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From YouTube: Measure J Commission | May 19 2022
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The City of Palm Springs Measure J Oversight Commission meeting, held May 19th, 2022
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We
do
catherine
hatch
would
like
to
provide
comments.
However,
I
no
longer
see
her
yeah.
She
is
no
longer
in
the
meeting
she
wanted
to
discuss
the
state
of
the
public
parks
yeah.
She
is
no
longer
in
the
meeting
before
the
record.
Vice
chair
soto
joined
the
meeting
at
5
32,
I'm
not
sure
if
you'd
like
to
move
forward
without
public
comments
or
whether
you'd
like
to
come
back.
If
she
does
join
the
meeting
again.
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Let's
come
back
if,
if,
when
she
comes
back,
she
gets
here
as
well
so-
and
I
think
jim
is
somebody
who
would
like
a
zoom
link.
If
you
could
yes
we'll
do
it.
Okay,
so
welcome
comments.
So
we
are
continuing
with
our
process
of
trying
to
make
recommendations
for
the
measure
j
nancy.
You
have
something
to
say.
F
Hi
I
just
want
to
let
you
know,
I'm
very
excited
to
tell
you
that
we
have
a
joint
meeting
with
the
city
council,
scheduled
for
our
buddy
budget
session
meeting
on
may
8th
between
one
and
four.
So
we
need.
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F
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So
if
we
could
actually
take
some
action
tonight
and
at
least
the
2223
budget,
we
can
always
go
back
in
the
next
couple
of
sessions
and
go
through
the
rest
of
the
years
and
then
go
back
to
the
council
at
a
later
date.
But
if
we
can
at
least
get
through
22
23
and
provide
that
to
city
council,
we
could
have
you
come
to
the
joint
meeting
on
june
8th.
A
Okay,
terrific,
I
do
think,
there's
a
couple
things
which
we
have
not,
which
we
were
sort
of
waiting
to
get
some
more
feedback.
I
know
we
mentioned
some
community
initiated
projects
from
parks
and
rec.
So
potentially,
when
we
make
our
recommendations,
we
can
also
have
some
placeholders
in
there
as
well,
so
that
we
can
give
us
complete
a
view
as
possible.
A
They
did
also
discuss
at
the
last
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
about
the
commissions.
They
have,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
took
action.
They've
talked
about
reducing
the
size
of
commissions
over
time,
I
think
through
attrition,
as
opposed
to
kicking
people
off.
They
do
not
want
to
have
council
liaisons,
but
they
did
discuss
either
a
quarterly
meeting
with
the
chair
or
reports
or
minutes.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
action
we're
taking
there.
Those
are
the
main
comments,
but
we
are.
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We
do
have
two
special
guests,
so
we
have
captain
mike
kovalov
from
the
bottom
springs
police
officer,
and
we
have
the
chief
of
the
fire
fire
department
from
palm
springs.
So
I
know
that
and
on
our
last
measure
j
there
was
two
major
expenses
for
both
police
and
fire,
and
the
commission
had
not
been
briefed
on
the
details
of
what
the
plans
are.
A
So
this
was
a
great
time
to
have
that
information
relayed
and
for
us
to
ask
any
questions
that
may
come
up,
so
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time.
So
that's
the
end
of
my
comments
and
we'll
go
to
the
budget
update
and
then
that
would
be
discussions.
F
Okay,
just
want
to
let
you
know,
I
think
I
sent
out
the
same
sheet
last
meeting,
but
that's
okay.
As
of
april
30th,
we
have
collected
13.3
million
compared
to
the
prior
year,
which
was
11.2
million,
which
brings
us
approximately
2.2
million
more
than
we
anticipated
any
questions
with
that.
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F
Think
if
time
allowed
it
chris,
my
assistant
had
done
a
five-year
projection,
as
commissioner
robbins
had
requested,
and
so
we'll
show
you
how
there
is
enough
money
throughout
the
five-year
program.
We
can
either
do
that
tonight
or
if
we
don't
have
time
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
it
at
the
next
meeting.
When
we
start
talking
about
additional
years
rather
than
22
and
23.
A
Okay,
let's
see
if
we
can
move
that
to
the
end,
if
there
is
time,
but
I
don't
want
to
keep
our
special
guests
waiting
and
but
we
do
have
two
public
comments.
So
let's
go
back
to
that.
I
think
I
think
she's
back
now
is
that
right,
evelyn,
yes,.
B
A
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's
continue
because
on
our
on
our
the
five-year
capital
plan,
we
had
some
major
expenses
both
for
fire
and
police,
and
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
if
we'd
review,
I
think
the
only
police
one
was
the
police
radios,
which
is
also
police
empire.
Is
that
correct,
joel.
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F
I
think
it's
actually
city-wide.
H
Yes,
would
you
like
jeffrey
you'd
like
me,
to
comment?
Yes,
please
first
off!
Thank
you
all
for
being
a
part
of
a
city
commission,
it's
wonderful
to
work
in
a
city
where
there's
so
much
community
involvement.
H
So
what
we're
requesting
from
the
city
is
the
purchase
of
a
city-wide
radio
system
as
a
background
in
2008
we
purchased
radios
for
the
police,
the
fire,
the
airport
and
all
of
our
city
streets
and
facilities,
crews
under
a
system
that
we're
currently
operating
in,
which
is
called
the
erika
system
erica.
It
stands
for
eastern
riverside,
county
interoperability,
commissions
authority,
all
of
the
cities
in
erica
have
elected
and
to
make
a
transition
to
what
is
called
psec,
which
is
a
county-wide
communications
system,
so
we're
we
each
have
an
elected
official.
H
That's
part
of
erica.
We've
made
that
decision.
Our
current
radio
system
is
somewhat
obsolete.
It
works
now.
It's
no
longer
under
warranty
and
basically
they're
no
longer
serviceable.
The
parts
aren't
being
made
for
it
because
they're
14
years
old,
so
what
we
need
to
do
is
purchase
all
new
portable
radios,
which
are
like
handheld
walkie-talkies
and
mobile
radios,
which
are
the
consoles
that
go
into
the
fire
trucks,
the
police,
cars
and
other
emergency
vehicles
for
the
whole
city.
That
includes
the
airport
and
all
of
our
facilities,
crew.
H
H
The
city
will
receive
approximately
488
000
in
federal,
grant
funding
to
offset
some
of
the
costs,
but
that
three
and
a
half
million
figure
is
probably
about
where
it's
at.
This
is
something
we're
going
to
have
to
do.
Unfortunately,
just
like
everything
and
everybody's
house
technology,
changes
and
radio
systems
have
changed
over
the
last
14
years,
so
we
need
to
upgrade
and
it
will
also
increase
all
of
our
operability.
H
That's
a
great
question:
you
know
I
think
something
can
be
maybe
perhaps
sold
for
parts,
but
the
whole
these
all
these
radios
are
going
to
be
ultimately
obsolete.
I
mean
they
could
be
used
for
parts,
but
that
would
have
to
go
through
the
whole
procurement
process
to
auction
them
off
what
that
would
result
in
revenue
back
to
the
city.
I
think
I
I
really
couldn't
even
estimate
what
that
would
be
because
everybody
that's
using
these
radios
has
to
do
what
we're
doing
essentially.
E
H
I
believe
right
now,
it's
estimated
for
another
10
years.
It's
really
taken
us
into
the
future.
With
these
things
and
there's
just
a
lot
more
capabilities,
it's
it's
the
current
system.
You
know
we're
limited
on
how
many
channels
we
can
have
and
with
the
new
proposed
system
through
psec
and
new
technology,
that's
available.
The
expansion
is
unlimited
on
basically,
but
right
now.
I
believe
the
estimates
are
10
years.
H
F
It's
hard
to
be
chatty
kathy
today
we're
trying
to
create
a
couple
of
internal
service
funds
so
that
we
can
charge
based
upon
the
10
years
if
it's
a
10
year,
we're
going
to
start
charging
the
police
department
or
every
city
who
uses
the
radio
is
based
upon
the
number
of
radios
for
the
10
years,
almost
like
a
cip
project.
So
when
we
get
to
10
years
year,
10
we're
going
to
have
the
money
to
replace
those.
F
That
would
be
nice,
but
I
don't
so
some
some
grants
are
reimbursable,
that
you
have
to
buy
the
radios
and
show
proof
that
you
purchased
them
and
they'll
give
you
the
money
and
others
are
they
give
you
the
money
up
front,
but
you
have
to
spend
it
within
so
many
years,
so
we
always
have
to
see
what
the
grant
requirements
are.
We
might
if
the
grant
says
we
have
to
spend
it
within
two
years
and
we
will
go
ahead
and
use
that
grant
funding.
First.
F
F
E
F
A
I
A
Okay,
no
more
questions
for
the
captain.
J
Oh
great,
thank
you.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
having
trouble
connecting
my
video,
so
I'm
I
just
connected
by
phone.
I
haven't
done
zoom
since
my
kids
were
on
zoom
school.
So
I
I
don't
know
I've
never
done
this
before,
but
I
wanted
to
address
the
condition
of
the
playgrounds
in
palm
springs.
J
J
I
find
our
parks
to
be
sort
of
an
embarrassment,
and
I
was
really
disappointed
when
I
took
my
three
sons
to
the
new
one
in
front
of
the
art
museum
to
discover
it
had
several
homeless
people
sleeping
in
and
around
it,
and
one
person
was
yelling
at
me
and
my
kids
and
we
won't
be
going
back
there.
J
I
know
that
that's
not
specifically
for
children,
so
it
maybe
doesn't
apply
to
my
general
point
here,
but
I'm
wondering
how
our
playgrounds
are
maintained.
How
often
are
they
cleaned
I
and
many
of
many
parents
that
I
know
we
frequently
travel
to
other
desert
cities
like
rancho
mirage
and
palm
desert,
or
even
cat
city
in
order
to
access
cleaner,
more
updated
and
shaded
playgrounds
that
don't
have
homeless
people
in
or
near
them.
J
In
spite
of
having
more
children,
I
think
in
more
resources
than
other
desert
cities,
it
seems
palm
springs,
spends
less
on
them,
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
what
this
says
to
the
children
and
the
families
that
live
here.
I
think
we
need
to
remodel
our
playgrounds,
update
their
the
play
structures
so
that
they
can
better
withstand
the
high
temperatures
so
that
they
have
shade
for
both
kids
and
families.
J
We
can
look
to
many
other
cities
like
brooklyn,
which
is
where
I
moved
from
that
did
this
well.
I
think
we
should
also
consider
passing
a
measure
that
bans
adults
who
are
unaccompanied
by
minors
to
enter
or
be
within
a
certain
distance
from
play
structures
again.
Brooklyn
or
many
playgrounds
in
new
york
do
this.
Thirdly,
palm
springs,
kids
need
water
features.
J
Many
of
the
people
who
live
here
the
families
that
live
here
year
round,
can't
afford
to
travel
to
cooler
places,
and
they
also
can't
even
afford
to
go
down
desert
to
better
playgrounds,
especially
with
inflation
and
soaring
gas
prices.
I
think
we
should
find
a
way
to
show
our
youngest
residents
and
our
families
that
we
support
and
value
them
by
offering
safe
fun
and
enjoyable
playgrounds,
and
that's
that's.
It.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
catherine.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
you
may
have
missed
the
introduction
we
based
on
the
brown
act.
We
can't
actually
respond,
but
we
are
all
listening
and
and
taking
your
comments
on
that
part.
So
we
can't
discuss
non-agenda
items
at
the
meeting,
so
we're
not
right.
We
want
to
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
just
know
that
we're
not
being
ignored.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
should
move
to
chief
chief
nalder.
Now
there
was
two
items
on
the
measure
j
discussion.
A
One
is
the
the
fire
training
which
facility,
which
we
had
discussed
previously
on
its
own
and
then
at
the
last
meeting
we
see
in
the
five-year
plan
is
obviously
the
20-year
relocation
of
the
20
million
dollar
relocation
of
fire
station
1.
and
the
commission
hasn't
really
been
briefed
on
this.
So
it
would
be
helpful
for
you
to
explain
why
this
is
being
asked
and
what
it
results
in
then.
I
know
there
was
some
specific
questions
from
commissioners
on
it.
G
G
So
our
current
fire
station
downtown
is
65
years
old
and
when
it
was
built,
it
was
built
to
the
fire
industry
at
that
time
and
that
industry
has
changed
over
the
65
years.
G
Additionally,
the
city
has
grown
in
the
past
65
years
immensely
and
the
location
of
fire
stations
need
to
be
strategically
located,
both
individually
and
in
relationship
to
other
fire
stations
and
that
fire
station
number
one.
The
footprint
that
it
sits
on
will
not
accommodate
a
modern
fire
station
and
the
vehicles
and
all
of
the
other
features
that
are
necessary
in
a
modern
fire
station
number.
Two.
The
fire
station
is
only
approximately
a
minute
away
from
our
western
city
border,
the
mountains
and
another
three
miles
or
you
know
it'll
take
about.
G
You
know
eight
to
ten
minutes
to
get
to
the
next
closest
station.
At
the
other
end
of
the
city,
which
is
fire
station
number
two,
when
you're
going
east
to
west,
so
what
we're
asking
is
to
relocate
the
fire
fire
station
on
a
parcel
of
land
more
strategically
located.
What
we
try
and
get
is
a
travel
time
of
four
minutes
and
if
we
locate
it
give
or
take-
and
this
is
based
on
a
gis
data
and
a
strategic
plan
that
we
had
done
last
year-
it
would
place
it
at
approximately
chocolates
and
avenidas.
G
Caballeros
is
a
really
good
location
for
that
fire
station.
There
is
some
land
on
all
four
corners
at
least
well.
At
least
two
of
the
corners
would
not
impact
anything.
One
of
the
corners
is
actually
a
large
vacant
lot
that
is
available,
and
if
we
go,
you
know
a
couple
of
blocks
either
direction
of
that
we
would
be
fine
as
well
and
usually
what
you
do
is
is
once
you
decide
to
move
forward
with
this.
G
You
get
a
firm
to
come
in
and
do
all
of
that
property
citing
and
location
citing
and
determine
how
and
then
you
have
community
meetings.
It's
it's
a
it's
quite
a
process.
I
won't
get
into
all
the
details
of
that,
but
that's
usually
what
occurs
when
you're
doing
the
sighting
of
the
station,
but
I'm
just
giving
you
a
general
idea
of
where
it
needs
based
on
gis
data
to
be
located
and
that's
it
for
the
fire
station,
but
that
cost
that
was
requested
is
not
just
for
a
fire
station.
G
It's
additionally
for
a
training
facility,
a
training
tower.
Additionally,
an
eoc
and
the
eoc
would
be
jointly
used
for
classroom
time
for
the
firefighters.
It
will
be
used
for
other
city
employees
to
be
able
to
use
it,
and
it
will
also
be
used
to
do
emergency
eoc
as
the
emergency
operation
center
for
emergency
operations
center
training.
G
So
you
know
there:
it
it'll
have
multiple
and
a
community
meeting
place
as
well,
so
it
would
have
a
multi-purpose
use
in
how
we
we
would
design
that
facility
as
well.
G
G
G
C
Sure
I
know
in
previous
agendas
we
had
since
last
year.
Actually
the
training
tower
has
been
listed.
B
C
Over
the
course
of
the
year
now,
this
is
kind
of
bubbled
to
the
surface
that
station
one
and
we've
known
of
this
too.
It's
been
on
our
agendas
is
very
antiquated.
As
far
as
building
a
tower
would
other
communities
use
that
tower
for
training
as
well.
Would
it
be
just
palm
springs
or
would
dhs
fire
department
or
any
other
fire
departments,
utilize
that
that
facility,
that
training.
G
So
almost
every
single
incident,
even
a
small
single
family
residence
fire
that
we
respond
to
requires
mutual
and
automatic
aid
from
other
fire
departments.
So
the
majority
of
our
mutual
and
automatic
aid
comes
from
cal
fire
who
does
the
entire
valley,
except
for
cathedral
city
and
palm
springs?
So
it's
either
cathedral
city,
fire
or
cal
fire
that
respond.
G
They
either
respond
to
the
scene
depending
on
the
size
of
the
incident
or
they
respond
to
backfill
our
fire
stations
because
most
fires
exhaust
all
of
our
all
of
our
resources.
In
the
city.
We
just
don't
have
a
big
enough
city
or
enough
stations
or
enough
firefighters
to
handle
a
structure
fire
individually.
So
so
yes,
and
what
we
would
do,
what
we
we
call
it
multi-company
operation
drills.
G
C
Great
so
one
last
question
in
relation
to
that,
I
know
that
what
made
us
consider
the
tower
is
that
someone
from
your
department
spoke
to
us
about
a
year
ago
going
to
a
thousand
palms.
It
takes
staff
away
trucks
away
from
the
city.
In
case
there
was
an
emergency
and
then
they've
got
to
travel.
You
know
several
miles
back
back
into
palm
springs
at
the
time.
It
was
our
understanding
that
that
tower
may
be
located
where
your
training
facility
is
right
now
off.
C
The
tarmac
one
concern
I
have
at
least
individually
is
the
location
of
that
tower
if
it
were
to
be
off
of
chocolates.
C
When
I
look
at
that
that
plot
of
land
that
you're
looking
at
I
mean
that
butts
right
up
to
a
lot
of
condominium
homes-
and
I
just
I
don't
know-
I
get
a
little
leery
of
seeing
a
40-foot
or
50-foot
tower
and
then
training
happening
there.
So
I
don't
know
how
open
is
the
fire
department
to
you
know
maybe
possibly
having
just
that
facility
located
at
the
airport,
where
it
might
be
a
little
more
appropriate.
G
You
know
yeah
that
that's
true
and
the
reason
we
were
going
to
do.
That
is
because
we
were
actually
looking
at
doing
a
different
type
of
training
tower.
That's
actually
been
on
the
books
for
over
10
years
to
get
this
done,
and
that
is
a
modular
training
tower
made
out
of
actually
con
xbox
type
structure.
G
You
know
other
than
the
sound
of
the
fire
engines,
it's
actually
fairly
unobtrusive
to
the
surrounding
residents
and
businesses,
because
we
wouldn't
be
doing
burn
drills
that
would
would
produce
smoke.
Have
you
say
the
smoke
that
we
use
would
be
an
artificial
smoke
that
once
it
leaves
the
training
tower
it
just
dissipates
immediately.
G
If
we
needed
to
do
live,
burn
training,
we'd
go
elsewhere,
we
use
propane,
which
is
a
clean
burning
fuel
for
the
props
that
we
would
put
in
this
tower.
So
this
is
a
brick
and
mortar
tower
that
we're
looking
at
the
one
on
the
airport.
We've
got
a
challenge
there
because
of
the
faa
and
doing
live
burns.
So
most
of
our
live
burns
were
either
going
to
follow
nfpa
standards
and
use
a
vacant
structure
structure.
G
That's
going
to
be
torn
down,
and
you
know,
get
the
get
the
environmental
protection
agency
involved
in
approving,
allowing
us
to
do
that,
or
we
would
probably
go
to
riverside
where
they
actually
have
some
open
areas
at
the
moreno
valley
college
that,
where
they
do
all
of
their
training
and
have
live,
burn
train
facilities,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
like.
We
wouldn't
be
burning,
pallets
and
making
black
smoke,
and
you
know
causing
unobtrusive
type
of
actions.
This
is
more
for
us
to
do
our
evolutions.
G
G
Is
that
it's
not
it's
just
like
the
ladder
truck,
it's
the
far
edge
of
the
city
and
it
you
know
it's
just
it's
easier
that
that
station
will
be
almost
right
in
the
center
of
palm
springs,
so
all
of
our
stations
would
be
able
to
get
there
and
if
they
had
to
bump
out,
because
we
started
getting
a
high
volume
of
calls,
then
they
could
kick
out
and
they'd
be
much
closer
to
their
first
due
districts.
K
Yeah,
actually
I
want
to
talk
about
that
tower
about
what
I'm
concerned
is
so
close
to
downtown
or
expanding
downtown.
G
G
Well,
we
don't
have
a
consultant,
that's
even
looked
at
it,
yet
that
would
be
the
process
once
we
have
the
funding
in
place
and
we
can
fund
the
design
and
the
property
siding
and
everything.
No,
we
have
not.
We
don't
even
have
a
place
other
than
that
general
area
that
I
said
for
any
of
these
facilities.
Yet.
K
That's
that's
what
we
my
last
question
is
my
last
question
would
be:
how
much
have
we
worked
with
the
tribe
I
mean.
Obviously,
they
benefit
not.
K
It's
kind
of
like
where
they're
building
up,
but
you
need
to
keep
it
close
for
their
for
their
needs.
So
what's
their
input,
how
much
can
they
contribute.
G
Well,
they
can
contribute
whatever
they
want
to
contribute.
I
have
been
in
conversations
with
them
about
these
opportunities
and
about
partnerships
and
different
types
of
partnerships
and
how
we
could
bring
them
in.
As
you
know,
stakeholders
with
a
voice,
a
matter
of
fact,
I
had
a
meeting
with
their
top
administrative
person
margaret
yesterday
and
they
have
their
own
emergency
manager
for
the
tribe.
A
They
have
do,
they
have
any
of
their
own
fire
department.
G
They
do
not,
and
it's
the
point
that
I
brought
up
over
especially
I
spoke
in
front
of
the
whole
council
about
two
months
ago
and
let
them
know
at
that
time
and
yesterday
I
re
reasserted
the
information
that
they
are
the
only
tribe
in
the
state
of
california.
That
does
not
have
a
fire
department.
All
of
the
other
tribes
in
the
state
have
their
own,
they
pay
for
their
own
fire
department
and
basically
it's
you
know
it's
it's
time
to
start
working
on
a
partnership.
G
That's
correct
matter
of
fact:
a
couple
of
the
tribal
members
have
actually
said
we
would
love
to
let
you
have
that
land.
So
all
of
these
things
are
possibilities,
but
we
can't
rely
on
any
of
the
possibilities
right.
We
would
rather
ask
for
the
money
that
we
need
and
and
then
put
it
back
in
measure
j,
as
the
finance
director
had
said.
Rather
than
come
back
to
you,
you
know
and
continue
to
ask
for
more
money.
B
E
G
It's
very
important
for
efficiencies:
can
it
can
it
be
located
independently?
Absolutely,
but
but
the
re
it
it.
The
efficiencies
come
from
basically
the
economy
of
scale,
of
being
able
to
utilize
it
not
only
for
our
training
and
having
all
that
in
one
place
and
having
the
administrative
staff
that
that
handles
all
of
those
functions,
but
also
for
it
to
be
central
to
actually
other
city
departments
and
entities
that
could
also
utilize.
That
facility.
G
No,
it's
a
very
good
question:
yeah
yeah
yeah
can't!
Can
it
be
done
yes,
but
optimally?
It
would
be
nice
to
have
them
located
because
it
also
this
this.
This
cost
that
we're
asking
for
also
includes
our
administrative
offices,
which
you
know
are
also
about
40
years
old
and
weren't
billed
to
accommodate
the
current
staff.
We
have
four
people
in
a
single
office
in
our
administrative
offices.
At
this
time,.
E
Second
question
more
substantive-
and
this
is
a
tag
along
to
the
questions
about
the
fire
tower
the
training
tower
when
we
heard
about
it
first
or
at
least
more
recently
a
couple
of
years
ago.
Maybe
I
remember
the
number
I
think
it
was
400
000
or
400
450
000.
So
let's
call
it
half
of
what
we
see
today.
E
E
I'm
using
it
as
a
figuratively.
B
G
We
do,
but
we
don't
rent
them.
So
we
go
to
the
roy
wilson
training
facility,
which
is
actually
a
joint
effort
between
a
training
consortium
that
actually
was
initially
built
by
the
college
of
the
desert,
and
it
is
for
the
use
of
not
only
their
recruit
academy
and
their
firefighter
one
firefighter
ii
that
they
do
for
certifications,
which
we
require
to
be
hired
on
our
fire
department.
G
It
is
also
for
the
use
of
all
of
the
valley
departments.
The
problem
is,
is
we
have
to
take
our
units
out
of
service
30
minutes
both
directions,
and
when
we
have
emergencies
in
our
city,
we
don't
want
a
30-minute
travel
time
from
that
facility
back
into
the
city
to
handle
our
incident
okay,
stuff's
burnt
down
by
then
people
die
by
then
it's
it's
not
good
business
to
to
go
to
a
facility
outside
of
your
jurisdiction.
E
How
how
much
what
what
is
it?
What
would
what
would
so?
I
have
a
visiting
dog
at
my
feet
instead
of
buying.
Instead
of
the
build
for
a
million
dollars,
you
could
theoretically
invest
in
inventory,
duplicate
equipment,
duplicative
response
equipment,
duplicative
personnel
at
some
point,
there's
a
number
where
status
quo
can
be
status
quo,
could
theoretically
work
versus
the
what
was
previously
an
endorsed,
400
000
project
to
two
years
later,
a
million
dollar
project.
G
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
anything
other
than
the
cost
of
doing
the
project.
This
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
any
kind
of
duplication
or
anything.
This
is
because,
when
we
started
this
project,
when
I
got
here
six
and
a
half
years
ago,
we
had
290
000
of
donated
money
for
this
project
and
we
could
have
finished
this
project
with
that
290
000
at
that
time,
but
it
hit
now.
G
E
Okay,
I'm
not
thank
you
for
the
information,
I'm
not
being
clear
in
my
in
my
metaphor
of
rent
versus
buy
okay,
but
let's
put
that
put
that
aside
for
a
moment,
but
it
sounds
like
the
punch
line
is.
E
That's
not
what
I
intended
to
describe
yeah
my
thought
was:
there's
a
status
quo
that
isn't
acceptable
and
is
there
a
way
to
modify
the
status
quo
short
of
spending
a
million
dollars,
but
still
have
suitable
training
and
response
time,
if
there's
an
actual
emergency,
and
if
and
it's
it
sounds
like
from
two
years
ago,
the
answer
to
that
that
question
would
have
been
well.
No,
we
need
to.
E
We
need
to
build
the
training
tower
and
measure
j
agreed
in
that
room
to
endorse
the
funding
of
a
project
that
was
about
half
the
size
that
it
is
today.
Yes,
now
now
that
it's
double
is
the
punch
line,
the
main
point
still
the
same,
the
thesis
is,
we
need
this.
It
costs
what
it
costs,
but
we
need
this,
and
status
quo
is
not
acceptable.
Even
in
the
face
of
a
million
dollar
project.
G
Well
I'll
go
back
to
my
previous
answer.
The
project
has
not
changed
at
all.
We
have
not
beefed
it
up.
We
haven't
changed
it.
We
have
not
done
one
thing.
These
are
just
labor
costs
that
have
changed
so,
and
this
is
status
quo
like
we
could
build
something
much
more
elaborate.
Now
you're
talking
two
different
projects,
and
just
so
you
know
that
project
goes
away.
If
you
approve
this
fire
station
centrally
located
combination
of
a
fire
station
admin
office,
eoc
training
tower
that
project
goes
away
and
that
funding
could
be
repurposed
to
this
project.
G
E
Yeah
my
questions
are
not
very
elegant.
I
apologize,
but
it
sounds.
It
sounds
like
the
million
dollar
project
is.
The
million
dollar
is
the
project
that
you
believe
is
necessary.
G
G
B
A
D
So
that's
the
way
it's
programmed
right
now
and
if
priorities
change
and
we're
able
to
expedite
it
depending
on
you
know
what
the
design,
the
acquisition
of
land
and
maybe
two
three
years,
we
would
probably
move
to
to
construct
it
there's
other
other
forms
of
construction
that
we're
looking
at,
possibly
maybe
exploring
private
partnerships.
D
Private
public
partnerships
that
do
these
things
very
well
and
going
very
fast.
So
there's
things
to
explore,
but
for
now
my
capacity
and
the
way
I've
designed
my
five-year
cip
is
I'm
looking
to
build
it
in
three
or
four
years
different.
You
know
that's
sort
of
the
way
I
laid
it
out.
D
Correct
that
would
be
the
decision
right
if
we
don't,
if
we
go
forward
with
the
full
relocation
of
fire
station
number
one,
I
would
say
it
would
not
be
prudent
to
design
and
build
the
the
standalone
tower
because
we're
going
to
incorporate
one
in
the
other
tower,
and
I
think
that's
what
I
was
hoping
that
the
chief
would
say-
and
he
did
say
that
so
that
that's
pretty
much
the
answer.
Okay,
my
show.
A
D
A
C
I
feel
like
we're
belaboring
this
to
death,
I
mean.
Could
we
separate
out
the
tower
if
the
tower
was
to
be
at
a
separate
location
if
it
was
at
a
different
location
in
downtown?
I,
I
honestly
feel
you're
only
t
you're
only
getting
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
with
push
back
of
that
tower
location
off
of
tockwits
in
the
downtown
area,
the
neighbors,
the
planning
commission,
there's
no
way
it's
going
to
happen.
C
C
C
C
You
know
in
a
year
and
it's
unfortunate
that
things
fell
apart
several
years
ago,
when
you
had
that
that
grant
money
or
whatever
but
anyway,
so
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
that
I
don't
know,
I
realize
that
one
is
included
in
the
other,
but
could
they
be
separated
out,
especially
if
it's
two
different
locations
right.
G
Yeah
no
and
you
bring
up
some
some
very,
very
good
points,
one
mr
gaussian.
So
yes-
and
you
know
that's
why
I
say-
and-
and
you
bring
up
a
good
point-
I
mean
we
could
just
right
now
we
could
choose
another
location
and
move
forward
with
just
the
tower
and
then
take
the
take
that
cost
out
of
what
we're
asking
for
for
the
fire
station
eoc
right
and
and
do
that
project
right
away.
If
there
were
anything
that
was
a
priority,
it's
getting
that
project
done
and
what
I
said.
G
Usually
what
happens
and
joel
can
confirm.
This
is
when
we
start
doing
these.
There
are
many
community
meetings
and
if
it
did
start
going
south,
like
you
said
because
we
we
involved
we're
we're
not
gonna,
do
anything
in
a
vacuum.
We're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
involve
the
public
and
they
may.
It
may
be
decided
that
tower
just
needs
to
come
out
of
that
project
right.
We
like
everything
else
in
there,
but
we
don't
want
this
tower
downtown.
G
K
G
G
You
know
we
could
even
consider
taking
the
eoc
part
out
of
it,
so
that
that's
all
together
and
for
the
city
employees
and
put
that
on
that
same,
but
but
the
only
thing
we're
up
against
there
is
instead
of
the
community
input.
We
we've
got
faa
input
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
So
you
know
that
you're
just
kind
of
robbing
peter
to
pay
paul
for
whoever
we
have
to
get
all
of
the
authorizations
through.
G
G
And
and
it's
a
stand-up
conference
room
because
it
gets
used
for
a
conference
room
and
if
we
do
have
a
disaster,
we
have
to
pull
computers
out
of
containers
that
we
don't
even
know
if
they're
working,
because
they
don't
get
exercised
all
the
time.
And
so
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
how
inefficient
it
is.
B
A
A
B
B
B
D
D
A
A
D
Yeah
the
way,
let
me
get
to
that
with
my
project
number
on.
D
Yeah
22
20
give
me
a
quick
second
there.
So
the
way
I
set
it
up
is
we
went
back
to
the
1
million
dollars
for
year,
one
so
2220.
D
We
have
14
projects,
I
think,
for
the
community
initiative
projects
the
first
year
I
was
looking
at
1
million
dollars
for
those
projects,
knowing
that
some
of
them
we
could
get
done
right
away.
Others
were
going
to
take
a
lot
longer
between
when
we
vetted
them,
but
not
bad
enough.
So
the
way
I
set
it
up
was
one
million
over
the
next
five
years
and
year,
one
and
year
two
would
be
trying
to
complete
the
projects
in
the
fourteen
projects.
D
Yeah,
that's
that's.
We
tried
to
look
at
it
differently,
but
I
think
when
we
presented
it
council
kind
of
threw
council
off
because
they
did
ask
a
question
of:
isn't
it
one
million?
Why
do
you
have
1.4
million
the
1.4?
Really
the
450
000
was
really
trying
to
look
at.
We
funded
exactly
one
one
million
in
construction.
The
rest
of
it
would
be
spent
through
our
design
and
construction
administration.
Things
of
that,
so
we
really
shouldn't
have
done
that
we
should
have
just
kept
it
round
to
1
million.
A
A
Stop
before
I
could
comment
on
on
that
quickly
is
because
I
realize
you
can't
do
a
million
dollar
you
can't
you
have
a
limitation
of
what
you
can
do,
but
we
had
decided
that
we
wanted
to
spend
the
money
from.
We
don't
want
to
lose
that
money.
That
was
from
the
past
this
current
year
and
last
year,
which
is
another
2
million,
and
so
I
think
I
realize
you
may
not.
A
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
everybody,
but
although
that
is
what
we
said
before,
that
would
be
our
our
recommendation
to
city
council
that
it's
three
million
dollars
for
these
three
years
and
after
that,
it's
a
million
dollars
a
year.
Just
so
you
know
so
that
it's
not
as
though
we're
taking
mail.
We
don't
want
to
take
our
community
projects
and
move
them
once
we
approve
to
22,
23
and
24,
depending
on
capacity.
We
want
them
right.
D
And
I
think
you
as
a
commission,
you
can
present
that
to
the
city
council
right
when
we
did
this
little
exercise
on
your
sheet
on
the
back.
I
think
we
projected
for
the
14
projects
about
1.7
million
dollars
that
that's
what
it
would
cost
to
deliver
those,
but
that
is
without
vetting
any
single
one
of
those
projects.
Right,
we
don't
know
the
true
cost
of
those
projects,
so
it
could
grow
to
2.
million
2.2
or
or
more
right.
A
We
understand
I
mean,
although,
as
you
said
last
time,
any
of
these
projects-
you
don't
know
any
of
them-
the
budgets
could
change
on
anything
right,
they're,
really
all
kind
of
the
same
boat.
So
the
next
thing
I
wanted
to
clarify
is
that
you
have
the
1.7
and
that's
where
the
additional
money
comes
in.
A
So
I
just
want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
completely
lose
all
of
those,
because
all
of
those
fox
projects
submitted
by
parks
and
rec
or
other
individuals
are
now
not
here
at
all.
So
I
just
as
a
reminder
the
commission,
we
don't
want
to.
We
didn't
just
say
to
take
those
off.
We
said
we
wanted
input
on
that,
so
that
will
have
to
be
clear
when
we
speak
to
city
council
or
present
to
them
or
or
put
it
in
our
our
report
that
we
still
have.
A
We
due
to
timing,
we
still
have
all
these
projects
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
review,
but
we
don't
want
to
have
off
the
table
so
we'll
have
to
figure
out
how
we
put.
I
mean,
I
think,
in
the
document
that
we
send
we're
going
to
have
to
be
very
clear
about
here's
our
recommendations,
although
here
are
the
things
that
we
don't
know,
but
we
don't
want
to
lose
them.
K
Yeah
along
that
line-
and
I
totally
agree
with
you-
we
need
to
keep
a
hold
of
what
we've
got,
but
you
know
we're
starting
to
see
our
income
go
up.
What
is
it
19.4,
0.4
percent,
and
I'm
not
sure
where
to
bring
this
up.
But
personally,
I
feel,
like
our
recommendation,
should
be
that
we
get
to
increase
that
million
dollars
by
the
same
percentage
that
we
get
income
so
that
we
can
actually
increase
our
ability
to
meet
the
community
projects
that
we
want
to
do.
A
I
I
would
support
that
the
million
dollars
has
not
increased
for
some
time.
I
mean
it
again
is
not
something
city
council
could
change,
but
but
we've
seen,
I
think
the
measure
j
revenue
has
gone
up
close
to
50
percent,
since
I
mean
close
to
100
since
the
beginning.
So
it's
gone
up
significantly.
Procedurally,.
D
A
So,
procedurally,
the
way
this
normally
works
is
there
was
one
one
memo
to
city
council
saying
this
is
what
engineering
recommends.
A
D
Right
was
it
a
memo,
sorry
to
cut
you
off
with
it
a
memo,
or
I
from
what
I
remember
it
was
incorporated
into
a
staff
report
where
we
would
provide
regulations
and
then
you
would
and
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
that
memo
should
be
prepared
for
our
joint
meeting.
That's
going
to
happen
june
8th,
so
I
think
the
commission
has
before
them
my
recommendations
and
then
we
would
take
your
recommendations,
whether
it's
you
know
removing
some
or
adding
some,
and
then
we
would
combine
that
into
that
that
memo.
A
Correct
we
don't
we
don't
take
a
vote
on
yours,
we
just
recommend
our
own
of
which
they're
really
substantially
similar,
but
we,
as
we
mentioned,
we
have
some
other
things
already
that
would
be
on
there
and
that's
how
I
should
also
mention
that
in
previous
years,
which
is
somewhat
different
than
now-
and
this
has
to
do
with
capacity-
the
commission
would
recommend
use
of
all
of
the
available
funds
that
were
up
that
were
then
now.
Obviously,
this
is
a
different
time,
but
that
is
what
happened
up
to
2019.
A
D
A
We
can
we
already,
I
mean
we
can
do
that
quickly.
We
already
have
gone
through
them.
I
mean
those
were
the
ones
that
we
had
already
recommended.
I
don't
know
if
any
other
commissioners
have
we're
gonna
go
through
four
different
things.
Now
one
is
what
our
recommendations
based
upon
the
five
year
plan.
A
One
is
our
recommendations
based
upon
those
other
projects
that
were
carried
over
that
were
not
included
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
the
community
projects
and
then
that
we
have
submitted
and
then
the
fourth
one
would
be
the
funds
that
we
want,
and
I
don't
know
how
we
want
to
express
this
for
things
like
the
park
which
we
have
unknowns
on
and
we
might
want
to
just
set
an
amount
for
that.
A
D
I
just
wanted
to
elaborate
a
little
bit,
at
least
on
one
of
those
that's
on
the
memo,
so
that
you
get
the
commission
get
some
insight
on
on
on
one
of
them
anyways,
because
one
of
them
is
part
of
a
development
project
that
city's
actually
currently
working
on.
It's
a
request
for
the
mid-block
crossing
for
the
desert
aids
project-
and
I
wanted
to
kind
of
touch
on
that.
So
the
commission
would
have
more
information.
I
Can
we
just
briefly
discuss
the
projects
that
were
added
on
the
five-year
cip
before
we
get
into
that
next
bucket
of
projects?
I'm
I
don't.
We
briefly
touched
on
it
last
week,
but
the
radios
and
the
staffing
we
had
started
that
conversation.
We
might
want
to
finish
it
before
we
get
to
the
next
group
of
projects.
Okay,.
A
A
Because
we
have
we're
having
the
meeting
and
the
20
I
mean
some
of
these
obviously
have
to
take
into
account
that
there's
a
five
year
plan,
but
we
are
basically
going
to
just
focus
on
our
recommendations
for
next
year,
because
we
don't
really-
and
if
we're
going
to
do
this
before
we
meet
again,
we
have
25
minutes
to
go
through
this
hole.
So
I
would
suggest
we
just
go
through
this
list.
D
Yeah
and
just
so
we're
just,
I
want
to
repeat
that
years:
two
through
five
are
planning
only
they're
meant
to
project
what
we
think
if
it
didn't
appear
in
year,
one
and
it
starts
occurring
in
year,
two
or
three-
that's
just
a
planning
document.
It's
a
document
that
could
change
next
year,
something
happens
and
they
may
disappear.
They
never
show
up
on
cip
again.
So
it's
just
it's
for
me
to
visually
see
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
the
next
five
years.
Okay,
so.
A
A
C
C
Well,
I
motioned
that
we
take
out
the
police
radios
or
only
contribute
a
much
smaller
amount
to
them.
Last
month
we
discovered
the
last
meeting.
We
discussed
that
that
should
be
more
general
fund.
I
also
think
we
should
take
out
the
project
manager
cost.
C
And
then
we
can
discuss
this
motion.
I
think
I
guess
we
should
probably
discuss
the
fire
tower.
Is
that
we're
probably
getting
ahead
of
ourselves
with
a
fire
tower,
because
you
know
obviously
they
need
to
know
what
they're
doing
for
downtown
and
none
of
that's
really
solidified.
But
I
I
have
a
crystal
ball
on
that
very
clear
that
a
tower
is
just
not
going
to
fly
in
that
neighborhood
neighbors
aren't
going
to
want
it.
It's
close
to
downtown
it's
going
to
look
ugly
for
tourists
on
chocolates.
C
C
A
C
A
Okay,
I
do
too,
let's
go
to
commissioner
robin
another,
we'll
get
the
comments
and
then
we
can
vote
on
individual
ones
just
to
make
it
easier,
I
think,
might
be
easier.
E
Yeah
so
a
quick,
quick
comments
and
I
agree
100
with
the
analysis
on
the
fire
training
location
and
why
it
should
be
a
separate
project,
the
roundabout.
I
don't
know
why
we
would
put
a
dollar
into
it,
but
that's,
maybe
I'm
just
blind
to
the
importance
of
the
findings
of
the
report
that
we've
discussed
several
times
the
the
relocation
of
the
fire
station.
This
is
such
a
big
project.
I
it's
hard.
E
E
But
20
something
million
dollars
from
measure
j
is
going
to
be
the
measure
j
fire
station
and
not
and
we'll
see
how
much
else
measure
j
can
pay
for.
So
I'm
hesitant
on
doing
of
taking
a
position
that
measure
j
is
underwriting
this
project
and
whole
okay.
E
And
I
think
that
framing
it,
that
way
is
a
good
approach
to
this.
I
don't
object
to
participating
in
it.
I
I'm
nervous
to
see
so
much
of
it
coming
from
measure
j
on
the
mechanism
of
the
community
projects
and
how
that's
listed.
This
might
be
repetitious
of
what
others
have
said
earlier.
I
think
we
should
call
out
the
next
budget
year
as
being
a
three
million
dollar
line
item
for
community
projects.
E
So
I
think
that
it's
it's
premature
and
premature
also
because
somebody
within
the
city,
some
some
group
within
the
city,
has
to
identify
and
secure
the
location,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
of
any
planning
money
would
be
used
to
a
project
that
can't
literally
can't
be
located
on
the
police
and
fire
radios.
It's
a
large
item.
I
have
no
objection
at
all
to
measure
j
funding
that
and
the
staffing
allocation.
E
I
think
it's
perfectly
acceptable
to
have
measure
j
contribute
to
salary
costs
in
order
to
to
manage
and
execute
projects
that
are
generated
by
measure
j.
You
can't
you
can't
ignore
the
cost
of
project
management
one
way
or
another
where
we
would
be
funding
it
if
that
were
embedded
in
a
third
party
as
a
line
item
in
the
project
cost,
we
wouldn't
even
be
having
this
discussion.
E
A
I
I'll
try
to
be
really
brief,
because
I
know
we
have
so
much
to
get
through
so
around
the
concerns
around
the
fire
training
tower
and
facility.
I
My
general
thoughts
are
I'm
fine
kind
of
setting
a
certain
amount
that
we
feel
comfortable
with,
but
I
think
the
mechanism
to
give
our
feedback
around
location
is
around
the
community
process
and
that's
going
to
be
the
most
streamlined
way
to
kind
of
give
our
feedback
on
on
what
spot
is
most
appropriate,
so
that'd
be
kind
of
my
take
on
on
that
for
the
police
and
fire
replacement
radios.
I
would
second
commissioner
kazan's
motion
to
take
that
out
from
this
list.
I
I
In
my
mind,
are
things
that
will
expire
they're,
the
equivalent
of
computers
and
parks
and
rec
in
my
eyes,
so
I
don't
think
they're
appropriate
for
measure
j
and
around
the
staffing
90
of
the
time
I
would
say
I
would
not
feel
comfortable
putting
measure
j
funds
for
staffing,
but
for
the
engineering
department.
I
do
think
it's
appropriate
and
would
be
fine
with
it
staying.
I
But
I
would
I
do
want
to
know
that
you
know
kind
of
like
in
the
pandemic
when
they
were
considering
possibility,
measure
measure
j
funds
for
overall
staffing
costs
like
that
is
very
different.
So
I
just
kind
of
want
to
put
that
caveat.
So
those
would
be
my
my
recommendations,
all
right.
B
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
pool
the
swimming
pool
to
me,
that
is
a
major
major
problem.
They've
requested
the
locker
room
cleanup
and
are
those
going
to
be
recommended
as
projects
are
we
going
to.
A
C
A
Right
now
we
have
a
million
right
now
on
joel
doyle's
list.
We
have
a
million
dollars.
Our
recommendation
is
that
we
should
have
a
total
of
three
million
dollars
that
includes
these
carry
over
two
million
plus
the
million,
and
then
we
can
go
a
million
dollars
a
year
going
forward
with
commissioner
marshall's
recommendation
that
increased
the
same
percentage
as
overall
revenue.
I
Yeah-
and
I
would
just
add
around
the
communication
community
initiated
projects-
I
think
it
was
the
last
city,
council,
media
and
the
one
before
there
were
several
questions
about
things
that
were
on
the
community
initiative
project
list,
and
so
I
think,
the
time
to
present
those
projects
in
detail.
I
We're
not
gonna
have
the
time
to
do
that
by
june
8th
and
we
should
be
able
to
kind
of
answer,
not
just
the
pool,
but
all
those
other
projects
which
are
valid,
questions
that
were
coming
from
city
council,
but
we
just
want
the
time
to
get
that
to
them
by
junaid.
Commissioner,.
K
Well,
first,
I'm
going
to
support
commissioner
robin's
ideas
like
we
need
to
separate
that
tower.
K
From
the
rest,
I
can't
imagine
a
40-foot
tower
downtown,
that's
not
going
to
irritate
a
lot
of
people
and
we
need
to
push
them
to
work
with
the
tribe
either
get
some
good
property
there
or
whatever.
I
said.
I
also
agree
about
the
the
radio
system.
We
shouldn't
be
the
total
funder
and
I
actually
don't
think
we,
the
roundabout,
I
don't
think,
is
a
priority.
K
A
We
want
to
leave
on
this
750
000
for
the
fire
training
facility,
our
recommendation
and
we're
going
to
leave
that
on
as
a
separate
facility,
with
the
with
our
initial
belief
that
it
will
not
make
sense
to
locate
at
a
downtown
fire
station
we're
going
to
recommend
leaving
the
1.6
million
on
for
the
fire
station
one.
However,
future
years,
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
commit
to
measure
j
that
extreme
bulk
in
terms
of
the.
A
We
have
our
full
list
which
we
need
to
review
with
city
council,
but
we
understand
that
there
are
questions
on
it.
We
want
to
re-clarify
that
there
is
a
million
dollars
approximately
in
parks,
funds
which
we
support,
but
we're
asking
parks
and
rec
to
prioritize.
So
that's
that
goes
into
the
three
million
that
we've
discussed.
A
So
we're
going
to
have
that
and
then
going
forward,
the
million
dollars
should
be
in
there,
but
we
believe
it
should
increase
the
same
percentage
as
measure
j
revenue
increases.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
address
the
fact
that
measure
j
might
decrease,
but
we
can.
I
think
we
leave
it.
A
million
dollars
base
filling
up
by
what
measure
j
total
revenue
goes
up
in
terms
of
the
pickleball
courts.
A
We
did
go
forward
last
time
and
say
that
we
wanted
to
recommend
them
for
consideration
for
measure
j.
I
think
recommending
150
000
for
planning
design
and
which
includes
other
things,
sounds
reasonable
to
me
without
yet
committing
the
rest
of
the
money
until
they
actually
come
up
with
a
plan
that
makes
sense
on
the
police
and
fire
replacement
radios.
The
question
I
have
now
is:
do
we
want
to
take
it
out
altogether
or
suggest
that
measure
j
fund,
half
of
it
and
the
rest
goes
somewhere
else?
C
Yeah,
yes,
I
would
say
we
would
pay
a
million
of
it
for
the
radios.
Now
we're
not
we're
sort
of
ignoring
this
other
list.
I
would
love
to
see
the
mizell
kitchen,
which
I
think
is
such
a
huge
and
immediate
need,
and
it
addresses
a
demographic
that
we
have
not
given
a
lot
of
attention
to
formation.
Well,.
C
C
Okay,
I'm
just
trying
to
be
practical
with
the
money
too,
but
yeah
I'd
rather
with
the
fire
radios.
I'd
rather
say
hey,
because
I
think
we
all
believe
in
it.
We
know
it's
a
worthwhile
project,
but
I
everyone
has
brought
up
really
good
points
about
it.
It's
like
are
we
funding
computers?
I
mean
it's,
it's
so
do
we.
E
What's?
What's
the
other
than
philosophically,
what's
the
financial
burden
to
a
well-funded
measure
j?
What's
the
financial
burden
of
funding
the
whole
3.5.
A
E
E
A
A
A
It's
a
39
point:
nine.
A
I'm
looking
at
the
one
nancy,
are
you
here,
I'm
looking
at
the
one
from
oh
wait:
that's
april's.
D
F
Look
at
the
current
one,
your
39,
your
ending
your
beginning
fund
balance
for
22
23
is
39
million.
Then
after
we
subtract
out
the
expenditures
of
11.7,
you
have
27.3
million
to
spend
or
22
20.
F
F
The
carryovers
for
the
the
last
two
years,
plus
22.23.
A
F
Now
that's
included
in
the
carryover.
If
you
look
at
2021
continuing
appropriation,
the
million
is
included
in
there.
So
then,
if
you
go
to
now
2122
we
have
the
million
there
and
then
22
23.
So
that's
going
to
be
3
million.
F
A
But
in
in
our
proposed
2223
budget,
where
we
have
the
is
that
included
the
unexpected
reallocated
funds
or
not.
A
A
So
if
we
want
to
add,
I
understand
so
if
we
want
to
have
three
million
dollars
in
community
projects,
the
only
we
have
the
two
million
dollars-
that's
already
been
allocated
that
hasn't
been
spent.
So
theoretically
we
have
30
million
new
million,
but
there's
still
two
million
dollars
in
community
projects
that
we
haven't
allocated.
This
particular
specific
project,
yeah.
F
It's
included
in
your
schedule
as
if
we're
gonna,
we
spent
it
like
it's
allocated.
So
that's
included
in
your
deduction
from
your
39
million.
Okay.
A
D
A
All
right,
so,
let's
put
it,
let's
put
a
million
I
mean
I
do
part
of
this
is
and
joel
mentioned
this
last
time.
This
is
actually
one
of
those
things
that
could
be
spent
pretty
quickly
and
happen
versus
a
lot
of
our
projects,
which
will
take
forever.
So
I
think,
there's
a
value
to
this,
because
some
of
these
projects
may
end
up
dropping
off
anyway,
just
because
we
find
out
they're
too
expensive
or
there's
other
funding
or
some
other
reason.
A
So,
let's,
let's
do
that
the
the
plaza
theater
I
wanted
to
go
add
on
to
because
we
did
recommend
a
million
dollars,
but
I
still
on
our
caveat,
we
recommended
that
ours
would
be
the
last
million
dollars.
A
K
A
So
the
engineering
project
manager,
I'm
gonna,
be
honest.
I
mean,
I
think
that
I
do
think
it's
necessary,
but
I
think
it
should
be
a
general
fund.
I
don't
think
I
think
staffing
is
not
what
I
do,
but
but
I'm
not
gonna
fight
this.
If
this
is
what
the
commission
views,
should
we
take
a
vote
on
this
all
right.
I
B
K
C
A
A
Let's
go
back,
let's
go
back
to
the
police
radios
we
have.
Does
anybody
want
this
full
three
and
a
half
million?
No.
K
D
Well,
technically,
every
single
project
that
we
have
with
measure
j
sets
aside
five
ten
percent
of
funding
for
administration,
which
is
literally
paying
for
the
project
manager
to
to
do
that.
So
having
a
dedicated
fund
for
the
project
manager,
they
will
be
when
I
hire
them,
we'll
be
working
on
a
lot
of
the
measure
j
projects
a
lot
of
time.
They
will
be
using
that
money
and
they
will
be
associated
with
measure
date
projects
because
there's
lots
of
them
other
than
that.
I
mean
I'll
still
continue
saying
that
it's
we
can
monitor
it.
D
We
have
our
system
where
we
can
tell
exactly
what
project
is
being
worked
on
and
it
can
be
properly
accounted
for.
The
money
being
spent
from
measure
j
can
properly
be
accounted
for
every
time
sheet,
every
time
period.
So.
A
And
trust
me,
I
I
I
know
you
need
the
staff,
I
just
think
it.
I
think
we're
gonna.
I
believe
it
opens
a
camp
personally.
It
opens
a
can
of
worms
because
it's
the
same
with
the
fire
and
the
police
and
other
people
I'm
not
the
same.
It
is
a
similar
thing
so
and
I
believe
you
need
more
staff,
absolutely.
B
A
And
I
just
think
we
are
flush
with
money,
so
I
mean
supposedly-
and
this
is
unfortunate-
the
city
manager
said
it
publicly,
but
we
are
flush
with
money.
So,
let's,
let's
take
a
vote
on
what
our
recommendation
is
and
your
recommendation
could
be
different
and
they
can
go
with
yours.
We
know
that
so
the
answer
is
christian.
Flutter
did
you
have
a
comment
before
you
vote.
B
A
You
hire
someone
it's
going
to
be
every
year
unless
they
find,
I
mean
that's
what
we're
going
to
commit
to
and
then
I
don't
know
what
happens
with
calpers
and
all
that
other
kind
of
stuff
that
I
don't
know
how
that
works.
But
I
would
recom
all
those
in
favor
of
the
project
manager
coming
out
of
measure
j.
A
Okay,
we
have
now
have
we
gone
through
everything
on
on
joel's
joelle's
list
here
that
we
otherwise
do
evelyn.
Are
you
taking
down
all
our
comments?
I
mean
I
can.
I
can
confirm
with
you
later
if
you
want,
but
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
write
the
stuff
or
who's
writing
up
the
staff
report,
but
we
can
do
that
so.
Are
there
any
commissioner
marshall.
A
D
E
I
I
I
I
think
this
is
something
I
would
like
to
see
us
vote
on.
A
I
B
A
A
C
C
So
you
know
we
just
got
to
keep
that
in
mind
with
all
of
these
costs,
but
I
I
will
go
on
record.
I
am
hugely
supportive
of
this
because
I
think
it
will
benefit
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community.
I
Yeah
and
a
couple
of
comments
chair
one,
the
memo
was
in
linked
in
today's
agenda.
Specifically,
that's
how
I
was
able
to
find
it,
and
then
we
might
just
want
a
comment
or
around
like
giving
measure
j
funds
to
community-based
organizations.
I
know
us
as
a
commission.
I
We
have
discussed
it
thoroughly,
but
it
came
up
as
a
question
at
city
council
as
to
if
and
how
it's
appropriate,
so
they
were
talking
specifically
around
the
gardens
for
the
school
district,
which
is
not
on
this
list,
but
it
was
just
on
a
list
that
they
were
looking
at
and
there
was
overall
concerns
as
to
how
we
do
that.
So
I
imagine
that
would
come
up
with
the
myself
center
as
well.
B
C
K
A
No,
the
the
building
is
owned
by
the
city,
it's
like
other
buildings,
but
the
staff
is
they
pay,
they
have
their
own
profit
and
they
they
do
get
money
from
the
city
yeah.
So
I
think
this
is
much
the
same
way
that
that
okay,
I'm
sorry
we
didn't
do
roll
call
votes.
Do
you
have
a
record
of
the
roll
call
votes.
A
B
We
can
do
a
final
vote
at
the
end,
but
but
in
order
to
keep
the
50s
on
record,
we
should
do
a
roll
call
vote.
A
A
B
And
vice
chairperson,
yes,
I'm
sorry,
yes,
yes,
commissioner
gassan!
No
commissioner
footer
no
was
that
I
know
I'm
sorry.
No!
No,
commissioner,
marshall.
K
B
Commissioner,
robin
no-
and
it
is
a
no
five
to
one.
A
Let's
go
the
next
one
was
the
on
well
the
final
station.
We
all
agreed
with
right
the
three
million
dollars
mentor
jay.
We
all
agree
with
okay,
we're
going
to
the
police
environment
radios
all
those
in
favor
of
the
million
dollars
this
year
and
the
rest
from
from
the
million
dollars
from
us
and
the
rest
from
other
funds.
A
C
K
E
B
Okay
motion
carries
to
approve
the
one
million
okay,
five
to
one.
A
B
I
think
she's
frozen
welcome
back
commissioner
gassan.
E
B
Okay-
and
it
is
not
going
forward,
not
approved,
and
that
is
one
two
three
four
to
two.
A
K
B
A
D
Right,
I
think
we
we've
agreed
that
we
can
try
to
push
it
through
and
we're
here
to
support
you,
okay,
expedite
it
a
little
bit
that
view.
A
Okay,
let's
do
this
quickly,
so
we
have
the
eight
well
they're,
actually
not
eight
projects
now,
because
we've
already
covered
plaza,
theater
and
we've
also
covered
the
pickleball
courts
which
we're
changing
our
rec.
Originally,
we
said,
recommend
60
milli,
100
000,
to
a
million.
I
think
spending
changing
it
to
the
150
for
design
this
year
and
and
assessment
actually
makes
it
makes
good
sense.
Does
anyone
disagree
with
that?
A
D
Before
you
do
that,
I
did
want
to
weigh
in
on
the
mid
block
crosswalk.
Okay,
I
reviewed
that
we
were
not
in
favor
of
supporting
the
design
we
asked
for
a
traffic
study.
This
traffic
study
really
doesn't
support
it
now,
because
the
growth
and
the
warrants
really
aren't
met
until
sometime
in
way
in
the
future.
It's
so
close
to
mr
chino.
I
think
it
poses
danger
for
the
pedestrians,
so
staff
has
never
really
been
in
favor
of
that,
and-
and
I
just
wanted
to
voice
that
before
you
made
your
your
decision.
C
B
A
A
C
K
C
C
I
believe
so,
if
you
are
heading
in
a
southbound
direction
and
you're
going
through
a
green
light
and
people
have
to
stop
for
a
pedestrian,
that's
going
across
the
street
literally
not
that
far
from
vista
chino
you're
going
to
have
major
collisions
right
and
the
intersection,
because
people
are
going
to
break
and
people
are
flying
to
catch
the
light
it
I'm
telling
you
it
will
be
a
disaster
right
now.
If
it
was
further
down,
perhaps.
D
D
A
K
Well,
since
I
live
like
a
half
a
block
from
what
we're
talking
about
and
I
walk
by
dog,
we
need
some
kind
of
crosswalk.
What
we
might
want
to
come
back
with
is
moving
it
down
further
south,
so
either
they
cross
at
this
chino
or
whatever.
But
there
needs
to
be
a
crosswalk,
because
the
next
one
is
to
chiva.
D
Yeah,
I
guess
one
thing
I
could
suggest
is
this:
this
get
pushed
to
next
year's
recommendation
issue.
It
doesn't
have
to
go
away,
but
it
would
give
us
more
time
to
really
work
with
the
applicants
because
we're
working
right
now
through
the
process.
We.
A
A
K
I
I
I
would
like
to
go
along
with
joel's
recommendation
that
we
put
it
off
to
next
year.
A
B
Okay,
commissioner,
marshall
is
a
no,
so
the
vote
is
four
to
two
to
not
approve
it.
Can.
D
I
want
to
drop
one
more
sorry.
I
just
the
racquet
club
road
diet
sounds
like
you
know:
yeah
we're
gonna
move
forward
that
one
really
is
dependent
on
general
plan
review
the
circulation
element.
It
may
not
be
something
that's
feasible.
I
just
want
to
voice
that.
A
We
understand
that
we
understand
with
all
of
these
listen.
The
plaza
theater
may
not
happen.
The
fire
station
may
not
happen,
so
we
are
and
that
things
have
changed
before.
So
I
think
we
did
go
through
these
and
all
vote
to
recommend
them,
because
anybody
want
to
change
the
vote
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call,
though.
A
C
C
F
A
A
C
I
thought
it
was.
I
thought
this
was
more
bubbled
up
from
the
voting
that
we
did
individually,
but
we
don't
have
to
get
caught
up
on
that.
I
know
that
I
I
never
got
a
chance
to
discuss
this.
Okay,
I
don't
even
know
what
the
racquet
club
diet,
road
diet
is.
Is
that
even
allowable
that
is
a
major
artery
and
that's
reducing
two
lanes
in
each
direction
to
one
lane.
A
These
are
all
had
submitted
ones.
So
at
this
point
now
I
think
we
should
just
do
a
we're
gonna.
Do
a
roll
call
vote
on
each
one,
and
you
know
because
we've
got
it,
we've
got
us
have
something
to
submit
and
the
answer
could
be.
If
we
don't
have
a
positive
vote,
we
can
move
it
into
consideration
for
next
year.
A
C
A
A
B
A
B
Commissioner
soto
vice
chairperson
soto,
yes,
commissioner
gassan,
yes,
commissioner
footer.
Yes,
commissioner
marshall,
yes,
commissioner,
robin.
E
A
I
C
K
A
C
D
A
C
K
E
A
Okay,
we
now
on
our
community
projects
list.
We
have
the
three
million
dollars
which
we
have
the
list
we've
gone
through.
We
have,
which
is
includes
a
million
dollars
in.
We
know
that
there's
parks
funding
and
that's
why
it
would
be
on
there.
There
was
a
couple
small
ones
with
the
arts
commission
that
we
talked
about
the
charging
stations
if
they
could
have
the
art.
So
I
think
what
we
have
to
do
is
we
have
to.
A
We
can't
go
through
all
of
these
again
so,
but
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
list
and
I
think
we
should
present
that
entire
list
in
our
city
council
thing
and
include.
I
want
to
make
sure
we
include
the
parks
things
so
that
what
was
presented
and
what
we
have
asked,
because
until
we
have
a
chance
to
hear
back,
we
really
can't
make
any
further
decisions.
A
B
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
just
do
this
staff
report
and
you
want
anyone
to
look
at
it
or
if
you
just
want
to
do
it,
but
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement
and
as
long
as
it
just
reflects
what
we've
discussed
and
we
will.
We
will
be
prepared
to
discuss
this
with
city
council
on
june,
8th.
F
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do
at
the
end
of
this
meeting
that
we
voted
and
that
everything's
clear
and
we
don't
have
to
come
back
again
considering
a
couple
meetings
ago,
that
we
didn't
vote
and
we
didn't
say
what
we
were
supposed
to
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
So
we
had
to
come
back
again.
So
is
there
anything
we
need
to
say
or
do
evelyn
or
joelle
or
chair
bernstein
to
solidify
this
voting
in
this
meeting.
A
I
do
not
think
so.
The
only
clarification
is
we
have
several
things
which
are
going
forth
in
recommendations
which
have
not
been
fully
vetted,
and
I
think
we
have
to
make
that
clear,
so
the
three
million
dollars
in
in
that
we
have
for
community
projects.
The
fact
is
that
if
we
decide
not
to
go
with
a
single
one
of
the
parks
projects,
it
would
actually
go
down
because
that
we
only
have
a
1.7
million.
Commissioner
marshall.
K
B
I
can
send
like
an
action,
a
minute
action,
and
then
we
can
also
just
to
clarify
that
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
we
can
make
emotion,
emotion,
for
example,
the
chair
can
make
a
motion
states.
We
decided
to
not
move
forward
with
mid
block.
Yes,
maisel
son
raphael.
Yes,
you
know
summarize
the
way
we
voted
and
then
make
a
motion
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
so
that
it's
just
one
motion
at
the
end
of
this
item.
B
F
Maybe
you
want
to
say
you
want
to
give
it
evelyn.
I
don't
know
if
chair
bernstein
has
written
it
all
down
and
then
they
could
make
the
motion
at
the
end.
Would
you
like.
A
B
Okay,
so
then,
to
clarify,
I
can
move
forward
with
what
I
the
notes
that
I
have,
and
it
was
a
yes
for
mizell.
A
A
The
vote-
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
if
you
want
to
set
because
it's
confusing,
if
you
want
to
send
it
to
me,
I
am
happy
to
make
a
comment
and
you
can
go
back
and
clarify
from
this
video.
If
there's
anything,
I
have
wrong,
but
I
and
I
can-
I
will
look
at
the
video
beforehand
and
see
if
I
can
show
you
that
if
there's
anything
wrong,
you're
pretty
good
at
this,
I'm
I
don't.
A
I
don't
suspect
there
will
be
anything
off.
So
I
mean
you're
the
most
capable
person
there
is.
So
you
know
I
I
think
you
take
very
good
notes.
So
I'm
gonna
move
that
that's
how
we
do
it
and
I
will
speak
and
then,
if
there's
anything
that
there's
a
dispute
on
we'll
have
to
figure
it
out.
That
will
have
to
be
in
the
minutes
that
this
was
not
clear.
How
measure
j
voted.
I
A
Is
exactly
right
if
we
we,
if
we
had
not
if
we
had
done
started
this
as
we
asked
for
and
questioned,
and
even
some
of
these
things
that
were
you
know
that
engineering
doesn't
agree
with.
We
would
have
not
had
this
issue
and
we,
I
have
made
this
clear
to
city
council
and
we
can
make
it
clear
at
our
joint
meeting,
but
I
don't
we
want
to
move
forward
in
a
positive
way
and
not
dwell
on
what
did
or
didn't
happen.
So
with
that.
Are
there
any
other
commission
or
comments?
A
It
is
no
all
right.
So,
first
of
all
I
want
to
thank
staff.
I
know
you
guys
have
incredibly
long
days,
and
this
is
very
difficult
for
you
and-
and
I
really
appreciate
you
enabling
us
to
finish
this
now,
so.
Thank
you
very
much
so
with
that
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting.