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From YouTube: City Council Study Session | Mar 29 2022
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City of Palm Springs City Council study session, held March 29th, 2022
A
B
A
This
evening
we
have
a
special
study
session
on
the
issue
of
vacation
rentals.
It
is
the
only
issue
that
is
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
We
have
no
action
items
to
vote
on,
but
we
may
give
discretion
at
somewhere
during
the
course
of
the
meeting
to
staff
council
member
woods.
Would
you
like
to
say
yes.
A
B
E
E
B
B
F
Thank
you,
hello.
My
name
is
louis
delgadillo
and
I
am
the
director
of
homeowner
experience
at
orange
palm
vacation
homes
having
just
celebrated
50
years
of
experience
in
up
close
vacation
rental
management.
I
wanted
to
address
the
non-correlation
of
citations
to
the
number
of
states
we
have
in
this
beautiful
city.
F
F
If
this
sounds
like
a
small
number,
that's
because
it
is,
the
amount
of
disturbances
are
relatively
few
in
number,
irrespective
of
density,
the
city
can't
the
city
and
the
office
of
special
programs.
Compliance
deserve
credit
for
operating
an
airtight
system
of
enforcement
and
people
are
following
the
rules.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
mention,
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
B
D
We
are
truly
looking
forward
to
a
working
together
to
make
changes
to
our
vacation
metal
organs.
However,
there
is
now
a
new
process
in
place
to
make
changes
to
any
ordinance.
Could
we
please
hear
tonight
from
the
city,
council,
member
or
the
city
manager,
on
the
timetable
for
making
revisions
to
the
vr
ordinance?
D
D
E
E
B
D
D
One
of
the
issues
that
will
come
up
in
the
course
of
the
review
of
the
ordinance
is
housing
issues
and
housing,
availability
and
housing
prices,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
the
city
council
to
hold
a
similar
study
session
on
issues
related
to
housing.
I
think
it
would
be
unfortunate
if
one
input
which
is
houses
related
to
vacation
rentals,
drives
a
policy
change
on
vacation
rentals
when
the
overall
housing
issues
deserve
a
much
more
in-depth
examination.
D
Several
months
ago,
I
personally
put
in
a
pra
to
try
to
find
out
the
10-year
history
of
the
councils
or
the
city's
approval
of
plan
development
projects,
so
I
could
try
to
do
some
research
on
the
size
of
those
projects
and
the
average
prices
of
them.
All
I
can
give
to
you
tonight
is
the
anecdotal
data
which
is
listening
to
the
council
approved
plans
when
they
say
at
the
end.
Well,
how
much
are
these
going
to
cost?
D
They
say
to
the
developers,
and
the
answer
is
six
hundred
thousand
eight
hundred
thousand
eight
hundred
to
a
million
I've
heard
very
few
answers
that
would
come
into
the
territory
of
lower
middle
income
housing.
There
are
two
projects
in
the
pipeline,
I
know
about
those,
but
all
the
rest
of
them.
At
eight
hundred
thousand
a
million
two
million
there's
no
collected
data
on
those.
D
B
G
Good
evening,
everyone
thanks
for
having
us.
My
name
is
michael
valeo,
I
own
all
together
vacation
rentals
and
live
in
palm
springs.
I
just
wanted
to
to
mention.
We
hear
a
few
people
talking
about
the
fact
that
you
know
other
cities
have
restricted
or
banned
vacation.
Rentals
in
palm
springs
should
be
following
suit.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
we
are
not
other
cities
palm
springs.
The
city
council
did
a
great
job
of
crafting
a
model
ordinance
for
vacation.
G
G
The
data
shows
the
data
that
was
just
released
by
the
city
shows
that
there
were
over
44
000
guest
days
in
2021
in
vacation,
rentals
representing
over
220
000
visitors
to
palm
springs
and
out
of
those
more
than
44
000
stays
only
130
noise,
citations,
130
citations
out
of
over
44
000
states.
This.
This
ordinance
works.
It
is
fantastic
and
other
cities
should
be
copying
it.
I
think
that
for
us
to
say
you
know
we
should
do
what
mckinsey
did.
We
should
do
what
cathedral
city
did.
G
B
C
Good
evening,
I
want
to
thank
the
city
of
palm
springs
for
crafting
a
well-designed
ordinance
to
manage
the
issue
of
vacation
rentals
and
especially
commend
the
robust
enforcement
of
the
ordinance,
because
without
enforcement,
the
law
is
meaningless,
while
short-term
rentals
have
been
a
benefit
to
many.
It
is
also
a
contributing
factor,
I
believe,
to
the
lack
of
available
housing
in
the
city.
Palm
springs
is
in
a
serious
housing
crisis
and
it
is
only
getting
worse.
C
I
personally
know
two
long-term
local
residents
who
are
currently
desperately
trying
to
locate
housing
after
receiving
notice
from
the
landlords
that
the
leases
are
not
being
renewed.
I
have
never
seen
it
so
bad
and
I've
been
in
and
around
this
city
full
of
part
time,
since
the
1980s
short-term
rentals
are
a
major
reason
why
the
city's
population
failed
to
grow
since
the
last
census,
as
the
permanent
housing
stock
is
being
removed
and
converted
over
to
these
units.
C
The
short-term
rental
program
needs
to
be
capped.
I'm
not
sure
that
should
be
in
total
units
or
in
a
percentage
basis,
but
it
needs
to
be
capped
before
things
get
worse
with
other
desert
cities
further.
Restricting
short-term
rentals,
the
pressure
is
only
going
to
increase
on
palm
springs,
to
pick
up
the
slack
and
the
city
needs
to
make
providing
affordable
housing.
C
The
number
one
priority
I'm
tired
of
hearing
about
how
much
money
it
generates,
if
that's
just
all
we're
going
to
care
about,
let's
just
convert
it
all
to
one
big
motel
six
and
then
we'll
see
this
town
turning
the
soulless
empty
place.
So
please,
please
consider
capping
this
before
it
gets
totally
out
of
control.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
C
Thank
you
good
evening,
city,
council,
members
and
staff.
My
name
is
kenny
cassidy,
I'm
on
the
board
of
iran
and
work
for
a
vacation
rental
agency.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
Regarding
short-term
rentals
and
your
study
session,
it's
been
suggested
that
density
of
permitted,
short-term
rentals
in
a
given
neighborhood
is
a
problem.
C
C
C
C
B
C
Thank
you
hi
there.
My
name
is
francine
mcdougall
and
I've
been
a
vacation
rental
owner
in
palm
springs
for
over
10
years,
and
I'm
also
a
board
member
of
vron
ps,
I'd
like
to
briefly
touch
on
density
for
a
second,
a
review
of
currently
suspended
vacation
rental
properties,
which
are
properties
that
have
received
three
citations
in
12
months,
shows.
They
are
small
in
number,
just
nine
in
2021
and
they're
not
present
in
any
one
neighborhood.
In
fact,
the
highest
number
in
one
neighborhood
is
two
properties.
C
Also
over
the
past
18
months,
the
data
shows
the
city
has
seen
a
23
decline
in
citations.
This
decline
reflects
a
near
record
low
in
2021
of
190..
Because
of
these
numbers.
We
know
that
the
ordinance
is
working,
but
we
also
know
there
are
some
areas
that
need
clarification,
and
we
look
forward
to
the
opportunity
to
discuss
these
with
you.
Thank
you.
A
H
Good
evening
council
tonight
we
return
to
present
the
data
for
vacation
rentals
in
palm
springs.
Staff
has
prepared
for
you
a
comprehensive
state
of
vacation
rentals
report
outlining
the
data
that
staff
maintains
a
lot
of
work,
went
into
this
report
and
we
hope
that
it
meets
in
all
of
your
requests.
Before
we
begin
our
presentation,
there
were
some
data
requests
that
we
were
unable
to
prepare
at
the
staff
level,
and
I
did
want
to
touch
on
these.
H
As
I'm
sure
you
noticed,
they
were
missing
the
heat
maps
to
demonstrate
density,
total
number
of
second
homes
used
as
vacation
rentals.
What
is
happening
with
new
homes
in
comparison
to
census,
data
and
occupancy
rates,
average
daily
rental
rate
impact
to
hospitality
capacity
and
housing
markets.
These
items
were
beyond
the
data
maintained
by
our
staff
and
available
to
us.
However,
at
the
conclusion
of
our
presentation,
should
you
still
require
this
information
or
different
information?
Kindly
provide
staff
direction
and
we
will
do
our
best
to
accommodate
your
request,
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
into
the
powerpoint.
H
H
Vacation
rentals
have
been
regulated
here
in
the
city
of
palm
springs
since
2008,
with
the
introduction
of
ordinance
number
1748,
it
was
revised
in
2014,
2016
and
2017,
which
is
the
current
ordinance.
1918.
ordinance
19
has
become
a
model
vacation
rental
ordinance,
not
just
here
locally.
It
is
also
across
california
and
the
united
states.
We
receive
calls
daily
for
our
input
and
feedback
on
cities
that
are
crafting
their
ordinances.
So
we
know
that
it
is
a
strong
ordinance
that
was
well
written.
H
There
are
core
requirements
of
the
ordinance
which
we
feel
helps
to
helps
enforcement.
We
require
permit
that
each
permit
holder
also
pays
transit,
occupant,
occupancy
tax.
There's
occupancy
limits,
local
response
contacts
that
are
required.
This
is
really
helpful
because
there's
not
an
opportunity
to
correct
any
disturbances
if
there's
a
disturbance
that
they
are
cited
and
that's
a
strike
against
the
property.
H
H
There's
a
brief
outline
of
the
revisions
made
over
time.
A
lot
of
the
core
requirements
have
always
been
in
place.
These
were
added
to
enhance
enforcement.
Throughout
the
years
the
minimum
age
for
responsible
renters
was
raised
from
18
to
25
the
prohibition
of
the
outdoor
amplified,
music
lock-up
trash
service
and
the
registration
number
required
on
advertisements.
These
have
been
critical
in
identifying
unregistered
rentals
in
2018.
H
The
additional
regulations
which
are
currently
in
place
added
further
restrictions.
It
also
limited
each
person
to
only
hold
one
vacation
rental
permit.
There
were
some
owners
who
did
have
multiple
and
they
were
allowed
to
be
grandfathered
in
those
are
very
few
in
number.
We
really
spend
a
lot
of
staff
time
to
ensure
that
all
registrants
only
have
one
permit.
There's
a
limit
on
the
amount
of
contracts,
which
is
the
number
of
stays
that
individuals
can
rent
their
home.
We
also
have
a
three
strike
and
suspension
risk.
H
H
There's
also
a
required
check-in
meet
and
greet,
and
we
have
a
friends
and
family
list
for
homeowners
to
provide
us
a
list
of
their
friends
and
families
who
can
stay
at
their
home
without
having
to
pay
the
transient
occupancy
tax
and
there's
also
restrictions
on
when
maintenance
can
be
done
to
the
home.
So
it
does
not
disturb
the
neighbors.
H
I
As
of
december
31st
2021
97
percent
of
the
vacation,
rentals
vacation,
rentals
in
the
neighbor
in
the
city
and
three
percent
were
considered
home
shares.
Vacation
rental
owners
and
agencies
must
annually
apply
for
vacation
rental
permit.
On
average,
our
department
processes,
191
applications
monthly
in
the
staff
report
on
page
12.
The
table
provided
is
a
registrant
review
and
is
sorted
by
the
percentage
of
vacation
rentals
to
the
number
of
households
in
a
specific
neighborhood.
I
But
we
also
noticed
that
these
may
have
been
properties
that,
although
they
were
active
in
2017,
may
have
sold
to
another
owner
at
a
later
date
and
then
applied
to
become
a
vacation
rental.
And
we
can
still
determine
such
information.
But
we
need
to
look
over
the
information
just
to
be
as
accurate
as
possible.
I
I
I
I
Data
provided
and
evaluates
it,
based
on
how
close
and
how
far
the
vacation
rentals
are
in
relation
to
each
other,
and
so
how
this
map
is
showing
is
that
the
darker
blue
area
is
considered
to
be
a
higher
density
with
relation
to
other
proximity,
vacation
rentals
and
a
lighter
blue,
if
not
white
is
really
limited,
not
as
dense
vacation.
Rentals
again,
this
map
will
be
also
provided
in
the
lobby
after
tonight's
meeting.
I
Additionally,
staff
were
able
to
identify
that
84
of
the
vacation.
Rentals
are
single
family
residences,
16
are
condominiums
and
4
percent
are
others,
such
as
a
commercial
property
or
a
duplex
multi-family
dwelling.
Additionally,
six
percent
of
the
registered
properties
in
the
city
are
considered
estate
homes,
which
is
a
property
that
has
five
or
more
bedrooms.
I
Moving
along
to
contract
summaries,
each
vacation
rental,
excluding
home
shares,
must
submit
a
summary
for
a
guest
stay
that
is
28
days
or
less
for
2021.
We
reviewed
the
median
data
regarding
how
many
summaries
were
submitted
by
each
property
for
owner
operated
properties.
Median
summaries
submitted
was
19
and
agencies
was
20.
I
For
both
owner
operated
and
agency
operated
properties,
we
identified
how
many
new
summaries
were
submitted.
How
many
were
cancelled
and
also
looked
at
average
length
of
stay
for
each
stay?
Both
reviews
of
owner-operated
and
agency
operating
properties
show
an
average
guest's
length
of
state
of
five
days.
I
We
then
place
total
summary
submissions
into
nine
buckets
with
each
bucket,
consisting
of
a
range
of
four.
This
shows
where
properties
fall
into
with
respect
to
total
contracts
being
used,
for
example,
on
this
slide,
the
owner
summary
slide.
We
see
that
153
properties
submitted
between
at
least
33
and
36
contract
summaries
for
the
year.
I
I
Overall,
the
data
shows
that
42
neighborhoods,
with
a
con
with
a
contract,
summary
summary
submitted
to
the
city,
a
median
of
19
to
20
stays
for
each
property
and
little
over
44
000
summaries
submitted
in
2021.
On
this
slide.
It
shows
a
snapshot
of
a
table
that
is
included
in
the
staff
report
on
page
16..
I
The
next
date
in
the
report
is
regarding
our
vacation
rental
hotline.
The
hotline
provides
information
on
each
call
that
comes
in
and
categorizes.
These
calls
as
an
active
nuisance
or
non-active
new
nuisance,
regardless
of
if
the
property
is
a
registered
vacation,
rental
or
not,
an
active
nuisance
may
include
music
at
a
property
loud
occupants
or
a
trash
concern.
I
A
non-active
nuisance
includes
calls
that
are
referred
to
the
office
or
the
website
and
usually
contain
requests
on
how
to
apply
for
a
permit
or
what
time
the
office
opens,
but
also
includes
hangups
or
disconnected
calls.
This
report
this
evening
focuses
on
active
nuisance
calls
only
out
of
the
total
active
nuisance
calls
received.
76
percent
of
the
calls
were
active
nuisances
at
a
registered
vacation
rental.
I
I
The
department
also
looked
at
active
nuisance
calls
by
year
and
quarter
and,
while
calls
are
received
throughout
the
year
quarter,
two
which
is
april
may
and
june
received
the
most.
The
slide
also
includes
active
nuisance,
calls
that
were
not
associated
with
the
registered
vacation
rental
and
for
reference
a
table
was
provided
in
the
staff
report
on
page
18
that
shows
a
breakdown
of
active
nuisance
calls
to
a
registered
vacation
rental
by
neighborhood.
I
I
I
The
city
provides
residents,
multiple
resources
to
report
nuisance
concerns
regarding
vacation.
Rentals
residents
can
report
concerns
through
the
hotline
at
the
city's.
My
palm
springs
app
are
called
the
police,
not
emergency
line.
The
citation
data
provided
reflects
reflected
in
this
report
reflects
citations
issued
to
vacation
rentals
from
all
of
these
sources.
I
I
I
I
I
H
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
go
over
our
transient
occupancy
tax
in
relationship
to
vacation
rentals
every
operator
is
required
to
have
a
tot
permit
or
transient
occupancy
tax
permit.
Every
month
they
have
to
remit
that
tax
to
the
city,
the
current
rate
for
the
transient
occupant
tax
is
11.5
percent.
In
july
of
this
year,
an
additional
one
percent
tourism
bureau
improvement.
District
tax
was
imposed
on
our
vacation
rental
homes.
The
funds
are
used
specifically
for
marketing
and
destination
program.
H
A
J
H
J
J
H
By
definition
of
our
ordinance,
every
vacation
rental
is
a
second
residence
because
because
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance
states
that
a
vacation
rental
is
a
secondary
and
ancillary
use,
so
it's
defined
as
a
their
secondary
home.
We
can
do
a
deeper
dive,
but
it
was
difficult
to
determine
how
many
were
occupied
by
the
owner
primarily
and
they
only
rented
one
week,
their
entire
house
to
some
guest.
We
just
didn't
have
the
data
available
to
gather
this
quickly,
but
we
can,
if
you'd
like
us
to
return
with
that.
Okay,
that's.
J
H
J
Thank
you
so
that
that
is
something
in
the
future
that
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
so
that
we
can
get
an
understanding
of
really
what
we're
looking
at
here,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
this
idea
that
vacation
rentals
are
only
used
for
vacation
rental
purposes
the
entire
year.
But
if
there's
people
who
are
here
six
months
out
of
the
year,
as
you
know,
part-time
residents-
that,
I
think
that's
a
good
distinction
that
we
need
to
know.
K
You,
madam
mayor,
if
I
can
just
ask
a
follow-up
question:
thank
you
for
that
question.
Mayor
pro
tem.
I
think
that's
really
interesting
too
and
yeah.
Maybe
one
way
we
could
get.
There
is
the
number
of
contracts,
but
we
also
collect
the
owner
data
right,
so
we
would
have
the
address
of
the
llc
or
the
individual
trust
or
the
individual
owner
and
sort
of
if
they're,
using
their
rental
at
that
home.
You
know
that's
their
primary
residence
versus
if
it's
an
out
of
town
investor
or
something
like
that.
We
have
that
information
in
general
right.
A
A
A
H
I
I
A
L
We
can
see
that
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods
so
of
the
and
we
don't
allow
them
in
multi-family
homes
except
duplexes
if
one
is
unoccupied,
so
we
have
very
few
of
those
as
we
can
see
so
looking
at
the
single
family
homes.
Do
we
have
a
sense?
What
percentage
are
now
vacation
rental
permitted
or
do
we
not?
We
don't
really
know
how
many
single-family
homes
we
have
yet
right.
We.
H
H
L
L
A
A
I
know
that
our
data
on
vacation
rentals
includes
the
number
of
bedrooms
that
we
believe
is
being
is
allowed,
so
I
have
no
reason
to
to
doubt
the
accuracy
of
these
numbers,
but
diligence
says
we
should
verify,
and
so
I
would
ask
both
with
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
the
number
of
bedrooms
total.
That
gives
us
a
sense
of
what
our
capacity
is
in
the
town
at
any
given
time.
A
A
Mr
dotto
made
note
of
this,
but
most
of
our
hotels
are
occupying
right
now
at
very
close
to
100
capacity.
If
that
is
true,
then
any
elimination
of
rooms
from
vacation
rentals
would
necessarily
be
fewer
rooms
available
for
those
who
want
to
visit
our
city-
and
I
think
I
know
people
feel
very
strongly
one
way
or
another
on
that
issue,
but
we
need
to
be
at
least
honest
with
ourselves
that
any
reduction
means
a
reduction
in
availability
of
people
to
come
to
our
city.
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
I
like
going
back
and
forth
better,
as
you
say
things
that
triggers
questions
for
me.
Do
you
have
a
sen
and
by
the
way,
the
report
is
very,
very
excellent,
really
really
good
work
pulling
together
all
this
data
in
a
digestible,
clear
way
for
the
public?
It's
a
really
amazing
report
and
presentation
that
you
did
so.
Thank
you
for
that.
I'm
wondering
if
you
looked
at
the
demand.
K
This
is
a
supply
and
it's
a
demand
issue
right,
so
sort
of
the
demand
of
what
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
applications
submitted
and
how
long
it
takes
you
know,
and
what
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
the
increase
if
there
is
one
in
applications
for
permits
and
what
those
trends
are,
and
you
might
not
be
able
to
answer
that
offhand.
I
know
that
wasn't
one
of
the
data
points
necessarily,
but
I'm
just
wondering
your
sense
in
that.
K
I
I
But
I
believe
it
was
76
new
applications.
We
have
in
queue
right
now,
just
for
new
applications,
and
on
top
of
that
we
have
over
we
process
monthly
average
100
and
plus
applications
just
to
renew
on
annual
basis.
So
as
far
as
what
we've
just
noticed
in
conversation
and
staff,
we
have
noticed
that
we
are
receiving
an
increase
of
vacation
rental
applications
and
are
these
new
properties
that
are
not
been
vacation.
Rentals.
I
F
I
K
A
Now,
let's
take
seven
other
neighborhoods
that
are
generally
identified
as
less
accessible
because
of
cost
vista,
los
palmas,
oldless
promise
movie
colony,
mesa,
deep,
well,
indian,
canyons
and
andreas
hills.
During
the
course
of
five
years.
There
are
a
total
of
14
more
vacation
rentals
in
those
seven
neighborhoods
and
two
of
the
neighborhoods
even
saw
a
decline
in
the
number
of
vacation
rentals.
A
I
think
it
it's
hard
not
to
come
to
the
conclusion
that
the
significant
number
of
the
vacation
rentals
that
are
new
in
the
last
five
years
are
investors
going
into
communities
where
there's
the
greatest
opportunity
to
get
in
at
what
they
would
consider
to
be
a
reasonable
cost
and
make
a
convert
either
a
conversion
into
vacation
rental
or
continuation
into
vacation
rental.
But
it's
a
part
of
the
market
that
I
think
all
of
us
are
concerned
about,
because
it
has
an
impact
not
only
in
that
market,
but
affordability
below.
A
A
A
And
I'll
continue
on
with
one
more
set
of
comments
back
in
2017,
one
of
the
measures
that
was
passed
in
council,
member
coors
and
council
member
roberts
at
the
time
did
incredible.
Work
on
this
was
a
requirement
that
going
forward
no
one
could
own
more
than
one
home,
and
that
was
specifically
addressed
at
trying
to
minimize
the
number
of
individuals
that
were
coming
into
ownership
solely
or
overwhelmingly
for
investment
purposes,
as
opposed
to
what
we've
all
heard
about.
A
A
I
think
we
may
need
to
beef
up
some
of
our
restrictions
on
who
can
purchase
in
order
to
better
protect
that
it
is
individuals
who
have
some
stake
in
the
community
in
terms
of
planning
to
live
here
for
some
period
of
time,
and
one
proposal
that
I
have
considered
would
be
going
forward.
A
requirement
that
any
new
permit
can
only
be
issued
to
an
individ
individual
who
is
going
to
live
in
palm
springs
for
at
least
three
months
of
every
year.
Going
forward.
J
J
I
think
for
me
that
the
the
biggest
thing
is
that
housing
aspect-
and
it
is
very
telling
when
we
see
that
the
neighborhoods
that
have
the
most
increase
are
neighborhoods
that
were
used
to
be.
You
know.
Moderately
priced
homes
in
our
city,
desert
park
estates
was
where
I
probably
90
of
the
families
of
the
kids
lived
when
I
grew
up
here,
and
it
is
just
full
of
vacation
rentals
now
and
in
its
was
something
where
you
thought.
J
Okay,
people
will
retire
and
maybe
they'll
move
out
of
their
homes
and
then
either
children
will
be
able
to
come
back
to
the
community
or
maybe
other
young
families
will
be
able
to
move
in.
But
that
hasn't
been
the
case
because
there's
cash
offers
on
homes,
because
it
is
investors
that
come
in
it's
not
someone
not
most.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
lot
of
individuals
like
mayor
middleton
set.
Who
are?
J
Who
are
you
trying
to
have
a
small
investment
because
they
love
palm
springs
and
they
live
in
palm
springs.
Part
of
the
time?
And
that's
the
kind
of
data
and
information
that
I'm
also
interested
is
just.
How
do
we
determine
just
how
much
vacation
rentals
have
impacted
our
housing
market?
I
think,
with
the
bands
that
we're
seeing
across
the
coachella
valley,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
say
because
they've
all
been
so
recent,
so
we
really
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
change
the
market.
J
Obviously
palm
springs
has
the
highest
home
prices,
but
that's
been
the
case.
You
know
forever
in
the
coachella
valley,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
there
were
vacation
rentals.
So
as
we
move
forward,
that's
the
kind
of
information
I
do
want
to
see.
What
is
the
impact
to
cathedral
city
now
that
they've
they're
phasing
out
their
vacation
rentals?
Are
we
going
to
see
better
home
prices
lower,
which
is
really
lower
home
prices
there?
Because
for
me
this?
J
J
And
I'm
very
interested
in
in
something
similar
to
what
mayor
middleton
said
in
terms
of
limiting
who
can
have
vacation
rentals.
I
am
interested
in
a
moratorium
for
now,
as
we
did
as
we
discussed
this
issue.
I
think
it's
it's
tough
to
because
it
takes
time
to
go
through
all
of
this
and
to
make
changes.
I
I
don't
want
this
to
continue
to
go
from
2000
vacation,
rentals
to
2500
and
so
on,
while
we're
figuring
out
how
we
want
to
proceed.
So
I
do
think
a
moratorium
would
be
helpful.
J
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
here
that
are
interested
in
vacation
rentals
for
their
homes.
In
the
future
you
know,
maybe
they
will
need
to
relocate
for
work
and
they
want
to
be
able
to
have
a
vacation
rental
or
maybe
the
same
thing
talking
about
going
on
vacation
and
renting
out
their
homes,
part
of
the
time.
J
So
that's
my
my
initial
thoughts
on
this
and
I
do
appreciate
all
of
the
information
and
understand
that
a
lot
of
the
information
that
I've
raised
today
is
difficult
data
to
find,
and
so
I
do
hope
that
we
can
get
some
of
it
in
the
future
and
if
there
is
information
that
were
or
data
points
that
we
aren't
able
to
get.
If
we
could
just
distinguish
that
as
well
at
the
next,
the
next
meeting,
and
so
that
we
can
understand
why
that
information
isn't
available
and
and
go
from
there.
L
Great,
thank
you
yeah.
I
guess
one
question
justin,
because
I
think
one
of
the
it
sounds
like
we're
all
interested
in.
If
you
know,
if
we
look
at
both
agency
and
owners
of
the
2200
vacation,
rentals
515
are
rented
four
or
less
times
837,
12
or
less
so
like
40
are
rented
once
a
month
or
significantly
less.
I
don't
know,
is
it
possible
to
find
out
what's
happening
with
those
houses?
The
rest
of
the
time
are
the
people
living
there?
Are
they
doing
long-term
seasonal
rentals?
Are
they
sitting
them
totally
vacant?
M
M
I
don't
know
of
a
source
that
has
that
kind
of
information
readily
available
right,
so
we'd
be
trying
to
get
it
from
the
owners
themselves
in
some
way,
shape
or
form.
If
it
was
important
moving
forward,
it
really
seems
like
making
it
contingent
on.
The
permit
would
be
the
best
way,
but
that
might
not
help
us
looking
backward.
L
L
I
know
I
advocated
26
as
the
maximum
number
of
contracts,
because
I
think
it
starts
when
people
are
renting
it
out
and
if
the
average
is
five
days
each
that
much.
I
just
think
this
is
the
secondary
use
of
the
house
right
and
that's
sort
of
what
our
ordinance
says
is.
This
is
the
secondary
use
of
the
house.
It's
not
the
primary
use
and
we
don't
really
have
a
way.
We've
been
judging
that
or
a
way
to
tell.
L
L
That
clearly
is
against
what
our
ordinance
allows,
but
we
don't
have
any
way
that
we
do
anything
about
that
currently
in
the
ordinance.
So
I'd
like
you,
know
some
brains.
Thinking
about
that
in
the
future,
what
do
we
do
when
people
are
really?
These
houses
have
not
are
primarily
being
used
as
a
vacation
rental?
L
It's
a
secondary
use,
it's
not
the
secondary
use
anymore
and
because
that's
you
know
it's
very
different
if
someone's
renting
it
out
five
six
times
and
the
rest
of
the
time,
you
know
they're
doing
seasonal
or
they're
living
there,
and
this
helps
them
pay
their
mortgage,
and
I
know
people
have
done
that.
You
know
they
go
on
vacation,
usually
in
april
and
rent
out
the
house
for
two
or
three
weeks
during
coachella
and
stagecoach,
and
they
cover
a
lot
of
their
mortgage.
L
Otherwise
they
couldn't
live
here
right,
including
people
who
work
here
they
take
their
vacations
deliberately.
You
know
I
wouldn't
want
to.
You
know,
see
us
cap
those
right,
but
is
there
a
total
number
of
houses?
We'd
want
that
are
renting
it
more
than
that
you
know.
So
that's
one
of
the
issues
just
that
I
think
we
want
to
come
up
with
right.
Is
there
a
number
and
same
for
neighborhoods,
because
you
know
some
of
the
neighborhoods,
especially
smaller
lots
when
they
start
getting,
that
condensed
are
going
to
have
more
complaints?
L
And
it's
not
always
the
case,
and
maybe
you
know
when
you
get
to
40
saturation,
how
many
people
are
left
to
complain?
You
may
get
less
complaints
right
because
it's
mostly
because
you
know
it's
half
a
vacation,
rental
neighborhood.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
see
a
50
neighborhood.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
see
more
than
a
20
neighborhood.
So
but
again,
if
it's
for
rentals,
I
wouldn't
feel
that
and
that's
where
to.
L
One
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
throw
out,
which
I
know
mayor
pro
tem
garner
and
I
have
talked
about
and
raised
numerous
times
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
is
something
that
prohibits
a
home
getting
a
permit
for
a
period
of
time.
I'm
thinking
two
years
after
someone
who
was
not
a
short-term
renter
was
evicted
and
you
know
I
know
there
are
places
right.
L
L
I
don't
know
how
many
there
are,
but
I
think
we've
all
heard
of
situations
where
someone
who
was
a
long-term
runner
was
evicted
and
it
turns
into
a
vacation
rental,
and
that
is
a
real
concern,
because
you
know
we
want
people
not
to
risk
losing
their
house
for
that
purpose.
If
they're
renters,
I
would
think-
and
the
other
thing
is
just
you
know,
continuing
to
have
robust
enforcement.
That's
how
this
is
working
and
you
know
finding
the
people
that
we're
still
finding
people
who
are
renting
illegally.
L
You
know
that
we
need
to
stop
because
we
don't
know
it's
a
vacation,
rental,
they're,
sort
of
undercutting
the
whole
system
and
I'm
glad
those
numbers
are
going
down,
but
they
still
exist,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
goes
into
finding
those
folks.
So
those
are
just
my
general
general
comments.
K
I
mean
fundamentally,
this
is
the
supply
question
and
you
know
my
question
is:
if
we
were
to
do
a
ban,
which
I
don't
support
and
I
don't
think
voters
support
if
all
of
those
units
came
online,
would
that
reduce
the
housing
cost
in
palm
springs
or
would
other
investors
buy
it
for
their
other?
Second
home
I
mean
we've
always
been
a
tertiary
or
secondary
market.
We've
always
had
out
of
town.
K
You
know
seasonal
renters,
seasonal
owners,
and
so
I
think
it's
just
a
question
of
like
causation
and
and
in
you
know,
impacts
to
the
market,
but
I
share.
I
very
much
share
the
concern
about
gentrification
mayor
middleton
pointed
out
some
of
the
neighborhoods
which
that
was
really
instructive.
Thank
you,
mayor,
some
that
I
pointed
out
for
myself.
When
reading
this
was
dumuth
park,
which
is
a
historically
lower
income.
K
Neighborhood
in
the
city
of
palm
springs
are
veterans
tracked
communities
of
color,
some
people
who
have
been
here,
for
you
know,
generations
in
2017
that
was
38
and
now
it's
91.
So
that's
almost
tripling
the
number
lawrence
crossley.
There
were
two
in
2017
or
two
in
2018,
four
in
2019
and
then
nine
in
2021
and
then
same
thing,
desert
highlands
gateway
one
or
one
one,
one
for
2017,
2018,
2019
and
then
nine
in
2021,
and
so
those
are
really
small
numbers.
K
K
You
know
tenant
relocation,
assistance
for
no-fault
evictions
like
if
you're
being
evicted
because
they
change
the
use
other
tenant
protections.
You
know,
because
if
investors
are
coming
in
and
making
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
profit
on
a
home
and
then
pushing
out
residents
and
the
tenant
you
know
has
nowhere
to
go
and
then
prices
are
double
or
triple
somewhere
else.
K
And
this
most
of
my
comments
about
this
are
about
the
housing
crisis
and
that
again,
I
think
the
impacts
we
really
need
to
analyze,
because
some
cities,
like
ranch
mirage.
Actually,
I
think
we
could
look
at
palm
desert
because
they've
banned
for
a
long
enough
time.
Now
that
we
could
look
and
see
you
know
what
are
their
impacts
to
their
rental
or
their
housing
market.
K
I
know
remember:
council
member
foat
said
when
the
council
first
approved
this
ordinance
that
before
it
she
actually
said,
she'd
rather
have
vacation
rentals
on
her
street
than
vacant
homes,
and,
if
you
can
remember
back
in
2010
or
earlier,
you
know
one
of
the
recessions
that
we
faced
so
many
vacant
homes
and
that
not
being
a
contribution
to
the
community
right.
So
it's
a
balance
there
of
you
know.
K
If
we
do
limits,
is
it
just
going
to
go
to
vacancy
and
other
investors,
or
is
it
truly
going
to
go
to
long-term
tenants,
which
is
what
we
really
want?
You
know,
other
cities
have
done
like
incentives
for
workforce
housing
or
incentives
for
landlords
to
rent
out
long
term.
So
you
know,
I
think,
like
our
housing
policy
would
be
how
to
really
incentivize
long-term
housing.
Rentals
and.
K
Supply
side,
just
you
know,
building
more
housing,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
the
comments
that
I
have.
I
am
interested
in
like
what
the
public
process
is
for
these
conversations
I
know
council
member
coors
was
the
only
one
who
was
here
when
the
council
decided
in
2017.
I
know
you're
an
instrumental
part
in
that
ordinance
and
how
it
was
written.
So
you
know
how
can
we
engage
in
the
with
the
realtors
and
some
of
the
other
stakeholders
and
talking
about
what
are
the
drivers
for
the
housing
crisis
in
palm
springs?
L
And
I
mean
the
list
is
endless,
and
you
know
we
want
to
hasten
road
repairs.
There
are
real
impacts
right
when
you
make
that
kind
of
cut,
and
I
appreciate
the
quality
isn't
all
about
money
right.
But
money
is
a
big
factor
in
how
you
run
a
city
and
without
it
you
have
to
make
tough
decisions,
and
that
doesn't
mean
you
don't
make
changes
to
address
concerns
you
do,
but
I
just
want
you
know
that's
in
the
staff
report.
L
I
don't
think
it
went
into
detail
in
the
report
so
in
the
oral
presentation,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
just
to
highlight
that
for
the
public-
and
I
so
from
a
staff
perspective,
you
know
I'm
thinking
we're,
throwing
some
broad
concepts
right
out,
and
so
what
is
most
helpful?
I
mean
it
sounds
right.
This
has
been
a
suggestion
of.
L
Maybe
we
don't
issue
permits
as
we're
trying
to
figure
stuff
out
suggestion
of
maybe
it's
a
working
group
that
includes
right
residents,
including
neighborhood
organizations
right
at
the
table
with
people
who
have
their
own
homes
that
they
rent
and
the
agencies
that
rent
and
the
realtors.
You
know
sort
of
as
a
working
group
to
look
at
this.
So
I'm
just
thinking
like
I
mean
I'm
I
could
get
into
you
know
lots
more
detail
of
some
ideas
I
have,
but
it
doesn't
sound
like
we're
quite
at
that
stage.
So
I'm
just
sort
of
curious
mayor.
M
Sure,
certainly,
continued
process
by
way
of
working
group
and
engagement
of
stakeholders
makes
sense
to
me,
especially
in
the
areas
where
some
of
the
policy
direction
might
be
a
little
more
ambiguous.
So,
for
instance,
if
there
was
interest
in
trying
to
really
solidify
that
this
activity
would
be
more
of
a
secondary
use
instead
of
a
primary,
that's
a
pretty
broad,
open-ended
area
that
we
could
explore
in
other
instances.
If
we
were
to
consider
something
like
a
cap
in
neighborhoods,
again,
that's
much
more
straightforward.
M
So
it
might
be
eventually
up
to
council
to
kind
of
assess
and
decide
where
that
cap
should
be,
but
even
that
we
could
take
to
a
working
group
to
just
you
know
at
least
vet,
where
we
think
you
know,
numbers
might
fall
and
the
rationale
and
to
kind
of
vet
that
further.
So
I
think
that
strikes
me
as
a
good
way
to
both
get
engagement
and
to
kind
of
flesh
out
some
of
the
detail
with
some
of
these
issues
a
little
more.
M
But
that
said
still
helpful
that
if
council
is
fairly
resolved
in
certain
concepts
like
a
cap
or
exploring
certain
areas
that
many
of
you
have
touched
on
individually
and
some
have
agreed,
but
we
we
maybe
want
to
revisit
and
make
sure
that
there's
broader
consensus.
All
of
that
direction
helps
to
to
keep
that
working
group
and
any
other
stakeholder
in
stakeholder
engagement
focused.
A
A
It
would
also
give
some
more
time
I
think
it'd
be
really
helpful
to
be
reaching
out
broadly
to
individuals
who
are
a
part
of
the
real
estate
market,
the
vacation
rental
industry,
neighborhood
groups
and
those
who
very
strongly
believe
that
vacation
rentals
are
not
an
appropriate
use
in
our
our
city.
We
need
to
engage
a
conversation.
That's
broad-based
one
concern
I
have.
A
I
would
not
want
to
impact
anyone
who
is
currently
in
escrow,
but
I
also
am
really
nervous
about
triggering
some
kind
of
mass
increase
in
properties
being
purchased
and
applications
being
made
in
the
next
weeks
or
months
as
we
are
debating
these
issues,
and
this
would
be
a
question
for
the
city
attorney.
But
what
what
opportunities
do
we
have
to
take
and
make
a
statement
along
the
lines
of?
A
C
We
could
probably
make
that
work,
the
the
agenda
deadline
for
that
is
going
out
on
thursday,
but
if
the
council
directs
us
to,
we
could
put
that
together.
The
ordinance
itself
may
not
be
available
by
thursday,
but
we
could
certainly
put
the
staff
report
together
and
have
it
have
it
before
the
council
next
by
next
thursday.
If
you
direct
this
to
all.
L
I
have
a
question
veronica
or
patrick,
so
I
can
ask
it
in
the
morning
if
you
can
get
up,
if
you
want
so
of
those
31,
you
have,
and
I
thought
I
think
you
didn't,
but
if
you
do
are
those
homes
that
are
vacation,
rentals,
that
are
simply
transferring
ownership
or
those
new
people
who
have
never.
The
house
has
never
not
been
a
vacation
rental
before.
I
I
K
H
I
want
to
point
out,
though,
that
in
addition
to
new
applications,
we
have
closures
to
be
processed,
so
there
is
a
balancing
there,
so
there
might
be
76
new
to
be
processed,
but
we
also
have
30
or
40
to
be
closed.
So
we
can
get
that
data
for
you
as
well
to
show
that
the
impact
isn't
as
great
as
it
sounds
off
their
76
and
queue
to
be
opened.
K
Right
and
I
mean
that's
the
data
we
need,
I
think
in
analyzing.
That
is,
you
know,
what's
been
that,
like
I
said,
input
and
output,
but
that's
not
the
right
word.
What's
the
you
know
q
and
then
what's
the
loss
of
units
over
time
because
it
hasn't
increased
that
much
over
time,
but
we
want
to
know
if
there
is
a
significant
increase.
H
K
H
You
have
to
have
title
because
if
you
submit
an
application,
when
you're
in
escrow
it's
very
difficult
to
process,
because
you
can
most
likely
aren't
going
to
have
the
insurance,
we
can't
verify
the
ownership.
This
is
where
we
look,
because
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
verifying
that
they
do
not
own
any
of
the
other
vacation
rentals.
Even
if
it's
in
llc
or
trust,
we
ask
for
all
members,
we
compare.
H
J
J
J
You
know
housing
is
not
a
human
right,
it
should
be,
but
it's
not,
and
so
we
are
in
this
situation,
where
we
do
need
the
money
that
comes
from
things
like
this,
in
order
to
provide
housing
subsidies
and
support,
because
we
cannot
trust
the
market
to
allow
for
everyone
to
be
housed.
The
market
is
a
serious
failure
in,
in
my
opinion,
in
terms
of.
J
K
It
could
be
something
else
too.
Council
could
just
set
aside
it
like
we've
done
for
road
repairs
or
what
have
you,
but
I'm
really
supportive
of
finding
an
income
stream
for
housing.
So
we
can
develop
workforce
housing
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
know
council's
considering
inclusionary
zoning
and
other
measures.
K
But
fundamentally
this
is
the
supply
issue
and
we
just
need
a
significant
amount:
more
housing,
especially
workforce
and
middle
income
and
low
income.
So
I'm
really
supportive
of
doing
that
and
I'm
wondering
if
I
know
we
scheduled
out
a
few
of
our
study
sessions,
but
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
housing
crisis
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
they're
related,
but
you
know
separate
out
or
also
discuss
more
deeply.
What
are
those
tenant
protections?
Broadly
because
I
talked
about
tenant
protections
for
vacation
rentals,
but
broadly
right?
K
What
are
those
housing
policies
that
we
can
bring
forward
on?
Because
it
is
a
crisis
for
everyone
for
all
renters,
even
for
cities
that
have
no
vacation
rentals.
You
know
prices
are
still
going
up
and
it
is
a
crisis.
So
I'd
love
to
see
us
study
those
issues
more
in
depth
and
really
bring
forward
policy
to
protect
tenants
and
find
funding
to
develop
new
housing.
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
a
few
years
ago
was
to
prohibit
an
apartment
from
being
converted
to
a
vacation
rental.
I,
from
a
public
policy
standpoint
c,
no
reason
why
we
could
not
extend
that
to
single-family
homes
that
are
being
used
in
the
rental
market,
that
for
long-term
rental,
that
they
cannot
be
converted
to
short-term
rental.
L
It
gives
us
a
little
more
information,
but
looking
at
some
options
around
that
right,
because
we
don't
want
people
buying
homes
in
lower
for
palm
springs
price
neighborhoods
who
are
never
going
to
use
it,
because
that
is
clearly
not
a
secondary
use
of
that
house.
It
is
the
primary
use
of
that
house,
and
just
you
know,
thought
a
little
bit
about
how
we
might
do
that,
but
just
a
little.
L
So
just
you
know
thinking
about
that
and
for
the
city
attorney,
because
you
know
that's
how
our
ordinance
was
able
to
stay
is
because
it's
not
the
primary
use.
It's
not
business.
First,
it's
someone's
home
that
they're
using
first
and
just
thinking
that
through
a
little
and
that
could
be
something
you
know
with
some
ideas
that
would
be
good
to
bring
back.
J
Thank
you
and
I
I
really
think
this
is
an
important
point
to
talk
about
the
secondary
use,
because
up
until
I
don't
know
a
month
ago,
I
didn't
know
that
right
there
are
so
many
vacation
rentals
in
our
city
that
are
they're
businesses.
This
is,
they
are
businesses
they
advertise
that
way.
It
is
very
clear.
J
J
H
H
They
themselves
will
go
online
to
assist,
to
find
unregistered
rentals
and
give
the
tips
to
him.
I
mean
they're,
very
hard-working,
but
it
is
difficult
due
to
the
amount
out
there
that
we
know
are
happening.
We
do
search
more
as
festival
season
is
approaching.
This
is
one
of
the
best
times
to
look
for
unregistered
rentals,
because
you
see
new
ads
popping
up
all
the
time,
so
it
is
difficult
and
some
additional
support
would
be
helpful.
I
believe.
A
A
We
are
receiving
an
incredible
number
of
compliments
from
practically
everyone.
Who's
new
coming
into
palm
springs
about
how
vital
and
exciting
our
downtown
is-
and
I
think
all
of
us
take
pride
in
that
and
the
full-time
residents
we're
getting
opportunities
to
have
choices
in
entertainment
and
culture
that
we
would
not
have.
But
for
this
impact.
So
there
are
benefits
across
the
board,
but
we've
got
to
get
these
things
balanced
in
a
way
that
those
benefits
are
not
producing
negative
impacts
on
our
community
and
on
the
ability
of
people
to
live
in
this
community.
K
Yeah
thank
you
mayor,
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
since
we're
discussing
and
studying
the
issue,
one
thing
we
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
people
connected
to
the
community
and
I
think
about
this
in
sort
of
future.
Looking
like
decades
perspective
right,
because
I
know
what
we're
seeing
now-
and
this
is
a
statewide
housing
crisis
and
we're
impacted
by
other
regions.
So
what
I
think
we're
seeing
and
I
love
the
data
whatever
we
can
get,
even
just
with
from
the
realtors
about
trends
about
who's
buying.
K
They
probably
have
you
know
who's
buying,
vacation,
rentals
cvep
maintains
a
lot
of
this
data
about
the
market,
but
what
I
think
you're,
seeing
at
least
I'll
speak
for
my
generation,
is
a
lot
of
people
who
are
in
their
30s
or
you
know,
early
40s
who
have
collected.
You
know
who
are
able
who
have
saved
some
money
but
cannot
buy
a
home
in
the
markets
that
they
live.
K
San
francisco
l.a
coastal
communities,
and
so
what
I
think
we're
seeing
is
those
people
who
do
have
a
nest,
egg
being
and
they
you
know,
might
be
lgbtq.
They
might
love
palm
springs.
They
might
have
various
reasons
for
wanting
to
be
here
and
then
I
what
I'm
seeing
is
that
they're
often
buying
homes
and
then
they
can't
afford
it
on
their
own.
You
know
just
to
have
a
second
home,
along
with
their
rental
in
the
urban
area.
K
They
live
and
so
they're
kind
of
investing
in
this
way,
and
so
I
just
want
to
not
push
back,
but
just
talk
about
like
the
long-term
ownership
in
palm
springs
and
like
the
long-term
residents
and
communities,
and
I
think
that's
what
we've
seen
over
time
right.
That's
the
trend
is,
but
it's
happening
earlier
because
of
the
housing
crisis
and
people,
but
just
being
totally
pushed
out
of
markets
and
then
now
we're
seeing
with
remote
work,
people
being
able
to
actually
live
here
and
come
and
go
so
I
just,
I
think
it's
it's
hard.
K
A
L
No,
I
think
that's
a
good
point,
and
also
you
know
when,
when
that
recession
hit,
you
know
the
first
people
sort
of
walk
away
were
people
who
were
able
to
walk
away
from
their
homes
without
a
consequence
right
because
they
were
so
underwater
and
there
were
some
full-time
residents
but
sort
of
the
second
homes
that
really
impacted
us
right.
You
know
people
who
lived
here
still
tried
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
work.
L
So
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
conversation.
I
do
agree,
you
know,
and
it
is
related
to
this.
You
know
committing
to
you
know,
figuring
out
how
we're
going
to
build
like
workforce
and
attainable
housing,
not
just
officially
low-income
housing
but
obtainable
housing,
and
that
can
be
done.
You
know
with
minimum
30-day
rentals
right.
We've
done
that
on
some
projects,
where
you
can't
make
it
a
vacation
rental
right
moving
forward.
L
I
think
there's
really
an
opportunity
to
set
some
policy
on
what
we
want
to
do
moving
forward
that,
I
think,
could
really
have
a
positive
impact.
So
it's
related,
but
not
this
exact
question,
but
I
do
think
from
a
policy.
It's
not
just
money
and
without
money
we're
not
going
to
have
that
kind
of
housing,
because
you
have
to
give
incentives.
L
So
I
think
that's
one
thing
we
definitely
can
look
at
and
just
from
you
know,
for
the
city
attorney,
you
know,
as
you
think,
a
little
bit
about
you
know
what
really
gets
us
into
an
ancillary
use
and
just
making
sure
we
have
some
way
we're.
Even
letting
people
know
right.
Like
you
know
we
it
is
it
it
is
that
you're
going
to
be
utilizing.
This
house.
L
Whether
you're,
renting
it
out
six
months
of
the
year
and
a
long
in
a
part-time
rental,
that's
still
using
it
primarily
for
something
other
than
short-term
vacation
rentals
and
just
thinking
thinking
that
through,
because
I
agree
with
you-
people
there's
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
that's
five
years
ago
and
really
thinking
through
how
that
would
work.
I
think
it
will
be
helpful.
K
K
L
Mean
the
idea
of
doing
it
by
contracts,
which
I
don't
think
anyone
else
had
done
at
that
point-
was
you're
not
renting
it
out.
You
know
52
weekends
a
year
right
which
was
impacting
residents.
It
also
meant
you
weren't,
really
using
it.
If
you
was
getting
rented
out
three
day,
weekends
or
two
day
weekends.
L
Almost
every
week,
so
26
half
half
the
weeks
seemed
like
the
right
number,
various
reasons
that
there
wasn't
support
for
that,
and
you
know
signature
gathering
that
stopped
an
ordinance
from
getting
into
effect
and
negotiations
and
trying
to
get
both
sides
to
a
compromise
which
came
very
close,
but
one
still
brought
a
ballot
measure,
but
that
was
the
goal
of
that
right
to
come
up
with
this
way
of
looking
at
it.
So
that
was
the
thought
as
opposed
to
you
know.
M
So,
mayor
council,
I've
been
keeping
a
few
notes
as
we
go
and
they're
not
in
any
particular
order.
At
this
point
I
haven't
had
time
to
categorize
them,
but
we
have
the
issue
of
further
exploring
secondary
versus
ancillary
use
and
maybe
a
couple
of
ideas
that
have
been
tossed
out.
I
won't
get
into
some
of
the
specifics
because
that
gets
into
my
notes,
but
just
a
variety
of
ways
that
we
might
look
at
that
issue:
more
data
on
the
impact
of
housing,
which
really
may
be
something
more
like
a
housing
study.
M
We
could
glean
some
anecdotal
evidence
from
surrounding
communities
and
things,
but
really
a
lot
of
this
relates
to
understanding
housing,
housing
problem
and
housing
strategies
addressing
or
at
least
examining
concentration,
look
potentially
into
prohibiting
people
from
renting
within
a
certain
time.
If
it's
been
previously
occupied
by
a
long-term
rental,
tenant,
so
again,
kind
of
housing-related
policy,
these
notes
would
need
to
be
cleaned
up
right.
M
Looking
at
other
strategies
that
might
be
on
the
periphery,
but
things
like
assigning
t.o.t
or
other
sources
for
housing,
looking
at
issues
with
unregistered
rentals,
if
we
still
have
any
of
those-
and
I
think
that
broadly
kind
of
encapsulates-
there's
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
nuance
within
that
that
I
think
we
would
want
to
explore
some
of
the
specific
policy
suggestions,
but
but
really
it's
secondary
ancillary
use,
housing
impacts
and
a
lot
of
engagement
with
stakeholders
to
kind
of
vet
more
thoroughly.
Our
policy
options.
A
J
M
Quickly
on
that
point,
if
I
may,
I
did
take
the
liberty
of
kind
of
looking
at
some
of
our
work
plans
in
our
four-month
summary.
We
did
anticipate
that
this
conversation
would
likely
continue
to
another
meeting
or
two
depending
on
how
robust
the
engagement
is,
that
might
be
a
little
broader
and
then
within
the
housing
topic.
M
We
do
have
a
number
of
things
that
are
segues
to
the
conversation,
perhaps
not
at
the
scale
of
of
another
study
session,
but
you
know
housing
element
and
some
other
conversations
that
are
on
the
agenda
for
the
four-month
time
frame
and
then
budget
conversations
as
well,
where
we'll
look
at
sources
and
uses
and
financing,
and
so
somewhere
on
that
near
horizon.
I
do
think
those
items
would
coalesce
into
something
of
the
scale
of
a
study
session
kind
of
look
holistically
at
that
topic.
K
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
and
I
do
think
they're
related,
because
I
think
it's
easy
to
attribute
the
housing
crisis
just
to
vacation
rentals
or
even
assume
that
I
just
don't
want
to
make
assumptions.
I
really
want
to
know
you
know
between
housing,
impacts
and,
and
this
whole
conversation,
and
it's
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
piece
it
and
say
it's
25
of
the
impact,
but
you
know
have
more
information
than
what
we
do
now,
while
we're
legislating
that
with
this
summary,
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
more
thing.
K
If
there's
support
from
council,
I
heard
council,
member,
coors
and
mayor
middleton
talk
about
t.o.t
impacts
and
tourism
and
jobs,
and
so
just
want
to
think
through,
like
tourism
data,
because
I
think
we're
in
this
situation.
You
know
respectfully
to
our
neighboring
cities
is
that
we
know
that
the
coachella
valley
doesn't
have
enough
hotel
rooms,
for
you
know
large
festivals
and
events
and
seasons,
and
so
we
do
rely
on
vacation
rental
stock.
K
Unless
we
develop
a
lot
more
hotels
but
there's
you
know
it's
a
seasonality
thing
and
so
understanding
like
what
is
the
overall
demand
for
units.
You
know
to
understand
you
know
and
how
that's
impacting
the
demand
in
palm
springs,
because
you
know
we
could
do
it
overall
in
the
coachella
valley.
What
I'm
concerned
is
seeing
all
these
cities
take.
In
my
opinion,
extreme
measures
to
ban
or
do
moratoriums
really
really
significant
and
significantly
increases
the
demand
for
vacation
rentals
in
palm
springs.
K
And
that's
what
scares
me
is,
you
know:
are
we
going
to
have
to
fill
that
fill
that
gap
and
we
just
don't
have
the
housing
stock
to
do
it.
So
I
would
ask
if
council
supports
that,
including
a
conversation
on
tourism
and
data
from
the
cvb,
which
council
member
course
chairs
to
understand
what
that
demand
and
supply
side
is
for
tourism.
L
And
that's
actually
being
studied
right
now
and
I
think
for
city,
so
yeah
there's
some
of
that
data
initially,
but
we
won't
have
to
do
that
study
justin.
So
I
think
that
that
might
helpful.
So
you
know
anyone
who
knows
we're
having
this
conversation,
I
I
think
can
also
have
the
opposite
effect
right,
because
some
cities,
you
know
that-
have
banned
vague
instrumentals.
You
know
you
had
a
year
and
then
you
were
banned
so
if
you're
looking
to
buy
it
primarily
as
a
vacation
rental.
L
So
just
so
we
have,
you
know
some
outreach,
maybe
to
you
know
the
head
of
the
board
of
the
realtors
association
and
a
couple
conversations
and
get
just
so
people
can
weigh
in
because
and
200
people
applied
for
permits,
thinking
they
needed
to
get
in
under
the
wire
if
they
want
to
rent
their
house
out.
So
I
do
think
we
want.
L
L
If
that
is
good
or
you
know,
we
could
bring
it
back
for
discussion
and
you
know,
ask
the
organizations
you
know
as
a
like
a
little
mini
study
session
for
half
hour
only
before
a
council
meeting
or
something
where
we
have
some
folks,
you
know
or
the
heads
of
the
organizations
just
that
we
can
have
a
conversation
with
or
something
I'm
just
trying
to
think
how
we
can
have
that
conversation
in
a
way
that
doesn't
cause.
I
think.
A
A
L
And
just
a
suggestion,
if
it's
good
that
maybe
given
you
worked
a
lot
on
this
when
you're
ahead
of
1ps
during
that
year,
but
whether
it's
justin
who's
played
his
fuller,
your
plate
is
full.
You
know
maybe
having
a
couple
of
those
conversations
you
know
with
the
realtors
and
some
others
to
just
get
a
sense
on
how
we
can
have
this
window
and
start
talking
about
a
working
group.
So
they
you
know
we're
not
talking
about
it.
L
A
A
Now
you
know,
I
think
all
of
us
were
and
I'm
glad
that
council
member
hull
said
you
added
to
mooth
park.
I
missed
that
to
the
list.
What
we
saw
is
in
the
last
in
the
first
part
of
this
past
decade
there
was
a
tremendous
amount
of
growth
in
some
pretty
popular
neighborhoods,
but
because
of
the
recession,
they
were
very
accessible
in
the
last
half
of
this
decade
the
growth
has
been
in
communities
that
have
traditionally
been
our
most
accessible
neighborhoods
and
that's
that's.
A
policy
concern
moving
forward.
L
A
M
I
mean
that's,
that's
probably
a
few
months
to
really
do
this
thoughtfully,
that
there
might
be
some
things
we
do
in
the
meantime.
For
instance,
we
heard
about
maybe
getting
some
perspective
from
realtors
on
any
emerging
trends
or
current
trends
in
the
market,
so
that
we
know
if
there's
any
other
temporary
measures
that
might
be
needed.
M
So
we
might
have
some
touch
points
there,
but
and
and
then
we
would
also
have
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
bring
this
back
in
bits
and
pieces,
as
the
working
group
is
completing
its
its
work
or
whether
or
not
to
bring
you
a
complete
set
of
recommendations.
So
we
need
to
think
that
through,
but
needless
to
say,
it
wouldn't
be
at
an
either
of
the
the
next
two
or
three
or
any
of
the
next
two
or
three
or
four
meetings
likely
as
we
assemble
that
group
and
get
started.