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Good
afternoon
my
name
is
sergio
de
allover,
I'm
with
m
skills,
manufacturing
training
in
darlington
road
in
holiday
florida,
and
the
reasons
for
me
coming
up
today
was
to
a
couple
of
different
things.
Just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
of
what
m
skills
manufacturing
training
is
about
what
we're
about
to
do
here
in
in
as
an
event
in
oldsmar
with
a
manufacturing
distribution
company
and
just
to
to
kind
of
help.
Ask
you
a
little
bit
of
help
in
helping
us
promote
this
event.
B
It's
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
residents
in
in
in
the
area
and
specifically
to
oldsmar
so
m
skills.
Manufacturing
training
was
created
by
pasco
and
pinellas
county
as
an
entity
to
assist
manufacturers
in
helping
not
only
develop
a
workforce
for
manufacturing,
but
also
to
develop
and
help
skilled
employees
get
more
skills,
so
there's
a
whole
lot
of
story
to
m
skills
when
it
comes
to
the
training
piece.
B
We've
done,
15
of
these
boot
camps
since
2020,
so
two
and
a
half
years
now
of
history-
and
we
have
seen
just
tremendous
amount
of
people
having
an
opportunity
to
launch
a
career
in
manufacturing,
not
just
another
job
we
beat
on
the
drum
quite
a
bit.
You
know
you've
had
how
many
jobs
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
You
know
we're
helping
people
from
all
walks,
develop
better
work
habits,
better,
just
a
better
way
of
going
about
building
a
career.
So
that's
been
the
focus
of
what
we
do.
It's
specific
to
the
manufacturing
industry.
B
We've
we've
been
able
to
to
help
manufacturers
here
in
oldsmar.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we've
worked
with
lockheed
martin
micro
lumen,
as
well
as
mi,
metals
and
black.
So
some
there's
a
lot
of
manufacturing
going
on
in
oldsmar,
and
one
of
the
big
keys
for
us
is.
We
have
worked
with
other
cities
and-
and
you
know
just
a
county
with
the
county
in
some
cities-
is
helping
residents
of
those
counties
and
cities
stay
put.
If
you
will
stay
working
around
where
the
jobs
are
so
manufacturing
has
tremendous
opportunities.
B
The
two-week
boot
camp
sounds
like
a
long
time,
but
it
really
isn't
it's
really
quick
and
we
we
stick
with
the
three
pillars
in
manufacturing,
no
matter
what
manufacturing
type
of
products
you
manufacture
or
what
you
do,
the
pillars
of
measurement
and
blueprint.
Reading
safety
we
go
through
that
in
our
boot
camp
and
our
two-week
boot
camp.
We
teach
all
those
things
they
do
projects
they
have
to
do
with
all
those
things,
as
well
as
getting
certification
on
osha
10,
which
is
a
big
certification
in
the
manufacturing
industry.
B
There's
no
charge
to
attend
these
boot
camps.
We've
been,
you
know,
blessed
with
some
funding
from
different
entities,
including
the
county,
as
well
as
the
department
of
labor.
It's
been
just
a
great
journey
and
we've
been
looking
forward
to
being.
In
oldsmar,
for
a
long
time,
some
friends
of
ours
have
been
here.
B
We
all
know
jerry
custon
on
the
manufacturing
side
has
been
a
huge
help
and
we
want
to
continue
to
develop
this
relationship
with
manufacturers
across
the
county,
but
we
really
have
a
special
place
for
oldsmar
and
we
want
to
help
residents
be
aware
of
what
we're
doing
so
they
can
come
participate
in
the
boot
camp
and
the
whole
goal
at
the
end
of
the
boot
camp
is
to
put
employers
in
front
of
potential
candidates.
So
we
have
had,
as
I
said,
over
15
of
these
over
130
people
have
graduated
from
our
program.
B
100
of
them
have
been
hired,
so
we're
looking
at
70,
plus
percent
rate
of
hiring.
When
I
talk
to
ceos
and
hr
directors,
they
tell
me:
listen
we're
really
shooting
for
50.
If
we,
if
we
interview
10
people,
we
hire
five
we're
doing
cartwheels
right,
but
they're
really
hitting
at
about
30.
So
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
people
to
know
more
about
manufacturing,
we're
looking
to
help
careers,
not
just
jobs
and
the
general
public
needs
to
be
a
little
more
aware
of
it.
So
I've
anne
has
been
grateful.
B
I
mean
great
for
me,
I'm
very
grateful
to
what
she
did
give
you
some
flyers,
my
card,
any
help
that
you
can
give
us
in
helping
to
promote
this.
It's
coming
up
july,
9th
a
one-day
workshop
and
in
two
weeks,
subsequent
we'll
have
the
boot
camp
going
and
we
hope
to
put
some
people
to
work
here
in
oldsmar
residents
here.
Keep
them
here
in
the
manufacturing.
A
Nice
meeting
you
sergio.
Thank
you
all
right
with
that.
We're
gonna
get
started
today
back
on
january,
4th
of
2022.
A
Oh
I'm.
First
of
all,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
open
forum.
Sorry
about
that
back
on
january,
4th
of
2022
during
our
council
comments,
council
discussed
reviewing
the
council
policies
and
procedures
and
today
we're
gonna.
We
have
an
outline
of
about
16
items
that
we're
going
to
go
through
and
we're
going
to
open
this
up
for
discussion.
A
D
I've
passed
out
a
sort
of
redline
version
to
kind
of
help,
with
my
comments
so
that
I
don't
talk
the
whole
time
and
none
of
these
are
you
know
the
legal
wording
that
I'm
sure
tom
would
use.
It
was
just
sort
of
a
way
for
me
to
put
some
comments
in
a
more
constructive
way,
so
under
number
three,
you
could
see
where
I
kind
of
changed
to
the
suggestion
that
tom
had
emailed
on
this
bullet
point
sheet.
D
This
1
through
15,
page
that
tom
had
emailed
to
us
to
change
that
the
the
work
sessions
you
know
don't
have
to
be
on
the
second
tuesday
of
any
month,
they're,
just
maybe
called
by
two
members
of
the
council
during
a
meeting
or
any
two
members
of
the
council
by
signing
the
notice,
adding
the
agenda
and
adding
that
members
can
speak
during
the
public
open
forum.
Similarly,
in
section
four,
I
changed
it
to
you
know
any
two,
but
those
were
my
thoughts.
E
I
can
jump
in
there
and
I
have
trouble
when,
when
we
get
to
these
positions,
where
we
have
one
or
two
council
members,
maybe
three
council
members
wanting
to
hold
a
meeting,
but
they
don't
know
that
the
other
council
members
are
asking
for
a
meeting
too
or
it's
on
a
different
type
of
issue
or
agenda
item.
And
so
you
know
what
we're
concerned
about
is:
is
that
one
council,
member
emailing,
another
council,
member,
saying
hey
there-
needs
to
be
two
of
us
to
ask
for
this
meeting
will
be.
E
E
Because
if
you
look
down
on
paragraph
four,
you
know
any
two
members
of
the
council
may
any
time
call
a
special
meeting
by
signing
a
written
notice
to
be
filed
with
the
clerk's
office.
Stating
the
time
and
place
of
the
meeting
right.
E
So
that's
really.
The
concern
that
we
have
is
is
that
how
do
we
get
two
or
three
of
you
to
get
on
the
same
page
without
violating
the
sunshine
law?
And
so
that's
where
we're
having
trouble.
F
E
It's
very
very
difficult
to
do
that
and
although
I
gave
again
an
example
of
how
I
thought
it
could
be
done
a
month
or
so
ago,
it's
it.
It
is
a
slippery
slippery
slope
that
you
get
into
and
all
it
takes
is
one
person
to
read
a
response:
email
the
wrong
way.
Yes,
I'm
willing
to
ask
for
the
same
meeting
for
on
the
same
issue
because
and
then
there's
two
or
three
more
words.
Added
on
and
now
you've
got
a
communication
between
two
commissioners
about
an
agenda
item.
E
E
E
To
the
city
manager
or
the
city
clerk,
whichever
one
is
the
appropriate,
probably
the
city
manager,
since
she
controls
the
agenda
and
so
forth,
and
she
makes
the
determination
if
there
are
two
of
you
that
have
asked
for
something
whether
it's
on
the
same
date
or
time
that
she
can
make
a
determination.
Whether
or
not
a
meeting
can
be
called
and
just
leave
it
to
her.
F
Tom,
if,
if
upon
one
of
us
submitting
a
request
for
meeting
and
including
the
desired
topic,
if
either
the
city
clerk
or
the
city
manager,
feels
that
there's
enough
merit
for
that
meeting
to
take
place
can
if
we
were,
if
the
rest
of
the
council
were
to
just
to
be
noticed,
that
a
meeting
has
been
requested
at
a
specific
time
and
place
and
not
including
that
subject,
would
that
be
a
means
of
at
least
getting
the
word
out
in
order
to
come
to
an
agreement
on
a
time
and
place?
E
Here's
the
problem
we
have,
even
though
maybe
the
five
of
you
would
never
take
it
to
your
advantage,
but
I
could
see
a
situation
where
you
get
a
council
member
on
this
council
that
every
single
time
he
or
she
has
a
thought
about
something.
That's
important
in
their
mind,
right
they're,
going
to
call
a
meeting.
F
G
Can
I
just
two
things
real,
quick
one?
I
got
all
this
information
for
the
first
time
today,
so
I'm
first
looking
at
this
today,
there's
just
this
sheer
oversight
being
the
new
council
member
here,
so
I'm
trying
to
catch
up
as
quickly
as
possible.
Here
my.
G
G
D
State
of
emergency-
I
don't
believe
there
are
any
other
special
meetings
called
since
I've.
A
H
C
H
My
thoughts
I
mean,
if,
if
we
put
it
as
broadly
as
possible,
any
member
of
council
may
request
a
special
meeting
and
that
request
goes
through
the
city,
clerk's
office
city,
manager's
office
and
a
determination
is
made
by
the
city
as
to
whether
or
not
it
should
be
held
and
or
something
along
those
lines
and
to
tom's
concern
that
it
would
be.
H
You
know
we
need
a
special
meeting
because
of
this
this
this
this
it'll
be
all
of
the
time.
The
request
can
be
made.
The
discretion
as
to
whether
or
not
the
meeting
should
be
held
would
wouldn't
be
with
that
council
member.
It's
it's
a
may,
not
a
shell
right,
and
so
that's
if
we
could
somehow
craft
it
that
way,
and
then
the
decision
could
be
made
from
city
hall
as
to
whether
or
not
the
meeting
needs
to
be
held.
I
don't
know
if
that's
doable
or
not,
but
that's
as
we
were
discussing
it.
E
So
if
you
take
out
the
two
any
two
members,
so
it
would
be
the
mayor
or
any
member
of
council
may
any
time
call
make
the
request
a
special
meeting
and.
C
E
Call
a
special
counsel
by
signing
a
notice
given
to
the
clerk's
office.
You
want
to
go
to
the
clerk's
office
as
usual,
or
do
you
want
it
to
go
to
the
city
manager's
office.
F
F
G
F
C
Get
the
consensus
before
the
meetings,
but
I
mean
to
get
common
dates
right,
but
as
far
as
the
special
meeting
goes,
maybe
it
should
be
either
one
because
at
any
point
you
don't
know
who
you're
dealing
with
on
the
charter
officials.
So
it
could
be
to
request
one
from
the
city,
manager
or
city
clerk.
A
E
F
It
does
that
that
doesn't
call
out
by
written
notice
right
now.
Oh
no,
it
does.
C
C
E
I
think
that
that's
appropriate
and
as
for
the
other
suggestions
that
council
member
again
was
talking
about
relative
to
having
the
work
sessions
on
a
set
date,
second
tuesday,
take
that
out
we're
you're
all
in
agreement
with
that
right.
Yeah.
A
E
C
A
D
I
think
that
makes
thank
you
mayor
yeah.
I
think
that
makes
sense,
since
no
motions
may
be
I
put
made
or
voted
on
in
mind
to
delete
that
asterisk
you're,
trying
to
find
your
section.
C
A
D
A
A
E
D
D
C
D
A
E
So
here's
where
that's
coming
from,
I
don't
see
it
to
be
a
problem
here,
but
in
in
that
particular
city.
They
were
very
concerned
that
council,
members
or
commissioners
in
that
city
were
receiving
input
from
people
in
the
audience
by
text,
and
so
they
were
thinking
that
there
was
a
little
bit
too
much
going
on
on
the
dais,
getting
information
from
people
in
the
audience
or
other
members
on
the
commission
and
not
knowing
what
was
happening
with
that.
E
Well,
you
could
have
your
husband
in
the
audience
and
you
could
be
texting
him
saying:
hey,
it's
all
right
for
you
to
go
home.
You
know,
I
think
the
council
meeting
is
going
to
be
over
in
another
20
minutes
or
whatever
so
you're.
You
know
you
have
valid
reasons
to
use
your
phone,
obviously
or
you
know,
get
someone
calling
with
a
new
baby
at
home
and
you're,
getting
a
call
saying
when
the
hell
are
you
coming
home.
E
C
E
A
D
Yeah
I
actually
took
a
couple
of
these
items
that
were
sort
of
rules
for
meetings
and
I
put
them
on
page
two
of
my
redline
version,
so
I
kind
of
took
a
stab
at
this.
It's
number
four
on
my
little
red
light
version
and
I'm
happy
to
provide
this
here.
D
I
put
city
council
members
will
refrain
from
the
use
of
personal
electronic
devices
on
the
diocese
and
or
in
a
public
meeting
unless
authorized
by
majority
vote
of
the
council.
Personal
electronic
devices
may
be
provided
to
the
city,
clerk
or
deputy
city
clerk
to
monitor
for
emergency
phone
calls.
The
use
of
city
provided
electronic
devices
for
the
purpose
of
reviewing
agenda
materials
is
permitted.
D
I
was
kind
of
I
read
the
one
from
madeira
and
I
kind
of
tried
to
mush
it
into
one,
but
that
was
just
my
thought:
I'm
not
suggesting
this
text
in
any
way,
but
that
was
my
thought
that
some
of
these
things
could
be
condensed
into
rules
similar
to
the
kenneth
city
ones,
and
so
I
just
kind
of
put
them
at
the
end
of
the
meetings
procedures.
H
G
Vice
mayor,
I'm
looking
at
this
and
I'm
thinking,
okay,
we
give
all
the
phones
and
she's
looking
at
the
phone
she's
got
them
there
in
case
someone's
calling.
How
does
she
know
that's
an
emergency?
How
does
she
recognize
that?
How
does
she
know
that?
It's
you
know?
Obviously,
if
it's
megan
calling
over
and
over
again
it's
one
thing
or
your
wife
or
spouse,
or
whatever
but
you're
putting
that
responsibility
on
to
the
clerk
that
really
she
wouldn't
know
right.
G
Is
over
the
years
that
I've
been
watching
meetings
coming
to
meetings
at
the
meetings?
I've
never
perceived
this
to
be
an
issue.
I
understand
the
perception
of
it
and
how
that
can
look
like
we're
doing
something,
but
you
know
once
again
is
this
a
really
big
issue
now
will
become
a
bigger
issue
later.
Maybe
they
need
to
change
the
rules
later?
I
I'm
just
like.
I
said
I'm
reading
through
this
for
the
first
time
today
and
still
getting
all
my
thoughts
around
it,
but
I
I
don't
see
it
as
that
big
of
an
issue.
G
H
Been
discussed
before
yeah
just
having
one
point
of
contact,
whether
it's
kathy
or
ann
and
just
to
say,
hey
if
it,
if
it's
actually
something
you
got
to,
let
somebody
know
so
they
can
tell
me,
because
I
kelly
knows
my
phone
is
in
my
poc,
that
I
don't
look
at
she
just
knows,
and
so
it's
she.
She
knows
she
has
to
get
a
hold
of
somebody
else
and
if
she
necessarily
meets
you,
thankfully
she
never
has.
G
C
F
F
A
Actually,
combined
four
and
five
together
here:
oh,
we
did
yeah,
we
kind
of
did
so,
but
I
I
kind
of
providing
an
emergency
phone
calls
during
meetings.
F
E
G
C
A
A
F
D
D
Use
of
city
provided
devices
is
encouraged
and
then
just
don't
put
anything
about
emergencies,
and
if
you
have
an
emergency
just
get
up
and
go
like
if
you
could
feel
your
phone
vibrating
multiple
times
or
you,
you
know
notice
that
somebody
is
repeatedly
calling
you
just
we
can
just.
We
don't
need
to
put
it
in
the
procedure,
but
we
can
just
all,
acknowledge
and
agree
that
get
up
and
take
the
call
just
use
discretion.
Yeah
use
your
discretion.
G
G
E
Yeah,
so
what
I've
taken
from
that
is,
is
that
we're
going
to
keep
number
four
in
and
it's
going
to
say,
city
council
members
will
refrain
from
the
use
of
personal
electronic
devices
on
the
days
period.
Everything
else
is
going
to
be
struck,
except
for
the
last
sentence.
The
use
of
city
provide
electronic
devices
for
purposes
of
reviewing
agenda
materials
is
permitted,
yep.
A
D
A
A
This
rule
provides
a
procedure
for
communications
with
local
public
officials
regard
regarding
quasi-judicial
matters,
any
person
not
otherwise
prohibited
by
statute
charter
provision
or
ordinance
may
discuss
with
any
local
public
official
representing
the
city,
the
merits
of
any
matter
on
which
action
may
be
taken
by
any
board
or
any
city
commission
on
which
the
local
public
official
is
a
member.
Such
communication
shall
not
rise
any
preemption
or
prejudice,
provided
that
the
following
procedure
of
disclosure
occurs.
C
D
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
I
thought
maybe
an
oldsmar
rules
of
procedure.
Four
of
nine,
I'm
sorry,
it's
like
a
five
of
nine
on
the
order
and
subject
of
appearance
during
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
Maybe
we
could
just
add
that
before
the
initial
presentation
by
staff,
so,
for
example,
the
way
that,
during
a
cra
proceeding
vice
mayor
buckman,
was
invited
to
make
any
disclosure
of
the
fact
that
he
looked,
you
know
in
accordance
with
the
statute,
but
for
quasi
judicial
we
could
put
it.
D
You
know
right
before
we
kind
of
get
started
of
any
ex
parte
communications
or
conflicts
of
interest.
I
think
the
reason
I
like
the
can.
The
indian
rock
speech
part
24
is
because
it's
a
it
kind
of
protects
us
right.
It's
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
make
a
disclosure
to
protect
us
from
any
questions.
After
the
fact
should
someone
discover
a
relationship
or
something
that
would
later
call
them
to
question
our
intentions
or
our
vote,
and
I
I
like
that,
it's
clear
in
rule
24
that
it
states
you
know
that
it's
not.
D
It
does
not
raise
a
presumption
of
prejudice
in
your
vote.
So
it's
saying
you
know
just
because
that
happened
doesn't
mean
that
there's
anything
wrong
with
your
vote.
It's
just
an
opportunity
to
disclose
it
so
that
there's
no
questions
later
similar
to
the
statutorily
required
cra
disclosure.
E
A
D
D
I
think
council,
member
graber
has
kind
of
informally
done
it
on
a
couple
of
different
quasi-judicial
hearings,
where
he
had
to
disclose
that
the
title
search
was
done
for
a
particular
property
by
his
company.
But
if
we
make
it
a
rule,
then
you
know
there's
no
questions
right,
and
this
has
really
great
language.
I
just
put
in
my
little
red
line,
I
put
disclosure
by
council
members
of
any
ex
parte
communications
as
a
before
initial
presentation,
presentation
by
staff
in
the
order
and
subject
of
appearance,
but
if
it
fits
better
somewhere
else
tom.
E
H
G
I'm
trying
to
just
understand
it
just
a
little
bit
more,
so
a
citizen
approaches
me
talks
about
an
issue.
That's
on
an
agenda,
we're
going
to
disclose
that
now
during
quasi-judicial
meetings
is.
E
That
correct,
if
it's
on
the
agenda
item-
and
it
is
a
quantitative
matter-
the
answer
is
yes,
so
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
or
wherever
we
place
it
in
in
the
order
of
priority
here,
I
would
be
asking
right
after
I
swear
in
everybody,
any
conflicts
of
interest
or
exported
communications
that
the
council
members
would
like
to
make
now
is
the
time,
and
so
you
would
say
yeah
I
spoke
to
jane
smith.
We
spoke
at
the
and
she
told
me
her
concerns
about
the
adoption
of
this
development
project
and
here's
what
she
told
me.
E
A
A
D
Yes
mayor,
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
I
think
that
is
a
great
idea,
because
otherwise
we
seem
to
do
it
twice
yearly
or
when
there's
an
issue
and
it
ends
up
being
yearly
anyway.
So
on
my
version,
I
put
it
just
at
the
very
end.
I
put
it
as
just
a
miscellaneous
item
number
17.
I
don't
know
what
that
numbering
will
stay,
but
I
put
the
old,
smart
city.
D
Council
rules
of
procedure
will
be
reviewed
annually
by
the
city,
council
and
city
attorney
during
a
work
session
held
on
or
before
july
1
of
each
year,
and
the
reason
I
put
july
1,
I
just
thought
you
know:
okay
well.
If
and
if
there's
an
election
and
a
new
council
is
convened
like
give
it
a
minute
to
okay,
let's
okay,
that
person's
now
comfortable.
D
A
Yeah,
I
just
have
one
other
comment
before
the
meeting.
I
was
asking
felicia
the
same
thing:
we've.
Never
really
it's
all.
Like
councilmember
mcgann
said
it's
been
like
you
know
twice
a
year.
You
know,
and
it's
been
off.
I
think
once
a
year
is,
is
is
needed,
yeah
even
going
for
the
future
of
different
councils
going
forward
plus.
H
D
My
intention
was
certainly
not
to
preclude
any
additional
meetings
regarding
the
procedure,
should
it
become
necessary
or
requested
by
you
know
a
member
of
council
or
the
mayor,
but
I
just
thought
it
would
be
prudent
to
include
that
it
would
be
a
certainty
at
least
once
a
year.
A
A
I
got
it
right
here,
tom,
the
city
commission
may
hold
a
work
session
for
the
primary
purpose
of
informing
the
city
commission
on
matters
for
consideration
at
regular
or
special
city
commission.
Meeting
work
sessions
shall
be
scheduled
at
such
time
date
and
place.
As
the
city
commission
may
decide
by
a
majority
vote,
a
no
form
of
vote
shall
be
taken
on
any
work
session
item.
We
don't
really
do
that.
Anybody
else
have
any
comments
on
that.
D
No,
we
we
shouldn't,
we
definitely
shouldn't
take
any
votes.
I
think
it's
easy,
an
easy
ad
of
right
under
number
three.
I
actually
didn't
redline
that
one
and
put
it
in
here,
because
it
seems
so
easy
to
just
kind
of
tack
it
on
to
the
end
of
the
work
session
section
that
we
already
have.
E
H
C
A
A
E
A
D
E
It's
five
minutes
to
11.
or
I'm
you
know
nudging
him.
You
know
I
sit
next
to
him
saying
it's
almost
11
o'clock
right.
He
stops
what
we're
doing
and
then
he
says
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
go
past
11
o'clock.
I
need
a
motion
to
extend
the
time
and
then
a
commissioner
will
say
I
moved
to
extend
the
time
till
11
15.
G
E
Okay
and
then
it
gets
to
be
11
14
and
we
need
to
do
it
again.
You
know
so
whatever
it
is
that
you
want
to
do
it
and
the
idea
is,
is
to
do
it
in
small
segments,
because
that
gives
you
the
you
know
the
push
to
get
everything
done.
If
you
do
it,
45
minutes
you're
going
to
take
the
45
minutes.
Aren't
you
you
know
so
so
the
idea
is
in
small
increments
and
then
maybe
get
your
meeting
done
sooner.
F
E
G
E
C
E
A
A
The
city
has
established
various
appointed
boards
and
committees
as
means
of
gathering
recommendations
after
providing
more
public
opportunities
for
more
community
input.
Citizens
who
serve
on
boards
and
committees
become
more
involved
in
government
and
serve
as
advisors
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
They
are
valued
resources
to
the
city's
leadership
and
shall
be
treated
with
appreciation
and
respect.
D
Thank
you
mayor.
I
put
this
at
the
end
on
the
last
page
council
contact
with
board
members,
I
put
it
at
14..
I
actually
wrote
adopt
section
six
of
madeira
beach
in
entirety,
edit
to
conform
of
course,
to
change
commissioners
to
council
meetings
or
council
members.
You
know
you
don't
necessarily
realize
how
important
something
is
until
it's
presented
to
you.
You
know
I
read
this
section
from
madeira
beach
and
I
was
like
wow.
D
We
should
have
had
this
because
I
highlighted
long
time,
yeah
yeah.
We
should
have
had
this
a
long
time
ago.
So
everything
under
that
section,
including
numbers
one
two
three
and
four,
including
the
bullet
points
they're
under
in
section
six
that
madeira
beach
has.
I
thought
was
incredibly
important
because
I
know
there's
been,
you
know,
questions
in
the
past.
D
You
know.
Should
I
go
to
the
advisory
board
meeting?
Should
I
show
up
at
the
planning
board
meeting
should
how
should
I
conduct
myself?
You
know
when
we're
appointing
people.
I
I
added
an
item
separately
as
number
16
on
my
little
list.
I
don't
know
if
it
could
be
included
in
this
or
if
it
needs
to
be
separate
tom,
but
as
for
this
particular
section,
the
conduct,
I
thought
it
was
very
well
written.
D
I
really
like
that.
You
know
boarding
committee
members
do
not
report
to
individual
council
members,
nor
shall
council
members
feel
that
if
they
have
the
right
to
threaten
the
power
or
right
to
threaten
border
committee,
members
with
removal
for
disagreement,
appointment
or
reappointment
shall
be
based
on
criteria
such
as
expertise.
Ability
to
work
with
the
staff
and
public
commitment
to
fulfilling
the
duties
shall
not
be
appointment
shall
not
be
used
as
a
political
reward.
D
I
thought
all
of
that
was
really
smart
and
then
the
my
separate
comment.
I
don't
again,
I
don't
know
if
it
would
go
in
this
section,
but
I
had
just
a
separate
note
here
I
put
when
the
council
is
appointing
members
of
an
advisory
committee
and
similar
each
council
member
shall
nominate
a
candidate
meeting
necessary
qualifications.
They
did
a
good
job
of
explaining
that
and
I
put
council
members-
should
refrain
from
nominating
family
members
of
the
first
degree
and
are
encouraged
to
nominate
candidates
who
have
not
previously
served
on
a
committee.
D
This
was
just
my
suggestion
because
there
was
a
concern
previously
raised.
I
think
we
know
what
I'm
talking
about
and
I
think
if
we
just
made
it
a
policy
or
a
suggestion
that
it
could
be
helpful
because
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
want
anybody
questioning
anybody's
appointees.
I
think
that
we
can
all
do
a
good
job
of
that
and
if
we
have
a
little
bit
of
guidance
and
I
put
family
members
of
the
first
degree,
so
it's
only
people
who
are
directly
in
your
family-
not
cousins
and
stuff
like
that.
D
But
those
are
my
thoughts.
F
Just
have
a
question
maybe
for
for
tom,
I
guess
when
it
comes
to
attendance
at
any
of
the
board
or
board
meetings
is
what's
what's
wrong.
If
we
say
is
there
a
problem,
if
we
say
you
can't
go
unless
it's
due
to
a
personal
matter
of
your
involvement,
you
know
if
you're
seeking
a
variance
because
then
ultimately
you're
probably
going
to
be
recusing
yourself.
If
that
matter
comes
before
the
council,
so
can
you
go
so
far
as
to
say
you
know?
E
E
It
was
not
easy
to
do
it's
very
controversial
and
political,
but
the
answer
is
they're
your
rules
and
if
you
want
to
bind
yourselves
not
to
go
there,
then
you
can
do
that
and
it
can
be
changed
at
any
time.
It's
done
by
resolution.
So
if
you
decide
next
month
after
you
adopt
it,
you
don't
want
there
anymore.
E
You
could
take
that
back
out,
so
whatever
whatever
you
want
to
do
on
that
I've
never
seen
that
done,
and
I
think
that
you
probably
shouldn't
do
it,
because
I
think
you
should
give
yourselves
the
ability
to
do
it.
If
it's
a
really
really
important
thing
that
you
want
to
see
it
firsthand,
you
want
to
see
you
know.
The
camera
is
on
the
chairperson
and
you
know
that
that
person
over
there
is
playing
you
know
tic-tac-toe
or
he's
on
facebook
and
he's
not
paying
attention.
E
D
I
think
this
does
a
good
job
of
it.
The
madeira
one
commission
under
bullet,
one
commission
member,
shall
remember
attendance,
may
place
him
or
her
in
a
position
to
be
asked
to
disclose
their
attendance
and
any
written
or
oral
ex
parte
communications,
or
even
recuse
him
or
herself.
If
there
is
evidence
of
prejudice
or
bias
when
the
quasi-judicial
matter
is
brought
before
the
board
of
commissioners,.
A
This
is
a
big
section
jared,
do
you
want
to
give
have
more
time,
and
we
can
always
come
back
at
a
council
meeting
and
talk
about
it
again.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
give
you
some
extra
time.
If
you
need
it,.
G
G
E
I'm
suggesting
more
than
that,
I
don't
want
to
limit
it
to
just
because
it
has
some
no
matter
personal
matter.
I
think
that
you
should,
as
a
council
member,
be
able
to
sit
in
the
back
of
the
audience
on
an
issue
that
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
you,
but
so
I
don't
I
wouldn't
want
to
box
yourself.
G
Into
a
corner
that
far,
I
guess
my
concern
is
just
it's
the
sheer
perception
you're
up
here
as
a
board
member
mayor
sitting
out
there.
Now
I've
got
questions.
Why
is
the
mayor
here?
What
is
he
looking
for?
What's
he
want
out
of
this?
What
why
is
he
here?
Why
is
he
here
in
this
meeting,
so
as
the
board
member
sitting
there,
I've
got
all
these
thoughts
running
to
my
head.
Am
I
focused
on
the
item,
or
am
I
focused
on?
Why
is
the
mayor
here
or
or
council
member
here
right?
G
H
D
F
H
Yes,
yes,
I'm
in
favor
leave
it
broad
to
allow
it.
I,
since
I've
been,
I
haven't
gone
to
one
right
so
it,
but
if
it's
strictly
prohibited,
then
somebody
goes
like
that.
Having
that
process,
you
know
was
a
reprimand.
I
mean
councilmember
gannon
and
tom,
like
that.
I
almost
said
public
reprimand,
but
you
know
where
I
was
going
with
that,
but
it's
going
to
having
that
process
needing
to
be
in
place
babysitting
having
to
hear
you
know
so-and-so
was
there
so-and-so?
Was
there
allowing
it
and
making
a
decision
not
to
go?
A
D
So
it
sounds
like
we
have
consensus
about
adding
section
six
and
of
course
we
just
have
consensus
today,
we're
not
voting
on
this
so
jared.
If
you
have
anything
that
comes
up
before,
we
actually
vote
to
adopt
the
new
rules
once
tom's
finished
with
them,
we
can
address
it
at
that
particular
council
meeting.
G
Let
me
go
back
and
I'll
go
back
and
review
it
a
little
bit
more
in
depth.
I
I
don't
think
I'm
going
to
see
an
issue
with
this.
I
just
want
a
little
more
time
on
it.
For
me,.
A
All
right,
the
only
thing
is
I,
in
regards
to
your
item,
16,
that
you
wrote
here
about
council
member
shall
nominate
a
candidate
meeting
a
family
member.
I
think
we
should
leave
that
go.
That
was
a
kind
of
a
political
issue,
and
I
explained
in
that
public
open
forum,
why
that
was
the
reason
why
that
happened.
So
I
really
don't
want
to
add
that
I
think
we
should
leave
that
alone.
C
A
F
D
C
You
wanted
to
say,
I
know
that
community
engagement
is
a
priority
of
the
council
and
when
you,
when
you
kind
of
limit
it
to
just
a
household
you're,
trying
to
you're
trying
to
get
with
these
board
appointments
to
get
that
outside,
and
so
you
want,
as
many
people
from
the
outside,
you
want
all
that
those
opinions
and
that
and
that
advice
and
when
family
members
of
the
first
degree
are
appointed
then
you're
limiting
that,
and
so
that's
kind
of
works
against
community
engagement.
A
D
This
is
for
advisory
committees,
I
mean
advisory
committees
or
boards,
so
it
would
include
like
the
ordinance
review
committee
or
the
charter
review
committee,
things
like
that,
and
that
was
to
ann's
point.
That's
why
I
put
encouraged.
I
put
council
members
are
encouraged
to
nominate
candidates
who
have
not
previously
served
on
a
committee.
So
this
is
not
the
the
process
where
anne
gets
an
application
and
then
she
gives
it
to
us
and
we
review
it.
D
This
is
the
process
for
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
nominate
people
to
a
board
that
does
not
or
an
advisory
committee
that
does
not
exist,
has
no
application
process.
We're
just
asked,
as
a
council
hey
we're
going
to
do
a
public
art
committee
for
the
new
public
art
piece
over
at
oldsmar
sports,
complex
everybody
up
here
is
going
to
nominate
somebody
and
then
we're
going
to
take
five
more
people
from
the
pinellas
county
art.
E
I
know
that
it's
a
sore
subject,
it's
a
sort
of
subject
and
more
than
one
city
that
I
have
where
a
council
member
or
commissioner,
is
appointing
a
spouse.
I
know
that
it
happened
in
tarpon
recently
too,
and
that's
why
I
was
saying
more
than
one.
So
this
is
not
a
legal
issue.
This
is
a
policy
issue
that
you
guys
are
going
to
have
to
decide
on
your
own,
but
it
is
something
that
happens
and
it
does
turn
heads.
E
Sometimes
it
you
know
it's
the
greatest
thing
in
the
world
and
sometimes
it's
very,
very
political.
So
you
know
it's
a
decision
that
policy
decision
you're
gonna
have
to
make
and-
and
I
frankly
don't
wanna
get
any
further
involved
than
that.
Okay,
because
it's
not
a
legal
issue.
Okay,
so.
G
C
E
G
You
know
talk
about
the
art
project.
I
wasn't
on
council,
yet
my
wife
was
an
artist
and
family
is
an
artist.
She
wanted
to
be
on
it.
It's
a
great,
but
when
I
look
at
this,
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
orange
view
committee,
all
the
other
committees
that
we're
appointing
people.
G
C
G
H
D
In
the
order,
the
code
of
ordinances,
I
I
respectfully
disagree
only
because
we're
all
up
here
to
serve
as
representatives
of
the
people
who
voted
for
us,
and
I
don't
think
it
does
us
any
favors
to
set
us
up
for
a
comment
like
well.
The
city
manager
just
goes
through
and
picks
all
of
her
favorite
people.
I
think
we're
up
here
to
to
advocate
for
the
city
and
to
kind
of
spot
those
people
who
would
probably
do
a
good
job
of
it.
D
I
think
the
madeira
beach
guidelines
kind
of
address
that
when
you're,
you
know
picking
someone
it's
you
know
important
to
to
find
someone
who
wants
to
be
more
involved.
Who
you
know
has
some
of
those
extra
qualifications.
You
know,
for
example,
I
knew
my
neighbor
amber.
You
know
very
involved
in
the
arts
has
kids
fantastic
person
who
has
indicated
to
me
multiple
times
that
she
has
desired
a
more
active
role.
D
You
know
that
would
be
a
great
person
that
andrew
might
not
know
or
the
mayor
might
not
know,
or
you
know
the
person
I
selected
for
the
arts
committee.
You
know
I
happened
to
meet
her
at
a
previous
event
and
not
everybody
kind
of
knows
those
individual
folks.
So
I
I
do
think
it
is
our
job
to
look
for
those
people
who
can
act
as
positive
advocates
for
the
city
and
meet
some
of
the
qualifications.
When
we
have
those
special
committees
come
up.
I
agree.
E
None
that
I
know
of
okay,
but
I
don't
this
is
not
the
normal
process.
The
normal
process
is
is,
and
ann
can
explain
it
better
than
I
can,
but
when
you
have
a
vacancy
there,
they
either
put
on
the
website
or
put
out
notices
relative
to
boards
that
have
vacancies
and
you
want
to
fill
them
and
we
get
five
or
six
applications.
D
D
Yeah,
so
when
the
council
is
appointing
members
of
ad
hoc
advisory
committees,
you
know
each
council
member
shall
nominate
a
candidate
meeting
necessary.
That's
why
that
is
kind
of
why
I
put
it
separate
from
the
number
14
that
I
had
here,
which
is
regarding
boards
and
committees,
and
council
members,
should
refrain
from
nominating
family
members
of
the
first
degree
and
are
encouraged
to
nominate
candidates
who
have
not
previously
served
on
a
committee
on
an
ad
hoc
committee.
D
D
Yeah
charter
review
ordinance
review.
We
had
the
public
art
selection
committee,
you
know
who
knows
what
might
come
up
in
the
future,
maybe
something
related
to
resiliency
or
sustainability
or
or
downtown
or
other
public
art
projects.
I'm
sure
each
of
us
could
think
of
somebody
who
would
be
fantastic
for
that
type
of
work.
H
Nothing
from
me:
it's
it's
fine,
it's
it's
the
who's,
picking
who
kind
of
thing
right
and
as
we
mentioned
it
came
up
before,
but
I
mean,
if
there's
a
rule,
then
we
know,
then
we
know
moving
forward
and
then
future
councils
know
moving
forward.
So
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
change.
That's
right.
G
I'm
is
this
related
and
I'm
not
a
legal
scholar
here,
but
if
we
appoint
a
family
member
does
that
go
back
to
number
six
disclosure
of
communications,
because
obviously
there's
gonna
be
communication
between
you
and
your
family
member
about
what
they're
talking
about
and
are
we
putting
ourselves
in.
D
A
D
Then
I
think
you
might
be
putting
vice
mayor
buckman
in
a
very
precarious
position
of
having
potential
discussions
with
his
wife.
Regarding
the
committee
that
I
I
don't
think
he
I
mean
it's
certainly
up
to
him,
but
you
are
correct
that,
according
to
what
I
have
written
here,
yes,
you
could
pick
megan
buckman
a
spouse
of
a
different
council
member
yeah.
I
think
it
would
be
a
mistake,
but
personally,
but
that's
not
what
I
have
written
here.
A
A
F
A
E
So
it
provides
board
of
commissioners
are
frequently
contacted
by
the
media
for
the
background,
quotes
and
interviews
whenever
possible.
Commission
members,
as
the
city's
policy
makers,
shall
be
the
first
contact
with
the
media.
The
city
manager
is
also
a
frequent
contact
and
shall
manage
staffs
contact.
Communications
with
the
media,
following
are
the
board
of
commissioners.
General
policies
for
conduct
with
the
media
on
legal
issues.
Media
inquiries
relating
to
existing
potential
liability
are
sued
against.
E
The
city
should
be
immediately
referred
to
the
city
attorney
and
the
absence
of
the
city
attorney
the
city
manager
may
respond,
and
so
on
on
controversial
issues.
The
city
would
use
a
designated
spoke
spokesperson
in
the
absence
of
a
designee.
The
board
of
commissioners
shall
be
clear
for
the
record
as
to
whether
their
comments
represent
the
official
city
position
or
the
personal
viewpoint,
and
then
it
addresses
other
guidelines
for
media
contacts
and
emails
texts
and
social
media,
so
it
was.
E
D
No,
I
agree,
I
think
mayor.
I
think
it's
really
smart
as
a
personal
practice,
which
I'm
sure
you
guys
all
have
any
question
regarding
an
pending
legal
issue,
immediately,
nothing
to
say
nothing
to
say.
I've
learned
already
straight
to.
C
D
And
tom
actually
are
usually
in
an
email
and
then
just
generally,
when
you
know
it
says
here
that
in
their
in
their
version
it
says
commission
members
as
the
city's
policymakers,
shall
be
the
first
contact
with
the
media.
You
know
I
get
that,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
tread
lightly.
I'm
not
sure
I
agree
with
the
entirety
of
the
introductory
statement,
but
numbers
one.
D
Two,
three
four
and
five,
I
think,
are
very
helpful
people
generally
don't
in
the
media
generally,
don't
contact
us
about
non-controversial
issues
right
so
number
two
kind
of
covers
it.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
they're,
not
the
media
is
not
calling
us
to
ask
generally
about
anything
basic.
I
mean
sometimes
we'll
get
a
comment
or
we'll
ask
be
asked
to
make
a
comment
at
a
very
public
event.
That
is
a
great
success.
Hey.
What
did
you
think
about
the
sidewalk
chalk
day
or
whatever?
D
And
of
course,
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
a
positive
comment
from
any
one
of
us,
but
I
really
like
number
two:
when
sensitive
or
controversial
issues
arise
the
and
they
I
don't
know
why
this
is
redline.
That's
just
what
was
in
this
document,
I
guess
it
says
the
city
manager,
I
would
just
put
the
city
manager
or
their
designee
maybe
designated
for
such
contact,
because
that
consistent
messaging
thing,
I
think,
that's
really
important.
D
F
Well,
okay,
sorry
mayor,
I
think
one
thing
maybe
is
an
important
distinction
is
maybe
it's
just
because
it's
bolder
than
can't
be
emphasized,
but
it's
the
city's
position
right.
The
city's
position
can
be
different
than
any
of
our
individual
positions
on
an
issue.
That's
come
before
this,
this
body
right
sure,
so
you
know
jeff
or
anyone
else
out.
F
H
C
H
F
H
H
D
H
Right
exactly
and
because
I
mean
what,
if
there's
a
mixture
of
of
a
legal
matter
which
may
come
across
as
a
fun
matter,
and
it's
really
just
you
know
a
fluff
piece,
but
technically
it
involves
something.
That's
also
going
on.
That
has
legal
ramifications,
that's
where
I'm
just
kind
of
like.
Maybe
these
requests.
C
H
Be
forwarded
to
the
city
manager
for
review
and
then,
however,
it's
decided
as
to
who's
going
to
respond
yeah,
but
do
we
make
it
that
strict?
I
don't
know,
but
that's
where
I'm
I
get
a
little
trepidatious
about
it,
but
certainly
strike
the
whenever
possible
the
city's
position
on
issues.
I
think
that
goes
straight
to
the
city,
manager's
office.
H
We
have
an
opportunity,
every
first
and
third
tuesday,
to
discuss
our
position
on
things
and
they're
open
to
the
public
and
the
media
can
attend
or
the
media
can
watch
it
on
youtube
and
figure
out
what
we
had
to
say
in
terms
of
what's
the
city's
position
on
these
things.
I
think
that
comes
from
city
hall,.
C
F
They
have
to
be
clear
about
whether
what
they're
sharing
represent
this
official
city
position
or
a
personal
viewpoint
correct
well
right.
There
is
kind
of
yeah.
You
can
talk
to
you're
clear
to
talk
to
people
if
you're
inquired
you
shouldn't
be
out
there.
I
think
that's
also
what
this
is
kind
of
saying
is
you
shouldn't
be
going
out
trying
to
stir
up
getting
media
attention?
C
It's
always
been.
My
answer
yes,
mayor
is
that
is
that
in
this,
if
that
is
a
route
that
you
guys
would
like
to
take,
I
I
would
suggest
that
it
instead
of
saying
the
city
manager
instead
of
saying
the
city
manager
may
be
designated,
is
designated.
F
A
Right
so
I
just
want
to
make
one
comment:
yeah
just
being
the
mayor
for
what
three
and
a
half
months
the
media.
I
noticed.
One
thing
I
want
to
share
with
all
of
you:
is
they
try
to
play
us
yeah?
They
play
felicia
and
I
they'll
call
me
and
they'll
say
something
to
me
and
then
they'll
call
her
and
what
do.
A
A
A
Yeah
one
thing
I
want
to
just
say
is
wow
the
relationship
of
that
media
with
felicia
her,
and
I
work
really
well
together
on
that,
and
I
really
appreciate
that-
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
item
to
be
in
our
procedures,
all
right
anything
else.
Any
other
comments,
tom,
you,
okay
with
that
one.
E
Yeah,
so
I
just
so,
you
understand
that
the
notes
that
I've
taken
down
then
is
is
that
we're
going
to
strike
the
second
sentence
in
section
eight,
the
first
deductory
paragraph
I'm
going
to
change
the
title
in
paragraph
number
two
to
have
it
read,
use
a
designated
spokesperson
for
the
city's
official
position
on
an
issue
and
then
the
first
line
and
the
next
paragraph
where
it
said
when
sensitive
or
controversial
issues
arise.
I've
changed
that
to
read
when
the
city's
position
on
an
issue
is
requested.
E
It
is
essential
that
a
central
focal
point
for
information
be
established
and
then
the
next
sentence
the
city
manager,
is
designated
for
such
contact.
Those
are
the
changes.
I
think
that
I've
heard
so
I'll
be
making
those
yeah.
E
H
C
Right
and
there
are
some
circumstances
where
I
would
designate
that,
for
instance,
when
there
would,
if
there's
a
traffic
question,
I
would
designate
the
public
works
director
to
speak
on
behalf.
So.
C
A
G
E
Pointing
out
some
cities
well,
at
least
during
the
covid
situation,
you
know
we
did
it
here,
use
use
of
zoom.
But
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
now
that
we're
out
of
the
covid
emergency
status
that
do
you?
Do
you
want
to
go
back
to
zoom?
Are
you
satisfied
with
where
we're
at
right?
Now?
I
will
tell
you
that
in
tarpon
they
just
opened
it
up
again
for
zoom
and
it
takes
a
little
bit
more
time.
E
What
the
mayor
is
doing.
There
is
allowing
people
to
provide
public
comment
on
every
single
agenda
item
and
they
can
either
do
it
through
zoom
or
they
can
do
it
through
a
telephone
call.
So
after
everyone
speaks
in
the
audience.
First
thing
is,
is
to
go
to
the
I.t
room.
They
beam
in
zoom,
and
then
we
pick
those
people
and
they
they
speak.
E
So
are
you
satisfied
with
the
audience
here
or
do
you
want
to
open
it
up
and
allow
zoom,
and
I
don't
even
know
if
we
have
that
a
bit
the
ability
to
do
that?
I
didn't
talk
to
felicia
or
ann
about
that.
E
D
I'm
satisfied
with
how
our
meetings
operate.
I
did
think
it
was
prudent.
I
put
on
page
two
number
five
that
I
put
as
just
a
general
rule
as
number
one.
I
put
all
public
meetings
shall
shall
be
simultaneously
broadcast
or
rebroadcast
when
possible,
through
the
use
of
video
technology
to
provide
public
access
and
participation,
but
that
that
was
what
I
liked
that
the
bel
air,
the
town
of
bel
air
rule
added.
E
F
G
Wasn't
here
during
while
I
was
here,
but
I
wasn't
here
during
covet,
so
I
didn't
have
the
chance
to
experience
the
challenges
of
what
you
went
through
there.
Thinking
about
this
at
first
glance,
my
my
immediate
thought
is,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
My
question
is
really
where
the
big
participation
has
come
in
is
through
public
hearings.
G
C
C
So
it's
my
understanding
that
we
do
have
the
technology
to
conduct
a
zoom
meeting,
so
the
the
zoom
meetings
that
we
conducted
during
kovid
were
different
than
this,
and
and
just
so
vice
mayor
buckman,
because
you
weren't
here
it
was
literally
me
standing
here
with
a
laptop
and
allowing
people
to
speak
during
the
meeting
and
everyone
else
was
at
home.
C
So
we
didn't
have
we.
It
was
you
know
whoever
came
in
for
the
meeting.
It
was
not
a
great
attendance
because
we
were
in
covid,
so
it
was
usually
me
and
I
would
say
three
or
four
people
at
the
max,
but
that's
how
we
we
conducted
that,
but
the.
But
I
understand
that
our
technology,
we
do
have
the
technology
to
conduct
a
zoom
meeting.
A
C
C
G
Tom
just
for
curiosity's
sake,
your
tarpon
springs,
correct,
yeah.
They
were
telling
me
I
was
talking
to
mike
eisner
if
they're
during
the
election
cycle,
I
ran
into
him
at
one
of
the
meetings
and
they
use
like
a
polling
technology.
E
The
polling
technologies,
the
social
media,
facebook
that
they
were
trying
to
remind
them
yeah.
It
was
not
the
city
doing
that
there
was
a
open
house
that
was
held
where
they
had
a
consultant
come
in,
and
the
consultant
had
the
capability
of
doing
that.
I
believe
I
was
not
present
at
the
meeting,
but
there
was
one
situation
where
they
had
the
ability
to
do
that:
okay,.
A
E
C
E
A
Sound
the
procedure
of
public
hearing.
A
C
E
C
A
That
three
more
all
right,
do
you
have
a
comment
vice
mayor?
No,
no
all
right
item
14
provision
for
orderly
meetings,
do's
and
don'ts.
We
have
a
reference
of
kenneth
city
rule
5.4
on
page
8,
and
I
highlighted
one
I
want
to
read
out
all
persons
in
attendance
at
a
council,
meeting,
public
hearing
or
workshop
shall
conduct
themselves
in
a
civil
manner
and
refrain
from
action
that
disrupts
the
meeting
or
hinders
the
council
in
performing
its
duties
to
these
ends.
A
Such
persian
persons
are
prohibited
from
committing
acts
of
violence
towards
any
person
making,
threats
of
violence
or
speaking
frightening
words
that
are
likely
to
provoke
violence,
disturbing
the
proceedings
with
excessive,
excessive
commotion
or
excessively
loud
shouting
or
other
noises
or
use
of
obscene
or
crude
language,
and
there's
more
to
we
can
talk
about.
But
we
don't
have
this
anywhere
tom.
Any
of
this
no.
E
And
it
was
my
suggestion
that
something
like
this
be
added
so
that
you
can
point
to
it
when
somebody
is
getting
a
little
bit
out
of
hand,
our
rules
of
procedure
don't
provide
for
that.
It's
not
allowed
you're
going
to
stop
and
after
a
couple
of
mornings,
if
they
don't
stop,
then
that
person
would
be
removed
from
the
meeting.
G
E
No
issue
there:
we
need
to
have
the
the
business
of
the
day
done
just
because
you
have
the
opportunity
to
speak.
An
agenda
item
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
you
have
the
right
to
cause
a
commotion,
disrupt
the
meeting
in
any
way
exceed
your
time
limits.
E
If
you
have
time
limits,
the
the
law
allows
for
us
to
put
reasonable
restrictions
on
that
speech,
and
that's
what
you're
doing
here
is
you're
saying
we'll
allow
you
to
speak,
but
you're
not
going
to
commit
any
acts
of
violence
and
you're
not
going
to
do
anything
to
disrupt
our
meeting
and
you're
not
going
to
interfere
with
others
that
want
to
speak
and
so
on.
So
that
is
absolutely
appropriate.
F
E
Yeah
and
in
tarpon
we
have
a
person
that
reads
the
bible
for
their
four
minutes
and
then
points
at
the
council
members
and
tells
them
how
bad
they
are
and
they
don't
comply
with
the
bible.
So
you
have
the
right
to
do
that.
There's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
If
that's
how
you
want
to
use
your
four
minutes
or
three
minutes
or
whatever
it
is,
you
can
do
that.
E
F
A
E
Then
we
get
to
an
agenda
item
and
if
it's
unduly
repetitious
the
mayor
would
say:
okay,
we've
heard
that
is
there
anything
new
that
you
want
to
add?
No
well,
let
me
move
to
the
next
person
then,
or
you
know,
if
there
is
anything
that
they
you
know.
The
issue
is
this
development
on
state
street
and
they
want
to
talk
about
the
weather.
Okay,.
C
E
F
C
D
Or
mayor
yes,
I
actually
put
this
on
the
second
page
of
my
red
line
on
as
number
five,
I
put
adopt
section
5.4
of
kenneth
city
in
its
entirety
at
it
to
conform,
because
I
do
think
that
you
are
the
presiding
officer
at
the
meeting,
who
decides
those
procedural
or
parliamentary
questions
and
can
enforce
these
items
and
5.4.3,
which
is,
after
all,
the
examples
you
know
gives
you
the
authority
to.
You
know
rule
that
someone
is
out
of
order
or
to
rule
on
a
question
by
any
other
council
member.
D
F
D
A
A
These
types
of
motions
shall
have
preference
in
the
order
in
which
they
are
mentioned,
and
motions
to
adjourn
or
to
lay
on
the
table
shall
be
decided
without
debate
upon
the
request
of
the
town
manager
or
town
attorney
made
prior
to
final
action
on
any
matter
that
shall
be
deferred
or
continued
to
virtual
future
council
agenda.
The
council
shall
vote
and
whenever
defer
or
to
continue
the
matter
as
requested.
E
Is
this
it's
just
basically
saying
that
you
know
when
you
have
a
motion,
that's
being
considered.
It's
second
for
discussion,
we're
really
not
going
to
accept
any
other
motion,
except
for
a
motion
to
postpone
or
emotion
to
continue,
and
although
it
breaks
them
up
into
a
couple
of
different
things,
state
certain
not
a
date
certain
and
so
forth.
That's
really
what
it's
all
about!
So
it's
basically
to
control
you
so
that,
for
example,
council
member
gannon
can't
say
you
know
I
want
to
prove
this.
E
That's
addressed,
then
that
one
would
go
away
for
example,
but
so
that's
what
that
paragraph
is
really
seeing.
The
the
interesting
thing
about
these
rules
of
debate
is:
is
this
one?
This
city
allows
the
mayor
to
second
any
motion
after
he
or
she
relinquishes
the
gavel
and
we've
never
really
addressed
that
here.
It's
always
been.
If
the
mayor
wants
to
make
a
motion,
he
can
pass
it,
but
we've
never
really
addressed
well.
E
E
You
know
when,
when
you
want
to
speak,
you
actually
need
to
get
the
presiding
officer,
and
they
get
this
case.
The
mayor
to
recognize
you
before
you
get
to
speak
and
once
you're
recognized
you're
not
going
to
be
interrupted
by
others.
E
Going
to
have
another
council
member
chime
in
until
you're
completely
done
with
whatever
you
wanted
to
say,
and
the
mayor
is
going
to
have
to
control
that
so,
and
I
know
that
in
a
less
sometimes
we're
in
a
less
formal
situation.
We're
friends-
and
you
know,
colleagues,
and
so
we
have
a
tendency
to
want
to
jump
in
when
the
conversation
is
going
on.
This
is
saying
no
you're
not
going
to
do
that.
C
E
E
A
E
Madeira
beach,
it
happens
quite
often
justine-
is
there
any
qualified
parliamentary
procedures
provide
for
it.
Yeah.
C
C
D
D
E
Going
to
be
the
presiding
officer,
he's
going
to
be
calling
for
discussion,
he's
going
to
be
controlling
who's
going
to
be
speaking,
and
then
ultimately,
you
know,
since
the
motion
has
already
been
made
in
second
he's,
going
to
call
for
the
motion,
so
the
vice
mayor
would
control
everything
at
that
point.
Once
the
gavel
is
passed.
E
E
Yeah
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
so
right
here,
you
know:
we've
never
allowed
the
mayor
to
make
any
motion.
Okay,
so
here
you
would
be
allowing
him
to
make
a
second
and
then,
if
you
wanted
to
actually
make
the
motion
he's
have
to
pass
the
gavel.
I
miss
I
misread
that
sentence,
so
yeah,
just
making
sure
and
yeah
you
guys
make
the
most.
You
can
see.
A
A
D
My
thoughts
are
I,
like
section,
5.2.1
questions
under
consideration.
I,
like
5.2.3
regarding
discussion.
I
like
5.2,
5.2.4
to
an
extent
it's
a
little
formal
for
me.
I
understand
the
intention
is,
for
the
worst
case
scenario
right
for
interruptions
or
or
fighting
you
know
during
a
discussion
period,
so
I'm
not
generally
opposed
to
it.
I
think
that
we
currently,
you
know,
conduct
ourselves
in
such
a
way
that
it's,
as
tom,
mentioned
slightly
conversational
at
times.
D
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
mayor
being
permitted
to
relinquish
the
gavel
to
make
a
motion.
That's
always
been
permitted
by
robert's
rules.
I
think
that's
fine.
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
adopt
anything
in
addition
to
what
robert's
rules
already
provides,
allowing
for
the
second
that
that
part,
I'm
not
sure
about.
E
So
that
would
just
mean
that
we
would
strike
out
the
words
second,
any
motion,
comma,
or
we
just
delete
that
and
it
would
read
the
mayor
after
relinquishing
the
gavel
may
make
them
make
any
motion
and.
F
If
we're
looking
back
at
the
orderly
meetings
section,
it
says
all
persons
in
attendance,
so
does
that
include
us
to
where,
if
somebody's
interrupting
and
out
of
order
can,
although
it
may
not
look
great
for
those
in
attendance
or
watching,
ask
that
a
council
member
be
removed
for
interrupting
or
being
out
of
order.
No
we're
not
gonna.
Do
that.
Okay,
just
carry
it.
C
H
G
I,
on
15
the
rules
of
debate.
I
my
only
question-
and
this
was
brought
up
to
me
recently-
is
the
common
courtesy
of
debate.
It's
my
understanding
that
whoever
makes
the
motion
speaks
first.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
that,
from
my
perspective,
like
that's.
C
C
E
D
D
I,
and
this
is
it's
not
exactly
addressed,
I
think
the
mayor
just
needs
to
as
the
presiding
officer
recognize
you.
D
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
formal
rule
that
after
you've
spoken
once
or
been
recognized
to
speak
on
an
issue.
You
can't
then
speak
again
on
an
issue.
If
that
is
a
rule,
I've
never
really
liked
that
rule.
Just
because
let's
say
I
make
a
motion
and
then
it's
seconded
and
then
we
have
a
discussion,
and
the
discussion
brings
up
a
point
by
councilmember
graber
that
I'd
love
to
address,
or
maybe
change
my
thought
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
I
I
often
feel
restricted
from
doing
so.
D
If
I've
been
recognized
once
now.
I
do
understand
that
it's
not
prudent
to
consistently
say
you
know,
okay.
Well,
what
do
you
think
on
that
point?
Well,
what
do
you
think
on
that
point?
You
know
you
can't
repeatedly
recognize
someone
if
it
gets
out
of
hand,
but
I'm
not
necessarily
saying
it
needs
to
be
added
here,
but
just
for
the
sake
of
full
clarity
and
disclosure.
I
have
no
problem
mayor
if
you
want
to
recognize
vice
mayor
or
council,
member
graber
or
council
member
nap
a
second
time
to
speak
on
and.
A
E
A
E
A
Council
members
are
prohibited
from
presenting
testifying
and
opin
opinion
during
the
public
hearing.
I
feel
like
a
pine
tree
or
something
all
right,
so
that's
open
for
discussion
who
would
like
to
go
first.
Anyone
vice
mayor
welcome.
Okay,
oh.
E
You
absolutely
have
a
right
to
comment
on
your
own
personal
property.
Okay,
we
shouldn't
be
making
a
decision
or
you
shouldn't
be
making
a
decision
up
here.
That
says
that
one
of
you
cannot
speak
on
an
item
that
will
definitely
affect
your
property,
have
some
adverse
effect
of
whatever
you
should
be
able
to
speak.
E
E
Is
in
the
cra
on
there
and
there's
an
issue
on
the
cra,
should
he
be
able
to
justify
because
he's
in
the
cra
so
or
you
know,
you're
all
members
of
the
you
all
live
in
the
city
and
everything
that
we
do
affects
the
city.
So
you
know
how
do
you?
How
are
we
going
to
deal
with
that?
But
I
definitely
think
you
should
have
the
opportunity
on
a
personal.
C
C
D
Mayor
just
one
thought
I
was
curious
as
to
whether
this
should
be
an
introductory
paragraph
or
if
it
should
go
under
the
elected
officials
subsection,
where
it
talks
about
to
make
presentations
regarding
to
the
matters
under
consideration.
It's
on
page
my
red
line
at
the
top
right
corner.
It
says
page
7
of
9..
D
I
actually
like
this
language
here
on
16,
better
than
what
I
put,
but
are
we
modifying
that
elected
officials
portion
or
are
we
adding
an
introductory
paragraph
specific
to
this
council
and
then
the
elected
officials?
Paragraph
applies
only
to
other
than
us
in
attendance.
D
D
C
A
E
You
know
I'll
play
around
with
that
and
figure
out
a
spot.
You
just
need
to
tell
me
if
you
want
it
in
here
I'll
figure
out
where
it
needs
to
go.
D
G
A
C
D
E
A
G
Mayor
I
want
to
go
back
to
item
10
for
a
brief
moment.
If
that's
okay,
okay,
sure
boards
and
committees.
G
The
language
that
was
proposed
but
meghan
was
serving
on
the
arts
committee
after
or
before,
and
during
the
time
I
got
elected.
Do
we
need
language
that
she
needs
to
be
removed
from
that
committee
if
or
just.
A
C
D
You
know
the
reason
that
that
I
bring
it
up
is
just
that
appearance
of
impropriety
and
putting
us
each
of
us
in
a
difficult
position
when
it
comes
to
sunshine
issues.
That's
really
all
it
is.
I
I
don't
question
the
obviously
the
desire
to
serve
the
community,
otherwise
your
spouses-
wouldn't
let
you
be
up
here
in
the
first
place
right
or
their
their
pure
intentions,
their
intelligence,
their
fantastic
ideas,
all
right.
All
of
that.
I
just
think
that
it.
D
A
C
C
C
A
D
I
think
critical
to
this
tom
was
your
review
in
this
sort
of
cheat
sheet
for
what
other
cities
do,
because
it's
compiling
this
information
and
providing
it
to
us
in
pdf
so
that
we
could
kind
of
go
through
it
and
be
like
oh
yeah.
That
is
good.
You
know,
because
we
don't
know
what's
out
there.
This
was
really
helpful
and,
of
course,
giving
us
suggestions
for
what's
worth
adopting
out
of
a
two-inch
stack
of
paper.
It
was
really
helpful.
So
thank.