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A
A
B
Early
father,
we
come
to
you
today
asking
for
guidance
and
wisdom
and
support.
As
we
begin,
this
meeting
help
us
to
engage
in
a
meaningful
discussion,
allow
us
to
grow
closer
as
a
group
and
nurture
the
bonds
of
our
community.
Fill
us
with
your
grace
as
we
make
decisions
that
might
affect
the
residents
of
the
city
of
oldsmore
continue
to
remind
us
that
all
that
we
do
here
today.
All
that
we
accomplish
is
for
the
betterment
of
the
city
of
oldsmar.
This
we
pray,
amen.
A
Please
be
seated
I'd
like
to
start
out
by
reading
the
processes
that
we
will
do
to
this
evening
for
the
open
forum
due
to
the
high
interest
for
the
density,
ordinance,
public
hearing
and
the
concerns
for
the
recent
tragedy
on
st
petersburg
drive.
We
can
expect
a
much
higher
than
normal
turnout
for
tonight's
council
meeting.
A
We
have
the
following
procedures
in
place
to
reasonably
ensure
everyone
has
the
opportunity
to
speak
city
staff
is
con,
is
counting
members
of
the
public
entering
council
chambers
when
the
public
room
has
nearly
met
capacity
with
at
least
five
people
queued
to
speak.
We
will
close
the
building
and
start
forming
lines
outside
line
a
will
be
for
everyone
who
wishes
to
speak
on
any
topic
other
than
density,
that
is
the
open
forum
line
line
b
will
be
for
everyone
who
wishes
to
speak
on
the
public
hearing
for
the
density
ordinance.
A
That
is
the
agenda.
Number
nine
and
ten
speakers
are
set
up
outside
so
that
will
broadcast
the
meeting
for
those
who
are
waiting
in
lines.
State
street
center
is
open
and
will
broadcast
the
live
stream
meeting.
The
first
speakers
will
be
those
in
council
chamber
when
the
last
five
people
queued
to
speak
have
spoken.
They
will
leave
the
building
to
allow
for
five
more
people
to
come
inside
from
the
line
the
rotation
will
continue
until
all
speakers
have
had
an
opportunity
to
address.
A
Council
deputies
and
firefighters
are
stationed
at
the
doorway
lines
and
state
street
center
to
assist
and
reasonably
ensure
everyone
has
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
hear
the
meeting.
We
are
a
community.
This
setup
will
only
work
if
we
all
work
together.
Please
be
patient.
Wait
your
turn
and
be
quiet
for
those
around
you.
It
will
be
tempting
to
cheer
boo
and
comment.
As
you
hear,
your
fellow
community
members
speak.
However,
cheers
boos
comments
interfere
with
the
rights
of
your
fellow
community
members
who
are
trying
to
listen?
Each
person
will
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
A
The
city
clerk
uses
a
timer
for
this
purpose.
She
will
interrupt
you
if
you
continue
to
speak
past
the
alarm
when
you
approach
the
microphone
state,
your
name
and
your
address
for
the
record.
Your
five
minutes
will
then
begin
recognizing.
This
might
be
a
late
meeting
and
many
folks
cannot
stand
for
a
long
time.
I
am
asking
for
speakers
with
children
and
those
with
disabilities
to
speak.
First.
A
C
C
We,
the
tampa
bay
downs
in
margot,
always
tries
to
have
the
oldsmar
cup
closest
to
that
date.
So
that's.
C
Afternoon
and
I
tried
to
look,
I
think
later,
mid-afternoon
might
be
when
the
races
start
and
the
osmar
cup.
If
you're
there
wear
your
hat
like
you're
at
the
kentucky
derby
and
right
after
the
race,
everyone
can
get
in
the
picture
with
the
winner.
So
that's
fine
and
then
you'll
see
it
on
the
website
anyway,
but
that
it's
a
fun
afternoon,
so
it
coordinates
a
little
bit
with
our
oldsmar
history
and
the
last
is
two
weeks
from
today.
There's
another
council
meeting
and
the
oldsmar
historical
society
is
going
to
have
an
open
house.
C
F
D
Council
staff
community
at
large
great
to
see
you
all
here
tonight:
suda
yantas,
colon
402,
arlington
avenue,
east
oldsmar
florida,
our
wonderful
town
of
oldsmar,
great,
to
see
everybody
coming
out
to
show
their
support
for
either
side,
showing
that
our
community
does
care
for
what
happens
with
our
city.
For
me,
what
I
care
about
that
happens
with
our
city
is
the
little
mermaid
show
is
coming
up
april.
23Rd
opal
theater
is
performing
disney's
the
little
mermaid
production
on
8
p.m.
D
We
are
opening
up
at
7
p.m,
and
we
are
inviting
folks
to
come
out
and
have
dinner
and
a
show.
We
have
vendors
uncle
dave's
kettle.
Corn
and
pit
stop
barbecue,
so
we're
encouraging
folks
to
come
out
at
seven
grab
a
bite
to
eat
and
then
stay
for
eight
o'clock
performance
of
the
little
mermaid.
It
is
a
full
musical
dance,
theater
performance
right
on
our
re-old
stage,
our
elizabeth
smith
amphitheater
stage
at
ariel's
park.
This
is
a
free
outdoor
event
and
we
encourage
all
to
come
out.
D
B
Thank
you,
adam
of
colors
343
country
club
drive.
I
don't
remember
quite
honestly,
but
a
lot
of
things
like
that
today
did
oldsmar
actually
accept
st
petersburg
drive
from
d.o.t
when
they
built
the
new
state.
Road
580.
So
does
ozmar
own
that
road
now
or
is
it
still,
the
state
road
st
petersburg
drive.
B
B
And
one
of
the
reasons
I
bring
that
up
is
you
did
mention
the
tragedy
and,
during
the
you
know,
old
smart
days
and
mr
buckman
actually
brought
this
up
about
lowering
the
speed
limit
out
there
on
that
roadway
to
25..
You
know,
I
think,
that's
a
great
great
first
step.
I
think
it
should
be
done
now.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
wait.
I
think
you're
going
to
hear
a
presentation
about
some
more
of
the
redevelopment
process.
B
That's
going
to
take
place
down
there,
it's
going
to
help
protect
the
workers,
it's
going
to
help
protect
all
of
the
people
down
there.
I
would
take
it
all
the
way
down
past
jack
willie's
to
where
the
new
you
know.
The
intersection
is
down
there
because
it
gets
it
down
past
the
elementary
school
and
everything
else.
I
don't
think
we
should
wait
for
you
know
anything
down
the
road.
I
think
that's
something.
If
we
do
on
that
road,
which
I
believe
that
we
do,
then
I
think
y'all
can
implement
that
immediately.
B
D
Hi
everyone-
I
am
megan
buckman
310,
washington,
avenue
oldsmar
and
I
oh
make
it
emotional.
D
So
the
tragedy
really
hits
home
for
a
lot
of
us,
and
part
of
that
is
a
lot
of
us.
We
are
a
very
close
community
and
saint
pete
goes.
Road
goes
dragged
us
right
through
the
middle
of
it,
and
our
children
walk
back
and
forth
all
day
long,
including
both
our
daughters
twice
a
day,
and
there
are
the
age
that
we're
not
there
holding
their
hand
the
whole
time
and
I
pray
that
they
are
watching
around
the
curves
very
carefully.
D
D
I'm
scared
for
our
children
and
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
think
I
think
the
start
is
if
we
bring
down
the
speed
limit,
but
we
need
to
do
more.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
people
that
are
coming
through
our
neighborhood
that
may
not
be
familiar
with
it
understand
that
it
is
a
road
that
they
need
to
be
very
careful
on,
and
so
we
definitely
need
more
than
just.
D
I
I
believe
more
than
just
the
diamond
signs
saying
this
is
a
crosswalk,
so
looking
at
it
very
carefully,
of
course,
the
improvements
down
the
road,
I'm
sure
are
going
to
be
fantastic,
looking
forward
to
to
hearing
about
those,
but
we
need
something
now
I
think
for
all
of
us.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
So
thanks
megan,
my
name
is
melissa
cuomo.
I
live
at
301
park
boulevard
in
oldsmar,
I'm
a
resident
here
and
I
just
think
before
I
get
started
sorry,
I
have
two
young
kids.
We
need
to
acknowledge
the
soresby
family
that
is
here
tonight
and
just
your
your
strength
has
taken
my
breath
away
and
I'm
here
to
not
only
advocate
for
my
children,
but
also
for
the
swordsby
family
and
leah.
This
never
should
have
happened.
G
This
is
a
topic
I've
asked
about
for
years,
so
you
know
my
daughters,
eliza
and
rose.
They
go
to
oldsmar
elementary
school.
They
started
this
past
august
and
I
quickly
discovered
that
there
are
glaring
issues
with
our
crosswalks
and
our
routes
to
school,
especially
regarding
south
bay
view
boulevard
and
park
boulevard,
because
I
live
within
two
miles
of
oldsmore.
Elementary
transportation
is
not
provided.
G
G
And
I
want
to
thank
councilwoman
gannon
for
doing
some
research
and
on
this
issue,
so
we
can
get
the
approved,
walking
route
updated
with
pinellas
county
schools
and
with
oldsmore
elementary.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
work
on
that.
My
youngest
rose
is
in
pre-k3
and
my
oldest
eliza
is
in
first
grade.
I
have
to
drop
them
off
at
two
different
locations
at
the
school
per
their
policy.
G
This
is
a
headache,
as
many
of
us
can
attest
to,
including
vice
mayor
buckman,
because
his
son
also
has
to
be
dropped
off
at
the
front.
First,
the
pre-k
and
kindergarten
students
are
dropped
off
at
the
front
entrance,
which
is
on
dartmouth
avenue
to
walk.
I
would
have
to
walk
dartmouth
avenue
from
my
house
on
park
boulevard.
There
are
no
crosswalks
on
park
boulevard.
G
G
G
Cars
are
coming
quickly
to
make
the
light
at
580
in
bayview,
and
I
am
supposed
to
cross
within
200
feet
of
that
interchange.
Dartmouth
avenue
is
already
a
commonly
used
route
in
the
downtown
area.
It
is
wide
enough.
It
is
not
wide
enough
to
accommodate
two
cars
and
because
of
the
current
state
of
the
sidewalks,
pedestrians
are
commonly
forced
to
walk
on
the
street.
G
This
poses
many
safety
concerns
for
pedestrians
and
drivers
to
walk
to
the
back
entrance
of
the
school.
I
need
to
use
buckingham
avenue.
However,
there
are
no
crosswalks
on
park.
Boulevard
and
yes,
buckingham-
does
have
two
cross
crossing
guards
which
make
it
safer
to
cross,
and
I
commend
them
every
single
day
for
helping
our
students
get
to
school
safely,
but
I
have
witnessed
many
cars
speeding
through
bayview
and
buckingham,
not
stopping
while
the
crossing
guard
is
in
the
middle
of
the
street
yelling
and
waving
his
hands
and
blowing
a
very
loud
whistle.
G
In
addition
to
the
lack
of
approved
walking
routes
for
oldsmar
elementary
school,
the
bus
stops
for
the
middle
and
high
schools
are
on
saint
pete
drive.
Many
students
are
crossing
saint
pete
drive
by
themselves
early
in
the
morning
between
6
30
and
6
50
a.m.
That's
when
the
high
schools
get
picked
up,
it
is
dark
outside
at
that
time.
Currently
these
students
are
crossing
st
pete
drive
and
hoping
they
make
it
across
safely
and,
of
course,
considering
recent
events.
G
It
is
imperative
that
the
city
of
oldsmar
take
our
concerns
and
make
changes
for
the
safety
of
our
children.
Leah
was
one
year
younger
than
eliza.
By
two
weeks,
when
councilwoman
gannon
spoke
to
my
husband
and
I
we
shared
a
lot
of
the
same
frustrations
about
the
current
walking
routes
and
lack
of
crosswalks
in
our
community.
G
C
My
name
is
jason
soresby
and
right
now
I
live
in
6940,
manifested
court
newport
richie.
I
moved
to
florida
2002
and
I
moved
to
oldsmar
and
I've
been
an
osman
resident
for
years.
I
love
oldspar,
you
know
this
is
the
worst
thing.
That's
ever
happened
to
me
and
the
worst
thing
that
makes
it
so
tragic
is
that
this
was
an
avoidable
situation,
because
there's
been
complaints
about
that
crosswalk
in
that
intersection
for
a
long
time.
C
You
know,
I
can't
say
how
many
years
but
I've
been
people
been
telling
me
to
complain
and
complaining
complaining,
and
what
hurts
me
the
most
is
that
I
had
a
memorial
service
for
my
daughter
like
a
couple
days
ago,
and
there
was
a
sheriff
standing
there.
You
know
and
the
sheriff
sheriff
I
was
staying
in
there
and
we
were
warned
about
this
intersection
for
years.
Everybody
was
warned,
and
now
it's
so
easy
for
this
one
sheriff
to
stand
there
to
watch
80
people.
C
C
I
just
don't
understand
why
couldn't
one
sheriff
be
sitting
there
at
that
moment,
where
there's
an
osmar
day
going
on,
we
know
how
dangerous
that
intersection
is.
We
I
understand-
and
I
emphasize
the
fact
that
things
take
time.
C
You
know
what
I
mean,
but
one
sheriff
would
have
seen
the
dude
eric
whatever
his
name
is
that
that
killed
my
daughter,
whatever
he
was
doing
to
kill
my
daughter
could
have
been
stopped.
If
that
one
sheriff
was
there,
you
know
what
I
mean
one
sheriff.
Could
he
would
have
seen
the
sheriff
and
he
would
have
slowed
down
and-
and
it's
like
we
have
to
be-
I
don't
want
this
to
happen
to
anybody's
children.
What
I'm
dealing
with
I've
been
through
a
lot
in
my
life,
what
I'm
dealing
with
right
now,
I've!
C
Never
in
my
life
in
my
life,
had
this
much
pain.
I
wake
up
every
morning
every
morning
and
it's
not
a
nightmare.
You
know
what
I
mean
this
could
have
been
avoided
and
we
are
so
much
better
than
this
as
an
old
small
community.
This
should
be
taken
care
of
a
long
time
ago,
because
as
easy
as
that,
one
sheriff
was
there
for
my
little
service
for
my
memorial
daughter.
C
C
A
C
A
C
I
C
B
I
Just
amazing,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
guys
over
there
at
fastsigns
who
made
the
memorial
signs
for
us
and
they
said
no
we're
not
taking
your
money.
We're
gonna,
we're
gonna
make
these
for
you,
they're
eric
and
rob,
and
there
was
another.
C
I
Appreciative,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
the
osmar
florist
for
making
the
flowers
they
were
beautiful.
B
I
Just
thank
you
for
everybody
making
this
an
issue
that
needs
to
get
taken
care
of
right
now,
because
this
is
something
the
whole
community
felt.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah
and
that
guy
right
over
there
and
doug
that
I
can't
get
up
here
and
speak
within
five
minutes.
B
We
own
that
the
council
voted
on
that
to
take
over
that
by
the
saint
pete
drive,
because
that
was
580
at
that
time
I
had
a
solution
for
saint
pete
drive,
but
I
didn't
get
the
backing
that
I
thought
I
should
have
gotten
now.
You
people
can
do
it.
B
I
made
some
people
mad.
I
didn't
I
didn't
really
care
after
I
got
through.
We
had
seven
stop
lines
of
stop
signs
in
this
city.
You
came
and
asked
me.
How
do
I
get
a
stop
sign
and
I
told
you
how
you
got
a
psych?
A
stop
sign
didn't
I
because
the
council
had
come
to
the
conclusion
that
if
anybody
on
a
road
wanted
to
stop
sign,
all
you
had
to
do
was
go
out
there
and
get
signatures
from
every
one
of
your
people
that
live
on
that
road
and
you'll
get
a
stop
sign.
B
You
got
the
signatures
and
I
told
you
once
you've
got
the
signature.
This
council
has
to
because
we
made
that
part
of
our
whatever
I
I
thought,
the
city
council
or
the
city
attorney's
going
to
say.
Well,
we
didn't
have
an
ordinance,
but
you
got
your
stop
sign.
Didn't
you
on
washington,
the
solution
to
saint
pete
drive
that
one
of
the
city
managers
had
a
had
a
cow
about,
put
a
stop
sign
at
bayview
and
saint
petersburg
drive.
B
Yeah,
he
knows
how
cranky
I
can
be
a
stop
sign,
four-way,
stop
at
st
petersburg
drive
and
bay
view.
I
don't
care
if
people
that
go
through
this
city,
that
doesn't
you
know
the
city
manager
at
that
time.
Didn't
like
the
stop
sign
that
I
really
don't
care
it
didn't
stop
anyway,
and
most
of
the
people
in
saint
petersburg
drive
don't
live
in
here
at
the
start
of
them,
make
them
stop
at
that.
Damn
intersection,
and
you
know
how
bad
that
intersection
is.
B
B
D
C
C
Oh,
my
god,
I
just
I'm
quick
about
this.
I
just
feel
like
it's
very
important
to
get.
C
C
D
J
J
J
F
E
E
E
I
too
attended
that
memorial
for
little
leon,
the
31st
I
parked
across
the
street
at
a
friend's
house
on
the
east
side
of
bayview
boulevard
directly
across
from
the
food
mart
I
had
to
cross
bayview
so
that
I
walked
so
I
walked
to
the
northeast
corner
of
bayview
and
st
pete
drive
as
per
standard
precautions.
I
looked
in
every
single
direction,
multiple
times
before
crossing
and
stepping
into
the
road
with
the
designated
crosswalk.
E
E
I
stood
and
stared
at
the
face
of
the
female
driver
of
this
large
black
suv
as
she
completely
drove
over
the
stop
line
and
fully
into
the
designated
crosswalk,
while
her
entire
head
was
turned
to
the
right.
Looking
at
the
gathering
that
was
happening
in
the
mart.
The
food
mart
parking
lot
as
her
vehicle
came
to
a
stop
literally
directly
in
front
of
me.
E
The
community
is
aware
of
the
city's
future
plans
for
saint
pete
drive
and
this
intersection.
However,
the
plans
in
2024
2025
do
nothing
for
our
safety.
Now,
and
today,
can
you
please
find
some
sort
of
safety
measure
to
put
in
place
immediately,
even
if
it
is
a
temporary
solution,
flashing,
lights,
handheld
flags-
I
I
personally
don't
know
the
solution
to
this
problem,
but,
as
our
effect
elected
officials,
we're
looking
to
you
to
expedite
a
safety
measure
at
that
intersection
until
a
permanent
solution
can
be
implemented.
E
K
Before
I
start,
I
want
to
acknowledge
tonight's
turnout,
I'm
proud
that
our
residents
are
involved
in
our
community,
but
it's
also
frustrating
for
me
because
well,
I
think
everyone
here
is
a
little
bit
frustrated
and
that's
why
we've
gathered
here
we're
frustrated
by
recent
events
and
events
that
have
been
set
in
motion
over
the
last
year,
or
so
I'm
sure
with
the
best
intentions.
But
nonetheless,
I
think
citizens
have
come
to
feel
unheard
and
disenfranchised.
K
We'll
see
if
what
this
room
looks
like
in
a
few
hours,
when
we're
all
putting
our
kids
to
bed
and
even
ourselves
for
work
tomorrow,
because
we
are
in
the
middle
of
a
work
week
and
in
those
absences,
this
meeting
will
keep
chugging
along
members
of
the
council.
I
appreciate
that
you
come
here
and
take
up
a
portion
of
your
time
with
good
intentions
for
the
city,
and
I
stand
here
because
I
have
no
choice.
K
I
come
here.
I
come
here
to
preserve
my
neighborhood
and
my
community
help
protect
what
we
have
here
and
try
to
help
protect
the
community.
If
I
wasn't
standing
here,
I
you
know,
I
I'd
rather
be
standing
at
the
dmv
than
having
to
be
up
here.
I
have
my
own
amount
of
stage
fright.
K
I
can
appreciate
that
every
member
on
this
council
is
a
parent
like
myself.
In
fact,
all
council
members
seats
one
through
four.
I
know
all
of
you
are
raising
young
children
just
like
my
family.
My
wife
was
up
here
earlier.
She
talked
about
our
kids.
What
happened
on
the
26th
hit
us
all
in
the
gut.
I
know
I
can
rest
assured
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
about
a
lot
of
these
problems,
fixing
our
intersections
and
our
pedestrian
routes.
K
K
K
I
believe
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
do
right
away
and
understandably,
some
things
that
require
us
to
seek
higher
authority
from
the
county
and
state.
I
hope
we
have
some
workshops
and
open
meetings
in
the
near
future
and
I
hope
to
see
some
traffic
studies
push
to
the
absolute
top
of
pinellas
county's
agenda.
If
that's
necessary,
I
believe
right
now
we
could
take
all
our
existing
crosswalks
and
improve
their
visibility
and
consistency.
K
We
could
add
more
lighting
at
those
locations,
especially
in
the
morning
when
it's
very
difficult
to
see
we
don't
just
have
to
have
black
and
white
stripes
we've
been
talking
about
our
city's
rebranding
agenda.
We
can
add
color
to
that,
to
make
it
even
more
visible
using
our
city's
colors
from
there.
We
can
further
our
development
with
rapid
flashing
signs
roundabouts
and
any
other
solutions
that
the
traffic
engineers
decide.
K
Most
importantly,
I
hope
our
city's
leadership
has
a
fresh
perspective
in
regards
to
the
city,
traffic
and
our
downtown
community.
I
will
be
speaking
further
on
the
density
issue
when
I
give
the
chance,
but
I
want
to
advise
anyone
listening
to
our
problems.
K
I
David
mcdonald
124
shore
drive
place,
so
I
listening
to
this
tonight.
I
want
to
tell
you
about
my
experience.
About
a
month
and
a
half
ago
I
was
coming
up
bay
view
drive
at
this
intersection.
I
had
stopped
at
the
hotel
there
at
the
county
corner,
and
I
saw
a
large
group
of
students
coming
down
the
road
from
the
park
there's
about
45,
but
they
were
in
two
separate
routes.
One
was
like
30
students
and
one
was
15..
I
I
Unfortunately,
the
two
teachers
who
were
young
had
the
other
15
or
20
behind
them,
40
yards
when
they
got
the
intersection
and
they
did
not
go
out
the
middle
of
their
section
to
stop
they
just
escorted.
The
kids
right
across
into
the
side
of
the
crosswalk
a
car
then
came
and
stopped
within
five
feet
of
striking
15
kids
right
in
front
of
me.
I
I
called
the
school
and
asked
them
to
increase
their
safety
standards
and
what
they
could
do
when
they
agreed
to
do
that
safety
meeting.
But
my
point
is:
is
that
that
intersection
looks
like
a
four-way,
stop
pedestrian
c
crosswalks,
all
four
sides
and
they
think
it's
a
four-way
stop
the
city
had
to
put
a
little
orange
sign.
They
they
first
put
a
sign
that
says,
does
not
stop,
but
now
it
says
does
not
stop,
but
they
had
to
warn
people
that
there's
not
a
four-way,
stop
there.
Well,
why
not
put
a
four-way
stop
there?
Listen!
I
This
guy
right
here
has
got
more
experience
than
all
of
you
in
his
back
pocket
about
city
leadership
and
listening
to
the
people
and
doing
the
right
things
for
this
community.
I
think
you
should
listen
to
him
myself
and
I'll
get
the
signatures.
Trust
me
I'll
get
500
signatures,
that's
what
you
need,
but
something
needs
to
be
done
about
this
and
again
we're
going
to
add
on
to
it
later.
I
A
B
G
Hi
I'm
kerry
sheets.
G
I
live
at
604
park,
boulevard
oldsmar
everyone's
already
said
most
of
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
your
attention
just
as
another
safety
issue,
since
we're
talking
about
that
in
oldsmar
at
large
is
when
there
are
events
at
the
park
at
orioles
park
and
the
parking
there
is
really
hard
for
folks,
so
they
park
kind
of
in
the
middle,
then
like
the
median
area,
and
it's
been
really
tough
for
a
lot
of
families
to
see
incoming
cars
because
they
can't
see
since
their
cars
in
the
middle
cars
along
the
side
of
the
road
and
then
the
parks
so
and
then
the
cars
can't
see
you
so
we've
nearly
been
hit
several
times.
G
We've
actually
seen
a
golf
cart.
Somebody
on
golf
cart
saw
that
someone
nearly
hit
us
and
stopped
and
yelled
at
him.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
concern
too
about
maybe
when
we
do
have
events
that
there's
maybe
specific,
allocated
parking
that
folks
know
about
and
that
we're
maybe
allowing
space
between
like
from
the
crosswalks.
So
pedestrians
can
see
cars
and
cars
can
see
pedestrians
before
they
make
a
move.
D
Hi
good
evening,
kristin
kilik
612
park
boulevard,
so
obviously
my
park
boulevard
people.
We
have
some
serious
concerns
about
safety,
not
just
at
bayview
but
on
park
in
general,
the
blinding
light
when
you
turn
the
inadequate
sidewalks,
the
inadequate
crosswalks,
a
horrible
tragedy
that
should
have
never
happened
so
horrible.
D
C
F
Hi,
christopher
campana,
I've
been
here
less
than
a
year
and
I
know
you're
going
to
talk
about
density
later.
You
know
I
moved
here
from
miami
and
prior
to
that
I
was
in
new
york
city
and
prior
to
that
I
was
in
berlin
and
prior
to
that
it
was
in
new
york
city,
and
I
know
it's
a
density
thing
and
you
know
I
came
here
to
get
away
from
that
now
I
have
a
two-year-old
and
a
three-year-old.
F
I
live
on,
204
washington,
you
come
off
a
state
street,
you
come
off
a
tampa
road
and
then
you
go
to
state
street
you'd
think
things
would
slow
down,
but
they
don't
when
you
get
to
as
soon
as
they
get
the
cross
state
street.
It's
a
it's
a
race
track
to
dartmouth
every
time-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
noticed,
but
there's
some
signs
up
that
says:
drive
like
your
kids
live
here.
Every
time
I'm
out
there
with
the
kids
every
other
car
I'm
going
slow
down.
It
is
out
of
control.
F
Now
again
I've
seen
some
stuff
I've
been
in
density.
I
know
what
it's
about.
I
don't
wanna,
I
I
don't
wanna
reenact
that
here,
but
I
can
tell
you
something
needs
to
be
done
and
it's
it's
it's
my
worst
nightmare
which
could
what
could
happen.
You
know
over
across
from
state
street
there.
F
You
know
the
council
is
here
for
the
will
of
the
people
and
a
couple
weeks
ago
a
vote
was
put
forth
and
I
think
the
will
of
the
people
have
spoke
and
again
I
know
we'll
talk
about
it
later
and
the
reason
I
know
that
is
because
these
two
guys
are
sitting
here
right
now.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
C
Yes,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
fun
things
coming
up
kite
day
for
you
to
attend.
Saturday
april
9th,
from
10
to
1
at
sheffield
park
enjoy
a
fun
opportunity
to
fly,
kites.
L
C
The
holiday
sharing
fund,
which
is
a
non-profit
charity
and
they
give
bikes
to
kids
and
actually.
M
And
you
know.
C
C
A
C
A
Thank
you,
ann
wonderful.
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing:
the
oldsmar
cup
race.
Everyone
gets
in
free
with
a
driver's
license
in
the
city
of
oldsmar.
It's
a
wonderful
event
to
hang
out
at
the
horse
track
and
right
here
at
tampa
bay
downs.
I
will
be
there
and
if
we,
the
winners
circle,
we
get
our
picture
taken.
I
would
invite
everyone
to
please
be
there
for
that
special
event
for
our
city
of
oldsmar's
birthday
party.
A
N
A
M
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
the
first
item
under
the
community
redevelopment
agency
is
to
adopt
resolution
2022-06
designating
mayor
dan
saraki
as
chair
and
vice
mayor
jared
buckman,
as
vice
chair
of
the
community
redevelopment
agency.
This
is
a
post-election
housekeeping
item
as
well
as
a
housekeeping
item.
After
the
annual
vice
mayor
appointment
to
conform
with
florida
statute,
163.356
city
staff
recommends
designating
mayor
saraki
as
chair
and
vice
mayor
buckman.
As
vice
chair
of
the
community
redevelopment
agency,
I
will
read
the
resolution
by
title.
M
P
Thank
you
everyone.
I
I'm
I'm
here
to
talk
about
st
pete
drive
complete
streets
project.
Thank
you
for
everyone
that
made
comments.
So
you
know,
as
the
public
works
director,
we'll
look
at
every
and
all
complaints,
but
I'm
here
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing
to
go
forward
the
best
I
can
so.
P
The
saint
pete
drive
complete
streets
project,
as
we
talked
about
earlier
that
the
previously
the
road
was
a
state
road,
580,
okay,
so
the
nature
of
the
road
was
a
state
road
that
went
through
the
middle
of
our
town
and
in
the
late
90s
we
took
over
the
ownership
of
that
street
and
state
road
580
was
extended
to
what
was
state
street
so
that
character
change
is
part
of
the
oddness
of
st
p
drive,
so
the
project
that
we
have
is
to
do
a
complete
street.
So
the
question
is:
what
is
a
complete
street?
P
Those
include
people
of
all
ages
and
abilities,
regardless
of
whether
they
are
traveling
as
drivers,
pedestrians,
bicyclists
or
public
transportation
writers.
So
that
was
a
a
lot
of
information.
So
a
lot
of
times
I
like
to
frame
things
well,
what's
what's
the
opposite
of
a
complete
street?
Well
incomplete
street?
If
you
will
it's
a
made
up
term,
but
to
explain
it
will
be
a
roadway
which
is
designed
to
maximize
mobility
and
safety
for
vehicular
traffic,
where
other
modes
of
transportation
are
afterthoughts
are
neglected.
P
I
failed
to
mention
before
before
I
go
on.
I
have
my
the
consultant
from
kimberlyhorn
john
seals
is
here
with
me
to.
I
have
any
questions
about
the
project
as
we
go
forward,
so
the
vision
of
the
project
is
to
extend
the
downtown
to
bayview
boulevard
in
order
to
safely
connect
residents
to
a
vibrant
downtown.
P
This
is
the
area
of
the
project.
It
moves
from
bayview
boulevard
to
dartmouth,
which
is
where
the
library
is.
The
goals
of
the
project
are
to
improve
the
safety
for
all
users.
Walkers
bus
riders,
golf
carts,
cyclists,
cars,
school
children,
people
with
mobility
issues,
downtown
residents
and
visitors
second,
is
to
eliminate
the
roadside.
Ditches
third
is
to
place
overhead
utilities
underground.
P
So
the
first
phase
of
the
project
is
the
underground
utilities.
So
what
we
we
came
to
council
a
month
or
two
ago
about
hiring
an
electrician
to
go
through
each
of
the
houses
that
front
st
p,
drive
and
change
the
meter
can
so
what
they'll
do
is
they'll
put
in
a
meter.
Can
that
can
have
wires
go
upwards
and
downwards
that
way
we
can
retrofit
it
in
place
without
having
to
do
the
switchover,
then
tico
will
come
in
and
un
underground.
P
The
utilities
meaning
put
in
actually
dig
it
and
put
in
the
the
power
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
switch
it
over
seamlessly.
The
the
second
phase
of
the
project
is
the
streetscape
on
the
left.
We
have
a
complete
street,
it's
a
nice
one,
it's
right
by
the
library
in
oldsmar,
but
that's
a
complete
that
that's
what
we're
the
project's
going
to
be
similar
to
that
on
the
right.
We
have
the
inconsistent
section
that
we
have
now
that
we're
all
aware
of.
P
I
want
to
highlight
a
few
elements
of
the
project
that
we're
having
so
at
each
intersection
we're
having
rrfbs,
which
are
rectangular
rapid
flashing
beacons.
Those
are
the
things
on
the
right
that
you
hit
the
button
and
they
flash
up
so
that
you
can
highlight
the
pedestrians
as
they
go
through
and
we're
having
refresh
crosswalks
at
each
intersection.
P
This.
This
is
the
typical
section
for
the
project
I'm
going
to
move
from
left
to
right,
which
is
generally
from
north
to
south.
So
on
the
north
side,
there'd
be
a
eight
foot,
pedestrian
path,
lighting
and
landscaping.
Then
we'll
have
curb
and
gutter
11
foot
lanes.
Part
of
the
the
reason
for
the
11
foot
lanes
is,
while
you
know,
when
we
set
speed
limits,
you
have
to
fundamentally
change
the
character
of
the
road
or
people
won't
drive
those
speed
limits.
So
when
we
have
you
know,
people
don't
really
listen.
P
Look
at
signs
to
be
honest,
but
when
we
change
the
character
it
will,
when
we
narrow
those
lanes,
you
psychologically
will
drive
slower,
and
so
that's
what
we're
doing
there,
the
curb
and
gutter.
Then
the
next
area
is
landscaping
which
will
have
some
storm
water
treatment
lighting
and
then
a
10-foot
multi-use
trail.
P
I
want
to
speak
on
golf
carts
for
a
moment,
because
I
know
everyone
loves
golf
carts.
So
currently,
golf
carts
are
not
permitted
on
trails
generally
in
the
state
of
florida,
but
golf
carts
and
they're
not
currently
permitted
on
st
pete
drive
because
the
speed
limit.
P
So
when
we
decrease
the
design
speed
on
st
p
drive
to
drive
25
miles
an
hour.
This
will
allow
safe
travel
for
golf
carts
on
the
roadway.
The
third
phase
of
the
project
is
the
roundabout
at
bayview
boulevard.
So
you,
you
might
be
asking
well
why
you
know
why
a
roundabout
I've
been
to
clearwater.
Like
I
hate
them
like,
I
don't
get
it.
P
Thank
you.
So,
after
reviewing
the
crash
history,
really
a
roundabout
is
the
best
option
to
solve
the
challenges
of
this
intersection.
It
improves
the
safety
and
efficiency.
It's
one
of
the
few
items
that
both
increases
safety
and
efficiency
generally
in
traffic
engineering,
we're
balancing
those
tensions,
the
more
safe
something
gets
the
less
efficient.
P
P
P
P
P
A
O
N
Just
have
one
daniel
the
the
layout
or
the
bounds
of
the
project
that
are
set
right
now.
Obviously,
you've
focused
your
funding
around
that.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
aware
that
issues
on
st
p
drive
extend
westward
beyond
bayview.
So
has
there
been
any
preliminary
investigation
as
far
as
another
phase
of
complete
streets
for
west
of
bayview,
you
know
approaching
580.
P
A
R
You
know
dan
thanks
for
coming
out
and
doing
this
tonight.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I'm
just
gonna,
read
it
what
the
citizen
said
and
try
not
to
get
emotional,
but
what
can
we
do
now
right?
We're
not
waiting
until
2025
right
are
there
options
now,
and
I
know
you
may
not
have
the
answers
tonight,
but
what
can
we
do
sooner
than
later,
to
put
a
temporary
stop
gap
to
prevent
another
tragedy.
P
P
You
know
not
they're,
not
the
major
changes
that
people
are
expecting,
but
we
we
put
in
the
traffic
does
not
stop
signs
which
it
was
not
an
intent
to
draw
more
attention
to
that.
Although.
P
Been
brilliant
if
we
did,
it
was
a
mistake
and
I
apologize
for
that.
We
also
every
time
I'm
looking
at
the
the
site,
visibility
issues
and
we
try
to
make
changes
now.
Some
of
those
changes
are
private
property.
So,
in
order
to
do
that,
you
have
to
go
through
a
process
and
I
don't
want
to
just
start
cutting
people's
trees
down
to
you
know,
willy-nilly,
we
have
eliminated
palm
trees,
we've
moved,
there
was
a
box
at
the
corner
of
bay
view
and
state
street
that
we
removed
had
removed.
P
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
all
of
the
things
we
possibly
could
do.
We,
I
have
we
discussed
this
morning
about
doing
a
four-way,
stop
study
and
a
speed
limit
study
evaluation
and
I've
asked
the
our
consultant
to
put
together
a
work
order
for
that.
P
P
That's
just
the
reality,
so
anything
we
do
has
to
go
through
a
study
that
uses
data
to
determine
what's
best.
Okay,
so
I
mean
we're
gonna,
we're
working
through
that
process.
Thank
you.
A
P
M
Mayor
item
number
three
is
presentation
of
public
comments
and
essential
terms
of
a
proposed
development
agreement
between
devon
rushnell
llc
and
the
city
of
oldsmar
for
the
city-owned
property
located
adjacent
to
the
public
library.
M
On
february,
11
2021
john
buse
presented
a
proposed
conceptual
plan
for
the
property
to
the
at
a
community
redevelopment
work
session.
At
that
meeting
direction
was
given
to
resubmit
a
revised
proposal.
On
april
6
2021,
the
city
council
approved
a
revised
concept
plan
and
authorized
the
city
manager
to
begin
negotiations.
M
On
february
1st
2022
the
city
council
approved
another
version
of
the
concept
plan,
presenting
the
enlargement
of
the
theater
site
of
a
potential
theater
site
reduction
of
the
units,
the
number
of
units
to
82
orientation
of
the
units
to
promote
walkability
and
new
urbanism
concepts
and
the
overall
architecture
in
accordance
with
the
city's
land
development
code.
Section
14.7.
M
M
The
purchase
price,
2.8
million
dollars
for
6.22
acres,
the
city,
shall
retain
a
0.74
acre
parcel
adjacent
to
the
public
library.
M
M
Number
12
obtain
all
required
permits.
Number
13
demonstration
of
concurrency
and
submission
of
a
concurrency
test
statement
is
required
by
the
city's
land
development
code.
Number
14
demonstration
of
compliance
to
the
town
center
code,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
architectural
design
and
pattern
book
proposed
design.
Exceptions
also
referred
to
as
variances
include
the
following
number
one
driveway
flares
is
shown
as
the
conceptual
plan
number
two
setbacks
to
driveways.
M
On
march
1st
2022,
the
city
council
directed
the
city
manager
to
host
three
public
open
houses
to
present
the
conceptual
plan
in
the
essential
terms
to
the
public.
There
were
71
total
participants
at
the
open
houses
held
on
wednesday
march
23rd
from
six
to
eight
at
tico
hall,
thursday
march
24th,
from
1
pm
to
3
pm
at
gold,
air
village,
clubhouse
and
saturday
march
26
from
9
to
11
a.m.
At
the
cypress
forest
recreation
center.
M
M
After
the
city
attorney
prepares
the
legal
documentation,
the
development
agreement
will
be
presented
to
the
planning
board.
After
that
presentation,
the
city
council
will
hold
two
additional
public
hearings
before
final
approval.
Please
note
that
the
conceptual
plan
could
change
as
it
continues
to
be
reviewed
by
the
appropriate
stakeholders,
but
only
minor
modifications
staff
recommends
approval.
A
A
Q
No
comments
for
me:
we've
been
through
this
previously,
so.
A
O
Member
gannon,
thank
you
mayor.
I
just
had
one
quick
question.
I
was
grateful
for
the
actual
written
responses
from
our
public
on
the
survey
questionnaires,
as
opposed
to
just
like
a
a
b
c
d
or
strongly
agree.
It
was
nice
to
review
their
actual
the
text
of
their
comments.
O
Several
of
them
did
mention
traffic
and
parking,
and
I
note
that
number
13
on
the
developer's
list
of
requirements,
states,
demonstration
of
concurrency,
submission
of
a
concurrency
test
statement
and,
of
course,
the
other
portions
compliance
with
the
other
portions
of
the
city's
land
development
code.
When,
during
the
the
timeline
can
we
expect
to
see
that
information
to.
M
M
M
M
N
N
Thank
you,
councilmember
gannon
kind
of
spurred
me
to
think
of
this.
How
many
other
of
these
items
would
be
accomplished
before
the
development
agreement
comes
to
council.
M
Until
after
removing
the
water
main,
so
so
you
know
the
things
that
that
you
wouldn't
have
any
of
this
and
either
the
construction
of
any
sort
of
modifications
that
would
be
required
would
would
happen
after
the
agreement
is
signed.
A
B
A
A
I
have
a
motion
by
andrew
knapp
and
the
second
by
candy
councilmember
katie
gannon,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
O
Suspend
the
rules
of
the
day
to
move
items
nine
and
ten
in
the
agenda
up
to
review
those
items.
Now,
yes,.
A
B
B
we're
going
to
hear
all
of
the
information
on
both
items,
but
you're
going
to
have
the
the
council
is
going
to
have
two
separate
motions,
so
staff
presentation
and
then,
if
the
public
wants
to
speak
on
either
one
of
these
items,
item
number
nine
or
number
ten
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that
before
the
first
vote
will
be
taken.
That
way,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
up
and
down
back
and
forth,
you'll
be
able
to
speak
once
and
you'll
have
your
five
minutes
to
do
that.
B
So,
in
addition
to
that,
I
just
want
to
let
you
know.
We
expect
the
meeting
to
go
a
little
bit
long,
and
so
we
may
break
sometime
in
the
presentation.
I
think
the
mayor
has
set
that
will
probably
break
about
9
30
for
a
few
minutes
and
then
we'll
go
right
back
at
it.
So
if
you
see
a
see
a
need
to
have
that
bathroom
break,
it
will
be
coming.
B
A
L
Most
of
these
prior
plans
contemplated
higher
density,
currenzonian
regulations,
facilitate
higher
commercial
density
and
lower
residential
density.
This
amendment
would
provide
an
incentive
for
transit,
supportive,
mixed-use,
vertical
integrated
development,
with
concentrated
higher
density
for
the
residential
along
tampa
road.
L
L
The
history
of
the
proposed
amendment
up
to
date
includes
so
the
planning
board
recommended
approval.
With
a
6-1
vote
on
october,
27th
city
council
approved
the
amendment
during
the
first
hearing
on
december
7th,
with
a
4-1
vote
after
the
first
hearing,
the
case
was
transmitted
to
the
do
and
was
also
received,
approval
from
swiftmod
dep
do
and
fdot.
L
At
the
same
time,
we
transmitted
to
pinellas
county
and
received
unanimous
approval
from
the
planners
advisory
committee
on
january
3rd.
It
was
also
presented
to
the
county
board
and
a
recommended
county
board
recommended
in
unders
approval
on
january.
12Th
board
of
county
commissioners
also
approved
the
amendment
unanimously
on
on
february
8th
and
today
we
are
at
the
second
reading
of
the
ordinance.
L
So
this
requested
amendment
is
to
the
community
redevelopment
district
land
use
category
to
allow
density
intensity
incentive
for
mixed-use
development
that
contains
a
mix
of
residential
and
non-residential
uses
within
the
same
multi-storey
building
for
an
aerial
on
tampa
road
and
state
road
580..
L
L
Includes
the
site
next
to
the
to
the
city
hall,
washington,
square
and
oldsmar
town
center,
and
also
park
avenue
plaza.
So
these
are
the
only
areas
where
the
incentive
will
be
out
where
the
area
will
be
eligible
for
the
incentive.
L
L
As
shown
on
the
slide.
The
proposed
text
amendment
is
not
introducing
or
modifying
any
of
the
established
uses
in
the
area
and
the
density
intensity
bonus
will
be
only
applicable
to
again
tccr
town
center,
commercial
residential,
which
is
a
problem.
Approximately
40
acres
in
size,
what's
important
to
mention
on
the
slide
that
all
of
the
other
zoning
districts
will
remain
at
the
same
density
as
shown
in
table
two.
L
The
amendment
is
located
on
the
the
area
that's
eligible
for
them,
for
the
amendment
is
located
on
the
designated
multi-modal
corridor,
the
entire
segment
of
state,
road,
580
and
temple
road
adjacent
to
the
site,
operated
level
of
service
of
c.
As
shown
on
this
map
that
we
received
from
pinellas
county.
L
The
annual
average
daily
traffic
data
adts
for
tamper
road
corridor
are
approximately
fifty
seven
thousand
five
hundred
and
the
amendment
will
not
inversely
affect
the
natural
environment,
as
shown
on
this
graphic.
We're
not
introducing
density
bonus
along
shore
drive
we're
not
putting
our
residential
district
we're
not
even
putting
this
in
our
tccn
district.
This
is
proposed
in
the
tccr
along
state
street
and
tampa
road,
which
is
consistent
with
the
transect
model.
L
This
area
is
also
referred
to
as
an
infill.
Development
is
serviced
by
existing
infrastructure
and
any
future
development
in
this
area
will
be
still
required
to
receive
the
swiftmod
permit.
The
southwest
florida,
water
management
permit
and
the
environmental
resources
permit
adequate
public
facilities,
such
as
schools,
parks
and
libraries,
will
be
continuously
available
to
serve
the
property.
There
is
unused
capacity
at
the
public
schools
in
the
area
based
on
the
data
that
we
received
from
pinellas
county.
L
The
amendment
will
not
constitut
constitute
a
grant
of
special
privilege
to
an
individual
owner.
This
amendment
will
provide
the
density
incentive
to
anyone
who
meets
the
guidelines
for
a
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
located
within
the
town
center
commercial
residential
district.
As
shown
on
this
map,.
L
The
amendment
will
not
adversely
or
unreasonably
affect
the
use
of
other
property
in
the
area
vertically
integrated
mixed
use.
Development
creates
additional
housing
options
for
residents.
It
creates
diversity
in
the
community
and
reduces
cost
of
main
to
maintain
public
infrastructure.
It
reduces
environmental
footprint
and
helps
to
attract
new
employers.
L
The
amendment
will
not
deter
the
improvement
of
development
of
the
property
in
the
area.
Any
proposed
development
must
be
consistent
with
the
existing
and
planned
uses
in
the
area
and
also
consistent
with
the
county-wide
rules
proposed
text.
Amendment
would
only
be
applicable
to
the
small
area
along
major
state,
roads
and
half
of
the
subject
area.
That's
eligible
for
incentive
is
already
developed
with
newer
structures,
as
shown
in
some
of
these
pictures.
L
N
You
tatyana
you
I
may
have
to
defer
to
daniel
on
this
one,
but
just
I'll
ask
it
to
you.
First,
your
presentation
showed
that
our
water
plant
and
wastewater
plant
are
operating
somewhere
around
two-thirds
capacity
from
what
I
remember
citizens
academy
a
few
years
ago.
I'm
pretty
sure
there
was
probably
expansion
capability
at
the
reverse
osmosis
plant.
Is
there
expansion
capability
and
he's
already
getting
up
in
the
wastewater
plant
as
well.
P
Yes,
both
both
plants
have
room
to
like,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
build
a
new
plant.
They
both
have
space
to
grow
capability
within
yes,
okay,
thank
you
and
I
should
say,
like
there's
a
way
to
operationally
handle
the
increase
without
even
building
anything
like
you
would
be
running
more
hours
and
things
like
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
R
Perfect,
thank
you
jared
buckman.
You
know
I've
been
against
the
density
for
a
while.
I
live
a
block
and
a
half
away
from
this,
and
I
couldn't
just
be
against
the
density.
I
had
to
say:
what's
the
plan,
what
do
we
want
to
do?
What
do
we
want
to
do
this
area?
I
don't
know
how
to
work
the
clicker
perfect.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
previous
counselors,
the
foresight
to
get
us
this
far
mayor
eric
doug.
All
of
you
put
a
lot
of
effort
in
this.
I
applaud
that
effort.
R
The
foresight
to
control
the
land,
the
property,
the
buildings
to
get
us
to
this
point
and
the
vision
to
prevent
the
parking
concerns
that
we
believe
is
going
to
happen
similar
to
dunedin
and
safety
harbor.
But
why
do
we
need
the
density?
This
is
an
interesting
slide.
This
was
this
past
weekend
april,
2nd
around
2
30.
You
see
this
armature
works
on
the
bottom
right
of
your
top
picture.
At
the
top
I've
read
in
the
area.
That's
the
pearl
apartments
about
314
units
along
the
bottom.
R
There
you'll
see
all
the
mixed-use
development
businesses
downstairs
at
2
30
on
a
saturday
afternoon,
who's
there,
nobody
there's
no
one.
There,
everybody
was
their
armature
works.
Okay,
so
do
we
need
the
density
to
support
the
businesses
down
below?
I'm
not
sure
about
that,
and
no
density
does
not
mean
no
downtown.
I
want
a
downtown
I
want
somewhere,
where
I
can
go
a
block
and
a
half
away
from
my
house
and
have
dinner.
Have
coffee
have
donuts
have
bagels
whatever
it
may
be,
we'll
figure
all
that
out.
R
A
A
R
Sorry,
it's
either
pay
for
the
parking
garage
with
public
assistant
funds,
pulling
the
bond
or
get
the
developer
to
pay
for
it.
Those
are
the
two
options
to
build
the
parking
garage,
but
I
believe
there
are
other
options
that
we
can
look
at
secondary
problem
is:
what
do
we
want?
We've
never
asked
the
citizens.
What
do
we
want?
Do
we
want
apartments,
condos
town
homes?
Do
we
want
ownership
or
leasers
there?
R
My
personal
story,
I
moved
here
in
14,
rented
a
house
did
nothing
with
the
city
bought
my
house
in
16.
everything
leading
me
up
to
this
point:
janice
miller,
planning
board
everything
I
did
to
be
a
part
of
the
city
and
be
part
of
that
community
retail
commercial.
What
do
we
want
there?
What
do
we
want
from
a
community
green
spaces,
dog
spaces,
kids
place
places
stages.
We
haven't
had
these
discussions
with
our
citizens
or
our
businesses.
R
So
how
do
you
build
a
community?
I've
been
talking
to
this
organization
prior
to
my
election
florida
main
streets
project.
This
is
actually
a
technical
assistance
program
that
actually
helps
to
devel
redevelop,
downtown
areas
and
revitalize
downtown
areas.
R
It
encourages
that,
through
economic
development,
it's
administered
by
the
historical
society,
the
historical
resources
under
the
florida
department
of
state,
along
with
the
national
project
and
they've,
got
over
60
communities
that
they've
helped
revitalize
in
our
state
of
florida,
and
they
do
that
through
a
four-point
approach
with
economic
vitality,
design
promotion,
they
bring
the
community
together
to
build
something
that
makes
sense
for
our
community
the
mainstream
approach,
it's
a
strong
emotional,
social
and
civic
connection,
but,
most
importantly
like
we're
all
here
tonight,
motivated
to
get
involved
and
make
a
difference.
R
That's
why
we're
all
here?
So
we
got
to
take
some
outside
the
box
thinking
my
thoughts
initially.
Were
we
maneuver
resources
to
accelerate
downtown?
Can
we
do
this
without
the
density?
I
don't
know,
we
still
may
need
the
density,
but
let's
explore
other
options
before
we
start
rushing
this
through.
We
can
use
existing
infrastructure
to
accelerate
the
downtown
to
continue
the
spark
that
we
got
with
the
tap
house.
We
can
start
to
organically
grow
downtown,
offering
incentives,
moving
businesses
here,
marketing
of
the
up
and
coming
downtown.
Where
are
we
gonna?
R
Do
this
we'll
talk
about
that
here?
In
a
minute
day,
event,
second
friday
is
great.
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
chambers
event
this
coming
friday,
saturday,
sunday
daytime
events,
things
to
promote
our
city
and
bring
people
here
locally,
so
kind
of
bold
but
listen
to
me
follow
me.
Through
this
current
downtown
resources.
We
got
buildings,
we
got
existing
city
hall,
we've
got
the
bank
building
with
the
historical
society.
R
The
building
we're
in
tonight
state
street
center,
the
bay
care
building
gallery
building
in
the
bottom
floor
of
shimspine
all
available
space
currently
parking,
we
have
a
parking
garage
in
downtown
oldsmore
has
315
spaces.
We
also
have
over
300
surface
parking
spaces
for
weekend
and
evening
events
between
the
library
to
state
street.
That
does
not
include
the
library
parking
lot
and
it
does
not
include
anything
east
of
saint
pete
drive.
So
how
do
we
ignite
the
spark?
How
do
we
keep
downtown
going?
R
First
of
all,
move
city
hall,
move
it
into
the
bay
care
building
that
building
is
currently
empty.
By
moving
city
hall,
we
open
up
more
space
for
city
hall.
We
can
put
more
services
inside
of
city
hall.
We
can
move
the
council
chambers
to
the
city
hall
that
automatically
gives
us
the
parking
garage.
R
Secondly,
move
council
continuing
move
the
chamber
if
they
want
to
move
move
the
historical
society
to
the
bay
care
building
as
well.
That
opens
up
this
building
for
potential
new
spark.
What's
that
new
spark,
is
it
a
restaurant?
Is
it
a
hotel
conclusion?
It
may
not
be
the
plan
everybody
wants.
It
may
not
be
feasible,
but
I
want
to
look
at
these
options.
I
want
to
understand
them
before
we
start
rushing
through
the
density.
Thank
you.
A
O
If
I
could
just
a
point
of
order
mayor,
we
had
earlier
promised
that
parents
or
people
with
young
children
or
disabilities
could
go
first.
They
just
wanted.
G
Hi
I'm
carrie
sheets.
I
live
at
604
park
boulevard.
I
hate
going
first
because
I'm
not
good
at
speaking
and
I've
already
said
that
this
is
ezra.
We
are
against
the
density
increase.
G
I
think,
with
everything
we
started
this
meeting
and
talking
about
getting
oldsmar
safe.
First,
I
think
that
needs
to
happen
and
take
precedence.
First,
I
think
you
guys
are
laying
the
foundation
for
something
that
can
be
great
potentially
in
the
future.
I
don't
know
I
love
what
jared
had
said
and
maybe
we
can
think
outside
the
box,
and
maybe
there
are
ways
that
we
can
talk
about
this
together,
like
we're
doing
now,
not
just
as
a
finality
meeting
that
this
is.
You
know
I
feel.
G
Like
I
mean
I
live
on
park,
this
is
kind
of
going
to
decide
for
our
family.
We
don't
have
crosswalks
at
on
park.
You
know,
are
you
guys,
gonna
put
something?
That's
gonna
be
right,
basically
turn
our
street
into
a
highway
without
even
addressing
the
issues
we've
brought
before
you.
G
So
a
really,
I
guess
I'll
just
I
wish
there
were
so
many
more
things.
I
would
love
to
say
I'm
my
mom
brains,
tired,
but
I
so
appreciate
each
of
you
and
I
know
you-
you
really
work
hard
at
everything
you
do.
I
pray
that
you
consider
why
these
two
people
were
elected
to
their
positions.
I
think
there
could
have
been
better
voter
turnout.
G
A
D
Hello
again,
kristin
kilik
612
park
boulevard,
I'm
over
there
scribbling
on
crayon,
taking
some
notes
as
we
listen
to
the
presentation.
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
say
I
really
would
love
for
us
to
think
out
of
the
box.
I
think
the
florida
main
street
project
sounds
amazing.
I
would
love
to
utilize
what
we
already
have.
D
D
It
really
makes
me
nervous
for
the
amount
of
traffic
that
we
would
have
at
the
end
of
park.
Boulevard
ariel's
is
gorgeous
and
we
love
it
and
it's
a
part
of
the
reason
why
we
bought
our
house.
It
was
so
close
to
the
park
and
what
an
amazing
experience.
D
I
don't
want
to
take
that
experience
away
from
anyone
else,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
my
kids
play
on
the
sidewalk
and
ride
their
bikes
on
the
streets-
and
I
too
have
signs
that
say,
slow
down,
because
people
drive
very
fast
down
park
boulevard
that
we
are
fully
exploring
all
the
options
that
we
have
available
to
us
density
increase
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
we
can't
have
a
vibrant
downtown.
Just
like
what
it
was
said.
D
I
had
questions,
I'm
a
teacher,
so
I
had
some
questions
about
the
amount
of
children
that
would
be
entering
specifically
oldsmar
elementary
because
we
spoke
about
how
both
schools
zoned
for
oldsmar
had
not
quite
the
attendance
you
know
like
60,
I
believe,
was
what
was
quoted
last
time.
The
density
increase
would
not
affect
forest
hills.
D
The
children
within
that
block
would
be
directly
affecting
oldsmar
elementary.
So
while
we
look
at
the
fact
that
both
schools
have
openings
really,
what
would
be
more
affected
would
be
oldsmore
elementary.
The
density
increase
and
the
amount
of
children
who
go.
You
know
who
are
living
in
these
apartments
or
town
homes
or
like
jared
said:
we've
actually
never
even
spoken
about
that,
but
those
children
would
not
most
likely
be
bust
across
the
street
at
the
expense
of
pinellas
county
schools.
D
D
So
when
we
think
about
this
in
an
educational
aspect,
I
know
that
I've
worked
in
a
school
that
has
had
1300,
kids
and
a
school
that
has
had
800
kids
and,
as
a
teacher
I
prefer
the
800
kids,
because
you
can
do
more
with
the
smaller
class
sizes,
and
I
just
I'm
worried
because
I
love
oldsmar
elementary
school.
I
love
the
teachers
there,
the
atmosphere,
it's
a
wonderful
school
and
I
know
forest
lakes
is
as
well,
but
forest
lakes
is
not
the
school
that
will
be
affected
by
this
density
increase.
D
We
really
need
to
explore
our
options
more
and
have
clear
communication
about
all
of
these
things.
Like
many
many
people
have
said,
we
don't
think
that
density
or
I'm
sorry,
that
the
having
a
downtown
is
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
whether
that
comes
with
density
or
not,
but
the
excess
of
density,
I
think,
is
something
that
really
scares
residents,
especially
who
live
so
close
to
downtown.
So
I
thank
you
have
a
great
night
bye-bye.
Thank
you.
G
C
My
name
is
jake
sheets.
I
live
at
604
park,
I'm
carrie's
husband.
This
is
my
daughter
eris,
we're
very
happy
to
be
here.
We
are
opposed
as
well
to
the
density
increase.
Primarily,
it's
already
been
said,
a
lot
of
it
on
previous
meetings
and
this
earlier
in
this
meeting.
The
safety
issue
is
a
newly
highlighted,
but
a
long-running
issue-
and
I
think,
has
been
you
know
spoken
about
to
a
sufficient
point
so
far,
but
there's
also
just
the
considerations
that
jared
brought
up
like
what
do
we
want?
C
What
are
the
alternatives?
Have
we
really
vetted
all
of
the
possibilities,
and
I
know
that
in
terms
of
developing
or
attracting
developers,
adding
that
additional
incentive
density
is
a
surefire
way
to
get
more
interest.
You
know,
because
everyone's
going
to
want
to
pack
more
people
in
that's
just
how
the
business
works,
but
you
can
rest
assured,
even
though
the
presentation
said
it's
an
incentive
and
you
have
to
have
a
plan,
you
have
to
have
all
these
things
to
qualify
for
the
density
increase.
It's
going
to
happen.
It's
a
sure
thing.
C
I
don't
foresee
any
any
situation
where
an
acceptable
increase
of
65
is
met
by
like
no
no
I'll
take
50.
50
is
fine
because
economically
for
the
developer,
it's
always
going
to
be
better
for
them
to
go
more.
So
I
think,
but
it's
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
to
give
the
density
before
we
have
a
plan.
C
So
the
other
thing
we
all
know
we
have
a
jewel
of
city,
there's
a
lot
of
potential
here
and
so
often
with
jewels.
The
most
beautiful
setting
is
the.
C
G
Chilly
in
here,
my
name
is
melissa,
cuomo
and
I
live
at
301
park
boulevard.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
daniel
simpson
for
the
presentation
regarding
the
complete
streets
program
on
st
p
drive.
It
was
clear
and
easy
to
understand,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
G
The
safety
of
our
streets
and
the
density
issue
go
hand
in
hand.
At
this
point.
Everyone
in
this
room
knows
my
stance,
but
I'm
going
to
reiterate
it
anyway,
I'm
against
the
density
increase,
but
that
does
not
mean
I'm
against
a
viable
walkable
downtown
for
all
of
the
citizens,
and
I
agree
with
vice
mayor
buckman
that
there
are
other
ways
that
we
can
go
about
this.
G
G
The
election
results
show
what
the
residents
of
old
mar
want.
No
density
increase
mayor,
soraki
and
vice
mayor
buckman
won
this
election
based
on
their
stance
about
this
issue
and
during
the
march
20
22
sorry
march,
22nd
meeting
vice
mayor
buckman
laid
out
a
motion
to
have
a
discussion
about
taking
this
public
hearing
off
of
the
agenda
for
tonight,
and
no
one
wanted
to
even
have
a
discussion.
G
We
elected
everyone
on
this
council.
I
voted
for
everyone
on
this
council
to
be
our
representatives
to
be
our
voice.
How
can
you
be
our
voice
when
you
silence
us
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
about
this
issue.
I've
spoken
to
a
lot
of
people,
I've
gone
door
to
door
and
council
members
would
rather
argue
semantics
than
have
a
genuine
conversation.
G
G
G
How
can
we
increase
the
school
population
for
one
school
when
we
don't
have
crosswalks?
We
don't
even
have
an
updated
map
for
people
east
of
the
elementary
school.
How
can
we
add
more
students,
more
people
that
will
be
traveling
on
our
roads
and
be
walkers
when
there
are
glaring
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed?
G
This
density
increase
affects
me
personally.
My
husband
has
owned
our
house
since
2009.
This
is
my
children's
only
home.
I
live
one
block
from
state
street.
My
children
go
to
oldsmar
elementary,
I'm
on
the
pta
board.
I
volunteer.
I'm
there
every
single
day
my
husband
and
I
have
been
told
if
you
don't
like
it
move.
G
My
answer
is
no.
I
have
put
in
the
work
to
make
my
voice
heard
solve
the
current
problems.
Our
community
today
in
2022
is
not
the
same
that
it
was
pre-covered
in
march
of
2020..
Think
outside
of
the
box
change
your
perspective
and
look
at
this
from
another
point
of
view.
Vote
no
for
this
density
increase.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
we're
going
to
move
on
the
open,
open
public
hearing
and
now
we're
going
to
move
to
proponents
and
opponents.
Let's
hear
from
somebody
that
is,
for
the
density
increase,
jim.
C
Jim
ronniker
1605
graybark
drive
oldsmar
I've.
I
moved
to
oldsmore
in
1997.,
we
built
our
house
at
east.
Like
oaks
mayor,
you
live
there
too.
When
we
moved
here,
oldsmar
was
a
shell
of
itself.
There
was.
There
was,
I
think,
one
one
grocery
store,
which
was
winn-dixie.
There
was
maybe
four
or
five
restaurants.
C
There
were
no
shops,
you
went
to
work,
you
came
home
and
you
had
to
leave
if
you
wanted
to
go
shopping
or
eat
out.
Otherwise
you
were
just
eating
at
the
three
restaurants
or
four
restaurants.
We
had
things
have
come
a
long
way
since
then
in
1978
I
joined
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
it
was
during
that
time
we
started
having
discussions
with
the
city
for
downtown
for
a
vibrant
downtown.
C
R
C
Was
similar
to
ours,
we
went
there
and
we
actually
walked
the
streets
of
the
city
to
see
it
was
the
same
kind
of
you
know,
residencies
and
things
of
that
nature.
Everything
was
very
similar
and
this
plan
has
been
going
on.
Like
I
said
for
26
years,
I
I'm
a
little
confused
because
I've
never
seen
I've
never
seen
a
council
member
come.
C
That's
that's
the
first
and
I've
been
in
hundreds
of
council
meetings.
I've
sat
on
the
penal
planning
council,
I've
sat
on
the
promise,
npo
and
I've
sat
leading
the
city
for
hundreds
of
meetings.
I've
never
seen
that
before
I
don't
even
know.
If
that's
right
but
you're,
the
mayor,
you
can
do
what
you
want
this.
This
fear-mongering
is
just
ridiculous.
C
C
If
you
talk
to
a
realtor
that
puts
a
listing
out
in
12
hours,
they
have
20
offers
most
of
them
over
asking
price,
so
the
density
is
needed.
I
totally
support
it
and
I
encourage
you
all
to
vote
for
it.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
you're
not
doing
anything
right
away
until
the
development
agreement
is
made.
So
please
vote
for
it.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do.
Thank
you.
A
K
For
as
much
as
that
right,
I
think
I'd
be
better
at
speaking.
Justin
cuomo
301
park
boulevard.
K
K
K
K
Over
the
past
year,
I've
said
all
I
can
say,
I've
written
all.
I
can
write
and
I've
spoken
to
nearly
everybody
on
the
council
with
passion,
insight
and
fear.
I've
done
all
I
could
do
to
protect
my
home.
My
neighborhood
from
the
single
most
radical
thing
that
could
ever
happen
one
block
from
my
front.
K
The
council
wants
to
listen
to
businesses.
Oldsmar
is
made
up
of
thriving
businesses
from
tampa
to
eastlake
businesses
that
will
continue
to
thrive.
Whether
or
not
tonight's
votes
passes
instead
think
about
the
people
who
will
be
affected.
The
most
homeowners,
families
and
people
who've
lived
in
this
town
for
generations.
K
I
firmly
believe
that
businesses
in
our
town
will
succeed,
regardless
of
what
happens
on
a
small
section
of
state
street.
I've
seen
it
happen,
but
what
I
haven't
seen
is
a
council
that
was
motivated
enough
to
provide
that
first
push
and
utilize.
What
we
already
have
to
work
with
oldsmar
is
still
growing,
and
I
fully
support
having
a
bigger
community,
but
why
right
here
and
why
now?
K
K
Look
at
the
past
two
years.
The
world
has
changed,
housing
has
changed.
Florida
is
in
a
housing
crisis
and
we're
concerned
that
we
couldn't
develop
mixed-use
housing,
which
is
crazy,
reach
out
on
a
national
scale
today
and
tell
the
developers
that
we're
offering
30
upa
for
mixed-use
residency,
I
think
you'll
get
some
leads.
K
K
I
would
rather
keep
waiting
on
the
right
developer
and
the
right
opportunity
that
would
give
state
street
what
it
really
needs
and
I'd
rather
do
it
in
a
way
that
doesn't
change
the
character
of
tampa
bay's
best
kept
secret
if
business
owners
and
existing
developers
want
to
invest
and
be
part
of
state
street,
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is
and
invest
as
it
stands
today,
there's
plenty
of
room
for
a
new
restaurant,
a
new
brewery.
I'd
go
for
that!
K
K
B
B
I'm
only
going
to
make
a
few
comments
tonight,
mr
mayor
and
council
and
our
charter
officials.
I
am
on
vacation
right
now
over
at
the
hard
rock
my
family
was
there
I
said:
listen
I
have
to
come
over
for
a
moment
and
you
all
notice,
I'm
a
little
more
tan
than
I've
been.
B
I
want
to
thank
some
of
you
for
that.
Not
so
much
but
okay,
all
joking
is
sad
all.
Joking
aside,
I
do
want
to
comment
on
one
thing
based
on
the
presentation
tonight,
which
I
thought
was
perfect
timing,
especially
why
all
of
us
are
heartbroken
and
concerned
about
the
safety
in
the
community,
and
I
think
it's
relatable
as
to
how
this
impacts
that,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
council
members
who
are
up
here-
the
vice
mayor,
wasn't
here
yet,
but
who
all
voted
in
favor
back
in
2021
to
fund
that
to
move
that
forward.
B
Envisioning
all
the
pieces
coming
together
later
because
this
downtown
that
we're
we're
talking
about
density,
we're
not
even
talking
about
a
project
right
now.
Right
this,
you
don't
even
see
a
shovel
in
dirt
for
like
two
years,
two
and
a
half
years
from
now.
That
stuff
will
be
done
by
then,
or
at
least
that's
the
plan.
B
So
I'm
here
tonight
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
density
and
here's
why,
over
the
years,
the
taxpayers
paid
for
the
land-
and
we
decided
that
this
is
where
we
wanted
to
put
a
downtown
and
for
20
plus
years,
we've
talked
about
building
a
downtown.
We've
done
all
kinds
of
focus
groups.
Each
mayor
can
probably
talk
about
something.
That's
been
done
during
their
time
to
get
more
input
from
the
community.
But
I
appreciate
buckman's
presentation
tonight,
although
it
is
kind
of
a
special
privilege
there.
B
I
thought
but
hey
that's
the
way
it
goes,
but
we've
had
multiple
proposals
over
the
years
and
from
viable
developers
and
every
proposal
that
we've
had
that
we've
ever
received
would
have
required
a
density
change
and-
and
I
have
to
tell
you-
I
think
it
leads
to
one
truth,
and
that
is
that
if
all
of
them
would
have
required
a
density
change,
eventually
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
density
change
or
be
creative
and
maybe
look
at
it
as
a
density
incentive.
B
So
I
think
for
a
council
and
I'm
here
as
a
taxpayer,
that
you
have
really
two
options.
If
you
sincerely
want
to
have
a
downtown
right
and
you've
got
option,
one
that
you
go,
it
alone,
you
be
the
developer
right,
I
mean
you
develop
the
land,
you
don't
rely
on
a
developer,
you
call
the
shots
and
and
that's
fine,
but
there's
a
problem
with
that,
and
that
is
like,
even
even
some
of
the
things
that
the
vice
mayor
talked
about
you're
talking
about
25,
30
million
dollars,
which
is
what's
estimated
to
do.
B
That
to
do
it
on
your
own
and
you
take
on
all
the
risk.
That's
not
a
smart
place,
especially
in
a
city,
our
budget's
36
million
dollars
a
year
you're
going
to
take
on
that
much
debt
and
the
risk,
and
I
love
our
staff.
They
do
a
great
job
but
they're,
not
developers,
and
I
think
it
would
build
a
ghost
town
and
so
your
other
option
we
know
building
costs,
continue
to
go
up
so
past.
Proposals
from
developers
to
proposals
in
the
future
are
not
likely
to
look
any
different.
B
B
It's
not
a
card
blanche
change.
It
gives
the
city
more
control,
it
gives
them
more
ability
to
negotiate
and
it
gives
the
quite
frankly
puts
the
citizens
more
in
charge
to
say:
listen,
we
don't
want
more
office
space.
We
want
this
and
if
you
do
so
you're
going
to
have
the
privilege
of
putting
in
more
units
that
we
need
here
any
anyhow,
and
it
also
means
that
it's
not
going
to
create
a
massive
tax
burden
for
the
citizens.
B
That
is
a
mistake.
It's
just
a
big
mistake,
but
using
an
incentive,
it's
a
very
creative
way
to
still
stay
in
control.
It
does
not
approve
any
project.
You
may
decide
that
the
woodfield
project
is
not
the
project
for
you.
That
discussion
is
about
to
happen.
I
think
there
might
be
other
proposals
that
come
in.
I
think
there
will
be
maybe
they're
better.
That's
always
been
the
hope
here,
and
so
that's
the
decision
you
have
to
make
tonight.
B
If
you
want
a
downtown
right-
and
I
just
got
to
say
this-
I
want
to
appreciate
everybody
who's
come
up
here
and
said
that
the
reason
that
I
wasn't
re-elected
was
because
of
density,
because
I
thought
that
actually,
after
nine
years
there
were
a
few
folks
who
don't
like
me.
Clearly,
that's
not
the
case.
B
B
F
Good
evening,
city
council,
thank
you
for
this
time
to
speak,
first-time
speaker,
steve,
hamm,
610
shore
drive
east,
been
there
four
years
actually
moved
from
safety,
harbor
to
oldsmar
and
one
of
the
best
decisions
we
made
as
a
family
love
the
town.
It's
great,
I
usually
my
past
experience
is
in
business,
so
I
try
to
boil
things
down
to
the
simplest
terms
possible
and
really
what
are
we
talking
about
and
what
are
we
trying
to
get
to?
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
So
again,
I
think
that
if
you,
if
you
look
at
this-
and
you
boil
it
down,
this
is
a
pretty
easy
decision
on
the
part
of
council.
The
election
results
speak
for
themselves
and
thank
you
all
for
my
time
this
evening.
B
Vince
albanese
404
jefferson,
avenue
south
of
re
redoing
that
home
here
I'm
an
example
of
I'm,
for
I
heard
clearly
heard
tatiana
say
she
needed
tools
tonight
and
in
my
opinion
the
incentive
is
simply
a
tool
and
I
have
confidence.
I
know
all
of
you
that
you
guys
and
it
will
do
the
right
thing
on
behalf
of
the
city
if
you
have
the
right
tools,
but
the
density
is
simply
one
of
those
tools
that
I
don't
want
to
take
away.
B
I've
got
some
march
28,
tampa
bay,
business
journal,
atlanta-based,
copland
paid
405
000
per
unit
for
an
apartment
complex
in
tampa
last
week,
all
right,
400
000
per
unit.
We
can't
move
into
this
home
because
and
I'll
say
on
the
public
record,
I'm
the
worst
home
remodeler
on
the
planet,
my
wife
honey.
If
you're
watching
it's
on
the
record,
all
right,
so
we
had
to
move.
There
is
no
place
to
live
in
oldsmar.
B
So
where
did
we
go?
We're
in
hillsborough
county
we're
at
the
mark
in
highland
park?
Eighteen
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
a
two
bedroom?
I
had
to
renew
it
because
I
am
the
worst
remodeler.
It's
twenty.
Seven
hundred
dollars
a
month
now
for
a
year
lease
there
right,
it's
it's
thirty,
five,
thirty,
four
3
400
and
there's
a
500
cost
to
get
on
the
wait
list.
I
want
to
live
in
oldsmar.
I
spent
20
years
in
east
lake
woodlands.
B
Our
dream
was
to
move
here
and
we
finally
have
the
opportunity
to
do
it,
but
there's
no
place
for
us
to
go
right
now
on
npr
march
29th
there's
never
been.
This
is
the
worst
shortage
of
homes.
In
the
united
states
history,
there
were
three
million
homes.
Short
housing
prices
are
up:
20
percent
the
head,
robert
dietz,
chicken
economic
economist
with
the
national
association
of
homebuilders,
says
we
need
more
attached,
townhouses,
smaller
homes
on
less
land,
but
many
places
zoning
rules
won't
let
you
buy
land
and
divide
it
up.
B
Overly
restrictive
zoning
is
a
big
problem
nationally.
This
is
not
a
free
market
choice.
It's
a
government
opposed
rule.
He
closes
by
saying
nimby
opposition,
not
in
my
backyard.
Opposition
stops
higher
density
units
from
being
built
existing
home
owners
who
don't
want
more
traffic,
keep
outdated,
exclusionary
zoning
rules
in
place.
B
So
I
believe
that
that's
the
problem
in
oldsmar-
and
I
think-
and
I
heard
a
great
presentation
tonight-
I
think
we
should
explore
every
opportunity.
The
city
will
do
that.
I
also
heard
you
say
we
might
need
density
tonight
so
put
the
tool
in
the
in
the
box
is
my
opinion
and
I'm
confident
in
every
one
of
you
extremely
confident
in
our
city
manager
and
tatiana
and
the
rest
of
the
group
here
that
they
will
do
the
right
thing
to
make
something
attractive.
B
My
final
point:
almost
everything
we
hear
about
here.
Why
is
there
a
delay
in
getting
the
traffic
problem
fixed?
It's
because
of
money,
and
the
one
thing
to
not
overlook
is
going
to
be
the
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
in
tax
revenue
generated
from
people
living,
downtown
and
money
fixes
these
problems.
So
that's
my
opinion.
B
B
The
density
intensity
bonus
is
what
I'm
really
against
in
this
whole
thing.
I
don't
even
like
those
words:
they
don't
sound
good.
It
sounds
bad,
but
let's
talk
about
traffic,
you
know,
we've
been
talking
about
traffic,
you
know
the
the
study
says
and
I'm
assuming
that
this
was
all
before
the
rezoning
is
taking
place
tonight.
These
traffic
studies
come
in
so
we're
going
to
have
959
available
parking
spots.
850
of
them
are
going
to
be
in
a
garage.
B
109
of
them
are
going
to
be
on
the
street
two
accesses
yeah,
that's
subject
to
change,
one
to
washington,
avenue
you
go
north.
You
have
to
take
a
right
turn
onto
tampa
road.
The
only
other
way
to
get
out
of
this
town
is
through
these
residential
streets
to
the
south
that
don't
meet
your
code.
Maybe
park
boulevard.
Does
a
code
okay
park
boulevard?
Does
washington
probably
does
bayview?
B
Probably
does
you're
also
probably
going
to
create
a
problem
at
oakwood,
because
if
people
going
out
by
jack
willie's
to
that
traffic
light
and
trying
to
get
out
on
the
roads
in
the
morning
they're
going
to
get
tired
of
the
backups,
you
get
a
huge
back
up
there.
Now
you're
going
to
have
you're
going
to
create
more
problems.
There,
310
residential
units
figure
two
cars
per
unit,
even
if
you
figured
one
and
a
half
cars
per
unit.
You
know
you
got
five
to
600
vehicles
for
residents
there
you
got
850
in
a
garage.
B
According
to
the
study
that
we
had
done
for
the
downtown
redevelopment,
now
that's
weekends,
so
it
doesn't
leave
you
a
lot
of
parking.
Okay,
you
have
837
peak
demand
during
the
day
during
the
week.
Still
doesn't
leave
you
a
lot.
What
happens
to
the
existing
residents
that
may
want
to
come
up
here,
we're
going
to
walk
from
all
the
way
down
it
by
the
power
plant?
What
about
the
people
in
other
parts
of
the
community
that
want
to
come
here?
You're
not
supporting
the
people
that
can
be
here
with
that,
just
a
lot
of
it.
B
The
parking
lot
at
city
hall,
that's
going
to
become
an
exit
everything's
coming
out
onto
state
street
by
the
own
traffic
counts
for
the
public,
for
the
open
houses
on
the
other
development
project.
The
state
roads
are
all
level
of
service
f,
you
can't
get
any
worse.
Well,
I
guess
you
can.
We
can
dump
a
whole
lot
more
on
there,
we're
not
going
to
solve,
unfortunately,
with
310
units,
the
the
housing
shortage
in
the
state
of
florida
right
now
being
in
oldsmar.
That's
just
we're
just
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
B
We
are
going
to
create
additional
long-term
problems
for
the
existing
residents
and
the
new
residents
bring
all
of
these
community
roads
up
to
standards.
Somebody
talked
about
I'll,
buy
a
stop
sign.
If
you'll.
Let
me
I'll
go
put
it
up
against
the
muctd,
because
yeah
for
a
million
dollars
for
I'm
not
in
favor
of
the
roundabout
I'll,
tell
you
that
I
think
they
they
create
issues
problems
they
spread.
The
footprint
out.
I
came
home
from
the
port
of
tampa
today.
B
Coming
down
through
the
border
city
by
water
works
through
the
roundabouts
down
through
there
people
trying
to
cross
the
roads
they
they
can't
get
across
the
intersections.
They
just
can't
do
it.
It
creates
more
issues
because
people
are
trying
to
get
out
faster,
look
at
what
we're
gonna
do
in
the
long
term,
all
eight
all
all
of
the
development,
all
of
the
the
is
is
great,
but
we're
doing
another
one,
that's
beautiful.
Without
that
type
of
increase
in
density,
it
can
be
done.
B
We
had
a
nice
downtown
area
started
here
at
one
time,
because
we
got
a
little
aggressive
years
ago
with
what
we
were
going
to.
Let
people
put
in
and
do
this
and
that
we
chased
them
out
hell.
You
tore
down
my
favorite
pizza
place
to
make
room
for
other
ones.
You
do
need
one
thing
to
bring
development
in
land
and
that
we've
got,
but
we
don't
have
to
be
in
a
hurry
for
it.
S
S
And
the
reason
for
that
is
because
I
think
we
need
to
have
representation
from
both
sides,
and
I
think
if
this
council
was
made
up
of
everybody
who
agreed
with
density
or
everybody
who
agreed
with
no
density,
that
there
would
be
a
very
lopsided
community
of
being
happy
and
unhappy,
and
I
think
by
bringing
in
people
who
aren't
necessarily
for
it,
we
might
be
able
to
balance
that
out
and
come
up
with
solutions
that
make
more
people
happy
than
not
standing
here
or
sitting
here
today.
S
S
S
J
My
name
is
sophie
weining.
I
live
at
dover,
court
2013
and.
J
On
that,
my.
H
Point
is
that
why
can't
we
just
listen
to
what
majority
of.
G
The
people
would
like
to
do
in
udanda
and
who
actually
live
there,
because
they
are
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
affected
the
most.
If
anybody
wants
to
go
to
high
density
or
busy
places,
there
is
so
many
other
places
to
go.
Any
anybody
around
us
does
the
same
thing
have
the
same
thing:
tom
padani,
doing
safety
harbor,
clear
water.
It's
all
the
same.
Why
do
we
have
to
follow
it,
and
why
can
we
just
different
and
and
remain
a
little
juror
here?
Why.
C
And
I
think
our
priorities.
S
Fine,
oh
yeah.
I
found
this
intrigue
the
article
interesting
because
these
are
these
are
not
my
words.
These
are
words
of
planners
and
they
somewhat
mimicked.
The
explanation
that
I
gave
with
the
box
and
the
larger
balls
and
the
golf
balls
as
joe
zender
chief
planner
for
portland
oregon's
bureau
of
planning
and
sustainability
says
again.
These
are
their
words
and
not
mine.
If
the
house
size
is
the
same,
why
do
you
care
how
many
units
are
in
it
again?
Those
are
their
words.
S
Mayor
saraki
on
the
campaign
trail
continued
to
reiterate
that
if
you're
going
to
put
65
balls
in
the
box,
where
you
have
30
balls,
that
the
box
has
to
get
taller,
and
that
in
fact
is
not
the
case,
that
has
never
been
the
case.
It's
been
discussed
at
the
planning
board,
it's
been
discussed
at
many
boards
and
that
the
box
is
not
getting
bigger.
As
this
gentleman
indicated,
if
you
want
more
density,
use
smaller
balls,
I
think
it
was
great
that
you
came
together
in
unified
and
voted
five
to
nothing
to
move
it
forward.
S
I
also
think
it's
great
that
we
heard
about
the
library
property
we're
kind
of
following
behind
that.
It
was
great
to
hear
that
a
piece
of
property
that
we
own,
that
has
a
development
agreement,
and
we
heard
the
steps
that
the
city
manager
mentioned
in
that
development
agreement.
Why
do
we
have
that
control
because
we
own
the
property
we
own?
What
can
go
on
there
and
by
no
means
does
approving
this
density
mean
that
we're
any
closer
to
a
site
plan?
It's
been
said
by
mayor
seidel.
S
S
My
thought
is
that
this
council
votes
and
unifies
to
move
forward
with
the
density,
as
vince
said,
to
give
us
another
tool
in
the
toolbox.
Then
the
next
step
is
to
work
as
a
council
with
the
community
to
develop
a
site
plan
that
works
well
with
the
community.
It
provides
the
things
that
they
want.
The
walkable
safe
community,
that's
safe
for
our
friends.
If
it
doesn't
do
that,
we
don't
approve
it
and
we
move
on
to
another
developer.
S
I
don't
care
if
it's
wood
field
or
what
it
is,
but
obviously
for
25
years
with
this
lower
density,
that
we
have
not
gotten
that
and
so,
and
I
also
want
to
add
this.
S
I
was
an
elected
official
for
10
years
in
this
city
and
six
years
in
mayor
as
mayor
of
this
city,
and
I
had
nothing
but
pride
for
this
city
in
this
community.
I
had
no
ulterior
motive
and
I
will
tell
you
this.
For
the
past
four
months
and
I've
kind
of
remained
quiet,
council,
member
soraki's
campaign
manager
and
campaign
team
came
after
me
and
eric
seidel
relentlessly.
S
S
I
will
read
you
the
letter
from
the
person
he
talked
to,
while
dan
soraki
was
campaigning
for
mayor
raising
oldsmar
in
february
2002.
He
spoke
to
this
resident
and
I'll
submit
this
for
the
record.
He
said
eric
eric
seidel's
intent
were
to
change
the
zoning
to
put
up
12-story
buildings
all
the
way
to
the
post
office.
A
H
Before
we
start
dave
mcdonald
pointed
out
something
about
the
safety
and
he
told
the
story
about
the
kids
crossing
the
street.
That
was
my
grandson's
group.
He
could
have
been
one
of
the
kids
run
over.
I
was
shocked
to
hear
that
it's
just
crazy,
so
we
need
to
do
something
about
that
now
and
just
one
other
thing
at
the
beginning,
because
I'm
confused
about
this
and
somebody
up
there
can
tell
me
the
answer
in
other
council
meetings.
If
you
go
back
and
look,
are
we
in
negotiations
with
woodfield
right
now?
H
Now,
okay,
all
right!
So
let
me
just
read
my
thing
then,
as
you
know,
I
always
be
speaking
against
density,
but
in
reality
I
don't
really
like
that
phrase,
because
I
don't
like
using
the
word
against
it's
just
negative.
I
would
prefer
to
put
it
like
this.
I
am
in
favor
of
a
walkable
downtown
that
is
not
encumbered
with
too
much
traffic
and
without
apartments.
H
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
history
of
this
journey
in
my
mind's
eye
covered
really
put
a
damper
on
things
because
I
used
to
come
to
all
the
city
council,
many
city
council
meetings
during
code.
I
didn't
come
at
all
and
I
I
really
watched
them
online,
I'm
sorry
to
say,
because
attending
these
meetings
is
my
primary
way
of
finding
out.
H
What's
going
on
in
the
city,
I've
seen
many
renderings
over
the
years,
many
of
which
I
really
liked
during
that
time
of
seeing
all
these
different
models,
I
don't
recall
anyone
ever
using
the
word
density
or
increasing
density,
and
maybe
it's
my
mistake
and
it
could
be
or
density
incentive.
I've
never
heard
it
until
woodfield
came
along.
H
So
if
it
happened
before,
I
didn't
know
about
it,
but
getting
back
to
the
story
when
former
mayor
seidel
posted
the
woodfield
vision
on
his
facebook
page
last
year
sometime,
I
felt
like
it
was
a
bait
and
switch
because
I
was
expecting
these
really
cool
models
and
what
I
got
was
a
giant
apartment
building
now
I
know
you
all
say
it's
mixed
use
and
it
is
mixed
use,
but
from
a
perspective
of
maybe
driving
along
tampa
road,
it
looks
like
an
apartment
building.
H
So
if
you're
trying
to
encourage
people
to
visit
they're
seeing
an
apartment
building,
I
asked
all
of
you
to
use
your
right
brain
thinking,
skills
that
was
me
back
six
or
seven
months
ago.
Thank
you
jared
for
doing
that,
and
maybe
his
proposal
up
here
it
was
very
interesting.
Maybe
his
proposal
won't
work.
Maybe
it
will
my
thought
on.
It
is
take
what
we
have
now,
maybe
use
part
of
his
jared's
suggestions.
I
don't
know
if
it'll
work,
we
have
things
in
place
right
now.
H
If
we
can
hear
me
out
on
this
everybody,
if
we
can
take
what
we
have
now
and
build
it
up
and
I'm
not
sure
how,
but
if
we
can
do
it,
would
we
not
create
a
scenario
where
other
developers
would
want
to
build
next
to
city
hall
if
there
were
a
bunch
of
businesses
down
at
the
saint
pete
state
street
interchange,
and
that
was
a
thriving
little
place
in
there
with
restaurants
and
stuff?
H
Wouldn't
that
not
encourage
other
developers
just
a
thought,
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
dan
and
jared
got
elected
because
people
don't
want
density,
that's
my
opinion.
Nonetheless,
some
of
you
are
going
to
vote
for
density.
I'm
sorry!
I
think
you
should
listen
to
the
people
and
try
to
use
your
right
brain
thinking
a
little
bit
more.
Really,
you
guys
are
smart.
You
can
do
this.
You
go
girls
where's,
mr
roniker.
I
know
he
put
a
lot
of
work
into
the
city
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
he
did,
but.
H
I
don't
know
whether
he's
disconnected,
but
most
people
still
don't
know
what
happens
in
the
city
and
we've
been
doing
this
for
20
years.
Oh
my
god,
there's
plenty
of
time.
Everybody
should
know
they
don't
know.
I've
been
door-to-door.
People
still
don't
know,
and
I
appreciate
the
large
turnout
we
had
in
the
election
2700
people
out
of
15
000,
that's
not
a
lot
and
that's
on
you
guys
to
figure
out
how
to
make
that
happen.
How
to
increase
that,
because
nobody
knows
I'm,
I'm
telling
you.
I
speak
to
a
lot
of
people.
H
A
density
in
oh,
I
went
to
the
the
library
and
talked
to
felicia
at
the
black
box
theater
project
and
the
thing
that
caught
my
eye
was
the
board.
Remember
I
asked
you
to
borrow
it
and
it
said
development
6.22
acres.
H
H
I
know
there's
people
that
own
businesses
here
and
they're
super
excited
about
the
density,
but
in
your
own
minds,
think
about
why
you
go
to
a
business.
Thank
you.
A
C
H
D
C
N
B
I
C
S
S
C
N
E
E
C
C
C
C
C
C
A
N
N
You
know,
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
do.
Let's
stop
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
move
to
the
next
stage
of
the
game.
F
Hello,
my
name
is
tj
murphy.
I
live
on
fairfield.
In
dartmouth,
I've
been
living
here
38
years,
I
basically
moved
to
oldsmar
is
to
get
away
from
density
and
I
realized
there
is
change.
There
is
growth.
You
know
I
used
to
party
up
here
back
in
the
70s
when
there
was
nobody
up
here
in
the
canals
and
that's
what
made
osmar
so
eclectic.
So
when
I
came
back
here,
you
know
when
I
moved
back
here
many
years
ago.
This
is
where
I
want
to
raise
my
family.
I
love
oldsmar.
F
I
know
it's
going
to
grow
and
needs
to
grow
but
needs
to
grow
smart.
These
grow
smart
because
we
have
something
in
oldsmar
that
very
few
places
have
in
in
this
county
or
anywhere
in
this
part
of
florida.
We
have
land,
we've
got
a
bunch
of
it
and
it's
worth
a
whole
lot
of
money.
So
do
something
really
cool
with
it.
Okay,
you
talk
about
density.
You
don't
need
the
density
to
drive
that
downtown.
F
F
If
I
want
density
I'll
go
to
st
petersburg
and
have
condos
that
I
can
look
up
and
walk,
walk
down
central
avenue
like
this
now,
where
there
used
to
be
little
eclectic
shops
everywhere,
they're
just
being
slammed
down
going
up.
I
go
to
ibor
city.
That's
what
we
need
here.
What
does
the
northeast
do
where
in
the
northeast
anybody
from
the
northeast?
Okay,
they
ban
walmarts,
they
ban
all
these
giant
shopping
centers
because
they
keep
it
eclectic.
They
keep
it
small
and
their
downtowns
thrive.
F
They
thrive
because
they
build
cool
little
restaurants
and
cool
little
shops.
That
people
want
to
see
and
that's
that's
what
you
need
to
do.
We
need
to
have
something
really
neat.
I
like
I
said
I
live
right
over
here.
I
run
these
streets.
I've
run
these
streets
for
40
years,
okay,
they're
dangerous
to
run
now
and
they're
going
to
be
more
dangerous.
I
have
a
neighbor
lives
across
the
street
from
me
across
the
street
of
dartmouth.
Okay,
I
have
to
be
careful
walking
across
the
street
right
now
and
it
hasn't
even
begun.
F
You
haven't
even
slammed
all
these
apartment
complexes
on
top
of
us
to
where
they
will
take
a
right
on
dartmouth.
They
will
use
that
as
a
speedway,
because
it's
happening
now,
it's
happening
now.
Okay,
it's
funny
all
the
people
that
are
pro
density,
don't
live
in
this
little
group.
I
don't
know
how
many
I
don't
know
how
many
streets
there
are
right
here
in
this
little
pet.
That
really
really
really
really
affects.
F
It
really
affects
okay,
the
people
who
want
this
the
density
and
want
this
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
profit
off
of
it
because
they're
going
to
put
a
business
there
and
we
need
this.
So
I
can
drive
my
pizza,
parlor
and
stuff
like
that.
No,
you
don't
live
here.
You
don't
live
here.
You
don't
live
where
it's
going
to
affect.
Where
I'm
walking
every
day.
F
We
have
something
very
special
in
oldsmar,
okay,
it's
so
quaint
and
eclectic
okay,
we're
kind
of
the
forgotten
community.
Okay.
Let's
not
ruin
it,
let's
not
ruin
it.
Okay,
don't
give
away
that
land.
Somebody
will
develop
it
the
right
way.
Okay,
so
I
forget
who
mentioned
this.
He
goes
how
much
money
do
you
have
to
make?
Okay?
How
much
I'm
not
a
developer?
I
don't
know,
but
I
guarantee
it
it's
a
lot
less
than
they
want
to
do.
F
J
Hello,
everybody,
I've
already
congratulated
you
and
you
know
mayor's
height,
mayor
soraki
and
vice
mayor
buckman,
and
I
apologize
katie.
I
am
so
sorry
I
texted
them,
and
I
am
so
sorry.
Congratulations!
Thank
you.
It
just
slipped
my
mind,
okay,
so
I
am
linda
norris
and
I
live
at
510,
oakwood
boulevard.
I
bought
my
house
22
years
ago
and
I
understand
all
y'all
that
live
on
park
and
and
live
downtown,
because
when
I
bought
my
house
I
was
surrounded
by
probably
20
acres
and
there
were
two
houses,
mine
and
rosemary
sellers.
That's
it!
J
Now!
If
you
go
down
oakwood
you're,
going
to
see
a
million
plus
dollar
house,
my
little
house,
a
million
plus
dollar
house,
probably
a
few
more
will
be
built
and
three-story
half-million
dollar
condos
across
the
canal.
So
I
understand
how
you
all
feel
I
really
do
what
distress
well
so
I've
been
here
for
22
years,
but
my
history
with
old,
smart.
This
can
make
me
it's
gonna
like
really
date
me,
but
it's
okay,
late
60s,
my
parents
worked
at
the
racetrack,
we
were
little
kids
and
we
played
in
the
parking
lot
late.
J
Early
70s
went
to
the
flea
market
all
the
time,
late
70s.
I
was
an
exercise
girl
at
tampa
bay
downs.
Until
I
got
to
be
101
pounds
because
you
could
only
be
100
pounds
to
be
an
exercise
girl,
so
anyhow
the
the
town
has
already
changed.
This
is
not
okay.
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
people
say
that
that
you
two
were
elected
because
of
no
density.
J
Well,
guess
what
y'all?
These
three
were
elected
for
pro
downtown
and
it
distresses
me
all
the
stuff.
That's
on
social
media,
all
of
the
oh
I'm
getting
nervous
now,
because
it
it
just
it
breaks
my
heart
to
see
you
guys
get
slammed
beavis
I've
been
slammed
I've
been
thrown
under
the
bus.
You
know
I
mean
it.
It
is
just
this
is
not
oldsmar
the
people
that
are
saying
that
you
want
community
and
you
want.
J
You
know
family,
but
but
you
go
to
you,
go
to
the
lengths
of
personal
attacks
and
you
go
to
the
lengths
of
of
lies
and
and
it's
just
it,
it
breaks
my
heart,
you
know
and
and
and
dan
I
got
to
tell
you
a
lot
of
people
told
me
the
12
story
story.
You
know
and
I
had
to
tell
them.
No,
it's
five
stories.
You
know,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
easier.
Well,
no,
it's
not
easier
being
up
there.
Now
I
feel
for
y'all.
J
Okay,
I'm
glad
I'm
not
up
there
now
you
know,
but
it
has
been
20-something
years.
All
the
other
developments
failed.
All
the
other
developments
would
have
required
an
ins,
an
increase
like
mayor
seidel,
said
this
is
just
an
incentive
for
vertically
integrated.
We
still
have
the
control
of
what
happens
just
because
we
raise
it
just
be
safe.
Just
because
we
say
that
you're
going
to
vote
for
the
density
increase
doesn't
mean
that
that's
going
to
happen.
All
it
means
is,
maybe
we
will
go
more
nationwide.
J
Maybe
we
will
get
more
people
that
are
going
to
do
it.
Maybe
we
can
do
some
of
the
things
that
you
know.
Some
of
the
people
are
saying.
Maybe
that
can
happen.
There's
going
to
be
public
hearings,
there's
going
to
be
time
for
people
to
come
and
say
this
is
what
we'd
rather
have
and
then
hash
it
out
there.
All
it
is
is
an
incentive.
It's
not.
J
J
To
do
this,
they're
not
going
to
do
that,
so
I'm
for
it
and
god.
I
can't
believe
how
nervous
I
am.
I
wasn't
as
nervous
when
I
was
up
there
all
right,
breathe
and
and
something
that
mayor
seidel
said
25
to
30
million
dollars
for
a
parking
garage.
This
developer
or
a
developer
that
you
guys
will
have
negotiations
with,
should
pay
for
that
parking
garage
and
jared.
I
think
that
parking
garage
is
privately
owned.
The
one
that
you
were
talking
about,
I
don't
know
the
one
over
by
shim.
I
think
that's
privately
owned.
J
J
I
mean
I
served
with
mayor
beavis,
mayor
mayor,
seidel,
mayor
ronniker,
I've
served
with
dan
andrew
katie
and
all
of
the
different
projects
have
fallen
through
over
the
years
for
one
reason
or
another,
so
give
the
incentive
and
then
hash
it
out,
give
the
incentive,
and
then
everybody
can
get
together
and
try
to
figure
out
what's
best
for
oldsmar
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
going
to
have
12
story
buildings.
Thank
you.
H
Carol,
conley
409,
jefferson,
avenue
south
oldsmar
I've
lived
here
22
years
single
mom
raised
kids
here
worked
two
three
jobs
and
I
feel
for
some
of
the
parents
here
that
live
along
park
street,
especially
about
this
proposed
density
increase.
I
am
for
the
improve.
You
know
the
improvement
of
oldsmar,
there's
more
than
that
section
of
land
there's
other
places.
As
the
gentleman
said
earlier,
we
have
quite
a
few
places,
but
as
far
as
the
responsible
way
of
approaching
this
density
thing,
I
am
against
it.
H
I
think
I
think
we
should
vote
no
and
revisit
this
and
regroup
one
other
word
covid.
Okay,
some
of
us
have
not
been
here
because
of
covid
I've
lost
loved
ones
to
the
disease
I
or
the
virus.
I've
had
it
myself,
I'm
a
cancer
survivor,
so
I
have
a
low
immune
system
and
it
really
bothers
me
with
the
city
of
ulster
oldsmar
dan
saraki.
I
worked
with
your
daughter
many
many
many
moons
ago
at
old,
smart
tap
house.
That
was
my
moonlighting
job.
Okay,
I
voted
for
you.
H
H
There
was
a
lot
of
eyeball
rolling
on
the
panel.
Maybe
y'all
were
tired.
I
don't
know,
and
a
very
condescending
comment
came
from
the
former
mayor,
so
there's
that
okay,
but
moving
forward,
I
I
believe
the
state
street
listen
to
the
people
that
when
they
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
those
houses
and
the
traffic
is
terrible
people
don't
pay
attention.
I
am
in
downtown
as
well.
They
don't
pay
attention
to
the
stop
signs.
H
Pets
are
being
killed
and
I'm
I'm
just
it's
not
it's
just
that.
That
is
the
truth.
I
it
should
be
a
I'm
thinking
more
of
a
market
arts
craft,
maybe
a
small
thing.
It
should
be
for
community
people
come
together
and
we
fellowship
together
and
we
talk-
and
I
think
that
that's
state
street,
but
as
far
as
the
library,
I
am
all
for
growth.
I
believe
we
have
to
have
taxes
to
come
in,
so
we
can
keep
our
roads
safe
for
our
families
and
children.
Thank
you.
D
D
I've
lived
in
oldsmar
for
30
years
and
the
last
11
years
I've
lived
within
one
mile
of
downtown.
I
am
for
the
density
increase
the
newbies
who
say
this
is
happening
too
fast,
you're,
just
not
well
informed,
because
this
has
been
going
on
for
more
than
25
years.
There
was
some
progress
a
long
time
ago
we
had
the
tap
house
and
we
had
an
awesome
sushi
restaurant
for
those
of
you
who
remember
that,
but
they
closed
down
the
real
estate
market,
crashed
and
those
buildings
are
still
empty.
D
With
exception
of
a
very
few,
the
vote
tonight
is
just
to
increase
the
density,
we're
not
voting
on
the
plan.
That's
going
in,
and
I
know
it's
up
to
65
but
say
we
come
up
and
another
another
developer
gives
us
a
plan,
that's
50
units.
Where
do
we
draw
the
line?
40
units
45?
Where
do
we
draw
the
plan?
But
the
problem
is
the
vote.
Tonight
is
just
that
is
step.
One
this
is
the
tool
to
get
us
to
the
next
step.
Without
the
density
increase,
we
will
never
be
able
to
do
anything
downtown.
D
No
developers
been
interested
because
it
isn't
a
good
investment
for
them
right
now.
It
is
not
profitable
for
anyone,
not
the
developer,
not
the
residents,
not
the
businesses
that
are
downtown,
and
certainly
not
our
city.
For
those
of
you
who
are
against
the
density
increase,
I
don't
recognize
most
of
you.
I
don't
know
who
you
are
you're,
not
out
supporting
the
businesses
that
are
here
now.
How
do
you
expect
them
to
survive
without
the
customers?
D
There
is
more
than
enough
room
to
take
on
more
students
and
when
students
walk
to
school,
they
don't
walk
down
dartmouth.
They
walk
down
buckingham
and
there
are
crossing
guards,
and
I
know
me-
I
walked
my
kids
to
school.
I
didn't
send
them
by
themselves.
I
made
sure
that
they
were
safe,
getting
back
and
forth.
So
that's
just
something
that
I
felt
was
kind
of
important.
D
T
Hello,
barry
sullivan
300
state
street
east
unit
326.,
I
just
as
I'm
sitting
back
there
just
hearing
a
lot
of
comments,
a
lot
of
emotion,
a
lot
of
snickering
a
lot
of
of
stuff.
I
hadn't
planned
on
saying
anything,
but
I
I
just
want
to
remind
all
of
us
here
that,
whether
we
voted
for
anybody
up
here
or
not
that
just
as
much
as
we
love
the
city
of
oldsmar,
these
people
love
the
city
of
oldsmar.
T
They
were
put
here
for
a
reason:
they've
given
their
their
lives,
their
livelihoods
they've
surrendered
their
families,
some
of
them
their
reputations,
different
things
so
that
they
could
sit
here
and
help
oversee
this
city
that
we
all
love
and
whether
we've
lived
here
for
30
plus
years
or
four
years.
I've
lived
here
for
25
years.
T
These
people
love
the
city.
Just
as
much
as
we
do.
I
raised
four
sons
in
this
city.
I
had
kids
that
we
lived
two
houses
down
from
baltimore
elementary
school
in
buckingham
avenue
west.
My
kids
went
to
ultimate
elementary.
There
was
a
time
that
they
were
at
forest
lakes.
There
was
a
time
that
they
were
at
carwise
and
the
time
that
they
were
baltimore
christian
school.
T
T
You
know
back
when
reo
when
he
planned
the
city.
I'm
sure
that
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
by
the
people,
maybe
the
one
or
two
people
who
lived
here
about
what
he
was
doing
to
the
property
in
the
city
and
the
plans
that
he
had.
We've
all
seen
the
picture,
the
painting,
I'm
still
amazed
by
it
in
the
library
in
the
teco
room.
T
You
know
people
said
it
was
probably
too
much,
but
you
know
here
we
are
as
a
city
and
we
love.
What's
happened
to
the
city
in
the
last
25
years
we
have
personally
lived
at
the
village
of
old,
tampa
bay.
We
owned
a
home
on
buckingham
avenue.
West.
We
live
in
the
home
of
a
friend
at
bayview
ave.
We
lived
in
the
mcdonald's
home
at
shore
drive
east
for
a
year
and
now
we're
currently
at
the
galleria
on
state
street
east.
T
All
of
those
addresses
are
in
what
we
all
call
old
oldsmar.
We
live
on
this
side
of
town
because
we
love
the
small
town
feel
of
old
oldsmar
and
we
don't
want
to
lose
that
in
any
way
and
that's
why
we
stand
up
here
against
the
the
density
increase.
My
wife
feels
the
same
way.
It
was
really
hard
for
us
in
this
election
because
we
love
all
of
you
guys
we're
close
with
with
dan.
We
were
close
with
eric,
but
it
came
down
to
this
issue
for
us
our
current
living
situation.
T
We
live
in
the
corner
unit,
you've,
probably
driven
by
that
corner.
You
see
the
jesus
sign
up
in
the
window,
that's
us
because
we're
pastors
and
there's
a
lot
of
testimonies
that
have
come
because
of
that
sign,
but
we
live
up
there
and
I
can
tell
you
we
used
to
live
in
the
apartment.
On
the
second
floor,
over
the
archway
right
over
where
the
tap
house
is
now
and
if
I
lived
there
now,
I
would
hate
it
absolutely
hate
it
because
of
the
noise
because
of
the
live
music.
That's
underneath
it.
T
We
live
on
the
third
floor,
my
bedroom's
on
the
fourth
floor,
we're
the
highest
residential
unit
in
all
of
oldsmar,
and
I
look
out
that
window
and
I
pray
for
all
of
you.
Each
and
every
morning
I
pray
for
this
city
as
the
sun
comes
up
and
make
declarations,
scriptural
declarations
over
the
city,
but
a
lot
of
times.
What
wakes
me
up
is
the
buses
that
pull
up
and
park
there
for
10
minutes,
while
the
driver
gets
out
and
smokes
a
cigarette
and
the
bus
is
still
running.
T
T
I
think
that
all
of
these
apartments
that
would
come
in
I
mean
it
would
draw
people
who
want
to
live
in
that
situation,
but
if
we're
talking
about
making
it
more
affordable,
we
want
to
buy
an
oldsmar
right
now
and
it's
hard
for
us.
That's
why
we're
renting?
I!
I
don't
think
that
a
developer
would
come
in
and
make
housing
affordable.
We
talked
about
affordable
housing
for
workers,
they
would
have
to
be
ceos
and
other
things.
Other
kinds
of
workers.
T
And
you
know,
basically
we
just
we
wish
there
were
more
life
in
downtown
oldsmar
and
again
we
live
in
the
galleria
and
I
I
don't
know
all
the
nuances
of
the
relationship
with
doug
sponaugle
and
why
there
aren't
more
businesses
in
those
empty
units
that
are
down
there.
I
mean
some
of
them
are
still
undeveloped.
There's
dirt
floors
in
these
window
spaces.
There
are
air
conditioning
dirt
floors,
I
don't
understand
it,
they
could
put
coffee
shops
in
there
different
things.
T
It's
never
been
fully
developed
or
utilized,
because
the
owner
is
doing
what
he's
doing
who's
to
say
that
a
developer
or
a
builder
would
come
in
and
not
do
the
same
thing.
Well,
I
don't
want
to
put
that
in
there,
so
I'm
not
going
to
allow
that
in
there.
We
don't
have
any
control
over
that
once
we
let
loose
of
that,
we
want
to
see
more
something
more
like
safety,
harbor
or
downtown
dunny.
Thank
you.
So
much
god
bless.
I
B
I
B
C
Hello
mayor
vice
mayor
and
council,
my
name
is
melissa
stickler
and
I
don't
live
near
park
boulevard.
I
don't
live
near
state
street.
I
live
at
four
sunny
point
terrace.
I
live
in
a
household
with
two
registered
voters
and
two
more
to
come.
Soon.
Kids
are
getting
older,
so
I
first
want
to
say
we're
in
support
of
the
project
near
the
library
we
went
to
the
open
house.
It
was
wonderful
and
loved
it.
So
we're
supportive
growth
growth,
that's
planned
and
very
thoughtful
out
of
the
box
thinking.
C
C
We
want
to
see
it
continuously
improve,
not
stay
stagnant,
but
also
not
erupt
like
a
sore
thumb
with
buildings
that
are
out
of
character,
so
I'm
supportive
of
attracting
the
businesses
and
again
thoughtful
planned
growth
because
we
didn't
need
to
keep
moving
on
so
moving
on
most
important.
I
do
believe
that
elected
officials
are
here
to
represent
the
people.
Okay,
I
agree
with
what
was
said
earlier
that
you
can't
represent
every
opinion
that
comes
up,
but
you
do
have
a
responsibility
to
represent
the
majority.
C
Therefore,
when
something
is
this
split,
I
think
you've
heard
tonight,
people
on
both
sides.
We
are
split
until
we
get
a
majority
opinion.
I
feel
that
you
cannot
vote
to
move
forward
with
this,
as
is
until
there's
more
out-of-the-box
thinking
and
a
little
bit
more
study,
I'm
not
suggesting
necessarily
focus
groups.
I
don't
know
what
the
right
answer
is,
but
we
need
to
move
forward,
represent
the
people
step
back,
listen,
look
for
majority
opinion
and
don't
push
forward
with
this
much
opposition.
A
H
D
And
I
got
miss
because
dan
forgot,
my
name:
sudanna's
cologne,
402,
arlington,
avenue,
east
oldsmar,
I'm
saddened.
D
I
am
for
the
density
because
I
believe
this
council
future
councils
will
make
the
right
choice
and
not
build
what
the
fear
is
controlling
right
now
and
that's
what
mostly
I
feel
I've
heard
is
a
fear
of
what
could
happen.
A
fear
of
this-
and
I
am
just
I
I'm
so
sad-
I
I
I
have
never
seen
a
community
so
divided
as
we
are
today,
and
I
hope
that
whatever
this
council
and
future
councils
decide
will
help
bring
our
community
back
together
because
we're
not
we're
not
right.
D
I've
seen
that
happen
well
over
and
over
again
in
25
years,
so
I
am
for
the
density.
I
think
this
has
been
a
long
path.
I
believe
we
should
not
keep
kicking
the
can
down
the
road.
I
believe
we
should
continue
to
be
informed.
I
believe
we
should
continue
to
look
at
all
options,
but
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
try
to
bring
our
town
back
together,
because
this
has
been
very
sad
to
see
such
division
in
a
community
that
has
always
been
one.
I
Dave
mcdonald,
one
two
four
sure
drive
place
so
a
lot
of
the
talk
tonight.
Jason
said
that
you
three
were
elected,
but
you
were
elected
on
the
density
issue.
Eventually,
issue
was
not
around.
You
were
elected.
I
So
when
you
swore
your
oath
to
represent
the
city,
you
remember
that
the
majority
of
voters
record
turnout,
I
understand,
came
out,
people
don't
sit
on
the
couch
and
say
hey.
I've
never
voted
before,
but
I
want
to
come
out
and
vote
and
stay
the
course.
No,
they
come
out
get
off
their
couch
to
vote
because
they
want
to
change
the
course,
and
you
should
adhere
to
that.
As
elected
officials.
The
majority
of
the
vote.
I
Now
I
will
go
into
the
big
detail,
because
I've
been
told
by
some
that
they
don't
care
what
I
did
or
what
I
know-
and
I
understand
that
that's
been
the
opinion
of
the
council
to
people
who
were
opponents
of
this
from
day
one
and
it's
disrespectful
and
people
feel
that
people
know
and
that's
why
they
voted
the
way
they
did.
But
one
thing
I
will
say
this,
this
past
tragedy
we
had
two
weeks
ago:
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
authorize,
authorizes
density
increase
without
doing
any
kind
of
studies
at
all
impact
or
anything.
I
But
the
one
thing
you
should
do
is
a
traffic
study.
Now
it's
very
very
evident
that
we
need
to
have
at
least
that
done
before
before
you,
you
vote
to
increase
the
density,
because,
as
our
director
of
public
works
said,
maybe
this
road.
The
study
will
find
out
this
road
can't
be
improved
enough
to
adhere
to
that.
Maybe
there
are
some
limitations
to
this
road
that
we
just
can't
adapt
to
that
road.
I
But
my
question
to
you
three
is:
is
that
as
you
vote
tonight,
are
we
going
to
have
another
tragedy
after
you
vote
this
and
we
find
out
that
this
traffic's
not
going
to
be
a
amendable,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
handle
it?
What
are
we
going
to
say
then?
Do
the
right
thing
do
what
the
people
of
oldsmar
voted
for
vote
no
on
this
tonight?
Do
your
job?
Do
it
honorably,
because
that's
what
the
people
wanted
and
that's
why
these
two
gentlemen
are
where
they're
at
right
now.
Thank
you.
C
C
Would
line
state
street
and
cars
would
pack
the
streets
it
looked
like
that
was
fake
news
right
here
in
osmore,
these
scare
tactics
worked
and
a
new
mayor
was
elected
by
a
small
majority
of
voters,
not
the
huge
mandate
against
a
density
issue
that
some
would
have
you
believe,
leading
up
to
elections.
There
were
veiled
and
not
so
veiled
threats
against
those
who
favor
the
dead
city
issue
in
upcoming
elections.
C
E
Hello
again,
angie
armstrong,
3656,
meridian
avenue,
I'm
talking
to
you
guys
as
an
outsider.
It
seems
like
everyone
here
is
very
emotionally
and
intellectually
invested
in
this
topic
right
and
there's
a
lot
of
oh
well.
It
might
do
this.
It
might
do
that.
So
I'm
going
to
come
from
an
outside
perspective
and
say,
first
of
all,
this
incentive
that
everybody
just
wants
to
act
like
oh,
it's
just
an
incentive.
E
If
any
one
of
us
went
to
say
a
job
interview
and
the
incentive
was
to
make
50
an
hour,
am
I
going
to
go
in
there
and
say:
oh,
no,
I'm
okay
with
30.
like
we
put
this
limit,
then
anybody
that's
going
to
come
in
wanting
to
make
money
is
going
to
do
what
they
can
to
meet
that
limit,
because
more
people
means
more
money
right.
So
this
is
how
I
see
it.
The
other
thing
is:
I've
lived
here
for
almost
12
years
now
this
this
whole,
like
downtown,
is
a
ghost
town.
E
If
we
need
businesses
and
people,
then
why
aren't
we
filling?
What
we
already
have
built
like
that
to
me,
does
it
make
sense,
there's
a
supply
and
a
demand,
but
we
have
the
supply,
but
there's
nothing
there,
so
we're
just
gonna
build
more
like
that,
doesn't
make
sense.
The
other
point
that
I
have
is
that
as
a
parent,
when
you
have
one
kid
things
seem
simple
right:
you
got
toys
for
that
one
child,
but
the
moment
you
double
that
and
you
have
a
second
child.
E
The
toys,
don't
double
the
the
stuff
that
you
have
in
your
house
does
a
double
it
literally
quadruple
somehow
and
they
still
fight
over
the
one
toy.
But
the
point
is:
oh,
let's
just
go
from
30
to
65,
it's
no
big
deal,
but
it
is
you're
literally
doubling
the
amount
of
people
in
this
one
small
area,
using
up
more
resources
causing
more
of
everything,
because
you
literally
are
doubling
the
amount
of
people.
It's
not
just
an
incentive.
E
It's
how
far
allow
developers
if
we
allow
them
to
come
in
how
far
they
can
go.
Oh
we're!
Okay,
with
you
pushing
it
up
to
here.
You
know.
On
the
other
hand,
if
we
don't
want
our
city
to
change,
then
why
are
we
caving
to
what
developers
want?
They
don't
want
to
come
in
because
our
you
know,
units
per
acre
isn't
high
enough.
Well,
this
is
our
city.
We
should
be
able
to
say
what
we
want.
E
O
H
And
my
story
is
I'm:
my
name
is
deborah
monster
from
gullar
village
and
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
development
density
plans
for
downtown
oldsmar,
I'm
in
complete
favor
of
it,
and
I
believe
there
is
an
ongoing.
There
has
been
an
ongoing
campaign
to
silence
the
voices
of
those
in
favor
case.
H
When
trying
to
tell
my
story
about
the
positive
outcomes
I
witnessed
above
and
the
silencing
and
attacks
were
hurtful,
and
they
were
shameful
and
typical
bullying
of
those
who
do
not
wish
to
hear
any
other
side
of
an
issue,
even
though
this
group
bashed
three
opposing
members
of
the
city
council,
along
with
the
previous
mayor
for
months,
nothing
was
done
to
quell
them
on
the
next
door.
Social
media
app
and
none
of
their
lashing
posts
were
censored.
H
H
So
the
reason
I'm
telling
you
all
of
this
is
that
I
hope
you
will
understand
the
type
of
tactics
that's
been
used
by
this
group
to
you
and
it
is
using
to
silence
the
voices
of
us
who
support
this
density
issue.
It
appears
still
today
that
they
are
still
using
these
bullying
tactics
in
an
attempt
to
recall
the
three
council
members
who
we
voted
in
in
a
fair
and
honest
election
and,
more
importantly,
whose
voices
do
speak
for
us
for
many
of
us,
those
who
are
in
favor
of
this
density
issue.
H
Please
do
not
believe
everything
you
hear
from
these
groups
on
nextdoor,
because
when
they
say
that
most
citizens
are
not
in
support
of
the
issues
here
today,
we
should
be
able
to
amiably
speak
in
favor
with
without
being
canceled
and
bullied,
and
everyone
deserves
to
be
heard
and
treated
with
respect.
So
I'm
definitely
in
favor
of
the
density
issues
increase,
because
I've
experienced
those
the
success
of
it
in
the
town
that
I
lived
up
in
north
up
north.
Thank
you.
S
C
C
S
D
Hello,
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
less
emotional,
because
I
can
talk
about
this
without
crying
megan,
buckman
310,
washington
avenue-
and
I
am
not
in
support
of
the
density
incentive
at
this
moment,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
the
land
that
we're
really
wanting
to
develop.
D
D
It
needs
to
support
its
youth.
It
needs
to
support
growth
that
happens
organically
or
we
may
end
up
with
what
they
call
a
big
white
elephant
right.
So
a
big
building
that
is
there
that
doesn't
attract
individuals
and
will
stay
empty
jared
showed
that
slide
of
armature
works.
What
brings
people
to
that
area?
D
D
It
was
not
putting
people
in
the
area
so
the
moment
we
codify
this
and
we
put
it
into
law.
Our
developers
are
going
to
say
well
yeah.
I
want
to
build
and
they're
going
to.
You
know
come
on
in
and
they're
going
to
want
to
build
it
and
it's
going
to
fit
everything
that
we've
put
forward
because
they've
seen
everything
at
this
point.
What
do
we
have
in
our
back
pocket
to
get
what
we
want
at
this
point
we're
giving
it
all
away?
D
If
we
go
ahead
and
do
the
density
incentive
without
making
sure
that
we
are
looking
for
good
bids?
Because
from
what
I
know
when
woodfield
came
forward-
and
they
did
this
unsolicited
bid,
they
came
forward
with
it.
The
city
had
to
go
out
and
look
for
additional
bids.
Did
they
do
a
national
search?
Did
we?
No
you
put
it
in
the
tampa
tribune.
D
I
want
to
have
faith
in
my
city
that
you're
going
to
do
the
best
for
us,
with
great
planning,
with
creativity,
with
sound
mind
and
listening
to
everyone
and
unfortunately,
in
the
beginning
of
this,
I
don't
think.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
think
it
didn't
feel
like
some
of
you
took
the
resident
seriously
and
there
was
a
lot
of
bashing
okay,
I'm
not
gonna,
say
bashing,
because
that's
happening
all
over
the
place
now,
but
originally
those
that
didn't
want
the
the
density
incentive.
D
They're
really
talked
down
to
right,
and
I
I
don't
think
that
was
done
on
purpose.
It's
just
not
used
to
people
coming
forward
and
being
against
stuff.
This
is
new
to
us,
and
so,
if
anything,
I
think
we
have
to
get
that
creativity
back
in
there.
We
have
to
get
the
faith
of
everyone
back
in
us,
and
that
comes
from
being
listening
and
giving
great
feedback
and
encouraging
feedback
and
encouraging
people
talking
to
you
and
listening
thoroughly,
which
I
know
each
and
every
one
of
you
can
do.
D
An
election
did
happen
right
and
there
are
some
other
ideas
out
there,
and
I
don't
think
this
is
our
one
opportunity
to
build,
because
the
landscape
has
changed
through
covid,
it's
changed,
so
this
isn't
just
the
one
time,
because
things
are
changing
every
day,
what
we
need
in
this
area
and
what
we
need
as
a
people,
what
we
need
as
a
community.
We
are
the
youngest
demographic
and
the
youngest
city
in
the
in
pinellas
county.
What
do
we
do
for
our
youth?
What
do
we
have
for
them?
What
do
we
have
set
forward
for
them?
D
I
also
have
to
say
that
we
had
lots
of
problems
with
the
bmx
track.
We
also
had
lots
of
problems
with
the
galleria.
What
do
all
of
these
have
in
common?
There
are
things
that
this
city
put
forward
and
I
think
it's
because
a
city,
that's
inexperienced,
get
some
more
experts
in
get
some
more
creativity,
give
us
a
great
plan
because
we
deserve
it.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
E
Hey
guys,
my
name
is
pammy
proper.
I
live
at
296,
paddy
drive
kind
of
sort
of
towards
downtown,
but
on
the
beaten
bath
you
know,
you're
gonna
have
to
bear
with
me
because
I'm
all
over
the
place
on
my
phone,
I've
been
taking
notes
as
people
talked
and
and
things
because
I
wasn't
planning
on
getting
up
to
talk.
I
talked
at
the
last
one
and
said
my
piece,
but
obviously
this
is
the
final
vote
and
I
want
my
statements
put
in
here.
E
I'm
going
to
go
first
with
some
of
the
things
that
people
said
the
girl
back
here
said
you
know.
If
somebody
gives
me
an
incentive
for
50
dollars,
I'm
going
to
go.
Oh
no,
just
give
me
30..
Well
that
goes
the
other
way
too.
Somebody
gives
me
a
million
dollars.
E
I
could
be
like
I'll,
spend
it
all,
but
I'm
going
to
think
well.
I
want
to
incent
that
I
want
to
hold
on
to
that
to
make
it
last
through
my
life,
and
I
have
a
gift
here
that
I
can
do
whatever
I
want
with
okay.
So
to
me
the
incentive
y'all
have
whatever
you
can
do
with
it.
Okay,
we
do
have
a
new
mayor,
a
new
vice
mayor.
E
We
have
our
council
members
that
I
voted
all
the
council
members
in
okay
and
to
me
you
guys
do
have
the
right
to
say:
listen,
jackass,
you're
not
going
to
put
65
people
or
65
units
or
whatever
I
want
40..
I
want
33.,
I
whatever
you
guys,
have
that
right
as
what
you're
doing
sitting
up
there.
So
you
can
take
this
half
of
the
room
or
that
half
of
the
room
and
you
can
combine
it-
maybe
not
65,
maybe
not
30.,
get
it
at
45,
get
it
somewhere.
We
all
can
bring
another
thing.
E
She
said
the
community
bring
the
community
together,
stop
this
half-assed
that
this
one
is
saying
this
and
this
one's
saying
that
and
dan's
a
liar
in
this
one
and
that
you
know
I'm
sick
of
it.
I
want
to
live
happily,
okay.
The
other
reason
I'm
for
this
for
this
incentive
is,
I
have
adult
children
that
are
19
and
22.
Now
my
son
just
turned
22..
They
are
struggling
to
find
affordable
housing
anywhere
in
this
in
pinellas
county.
E
They
want
to
stay
here
in
their
hometown
where
they
were
born
and
they
were
raised
and
they
can't
afford
to
buy
a
house
right
now,
but
they
can
afford
an
apartment
together.
My
two
sons
want
to
go
out
and
pay
whatever
the
market
value
is
right.
Now
it's
about
two
to
three
thousand
dollars
to
rent
a
crappy
house.
Okay,
so
why
not
put
some
apartments
in
for
our
family?
Now
you
guys
talk
about
you
know,
oh
there's,
so
many
people
going
to
invade
oldsmar.
E
Well,
let
me
tell
you
something:
my
sons
live
here
and
have
lived
here.
Their
whole
lives
they're,
going
to
move
out
of
my
house,
which
makes
my
house
go
from
five
to
three
and
they
want
to
stay
in
oldsmar.
So
there
they
go.
I'm
going
to
go
into
this
new
apartment
place
over
here
on
state
street
and
and
you
still
have
the
same
amount
of
people
living
in
oldsmar
guys
it
doesn't
have
to
be
new
people
coming
from
freaking
california
to
move
to
our
city.
E
E
I
mean:
are
we
all
that
rich
that
we
can
just
go
well
if
they
can't
afford
to
live
in
oatmeal,
then
just
have
a
move
up
somewhere
else.
I
mean
we're
being
ridiculous
because
we're
all
wanting
to
be
a
community.
Well,
let's
be
a
damn
community.
Let's
pull
this
incentive
in,
have
it
in
our
back
pocket
to
say
you
know
what
let's
do
this
down
the
line
and
like
in.
Like
sorry,
mrs
buckman
says:
hey
there's
another
time
for
this.
Well,
if
there
is
then
fine
hold
on
to
that
incentive,
keep
it
there
and
go.
E
You
know
what
I'm
going
to
use
this
next
month
or
next
year
or
five
years
or
like
another
person,
said
you
guys
might
not
even
be
sitting
on
council
when
we
finally
do
this
damn
project
so
build,
take
this
incentive
and
put
it
in
our
tool
basket.
So
the
next
people
can
come
in
and
say:
well
you
know
what
speak
to
the
people
we're
all
here.
We
can
all
talk
to
you
guys
about
what
we
want
in
the
future.
So
to
me,
it's
really
kind
of
textbook
okay.
So
this
one
wants
this.
E
M
G
M
G
M
G
Increase
I've
asked
a
few
questions.
I
don't
quite
still
understand
why
there
was
an
another
meeting
where
they
did
a
roll
call
vote
and
I
couldn't
be
there.
I
had
covered
and
they
don't
do
the
zoom
for
those
meetings
and
then
it
completely
flipped
for
that
second
vote
again,
I'm
not
sure
all
the
things
that
went
on
something
about
the
way,
the
wording
and
how
it
was
posted
or
something
I
still
really
don't
understand
how
it
went.
G
But
I've
I've
had
different
views
on
this
density
increase
and
it
seems
like
every
time
I
hear
it
from
one
person,
I'm
like,
oh
well,
that
makes
sense,
and
I
hear
it
from
someone
else
and
I
think
okay
well,
that
makes
sense,
but
at
the
planning
board
I
thought
I
actually
watched
myself
back,
because
I
was
sitting
at
the
council
meeting
when
mayor
seidel
kind
of
made
a
bash
about
the
planning
board
not
being
very
knowing
what
they
were
talking
about
and
it's
recorded
but
and
it
bothered
me
because
I
thought
I
did
say
some
things
that
and
asked
some
questions
that
I
thought
were
pretty
good.
G
I
asked
about
the
65
000
cars
that
go
by
and
if
we,
you
know
have
something
worth
stopping
by,
then
people
will
stop.
I
asked
about
the
the
usually
a
density
incentive.
I've
always
heard
was
that
you
do
have
to
include
affordable
housing.
Well,
that's
you
know,
family's
speaking
to
apartments,
people
can
live
and
that's
not
what
will
be
built
in
oldsmar.
G
G
So
that
was
a
bit
confusing
and
then
also
just
the
idea
that
we
don't
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
doing
it
seems
like
the
city
would
would
know
what
we're
building
before
we're
voting
on
the
rules
of
how
to
do
it,
so
if
it
needed
an
incense
in
a
density
increase.
G
G
I
talked
to
neighbors
to
see
what
kind
of
impact
it
was
and
when
the
density
increase
came
up,
I
called
people
and
you
know
no
names,
but
people
that
have
been
in
positions
making
these
kinds
of
decisions
in
the
past
safety,
harbor
dunedin,
former
people
that
had
been
here
on
this
council
and
none
of
them
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
and
one
in
particular
said
that
voting
in
something
like
this
was
really
his
biggest
regret.
G
Who
is
no
longer
serving
in
that
city
just
think
really
hard
about
why
the
density
increase.
Why
did
it
ever
become
an
issue
it?
It
bothers
me
too,
when
people
argue
but,
like
I
told
my
neighbor
jared
when
he
was
running,
you
hear
all
these
things,
but
really
it's
just
a
core
of
maybe
20
people,
it's
the
same
20
people,
but
the
people
that
came
out
and
voted.
It
was
more
than
those
people,
so
you
might
be
hearing
a
lot
of
noise.
The
people
that
come
to
these
meetings.
G
Most
people
don't
and
it's
usually
the
same
people
that
do
so.
I
just
keep
in
mind.
You
know
I've
kind
of
gone
back
and
forth.
I
know,
but
I
just
don't
think
that
a
density
increase
needs
to
be
voted
in
before
we
know
why
we
want
that
density
increase
voted
in
it.
Just
doesn't
make
sense
to
me,
I'm
a
layperson
but
I've.
I
really
tried
to
think
about
it.
G
C
C
B
C
C
C
B
B
B
D
D
I'm
really
excited
about
vice
mayor
buckman's
idea.
There
are
some
really
great
ideas
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
creativity.
I
believe
that's
left
out
there
to
explore,
and
so
I'm
wondering,
if
there's
another
option,
instead
of
actually
voting
yes
or
no,
is
there
an
opportunity
to
postpone
it
so
that
there
can
be
more
discussion
so
that
there
can
be
more
education
so
that
there
can
be
more
bridge
building
so
that
there
is
more
consensus?
D
People
will
not
like
what
you're
doing
every
step
of
the
way,
because
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
adequately
come
together.
Talk
about
these
issues,
the
people
who
are
emotional
they're
talking
about
their
homes,
their
families.
This
is
not
anything
light.
We
can't
make
fun
of
people
who
are
upset
about
their
home
that
they
live
in.
D
They
have
every
right
to
be
upset
about
where
they
raise
their
children,
where
their
largest
investment-
they
have
is
their
home,
and
they
have
every
single
right
to
be
concerned
about
how
this
decision
will
impact
traffic
safety,
noise
and
the
livability
for
them
and
their
family.
If
you
have
ever
lived
in
a
home
that
all
of
a
sudden
became
uninhabitable
because
of
your
neighbors,
you
know
how
miserable
that
is.
We
owe
it
to
people
to
make
sure
we're
making
the
right
decision
density
has
consequences,
and
we
have
not
thought
this
out
fully.
D
D
I
was
so
excited
when
I
heard
about
that,
because
I
thought
that's
out
of
the
box.
It's
fresh
the
main
street
florida
people
I
had
talked
to
when
I
was
running
because
I
knew
we
could
bring
more
creativity
and
we
could
get
what
we
deserve,
not
just
taking
a
last-ditch
effort
and
like
taking
a
deal
to
get
a
deal.
Nobody
wants
to
be
proud
of
that
and
nobody
wants
to
feel
like
they
had
something
shoved
down
their
throat
because
there's
disagreements.
D
A
C
A
Motion
pan
anyone
against.
O
May
you're
just
one
comment
discussion.
Thank
you
for
recognizing
me.
We've
been
going
for
another
hour
and
a
half
and
I
did
consume
a
diet.
Coke.
A
N
C
Sean
swagger
601
spruce
sheet
street.
I
just
waited
to
go
last
so
that
I
can
hear
everybody
else,
just
kind
of
say
everything
that
I
wanted
to
say
and
all
my
notes.
Then
I
my
five-minute
thesis
that
I
prepared
you
know
like
I
said
everybody
already
said
what
they
needed
to
say.
So
I'll.
Be
brief,
because
I
know
you
gotta
go.
C
I
think
mayor
roniker
and
seidel
said
it
said
it
best
and
as
a
recovering.
C
C
Approving
the
density
incentive
tonight
is
really
the
only
hope
for
progress.
This
council
and
previous
previous
councils
have
made
substantial
efforts
and
progress
to
developing
downtown
oldsmar
over
the
past
20
plus
years
matter
of
fact,
each
and
every
one
of
you
were
voted
to
develop
downtown
oldsmar.
There's
no
arguing
that
so
by
not
approving
the
density
incentive,
you
will
be
sending
us
back
in
time.
C
So
when
this
is
approved,
the
city
will
then
advertise
this
publicly
again
from
what
I
understand
for
other
developers
and
more
competition
to
submit
their
proposals.
So
we're
not
just
faced
with
one
proposal
and
even
if
there's
not
as
many
people
have
said
tonight,
the
current
proposal
is
not
the
plan.
It's
a
proposal,
so
I
think
that's
all
I
have,
except
for
in
about
an
hour
happy
birthday,
andrew.
C
P
C
C
I
like
the
way
the
little
shops
came
on
and
you
know
businesses
came
and
stuff
and
I
think
it
was
it
was
good,
but
I,
but
I
would
say
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
have
no
idea
that
you
all
have
been
doing
this
for
25
years.
C
There's
a
lot
of
people
in
oldsmar
that
had
no
idea
for
this
last
election
that
there
was
a
an
issue,
so
I
would
suggest
a
little
more
advertising.
I
assume
you
have
somebody
on
your
staff
that
markets
they
need
to
do
a
little
marketing
to
the
rest
of
oldsmar.
If
we've
got
15
000
people
here,
we
should
have
had
a
lot
more
people
voting
this
last
election.
C
I
would
suggest
I
would
like
to
see
this
issue
on
the
november
ballot
when
it's
a
national
election
and
have
a
lot
of
people
issue,
then
it
wouldn't
be
on
your
shoulders.
It
would
be
on
our
shoulders
if
it
goes,
it
goes.
If
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
that's
just
a
suggestion.
I
don't
even
know
if
it's
legal,
but
I'm
just
saying,
because
I
listened
tonight
and
they
one
you
one
neighborhood
had
some
signs
out.
C
But
this
issue,
as
everybody
has
said,
has
been
a
real
dividing
point
and
maybe
it's
from
miscommunication
or
maybe
it's
not
from
understanding.
I'm
not
an
engineer.
I
have
no
idea
what
it's
going
to
do,
except
that
I
know
it's
going
to
go
up
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
tall
buildings
in
oldsmar
and
we're
kind
of
small
town.
C
A
B
Hello,
john
views,
150
state
street
east
a
long
time
resident
1992
had
my
business
in
oldsmar
since
2004
I'd
like
to
start
by
apologizing
to
my
great
city,
because
I
believe
that
I'm
partially
to
blame
for
the
word
density
of
incentive
being
hijacked
and
weaponized,
and
what
we've
heard
the
past
couple
months
is,
I
feel
partly
to
blame.
B
I
regret
not,
since
I've
been
working
on
this
project
for
25
years
voluntarily
for
the
city
trying
to
get
a
development
downtown
that
fit
everybody's
wish
list,
I
failed
to
show
pretty
pictures
of
what
the
existing
density
of
that
parcel
would
look
like
it's
pretty.
It
can
be
pretty
bad.
It's
pretty
more
intense
than
everybody
has
seen,
and
the
whole
purpose
behind
the
density
of
incentive
was
to
try
to
minimize
and
incentivize
the
developer,
to
do
some
things
that
maybe
weren't
100,
financially
driven
and
to
lower
the
building's
intensity,
which
is
different
from
density.
B
It
doesn't.
I
don't
care
what
it
looks
like
as
long
as
it
looks
good
and
it
fits
the
bot
checks,
the
boxes
that
we've
been
spending
all
this
time
and
energy
doing
so.
The
density
incentive
was
designed
to
merely
negotiate
with
a
developer
of
which
we've
had
not
that
many.
But
we've
had
a
few,
and
I
have
no
doubt
we
can
get
more.
B
That's
not
the
issue
without
the
density
incentive.
I
believe
it
will
set
us
back,
but
it
won't
ruin.
The
job,
but
I
still
think
whatever
we
show
based
on
design
by
committee,
if
it's
not
some
low-rise,
you
know
piece
of
junk.
That's
gonna
be
very
difficult
to
get
everyone
to
be
on
board
and
that's
where
I
failed,
because
that's
where
I
can
bring
value
to
the
city
in
pretty
pretty
architecture
as
a
developer.
B
That's
in
the
game
today,
you
know
the
times
have
changed
and
how
the
developments
are
worked
and
piecemeal
developments
are
very
difficult
to
get
done
financially,
but
it
can
be
done.
We've
tried
it.
We've
tried
it
for
20
years
and
I'm
not
going
anywhere.
Try
for
20
more
the
purpose
of
the
exercise
that
you're
voting
on
tonight
isn't
to
cram
as
much
as
we
can
on
that
parcel.
It's
quite
frankly,
it's
actually
the
opposite.
It's
to
try
to
get
someone
to
do
something
that
we
would
prefer,
and
I
use
the
word.
B
We
apparently
liberally,
because
it's
50
50
for
and
against.
So
obviously
I'm
for
the
density
bonus.
I
spent
half
my
life
working
on
the
idea
and
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
there's
a
difference
between
intensity
and
density,
and
I
hope
you
can
remember
that
when
you're
voting
so
thank
you.
A
E
We're
getting
close
couple
minutes,
sherry
clark,
501
pine
avenue.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
am
for
the
density
bought
my
first
house
in
oldsmar
in
1994..
I
have
raised
a
family
here.
I
live
work
and
play
here
and
I'd
like
to
have
some
more
opportunities
for
play.
I've
always
been
in
favor
of
downtown
every
time
it's
been
talked
about,
discussed
a
little
bit
closer
here,
a
little
bit
closer
there.
So
I'm
for
it.
Thank
you.
I
Matt
clark,
501
pine
avenue
south
oldsmar
very
well
said
very
well
said
that
election
was
a
show,
so
congratulations
katie
best
campaign
out
of
this
so
far
I'll
start
off
by
saying
that,
yes,
I
supported
eric
seidel
and
I
supported
the
density
incentive.
I
I
There
was
a
letter
that
was
written
out
tonight
that
doug
beaver
started
writing
and
he
didn't
get
to
finish
it,
but
I
wanted
to
hear
the
rest
of
it,
but
I
wanted
it
on
the
record,
because
I've
got
a
story
that
I'd
like
to
finish
up
on
it
to
touch
up
where
you
started
and
left
off,
because
I
think
it's
very
crucial
with
what's
going
on
with
the
city
right
now,.
I
I'm
writing
this
letter
to
go
on
record
while
dan
saraki
campaigning
for
mayor
sorry,
it's
cursive,
I'm
not
that
good.
In
oldham
february
2022,
he
told
me
eric
seidel's
intentions
were
to
change
the
zoning
to
put
12
story
buildings
to
one
part
office,
one
first
office
dan
soraki
needs
to
stop
in
insinuating
that
I
am
a
liar.
I
I
I
I
asked
you
a
question
on
the
same
platform,
which
was
your
media
platform
for
your
campaign,
and
you
took,
I
don't
know
whether
you
took
it,
but
I
know
that
your
campaign
took
it
as
an
insult
and
you
didn't
read
what
I
was
writing,
because
there's
one
thing
that
I
said
to
eric
seidel
when
I
ran,
I
will
never
back
down.
If
I
don't
agree
with
you,
I
said
that
to
him
a
week
before
I
was
possibly
gonna.
When
I
was
running
against
andrew
and
I
said
to
him,
I
will
always
butt
heads
with
you.
I
If
there's
a
problem-
and
that
was
the
biggest
olive
branch,
I
was
throwing
your
way
to
express
to
the
people
these
people
here
these
people
here
to
explain
it,
and
I
was
very
clear
about
what
I
wanted
in
the
first
sentence
was
key
west,
never
changed,
never
changed.
What
they're
proposing
to
build
is
five
stories
higher.
It's
not
key
west.
I
So
I
made
sure
that
I
was
sending
you
a
message
on
that
to
get
your
point
across,
but
instead
we've
gone
down
this
attacking
and
yelling
and
screaming.
I
I
went
on
to
your
page.
I
went
on
to
the
next
door,
I
put
the
same
thing:
people
attacked
and
then
some
trash
bag
from
lago
comes
in
and
attacks
me
saying
that
I
supported
you
and
I
sent
you
a
tech
stand
and
you
didn't
even
respond.
I
I'm
like
what
and
then
I
heard
the
rest.
I've
heard
all
from
dave.
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people.
You
could
have
killed
this
as
an
elected
official
somebody
that's
running
for
me.
You
could
have
stopped
that,
but
I
know
it's
a
campaign.
I
understand
that's
what
you
have
to
do
to
get
elected,
but
it's
wrong.
I
It
divided
this
city
and
I'm
very
upset
about
that.
That's
not
the
word
I
was
going
to
use.
You
need
to
stop
this.
You
need
to
be
a
mayor
now
and
stop
this.
As
for
the
density,
it's
an
incentive.
You
guys
all
know
that
once
it's
voted
in
nothing
changes,
it's
still
six
stories.
It's
still
six
stories,
commercial.
I
don't
want
commercial.
I
don't
want
six
stories.
That's
it
simple!
I
don't
want
that
by
putting
the
incentive
in
place,
you
brought
it
down
with
the
woodfield
project,
one
that
I
wasn't
saying.
I
Q
C
C
C
C
C
C
R
R
R
Q
M
But
I
know
that
no,
but
I
know
that
chip
just
met
with
them
so
I'll
follow
up,
but
I
know
that
chip
just
had
a
meeting
with
them
like
last
week.
Maybe
let
me.
C
N
Q
Q
N
H
M
I
S
Q
K
R
N
A
I'd
like
to
talk
to
the
council
about
the
motion
making
a
motion
I'd
like
to
make
a
choice
because
of
our
50
50
split
with
the
with
the
community
coming
out
here
to
vote
today.
O
A
N
I'll
start,
since
I
made
the
motion
first
just
wanted
to
say
thanks
to
everybody
that
came
out
tonight
and
shared
their
comments,
opinions,
facts
and
anything
else
that
how,
if
you
want
to
describe
the
words
that
were
shared
tonight,
I
think
obviously
this
is
a
very
divided
and
contentious
issue,
as
it
is,
however,
in
some
of
the
words
that
were
probably
shared
among
some
is
that,
by
considering
the
approval
of
this
ordinance
and
its
companion,
one
that
we
will
vote
on
after
this.
N
Potentially
it
doesn't
guarantee
that
anything
happens
tomorrow,
a
month
from
now,
maybe
even
a
year
from
now
or
longer,
as
some
folks
have
said,
it's
viewed
as
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
or
on
the
tool
belt,
and
I
think
that
is
important
to
consider
when
it
comes
to
having
every
option
available
to
attract
something
there.
We
don't
know
what
that
something
is
obviously
there's
something
on
the
table
right
now.
N
N
I
feel
like
some
folks,
regardless
of
how
many
people
may
live
in
any
structure,
just
don't
like
the
structure,
because
it's
something
that's
out
there,
it's
visible!
It's
presented
right,
it's
it's
something
almost
tangible
and
that's
probably
driving
some
of
the
opposition,
but
maybe
not
all
of
it.
N
N
N
So
I
think
that's
important
to
consider,
regardless
of
if
it's
something
built
at
30
units
per
acre,
65
90,
whatever
the
number
is,
it
doesn't
matter,
anybody
that's
going
to
come
in
and
build
it
whether
we're
going
to
build
something
or
a
developer
is
going
to
build
it
they're.
Looking
for
a
return
on
investment,
I
mean
that's
why
anybody
invests
in
anything
right,
you're,
looking
to
make
a
return
now,
if
you
want
to
have
other
impacts
on
top
of
that
somebody
that
is
a
member
of
the
community.
I
think
that's
just
an
added
bonus.
N
You
have
to
change
the
composition
of
your
development
instead
of
building
studio
apartments,
one
bedroom,
two
bedroom
units
now
you're
going
to
be
building
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
So
is
there
really
going
to
be
a
huge,
tangible
effect
on
how
many
people
live
in
that
structure?
I
don't
know
I'm
not
in
the
development
business,
so
I
can't
fully
answer
that
question
with
confidence.
However,.
N
Basically,
what
I
view
as
with
this
is
because
there's
so
much
division,
and
it's
rang
true
over
and
over
again
with
many
of
the
people
that
have
spoke
on
both
sides
of
this
issue
and
not
just
this
issue,
but
many
others
is
people
aren't
informed
they
feel
like
they
are
disconnected
from
their
community
or
just
not
tuned
into
what's
going
on
so
part
of
what
I
intend
to
do,
regardless
of
what
happens
tonight
is
when
we
have
our
annual
planning
conference
in
a
few
weeks,
which
we
will
maybe
set
our
date
tonight
on
this
agenda
is
to
bring
forward
more
proposal
to
expand
upon
our
council
priority
of
a
connected
community.
N
I
talked
to
my
dad
earlier
on
the
phone
and
him
and
I
get
along
for
the
most
part,
but
we
don't
always-
and
we
talked
we
kind
of
talked
at
all
different
sorts
of
things
and
ultimately
we
settled
and
kind
of
closed
out
our
conversation
about
compromise,
and
so
that's
what
I
feel
like.
Regardless
of
what
happens
tonight,
there
are
other
things
that
we
need
to
do
and
jared.
The
presentation
you
made
earlier
was
great.
N
I
think
some
of
those
ideas
are
things
that
should
be
explored
within
these
programs
that
we
hopefully
can
come
to
a
consensus
and
push
forward.
So
I
think,
with
that,
I
will
pass
off
the
yeah
well
just
for
someone
else
to
speak.
Thank
you.
O
All
right,
thank
you,
mayor,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight.
Thank
you
to
all
of
our
residents
who
came
out
tonight
and
non-residents
who
came
out
tonight,
anyone
inside
or
outside.
O
O
It
was
really
important
to
me
and
I'm
very
grateful
that
the
city
staff
took
the
time
to
put
out
the
speakers
outside
to
open
the
state
street
center
to
make
sure
that
we
did
not
have
any
sort
of
miscommunications
or
or
a
loss
of
the
opportunity
for
anyone
to
speak
or
give
their
opinion.
O
O
O
August,
17th
and
december
7th
the
fears
and
the
concerns
of
these
residents,
who
are
opponents
and
who
are
proponents
wherever
they
fall.
Their
fears
and
concerns
are
very
legitimate
and
need
to
be
taken
very
seriously.
O
O
O
I
would
very
much
like
to
review
your
presentation
in
more
detail
a
little
slower.
I
know
you
only
had
five
minutes.
You
know
it's
come
across
clear
that
people
want
retail
space
park,
space,
public
art.
We
have
ample
medical
facilities.
O
If
we
reach
the
step
of
having
essential
terms
of
a
development
agreement
for
any
proposal
that
implicates
these
density
incentive
ordinances
and
meets
the
application
process,
then
the
public
has
to
have
the
opportunity
a
meaningful
opportunity
to
review
and
comment
on
that
proposal,
similar
to
the
town
halls.
We
did
for
the
library
proposal
and
more.
O
Because,
if
a
development
agreement,
if
that
applicant,
includes
an
application
for
this
bonus
incentive,
if
that
is
approved,
then
then
at
that
point
it
would
increase
the
density
for
that
particular
development,
not
the
tccr
as
a
whole,
but
for
that
particular
development.
If
we
get
to
those
essential
terms,
this
these
ordinances
could
broaden
the
variety
of
proposals
that
this
council
or
a
future
council.
As
history
has
indicated,
it's
a
future
council
we'll
have
you
know
the
opportunity
to
review.
O
O
The
required
concurrency
studies
on
impacts
to
traffic
environment,
storm
water,
civil
engineering,
f,
dot
this
to
me,
and
I
respect
the
perspective
of
those
who
said
it.
But
from
my
perspective
this
is
not
a
a
decision
made
in
haste
or
a
point
of
finality
to
me.
It's
a
it's
a
beginning.
It's
it's
it's
a
potential,
and
I
understand
that
it
has
a
potential
to
bring
us
proposals
for
higher
densities.
O
There's
an
existing
proposal
at
a
higher
density.
It
has
a
potential
to
bring
us
proposals
at
any
density,
including
the
current
one,
30
40
50
65.
O
Our
residents
were
speaking
during
open
forum
about
what
occurred
on
st
pete
drive
and,
of
course,
because
it's
inherently
emotional,
but
also
because
that
was
my-
why
that's
still
my
why
parents
safety
programming
for
young
people,
the
way
that
the
city
has
changed-
you
know
leisure
services.
Everything
has
has
continued
to
shift
toward
that
focus.
I
want
to
continue
doing
that.
O
Council
member
knapp
mentioned
the
upcoming
planning
conference
and
I
intend
to
discuss
at
that
planning
conference
our
council
priorities,
because
I
recognize
that,
while
there
may
have
been
priorities
of
the
past
to
me,
I
wish
councils
of
the
past
had
prioritized
infrastructure
in
the
way
that
we
have
been
forced
to
in
the
past
six
years
or
the
past
three
years,
because
that
can
was
kicked
down.
O
O
Not
just
the
impact
of
580
and
tampa
road
are
the
adjacent
streets.
This
is
a
clear
concern
of
our
residents
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
it's
necessary
for
the
library
site
as
well.
I
recognize
that
that's
at
a
different
point
in
the
process
and
as
was
read
by
our
city
manager,
there
are
14
developer
responsibilities
for
that
particular
proposal
and
four
proposed
variances.
O
You
know
the
downtown
is
important
it.
It
is
absolutely
a
component
of
the
city
of
oldsmar,
but
you
know
this
one
seven
acre
parcel
it's
one
of
many,
many
that
we
are
tasked
to
give
our
attention
and
concern
to
you
know
the
downtown
was
not
my
why,
but
it
is
before
us
and
and
in
this
very
limited
manner,
want
to
make
clear
my
motivation
for
keeping
this
item
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
for
not
wishing
to
postpone
the
vote.
O
O
O
This
city
has
spent
sums
of
money
on
the
past
on
different
priorities.
Simultaneously,
we
can
look
at
the
traffic
simultaneously
as
we
look
at
proposals
for
downtown
and
we
can
prioritize
addressing
the
very
valid
and
legitimate
concerns
that
our
residents
have
at
junctures,
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
something
about
those
concerns.
Q
You
mayor,
thank
you,
everyone
for
participating
tonight.
I
know
that's
been
said
before
to
the
city
staff
who's
still
here
sue.
I
promise
I'm
gonna
get
to
you
later,
but
for
setting
up
tonight's
meeting
a
lot
of
the
logistics
which
weren't
seen
which
we
wouldn't
had
to
do
before,
with
the
anticipated
crowd,
the
sheriff's
department,
the
firefighters
being
here.
Thank
you
and
a
special
thank
you
to
the
folks
who
have
reached
out
to
me
personally
to
discuss
this.
Q
The
ordinance
and
the
amendment
to
the
ordinance
and
just
to
be
sure,
continue
to
do
that
about
whatever
it
is
we've
discussed
in
the
past
or
what
we
may
discuss
in
the
future.
That's
what
we're
here
for,
and
so
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
I
welcome
it.
I
try
to
make
time
as
best
I
can
in
order
to
address
those
things.
I
know
all
of
us
do.
Q
Q
I'm
not
I'm
voting
on
whether
or
not
language
needs
to
be
changed
in
ordinances
and
I've
never
seen
sides
in
yards
about
language
being
changed
in
ordinances
and
that's
what
I've
tried
to
explain
to
lots
of
folks.
You
may
not
like
what
you've
seen
in
the
pictures
or
what
has
been
being
told
to
you.
You
may
think
that
somebody
can
say
well.
This
will
allow
just
apartment
complexes
to
be
popped
up
everywhere.
Q
Q
What
are
we
doing
is
it's.
Should
the
language
be
changed?
Yes
or
no
so
there's
been
a
whole
bunch
of
arguments
back
and
forth
about
it
a
whole
bunch
of
discussion,
but
that's
what's
been
on
the
table
december
7th
when
we
talked
about
it
back
in
august
all
the
way
on
through,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
say
that
as
easily
as
possible
for
everybody
to
kind
of
understand,
getting
all
the
way
to
what
is
going
to
go.
Q
There
is
putting
everything
so
far
down
when
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
as
vice
mayor
buckman
said,
what
should
be
done
is
maybe
we
need
to
examine
all
options
I
think,
and
since
it
was
probably
17
or
18
hours
ago,
I
have
to
paraphrase
you,
but
it
was.
Maybe
we
need
the
density.
Maybe
we
don't.
I
don't
know
if
this
incentive
is
allowed,
then
we
can
explore.
Q
You
know.
Maybe
30
wasn't
going
to
work,
but
maybe
it
could
be
here.
Maybe
we
do
need
it
all
the
way
to
65.
But
those
are
your
own
words.
Maybe
we
need
it?
Maybe
we
don't.
I
don't
know
amending
the
code
to
read
that
allows
exactly
what
you
said
is
what
we
needed
in
order
to
discuss
it.
I
think
that's
what
some
folks
tried
to
point
out
but
again
as
easy
as
possible,
as
I
can
make
it
that's.
Q
That
was
part
of
your
presentation,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
pointed
out
and
pointed
out
specifically
the
rest
of
what
I
wanted
to
discuss
has
been
well
articulated
by
everybody
who
came
up
and
spoke
tonight.
The
comments
we've
already
received,
I'm
anxious
to
hear
what
vice
mayor,
buckman
and
mayor
saraki
have
to
say
so
with
that.
Thank
you,
mayor.
R
Vice
mayor,
thank
you
mayor.
First.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
coming
out
the
citizens,
the
staff
and
kathy
sheriff's
office
fire
department.
I
think
many
thanks
all
around
all
the
city
staff
coming
on
doing
this.
R
For
the
record,
there
was
no
special
privilege
afforded
me
tonight
to
do
that
presentation.
I
had
a
conversation
with
tom,
trask
and
felicia
donnelly
this
morning
about
that
when
I
stood
up
that
podium
today,
I
stood
there
as
a
citizen,
not
as
a
council
member
to
present
my
ideas.
There
was
no
special
privileges
afforded
me.
R
There
are
people
who
are
against
this
density
issue.
There
are
people
who
are
for
this
density
issue.
There
are
people
that
are
for
the
density
issue
that
were
my
friends
before
the
election,
but
when
I
came
here
two
weeks
ago
and
said
to
everybody
that
55
of
you
voted
for
me,
45
of
you
did
not-
and
I
recognized
that,
but
I've
had
one.
No
I've
had
one
phone
call
from
somebody
who
was
for
the
density
to
have
that
discussion
to
help
me
hear
your
viewpoints.
R
R
R
So
I'm
asking
you
to
please
reach
out
to
me:
let's
calm
down
the
tensions
and
figure
that
out,
but
one
of
the
most
confusing
things
for
me-
and
maybe
it's
my
newness
on
council
is
I
keep
hearing
that
we've
been
doing
this
for
25
years
and
I
agree
I've
seen
it
we've
seen
all
the
plans
we've
seen
everything
that
we
want
to
do.
We've
had
all
these
great
plans,
but
specifically
about
the
density
issue.
We've
had
three
meetings.
R
R
R
R
The
biggest
concern
about
everything
is
the
traffic
and
we
owe
it
to
our
citizens.
We
owe
it
to
our
businesses
before
we
put
something
in
writing
to
say,
if
a
developer
takes
full
control
of
that
or
full
advantage
of
the
65
units
breaker.
What
is
the
impact?
That's
all
these
density,
who
these
against
density
folks
are
asking
for
that.
One
simple
study:
yes,
it's
probably
costly!
Okay,
but
if
a
developer
comes
in
and
says
I'm
gonna
do
65.
R
I
think
we
all
kind
of
know
where
it's
going
to
go
tonight,
but
that
disagreement
doesn't
mean
we're
not
going
to
work
together
and
that
disagreement
doesn't
mean
we
can't
be
a
community
get
together.
I
said
it
two
weeks
ago,
I
said
it
december
7th.
You
got
a
problem
with
the
process
attack
the
process.
You
got
a
problem
with
a
citizen
or
a
council
member
or
a
chamber,
member
or
city
staff.
R
A
A
A
I
haven't
been
on
council.
I've
been
on
council
since
2015.
I've
been
working
real
hard
to
build
trust
to
this
city,
and
I
would
never
do
anything
wrong
to
any
of
the
citizens
in
this
city.
Ever
I'd
like
to
say
one
thing
to
tontiana.
Your
presentation
again
was
excellent
and
I
know
you're
starting
to
fall
asleep,
but
thanks
for
hanging
in
there.
A
A
One
of
the
most
important
things
is
at
the
planning
council.
We
need
to
really
come
with
ideas
for
the
future
of
our
city.
I
feel
that
all
of
us
have
the
grit.
We
have
all
have
got.
We've
got
great
ideas,
we're
going
to
come
together,
we're
going
to
work
together
and
we're
going
to
find
solutions
for
our
city
for
the
future
of
its
residents.
A
A
R
Q
N
O
O
C
B
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
ordinance
2021-26
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
oldsmore
florida
mending
the
town
center
development
code,
amending
section,
2.1
to
add
definitions
for
density
intensity,
averaging
and
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
amending
section
3.7.1,
providing
that
mixed-use
densities
may
be
permitted
up
to
65
units
per
acre
subject
to
the
mixed
use.
B
A
M
O
A
L
A
A
R
A
M
Item
number:
seven
presentation
of
proclamation
for
the
mayor's
water
conservation
challenge
proclaiming
april
1st
through
30th
2022,
is
the
water
conservation
month
in
the
city
of
oldsmar
and
calling
upon
residents
to
take
an
outline,
an
online
pledge
to
conserve
our
natural
resources.
At
this
time
the
mayor
will
read
the
location.
A
M
O
A
M
Q
Week
now.
Therefore,
I
council,
member
steve
graber,
on
behalf
of
dan
saraki,
mayor
of
the
city
of
baltimore
florida,
to
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
april
3rd
to
the
9th
2022
as
national
library
week
in
the
city
of
oldsmar,
and
encourage
all
residents
to
connect
with
their
library
by
visiting
online
or
in
person
to
access
resources
and
services
dated
this
fifth
day
of
april
2022.
C
H
O
A
M
The
con,
the
consensus
that
I
was
able
to
find
is
tuesday
april
26
at
2
p.m
and
then
on
the
next
agenda,
we'll
we'll
discuss
rescheduling
the
the
previously
scheduled
cip
at
2pm,
okay
to
another
date,.
A
Q
M
I
I
don't
have
any
any
particular.
I
believe
that
you
can
ask
the.
Q
On
monday,
it's
where
they're,
it's
usually
the
second
monday
of
the
month,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
from
10
a.m,
to
12
p.m,
and
so
they
may.
They
may
remain
virtual.
However,
if
they
don't
then
to
be
in
person,
tracking
attendance
and
those
sorts
of
things,
I
just
can't
commit
to
another
year-long
commitment.
A
I
A
O
I
would
make
a
motion
to
appoint
andrew
knapp
council
member
andrew
knapp
as
our
representative
to
the
tampa
bay,
regional
planning,
council
and
tampa
bay,
regional
resiliency
coalition.
A
Wonderful,
do
I
have
a
second
second?
Oh
okay.
I've
got
a
motion
by
council
member
katie
gannon
in
a
second
by
jared
buckman,
to
approve
andrew
knapp
as
our
new
tampa
bay,
regional
planning,
council
member.
All,
in
fact,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
right,
all
right,
hi!
Any
opposed!
All
right
motion
passes
council
comments.
Let's
start
with
council
member
great,
nothing.
R
Just
a
couple,
real,
quick
things
really
excited
about
the
pineapples
festival
of
community
bands.
Coming
to
our
this
weekend,
my
wife
being
a
musician,
my
daughter
and
band.
It's
gonna
be
a
really
exciting
time
and
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
other
events
but
I'll
keep.
It
short
tonight
excited
about
being
at
earth
fair
in
about
seven
hours,
yeah.
A
R
Excited
about
that,
I
do
want
to
bring
up
osmo
days
and
nights.
What
a
great
event
that
was.
I
did
take
one
for
the
team.
I
competed
with
the
chamber
in
the
wing
war,
the
hot
wing
war
and
I
won.
You
did.
O
A
N
N
Thank
you
mayor,
just
just
a
couple
of
things.
I
know
a
lot's
been
said
tonight
about
the
the
tragedy
that
took
place
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
a
couple
things
related
to
that.
N
First
off,
I
know.
Obviously
we
have
our
annual
planning
conference
coming
up,
so
I
don't
know
when
the
the
investigation
will
complete
surrounding
what
took
place,
but
I
would
hope
in
quick
succession,
after
that,
we
can
hopefully
have
some
action
take
place.
Hope
if
that
means
even
an
extra
work
session,
that
we
have
to
schedule
to
bring
the
community
together
to
get.
N
You
know
some
traction
there,
so
I
really
I'm
looking
for
as
unfortunate
as
is
I'm
looking
forward
to
us
finding
a
way
to
improve
the
safety
of
our
streets
and
then
on
a
related
note
to
that.
I
spoke
with
a
few
individuals
and
based
on
what
took
place
during
that.
I
wanted
to
extend
a
sincere
thank
you
to
eddie
martinez,
who
was
first
on
the
scene.
N
Obviously,
in
this
instance,
it's
not
about
a
patriot
but
a
hero,
so
I
would
hope
that
maybe
the
council
would
like
to
consider
as
a
future
item
to
recognize
him
and
whether
reusing
that
name
or
repurposing,
that
name
and
doing
something
for
him
as
well
as
obviously
something
in
the
future
in
memory
of
leah.
So
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
O
Lots
of
events
coming
up
that
ann
talked
about
it's
all
available
on
our
website.
I
don't
want
to
make
a
list
now.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
still
watching
online
or
still
here
for
coming
tonight,
for
reaching
out
to
me
whether
it
was
by
phone
or
in
person
I
want
to
as
council
member
nat
mentioned,.
O
Have
a
work
session
or
something
to
address
in
some
way.
You
know
I
I
talked
to
a
couple
of
residents
who,
who
put
it,
how
I
would
put
it,
which
is
you
know.
I
know
there
are
areas
where
I
feel
unsafe,
with
my
kids
right
crossing
the
street
wherever
it
is,
I'm
not
a
traffic
engineer,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
required
federal
guidelines.
I've
I've,
you
know,
read.
O
O
I
know
that
it
was
possible
to
kind
of
stuff
it
all
in
one
day
to
have
the
planning
conference
then
capital
improvement.
Then
you
know
go
to
the
volunteer
banquet,
but
it
was
really
important
to
me
that
we
give
enough
time
for
both
of
those
things
separately,
because,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
I
think
well
and
as
we've
all
mentioned
different
things
this
evening-
that
we
hope
to
talk
about
at
that
planning
conference
and
potentially
later
at
the
capital
improvement
meeting.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
sufficient
time
that
we
could
do
that.
O
C
A
A
All
right
well,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
council,
member
again,
all
right,
I
just
have
a
couple
things:
earth
fair
tomorrow,
7
30
a.m.
Ribbon
cutting
excited
about
that
they're
coming
back
into
town.
I
would
shop
there
all
the
time.
I
was
very
depressed
when
they
closed,
so
I'm
really
really
excited
about
this.
I
attended
two
of
the
open
houses
last
week
and
I
really
want
to
give
kudos
to
the
city
staff.
I
mean
you
guys
were
all
there.
I
was
at
the
gal
air
one.
A
I
got
there
a
little
bit
late
because
I
was
at
a
meeting,
but
when
I
got
there
there
were
a
lot
of
residents
there
very,
very
positive,
andrew.
I
just
want
to
say
councilmember
nat.
Thank
you
for
coming
up
with
that
idea
of
those
those
open
houses,
very
productive
for
our
citizens.
I
thought
they
were
really
well
ran,
very
organized
great
job,
and
then
I
went
to
the
one
in
the
morning.
I
was
a
little
tired,
but
I
got
there
at
nine
o'clock.
A
A
A
They
will
be
here
in
oldsmar
next
week,
wednesday,
the
13th
I'm
inviting
everyone
on
the
council
and
everybody
else
wants
to
come
and
you're
invited
felicia
tom
kathy
we're
having
a
hockey
shootout
at
2
15
at
the
hockey
rink.
Oh,
no
way
awesome.
Yes,
we
have
a
goalie
one
of
the
city.
Employees
is
going
to
be
a
goalie.
A
The
class
will
be
doing
a
shootout.
If
you,
if
you
score
a
goal,
you
go
to
the
next
round
and
you
keep
going
and
we're
going
to
have
a
winner
and
we're
going
to
get
dinner
for
two
for
somewhere
we're
working
on
that
and
then,
after
that,
we're
heading
over
the
bus
will
be
heading
over
to
here
to
take
pictures
of
the
artwork
outside
the
wings
outside
and
then
they're
coming
up
here.
A
A
A
O
A
Yes,
so
we
finally
found
that
we've
been
doing
zoom
calls
like
at
five
o'clock
the
last
couple
days
and
we
finally
got
it
finalized
everything
is
done
and
we've
got
sponsors
and
thank
you
to
all
the
sponsors
and
it's
all
coming
together
and
it's
going
to
be
a
great
day
great
day
for
leadership
pinellas,
and
that
is
really
a
great
organization.
I
really
I
really
do
enjoy
that
as
you
guys
know
and
other
than
that
last
thing
was
oldsmar
days
very
successful.
A
I
do
want
to
mention
one
thing
that
jason
that
you're
here
the
six
hour
shift
beer
shift
is
a
little
bit
long.
I
think
I
would
like
to
change
that.
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
next
time
is:
maybe
we're
going
to
have
a
council
member
go
to
each
shift,
maybe
so
account.
So
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
sunshine
law
or
anything
like
that,
and
maybe
a
council
member
could
go
to
each
shift
during
the
during
the
weekend.
A
Other
than
that,
that's
it
for
council
comments.
We're
gonna,
move
on
to
item
14,
we're
going
to
approve
the
tenant
of
agenda
for
april
19th
councilman.
Would
anybody
like
to
add
anything
to
the
to
the
tentative
agenda?
R
So,
in
light
of
everything-
and
it's
been
on
my
radar
for
a
while
visiting
other
councils
around
other
city
councils
in
my
run
for
election-
I
love
you,
but
I
would
love
to
see
us
add
something
where
local
spiritual
leaders
are
giving
the
invocation
in
our
readings.
A
Okay,
I
also
would
like
to
add
something
please
I
would
like
to
add
july
5th.
I
would
like
to
move
that
meeting
that's
the
day
after
of
july
4th
or
I'd
like
to
cancel
that
we've
I've
been
on
council
before
when
mayor
beavis
was
on.
He
was
the
mayor
on
council
and
we
did
cancel
one
time
katie.
I
believe
you
were
on
too
at
that
time.
Yeah.