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E
I
call
to
order
the
planning
board
for
wednesday
may
12th.
If
you
everyone,
please
stand
for
the
pledge
allegiance.
E
E
Okay,
if
we
could
have
the
swear
in
of
anyone
wishing
to
speak
and
give
testimony
to
the
board
for
tonight,.
E
Okay,
do
we
have
any
citizen
comments
at
this
time?
Any
citizens
that
would
like
to
speak.
E
D
D
D
B
I
should
say
to
you
and
not
let
it
pass
because
folks
still
did
come
in
on
zoom
and
they
they
still
kept
up
with
what
was
going
on
when
we
had
stuff
going
on,
and
I
I
can
tell
you
as
a
city,
council,
surlands
or
city
staff,
we
recognize
that
the
way
that
we
get
things
done
that
I
think
a
lot
of
other
cities
are
not
as
productive
as
we
are,
is
a
direct
reflection
of
the
number
of
volunteers
that
we
have
to
make
it
happen.
It's
it's
our
secret
sauce.
B
You
know
I
have
the
privilege
of
talking
with
a
lot
of
the
other
mayors,
certainly
in
pinellas
county
we
meet
once
a
month,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there
are
only
a
couple
who
can
make
the
following
statement,
and
that
is
that
almost
every
single
one
of
our
boards
has
a
waiting
list
of
people
who
want
to
get
involved,
and
that
says
a
lot,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
make
a
point
of
coming
and
saying.
Thank
you
and
providing
you
with
your
annual
gift.
B
And
well,
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
assisted
in
passing
them
out.
I
had
a
little
hand
injury,
so
so
this
is
a
what
what's
the
correct
term
of
it.
B
B
So
it's
a
nice
set,
it's
something
different!
It's
got
the
logo
on
it
and,
like
I
said,
we
really
wanted
to
make
a
point
of
coming
and
saying.
Thank
you.
The
other
council
members
could
not
be
here
tonight
and
so,
like
I
said,
council
member
saraki's
here
and-
and
we
hope
you
enjoyed
a
little
bit
of
the
reception
and
and
thank
the
staff
for
putting
that
extra
effort
in
that
they
always
do.
But
we
appreciate
you
and
you're
you're
what
makes
the
city
go?
B
B
B
When
I
look
around
the
room-
and
I
let
me
just
ask
bob:
how
long
have
you
been
on
the
sport
31
years,
31
years?
Dale?
How
about
you?
I
don't
remember
okay,
but
you
know
I
I
could
go
go
on
and
on
and
there
are
folks
who've
served
for
a
really
long
time
and
it's
important,
I
mean
it's
really
important
and
all
of
our
boards
have
a
special
niche
that
that
they
get
experts
at.
But
I'm
going
to
tell
you.
The
planning
board
planning
board
is
one
of
those
boards.
It's
no
joke!
B
B
It's
tough
to
have
consistent
consistency,
and-
and
I
can
tell
you
as
a
council
member
and
mayor
who
receives
the
recommendations-
it
makes
our
job
up
there
easier.
We
may
not
always
agree.
I
understand
that
and
there
might
be
circumstances
in
which
we
don't
but
the.
But
the
point
is
it's
vetted,
at
least
when
it
comes
to
us
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
see
what
kind
of
comments
were
made.
B
I
love
that
the
meetings
are
streamed
now,
because
it's
easy
to
go
on
and-
and
just
you
know,
instead
of
kind
of
reading,
the
minutes
you
get
the
true
vibe
of
what's
going
on.
The
point
is
that
the
people
we
have
that
come
and
volunteer
who
stay
and
make
an
impact.
So
it's
a
privilege
for
me
tonight
to
present
a
recognition
with
special
appreciation.
B
F
C
B
D
E
We
have
our
next
agenda
item.
Is
the
selection
of
chair
for
2021.?
G
D
G
F
E
E
F
Good
evening
planning
board
members
tatiana
childress
city
of
ultimate
planning
and
development
director.
I
would
like
to
introduce
to
you
our
new
city,
planner,
elena
delgado.
She
will
be
presenting
this
presentation
to
you
tonight.
H
H
G
H
I
don't
share
okay
great,
so
the
city
of
oldsmar
had
joined
the
national
flood
insurance
program
or
nfip
in
1971
and
as
a
participating
community.
We
agreed
a
title
44
of
the
code
of
federal
regulations
which
specifies
minimum
requirements
for
structures
protection
under
the
nfip
when
fema
updates
these
maps
participating
communities
must
adopt
the
new
flood
rate
insurance
maps
or
firm
or
demonstrate
compliance
communities
that
exceed
the
certain
requirements,
rated
by
fema
through
the
community
rating
system
or
crs
and
receive
flood
insurance
discounts.
H
H
We
had
a
representative
from
the
florida
department
of
emergency
management
initiate
an
ordinance
review
for
our
compliance
to
see
where
the
city
was
standing
at
and
based
on
the
review.
Various
sections
of
our
current
flood
ordinance
must
be
revised
and
adopted
prior
to
that
final
six
months,
adoption
in
august
of
this
year,
not
adopting
these
new
standards
could
revert
the
city
to
a
class
10
rating
in
crs
or
the
entire
community
can
be
placed
on
probation.
H
H
One
foot
of
freeboard
for
manufactured
homes
to
meet
the
crs
class
8
prerequisite
requirements
include
previously
adopted
amendments.
The
florida
building
code,
in
section
6
of
the
city
of
oldsmar
code
of
ordinances,
modify
enclosures
below
the
dfe
of
elevated
dwellings
to
remove
299
square
feet,
enclosure
limitation,
allow
breakaway
walls
and
required
declarations
of
land
restriction,
apply,
ve
standards
to
coastal
a-zone
per
the
florida
building
code,
plus
no
backfilled
stem
walls
and
certain
amendments
related
to
stormwater
engineering.
I
know
that's
a
lot.
H
Accessory
structures
are
can
only
be
used
for
parking
or
limited
storage
and
they
must
be
wet
flood
proofed
and
include
flood
openings
or
flood
vents
to
protect
the
structure
from
hydrostatic
pressure,
the
portions
of
the
accessory
structure
located
below
the
bfe
must
be
constructed
with
flood
resistant
materials,
the
second
one
being
free
board
requirements
for
manufacturing
homes
as
part
of
requirement
for
that
css
or
crs
community
rating
system
to
be
a
class
8
or
better.
We
have
to
include
an
extra
foot
of
freeboard
for
pre-manufactured
homes.
H
H
H
For
our
fourth
element,
we
are
looking
at
modifying
enclosures
below
elevated
residential
dwellings,
part
a
we're
looking
to
remove
299
square
feet,
enclosure
limitation
from
the
florida
building
code,
section
r322.2.2
enclosures
below
the
a
fee.
The
benefits
of
this
is
that
it
clears
the
area
below
the
dfe
and
protects
the
structural
integrity
and
discourages
owners
from
converting
the
area
to
livable
space
or
storing
costly
or
hazardous
items.
Additionally,
we
can
get
100
crs
points
for
ae
or
up
to
150
points
for
coastal
a
when
breakaway
walls
are
not
permitted.
H
H
H
For
section
c,
we
are
looking
to
require
a
non-conversion
agreement
filed
with
the
deed,
with
three
options:
option
one
language
ensuring
that
we
have
to
inspect
it
once
per
year.
Another
option,
which
is
our
recommended
option
to
grant
the
right
to
inspect
as
needed
and
option
three
considering
language
that
does
not
mention
any
inspections.
H
For
our
fifth
one
we're
looking
to
apply
coastal
a
standards,
I'm
sorry
v
standards,
the
coastal,
a
zone,
new
maps
established
a
coastal,
a
zone
and
the
limit
to
moderate,
wave
action
or
lima,
which
delineates
the
cavs.
The
limwa
is
wave
heights
between
one
and
a
half
and
three
feet
during
a
base.
Flood
elevation
fbc
currently
requires
cad
buildings
constructed
in
the
ve
to
ve
standards.
H
As
you
can
see
in
the
middle
here,
the
kaz
is
any
area
that
has
a
wave
height
of
one
and
a
half
to
three
feet
during
a
storm
event,
and
this
is
just
an
example
of
different
foundation,
types
that
are
allowed
within
the
cavs.
There's
open
file,
open
foundation,
piles,
open
foundation,
columns
and
piers,
and
a
backfilled
stem
wall.
H
This
graphic
just
shows
you
that
the
kaz
and
oldsmar
would
result
in
a
seven
or
eight
foot.
Backfilled
stem
wall,
backfilled
semrawls,
designed
in
casa,
require
phil
per
the
florida
building
code
and
the
area
below
the
dfe
would
not
be
used
for
storage
access
or
parking.
It
is
just
not
practical
for
the
community.
H
Additionally,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
receive
500
crs
points
when
all
of
the
zone
v
requirements
are
enforced
in
the
coastal.
A
zone
and
partial
credit
is
not
available
based
on
the
six
edition
fbc,
because
the
exception's
permitting
backfilled
stem
walls
and
dry
flood
proofing
for
non-residential.
So
for
us
to
qualify
for
all
the
credits.
Our
community
must
adopt
local
technical
amendments
to
remove
backfilled
stem
walls
and
dry
floodproofing
for
non-residential,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
daniel
simpson.
J
J
We
want
to
clarify
the
detention
pond
fence
rules
and
adopt
pinellas
county's
stormwater
manual
by
reference
for
low
impact
development
sites
and
add
hydraulically
equivalent
pipe
as
an
approved
alternative.
So
first
the
fill
rule
changes
we
had
in
our.
I
believe
it
was
withdrawn
from
the
staff
report.
Two
changes
one.
We
need
some
more
time
to
look
at
from
a
crs
standpoint,
but
in
22
10
we
are
recommending
to
remove
some
of
the
out
of
date,
information
it
references
the
ng
vd,
which
now
we're
updating
with
navd.
J
J
J
J
This
would
give
us
the
ability
to
some
sites
to
maximize
their
site
better
often
times
our
we
have
in
our
code.
It's
a
four
to
one
side.
Slope
is
required,
so
four
foot
horizontal
for
one
foot
vertical
that
can
be
really
challenging
on
some
of
these
sites
behind
ace
hardware.
There's
there's
a
wall
pond
currently.
J
So
what
I'm
recommending
is
that
it?
The
code,
talk
about
wet
ponds
versus
detention
ponds,
because
many
of
our
ponds
are
dry
ponds,
so
by
code
a
dry
pond
is
supposed
to
recover
in
72
hours,
so
72
hours
after
rainfall,
it's
supposed
to
go
down
to
the
the
water
supposed
to
go
below
the
surface
of
the
pond.
J
So
therefore
there
isn't
a
drowning
risk
most
of
the
time.
Additionally,
we
would.
I
would
like
to
the
flexibility
to
permit
not
non-um
chain-link
fences
around
these
ponds,
so
we
had
what
kind
of
brought
this
up
was
tidal,
wave
the
car
wash
when
they
came
in.
Basically,
they
had
to
put
in
a
fence
around
their
pond
that
doesn't
have
water
in
it
most
the
time
next
to
a
creek
and
it
seemed
kind
of
ridiculous,
and
then
they
were
supposed
to
put
a
chain
link
fence
which
would
have
made
the
site
look
worse.
J
So
we
would
like
to
the
flexibility
to
permit
something
that
gives
us
the
safety
and
keeps
children
out
of
the
pond.
J
The
next
is
I'd
like
to
to
adopt
pinellas
county
stormwater
manual
by
reference
for
low-impact
development
items,
so
the
pinellas
county
is
basically
a
stormwater
manual
for
well.
It
has
all
sorts
of
things,
but
what
it?
What
I
wanted
to
focus
on
were
low
impact
development
items
which
would
be
like
a
chamber
vegetated
swales.
J
There
are
these
new,
innovative
stormwater
items
that
we
don't
really
have
a
way
to
permit
in
our
code,
and
they
are
often
asked
for-
and
I
kind
of
we
try
to
work
through
how
to
permit
it
so,
for
example,
a
chamber
system
under
a
parking
lot.
There
really
isn't
a
clear
way
to
permit
that
in
our
code,
but
that
will
give
us
the
ability
to
better
develop
sites
that
have
limited
stormwater.
J
So
the
the
recommendation
of
using
this
their
manual
is
to
have
a
criteria
so
that
when
people
come
in,
it's
not
just
the
city
engineer
doesn't
like
it,
but
like
this
is
how
what
you
need
to
do
and
how
to
make
how
to
maintain
them
and
so
forth.
J
J
J
So
if
we
can
get
an
elliptical
pipe
in
there,
it'll
help
give
you
more
flow
in
the
pipe,
so
not
more
flow,
but
a
better
keep
the
flow
line.
If
that
makes
sense,
I
think
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
her
and
but
I'll
be
available
for
any
questions.
J
What
hydraulically,
equivalent
means
is
like
the
same
flow,
can
go
through
the
pipe,
so
a
typical
pipe
circular,
so
15
inch
circular
pipe
well,
they
make
elliptical,
which
is
instead
of
round
as
oval
oval
and
that's
12
inches
deep
by
18
inches
wide.
So
a
12
inch
by
18
inch
is
the
same
as
a
15
inch
diameter
pipe.
J
G
Okay,
go
ahead,
you're,
an
engineer
not
me.
G
These
pipes
are
going
to
be
flowing
storm,
water
or
wastewater,
all
kinds
of
water,
the
elliptical
pipe.
Is
this
deep
and
the
other
pipe?
Is
this
the
is
this
going
to
increase
debris
stoppage,
I
guess
for
lack
of
better
words.
In
other
words,
it's
a
smaller
space
for
the
debris
that's
collected
by
the
storm
water
to
go
through
is
this?
Does
the
elliptical
pipe
cause
more
stoppage
problems?
I
guess
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say
or
or
am
I
totally
off
base.
J
Totally
off
base,
I
wanted
to
clarify
this
is
only
storm
water
pipes,
not
sanitary
or
potable
water.
It's
only
right.
G
J
No,
if
anything,
it
would
be
the
opposite
that
elliptical
would
be
better
to
stay
clean,
because
what
we
have
a
lot
of
times
is
almost
like
a
stair
step
situation,
where
you
have
this
pipe
here
this
pipe
here,
this
pipe
and
the
low
pipe's
going
to
be
full
of
water.
The
more
we
can
get
that
pipe
line
to
be
like
that,
where
it's
all
going
downhill,
the
better
it
won't.
J
G
They
stopped
up
all
the
time
and
they
have
to
send
people
out
all
the
time
to
clean
it
out
somewhere
because
it
runs
the
entire
length
of
tangerine
dry
and
I'm
closer
to
the
end
where
it
drains
in
so
most
of
it's.
Most
of
the
stoppages
are
back
up
here,
but
we
have
them
down
here
too,
so
that
it
backs
up
and
the
water
just
doesn't
go
anywhere.
You
know
it
just
doesn't
sit
anywhere.
So
I
might
my
worry
about
all
storm
water
drainage
is,
is
stop
it
or
whatever.
J
Well,
the
two
things
I
say
is
we
have
a
lot
of
non-code
compliant
pipe
throughout
the
town
and
as
throughout
the
city
as
permits
come
in.
We
are
correcting
that
you
know
and
we
are
working
to
correct
that
as
we
go
through,
but
there
is
a
the
minimum
pipe
size
is
15
inch.
So
if
you
have
less
than
15
inch,
it's
not
you.
G
It
happens
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
happen.
I
know
it's
going
to
continue
to
happen
because
it's
it
trash
gets
into
in
the
flood
waters.
That's
all
there
is
to
it
and
so,
and
you
know-
and
I
mean
like
the
last,
but
now
the
last
time
it
happened,
the
guys
came
out
and
they
told
me
somebody
had
thrown
a
two
before
down
in
there.
G
You
know
so
that
was
that
was
not
normal,
but
still
you
know
it
happened,
and
I
just
I
you
know
when
it
stops
up
and
backs
up.
It's
not
just
me,
I'm
talking
about
anywhere
and
everywhere,
I'm
I
just
I
I
want.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
water
runs
out
where
it's
supposed
to
go.
J
G
Okay,
okay,
especially
as
we
start
raining
here
in
a
couple
good
enough,
I
was
just
worried
about
the
difference
between
the
15
inch
pipe
being
that
big
in
a
elliptical
pipe
being
that
big-
and
you
know,
debris
would
be
more
likely
like,
in
other
words,
on
a
15
inch
pipe.
If
you
have
a
12
inch,
stick
it's
going
to
go
through,
but
if
you're
an
elliptical
pipe
and
you
have
a
12
inch,
stick
it's
going
to
stick.
It
needs
to
be
an
elliptical
stair.
That
makes
sense.
Yeah.
A
I
don't,
I
think
I
missed
last
year,
but
but
I
don't
know
why
you're
not
closing
that
in
and
you
know,
because
that
is
a
drowning
danger,
because
when
the
water
gets
high
and
that
comes
in
off
burbank
right
and
feeds
into
the
lafayette
big
ditch
which
is
protected
from
kids
playing
in
it.
But
if
a
kid
went
in
that,
ditch
he's
going
to
end
up
in
the
retention
pond
underground
and
that's
always
been
a
concern
of
mine.
Now
it
hasn't
happened
in
28
years.
A
I've
lived
here
but-
and
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
a
car
in
that
ditch,
but
I'm
not
watching
the
whole
time,
but
is
there
any
movement
for
this
protection
fencing
around
a
potential
water
hazard
on
the
state
street?
Ditch
particularly,
I
don't
know
how
many
other
ditches
there
are
in
town
that
are
near
roadways
and
residential
areas
like
the
state
street,
ditch
and
I'm
not
sure
you're
familiar
with
it.
J
J
I
mean
the
reality
with
drainage.
We
have
the
balancing
act
of
allowing
flow
but
safety.
Now
the
ponds
are
private
systems
generally
and
they're
on
private
property
and
the
water
is
getting
in
through
pipes.
So
it's
a
little
easier
to
control,
but
I
mean
the
reality
is
we
do
live
in
florida?
So
I
mean.
A
Standing
water
and
the
d.o.t
ditch
runs
down
from
the
d.o.t
pond,
that's
not
fenced
at
all,
but
it's
also
rarely
has
standing
water
and
that
also
goes
underground
under
lafayette.
So
that's
kind
of
a
danger
there
too,
but
I've
never
heard
of
anything
get
caught
in
that
the
the
other
question
I
had
was
the
stemwall
construction
is
no
longer
going
to
be
allowed.
F
The
stem
wall
construction
will
no
longer
be
allowed
in
coastal
a
if
we
wanted
to
take
the
advantage
of
500
points,
because
it's
not
practical
for
city
of
oldsmar.
The
stem
wall
construction,
where
the
existing
ground
is
maybe
at
nine
and
you're
bringing
it
up
to
twelve
three
foot
of
stem
wall
with
fill
is
acceptable,
but
a
stem
wall
where
the
elevation
of
the
ground
is
six
and
your
bfe
is
fourteen.
That's
a
seven
or
eight
stem
wall
that
will
have
to
be
backfilled
with
dirt
or
gravel
for
florida
building
code.
F
F
It's
important
to
mention
how
the
bfe
is
measured
in
coastal
a
so.
It's
measured
to
the
lowest
horizontal
member,
not
the
top
floor,
so
you
add
in
like
another
foot
in
there,
so
it's
just
because
it's
not
practical
for
oldsmer
and
you
already
have
to
by
following
florida
building
code.
You
already
have
to
meet
the
florida
building
code
for
v
standards.
F
This
is
only
one
provision
that
florida
building
code
allows
you
to
do
that
backfill
stem
wall,
but
since
this
is
already
in
the
building
code,
everybody
has
to
comply
with
all
the
other
v
standards.
We
can
take
up
to
500
points
from
the
crs
community
rating
system
for
which
we
get
the
insurance
discount.
Currently
it
may
even
put
us
in
another
class
on
a
discount
up
to
a
class
five
which
will
give
us
25
percent
on
the
insurance
discount
and
at
the
same
time
you
can
park.
F
J
D
So,
even
if
they
get
72
hours
to
drain
that's
three
days,
that's
three
days:
the
kids
and
having
been
one.
I
know
I'm
going
to
go
play
in
that.
Even
if
it's
raining
that's
three
days
that
somebody
can
drown,
is
there
a
possibility
of
of
maybe
putting
a
four
foot
fence
around
there
or
something?
I
know
right
now.
It's
like
six
foot.
J
My
recommendation,
more
than
anything,
was
based
on.
I
think
the
intent
of
the
code
originally
was
for
wet
pawns
because
it
uses
the
word
detention
and
not
retention
pre.
I
can't
really
it's
hard
to
explain
it,
but
a
detention
pond
is
where
water
comes
in,
is
detained
and
then
goes
out
and
a
retention
pond
would
be
where
water
comes
in
and
stops
and
most
of
our
ponds
are
detention
ponds.
J
The
problem
is,
it
would
depend
on
the
depth.
So
a
pond.
That's
two
three
feet:
foot
deep,
you
know
won't
ever
have
more
than
a
couple
of
feet
of
water
and
that's
actually
the
most
of
the
ponds
in
the
city.
So
if
you
take
a
place
like,
let's
say,
oldsmar
cares
where
there's
a
small
pond,
it
doesn't
get
very
deep.
You
know
it's
kind
of
in
my
mind,
a
little
silly
to
have
a
fence
around
a
small,
a
pond.
J
J
J
The
point
of
the
the
the
change
was
to
clarify
what
we're
doing
my
fear,
if
we
put
fences
everywhere,
is
having
a
fence
around
a
pond
with
one
or
two
feet
of
water
next,
to
a
ditch
that
the
kid
could
get
sucked
in
and
go
to
the
bay.
You
know
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
surrounded
by
water
so
and
and
also
having
a
chain-link
six-foot
fence
could
be
an
eyesore.
You
know,
so
I'm
trying
to
balance
those
things,
but
usually
I
mean.
D
D
D
J
That's
what
the
manual
is
for
so
like
right
now,
if
people
want
to
put
in
chambers
under
their
in
their
a
chamber,
is
like
a
perforated
pipe
right
that
has
storm
water
can
flow
through
or
amc
20
right
now
has
a
giant,
vault.
Okay,
there
really
isn't
a
way
in
the
code
to
permit
that.
J
So
in
the
stormwater
manual.
There's
each
alternative
type
of
stormwater
best
management
practice
is
what
they're
called
there's
a
criteria.
So
you
have
to
have
this
kind
of
pipe
and
two
feet
above
the
seasonal
high
water
table,
like
there's
the
point
of
the
changes
to
have
that
criteria
so
that
we
have
something
to
permit
these
things.
D
J
F
D
F
So
this
is
only
for
new
construction,
so
the
coastal,
a
standards,
v
standards
and
coastal
a
will
be
only
applicable
for
new
construction.
So
if
you're
coming
or
substantial
improvement
substantial
damage.
So
if
your
house
gets
damaged
below
50,
then
you
can
still
do
the
same
stem
wall
and
everything
else.
But
if
your
house
is
completely
destroyed
and
you
have
to
start
from
scratch
or
if
it's
over
50,
then
you
have
to
introduce
a
new
pile
new
foundation
system,
so
it'll
be
pilings
or
columns.
D
F
F
There
are
other
options
that
we
have
to
explore,
so
we
had
a
consultant
who
worked
on
our
crs
review
and
we
had
other
what
they
call
activities
where
we
can
gain
some
points
by
maybe
better
stormwater
management
system
or
by
maybe
looking
where
we
can
preserve
some
more
green
space.
So
as
our
area
becomes
greater
with
these
new
maps,
the
special
flood
hazard
area,
our
points
for
the
preservation
of
the
untouched
land
is
also
being
reduced,
because
it's
a
ratio
between
your
special
flight
hazard
area
to
your
preservation
area.
F
So
as
long
as
we
stay
as
long
as
we
maintain
class
six,
I
think
with
recertification,
that's
where
we
should
be
looking
at
if
we
get
to
the
next
to
class
five,
that's
even
better,
but
that
will
be
a
lot
of
work
on
our
part
to
see
where
those
points
could
be
gathered
from
other
activities
and
also
whether
or
not
they
will
be
approved
by
fema
representative
in
a
couple
of
years,
but
we're
preparing
for
it.
So.
F
I
was
born
and
raised
in
russia.
I
came
here
when
I
was
22
23.,
but
I've
been
here
for
about
18
years
now,
but
I
still
have
my
accent
so
and
it
comes
out
really
strong
when
I'm
nervous.
C
I
have
a
question
for
our
city
engineer,
please
so
something
that
you
said
earlier.
I
had
a
little
mark
here
already,
but
the
fill
route,
the
fill
rule
changes.
You
made
a
comment
about
flooding
into
the
neighbors.
J
C
J
J
That's
what
we
look
for,
how
is
it
getting
to
the
right
of
way,
often
times
they
to
use
swales
like
small,
shallow
depressions
that
carry
water
from
your
sight
off,
obviously
not
everything's
perfect.
So
there
may
have
been
a
mistake
or
what
you
know.
I
I
can't
speak
to
your
specific
issue,
but
when
you
take
and
fill
up
a
site-
and
this
site's
up
here
and
this
site's
down
here,
water
always
goes
downhill.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
always.
C
Obviously
it
just
I'm
very
concerned
of
protecting
people
with
existing
homes
as
more
and
more
new
construction
goes
in
abiding
by
these
new
rules,
and
and
if
it's
you
know
three
properties
around
this
one
house
were
affected
and
that
they
came
to
a
council
meeting.
Actually
in
the
city
told
them
there
was
nothing
they
could
do.
C
All
of
their
properties
were
damaged.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
problems
came
from
the
way
this
new
construction
went
in.
So
I
don't,
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
protocols
are
in
place
for,
as
we
start
rolling
this
out
more
and
more
because,
as
more
of
the
older
homes
come
down
and
they're
building
these
new
constructions,
I
just
I
I
fear
that
we're
going
to
see
more
and
more
existing
homes
that
are
affected
by
it
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
been
even
clearly
communicated.
C
C
Had
that
person
behind
me
been
following
the
same
guidance,
they
would
not
have
elevated
their
home
as
as
high
plus
they
have
a
completely
enclosed
lower
level.
So
I'm
I'm
thinking
you
know,
rules
and
standards
are
fine.
It's
just
you
know.
We
need
to
look
at
the
big
picture
and
how
it's
going
to
be
communicated
enforced
with
this
drainage,
the
water
to
waterway
the
swales.
C
C
This
is
why
I
got
on
the
planning
board
is
because
of
wow
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
development
here,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
in
a
very
cautious
and
a
very
transparent
way
where
people
with
new
homes
and
people
that
have
existing
homes
can
be
neighbors
without
all
these
issues
that
arose
on
my
block.
J
Again,
not
knowing
your
specific
situation,
the
fema
maps,
changing.
We
really
can't
do
anything
about
so
the
fact
that
people
are
going
to
have
to
be
multiple
feet
higher.
We
we
can't
really
stop
that,
so
the
nature
of
that
is
going
to
be
a
house
higher
than
another
house.
The
house
itself
in
the
coastal,
a
zones
as
we
were
talking
about
one
of
the
changes
is
the
not
allowing
fill
within
the
house.
You
know
so
it's
that's.
That's
one
of
the
changes
we're
recommending
is
to
help
with
exactly
the
type
of
situation
you're
talking.
F
Actually,
I
can
maybe
this
so
on
page
figure,
three
in
the
report,
so
you
have
what's
called
slab
on
fill
foundation,
so
these
types
of
foundations
are
no
longer
allowed
in
all
time.
So
we
it's
hidden
here
but
in
the
report
itself
in
a
staff
reported
selfie
housing.
Three.
F
F
If
you
look
at
the
screen,
you'll
see
that
this
type
of
foundation
is
no
longer
permitted
in
oldsmar.
It
hasn't
been,
since-
probably
I
don't
know
for
sure,
since
90s
or
2000,
you've
seen
some
older
homes
where
you
have
like
a
pile
of
fill,
and
then
your
house
will
be
elevated
on
that
pile
of
dirt.
F
So
this
is
no
longer
allowed
and
we've
been
enforcing
this
for
new
construction,
where
you
cannot
use,
fill
and
then
put
your
house
on
it,
you
can
only
use
minimum
fill
for
landscaping
and
to
provide
positive
drainage
as
daniel
described,
which
will
put
you
in
the
perimeter
wall
cross
crawl
space
and
these
type
of
foundations
that
you
see
in
the
crawl
space
they're
still
going
to
be
allowed
in
your
ae
zone.
It's
just
the
coastal
v
and
coastal
a
zone.
F
If
you
look
on
your
maps,
the
area
just
along
shore
drive
that's
the
area
that's
being
affected
by
the
coastal.
A
if
you
look
at
some
of
these
newer
homes.
You'll
see
that
the
garage
is
at
level
and
only
the
stem
wall
around
it.
That's
what's
elevated
but
the
ground
itself
we're
not
allowing
fill
on
the
ground,
so
you
won't
be
in
a
situation
where
it's
a
slab
on
fill,
and
this
is
being
checked
on
one
by
one
scenario
when
they
go
through
the
permitting.
C
C
Question
than
than
what
you're
here
to
discuss
today,
I
just
I
I'm
very
concerned
about
how
how
these
new
constructions
are
are
being.
I
guess,
permitted
as
they
go
through
each
step,
to
make
sure
that
they're
they
aren't
creating
situations
that
cause
issues
for
neighboring
properties.
F
So
we're
talking
about
residential,
we'll
have
to
separate
them
residential
and
commercial
in
two
different
types.
So
any
residential
permit
does
not
require
an
engineering
plan
for
grading
currently
by
code,
only
the
site
plans.
They
require
the
engineering
drawings
to
demonstrate
how
they're
capturing
all
the
stone
water
and
putting
it
in
the
retention
pond
or
detention
pond
so
for
residential
we're
enforcing
it
at
a
review,
a
local
review
and
we're
reviewing
it
in
compliance
with
our
local
technical
amendments
which
do
not
allow
fill.
So
you
won't
be
in
the
situation
of
a
slab
on
fill.
I
F
Yes,
so
it
some
of
these
accessory
structures,
they
ended
up
being
800
square
feet.
They
ended
up
being
thousand
square
feet,
so
fema
put
a
limitation
and
there's
no
particular
square
footage,
but
the
dm
representative
recommended
to
make
it
to
600,
which
is
about
the
square
footage
required
for
a
two-car
garage,
detached
car
garage
and
that's
what
fema
is
recommending
so
to
limit
the
and
that's
the
higher
limit.
F
F
House
as
long
as
it's
part
of
the
main
house,
so
this
is
just
accessory
structures.
Yes,.
I
F
So
if
an
in-law
suite
is
attached
to
the
house
and
those
type
of
constructions
are
only
allowed
within
our
community
redevelopment
district,
they
would
not
have
limitation
as
far
as
how
big
you
can
make
it.
They
will
have
a
limitation
on
the
lot
coverage,
so
you
won't
be
able
to
exceed
the
50
of
the
lot
coverage.
But
if
that's
a
standalone
structure,
then
it
will
be
limited
to
well
the
mother-in-law
suite
it's
not
exactly
an
accessory
structure
in
this
area.
That
would
be
a
accessory
dwelling
unit.
F
I
That
helps
thank
you,
and
can
you
help
explain
like
the
the
way
the
points
work,
so
I
know
that
the
recommended
the
the
recommended
one
is
b
the
grant
the
right
to
inspect
enclosed
area.
Any
time
versus
like
90
points
would
be
inspect
once
a
year
versus
30
points
like.
But
how
does
how
do
the
points
work
within
this
cities?
F
F
We
understand
that
30
points
when
we
just
don't
mention
any
kind
of
inspections
is
probably
where
our
community
could
you
know
it's
there,
but
it
doesn't
really
give
us
the
crs
points
and
we
can't
really
inspect
it.
F
So
we
thought
that
that
would
be
really
not
suitable
for
our
community
and
then
the
option
b
with
the
660
points,
we're
still
getting
serious
points,
we're
still
giving
the
community
kind
of
like
heads
up.
We
can
inspect
it
if
we
see
something
suspicious.
F
So
if
we
see
that
that
enclosure
below
bfe
may
have
turned
into
a
mother-in-law
suite
or
somebody
is
leaving
behind
below
the
bfe
and
they
put
a
bathroom
or
something
because
you've
seen
it
before
that
gives
us
the
community
a
right
to
go
and
inspect
it
right
there
and
then
that's
why
we're
thinking
the
60
is
the
best
option,
and
this
is
something
that
syria,
the
pinellas
county,
I
think,
is
also
doing
so.
We're
trying
to
match
them
as.
I
F
So
that
would
fall
under
the
building
code,
florida
building
code,
I'm
not
sure
if
those
standalone
showers
just
to
rinse
off
like
it's,
your
like
water,
hose,
I'm
not
sure,
but
we're
talking
about
the
fully
functional
bathrooms
below
bfes.
Those
will
not
be
they're
not
allowed
today
and
they
will
not
be
allowed.
Tomorrow
I
mean
with
the
new
ordinance.
F
F
Crs
is
fema's
rated
us.
So
if
you're
doing
the
non-conversion
agreement,
which
is
recorded
with
your
deed
at
the
time
of
the
construction
and
you're
telling
us
that
you'll
never
convert
that
area
below
bfe
into
the
livable
habitable
space,
fema
is
going
to
give
us
60
points
if
we're
inspected
once
or
if
we
tell
it
that
we
will
inspect
it,
we
have
a
right
to
inspect.
If
we
don't
do
anything,
they
don't
give
us
any
other
points,
and
since
we
accumulate
all
these
points,
these
activities
come
from
different
sections
of
their
crs
manual.
F
We
accumulated
about
21
40,
almost
like
2200
points
for
that
point,
for
the
number
of
points
that
we
received
were
class
six.
So
if
we
receive
more
points
for
doing
more
than
what's
minimum
required
by
by
fema,
then
we
can
get
into
class
5..
What
that
class
gives.
You,
then,
is
the
discount
on
the
flood
insurance,
so
class
6
gives
you
20
discount
within
special
flood
hazard
area
and
10
discount
in
what
they
call
shaded
x.
F
The
area
adjacent
to
the
flood
zone
class
5
will
give
you
25
percent
on
your
flood
insurance
and,
as
it
goes,
lower
yeah.
F
So
we're
looking.
If
we're
doing
this
chaos
of
the
coastal
a
zone
standards
which
is
already
sort
of
there.
F
F
F
That's
just
to
be
in
that
same
area
and
be
able
to
still
buy
the
flood
insurance
that's
offered
by
nfip.
To
do
more.
You
can
obviously
limit
that
to
maybe
200
enclosure,
and
you
can
get
maybe
points
for
that,
so
we're
not
doing
it.
Currently.
That
was
not
proposed,
but
I'm
just
giving
it
as
an
example.
So
what
would
be
that
additional
and
the
same
with
the
one
photo
free
board
for
manufacturing
homes?
F
That's
a
prerequisite
for
class
eight,
so
each
class
of
crs
classes
they
have
the
minimum
required
and
then
the
minimum
required
for
that
particular
class.
So
to
be
class,
8
or
higher.
You
have
to
have
that
free
board
for
manufacturing
homes.
If
you
don't
have
it
you
automatically,
although
you're
doing
all
beyond
with
other
activities,
you
will
be
placed
on
class
eight.
F
I
And
then,
how
did?
How
did
the
breakaway
walls
apply?
To
is
that
is
that,
for
the
the
lower
space
like,
if
you
want
to
enclose
it
like
a
garage,
is
that
is
that
so.
F
The
breakaway
walls
we
had
some,
we
have
some
homes,
some
builders,
that
really
wanted
to
enclose
that
area
for
privacy,
for
their
cars
to
store,
because
the
area
below
the
bfe
is
used
for
access,
storage
and
parking
current
ordinance,
the
ordinance
2015-16
that
was
adopted
in
2016
prohibit.
So
we
did
not
allow
any
breakaway
wall.
So
we
only
allowed
screen
enclosure
or
lettuce
so
screen
enclosure
is.
F
It
was
the
breakaway
walls,
they
would
provide
basically
privacy
for
the
homeowners
and
since
this
area
increased
tremendously
in
size
before
we
had
just
pockets
ov
zone
now
the
entire
shore
is
going
to
be
v,
so
you
will
have
if
we
keep.
In
addition,
the
299
enclosure
and
breakaway
walls
kind
of
like
go
hand
in
hand.
So
in
order
to
get
one
you
have
to
have
the
other,
so
you
can't
have
the
299
limitation
enclosure
without
the
breakaway
wall
so
because
they
consider
the
breakaway
walls
to
be
permanent
enclosure
as
well.
F
F
F
I
Can
you
help
me
just
clarify
what
the
lean
wall
stands
for.
F
So
this
graphic
here
it
shows
what
the
limit
to
moderate
wave
action
is:
it's
basically
your
a
zone,
but
that's
the
zone
between
your
v,
the
the
the
velocity,
the
high
velocity
zone
and
the
area
where
the
waves
could
reach
up
to
1.5
feet
in
height
during
the
storm
event.
F
F
It
didn't
make
it
clear,
I
guess
maybe
let's
see.
H
F
The
scour
effect
so
where
the
waves
they
would
be
still
damaging
the
foundation
kind
of
like
a
ripple
effect
of
the
waves
as
they
go
so
again
on
this
graphic,
you
see
where
the
wave
height
is
higher
than
three
feet.
That's
where
fema
determines
this
is
their
velocity
high
velocity
zone
and
then
where
the
flooding
will
be
between
three
feet
to
one
and
a
half
feet,
that's
where
they
determine
so
when
they
it's
all
based
on
their
models
and
if.
I
F
F
That's
where
your
flood
zone
stops
right.
So
that's
in
the
end
of
the
flood
zone,
that's
where
next
to
there
will
be
the
shaded
x.
That's
why
it's
called
x
on
the
new
maps,
and
we
don't
have
them
here.
It's
usually
shown
as
the
orange
area.
D
F
F
So
the
backfield
stem
wall
is
still
allowed
in
ae
zone,
so
ae
zone
still
would
allow
batfield
stem
wall,
which
is
basically
you
have
a
perimeter
of
your
house.
As
you
see
the
foundation,
they
can
put
the
fill
inside
of
that
wall,
but
nothing
outside,
and
that
will
be
only
an
ae.
So
your
coastal,
a
and
v
e,
will
only
have.
E
F
So
not
to
fema,
no,
so
a
flood
ordinance.
These
are
sierras.
These
are
fema
standards,
unless
you
have
some
odd
shape
lot
and
you
cannot
have
access
to
it
or
something
that
pertains
to
your
land,
like
particular
situation.
With
your
parcel,
that's
the
only
condition
that
you
may
be
granted
variants
other
than
that
they're
not
supported
we're,
not
supportive
of
any
variances.
F
F
Right
so
the
defense
area-
and
I
think
it
was
confusing
so
most
of
those
detention
ponds
again,
those
would
be
for
commercial
sites
and
commercial
site
site
review
goes
completely
in
a
different
process,
so
an
engineering
report
will
be
required
and
the
engineering
plans
southwest
folder
swift,
mod
plans
will
be
required
as
well,
and
the
requirement
that
we're
just
changing
in
our
code
is
simply
just
stating
the
correct
language.
In
there.
Swift
mud
is
already
requiring
to
put
fences
on
retention
ponds.
F
I
always
get
them
confused,
but
I'm
thinking
dry
detention,
so
they
start
with
d
retention.
I
know
that's
not
engineered
that
can't
really
be
true,
but
so
we're
just
making
that
clarification
for
any
commercial
sites
and
danielle
can
confirm
this.
This
is
where
the
fence
rule
will
come
in
place,
so
elementary
schools,
I
know
from
hillsborough
county.
They
would
also
require
all
the
time.
F
So
if
they
have
any
kind
of
like
pond-
and
it's
based
on
the
timing-
I
guess
of
recovery-
they
even
may
be
more
restrictive
and
they
require
that
fence
that
you
mentioned
earlier,
but
the
the
general
rule
that
I'm
aware
of
so
if
it's
a
retention
pond,
which
is
a
wet
pond,
that's
the
only
pond
that
will
be
required
to
have
fins
fencing
around
it.
F
D
F
G
I
did
not,
I
did
not
see.
I
did
not
see
that
on
my
policy,
but
I
I
when
they
changed
the
maps
a
few
years
ago,
we
got
to
notice
that
we
were
now
in
the
flood
zone
because
we've
never
been
in
the
flood
zone
and
we
also
got
another
issue.
We
were
in
a
flood
zone
and
our
our
flood
insurance.
You
know,
you
know
how
high
it
went
well,
we
started
checking
into
it
and
come
to
find
out.
G
We
live
in
it.
Our
house
is
here
and
then
our
land
and
back
goes
like
this,
so
we
started
checking
into
it
and
we
found
out
the
the
bottom
three,
the
last
three
feet
of
our
our
property
was
in
the
flood
zone.
Not
the
house,
not
the
pool,
not
anything
else,
just
that
three
feet,
so
we
were
able
to
follow
whatever
you
call
it
an
appeal
or
whatever.
G
Our
flood
insurance,
you
know
reduced,
but
that's
not
even
relevant.
I'm
sorry
great
story,
I
I
I
I
I
agree
with
with
with
the
gym.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
when
you
were
talking
about
the
dry
ponds
and
not
putting
a
fence
around
them,
I
had
exactly
the
same
thought
that
he
did
because
I
you
know
I
was
born
and
raised
on
a
farm
in
tennessee
when
it
rained
I'm
right
out
the
door
into
the
mud
puddles.
You
know,
and
that's
that's
kids.
G
I
G
I
Can
I
can
I
ask
questions
related
to
that,
because
I
I
mean
we,
I
live
in
a
community
where
we
have
a
bunch
of
ponds
around
it
and
kids
are
fishing
there
all
the
time,
and
I
just
don't
know
what
the
difference
is
when
the
fences
are
for
commercial
zones.
Is
that
what
it
is
because.
F
Well,
if
it
was
if
the
subdivision
was
permitted
as
the
entire
subdivision,
not
just
what
like
one
individual,
I
made
I'm
thinking
like
more
of
a
residential
just
without
the
community
or
if
your
community
was
developed
as
they
planned
unit
development
and
the
entire
subdivision
was
designed.
Then
you
would
have
your
community
pond,
which
could
be
a
retention
pond,
which
also
supposed
to
have
the
the
fencing
so
daniel
might.
J
D
D
J
J
I
tend
to
make
comments
like
that
all
the
time
I
mean
not
that
specific
one,
but
I
can't
if
that's
a
concern
and
that
way
the
engineer
is
put
on
notice
that
we're
telling
you
there's
a
safety
concern.
Maybe
you
should
do
something
about
it.
A
lot
of
times
they're
going
to
opt
to
be
more
use,
more
of
a
landscape
approach
versus
a
fence
because
fences,
don't
don't
look
good,
I
mean
especially
the
chain
link,
six
foot.
J
You
know
right
which
certain
areas,
that's
fine,
because
it's
you
design
it
that
way,
and
it
looks
fine,
but
sometimes
you
might
want
to
have
a
water
feature
that
has
a
fountain
in
it
and
then
you
know,
like
the
580
ponds,
the
ones
where
tampa
road
and
st
p
drive
meet
like
there's
that
pond
over
there
I
mean
it,
looks
nice.
It
does
not
have
a
fence
right.
I
C
D
G
A
I
I
mean
our
neighborhood
is
filled
with
kids.
I
mean
it's,
you
know
it's
in
in
the
school
district
for
for
oldsmar
and
it's
right
there
and
it's
walking
distance
to
the
school,
and
is
I
mean
it's
just
loaded
with
kids
and
we
have
a
pavilion
right
on
right
on
the
lake
and
it
looks
beautiful,
there's
no
fence,
there's
a
fountain
that
looks
beautiful,
everything's,
open,
kids,
fish.
I
We
do
have
signs
that
you
know
warn
for
the
wildlife,
but
you
know
it's
been
there
for
over
20
years
and
kids
play
alongside
it.
But
kids
don't
go
in
it.
You
know,
so
I
think
sometimes
signs
work,
I'm
just
I'm
just
sharing
because
I'd
hate
to
see
a
fence
around
it
aesthetically.
It
wouldn't
look
good
enough
for
for
neighbors,
but
if
someone
has
a
pool
they're
required
to
have
a
fence
because
that
keeps
the
wildlife
out,
I
mean
there's
certain
things
that
are.
I
C
A
C
J
D
J
D
When
it
fills
up,
it
would
be
it
would.
It
would
be
nice
if,
in
the
code
there
was
an
option
not
an
option
but
say
you
put
in
the
code
that
all
all
those
pawns
had
to
have
a
four-foot
fence.
They
say
you
put
that
in
the
code,
but
it's
up
to
the
city
to
decide
on
whether
that
particular
pawn
needs
it.
You
know
what
you
understand,
what
I'm
saying
at
least
it
gives
you
the
option
to
say,
put
a
fence
there
or
you
don't
need
a
fence
there
that
but
that's
difficult
to
codify.
D
J
J
J
Is
not
a
lot
of
the
developers
read
the
code
so
like
this
has
been
here
forever
and
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
ponds
with
fences
on
them.
So
I
mean
I
don't
know
like.
I
may
have
just
shed
light
on
a
problem
that
no
one
realized.
You
know.