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From YouTube: City of Oldsmar Planning Board Meeting, 9/9/2020
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A
Let's
go
ahead
and
do
pledge
of
allegiance
to
the.
A
C
A
D
B
D
E
D
B
E
A
E
Okay,
this
is
annexation:
two
zero
zero
located
unincorporated
pinellas
county
in
west
oldsmar,
at
3152,
huron
avenue,
request
from
the
property
owner
to
annex
the
property
containing
0.117
acres
into
the
corporate
limits
of
oldsmar.
It's
located
in
west
oldsmar,
section
1
block
17
lot
323.
It
is
contiguous
to
the
municipal
boundaries.
There
is
water
and
sewer
service.
Solid
waste
is
available
and
notice
is
provided
to
safety.
Harbor
in
pinellas,
county
basin
above
the
city
can
provide
water
and
sewer
has
the
ability
to
provide
solid
waste,
fire
ems,
recreation
and
library
services.
E
A
B
F
I
I
guess
I
have
a
general
question,
because
there
are
so
many
annotations
that
I
just
had
one
point
of
order.
When
properties
are
annexed,
do
they
keep
their
zone
or.
E
F
And
it's
choosing
the
island.
I
wait
till
there's.
G
F
E
A
B
F
Do
the
motion
do
the
motion
first
so
so
then
I
would
have
just
a
quick
question:
I'm
not
trying
to
be
so
is
the
city
pursuing
these?
I
mean
yes.
C
B
A
E
C
D
Make
a
motion:
we
recommend
a
n20-042
city
count
approval
to
a
n20-04
to
city
council.
B
E
Annexation,
20-06
3675
shore,
shore,
boulevard
annexation,
recommend
city
council
authorizes
the
attorney
to
prepare
an
ordinance
annex
and
west
oldsmar
section.
One
block
one
lot
forward
to
the
corporate
limits
of
the
city
of
oldsmore.
A
E
E
There's
a
request
for
a
text
amendment
to
section
5.5.1
of
the
land
development
code.
In
particular
the
applicant
is
seeking
the
following
amendments
within
the
ror
zoning
district
increase
the
maximum
permitted
residential
density
from
15
units
per
acre
to
24
units
per
acre
increase,
the
building
height
from
35
to
55,
increase
the
impervious
surface
area
ratio
from
0.7
to
0.9
and
increase
the
floor
area
ratio
from
0.4
to
0.55.
E
There
is
an
appendix
a
which
includes
the
applicant's
text
amendment
the
applicant
submitted
three
applications
for
the
oldsmar
flea
market.
This
text
amendment
to
increase
the
density
increase
the
far
isr
increase,
the
building
height,
there's
also
rezoning,
which
will
be
heard
later
from
c2
to
ror
and
land
use,
amendment
from
commercial
general
to
ror,
and
there
is
also
rezoning
from
m1
to
ror
and
land
use.
Amendment
from
industrial
limited
to
ror.
E
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
text
amendment
is
necessary
to
support
the
land
use
amendments
submitted
by
the
applicant
for
the
old
smart
fleet
market
site.
As
I
said,
current
zoning
of
c2
commercial,
general
and
m1
limited
manufacturing
and
land
use
of
cg
and
industrial
limited.
The
ror
zoning
district
was
established
to
serve
as
a
traditional
buffer
between
residential
moral
uses.
E
E
Currently
it
allows
permitted
uses
in
the
arm
15
c2
and
uses
an
office
general
district
as
a
conditional
use.
It
also
permits
r2
single
family
requests
for
a
code.
Amendment
must
from
the
old
smart
land
development
code
must
be
evaluated
soon
to
article
3,
section
3.13.2
standards
for
approval.
No
amendment
shall
be
approved
unless
it
adheres
to
all
the
following.
E
Standards,
the
proposed
text
amendment
is
not
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
does
not
advance
the
purpose
of
land
development
it
cause.
It
appears
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
amend
the
land
development
code
with
the
intent
of
permitting
a
residential
component
with
higher
densities
at
the
oldsmar
flea
market.
The
proposed
text
amendment
exceeds
current
ror
density
specified
in
the
future
conference
of
land
news
plan
of
oldsmar.
The
applicant
proposes
to
match
the
county-wide
future
land
use,
which
allows
higher
densities
of
24
units
per
acre
city
does
not
need
to
meet
anything
with
the
county-wide.
E
In
addition,
an
amendment
to
the
comprehensive
plan
residential
office
retail
land
use
would
be
required,
as
the
applicant
is
requested,
an
increase
in
units
per
acre
to
24
units
per
acre.
I
would
like
to
say
that
the
applicant
has
submitted
an
interest
in
doing
a
comprehensive
text
amendment,
but
that
has
not
been
formally
submitted.
Yet
the
applicant
has
provided
no
justification
and
increased
the
units
per
acre
other
than
to
indicate
that
the
cg
land
use
permits
24,
but
the
c2
commercial
general
zoning
permitted
under
current
or
our
zoning
does
not
permit
residential
uses.
E
The
city
zoning
can
be
more
restrictive
and
therefore
the
commercial
general
zoning
does
not
permit
residential
uses.
Amendment
will
contribute
to
this
community's
welfare
increase,
building
height
from
35
to
50
fight
five.
Within
the
city's
current
zoning,
the
ipd's
district
permits
maximum
building
height
of
80
feet
within
the
town
center.
E
E
It's
also
an
increase
in
the
isr
from
0.7
to
0.90,
0.7
being
the
highest
that
you
could
have
under
the
ror.
If
you
went
to
a
c2
use,
we've
shown
we
have
a
graphical
depiction
of
what
that
would
mean,
which
means
you
would
have
go
from:
30
percent
green
space
to
10
green
space
as
a
ratio.
0.9
represents
a
site
that
could
be
sealed
with
permeable
surfaces.
E
E
Space,
the
amendment
will
not
grant
a
special
privilege
to
an
individual
property
owner.
It
will
result
in
the
the
chart
showing
the
quality
density
intensity
change
within
the
city
of
oldsmar's
ror
zoning
district,
so
we're
showing
the
current
is
15
the
proposed
is
24
current
is
0.4,
proposed
is
0.55,
current
isr
is
0.7
proposed
is
0.9,
and
the
maximum
building
height
from
35
to
55
is
specifically
seeking
this
approval
to
implement
higher
residential
densities
in
the
flea
market
site.
E
Changing
the
entire
ror
code
to
meet
the
needs
for
one
site,
location
grants
a
special
privilege
to
the
property
owner.
The
applicant
was
noticed
that
the
desirable
densities
could
be
achieved
by
providing
a
master
plan
by
rezoning
to
a
mixed-use
plan
development,
not
a
code.
Amendment
based
above
discussion
staff
recommends
denial
of
ca,
20-02
proposed
change,
the
texas
city
of
oldsmar
land
development
code,
section
5.5.1
residential
office
district.
B
H
D
It's
it
seems
to
me
like
it's,
it's
a
special
privilege
and-
and
I
don't
like
special
privileges
when
you
change
this,
like
you,
said,
you're
gonna
change,
you're,
going
to
change
all
ror
in
the
list
of
the
list
that
you
gave
us
of
the
ror
properties
right
now
or
just
you
know,
I
mean
you
want
you
want
the
baby
motel
go
up
to
55
feet.
D
Do
you
want
the
tire
plus
to
go
up
to
55
feet?
I
think
the
car
wash
for
a
second
yeah.
You
want
to
build
another
car
wash
on
top
of
the
new
one
we
just
built.
You
want
walgreens
and
chick-fil-a
to
go
up
55
feet.
I
don't
think
so.
D
So
I'm
opposed
to
that
part
of
it
who,
in
their
right
mind,
wants
to
cover
90
of
the
property
so
that
you've
got
50,
000,
more
gallons
of
rainwater,
runoff
to
flood
the
streets
or
the
floods
of
yards
or
to
cause
more
headaches.
70
is
too
high.
In
my
opinion,
I
mean
50
percent
is
what
I
consider
the
be
good
70
is
too
high,
but
that's
that's
what
it
is.
90
is
ridiculous:
90
percent.
D
The
increase
in
the
far
I
I
mean
you
know,
obviously,
if
you
don't
want
to
increase
the
isr,
you
obviously
don't
want
to
increase
the
far
and
as
far
as
increasing
the
the
other
thing,
the
intensity
yeah.
D
You
want
to
go
up.
How
many
from
I
looked
at
it
now.
I've
lost
it,
but
anyway,
bottom
line
is.
This
is
just
it's
just
too
much
it's
just
too
much.
If,
if
if
they
were
asking
for
a
little
bit,
I
might
be
a
little
bit
more.
D
You
know
inclined
to
to
to
go
along
with
it,
but
as
it
stands
right
now,
I
am
100
against
this.
That's
all
I
have
to
say.
F
I
mean
from
the
information
I
have.
The
first
question
is:
why
didn't
they
apply
for
a
variance
instead
of
trying
to
change
the
code
for
all
of
the
properties?
The
applicants.
E
F
F
A
A
E
B
A
I
I
The
three
issues
on
the
agenda
are
all
intertwined.
What
I'd
like
to
do
with
your
permission,
is
I'd
like
to
go
through
all
this
material
in
a
very
simple,
straightforward
manner,
but
all
three
items
and
all
three
issues
really
are
all
together
as
one.
So
I
would
like
to
address
all
three
issues,
including
the
text
amendment
all
at
one
time,
if
I
may.
A
A
E
Retail
subject:
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
tampa
road
west
of
racetrack
note,
road
is
known
as
oldsmar
flea
market.
It's
currently
comprised
of
one
lot
consisting
of
19.46
acres
and
previously
been
planted
as
four
lots
which
the
applicant
combined
into
one
lot.
Without
going
through
the
city
planning
process,
the
applicant
has
been
informed.
They
must
go
through
the
city
planning
process
that
their
intent
is
to
make
this
site
unlock.
So
there
are
two
two
applications,
one
we're
calling
the
south
and
one
we're
calling
the
north.
The
current
this
is
the
north.
E
Current
zoning
of
the
northern
section
of
the
property
is
limited
manufacturing
m1
with
the
city,
land
use,
designation
of
industrial,
limited
and
county
designation
of
employment
within
target
employment
center
overlay,
which
is
the
north
property.
Southern
portion
of
the
property
is
zoned
commercial,
general
c2,
with
city
land,
use,
designation
of
commercial
general
cg
and
county
land
use
of
retail
services
with
target
employment
center
overlay.
E
The
entire
flea
market
property
is
approximately
19.46
acres
in
size
and
is
the
largest
commercial
site,
as
you
enter
the
city
limits
from
tampa
road
and
racetrack
road.
The
last
30
years
it's
operated
as
a
flea
market,
with
several
permanent
retail
businesses
and
multiple
flea
market
weekend
booths.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
rezone
and
change
the
land,
use
the
entire
19.46
acre
site
and
has
submitted
two
applications
north
and
south,
to
the
different
zoning
and
land
use
designations.
E
E
The
request
was
reviewed
against
following
standards
outlined
in
section
3.14.4
standards
for
approval,
oldsmar
land
development
code.
The
amendment
will
not
further
the
implementation
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
is
not
consistent
with
the
following
goals,
objectives
and
policies
outlined
in
the
old
smart,
comprehensive
plan.
The
land
development
code
shall
ensure
that
industrial
land
uses
are
encouraged
or
protected
where
they
will
be
compatible
with
surrounding
land
uses.
E
E
Future
land
use
policy
1.5.3,
which
referenced
above
directly,
reflects
and
meets
the
requirements
of
the
county-wide
rules,
section
6.5.4.4,
the
intent
of
section
6.5.4.4
conversion
criteria
for
employment-related
categories
and
uses
this
recognized
large
body
of
research
showing
that
land
designated
for
employment
is
critically
important
to
the
city
in
pinellas
county
and
to
ensure
if
such
land
is
allowed
to
be
redesignated
for
other
uses.
The
potential
to
accommodate
target
employment
is
maintained.
E
This
case
itself
will
have
to
go
towards
forward
towards
pinellas
county
for
approval,
also
because
it
will
be
a
change
to
their
county-wide
land
use,
the
employment
section
and
the
industrial
limited.
The
other
case
would
not
be
the
be
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
land
use
change
without
a
detailed
master
plan
or
site
plan
or
development
agreement
with
the
city.
The
development
of
this
site
is
more
conducive
to
a
master
plan,
development
or
mixed
use
plan
due
to
its
location,
size.
E
The
applicant
makes
several
references
to
a
conceptual
plan
that
was
prepared
by
stantec
consulting
group
eight
years
ago.
As
part
of
the
city's
multimodal
efforts.
This
conceptual
plan
contemplated
the
utilization
of
the
cxx
line
as
a
viable
passenger,
multimodal
alternative,
as
was
presented
to
city
council
as
an
example
of
a
site
plant
site
that
had
a
direct
access
to
this
line.
E
However,
it's
not
a
detailed
plan,
nor
has
it
been
reviewed
by
staff
or
stantec
as
to
its
viability,
as
the
focus
on
the
plan
was
in
potential
development
that
might
be
supported
if
regional
transit
occurred.
The
applicant
has
not
provided
any
detail
on
other
proposed
uses
as
part
of
this
land
use
amendment
to
the
site.
So
far,
staff
has
only
confirmed
with
the
applicant
the
proposed
residential
component
on
this
site.
E
The
site
is
located
completely
within
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
where
large
scale,
land
use
amendments
which
increased
density
have
been
discouraged.
The
applicants
proposing
the
land
use
change
without
a
master
plan.
The
applicant
made
several
references
to
the
conceptual
plan
that
was
prepared
by
by
stantec.
However,
it
provides
no
level
of
detail
on
the
size
and
scale
of
the
proposed
uses.
E
The
applicant
did
provide
an
impact
and
assessment
report
under
the
present
and
future
land
use
and
rezoning
designations
as
to
their
best
guess
without
a
site
plan,
staff
is
unable
to
determine
if
sufficient,
potable
water
and
facilities
will
be
continuously
available
to
serve
the
property,
as
the
mix
of
uses
or
site
plan
for
the
site
has
not
been
presented.
The
city
in
the
past
is
entered
into
development
agreements
with
applicants
to
assure
that
the
capacity
to
is
available
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
entire
site.
E
The
applicant
did
provide
this
assessment
reports
to
show
for
adequate
sewers
of
facilities,
including
treatment.
Capac
capabilities
will
be
continuously
available
to
serve
the
property
staffs
unable
to
determine
if
adequate
sanitary
sewers
are
available,
including
treatment
capacities
will
be
able
to
continuously
serve
the
property
as
the
mix
of
uses
or
as
the
site
plan
for
the
site
has
not
been
presented.
E
The
applicant
provided
the
impact
assessment
port
of
the
present
and
future
land
use
and
zoning
designations
as
their
two
best
guests
without
a
site
plan.
We're
unable
to
determine
if
sufficient
traffic
carrying
capacities
will
be
continuously
available
to
serve
the
property.
As
the
mix
of
uses
on-site
plans
for
this
site
have
not
been
presented.
E
The
city
in
the
past
has
entered
in
development
agreements
with
applicants
to
assure
that
capacity
is
available
to
meet
the
deeds
of
the
entire
site.
We
requested
the
applicant
to
enter
into
the
development
agreement
which
the
applicant
refused
to
do.
The
amendment
will
not
adversely
affect
the
natural
environment
as
the
site
is
already
developed
as
a
flea
market
with
multiple
booths
throughout
the
site.
E
Adequate
public
facilities,
such
as
schools,
parks
and
libraries,
are
unable
to
be
determined
at
this
point
due
to
the
missing
site
plan
for
the
site
has
not
been
presented.
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
this
amendment
is
being
requested
in
order
to
allow
residential
development
on
the
current
industrial
limited
parcel
for
the
last
30
years.
It
has
been
commercial
uses
operating
as
a
flea
market.
Granting
this
land
news
amendment
will
constitute
a
special
privilege
to
the
owner,
who
is
looking
for
residential
uses
on
this
site
by
adding
residential
uses.
It
makes
it
easier
to
develop.
E
Staff
is
unable
to
determine
if
the
amendment
will
conflict
with
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood
of
the
city.
Staff
has
not
seen
a
detailed
master
plan
with
proposed
uses,
and
the
applicant
does
not
want
to
enter
a
development
agreement
with
the
city.
The
requested
amendment
will
only
be
beneficial
to
the
vet
developer
rather
than
the
city
or
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
as
the
intended
uses
or
amount
of
residential
units
have
not
been
provided
to
staff.
E
B
E
Including
a
master
plan,
the
amendment
will
not
deter
the
improvement
or
development
of
other
property
in
the
area.
It
may
deter
the
improvement
or
development
of
other
property
in
the
area.
Tampa
bay
downs,
north
of
this
site
in
2010,
annexed
100
acres
into
the
city,
the
city
indicated
it
had
the
ability
to
serve
this
property
for
development
city
staff
does
not
know
what
the
plan
is
for
developing
the
19.46,
acre
flea
market
site
or
the
impact
it
may
have
on
the
city's
ability
to
serve
both
this
site
and
the
temp
of
a
downs
property.
E
It's
the
city's
best
interest
to
enter
in
a
development
agreement
with
a
safe
plan
indicating
the
proposed
uses
before
approval
of
this
amendment,
based
on
above
discussion
and
review
of
section
3.14.4,
the
land
development
code
staff
recommends
denial
of
the
land
use
amendment
from
industrial
limited
to
residential
office,
retail.
The
northern
parcel.
E
F
B
E
Okay,
I
won't
go
through
okay.
This
is
a
request
for
rezoning
from
limited
manufacturing
to
ror,
so
the
first
one
was
land
use.
This
is
now
the
rezoning
of
the
parcel
request
for
rezoning
was
evaluated
pursuant
to
article
3
section
3.15.3,
standards
for
approval,
land
development
code,
land
development
code
5.5.11,
the
intent
and
purpose
of
the
ror
residential
office.
E
Retail
district
is
established
to
provide
for
mixed
use,
development
of
both
residential
and
compatible
professional
office
and
limited
personal
service
and
retail
uses
ror
is
to
serve
as
a
transitional
buffer
between
the
commercial
property
and
strictly
residential
properties.
The
site
is
adjacent
to
industrial
uses.
North
east
and
west
is
not
adjacent
to
a
residential
district
and
therefore
does
not
serve
as
a
buffer
between
commercial
and
residential
property.
The
applicant
proposes
to
rezone
this
property
to
ror
without
providing
a
site
plan
of
the
intended
uses.
E
The
north
property
is
six
acres
of
a
19.46
acre
site.
The
development
of
this
scale
is
more
suitable
for
a
plant
unit.
Development
type
of
zoning
with
the
intended
and
proposed
used
depicted
the
applicant
is
requesting
this
rezoning
from
m1
limited
manufacturing
to
ror
without
a
site
plan
or
development
agreement.
They
have
submitted
a
code
amendment
to
the
ror
zoning
category,
which,
if,
if
approved,
would
allow
building
heights
of
up
to
55
feet.
Fars
of
50.55,
an
isr
of
0.9
and
also
residential
from
24
from
15
to
24,
are
rezoning
to
ror.
E
E
The
logistics
of
a
misuse
development
are
typically
evaluated
during
the
rezoning
application
process,
given
the
size
and
scale
of
the
site
and
to
sufficiently
safeguard
the
integrity
and
character
of
the
area.
Staff
had
recommended
a
rezoning
to
a
mixed-use
plan
development,
which
is
an
existing
zoning
within
our
land
development
code.
E
The
amendment
may
constitute
a
granting
of
special
privilege
to
the
owner.
Current
zoning
does
not
provide
residential
uses.
The
applicant
included
a
copy
of
a
multimodal
mixed-use
constant
plan,
as
presented
to
the
city
council
by
stantec
consulting
services.
This
concept
plan
had
been
created
due
to
the
site
proximity
to
utilizing
the
csx
rail
line.
E
Every
zoning
to
ror,
with
a
vague
reference
to
a
multimodal
constant
plan
prepared
eight
years
ago,
is
not
sufficient.
Nor
does
it
provide
enough
detail
to
ascertain
the
impact
of
this
amendment.
During
the
review
process,
staff
made
several
requests
for
a
future
plan.
However,
the
applicant
refused
to
provide
one
the
amendment.
The
property
is
currently
an
industrial
zone,
property
adjacent
to
industrial
and
commercial
uses.
The
future
uses
for
this
site
under
the
proposed
ror
have
not
been
provided
at
the
time.
E
The
amendment
may
deter
the
improvement
or
development
of
other
property
in
the
area.
Tampa
bay,
downs,
north
of
the
site
and
2010
had
annexed
100
acres
into
the
city,
and
the
city
had
indicated
at
the
time
it
had
the
ability
to
serve
the
property
for
development
staff
does
not
know
what
the
plan
is
for
developing
the
19.46,
acre
flea
market
site
or
the
impact
it
may
have
on
the
city's
ability
to
serve
both
this
site
and
the
tampa
bay
diamond
site.
E
E
The
applicant
did
provide
the
impact
assessment
report
under
the
present
and
future
land
use
and
zoning
designations,
but
were
unable
to
determine
if
the
amendment
would
adversely
burden
public
facilities,
including
traffic
carrying
capacities
of
streets
in
a
reasonable
or
disproportionate
manner.
District
boundaries
are
appropriately
drawn
with
regard
to
location
and
classifications
of
streets
ownership
lines.
Existing
improvements
in
the
natural
environment.
E
The
applicant
will
be
required
to
plat
the
property
for
future
development
staff
is
unable
to
predict
what
impacts
this
rezoning
could
produce,
as
the
applicant
has
not
provided
a
site
plan
outlining
the
proposed
uses
on
the
6
8
corporal
and
the
20-acre
plus
site
in
general.
The
misuse
mixed
use
of
development
is
supported
by
the
staff
and
is
also
recognized
by
the
county
as
a
future
job
catalyst
for
the
site.
However,
the
rezoning
to
ror
alone
does
not
guarantee
that
the
desired
mixed
uses
are
going
to
be
incorporated
by
the
owner.
E
The
applicant
is
pursuing
this
rezoning
in
order
to
achieve
residential
use,
which
is
currently
not
allowed.
The
amendment
will
not
further
express
the
purposes
of
the
land
development
code.
In
conjunction
with
the
ror
code
amendment,
the
applicant
has
proposed
a
code
amendment
to
the
city
of
oldsmar
land
development
code,
so
that
the
land
development
code
could
fit
the
future
development
needs
of
the
owner.
B
A
E
E
E
This
portion
of
the
site
does
not
require
a
county
land
use
amendment
since,
under
the
county-wide
rules,
the
site
has
a
retail
and
services
land
news
designation,
which
is
equivalent
to
the
city
of
old's,
mars,
commercial,
general
and
ror
land
use.
Category
property
is
surrounded
by
industrial
uses
on
the
north
side
and
commercial
uses
to
the
west
to
the
east.
It's
adjacent
to
racetrack
road,
which
serves
as
the
border
between
hillsborough
county
and
pinellas
county.
E
There's
an
existing
circle
case,
shell
station
on
the
southeast
corner,
adjacent
to
the
site
and
other
commercial
uses
along
tampa
road
to
the
south
directly
across
from
the
subject
property.
The
land
use
request
is
for
the
13.45
acre
portion
of
the
19.46
acre
site
from
commercial
general
to
residential
office
retail.
E
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
this
land
use
amendment
is
to
ensure
a
future
residential
component
on
the
entire
19.46
acre
site.
We
recognize
that
there's
an
ongoing
trend
to
redevelop
with
with
residential,
which
tend
to
return
a
higher
short-term
profit
to
landowners,
but
is
the
least
beneficial
to
the
city
and
the
economy.
Over
the
long
term,
the
entire
property
is
designated
under
the
county-wide
map
as
a
target
employment
district,
which
isn't
created
to
ensure
retention
of
employers
that
can
provide
future
highway
jobs.
E
The
applicant
is
proposing
the
land
use
change
without
a
detailed
master
site.
Planner
development
agreement
with
the
city
development
of
the
scale
is
more
conducive
to
a
master
plan.
Development
or
mixed
use.
Plan
to
the
location
size
makes
several
references
to
the
com
stantec
consulting
services
plan,
which
was
produced
eight
years
ago.
E
The
applicant
has
not
provided
any
detail
on
other
proposed
uses
as
part
of
this
land
use
amendment
of
the
site.
So
far,
staff
has
only
confirmed
the
applicant,
the
proposed
residential
component
on
the
site.
The
site
is
located
completely
within
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
where
large-scale
land
use
amendments
would
increase,
density,
isn't
discouraged,
it
is
proposing
a
land
use.
Amendment
without
a
master
plan
makes
several
references
to
the
conceptual
plan
that
was
prepared
by
stance
heck.
However,
it
provides
no
level
of
detail
on
the
size
and
scale
of
the
proposed
users.
E
The
amendment
will
not
adversely
affect
the
natural
environment
of
the
site,
as
is,
is
already
developed
with
a
flea
market
with
multiple
booths
throughout
the
site.
We're
unable
to
determine
if
adequate
public
facilities,
such
as
schools,
parks
and
libraries
will
be
continuously
available
to
serve
the
property
as
the
mix
of
uses
or
site
plan
for
the
site
has
not
been
presented.
E
The
applicant
had
indicated
that
this
amendment
is
being
requested
in
order
to
allow
residential
development
in
the
current
commercial
general
parcel.
It
has
been
developed
with
the
flea
market
over
the
past
30
years
and
granting
this
land
use.
Amendment
may
constitute
a
special
privilege
to
the
owner,
who
is
looking
for
residential
uses
on
this
site.
E
Staff
is
unable
to
determine
if
the
amendment
will
conflict
with
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood
of
the
city
due
to
the
lack
of
a
master's
plan
with
proposed
uses
and
the
applicant
does
not
want
to
enter
in
a
development
agreement
with
the
city.
During
the
review
process,
staff
made
several
requests
for
a
future
site
plan.
However,
the
applicant
has
refused
to
provide
one,
as
stated
in
the
old,
smart
future
land
use
plan.
E
Future
developments
of
this
magnitude
shelby
encouraged
the
use
of
a
planned
unit
development,
including
a
master
plan
which
would
protect
other
property
from
adversely
unreasonable
effects
of
the
uses
that
otherwise
are
known.
At
the
time
of
this
change,
the
amendment
may
deter
the
improvement
or
development
of
other
property
in
the
area.
E
This
is
a
rezoning
request
from
commercial
general
to
residential
office
retail.
It
must
be
evaluated
pursuant
to
article
3
section
3.15.3
standards
for
approval
land
development
code
site
is
not
adjacent
to
residential
district
and
therefore
does
not
serve
as
a
buffer
between
commercial
and
residential
properties.
E
Applicant
proposes
to
rezone
this
property
ror
without
providing
a
site
plan
of
the
intended
use.
The
south
property
is
13.45
acres
of
a
19.46
acre
site,
and
a
development
of
the
scale
is
more
suitable
for
a
planned
unit.
Development
type
of
zoning,
with
all
the
intended
and
proposed
uses
depicted
the
applicant,
is
requesting
the
rezoning
from
c2
to
ror
without
a
site
planner
development
agreement.
E
They
have
submitted
the
code
amendment
in
conjunction
with
this
for
the
roared
zoning
category,
which,
if
approved,
would
allow
building
heights
up
to
55
feet
far
0.55
and
isr
0.9
are
rezoning
to
ror.
In
conjunction
with
this
code,
amendment
may
significantly
affect
the
integrity
and
character
of
the
area.
E
E
The
amendment
may
constitute
a
grant
of
special
privilege
to
the
owner.
Current
zoning
does
not
provide
residential
uses.
The
applicant
has
indicated
the
main
purpose
of
this
rezoning
is
to
rezone
to
a
use
with
residential
component.
Other
uses
were
not
proposed
by
the
applicant.
The
amendment
may
conflict
with
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood
of
the
city
or
resonating
to
ror,
with
a
vague
reference
to
a
multimodal
concept
plan
prepared
eight
years
ago
is
not
sufficient.
Nor
does
it
provide
enough
detail
to
ascertain
the
impact
of
this
amendment.
E
During
the
review
process,
staff
made
several
requests
for
a
future
plan.
However,
the
applicant
has
refused
to
provide
one
property
is
currently
a
commercial
zone.
Property
adjacent
to
industrial
and
commercial
uses
future
uses
for
the
site
under
the
proposed
ror
rezoning
have
not
been
provoked
private
at
this
time.
The
logistics
of
a
misuse
mixed-use
development
are
typically
evaluated
during
the
planned
development
rezoning,
given
the
size
and
scale
of
the
site
to
sufficiently
safeguard
the
integrity
and
character
of
the
area.
E
E
E
We're
unable
to
predict
that
what
impacts
this
zone
at
rezoning
would
produce,
as
the
applicant
has
not
provided
a
site
plan
outlining
the
proposed
uses
on
this
13.45
acre
parcel
and
the
19.46
acre
site
in
general.
The
amendment
will
not
further
the
express
purposes
the
land
development
could
code.
In
conjunction
with
the
ror
code
amendment,
the
applicant
has
proposed
a
code
amendment
to
the
city
of
oldsmar's
land
development
code,
ror
zoning
section
so
that
the
land
development
code
could
fit
the
future
development
needs
of
the
owner.
E
If
this
rezoning
is
approved,
the
very
zoning
is
not
consistent
with
the
implementation
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
since
the
application
applicant
is
not
providing
a
plan
that
can
guarantee
a
true
mix
of
uses.
The
roi
zoning
cannot
be
supported
at
this
time
to
accommodate
the
owners
and
applicants
needs
for
residential
component
of
the
stat
site.
D
B
E
Right
now
it's
it's
got
dual
zoning,
so
it
has
m1,
which
is
more,
your
industrial
use,
office,
type
of
zoning
and
then
the
majority
of
the
properties,
c2
commercial,
general
right.
B
D
We
may
or
may
not
like
to
have
there,
but
right
so
if
we
do,
if
we
we
approve,
if
we
recommend
approval
of
this
and
it
does
get
approved,
then
we'll
have
some
say
so
over
what
what
goes
on
the
property
that
it
may
be
better
and
well.
It
may
be
better
than
what
what
we,
what
we
are
what's
allowed
now.
E
D
We
may
not
like
what's
what
can
go
in
there
now,
so
we
change
it
into
something
that
we
do
like
that
may
go
in
there,
okay,
and
in
doing
that,
we
also
change
lots
of
other
things.
I've
seen
this
happen
before
you
change
the
change
of
codes
or
change
the
the
zonings
or
land
use
for
this
one
pacific
specific
thing,
because
you
know
this
is
a
good
idea.
This
is
I
like
this
without
looking
at
what
impact
it's
going
to
have
on
the
rest
of
the
community.
D
D
High
medical
center
is
55
sonoco
gas
station
55
feet
high
baskin
robbins
55
feet
high,
it's
a
good
wheel,
55
feet
express
oil
55
feet
and
the
new,
as
you
said,
jim,
the
new
car,
you
know
the
new
car
wash
can
be
have
be
a
two-story
car
wash
anyway.
I
I
I'm
even
more
opposed
to
it
now
than
I
was
when
I
after
I
first
read
it.
So
that's
all.
I
have
to
say.
B
J
J
He
would
abuse
every
foot
of
that
taking
that
up
and
do
we
want
a
60-foot
hotel
in
the
middle
of
downtown
oldspawn.
So
I
agree
with
bob.
A
E
E
E
I
So
I'm
getting
the
impression
michelle's
not
too
happy.
With
this.
I
get
you're
thinking
recommending
denial.
I
think
I
got
the
picture
there.
Miss
chairman
and
board
members
for
the
record
again
todd
pressman,
202nd
avenue
south
in
the
saint
petersburg.
I
I
In
order
to
do
that,
they've
generated
232
pages
of
planning
rules,
regulations,
bureaucracy,
county-wide
plans,
most
involved
thing,
the
most
largest
staff
report.
I've
ever
seen.
I've
been
doing
this
for
25
years.
Robert
was
here
as
our
planner.
We
never
seen
anything
like
it,
so
we
appreciate
michelle
doing
a
lot
of
good
work
and
staff
doing
the
work
and
felicia
too
we
work
with
them
a
lot.
I
I
The
business
community
is
suffering.
We
are
in
no
position
to
present
a
plan
on
this
property,
but
we
have
an
option
which
mr
harvey
referred
to
you
as
zoning
districts,
and
you
have
some
control
in
zonia
districts.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
switch
to
a
powerpoint
can
is
that
all
up
for
you
on
your
screens?
I
Currently
there
are
what
is
that
25,
2
million
500
000
25
million
visitors
per
year,
250
vendors,
that's
250,
separate
businesses
that
operate
at
the
site
and
what
is
that
out
of
idaho
is
one
million
cars
per
year,
a
large
amount.
This
is
a
big
impact.
This
is
a
big
issue.
This
is
a
big
property
for
the
city
and
we're
proud
of
it.
I
Mr
chairman
of
board
members,
we
have
a
plan,
that's
been
devised
by
the
best,
literally
one
of
the
best
planning
international
firms
that
the
city
was
smart
enough
to
hire
and
pay
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to,
and
we're
also
lucky,
because
we
have
a
man
like
grady
who
has
tremendous
vision
and
he
has
turned
around
properties
like
this
and
he
owns
them.
He
sells
some
and
he
operates
them.
So
we
have
two
important
characteristics
here:
to
get
the
flea
market
where
it
needs
to
go,
but
we
need
your
help.
I
I
I
don't
think
anybody
is
thrilled
or
is
in
love
with
it.
Warehousing
looks
like
a
big
warehouse
shackled
put
together,
hodgepodge,
that's
not
where
we
want
to
be:
that's
not
where
michelle
wants
to
be
or
felicia
wants
to
be,
or
I'm
sure
any
of
you
want
to
be.
This
is
some
of
the
interior.
Now
it's
fun
to
go
to,
and
people
have
a
good
time
there.
I
go
there
myself.
I
This
is
one
example
of
many
grady
ibiswoak,
which
was
some
part
industrial
partly
run
down.
It's
been
redone
with
apartments
beautiful
shopping
center.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
been
there.
I've
been
there
a
few
times
myself
beautiful
job,
gorgeous.
That's
what
it's
going
to
take
to
get
the
flea
market
where
we
have
to
have
it.
So
where
do
we
want
to
go
from
here
and
how
do
we
get
there?
Well,
just
like
michelle
said
it's
going
to
be
mixed
use.
I
How
do
we
get
there?
Well,
we
have
two
ways
we
can
rezone
it
with
a
plan
which,
if
we
could
do
we'd,
be
happy
to
do.
I
do
them
all
the
time
robert
does
them
all
the
time.
We
can't
do
that
here.
It's
not
going
to
work
or
we
have
a
beautiful
zoning
code
and
we
can
choose
a
zoning
district
that
gives
you
and
the
staff
some
control
in
terms
of
those
uses
that
are
under
euclidean
district.
It's
done
all
the
time.
You
know
that
your
planning
board,
you
see
them,
come
through
all
the
time.
I
We
need
that
flexibility
we
have
to
update.
We
have
to
renovate
we
have
to
improve
regarding
the
current
businesses,
in
our
rapidly
changing
covid
economy
and
for
all
future
businesses
and
for
the
residents
and
what's
for
the
best
best
of
oldsman,
so
the
city
was
smart
enough
to
spend
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
literally
with
one
of
the
best
international
planning
firms
in
the
world,
which
is
stantec
and
they're
experts
in
land
use
planning.
I
When
I
came
to
speak
with
the
staff
for
my
first
visit,
mr
chairman
of
board
members,
do
you
know
what
they
gave
me?
They
gave
me
the
stantec
plan.
They
said
you
know
we
did
this
study.
This
is
what
you
should
do.
That
was
the
first
document.
The
first
direction
I
ever
got
from
staff
marie
handed
it
to
me
myself.
I
I
thought
great,
we
got
a
great
plan
to
work
towards
stantec
has
done
projects
all
over
the
united
states,
some
of
the
most
famous.
This
is
a
few
of
them
there.
I
just
picked
it
off
the
internet,
west
5,
blackford
stage,
one
sports,
hospitality,
district,
ava,
maria
town
center.
They
do
beautiful
work
and
they
do
beautiful
plans,
they
produced
the
stationary
plan
and
they
included
the
transit
orient
development
for
the
flea
market
site.
I
I
have
copies.
I
can
give
you
the
the
specific
plan
if
you
like,
but
here's
what
they
said-
and
this
is
very
important.
Mr
chairman
board
members
stantic
said
it
needs
a
mixture
of
retail
office,
residential
and
hotel
uses
mid-rise,
residential
condos
and
hotel,
including
structured
parking.
Well
guess
what
the
zoning
on
the
site
now
does
not
allow
residential
have
to
have
residential.
I
mean
we
all
know.
Look
at
saint
pete,
his
residential
dunedin
town
center
has
residential
your
town
center.
I
Has
residential
residential
component
is
critical
for
a
mixed-use
project,
but
right
now
we
can't
do
that.
That's
one
of
the
main
reasons
we're
coming
through
for
change,
so
we
can
meet
the
directions
of
the
planning
of
the
planning
company,
but
they
go
on
to
say
that
the
buildings
feature
both
elevated
pool
and
gardens
and
support
higher
density
and
quality
residential
development
emphasis
added.
I
didn't
put
that
in
that's
in
the
report,
so
we
knew
that
was
the
direction
we
have
to
go
and
grading
knows
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
I
I
We
can
get
the
flea
market
to
do
now:
target
employment
uses.
Quite
frankly,
at
the
county
level,
you
must
show
a
reasonable
effort
to
provide
them
so
they're
not
going
to
go
away.
That's
the
industrial
uses
and
other
more
higher
tech
uses.
They
are
required
to
stay
and,
in
my
conversations
with
ford
pinellas,
they
will
work
with
us
on
a
reasonable
level
of
those
uses.
I
What
does
our
ozoning
and
land
use
mean?
Well,
as
the
title
says,
intensity
residential
uses
we're
seeking
to
change
that
a
little
bit
too
office
general
commercial
zoning
category
pretty
much
the
same
thing.
So
the
current
zoning
map
that
goes
to
ror
the
current
feature.
Land
use
map
goes
to
ror
again
from
the
planners.
I
A
mixture
of
retail
office,
residential
and
hotel
uses
emitted
by
residential
condos
support,
higher
density,
residential
emphasis
added
now
michelle
and
the
report
talk
a
lot
about
the
coastal
high
hazard
and,
quite
frankly,
all
the
cities
are
moving
towards
the
changes
in
the
text.
Amendment
because
coastal
high
hazard
is
an
area
where
there's
a
lot
of
residential
and
I'm
sure
you
can
see
that
the
town
center
of
oldsmar,
which
has
higher
residential
that
we're
trying
to
mirror,
is
in
the
coastal
high
hazard.
I
So
it
was
fine
for
there,
city
of
saint
pete,
just
passed
same
type
of
thing.
You
have
to
go
higher
in
coastal
high
hazards.
You
can
get
above
the
water
in
a
safe
height
everything's
being
raised.
We
all
see
the
structures
going
up,
so
we
have
to
have
the
height.
Mr
harvey
that's
why
we
have
to
have
the
height,
because
we
have
to
be
in
the
co,
we're
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
and
when
the
city
council
approved
their
plan
for
100
garden
apartments
that
was
located
right
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
as
well.
I
So
it
was
fine
for
100
garden
apartments
that
the
city
was
pushing
as
a
master
plan.
We're
only
asking
to
do
the
same
thing
quite
frankly,
with
a
lot
less,
I
believe,
a
lot,
probably
less
density,
so
coastal
high
hazard
is
not
a
bad
word.
If
you
address
it,
but
to
address
it,
we
had
to
change
some
of
the
codes.
Mr
harvey.
We
have
to
go
higher
to
make
the
residential
work.
Mr
harvey,
we
had
to
increase
the
density.
I
I
I
There
are
comp
plan
policies
that
do
support
us,
and
I
think
I
can
read
that
from
here.
The
redevelopment
or
rehabilitation
of
existing
commercial
areas
or
uses
shall
be
encouraged.
The
provisions
contained
the
ldc
we
think
we're
meeting
those
now
we're
not
meeting
them
exactly
the
way
michelle
and
marie
would
like
us
to,
but
we're
moving
in
the
direction
that
we
think
is
best
and
that
we
can
do
lvc
shall
contain
provisions
whereby
supporting
a
complimentary
industries
and
accelerate
commercial
services
shall
be
located
in
proximity
to
each
other
accomplished.
Linkage.
I
I
I
I
So
we
feel
that
we're
on
course
there.
We
think
that
makes
sense
now
switch
topics,
marie
talked
a
lot
about
infrastructure
and
required
utilities.
Water
soon,
all
that-
and
we
had
a
lot
of
talk
about
that.
So
we
hired
robert
robert's
been
a
planner
in
the
county
for
20-25
years.
They
told
us
to
submit
the
maximum
development
scenarios.
I
They
told
us
to
submit
the
worst
case
redevelopment
scenario
and
that's
what
robert
did
robert
didn't
want
to.
Do
it
that's
what
we
did
so
I
am
quite
frankly,
I'm
a
little
wondering
why
the
staff
report
says
they
can't
evaluate
it
because
they
forced
us
to
present
the
worst
case,
the
most
density
of
commercial
residential
and
the
only
answer
we
got
back
is
they
couldn't
evaluate
it.
So
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that.
All
I
can
tell
you
is
what
we
did.
It
cost
us
a
lot
of
money
to
do.
I
I
I
I
I
I
see
two
board
members
here,
not
wearing
masks.
I
think
mass
are
required,
but
quite
frankly,
in
this
case,
they're
not
required,
but
staff
kept
pushing
them
and
pushing
it
and
pushing
it.
So
what
we
submitted
and
agreed
to
was
a
impact
study
and
we
submitted
an
impact
study
which
again
was
forced
to
be
at
the
maximum
capacity.
So
when
you
hear
these
things
from
the
staff
report,
of
course,
like
everything,
there's
another
side
of
the
story,
so
we
did
agree
to
that.
We
did
submit
it.
I
I
I
I
I
I
would
suggest,
with
all
due
respect
a
disconnect
from
the
planning
department
and
I've
shown
you
plenty
of
comp
plan
policies
that
do
support
this
request.
So
with
that
I
do
want
to
say
again.
We
appreciate
alicia's
work,
marie's
work,
staff's
work,
and
we
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
We're
happy
to
end
we're
here
to
answer
any
question
for
you
we're
here
to
respond
to
any
concern
that
you
might
have,
and
we
appreciate
your
patience.
Thank
you.
F
Okay,
so
I
I
appreciate
you
laying
that
out.
I
still
am
a
little
confused
of
the
rush
to
make
these
changes
when
you
don't
have
a
plan
and
in
oldsmar
which
I've
lived
in
quite
a
while.
I
appreciate
that
our
planning
group
does
want
to
see
what's
going
to
be
built
and
does
want
to
keep
as
is
repeated
over
and
again
in
the
code.
F
The
the
neighborly
feel
of
old,
smart,
reducing
from
70
percent
to
90
or
increasing,
would
greatly
change
the
face
of
tampa
road
as
you're
driving
down
if
all
the
other
properties
chose
to
follow
suit.
With
that,
it's
not
perfect,
I
mean
things
happen,
but
I
would
I
would
ask
you
to
share
with
us.
Surely
you
have
some
idea
of
different
options
that
you're
thinking
of
and
and
also
why
those
options
couldn't
fit?
I
I
I
I
I
This
is
myself
talking
about
by
the
way
it
ends
up
being
a
bogged
down,
time,
long
period,
time
element
to
try
and
get
a
plan
done,
and
then
what
happens-
and
this
happens
in
hillsboro
all
the
time,
because
we
do
plans
all
the
time
in
hillsborough,
county,
develop
comes
up,
buyer
comes
up
and
then
they
find
out
it's
going
to
take
six
months
to
get
a
plan
done
and
once
you
get
in
the
plan,
the
staff's
going
to
find
a
lot
of
issues.
That's
not
bad!
That's
what
planners
do
how
about
this?
I
How
about
it's
going
to
change
all
these
gears
and
it
kills
deals?
That
is
a
part
of
it.
There's
no
question
about
it,
so
I
I
can't
give
you
a
better
answer
than
what
I
told
you.
I
can
only
ask
you
to
envision
the
times
that
we
are
in
the
difficulty
we
are
facing
and
what's
going
to
happen
to
flea
market,
if
we
cannot
get
this
thing
moving,
I
hope
that's
a
good
enough
answer
for
you.
D
I
It's
great
it's
a
great
time.
I
never
said
the
flea
market's
going
away.
They
have
260
businesses
and,
by
the
way,
another
flea
market.
Two
flea
markets
have
closed
wagon
whale,
which
was
a
which
was
a
mainstay
in
pinellas
county
went
out
of
business,
they
went
out
of
business
over
the
covet
and
a
second
one
closed
in
pasco
county.
So
more
and
more
people
are
coming
that.
I
believe
that
will
still
remain
a
component
of
the
site,
but
we
need
to
make
it
nice.
I
D
I'm
not
sure
you
can
make
a
flea
market
pretty,
but
that's
okay,
let's
see,
as
I
said
from
the
very
beginning,
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
is
ninety
percent.
In
per
there's,
no,
I
mean
everything
the
water
is
going
to
go.
Where
is
it
going
to
go
right
now
that
property
is
mostly
a
ground,
so
it
soaks
up
the
water
and
there
is
a
little
drainage
that's
running
through
there.
I
There
absolutely
will
not
be,
and
it's
not
it's
not
allowed
to
be,
and
by
the
way,
you're
talking
to
myself
a
former
chairman
of
the
southwest
florida
water
management
district
served
for
10
years
one
year
as
chairman,
there
cannot
be
run
off
of
storm
water
from
this
property.
It
must
be
attenuated
too.
That's
one
reason
why
we
hire
guys
like
robert,
because
they
are
smarter
than
me.
I
just
voted
on
the
stuff.
I
Yes,
that's
the
case,
but
I'm
going
to
say
to
you
again,
mr:
are
you
going
to
take
a
take
liberty
that
I
would
ask
you
in
your
deliberation,
to
support
whatever
element
you
can?
If
you
have
a
problem
with
one
element
in
your
recommendation,
I
would
ask
you
to
call
that
out,
but
the
answer
to
you
is
yes,
there
are
many
ways
to
accentuate
it.
Sometimes
it's
underground
one
of
the
centers
I
work
with
at
mcmullen
enterprise,
where
the
new
hotel
was
just
built.
That
is
all
underground.
I
D
Okay,
my
other
question
is,
as
you've
heard
me
say
a
while
ago.
You
know
you
want
to
go
up
to
55
feet
tonight.
Is
there
any
way
you
can
guarantee
me
that
oldsmar
smoking
barbecue
is
not
going
to
build
a
second
story
or
even
the
third
story?
Can
they
build
30
stories
in
55
yeah?
D
And
all
that
the
same
is
going
to
apply
to
all
this
so
right
now,
walgreens
has
a
parking
lot
that
has,
I
presume
they
have
a
70
shell.
They,
I
presume
they
had
to
have
a
70
whatever,
let's
say
well
now,
walgreens
says:
hey:
let's
build
a
bigger
parking
lot
and
they
can
do
it.
I
D
Well,
I
I
just
I
I'll
be
honest.
I
just
don't
want.
I
mean
580
is
already
is
commercial
here
at
basically
commercial
and
I
don't
want
it.
I
don't
want
it
to
turn
into
another
gulf
debate.
Gulf
to
bay
is
just
I
mean,
that's,
that's,
that's
a
to
me.
That's
an
embarrassment
for
clearwater
the
way
it's
the
way,
they've,
let
it
build
up
over
the
years.
D
Yes,
of
course,
it
was
that
way
when
I
moved
here
40
years
ago,
so
you
know
I
mean
that
was
long
before
there
was
any
real
planning
going
on.
You
know,
but
so
I
I
just
don't
want
that
to
happen.
Like
I
said
earlier,
I
think
all
four
of
your
requests
are.
D
Too
much
I'll
put
it
that
way
they
just
they're
just
just
too
much.
I
I
when
you
want
the
the
residence
or
the
rate
to
go
from
what
15
to
24
that's
what
a
60
increase.
I
Well,
sir,
the
land
use
category
allows
your
land
use.
Category
already
allows
24
units
per
acre.
Let
me
be
very.
A
I
Yeah,
your
land
use
category
in
your
city
allows
24
units
per
acre.
What
we're
seeking
to
do
is
to
change
the
zoning
category,
so
it
matches
so
it's
kind
of
a
hole
in
the
code.
Quite
frankly,
you
have
a
hole
in
your
code
that
you
have
a
land
use
category
that
says
24
units
per
acre,
but
you
have
no
zoning
district
that
we
can
go
to
that
matches
it
we're
only
trying
to
fix
a
hole
on
that.
I
think
that
issue
that
density
issue
is
a
lot
different.
I
Quite
frankly,
if
we
don't
get
the
density,
high
quality
emphasis
added,
high
density,
a
mixed
use
simply
is
not
going
to
work.
Mr
harvey,
if
you
look
at
every
mixed
use,
development
downtown
st
p
city
of
dunedin
all
have
like
that
picture
garages
on
the
bottom
above,
the
coastal,
high
hazard
and
residences
above
it
will
not
work,
so
it
will
not
work.
I
understand.
Change
is
hard.
I
A
I
Used
to
live
in
east
lake
for
20
years
believe
me.
I
know.
B
I
D
D
H
I
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
You
know
I'll
start
by
saying
I
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
you're
saying.
Thank
you.
I
used
to
work
in
real
estate.
H
Development
from
one
of
the
largest
owner
operator,
shopping
malls
and
and
mixed
uses
is
where
it's
at
so
so
in
terms
of
the
the
idea
of
where
you
want
to
go,
I
don't
see
oldsmar
as
saying
no
to
that
as
much
as
I
see
what
what
I'm
seeing
is
that
they're
saying
no
to
the
zoning
without
a
plan,
so
when,
when
at
the
beginning
of
your
deck,
you
said
that
you
can't
provide
a
plan,
can
you
elaborate
as
to
why
you
can't
provide
a
plan.
I
We
can't
provide
a
plan
because
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future.
I
can
go
through
my
passion
plea
of
a
new
realm
life
we're
all
living.
We
have
been
to
a
restaurant
in
three
months.
Quite
frankly,
this
is
the
second
public
hearing.
I've
had,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
months
yeah,
no
so
those
elements
take
us
outside
of
what
has
been
typical
thinking
on
development.
H
So
when
obviously,
you've
been
collaborating
because
you've
said
you've
been
collaborating,
I
had
a
lot
of
good
conversations
with
with
this
with
the
city
on
on
where,
where
you
want
to
go
with
this
plan,
but
yet.
B
H
Came
with
this
proposal,
I
assume,
knowing
that
they
were
not
going
to
be
in
favor
of
it.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
That's
absolutely
correct.
Okay,
so
the
first
thing
that
pops,
to
my
mind,
is
if
you,
if
you're,
already
collaborating
with
the
city,
and
yet
you
know
you're
going
forward
with
something
that
the
city
is
telling
you
that
they're
not
in
favor
of
then
how?
How
do
we
make
this
move
forward?
Because
right
now
it's
hard
to
and
you
and
you
said
it,
okay,
so
one
of
my
favorite
things
is
plan.
H
Your
work
work,
your
plan,
you
plan
your
work
and
you
have
something
you
can
work
off
now.
The
city
gave
you
a
plan
that
they
spent
a
lot
of
money
on.
Is
it
possible
that
you
can
parse
out
that
plan
and
say:
okay,
the
conceptually?
This
is
what
we
would
like
to
do
with
the
the
site.
This
is
how
we
would
like
to
do
it
and
and
work
that
without
going
to
the
drawing
board
and
spending
a
lot
of
money
doing
this
from
scratch,
but
saying
okay,
this
is
what
the
city
said
they
want.
H
I
I
It
is
a
graphic
and
has
very
specific
directions
as
to
what
should
go
there.
So
let
me
clear
that
up
first
of
all,
okay,
second
of
all,
michelle
marie
I
I've
worked
with
me
for
25
years.
Michelle
felicia
knew
we
worked.
So
we
work
closely
on
this.
I
said
at
the
beginning.
I
I
don't
think
we're
really
that
far
apart
really,
if
we
came
forward
with
a
plan,
I
think
they'd
be
pretty
much
on
board
and
then
we'd
have
to
talk
about
the
text.
Amendments,
that's
pretty
much
it
from
what
I
can
see
and
they're
great
to
work
with
the
right
relationship.
It's
just
that
we
different
on
a
couple
points
that
made
them
veer
way
far
off.
That's
because
of
many
things
that
I
said
tonight,
I'm
not
going
to
be
dead
horse,
I'm
not
going
to
take
more
of
your
time.
I
I
I
think
that
helps
us
move
forward,
but
the
direct
answer
is,
we
knew
we
couldn't
get
staff
on
board.
We
knew
we
had
two
venues.
We
had
this
planning
board,
which
is
very
important.
That's
why
I
keep
harping,
give
us
what
you
can.
I
heard
the
comments
before
I
got
up
and
then
we
have
a
venue
before
city
council.
It's
different
ballparks,
as
you
know,
from
dublin,
you
go
from
one
group
to
the
next
and
it's
a
different
ballgame
different
thought.
So
I
don't
know
where
you
will
be.
I
H
The
only
thing
I'll
say
is
that
you
know
we
take
staff's
recommendations
seriously
when
we
don't
feel
like
we
have
enough
information
which
I
can't
speak
for
the
everyone.
I
can
only
speak
for
myself.
It's
hard
for
me
to
deviate
from
that.
I
do
feel
mixed
use
is
the
right
answer,
but
I
don't
know
that
this.
H
I
don't
know
that
we
can
really
deviate
from
what
I
I
personally
have
would
struggle
to
deviate
from
what
staff
is
recommending,
because
they
can't
plan.
If
they
don't
know
what
your
plan
is
and
like.
Quite
frankly,
it
seems
like
a
you
know,
it
feels
like
a
stalemate,
but
yet,
if
you're
close,
then
there
has
to
be
another,
there
has
to
be
a
better
way
to
get
there.
I
You
have
a
fine
zoning
code,
we've
just
chosen
to
use
the
option
of
euclidean
districts,
you're
not
required
to
do
a
master
plan.
I
I
understand,
but
you
have
zoning
districts,
you
have
an
option
to
use,
one
of
the
other.
We
chose.
We
were
forced
to
choose
the
districts.
I
I
won't
believe
in
the
point-
and
I
appreciate
you.
H
And
all
I'll
say
to
that
is
that,
if,
if,
if
staff,
if
staff
in
the
city
had
said
okay,
that
they
can
work
with
that-
and
this
is
how
they
would
work
with
that
if
they
were
able
to
draft
up
something
that
said
hey,
you
know
based
on
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
owners
and
operators
and
the
planners
of
you
know
the
the
site
we
feel
like.
We
should
be
able
to
get
to
where
they
need
and
where
we
need.
If
we
do
this,
then
that
would
help.
I
I
would
say
the
other
side
of
the
story:
is
the
business
community
and
getting
this
property
moving
ahead
in
a
very
difficult
time?
That
is
the
balance,
and
it
is
critical
because
I'll
remind
you
again,
this
flea
market
was
just
about
done
and
what
we
would
have
had
in
his
place,
and
that
can
happen
again.
We're
not
through
this
thing.
For
a
long
time.
H
A
B
I
C
Thank
you,
sir.
No,
I
I
tend
to
agree
I've
my
time
on
the
board
here
is
kind
of
short,
but
I've
never
seen
the
staff
not
supportive
when
something
comes
forward,
which
is
why
I
said
why.
Why
are
we?
You
know
looking
at
all
of
this
when
the
staff
didn't
support
it?
It's
too
bad.
C
C
This
but
I
can
see
your
limitations
being
a
business
model
and
and
particularly
in
this
economic
climate
I
mean-
god
only
knows
what's
gonna
I
mean
november.
Third,
is
everything
could
blow
me?
You
know
I
mean
who
knows
what's
going
to
happen,
but
it's
it's.
I
can
understand
the
concern
I
mean
if
we
do
it
for
here,
we've
we've
got
to
say
we're,
okay
to
do
it
in
the
entire
city
of
oldsmar.
C
I
I
A
comment:
no
I'm
just
making
a
comment.
This
is
a
one-of-a-kind
property,
so
it
needs
a
kind
of
help.
I
C
J
Know
I
I
got
to
tell
you,
you
know
it's
it's
exciting
times
you
got
downtown
going.
You
have
the
opportunity
here,
but
I
just
think
it
puts
too
much
of
the
other
ror
districts
at
risk
of
abusing
the
height
requirements
and
that
impact
worries
me
more
than
the
impact
of
new
development
on
in
at
the
flea
market.
I
B
A
A
No
worries
you'll
be
back
up
to
the
answerable
questions.
Brenda
here
you
wanna
come
up
and
give
us
your
idea.
What's
going
on
here,
what
come
on
brenda?
Have
you
been.
F
Sworn
in
just
give
us
your
name
and
address.
Please.
My
name
is
brenda
hatfield
chanakis.
I
reside
at
3614
old
village
way,
oldsmar
florida,
three,
four,
six,
seven,
seven,
I'm
a
bit
nervous.
So
if
my
voice
is
shaky,
please
bear
with
me
and
nothing
like
being
thrown
in
the
firing
pan
right.
F
You
mixed
emotions,
I
love
my
old
smart
and
that's
what
I've
called
it
since
I
moved
here
in
1998..
F
Yes,
something
needs
done
with
the
flea
market.
You're
asking
me
this
right,
I'm
not
going
on
about
your.
A
F
Just
kind
of
agree
with
what
everybody's
been
saying,
I
mean
help
me
understand
why
you
can't
say
at
least
we
want
20
to
be
a
high-rise
residence
condominiums.
Ten
percent
to
be
you
know,
apartments,
hotels,
a
certain
percent
to
be
businesses
and
bring
in
the
other
250
that
are
already
there
at
the
flea
market.
I
you
know
just
unanswered
questions,
but
I
am
not
the
end
all
to
be
all
don't
know
all
the
logistics
and
it
just
yeah
just
a
lot
of
things
to
take
into
factor
and
not.
F
B
Name,
an
address
or
pardon
me:
do
you
want
name
and
address.
B
B
I
agree
with
mr
harvey
here
that
the
flea
market
does
need
updating
and
renovation,
but
I
feel
like
this
might
be
too
much
part
of
the
charm
of
oldsmar,
where
I've
lived
for
more
than
half
of
my
life.
Is
that
it's
kind
of
rustic
and
small?
It's
not
really
the
best
word.
B
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
really
all
I
have
to
say
you're
good.
You
feel
comfortable.
K
I
agree
with
most
of
what's
been
said
here
that
we
should
do
something
with
that
flea
market
to
make
it
a
more
appealing
in
the
city
of
baltimore,
but
we
need
planning
it
has
to
be
planned
out,
and
this
picture
I
like
this
picture,
but
apparently
this
isn't
a
set
in
stone
plan.
So
that's
where
my
concern
is,
as
many
of
you
have
said,
there's
there's
no
plan
and
I'm
a
trial
attorney
in
city
of
tampa
and
fight
against
the
insurance
fraud.
K
So
I
do
have
a
lot
of,
I
think,
skill
and
discernment
and
strategy
and
planning,
and
so
what
I
see
here
is
just
they
want
to
change
the
ordinance
completely.
The
zoning
and
like
like
you've
brought
up
that
applies
everywhere,
not
just
to
this
area.
So
my
first
thought
was
a
litigation
strategy
is
when
the
other
side
asks
for
something
way
over
the
top.
So
when
you
negotiate
it
down,
you
think
you're,
you're,
you're
again
somewhere
in
the
middle,
but
they're
still
getting
more
than
they
want.
So
that's
that's.
K
What
comes
to
my
mind
is
if,
if
that's
something
that's
going
on
here
and
but
I've
been
in
baltimore
20
years,
I
bought
my
first
house
here
and
I
plan
to
stay
here.
I'm
not
going
anywhere.
So
I
want
to
see
the
city
develop,
but
I
want
to
see
it
develop
organized
in
in
a
nice
way,
and
so
so
I'd
like
to
see
a
plan
myself,
not
just
saying
let
me
let
me
have
at
it
and
you'll
like
it
just
because
I
say
so.
That's
my
thoughts
on
this.
K
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Now
I
asked
you
three
your
opinions,
because
you're
applying
to
be
on
the
board
in
one
way
or
another,
and
I
thought
it'd
be
a
good
idea
to
have
you
come
up
and
give
us
an
example
of
what
you
what
you're
like
or
what
you
think
like
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
Thank
you
very
much
all
three
of
you
for
coming
up
to
talk.
B
A
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
for
you
too,
and
first
of
all,
did
you
hear
what
the
other
three
people
had
to
say
that
came
up
to
the
podium
yeah?
They
made
some
good
comments
yesterday,
any
response
to
any
of
those.
I
I
I
I
know
it's
a
big
leap,
but
really
in
response
we
worked
and
worked.
I'm
not
going
to
be
the
debt
horseman's
chairman
and
taken
I've
taken
a
lot
of
your
time.
We
worked
as
best
as
we
could
with
the
staff
to
do
the
best
that
we
could.
If
we
made
it.
If
we
wrote
up
a
plan,
it's
going
to
be
stale
in
a
month
and
it's
going
to
be
absolutely
a
month
and
a
half.
That's
all
there
is
to
it
that's
the
best
answer
I
can
give
you:
how
do
we
move
forward?
I
A
I
I
How
big
we
don't
know
will
people
want
to
be
moving
into
apartments
and
condos?
We
don't
know
how
many
restaurants,
restaurants
are
failing.
We
don't
know.
If
there's
going
to
be
restaurants,
we
know
a
flea
market's
been
doing
well,
that
that
will
be
a
part
of
it.
All
you
have
to
do
is
ask
yourself
how
businesses
that
you
frequent
are
doing.
I
A
I
No,
I
may
have
misspoke
one
of
the
departments.
Their
stores
has
closed.
I
believe
was
jcpenney
neiman
marcus
filed
for
bankruptcy,
macy's
is
on
their
last
breath.
We
don't
know.
What's
going
to
happen,
we
can't
devise
a
plan.
If
we
don't
know,
if
we
don't
have
a
goal,
we
don't
have
a.
If
we
ought
to
go,
we
don't
have
a
vision
of
what's
going
to
be
in
the
future.
I
We
can't
make
a
plan,
I'm
going
to
say
to
you,
ms
chairman,
if
we
could
sit
down
and
draw
up
a
plan
that
would
be
fantastic,
we'd
love
to
do
it.
It's
just
spinning
our
wheels,
spinning
your
wheels
we'd
be
back
here
and
back
here
and
back
here
and
back
here,
making
change,
shane
shane
having
to
work
through
the
staff
and
deals
get
done.
I
Well,
we
hired
robert
because
one
of
the
main
concerns
of
the
city
was
providing
infrastructure
water
sewer.
So
we
worked
on
that
for
a
few
months
and
again,
my
answer
was
that
we
agreed
to
an
impact
assessment
statement
which
was
worked
out.
Robert
worked
that
out,
it
was
a
very
big
report
and
we
did
again
worst
case
scenarios,
so
we
met
the
standard
or
at
least
the
direction.
What
the
city
asked
us
to
do.
H
I
The
only
thing
that
those
studies
refer
to
was
capacities
of
providing
utilities,
water
sewer
electrical
power.
All
those
elements
at
the
most
intense
capacity,
so
is
an
unreal
made
up
report
as
if
our
gas
is
as
if
our
pedal
was
on
the
gas
going
150
miles
an
hour
which
isn't
the
case.
But
that's
how
we
addressed
having
to
do
available
agreement.
J
J
What
we
were
asked
to
do
was
an
impact
assessment.
We
looked
at
traffic,
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewer,
and
what
we
do
is
we
look
at
the
first
case
under
the
existing
land
use
and
zoning
and
the
worst
case
under
the
proposed
land
using
zoning
and
I'm
a
numbers
guy.
I
put
that
together,
so
that
staff
could
look
at
the
numbers
and
see
the
comparisons
and
just
a
case
in
point
right
now,
under
the
existing
zoning
on
this.
J
J
You
could
do
one.
You
could
do
an
infinite
number
of
combinations,
as
as
you
know,
but
we
took
a
look
at
it
as
if
it
was
all
shopping
center
and
if
it
was
all
shopping
center,
you
could
do
just
under
144
000
square
feet
of
shopping
center
shopping
center
has
a
higher
impact
in
traffic
than
than
office.
So
we
put
the
we
put
that
number
for
traffic
in
our
in
our
analysis,
or
you
could
do
up
to
144
apartments
or
condos,
because
at
24
units
per
acre
times,
six
is
144..
J
Now
that
would
have
only
63
peak
hour,
trips
783
daily,
so
it's
actually
less
than
the
office
when
it
comes
to
a
traffic
perspective,
and
then
you
could
do
at
30
hotel
rooms
per
acre.
Six
acres
would
be
a
180
room
hotel
and
that
would
have
a
very
similar
impact
to
the
office
actually
at
a
lower
peak
hour
traffic
impact
than
the
office
of
what
you
could
do,
and
we
did
that
for
water,
and
we
did
that
for
sewer
the
the
problem
arises
in.
H
A
J
Use
the
proposed
we
use
what
we
would
like
to
go
to.
Okay,
we
compared
the
existing
zoning
for
the
six
acres,
the
m1,
what
you
could
do
there
now
under
m1,
and
then
we
compared
it
against
what
you
could
do
on
those
six
acres.
If
we
got
the
ror
with
the
0.55
floor
area
ratio
text,
amendment
height
doesn't
really
matter.
A
A
A
I
I'll
keep
it
real
short.
I
want
to
respond
to
one
comment
that
you
made
go
ahead
about
saint
pete.
I
mentioned
saint
pete
and
his
other
areas
that
oldsmar's
not
like
that.
We're
critically
aware
of
that.
The
only
point
I
was
making
is
that
each
one
of
these
successful
areas
has
a
component
of
residential.
I
Sometimes
it's
village-
sometimes
it's
smaller,
sometimes
it's
bigger,
but
I
want
to
press
press
upon
the
point
that
the
zoning
categories
right
now
do
not
allow
residential
at
the
flea
market.
That's
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
these
changes.
Thank
you.
You've
really
been
generous
with
the
time,
and
I
appreciate
it.
Thank.
G
G
So,
just
to
reiterate,
I
think
what
michelle
had
had
spoke
about
before
is
we've
been
we've
been
meeting
with
the
applicant
over
the
last
year,
or
so
since
grady
pridgen
purchased
the
property
and
mr
pridgeon,
you
know,
came
in
with
some
initial
kind
of
concept.
Designs
of
the
disney
springs,
looking
thing
that
he
shared
with
the
chamber,
and
we
suggested
early
on
that
the
zoning
district
that
would
allow
us
some
flexibility.
G
So
we
suggested
that
that
would
be
the
the
proper
zoning
district
to
place
his
vision
of
what
we
can
see
since,
since
his
conversations
we've
heard
other
more
retail-like
and
some
of
these
photos
that
weren't
really
included,
we
were
never
given
a
formal
submission
of
a
plan,
so
you
know
we
still
would
like
to
see
a
formal
submission
of
a
plan
and
a
mixed-use
pud
to
give
that
to
give
the
developer
the
flexibility
so
that
we
can
work
with
different
uses
and
height
variances
and
all
those
things
can
be
taken
care
of
through
a
development
agreement.
B
H
It
it's
very
difficult,
because
what
moves
people,
what
makes
people
excited
about
sites
like
like
the
site
that
that
we're
talking
about
is,
is
a
plan
of
vision
and
when
you
take
that
away
from
the
equation
you
get
down
to
to,
you
know
all
the
the
red
tape
that
makes
our
packet.
H
H
H
A
J
Yeah
yeah,
I
reflect
on
john's
comments
there.
It's
if
you
don't
have
a
plan.
How
do
you
know
what
you
need
and
that's
my
biggest
challenge
with
this
is
how
do
you
know
you
need
to
extend
all
this
to
point
nine
and
all
this
stuff
without
having
a
plan
without
knowing
what
you're
going
to
put
there?
I
understand
the
challenges
and
covet
times
and
everything
else.
Nobody
knows
what's
going
to
go
in
there.
I
understand
that,
but
there
has
to
be
some
concept.
J
A
C
C
With
limited
capacity
and
limited.
You
know,
restrictions
but
yeah.
I
I
it's
pretty
hard
to
say
you
know
it's
like
writing
a
blank
check
and
and
say
you
know,
you've
got
a
million
dollars,
but
don't
do
this
and
don't
do
this
and
don't
do
this,
but
we're
giving
you
carte
blanche
approval
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
that's
a
little
uncomfortable.
I
think
do.
Am
I
understanding
it
correctly?
Don't
you?
Oh
all
right.
Okay,
I'm
new!
So.
F
F
You
get
rid
of
that
entirely,
especially
if
it
applies
to
all
of
the
other
properties.
With
that
designation.
A
couple
of
them
we've
had
some
conversation
about
adding
writers
and
this,
and
that
I
know
that
I
know
that
our
our
city
sometimes
gets
a
bad
rap
from
people
wanting
to
develop
here,
but
I'm
for
one
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
this
and
the
process.
F
Because
that's
why
I'm
on
the
planning
advisory
committee-
because
I
I
care
what
gets
built
here
and
if
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
be
built,
I
just
don't
think
I
can
comfortably
agree
to
zoning
changes
and
these
other
things
cool,
good.
A
So
when
he
said
village
that
kind
of
struck
a
chord
with
me
as
well
as
anybody
know
where
winter
park
is
over
by
orlando,
they
have
a
little
area:
shopping
area,
they're
called
winter
park,
village
nothing's
over
a
story
tall
except
for
a
couple
of
buildings
that
are
two
stories
all
that
would
meet
the
specifications.
A
A
Done,
I
think
so
well.
A
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
caution
the
board
that
we
have
to
make
all
of
our
movements
in
the
positive
right
and
then
we
reflect
our
opinion
in
our
vote.
A
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
aware
of
that.
So
if
you
hear
a
movement
come
up
and
says
we
recommend
to
the
board
to
the
city
council
to
to
approve
this-
that's
in
the
positive,
but
you
would
vote
if
you're
against
that
you'll
vote
against
it.
If
you're
for
that,
you
vote
for
that.
Okay,
that's
that's
how
that
works
with
our
board?
B
A
H
H
A
F
A
A
D
C
A
C
A
D
I
yeah,
mr
chairman,
I
make
a
motion
that
we
recommend
approval
for
the
rezoning
of
luz
20-04
city
council.
F
D
Mr
chairman,
I
make
a
motion
that
we
recommend
the
rezoning.
We
recommend
the
rezoning
of
luz
20-05
to
city
council.
F
A
F
A
K
Like
I
said,
been
an
oldsmar
since
I
built
my
first
house
20
years
and
I've
gonna
stay
here
like
I've
seen
the
way
it's
growing.
I
like
the
way
it's
growing,
but
I'd
like
to
see
it
structured
and
organized
and
I
did
be
excited
to
be
a
just
part
of
it
in
some
way
and
so
yeah
I
saw
on
the
website
you
had
that
these
positions,
so
I
put
in
my
application
one
day
and
excited
to
get
a
email
to
come
interview.
D
H
K
I
felt
more
interested
in
drawing
this
because
I
I
I
drive
one.
I
got
my
wife
she,
she
I
married
her.
She
was
in
brandon
when
we
got
married
and
I
brought
her
to
oldsmar
and
drive
down
the
road,
and
I
go
oh
this
used
to
be
that
this
used
to
be
that
this
used
to
be
when
I
used
to
come
from
clearwater,
I
drive
down
saint
pete,
you
know
drive.
That
was
the
main
road.
You
know
tell
her
all
about
it.
D
D
A
F
Brenda,
yes,
join
the
board.
I
used
to
be
employed
at
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
was
very
involved
with
economic
development
and
ever
since
then
my
eyes
have
always
been
right
here
at
home
to
kind
of
watch
and
see
everything,
grow
and,
and
I've
been
been
in
the
audience
many
times
hiding
and
listening
and
growing.
B
F
B
C
B
B
F
A
A
Good,
thank
you
for
chipping
in
there
when
I
asked
you
to
come
up
and
talk
about
what
you
thought.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
You
have
any
thing
you'd
like
to
question
us
for.
A
D
D
D
F
B
F
B
C
B
I
actually
want
to
go
to
film
school
for
cinematic
gray,.
B
A
A
A
One
alternate,
even
though,
what's
her
name,
mcbride
left.
B
A
Okay,
so
what
do
I
do.
A
B
A
J
D
H
F
C
A
D
H
Waiting
two
years:
that's
all
right.