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From YouTube: Historic Site Preservation Board | June 6 2023
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Regular Meeting of the City of Palm Springs Historic Site Preservation Board (HSPB), held June 6th, 2023
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A
A
Okay
motion
passes
five
to
to
zero,
so
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Historic,
Site
preservation
board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter
of
the
jurisdiction
of
the
board.
Although
the
historic
side,
preservation
board
values,
your
comments,
persuant
to
the
board,
the
brown
Act
It
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
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B
E
You
well
good
evening
board
members
and
staff.
I
would
like
to
speak
in
support
of
the
amendment
to
the
approval
of
the
illuminara
illuminaire
house
placement
in
the
Southport
parking
lot
of
the
museum
and
having
a
Luminaire
house
located
adjacent
to
the
museum
is
not
only
a
recognition
of
its
importance
in
Albert
Frey's
work,
but
a
spectacular
addition
to
the
Museum's
collection
combined
with
freyhouse
2
nearby.
This
is
an
extraordinary
educational
opportunity
and
Promises
to
attract
numerous
visitors.
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E
The
steel
fence
design
is
elegant
and
compatible
with
the
modern
design
of
the
house
and
has
no
impact
in
my
mind
on
the
Museum's
design
in
the
class
1
designation
of
the
museum.
The
parking
lots
listed
as
non-character
defining
features
so
therefore,
I
urge
you
to
approve
the
amendment
and
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
considering
this.
E
A
A
E
A
Okay
and
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
May,
2nd
2023.
Okay,
I
have
a
motion
by
Vice,
chair,
Nelson
and
a
second
by
member
Hanson.
Is
there
any
discussion
about
the
minutes
or
the
motion?
Any
discussions?
Okay,
seeing
none
I'll
call
for
the
question.
All
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye
any
opposed.
A
Let
us
now
proceed
through
agenda
item
2A
public
hearings,
and
this
is
regarding
application
by
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
possible
historic
designation
of
karakia
pension
hotel
located
at
257
South
potencio
Road
I
see
on
the
agenda
that
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
continue
this
item
to
a
date.
Certain
of
our
July
6
2023
meeting
so
may
I
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
Please.
A
I'm,
sorry,
it
is,
is
it
the
fifth
I
just
wanted
to
oh
yeah,
it's
July
5th,
July
5th.
So
my
mistake,
sorry,
thank
you.
You're,
always
good
Janet
at
getting
those
dates
exactly
right,
details,
okay,
so
so
I
would
like
to
have
a
motion
to
continue
the
item
to
July
5th
and
so
I
I
have
a
motion
by
members,
member
Miller
and
a
second
by
member
Hanson,
and
so
is
there
discussion
about
this
this
motion
and
why
we
are
recommending
to
continue
Sarah.
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A
E
A
F
F
Which
is
way
better
to
open
up
a
video
and
great
wonderful,
so
item
or
a
the
pump
brings
Art
Museum
Incorporated
represented
by
Sanborn
architecture.
Group
Incorporated
requests
approval
to
amend
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
alteration
to
the
illuminaire
health
project.
One
historic
fight
located
at
101,
North,
Museum,
Drive
hfpb
number
35
is
3.33
reviewer
Sarah.
F
B
Yes,
okay,
perfect
all
right,
so
the
application
before
hspb
today
is
a
request
to
amend
the
previously
approved
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
installation
of
the
sculpture
garden
and
the
final
design
of
the
site.
The
specific
item
up
for
discussion
is
related
to
the
existing
perimeter
wall
around
the
south
parking
lot
and
the
newly
proposed
funds
we're
taking
a
look
at
the
site
context
here.
The
area
in
question
is
highlighted
in
red
and
it's
on
the
parcel
that
contains
the
Palm
Springs
Art
Museum.
B
B
After
considering
various
needs
for
the
installation
of
the
illuminaire
house,
the
museum
has
indicated
that
a
taller
wall
or
taller
fence
around
the
installation
is
recommended
for
security
purposes
and
the
existing
and
not
the
existing
three
foot
tall
perimeter
concrete
wall
would
not
be
sufficient.
These
are
images
of
the
perimeter
wall
as
seen
today.
B
We
can
see
that
the
wall
is
a
it's
stripped
of
ornamentation
or
any
sort
of
ornamental
detail.
It
maintains
an
unfinished
surface
treatment
and
on
the
right
side,
you
see
a
very
specific
type
of
wall,
detail
that
you
see
throughout
the
museum.
A
perimeter
wall
around
the
main
Museum
uses
these
vertically
grooved
details
on
the
wall,
so
it's
kind
of
a
juxtaposition
of
what
we
see
on
that
site,
so
the
work.
B
This
is
in
the
staff
report
as
well,
but
during
that
review
of
the
application
back
in
2021
staff
did
suggest
the
following
list
of
character,
defining
features
and
non-character
defining
features
for
the
research
or
for
the
resource.
Excuse
me
to
further
clarify
the
designation
at
the
time
of
the
initial
designation.
This
wasn't
clarified
during
this
review.
The
board
identified
the
perimeter
wall
around
the
south
parking
lot.
As
a
as
a
non-character-defining
feature,
however,
staff
staff
identified
it
as
a
non-character-defining
feature.
B
However,
at
that
meeting,
the
board
did
identify
that
perimeter
wall
around
the
soft
parking
lot
as
a
character,
defining
feature
and
requested
that
the
future
perimeter
wall
around
the
illuminaire
house
matched
that
design
stops.
Assessment
of
this
wall
continues
to
classify
it
as
a
non-character
defining
feature,
but
in
light
of
the
request
for
the
remove
of
the
wall,
staff
recommends
hspb,
take
a
look,
and
maybe
reevaluate
this
feature
to
determine
if
it
is
indeed
character,
defining
or
if
the
removal
of
the
wall
is
of
normal
impact.
B
Foreign
has
proposed
a
new
five
foot
tall
fence
using
a
tube
steel
with
the
individual
members
spaced.
In
a
way
that
provides
for
visual
transparency,
the
applicant
did
provide
two
renderings
that
came
a
little
bit
later.
You
can
see
in
the
slides
here
of
what
that
may
look
like
the
highlighted
area
that
you
see
on
the
left
of
the
site
shows
where
that
new
fence
would
be
installed.
B
Fence
it
does
meet
the
criteria
for
alterations
to
a
class
one
site.
The
design
does
not
visually
or
materially
impair
the
character,
defining
features
and
is
considerably
distanced
from
the
art
museum,
the
mass
scale
and
materials
and
even
the
proportions
of
the
fence
do
not
negatively
impact
the
historic
nature
of
the
site,
and
it
does
remain
subordinate
to
the
landmark.
B
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
perimeter
offense
of
the
tube
steel
is
appropriate
with
the
conditions,
with
the
condition
that
the
location
needs
to
either
meet
the
five
foot
setback
required
by
zoning
or
the
applicant
needs
to
submit
for
an
administrative,
minor
modification
application
and
the
complete
removal
of
the
existing
perimeter.
Concrete
wall
is
appropriate
if
it
no
longer
is
considered
a
contributing
feature
or
determined
a
minimal
alteration
with
that
staff
is
available
to
take
any
questions
related
to
the
staff
report.
B
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F
B
D
G
With
marmal
red
senior
in
Los
Angeles,
thank
you
very
much.
I
am
here
as
a
member
of
the
Board
of
Trustees,
the
museum
has
hired
Alan
Sanborn
as
our
executive
architect
and
a
design
team
to
lead
this
entire
effort
so
number
one.
The
new
proposed
metal
fence
is
in
fact,
going
to
be
located
five
feet
back
from
the
property
line
and
is
being
proposed.
Therefore,
at
a
height
of
six
feet,
the
request
to
remove
the
existing
concrete
wall
is
coming
specifically
from
the
security
department
at
the
Museum.
G
The
security
department
is
concerned
because
they
have
had
issues
with
people
attempting
to
sleep
behind
that
solid,
concrete
wall
and
they
requested
an
open
fence
design.
So
they
can
see
the
the
entire
property
if
it
were
left
up
to
the
security
department,
we
would
absolutely
have
no
Landscaping
as
well,
but
they
were
willing
to
compromise
and
let
us
install
some
Landscaping
to
soften
the
edge
and
to
soften
the
existence
of
that
perimeter.
Security
fence,
but
they
felt
it
was
important
to
have
a
consistent
enclosure
around
the
exhibition
to
protect
the
site.
G
G
D
D
G
D
G
Team,
as
I
said,
was
led
by
Alan
Sanborn,
but
we
also
had
historic,
Architects
and
Francis
campani
and
Michael
swarding,
who,
who
kind
of
led
the
historical
process
and
and
so
with
that.
We
then
went
before
the
entire
Board
of
Trustees
to
get
approval,
to
raise
the
funds
to
execute
this
project
and
approve
the
design
which
they
did
in
fact
approve.
So
the
Board
of
Trustees
approved
the
effort
and
it
was
led
by
a
museum
team.
Okay,.
D
D
G
F
G
F
C
Yeah
thanks
Mr
marmal.
The
plans
show
that
the
color
of
the
fencing
is
going
to
be
done.
Edwards
Vulcan,
but
I
don't
have
any
real
indication
as
to
what
that
color
is
I'm,
assuming
it's
a
gray
or
a
silver.
But
could
you
speak
to
the
actual
color
of
the
steel,
fencing
and
then
also?
What
is
the
sheen
going
to
be
on
the
fencing
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
sheen?
G
Actually
is
Alan
Sanborn
on
the
call
I.
Would
love
Alan's
help
on
that
I
believe
Vulcan
is
in
fact
a
gray.
Color
and
I
can't
speak
to
the
sheen
per
se,
but
it
is
just
a
narrow,
picket
fence,
so
there
shouldn't
be
any
glare
issues
or
anything
like
that
with
narrow
pickets,
Leo
I'm.
Here,
oh
great,
could
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
the
actual
color.
H
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
kind
of
a
there's,
a
silver
it's
a
silver
color
base,
but
I
would
reference
it
more
with
a
gray
kind
of
a
gray
mixture.
But
it's
meant
to
sort
of
be
pick
up
sort
of
the
Luminaire
house
coloring
that
we
have
going
on
and
but
not
be
really
bright.
It's
very
muted
and
it
would
be
in
a
matte
finish.
So
there
is
no,
it's
not
a
high
gloss.
So
to
speak.
That's
the
thing.
F
B
D
Right,
okay,
so
I
think
I
was
actually
there
I
think
I'm.
Sorry
I
must
be
getting
old.
I.
Just
don't
remember
the
discussion
to
be
completely
honest
with
all
these
about
the
this
perimeter
wall
as
a
character,
defining
feature
and
I
was
I
mean
in
a
way
it's
moot
because
I'm
in
favor
of
taking
it
out
but
I'm
just
a
little
curious,
especially
when
the
parking
lots
themselves,
weren't
contributors.
Why
would
we
have
made
a
retaining
wall
around
it,
a
contributing
feature,
but
I?
Sorry,
I,
don't
know.
D
F
B
F
B
F
Second
page
of
attachment
fee
on
the
draft
report
here
the
letter
from
Sanborn
architecture,
which
is
extremely
helpful.
It
basically
comes
back
and
answers
all
the
points
that
the
subcommittee
had
and
I
was
very
appreciative
of.
That
I
did
have
two
questions
about
items
three
and
four
on
that
letter
from
Sanborn,
and
it
says
that
existing
flagpole
or
free
property
and
we
require
the
permission
to
be
removed,
and
likewise
the
existing
feeding
belonged
to
the
city
and
it's
part
of
the
Heritage
trail
bike
trail.
F
You
know
with
that
kind
of
terracotta
color,
so
if,
in
fact,
the
city's
planning
to
leave
those
items
which
it
sounds
like
the
plan
has
there
been
any
discussion
of
making
them
integrate
better
like
painting
them
gray
or
anything
like
that,
and
so
much
attention
and
care
has
been
devoted
to
the
Aesthetics
of
that
thing
and
the
decomposed
granite
and
everything
else.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
death
will
also
kind
of
blend
in
there.
B
So
I'm
not
aware
of
any
ongoing
discussions
related
to
those
features,
but
I
can
certainly
bring
them
up
at
the
time
of
the
the
review
itself
and
I'm
not
I'll
have
to
confirm
with
the
Departments
that
are
in
charge
of
those
features
and
their
upkeep
and
maintenance.
So
I
can
certainly
make
a
note
here.
F
Okay,
great
I
would
like
to
the
draft
to
recommend
to
the
applicant
and
the
city
that
consideration
be
given
to
paint
those
features
or
stay
in
the
concrete
or
whatever.
It
is.
That's
required
to
make
it
kind
of
integrate
more
with
that
side,
because
that
is
a
very
high
visibility
corner,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
goes
with
the
Improvement
that
are
being
conducted.
F
C
C
I
just
think,
if
it's,
if
it's
shiny,
the
issue
is,
if
it's
shiny,
it's
going
to
detract
even
more
from
the
sort
of
the
subtle
Earth
Tones
of
the
rest
of
the
museum
site
and
I.
Understand
that
the
desire
to
make
this
security
fencing
match
with
the
adjacent
illuminaire
house.
But
if
it's
too
shiny,
it
will
begin
to
really
detract
I
think
from
the
fact
that
it
is
part
of
the
museum
site.
That
was
my
concern
in
bringing
that
up
to
begin
with.
F
F
So
that
is
a
an
amendment
to
the
motion
that
we
make
sure
the
paint
finish
on
the
new
geofencing
is
a
matte
finish
and
I
would
reflect
to
further
clarify
whether
that
is
just
an
applied
pain
or
if
it's
a
factory
applied,
not
finished
powder
coat.
Just
because
we're
looking
at
something
that
is
obviously
going
to
be
in
the
full
sun
and
will
be
exposed
to
the
elements
at
all
time.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
require
constant,
repainting
or
care.
D
C
F
F
D
A
So
I
have
returned
to
the
meeting
it's
603
and
thank
you,
Vice,
chair
Nelson,
for
handling
those
that
item
so
with
no
other
agenda
items.
Let
us
proceed
to
a
board
member
comments
and
I
would
just
like
to
begin
by
saying
that
we
all
had
our
follow-up
duties
after
the
preservation
matters,
Symposium,
lots
of
follow-ups
and
thank
yous
and
and
so
I've
completed.
A
My
follow-up
items
for
the
Symposium
and
I
would
like
to
request
that
we
have
a
preservation,
Symposium
follow-up
meeting,
ideally
within
the
next
two
weeks,
if
possible.
This
would
include
our
our
subcommittee
and
the
staff
and
I
would
hope
that
our
subcommittee
and
staff
would
agree
that
we
could
get
together
and
just
do
the
follow-up,
and
you
know,
kind
of
concluding.
A
It
took
a
while
to
recover
and
I
realized
that
so,
but
I
think
we
should
tap
a
follow-up.
So
so
that's
my
recommendation
and
maybe
we
can
communicate
by
email
with
some
suggested
dates.
Maybe
Sarah.
If
you
want
to
see
when
you
might
be
available
and
suggest
a
few
dates
to
us,
and
then
we
can.
Let
us
let
you
know
what
what
works
for
everybody.
So
is
that
good
with
Vice,
chair
Nelson
and
member
Hansen
and
her
cat,
who
I
see
is
in
the
audience
hi
Dick,
so.
B
A
D
F
F
A
F
Yes,
I
didn't
bring
it
up
during
the
discussion
on
the
illuminaire,
because
I'm,
not
a
licensed
landscape,
professional
and
I,
didn't
feel
it
was
really
necessary.
But
at
this
time
I
just
didn't
want
to
say
that
I
feel
like
there's.
A
lot
of
trees
proposed
around
that
remember
and
I
was
going
to
bring
it
up,
but
then
I
bit
my
tongue,
so
I'm
saying
it
now,
just
so
you're
aware,
but
there's
18
taboo
trees
and
15,
Carolina,
fairies
and
so
I.
F
Don't
know
if
they're
trying
to
create
the
impression
or
the
illusion
that
this
is
the
kind
of
I'll
wait
for
a
wooded
area
kind
of
like
the
original
setting.
But
there
are
some
disadvantages
to
triple
trees
that
invasive
they
have
groups
that
can
destroy
sidewalks
and
Pathways.
So
I'm.
Just
putting
this
up,
the
staff
is
aware
and
I'll
be
sending
my
direct
concerns
on
there
so
that
they
can
Pat
them
onto
the
applicant
so
that
venue
fad
I
was
also
at
the
Plaza
La
Plaza.
F
F
F
It
looks
somewhat
hazardous,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
class
wanted
to
excite
that
that
that
huge
property
is
being
stuck
down
by
code
enforcement
because
it
seemed
like
there's,
probably
some
obvious
violations
or
comforting
thing
there
that
are
not
fake
and
I
worry
about
potential
fire
or
other
things
like
that
being
caught
by
all
of
the
ex-emporaneous
wires
and
things
like
that,
and
they
also
don't
make
this
fight.
Look
any
prettier
on
the
flip
side.
F
So
that
was
very
encouraging
and
very
nice
to
see,
and
the
last
thing
is
the
last
information
we
received
from
chat
regarding
the
Bank
of
America,
with
further
complications
discovered
due
to
structural
issues
with
the
roof
joists
that
extend
out
into
the
canopy,
and
so
it
seemed
like
there
will
be
yet
another
hold
up
in
this
long
and
advocative
respiration
process.
So
hopefully
that
will
there's
something
to
that
effect
in
this
job
report
otherwise
definitely
happen.
Thank
you.
A
B
So
my
understanding
is
that
interviews
will
be
conducted
very
soon
by
city
council.
I
know
that
the
notification
for
the
openings
have
been
sent
out,
I
believe
most
of
our
board
members
who
were
wanting
to
reapply
have
already
done
so,
and
they
should
be
hearing
back
soon.
If
they
haven't
already
maybe
Rosa
did
you
have
a
statement.
A
E
A
B
Thank
you
so
there's
there's
a
number
of
things
going
on
at
the
Bank
of
America.
As
everyone
is
able
to
see
the
curtain
wall
project
has
been
under
underway,
there's
also
a
painting
scheme.
That's
going
on
on
the
exterior
I
believe
a
member
Nelson
mentioned
really
briefly,
as
they
were
peeling
back
the
the
construction.
B
They
are
realizing
that
there
are
issues
with
the
existing
trusses
which
are
wooden,
which
was
a
surprise
to
us
all
and
there's
some
rot
there,
and
so
they
are
doing
a
lot
of
repair
and
maintenance
as
this
project
moves
forward.
But
we
are
confident
that
the
team
is
doing
the
best
in
terms
of
the
restoration
efforts
they
are
in
full
communication
with
staff,
and
so
we
are
working
with
them
diligently
to
make
sure
that
that
restoration
continues
forward.