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C
F
F
F
I'd
like
to
call
this
tuesday
august
17
2021
meeting
of
the
oldsmar
city
council
to
order
the
first
two
items
on
the
agenda
are
the
invocation
and
pledge
of
allegiance.
If
you
can
all
please
rise
and
before
we
begin
the
invocation,
which
will
be
led
by
our
city,
attorney,
I'd
like
to
turn
the
floor
over
to
council
member
again.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
I
wanted
to
lift
up
in
a
moment
of
silence.
Tonight,
family
and
members
of
our
community
rob
feld,
who
was
45
years
old,
died
monday
august
16th
at
8
11
a.m.
From
severe
pneumonia,
he
was
husband
of
kim
pedifeld
a
long
time.
Member
of
the
leisure
services
advisory
board,
members
of
our
community
since
1999
their
daughter,
sarah
is
10.
She
attends
oldsmar
elementary
school
rob
was
a
scout
leader
in
leadership
with
the
elks.
A
softball
coach
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
remember
them
in
a
moment
of
silence.
F
Thank
you,
katie.
I'd
also
like
to
give
the
floor
to
our
city
manager
because
we
lost
somebody
in
the
county
recently.
A
Thank
you,
our
heavenly
father.
We
come
humbly
before
you
in
a
time
of
sorrow.
The
death
of
bill
horn
burdens
our
hearts,
a
burden
shared
throughout
the
city
of
oldsmore.
We
pray
that
you
will
comfort
loretta
and
welcome
bill
into
your
heavenly
kingdom.
We
are
hopeful
that
your
grace
and
love
will
be
with
the
horn,
family
and
those
present
here
tonight
who
share
in
their
pain
and
loss.
This
we
pray,
amen,
amen.
F
F
We
also
ask
that
you
limit
your
comments
to
five
minutes,
and
the
last
item
is
that
we
ask
that
you
not
speak
to
any
of
the
items
that
we
have
listed
for
a
public
hearing.
Tonight,
it's
going
to
be
a
little
different.
We
will
speak
at
that
time.
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
speak,
that's
going
to
be
items
number
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11
and
12
on
the
agenda.
F
H
Thank
you
mayor
members
of
the
council.
My
name
is
major
ted
morris,
I'm
the
director
of
the
salvation
army
for
upper
pinellas
county,
which
of
course
includes
the
osmar
area.
Many
people
are
not
aware
that
the
salvation
army
is
actually
a
church
or
denomination
of
the
protestant
christian
church
and
part
of
our
mission
statement.
Our
international
mission
statement
says
this:
our
mission
is
to
preach
the
gospel
of
jesus
christ
and
to
meet
human
needs
in
his
name
without
discrimination.
H
H
The
global
pandemic
has
created
a
new
threat
of
stability
to
the
people
of
our
community
and
people
living
on
the
edge
of
poverty,
particularly,
and
so,
as
we
try
to
resume
our
noble
lives
as
best
as
we
can.
Many
families
are
experiencing
a
heightened
risk
of
falling
below
the
poverty
line
entering
a
multi-year
challenge
of
poverty,
the
worst
case
of
this
being
homelessness.
H
E
Jason
sanders
chairman
of
the
upper
tampa
chamber
of
commerce,
101
state
street.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
city,
council
and
the
city
of
oldsmar,
for
we
had
a
second
friday
event
last
week
which
got
rained
out.
We
had
to
call
it
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
citizens
want
to
thank
the
citizens.
E
30
or
40
of
them
did
come
out
and
brave
the
wind
and
rain,
but
also
so
you
guys
know
your
assistant
city
manager,
felicia
donnelly
with
her
husband,
came
out
in
full
rain
gear
with
umbrellas
and
everything
else
and
braved
it
for
a
good
20
minutes
or
so
so.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
and
thank
you
for
supporting
us
and
we
get
a
sunny
day.
It's
going
to
be
that
much
better.
So
that's
all
thanks.
All.
F
Right
everybody
on
this
side
of
the
road
citizens
open
forum,
all
right
at
this
time,
I'll
close
the
citizens
open
forum
at
this
time,
I'll
ask
the
city
council
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
of
the
day
for
the
purpose
of
moving
items.
Nine
and
ten
to
be
next
on
the
agenda.
F
I
have
a
motion.
I
have
a
second
second
of
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion.
Sensing
you're
ready
to
vote
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
Aye.
All
opposed
motion
passes
next
item
on
the
agenda
city
attorney.
Oh
before
we
do
that.
Let
me
do
this
just
so
everybody's
aware,
because
the
public
hearing
procedure
is
a
little
bit
different
from
what
we
do
in
a
citizen's
open
forum.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
if
you
have
an
agenda.
F
F
The
mayor
opens
the
public
hearing,
we
have
the
public
hearing,
we
hear
pros
and
cons.
The
mayor
closes
the
public
hearing.
As
I
said,
we
have
no
applicant
to
make
a
closing
statement.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
a
second
then
the
council
discusses
and
then
we
vote
by
roll
call
and
the
city
clerk
records
and
announces
the
results.
Okay,
it's
a
little
bit
different.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
was
aware
of
that
up
front.
All
right
with
that.
D
A
Thank
you.
So
this
is
item
number
nine
on
your
agenda.
This
is
the
public
hearing
and
for
the
first
reading
of
ordinance,
20
21-25
amending
comprehensive
plan,
I'm
going
to
read
that
ordinance
by
title
only
ordinance
2021-25
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
oldsmar
florida
amending
policy
6.1.5
of
the
future
land
use
element
to
allow
for
mixed-use
developments
within
certain
areas
of
the
community
redevelopment
district.
A
Amending
the
community
redevelopment
district
land
use
category
listed
in
article
7
future
land
use
map
to
provide
for
transit,
accommodations
and
provide
incentives
for
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
developments
within
the
area
south
of
tampa
road
and
north
of
state
street,
creating
a
property
rights
element,
as
required
by
florida
statute,
163.3177
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
That
was
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
2021-25
by
title.
Only.
G
Nothing
for
me
other
than
I'd,
introduce
our
planning
and
redevelopment
director
who
will
make
a
presentation.
Thank
you.
Tatiana.
K
So
this
is
a
text
amendment
to
the
town,
center
code
and
city
of
old,
smart,
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
the
same
presentation
that
we
had
last
time
with
the
minor
slides
that
have
been
updated
to
include
some
of
the
verbal
comments
that
were
made,
so
these
slides
will
be
additional
to
the
powerpoint.
K
Downtown
redevelopment
has
been
the
council
priority
for
many
years.
The
intent
was
always
to
develop
a
functional
and
attractive
place
and
recreate
a
main
street.
The
city
worked
on
multiple
concept
plans
over
the
years
for
activation
of
downtown.
Our
community
needs
a
mix
of
uses,
including
residential
and
commercial
development
along
state
street
downtown
redevelopment
efforts.
K
Over
the
years,
there's
been
several
downtown
plant
iterations
with
public
input
which
included
old
square
reo
station
park,
plaza
market
square
usf,
cra
master
plan,
town
center
plan
and
old,
smart
town
center
sketch.
Since
2001
there
have
been
79
public
agenda
items
to
discuss
development
of
downtown
24
of
those
occurred
since
2019..
K
K
The
existing
conditions
on
the
state
street
today
already
include
historic
building:
open
space
around
the
city
hall,
newer,
mixed
use,
offices
and
apartments,
doctor's
offices
and
other
available
commercial
space.
The
following
slides
included
transformation
over
the
last
two
decades
and
included
public
and
private
improvements.
K
So
how
do
we
activate
some
of
the
existing
places
that
have
been
developed
over
the
years
and
ensure
that
new
development
is
successful?
Well,
we
have
to
create
a
sense
of
place,
encourage
mix
of
uses,
identify
catalyst
projects
and
invest
in
this
streetscape
or
continue
investment
in
the
streetscape.
I
should
say
what
we
might
be
missing,
so
it
might
be
a
catalyst
project.
This
graphic
depicts
a
vertically
integrated
mixtures
development
as
presented
by
the
woodfield.
K
So
why
vertically
integrated
use
of
this
location?
Well,
the
city
of
oldsmar
town
center
is
is
located
within
the
designated
activity
center,
which
permits
higher
densities
under
the
county
wind
rules.
However,
current
crd
standards
do
not
provide
suitable
densities
to
support
vertically
integrated
development.
K
Therefore,
staff
is
proposing
the
text
amendment
case
2103
is
a
text
amendment
to
section
3.7,
town
center,
commercial,
residential,
tccr
district.
K
The
proposed
incentive
in
the
crd
category
would
allow
up
to
65
units
per
acre
for
residential
150
units
per
acre
for
transit,
accommodations
and
a
floor
area.
Ratio
of
2.0
developments
exceeding
the
current
maximum
density
and
intensity
of
the
crd
category,
which
are
30
units
per
acre
in
far-01,
would
be
required
to
provide
hurricane
evacuation
closures
and
re-entry
plans
for
their
specific
development.
K
First
of
all,
the
mixed-use
development
is
also
referred
to
as
a
sustainable
development
or
smart
growth
or
new
urbanism
and
or
infill
development.
It
originated
as
a
new
national
growth
management
technique
as
a
counteracting
measure
to
sprawl
in
the
late
90s
to
early
2000s
patterns,
utilizing
integrated
mass
transit,
with
greater
emphasis
on
protecting
natural
resources,
preserving
open
space
and
revitalizing
existing
urban
cores
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
includes
compact,
residential
and
commercial
development
within
the
same
building.
K
Mixed-Use
development
creates
additional
housing
options
for
residents
attracts
younger
affluent
population.
Everyone
walking
by
the
shops
are
living
nearby
becomes
a
potential
customer.
It
reduces
cost
to
maintain
public
infrastructure,
reduces
environmental
footprint
and
helps
to
attract
new
employers.
K
K
The
following
slide
demonstrates
that
the
available
uses
to
which
the
property
may
be
put
are
appropriate
to
the
property
in
question
and
compatible
with
the
existing
and
planned
uses
in
the
area.
We're
not
introducing
any
new
uses
here.
So
current
use.
Current
density
for
residential
includes
30
units
per
acre,
we're
putting
it
at
65
units
per
acre
under
the
county
line
rules.
K
K
K
K
The
amendment
will
not
conflict
with
the
needs
of
the
community
redevelopment
district
or
the
city.
The
city
of
oldsmore
has
been
trying
to
redevelop
and
revitalize
its
downtown
area
and
recreate
a
main
street
along
state
street
for
decades.
The
density
intensity
may
facilitate
this
process
by
spurring
the
development
along
tampa
road
and
state
road
580
and
increasing
the
commercial
activity
along
state
street.
K
Why
do
we
have?
Why
is
this
location
is
suitable
for
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development?
Well,
as
shown
on
this
graphic,
we
have
a
gradual
increases
in
density,
which
is
consistent
with
the
transect
model
going
from
the
reolds
park
to
our
e1
e2.
Larger
lots
to
r1
r3
are
two
district
with
compact
single
family
homes
to
tccn
district
with
state
street
and
saint
petersburg
drive
where
we
see
some
mixed-use
development
at
lower
densities
to
tccr
district,
which
already
permits
again
under
county-wide
rules
on
some
higher
densities.
K
K
K
The
oldsmar
water
supply
infrastructure
in
reverse,
osmosis
water
treatment
plant
has
a
daily
production
capacity
of
2.0
millions
gallons
per
day.
Water
system,
including,
like
including
ours,
are
designed
with
additional
capacity
for
future
development
and
needs
with
the
plans
to
develop
a
vital
downtown.
The
proposed
fiscal
year
22
budget
includes
water
supply
plant
update
to
ensure
our
water
supply
stays
consistent
with
demand
to
into
the
foreseeable
future.
K
At
the
time
that
water
demand
is
less
than
75
percent
of
the
capacity
the
florida,
the
department
of
environmental
protection
mandates
that
the
city
performs
annual
capacity
analysis
reports
and
begins
planning
for
future
supply
expansion
to
meet
the
projected
needs.
In
addition,
each
potential
development
requires
to
pay
impact
fees
to
reserve
capacity
and
is
required
to
extend
or
increase
the
existing
infrastructure
to
the
new
development.
K
The
average
daily
flow
at
the
oldsmar
water
reclamation
facility
in
2020
was
1.5
mgds
the
permitted
adf
at
the
water.
The
wrf
is
2.25
million
gallons
per
day.
The
wrf
is
operating
at
67
capacity.
Currently,
if
and
when
the
adf
is
75
at
capacity,
the
city
is
mandated
by
fdp
to
begin
preparing
annual
capacity,
analysis
reports
and
begin
planning
for
future
supply
expansion
to
meet
the
protect
projected
needs.
If
a
new
development
anywhere
in
the
sewer
service
area
requires
an
extension
or
expansion
of
the
wastewater
collection
system.
K
K
There
are
two
elementary
schools
located
within
the
city
of
oldsmar
forest
lakes
and
oldsmore
elementary.
These
schools
have
the
combined
capacity
of
about
1400
seats,
and
the
combined
for
total
of
enrollment
last
fall
was
about
9.44
based
on
the
preliminary
data.
It
appears
that
there
is
unused
capacity
at
both
schools
at
the
present
time.
K
K
The
amendment
will
not
constitute
will
grant
will
not
grant
a
special
privilege
to
an
individual
owner.
K
This
amendment
would
provide
a
density
incentive
to
anyone
who
meets
the
guidelines
for
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
located
within
the
tccr
district
and
the
boundary
that
was
in
question
is
on
the
west
side.
I'm
sorry
on
the
east
side,
so
the
park
avenue
plaza
is
within
the
tccr,
while
the
mobile
gas
station
is
outside,
including
wendy's
site,
which
is
also
outside.
K
The
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
tccr
zoning
district
and
crd
is
presented
to
permit
a
density
bonus
for
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development,
correct
and
inconsistency
between
the
maximum
floor
area
ratio
in
the
tccr
district
and
the
crd
land
use
category
of
the
comprehensive
plan
provide
clarifying
language
regarding
density
and
intensity
averaging.
Thank
you.
F
That's
right:
okay,
thank.
K
K
D
F
Was
a
lot
that's
a
lot
all
right.
Just
before
you
sit
down,
does
the
council
have
any
questions
of
staff?
I
will
start
with
council
member
gradler.
No.
D
F
Thank
you,
councilmember
gana,.
C
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
skip
back
one
slide
before
the
recommendations.
I
just
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
review.
Yes,.
K
Yes,
so
the
impact
assessment
will
be
required
at
the
time
of
the
development,
so
any
traffic.
As
I
mentioned,
the
traffic,
the
detailed
traffic
impact
study
will
be
required
at
the
time
of
each
development,
together
with
like
the
fixture
count.
So
we
only
can
estimate
it's
very
difficult
to
predict
what
the
development
might
look
like
in
this
area,
because
we
don't
have
any
concept
plans
at
this
time.
K
But
when
the
concept
plan
is
presented,
the
developer
would
also
provide
some
kind
of
like
estimate
how
many
trips
that
particular
use
may
generate,
or
what
type
of,
if
it's
apartments,
how
many
gallons
per
day
there
would
be
a
demand
for
you
know
such
facility
and
and
so
on.
So
there
there
are
multiple
things,
so
we
have
on
the
concurrency
test
statement
in
the
code
and
based
on
the
concurs
concurrency
test
statement.
You
have
to
provide
basically
just
trips
per
daily
trips
and
then
estimated
gallons
of
water
into
your
capacity.
C
K
Yes,
yes,
well,
first
of
all
the
staff
checks
it
against
the
code.
Then
we
would
be
required
to
contact
fdot,
because
any
projects
located
on
tamper
road
would
have
to
be.
We
will
have
to
notify
them
by
code
and
schools
the
same
with
schools.
The
though
moving
forward,
if
we
do
have
a
development,
so
they
may
have
to
hire
another
school
teacher
to
accommodate
for
this,
but
that
will
be
done.
The
detailed
assessment
will
be
done
at
the
time
of
each
development,
so.
C
B
President,
thank
you
mayor
tatiana.
Could
you
just
provide
some
clarity
for
the
previously
proposed
and
considered
simone
development
plan
for
the
hotel?
Would
either
this
exact
or
a
similar
proposed
text?
Amendment
have
been
required
or
felicia.
H
Oh
sorry,
felicia
donnelly,
no,
it
wouldn't
have
because
it
didn't
require
a.
It
did,
require
text
change
to
the
ldc
which
we
did
probably
like
a
year
ago,
and
then
it
didn't
require
a
an
amendment
to
the
comp
plan
because
it
was
already
consistent
with
the
comp
plan,
so
it
wasn't
a
change
in
the
residential
density.
I.
B
H
F
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
Thank
you
anything
else,
nope.
Thank
you,
nice,
tattoo,
good
job,
good
job.
Thank
you
all
right.
At
this
time,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public
hearing,
I'm
going
to
start
on
the
left
side
of
the
room.
Is
there?
Anybody
who
wishes
to
speak
on
this
matter
raise
your
hand
I'll
start
in
the
back
and
work
my
way
forward,
how's
that
and
I
I
should
acknowledge
that
mayor
beaverland
walked
in
the
room
good
to
have
you
mayor.
E
Good
evening
john
superior
for
levitt
reside
at
601
washington
avenue.
I
was
up
here
a
couple
weeks
ago.
I
read
my
little
paper
and
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
that.
I
am
completely
in
favor
of
this.
You
know
without
density
we
don't
have
a
downtown-
and
I
know
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
and
to
attract
any
developers
into
this
area
to
go
ahead
and
bring
in
money
and
to
develop
downtown.
E
We
need
density,
if
not
it's
just
not
going
to
work
and
we're
just
going
to
have
this,
and
when
I
moved
here
20
some
years
ago.
This
is
what
I
always
hope
would
happen
and
I
think
we're
this
close
to
getting
it.
We've
been
this
close
before
and
then
things
appear
or
things
happen.
So
I
really
hope
tonight
you
guys
vote
yes
to
nine
and
ten
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
everything
that
tatiana
had
said
she's
exactly
right,
and
you
know
I
know
for
a
fact
anytime.
E
You
develop
in
oldsmar
at
least
along
tampa
road.
They
require
you
to
do
a
traffic
study.
A
con
concurrency
report
trust
me
it's
expensive.
We
don't
like
it,
but
it
is
required
and
if
improvements
need
to
be
made
typically
they'll
ask
the
developer
to
pay
for
those
costs.
So
if
that
is
a
concern
on
your
side,
most
of
the
time
the
developer
has
to
pay
for
those.
You
know
unless
there's
other
agreements
for
other
things,
maybe
doing
offset
improvements
or
something
like
that,
but
that's
all
worked
out
between
staff
and
everybody.
E
So
but
again,
I
truly
hope
tonight
we
move
on
and
we
take
the
next
step
into
getting
our
downtown.
So
please
vote
yes.
Tonight.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
They
were
going
to
build
town
houses
in.
I
think
peterborough
drive
next
to
the
library.
L
L
L
L
L
I
said.
Let
me
go
talk
to
dale,
which
I
did
blakely's
owned,
all
the
industrial
hat,
the
first
phase
of
the
industry
land
out
here
they
were
part
of
the
janeway
cooperation
who
owned
six
thousand
acres
south
of
osmore.
L
That
land,
I
want
you
to
trade
it
to
the
city
and
he
said
well,
what
are
you
going
to
give
me
for
it?
I
said:
well,
you
want
some,
you
want
some
privileges
and
some
of
your
land
in
the
industrial
park.
L
L
L
I
went
to
dell
again,
I
said
dale,
I
know
what
you
want.
You
want
to
develop
all
those
that
land
behind
on
pine
avenue
behind
that
little
restaurant
there,
where
all
those
my
doctors
there
all
those
buildings
that
are
that
he
rented
out
to
a
lot
of
people
on
pine
avenue
and
and.
L
I
mean
we
can
fight
children,
he
said
I'll,
let
you
all
buy
that
corner
lord,
that
that
piece
of
land
for
a
right
away
and
some
zoning
talked
to
bruce-
and
this
is
okay-
he
was
going
to
build
a
huge
gas
station
there,
the
convenience
store
and
a
bunch
of
other
little
stores
there
on
that
corner.
I
said
you
can't
do
that.
L
L
L
L
L
And
I
made
the
motion
to
pave
the
streets
in
this
downtown
seven
miles,
which
includes
lafayette
because
of
my
wife,
we've
doubled
lanes
off,
yet
the
mayor
or
the
the
manager
said.
Can
I
put
another
100
a
million
dollars
on
your
bonds
when
you're
gonna
pay
the
streets,
I
said:
what's
it
for
he
says,
do
the
drains
on
lafayette,
I
said:
put
the
million
dollars
on
that,
an
extra
million
on
the
bond
for
my
streets,
not
my
streets,
but
my
program.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
F
L
L
L
F
F
You're
welcome
anybody
on
this
side
of
the
room
right
there.
Now
just
so,
you
know.
I
have
asked
the
clerk
that
when
we
hit
five
minutes
she
says
be
much
shorter,
because
sometimes
I
don't
always
hear
it
up
here.
So
I
did
hear
it
that
time,
though.
M
H
M
When
my
company
baycare
health
system
opened
a
central
business
office
here
on
state
street
and
the
very
warm
welcome
that
the
city
of
oldsmar
gave
to
our
our
company,
and
actually
that
warm
welcome
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
ended
up
buying
a
home
in
oldsmar.
I
thought
well
what
a
what
a
warm
welcome
we
got.
H
H
Do
we
have
any
projections
on
what
we
think
this
addition
is
going
to
take
up
in
our
clean
water?
Are
we
going
to
have
to
add
a
new
facility?
Are
we
looking
into
that?
Is
it
going
to
be
able
to
handle
everything,
even
though
the
recycled
water,
and
because
our
water
is
wonderful
and
I'd
hate
to
see
for
it
to
go
down.
F
N
Evening,
justin
cuomo
downtown
resident
301
park
boulevard,
I'm
finally
recognizing
some
faces
out
there
now.
So
last
time
I
was
up
here,
I
didn't
really
prepare
anything.
I
decided
to
change
that
a
little
bit
and
add
a
little
bit
something
to
read
from
that.
I
wrote
today,
so
I
won't
be
off
script
too
much
and
I
should
be
able
to
make
my
five
minutes
the
last
time
we
all
gathered.
It
seemed
like
this
room
was
divided.
N
N
We
want
a
downtown
that
works,
a
destination
full
of
activities
and
shops
and
restaurants
a
place
to
walk
a
place
to
take
our
bikes
and
our
golf
carts
an
attractive
little
downtown
with
stuff
to
do
being
against
this
project
is
not
being
against.
Oldsmore
woodfield
wants
to
develop
a
10-acre
section
of
the
most
prime
land
that
oldsmar
has
to
offer
state
street
right
between
park
and
washington.
N
N
I
can't
get
around
the
fact
that
architecturally,
our
downtown
would
look
pretty
dope.
N
N
I
live
nearby
feels
a
little
bit
like
I'm
the
one.
That's
that
needs
to
save
the
shops.
N
If
that's
what's
going
to
make
or
break
our
little
downtown,
you
just
missed
a
half,
a
million
people
that
live
in
the
upper
tampa
bay
area.
People
who
drive
through
here
these
luxury
apartments
that
they're
putting
up
they
don't
do
anything
for
me.
They
don't
do
anything
for
forest
lakes,
woodlands,
east
lake
oaks.
N
N
N
N
Woodfield
will
get
what
they
want
and
we
will
end
up
back
where
we
are
right.
Now
you
give
them
the
population
density
they
want
and
that's
all
future
developers
are
going
to
be
interested
in
you're,
giving
up
a
lot
for
oldsmar
I'll
ask
this
again.
How
can
we
get
a
proposal
like
this
without
more
than
doubling
our
population
density
downtown?
N
N
N
And
one
last
thing
telling
people
that
they're
wrong-
or
they
don't
have
enough
information-
that's
not
good
enough!
I'm
happy
with
the
presentation
that
they
did
today
and
some
of
the
information
that's
been
on
the
website,
but
it
was
pretty
hard
getting
to
that.
I'm
almost
done
putting
information
out
into
the
black
hole.
The
internet
is
not
doing
your
job.
It's
not
good
enough.
N
M
Hi
valerie
tadazewski
1200
sawgrass
court
ultimate
florida
over
by
the
ice
rink.
Sorry,
I'm
a
little
nervous
guys.
That's.
M
To
be
here,
I'm
usually
watching
it
on
youtube,
which
is
the
one
of
the
best
thing
you
guys
have
done,
because
now
I
can
attend.
I've
got
a
kid
at
home
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
make
the
meetings
on
a
tuesday
night
I'll
just
say
right
from
the
bat
I'm
asking
you
to
vote
no
on
the
density,
mostly
because
we
don't
have
a
full
plan.
M
M
I
myself
have
been
confused
about
this
project.
I'm
actually
ginger's
daughter-in-law,
so
she
was
like
you've
got
to
watch
the
last
meeting.
This
is
really
important,
stuff's
going
on
downtown,
so
I
watched
it.
I
actually
thought
that
she
was
talking
about
the
project
that
they
had
boards
up
in
the
library,
for
that
was
like
the
usf
project
that
they
created
because
there's
been
so
many
different
projects
over
the
years
I
mean
they
even
said
in
the
presentation.
M
So
what
I'm
asking
you
guys
to
do
as
a
counsel
is
just
to
provide
more
information,
and
I
do
have
a
couple
of
examples
that
I
just
kind
of
came
up
with
off
the
top
of
my
head
for
getting
more
info
out
there
and
getting
more
people.
I
understand,
there's
another
public
meeting
about
zoning
and
just
to
get
that
information
there,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
residents
don't
know
that
it's
even
happening.
M
I
know
you
guys,
post
on
facebook,
about
the
meeting
and
there's
like
a
link
there
for
the
agenda,
but
a
lot
of
it's
really
vague
so
like
if
you
could
even
just
put
in
like
really
simple
terms,
there's
a
public
hearing
on
zoning
for
the
new
downtown,
something
that,
when
you're
scrolling
through
facebook,
you
can
see
it
grabbed
your
attention.
You
actually
know
what's
happening
at
the
meeting
instead
of
having
I
had
to
click
three
or
four
times
to
even
get
to
what
the
agenda
was
tonight.
M
M
Another
one
was
plans
at
the
library,
the
boards,
those
were
great,
and
I
encourage
you
guys
when
you
get
further
in
the
development.
You
have
an
idea
from
this
builder
to
do
that,
so
that
people
see
it
a
lot
of
people
visit
the
library
and
the
rec
center,
and
if
you
could
have
it
a
sample
of
something
in
both
places,
I
think
you'd
get
to
a
lot
of
people
and
they
would
be
more
informed
and
then
a
third
one
was
like
a
text
campaign
or
maybe
a
recorded
notice.
M
I
mean
we
get
texts
when
they're
sandbags.
So
I
know
you
guys
have
my
number.
So
I'm
just
saying
it's
a
it's
a
way.
It's!
I
don't
know
how
much
that
costs
you
per
tax,
but
it
seems
like
a
fairly
simple
way
to
get
information
out
there,
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
discontentment
with
this
project
is
people
feeling
like
they're
uninformed,
and
so
it's
just
some
examples
of
ways
that
you
guys
could
maybe
settle
everyone
down.
We're
not
trying
to
hide
information
from
you.
M
But
when
you
do
go
on
the
city
website,
it
is
hard
to
get
some
of
the
information
that
you're
looking
for.
I
am
on
the
city,
facebook
page
and
I
was
confused
myself,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
also
a
quick
note.
I
have
a
degree
in
social
work,
so
my
point
of
view
is
always
kind
of
from
that
version.
M
I
know
in
pinellas
county
right
now
we
have
a
housing
crisis
for
affordable
housing,
so
I
just
encourage
you
guys,
when
you're
in
negotiations
with
this
project,
to
encourage
the
builder
to
make
these
apartments
affordable
for
people
who
work
in
old
mar
because
we
want
people
who
work
and
live
in
oldsmar
to
be
able
to
afford
these
apartments
and
they
look
pretty
bougie.
So
I
know
myself
what
I
bought
my
house
for
here
at
oldsmar
back
in
2013..
M
I
couldn't
afford
to
live
in
these
apartments
as
what
you're,
showing
and
so
just
a
suggestion,
and
then
also,
I
want
to
say
a
quick
thank
you
to
andrew
and
steve.
You
guys
met
with
me
and
talked
with
me,
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
I
know
you
guys
have
families,
so
you
took
time
out
and
I
appreciate
it
so
thank
you.
J
Yes,
so
I'm
tech,
ginger,
tadaski
303
park
boulevard,
I'm
very
technologically
challenged,
and
I
had
a
great
deal
of
trouble
with
this
and
I'll
try
to
get
through
it
quickly.
Just
some
thoughts
I
put
together
oldsmar
a
great
place
to
live
work
and
play
here's
oldsmar's
oldest
building.
I
think
that
sets
the
tone
for
downtown
beautiful
architecture,
flowers,
trees
and
everything
around
it,
and
that's
basically,
where
we're
the
beginning
of
our
downtown.
J
J
So
I
did
a
lot
of
research.
This
week.
The
global
urban
economic
dialogue
series
case
studies,
small
town
development
approaches,
the
university
of
north
carolina
at
chapel
hill
identified,
studied
and
documented
50
case
studies
of
small
towns
across
the
united
states
that
are
using
a
wide
range
of
community
and
economic
development
strategies
to
advance
their
community's
vision
for
prosperity.
I
read
all
50
of
these
cases.
J
Brevard
north
carolina
city
worked
with
transylvania
county
to
assemble
a
network
of
retirees
who
provide
a
range
of
services
to
entrepreneurs
and
local
small
business
owners.
We
have
people
with
every
kind
of
business
experience.
You
can
imagine
said
the
coordinator
from
human
resources
to
engineering
to
marketing
finance
and
accounting.
J
Even
some
fortune,
500
companies
board
nebraska
city
of
award,
the
county
and
the
chamber
of
commerce
worked
out
an
inter-local
agreement
under
which
the
three
entities
committed
to
work
together
and
to
share
the
cost
of
and
revenues
from
community
and
economic
development
city
county
and
chamber
each
agreed
to
contribute
15
000
a
year
for
a
three-year
contract
to
build
a
cohesive
program.
Second
residents
passed
a
one-cent
sales
tax
for
economic
development
revenue.
Revenue
from
this
tax
could
be
used
for
business
loans
and
other
incentives
or
leveraged,
as
matching
monies
for
grant
money.
J
Communities
can
grow
by
choice
or
by
chance,
abraham
lincoln,
used
to
say
the
best
way
to
predict
the
future
is
to
create
it
yourself.
Communities
with
a
vision
for
the
future
will
always
be
more
successful
than
communities
that
just
accepts
whatever
comes
along.
Do
we
want
to
be
safety
harbor
in
geneva?
J
Another
mistake
is
thinking
that
economic
revival
is
about
the
one
big
thing.
American
communities
are
littered
with
projects
that
were
sold
as
a
silver
bullet
solution
to
a
city's
economic
lows,
whether
it
is
a
convention
center,
casino,
new
mall
factory
sports
arena
or
an
aquarium
city
after
city
has
followed
the
copy
cat
logic
of
competition.
J
J
J
All
development
is
not
created
equal
some
development
projects
will
make
the
community
a
better
place
to
live,
work
and
visit.
Other
projects
will
not
the
biggest
impediment
to
better
development
in
many
communities
is
the
fear
of
saying
no
to
anything
communities
that
will
not
say
no
to
bad
development
will
get
the
worst
of
everything.
The
proof
is
everywhere,
communities
that
set
low
standards
or
no
standards
will
compete
to
the
bottom.
On
the
other
hand,
communities
that
set
high
standards
will
compete
to
the
top.
J
This
is
because
they
know
that
if
they
say
no
to
bad
development,
they
will
always
get
better
development.
In
its
place,
too
many
elected
officials
have
an
it'll
do
attitude
toward
new
development.
Worse,
yet
they'll
accept
anything
that
comes
down
the
pike,
even
if
the
proposed
project
is
completely
at
odds
with
the
community's
well
thought
out.
Vision
for
the
future,
they
are
simply
afraid
to
place
any
demands
on
a
developer
for
fear.
The
developer
will
walk
away
if
the
community
asks
too
much.
J
This
is
especially
true
when
dealing
with
out-of-town
developers
or
with
national
change
stores
and
franchises.
The
lessons
learned
is
that
successful
communities
have
high
expectations.
They
know
that
community
identity
is
more
important
than
corporate
design
preferences,
and
this
was
just
my
idea
board
of
things
that
might
be
downtown
someday,
shaded
walk
areas,
some
little
art
projects.
J
Olsmar
a
place
to
live,
work
and
play.
I
just
have
one
more
second.
D
J
J
F
E
All
right,
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
mike
boylan.
I
live
on
576
lake
cypress
circle
on
the
other
side
of
tampa
road
and
I'm
I
am
in
favor
of
this
100
percent.
So
I
hope
you
guys
girls
get
to
vote
yes
tonight.
I
grew
up
as
a
florida
native
grew
up
in
palm
harbor.
I've
seen
progress.
I've
seen
tamper
road
go
from
two
lane
to
four
lane
to
sixth
lane
can't
stop
it
tampa
road,
isn't
stopping.
We
can
stop
this
project,
but
it's
still
b-I-t-c-h
on
tampa
road.
E
So
if
we
don't
have
this
we're
going
to
have
to
go
to
dunedin
safety,
harbor,
so
progress,
you
can't
stop,
and
I
do
not
believe
this
is
going
to
change
the
fact
that
we're
growing-
and
this
is
eventually
we're
going
to
grow
somewhere
else.
If
we
don't
like
it
so
that
that
to
me
is
not
what
should
should
stop
this
project,
I
think
osmar
has
a
lot
of
parks.
We
have
record
parks
right.
E
We
have
record
places
on
the
water
bmx
hockey
fishing,
so
we
still
have
all
that,
but
we
got
a
future
to
think
about.
I
believe
I'm
a
younger,
I
still
feel
like
I'm
young,
I'm
in
my
40s,
but
I
have
kids
and
I
believe
that
we
need
to
grow
and
I
think
we
got
to
have
stuff
like
this
as
a
community
to
have
an
active
center.
I
just
my
opinion.
I
love,
I
love
the
need,
and
I
love
city
harbor.
I
you
know
this
is
not
a
small
town.
E
You
mean
this
project
isn't
going
to
make
our
city
small.
I
mean
we.
We
have
to
accept
it
like
I
said,
look
at
tampa
road
and
you
know
the
traffic
at
forest
lakes.
Now,
where
I
live,
I
didn't
have
a
choice:
we've
had
apartments
put
in
we've
had
all
you
know,
growth
all
around
me,
and
you
just
said
that
I
mean
you
just
you
can't
stop
progress
and
just
have
to
embrace
it,
but
you
know
I
love
what
the
city
has
done
with
the
homework.
That
presentation
was
phenomenal.
E
E
I
just
think
that
as
a
resident
of
oldsmar
and
it's
what
our
family
wants,
and
we
just
hope
that
you
guys
vote
yes,
because
I
want
to
live
here,
and
I
want
a
thriving
place
to
to
see.
So.
Thank
you.
F
F
I
I
don't
want
you
for
sure
drive
place,
so
those
who
fail
to
learn
from
history
are
doomed
to
repeat
it.
Sir
winston
churchill
in
the
last
meeting
mayor
beavis
and
others
touted
that
this
plan
had
been
in
work
for
20
years.
So,
let's
see
where
we're
at
after
20
years,
we
do
not
have
a
viable
walkable,
downtown
area
with
storefronts
restaurants
or
bars.
We
don't
have
a
set
final
plant
in
the
downtown
area.
We
don't
even
have
a
preliminary
plan.
We
haven't
performed
any
of
the
necessary
studies
that
were
needed.
I
We
don't
have
a
signed
contract
with
the
firm
designer
and
or
developer
in
april
2020,
the
city
oldsboro
was
set
on
an
rfq
all
to
be
to
go
over
a
design
plan
and
even
oversee
construction
services.
Clearly,
this
is
rfq
to
start
to
be
a
start,
completion
objective.
I
What
happened
to
this
rfp
and
september
night
meeting
the
council
voted
three
to
two
with
the
development
agreement
to
go
with
a
level
of
agreement.
Simon
and
included
in
his
vote
was
understanding
that
the
simon
group
would
be
as
they
presented.
Their
proposal
will
pay
2
000
per
parking
space.
I
Also,
this
figure
was
reprinted
in
a
memo
from
assistant
manager,
donald
lee,
to
breakway,
to
be
included
in
your
package
on
october
29th,
the
city
manager
received
a
letter
from
woodfield
development
with
the
proposal,
design
and
development
project,
in
other
words,
in
the
words
of
city
staff.
This
is
this
change
and
strategy
for
the
city
to
go
from
city
developer,
to
allowing
developer
to
take
the
project
on
entirely.
I
Four
days
later,
in
your
meeting,
the
city
council
amended
their
agenda
and
put
that
letter
on
there
on
on
for
a
vote.
They
voted
five
votes,
a
contract
with
woodfield.
The
council
claims
to
keep
the
public
informed
about
their
progress
and
downtime
development,
but
what
it
really
means
is
that
we'll
let
you
know
what
we
voted
on
stay
tuned
for
more
again:
no
chance
for
plan
public
input,
no
preliminary
studies
or
research
four
days
from
the
receipt
of
a
letter
council
approves
negotiation.
I
It
requires
state
statute
and
168
says
you
should
need
to
go
out
and
advertise
it
how
about
going
back
to
the
firm
that
was
rated
highest
in
that
rfq
back
in
april,
the
city
council
jumped
on
this
proposal
as
fast
and
changed
strategy,
quick,
that's
to
say
as
leave
it
to
beaver
terms.
Gee
wally.
This
sounds
really
well,
let's
swell,
let's
go
for
it.
I
just
lost
the
millennials
there.
Anyways
january
5th,
the
council
voted
500
to
terminate
simon.
I
According
to
the
newspaper
article
written
by
joe's
jeff,
roosevelt
entitled
downtown
hillsborough
project
suffers
another
setback.
This
feud
was
over
two
thousand
dollars
per
space.
That
was
increased
twenty
thousand
dollars
of
space.
The
mayor
later
claimed
it's
a
clerical
error.
Well,
this
clerical
error
was
a
one
point.
Eight
to
two
point:
seven
million
dollar
error.
That's
probably
pretty
substantial
error.
I
Did
none
of
the
council
members
use
a
calculator
in
the
september
meeting
to
go
over
this,
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
there
will
be
another
article
soon
called
downtown
holds
bar
servers.
Yet
another
setback,
because
I
have
all
the
confidence
in
our
patel's
county
leadership.
This
will
not
pass
their
board
because
they're
not
just
an
advisory
board
and
they
are
well
informed
and
they
do
have
land
development
they
will.
They
will
see
what
this
is.
I
Is
it's
recklessness
in
march
again
you
added
another
agenda
item
and
on
at
the
meeting
and
had
presentations
again,
you
voted
woodfield
for
negotiations.
I
In
conclusion,
the
density
ordinance
this
time
is
reckless
and
irresponsible
government
all
because
the
woodfield
development
says
it
has
to
happen
before
they
do
the
design
all
without
a
signed
agreement,
and
maybe,
in
the
workshop
workshop
it
was
said,
woodfield
is
a
good
partner.
This
is
a
for-profit
company
whose
only
goal
is
to
maximize
their
profit.
They
are
not
the
city's
partner.
This
is
a
dangerous
mindset
avoid
yet
another
bureaucratic,
train
wreck,
step
back
and
look
for
some
professional
non-biased
guidance
to
the
downtown
development
project
say
no
to
this
ordinance
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
I
H
O
O
I
bought
my
first
home
in
old,
small
in
astr
mobley
bay
in
2008,
and
then
I
bought
my
first
business
over
here
in
the
old
smart
and
I
have
a
very
proven
track
record.
I'm
here
to
support
this
cause.
I'm
absolutely
here
to
support
this
course,
not
100
5000
percent,
I'm
all
for
this
development.
O
All
in
my
personal
opinion
right
these.
This
development
of
the
downtown
project
should
go
whatever
you
have
designed.
I
have
seen
right,
I'm
not
saying
just
to
say
it
you
can
see.
I
have.
I
did
it
my
own.
Also.
I
bought
a
lot
over
here.
I
redesigned
the
building,
I'm
very
proud
to
tell
you
if
anybody
wants
to
see
that
some
people
have
seen
it.
I
have
designed
one
of
the
most
well
decorated
and
most
modern
doctor
office
in
the
whole
state
of
florida.
I
am
very
proud
to
tell,
and
I
have
a
challenge.
O
Nobody
has
a
doctor
office
like
that.
If
I
did
it
for
my
own
cause
five
minutes
from
downtown,
I
should
be
supporting
this
downtown
redevelopment
course.
I
appreciate
mayor
your
cause.
I
fully
support
you.
I
support
city
council.
Whosoever
is
voting
positive
for
this.
If,
if
somebody
is
voting
against
that,
I
have
a
respect
for
that,
but
this
redevelopment
is
going
to
create
jobs.
It
is
going
to
redefine
the
old
smart
when
I
was
buying
my
building
over
here.
O
One
of
the
biggest
thing
is
right,
because
I
hired
doctors
and
providers
from
all
over
u.s
right
when
they
landed
tampa
airport.
If
they
do
not
find
a
cheap
hotel
over
there
right.
The
first
thing
what
they
do
is
they
put
15
to
20
minutes
from
tampa
airport.
You
know
what
comes
old
smart
comes,
otherwise,
the
second
development
is
going
for
st
pete.
I
was
just.
I
just
met
a
very
nice
lady
she's,
a
realtor
she's,
trying
to
find
a
lot
for
me.
She
met
ex-mayor
of
saint
pete.
O
He
is
going
to
plan
the
same
type
of
development
in
winter.
Heaven
over
there
right,
look
at
what
jane,
castor
is
doing
in
tampa.
Look
at
what
happened
in
saint
pete
when
I
came
to
first
time
in
the
united
states
in
2000
right,
I
used
to
pass
this
hillbill
right.
There
used
to
be
a
chicken
shop
where
you
go
over
there.
It
was
nothing
right,
so
I
praise
all
of
you,
especially
mayor,
get
you
everybody.
I
fully
support
this.
I
fully
support
this.
I
fully
support
this.
O
If
I
can
be
of
any
help
in
this
redevelopment
and
all
that
stuff,
I
consider
myself
a
part
of
this
downtown
development,
because
my
development,
I'm
also
building
another
building
like
a
very
big
tower
over
there,
I'm
trying
to
build
the
microsoft
of
telemedicine
over
here
already
when
I
came
for
the
first
city
council
meeting
like
three
years
ago,
I
used
to
have
only
one
location.
Now
I
have
nine
tele
medicine
locations.
F
H
G
H
School
board,
but
the
entrance
into
oldsmar
elementary
school
was
supposed
to
be
a
secondary
entrance.
It
is
now
the
main
entrance
in
the
elementary
school
and
it's
a
four-way
stop,
and
I
cannot
go
out
in
my
street
and
walk
my
pet
or
anything
without
somebody
running
the
four-way
stop
and
it's
usually
mothers
with
their
children
and
if
I
say
something
to
them,
I
get
the
finger.
My
biggest
problem
with
this
whole
situation
is,
I
don't
care
what
you
do
with
downtown
oldsmar.
I'd
love
to
see.
H
Osmar
have
a
heart,
but
for
you
to
consider
increasing
the
density
from
30
per
acre
to
65
per
acre
is
absolutely
ridiculous.
If
you
want
to
meet
us
in
the
middle,
then
let's
have
a
meeting
and
meet
in
the
middle,
but
let's
not
double
or
more
than
double
the
amount
of
traffic
that
we
have
coming
in.
Now
you
have
to
think
about
our
kids
that
go
to
these
schools.
We
have
two
elementary
schools
in
this
town
and
to
bring
this
much
traffic
by
increasing
the
density,
I
will
vote
against
it
every
chance.
H
I
get
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
record.
Your
name
robert
bulge,
thank
you
want
me
to
spell
it
for
you.
She
probably
oh
yes,
she
wants
spelled
b-a-l-c-h.
H
H
P
P
Just
before
the
gas
station,
the
tccr
east
of
st
pete
drive
is
already
developed
with
three
hotels:
a
bank,
a
restaurant
and
the
beechwood
plaza.
So
I
don't
see
that
as
an
area
of
concern
for
vertically
integrated
mixed
use
in
that
area.
Besides
that,
I'm
not
sure
that
the
gas
station
or
the
wendy's
are
even
big
enough
to
develop
a
vertically
integrated
mixed
fuse.
P
The
property
at
bayview
and
tampa
road
on
the
east
side
is
already
a
non-conforming
use
and
is
part
of
the
tcocr,
and
redevelopment
in
that
area
would
be
perfect
for
a
vertically
integrated
mixed
use
project
with
a
development
agreement
with
the
city,
I
wanted
to
again
discuss
what
could
currently
go
on
this
property
next
to
city
hall,
without
going
to
the
planning
board
and
just
need
tampa
road
corridor.
Approver
approval.
P
P
You
could
put
almost
six
of
these
buildings
on
the
property
next
door,
150
residential
units
and
the
hotel
and
the
parking
garage
oldsmar
is
lucky
that
the
city
had
the
vision
to
buy
up
this
property
starting
back
in
2002,
so
we
had
more
control
over
what
could
go
on
the
property
and
I
believe
jerry
beverland
talked
at
nauseam
about
about
buying
property.
So
it's
something
that
we've
always
done.
P
P
Osmar
has
11
parks,
eight
playgrounds,
one
rec
center,
one
community
center,
six
baseball
fields;
three
softball
fields:
four
tennis
courts;
three
basketball
courts;
three
soccer,
slash
football
fields,
25
picnic
areas,
three
boat,
ramps,
four
fishing
areas,
one
bmx
track
one
spray
park;
one
preserve
one
disc
golf
course:
one
outdoor
hockey,
rink
eight
pick;
pickleball
courts,
two
bocce
ball
courts
and
a
shuffleboard
court
and
the
budget
for
that
to
run
those
is
one
million
one
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
four
hundred
and
ninety
five
dollars,
and
this
year
that's
going
to
include
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
fabric
at
the
fabric,
fencing
at
the
tennis
courts
and
last
year's
budget
included
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
upgraded
spray
part.
P
All
of
these
items
are
free
to
the
residents
to
use
so
doing
nothing
or
making
a
park
is
far
from
free.
The
city
will
not
do
nothing
on
that
property
if
this
property
or
one
sim,
if
this
project
or
one
similar
to
it,
does
not
happen
with
us
owning
it.
It
is
my
guess,
and
just
my
guess
that
the
city
would
probably
sell
the
property
recoup
the
money
we
spent
on
it
and
the
residents
would
get
whatever
the
buyer
wanted
to
put
on
the
property
based
on
its
current
zoning.
P
The
density
increase
in
today's
environment
does
not
directly
equate
to
more
cars
on
the
road
and
we'll
find
that
out
with
a
traffic
study,
and
so
many
of
us
are
working
from
home
and
would
resp
would
expect
that
would
also
apply
in
this
development.
I
read
something
about
the
misinformation
about
the
pic
selection
of
al
braithway
as
the
city
manager,
and
it
discussed
a
that
we
should
have
done
a
national
search
mayor,
sure
I
mean
council,
member
saraki
and
mayor
seidel
and
myself
were
on
that
process.
P
We
did
reach
out
we
reached
out
to,
I
believe,
65
candidates.
They
shortlisted
that
down
to
10
people
and
those
people
did
a
video
interview
and
it
was
clear
by
watching
those
and
again
a
council
manager
form
of
government
is
the
selection
of
the
council.
I
mean
the
city
manager,
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
attorney
is
at
the
pleasure
of
the
city
council
and
it
was
clear
by
watching
those
videos
of
the
10
shortlisted
that
we
made
the
right
decision
in
picking
out
braithway
as
our
city
manager.
P
I
guess
I'm
a
jerry
beverland
I
I
can
just.
I
just
want
to
say
that
they're
saying
yeah
they're,
just
saying
that
you
know
we're
not
providing
enough
information
about
it,
but
I
also
got
to
emphasize
that
misinformation
is
not
helpful
as
well
to
the
residents.
So
we
want
the
facts.
We
want
everything
out
there,
but
misinformation
does
not
help
either.
So
thank
you.
F
E
Jason
sanders
president
of
power
clean
corporation
at
101,
south
bayview
boulevard,
and,
with
all
due
respect
to
jared
beverland,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
go
off
something
that
he
said
a
little
bit
when
when
he
spoke
he
said
that
when
he'd
make
a
decision,
he'd
consider
those
citizens
that
voted
for
voted
for
him
that
were
in
the
area.
E
I
really
want
you
guys
to
consider
all
your
citizens.
If
you
would,
when
you
make
this
vote,
you
have
people
that
voted
for.
You
have
people
that
didn't
vote
for
you.
Please
take
all
of
them
into
consideration,
regardless
how
you
vote
one
way
or
the
other
we'll
live
with
it,
we'll
go
from
there
and
we'll
move
on.
E
Q
103
brent
circle,
I
want
to
say
I
am
for
this
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
out
there
for
people
that
have
been
saying.
There's
not.
I
just
recently
started
following
it,
and
I've
been
able
to
find
anything.
I
need-
and
a
couple
of
things
is
just
comments
that
I
hear
from
from
people
within
the
community.
Q
One
of
them
is,
the
density
doesn't
need
to
be
increased.
Well,
as
we
all
know,
there's
a
business
on
main
street
right
now
trying
to
stay
alive
and
they
can't
these
people
are
not
visiting
them.
We
need
the
higher
density
for
it
here
and
also
on
that
you
know
what
is
this
property
worth
today?
Q
Okay,
that
was
ass
recently.
Well,
if
I
have
five
acres
of
land,
I
can
build
one
house
on
it.
It's
worth
x
amount
of
dollars.
If
I
can
build
five
houses
on
those
five
acres
x
amount
x,
amount
of
dollars.
That's
what
this
decision
is
about
tonight
is
more
of
taking
that
next
step
for
the
density
and
also
with
that
all
the
people
that
you
know
think
that
all
of
a
sudden
there's
going
to
be
this,
it's
going
to
be
built.
Q
Q
You
know
we
have
people
that
are
trying
to
build
downtown
now
and
it's
just
not
working
people
aren't
going.
We
need
outside
people,
you
need
people
to
work
it.
You
need
people
to
be
there.
You
need
you
know
or
we're
just
gonna
have
green
grass
and
that's
it,
which
I'm
like
too,
but
parking
okay
go
to
dunedin
on
a
friday
or
saturday
night
or
safety
harbor.
What
do
you
spend
most
your
time
doing?
Q
F
H
C
H
My
name
is
maria
gould.
I
live
at
436
lafayette.
I
was
here
at
the
last
meeting.
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
a
little
bit
hoarse
I've
been
in
conference,
calls
all
all
day,
but
I'm
all
for
the
project-
and
I
agree
with
many
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
here.
No
decision
is
a
decision
eventually.
The
other
comment
that
was
made.
If
we
don't
decide
on
something
something's
gonna
happen
that
we
have
no
control
of
the
the
proposed
plan
seems
very
thorough,
very
well
thought
out.
H
I
congratulate
the
city
for
such
a
great
plant.
I
haven't
lived
here
for
the
last
20
years,
so
I
don't
know
what
happened
20
years
ago
and
I
do
care,
but
I
care
more
about
what's
going
to
happen
here
in
the
future,
because
I
intend
to
stay
here
and
I
intend
to
invest
in
old,
smart
and
I
live
in
old,
smart
and
I
care
and,
like
the
last
gentleman
said,
we
should
care
about
everyone's
opinion,
but
we
should
also
not
digress
this
into
a
questioning
of.
H
O
H
We
may
not
agree
I've
known
ginger
for
a
long
time,
but
and-
and
she
has
some
good-
everyone
here
has
a
good
point,
but
something's
gonna
happen,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
and
we
need
to
look
for
the
best
features
of
what
can
be
best
for
our
town
and
I'm
all
for
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Next.
Q
Jim
roddicker
1605
graybark
drive.
I
almost
forgot
my
address,
I'm
nervous
up
here.
No,
mr
mayor
council,
mr
city
manager,
mr
trask
happy
birthday
ann,
it's
nice
to
see
you
all
it's
kind
of
funny.
Q
I've
moved
in
penalties
county
in
1977,
and
I
built
my
house
in
oldsmar
in
1997
and
I'm
kind
of
like
a
senior
member
now
on
this
cra
project
and
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
history
of
where
we've
been
from
my
aspect
of
seeing
things
and
where
I
think
we
should
go
when
I
first
moved
here
at
the
time
everybody
just
went
to
work
somewhere
else
and
when
you
got
home
you
pretty
much
had
to
leave
the
city
again,
because
we
only
had
a
handful
of
restaurants
and
there
was
not
many
stores.
Q
So
we
were
like
a
transitory
community,
a
transit
transition,
transitioning
community,
where
nobody,
nobody
worked,
played
and
stayed
here.
So
back
in
the
early
2000s
late
1990s,
the
chamber
came
up
with
the
slogan,
a
great
place
to
live,
work
and
play,
and
they
actually
helped
develop
the
pattern
book
and
our
architectural
standards
for
the
cra.
Q
Q
Q
Another
was,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
remembers
the
west
minister
apartments,
the
city
was
in
an
uproar
when
we
were
going
to
allow
that
to
be
developed
and
we
had
no
choice.
We
were
legally
obligated
to
have
that
happen
correct.
If
we
went
against
it
we
would
have
been
significantly
and
lost
so
we
happened
and
everybody
that
was
against
it.
You
know
the
community
is
gonna,
have
drugs
in
it,
there's
gonna
be
too
much
crime.
They've
been
a
perfect
neighbor,
there's
very
little
problem
there.
Q
So
with
the
cra
one
of
the
biggest
meetings
that
happened.
That
I
can
recall
is
the
city
had
a
consultant
and
the
consultant
deemed
the
cra
area.
A
slum.
Q
It
wasn't
worth
anything
is
what
they
said
and
your
student
citizens
that
came.
Then,
how
dare
you
call
this
islam?
You
know,
and
it
unfortunately
was,
and
I've
got
the
definition
of
what
a
cra
is.
If
I
can
find
it,
I
can't
read.
I
forgot
my
glasses
in
the
car,
but
examples
of
conditions
that
can
support
the
creation
of
a
cra
include
but
are
not
limited
to
the
present
presence
of
substandard
or
inadequate
structures,
a
shortage
of
affordable
housing,
inadequate
infrastructure,
insufficient
roadways
and
inadequate
parking.
Q
So,
anyway,
through
the
years
in
2008,
if
the
economy
didn't
tank,
I
believe
the
city
council
that
I
was
the
mayor
of
at
the
time
we
would
have
passed
the
development.
Q
I
think
it
was
a
hundred
million
dollar
project,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
right
al
was
that
about
right
and
it
included
a
parking
garage
and
apartments
and
everything
else
you're
looking
at
so
this
is
something
that's
not
just
popped
up
in
the
last
couple
days.
This
has
been
going
on
since
at
least
1997.
Q
R
R
It's
true,
I
mean
we.
We
need
to
talk
about
progress
and
we
need
to
talk
about
moving
forward
as
a
city
and
someone
just
mentioned
participation,
I
wrote
it
down
participation.
Yes,
that's
what
we've
had
happening
so
the
meeting
two
weeks
ago.
We
had
participation
from
citizens
who
came
because
there
was
a
group
of
other
citizens
who
shared
the
information
about
what
was
going
on.
They
came
because
other
people
told
them
what
was
happening.
The
city
didn't
tell
them
what
was
happening.
R
R
It's
about
transparency,
it's
about
being
open
with
our
citizens,
it's
about
being
respectful
to
the
people
who
live
in
this
area
and
will
be
impacted.
It's
great.
We
talk
about
businesses
needing
more
customers,
but
311
apartment
buildings
isn't
going
to
make
or
break
a
restaurant
or
a
store
when
you
have
15
000
people
and
sixty
five
thousand
people
driving
by
sounds
like
we
need
a
newspaper,
not
three
hundred
apartments,
to
make
sure
that
oldsmar
is
seen
and
and
has
customers
coming
to
take
care
of
our
business
community.
R
So
you
know
the
citizens
requested
this
town
hall
meeting.
They
wanted
it
on
the
front
end
of
the
process
not
later
on
down
the
process,
but
but
we've
been
told,
no,
that
we're
not
going
to
have
this
town
meeting
and-
and
I
watched
the
older
residents
come
two
weeks
ago
and
say
I
just
found
out
about
this-
I
don't
like
it.
I
saw
parents
come
and
say
I'm
really
concerned
about
traffic
and
safety,
and
they
were
told
by
a
combination
of
the
people
who
were
here
that
they
were
too
late.
R
They
were
misinformed,
they
were
anti-progress
and
not
in
the
no.
It
seems
like
they
were
gaslighted
into
believing
that
all
of
this
has
been
going
on
for
decades
and
that
they
just
simply
hadn't
been
to
enough
meetings.
Well,
this
particular
project
walked
in
the
door.
On
february
11
2021
there
were
four
new
proposals:
brand
new
proposals
at
a
workshop
called
economic
development.
R
R
At
the
end
of
that
meeting,
I
asked
council
member
saraki
what
happened,
and
I
was
told
that
the
item
had
been
moved
to
a
may
25th
workshop.
I
attended
that
workshop
that
was
held
at
the
tampa.
Armature
works
in
a
restaurant
away.
From
these
cameras
I
was
the
only
citizen
there
to
witness
the
conversation
that
happened
at
that
meeting.
Citizens
couldn't
know
what
was
talked
about
because
the
minutes
were
not
submitted
to
the
city
council
until
july
20th,
one
week
after
the
planning
board
meeting.
R
So
fellow
citizens,
if
you're
out
there
watching,
if
you
have
not
done
this
kind
of
digging,
you
indeed
did
not
know
the
details.
Are
the
plans
surrounding
this
newly
proposed
five-story
apartment
building
that
surrounds
850
car
parking
garage?
You
were
not
invited
to
discuss
the
increase
of
the
density.
You
were
not
told
how
this
plan
differs
from
the
2019
plan
to
say
this
is
just
about
density
for
density's
sake.
Let
me
assure
you
that
at
the
workshop,
they
were
holding
a
handout
with
woodfield
information
and
they
were
strategizing.
The
density
increase.
R
The
citizens
did
come
out
at
the
last
meeting
and
they
asked
important
questions.
It
was
disheartening
how
they
were
treated
so
citizens
have
signed
a
petition.
They
are
commenting
on
next
door,
they
are
talking
to
neighbors,
but
this
is
not
how
we
move
forward
with
radical
transformation
to
this
downtown
area,
which
is
a
cra
it's
different
than
the
land
where
they
built
the
apartments
on
pine.
This
isn't
about
apartments.
This
is
about
a
downtown
plan,
the
future
and
what
that
looks
like
the
vision
for
this
whole
downtown
area.
R
I
do
want
to
say
I
really
expected
that
this
council
would
postpone
the
proceedings
to
allow
the
citizens
to
be
heard
before
it
goes
any
further.
The
people
who
came
two
weeks
ago
didn't
even
get
an
apology
for
the
fact
that
the
city
hadn't
been
proactive
to
tell
them
about
this.
They
got
lectures
and
excuses
and
I
think
oldsmar
deserves
better.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
Good
evening,
sherry
clark,
501
pine
avenue
south,
I
just
want
to
say
happy
birthday
to
ann
and
a
real
quick
thing.
I
want
to
thank
the
city
staff,
the
mayor,
the
council,
all
of
you,
because
this
is
an
incredible
project
that
is
on
all
of
your
shoulders,
and
I
also
want
to
say
how
discouraged
I
am
at
some
of
the
backlash.
I
would
call
it.
I
love
that
people
are
coming
up
and
expressing
their
opinions.
Everybody's
opinion
counts.
That's
what
makes
our
city
so
great.
H
S
S
I've
spent
countless
hundreds
of
hours
working
with
the
city
on
various
workshops
and
hearings
and
public
events,
and
after
hearing
the
past
couple
weeks,
I
I
don't
think
we
could
come
to
an
agreement
if
we
had
79
more
public
hearings
about
this
project,
because
I've
been
to,
I
think,
every
single
one,
if
not
the
certainly
the
majority
of
them,
and
they
all
revolve
around
the
same
thing.
S
What
do
we
want
as
a
city
and
we've
collected
this
input
through
countless
events,
all
public
all
publicized,
and
if
you
weren't
paying
attention,
you
would
have
missed
them.
But
if
you
were
involved
in
your
city,
you
couldn't
have
missed
them.
S
It's
been
at
the
library,
it's
been
city
hall,
it's
been
armature
works,
you
name,
it
have
been
everywhere,
but
they're
always
available
for
you
to
see.
So.
Having
said
that,
I
think
having
79
more
public
hearings
on
this
will
move
us
no
further
than
we
are
today.
S
S
Besides,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
architecture
and
the
community
building
of
this
project
is
the
highest
caliber
that
I
can
possibly
force
without
any
authority,
because
I
have
none,
but
I
certainly
can
offer
my
opinions
and
my
experience,
and
that
is
what
I've
done
with
the
woodfield
project.
Ironically,
the
density,
the
park,
the
mixed
use,
the
parking
garage
all
of
those
items,
every
single
one
of
the
items
is
a
result
of
public
input.
I
did
not
the
plan
that
I
created
on
my
own
by
myself.
S
S
Based
on
the
fact
they
missed
some
of
the
things
that
we
put
on
our
original
plan,
so
they've
constantly
come
back
and
come
back
to
revise
and
revise
it
at
economic
peril
to
them
to
them
the
things
that
we've
asked
for
cost
money:
they
don't
save
them
any
money,
so,
unfortunately,
we're
at
a
point
now
where
we
have
to
make
a
decision,
and
I
hope
you
will
agree
that
this
is
what
you
said.
You
want
both
the
ones
that
are
in
council
now
and
the
ones
that
have
spoken
for
this
project.
S
I've
worked
really
hard
on
this
and
I'll
continue
to
work
hard
on
it.
Whatever
the
result
is
my
my
goal
doesn't
change
and
that
is
to
make
sure
that
the
project
is
successful.
Whatever
is
there,
I
just
remind
you
what
you
guys
see
today
is
what
you
asked
for,
and
this
by
the
way,
when
I
say
you
I'm
referring
to
community
citizens
council,
that
is
all
thank
you.
F
Thank
you.
This
time
the
chair
will
close
the
public
hearing.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve.
C
Demotion
thank
you
mayor.
If
you'll
give
me
just
a
moment,
I've
taken
a
lot
of
notes
here
from
some
of
the
citizens
open
forum.
I'm
sorry
the
public
hearing
here
and
I
heard
actually
a
lot
of
really
good
ideas
of
different
ways
that
we
can
continue
to
communicate
better
with
our
residents.
C
I
really
appreciated
some
of
the
ideas
for
text
messaging.
I'm
glad
we
have
your
number
and
I
think
the
city
has
done
a
better
job
recently
of
putting
some
more
information
out
there.
I
really
appreciate
the
downtown
oldsmar.com
website,
which
provided
a
lot
of
answers
to
questions
that
have
been
circulating
online,
as
well
as
the
presentation
tonight
that
was
updated
to
address
some
of
those
questions
as
well.
C
I
think
there
was
a
definite
misunderstanding
at
the
last
meeting
as
to
what
was
actually
happening,
and
I
I
still
think
that
persists
a
little
bit
tonight.
I
brought
with
me
my
little
cheat
sheet:
the
oldsmar
land
development
code,
section
14.7.
This
is
our
development
agreement
process.
Just
on
a
bigger
font,
because
I
can't
see
the
teeny
font-
and
I
can't
bring
that
book
with
me
everywhere-
like
tom-
does,
but
it's
actually
steps
one
through
23
and
the
step
that
we're
on
is
step
four
to
be
clear.
C
C
So
I'm
a
lawyer,
as
you
all
know,
and
it's
important
to
me
that
we
follow
the
process
that
has
been
put
in
place.
I
didn't
put
this
in
place
by
the
way
councils.
Many
many
before
me
put
this
development
agreement
process
in
place.
C
The
december
1st
agreement
of
december
1st
meeting
the
january
1st
meeting
and
the
february
11th
meeting
when
the
woodfield
proposal
was
discussed,
I
have,
as
I
mentioned,
to
our
city
staff
lots
of
questions
when
we
get
that
final
development
agreement.
I
have
questions
about
traffic.
I
have
questions
about
water.
I
have
lots
of
questions
that
will
be
answered
in
that
process.
Here's
the
problem,
though,
if
we
don't
make
the
legal
framework
will
never
get
the
answers
to
those
questions,
because
it's
not
feasible.
C
Now,
I'm
not
saying
that
this
is
the.
You
know,
perfect
development
that
I
want.
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
it,
but
if
we
don't
change
the
framework
for
a
potential
development,
as
we've
seen
over
many
many
years,
we
can't
support
any
of
those
prior
proposals.
All
those
ones
that
were
in
tatiana's
presentation
would
have
required
a
density
change
and
our
process
is
what
we're
following.
I
believe
it
has
not
changed
in
the
past
20
years.
I
believe
we
have
continued
to
follow
that
same
process,
for
example
the
university
of
south
florida
plan.
C
I
wanted
to
bring
up
because
there
were
some
great
presentations
by
ginger.
She
brought
up
a
bunch
of
different
studies.
You
know
we
had
usf
come
in
here
and,
and
they
gave
us
a
mixed-use
plan
that
potentially
was
feasible.
Stantec
came
in
later
refined
it
a
little
bit
to
make
it
actually
feasible,
and
then
we
gave
it
to
cbre.
C
If
you
remember
this
was
before
I
was
on
council,
but
we
gave
it
to
cbre
the
largest
real
estate
marketing
company
in
the
united
states,
and
we
took
that
design
that
we
all
loved-
I
I
loved
it
as
well,
and
they
sent
it
out
to
4
000
investors
and
developers,
for
I
think
the
agreement
was
for
a
year
exclusivity
for
them
to
try
to
market
it
for
a
year,
and
what
did
we
get?
We
got
zero,
a
goose
egg,
nothing.
C
This
is
not
a
silver
bullet
solution.
What
I'm
saying
is
there's
a
reason
that
the
framework
has
not
favored
any
potential
development,
and
I
view
this
as
a
change
to
that
framework.
A
couple
other
things.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
some
some
issues.
I
do
believe
that
we
have
a
lot
of
little
things.
Working
together
and
vertically
integrated
mixed
use
does
make
sense
for
this
area.
C
I
wanted
to
also
thank
tatiana
for
providing
the
explanation
that
this
particular
density
intensity
bonus
is
for
a
very
specific
type
of
development,
which
is
vertically
integrated
mixed
use
in
a
single
building
within
the
tccr
on
property
that
is
under
a
development
agreement
with
the
city
which
limits
it
down
very
small
to
this
potential
area.
This
potential
downtown
that
we
can
have.
I
would
love
to
pass
the
sales
tax.
Would
you
love
the
sales
tax?
I
mean
if
the
city
of
oldsmar
could
pass
the
sales
tax?
That
would
be
awesome,
but
we
cannot.
C
The
city
is
not
vested
with
taxing
power
by
the
florida
legislature.
So
that's
not
something
that
we
can
do.
We
can,
as
mayor
beaverlin
alluded
to,
we
can
make
good
investments
which
the
city
has
done
over
the
years.
The
city
has
made
wonderful
investments
in
property,
and
I
believe
that
this
property
was
always
intended
to
be
a
downtown
not
to
be
a
park,
and
I
do
believe
all
of
the.
C
I
will
look
at
them
again,
but
I
believe
all
of
those
prior
proposals
were
all
mixed
use
there,
weren't
any
that
were
for
a
park
for
this
area.
There
weren't,
you
know
the
usf
students
came
in
and
they
you
know
proposed
some
on
park
boulevard
a
linear
park
for
that
area,
because
that's
an
appropriate
use
for
the
tccn
and
and
moving
outward
as
as
we
buffer
away
from
the
tccr
downtown
area
and
and
that's
important
to
me,
because
you
know
they
were
considering
things
like.
C
I
am
considering
right
now,
which
are
those
residents
on
lee
and
washington
and
dartmouth
and
buckingham
like
all
of
those
streets
in
that
downtown
area,
and
I'm
looking
up
and
I'm
seeing
okay.
Well,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
create
a
buffer
to
tampa
road
because
that's
what
the
tccr
is
for.
It
is
a
buffer
to
the
cra
downtown
uses
as
it
expands
away
from
the
downtown.
C
That's
what
tccr
tccn
and
then
it
backs
out
and
out
and
less
intense
uses,
as
tatiana
showed
in
that
presentation,
with
the
parks
on
one
side
and
then
developing
all
the
way
down
to
an
urban
center
which
we
don't
have.
This
is
our
most
dense
area.
It
was
designed
for
the
most
dense
area.
It
was
always
designed
to
be
that
way.
C
C
I
loved
the
idea
of
shaded
walk
areas,
art
projects,
I
think
the
that,
for
this
particular
plan
council
member,
linda
norris,
might
might
kill
us
if
we
don't
include
a
public
art
element-
and
I
know
that's
already
been
discussed-
that's
very
important
to
me,
because
this
is
a
place
where
I
want
to
be
able
to
walk
from
lafayette
as
mayor
beaverland
mentioned
down
state
street
and
all
the
way
down
to
a
downtown
that
maybe
we
can
block
off
with
bollards
and
have
festivals
and
have
an
enjoyable
area
because,
as
was
mentioned,
this
isn't
just
for
the
downtown.
C
This
is
for
all
of
oldsmar.
You
know
it's
important
to
me
that
we
consider,
as
was
mentioned,
both
the
impact
to
the
downtown
area,
the
impact
to
others,
but
also
the
benefit
to
the
downtown
area
and
the
benefit
to
others.
I'll
tell
you
I
would.
I
would
love
to
see
a
beautiful
downtown
that
raises
the
property
values
for
all
of
the
homes
in
the
surrounding
downtown
area.
The
cra,
that's
why
it
became
a
cra
because
it
needed
this
boost.
It
needed
a
downtown,
a
walkable
area.
C
I
C
You
know,
and
that
would
be
fantastic,
but
a
lot
of
people
might
not
realize
that
to
to
have
a
trader
joe's
or
similar
retail
establishments.
You
have
to
meet
certain
criteria.
They
won't
even
consider
a
site
plan,
so
trader
joe's,
for
example,
requires
a
median
income
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more
per
household
because
they
need
that
to
support
it,
and
so
you
know
I
love
ideas,
but
I
also
love
in
informed
ideas
more.
C
I
believe
that
our
city
staff
has
done
an
excellent
job
of
balancing
the
most
intense
density,
most
intensity
and
density,
which
the
county-wide
rules
allow
and
what
we
have
right
now
and
we
actually
are
meeting
in
the
middle.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
talked
about,
you
know,
meeting
in
the
middle,
and
I
don't
really
want
to
go
at
this
time.
I
don't
think
there's
a
need
at
this
time
to
go
to
the
maximum
county-wide
allowable
rules
for
our
activity
center.
C
I
think
it
does
make
sense
to
take
a
stepped
approach
which
we
have
done
for
density
intensity.
Last
december,
at
the
council
meeting
we
had
a
potential
hotel
development
before
they
backed
out
due
to
covet,
and
there
was
a
resolution
on
that
agenda
to
increase
the
density
for
transient
accommodations
from
80
to
101
units
for
a
potential
hotel.
C
It
was
approved
by
all
of
us
every
one
of
us
sitting
up
here,
except
for
steve,
but
you
know,
and
and
there
wasn't
there
wasn't
this-
this
kind
of
issue
that
we're
having
with
the
misinformation
out
there.
I
very
much
dispute
the
term
reckless
and
dangerous
this
agreement,
or
this
development
agreement
process
is
extremely
onerous
and
very
difficult
to
navigate
for
developers
for
our
city
staff,
and
it's
supposed
to
be
it's
supposed
government.
C
I
don't
know
if
anybody
knows
but
government
goes
slow,
it's
meant
to
go
slow
so
that
we
have
the
opportunity
for
public
input
and
so
that
everything
is
transparent.
Like
I
mentioned,
we
are
on
step
four
of
this,
and
so
there
are
many
opportunities
to
do
exactly
what
I
want
and
what
I've
heard
a
lot
of
our
citizens
want,
which
is
to
have
you
know,
town
hall
meetings
to
discuss.
You
know
what
do
you
want
to
see
there?
I've
got
some
ideas
for
things.
I
don't
want
to
see
there.
You
know
more
medical
space.
C
C
C
C
And
the
public
y'all,
I'm
so
glad
you
came
out
tonight,
I'm
glad
you
came
to
the
prior
meeting,
I'm
glad
you're
emailing
me
and
calling
me
it's
fantastic.
I've
never
heard
from
so
many
people
before
this
is
wonderful
to
get
everyone's
involvement,
because
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
opportunities
for
involvement,
we've
literally
only
barely
just
begun
this
process.
C
This
is
this
is
great
to
have
you
here
to
hear
your
opinions
on
both
sides.
I
appreciate
all
of
you
taking
the
time
out
of
your
night.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
night
so
far.
I
know
we
still
have
a
lot
left
to
do,
but
you
know
I
want
to
be
clear
on
a
little
bit
of
the
timeline
you
know,
november
3rd
was
when
we
received
the
letter
of
intent
from
woodfield
and
december
was
when
we
had
the
potential
density
increase.
Remember
for
the
hotel
that
was
the
night
of
the
christmas
tree
lighting.
C
Then
we
all
came
back
over
here
at
the
january
first
meeting
the
woodfield
proposal,
along
with
the
prior
proposals
from
df
mar
simone
commonwealth
and
prime,
were
discussed.
Pam
you
were
there.
You
spoke
at
that
meeting
and
ultimately
the
city
manager
reported
the
commonwealth.
The
second
rank
was
no
longer
interested
after
some
very
honestly,
shady
dealings
with
simone
that
I
voted
twice
alone
to
back
out
of
because
things
weren't
moving
along
and
we
weren't
getting
where
we
wanted
to
be
and
make
no
mistake.
C
I
will
do
the
same
thing
again
if
we're
not
getting
to
where
we
need
to
be
so.
Ultimately,
you
know,
commonwealth
was
no
longer
interested
prime
still
wanted
us
to
consider
their
proposal.
So
remember,
february
11th
we
had
the
work
session,
steve
was
there
pam?
You
were
there.
It
was
before
we
had
the
election
and
everything
john.
You
were
there
with
the
library,
still
awake,
the
library
property
proposal,
and
you
know
we
looked
at
prime
again.
You
know
I
don't
really
want
to
move
city
hall,
but
you
know
that
was
on
the
table.
C
We
had
a
great
presentation
from
the
russian
abused
group
and-
and
I
remember
woodfield-
coming
and
showing
us
some
of
their
proposals.
So
consideration
of
that
proposal
and
the
concept
plan
submitted
by
prime
we're
back
on
the
agenda
march,
2nd
2021.
I
went
back
and
watched
the
youtube.
It
was
the
same
powerpoint
presentation
that
I
brought
to
the
last
meeting.
I
think
dan,
you
brought
it
to
the
big,
the
big
presentation
and
no
comments
were
made
about
the
proposal
pam.
C
You
were
there
that
night
and-
and
we
rejected
prime
that
night,
because
nobody
wanted
to
move
city
hall
and
consider
some
of
these
other
other
things.
We
were
more
interested
in
building
the
walkable
downtown,
with
the
vertically
integrated
mixed
use,
which
was
what
woodfield
had
proposed
so
march
16th.
It
came
up
again
and
council
actually
received
helpful
input
from
citizens
regarding
the
park
area
on
the
city
hall
side.
That's
when
john
added
some
just
on
his
own
time
pro
bono
as
we
call
it
in
the
legal
world.
C
He
submitted
some
proposals
to
kind
of
edge
out
a
little
more
park
area.
I
believe
you
sought
some
input
on
social
media
as
well
and
pam
you
were
there.
We
talked
about
the
leisure
services
advisory
board
and
the
council
discussed
the
setback
for
the
power
lines
and
we
all
kind
of
agreed
that
additional
retail
space
for
our
residents
was
was
necessary
for
them
to
enjoy.
And
actually,
if
you
go
back
and
watch
it,
which
I
did
because
I'm
an
insane
person
density
was
discussed
then
as
well.
So
this
was
always
something
that
we
contemplated.
C
So
at
the
council
meeting
on
april
20th,
we
we
scheduled
the
annual
planning
meeting
at
armatureworks,
and
I
recall
mentioning
that
I
was
actually
the
one
pam
who
told
you
about
remember.
We
were
standing
in
the
back
and
told
you
about
coming
to
armatureworks,
and
we
did
have
a
review
at
the
armatureworks
session
at
the
council
planning
conference,
which
is
really
an
opportunity
for
our
city
staff
to
kind
of
give
us
a
state
of
the
union
on
all
the
council
priorities.
One
of
the
council
priorities
is
building
out
the
old
smart
sports
complex.
C
One
of
them
is
also
building
a
downtown,
so
we
got
updates
on
all
those
things
and
some
people
mention
that
tonight
and
we
discussed
the
timeline
of
items
that
would
be
required,
the
legal
documents
and
the
development
agreement-
and
you
know
I
I
wanted
to
note
this.
This
is
a
little
self-serving,
but
at
that
meeting
the
minutes
reflect
gannon
stated
council
wanted
to
make
sure
there
is
opportunity
for
public
input.
F
C
It's
difficult
to
balance
everyone's
desires.
I
do,
though,
ultimately
come
down
on
the
side
of
continuing
the
conversation.
I
believe
that
this
is
a
very
limited
change
in
order
to
entertain
not
only
the
woodfield
proposal,
but
any
proposal
that
includes
mixed
use
vertically
integrated
development,
which
has
always
been
considered
by
this
council
and
every
council
before
it.
When
we
made
the
cra,
I
do
want
to
have
town
hall
meetings
charrettes,
whatever
you
want
to
call
them,
and
I
will
sit
here
all
night.
C
We
can
have
them
over
in
tico
hall
if
it's
covered,
we'll
put
everybody
on
zoom
whatever
you
want
to
do,
I'm
here
for
it,
and
I
want
to
hear
from
all
of
you-
and
I
appreciate
it,
but
I
do
want
to
continue
this
conversation.
I
want
to
change
the
density.
I
want
to
see
what
woodfield
comes
with,
and
I
want
to
see
what
anybody
else
comes
with,
because
that's
part
of
this
process
too.
C
B
Vice
mayor,
thank
you,
mayor
just
to
piggyback
a
little
bit
as
far
as
the
timeline
goes
relative
to
the
sequencing
of
this
density
change
taking
place
as
it
stands
right
now.
I
guess
kind
of
the
last
update
prior
to
us
losing
a
meeting
with
all
the
other
votes
that
have
to
take
place.
B
So
it's
by
no
means
going
to
happen
overnight
in
terms
of
strictly
the
density
change,
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
you
know
this
developer.
That
has
a
proposal
under
consideration.
Right
now,
probably
won't
do
any
more
work
until
that
change
takes
effect,
which
means
there's
probably
a
lot
of
other
time
that
has
to
surpass
prior
to
us,
seeing
a
proposal
and
thus,
then
any
shovels
being
sank
into
the
ground.
B
I
think,
based
on
how
a
vote
could
potentially
go
tonight,
it
could
in
effect,
kill
the
plan
as
it
currently
stands,
and
there
wouldn't
be
any
further
discussion
there
wouldn't
be
any
investigation
of
traffic.
Any
of
these
other
impacts
it
would
just
go
away
like
many
of
the
other
plans
have
gone.
B
So
I
think
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind
moving
forward
as
councilmember
gannon
mentioned,
there
are
still
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
surrounding
it,
but
we
aren't
here
to
have
those
questions
asked
or
answered
tonight,
so
we
will
save
that
for
another
time
and,
finally,
I
think
some
of
what
has
been
brought
up
and
is
a
kind
of
common
theme
amongst
everybody
that
is
in
favor
of
something
happening,
is
that
we
need
a
catalyst.
B
B
Another
thing
that
I've
been
hearing
in
reading
through
various
emails,
we've
gotten
or
through
social
media,
which
I
fully
agree,
and
it's
also
not
necessarily
what
we're
voting
on
tonight
is.
You
know
we're
talking
about
downtown
and
the
district
that
we're
considering
this
density
increase
for
represents
a
fair
part
of
it,
there's,
obviously
the
other
side
of
state
street.
B
That's
not
part
of
this
density
increase
and
I
think
we
still
kind
of
lack
an
overall
vision
of
what
what
we
want
to
see
the
whole
downtown
to
be
not
just
one
district
we've
got
more
to
think
about.
So
that's
something.
I'd
like
the
council
to
keep
in
mind
moving
forward
is
how
we
can
start
to
tackle
that
as
well,
because
there
there
are
some
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
there.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
because
I
think
that's
important,
it's
definitely
what
I'm
hearing
from
people
it's
what
I
feel
too,
you
know
it's
that
project
is,
is
one
portion
of
what
could
be
a
lot
more
for
our
city
and
that's
that's
what
I
think,
ultimately,
everybody's
really
going
to
appreciate
from
the
work
that
gets
done
now
to
you
know
five
or
ten
years
down
the
road.
That's
where
we're
really
going
to
see
the
fruits
of
our
labor.
So
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
ma'am.
Thank
you.
Councilman
soraki,.
D
D
One
suggestion
I
would
like,
if
possible,
before
the
council
meeting,
if
we
could
get
those
updates,
so
I
I
like
to
educate
myself
and
read
a
little
bit
before
the
before
the
meeting.
So
that
was
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention,
and
then
I
wanted
to
mention
something
that
jim
ronnicker
he
he's
not
here.
I
guess
he
left.
D
He
mentioned
back
in
97.
I
built
my
home
the
same
time
that
jim
built
his
and
he's
right.
There
was
nothing
to
do
here.
I
used
to
drive
all
the
way
to
largo,
took
me
45
minutes
to
drive
there
and
45
minutes
home
there's
no
place
to
eat
here.
The
only
place
we
had
was
cody's
that
was
hillsborough
county.
D
D
D
Other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
mayor.
Beavis
brought
up
the
part
about
my
presentation
last
where
I
explained
last
meeting
and
doug
you're
right.
The
city-owned
property
is
what
I
would
like
to
see
develop.
D
D
I
was
here
when
the
college
did
their
presentation,
so
I
want
to
see
a
downtown
to
the
council.
I
want
to
see
a
downtown.
I
want
you
guys
to
know
that
I
just
don't
like
the
idea
of
the
density
change
outside
of
the
city-owned
property
and
I
want
to
talk
about
the
people
now.
What
I
heard
today
is
that
people
want
to
have
a
town
hall
meeting.
I
don't
know
why
we
just
can't
have
a
tunnel
meeting.
D
D
D
D
H
Right
so
the
the
next
stop
for
this,
because
it's
a
change
in
the
comprehensive
plan
is
that
it
goes
to
the
pinellas
advisory,
the
planners
advisory
council
for
for
pinellas,
for
the
committee
then
forward
pinellas,
then
the
bocc,
and
then
it
has
to
go
through
the
state.
So
it
goes
to
state
deo
and
they
open
it
for
for
comment
period
at
that
point
and
then
after
we
get
approved
through
all
that,
it
comes
back
here
for
the
second
reading.
H
We
really
don't
know
we're
looking
at
expedited
reviews,
we're
looking
at
maybe
running
to
deo,
concurrently
with
the
forward
pinellas
and
the
bocc
process.
We're
we're.
We
just
don't
know
at
this
point.
D
And
then
last
I
it's
just
a
suggestion
to
the
council.
Just
since
she
mentioned
that
felicia
just
mentioned
it
might
take
some
time.
We
might
want
to
consider
that
put
an
unattended
agenda.
Maybe
one
meeting
we'll
talk
about
it,
but
maybe
have
a
town
meeting
with
the
people.
Let
them
talk,
let
the
city
do
a
presentation.
So
everyone
understands
this
density.
E
E
Of
that
I
think
everybody's
points
have
been
made.
I
don't
think
there
was
any
positions
that
had
changed
from
two
weeks
ago.
Till
now.
E
I've
always
understood
that
the
density
question
was
going
to
be
presented
had
if
I
was
elected
to
council
was
going
to
be
one
of
the
first
things.
It
was
actually
one
of
the
first
things
I
asked
felicia
about,
because
I
was
on
the
ford
pinellas
citizen's
advisory
committee,
and
I
needed
to
understand
it
because
it
was
on
one
of
our
agendas
and
had
I
been
asked
about
it,
I
needed
to
know
what
was
going
on.
E
So,
as
I
was
learning
to
do
this
job
and
after
I
was
elected,
I
was
surprised
by
the
pushback
I
was
getting
about
the
density.
I
tried
my
best
to
explain
it
all
the
way
through.
However,
what
we're
voting
on
tonight
is
the
ordinance
that
tom
drafted
and
then
is
going
to
go
through
more
processes.
So
what
I've
tried
to
do,
even
though
everybody's
trying
to
get
to
the
finish
line,
is
just
focus
on
the
vote
as
to
the
density
other
than
that
mayor
and
in
the
interest
of
time.
That's
all
I
have.
F
Thank
you,
sir
all
right.
Well,
I
do
have
a
few
items
I'm
going
to
try
to
condense
them
down.
As
I
check
off
some
of
the
points
that
have
been
made,
there
is
a
couple
of
things
before
we
get
to
really
the
discussion
at
hand,
just
some
comments
that
I
heard
tonight
that
I
think
it's
worth
commenting
on.
For
clarity's
sake,
okay
and
I
appreciate
everyone
coming
out-
I
wasn't
very
surprised
by
what
I
heard
tonight.
I
think
we
got
a
good
flavor
of
feedback
at
the
last
meeting.
F
F
I
want
to
explain
a
couple
things
because
I've
heard
it
from
a
couple
people
now,
and
that
is
the
process
on
which
we
go
through
on
the
very
front
end
right
on
city-owned
land
on
city
o-land,
the
what
we
do
is
anybody
can
send
a
letter
to
say,
or
they
normally
make
a
phone
call
and
say
hey.
I
know
the
city
owns
this
land
is
there,
you
know,
I
have
an
appetite
to
do
this
with
it
or
that
with
it
and
generally
what
we
say.
F
I
mean
we
try
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
information
or
you
know,
get
more
questions
whatever
the
case
might
be,
and
then
we
tell
them
so
that
we
as
council
members
step
out
of
it.
We
tell
them
what
you
need
to
do
is
you
need
to
send
a
letter
to
the
city
manager
and
express
your
interest
in
that
land?
It's
a
letter
of
interest.
F
So
if
you've
heard
that
term
used,
that
is
the
very
beginning
point
of
communications,
it
means
someone
serious
enough
to
send
something
and
they
generally,
we
encourage
them,
send
some
kind
of
you
know
rough
draft
of
a
concept
plan
or
something
along
that
lines
so
that
it
it
provides
more
information,
the
city
manager-
and
this
is
really
intended
as
a
check
and
balance.
It
goes
directly
to
the
city
manager.
F
The
city
manager
then
brings
it
if
we
don't
have
a
signed
agreement
with
someone.
This
process
could
go
on
to
the
day
before
we
have
a
signed
agreement
with
someone.
Okay,
so
the
city
manager
takes
that
letter
of
interest
comes
to.
The
council
shows
us
it's
a
it's
an
agenda
item,
it's
put
out
with
our
advertised
agenda
and
it's
the
very
beginning
where
we
look
at
it
and
we
say:
yeah
I'd
be
interested
in
that
that
looks
good.
It
might
be
something
of
interest.
F
Go,
negotiate,
details
on
what
that
would
look
like.
That
does
not
say
we're
agreeing
to
it,
because
the
odds
are
he's
not
going
to
have
the
information
of
what
it
really
is,
yet
a
cost
density
what's
being
prepared
and
all
that
that's
the
process.
So
when
you
hear
that's,
what's
happened,
that's
how
the
ball
gets
rolling
and
it's
not
really
any
different
than
any
other
city.
F
You
have
to
start
somewhere,
so
he
might
be
discussing
and
I'll
use
woodfield
as
an
example
and
in
the
meantime,
someone
else,
pops
up
and
says:
hey,
I'm
interested
in
that
same
land.
Once
again,
they
send
a
letter
of
interest.
A
concept
why?
Because
we
have
no
deal
with
woodfield,
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
anybody,
and
this
is
where
we
for
lack
of
better
word.
F
You
know
we
keep
the
the
the
shopping
of
the
the
city-owned
property
open
and
right
up
until
the
last
minute,
so
that,
frankly,
we
hope
there's
more
so
it
creates
leverage
right.
You
know
I
I
will
adamantly
disagree
with
those
who
said
like
we
jumped
on
the
first
proposal.
We
purposely
killed
proposals
because
they
were
not
good
ones.
I
mean
they,
one
was
horrible
financially,
yes,
one
was
nowhere
near
what
we
had
come
up
with
on
the
concept
plan
and
for
a
point
of
reference.
F
When
you
hear
someone
talk
about
the
2019,
they
really
like
that
plan
that
the
city
did.
That
kind
of
makes
me
proud,
because
it
was
his
council
that
we
got
together
and
made
that
plan
we
went
through.
We
have
we
had
workshops
we
cut
out,
like
you
know
like,
and
that
information
came
from
people
saying
I
want
some
mixed
use.
Well,
I
don't
know
that
they
use
the
term
mixed
use.
Everybody
was
worried
about
parking
right.
Why?
F
Because
the
people
who
live
right
here,
if
we
don't
have
good
parking
here,
it
is
not
fair,
because
people
will
go
illegally
park
in
front
of
their
houses.
We
have
to
have
good
parking
if
we're
going
to
have
a
downtown.
Otherwise,
it's
a
mistake
all
right,
and
so
I
digress.
So
that
is
the
process.
So
when
you
hear
someone
say
well,
the
city
council
told
the
city
manager
yeah
go
negotiate,
that's
that's
what
that
term
is
intended
to
explain
it's
very
early.
F
We
don't
have
a
deal
they're,
not
a
partner
and
frankly,
we
might
say
they
look
like
a
good
partner.
Why?
Because
we
hear
feedback
that
they're
being
easier
to
deal
with
they're,
you
know
they're
they
when
they,
they
don't
show
up
to
a
meeting
and
you
have
to
hand
them
a
pencil
which
was
happened
with
one
of
the
people
right
seriously.
True,
I
mean
you
know
these
are
the
crazy
things
that
we've
been
dealing
with
and
going
through.
F
So
anyhow,
that's
the
process
and
I'm
going
to
say
this.
I
will
always
agree
that
we
can
communicate
what's
going
on
here.
Better
I've
just
got
to
tell
you.
F
We
do
everything
we
possibly
can.
Think
of.
You
know:
we've
gotten
some
good
input.
I
think
that
we've
stepped
up
our
game.
I
love
that
the
the
the
website
the
update
to
it,
because
you
go
to
that
website,
go
to
that
website.
The
information's
accurate
somebody
to
make
a
mistake
on
it.
F
Now
that
we
have
it
put
a
question
in
and
what
they're
doing
with
that
input,
they
are
adding
to
the
frequently
asked
questions:
accurate,
okay,
that
that's
a
good
step
in
my
opinion,
but
I
promise
you
we're
going
to
keep
working
at
it
to
do
more
and
more.
I
love
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
people
out
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
people,
I'm
going
to
say
this
and
I
don't
mean
to
offend
anybody,
I'm
just
being
brutally
honest.
Okay,
because
I've
been
at
this,
the
longest
out
of
anybody
up
here.
F
Here's
the
thing
there's
a
lot
of
people.
I
see
in
this
room,
who've
been
very
active
lately.
I
didn't
know
two
years
ago:
that's
not
a
bad
thing,
that's
a
good
thing
right,
but
the
reason
they
don't
know
all
these
things
because
they
weren't
that
active
two
years
ago.
They
know
them
now
they're
showing
up
so
guess
what
we've
got
a
long
road
ahead
of
us
to
ever
have
a
downtown
now
everyone's
engaged.
So
maybe
it
was
a
little
bloody
getting
here,
but
we're
here
and-
and
you
know-
I
think-
that's
that's
important
right.
F
So
here's
what
I
would
say.
I
think
it's
a
mistake
to
have
a
quote-unquote.
What
was
the
term
you
use?
You
think
we
should
have
agenda
item
and
go
the
problem
with
when
we
have
these
types
of
meetings
for
a
council
member
right.
F
We
invite
people,
we
have
stations
where
people
can
ask
questions
with
somebody
who
can
respond,
who
who
knows
the
facts,
staff
yeah
you
know
and
so
that
that
I
think
becomes
more
productive.
I
will
tell
you
I'm
not
in
favor
of
starting
over
because
we've
done
that
year
after
year
and
these
elements,
while
you
might
not
everyone,
might
not
like
the
way
they're
laid
out
but
they're
the
same
elements
right
that
2019
plan
that
people
liked
that
we
did.
F
Let
me
tell
you
what
they
came
back
with
and
woodfield
was
the
only
one
who
came
back
with
it.
The
others
did
not.
They
came
back
with
these
boxes
and
this
weird
stuff
and
yeah.
There
was
some
pretty
gardens
and
things
like
that.
It
was
not
a
downtown
okay
and,
and
we
shot
all
of
those
down
because
it
wasn't
what
people
wanted
right.
F
If
you
look
at
their
development
plan-
and
I
don't
know
that-
I
I
don't
know
that
I'm
going
to
support
it-
I
don't
know
what
the
financial
terms
are.
Yet
I
mean
we're
we're
like
putting
the
court
car
cart
before
the
horse
right
now,
but
our
that
plan
in
2019
had
a
five-story
parking
garage
that
was
in
that
plan
that
people
have
commented
on
that
they
like
we
have
to
have
a
five-story
parking
garage.
F
We
need
parking,
otherwise
we
have
to
go
to
surface
parking
and
that's
not
a
big
enough
piece
of
property
to
accommodate
it
and
have
anything
left
over
for
a
building
or
a
shop
or
a
rush.
We've
got
to
go
up,
okay
and
we
originally
in
that
plan.
We
had
it
partially
wrapped
with
commercial,
okay,
but
everybody
we
got
feedback
from
not
just
woodfield
said:
don't
put
more
commercial
in
a
brand
new
downtown
without
any
any
density.
It's
going
to
be
a
ghost,
a
ghost
jar
graveyard,
and
so
they
came
back
with
that.
They
include.
F
We
wanted
a
hotel
with
a
boutique
hotel
with
a
rooftop
bar
right.
Why?
Because
we
don't
have
that
product
in
oldsmar
we
don't
have
a
boutique
hotel.
Here
you
talk
to
the
business
community,
talk
to
your
neighbors,
who
have
family
coming
in.
They
want
to
put
them
in
somewhere,
maybe
a
little
nicer
than
what
we
have
availed.
We
don't
have
it
here,
but
you
got
to
send
them
somewhere
else
and
the
rooftop
bar.
Why
is
the
rooftop
bar
rooftop
bar
slash
restaurant,
because
that's
a
local
amenity?
F
It's
something
that
if
you
never
stayed
at
that
hotel,
you
could
still
go
with
your
friends
or
your
family,
and
so
those
amenities
and
some
of
the
smaller
two-story
shops
that
were
in
that
2019
plan.
What
they
did
is
they
put
them
all
together
and
that's
when
they
came
up
with
this
new
style
that,
frankly,
we
need
so
not
to
get
on
the
soapbox,
but
I
wanted
to
answer
some
of
those
things
because
I
think
it's
important.
I
love
all
the
discussion.
F
You
know,
I
think
it's
good,
I'm
glad
everyone's
here
now
so
can
we
move
on
with
that
say
everyone's
here
I
mean
you
know:
let's
have
the
discussion
we'll
get
something
good,
but
there's
going
to
be
compromise
in
it
or
it's
not
going
to
get
done.
I
promise
you
and
let's
talk
about
what
is
on
the
agenda,
and
that
is
increasing
density
now
personally,
to
council,
member
saraki's
concern,
which
I
appreciate
his
concern,
but
there's
zero
chance.
F
I
think
that
beechwood
is
going
to
get
torn
down
and
they're
going
to
put
mixed
use
there,
but
even
if
they
did
you're
forgetting
it
requires
a
development
agreement.
So
there
is
a
process
that
has
to
be
gone
through.
For
that
to
happen,
we
don't
own
that
property,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
kind
of
getting
missed
here.
I
hope
not
as
it
relates
to
having
a
plan
for
city
hall
or
for
downtown.
F
That
is
not
the
downtown.
It
is
the
anchor
of
when
one
end
of
what
is
envisioned,
which
has
always
been
a
vision
of
the
downtown
area
that
walkable
stretch
of
state
street
up
to
the
galleria
and
around
the
corner.
That
has
always
been
envisioned
as
what
they
would
ultimately
be
a
walkable
downtown.
We're
not
trying
to
do
it
all
in
one
night.
F
What
we've
built
here
in
the
past
on
state
street
retail-
it's
all
failed.
It
has
all
failed.
The
60
000
people
on
tampa
road
has
not
helped
it
it
just
hasn't.
I
worry
about
the
development.
That's
over
there
with
the
tap
house.
I
don't
know
how
many
times
you
go
by.
I
always
look
in
whenever
I
go
by
to
see
cars,
because
I
worry
about
them
density.
F
We
need
density.
We
have
to
have
density
to
make
this
work.
We
don't
we're
not
a
safety,
harbor
or
dunedin,
where
we're
redeveloping
a
stretch
of
property
that
was
already
there.
They
have
a
main
street
that
their
traffic
goes
down
main
street.
Ours
goes
down
tampa
road,
and
so
we've
got
the
galleria
down
there.
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
building.
It
has
some
residential,
it
has
nowhere
near
enough
and
stuff
has
died.
There.
F
If
you
want
to
think
about
well
what
if
we
reconfigured
the
property
next
door
to
try
to
capture
more
of
tampa
roads
traffic
at
first
off,
it
would
really
put
a
huge
hole
in
the
concept
of
a
downtown
because
it'd
be
facing
tamparoa.
But
let's
say
you
made
an
opening
there.
First
off,
I
don't
think
f-dot
will
allow
us
to
do
it.
I'd
be
shocked,
but
look
next
door
at
the
shopping
center
next
door.
F
F
F
That
people
see
when
they're
going
by,
maybe
that
makes
it
you
know
where
people
notice
that
we've
had
seven
attempts
at
this.
Maybe
eight,
if
you
count
the
cbre
effort
that
council
member
gannon
mentioned
earlier,
and
I'm
going
to
put
them
in
two
buckets,
because
this
is
the
way
it's
always
worked
right.
F
We've
had
the
one
approach
where
we're
going
to
do
it
ourselves,
we
as
a
city
say
we're
going
to
do
it
ourselves,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
the
truth.
I
was
in
that
camp.
I
was
in
that
camp,
especially
after
the
cbre
experience,
because
I
was
around
when
4
000
people
said
we're
not
interested
and
I'm
like.
Well,
you
know
what
we're
building
a
downtown
ourselves.
F
F
When
you
do
it
yourself,
here's
the
difference
that
infrastructure
that
you
have
to
put
in
in
order
to
parcel
out
and
fill
it
on
your
own
or
even
have
a
leasing
agent
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
We
have
to
pay
for
all
that
the
parking
structure
that
I
am
telling
you
we
don't
have
a
parking
structure.
We
should
not
have
a
downtime,
we
shouldn't,
because
it's
really
going
to
screw
over
the
people
who
live
right
over
here,
that's
a
mistake,
so
we
have
to
pay
for
the
parking
structure.
F
Now
we've
always
said:
well,
we
maybe
have
to
pay
for
the
parking
structure.
Al
and
I
had
these
arguments
all
the
time.
Could
we
afford
a
bond
issue
and,
and
the
city
is
doing
pretty
well,
but
you
know
it
was.
It
was
somewhere
around
12
million
dollars,
and
that
was
a
plain
parking
garage,
not
being
wrapped
ugly
and
so
now
we're
going
to
do
it
ourselves
we're
going
to
pay
for
all
the
parking
garage
we're
going
to
pay
for
all
the
infrastructure,
we're
taking
on
a
lot
of
risk
as
as
taxpayers.
To
do
that?
F
F
It
is
not
zoned
properly.
It
should
have
much
higher
density
so
that
we
can
a
get
people
living
working
and
playing
here
b
so
that
we
don't
take
huge
enormous
risk
for
the
taxpayers
and
c.
And
yes,
I'm
a
money
guy,
I'm
going
to
say
it,
because
if
we
do
it,
it
never
goes
on
the
tax
rolls
if
we
sell
it
with
all
these
conditions.
F
F
We
have
to
change
the
zoning
on
this
property.
I
think
it's
been
our
problem,
our
achilles
heel,
unless
we
want
to
take
on
all
the
risk
and
do
it
ourselves,
which
I
think,
knowing
all
the
economics
to
it,
probably
better
than
most,
I
think,
is
a
huge
mistake
to
make
for
our
taxpayers
any
other
comments.
D
D
D
M
Councilmember
gannon,
yes,
mayor
seidel;
yes,
first,
I'm
sorry.
First
reading
of
ordinance,
21
2021-25
amending
the
comprehensive
crime
passes
with
four
votes.
Four
and
one
against
iraqi
dissenting.
A
This
is
a
public
hearing
for
the
first
reading
of
wardens,
2021-26
amending
the
town
center
development
code
and
the
architectural
design
pattern
book.
I'll
read
that
ordinance
by
title
only
ordinance
2021-26
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
oldsmar
florida
amending
the
town
center
development
code,
amending
section
2.1
to
add
definitions
for
density
intensity,
averaging
and
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
amending
section
3.7.1.
A
F
No
comments,
no
pro
no
presentation.
All
right.
I
will
open
the
public
forum
at
this
time.
Is
anyone
wish
to
speak
sing?
There
is
not.
I
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
form
where
I'm
at
here.
At
this
time,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve.
So
I
have
a
motion.
I
have
a
second
second.
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
discussion.
H
N
F
Thank
you
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
community
minute
and
it's
the
birthday
girl.
M
Your
birthday
all
right
financial
sustainability
series
save
the
date,
thursday
september
16th,
from
6
to
7
virtual
presentation
on
fraud.
Watch
basics
learn
how
to
spot
fraud
before
it
spots
you
register
at
sustainableoldsmar.com
and
then
holiday
closures,
city
facilities,
offices
and
library
will
be
closed.
On
monday
september,
6th,
an
observance
of
the
labor
day
holiday,
normal
business,
will
resume
on
tuesday
september
7th
and
will
be
coming
back
with
a
bang.
F
You
got
that
in
there
birthday
girl
all
right
all
right.
Let's
see
what
you
did
all
right.
Next
item
on
the
agendas
approval
of
additional
new
agenda
items.
We
have
one
item,
item
12
material
entertainment
motion
approved.
I
have
a
motion
to
have
a
second
second,
have
a
motion
and
a
second
discussion
sentient
ready
to
vote
all
in
favor.
Second,
five
by
saying
hi,
hi
hi,
I'm
opposed
motion
passes.
You
have
nothing
under
awards
and
recognition
or
community
redevelopment
agency.
M
Number
one
accept
resignation
of
aaron
pelton
from
the
code
enforcement
board
item
number
two
approved
payment
to
legal
counsel
for
june
2021
legal
services.
Item
number
three
approved
payment
to
legal
counsel
for
july
2021,
legal
services
and
item
number.
Four
approvements
of
the
july
20
2021
council
meeting
is.
F
There
anybody
wishes
to
pull
anything
from
a
decent
docket.
I
do
number
one
number
one.
Anybody
else:
okay,
at
this
time
the
channel
entertainment
motion
to
approve
items
number
two.
Three
and
four:
do
I
have
a
motion
so
moved.
I
have
a
motion
discussion
motion.
Second,
second
motion.
Second
discussion
sent
in
you're
ready
to
vote
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
all
opposed
vice
mayor.
B
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
give
a
thank
you
to
erin
for
her
service.
As
a
former
fellow
board,
member
of
the
code
enforcement
board,
I
know
she
got
a
really
great
new
job
and
was
had
to
expeditiously
move
to
california.
F
E
Yeah
and
tom
and
the
kids
I
was,
I
saw
the
email
during
my
review
on
sunday
morning
at
about
11,
30
or
so,
and
I
didn't
know
aaron
and
her
family
and
tom
had
moved
yet
or
where
I'd
seen
where
they
were
going.
So
I
texted
and
said
oh
you're
moving
well,
thank
you
for
your
service.
You
know
it's
great
getting
to
know
you
blah
blah
blah
and
realized.
E
F
B
F
Opposed
motion
passes
next
item
on
the
agenda
city
of
baltimore.
We
have
no
items
and
we're
back
to
our
city
attorney
for
public
hearing
number
five.
A
Thank
you.
This
is
a
public
hearing
number
five
public
hearing
for
the
second
reading
of
ordaz
2021-21
I'll,
read
that
long
title
ordinance,
2021-21
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
oldsmore
florida,
amending
chapter,
42
parks
and
recreation
of
the
code
of
ordinances
to
replace
the
terms,
parks
and
recreation
with
leisure
services
and
replace
the
word
his
with
the
phrase
his
her
throughout
chapter
42.,
add
definitions
for
drone
model
aircraft
park,
roads
and
special
event.
A
Add
type
of
motor
to
vehicle
definition,
provide
authority,
the
city
manager,
designee
for
any
recreational
park,
transportation
service,
vehicle,
expand
responsibilities
of
park
visitors
and
deleting
certain
prohibited
activities,
delete
responsibility
for
designated
park
department,
employees
to
report,
non-compliance
of
rules,
regulations
and
permits,
update
park
hours
change,
reference
from
canal
park
to
ariel's
park
and
orioles
park
to
oldsmar
sports
complex,
provide
for
posting
of
hours.
They
are
in
and
provide
city
manager,
designee
authority
to
confirm
park
hours
and
or
declare
the
closing
of
any
section
or
part
of
a
park
to
the
public.
A
Update
texts
to
include
current
terms
for
motorized
devices
and
recognize
the
american
with
disabilities
act
provide
for
city
manager
or
designee
approval
for
parking
in
closed
parks,
delete
section
42-91
on
protection.
Preservation
of
wildlife
as
its
terms
are
duplicative
in
another
code.
Section
and
remember.
The
remaining
sections
of
chapter
42.,
update
section
on
animals
and
city
parks
to
reflect
allowable
and
restricted
areas
and
treatment
of
animals,
update
provisions
for
possession
or
discharge
of
toy
firearms.
Fireworks
and
explosives,
add
non-discriminatory
language
and
include
waterways,
adjacent
to
parks
in
connection
with
bathing
swimming
and
waiting
prohibited
activities.
A
Update,
section
42-114
to
include
waterways
within
or
adjacent
to
parks
provide
that
docking
and
mooring
of
facilities
and
parks
will
be
limited
to
non-commercial,
privately
owned
boats
unless
approved
through
a
license.
Agreement
provide
for
the
use
of
fountains
ponds,
lake
streams,
bays
or
any
park
waters,
or
any
waterways
within
or
adjacent
to
any
park
or
tributary
and
prohibit
the
dumping
of
any
substance
or
matter
in
storm
sewers
or
drains
flowing
into
park.
Waters,
update
fishing
requirements
and
include
waterways
within
or
adjacent
to
any
park
change.
A
Title
section
42-116
to
hunting
and
weapons
update
restrictions
for
hunting
and
the
use
of
weapons
on
park
property
provide
the
city
manager.
Designee
may
grant
permission
for
trained
persons
to
remove
dangerous
animals
and
be
notified
of
the
animal's
disposition
and
reference
to
florida
statute
for
regulation
of
firearms,
update
criteria
for
use
of
picnic
and
cooking
areas
on
park,
property,
update
restrictions
for
game
playing
on
park,
property
prohibit
livestock
or
other
farm
animals,
reptiles
or
birds
kept
as
pets
on
park
property,
except
as
authorized
by
the
city
in
connection
with
a
special
event
or
approved
park.
A
Rental
authorize
operation
of
aircraft
on
park
property
only
in
an
emergency
situation
with
permission
of
the
city
manager
or
designee
clarify
language
as
it
relates
to
camping.
Add
a
new
section
to
provide
for
prohibited
activities
in
city
parks.
Add
a
new
section
to
provide
for
special
events
on
city
property,
with
the
approval
of
the
city
manager
requiring
permits
and
insurance
naming
the
city
as
an
additional
insured
and
prohibiting
the
sale
or
consumption
of
alcoholic
beverages.
L
F
F
Q
M
A
Designee,
delete
reference
to
designation
of
no
parking
areas
by
mayor
or
city
council
provide
that
illegally
parked
vehicles
may
be
moved
to
a
place
designated
by
the
city
manager
designee
at
a
25
fine
for
non-electric
vehicles
parked
in
electric
vehicle
charging
spots
and
providing
for
an
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
That
was
the
second
final
reading
board
is
20
21-22
by
title.
Only
I'll
remind
you
that
there
was
a
request
for
change.
We
did
make
that
change.
A
We
in
section
5
of
the
ordinance
sub-paragraph
9
that
was
added
to
reflect
the
parking
of
a
vehicle
within
any
parking
space
specifically
designated
for
changing
for
charging
an
electric
vehicle
without
being
connected
to
a
charging
station
is
a
fine
of
25
dollars.
I
think
that
was
a
request
of
council
member.
F
Vice
president,
yes,
it
was
all
right,
excellent
city
manager,
no
problem,
no
presentation,
all
right,
I'll,
open
the
public
hearing.
Is
there
anybody
from
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
on
this?
Seeing
none
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
it.
This
time
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve,
don't
move.
I
have
a
motion
to
have
a
second
second,
have
a
motion
and
a
second
discussion
attention
you're,
ready
to
vote
real
call.
F
A
Compliance
with
traffic
signal
control
devices
emerging
from
alley
or
driveway
parking,
seizure
notification
to
owner
sale
of
sea's
vehicle
or
motorized
bicycles,
rights
of
owner
prior
to
sale
and
proceeds
from
sale
of
seas,
bicycles
or
motorized
bicycles,
and
providing
for
an
effectiveness
ordinance.
That
was
the
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-23
by
title.
Only
city.
F
Manager,
no
sir,
thank
you
I'll
open
the
public
hearing.
Is
there
anyone
from
the
public?
We
should
speak
on
this.
Seeing
none.
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve.
I
have
a
motion.
I
have
a
second
second
motion
from
the
second
one.
Do
you
want?
I
have
a
motion
from
graber
seconded
by
gammon
discussion,
said
thing:
you're
ready
to
vote
all
in
favor,
say
roll
call,
councilman.
M
A
This
is
a
public
hearing
for
the
first
reading
of
ordinance,
2021-24
I'll,
read
that
by
title
only
ordains
2021-24,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
oldsmore
florida,
mending
section
5.2.1,
outdoor
dining
of
article
5,
supplemental
regulations
of
the
town
center
development
code
of
the
city
of
oldsmore
to
provide
for
outdoor
dining,
using
a
revocable
license
agreement
and
providing
for
an
effective
day.
This
ordinance
that
was
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
2021-24
by
title
online.
F
Thank
you,
city
manager.
No,
sir,
no
staff
presentation
does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
stop
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing?
Anyone
from
the
public
wishes
to
speak
I'll,
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
the
chair,
ontario
motion
approved,
so
I
have
a
motion.
Do
I
have
a
second
second?
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
discussion:
excited
sensing
you're
ready
to
vote
roll
call.
Please.
F
H
E
M
F
E
You
mayor
per
florida
statute,
286.012
a
council
member-
may
not
abstain
from
voting
unless
there
is
or
appears
to
be
a
possible
conflict
of
interest
regarding
agenda
item
11.
The
commitment
for
title
insurance
that
was
included
within
the
agenda
packet
is
written
on
first
american
paper,
I'm
employed
by
first
american.
So
there
is
a
possible
conflict
of
interest.
So
I
am
abstaining
from
tonight's
vote
on
agenda
number.
A
Okay,
item
number
11
is
the
public
hearing
to
prove
the
douglas
road
commercial
plot.
This
is
the
snyder
hearing
and
therefore
I
need
to
swear
in
anyone.
That's
going
to
speak.
Anybody
that's
going
to
speak
on
this
item.
If
you
could
stand
up,
raise
your
right
hand
to
be
sworn
under
oath,
you
swear
the
testimony
about
to
give
is
going
to
be
the
truth.
Old
truth,
nothing,
but
the
truth.
Okay,
tatiana!
Do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
make
your
presentation
on
behalf
of
the
city.
K
We
don't
have
a
formal
presentation
on
this,
so
this
is
just
a
formal
process
that
each
development
has
to
complete
prior
to
issuance
of
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
there
are
multiple
lots
on
that
development,
so
they
all
have
to
be
combined
into
one
parcel.
So
it's
a
consolidation
re-plot,
basically,
so
we're
combining
five
lots
into
one
lot
and
it
has
to
go
through
a
similar
replay
process
so
for
a
retail
facility
that
will
be
the
equipment
for
the
pool,
professional
pool
equipment,
so
retail.
K
The
planning
board
met
on
august
14th
and
they
unanimously
approved,
considering
the
approval
for
the
city
council
to
move
this
replot
of.
A
K
F
F
Time,
I'll
city
manager.
G
F
Did
we
go
through
the
same
public,
public,
okay?
Well,
that
was
the
part
of
it.
Okay,
anyone
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
other
side,
we'll
open
the
public
hearing,
saying
none
I'll
close
the
public
hearing.
At
this
time,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
something.
I
have
a
motion
motion,
a
second
discussion.
A
A
Is
a
public
hearing
to
approve
the
saint
petersburg
drive
commercial
plan?
This
is
also
a
snyder
hearing.
This
was
a
new
agenda
item
added.
Anyone.
That's
going
to
speak
on
this
particular
item
that
has
not
already
been
sworn
in.
Please
stand
up,
raise
right
hand
be
sworn
under
oath.
Do
you
swear
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
going
to
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth,
nothing,
but
the
truth.
K
This
is
a
similar
replat,
so
there
are
four
existing
laws
that
will
have
to
be
combined
into
one
parcel,
and
this
will
be
a
lonson
petersburg
drive
and
for
the
accountant's
office
phase,
one
of
this
building
is
already
almost
completed.
So
again,
this
plot
is
required
prior
to
issuance
of
the
ceo.
K
The
same
vote
as
for
the
prior
one,
so
it
was
five
to
one
unanimously
approved,
recommended
approval
for
the
city
council.
F
All
right
does
the
applicant
wish
to
make
any
okay.
Okay,
any
questions
all
right
at
this
time,
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
is
anybody
from
the
public
who
should
speak
on
this
side.
F
F
F
F
F
All
right
city
manager
get
anything
else.
No!
Thank
you
that's
enough
for
a
night.
I
think
so
you
are
earning
your
money.
Thank
you
all
right,
city
manager,
item
13.,
thank.
G
You
miranda
13's
request,
council
approval
and
authorization
for
the
city
manager
to
execute
change
order
number
one
to
work.
Order
number
seven
from
the
process,
2018-007
rfq
for
ardura
group
incorporated
to
provide
professional
engineering
services
for
the
design
and
construction
services
of
the
wastewater
reclamation
facility
project.
Specifically
the
aeration
system
upgrades
which
we
talked
about
yesterday
in
the
budget
workshop
july,
2020
council
approved
work
order,
number
seven
for
design
and
engineering
services
to
update
the
aeration
system
at
the
wrf.
G
The
original
scope
of
work
consisted
of
upgrading
two
of
the
three
existing
centrifugal
blowers
controls
piping
and
the
associated
air
delivery
system
to
support
the
wastewater
treatment
process.
During
the
course
of
the
design,
it
became
apparent
that
all
three
blowers
would
need
to
be
replaced.
The
third
blower,
although
newer
and
in
serviceable
condition,
has
a
limited
capacity
such
that
it
can
only
be
utilized
during
low
flow
conditions
at
night.
G
Three
upgraded
blowers
of
equal
capacity
will
not
only
allow
match
capacity
for
complete
redundancy,
but
will
also
provide
surplus
blower
capacity
for
potential
future
flow
increases
or
wrf
expansion,
if
required.
The
existing
blower
building
footprint
is
insufficient
for
this
configuration.
However,
the
old
headworks
building
can
be
utilized
for
the
upgrades
with
some
structural
modification
and
the
addition
of
air
conditioning
for
the
electronics
associated
with
the
system.
G
The
consultant
ardura
group
is
under
contract
from
the
aforementioned
rfq,
with
the
city
for
utilities,
general
engineering,
services,
design
bidding
and
construction
services,
for
these
have
been
initiated
through
worker
number.
Seven
of
that
contract,
the
changeover
to
number
one
will
compensate
for
the
additional
engineering
design
for
structural
air
conditioning
and
the
third
blower
upgrades
relocating
the
project
to
a
more
suitable
footprint.
The
change
order
is
a
lump
sum
value
not
to
exceed
forty
five
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty
six
dollars.
Funding
is
available
for
change
of
the
number
one
to
work.
Order
number
seven.
G
F
F
All
right
city
council
item
14
council
comments:
let's
start
with
council
member
graver.
E
Thank
you
mayor
in
terms
of
advisory
board
meetings,
not
much
going
on
through
now
in
the
next
council
meeting,
but
the
code
enforcement
board
is
going
to
meet
thursday
september,
2nd
at
4
00..
I
was
able
to
go
to
second
friday
for
a
little
until
they
canceled
it
for
the
rain.
E
There
were
some
folks
there,
like
jason,
had
mentioned
about
40
or
so
I
just
want
to
say,
there's
a
lot
of
buzz
about
that
event
and
everybody
seems
to
be
really
excited
about
it,
so
it
was
a
bummer
that
we
got
rained
out
because
it
seemed
like
it
was
going
to
clear,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
people.
I
was
talking
to
that
we're
going
so
I'm
really
excited
about
september's
event,
and
one
thing
that
we
all
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
flood
maps
are
changing
august
24th.
E
M
D
D
I
really
enjoyed
my
time
with
andrew
and
katie
at
the
fest.
I'm
sorry
mary,
you
had
to
leave.
I
don't
know
what
happened,
but
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
both
that
I
really
enjoyed
my
time
with
you
and
spending
and
you
got
to
meet
a
lot
of
people.
I
try
to
introduce
you
guys
to
a
lot
of.
You
know
people
from
around
the
state,
and
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
both.
I
thought
you
did
a
wonderful
job
and
I
hope
that
you
get
involved
in
the
suncoast
league
of
cities.
They
would
love
to.
C
Yes,
this
past
weekend
was
the
florida
league
of
cities
conference
in
orlando
lots
of
learning
lots
of
networking
going
on.
I'm
grateful
for
the
the
opportunity
to
attend
on
behalf
of
our
city.
Also
just
it's.
It's
really
hitting
me
hard.
Please
keep
rob
feld
kim
pedifeld
and
sarah
feld
in
your
thoughts.
It's
it
was
tough
to
hear
that
tonight,
horrible
yeah,
so
I
I
really
have
no
other
comments
mayor.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
understandable.
B
Thank
you
mayor
just
a
couple
of
things.
As
was
discussed
at
last
meeting,
I
got
accepted
into
the
next
class
for
leadership
canal,
so
we've
got
retreats
starting
next
friday.
Well,
I'm
pretty
excited
about
that.
Just
took
a
a
leadership
assessment
today
in
preparation
for
that,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
won't
be
able
to
run
an
armadillo
run.
B
Because
of
that
I
did
get
confirmation
there
like
starting
right
first
thing
in
the
morning
on
saturday,
so
I
won't
have
enough
time
unless
I
could
run
really
fast,
but
just
not
happening
and
then
also
just
about
the
flc
conference.
My
first
one
in
person
was
a
really
great
opportunity
to
meet
even
people
locally
from
around
our
area,
just
because
the
lack
of
things
going
on
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
met
several
people
from
pinellas
county
and
then
all
over
the
state
so
really
made
some
great
connections
there.
B
One
was
about
sustainability
and
energy
and
a
really
cool
thing
I
saw
orlando
was
experimenting
with
and
they
have
one
one
of
many
arrays.
They
call
them
a
flowler
array,
a
floating
solar
array
that
they
put
out
in
retention
ponds
and
the
orlando
international
airport
has
one
in
the
shape
of
their
logo.
So.
P
N
B
B
I
went
to
lake
nona
and
rode
on
one
out
there
on
saturday
and
then
the
other
group
that
was
there
was
a
company
called
lilliam
who
does
electric
vertical
takeoff
jets,
so
think
regional
transport
throughout
the
state
that
they
can
go
tampa
to
orlando
miami.
So
I
think,
there's
some
pretty
exciting
things
coming
in
the
future.
They
anticipate
commercial
service,
starting
in
as
early
as
24.,
so
there's
some
pretty
exciting
things
on
the
horizon
from
a
transportation
perspective,
and
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
F
And
I
do
have
a
few
things
yeah
I
was
at
the
league
I
had
to
leave
early.
I
went
early.
I
went
early
to
go
to
the
mayor's
munich,
the
florida
league
of
mayors
and
I
had
to
leave
early.
I
I
don't
know,
what's
changed
in
the
some
of
the
curriculum
or
whether
it's
just
after
you've
gone
for
so
many
years,
but
there
didn't
seem
to
be
the
variety
of
curriculum.
Maybe
it
was
its
first
time
back
in
person.
D
F
So,
but
in
any
event,
certainly
they
worked
hard
at
it.
Okay,
let
me
once
again
thank
staff
for
all
their
work
on
budget
and
the
budget
meeting
yesterday
and
our
I
final
presentation,
we
appreciate
you
all
working
on
that
leading
us
through
it.
It's
a
good
experience
and
doesn't
go
unnoticed.
The
extra
effort
I
also
want
to.
F
I
also
want
to
thank
the
staff
for
working
so
hard
to
get
the
new
website
and
the
website
information
up,
and
also
for
all
of
the
added
pressures
that
the
last
couple
weeks
have
caused
when
we
have
a
lot
of
citizens
coming
out
and
some
are
unhappy
and
some
take
to
social
media,
I
think
sometimes
some
unfairly
make
statements
on
there
that
are
unfounded.
F
You
know
I
want
to
publicly
say
and
echo
this
of
the
team
that
I
think
our
decision
to
not
waste
the
taxpayers
money
and
do
a
search
committee
and
go
through
all
that
and
go
directly
to
appointing
and
hiring
felicia
donnelly,
as
our
city
manager
was
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
think
everybody
on
this
council
feels
very
adamant
about
that.
I'm
sure
had
it
not
been
with
some
of
the
new
rules
on
social
media.
F
F
I
I
appreciate
that
everybody
is
stepping
up
and
we're
putting
in
more
hours
we're
we're
putting
in
more
effort
and
the
staff's
doing
it,
and-
and
I
don't
remember
not
to
be
unfair
to
any
past
councils
or
any
time
and
staff
where,
where
there's
been,
that
kind
of
extra
effort
to
go
into
it
so
as
as
a
team
collectively,
I
think
we
should
feel
good
about
it
and
I
absolutely
appreciate
the
growing
number
of
citizens
who
have
come
out
and
taken
the
time
to
share
their
opinion
and
get
involved
and
be
patient
for
the
most
part
and
most
of
them
except
past
mayors
took
into
their
time.
F
F
Moving
on
the
next
item
is
approved.
Item
number
15
approved
tentative
agenda
for
september.
7Th
2021
is
there.
Anybody
wishes
to
pull
anything.
Yes,
sir.
All
right
this
time,
I'd
like
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
it
with
adding
to
a
funding
agreement
from
american
rescue
plan.
F
That
review,
what's
the
right
terminology,
it's
going
to
be
review
and
approve
okay
review
and
approve
funding
agreement
from
american
rescue
plan
in
florida.