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B
B
Yes,
we'd
like
to
open
the
open
forum.
B
B
And
our
first
agenda
item
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
october
27th
move
to
approve,
I
hear
a
move
and
in
a
second
all
in
favor.
B
C
Thank
you
good
evening
everybody
tatiana
childress
city
of
oldsmar
planning
and
redevelopment
director.
So
today
we
have
one
case
code,
amendment
providing
secondary
front
definitions
and
corner
lot,
fencing
provisions
the
background
for
this
code,
amendment
residential
corner
lots
are
considered
to
have
two
fronts
for
the
setback.
Determination
purposes.
Excuse
me.
C
The
code
additionally
states
that
all
residential
offenses
might
be
must
be
no
taller
than
three
and
a
half
feet.
If
extending
the
facade
of
the
house
to
install
a
fence
of
up
to
six
feet
along
additional
corner
lot
front
yard,
meaning
the
secondary
front
yard,
a
variance
process
has
been
in
place
which
requires
an
action
by
the
board
of
adjustment,
followed
by
defense.
C
C
There
we
go.
The
front
yard
is
usually
the
front
where
you
have
your
address
where
the
property
is
addressed
from
and
where
you
have
your
main
driveway
and
the
secondary
front
is
along
the
additional
front.
If
you
live
in
a
corner
lot,.
C
So,
although
this
process
was
simplified
from
the
regular
variance
to
administrative
variance,
the
requirements
continue
to
cause
hardship
to
the
residents,
delaying
the
permitting
process
and
causing
additional
expenses
associated
with
the
requirements
of
the
certificate
of
ownership
and
also
the
administrative
variance
fee,
which
is
250
today
in
2018,
a
code
amendment
for
the
town
center
code
was
approved,
defining
secondary
funds
and
allowing
six
foot
fence
and
the
secondary
funds
without
administrative
variants,
supplemented
only
with
the
fans
permit,
but
the
current
provisions
for
secondary
fronts
are
only
applicable
within
the
town
center
cra
area.
C
So
if
you're
outside
of
the
town
center,
you're
still
required
to
have
the
administrative
variants
to
pay
200
250
and
also
get
the
certificate
of
ownership,
it
causes
delays.
So
this
amendment
will
eliminate
the
need
for
administrative
variance
review
and
would
not
only
require
would
only
require
standard
permit
review
application.
C
The
reviewers
today
they
already
check
defense
placement
against
applicable
sections
of
the
code,
and
that
includes
the
clear
site,
visibility,
triangles
setback
requirements
and
easements.
Additionally,
the
code
amendment
will
include
a
provision
that
six
foot
fences
along
defined
secondary
fronts,
must
be
offset
from
the
sidewalk
by
five
feet.
C
Most
of
the
times
you
have
a
utility
easement
that
adjacent
to
your
sidewalk
and
sidewalk
in
most
cases
is
already
five
feet
from
the
property
line,
but
in
older
platted
areas
of
oldsmar
you
have
a
condition
where
you
have
a
sidewalk,
and
then
you
have
your
property
right,
a
property
line
right
on
that
sidewalk.
So
we
have
to
offset
that
five
feet
to
be
consistent
in
the
city
and
some
of
these
discussed
items
are
shown
on
the
graphics.
C
So
the
clear
visibility
triangle
is
zero
in
the
corner
and
you're
trying
to
look
in
that
intersection.
That
would
be
15
feet
from
the
intersection
of
that
street.
So
that's
your
kind
of
like
two
to
your
right
and
then
the
five
foot
setback
from
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
just
demonstrated
here.
Oh
you
can
see
it
by
the
tree.
C
C
And
this
is
just
in
the
planner
metric
view.
So
that's
how
it
looks
on
the
plan
when
somebody
submits
it
to
us.
We
check
where
and
this
one
particular
had
a
utilities
been
so
in
the
utilities
meant
at
a
plane,
review
we're
allowed
to
put
gates.
So
if
there's
an
access
to
that
utility
easement,
so
the
utility
company
can
go
in
and
do
their
work
without
interfering
with
the
homeowner.
C
C
So
this
process
has
been
already
in
place
since
2018
the
process
of
a
permit
only
only
it's
applicable
to
the
talent
center
code,
because
in
2018
the
code
change
introduced,
the
secondary
fronts
within
the
architectural
standards
of
the
town
center,
providing
the
secondary
front
and
the
six-foot
fence.
So
that's
the
only
difference
why
they
today
are
allowed
to
have
a
six-foot
fence
on
lynnette
town
center.
C
C
No
conflicts
have
occurred
using
the
permit
only
process
in
the
town
center
since
2019,
and
none
of
the
administrative
variances
have
been
denied
based
on
the
required
height
along
the
secondary
front
in
the
past,
and
so
this
unanimous
approval
of
the
administrative
variances
by
technical
review
committee
also
demonstrate
no
need
for
additional
review
beyond
the
permit.
So
we
review
it
once
at
the
permit
level
really
thoroughly
by
the
same
members
of
the
technical
review
committee
and
for
the
town
center.
C
It's
it's
did
not
cause
any
trouble
since
2018,
so
it's
been
in
place
for
town
center.
The
amendment
will
not
grant
a
special
privilege
to
an
individual
property
owner.
The
proposed
amendment
will
remove
the
administrative
variance
requirement
for
a
corner
lot:
six
foot
fence
request
for
all
residential
properties,
as
I
mentioned,
and
by
defining
the
secondary
front,
all
homeowners
in
the
city
are
eligible
for
a
permitted.
Six-Foot
fence,
along
that
defined
secondary
front,
subject
to
review
and
approval
by
the
plane
and
official
and
technical
review
services.
C
It
is
only
applied
to
corner
lots,
so
it
is
not
applicable
to
any
other
property.
So
if
you
want
a
six
foot
fence
anywhere
else
in
the
front
yard,
they
haven't
been
supported
by
the
board
of
adjustments
and
yeah
and
they're,
not
qualified
for
administrative
review
or
any
kind
of
other.
I
mean
you
can
still
bring
it
as
a
variant,
but
from
my
prior
knowledge
they
haven't
been
supported.
By
and
based
on.
B
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
staff
start
on
the
end,
nope.
D
E
D
Matter
of
fact
I
mean
I
would
I
wouldn't,
even
if
it
were
me,
I
wouldn't
even
want
the
five
foot
set
back
from
the
back
of
the.
I
think
you
ought
to
be
able
to
put
it
right
up
against
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk
myself.
This
five
foot
sit
back.
I
mean
well
just
that.
As
curiosity
I
mean
I'm,
not
I'm
not
vote,
I'm
not
I'm
I'm
in
I'm.
In
favor
of
this.
I
just
got
to
curiosity
why
the
five
foot
setback.
C
So,
as
I
mentioned
most
of
our
plats,
they
already
include
the
five
foot
setback
in
the
newer
subdivisions,
but
some
of
the
older
originally
planted
ones.
They
have
their
property
right
right
along
the
sidewalk.
So
it's
the
design
standards
maybe
changed
over
time.
Some
of
the
older
sidewalks
were
placed
there.
C
I
don't
know
30
years
ago
so
and
then
we
had
complaints,
while
people
walk,
say
their
dogs
or
they
have
plants,
it's
very
difficult
to
maintain
that
area
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
fence
so
for
two
purposes,
just
for
consistency
within
the
city,
so
that
is
five
foot
every
anywhere
in
the
city
from
the
sidewalk
and
then
from
eaton.
So
if
you
reduce
it
to
something
less,
you
would
still
have
to
maintain
it.
So
five
foot
yeah.
C
Was
recommended
by
the
city
attorney,
so
I
could
bring
it
back
to
for
the
discussion
if
needed,
to
discuss
and
go.
D
To
details,
like
I
said
it's
just
a
you
know,
it's
a
personal
thing,
because
I
know
what
happened
to
my
daughter
but
14
feet
and
five
feet
is
a
big
difference
from
what
she
lost
to
what
you're
talking
about
here.
I
guess
you
know
my
my
only
concern
is
you
know,
even
though
it's
five
foot,
that
means
you've
got
to
go
outside
the
fence
and
maintain
five
foot
of
property
that
you
really
don't
get
to
use
anymore.
D
Since
you
put
the
fence
up,
you
lost
it
that
five
feet
of
property
from
there
to
to
the
sidewalk
and
in
the
size
of
the
lots
in
the
state
of
florida.
That's
a
lot.
C
Well,
we
only
have
I
can
review
some
of
the
older
plats
and
we
only
may
have
like
a
few
properties.
D
C
But
we
could
investigate
this
further
for
sure
most
of
the
properties,
as
I
mentioned,
they
already
have
a
maintained,
five-foot
setback
from
the
sidewalk,
so.
E
Yeah,
so
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
I
actually
kind
of
personally
have
an
issue
not
an
issue
with
this,
but
had
an
issue
because
I
bought
my
house
in
16,
I'm
on
a
corner
lot
and
I
spent
months
trying
to
work
with
marie
trying
to
understand
this
variance
process,
and
then
she
called
me
and
said:
hey
no
more
variants.
Let's
just
get
it
done.
Trying
to
push
my
fence
out.
I
will
tell
you
that
my
property
line
is
actually
already
five
feet
off
of
the
sidewalk.
E
F
I
actually
have
a
quarter
a
lot
and
I've
run
into
this
before
and
I
have
some
questions
about
it.
So
when
I
first
did
it,
the
the
code
enforcement
guy
was
telling
me
that
you
can't
go
out
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
fence
in
my
back
my
side
yard.
Really
I'd
have
to
be
15
feet
off
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
neighbor
behind
me
is
right
up
to
the
5
foot
line,
so
it
would
be
a
10
foot
difference
between
where
the
fences
ended.
C
F
C
Yes,
so
today
it
will
be
considered
an
existing
non-conformity,
we're
not
going
to
go
with
the
code
enforcement
after
them
tell
them
move
it,
but
if
say,
for
instance,
they
wanted
to
replace
the
fence
or
the
hurricane
comes
through
and
the
fence
is
down,
so
they
have
to
resubmit
for
the
fence
permit,
it
will
have,
they
will
have
to
follow
the
new
code.
Yes,
five
foot
consistent
for
everyone.
F
C
F
I
wouldn't
personally,
I
wouldn't
I'm
not
going
to
put
a
fence
up.
I
have
never
really
wanted
to
put
a
fence
up.
In
fact,
I
think
fences
build
barriers
between
people
and
between
neighbors
and
that's
why
you
don't
walk
out
of
your
house,
say:
hey
joe
how's
it
going
because
you
don't
see
anything
and
then
because
they
have
a
fence
there.
I.
C
F
C
Sometimes,
where
the
confusion
comes
from,
you
have
an
extra
wide,
maybe
right
away,
so
you
may
have
15
feet
up
to
the
sidewalk
and
some
people
think
that
this
is
their
property,
but
they,
if
you
check
your
survey,
your
property
line
might
be
15
feet
away
from
that
sidewalk.
So
maybe
that's
the
situation.
That's
why
they
told
you
in
the
past
that
it
has
to
be
15
feet
from
the
sidewalk,
because
your
property
line
may
not
extend
all
the
way
to
that
sidewalk.
Well,.
C
C
C
G
C
C
No,
this
is
actually
better
than
planning
101.
I
was
thinking
if
we
bring
one
of
these
cases
each
month
next
month,
we're
trying
to
do
the
isr,
the
impervious
surface
area
ratio,
because
that
came
up
recently-
and
maybe
we'll
have
a
discussion
like
this,
so
that
we
actually
discuss
in
greater
details
and
with
pictures.
So
it
helps
you
to
understand
how
those
zoning
items
are
applied
into
the
planing
in
planning
and
zoning
enforcement
and
kind
of
like
that's
what
we
do
instead
of
just
kind
of
like
going
through
the
list
and
reading
it.
C
So
that's
a
tricky
question:
that's
where
the
engineer
comes
in
with
his
scale
and
that's
usually
the
technical
review
committee.
They
determine
in
the
engineering
department
where
they
have
to
count
it
from
because
there
is.
Is
this
working?
No,
the
else
is
not
working,
so
you
have
like
where
your
curve
starts.
C
That's
where
you
will
probably
initiate
so
not
from
the
actual
or
we
had
a
discussion.
So
if
you
again
wanted
to
have
more
details
about
how
it's
determined
you
can
reach
out
to
daniel
simpson,
yes,
he
can.
E
E
C
Engineering
at
that
point,
so
you
have
to
kind
of
like
build
your
curves
and
then
from
those
curves
where
they
intersect.
I
think
that's
where
you
measure
the
15
feet
so,
and
it
has
something
to
do
with
again
that
curve.
G
C
And
the
sharper
the
curve,
the
less
visibility
I
guess
or
the
other
way
around
daniel-
would
be
able
to
help
you,
but
he
usually
reviews
for
the
clear
side
triangle
in
the
technical
review.
F
G
C
G
Was
on
a
court
a
lot
and
they
needed
to
put
up
the
six
foot
fence
because
they
were
putting
a
pool
on
that
side
of
the
house.
The
way
the
property
is,
there's
really
not
room
in
the
back.
For
that
sort
of
thing
is
that
kind
of
where
this
comes
from
having
to
build
the
six
foot
rather
than
the
three
foot
fence,
because
of
doing
the
right
situation.
C
Not
the
bull
situation,
but
the
original
zoning,
so
the
history
behind
all
of
these
administrative
variants
is
for
the
corner.
Lots
is,
you
know,
you're
correct,
so
why
variance
for
a
corner
lot,
because
the
only
situation
where
a
person
would
have
a
six-foot
fence
in
oldsmar
is
when
he,
his
property
or
their
property,
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
property,
with
a
corner
lot.
So,
as
demonstrated
on
this
graphic,
oh,
the
graphic
is
not
there.
C
So,
as
you
see
the
primary
front
on
the
house
adjacent
to
the
corner
lot
will
end
up
with
a
six
foot
fence
in
their
front
yard
and
that's
consistent
for
any
corner
lot.
So
if
you
take
any
corner
lots,
if
they
have
a
front
yard
facing
this
way
well
in
certain
situations,
you
will
have
back
to
back
backyards.
So
the
adjacent
house
will
also
have
a
secondary
front,
but
in
certain
situations
you
will
have
a
neighbor
who
has
their
driveway.
That
will
be
adjacent
to
that
six-foot
fence,
and
this
was
the
original.
C
I
believe
the
zoning
issue
why
they
have
to
be
reviewed
at
a
variance
level,
but
again
since
2018,
if
somebody
wanted
to
put
a
six-foot
fence
in
their
secondary
yard,
the
adjacent
neighbor.
Never
since,
I
guess
kathy
also
went
through
this
variance,
I
think,
a
long
time
ago,
so
historically
neighbors
never
came
out
and
said.
I
don't
want
a
six-foot
fence
in
my
front
yard,
so
it's
like
they
put
a
six-foot
fence
they're,
like
oh
great,
so.
G
G
At
the
picture,
so
I
because
you
know
I
know
a
lot
of
people
whose
properties
have
been
affected
by
new
construction
and
new
things
happening.
G
You
know,
I
don't
want
to
be
going
on
record
as
being
for
something,
if
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
that's
going
to
impact
a
neighbor
in
terms
of
letting
anybody
who
wanted
to
pretty
much
do
this,
even
though
there
haven't
been
complaints,
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
see
it
like
this
picture
is.
Are
these
two
different
houses
so.
C
C
C
G
C
If
the
height
is
six
yes,
and
to
the
pool
question
that
you
had
so
pools
or
any
kind
of
other
accessory
structures
in
the
front
yard
and
for
the
zoning
definitions
here,
your
secondary
yard
or
low,
it's
your
side
yard,
you
call
it.
It's
still
considered
a
front
yard
so,
and
the
code
says
that
no
accessory
structures
are
allowed
in
the
front
yard.
Therefore
pool
is
considered
a
accessory.
C
C
Garages
or
sheds,
if
they're
placed
in
the
secondary
yard
on
the
corner,
they
will
still
have
to
go
through
a
board
of
adjustments
so
that
admin
variants
today
for
the
residential
corner
lot
is
only
was
only
applicable
to
defenses.
So
any
any
of
the
accessory
structures
in
the
secondary
yard
or
your
side
yard
of
the
corner
lot
still
have
to
go
through
the
board.
C
So
for
three
and
a
half,
I
don't
think
we
touch
the
three
and
a
half
because
usually
the
three
and
a
half
feet
that
would
be
just
extending
beyond
the
facade
three
and
a
half
feet.
Usually
people
put
in
their
front
yard
along
their
driveway.
So
that's
where
it
goes
so
it
doesn't
really
create
a
wall
as
you
walk
on
the
side,
while
it
doesn't
create
a
wall
right
next
to
you
out
of
the.
G
C
D
F
G
You're
looking
for
that,
I
did
finally
get
my
fence.
My
fence
went
up
the
end
of
march
and
I
finally
got
my
fence
replaced
so
prices
shot
up
with
you
know
materials,
so
I
put
it
on
hold.
But
finally,
some
good
news.
D
Well,
I
think
I
know
it's
much
easier
today,
because
we
moved
in
our
house
in
1980
and
in
1982
we
wanted
to
put
a
pool
in
and
we
wanted
a
two
and
a
half
foot
variance
and
then
the
back
because
it
just
was,
it
was
just
too
small.
There
wasn't
enough
room
to
put
a
decent
sized
pool
in
there,
so
we
wanted
a
two
and
a
half
foot
variance.
We
got
it
after
nine
months,
nine
months
it
took
to
get
it,
but
that
was
in
1982.
D
G
There
wasn't
any
city
red
tape,
it
just
was
the
price.
I
was
waiting
for
the
price
to
come
back
down
and
I
did
apply
for
one
of
those
beautification
grants
and
I
got
the
last
of
the
paperwork
in
so
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
thing
that
they
do
for
the
citizens
here
to
you
know
try
to
offset
some
of
the
cost
of
that.
I
sure
appreciated
it.
C
D
So
they
got
they
put
up
a
three
and
a
half
foot
fence
in
the
front
part
of
the
yard
to
keep
them
out
but
yeah.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen.
Anybody
put
one
across
the
front
yeah
I
mean
I've.
Seen
lots
of
people
put
them
up
on
the
side
yards.
You
know
to
keep.
You
know
they're
getting
very,
but
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen.
Anybody.
C
E
E
F
C
Correct
so
today,
if
you
submit
an
application-
and
it
depends
what
type
of
easement
we
have
utility
easements
and
we
have
drain
achievements,
current
code
states
that
if
you
have
a
drainage
easement,
then
no
fences
shall
be
in
the
drainage
easements.
If
you
have
utility
easement,
then
we
have
an
option
to
provide
gate.
B
C
Sometimes
there
are
two
entrances
that
will
be
required.
I
don't
think
I
have
a
good
visual
here,
but
most
of
the
time,
it's
just
one.
So,
for
instance,
if
there
was
a
utility
easement
running
parallel
to
this
gray
area
here-
and
you
wanted
to
extend
your
sidewalk,
your
fence,
all
the
way
to
five
feet
from
that
sidewalk
but
say
you
had
another
10
foot,
utility,
easement
or
15
foot.
C
In
this
case,
from
the
back
of
the
sidewalk,
we
wouldn't
request
to
install
gates
on
both
sides
where
the
arrows
are
indicating
like
limits
like
in
those
locations.
You
will
be
required
to
install
gates
or
it's
on
your
discretion.
You
can
move
it
outside
of
the
easement
altogether.
Then
utilities
can
repair
anything
they
need
and.
C
And
they're
sometimes
they're
underground
utilities,
so
we're
trying
not
to
permit
anything
that
runs
kind
of
like
in
the
center
of
that
utility
easement,
because
then
you
have
a
chance
of
maybe
destroying
your
underground
utilities.
B
E
E
D
F
G
F
Who
is
not
supposed
to
who
who
does
not
have
a
a
reason
for
not
being
here
tonight?
Did
everybody
say
they
were
going
to
be
here.
A
Dale
is
hasn't
excused
absence.
He
had
to
attend
a
ceremony
for
his
new
son-in-law,
he's
being
sworn
in
as
an
officer
graduating
officer
training,
so
he
was
excused
and
pat
is
not
feeling
well,
so
she
is
excused
as
well.
Oh
cool,
okay,
yeah,
so.
B
B
G
F
E
I
I
wasn't
considering
it,
but
I
could
okay,
so
the
can
you
kind
of
refresh
us
on
the
duties
as
the
vice
chair
would
fill
in
when
the
chair
cannot
you.
G
E
B
For
the
selection
of
the
vice
chair,
all
in
favor.