggesting
that
we
make
the
increase
specific
to
recycling
the
210.
D
Because
that's
what
we
pay
the
hauler
for
the
second
back
when
we
started
this,
we
were
negotiating
whether
we
wanted
to
do
it
in-house
and
take
advantage
of
the
spot
markets,
and
I
wouldn't
have
any
part
of
it.
Luckily
bruce
agreed.
So
we
said
no,
this
is
your
problem.
You
because
we
did
that
years
ago.
We
used
to
do
it,
we
did
it
with
clearwater.
We
had
a
good
relationship
with
clearwater,
because
when
the
norman,
the
markets
are
normal,
the
volume
helps.
But
clearwater
was
such
a
big
operation.
We
were
making
some
decent
money
there.
A
I
would
defer
to
you
on
this
quite
honestly,
but
my
only
point
only
point
would
be.
If
suddenly,
you
know
I've
sat
in
meetings
at
the
mayor's
council
and
with
presentations
on
solid
waste
and
there's
some
real
questions
about
the
viability
of
recycling
and,
if
that's
tagged
as
a
recycling
fee
and
suddenly
recycling
isn't
there
yet
we're
still
getting
hit
on
the
other
side
of
solid
waste.
D
Well,
if
we
don't
do
it,
we're
still
paying
them
for
one
more
year
and
we're
still
getting
paid
for
it.
In
other
words,
if
we
don't
change
anything,
we're
still
getting
essentially
210
out
of
our
18
to
pay
for
it.
That
way,
I'm
trying
to
do
two
things,
I'm
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
fact
that
I
think
the
increase
is
going
to
be
a
lot
worse
and
we
get
a
little
piece
of
it
done
and
I'm
trying
to
communicate
to
the
we
know
how
popular
I
am
with
the
water
customers
we
we
want
to.
D
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
they
understood
that
there
was
a
charge
for
recycling
now
they
just
didn't
see
it.
I
want
them
to
see
it,
so
I
was
trying
to
do
that
both
but
I'll
do
whatever
council
wants
to
do,
and
I
say
we
have
a
little
room
depending
on
what
I
get
done
with
republic
conversationally,
we'll
come
at
you
with
some
alternatives
to
this
that
you
know,
there's
some
things
we
might
be
able
to
do,
but
if
we
do
them
now,
does
it
make
it
worse
down
the
road?
D
So
I'd
like
to
see
if
an
extension
is
even
remotely
possible
before
we
go
too
far
down
that
road,
we'll
survive?
If
you
don't
want
to
do
an
increase
this
year,
we'll
survive
with
the
fun
made
a
little
money,
we'll
be
okay,
but
I
wanted
to
get
ahead
of
it.
If
that
were
possible,
all
right
who
has
questions.
A
B
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
you
commented
on
the
mayor's
council
talking
about
this
and
I
have
a
question
for
you
and
then
a
comment
on
the
resilience
coalition.
There's
been
talk
about
pinellas
county
taking
over
recycling.
Have
you
heard
anything
on
that
front
because
we
have
not
been
meeting
during
covent.
A
I
have
I've
heard
that
there
is
a
lot
of
discussion.
Excuse
me
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it
and
there
is
an
interest,
but
it
is
probably
in
the
future,
and
I
don't
know
that
most
people
feel
a
capital
investment
to
make
it
happen
that
it's
something
that's
going
to
happen.
I
don't
know
that
it's
moved
any
I've
heard
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it,
just
not
so
sure
that
anything
is
going
to
happen
on
it.
B
Okay,
I
am
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
alternatives
al
that
you're
talking
about
and
as
an
avid
recycler
speaking
for
you
know
some
of
us.
I
would
not
mind
seeing
that
it's
separate
on
the
bill
and
that
it
cost
more.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
all
of
those
alternatives
are,
and
the
last
point
I
heard
you
say
something
about
glass
may
or
something
about
glass.
But
I
didn't
hear
what
you
said.
B
B
A
B
Oh
okay:
well
I
just
thought
that
it
was
a
little
fun
fact
for
people
to
realize
that
it's
not
as
environmentally
detrimental
to
throw
glass
into
solid
waste
as
opposed
to
glass
into
recycling.
So,
but
you
guys
all
know,
this
is
something
that
I'm
I'm
at.
You
know
I'm
passionate
about,
but
we
also
have
to
be
conservative
with
our
taxpayer
dollars.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
alternative.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
Thank.
B
B
A
B
Dab,
thank
you.
I
agree
because
I'm
trying
to
think
trying
to
think
through
the
perspective
of
those
that
don't
recycle,
you
know
they're
going
to
see
something
a
recycling
fee.
Well,
why
am
I
paying
for
this
because
this
would
be
for
every
account
correct
al
yep
right
now,
so
you
know
imagine
all
the
questions
that
may
arise
from
that,
but
to
council
member
soraki's
point.
B
I
think
it's
even
if
we
don't
know
the
numbers
right
now,
the
sooner
we
can
have
any
more
of
a
refined
picture
to
be
out
there
and
say
hey
public,
be
forewarned,
there's
something
that's
going
to
be
not
so
attractive.
That's
coming
your
way,
the
the
more
we
can
get
out
in
front
of
that,
I
think,
is
gonna
just
smooth
whatever
wave
that
does
hit
us.
C
Councilmember,
soraki
and-
and
you
actually,
I
I
had
a
question
for
you,
mr
mayor
labeling-
it
recycling
so
there's
not
necessarily
any
opposition
to
the
2.10
issue.
It's
how
do
we
label
this
to
best
package
it
for
acceptance?
Because
to
mr
knapp's
point
this
is
recycling
I
don't
recycle.
Why
am
I
getting
charged
for
this,
or
somebody
saying
you
know
later
on
down
the
line?
Well,
recycling
isn't
a
thing
anymore.
C
So
now
we
have
this
broken
out
piece
that
we
can
no
longer
collect
on,
but
then
I
I
was
unsure
of
how
else
we
could
label
it
or
if
breaking
it
out
is
something
we
should
do.
Maybe
we
just
lump
it
into
the
existing
charge
without
breaking
out
the
recycle.
The
word
recycling
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
get
a
feel
for
that.
A
Well,
you
know
my
thoughts
on
that
were
just
that.
I
think
that
it
makes
sense
that
it's
just
an
increase
of
210
and
that
we
don't
charge
for
recycling,
because
you
know
it's
what
people
are
custom
accustomed
to.
It
is
an
increase
right,
but
it's
an
increase
that
is
a
hopefully
gives
us
some
leverage
to
maybe
allow
them.
You
know
because
I
think
part
of
the
way
that
you'll
end
up
leveraging
a
better
contract
or
a
better
renewal
rate,
I
should
say,
is
by
allowing
them
to
come
back
early.
I.
A
I'm
doing
it
and
so
yeah,
because
it
makes
sense
I
mean
they
can.
You
know
they
can
mitigate
some
some
of
the
laws
that
I
doubted
or
have
a
loss
right
now,
but
certainly
a
loss
in
margin.
Now,
with
the
hopes
that
our
citizens
don't
get
sticker
shocked
later
because
there's
no
question:
listen.
Our
expenses
have
gone
up
period,
but
this
way,
if
there
are
something
some
strangeness
that
happens
with
recycling,
you
know
it's
irrelevant
to
what
we're
charging.
A
The
other
thing
is
to
council
member
knapp's
point
and
sharaki's
point
of
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
recycle
and
now
all
of
a
sudden
they're
going
to
see
that
mine
item
on
their
on
their
bill
and
go
wait.
Why
am
I
being
charges?
I
don't
recycle.
I
don't
want
to
res
whatever
the
it
just
keeps
it
simple.
We
may
hear
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
you
know
it
just
costs
more
to
just
cost
more
more.
B
Last
comment:
I
want
to
also
mention
what
al
mentioned
about
republic
services.
I
feel
they
do
a
fantastic
job
and
he
is
correct
if
there
is
an
issue
they
take
care
of
it
right
away,
and
I
do
like
his
idea
of
getting
a
head
start
on
doing
the
bid
process
with
them.
Now
before
we
go
to
bid.
That's
all
I
have
in
there.
A
Very
good
all
right,
any
other
questions,
comments
food.
So
I
I
think
that
you've
got
a
consensus
from
the
council
on
the
210,
probably
that
it's
not
broken
out.
It's
just.
D
A
A
C
C
B
A
That's
right,
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
we'll
just
take
it
out
of
the
city,
manager's
budget
yeah.
That's.
D
A
Have
any
specifics
anything
on
the
capital
improvement
program?
I
think
we
covered
as
we
went
through
it
vice
mayor.
Do
you
have
anything.
B
B
B
A
E
That
is
187
187.
A
C
Promise
just
this
last
one
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
a
work
session
as
far
as
the
downtown
and
town
center
and
a
solid
waste
workshop.
I
just
want
to
make
that
super
clear
that
I'm
hoping
to
see
those
dates
come
up
on
agenda
very.
A
A
Let
me
thank
you
all
for
your
hard
work
on
this.
It's
an
outstanding
document,
great
information.
Yes,
we
know
that
you
put
a
lot
of
passion
into
it
and
it
shows
so
we
does
not
go
unappreciated.
All
right.
All
right,
chair
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.
I
have
a
motion
from
nap.
I
have
a
second
from
gannon
any
discussion,
sensing
you're
ready
to
vote
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
motion
we're
adjourned.