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A
A
A
B
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
thursday
february
11th
2021
city
council
workshop
to
order.
The
first
two
items
on
the
agenda
are
our
invocation
and
pledge
of
allegiance.
Please
rise
by
your
head
and
assume
an
attitude
of
prayer.
Dear
heavenly
father,
we
thank
you
for
this
day.
We
thank
you
for
all
the
blessings
that
you
give
us
to
put
upon
our
city,
how
you
wrap
your
arm
around
us
and
keep
us
all
safe.
B
Thank
you
please
be
seated.
Please
make
sure
your
cell
phones
are
off.
If
you
don't
mind
just
a
couple
of
things
before
we
begin,
we
are
practicing
the
cdc
guidelines
and
social
distancing
and
we're
spread
out
up
here.
B
So
we'd
ask
that
you
wear
your
face
mask
unless
you're
at
the
podium
speaking.
I
won't
wear
mine
because
I
I
talk
a
lot.
I
guess,
but
if
you're
comfortable,
take
it
off
while
you're
speaking,
if
not
feel
free
to
leave
it
on
all
right.
The
first
item
on
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
citizens
open
forum.
Is
there
anybody
here
who
wishes
to
speak
I'll
start
on
this
side
of
the
room?
B
No
one
on
this
side
of
the
room.
At
this
time
I
will
close
the
citizens
open
forum
all
right
before
we
get
going.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
of
comments,
as
I'm
sure
everyone
is
aware
of
the
cyber
intrusion
that
took
place
at
the
oldsmar
water
plant.
B
B
Our
operator
saw
what
was
taking
place
and
was
able
to
take
immediate
action
and
correct
correct
the
tampering
that
took
place
with
one
of
the
settings,
and
so
there
was
never
a
point
where
there
was
anybody
that
was
in
danger.
The
water
alkalinity
did
not
change
had
had
the
individual
not
been
successful
in
doing
their
job.
B
There
are
other
fail-safes
that
we
have
built
into
the
system
that
would
have
absolutely
alerted
everyone
long
before
it
would
have
got
to
anyone's
tap,
and
so
that's
the
good
news
right.
The
bad
news
is-
and
I've
said
this
a
couple
times
on
in
some
interviews.
The
bad
news
is
that
this
is
a
reality
that
we're
dealing
with.
I
hate
that
it
happened
here
in
oldsmar.
B
Clearly,
it's
become
a
discussion
nationally
and
internationally,
since
it
occurred
in
our
little
town,
and
you
know
in
an
odd
way
we're
leading
the
way
the
fbi
provided
some
guidance
to
some
of
the
water
plants
and
and
that
information
has
been
made
public
by
some
of
the
reporters,
and
the
only
thing
I
would
say
to
it
is:
if
you
see
it,
the
fbi
identified
some
deficiencies
that
that
we
have
in
some
of
our
cyber
security.
B
The
good
news
is
that
we're
already
working
on
taking
care
of
that
and,
like
I
said,
our
our
protocols
worked,
and
so
it's
really
it's
a
much
bigger
story
than
oldsmar.
Well,
let's
just
put
it
that
way,
and
so
anyhow
we're
grateful
to
our
staff
who
works
hard
and
executes
their
job.
Well
right.
So
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say
on
that
and
our
city
manager
will
have
more
on
our
council
meeting
on
tuesday
all
right
so
we're
here
today.
B
Regarding
economic
development,
specifically
to
work
on
the
cra
and
some
of
the
property
owned
by
the
city,
I
I
like
to
call
it
the
the
library,
property
and
the
city
hall
property,
because
it's
easy
easy
to
visualize,
but
it's
really
all
part
of
the
town
center.
Okay,
and
so
let
me
tell
you
how
this
is
going
to
go.
You
know
we
have
some
developers
here
and
one
is
actually
in
by
phone.
B
We
intended
to
zoom
with
them.
We
had
a
technical
problem,
so
we're
going
to.
We
come
up
with
a
a
plan
b
to
make
that
work.
B
They've
had
discussions
with
what
I
might
say,
the
first
round
of
vetting,
if
you
will,
with
the
city,
manager
and
assistant
city
manager
and
tom,
our
city
attorney,
and
so
the
goal
here
is
to
provide
those
developers
with
an
opportunity
to
finally
be
able
to
show
the
council
what
concepts
they
have
in
mind.
Mind
you.
It
may
not
be
the
final
that
they're
presenting,
but
it's
an
opportunity
for
them
to
get
some
initial
feedback
from
the
council
who
actually
will
ultimately
vote
on
it.
B
It's
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
see
more
about
it,
and
so
we'll
get
an
opportunity
to
ask
some
questions,
give
some
feedback
and
then
we're
not
ranking
anybody.
There's
nothing
like
that
taking
place.
What
would
happen
in
the
next
step
would
be.
B
B
What
we
would
hope
would
be
a
development
agreement,
a
purchase
agreement,
there's
a
few
other
agreements
to
go
with
those
agreements
and
bring
it
back
to
us,
and
we
move
on
all
right.
Any
questions
counsel,
very
good,
very
good.
This
is
such
a
good
council.
I
swear.
I
missed
you
all
been
a
while.
I
missed
you
all
this
week.
B
I
will
say
this
that
our
city
and
I'm
gonna
give
some
props
to
our
city
manager,
our
assistant
city
manager,
our
clerk
and
everybody
who
you
know
and
the
water
department
and
utilities.
It's
been
a
it's
been
a
trying
week.
It's
been
one
that
has
been
a
bit
overwhelming
at
times,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
I
you
know
it
doesn't
seem
to
matter
what
gets
thrown
our
way.
You
know
everyone
rises
to
the
occasion,
and
I
can
tell
you
as
mayor
and
as
your
council.
We
do
appreciate
it
all
right.
B
D
Okay,
I'd
like
to
start
with
a
back
story
about
this
project.
Last
year
I
was
in
a
budget
meeting
in
this
chamber,
and
I
saw
that
there
was
a
black
box
theater
in
a
capital
plan.
Maybe
I
don't
know
three
five
years
out
and
I
was
working
on
this
parcel
as
a
whole
from
a
development
standpoint
for
residential,
and
it
got
me
thinking
that
there
was
a
building
on
site
that
kind
of
fit
the
bill
of
a
black
box
theater.
D
So
what
you'll
see
today
is
a
presentation
that
kind
of
evolved
around
that
being
the
central
core
of
the
redevelopment
of
the
property.
So
I'll
show
you
some
images
and
we'll
get
into
that
and
get
some
questions.
But
the
back
story
was
this.
I
heard
somebody
say
it.
Three
to
five
years
seemed
like
a
long
time.
We've
had
an
incredible
turnout,
the
past
two
years
with
with
suda
and
the
group
seemed
like
a
long
time
and
I
was
driving
by
every
day.
I
see
this
building
and
that's
how
this
kind
of
got
connected.
D
So
it
was
really
a
matter
of
luck
that
I
was
here
at
the
budget
meeting
to
even
to
hear
about
that,
because
I
didn't
know
what
a
black
box
theater
was
so
the
old
mar
odeon
project,
if
you'll
flip,
slides
we'll
start
with
for
those
that
don't
know
because
I
didn't
what
is
the
hexa
black
box
theater,
so
I
went
back
and
googled
it
and
started
learning
about
it.
You'll
see
some
images
here.
D
It
really
is
a
flexible
performance
space
with
simple
unadorned
design
and
there's
a
picture
there
of
the
murray
theater,
which
is
attached
to
currently
to
ruth
eckert
hall,
it's
very
fairly
new.
It
is
incredibly
simple
but
really
exquisite
in
terms
of
the
execution
and
how
it
operates.
So
we
learned
a
lot
there.
D
So
that's
the
black
boxer
for
those
that
don't
know
they're
listening
in
I'm
now
educated
as
well
as
you
are
too
so
next
slide.
Please.
So
I
like
to
nickname
things
it's
my
jam,
so
I
was
looking
at
other
words
for
black
box.
Theater
didn't
roll
off
the
tongue
as
much
as
I'd
like,
and
I
came
up
with
odeon
doing
some
research.
D
Right,
the
common
first
one
called
a
theater
by
the
way,
but
that
sounded
boring
and
oldsmar's,
not
boring
so
next
slide.
So
imagine
having
a
and
the
idea
here
is
imagine
the
theater
that
we
had
at
the
turn
of
the
century
in
1918
was
a
little
derelict
and
we're
going
to
restore
it.
That
was
the
theme
I
was
trying
to
go
with
here.
D
Just
because
it's
the
building
I'll
show
you
in
a
minute
is
currently
not
very
adorned
with
theater-like
details.
There's
no
reason
it
couldn't
be
with
some
creative
thinking.
So
here's
some
visual
images
of
some
small
theaters
around
the
country.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
what
a
historic
theater
could
look
like
very
simple,
not
not
ornate
or
crazy,
and
I
think,
would
fit
in
with
the
town
and
from
the
back
story.
It
would
look,
we
would
want
it
to
look
like
it
had
been
here
a
long
time.
D
So
those
are
those
four
images,
just
just
really
random
images
of
what
I
consider
to
be
scale,
matched
to
what
we're
talking
about
next
slide.
So
here's
where
the
rubber
hits
the
road
there's
a
beamworks
building
there
that's
been
there
for
30
plus
years.
The
city
owns
it.
It's
part
of
the
larger
parcel
of
seven
acres.
It
is,
it
is
shaped
like
a
theater,
it
has
high
ceilings
like
a
theater.
Has
steel
beams
like
a
theater?
It
wants
to
be
a
theater.
D
I
know
it
does.
It's
got
big
overhead
doors
for
loading
docks
and
it
has
all
the
bones.
The
verdict's
still
out
whether
the
building
is
is
going
to
be
perfect
for
structurally,
but
for
a
minute
pretend
it
is
right
just
for
today
pretend
it
is
for
a
minute
and
it's
the
idea.
We're
trying
to
say
is
the
anchor
of
the
project
when
we
get
some
further
slide,
you'll
see
how
it
anchors
the
project
in
its
entirety.
D
So
that's
where
the
idea
that
beamworks
building
connects
the
dot
to
the
black
box,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
next
slide.
So
now
what
we're
calling
the
library
theater
district,
let's
see
the
play
on
words
there
again.
This
is
the
library
on
the
right
side,
the
blank
slide.
That's
the
library
in
the
parking
lot,
the
left
side
of
the
site
is
the
seven
acres
that
you
all
are
aware
of.
It's
had
different
many
different
versions
of
development
brought
to
you.
D
This
particular
one
is
revolves
around
96
units
of
townhouses,
it's
zoned
for
105,
but
I
think
96
is
about
appropriate
96
to
98
units.
They
are
the
the
trick.
Here
is
all
the
units
on
front
which
front
st
pete,
drive
and
state
street
are
of
the
live
work
variety.
D
D
So
this
is
the
whole
parcel
to
show
you
with
special
consideration
for
the
neighbors
on
arlington,
of
which
I
am
one
of
them.
You'll
see
no
breakthrough
to
that
site.
D
No
school
street
and
we've
also
pulled
all
the
buildings
as
far
up
as
I
can
well
above
the
setback
to
keep
it
as
far
away
from
those
buildings,
as
as
we
can
to
try
to
to
pay
attention
to
those
those
neighbors
mainly
on
each
side
of
school
street.
D
So
there's
currently
a
pool
building
back
there,
whether
that
stays
there
or
not.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
a
low
slung
building,
one
story
and
all
of
the
vegetation
and
natural
state
of
that
parcel
which
is
school
street
and
then
the
where
the
ditch
runs
through
is
currently
designed
to
be
not
touched.
Besides,
maybe
mowed,
but
it
is
no
trees
removed,
nothing
back
there,
so
visually
we're
trying
to
protect
that
neighborhood
from
this
development.
As
we
know,
this
development
is
zoned
already
for
these
units.
There
is
no
zoning
requirement.
D
There's
no
currently,
no
variances
someone's
going
to
develop
this.
I
hope
it's
us
because
I'll
take
special
care
to
make
sure
the
architecture
is
of
excellent
quality
and
that
the
neighborhood,
including
my
own,
is
paid
attention
to,
but
I
think
we
have
a
better
shot
at
mitigating
some
of
those
concerns
than
maybe
a
guy.
That's
going
to
just
clear
cut
the
place
and
build
for
money.
D
Architecture
is
my
priority
money.
Second,
you
guys
know
this
from
hayes
park
village.
So
that's
a
little
background.
The
whole
parcel.
I
wanted
to
show
you
a
few
ideas
about
how
the
project
could
look
on
the
live
works
side.
Those
remember
those
are
the
the
numbers,
six
four
eight
and
six
that
are
up
front.
That's
the
unit
count
of
that
building.
Those
four
buildings
are
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
today,
I'm
not
showing
any
of
the
interior
buildings
today,
because
I
don't
have
the
builder
picked.
D
A
national
builder
would
be
developing
the
actual
product
quickly,
much
quicker
than
I
could
so.
Devin
rushnell
and
I
from
hayes
park,
are
involved
in
this
project
to
get
it
ready
to
go
architecturally
speaking,
so
that
a
national
builder
could
do
so.
So
I
don't
have
the
product
to
show
you
on
that
yet,
but
I
assure
you
it
will
look
good
next
slide
please.
D
D
These
are
concrete
block,
downstairs,
siding
above
to
match
the
architecture
of
the
inside
of
the
unit
of
the
inside
of
the
of
the
project.
Next
slide,
here's
some
more!
You
can
see
some
porches
again
we're
expecting.
I
don't
expect
a
large
restaurant
here,
because
the
units
aren't
big
enough,
but
we
have
plenty
of
space
for
office
small
office
and
even
cafe
lots
of
different
choices
here,
because
we
have
24
of
the
96
units
are
designed
to
be
like
this.
D
So
that's
a
quarter
of
the
project,
and
the
idea
here
is
the
front
on
st
pete
drive,
would
look
like
we've
been
praying
for
years
that
we
have
a
downtown.
It
would
have
that
walkable
feeling
side
wide
sidewalks.
You
could
have
a
cafe
out
there,
but
have
all
the
what
you
could
say.
We've
heard
for
five
years
now
of
preaching
to
the
developers
to
make
it
walkable
and
scalable.
So
these
are
just
some
more
possibilities
of
how
it
could
look
and
again
I
encouraged
some
feedback
here
to
make
sure
I
didn't
miss
the
mark.
D
So
I'm
trying
to
go
fast
leave
some
time
for
questions.
Oh,
the
next
slide
is
just
a
plug.
Thank
you.
That's
a
beautiful
village!
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
familiar
with
that
place,
we're
very
happy
how
it
turned
out
on
the
left,
yeah,
the
guy
in
the
blue
house.
You
guys
know
him
right
next
to
the
red
house.
D
So
that
that's
my
quick
back
story,
so
I'm
hoping
there's
some
questions
that
I
can
help
answer.
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
good,
very
good.
All
right,
let
me
do
this.
Let
me
start
down
with
council
member
norris.
C
Okay,
thank
you
mayor.
You
know
I
love
the
art.
Sculpture
got
to
say
that
first,
so
the
24
of
the
46
units
are
live
work,
so
that
means
that
the
person
that
would
be
purchasing
one
of
those
24
units
that
would
be
that
it
would
potentially
be
somebody
that
has
their
own
business,
because
it's
all
one
thing
so
they'd
be
buying
the
three
stories,
the
two
residentials
on
top
and
the
garage
and
the
space
for
work.
Is
that
correct
that.
D
Is
absolutely
correct
and
our
current
zoning
allows
that
person
that
owns
it
to
rent
it
out
as
well?
Oh,
but
the
idea
is,
they
would
own
it's
a
fee,
simple
townhouse,
so
that
means
you
own.
The
property
under
the
building,
so
you'd
own,
all
three
floors,
and
I
would
envision
frankly,
some
people
not
putting
their
shingle
out
and
making
it
their
little
home
office
or
theater,
but
they
could
rent
it
out
as
well.
They
couldn't
sell
it,
they
couldn't
separate
the
unit,
but
they
could
they
could
rent
it
out.
Okay,.
C
Gotcha,
I'm
not
seeing
a
lot
of
green
space.
Is
that
just
because
it's
not
on
the
plan
or
like,
is
there
any
common
green
space
area?
Is
that,
like
a
pool
in
the
back,
you
had
mentioned.
D
Yes,
there
will
be
some
green
space
in
the
center
core
behind
the
units.
Remember
this
property
is
in
the
cra
and
has
a
possibility
for
off-site
retention
so
there,
if
there
is
any
small
retention,
that
would
also
be
green
space.
But
yes,
there
is
no
amenities.
Besides
the
pool
building
and
probably
a
small
dog
run,
and
then
some
you
know
green
space
between
the
units,
but
you're
right.
It
is
more
of
an
urban
core
type,
feel
it
won't
be
a.
There
won't
be
a
large
vast
swath
of
of
walkable
trails.
C
D
B
And
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
do
just
so.
We
establish
some
rules
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
council,
we'll
ask
two
questions
each
that
way,
because
we
probably
have
overlapping
questions
and
we'll
continue
to
go
around
and
until
we
accomplish
this
or
until
we
run
long
on
time,
all
right,
councilmember,
sir.
E
D
Be
for
sale,
mr
soraki
they'll
definitely
be
for
sale.
National
builder
would
sell
them
as
far
as
price
point
goes,
they
would
set
the
price
point,
but
I
know
currently
the
average
price
in
oldsmar
on
new
is
210
a
square
foot
right,
and
these
are
about
they're
currently
about
two
thousand
square
feet
of
again.
These
are
the
interior
units
not
to
live
work.
The
interior
unit's
about
two
thousand
square
feet.
So
I
would
do
the
math
approximately
in
the
four
three,
probably
the
high
threes.
D
They
start,
depending
on
the
premium
of
the
view,
a
lot
of
the
units
on
the
back
face
the
pond
and
the
maybe
it's
not
a
pond,
but
it's
a
dot
retention.
So
there
will
be
some
pricing,
but
I
would
say
in
the
high
threes
and
then
the
live
work
units
would
be
more
than
that,
because
the
square
footage
downstairs
is
converted
into
air-conditioned
space.
E
F
Okay,
I
have
a
few,
so
maybe
we
can
circle
back,
but
the
first
one
being
based
on
my
experience.
As
you
know,
with
haze
park
village,
it
looks
like
there's
a
an
ample
increase
in
the
amount
of
parking
for
this
project
and
I'm
sure
you
probably
know
learning
from
prior
projects.
So
I
that's
actually
kind
of
more
just
a
comment.
F
It
looks
it
without
counting
it.
It
looks
adequate,
especially
factoring
the
theater
in
there.
The
one
question
which
I
think
you
may
have
mentioned
was
it's.
I
guess
it's
the
southernmost
part
of
the
property,
but
the
the
top
part
there
is
that
you
said
a
pool
and
a
pool
house.
D
Currently,
please
remember
that
site
plane
is
fluid
in
terms
of
that's
the
preliminary,
but
right
now
that's
shown
as
a
pool
house
in
a
little
cabana
with
a
bathroom
and
a
pool.
Okay.
But
yes,
that's
what's
shown
in
the
back.
F
All
right
and
then
just
one
final
question-
was
that
like
a
little
kind
of
cut
through
at
the
intersection
of
st
pete
drive
and
state
street
at
the
southwestern
corner
of
that,
drawing
no.
D
If
you
want
to
back
up
a
few,
that's
another
good
point:
that
is,
I
envision
that
to
be
a
corner
monument,
I'm
not
showing
it
now,
but
that
that
space
is
like
a
plaza
to
me.
I
think,
on
our
corner
at
the
gateway
to
the
downtown.
It
needs
to
be
something
so
that's
separated.
So
if
you
look
at
that
gap
in
the
triangle,
it's
a
couple
there
you
go
between
the
six
and
the
four
on
the
left
hand,
side
that
big
gap.
D
D
H
Thank
you,
mayor,
john,
really,
exciting
stuff
who
would
own
and
operate
the
theater?
What's
your
vision
of
how
the
transaction
would
go
as
to
the
black
box
theater?
Is
this
like
a
sale,
respect
does
the
city
own,
it
does
some
third
party
it's
going
to
be?
Can.
F
H
So
then,
my
second
question
is,
I
know
it's
great
to
be
theoretical
and
just
for
today
the
beamworks
building
works,
but
I'm
really
excited
about
this
concept
of
a
black
box
theater.
So
what
if
the
beamworks
building
doesn't
work.
D
Well,
the
good
news
is:
we
have
lots
of
options
because
the
site's
designed
for
less
units
in
zone
four
and
we
take
out
the
black
box
theater
and
relocate
it
into
a
new
spot.
It
doesn't
change
the
density
or
the
financial
deal
of
the
prop
the
project.
In
our
opinion,
so
we've
got
two
or
three
places.
To
put
it.
B
F
Good
news
and
bad
news
I'll
give
you
the
bad
news.
First,
we
have
had
the
building
evaluated
and
I
think
I
shared
with
you
that
when
john
approached
us
with
the
idea,
we
kind
of
said
we
weren't
sure
the
building
was
going
to
make
it
and
in
actually
coordination
with
both
john
and
devin.
We
both
reviewed
the
report
and
I've
concluded
that
I'm
not
going
to
remember,
recommend
keeping
the
building
building
needs
to
go
now.
That's
the
bad
news,
here's
the
good
news
again
in
coordination
with
john
and
devin.
F
We
think
it
would
be
really
cool
an
exciting
idea.
Instead
of
doing
that
to
carve
out
what
I'll
say
generically
is
the
south
eastern
portion
of
the
diagram
you're
looking
at
and
have
them
build
us
a
theater.
We
negotiate
the
deal.
We
don't
convey
that
part
of
the
property
it'll
change
his
design
somewhat,
but
they're
amenable
they
build
us
a
theater.
We
put
it
right
on
state
street.
We
have
the
front
end,
it's
not
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
park.
F
We
can
use
the
back
parking
from
the
library
and
have
a
great
city
asset,
that's
highly
visible
and
could
generate
a
whole
lot
of
enthusiasm
on
st
petersburg.
Drive
john
and
devin
have
been
great
to
work
with,
and
they
like
the
idea
too.
So
we
were
approaching
you
guys
to
say
if
you
guys
bless
that
that's
what
we'll
base
the
negotiations
for
the
whole
thing
on.
We
think
that's
a
much
better
answer.
D
D
Well
that,
but
that's
where
it
fits
and
it
fits
fine,
it
looks
great
and
we
still
by
the
way,
believe
that
this
black
box,
theater
or
the
odeon
building
is
a
central
asset
to
the
developer
and
the
people
that
want
to
live
here.
So
this
is
not
just
a
municipal
project.
It's
part
of
the
core
of
the
project
itself,
like
it's
the
it's
the
reason
for
the
project,
so
whether
it
goes
where
it
is
now
or
it
moves
over
by
the
library.
C
B
Your
first
two
yeah
how'd
that
happen
all
right.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
What
do
you
anticipate
and
I
I
recognize
that
this
is
concept
right,
but
if
you're
spitballing,
what
do
you?
What
do
you
kind
of
anticipate
the
overall
cost
of
the
project?
When
you
look
at
it,
it's
a
x
dollar
size
project.
D
I
did
this
math
and
I
don't
remember
what
it
was
devin
you
do.
Quick
spitballing.
Are
you
thinking
on
the
right
retail?
I
think
it's
40
million
dollar
project.
It's
my
it's
my
recollection
of
taxable
value.
Yeah.
I
mean
that's
40
million
dollars,
including
the
black
box,
so
okay,
but
that's
a
spitballing
all
right.
B
B
And
I'm
like
brilliant
right
and
I'm
going
to
give
some
props,
because
you
know
the
history
and
we're
not
there.
Yet
we've
got
a
long
way
to
go,
but
the
history
of
that
came
you're,
never
going
to
believe
the
very
first
person
I
heard
say:
blacks,
black
box
theater,
and
I
was
thought
it
was
such
an
exciting
idea.
It
was
our
city
manager
that
guy
and
you
know
how
much
he
loves
spending
money
on
things
like
that,
so
I
I
wasn't
and
he
was
motivated
by
suit
his
dancers
right.
B
So
it's
it's
exciting,
so
understanding,
then
the
process
as
well
as
that
you
do
and
let's
just
say
from
a
point
when
we
were
to
get
to
a
development
agreement
that
might
be
approved.
Of
course
you
know
in
this
process
because
it's
property
in
the
cra.
We
have
that
stop
30-day
window
anytime.
We
do
a
deal
so
kind
of
keeping
that
in
mind.
D
I
need
to
answer
that
in
two
parts.
The
first
one
is
going
to
take
us
at
least
90
days
to
do
all
the
engineering
and
the
design
work
for
road
streets
to
make
sure
this
is
all
viable
drainage
retention,
a
lot
of
work
and
money
to
be
spent
before
we
even
give
it
to
our
national
builder
partner.
Who
then,
would
take
six
months
to
run
it
through
at
the
most
six
months
to
run
it
through
their
process
to
get
funded.
So
to
me,
that's
a
nine
month
process
minimum.
D
Maybe
we
can
do
it
shorter,
but
I
doubt
it
so
just
to
give
you
an
idea,
three
months
for
us
six
months
for
them,
and
that
is
to
that
is
to
close
six
nine
months
to
close
on
the
property.
Okay,.
B
All
right
and
then
and
then
I
would
assume
at
that
point,
the
project's
funded
the
goal
and
you've
got
engineering
work
done.
I
would
assume
that
the
next
day
you
want
to
try
to
start
moving
as
fast
as
you
could.
Is
that
fair
to
say,
or
is
it
to
say
it's
a
nine
month
till
closing
probably
means
we
don't
turn
dirt
for
three
months
afterwards,
I'm
just
I'll
defer
that
question.
D
And
how
long
does
the
theater
take
probably
about
the
same
yeah,
so
the
builder
partner,
once
they
close
on
the
land
they're
going
to
want
they're
already
going
to
be
ready
to
mobilize
they're
not
going
to
then
bid
it
out
that
part
of
that
six
months
is
then
to
get
it
bidded
out,
get
it
approved,
get
it
funded,
get
it
closed
and
then
I'm,
I
would
hope,
within
weeks
and
days,
probably
not
weeks
days,
that
you'd
have
to
see
equipment
out
there,
because
they
now
cost
them
money.
Every
day
that
there's
no
house.
F
I'm
done,
and
maybe
you
had
already
said
this
john
would-
and
I
know
this
came
up
as
a
previous
proposal
for
this
property.
As
far
as
building
height
goes,
are
these
all
units
going
to
be
three
stories
or
where
there'll
be
a
mix
of
two
and
three.
D
Currently,
they're
designed
for
three
it's
a
great
question.
This
property
is
in
floodplain,
so
the
units
that
are
interior
to
the
project
are
currently
three
stories,
but
the
caveat
here
is:
is
they
won't
be?
They
will
not
be
brought
up
the
downstairs
units.
All
the
interior
are
all
below
flood,
because
it's
a
garage
in
a
front
door,
so
they're
allowed
to
be
below
flood.
So
it's
three
stories
net,
but
we're
not
we'd.
Otherwise,
if
another
doctor
they're
gonna
have
to
bring
in
eight
feet
of
fill
so
essentially
we're
doing
the
same
thing.
D
D
All
the
garages
are
front-facing
in
that.
In
that
context,
you
have
seen
the
architecture
so
nothing
changes
matter
of
fact.
The
units
that
are
interior
are
the
same
exact
units
that
are
on
state
street
by
design
they're.
Just
the
downstairs
is
converted
because
the
building's
lifted
up
so
that
live
work.
Part
of
the
garage
can
then
be
converted
same
unit
every
any
other
point.
That's
the
national
builders.
We
had
to
kind
of
fig
use
their
model,
so
we
can't
like,
unlike
hayes
park,
I
can't
have
42
different
designs.
All
right.
That's
all.
H
B
B
You
know,
I
just
mentioned
it,
because
we
love
the
idea
of
sidewalk
cafes,
right
and
and
we're
actually
kind
of
wrestling
with
with
an
issue
right
now
over
at
the
galleria,
because
those
sidewalks
frankly
are
not
really
wide
enough
to
accommodate
that,
and
our
code
does
allow
for
dining
on
sidewalks
within
the
cra.
So
I'm
assuming
that's
something
that
would
be
taken
into
account
on
those
those
units
and
in
your
experience.
So
what
would
those
work
units
be
in
terms
of
size
right?
D
D
That's
a
great
question
I
thought
about
this.
The
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
have
multiple
units
owned
by
the
same
party,
because
again
we
can't
split
the
ownership
by
by
using
the
live
work
codes
that
we're
going
to
use
to
be
the
same
ownership.
But
yes,
they
can
be
the
holes
can
be
knocked
in
the
walls
and
they
can
expand
if
they
had
two
or
three
units.
D
D
It
wasn't
designed
that
way,
but
I
recently
were
thinking
about
that,
because,
right
now
that
will
give
you
a
coffee
shop
or
a
cafe.
That's
probably
not
a
restaurant
yeah
or
a
pub
yeah
exactly
well.
The
pub
here
in
oldsmar
is
only
about
600
square
feet.
I
think
gross
was
that
it
maybe
well
no
that's
making
out
the
kitchen
so
not
much
bigger
than
that,
though,
right
okay,.
B
Well,
you
know
the
black
box
theater
has
multiple
uses
to
it
right.
Of
course,
we
have
it
for
our
our
local
events
and
that
type
of
stuff,
but
it
also
has
a
lot
of
other
implications,
whether
it's
you
know
a
comedy
diet
or,
or
you
know,
meeting
space
or
you
know
that
there's
just
a
whole
opportunity
there,
which
is
a
real
deficiency,
that
we
have.
D
Yeah
imagine
a
black
box.
Theater
is
a
a
50
feet,
maybe
by
80
ft
broom,
which
is
bigger
than
this
that's
open
and
every
time
they
want
to
use
it
for
a
theater.
They
actually
conform,
the
space
to
whatever
their
show,
they're
doing
both
chairs
stage,
etc.
It's
really
highly
highly
manipulative
in
terms
of
how
you
use
the
interior
space.
D
I
will
say
this
came
up
yesterday
too,
as
I
was
walking,
the
parcel
the
marketing
department
for
the
city
won't
like
it,
but
remember
the
cafe
that
was
designed
in
the
library
space
with
the
with
the
theater
there,
the
integration
there
is
amazing,
like
some
for
my
visuals
marketing
and
communications
right
sitting
there.
If,
if
that
is
a
future
using
has
become
bigger,
that
space
is
was
designed
for
that.
B
B
Yeah
one
last
question:
I
have
you
so
do
you
have
an
idea
in
term
like?
Is
there
a
style
type
name
that
might
be
applicable
or
that
you
have
in
mind?
I
know
it's
probably
more
detailed
than
the
concept
like
for
the
facade
that
type
of
look.
D
Well,
the
images
I've
shown
here
are
mercantile
coastal,
which
is
a
which
for
us
is.
We
are
coastal
community
so
and
that
same
with
the
interior
units
as
well,
but
if
there
you
go,
that
is
really
a
hybrid,
but
it's
it's
technically
a
coastal
style.
It's
got
siding
right.
The
colors
aren't
pastel,
so
don't
be
confused
by
that,
but
they're
muted
generally,
the
floors
are,
the
trim
is
dark
and
the
body's
white,
but
it's
of
the
coastal,
but
I
I
will
give
you
some
precedent
on
that,
so
we
can
use
that.
D
D
Well,
yeah,
so
that's
the
trick
is
I
I
I
make
sure
that
it
matches
the
verbiage
of
the
of
the
language,
but
this
fits
in
terms
of
the
style
and
unless
you
tell
me
otherwise
by
the
way-
and
I.
B
H
Thank
you
mayor.
I'm
very
excited
about
this
concept.
I
think
that
some
density
in
that
area
some
high
quality
density
in
that
area,
especially
specifically
townhouses,
I
think,
are
very
appropriate
sort
of
transitioning
from
the
homes
on
arlington
and
a
little
further
down
on
st
p
drive
up.
That
way
is
fantastic.
I
love
the
idea
of
sort
of
integrating
it
with
the
library
again
a
transition
sort
of
from
library
to
then
back
black
box
theater
to
housing.
The
theater
in
general,
I
think,
is
a
fabulous
idea.
H
Multi-Use
for
everything
from
you
know,
city
staff,
meetings
to
you
know,
misuta's
latest
production
to
you
know
renting
it
out
for
a
wedding.
Who
knows
you
know
it's
it's
very
exciting
to
me.
I
have
seen
as
we
all
have
the
quality
of
mr
buses
work
and
his
team,
and
I'm
very
excited
I'm
curious
as
to
the
financials,
which
I'm
sure
will
come
back
to
us
in
short
order,
but
very
excited.
F
Just
a
couple
piggybacking
off
of
what
the
vice
mayor
said,
you
know
be
a
nice
place
to
have
annual
planning
conference,
probably
seem
to
have
struggled
in
being
able
to
do
that
or
just
have
a
place
to
do
it.
And
then
I
I
just
love
the
idea
of
bringing
our
theater
program
to
a
proper
home
and
really
looking
forward
to
that
becoming
a
reality.
F
C
Oh,
I
I
think
it's
beautiful
john
and
we
do
know
the
quality
of
your
work.
I
too
I
mean,
of
course
everybody
knows
how
much
I
love
art
and
culture,
and
I
love
that
you
made
the
comment
and
also
vice
mayor
and
and
council
member
knapp,
that
there's
so
many
different
uses
that
we
could
use
that
building
for
comedy
I
mean
all
kinds
of
we
could
have
art
shows
we
could
have.
We
could
have
you
know,
galleries,
there's
so
many
things
we
can
do.
C
I
do
also
like
that
you
decrease
the
density
from
105
to
96.
I
like
that,
and
it
just
seems
like
there's
a
whole
lot
of
thought
and
of
all
of
the
things
that
have
been
proposed
for
this
library
saw
it.
I
mean
we
had
an
apartment
complex.
We
had
a
hotel.
C
E
You
mayor
john,
I
just
want
to
say
I
remember
when
I
first
got
on
council.
We
talked
about
you,
designing
the
haze
park,
village
and
working
on
that
project,
and
that
has
become
a
beautiful
property
for
the
city
of
oldsmar,
and
this
project
that
you
have
designed.
One
thing
I
really
enjoy
is
the
new
library
theater
district.
I
love
that
sound
for
our
city
and
the
concept
and
your
ideas
and
your
experience
of
what
you've
done
for
our
city.
I
think
this
is
a
great
project
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
it.
B
Very
good,
the
only
thing
I'll
add
to
it.
It's
just
kind
of
interesting
and
you
know
listen.
I
love
the
idea,
understanding
that
we
still
have
the
economics
to
get
through
no
question
about
it,
but
that's
a
that's
a
need.
We
have
in
this
community.
B
So
I
I
I
tend
to
look
at
things
like
the
rest
of
you
and
say
it's
an
asset
that
we
have
over
there,
we're
fulfilling
a
need
and
accomplishing
the
goal
of
some
more
density
down
in
the
town
center
and
it
seems
to
check
all
the
boxes
and
I'll.
Tell
you
something
just
a
little
interesting,
tidbit
and
there's
probably
there's
a
handful
of
people
who
still
remember
this,
but
the
original
or
the
I
guess
the
last
community
theater
building
we
had
do
you
know
where
it
was
located
on
that
property.
B
It
was
actually
where
the
library
is
before,
but
it
was
that
same
area,
so
it
there
is
some
history
to
it
and-
and
we
tore
that
down,
but
nobody.
C
B
I
wasn't
on
council,
we
didn't,
we
didn't
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
good
job,
all
right!
We're
going
to
move
on
now
we're
going
to
move
over
to
the
city,
hall
property
and
the
first
one
up
is
going
to
be
the
woodfield
development.
B
E
I
B
I
B
By
the
way,
all
of
you,
if
you
didn't
know
this,
this
book
just
got
the
visual
for
you.
I
I
wanted
to
just
briefly
highlight
one
of
the
projects
that
we
just
recently
finished
down
in
west
palm
beach.
This
site
was
actually
a
former
city
hall
site
for
west
palm
beach.
That
is
a
mixed
use
project
we
completed
250
apartments
there,
along
with
roughly
20
000
square
feet
of
retail
commercial
on
the
ground
floor
adjacent
to
the
site
is
also
a
autograph
collection
hotel,
as
well
as
a
public
park
on
the
waterfront
and
some
additional
retail
and
commercial.
I
Sienna
park
is
a
completed
project
in
arlington
virginia.
That
was
roughly
forty
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial
links
at
ray
farms
in
charlotte
north
carolina
that
was
recently
finished,
and
that
project
also
had
about
45
000
square
feet
of
commercial
mixed
use.
Space
woodfield
prides
ourselves
on
being
a
best
in
class
apartment
developer.
I
A
lot
of
folks
call
themselves
class,
a
or
luxury
apartment
developers,
but
we
pride
ourselves
on
always
delivering
the
best
in
class
asset
in
whatever
market
we
operate
in,
and
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
photos
here
as
examples
of
some
of
our
finished
product
and
would
absolutely
expect
to
deliver
the
same
kind
of
product
here
for
the
the
town.
Centerpiece
then
briefly
want
to
let
the
other
have
with
me
quickly
introduce
themselves,
give
a
little
background
and
then
jump
into
the
project.
A
Mayor,
I
won
the
council.
The
name
is
christian
kendo,
I'm
with
charlemagne
architects.
This
actually
is
our
40th
year
in
business.
We
are
a
mainland,
basically
north
orlando
based
firm,
and
we
are
working
currently
in
like
28
states
across
the
country.
Majority
of
them
are
like
southeast
of
the
country.
I
want
to
say
at
least
half
of
our
projects
are
in
florida,
so
we
have
very
good
knowledge
what's
happening.
A
You
know
in
the
west
side,
the
center
and
the
north,
and
even
southeast
side
of
it,
and
and
really
we
pride
ourselves
of
working
with
our
developer
and
really
carrying
their
vision,
but
at
the
same
time
negotiating
you
know
with
the
city
and
carrying
their
vision
as
well.
So
you
know
we
just
want
to
make.
We
want
to
make
our
buildings
our
project
be
part
of
the
community
more
than
just
popping
things.
A
So
we're
definitely
here
excited
to
present
this
to
you
and
kind
of
share
a
little
bit
more
about
what
and
especially
hear
you
out.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
projects
in
there
and
this
is
really
just
a
highlight
of
of
what
we're
actually
working
on.
We
have
some
mixed
use:
development,
retail,
first
floor
apartments.
On
the
second
floor,
these
are
a
little
bit
more
higher
intensity,
probably
what
we're
gonna
see
today,
but
these
are
just
development
that
we
are
working
closely
with
the
city
and
the
developer
to
actually
carry
a
vision
through.
G
G
We
have
around
200
employees
across
the
country,
offices
in
denver
and
dallas
here
in
orlando,
as
well
as
our
main
hub
in
charlotte.
I
come
from
the
orlando
office
and
I
can
tell
you
that
our
specialty
out
of
especially
out
of
the
orlando
office,
really
focuses
on
the
multifamily
that
whole
idea
of
live
work
play
creating
those
places
that
really
matter
that
that's
actually
our
motto
is
is
creating
places
that
matter
that
people
want
to
go
to
that
can
congregate,
bring
their
dogs
do
whatever
those
those
active
activities
can
be
within
that
space.
G
So
a
couple
of
highlighted
projects
that
we've
worked
on
the
romero
bearden
park
in
north
carolina.
Again,
it's
probably
a
little
denser
than
what
you're
going
to
see
today,
but
just
the
idea
of
of
bringing
people
together
in
those
common
places
really
helps
not
only
define
the
space
but
also
define
the
community.
That's
within
it
with
the
city
hall,
project
property.
You
really
you
look
at
oldsmar
and
it's
completely
converging
on
city
hall.
G
You've
got
park
or
park
boulevard
right
here
that
comes
up
and
terminates
right
at
city
hall
and
and
to
have
a
facility
right
here
that
can
just
showcase
the
whole
community
and
bring
the
whole
community
together.
It
really
has
a
lot
of
opportunity,
so
we're
very
excited
to
to
be
a
part
of
this
project
and
and
hope
you
guys
enjoy
what
we're
presenting
today.
B
B
B
I
actually
spent
time
looking
at
some
of
the
different
stuff
online
regarding
it.
B
I
Without
any
further
ado,
let's
jump
into
the
project
itself
and
and
what
we've
we've
got
proposed
briefly
just
want
to
highlight
the
fact
that
your
town
center
is
designated
as
a
community
activity
center
with
forward
pinellas
who's,
the
guiding
planning
and
future
focus
body
for
congregating
all
of
the
various
municipalities
throughout
pinellas
county.
I
believe,
there's
upwards
of
25
different
jurisdictions
throughout
pinellas
county
and
then
obviously
unincorporated
areas
and
based
on
that
community
activity
center
designation.
I
It
allows
up
to
90
units
an
acre
for
multi-family
up
to
150
units,
an
acre
for
hotel
use
and
a
3.0
fleur
area
ratio
for
for
mixed-use
intensity.
What
we're
proposing
is,
underneath
all
of
those
allowable
density
intensities
and
certainly
think
it's
appropriate
use
of
the
designation
as
a
community
center,
with
its
strong
focus
and
location,
just
wanted
to
highlight
real,
quick
further
that
location
and
point
out
the
existing
park
and
pedestrian
infrastructure
that
you
have
here.
This
site
really
becomes
the
the
center
of
connecting
all
that.
I
In
terms
of
the
overall
site
plan,
we
are
officially
letting
you
know
that
we
are
willing
to
be
the
master
developer
for
the
overall
site.
So
as
what
we're
showing
here,
it
would
be
us
stepping
up
to
take
the
reins
for
the
overall
development
of
the
entire
parcel.
I
Obviously,
retaining
city
hall
in
his
current
fashion,
proposing
a
nice
city
hall
park
there
immediately
behind
us
and
adjacent
to
our
proposed
project
and,
as
you
can
see,
we're
looking
to
to
concentrate
that
commercial
component
along
state
street,
we
also
would
work
in
our
residential
amenity
portion.
Also,
there
is
highlighted
in
blue
along
state
street
as
well,
which
has
a
very
similar
commercial
feel
to
it.
That
gives
you
that
nice
overall
continuity
throughout
the
state
street
and
a
great
pedestrian
experience.
A
All
right
so-
and
here
we
really
wanted.
Let
me
figure
this
one
out,
okay,
so
here
what
what
we
were
trying
to
use
as
the
inspiration
is
really
a
timeless
architecture.
We
went
through
the
code
and
really
found
that
there
is
a
modern
eclectic
as
part
of
the
styles
proposed
for
for
the
area,
and
we
definitely
wanted
to
go
into.
Let's
look
at
traditional
materials
use
them
in
a
little
bit
more
contemporary
way,
but
at
the
same
time
keep
it
classic.
A
You
know
elegant
something
that
is
not
going
to
look
old
in
a
year
or
two,
so
that
really
moves
us
in
a
way
that
that
doesn't
doesn't
get
us
too
trendy,
I
want
to
say
bright,
colors
or
anything
is
more
elegant.
It's
more
representative
of
of
what
the
what
the
town
is.
So
you'll
see
a
base
of
bricks,
some
durable
materials
versus
a
little
bit.
A
You
know
at
the
pedestrian
level
more
storefront
a
lot
of
openness
from
the
building
you
know
connecting
with
the
pedestrian
activity
and
then
a
higher
oven
will
go
with
a
fiber
cement
panel
and
then
muted
tones
or
darker
tones
to
create
contrast-
and
you
know
elegance,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
bring
balconies
and
bring
things
that
people
will
actually
enjoy,
looking
south
and
east
actually
and
west.
I'm
sorry
on
the
sunsets
from
here
from
this
point,
this
is
a
concept
render
number
one.
A
This
is
the
corner
of
state
street
and
washington,
and
here
there's
actually
a
mix
of
of
different
uses.
On
the
left
side
of
this
massing,
we
have
the
the
the
residential
amenities
on
the
left
on
the
right
side.
We
have
what
we're
calling
the
corner
eatery
a
potential
restaurant,
the
restaurant
at
that
point
is
actually
the
massing
is
actually
pushing
in.
A
So
we
allow
outdoor
seating
and
activate
the
street
and
really
what
I
want
to
do
as
part
of
the
whole
architecture
is,
you
know,
respecting
the
heights
of
the
buildings
across
the
street
they're
really
two
stories
in
high
in
height,
so
we're
creating
this
mass,
this
mass
out
of
brick
or
on
a
darker
material.
That
is
actually
two
stories
in
height
to
kind
of
relate
a
little
bit
with
the
buildings
across
the
street,
but
at
the
same
time,
obviously
create
a
break
in
the
building.
A
So
it
doesn't
feel
like
you
have
five
stories
of
building
at
the
street,
so
not
only
our
building
is
it's
actually
kind
of.
I
think
it's
12
to
15
feet
away
from
the
street,
so
you
have
a
very
wide.
You
know
pedestrian
activity
in
there
then
further
up.
You
definitely
have
the
apartments
that
are
a
little
bit
more
back
from
that
phase
as
well.
So
we're
definitely
trying
to
work
with
the
mass
and
then
and
kind
of
mitigate
the
intensity
of
the
project
on
this
side
of
the
state
street.
A
A
So
at
that
point
we
you
can't
barely
notice
it,
but
on
the
side,
you
definitely
notice
that
we
have
two
cordials
that
are
going
to
be
private,
but
those
two
coils
are
really
creating
some
relief
on
the
facade
and
bringing
more
green
space,
although
there
might
be
semi-private
slash
private.
At
the
same
time,
it
is
greenery
and
it
is
space
for
people
to
to
congregate,
I'll
move
quickly
to
the
other
one,
and-
and
this
is
another
of
the
ideas
that
we're
bringing
here
to
the
table.
A
It
is
this
being
potentially
a
park
right
behind
city
hall
and
having
25
000
square
foot
of
retail,
we're
seeing
how
this
the
park
is
not
really
limited
to
the
area.
This
potentially
could
become
a
festival
or
a
place
that
you
can
close
a
portion
of
the
state
street
and
actually
activate
the
whole
road
with
the
park
and
make
something
more
eventful
again,
this
being
on
temporal,
definitely
showcased.
You
know
there's
something
going
on
in
here
and
it's
it's
more
of
a
you
know.
A
So
in
this
image
we're
looking
into
like
a
food
trucks
occupying
the
street
and
then
just
people
just
meandering
around
and
really
creating
this
area
kind
of
like
the
hub
and
again
you
see
the
the
pedestrian
activity
and
the
pedestrian
massing
a
little
bit
darker
in
color
creating
a
base.
But
then
the
apartments
are
kind
of
faded
on
the
back
a
little
bit
just
trying
to
mitigate
the
the
height
of
the
building
and
with
that
I'll
leave
it
to
andrew.
Thank
you.
G
So,
within
the
site
plan
christian
mentioned
it
earlier.
We
we
tried
to
step
the
buildings
back.
You've
got
one
two-story
buildings
across
state
street,
so
we
really
wanted
didn't
want
to
overwhelm
either
the
pedestrian
or
vehicle
vehicular
traffic
as
they
as
they
go
down
state
street.
So
stepping
them
back
really
does
two
things
it.
It
lessens
that
impact,
but
then
it
also
allows
for
wider
sidewalks,
more
pedestrian
area
and
then
more
outdoor
seating.
I
mean
we
live
in
florida,
so
there
you
might
as
well
have
a
lot
of
outdoor
dining.
G
Everybody
loves
it,
and
with
this
recessed
look
you
can
see
some
of
the
gray
areas
on
along
state
street.
You
can
see
how
far
they're
set
back
and
it
allows
for
that
that
interactivity
with
the
outdoor,
dining
and
then
a
nice
pedestrian
promenade
along
state
street.
Some
of
the
other
things
I
want
to
point
out
on
this
overall
site
plan.
G
G
Again
will
have
some
surface
parking
along
it,
but
then
really
we
wanted
to
focus
on
the
park
itself
to
the
north
of
city
hall,
and
and
what
we
really
want
to
do
here
is
we're
showing
a
very
sort
of
simple
concept,
but
but
the
idea
is
to
just
get
some
understanding
and
some
needs
of
what
the
city
of
oldsmar
is
looking
for.
We've
shown
some
great
opportunities
for
active
and
passive
recreation
within
this.
Within
this
space,
like
I
said
earlier,
city
hall
really
is
the
center
of
the
city.
G
You
guys
have
done
a
great
job
with
with
name
town
center.
You
know
really
everything
comes
here,
naturally,
so
to
have
a
space
that
the
community
members
can
really
take
pride
in,
enjoy
walk
their
dogs
sit
out,
relax
on
weekends.
We
included
a
band
shell
that
you
can
have
small
events
on
the
big
open
lawn.
There
really
gives
a
chance
to
you
know,
have
a
picnic
or
listen
to
music
on
the
weekends,
but
then
also
like
christian
mentioned
earlier.
G
The
opportunity
with
state
street
between
within
our
property
really
has
the
opportunity
on
weekends
to
close
that
down
bring
in
farmers
markets.
You
know
carnivals
food
truck,
plaza
or
food
truck
weekend.
Sort
of
thing
really
gives
a
a
great
opportunity
to
not
only
bring
in
the
community
members
but
also
outside
outside.
You
know
surrounding
communities.
So
we
did
include
some
of
the
amenities
that
we
thought
were
important.
The
the
shade
sales
really
can
become.
G
You
know
they
serve
two
purposes:
it's
it's
a
form
of
art,
but
then
it
also
provides
shade
and
then
the
the
interactive
fountain
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
included
that
because
we
know
it
was
special
to
you,
mr
mayor,
so
you
know
they
are
very
big,
the
the
the
shallow
sort
of
splash
pad
or
fountain,
and
then
with
the
added
element
of
music,
bringing
that
into
play.
G
You
know,
that's
another
form
of
art
and
it
really
with
the
lighting
and
the
music
background
everything
it
really
can
turn
into
something
special
and
and
something
that
the
community
members
can
be
proud
of.
So
just
a
couple
other
little
things:
the
area
to
the
right
there,
where
we're
kind
of
looking
at
it's
pointed
to
playful.
G
So
that
area
to
the
right
yeah,
it's
fantastic.
G
G
Yeah
so
including
some
of
that
birmingham
and
just
having
the
opportunities
for
kids
to
have
creative
play
rather
than
a
structure
and
giving
them
the
chance
to
to
learn
on
their
own
and
and
explore
on
their
own,
I
think
is
really
important.
Some
of
the
other
features
that
could
happen.
You
know
a
butterfly
garden,
maybe
a
community
garden.
G
We
mentioned
connectivity
a
little
bit
earlier
too,
and
I
think
it's
you
know
I
keep
going
back
to
city
hall
really
is
the
center
you've
got
great
connections
already
down
park,
boulevard
to
olds
park
and
veterans
park,
and
then
the
the
trail
is
right
there
too.
So
this
really
creates
a
great
trailhead
opportunity,
as
you
maybe
develop
park,
boulevard
further
and
and
increase
that
connection
strength,
so
yeah
some
of
the
perspectives.
G
Just
this
is
kind
of
an
overall
look
at
how
the
park
could
really
function.
You
can
see
state
street
there
on
the
right
and
the
opportunity
to
block
that
off,
just
east
of
city
hall,
all
the
way
to
the
washington
to
the
east-
and
you
know
just
imagine-
farmers,
market
tents
lined
up
there
or
a
small
carnival
activities
like
that.
You
really
have
the
opportunity,
but
then
it
also
is
at
a
pedestrian
scale
where
it
doesn't
feel
overwhelming,
with
the
with
the
building
set
back
there.
G
Looking
at
some
of
the
you
know,
really
pedestrian
scale
activities
that
we
could
do
some
of
the
organic
dynamic
shapes
of
site
furnishings
and
using
warm
elements
taken
from
the
building
architecture,
to
really
tie
that
in
nicely-
and
I
think,
there's
some
opportunities
to
connect
the
architecture
of
city
hall
and
bring
some
of
those
elements
out
into
the
the
area
development
around
the
buildings.
G
Looking
this
one
is
focusing
more
on
site
furnishings,
you
know
getting
away
from
the
traditional
park
bench
and
trash
receptacle.
Every
100
feet
200
feet.
Looking
at
outdoor
swings,
I've
got
a
project
in
orlando
right
now.
That's
looking
at
these
musical
swings
where
you
have
a
row
of
four
or
five
swing,
set
or
swings
that
when
they
come
through,
it
actually
makes
a
tone
and
they're
different
tones.
So
if
you
get
four
or
five
people
on
there,
it
actually
makes
music
and
it's
it's
so
cool.
G
So
little
things
like
that,
I
think
really
can
enhance
this
this
place
and
then,
finally,
some
of
the
other
special
features,
obviously
the
the
fountain
as
more
integrative
and
interactive
that
we
can
get
that,
I
think,
would
be
definitely
a
big
feature.
Some
of
the
bandshell
nights,
the
you
know,
concerts
small
venue,
type
things
I
think
really
can
bring.
People
together.
I
And
just
to
also
point
out,
we
wanted
to
just
highlight
the
fact
that
the
pictures
on
the
bottom
that's
a
boxy
park,
which
is
in
orlando
a
little
over
an
acre
in
size,
a
lot
of
flexibility
there
and
the
types
of
events
and
activities
that
they
host
there.
And
then
the
picture
in
the
bottom
right
is
actually
sparkman
wharf
in
downtown
tampa
about
an
acre,
deliver
an
acre
in
size
and
that's
comparable
to
the
park
size
that
we're
contemplating
here.
G
Yeah
boxy
park-
I
don't
think
they
were.
They
were
actually
planning
on
boxing
park
being
a
temporary
measure
at
lake
lake
nona
town
center,
and
it's
been
so
successful.
It
has
become
a
permanent
structure
and
part
of
that
long
term.
B
G
So
then,
finally,
this
this
is
again
focusing
more
on
the
on
the
special
events.
Weekly
farmers
markets
are
huge
food
truck
nights,
thursday
nights
I
live
in
apopka
and,
and
those
are
you
know,
multiple
hundred
people,
2
000
people
up
every
single
thursday
are
showing
up
just
to
get
food
trucks
and
especially
nowadays
safely
community
involvement.
So
you
know
the
opportunities
for
these
really
are
strong
in
this
site.
So.
B
H
Thank
you
mayor.
Turning
back
to
pages
12
and
13,
which
show
kind
of
the
site
plan.
H
You
don't
have
to
okay,
we
did
it
already
the
850
spaces
in
the
garage
is
there?
Is
there
room
for
the
city
to
lease
some
of
those
spaces
who
owns
those
spaces?
Can
there
are
some
for
the
hotel?
How
many
are
for
each
residence
talk
to
me
about
the
garage
sure.
I
What's
contemplated,
there
is
right
now
100
spots
that
would
be
available
for
the
city
based
on
discussions
with
the
with
city
staff
and
the
balance
to
support
the
needs
for
the
the
hotel
and
the
apartments
and
the
commercial.
H
This
green
space
behind
city
hall,
who
owns
and
maintains
that.
I
Alternatively,
there's
a
way,
we
could
certainly
try
to
negotiate
that
with
the
overall
financial
negotiations,
but
from
the
standpoint
of
we
don't
know
what
you
want,
we
wanted
to
present
ideas
of
what
we
think
it
could
be
and
we're
happy
to
facilitate
that
design
with
land
design
and
also
happy
to
facilitate
the
construction
at
the
same
time
as
we
would
develop
the
balance
of
the
site.
G
We're
doing
a
similar
situation
over
in
the
with
the
city
of
winter
park.
They
have
a
public
piece
of
about
an
acre,
acre
and
a
half
similar
size,
we're
doing
a
design,
design
charette
with
council
members
and
community
members,
so
that
there's
a
direct
input
from
community
for
this
public
space.
So
we
would
intend
on
doing
some
something
similar
for
this
acre
and
a
half
okay.
F
Thank
you,
council,
member
now.
Thank
you
mayor
for
the
commercial
areas
you
have
kind
of
the
the
eastern
and
the
western
sections
of
it.
Am
I
seeing
it
correctly
on
these
renderings,
which
obviously
I
know
that
they
may
change
that
there
could
be
the
potential
of
one
rooftop
area
tied
to
the
commercial
on
the
western
space
and
then
either
one
large
shared
or
two
separate
spaces
on
the
eastern
commercial
block
of
the
building.
A
Yes,
it
is
accurate,
well
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
break
the
mass
was
bringing
the
commercial
forward.
So
that
creates
opportunity
for
the
residents
to
have
like
the
rooftop
amenity.
As
as
part
of
the
you
know,
the
whole
design
of
the
building.
F
Okay
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
is-
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
probably
done
this
with
other
projects
just
with
wrapping
residential
around
the
garage.
How
do
you
deal
with
mitigating
sound
generated
from
the
activity
in
the
garage
from
the
residence
I
mean
other
than
just
baffling
or
insulation.
F
A
Yeah
so
essentially
we're
required
to
have
a
minimum
of
50
stc
rating
in
between
the
public
and
private
areas.
So
we
have
the
the
parking
garage
which
is
like
a
massive
concrete,
which
is
the
best
one
for
airborne
sound
and
then
from
there
you
have
six
foot
a
quarter
and
then
another
wall.
So
it's
definitely.
You
have
three
walls
in
between
the
units
and
the
apartment
and
the
parking
garage.
So
great.
I
Well,
we
did
not
know,
particularly
based
on
the
fact
that,
up
until
very
recently,
we
were
continuing
with
the
expectation
that
there
was
already
a
hotel
group
committed
here
and
then
a
subsequent
one.
I
We
certainly
think
the
corner
is
appropriate
for
a
hotel,
but
we
are
by
no
means
opposed
to
looking
at
an
alternative
use
there.
If,
if
something
like
that
would
make
sense.
C
Okay,
so
yeah,
I
had
a
question
about
the
hotel
as
well,
so
you
said
that
you
would
partner
with
a
hotel
company
and
if
you
did,
if
you
do
that,
would
the
construction
happen
simultaneously?
Would
it
says
future
hotels,
so
you
would
do
your
development
and
then
partner
with
someone
to
do
the
hotel.
Is
that
what
you
were
interested.
I
In
sure,
just
to
just
to
clarify
that
further,
as
council
probably
knows,
the
hotel
market
and
prospects
for
new
development
are
not
great
at
the
moment,
but
what
we
would
look
to
do
is
to
selectively
market
that
site
to
what
we
deem
our
suitable
development
partners.
That
hotel
is
their
expertise
and
the
timing
of
that
you
know
I
can't
I.
I
Economics
have
to
play
into
that,
but
hopefully
we
conveyed
with
the
caliber
of
the
projects
that
we
historically
build,
and
what
we're
proposing
here
we're
going
to
be
very
particular
about
who
we
would
partner
with
there
and
what
the
kind
of
flag
that
we
would
be
looking
to
to
put
there
that's
commensurate
with
what
we're
looking
to
deliver
as
well.
C
Okay,
that
makes
sense,
so
you
would
be
purchasing
all
of
that
property,
except
for
the
city
hall
park
property
in
whatever
agreement
that
you
guys
come
up
with,
because
we
would
be
maintaining.
But
then
you
would
help
us
with
the
concept
plan
for
the
park.
The
contact
plan
plus
construction
for
whatever
the
community
gets
together
and
we
decide
to
put
here
in
the
park
is
that
correct.
B
I
B
so
in
the
plans-
and
this
is
kind
of
a
it-
almost
sounds
like
three
questions.
But
I
promise.
B
Essentially,
right
under
where
it
says,
play
those
units
right
in
there
are
envisioned
to
be
residential,
correct,
yes,.
E
B
Stop
there
so
so,
essentially,
what
you're
looking
at
is,
as
you
come
along
state
street
and
you
return
into
to
head
to
the
park.
That's
commercial,
that's
commercial
and
the
commercial
then
stops.
I
would
assume
past
that
second
corner,
as
if
you
were
headed
to
going
into
the
parking
structure.
I
Yes,
that
the
little
jog
that
you
see
where
activate
and
enter.
J
I
When
it
makes
a
turn
to
the
north
yeah,
we
would
we
would
transition
from
commercial
to
residential
there.
B
B
All
right
and
then
password
says
active
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
Once
you
get
past
that
essentially
now
you're
going
to
residential,
even
on
the
ground
level,
it's
residential
there.
B
So
you
would
be
sticking
with
the
theme
that
you
are
on
the
corner,
where
you've
got
the
the
commercial
being
ground
level
and
really
the
residential
starting.
You
know,
I
guess
it's
up
to
stories
the
setback
that
you've
designed
in
it
correct.
B
B
I
Yeah,
we
would
potentially
handle
that
in
a
couple
of
different
ways,
but
the
easiest
way
is:
is
oftentimes
just
buffering
with
landscaping
and
so
forth.
Those
ground
floor
units
would
likely
just
have
a
porch
patio,
but
there
would
not
be
any
connectivity
with
a
sidewalk
or
anything
so
the
residents
would,
and
it
would
likely
be
elevated
a
little
bit
as
well
from.
B
Along
this
line
before
I
move
on
for
more
questions
to
my
point
personally,
I
I
wish
there
was
more
retail
there
and
that
it
it
made
it
even
a
clearer
divide
between
private
and
public.
So
that's
just
a
feedback
thing
all
right.
Vice
mayor,
I
think
that
was
like
two
and
three
quarter
hold
on.
Our
city
manager
would
like
to
comment
all
right.
F
It's
not
really
requiring
a
defense.
I
just
meant
that
in
the
negotiations
we've
had
so
far,
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
woodfield
was
willing
to
consider
anything
expanding
to
the
corner.
I
told
them
specifically
that
the
council
expected
that
to
be
a
hotel.
Obviously,
where
we
were
in
negotiations,
they
were
very
much
in
tune
with,
so
I
only
say
it
this
way,
because
councilman
soraki
asked
if
they
had
contemplated
some
of
the
use
of
the
property.
If
we
were
looking
for
that,
I
would
hope
that
you'd
communicate
to
that
because
they
might
prefer
it.
B
H
Thank
you
mayor,
a
couple,
questions
2.3
or
so
tell
me
about
your
company
and
how
how
you
function.
Do
you
build
these
apartments
and
then
sell
them?
Is
it
do
you
stay
and
manage?
How
does
that
work
with
woodfield.
I
I
It's
it's
really
a
function
of
the
particular
project
and
how
we
ultimately
capitalize
it,
and
just
where
we
may
see
an
opportunity
with
the
project,
but
we're
we're
opportunistic
in
that
regard.
But
we
are
true
developers
in
the
sense
that
we
would
ultimately
hire
a
third-party
general
contractor
that
would
construct
this.
And
then
we
hire
third-party
property
managers
to
operate
the
project
in
terms
of
whether
we
ultimately
sold
it
at
some
point
in
the
future
that
really
wouldn't
impact.
Ultimately
the
operation
or
really
have
any
visibility
from
a
public
perspective.
H
B
Question
yeah.
I
I
That
that
we're
proposing
70
million.
F
F
Got
some
nap.
Thank
you
mayor.
B
F
Could
you
just
describe
in
kind
of
an
overall
explanation
of
what
the
residential
amenities
are,
because
I
see
a
pool
outside,
but
what
is
the
the
darker
blue?
What
is
that
all
composed
of
sure.
I
Yeah,
so
we
would
have
a
leasing
office,
obviously
to
to
market
the
property
for
future
residents.
We
would
have
various
club
room
internet
cafe,
exercise
facility,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
different
creative
things
with
our
clubhouses
in
terms
of
just
offering
flexibility
for
our
residents
to
enjoy
those
amenities
as
much
as
possible
and
conference
rooms.
C
So
they're
going
to
be
apartments,
so
they'll
be
rentals,
correct!
Okay,
just
personally,
my
company
is
involved
in
a
lot
of
this.
As
far
as
what
we
do,
and
I
it's
gonna
kind
of
be
like
the
one
in
downtown
tampa
that
has
the
internet
cafe
and
the
theater
and
all
of
those
things
all
the
amenities
for
the
rental
for
the
apartments.
So
it'll
have
all
your
you're
envisioning.
All
of
those
amenities
for
the
renters
correct.
I
C
C
Let's
see,
oh,
I
really
like
the
two-story,
where
it
has
two
stories
that
goes
up.
I
like
the
visual
so
in
those
residentials,
those
would
just
be
third
floor
units
and
wherever
it
is
only
one
story,
that's
wrapped
around,
like
the
mayor
had
said,
those
are
going
to
be
three
stories
of
of
or
so
three
it's
five
stories.
So
two
stories
it'll
be
three
stories
of
apartments.
Where
you
have
the
two-story
soaring
ceilings,
then
the
other
ones
will
be
five
floors
of
apartments.
Correct,
that's
correct!
Okay,
thank
you.
B
Very
good,
let's
see,
let's
go
back
to
the
parking
structure
and
so
granted.
This
is
always
open
for
negotiations.
I
understand
certainly
the
city's
participation
and
parking
structure
and
that
type
of
stuff,
but
is
it
envisioned
for
you
all
that
the
parking
structure
would
be
something
of
course,
that
you
would
construct
whatever
the
financial
range
of
it
would
be
end
up
negotiated,
but
who
would
have
in
your?
B
How
are
you
visioning
the
final
ownership
of
the
parking
garage?
Is
it
a
scenario
in
which
your
group
would
own
it,
and
we
would
have
a
life
lease
on
x
number
of
spaces?
Is
there
or
is
there
no
commitment
on
your
thought.
B
B
I
I
think
your
code
actually
and
and
the
town
center
only
requires
one
per
per
unit.
We
look
at
it
on
a
per
bedroom
basis,
so
we've
got
upwards
of
475.
B
Spaces
allocated
for
units,
it's
all
incorporating
what
I
was
thinking.
B
E
One
more
question:
would
you
consider
in
your
floor
plan
or
your
your
site
plan?
Would
you
consider
just
taking
over
the
not
putting
a
hotel
there
and
adding
more
apartments
or
maybe
more
space
for
coffee
shops?
Would
you
consider
that?
Would
you
think
that
would
be
a
better
plan,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
what
you
have
to
say
about
the
hotel
not
having
it.
There.
I
I
mean
we
certainly
could
revise
the
plan
and
incorporate
a
slightly
larger
project
with
without
the
hotel
yeah,
absolutely
in
terms
of
whether
the
hotel
makes
sense
there.
I
certainly
think
that
it
it
can,
and
we
certainly
feel
like
the
the
overall
site
plan,
has
nice
continuity
and,
to
the
extent,
there's
easy
opportunity
for
hotel
guests
to
ultimately
use
the
garage
and
have
that
transfer
with
still
a
some
sort
of
covered
parkie
or
something
to
that
effect.
I
C
I
Yeah
to
quickly
address
that,
since
we
don't
have
a
hotel
developer
in
tow
with
us
at
the
moment,
we
would
look
to
just
program
for
the
overall
site
and
whatever
appropriate
things
we
had
to
take
forward
to
pinellas
county
for
approvals.
We
would
look
to
just
incorporate
that
with
that
max
of
125
keys.
F
C
B
That's
right:
well,
I'm
gonna!
If
you
have
any
other
questions,
because
that
was
asked
earlier
and
essentially
you
know
as
professional
developers,
they
do
third
party,
you
know,
depending
on
the
project
right
all
right.
So
let's
go
to
comments.
Let's
try
to
keep
it
under
two
minutes,
all
right,
I'll
start
with
the
vice
mayor.
Thank
you
by
the
way.
H
Thank
you
mayor,
fantastic
presentation,
folks.
I
really
appreciate
the
clear
research
that
has
been
done:
the
knowledge
of
incorporation
of
pinellas,
county
information
density,
the
mixed-use
ratio,
there's
obviously
been
a
ton
of
research
here.
I
think
the
wrapped
parking
garage
is
a
very
exciting
proposal,
taking
out
those
two
triangles
for
city
hall
in
the
hotel.
If
it
doesn't
work.
Okay,
I
I'm
flexible
just
I'm
only
speaking
for
myself,
I'm
flexible
too
a
different
piece
of
the
puzzle
than
a
future
hotel.
I
I'm
not
married
to
having
that
specifically
there.
H
I
really
like
the
design
element
of
having
the
stepped
back.
I
think
it
complements
across
the
street
and
what's
existing
across
the
street,
so
they're
not
looking
at,
like
you,
said,
a
five-story
building.
I
think
it
makes
sense.
I
really
appreciate
the
the
knowledge
really
and
the
the
whole
picture
analysis.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
it
it
felt
like
you
really
did
your
homework
on
oldsmar
as
a
city.
Just
this
the
radius.
H
You
know
five
mile
radius
of
our
city
because
we
are
smaller
than
you
know
some
of
the
developments
that
you
have
examples
of,
but
it
was
clear
that
you
really
meant
to
incorporate
all
of
it.
I
really
appreciated
the
presentation
I'm
interested
in
looking
at
the
economics.
F
Thank
you
mayor
first
off
echoing
comments
about
the
hotel,
certainly
would
love
to
see
any
alternatives
for
that
northeastern
sliver
of
the
land.
F
As
far
as
what
the
mayor
had
already
commented
on
about
the
commercial
area
or
lack
of
additional
commercial
area
affronting
the
park,
I
think
that's
something
worth
considering,
as
maybe
a
swap
from
what
is
on
facing
washington
and
taking
that
over
there
just
a
thought
and-
and
then
again
you
guys
really
did
show
you
did
your
homework-
that
that
impresses,
I
think,
probably
all
of
us
up
here,
hitting
on
a
lot
of
the
tones.
F
F
K
E
E
E
I
understand
that,
but
this
is
a
massive
massive
project
I
mean
this
project
is,
is
very
big
for
our
city,
so
I'm
having
a
hard
time
with
that
and
I'm
just
being
upfront
with
you
guys,
I
think
you're
qualified
to
do
this
project
and
personally
I
would
love
to
just
you
to
do
it
and
get
rid
of
the
hotel
and
just
take
that
whole
project
and
keep
it
all
incorporated
in
one
beautiful
design
that
you've
designed
for
us
but
in
in
a
nutshell,
I'm
just
having
a
hard
time
with
this
massive
huge
thing
being
right
next
door,
it's
just
so
big,
but
I
know
we
have
to
move
forward.
E
It's
the
way
things
are
going,
but
just
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
but
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
catherine
norris.
C
I
too
appreciate
the
presentation
and
the
thought
and
the
research
that's
gone
into
this,
and
I
actually
want
to
visit
this
one
in
texas,
it's
beautiful.
I
I
like
that.
I
I
like
that
you
are
going
to
be
the
master
developer
of
everything
and
you
can
be
involved
in
the
other
aspects
and
that
you're
flexible
about
whether
we
put
a
hotel
there,
whether
we're
going
to
have
our
rooftop
bar
or
whether
you
know
whatever
the
council
decides
that
in
the
future.
C
I,
like
that,
the
outdoor
space
you
touched
on
a
lot
of
things
that
are
very
contemporary.
Now
the
the
musical
swings
when
you
brought
that
up
that
has
brought
so
much
economic
impact
in
the
one
in
west
palm
beach
that
people
don't
really
realize
that
things
like
that
do
so
I
appreciate
all
of
that.
C
B
Very
good,
I
have
a
few
comments.
One
I
personally
remain
committed
to
the
hotel,
just
as
for
the
record
and
the
reason
why
I'll
tell
you
there's
two
reasons:
why
number
one
is
the
opportunity,
the
only
opportunity
that
we
have
as
a
city
to
have
accomplish
two
things
that
are
missing
a
one
would
be
a
higher
end
hotel.
B
We
don't
have
that
in
oldsmar
and
we
constantly
get
asked
about
it
from
the
business
community
that
they
have
to
send
them
to
tampa.
Maybe
they
send
them
over
to
innosbrook,
and
so
that's
it's
deficient.
We
also
don't
have
the
proper
indoor
business,
meaning
space
square
footage-wise
and
that's
always
been
envisioned
in
that
hotel
and
also,
of
course,
when
you
talk
to
our
citizens
the
feedback
on
rooftop
bar,
you
know
the
eyes
light
up.
It
adds
that
sparkle.
I
think
it
would
complement
what's
being
done
there,
so
that's
just
an
fyi.
B
B
I
could
see
it
fitting
in
you
know
we,
the
the
area
has
been
designed
to
buffer
down
and,
and
that
still
is
accomplished
in
that
design.
So
I
also-
and
I
mentioned
it
earlier
and
I'll
mention
it
again.
I
think
adding-
and
I
know
you
historically,
as
I
understand
it,
have
not
been
very
excited
about
the
retail
side
of
this,
but
that
is
for
at
least
for
me
personally
would
be
a
deal
breaker,
I'm
more
excited
about
it.
B
There
is
more
retail
in
it
because
we
need
that
walkability
and
without
it
you
know
it's
it's
it's
essentially
residential,
but
I
think
we
appreciate
your
presentation
and
I
think
it
was
very
nicely
done
so
we
we
thank
you
all
right,
I'm
going
to
move
on
at
this
time
we're
going
to
go
on
to
our
last
presenter,
and
this
is
the
one
that
we
are
operating
remotely
and
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
felicia.
B
I
think
who
is
doing
that
and
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
make
sure
our
our
guest
is
still
on
the
phone.
Do
we
have
you
there.
J
Okay,
I'm
hearing
some
echoing,
as
I
speak
so
just
bear
with
us.
Hopefully
we'll
walk
through
these
technical
difficulties.
If
any,
so
you
all
should
be
seeing
a
slide
that
says
old,
smart
town
center.
J
You
so
much
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
our
ideas
once
again
and
in
particular,
a
special
thank
you
to
felicia
for
helping
coordinate
this
forum
remotely
on
such
a
short
notice.
My
name
is
maya
abba.
I
am
the
founder
and
principal
architect
for
crime
design
associates.
J
Jim
duprey
is
joining
me.
Who
is
the
director
of
acquisitions
for
prime
group,
we
have
a
new
revised
site
plan
which
we'll
be
showing
you
shortly
that
was
developed,
taking
into
consideration
valuable
comments
that
you
have
made
throughout
our
participation
in
this
process
going
back
to
2019..
J
J
And
lastly,
by
developing
a
mix
of
uses
in
a
design
approach
that
supports
individual
and
civic
growth
with
hospitality,
residential
and
city
hall
venues
incorporated
into
it.
Next
go
ahead.
This
is
our
new
revised
conceptual
cycle.
You
can
see
the
existing
city
hall,
residential
hotel
and
components
of
the
mixed
use
project.
J
We
respected
the
idea
of
the
hotel.
It
is
important
to
us.
Prime
group
is
a
developer
that,
as
you
know,
has
extensive
experience
with
residential
as
well
as
hospitality
and
retail,
and
we've
taken
the
original
idea
of
the
hotel
and
shifted
it
to
be
consistent
to
what
the
original
site
plan
from
the
city
envisioned
at
the
corner
of
strait
state
road,
584
and
washington
avenue.
J
J
Okay,
just
a
brief
synopsis
of
our
anticipated
uses.
At
this
time
we
have
the
six
story:
hotel
currently
we're
envisioning,
approximately
130
guest
rooms,
the
two
mid-rises,
our
five-story
mid-rise
buildings,
totaling
approximately
230
to
240
apartments,
and
the
parking
garage
is
a
four-story
parking
garage
of
approximately
285
spaces.
At
this
point,
it's
possible
that
we
could
increase
those
spaces
but
again
we're
trying
to
keep
that
footprint
as
small
as
possible
so
as
not
to
drive
the
design
of
the
project.
J
J
J
J
This
is
our
last
matching
study,
just
showing
the
hotel
arrival
from
washington
avenue.
We
think
that
this
is
an
important
arrival
point
for
the
hotel
itself,
as
we
want
people
to
be
able
to,
as
they
see
the
hotel
turn
in
and
when
they
do
really
see
the
main
entrance
for
it
and
the
project,
which
really
leads
you
into
the
central
square
and
open
green
space
amenity
of
the
project.
J
J
The
next
series
of
slides
are
just
a
small
sampling
of
reference,
completed
projects
that
prime
group
has
developed
and
jim
I'm
sure
you
can
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
more
than
I
can,
but
you
are
familiar
with
prime
group
and
the
fact
that
they
design
develop
own
and
manage
all
of
the
projects
they
do.
J
It
is
an
autographed
by
marriott
hotel
in
sarasota
florida
and
we
are
showing
it
to
you
as
an
example
of
one
of
the
new
year's
hotels,
we've
done
that
has
a
rooftop
bar
and
lounge,
which
is
the
idea
here
and
especially
at
the
corner
where
this
would
be
located
next.
J
Another
reference
example
of
a
multi-family
apartment
community.
This
is
a
residential
community
in
daytona
beach,
florida
called
one
daytona.
I
think.
Last
time
we
presented,
it
was
just
getting
started
under
construction.
It
is
now
completed
and
all
leased
up.
The
project
was
developed
by
prime
group
in
collaboration
with
nascar.
It's
been
quite
successful
and
I
think
it
consists
of
over
250
apartments
there's
a
second
phase
now
that
is
on
tap
and
that
we're
working
on
that
will
basically
double
that
next.
J
This
slide
is
an
example
of
apartments
and
retail
that
we're
currently
designing.
It
is,
in
fact,
the
second
phase
of
the
one
daytona
project.
This
is
one
of
several
buildings
that
will
be
part
of
that,
and
this
is
what
we're
thinking
in
terms
of
potential
look
and
feel
for
the
residential
buildings.
It's
a
more
contemporary
look.
J
We
had
previously
proposed
a
florida
vernacular
typology,
but
we
feel
that
perhaps
going
with
a
contemporary
look,
especially
in
this
location,
may
be
the
way
to
go,
but
we
are
definitely
open
to
either.
We
think
that
what's
important,
really
is
the
site
planning
and
the
quality
of
the
spaces
that
are
created
next.
J
This
is
the
previously
mentioned
one-day
genre
community,
where
a
prime
group
has
developed
an
autograph
by
marilyn
hotel,
a
fairfield
inn
and
suites,
a
multi-family
community
with
250
apartments
and
now
a
phase
two
that
we're
currently
working
on
that
will
take
that
community
over
500
apartments,
and
that
concludes
it.
For
my
presentation,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
to
add.
K
K
Expressed
in
my
letter
of
interest
was
very
interested
in
getting
comments
on
so
many
things
that
were
presented
and
we
there
is
some
flexibility.
So
since,
if
there's
a
workshop,
then
we
look
forward
to
your
comments
and
be
able
to
answer
any
questions.
K
Too
much
on
everything
you've
done,
but
I
do
want
to
tell
you
what
I
want
to
emphasize
it's
a
very
well
capitalized
company.
It's
been
operating
for
over
30
years
as
a
primary
company,
so
a
philosophy
of
the
company
is
to
have
long-term
hold
philosophy
on
the
assets
that
are
developed.
There's
been
no
a
project
in
recent
years
that
has
been
sold.
So
we
don't
we're,
not
a
merchant
builder.
K
We
have
architecture
in-house,
we
have
estimating,
we
have
purchasing,
we
have
pre-construction,
we
have
accounting,
we
have
a
peer
design
and
we
manage
in-house,
and
our
current
experience
in
these
two
pretty
accurate
classes
is
that
we're?
Currently
we
have
a
construction
in
various
projects
around
the
state.
We've
got.
We've
got
about
1500
apartments
coming
out
of
the
ground.
K
K
That's
going
to
have
a
marion
courtyard
with
a
rooftop
pool
and
bar
337
apartments,
there's
a
little
bit
more
dents
there,
because
it's
close
to
downtown
these
are
15
story,
towers,
parking
structures,
seven
stories
and
then,
on
the
first
floor,
retail
with
an
additional
retail
next
to
it
and
as
far
as
what
we
did
in
one
daytona,
which
was
a
partnership
with
nascar,
we
did
almost
everything
they
put
on
catalan.
K
That
includes
approximately
three
hundred
thousand
square
feet
of
retail.
So
we
we
have,
I
would
say,
projects
that
you
were
welcome
to
look
at
and
we'd
be
happy
to
show
you
around.
As
far
now
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
All.
B
Right,
thank
you
very
much.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
the
process,
I'm
going
to
start
with
councilmember
soraki.
C
I
do
I
understand
your
your
statement
that
you
wanted
to
minimize
the
parking
garage,
so
you
have
more
street
parking.
Would
you
be
open
personally,
203
plus
or
minus
203
surface
parking
spaces.
H
C
No,
it's
okay!
I
had
a
feeling.
That's
good
start
again.
Okay,
sorry,
sorry
about
that.
I
have
my
mask
on
so
I
I
had
said
that
I
understand
your
desire
to
minimize
the
parking
garage
and
have
more
street
parking.
J
I
don't
think
we'd
necessarily
be
opposed
to
that.
However,
the
single
loaded
corridor
conditions
adjacent
to
a
parking
garage
are
not
necessarily
the
most
desirable
in
our
opinion,
and
it's
also
very
costly
to
develop
that
when,
when
you
could
develop
a
double
loaded
corridor
and
apartments
that
have
been
used
to
open
spaces,
the
parking
areas
can
be
minimized
and
the
the
idea
is
that
those
interior
streets
in
large
part
would
be
paver
finish
streets.
They
wouldn't
be
asphalt,
so
they
really
would
become
an
integral
part
of
that
open
space.
C
J
Beautiful
at
this
point,
really,
the
primary
components
of
the
project
are
the
hotel
and
the
residential,
the
hotel
itself
on
the
ground
floor
and
the
slide
you're.
Looking
at
where
you
see
the
word
arrival
and
hotel
basically
to
the
left
of
that
spine
would
be
all
of
the
public
areas
of
the
hotel,
which
would
contain
a
restaurant,
potentially
a
coffee
shop
and
all
that
would
have
exterior
seating,
which
would
be
active
activated
by
the
pool
area
and
to
the
right
of
that
spine
would
be
meeting
spaces.
J
That
would
also
activate
that
general
area
if
we
were
to
incorporate
retail.
I
think
I
don't
want
him
to
speak
jim,
but
it
would
be
somewhat
limited,
given
the
current
circumstances
and
for
the
foreseeable
future.
We
think
that's
going
to
be
the
case,
but
we've
contemplated
that
along
washington
avenue
where
you
have
the
the
arrival
area
of
the
apartment.
Building
that
turns
its
leg
upward.
J
If
you
will
along
washington
avenue,
we
think
that
that,
as
retail
can
help
activate
that
main
entrance
of
the
project
and
play
off
quite
well
with
the
hotel
and
having
said
that
too,
the
amenities
for
the
project
for
the
residential
component
would
really
be
the
entire
spine
of
the
main
building
at
the
center
of
the
site
along
state
street.
So
you
would
have
your
leasing
center,
your
clubhouse,
your
fitness,
potentially
a
coffee
shop,
a
co-working
space.
All
of
that
would
be
developed
along
state
street
really
facing
state
street
and
the
apartment,
courtyard
and
pool
area.
H
Thank
you,
mary.
Do
you
have
an
estimated
cost
for
this
project
at
this
time?
H
K
Yes,
we
have
preliminary
costs.
Obviously
we
have
to
understand
exactly
what
the
evaluation
on
it.
To
give
you
just
a
general
idea.
You
think
the
apartment
component
is
going
to
end
up
costing
you
questions,
including
the
its
designated
structural
parking,
approximately
50
million
in
the
whole.
H
H
And
the
area
behind
city
hall,
where
you
have
the
yellowed
portions
and
the
sort
of
additional
parking,
would
that
parking
you
would
you
would
build
that
parking
and
then
sort
of
give
it
back
to
the
city
or
tell
me
how
that
right
now.
J
Right
now,
in
terms
of
design,
what
we
were
just
thinking
out
loud,
if
you
will
and
it's
open
to
conversation,
is
we
felt
that
it
would
be
very
beneficial
to
the
existing
city
hall
venue
to
have
easily
accessible
surface
parking
around
it
and
the
creation
of
a
smaller
city
ball
parked
there,
but
obviously
we're
open
to,
and
it
could
easily
that
city
hall
park
could
be
enlarged.
There's
plenty
of
surface
parking
there.
As
far
as
who
would
you
know
sort
of
what
cost
jim
I
I
don't
know
that
you
know
we're
ready
to
is.
K
It
really
something
we
need
to
discuss
with:
okay,
here's
the
city
manager;
yes,.
F
Nat.
Thank
you
mayor.
Looking
at
your
the
different
angles
of
your
massing
studies,
I
noticed
what
looked
to
be
some
type
of
orange,
connecting
bar
between
the
eastern
and
western
buildings.
Is
that
going
to
be
some
kind
of
elevated
skywalk
or
what
might
that
be.
F
Okay
and
number
two
repeating
the
question
from
the
last
group:
who's
going
to
retain
or
what
how's
the
ownership
breakdown
of
the
garage
gonna
go.
What
do
you
envision
there.
K
Like
I
said
earlier,
we
don't
sell,
we
hope
for
the
long
term,
so
we
would.
We
would
be
continuing
to
manage
this
for
the
foreseeable
future.
I
think
they're
asking
particularly
about
the
parking
garage
okay.
If
what,
if,
depending
on
what
the
the
needs
are
or
the
requirements
from
the
city,
then
we
can
work
out.
It's
you
some
kind
leaf
structure.
If
you
want
additional
structure
parking,
we
have
kids
built.
You
know
obviously
going
up
one
one
more
floor.
If
you
wanted
to
so
yeah,
all
that
can
be
worked
out.
B
Right,
thank
you.
I
do
have
two
questions.
One.
Would
you
guys
have
an
appetite
in
just
doing
the
hotel.
K
It's
not
something
that
that
we
had
contemplated,
because
we
always
thought
that
by
being
able
to
do
both,
then
we
can
have
synergy
between
the
two,
especially
with
this,
by
looking
at
this
site
plan,
where
we've
seen
other
plans
in
the
past,
where
they
investigate
designate
some
parcel
for
the
hotel.
But
then
it
doesn't
work
in
many.
J
Ways
from
our
perspective
from
a
design
perspective
in
terms
of
the
hotel
itself,
it
would
have
to
be
a
different,
safe,
parcel,
at
least
the
size
of
what
we're
showing
in
our
site
plan
for
it
to
have
the
right
visibility,
the
right
operational
functions
and
proximity
to
the
parking
garage,
as
well
as
dedicated
access
to
the
garage
which
we
have.
E
B
Got
to
remember
norris,
I.
B
Let's
move.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
At
this
time,
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
to
comments
and
provide
any
feedback,
and
I
will
start
with
council
member
norris.
C
Okay,
I'm
gonna
just
gonna,
be
straight
up
honest.
It
doesn't
tick
all
the
boxes
of
having
anything
for
our
residents
of
oldsmar
citizen
residents.
To
me
this
is
an
apartment
community
with
a
lot
of
surface
parking
and
a
parking
garage,
so
no
offense,
but
it's
not
what
I
envisioned
or
what
we
envisioned.
So
I
love
the
art
ovation
hotel
though
so
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
because
that
would
have
been
perfect.
So
I
really
don't
have
any
other.
I
really
don't
have
any
other.
There's!
No
commercial,
there's!
C
No
retail
park
space,
fountain
yeah,
all.
E
That
got
some
members
for
acting
linda,
just
meant,
you
know
mentioned
most
of
the
stuff.
I
wanted
to
comment
on
there,
but
I
really
like
the
woodfield
project
a
little
bit
better.
Sorry,
I
like
the
design
and
the
concept,
and
I
have
to
agree
with
linda.
I
don't
really
want
that
to
be
an
entire
apartment,
complex
and
I
prime
group,
if
you
can
hear
me,
please
do
the
hotel.
I
love
your
hometown.
F
F
Councilmember
nap,
I'm
going
to
sound
like
an
echo
chamber,
but
to
use
your
words
or
use
the
the
term.
I
just
kind
of
biggest
concern
is
a
lack
of
activation
along
state
street,
given
that
that's
kind
of
what
we
envision
as
a
main
corridor
as
we
hope
that
the
downtown
continues
to
grow
all
the
way
down
to
st
pete
drive
and
turn
turn
onto
saint
onto
st
p
drive.
So
you
know
that's
that's
definitely.
My
biggest
concern
is
the
lack
of
or
really
a
lack
of
retail,
even
though
other
projects
were
mentioned
with
retail.
F
Some
kind
of
don't
know
why
we
didn't
see
much
of
any
here
very
good.
Vice
mayor.
H
Similar
concerns,
you
know
it
it's
and
I
get
that
it's
a
balance.
I
get
that
okay,
we
either,
you
know,
have
a
parking
garage
and
it's
wrapped
in
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
that
takes
all
the
boxes,
but
then
we
don't
have
as
much
green
space.
We
have
what
dan
called
a
very
large
project
where
you
know.
Okay,
that's
a
lot
to
swallow.
We're
you
know
trying
to
fit
this
piece
on
a
piece
of
land
or
you
know
kind
of
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
spectrum.
We
have.
H
H
You
know,
I
really
do
feel
like
we
made
an
investment
in
the
property
next
to
city
hall,
specifically
not
so
much
the
library
but
for
the
city
hall
property
I
feel
like
we
did,
invest
in
it
and
make
a
promise
to
our
citizens
to
create
a
space
that
involves
everyone
and
while
a
lot
of
people
would
get
a
lot
of
enjoyment
out
of
having
an
apartment,
complex
there
and
and
living
there
and
enjoying
the
amenities
that
surround
it.
I
feel
like
there
needed
to
be
a
little
bit
more
commercial
space.
H
For
me,
I
think
that
also
makes
it
a
nice
transition
from
the
existing
commercial
on
the
opposite
side
of
state
street
and
kind
of
creates
that
main
main
street.
You
know
that
downtown
main
street
and
I
was
looking
for
a
little
bit
more
commercial
as
well
as
folks
had
mentioned,
and-
and
it
is
tough
because
to
me-
I
see
you
know
in
in
the
woodfield
presentation.
You
know
that
is
a
big
building.
H
That
is
a
very
large
enclosed
parking
garage
that
it's
a
lot
to
swallow,
but
I
do
think
that
the
design
elements
kind
of
the
setback
idea
deals
with
that
nicely.
I
do
have
a
problem:
putting
surface
parking
in
a
whole
lot
of
apartments
next
to
city
hall
that
doesn't
give
our
residents
back.
What
I
feel
we
invested
in.
B
B
Clearly
the
change
in
the
market
has
changed
strategy,
and
so
I
respect
that,
but
I
do
believe
we
have
stuff
to
consider-
and
I
took
us
20
years
to
buy
all
the
property
and-
and
we
probably
could
have
sold
it
a
long
time
ago.
If
we
were
just
interested
in
putting
apartments
there.
You
know
I
mean
not
not
to
I
don't
mean
to
be
short.
B
I
absolutely
love
some
of
the
work
that
prime
group
does
on
hotels,
but
I
also
respect
that
that
may
not
be
a
good
fit
for
them
all
right.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
on.
That's
it!
That's
where
we're
at
it's
an
opportunity
to
have
given
some
feedback.
B
B
Take
it
back
to
the
shop
talk
it
over,
make
whatever
final
changes,
they
would
do
to
a
final
proposal
proposal.
Have
that
proposal
go
back
to
the
city
manager,
at
which
point
they
vet
it.
It
comes
to
us
and
we
say:
hey
we
like
this.
We
don't
like
this,
we're
not
going
to
get
into
the
the
design
part
at
that
point
other
than
you
know
the
debate
of
it
and
say:
hey,
go
make
a
deal
with
this
person.
B
Go
bring
us
a
deal,
that's
good
for
the
citizens
of
the
people
of
oldsmar.
I'm
going
to
remind
our
team
up
here,
and
this
is
for
our
council,
because
I
don't
want
us
to
reinvent
the
wheel
right
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons.
I
believe
that
we
don't
have
a
a
downtown
right
now,
and
that
is
you
know:
we've
gone
through
a
process
and
I
recognize
there's
new
people
on
council
from
that
process,
but
march
will
make
it
two
years
since
we
started
working
on
this
effort.
Yeah
right.
That's
not
that
long
ago.
B
Well,
let's
change
this
change
that
you
know
we
always
will
be
flexible
and
there'll
be
new
people
on
here
before
we're
done
right
and-
and
I
recognize
that-
but
keep
in
mind
that
we
have
been
through
this
process
with
our
citizens
and
starting
over-
is
just
that
starting
member
which
your
mayor's
not
a
big
fan
of
so,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
else
is,
quite
frankly,
it's
like
hey.
No
more
promises
deliver
right
enough
with
the
labor.
Give
me
the
baby
and
that's
kind
of
where
at
all
right.
B
So
hey
one
other
thing
before
we
adjourn
and
I'm
going
to
apologize
to
staff,
because
I
I
don't
know
if
we
actually
nailed
this
down,
but
you
know
what
we've
never
done
as
a
group,
this
council
we've
not
had
our
group
pictures
and
that's
because
of
covid
you'll
recall
when
the
board
changed.
We
couldn't
do
the
pictures
and
all
that
other
stuff
because
of
social
distancing,
and
so
we
came
up
with
an
idea
to
maybe
use
the
stairs
out
back
where
we
can
social
distance.