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D
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I
put
that
letter
together,
not
just
for
me
but
for
the
fellow
oldsmar
citizens
who
for
months
expressed
to
me
anger
and
frustration.
As
I
campaigned
for
city
council
just
six
months
ago,
I
was
on
the
campaign
trail
talking
to
people
in
every
neighborhood,
as
appointed
decision
makers.
If
you
have
not
personally
walked
through
the
neighborhoods
and
talked
with
our
residents,
you
may
not
know
that
they
feel
disenfranchised.
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F
F
F
So
what
I
would
suggest
if
you
could
recommend
to
council
that
when
there's
a
big
item
like
the
ones
you're
going
to
talk
about
tonight,
that
they
they
think
about
really
having
a
town
hall
and
advertising
it
better,
because
I
accidentally
found
out
about
this
meeting
tonight
and
what
you're
discussing
so
I'm
here.
Most
people
have
no
idea
what's
happening
and
they're
going
to
be
the
ones
that
after
everything's
done
say
well.
F
F
To
be
here-
and
I
do
and
there's
not
very
many
people
that
do,
but
over
the
last
10
election
cycles,
we've
gone
through
this
with
the
city
of
people
are
asking
candidates.
F
How
do
I
get
better
informed
and
al's
great
at
sending
out
the
newsletter,
but
there
was
nothing
in
the
newsletter
about
what's
happening
regarding
what
you're
going
to
discuss
tonight.
So
there's
has
to
be
some
better
form
of
communication.
These
are
major
issues
you
guys
are
talking
about
for
the
city
of
oldsmore.
You
guys
need
to
make
sure
not
you,
but
you
can.
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F
You
know
we
used
to
have
the
insert
in
the
water
bill
and
we
used
to
have
the
old,
smart
news.
Sorry
jeff,
there's
a
marquee
out
in
tampa
road.
You
can
put
it
on
that
planning
planning
meeting
for
city
center
come
I
mean,
there's
just
other
things.
We,
nobody
knows,
I'm
not
kidding.
I
talk
to
a
lot
of
people
and
nobody
knows
and
we
don't
want
to
be
the
ones
that's
well.
Why
did
you
do
that
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
and
no
one
can
do
anything
about
it?
So.
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F
E
Since
I've
been
here
longer
than
anybody,
there
was
a
time
when
this
board
had
some
power.
Our
recommendations
were
more
than
recommendations.
If
we
decided
we
didn't
like
a
certain
item,
we
voted
it
down.
It
had
to
go
to
city
council
and
come
back
to
us
several
years
ago.
Kathy
how
many
years
ago
did
we
have
a
city
planner
who
decided
that
he
wanted
to
be
the
one
to
make
the
decisions,
not
the
training
board.
So
before
that
happened,
we
had
some
power
to
make
some
actual
things
happen.
E
There
was
communication
and
believe
you
me
years
ago,
when
the
town
was
much
smaller
than
it
is
now.
We
had
a
much
larger
audience
at
night
than
we
do
tonight,
because
we
had
some
power
and
they
knew
we
had
power.
But
since
that
power
has
been
taken
away
and
we
are
simply
nothing
more
than
a
recommending
board,
the
city
council
can
do
whatever
they
want
to.
After
we
have
our
meeting,
and
we
have
don't
say
so.
It's
just
done
so
we're
just
recommending.
So
your
point
was,
you
will
take
it.
E
I
believe
you
me
I'm
one
of
the
ones
who
raised
the
most
about
losing
the
power,
because
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
my
wife
is
a
planner,
and
so
she
got
me
interested
in
it
and
that's
where
he's
not
going
to
play
forward
way
back
whenever
that
was,
and
it
was,
and
he
wasn't
good
when
he
has
power,
and
I
I
think
it
worked
much
better,
but
then
that
changed
and
there's
never
been
any
reason.
I
guess
to
try
to
change
it
back.
So
thank
you.
Jeremy.
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Wendy's
site
so
tccr,
the
current
zoning
standards
tccr
district
is
established
to
provide
suitable
area
for
retailing
and
service
facilities,
residential
development
and
densities,
up
to
30
units
per
acre
with
maximum
impervious
surface
area
of
0.9
and
maximum
floor
area
ratio
of
2.0
with
maximum
height
of
75
feet.
So
these
are
current
standards.
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G
I
would
like
to
cover
some
of
the
definitions,
how
they
are
defined
in
the
land
development
code,
so
the
mixed
use
development,
which
can
include
the
structures
constructed
with
retail
other
non-residential
uses
constructed
at
street
level
and
residential
dwellings
constructed
above
the
retail
or
non-residential
use.
This
is
a
current
definition
of
a
mixed
use.
Vertically
integrated
mixed-use
definition
is
introduced
with
this
code
amendment.
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The
definition
section
continues
with
defining
what
the
far
the
floor
area
ratio
is.
It's
a
measure
of
intensity,
as
I
mentioned,
of
the
building
development
on
the
site.
The
floor
area
ratio
is
the
relationship
between
between
the
gross
floor
area
on
the
site
and
the
land
area.
The
far
is
calculated
by
adding
together
all
of
the
floor
area,
of
all
the
buildings
on
the
site
and
divided
by
the
gross
land
area
by
the
parcel
activity
center.
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So
any
code
amendment
has
to
comply
with
article
3,
section
3.13.2,
which
provides
standards
for
approval
for
proposed
code
amendments.
The
amendment
complies
the
first
a
criteria
is
the
amendment
complies
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
advances
the
purpose
of
the
land
development
code,
comprehensive
plan
amendment
is
being
applied
simultaneously
to
ensure
consistency
with
the
land
development
code
and
the
county-wide
rules.
Density
bonus
is
only
applied
to
a
defined
area.
The
tccr
district
density
bonus
is
only
applicable
to
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development.
G
This
table
here
provides
a
good
summary
of
what's
being
proposed
and,
what's
current,
so
the
existing
tccr
density,
as
you
can
see,
is
30
units
per
acre
the
existing
comp
plan.
It
is
also
30
units
per
acre.
What
is
proposed
under
the
density
bonus
within
this
district
is
65
units
per
acre
under
the
county-wide
rules
for
the
activity
center
or
which
the
tccr
in
the
cra
area
is
it's
90
units
per
acre,
so
we
can
see
that
we're
way
below
the
approved
by
the
county.
G
The
hotel
density
allows
80
units
per
acre
currently
in
the
complement
was
not
expressed,
and
with
the
proposed
density
under
the
bonus
area.
It's
up
to
150
units
per
acre
outside
of
the
bonus
area.
It's
still
going
to
remain
at
80
units
per
acre,
so
we're
not
exactly
changing
it
for
the
whole
area,
we're
just
only
updating
it
for
that
bonus
area
in
tccr,
under
the
county-wide
rules,
we're
still
in
compliance,
it's
150
units
per
acre,
the
intensity,
which
is
the
floor
area
ratio.
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Existing
tccr
has
it
at
2.0
far,
which
was
an
inconsistency
because
under
the
existing
comp
plan
it's
1.0
far
and
the
way
it
works,
you
can
be
more
restrictive
with
your
zoning,
but
you
can
never
be
above,
what's
currently
permitted
in
your
comprehensive
plan,
comprehensive
plan,
it's
kind
of
like
what
you
have
to
be
under,
so
we're
correcting
that
with
this
code,
amendment
as
well,
the
proposed
tccr
density
intensity
bonus
is
going
to
be
2.0
far.
So
technically
we're
not
even
changing
it.
G
If
you
see
what
was
permitted
originally,
it
was
2.0
far
and
we're
here
introducing
the
two-point
far
as
a
bonus
for
this
area.
We're
changing
it
in
the
overall
to
one
point
far
and
then
under
the
county-wide
rules
were
way
less
because
they
permit
3.0
floor
area
ratio.
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17,
3178
to
address
hurricane
evacuation,
shelters
closures
and
re-entry
plans
proposed
projects
in
the
bonus
area
are
subject
to
development
agreement
procedures.
So
a
developer,
a
potential
developer
will
have
to
enter
into
a
development
agreement
with
the
city,
at
which
point
every
element
will
be
discussed
with
the
city.
There
will
be
public
hearings
for
those
discussions
and.
G
G
The
amendment
will
not
grant
a
special
privilege
to
an
individual
property
owner.
This
amendment
will
allow
facili
to
facilitate
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
within
the
entire
tccr
district,
and
if
we
go
back
to
the
map,
this
red
boundary
is
where
the
amendment
is
proposed
again.
So.
G
I
wanted
to
mention
that
half
of
this
is
already
developed
with
hotels
at
a
higher
density,
so
we
have
what
three
four
hotels
and
the
wall
behind
it
with
some
retail
heavy
kind
of
like
retail,
and
this
will
continue
the
same-
will
continue
as
you
look
on
state
street,
so
the
same
concept
we
wanted
to
continue
but
make
it
more
friendly.
So,
instead
of
building
a
wall,
there
will
be
more
of
retail
where
you
can
go
from
state.
G
C
G
G
Sorry,
amendments
to
the
crd
land
use
category
to
allow
density
intensity
bonus
for
mixed-use
development
within
the
same
multi-storey
building
for
an
area-long
tampa
road
corridor.
The
proposed
bonus
in
the
crd
would
allow
up
to
65
units
per
acre
for
residential
150
units
for
for
transit,
accommodations
and
the
floor
area
ratio.
G
G
G
Activity
centers
are
designed
at
a
size
and
scales
that
allow
for
internal
circulation
by
pedestrians,
bicyclists
and
transit
users
and
typically
encompass
an
area
in
the
radial
pattern
within
walking
distance
of
up
to
a
quarter
mile
to
half
a
mile
of
a
central
point
or
a
hub
served
by
transit.
This
is
a
county
definition
of
the
activity
center,
of
which
our
entire
town
center
area
is
it's
identified
on
the
map
on
the
county
white
as
the
activity
center
previously
approved.
G
This
is
the
table
that
you've
already
seen
only
this
is
how
it
relates
to
the
proposed
complaint
density
again:
65
units
per
acre
150
for
the
hotel
2.0
for
ffar
way
under
what's
countywide
rules
approved
under
the
countywide
rules.
G
Because
we
are
located
in
an
activity
center,
we
also
take
advantage
of
the
density
bonus
under
section
4.2.3.6,
where
we
actually
qualify
for
it.
The
proposed
amendment
meets
the
requirements
of
section
4.2.3.6
of
the
county-wide
rules,
which
allows
communities
to
establish
density
bonuses
to
permit
the
full
allocation
of
residential
density
and
non-residential
intensity
subject
to
applicable
land
development
regulations.
G
G
Access
to
recovers
the
following
items:
access
to
emergency
shelter,
space
and
evacuation
routes,
developments
in
this
area
that
propose
increase
in
density
and
intensity
above
the
current
standards
shall
require
hurricane
evacuation,
closure
and
re-entry
plans.
So
any
development
that
will
come
here
in
oldsmar
will
have
to
comply
to
all
these
standards
in
order
for
it
to
be
approved
at
the
city
at
the
city
level.
Yes,
utilization
of
existing
and
planned
infrastructure,
and,
by
the
way,
some
of
these
slides,
they
may
answer
the
questions
that
were
paused
by
residents.
G
So
utilization
of
existing
and
planned
infrastructure
requested
amendment
will
result
in
the
utilization
of
the
existing
infrastructure,
as
opposed
to
request
requiring
the
expenditure
of
public
funds
for
the
construction
of
new,
unplanned
infrastructure
within
the
potential
to
be
damaged
to
be
damaged
by
the
coastal
storm.
G
This
is
more
of
an
infill
project
what
they
refer
to,
because
it's
already
the
area
that
covers
the
proposed
amendment.
It
has
been
developed
once
so
there's
already
existing
infrastructure
in
the
area,
we're
not
going
out
to
some
wetlands
and
cutting
into
wetlands
and
developing
some
subdivisions
somewhere
in
gated
communities.
So
utilization
of
existing
disturbed
area
requested
amendment
will
result
in
the
utilization
of
existing
disturbed
areas
as
opposed
to
natural
areas
that
buffer
existing
development
from
coastal
storms
just
reiterates.
G
Water
dependent
use,
it's
not
applicable
overall
reduction
in
density
or
intensity,
it's
also
not
applicable,
unless
you
wanted
to
consider
that
you're
actually
changing
updating
the
far
because
it
used
to
be
two,
but
it
wasn't
consistent,
so
we're
changing
it
to
one
point:
zero
far
everywhere
else
in
the
tccr
and
then
clustering
of
uses
is
not
applicable
either
integral
part
of
comprehensive
planning
process.
This
area,
in
which
the
density
bonus
is
proposed
by
this
amendment,
has
been
identified
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
as
an
area
in
which
redevelopment
in
the
town
center
is
encouraged.
G
This
amendment
would
facilitate
such
redevelopment
and
again
this
was
previously
approved
recommendations.
Staff
recommends
approval
of
the
amendment
to
the
community
development
district
crd
land
use
category
to
allow
density
intensity
bonus
for
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
within
the
same
multi-story
building
for
an
area
along
tamper,
road
corridor
temple
road
state
road,
580..
G
Excuse
me,
the
proposed
bonus
would
allow
up
to
65
units
per
acre
for
residential
150
units
per
acre
for
transit,
accommodations
and
a
floor
area.
Ratio
of
2.0
developments
exceeding
the
current
maximum
density
intensity
of
the
crd
category,
which
are
30
units
per
acre
and
far
1,
would
be
required
to
provide
hurricane
evacuation
closures
and
re-entry
plans.
G
C
E
C
E
For
the
oh,
okay,
yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
okay,.
E
Okay,
as
I
said
before,
I've
been
I'm
I'm
the
old
guy
I
was
here
when
tccr
came
about.
E
It
came
about
primarily
from
developers
coming
into
oldsmar
and
basically
taking
advantage
of
small
town,
and
they
did
that
over
and
over
and
over
and
finally
kathy.
When
did
cccr
established.
E
You
don't
remember:
okay,
you
weren't
here
then
either
were
you
okay
anyway,
I
guess
I'm
on
my
own
up
here,
like
I
said
developers
were
coming
in
taking
advantage
of
small
town
politics
and
you
know,
then
somebody
got
the
idea.
Somebody
said
the
idea
that
we
need
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
a
a
plan,
a
system
regulation,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
to
make
sure
that
developers
comply
to
what
we
feel
like
we
want
our
city
to
be
so.
We
worked
on
tccr
and
I'm
telling
you
we
the
board.
E
This
board
spent
hours
and
hours
on
it,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
hours
staff
at
that
time
and
and
the
commissioners
spent
on
it.
But
I
know
it
was
the
amount
of
work
that
went
into
tccr
was
unbelievable.
Just
to
give
you
an
example,
one
night
we
sat
here
at
this
board
and
we
stayed
here
until
11
30
discuss
discussing
the
type
of
facade
we
wanted
on
the
buildings
and
the
type
of
windows.
E
E
So
we
put
a
a
lot
of
work,
was
put
into
tccr
and
a
lot
of
people
and
and
it
finally,
when
it
came
about
to
where
it
where
it
basically
is
today
or
well,
there's
been
some
changes
even
after
that,
but
when
it
came
about
to
where
it
is,
you
know
you
you
can
look
around
and
you
can
see
the
type
of
construction.
That's
that's
around
and
it
it
it
kind
of
matches
it.
It
does
match
it.
E
You
know,
and
if
this,
if
there's
a
building
older
than
40
years,
you
know
it
because
it
doesn't
match
it
sticks
out.
You
know,
and
it's
been
grandfathered
in
so
lots
and
lots
of
time
and
effort
was
put
into
tccr
to
make
sure
that
it
was
what
we
the
residents
at
that
time
felt
like
that.
You
know
we
wanted
our
city
to
be
to
look
like
and
we
finally
came
up
with
it.
You
know-
and
it's
like
I
said
it's
basically
what
it
is
today.
E
G
G
E
Why
why?
Why
do
we?
What
is
it?
I
thought
we
had
everything
finished,
we'll
come
to
find
out
a
developer
had
approached
the
city.
This
kind
of
looks
like
the
same
thing
to
me.
I
don't
know
whether
it
is
or
not
I'm
not
making
any
accusations.
I'm
just
saying
that
it
looks
like
this
is
kind
of
the
same
thing.
Some
developer
has
approached
the
cd
and
said
hey.
E
First
of
all,
those
people,
those
of
us
who
are
residents
of
city
of
oldsmar,
should
have
a
lot
more
say
than
an
outside
developer.
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
a
developer
coming
in
here,
changing
things
and
then
running
out.
After
he's
done,
whatever
damage
or
good
or
whatever
he's
done
and
then
running
out
and
and
we're
stuck
with,
whatever's
happened
because
it's
happened
multiple
times
before
we've
seen
drainage
problems,
we've
seen
all
kinds
of
problems
when
a
developer
runs
in
and
says
I
want
to
do
this.
No,
we
have
to
change
that.
E
E
As
of
right
I
mean
I
can.
I
can
go
on
I've
made
notes
and
I
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
and
on,
but
I'm
telling
you
this
is
this
sucks?
To
put
it
bluntly,
this
is
terrible,
absolutely
terrible
for
the
city
of
ozmar.
You
talk
about
county-wide
regulations.
I
understand
countywide
regulations,
but
those
county,
right-wide
regulations
were
also
written
for
the
city
of
clearwater
and
downtown
saint
pete.
Downtown
saint
pete
has
how
many
high-rise
300
400
residents
400
apartments
units
that
that
that
that
same
thing
applies
to
oldsmar.
E
E
We
can
do
less,
but
we
can't
do
more,
as
you
said,
and
I
understand
that,
but
under
county
guidelines
yeah
we
can
build
10
or
12
high-rise.
If
we
want
to
just
like
in
downtown
saint
pete,
that's
not
oldsmar,
never
has
been
osmore.
Ozamari
is
growing,
oldsmart
has
changed.
O's
mars
has
changed
a
thousand
percent
since
1980.
E
C
I'm
going
to
change
one
thing,
I'm
actually
going
to
change
how
I
was
directed
you
initially,
we
actually,
I
am
going
to
have
them
both
combined
when
it
goes
through,
so
I'm
putting
both
of
them
through
all
the
questions
for
this
okay.
C
E
You
know
I'm
going
to
say
the
same
thing
for
the
second
item.
I
said
for
the
first
item,
because
I
mean
you
can't
do
one
without
the
other,
as
as
tatyana
said
so
you
know
everything
I'm
saying
applies
to
one
close
to
the
other.
Okay,
I'm
through.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
B
I
have
concerns
issues
also
with
drainage.
I
know
you
said
it
was
already
approved
for
the
hotels
and
all
I
love
my
little
town.
I
moved
here
in
1995
and
I
agree.
Some
changes
are
good,
but
I
like
our
little
old.
A
Store
so
I
have
issues
and
concerns
with
the
drainage
with
the
adding
up
and
that's
all.
I
have.
G
G
So
you
wouldn't
necessarily
want
to
live
on
tampa
road
court
or
facing
all
that
traffic.
So
what
type
of
development
would
be
acceptable?
We
ran
it
through
all
of
these
sections
of
the
code
and
also
county-wide
rules
just
to
understand,
because
in
planning
we
do
have
to
use
some
kind
of
guidance.
It's
not
something
we
just
created
by
ourselves.
Thinking
oh,
this
is
good
here,
so
we
did
go
through
the
goal
16
I
printed
it
out.
G
If
you
would
like,
I
can
distribute
it
to
you
which
identifies
why
that
area
is
suitable
for
these
these
densities,
so
this
is
separated
from
the
rest
of
the
residential
area
by
state
street
state
street
is
kind
of
like
a
buffer
where
we
see
some
kind
of
like
commercial.
On
the
first
floor,
maybe
we'll
have
downtown
sometimes
in
the
future.
G
Currently
it's
an
empty
land
or
some
really
old
development
along
tampa
road
corridor
which
seen
better
days
and
the
developer,
they
will
always
find
another
projects
in
pasco,
county
or
some
other
land
that
it's
still
cheaper.
So
county
sees
the
potential
in
redevelopment
infill,
where
you
already
have
services
around
you,
where
you
have
shopping
and
that's
why
we
thought
that
this
proposal
is
appropriate
and
I
live
in
oldsmar
off
of
washington
by
the
way.
So
this
is
in
my
backyard.
H
My
turn
so
I
want
to
first
thank
the
staff
for
putting
all
this
together
and
I
understand
completely
that
you've
gone
through
your
process.
It
meets
all
the
requirements
meets
all
the
ordinances.
Does
everything,
but
the
question
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
is
this:
what
we
want
in
this
city
is
this:
what
the
residents
want
in
this
city?
I
live
off
washington
like
you,
do
I
want
a
five-story
building
when
there
are
no
current
five-story
buildings
in
this
area?
No
right!
So
I'm
looking
at
this.
H
G
I
just
wanted
to
interrupt
sorry.
The
five-story
building
was
previously
approved
by
the
board
members
by
the
council,
so
we're
not
changing
the
height
limitations.
Currently
that
tccr
district
does
approve
up
to
75
feet
and
that
building
the
five-story
building
is
not
going
to
be
in
the
backyard
it's
going
to
build
on
tampa
road
corridor.
If
it
any,
if
ever
happens
so.
G
I
But
if
I
could
felicia
donnelly
assistant
city
manager,
just
the
the
current
zoning
already
allows
up
to
75
feet,
which
is
a
five
or
six
story:
building,
okay,.
H
I
That
that's
a
current
allowable
and
just
to
just
to
just
to
maybe
address
mr
harvey's
comment
is
that
this
this
isn't
driven
by
a
developer
this.
This
is
driven
by
a
council
priority
and
council
action
over
the
last
15
years
to
develop
a
downtown.
I
So
in
order
to
to
do
that,
the
density
changes
to
add
the
framework
or
requirement
every
development
comes
back
through
the
process
through
the
development
agreement.
I
think
it's
land
development
code
for
14.7,
so
that
then
it
gets
staff
reviewed
to
address
things
like
drainage
and
water
concerns
are
all
are
all
done
at
a
site
specific.
These
changes
aren't
for
one
specific
development
could
be
a
different
development,
so
I
think
that's
important
to
note
that
that
this
isn't
approving
a
development,
specific
proposal.
I
I
I
don't
think
that
it
gives
a
better
opportunity
to
a
developer.
No,
I
mean
I,
from
from
a
land
development
you're,
providing
a
framework
for
a
downtown.
This
location,
specifically
as
tatiana,
had
talked
about
it's
appropriate
for
intended
downtown
higher
density
because
of
its
location.
So
it's
it's
intentional
development.
This
isn't
driven
by
developer.
This
has
been
in
our
plans
along
the
tampa
road
corridor.
It's
a
multi-use
corridor,
it's
high
traffic,
it's
it's
a
suitable
location
for
the
consideration
of
a
higher
density.
H
I
And
the
in
the
city
stills
the
city,
the
the
the
property
right
now
next
to
city
hall,
most
of
the
other,
all
the
other
parcels
are
developed
currently
right,
so
the
property
right
next
to
city
hall
is
the
only
one
at
this
point
in
time
that
that
would
be
for
a
developer
to
come
in
right.
You,
you
all
know
that
we
are
negotiating
with
a
developer
for
that
site,
but
every
developer
would
have
comes
to
the
city
we
own
the
land,
so
we
negotiate
under
the
framework.
H
I
It's
not
a
special
privilege,
as
as
mr
harvey
alluded
to
this
district
was
designated.
I
I
believe
in
1994.
I
could
be
wrong.
I
was
not
here,
but
so
in
1994
the
development
and
the
creation
of
the
cra
right,
so
community
redevelopment
agency.
This
is
the
spot
that
we
created
at
downtown
for
when
you're
talking
about
along
the
tampa
road
corridor
from
an
urban
planning
perspective.
That
would
be
the
appropriate
location
for
an
increased
density.
So
I
don't
what
was
your
specific
question
jared?
I'm.
H
Just
trying
to
figure
out
you
know
when,
when
the
flea
market
owners
came
to
us
and
they
wanted
to
change
ror,
we
asked
what's
the
plan.
What
do
you
want
to
do
there
before?
We
start
changing
code
amendments,
because
this
can
affect
other
areas
now
I
understand
the
tcc
are
just
one
specific
area
in
the
city,
but
let's
face
it,
somebody's
going
to
come
in
ten
years
down
the
road
they're
going
to
say
you
did
this
for
the
tccr.
Do
this
for
me
right.
I
So
so
we
did
add
a
special
provision
which
wasn't
required
by
the
concurrency
or
county
wide
rules.
Is
that
any
of
this
that
you
would
it's
a
it's
a
don't
it's
a
bonus
density,
and
that
means
it's
only
available
for
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
and
only
with
a
development
agreement.
A
lot
of
that's
not
that's,
not
that's
an
extra
layer
of
protection
for
a
city
to
require
a
development
agreement
that
gives
us
a
chance
to
go
through
and
it's
not
an
outright
permitted
use.
I
I
I
I
I
personally
staff
recommends
approval
right.
Our
city
council
is
given
direction
to
develop
a
downtown
and
I
I
don't
believe
it
opens
pandora's
box,
because
we
have
control
over
the
local
zoning
through
the
development,
then
tampa
road
corridor
and
I'm
sure
mr
harvey
was
involved
in
those
in
those
sort
of
overlay
district
standards.
That's
why
buildings
within
the
tampa
road
corridor
come
before
the
planning
board
or
the
city
council.
Most
communities
don't
have
that
extra
layer.
I
So
I
I
believe
that
we've
added
in
the
the
protections
to
allow
us
to
look
at
development
specific,
and
then
we
start
talking
about
every
development.
Again,
brenda
goes
through
concurrency
requirements.
We
make
sure
that
our
water
plant
has
water
and
the
sewer
plant
can
handle
it
and
this
sort
of
development.
Actually
we
look
at
requires
swift
mud
approval
if
you
name
it
dot
approval.
It
requires
an
enormous
amount
of
approvals
from
all
levels
to
ensure
that
we
protect
our
environment.
I
So
so
right
now
it's
not
getting
storm
water
treatment
at
all.
So
there
could
be
an
argument
that
says
that
development
in
today's
current
standards
may
actually
decrease,
or
at
least
it's
a
net.
We're
not
allowed
to
no
and
nan
can
help
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we're
not
allowed
to
increase
any
of
the
stormwater
that
is
coming
off
the
site.
H
G
I
wanted
to
add
something
in
reference
to
the
map
change,
so
we
are
also
controlled
by
the
county-wide
maps.
So
it's
our
zoning,
our
land
use
and
our
land
use
has
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
county
maps,
so
any
density
increase
under
the
county-wide
rules
would
have
to
go
through
the
county
approval
and
that
those
changes
are
not
given
to
you
because
they
all
have
have
districts,
so
this
particular
district
is
defined
as
that
activity
center,
where
county
already
sees
some
increase
in
density
or
it's
already
given
by
the
current
map.
G
H
Okay
and
then
I
guess
my
other
question
is
really
just
a
process
question,
usually
I'm
an
alternate
at
these
things,
but
on
number
two
on
these
documents,
where
it
says
the
amendment
will
contribute
to
promote
the
community's
welfare.
I
enter
the
staffs
going
through
that.
Is
there
any
input
from
anybody
on
that?
G
This
is
a
generalized
statement,
usually
taken
from
the
comprehensive
plan
goals,
so
we
have
established
gold
for
the
community
redevelopment
district,
which
was
prior
approved.
The
goals
were
to
establish
walkable
downtown,
to
create
pedestrian-scaled
development
in
the
downtown
and
we're
basically
in
compliance
with
this,
because
that
was
done
for
the
community.
We
don't
have
a
downtown
so
we're
trying
to
recreate
the
corridor
of
some
kind
of
like
commercial
space
where
we
can
go
to
a
coffee,
shop
or
somewhere
locally.
H
You
bring
up
a
great
point
because
on
some
of
the
plans
that
I've
seen
the
the
new,
if
I
will
use
a
bad
term
monstrosity
of
an
apartment
building,
they
plan
on
putting
down
there,
it
seemed
like
the
front
of
it.
There
was
a
significant
part
of
that
was
designated
just
to
the
residents
of
that
unit.
If
you're
going
to
build
a
walkable
downtown,
I
know
those
plans
aren't
finalized.
That's
not
committing
to
everybody!
That's
committing
to
those
specific
residents.
G
H
H
G
B
Next,
okay,
so
we
have
zoning
for
medium
density.
Multi-Family
buildings
with
rental
apartments
and
condos
in
oldsmar
from
30
to
65,
is
a
huge
increase.
I
prefer
to
see
increments
moderate
increases
to
density
in
the
places
that
aren't
already
sufficiently
dense
granted.
We
have
had
this
project
in
the
works
for
a
long
time,
as
you
heard
bob
talking
about.
B
I
have
my
hard
copy
of
the
citizens
academy.
2012
presentation
by
the
planning
and
redevelopment
part
department
which
inside
has
I
pulled
it
out-
has
the
tampa
road
corridor
plan
2011
printed.
B
B
They
asked
for
comments
and
questions.
I'm
not
questioning
that
that
there
was
a
plan,
there's
a
huge,
beautiful,
color
printout
of
all
the
plans,
2010-11
annual
report
from
the
community
redevelopment
agency,
I'm
painting
my
house,
so
I
took
out
a
desk
that
was
built
in,
and
I
found
these
lovely
things
just
this
last
week,
so
yeah.
I
don't
know
this
is
crazy,
but
so
yeah,
I
have
all
these
documents,
so
I
think
I
agree
with
what
ginger
was
saying.
B
B
But
that's
that's
where
I
think
some
of
the
the
questions
come
in
I
mean
it's
been
a
lengthy
process
and
we
hear
about
environmental
reviews,
engineering
studies,
but
yet
those
things
aren't
readily
available
and
accessible
to
see,
and
it's
been
so
long
since
some
of
that
has
been
done
that
I
think
that
the
community
has
questions.
B
What
are
they
have
we
done
a
current
study.
I
mean
these
things
were
voted
in
a
long
time
ago
and
so
things
change
people
change.
New
people
come
in
they've
never
heard
of
it,
so
it
does
create,
I
think,
some
anxiety
and
and
that's
not
necessarily
on
any
one
particular
person,
but
I
read
al's
newsletter
every
month
and
there's
not
ever
anything
in
it
about
any
of
this.
B
B
We
can
increase
occupancy
limits,
but
you
know
really
taking
a
careful
look
at.
Why
are
we
doing
that
if
we
were
able
to
conceptualize
this
town
center?
Without
this,
why
did
they
set
those
limits?
In
the
first
place?
I
think
it
speaks
to
the
heart
of
oldsmar.
B
I
don't,
and
I
don't
know
that
in
trying
to
develop,
are
we
looking
at
you
know
what
is
the
pulse
of
our
community
now
because
it
has
been
20
years
since
those
long
meetings
yeah,
and
I
don't
know
that
there
have
been
any
recently
I
mean
I
don't
know
there
could
have
been
zoning
consideration
considerations.
B
When
I
look
at
the
words,
I
wrote
down
bonus
density,
so
from
my
perspective
and
my
readings,
bonus
density
is
when
you
give
an
incentive
to
a
business
that
builds
high
density
units
and
then
dedicate
some
of
those
to
be
subsidized
type
housing
so
that
they
will
dedicate
some
of
the
use
of
that
space
to
affordable
units.
B
Are
we
building
something
that
people
that
live
in
oldsmar
can
afford
to
live
in
and
when
I
you
know
like,
I
said
that
term
for
me
means
something
different
than
what
you're
explaining
it
to
to
me,
as
so,
a
density
bonus
and
a
bonus
density.
B
Then
they
would
get
this
bonus
and
they'd
be
able
to
build
higher
density,
but
all
the
others
that
didn't
go
through
the
city,
which
I
would
assume
would
also
come
through
here
and
go
through
council
for
approval.
Then
they
would
be
told
no,
you
still
have
to
stay
at
the
30.
is
that
am
I
understanding.
G
This
is
correct
because
under
the
countywide
rules
they
see
the
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
development
as
the
next
step
in
promoting
environmental,
environmentally
friendly
development.
So
it's
a
lesser
footprint
on
the
environment
because
you
don't
have
to
be
build
on-site
parking,
so
it
involves
like
garages
or
it's
already
in
the
code
of
a
tccr
you
can
only
today
you
can
only
build
parking
when
it's
in
the
back
or
you
have
building
fronting
these
corridors
like
tampa
road
corridor
and
garage
parking.
Is
it's
supported
to
park
your
car
in
the
garage
to
develop
a
garage?
G
So
it's
a
bonus
for
those
developers
that
could
bring
a
parking
garage
that
could
build
us
commercial
space
and
it's
a
bonus
for
them.
Yes,.
B
G
This
has
not
been
discussed
as
part
of
this
proposal,
so
but
it
is
on
the
county-wide.
It
is
on
the
county-wide
agenda
for
the
pack,
the
pinellas
advisory
committee,
as
everything
becomes
unaffordable
in
oldsmar
single-family
residential
homes
are
becoming
affordable.
More
people
are
going
to
pasco
in
hillsborough.
County
was
the
kid
age
population,
so
our
schools
are
actually
losing
kids,
so
somebody
expressed
the
concern
of
are
there
going
to
be
enough,
you
know,
is
the
capacity
big
enough
for
ultimate
elementary
school.
G
B
Yeah-
and
I
was
actually
going
to
speak
to
that
next
because,
unlike
the
emails
and
whatnot
I
I
don't
believe
that
I
haven't
read
reports
but
I've.
I've
looked
at
research
and
research
shows
that
multi-unit
dwellings
don't
usually
have
one
versus
two
cars.
They
usually
don't
have
as
many
children,
I'm
not
as
concerned
with
the
impact
on
the
schools
or
buses
or
cars.
B
You
know
maybe
some
road
in
and
out,
if
you're
using
state
street
and
st
p
drive,
but
as
long
as
there's
entrances
and
exits-
I
don't
I
I'm
not.
I
know
you
were
trying
to
address
those
concerns
that
that's
not
a
concern
of
mine
in
terms
of
the
environment.
I'm
sure
you've
done
lots
of
studies
on
the
impact
and
the
runoff
and
and
all
of
these
different
things.
G
Those
are
actually
addressed
at
the
time
of
the
site
plan
approval,
so
they
will
have
to
hire
a
civil
engineering
firm
who
has
to
meet
the
as
felicia
mentioned,
swift
month
requirements
and
maybe
dep
requirements
and
all
of
the
other
standards
for
the
stormwater
approval.
So
your
pre
development
has
to
match
your
post
development,
so
you
cannot
increase
that's
the
name
can
mention
stepping.
B
Outside
of
my
so
concerned
about
that,
I
know
people
worry
about
multi-family
apartments
and
homes.
I
haven't
seen
anything
that
shows
that
it
increases.
Sometimes
it
actually
decreases
our
footprint
on
the
planet.
In
my
opinion,
but
that's
just
my
opinion.
I
agree
with
what
bob
said
the
developers
come
in
and
they're
gone.
So
I
I
have
you
know
expressed
some
concerns
about
our
state
street
galleria
property
moving
here
in
2008
with
a
couple
of
places.
I'm
thinking.
Oh
it's
going
to
you
know
pick
up.
Nothing
happened.
B
The
the
first
the
owner
had
complete
control,
so
I'm
I'm
told
that
the
city
will
be
doing
long-term
leases
and
will
have
the
ability
to
then
rent
out
the
commercial
area
of
this
whatever's
built.
Should
the
person
that
builds
it
or
owns
it
decides
they
don't
want
to
rent.
I
The
the
it's
not
part
of
this,
this
is
really
just
to
provide
the
framework
to
to
build
a
downtown
that
has
any
density
right.
So,
whether
or
not
the
property,
this
the
city's
intent
is
to
sell
the
property,
so
I'm
not
sure
about
the
long-term
leases
you're
talking
about
or
how
that
connects
to
that.
But
we,
you
know,
we
don't
dictate
to
a
a
property
owner
about
their
how
they
structure
that,
if
their
owner
occupied
or
they
lease
commercial
space
or
so.
B
So
again
it
might
be
off
topic,
but
you
know,
of
course
I
don't
want
something
else
built.
That's
like
our
property
on
state
street.
That's
just
a
ghost
town
that
we
don't
have
places
coming
in
and
we
have
a
person
that
owns
a
building.
That
can
say
well,
I
don't
want
to
have
anybody
there
so
that
so,
let's
see
zoning
considerations,
parking,
minimums
and
things
like
that
for
the
structure.
Again,
it's
a
density
thing,
so
I'm
assuming
the
city
will,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
decide
how
many
parking
places
per.
I
B
I
think
I
think
that's
all
I
had
like.
I
said
the
the
emails
I
received.
I
didn't
have
any
particular
concerns.
You
know
from
what
I
read,
but
just
had.
Some
in
terms
of
the
main
question
is:
why
is
it
now
that
we
need
to
increase
density
when
we
didn't
need
to
increase
it
before?
What's
changed
in
old,
smart
in
the
last
10
years
that
has
created
this
need
for
us
to.
I
I
think
it's
a
change
in
the
urban
environment
and
and
what's
typical
10
years
ago,
we
didn't
have
a
mixed-use
building
vertically
integrated
mixed-use
buildings
are
relatively
new.
You
can
see
them
popping
up
everywhere.
You
know
it's
a
concise
use
of
land
to
provide
commercial
uses
and
residential
uses,
so
I
think,
as
as
our
their
the
character,
our
community,
I
wasn't
here-
I've
been
in
pinellas
county
for
20
years.
I
I
used
to
come
actually
right
next
door
in
the
70s,
my
my
aunt
and
uncle
owned
a
business
here
on
state
street.
I
So
you
know
the
the
character
of
increased
population
and
and
changes
in
the
way
that
we
we
interact
with
our
space
around
us
has
changed
so
those
these
code
changes
will
continue
to
come
as
as
we
evolve
and
our
expectations
of
a
community
and
how
we
wish
to
live
and
and
work.
So
all
of
those
will
will
be
changing
over
time.
A
Questions
have
covered
it
pretty
well,
but
I
I
did
when
I
looked
at
this
at
home.
I
I
to
was
part
of
the
citizens
academy
and
went
to
this
very
elaborate
planning
meeting.
I
couldn't
believe
that,
in
fact,
that's
what
made
me
want
to
come
on
the
planning
board.
So
my
question
was:
how
was
this
different
from
that
original
plan?
I
I
think
that
that
the
elements
of
the
existing
plans
are
all
still
there
right.
There's
public
space
elements.
You
forget
that
the
the
if
there
is
you,
know
the
proposal
that
we
have
on
the
table
from
woodfield,
which
you
know
we're
in
negotiations
which,
which
is
that
large
building,
but
part
of
the
reason
it's
large,
is
because
we're
hiding
a
parking
garage.
I
So
so
you
know
what
the
elements
are
all
there:
it's
just
that
the
ingredients
are
laid
out
differently
on
the
plan.
You
know:
there's
public
space,
there's
commercial
space,
there's
going
to
you,
know
residential
space.
So
those
are
the
three
components
of
that
which
have
always
been
part
of
a
plan.
It's
just
of
where
the
puzzle
pieces
fit
are.
A
C
On
the
last
one,
with
the
questions,
thank
you
for
all
everybody
on
the
board.
I
think
they
were
very
much
insightful
questions.
I
mean
I
looked
at
it
compared
to
the
like
the
email,
the
emails
that
we
received
regarding
the
questions
and.
C
A
large
portion
of
what,
like
you
said,
I
completely
agree
with
that.
You
know
when
the
topics
and
the
citizens
concern
you
know
that
were
were
provided
to
the
board.
C
One
thing
I
would
ask
is
in
regards
to
when
we
talk
about
a
buffer,
I
would
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
detail
surrounding
because
it
kind
of
the
buffer
kind
of
was
stated
a
little
bit
when
it
comes
to
state
street
and
then
the
buffer
that
will
be
created
there.
Can
we
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
surrounding
that
that
buffer.
I
Sure
tatiana
I'm
going
to
try
this
on
my
own,
you
let
me
know
if
I'm
wrong,
okay,
so
so
the
way
that
our
you
know,
the
the
crd
is
underlying
land
use
right.
So
then
zoning
goes,
I
think
of
it
as
a
layer,
so
zoning
is
kind
of
on
top
of
the
land
use.
So
you
can
see
in
the
graphic
image
right
there.
We
talk
about
a
buffer
is
that
we
have
different
zoning
districts
to
buffer
intense
uses
from
residential
uses.
It's
it's
part
of
the
euclidean.
I
Zoning
is
what
that
the
name
of
that
is,
and
that
that
tells
you
where
you
have
residential
commercial
industrial,
all
these
different
uses
in
different
places
right
so
we've,
the
our
plan,
the
in
the
cra
with
the
town
center,
allows
buffering
in
between
uses
based
on
kind
of
scaling
down
the
intensity
of
those
uses.
So
you
can
see
where
the
gray
is,
is
a
higher,
intense
use
along
tampa
road?
I
So
so
that's
what
we
we
talked
about,
creating
buffers
so
and
and
even
though
that
this
isn't
you
know,
development,
specific,
the
the
the
the
building
and
the
development
proposed
on
the
city
hall
site
also
has
extra
buffers
in
as
far
as
the
height
and
the
step,
we
call
it
a
step
back
right,
so
the
large
buildings
is
are
aligned
with
tampa
road,
but
at
state
street
they're
only
two
stories.
I
I
Oh
absolutely
so
so
additional
foot
traffic
we
have
the
facilities
in
place
right.
I
don't
know
when
oldsmar
I
wasn't
here
when
the
streetscape
was
designed,
but
we
have.
We
have
pedestrian
facilities,
we're
envisioning,
even
larger
pedestrian
spaces
in
the
development
next
to
city
hall,
which
include
a
20-foot
sidewalk,
so
that
maybe
you
would
have
outdoor
dining
included
and
space
for
pedestrians.
So
all
of
that
is
laid
out
by
you
know.
I
Engineering
manual
say
that
you
have
to
have
a
sidewalk
of
you,
know
five
feet
for
ada
access
and
then,
as
part
of
any
development
of
this
scale,
we
do
full
traffic
impact
studies,
so
you
know
we'll
we
meet
with
dot.
We
talk
about
what
their
requirements
are.
What
does
that
look
like
for
tampa
road?
What
does
it
look
like
for
580?
E
I
don't
have
a
question
I'd
just
like
to
make
one
more
statement
when
we,
when
these
things
come
before
the
boards,
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
tend
to
get
tunnel
vision.
We
look
right
at
this
and
say
this
is
what's
happening.
This
is
what's
happening
and
we
don't.
We
don't
think
about
what
it,
what
effect
it
might
have
on
the
rest
of
baltimore,
for
instance.
What
we're
looking
at
here.
This
is
the
tampa
road
corridor
right.
E
You
know,
and
so
it
it
there's
certain
rules
and
regulations,
etc,
and
so
forth
that
have
to
be
followed
there.
That's
fine,
but
if
you
make
changes
here
they
may
affect
somewhere
else
and
once
you
make
it
when,
let's
no,
let's
forget
change,
let's
forget
change,
let's
say
once
you
establish
usage,
you
establish
usage
on
temporal
corridor,
you're
going
to
have
a
situation
like
I
ran
into
personally
number
one.
I
moved
into
my
home
in
the
harbor
palms
in
christmas
of
19
1980.
E
Now,
I'm
not
sure
how
a
bank
and
a
big
ugly
blue
car
wash
can
be
in
the
same
allowed
use,
but
I
know
it
is
they
are
and
it
was
and
though
it
did
so
we
never.
The
board
never
saw
that.
Never
saw
that.
So
I
came
to
the
meeting
the
council
meeting.
I
knew
it
was
going
to
be
approved.
They
had
to
approve
it.
It
was
a
loud
news.
E
There
was
no
way
they
could
deny
it,
but
I
came
to
the
meeting
and
I
complained
because
I
didn't
like
what
they
were
going
to
put
on
the
corner
of
my
superman
and
it
did
exactly
what
I
thought
it
was
going
to
do.
It's
increased
water
in
the
branch,
but
it
runs
about
you
know,
runs
it
down
there
and
it's
also
increased
increased
unknown
traffic.
In
other
words,
people
are
pulling
into
that.
That
does
car
wash
that
don't
live
in
this
subdivision,
so
they
don't
know
how
the
roads
go
and
they
I've
I've
had.
E
I
lived
there
for
40
years
without
an
incident
at
the
entrance,
and
I've
had
two
almost
incidences
since
that
car
wash
is
open
because
of
people
pulling
in
and
don't
know
what
they're
doing.
Okay,
so
that
I
want
little,
please,
let's
don't
get
tunnel
vision.
Remember
when
we
talk
about
this,
it's
going
to
affect
that
and
let's
try
to
think
down
the
road.
Okay.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
Mr
cameron,.
B
B
So
I
would
think
if
we
built
something
worthwhile
that
that
we
would
be
able,
especially
if
it's
it's
a
visible
structure
from
tampa
road,
like
is
being
discussed,
that
we
wouldn't
need
to
bring
our
own
people
with
it
that
we
would
actually
have
enough
people
coming
by
and
about
10
years
ago.
If
I
said
I
was
from
oldsmar
people
didn't
know
where
oldsmar
was
but
as
everything's
growing
in
on
us
people
do
and
they
I
think
we
should
appreciate
our
location
between
the
counties,
we're
easy
access
to
everywhere.
B
It's
a
great
meeting
place,
so
I
I
just
you
know,
I
trust
the
city
I
feel
very
proud
to
live
somewhere.
We
have
great
leadership,
and
you
know
I
I'm
not
still
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
people
that
came
tonight.
I'm
still
not
really
sure
where
I,
where
I
fall
on
this,
but
I
know
I
don't
make
the
decision
it's
going
to
go
past
us
somewhere
else,
but
I
still
like
to
kind
of
think
about
everything
but
yeah.
B
B
I
So
is
that
kind
of
a
question
like
the
question
is:
why
do
we
need
more
residential
density?
Yes,
why
do
we
need?
Because
you
have
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
density
to
create
a
pedestrian
downtown?
And
so
you
know
our
market
has
shown
that
perhaps
we
don't
have
that
density,
because
perhaps
we
have
vacant
buildings.
I
So
when
you
create
you
have
you
have
to
have
residential
to
create
retail
opportunities,
they
kind
of
go
hand
in
hand.
I
guess
you
could
call
it
the
chicken
and
the
egg
right
but
re,
but
your
residential
density
drives
your
your
retail
demand,
especially
in
a
in
a
cluster
environment
that
is
off
the
main
road.
I
C
H
Mean
I
I
know
that
this
is
a
tough
subject
and
everything
else,
but
I
don't
think
there's
anybody
I'll
just
speak
for
myself,
that
is
against
developing
the
downtown.
I
think
we
all
want
to
see
the
future
of
oldsmar
grow,
I'm
just
not
in
agreement
that
increasing
the
density
to
allow
a
developer
to
put
as
many
units
in
there
as
potentially
possible.
H
C
C
If
you,
the
people
who
can
come
up
to
the
podium,
is
an
individual
that
was
sworn
in
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
when
you
do
come
up,
if
anyone
you're
speaking
in
favor
or
against
the
items
that
we
just
discussed
and
again,
if
you
would
just
state
your
name
and
your
property
address
in
whoever
would
like
to
speak,
can
present
to
the
board.
C
That
so
all
we'll
do
I
I,
I
think
everyone
probably
we're
going
to
hear
more
opposition,
probably
for
this,
so
we
will
do
opposition
first
in
regards
to
it
and
then
anyone
in
favor.
Thank
you
kathy.
D
Thank
you,
pamela
settle,
439,
lakeview
drive
and
jared.
I
agree
with
you.
I
mean
I.
I
think
that
the
city
does
want
to
see
something
develop
and
be
built
in
that
downtown
area.
I've
lived
in
the
city
for
16
years,
and
I've
heard
it
talked
about
you
know.
Since
we
moved
in
that
there
was
going
to
be
this
walkable
downtown
area.
You
know
we
can't
always
control
the
economy,
so
you
know,
but
I
do
want
to
speak
about
three
different
things.
Briefly,
one
the
citizens.
D
As
I
campaigned,
I
did
go
door-to-door
and
I
was
talking
to
people
in
all
of
the
neighborhoods,
not
just
in
downtown,
but
we
have
other
sections
of
oldsmar
that
need
to
be
brought
into
this
discussion
and
there
is
a
good
deal
of
frustration
that
decisions
are
made
and
the
citizens
are
not
engaged
and
and
susan.
I,
in
16
years
that
I've
lived
here,
I've
never
been
invited
to
any
kind
of
planning
meeting
to
discuss
what
might
happen
in
that
area.
So
so,
no
as
a
citizen,
I
I've
never
been
asked.
D
What
I
would
like
to
see.
Communication
for
these
things
is
is
challenging.
The
world
has
changed
in
how
we
communicate
and
putting
something
on
a
website
might
fulfill
a
requirement,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
achieve
the
goal
of
being
proactive
and
engaging
the
community.
So
I
I
believe
that
the
citizens
want
to
be
involved
and
that
we
really
do
need
to
be
more
proactive
in
engaging
them.
D
You
know.
The
second
thing
I
want
to
address
is
that
this
is
part
of
a
cra,
and
the
c
in
cra
stands
for
community
and
we
have
a
large
community
in
oldsmar
and
it
doesn't
just
affect
a
handful
of
people
making
the
decision-
and
there
have
been
numerous
plans
and
the
the
plan
that
I
saw
in
december
of
last
year
was
a
2019
plan
that
had
been
approved.
It
looks
very
different
from
the
plan
we're
talking
about
now,
so
it
did
have
multiple
elements
that
would
be
owned
by
different
owners.
D
D
You
asked:
why
are
we
addressing
the
density
now
we're
addressing
the
density
now,
because
the
developer
came
in
and
wanted
to
build
the
apartments
that
had
never
been
a
part
of
the
plan
up
until
this
developer
showed
up
and
said,
I'm
going
to
come
and
build
this
on
that
parcel
of
land?
It's
one
owner.
D
We
will
give
up
land
that
has
been
purchased,
starting
since
1994
by
taxpayers
that
those
lots
have
been
acquired,
that
land
has
been
acquired,
it's
owned
by
the
people
of
oldsmar
they're,
hoping
for
a
park,
they're
hoping
for
a
lot
of
things
that
will
create
a
walkable
downtown.
But
never
in
my
conversations
when
I
said
what
do
you
dream
about
for
oldsmar
did
anybody
say
I
want
300
luxury
apartments
in
downtown
oldsmar
and
all
of
the
traffic
that's
going
to
come
with
it.
Not
one
person
has
that
as
their
dream
for
downtown
oldsmar.
D
Can
we
use
apartments
somewhere
else
in
the
city?
Maybe,
but
the
goal
of
this
cra
was
to
develop
a
walkable
and
usable
downtown
area.
People
talk
about
safety,
harbor
tarpon
springs
dunedin.
They
want
a
place
where
they
can
feel
at
home,
where
there's
some
kind
of
character
of
oldsmar
that's
still
there
and
that
you
know
that
just
requires
some
more
work.
D
F
Tadazewski
303
park
boulevard,
I'm
I'm
not
in
favor
or
against
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
it's
obvious
after
listening
to
everyone
here
today
that
the
citizens
of
oldsmar
do
not
know
what's
going
on,
and
everyone
has
pointed
that
out,
but
we
nee
we
need
to.
What
we
have
here
is
failure
to
communicate
from
an
old
movie
line.
If
you're
old,
you
remember,
which
movie
I
don't
care,
what
pinellas
county
codes
are.
I
don't
live
in
clearwater.
I
don't
live
in
st
pete.
F
I
don't
want
to
live
in
those
places
I
want
here
and
if
we
let
those
codes,
what
we're
doing,
then
we
don't
need
the
planning
commission.
We
don't
need
the
city
council
we'll
just
be
under
their
government
and
just
do
whatever
they
want.
But
we
have
a
very
unique
city
here
and
we
need
to
take
care
of
it
and
we
need
to
let
the
people
decide.
The
elected
officials
were
elected
by
the
people
and
that's
the
people
they
need
to
answer
to
so
I'm
not
for
it
or
against
it.
F
I
just
want
the
people
to
to
speak
and
make
up
their
minds,
and
I
think
I
guess
pam
took
my
line
because
I
talked
to
a
lot
of
people.
Everybody
everybody
wants
to
walk,
downtown,
go
to
a
restaurant,
go
to
a
bar,
go
to
a
pizza,
parlor,
an
ice
cream,
parlor
coffee
shop.
Everybody
wants
to
do
that.
No
one
said
hey.
F
I
want
to
walk
to
a
300
unit
apartment
building
and
they
just
don't
and
is
that
gonna
identify
who
oldsmar
is
you
know
if
you
see
a
picture
of
safety
harbor,
you
know
it's
safety
harbor!
It's
that
cute
little
village
with
all
the
wrought
iron
and
the
sidewalks
and
the
sidewalk
is
what
are
we
gonna
see?
What
is
ours?
Gonna
look
like
and
if
you
go
to
safety,
harbor
the
people
that
are
at
all
those
festivals
in
safety
harbor,
they
don't
live
over
those
apartments
off
of
main
street.
They
come
from
everywhere.
F
C
E
Question
first,
as
I
understand
it,
mr
chairman,
we
have
to.
A
C
I
we
had
no
proof
on
that.
It
was
all
in
opposed.
C
E
F
C
C
We
feel
your
passion
for
the
the
city.
We
feel
your
your
drive
for
wanting
a
vision
and
what
you
want
the
city
to
have.
Okay
beyond
the
board,
you
have
that
desire
to
want
to
do
best.
What's
for
our
city?
What's
for
our
residents?
Okay,
we.
I
feel
that
way.
That's
why
I'm
on
the
board.
I
want
to
be
there
for
the
city
to
represent
the
citizens
right,
but
what
I
recommend
to
you,
though,
these
two
agenda
items
are
going
to
be
with
city,
council,
okay,
I
know
you're
here,
but
also
be
at
city
council.
C
Let
the
city
councilman,
hear
your
voice
there
too.
Okay,
because
you
bring
up
very
valid
points,
and
the
city
council
needs
to
hear
that
too,
and
your
passion
and
what
you
envision.
You
know
what
the
citizens
want
for
the
city
of
baltimore
now
and
into
the
future.
In
our
future
vision
right
so
on
july
20th,
it
is
a
tuesday
at
7,
00
pm.
C
Both
these
agenda
items
will
be
presented
to
city
council,
so
I
ask
be
present,
make
your
voices
heard
as
citizens
of
oldsmar
for
these
items.
Okay,
and
thank
you
again
for
coming
to
our
meeting.
We
do
appreciate
it.
Can
I
have
a
recommendation
to
adjourn
for
yourself
recommendation
a
second
all
in
favor
aye,
meaning
adjourned.