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A
B
B
B
B
C
B
You
very
much,
as
the
committee
have
any
revisions
to
the
agenda
for
today.
I
would
like
to
propose
one,
which
is
the
new
business
item
number
five,
one:
four,
six:
six
holdings
LLC
for
a
minor
architectural
application
for
a
remodel
and
minor
addition
to
an
existing
hotel;
okay,
they
add
1466
to
be
moved
to
the
consent.
Calendar
I.
D
C
B
B
We
do
tow
I'm.
Sorry
did
we
take
about
with
it
right?
Okay,
since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue.
That's
within
the
committee's
purview
comments
on
an
item.
That's
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time.
The
item
is
being
presented.
Anybody
here
for
an
item
for
a
discussion
of
an
item.
That's
not
on
today's
agenda.
Okay,
since
there's
not,
we
will
proceed
to
last
week's
meeting
minutes
any
revisions
to
the
minutes,
either.
Committee.
D
E
B
Okay,
so
I'm
here
to
repeat
that
the
application
for
remodel
a
minor
addition
for
an
existing
hotel
located
on
Palm
Canyon
has
been
moved
to
consent
and
approved
all
right.
Having
said
that,
we
will
move
on
to
unfinished
business
item
number
two:
freehold
Communities
LLC
request
for
a
preliminary
plan;
development
district,
a
major
architecture,
application
for
the
development
located
I'm
known
as
phase
one
Merrill
own
staff
report.
Please.
F
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
ASC,
please
forgive
me
if
I
sound
a
little
weird
or
funny
it's
because
I'm
not
feeling
very
well
but
I'm
here.
So
if
you
recall,
this
item
was
presented
to
you
in
the
AAC
meaning
of
May
7,
2008
eeen,
and
also,
if
you
recall,
this
is
a
preliminary
planned
development
district
application
and
we
went
through
the
process
of
PGD
review
and
approval
process
at
that
meeting.
However,
you
had
that
meeting.
F
You
have
some
comments
and
you
had
some
concerns
and
you
gave
directions
to
the
applicant
to
go
back
and
make
some
revisions
based
on
those
comments
that
you
provided
and
asked
him
as
the
applicant
to
bring
this
item
before
you
today.
So
if
you
look
at
the
mayor,
mode
has
been
prepared
on
the
very
first
page,
the
II's,
a
except
from
the
minutes
and
from
the
comments
and
directions
that
you
give.
F
There
were
about
nine
of
them
and
following
the
meeting
at
the
AAC
on
May
7
staff
also
met
with
the
applicant
and
his
landscape,
designers
and
architects,
who
met
with
the
team
to
go
through
those
comments
again
and
reinforced
eyes.
The
directions
that
you
gave
and
ask
the
applicant
to
make
those
revisions
well,
those
revisions
have
been
made
and
if
you
look
at
one
of
the
on
the
first
package
that
you
have
on
this
one
here
in
the
very
last
page,
you
will
see
decide
the
two
side
plans
side
by
side.
F
So
on
the
phone,
the
one
on
the
left
is
the
previous
I
plan
and
the
second
one
is
r1
with
the
revisions
based
on
the
direction
that
you
gave.
I
just
want
before
I
call
the
applicant
for
a
presentation.
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
we
talked
about
the
last
time
number
one.
This
is
a
preliminary
planned
development
district
application
so
default.
You
see
today
is
a
concept
of
the
proposed
development.
It
is
going
to
be
located
in
in
a
in
a
site
that
has
an
overall
development
of
1,100
350
residential
units.
F
This
component
of
it
is
only
the
multi-family
development,
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
silicon's,
who
have
previously
approved
the
preliminary
development
plans
or
the
single-family
portion
of
this
development.
Also,
this
is
a
portion
of
a
previously
recorded
map.
So,
but
in
spite
of
all
of
that,
the
applicant
was
able
to
make
some
revisions
based
on
the
directions
given
by
the
AEC
at
the
May
7.
Meeting.
Chief
amongst
us
is
that
number
one
they've
addressed
concerned.
I
was
raised
by
staff
and
re-emphasize
by
the
AAC.
They
have
included
attraction
closures
in
the
development.
F
Also
you
about
the
rigidity
of
the
parcel
they've
made
some
changes
to
address
your
concerns.
You've
also
made
some
changes
to
the
placement
of
the
one
and
the
two-story
buildings
to
address
the
privacy
concerns
talked
about
by
the
AAC
on
may
7th
they've.
Also
added
to
the
south
of
this
development.
We've
added
an
open
space
with
additional
seating
to
that
section
and
they've
also
moved
the
placement
of
the
buildings
next
to
the
Grove,
to
create
some
more
shall
I,
say
a
more
interest
in
that
area.
So
overall
they've
made
all
these
changes.
F
So
our
staffs
recommendation
today
is
that
to
recommend
approval
of
this
preliminary
plan
development
district
to
the
Planning
Commission,
it
will
come
back
again
as
a
final
PDD
to
you,
and
that
would
be
consistent
with
what
the
code
says.
So
that
will
conclude
my
presentation.
The
applicant
is
here
with
his
team
to
make
representation
to
the
ALC.
If
there
are
any
questions
regarding
the
this
review
process,
staff
will
be
available
to
answer
those
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
Do
yes,
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
my
controls.
Name
is
Bradley
shuck
heart
with
freehold
communities,
11
870,
Pierce,
Street,
Riverside,
California
I
represent
freehold
communities.
The
development
entity
that
represents
ownership
of
Marilyn
and
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
committee's
time.
Here
we
talked
about
this
project
in
fairly
great
detail
about
a
month
ago,
and
I
I
did
want
to
focus
back
in
on
the
slide
that
Edward
showed
earlier.
So
I'm
gonna
jump
directly
to
that
and
talk
about
this.
G
B
I
D
G
Now,
as
Edwards
suggested,
we
are
constrained
by
the
fact
that
this
is
a
legal
lot,
so
there
isn't
a
ton
of
wiggle
room
in
here,
but
at
locations
where
we
had
we
could
encroach
further
east
or
west,
depending
on
which
side
of
the
project
we
were
on.
We
did
move
units,
so
these
side
yard
setbacks
as
they
were
increase
from
anywhere
between
the
increase.
They
went
from
10
feet
to
anywhere
between
15
and
21
feet.
Anyone
okay,
thank
you.
G
So
at
these
locations,
primarily
on
the
upper
left-hand
side,
upper
right-hand
side,
which
is
north
west,
north
east
and
then
again
in
the
southwest
and
southeast
and
the
very
south,
we've
moved
the
buildings
around
a
little
bit
set
them
off
so
that
there's
a
there
isn't
a
vertical
plane
of
buildings
along
that
edge.
We
have
also
looked
at
the
Paseo
itself.
G
There
was
feedback
that
we
had
to
many
of
the
same
units
on
one
side
and
also
to
many
of
the
single-story
units
on
the
other,
so
we've
flipped
certain
plans
around
so
that
there's
variability
on
both
sides.
There
there
are
single-story
and
two-story
units
on
both
the
east
and
the
west
sides.
Similarly,
if
you
recall
on
the
image
we
can
no
longer
see,
there
was
a
single
line,
a
row
of
palms
along
the
entire
West
Side
and
shade
trees
along
the
east
side.
G
We
have
since
Reid,
looked
at
the
paseo
and
we
flipped
the
landscape
scheme
so
that
it
breaks
up
that
monotony.
If
you
will
to
the
the
walkway
itself,
has
been
changed.
We
did
look
at
ways
that
we
could
create
some
bins.
If
you
will
in
the
Greenbelt,
but
quite
frankly,
the
site
is
too
tight
and
the
inefficiencies
were
impactful,
but
in
order
to
increase
some
of
the
usefulness
of
the
open
space,
we
did
move
to
previously
two-story
units.
G
Sorry
two-story,
in
a
one-story
at
this
location
here
that
abuts
the
the
park
at
the
south
of
the
Greenbelt
terminus
and
those
units
have
been
shifted
down
to
where
it
shows
number
5.
Here.
Those
are
now
two-story
paired
units
that
what
it
does
is
really
creates
a
more
functional
open
space,
and
in
that
open
space
we
have
added
another
shade
structure
with
a
seating
elements:
we've
added
down
lights
to
each
of
the
shade
structures,
because
one
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
earlier
too
was
that
we
needed
some
more
site
lighting.
G
We
are
cognizant
of
the
dark
sky
ordinance.
So
we
are,
you
know,
we're
not
we're,
not
gonna
up
light
we're
not
going
to
over
light,
but
we
did
hear
the
committee
and
we've
included
that
likewise,
we've
created
light
a
lighting
program
for
the
houses
themselves,
really
it's
just
a
front
door
light
and
some
down
lights
in
the
in
the
at
the
garages
for
safety
reasons
again,
taking
into
consideration
the
city's
dark
sky
ordinance
as
Edward
suggested.
We
understand
the
issue
present
that
that
private
trash
receptacles
can
create.
G
B
G
B
E
Think
you've
made
some
nice
improvements,
I
think
it's
still
awfully
dense.
I
know
the
City
Council
has
allowed
you
to
build
to
our
three
development
standards,
but
you
seem
to
be
putting
our
one
product
in
by
having
the
one
story
and
the
smaller
units
where,
if
those
units
were
stacked,
there
would
be
a
lot
more
open
space.
Has
there
been
any
consideration
to
the
mix
of
the
units
so
that
there
could
be
more
open
space?
Yes,.
G
To
be
clear,
the
are
three
standards
require
45%
open
space,
and
this
is
compliant
with
that
requirement,
in
fact,
I
think,
there's
46
or
47
percent
open
space
and
that's
a
combination
of
common
open
space
and
private
open
space.
The
other
thing
that
I
didn't
mention
because
I
think
it's
a
note.
That's
off
the
page
is
this
committee.
We
talked
about
pools
last
time
and
we
did
a
study
on
which
lots
and
again
these
are
as
a
condo
map.
G
G
So
I
didn't
answer
your
question
directly.
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
we
could?
Certainly
we
could
have
considered
a
more
dense
project
if
you
will
stacked
flats
or
something
I'm
to
like,
but
quite
frankly,
we
wanted
to
hit
as
broad
a
spectrum
of
prospective
buyers,
as
we
could
here.
Our
units
range
in
size
from
1,150
square
feet,
ooh
1,850
square
feet,
which
seems
to
hit
a
nice
sweet
spot
in
the
market.
It
offers
an
affordable,
relatively
affordable
product,
but
also
offers
the
benefits
of
living
like
a
single-family
home.
G
The
olive
trees
in
the
grove
you're
welcome
to
drive
out
there
now,
if
you'd
like
to
they're,
not
very
big.
Frankly,
there
are
too
many
of
them
too.
We
are
planting
mature,
olives
at
the
injury's
and
along
our
main
entry
sequence.
So
the
the
idea
is
to
give
the
impression
of
old
growth,
but
the
area
that
we're
covering
is
too
vast,
so
we're
planning
in
the
saplings.
F
E
B
G
Think
it
was
an
aesthetic
I
think.
What
we
would
advocate
is
keeping
the
turf
at
the
southern
terminus
at
a
minimum,
because
it
acts
as
a
an
informal
dog
park.
I
would
imagine
a
certainly
leash
dog
park,
but
I
can
I
can
see
residents
wanting
to
use
that
space
for
that
sort
of
thing,
as
as
far
as
the
green
space
in
the
what
we
offer
to
as
the
Greenbelt
well
I
think
we
would
consider
a
less
water,
intense
used
to
the
extent
that
there's
significant
turf
in
there
I.
B
How
could
you
state
your
name
and
address
I'm
Nikki,
who
we
see
the
landscape
architect
for
Maryland
project,
okay,
but
I?
Think
more
importantly,
the
question
is:
if
because
Tom
knows
the
area
well,
tom
knows
the
Coachella
Valley
very
well.
So
if
you
drive
in
that
area
bradley's,
you
know
what
there's
like
stack
of
sand
and
then
the
grass
is
right
above
it
almost
looks
like
a
cake.
You
know
where
the
grass
is
growing
so
in
here
tom
is
suggesting
that
would
you
be
open
to
consider
other
materials
that
create
that
kind
of
green
carpet?
B
Look
instead
of
the
you
know
grass,
because
there's
going
to
be
sand
moving.
Also
because
you
have
the
tree
groves,
you
know
Jay
into
it,
I
mean
we
could
switch
to
some
kind
of
low
gaan
cover,
but
I
I
doubt
that
I
will
address
the
wing
these
and
the
condition,
because,
if
even
if
we
use
low
ground
cover
type,
it's
probably
going
to
be
covered
by
the
scent
as
well.
So
unless
that
we
totally
switch
out
to
other
type
of
desert,
escape
planting
I
think.
E
B
D
B
D
I
concur
with
a
previous
conversation
in
the
turf
when
we
last
time
I
mentioned,
you
know,
maybe
some
other
spaces,
and
things
in
amongst
mention.
You
address
that
in
your
presentation,
I
was
hoping
there
might
be
a
reduction
in
grass
in
that
area,
but
as
you
addressed
it
and
have
presented
it,
I
see
not
much
so
yeah
I
water
and
maintenance
in
the
future
is
concerned.
G
The
the
only
change
to
mix
was
the
adjustment
at
where
it
says,
numbers
five
and
six.
We
where
I
misspoke
earlier
was
actually
because
we
had
flipped
the
units
around
those
were
plotted
in
an
earlier
version
as
two-story
units,
so
we
basically
swapped
to
one-story
units
four
to
two
torian's.
Otherwise
the
mix
was
always
as
you're,
seeing
there.
G
No,
no,
no,
sorry
that
that's
an
incorrect
statement,
I
think
I
misunderstood
you.
Now
as
it
stands
now
the
it
used
to
be
the
case
that,
along
the
western
edge
of
the
Greenbelt,
it
was
all
single-story
units
and
along
the
eastern
edge,
was
all
two-story
units.
Now
that
has
been
modified,
such
that
they're,
both
single
and
two-story
units
on
the
east
side,
as
well
as
the
West.
So
whenever
you
see
two
units
paired,
those
units
are
single-story
and
the
stand
alone.
Structures
are
two-story,
so.
G
I
G
I
You
do
maybe
you
can
cover
this
way.
At
the
same
time,
we
was
I'm
not
seeing
any
comments
here
from
the
last
presentation
related
to
materials,
but
I
felt
like
that.
We
had
brought
something
up
about
maybe
adding
some
materials
or
some
richer
materials
to
these
products.
So
just
maybe
he
can
cover
that.
At
the
same
time,.
L
L
I
I
L
I
L
L
I
L
B
B
L
B
B
L
Think
that
the
the
heavy
is
not
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
it's,
not
an
apartment
like
texture
and
the
stucco
texture,
it's
just
a
little
rougher,
and
it's
again
it
has.
It
has
to
do
with
a
cost
at
the
unit's,
keep
in
mind
I.
These
are.
These
are
multifamily.
These
are
the
the
least
expensive
units
that's
going
to
be
built
at
at
Marilyn
and
we're
trying
to
keep
the
cost
down
as
much
as
possible
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
nest
builder
on
board.
So
these
are
really
a
conceptual
design
elevations.
B
I
I
I
I
L
Appreciate
precision-cut
stone
is
it's
a
it's
the
recently
these
they're,
it's
it's
a
cement
product,
they're
their
cultural
stone,
but
they're
intermittent
they're
designed
to
mimic
the
actual
stone
panels
or
stone
blocks
that
that
one
will
apply
it
just
like
a
stone
veneer
onto
a
any
any
masonry
wall.
So
it's
it's
just
a
different.
It
has
it
as
a
more
contemporary
look
to
it
and
then
a
Mediterranean
theme
elevation.
L
So
Sean
these
precision-cut
stone
would
be
applied
on
to
a
certain
wall
building
building
elevation
so
that
they
could
terminate
a
side
that
they
will
fully
wrap
a
building,
mass
or
terminate
and
an
inside
corner,
and
there
they're
really
meant
to
be
to
feel
like
they
are
just
stone
blocks,
made
all
the
stone
blocks
and
that's
what
this
is
trying
to
to
represent.
It's.
L
L
G
Just
a
one
small
point
in
this
regard
and
I
know
that
there
are
new
members
on
this
board,
but
this
sheet
actually
is
pulled
directly
from
the
approved
design
guidelines
for
the
final
PDD
for
the
larger
maryland
project.
So
the
idea
here
is
we're
trying
to
be
consistent
with
the
approved
design
guidelines
that
will
adjudicate
the
architecture
that
what
you
will
be
seeing
from
our
guest
builders
on
the
single
family
units.
I
So
I
guess
then,
in
my
response
to
to
Flynn
and
and
you
as
I'm
feeling
like
this
is
a
falling
a
little
short
and
I
like
a
little
bit
too
much
stucco
for
me.
I
may
have
been
on
this
committee
when
the
other
project
was
approved,
but
of
a
horrible
memory
and
I.
Don't
remember
much
stuck
or
alternate
materials
were
approved
for
that
project.
So
I'm,
going
by
what
I
see
here
today
and
and
so
I
think
that's
with
the
line
of
questioning
is
going
I'm,
gonna
forfeit.
D
Can
you
picking
up
on
remember
Shaun's,
noticing
that
the
structures
in
the
outer
perimeter
adjacent
to
the
Grove
or
all
two
story-
I
didn't
catch
that
last
time
either?
So
my
question
is:
can
you
talk
for
a
moment
about
what
was
the
thinking
in
making
that
decision,
because
to
me
it
feels
like
it
might
seem
a
little
fish
bowl
like
from
the
in
from
the
inside
of
the
complex
looking
back
out
so
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
you
must
have
thought
that
through
absolutely.
L
I
think
that
if
I
may
go
back
to
an
image
around
the
perimeter,
I
think
that
when
we
say
two-story
units,
this
is
a
shock
taking
from
the
looking
in
from
the
west
edge
from
the
Groves
looking
into
the
development.
Yes,
these
are
all
two-story
units
plotted
along
the
perimeter,
but
because
of
the
the
plant,
the
way
that
the
plants
are
designed
is
parsed.
L
The
second
story-
building
massing,
is
really
over
a
partial
where
the
garage
is
located,
because
the
downstairs
the
master
they're
really
designed
to
be
a
single-story
living
with
a
master
bedroom
and
a
den
office
on
the
first
floor
and
a
very
lightly
loaded,
a
loft
or
in
a
secondary
bedroom.
Suite
on
the
second
floor,
so
that,
yes,
it
is
a
true
story
unit,
but
the
way
it's
designed
it
is
a
partial,
single-story,
partial
two-story.
Okay,.
B
To
the
right,
yeah
mm-hmm
that
area
so
I
want
to
ask
you
the
question
of
where,
where
the
driveway
that
is
being
shared
goes
up
and
down
no
I'm,
sorry,
the
the
other
driver
yeah
that
drive
were
there.
Was
there
difficulty
in
in
angling
that
portion
for
maybe
four
homes
where
that
driveway
angles
out,
instead
of
being
in
being
orthogonal
to
the
remaining
streets?.
L
You
I
think
that,
yes,
we're
trying
we
tried
to
in
to
introduce
shape
to
the
street,
however,
because
of
if
we
do
kink
the
the
street
over
to
the
right
slightly,
we
could
do
so
about
ten
feet
or
so,
but
giving
the
traffic
coming
in,
because
this
is
a
t-intersection
when
needs
to
make
a
left
turn
as
well
as
a
right
turn
that
having
a
kink
there
rather
than
a
90
degree,
opposes
a
lot
a
lot
more
issues
than
what
we
could
we
could
try
to
resolve.
So
we
try
to
do.
L
L
B
You
know
coming
into
this
sort
of
dog
park
that
you
have
created
now
in
the
short
end
and
I
thought
I
understand
that
not
able
to
do
that
on
the
entire
length
of
that
driveway,
but
perhaps
on
the
last
five
homes
you
could
kink.
You
know
both
sides
to
to
create
that,
not
only
on
the
situation
on
the
location
of
the
homes,
but
then
the
curvilinear
shape
of
the
driveway
okay.
B
The
second
thing
is
that,
on
on,
there
are
certain
elevations
here
on
your
exterior
package
that
I
think
the
additional
control
joints
are
not
necessary.
So
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
that
is
because
the
way
I
read
your
architecture
is
a
composition
of
many
sort
of
cubes,
okay,
so
by,
for
example,
by
according
to
the
use,
you
have
associated
a
certain
proportion
and
and
height
and
size
to
it.
So
the
entry
is
the
a
big
and
then
the
master
bedroom
is
yeah
big.
B
E
L
So
there's
a
certain
area
at
how
that
one
could,
when
will
then
need
a
special
joints,
is
required.
These
expansion
joints
are
there
less
than
quarter
of
an
inch
thick
in
many
ways
that
and
they're
gonna
be
painted
the
same
color
as
the
rest
of
the
stucco
wall,
so
they
really
disappear.
Unless
you
really
walk
up
close
to
it,
you
will
see
a
very
thin
quarter
of
an
inch
lying
so
typically
I.
Don't
I
think
that
we're
probably
the
only
architectural
office
that
will
show
this.
These
expansion
joints
on
any
exterior,
stucco
walls.
I
B
What
shawne's
point
is
that,
if
this
is
a
preliminary,
you
know
PD
packet
for
another
developer
to
come
in
and
you
know
set
the
architecture,
we
don't
want
them
to
go
line.
Happy
and
install
these.
You
know:
Frye
regulate,
three-quarter,
inch,
expansion
joints
everywhere
because
of
what
has
been
encouraged
der.
F
B
D
B
L
B
Okay,
so
the
other
question
I
wanted
to
ask:
you
is
where
you
have
this
back
on
the
site
where
you
have
this
cross
cross
walkway,
that's
transfers
rather
than
longitudinal,
and
you
have
special
paving
along
that
is
it
it
is
there
also
a
it's
a
driveway
running
up
and
down.
Does
that
have
a
traffic
calming
device
of
any
kind.
L
L
B
L
Actually,
I
think
that
we
introduced
this
enhanced
paving
in
these
motor
course
here,
because
it's
kind
of
this
it's
this
is
slightly
wider
I
believe
it's
six
to
eight
feet
wider
than
your
typical
street
motor
course
here.
Okay,
so
that
we're
providing
this
becomes
a
more
primary
access
point
to
the
trails
on
the
east
and
the
west
end.
So
we
further
enhanced
it
that
the
motor
course
there
with
a
what
enhanced
pavement
pavements.
Okay.
L
B
B
L
That
was
a
misunderstanding
on
my
on
my
end,
there
are
sidewalks
along
the
insight
in
the
right
side
of
this
loop
Street
here
as
well
as
sidewalks
here,
so
the
antenna
set
for
the
residence
here
to
walk
up
at
the
Paseo
come
across
and
cross
the
street
and
be
able
to
access
that
the
trails
on
either
end
on
the
east
side
and
the
west
side.
Okay,.
B
I
The
two
is
a
magical
number
for
trash
enclosures,
but
that
Tom
had
some
issues
and
saw
a
need
for
in
some
experience
in
a
development
like
this.
Where
there's
without
a
proper
thrashing
closure
area,
the
residents
will
actually
use
trash
collection.
It
is
a
problem
that
we
identified
for
various
reasons
at
the
last
meeting.
I
Adding
to
trash
enclosures
to
this
complex
doesn't
really
address
that
to
me.
Beep,
that's
one
example
consider
symmetrical
designs
and
elevations
of
one-story
units.
It's
just
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
even
give
that
a
grade
based
on
this
placement
of
one-story
and
two-story
buildings
should
be
staggered
in
some
ways.
I
think
this
is
a
beautiful
project
and
then
I
like
a
look
at
that
item
there
and
I
think
well.
I
don't
get
to
see
the
beauty
of
it.
I
get
to
drive
up
to
my
stucco
unit
and
see
that
and
I.
I
D
I
F
Is
natural
to
argue
with
a
member
I,
just
yeah
I
think
what
we
did
I
and
I
stated.
Those
in
my
presentation
today
see
that,
based
on
the
comments
provided
at
the
last
meeting
and
based
on
our
meeting
with
the
applicant
and
again
and
again,
I
have
a
copy
of
the
code
with
me.
Is
a
preliminary
plan
development
district.
So
there
are
some
details
that
you
will
not
find
in
the
preliminary
plan
development
application
such
as
this
one,
even
though
they
went
to
the
extent
of
giving
you
elevations
and
sections
of
those
plans.
F
Those
are
normally
required
when
the
final
plan
development
districts
provided,
and
at
that
time
there
will
be
a
table
of
comparisons
of
both
the
original
approver.
From
the
time
that
the
mir
alone
project
was
approved
by
the
council,
and
you
will
see
those
adopted
development
standards
and
designs
and
then
there
could
be
comparisons
to
what
has
been
presented
to
you.
I
define
our
development
stage,
so
that's
all
I
can
say:
okay.
I
Hearing
that
also
from
both
the
applicant
and
staff
I
think
I
still
have
a
reservation.
I
feel
like
it's
a
little
bit
of
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
here
that
we're
going
to
get
to
a
place
some
other
day,
also
where
there's
a
final
application
and
met
much
more
detailed
drawings
and
somebody
I'm,
gonna
question
them
and
say:
why
is
it
just
stucco
and
not
you
know
a
more
varied
mix
of
materials
and
a
bit
more
interesting
and
someone's
gonna
go
well
that
time
at
AAC
you
approved
that
it's.
I
B
K
In
some
ways,
I
agree
with
Sean
I
think
there
are
some
there's
some
definite
improvements
from
the
time
it
was
submitted
before
I
wasn't
here
for
that
so
I'm
kind
of
coming
due
to
the
project
I,
do
like
some
of
the
staggering
that
happened
with
the
units
but
to
Maria's
point
earlier.
I
think
if
there's
a
way
to
curve
or
create
a
little
more
interest
in
the
loop
road,
it
would
help
tremendously
the
experience
of
driving
down
this
and
just
seeing
row
after
row
after
row
of
houses.
K
Houses
is
not
great
and
in
terms
of
the
materials
that
Sean's
raising
I
also
would
agree
that
it
would
be
nice
to
see
a
little
more
variety,
a
little
less
busyness
and
I'm,
not
a
hundred
percent
clear
on
how
on
halt
on
how
all
of
the
color
schemes
and
and
the
colors
work
together,
and
maybe
that's
something
for
a
future
date.
But
the
colors
are
here,
but
it's
not
really
clear
how
they're
applied
throughout
the
project.
D
B
Could
I
could
I
make
a
a
an
announcement
here
here?
Is
zoning
rules
and
there's
a
application
and
there's
the
applicant
that
have
been
bringing
along
this
project
with
to
us?
Okay,
our
job
is
to
be
able
to
make
findings
in
which
it
will
help
the
applicant
to
improve
the
project
or
not
improve
the
pro
he
can
do
whatever
he
wants,
with
the
comments
that
we
made,
but
we
need
to
be
more
specific
and
we
need
to
be
more
directive
and
we
need
to
do
it
within
the
findings
that
are
found
in
the
zoning
code.
B
So
we've
been
going
some
of
us
more
than
once
on
this
project
and
unless
we're
specific
we're
going
to
find
ourselves
back
on
trying
to
improve
this
project
without
those
specific
directions.
So,
if
I
can
encourage
all
of
us,
including
myself,
to
be
more
specific
and
to
understand
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
within
the
zoning
and
rules
that
we
are
bound
to
judge
this
project
he's
out.
Okay,
sorry
John
go
ahead,
I.
D
Wanted
to
say
that
we
did
point
out
last
time.
The
proposed
hardscape
materials
should
be
mixed
with
pavers
and
exposed
aggregates.
You
did
that
I
appreciate
that
you
have
taken
those
steps
in
moving
forward
on
pieces
of
this.
I
also
understand
that
if
the
plot
plan
is
set
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and.
B
J
First
I
want
to
compliment
the
applicant
and
the
design
team
on
this
beautiful
package
that
you've
submitted.
You
know
it's
very
complete
and
concise
and
the
graphics
it's
very
well
done.
So.
Thank
you
for
that.
In
terms
of
my
comments,
one
would
be
for
sometimes
we've
introduced
traffic
calming
devices
along
these
roadways.
I
I
see
that
the
road
is
a
32
foot
width.
If
there's
any
leeway
in
that,
I
would
recommend
one
option
of
carrying
the
pavers
across
the
street.
J
Maybe
in
three
or
four
there
looks
like
there's
some
really
good
opportunity
areas
rather
than
just
that
the
driveway
approaches,
but
to
carry
them
actually
all
the
way
across
the
street
as
one
option.
The
second
option.
If
there's
the
width
available
within
the
street,
to
create
some
type
of
elongated
median
island,
they
could
have
some
planting
and
it
even
it's
only
four
feet
wide
I
think
it
would
help
break
up
the
linearity
of
the
street
and
I
noticed,
there's
some
traffic
calming
around
the
curves
or
radiuses
down
at
the
park
area.
J
E
Maybe
50%
of
the
units
should
be
turned
90
degrees,
so
at
least
they
aren't
all
in
the
exact
same
Soldier
sort
of
March
along
the
road
and
I
totally
concur
with
mr.
doe
sees
landscape
comments.
I
think,
especially.
The
comment
of
grass
going
in
now
is
probably
going
to
be
taken
out
in
a
year.
So
why
not
putting
now?
What's
going
to
replace
it
in
the
future?.
D
D
Several
of
those
I
know
we're
simply
because
we
said
this
would
be
a
good
idea
and
there
a
lot
of
those
are
here.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I,
like
the
idea
I'll
echo
the
sentiment
of
the
pavers
crossing
the
street
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
traffic
bumps,
but
I
think
something
like
that
will
will
illustrate
for
people
driving
down
the
road
that
this
is.
Maybe
something
else
is
happening
here.
You
need
to
slow
down
a
little
bit
and
it'll
be
a
little
more
architectural
than
a
traffic
bump.
D
I
had
to
pick
up
on
the
idea
of
rotating
the
houses,
I've
been
looking
and
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
figure
out
a
suggestion.
That
would
be
one
that
you
could
execute,
given
the
constraints
that
you
have
here
on
how
to
break
up
the
linearity
the
the
row.
The
row
effect
that's
happening
here
and
I
had
suggested
last
time.
D
I
don't
know,
maybe
you
you
end
up
having
to
lose
too
many
units
when
you
do
that,
and
it's
just
not
practical
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
I'm
also
trying
to
find
ways
to
to
break
up
this
is
the
grid
overall
I
think
it's
got.
There's
a
lot
of
potential
here
and
I
can
understand
the
constraints
and
I'm
trying
to
offer
suggestions
that.
B
Uniqueness
that
this
project
is
trying
to
have
a
goal
for
the
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
is
that
you
have
150
units
and
how
do
you
make
each
of
those
units
special?
So
how
do
you
distribute
those
units
so
that
they
have
a
uniqueness
and
the
issue
is
that
they
don't
have
a
uniqueness,
because
the
site
has
a
very
repetitive
quality
of
it.
So
that's
what
we're
I
think
all
struggling
with
and
I
know
what
I
said:
let's
be
exact
and
I'm
not
really
being
exact.
B
We
are
we
made
observations
such
as
the
bigger
crossing
of
pavers,
in
order
to
create
a
calming
device
see
if
the
road
can
be
angle
in
such
way,
so
at
least
part
of
it
to
be
more
interesting,
see
of
what
we
call
the
landscape
chokers
could
be
introduced
more
in
the
intersection,
so
there's
more
variation
on
that
Street
I.
Think
those
suggestions,
along
with
the
landscape,
are
going
to
improve
the
site.
B
Architectural
II
I
think
it's
an
issue
because
it's
really
hard
to
be
able
to
see
how
the
next
builder
or
how
the
next
architect
is
going
to
use
these
plans,
and
so
when
those
plans
are
brought
back.
If
we
don't
make
important
comments
at
this
point,
the
same
designs
are
going
to
be
brought
back
so
for,
for
my
take
would
be
on
the
architecture.
If
we
can
make
sure
that
every
design
has
two
different
materials.
Every
design
has
deeper
windows
every
design
or
over
fenestration,
which
is
a
door
has
an
eyebrow.
B
C
The
comments
that
your
chair
has
made
are
very
appropriate
that
a
preliminary
is
supposed
to
be
schematic.
It's
supposed
to
be
initial
you're,
looking
at
the
configuration
of
the
site
plan,
you're
looking
at
the
general
layout
of
the
architecture
and
the
units
that
really
the
refinement
comes
at
the
final
planned
development
district
stage
when
you're
reviewing
that
application
member
lockira,
you
brought
it
a
good
point
that
if
we
don't
comment
on
it
now,
then
we're
going
to
be
stuck
with
it
at
the
final
PD.
C
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
to
you
that,
while
it's
important
that
we
are
setting
up
the
site
plan
and
the
arrangement
of
the
units
at
the
preliminary
stage,
the
details
we
can
get
into
at
the
final
PD
stage.
But
it's
helpful
to
give
the
applicant
conditions
as
to
what
those
details
should
be.
C
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that,
in
our
recommendations,
we
do
need
to
remember
that
on
the
exterior
materials
and
details,
they
need
to
be
consistent
with
the
overall
design
standards
that
were
approved
for
the
project,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
will
get
into
at
the
final
PD
stage
as
well.
Thank.
B
B
I
So
can
I
just
throw
something
out
the
I
think
with
that
like
I,
like
that,
I
was
jotting.
That
comment
down
also,
and
so
I
like
that
and
I,
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
add
are
including
the
motion
is
that
there's
certain
percentages
of
what
we're
looking
for
here
and
and
maybe
that's
20%
or
30%-
be
a
one-story
product
on
that
west,
along
that
West
frontage,
where
there's
11
buildings
now
and
I
think
there's
12
along
the
east
side
and
I
would
say
so.
Some
just
clear
on
that.
I
Maybe
we're
saying
a
certain
percentage.
Minimum
needs
to
be
a
one-story
product
for
the
Far
East
and
West
product,
not
enough
very
material
I'm.
Just
thinking
of
things
we
can
add
to
this
motion
here
to
do
two
materials
minimum
one
being
stuck
out
to
being
an
alternate
material
and
there's
a
list
to
choose
from,
but
it
would
include
some
of
what
they
present.
It
now
elaborate
on
that
with
wood,
concrete,
concrete
panels,
stone,
masonry
and
steel,
but.
B
I
I
B
I
C
C
C
Kenny,
you
may
have
been-
maybe
only
you
two.
There
was
some
modifications
to
the
footprint
of
the
floor
plans,
but
they
were
essentially
more
or
less
similar.
So
there
is
some
variation.
We,
as
staff
need
to
make
a
determination.
Is
it
essentially
the
same
as
the
preliminary,
but
there
is
the
ability
to
modify
the
footprints
somewhat
as
long
as
it's
not
a
significant
change
or
an
increase
in
lot
coverage,
etc.
K
Part
of
the
reason
I
ask
is
that
you
know
addressing
the
perimeter
the
outer
ring.
They,
they
have
the
floor
plan
five
consistently
on
both
sides,
and
there
is
a
small
second-story
over
the
garage
on
that
plan
was
so
essentially
it's
a
one-story
with
a
one,
a
small
element,
but
if
some
merchant
builder
comes
in
and
he
wants
to
change
that
and
do
all
two-story
I
mean
technically
the
way
it's
described,
it's
a
two-story
unit.
So
do
we
have.
Is
there?
K
C
Locking
into
something
similar,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
exactly
the
same,
but
it
needs
to
be
more
or
less
the
same.
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
in
your
conditions
would
be
that
on
the
plan
number
five
that
abuts,
the
east
and
west
perimeters
of
the
site,
you
want
to
see
a
limited
second-story
that
you
know
no
more
than
thirty
percent
of
the
first
floor
coverage
or
something
along
those
lines
and.
L
L
So
that's
why
that's
a
very
done
the
variation
now
the
rationale
two
again
to
address
the
only
place,
sick,
partial
second
floors
for
plan
five
is
so
that
they're
from
afar,
you
do
not
see
all
2-story
units
I
completely
agree
with
AAC
that
you
have
this
mandate
on
as
a
condition
for
the
future
development
I
mean
for
the
future
design
of
this
product.
Okay,.
J
If
we
could
go
back
to
the
site
plan,
I
know,
there's
been
some
discussion
about
the
u-shaped
or
horseshoe
road.
My
question
is
to
try
to
get
some
movement
in
that
roadway.
Is
it
possible?
You
know
in
some
instances
we
have
three
units,
you
know
together
some
instances.
We
have
two
units
together,
but
for
instance,
if
we
can
zoom
into
the
upper
right-hand
portion
of
the
site
plan.
J
There's
that
I
mean
if
you
took
a
portion
of
those
single
units
along
as
you
enter
the
road
on
the
right-hand
side,
move
those
to
the
right.
You
had
three
units
along
that
side
now
and
then
bring
the
road
in
and
then
the
road
could
curve
back
out.
You
know
and
match
the
existing
site
plan.
So
again,
I
didn't
know
if
that's
been
explored.
You
know
to
get
some
movement
in
that
road,
but
you
know
where
the
there's
three
units
there's
all
double
units
on
the
I
guess
it
would
be.
J
The
east
side
make
some
of
those
three
and
then
midway
down
about
where
the
seven
is.
You
could
bring
the
road
back
over
loop
it
around
and
the
same
thing
could
occur
on
the
other
side
and
that
might
loosen
that
up
a
little
bit
but
still
work.
You
know
within
the
confines,
so
that
would
just
be
something
I
encourage
them
to
explore.
J
B
Think
all
of
us
here
we've
been
on
that
side
of
the
microphone
and
we
sympathize
and
we
want
this
project
to
move
forward,
but
we
are
not
all
going
to
agree,
but
we
have
been
saying
mainly
about
the
fact
that
the
improvements
are
great,
but
we
need
those
roads
to
not
be
so
straight.
We
need
to
have
more
variation
on
how
the
car
gets
into
the
homes.
I
know
they
are
multifamily,
but
we
still
need
to
create
an
experience
through
the
car.
B
B
C
May
ask
you
to
read
those
back
to
me.
First
I've
got
them
kind
of
spread
out
through
my
notes
in
various
locations.
Let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
roadway
in
terms
of
additional
traffic
calming
and
want
to
see
more
variation
in
terms
of
so
it's
not
so
linear
and
then
also
using
bulb
outs.
If
you
will
for
traffic
calming
and
extending
pavers
across
the
street
as
another,
but.
B
C
B
B
I
I
C
I
C
C
E
E
Comment
on
the
siding
is
I.
Look
at
these
streets
that
go
side
to
side,
I
count,
11
garage
doors
that
are
all
in
a
row.
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
require
them
to
have
no
more
than
4
garage
doors
on
the
same
plane
and
then
the
next
sets
of
doors
are
set
back
or
forth
another
four
or
five
feet.
So
we
don't
just
have
a
continuous
straight
Assad
all
the
way
down
those
side
streets.
K
Also
have
an
issue
that,
along
the
perimeter,
you
have
the
exact
same
unit
and
when
you
see
this
from
afar
or
from
neighboring
developments,
you're
just
gonna
see
the
consistent,
consistent
unit.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
12
or
15
or
whatever
they
are
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
more
variety
and
mix
in
the
perimeter
units.
K
Would
I
would
mix
it
up
or
unit
wise,
because,
even
if
you,
even
if
you
change
the
color
or
whatever
you're
still
gonna,
see
a
one-story
mass
with
the
two-story
loft
behind
and
you're
gonna
see
a
row
of
I,
don't
know
if
there's
twelve
or
whatever
it
is
consistently
along
that
I
think
it
would
make
a
better
product
for
the
neighbors,
the
Neighborhood
Development,
to
see
something
that
has
a
little
bit
more
variety
than
something.
That's
completely
consistent
all
the
way
along
the
perimeter.
K
K
K
B
B
C
B
E
C
Think
we've
the
majority
of
a
member
lock
year.
You
had
mentioned
something
about
the
trash.
We
have.
The
two
enclosures
now
keep
in
mind
that
each
of
the
garages
has
a
separate
recess
in
the
garage
for
two
containers.
So
there
is
the
ability
to
store
their
individual
containers
in
the
garage.
Was
there
something
else
about
the
trash
that
you
all
wanted
to
see?
I'm
going.
I
I
B
But
the
counterpoint
is
that
is
at
the
beginning
of
the
block
right.
So
when
the
trash
can,
when
the
trash
services
come
to
pick
it
up,
they're,
not
driving
all
the
way
in
you
know,
for
those
two
locations
and
I
think
the
idea
was
that,
if
you're,
not
here
full
time
and
you're
out
of
the
season,
you
would
use
those
trash
enclosures
as
your
place
and
I
I
would
tell
you.
I
live
in
a
development
where
I
do
have
to
walk
that
much
to
go
to
a
trashing
clothes
really.
I
I
B
I
E
Remember,
Tom,
yeah,
I
think
the
concept
is
a
big
improvement
that
there
is
a
spot
for
people
to
leave
them
the
way
they're
situated
now.
You'd
have
to
load
it
into
your
car
and
your
way
home
and
drop
it
off
at
the
end,
which
conceptually
might
be
the
way
people
work.
I
fear
that
scattering
them
throughout
the
entire
project,
most
trash
enclosures,
aren't
real,
attractive,
thin,
concrete
blocks
square,
so
I
kind
of
question
that
one
on
the
upper
left
side
that
it's
right
on
the
main
road
I,
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
that.
E
We
need
to
make
sure
architectural
II.
It's
not
just
a
trash
enclosure
right
there
and
also,
possibly
where
the
trash
enclosures
are
as
cars
approach
that
there's
a
pullout
where
at
least
one
car
could
stop
and
not
be
in
the
road
and
have
a
place
to
take
the
trash
out
of
their
car,
throw
it
in
the
dumpster
and
then
move
on,
but
the
one
on
the
right.
It
looks
like
it's
really
just
replacing
somebody's
garage
door,
I.
E
D
B
E
B
C
H
H
H
The
application
includes
a
setback
reduction
request
for
the
house
to
be
situated
at
16
feet
from
the
front
street
staff
is
requesting
that
the
at
the
front
driveway
be
at
least
a
minimum
of
18
feet
long
to
accommodate
a
parked
car
right
now,
a
car
could
not
be
parked
in
the
Sun
and
the
driveway
would
be
hanging
out
into
the
street.
So
this
would
change
the
administrative
matter,
modification
from
nine
feet,
reduction
to
a
seven
foot,
front
yard
setback
reduction.
H
So
let
me
go
through
some
of
these
slides.
This
is
another
rendering
of
the
front
of
the
house.
You'll
see.
The
Golan
scape
plan
includes
some
angular
circular
designs
as
boulders
barrel
cactus,
and
there
are
palm
trees
that
are
shown
also.
The
inert
material
includes
a
series
of
gray
rocks
boulders
and
some
white
gravel
also,
so
this
development
has
three
other
houses
that
are
currently
existing
on
the
site:
they're
farther
up
the
hillside.
They
were
built
back
in
the
mid-2000s
and
they
are
the
colors
of
those
houses
are
Browns
and
tans.
H
H
H
H
There
are
CC
NRS
that
I
have
not
seen,
and
the
city
does
not
enforce
CC
in
ours,
but
there
are
some
regulations.
I
understand
some
guidelines
on
on
building
colors.
As
you
know,
the
Planning
Commission
has
approved
houses
that
are
white
on
the
hillside.
Staffs
recommendation
is
to
hear
your
comments
and
hear
the
neighbors
comments
and
see
where
we
are
with
the
proposed
color
of
the
house.
H
Staff
is
aware
of
other
properties
that
are
coming
in.
We
have
another
application
for
another
hillside
house
on
in
pinnacle
point
and
there
are
other
ones
that
are
in
the
works.
So
we
want
to
be
consistent
with
this.
Is
the
first
house
that
you'll
see
in
this
development
and
you'll
see
more
to
comes.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
were
consistent
from
here
on
forward
with
setback
requirements
and
colors.
H
K
H
Well,
the
zoning
code
doesn't
specify
colors
okay,
it
has
general
it's
consistent
or
harmonious
with
the
relationship
of
the
of
the
development,
and
that's
where
you
could
say
that
a
white
house
is
not
consistent
with
other
development,
other
houses
that
are
in
the
development
and
we
do
discourage
white
roofs
on
the
hillside.
Thank.
K
B
E
Question
for
staff
in
a
HOA
like
this,
where
there
is
a
requirement
that
their
design
board
approve
the
project.
Do
we
have
to
wait
to
that
design?
Board
has
approved
the
project
before
we
approve
the
project
it
seems
like
if
we
approve
something
and
then
their
design
board
is
going
to
turn
it
down
anyway
or
is
the
applicant
then
gonna
use
that
as
a
hammer
on
their
design
board
saying
they
see
approved
it?
It's
kind
of
a
sticky,
wicket
I
know
when
I
do
projects
down
valley.
H
The
Palm
Springs
a
little
bit
different.
We
don't
have
a
requirement
that
you
meet
the
HOA
standards.
The
the
project
is
here
before
you
for
review.
You'll
make
a
recommendation
to
the
Planning
Commission.
You
have
a
letter
from
the
HOA
saying
that
it's
not
consistent,
but
we
don't
enforce
their
CC
in
ours.
So
it's
what
comes
first,
our
review
or
their
review.
D
H
M
B
D
Oh
I'm,
sorry
speaking
as
as
so
not
part
of
AAC
I'm,
also
the
alternate
rep
for
the
Andreas
Hills
neighborhood
association,
the
site
that
we're
talking
about
these
are
quarter
acre,
lots
generally.
South
Palm
Springs
has
third
to
half
acre
lots.
So,
as
this
project
fills
in
it's
very
tight,
the
mass
on
smaller
Lots
will
be
of
a
much
denser
placement.
People
often
look
at
these
existing
houses
and
think
that
there
are
two
large
houses
up
there.
There
are
three
because
they
are
so
tight.
D
D
That
the
city
can
take
on
that.
These
can
be
seen
from
probably
about
270
degrees
of
the
neighborhood,
with
the
way
that
the
road
and
land
is
cited.
We
look
up
to
them,
so
white
will
definitely
stand
out.
There
was
an
understanding
with
the
HOA
that
this
development
would
not
have
things
like
ficus
trees
and
white
houses
to
keep
a
more
cohesive
look
with
the
landscape.
D
My
other
concerns
would
be
that
from
the
drawings
we
can't
see
where
any
lights
are
on
these
houses.
As
you
look
up
the
hillside,
it's
nice
having
the
darkness,
there
are
some
minor
lights
on
existing
houses,
we'd
like
to
know
make
sure
that
that
the
existing
code
is
followed
with
fully
shielded
lighting
path,
lights,
shielded
caps
on
them,
no
up
lighting,
so
that
somebody
does
put
in
a
tree.
You
suddenly
get
this
big
glowing
bush
up
on
the
hillside,
so
the
concerns
are
aesthetic
in
terms
of
prominence
of
placement
versus
what
has
been
sure
struck.
E
E
And
as
I
look
at
the
site,
section
side-to-side
slope
section
on
sheet
a5,
it
shows
property
line
walls,
but
it
doesn't
show
that
anything
is
a
retaining
wall.
But,
as
I
look
at
the
grading
plan,
it
seems
like
those
might
be
retaining
walls.
Also.
It
appears
in
this
section
you're
showing
me
that
the
site
is
flat
but
I
believe
there's
about
a
seven
foot
slope
across
the
site.
M
E
M
E
M
B
The
on
a
highlight
on
what
a
member
tom
was
saying
is
that
the
pool
fencing
effects
the
aesthetics
of
the
home,
so
that
wouldn't
need
to
be
included
as
part
of
the
design,
and
we
have
experienced
a
number
of
projects
in
which
the
pool
fencing
will
be
coming
back
because
it's
part
of
the
building
requirement
or
health
requirements.
I.
D
Can
offer
yeah
I'm
thing?
If
you
don't
mind,
I
have
been
to
at
least
one,
if
not
two
of
the
properties
that
are
further
three
of
the
one
of
the
three
that's
further
up
the
hill.
Sorry
and
they
do
not
have
any
fencing
around
the
back
side
of
the
pool,
only
fencing
and
it
may
be
a
hillside
something,
but
only
fencing
to
keep
it
private
or
secure
from
the
street
and
from
the
neighbors
to
the
sides.
But
it's
a
big
drop-off
behind
one
of
those
properties
and
they
don't
have
any
fencing.
H
There
you
know
the
building
codes
have
changed
since
those
first,
three
houses
were
constructed
and
you
know
there
there
are
some
I,
don't
wanna,
say
waivers,
but
because
of
a
drop
off,
because
this
is
going
to
be
right
to
the
edge
and
it
drops
off.
So
the
building
department
would
be
through
the
plan.
Check.
Approval
process
would
review
that
and
obviously,
if
the
committee
wants
to
see
a
pool
design,
we
can
explore
that
and
come
back
as
a
condition.
K
M
M
M
Is
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
out
of
the
loop
on
what's
been
going
on.
We
submitted
this
package
in
good
faith
quite
a
while
ago,
and
myself
and
Scott
we've
met
with
the
homeowners
directly.
The
three
homeowners
there
and
one
of
the
homeowners
wasn't
able
to
attend
the
meeting,
and
the
first
thing
they
said
is
the
white
color
was
problematic
and
I
did
tell
them
that
I'd
go
back
in
and
revisit
the
colors
based
on
their
input.
M
You
know
how
this
really
works
and
what
colors
mean
what
so
we're
headed
in
a
positive
direction.
I
think
at
this
point.
So
ultimately
our
intent
is
to
do
what's
right.
For
the
community
and,
of
course
also
the
flip
side
of
the
coin
is
we're
trying
to
accommodate
these
are
custom
homes,
we're
trying
to
accommodate
buyers,
requests
so
a
custom
homes
they
shouldn't
be
all
similar
to
one
another.
K
M
Original
color
was
white
that
color
that's
on,
there's
not
it's
an
off-white.
So
originally,
when
we
met
with
the
homeowners,
they
were
concerned
about
the
houses
being
white
and
that's
when
I
made
a
decision
to
move
forward
from
the
off-white
sand.
That's
what
was
ultimately
submitted
for
you
and
that's
I
believe
what
you're
seeing
here
and
then
since
May
23rd
when
HOA
finally
contacted
me
on
this,
we've
had
a
dialogue
on
possibly
going
into
colors
that
are
more
tan
and
that's
where
we're
at
now.
M
M
Yes,
we
did
submit
a
landscape
plan
and
the
home
this
home
has
been
submitted.
The
only
issues
that
the
HOA
has,
of
course,
is
the
the
white
color
that
was
proposed
there
and
we're
dealing
with
other
colors,
as
I
mentioned
and
they're
also
concerned
about
the
roof,
colors
being
light,
I'm,
not
sure
how
far
we
can
really
go
on
the
roof
colors
because
of
the
title,
24
requirements
for
cool
roofs,
it's
kind
of
a
well
that's.
I
M
I
M
I
I
So
in
the
in
their
landscape
requirements,
it
just
appears
a
little
this.
The
frontage
of
this
house
and
the
landscape
appears
to
be
just
a
little
bit
out
of
character
with
the
other
landscapes
in
the
community
or
my
misjudging
that
it
seems
like
they're
a
little
more
natural,
and
this
is
pretty
rigid
and
geometric.
M
B
B
M
B
So
I'm
I'm
intrigued
by
these
two
shed
plains
that
are
intersecting
with
each
other
and
they're,
creating
quite
a
bit
of
the
slope
and
then
what
happens
is
is
such
a
short
span.
And
then
you
see
this
parapet
in
the
back
right
away.
There's
not
something
like
a
at
a
larger
span
of
that
roof
going
further
deep,
so
that
the
parapet
in
the
back
is
not
even
seen.
I.
M
B
B
B
M
For
the
volume
and
the
ceiling,
and
then
after
talking
with
the
engineers
for
the
insulation
and
the
title
24
requirements,
that's
why
that
parapets
that
height
by
the
time
you
load
that
area
up
with
the
insulation
and
so
forth,
then
you
have
a
certain
ceiling
height
on
the
inside
of
the
home
that
we're
trying
to
maintain
that
volume
and
not
get
too
low
with
the
ceilings,
so
that's
stacked
directly,
above
the
main,
the
main
living
area
of
the
house.
That's
the
highest
point
that
everything
on
the
sides
are
much
lower.
B
Yeah
I
mean,
even
if
you
look
at
this
rendering
here,
do
you
see
how
the
roof
is
very
close
to
the
shed,
but
the
single
slope?
Sorry
and
then
the
white
part
shows
it
being
flat,
instead
of
continuing
with
the
slope
that
you
could
have
had
with
your
roof,
I
think
what
I'm?
What
I'm
asking
the
question
is
about.
M
I,
probably
should
send
you
some
other
perspectives
from
a
different,
that's
up
high
and
from
lot
10
across
the
street,
but
if
you're
in
within
the
community,
the
projections
on
the
on
that
overhang
is
significant.
Plus
it's
cantilevered.
We
can't
really
get
much
further
out
without
having
a
vertical
structural
column
at
some
point
to
do
that
or
we'd
end
up
with
a
real
thick
fascia
for
the
steel
to
support
that
cantilever
area.
M
M
A
hundred
percent
sure
on
that,
but
that
one
is
shallower
so
that
way
you
see
the
large
one
behind
it.
The
projection
on
that
one
might
be
approximately
three
feet,
I
would
say,
maybe
more
and
then
the
one
at
the
high
one
starts
closer
to
the
building.
So
you
can
see
those
two
different
raked
roof
lines
and
then
it
flares
out.
So
it's
also
coming
out
straight
and
then
and
then
and
then
raking
up
almost
has
like
a
fold
in
it.
M
M
B
B
B
M
M
M
B
B
E
I'm
struggling
with
the
pitched
elements
on
the
front
of
the
house.
If
you
look
at
the
floor
plan
in
the
roof
plan,
the
house
is
really
a
series
of
boxes,
and
you
especially
see
that,
with
the
garage
and
I
think
sticking
these
little
pitched
overhangs
on
the
front
seems
a
little,
don't
quite
get
it,
and
if
this,
if
it
were
to
go
through
the
house
as
a
ceiling,
I
think
it
would
be
beautiful,
but
I
think
it
just
is
a
piece
of
detail
that
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
E
E
It
needs
some
inset
for
the
garage
door
or
an
overhang
that
wraps
the
side
of
the
building
just
to
kind
of
soften
elements,
and
I
totally
would
be
opposed
to
the
white
roof,
especially
because
there
are
house
Lots
above
that
are
looking
down
onto
this
and
once
the
roof
is
no
longer
white.
I
think
that
makes
the
walls
want
to
be
no
longer
white
and
my
just
briefly
visiting
through
the
neighborhood.
E
This
front
yard
is
so
much
bigger
than
the
ones
up
the
street
that
are
very
one
of
them
appears
to
have
maybe
just
a
ten-foot
driveway
and
everything
is
hardscape
a
couple
little
planting
pallets.
So
this
will
be
a
distinctive
yard
compared
to
the
others
on
the
block
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
necessarily
good
or
bad,
but
definitely
distinctive
from
the
others.
But
one
of
my
other
real
concerns
is
without
knowing
which
side
walls
are
retaining
walls
and
how
the
pool
fencing
is
going
to
be
built.
E
I
fear
that
if
the
lot
to
the
left
is
five
feet
higher
than
this
pad,
and
then
you
have
to
have
a
five
foot
high
wall.
On
top
of
that,
to
create
your
pool,
fencing,
we're
looking
at
a
10
foot
high
wall
there,
potentially
so
I,
think
we
need
to
see
more
specific
wall,
elevations
and
grading
elevations
for
each
side
of
the
walls
along
the
property
line.
K
I'm,
an
agreement
with
remember
Tom
on
the
pitched
elements
and
the
front,
though
they
seem
a
little
arbitrary
and
they
kind
of
I
think
the
parapet.
Walls
behind
there
there
they're
fighting
each
other
and
I
think
they
will
be
far
more
visible
once
you're
on
that
Street
and
certainly
from
anybody
across
the
street.
I
also
think
of
softer
color
might
work
better,
more
more
harmonious
with
the
desert,
colors
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
the
white
and
the
grays.
K
It
feels
very
cool
to
me
and
it's
in
this
particular
area
I
think
it
probably
makes
more
sense
to
have
more
of
a
desert
desert.
Colors
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
pool
fencing
I
didn't
raise
it
before,
but
I
think
the
garage
is
large
enough
that
they
could
probably
stores
trash
inside
the
garage,
otherwise
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
goes
and
how
you
get
to
it.
Based
on
the
floor
plan
and
I
think
that's
it
hey.
I
I
I
I
Besides,
just
the
the
stucco
in
the
painted
colors
that
we're
seeing
those
were
and
I
think
that
the
landscape,
I'm,
not
sure
seems
like
the
HOA
has
an
issue
with
the
with
the
palm
so
I'm
guessing
that
doesn't
meet
their
requirement
for
landscape
requirement,
so
I
think
that
should
be.
We
should
look
for
an
alternative
species
for
that.
The
rest
of
the
landscape,
I
think
it's.
It's
definitely
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
different
than
the
neighborhood.
D
Know
that
I
could
add
much
I
pretty
much
concur
with
the
comments
made
so
far.
I
think
it's
got
the
potential
to
be
really
great.
If
that
roofline
were
to
be
able
to
carry
through
over
the
living
room,
I
mean
we're
like
basically
looking
through
a
nice
glass
box
there.
My
eye
wants
to
follow
that
roofline
in
the
front
as
the
roof
of
the
living
room.
All
the
way
through
I
would
like
to
see
I
think
I
think
I
need
to
see
what
ultimately,
the
HOA
approves.
A
B
I
think
almost
that
the
other
thing
looking
at
the
site
is
that
it
it
almost
needs
some
sort
of
I,
don't
want
to
say
protection,
but
the
the
front,
the
walkway
going
to
this
clear
doors.
It
makes
that
whole
entry
experience
be
so
exposed
I
think
before
they're
sort
of
like
not
steps,
but
there's
some
planters
or
something
that
creates
more
of
a
front
door
approach
that
right
now
he
seems
so
exposed
and.
B
E
D
B
So,
to
clarify
that
we
would
like
to
instead
of
ask
the
applicant
what
color
goes
where
if
we
can
have
an
exhibit
that
actually
shows
it,
and
if
the
right
renderings
could
reflect
that,
so
that
we
can
actually
see
it
all
in
in
in
view
of
the
drawing.
So
all
those
in
favor
all
right.
You
want
to
post
hey
if
we
can
bring
back.
B
H
You,
chair
I'll,
make
this
brief.
The
application
is
to
for
a
major
architectural
to
construct
a
two-story,
ten
thousand
five
hundred
square
foot
cannabis
cultivation
building
on
a
vacant
parcel
an
industrial
area
north
of
San
Rafael.
The
neighborhood
is
comprises
of
similar
uses
that
there
is
a
cannabis
cultivation
facility
to
the
north
and
there
was
a
warehouse
space
to
the
south
across
the
street.
There
are
other
warehouse,
car
automobile
repair,
shops
and
so
on
so
forth
in
that
neighborhood
to
the
rear
of
this
property.
H
There
it's
a
vacant
lot
and
then
there
are
residences
that
are
farther
beyond
that.
So
the
proposed
building
is
is
has
a
height
to
the
middle
route
or
the
top
roof
plate
of
twenty-seven
feet
five
inches
and
that
an
additional
three
foot
to
parapet
for
a
total
height
of
31
feet.
Ten
inches.
The
zoning
code
allows
projections
above
the
maximum
height
of
30
feet
if
the
Planning
Director
and
the
Planning
Commission
approved
the
two-story
scheme.
H
H
So
the
two-story
building
will
be
constructed
of
stucco
with
a
flat
surface
surface,
with
one-inch
architectural
breaks,
providing
relief
on
the
east
and
south
building
facades.
The
siting
of
the
building
and
I
know
we'll
go
to
the
site
plan
here.
The
building
that
is
to
the
north.
This
building
will
abut
and
be
right
up
against
that
building.
There's
Bay
parking
in
the
front
that
will
pull
off
of
Ann's
Road
and
then
there's
a
parking
lot
that
will
be
to
the
south
and
that
separates
this
property
from
the
warehouse.
H
H
So
the
building,
as
you
see
here,
shows
the
architectural
scoring
on
the
front
side
and
the
rear
side
staff
is
requesting
that
the
because
the
building
is
set
off
from
the
rear
property
line
that
the
scoring
be
continued
round
to
the
back.
There
is
a
fascia
that
is
on
the
top,
which
is
the
parapet,
obviously
the
front
of
the
building,
there's
two
windows
on
the
second
storey
and
then
a
door
and
then
a
little
awning
metal
awning
over
the
doorway
and
then
there's
this
architectural
feature.
H
There
are
Palo
Verde
trees
which
are
needed
to
meet
the
shading
requirement
so
for
the
parking
lot
and
then,
in
staffs
opinion,
there's
a
a
lot
going
on
with
this
landscape
plan.
There's
dry
riverbeds,
there's
mix
of
different
plants
that
we
staff
feels
is
is
a
little
overkill.
We
know
the
area
is
very
windy
and
it's
difficult
to
keep
landscaping
alive
up
in
the
north
end
of
town
and
we're
asking
for
a
simplified,
a
landscape
plan
and
would
like
to
hear
the
recommendations
from
the
AC.
H
So
the
two
conditions
or
comments
that
we
have
of
the
AC
is
that
the
applicant
revised
a
landscape
plan
before
review
before
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
they
add
the
architectural
scoring
to
the
West
building
elevation.
So
in
your
packet
there
are
some
other
pictures
of
the
site.
You'll
see
that
if
you
went
out
to
the
site,
all
there's
lots
of
cars
that
are
parked
on
the
vacant
lot.
H
Obviously
this
is
to
support
the
cultivation
facilities
going
on
next
door
and
the
building
by
providing
a
hard
surface
parking
lot.
That
will
help
with
the
current
situation
of
parking
on
the
dirt
lot.
So
that
concludes
my
report
and
the
applicant
is
here
and
he
can
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
H
A
H
A
A
B
A
D
A
D
D
A
A
D
A
D
A
E
A
E
Another
question:
I
assume
security
is
significant
as
I
drove
through
the
neighborhood.
So
many
of
the
shops
that
have
glass
windows
are
now
covered
with
bars
and
screening
and
things
what
sort
of
security
do
you
need
to
provide
on
the
building
so
that
what
are
we
really
going
to
see?
I
guess
that's
my
question.
A
D
A
H
H
B
B
A
The
parapet
where
the
equipment
works-
it's
once
it's
put
in
right
now
we
just
haven't
shown
as
such
and
I
guess
after
you
want
us
to.
You
know,
confirm
it
down
to
size
just
for
were
there
for
the
area
since,
when
a
mechanical
equipment
sits
there
we'll
adjust
and
according
to
that,
but
as
it
is
now,
it
will
be
like,
as
you
see
there
and
the
net,
that
we
have
to
reduce
it
down
to
a
size
where
all
the
equipment
is,
they
will
pull
it
back
on
that
on
the
road.
The.
B
Issue
is
that
you
have
a
36
foot
high
straight
up
from
the
sidewalk
building,
and
although
it
a
two-story
is
what
is
being
requested
here.
It's
it's
quite
a
bit
of
a
face
that
you're
building
here
so
I'm,
trying
to
see
how
with
a
metal
roof.
If
you
were
to
extend
and
it
and
have
overhang,
it
would
probably
soften
and
reduce
the
height
by
another
three
or
four
feet.
The
second
question
I
have,
is
you
have
this
picture
that
calls
it
architectural
break
exteriors
and.
A
A
B
A
I
guess
that's
be
like
for
a
word
with
the
stucco
comes
across.
You
know
the
rig
lit.
You
know:
expansion
break
rig,
let's
the
stucco,
we're
gonna
put
those
in
wherever
those
locations
are
at,
so
we
gotta
tie
it
like
that
to
give
us
the
square
area,
so
I
won't
be
just
one
pic
mass
area
like
the
one
on
the
top
Oh.
A
A
A
B
A
A
B
A
B
A
A
A
Well,
I
guess
the
main
interest
that
you
see
is
going
in
for
just
people
and
working
in
and
out,
but
the
outside
door
is
that
for
the
bulk
of
things
of
them,
if
they
use
a
18-wheeler
and
they
want
to
bring
stuff
around,
they
will
bring
it
in
through
those
doors
opposed
to
coming.
In
for
the
entry
for
the
bay
door.
B
A
A
B
Okay,
Mitch
mr.
Adler
on
the
exterior
elevation.
Would
you
be
open
to
increase
the
area
where
the
plaster
is
to
bring
it
all
the
way
down
to
the
second
floor
and
then
have
the
siding
material
be
below
that?
What
I'm,
what
I'm
trying
to
ask
you
is
instead
of
separating
the
two
materials
at
the
roofline,
can
you
separate
the
two
materials
at
the
intersection
between
the
first
and
second
floor?
Is.
A
B
A
K
A
A
A
A
I
would
have
to
wait
to
hear
from
the
other.
You
know
the
mechanical
people
and
the
installers
people
for
the
same
stuff
that
they
need
I
would
have
to
adjust
that
the
height
you
know
it's
justify
like
the
height
that
we
have
or
if
they
could
reduce
it,
that's
something
that
they
would
have
the
answer.
B
E
A
H
A
Us
when
Addison
the
the
boulders
and
stole
with
our
landscaper,
we're
coordinating
all
that
together,
cuz
we're
gonna
use.
You
know
Palm
Springs
gold
will
everything
to
blend
out
with
their
their
surrounding.
So
let
the
landscaping
with
the
with
the
bedrock
dry
stream
and
stuff
will
have
that
when
he
finishes
stuff
to
bring
back
for
our
next
meeting.
A
B
E
H
The
building
next
door,
if
you
look
at
the
picture,
that's
the
very
front
you'll
see
that
the
the
there's
a
front
one-story
portion
of
it,
which
is
probably
around
14
15
feet
and
then
there's
a
second-story
section
that
sets
back
I.
Don't
you
can
kind
of
see
it
in
the
very
left
hand
picture?
But
so
the
second
story
element
is
on
a
kind
of
barrel:
roof
I've
actually
been
in
that
building
and
it
does
it's
recessed
from
all
the
edges
of
the
building,
probably
about
eight
feet.
E
It
is
very
bulky,
I
think
the
attempt
with
the
fascia
across
the
top
tends
to
help
to
soften
that
vertical
facade.
I
almost
think
it
would
be
better
to
take
this
whole
building
and
slide
it
to
the
south
so
that
it's
abutting
the
taller
building,
so
that
the
parking
lot
would
be
between
this
shorter
building
to
the
right
and
the
new
taller
building
that
would
be
on
this
property.
E
H
J
It's
hard
to
match
it
up
with
the
legend,
but
it
look
also
looks
like
that.
The
Palo
Verde
trees,
the
I'm,
assuming
are
the
green
circular
symbols
they're
not
shown
the
proper
scale.
If
those
parking
spaces
are
9
or
10
feet
wide,
each
one
of
those
circles
should
be
like
three
times
the
diameter
that
they
are.
J
J
B
J
Know
and
then
I
think
the
final
one
is
that
in
the
elevation
view
in
this
rendering
the
the
arch
over
the
door
looks
yeah
in
an
elevation
view.
It
looks
smaller,
but
in
the
rendering
it
looks
like
it
has
better
proportions,
mm-hmm
so
somehow
to
get
the
two
to
match.
This
looks
better
than
what
it
does
in
the
elevation
elevation
size
match,
rendering.
J
D
D
K
Think
well,
I
think
there's
some
architectural
gestures
that
are
come
off
a
little
clumsy,
the
railings
on
either
side
of
the
walkway.
The
curved
canopy
as
remember
Tom
mentioned,
was
a
little
out
of
proportion.
This
is
better
but
I
think
actually,
if
it
were
lowered
a
little
bit
and
made
more
sense
related
more
to
the
door,
it
would
help
the
shape
of
it
also
seems
kind
of
arbitrary
for
the
building.
K
The
parapet
that
pops
out
beyond
the
base
of
the
building
kind
of
seems
heavy
and
I.
Think
if
you
were
I,
think
if
you
kind
of
did
it
if
you
wanted
to
do
it
as
the
an
archway
around
the
entry,
take
the
two
vertical
elements
and
then
just
the
horizontal
above
that
pop
that
out
and
the
rest
of
it
recessed
back
to
the
flush
with
the
building.
I,
think
that
would
help.
K
Overall
you
know,
and
if
you
don't
need
the
height,
it
would
really
help
a
lot
this
building,
it's
very
tall
and
bulky.
If
you
don't
need
the
height
inside
I,
wouldn't
you
know
you're
gonna
save
money
building
it
you
drop
it
to.
You
know
twelve
foot
floor
to
floor
or
whatever
whatever
you
need
for
the
growing
facilities,
you're
gonna
save
some
money
and
air
conditioning
and
construction
costs,
so
I
think
actually
just
trying
to
bring
the
building
make
it
a
little.
Smaller
will
help
a
lot
mm-hmm.
I
You
love
elaborate
on
the
height
I,
don't
without
having
an
an
elevation
that
shows
the
adjacent
buildings
in
their
height
relationship
with
this
proposed
building
that
we
we
just
need.
Another
exhibit
that
that
shows
that
together
and
yeah
I
think
that
should
have
been
a
requirement
before
we
even
saw
it.
The.
I
I
Landscape
I
think
the
more
I'd
like
to
call
it
shade
trees
for
the
parking
area,
but
I
think
if
we
can
screen
that
building
a
bit
from
the
street
that
that
might
help
I
think
the
palette
is
also
too
extensive.
I
can't
quite
tell
from
the
black
and
white
landscape
legend
what
you're
actually
showing
in
colour
I,
don't
know
what's
Cypress
or
and
or
why
we
even
need
Cypress.
So
it's
it's
a
pretty
unclear
presentation.
Okay,
I!
I
Don't
see
a
North
arrow,
not
sure
why
the
railings
needed
at
all
I
suppose
it's
an
architectural
element
to
reinforce
the
dry
river
rock,
that's
shown
in
the
landscape
plan
like
a
bridge
kind
of
thing,
but
I,
don't
don't
see
why
it's
needed
at
all
because
of
the
height
differential
between
the
adjacent
surface,
the
the
arch
in
the
front
I
just
feel
like
we,
we
need
to
see
another
alternative.
To
that,
it
doesn't
come
just
seems
to
really
compete
with
the
architecture
that's
being
presented
here.
I
I,
don't
know
where
it
comes
from,
or
what
it's
trying
to
say
about
the
building,
but
I
don't
find
that
it.
It
helps
just
looks
like
a
tilt
up
building
anywhere
USA
I.
Do
wonder
with
the
height
think
before
we
just
see
a
presentation
where
there's
an
elevation
showing
the
height
relationship
of
the
adjacent
buildings.
I
were
interested
in
bringing
the
building
lower.
I
So
I
think
that
would
be
nice
to
see
something
that
might
help
maintain
a
substantial
height
on
the
interior,
but
help
reduce
the
impact
of
height
and
how
it's
perceived
by
the
public
is
potentially
doing
something
different
with
the
front
10
or
15
feet
of
that
roof,
where
there
is
a
need
for
a
standing,
seam
roof
and
in
the
front,
and
you
can
maintain
a
parapet
to
hide
a
massive
amount
of
mechanical
equipment
behind
it.
So
just
just
a
suggestion:
I
don't
want
to
design
building
with
you,
but
just
throwing
that
out.
There.
B
D
All
great
suggestions,
thank
you.
Remember.
Robert
literally
stole
my
notes
on
a
couple
of
those,
so
I'll
just
echo
the
couple
of
things
that
I
think
are
particularly
important,
like
member
Tom's
idea
of
moving
the
building
closer
to
the
adjacent
metal
building,
I
think
that
would
help
visually
reduce
the
height,
but
I
really
would
also
like
to
encourage
a
reduction
in
the
in
the
actual
height
of
the
building.
If
it
is
not
needed
to
be
that
high
and
also
the
eyebrow
entrance
shade
structure,
I
think
definitely
I
agree
that
just
doesn't
work.
D
B
You
remember
Tom
Jake
way
with
that,
when
I
look
at
a
one
North,
you
know
being
up
was
along
that
idea
of
actually
moving
the
project
west.
Where
you
see
the
property
line,
to
increase
the
landscape
areas
between
the
parking
and
the
edge
of
the
building.
Did
that
go
along
with
your
thought
of
moving
the
building.
E
B
B
You
know
mask
the
fact
that
it's
so
high,
but
then
also
the
landscape
area,
between
the
parking
and
in
the
building
see
if
we
can
bring
some,
you
know
something
like
willowy
so
that
it
can
also
mask
you,
know
the
and
right
now
there's
about
a
four
foot,
ten
planting
area.
So
that's
where
I
was
going.
B
I
think,
overall,
we
will
try
to
improve
the
characteristics
of
the
building,
so
that
is
not
so
massive
in
having
the
constant
context
of
the
adjacent
buildings
would
really
help.
One
of
the
questions
I
was
asking
myself
is:
if
this
whole
building
was
metal,
seam
siding
would
that
give
that
industrial
clean
look
and
then
they
don't
have
to
be
fighting
with
all
the
reliefs
or
you
know,
because
then
it's
just
an
industrial
building
but
I
think
at
this
time.
I
think
the
project
needs
more
work.
B
E
B
E
I'm
curious
about
the
process
of
an
HOA
needing
to
approve
a
project
and
us
needing
to
approve.
It
seems
like
we
would
be
spinning
our
wheels
if
we
approve
something
and
send
it
back
and
their
HOA
rejects.
It.
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
that
we
would
ask
them
to
bring
an
approval
from
their
HOA,
and
then
we
still
have
the
opportunity
to
make
any
sort
of
comment
we
want,
but
we're
only
reviewing
the
project
once
then,
instead
of
potentially
twice
generally.
C
I
would
agree
with
you
that
that
would
be
the
more
efficient
process
to
have
the
HOA
approval
first,
before
the
AAC
considers
it.
As
mr.
melaka
pointed
out,
we
do
not
enforce
the
regulations
of
an
HOA,
and
occasionally
we
may
have
conflicts
between
our
design
regulations
and
those
of
the
HOA.
But
again
I
would
agree
that,
generally
it's
more
efficient
to
have
the
HOA
review
the
project.
First,
we
will
look
to
do
that
where
we
can
in
the
future.
B
C
It
is
not
we
can
go
ahead
and
talk
about
that
if
you'd
like
to
what
we
will
need
to
do
here
within
the
next
couple
of
meetings
is
to
have
an
election
of
officers.
One
of
the
things
that's
in
question
just
so
that
you
all
are
aware
is
there
is
an
item
on
the
City
Council
agenda
on
Wednesday
to
extend
the
terms
of
those
members
whose
terms
expire
in
June
for
an
additional
six
months,
and
that's
relative
to
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions
that
are
appointed
by
City
Council.
C
The
reason
for
that
is,
we
are
going
through
a
process
of
looking
at
potentially
districting
the
city,
and
one
of
the
things
that
City
Council
would
like
to
see
is
greater
diversity
on
our
boards
and
commissions.
What
is
unique
about
the
item
that
is
being
discussed
at
City
Council
on
Wednesday?
Is?
It
only
affects
those
boards
and
commissions
appointed
directly
by
the
City
Council.
It
would
not
impact
the
AAC.
B
C
Will
come
back
at
the
final
plan,
development
stage
or
depending
on
what
the
Planning
Commission
does
with
it?
Potentially
they
could
send
it
back
to
you
too,
as
well,
but
if
it
does
go
through
and
the
preliminary
plan
development
is
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
ultimately,
it
would
come
back
for
the
final
PD,
which
would
then
come
through
the
AAC
and
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
as
well,
and.
C
Typically,
not
any
site
plan
changes
would
need
to
be
handled
at
the
preliminary
stage
when
we
come
back
with
the
final
plan
development
for
a
project
like
this,
the
site
plan
is
typically
set.
The
only
things
that
would
change
would
be
minor
things
relative
to
the
landscaping
in
terms
of
tree
placement,
for
example
trash
enclosures,
those
might
move
or
you
might
get
additional
detail
on
those,
but
generally
the
site
plan
is
going
to
be
set.
B
C
Not
necessarily
as
someone
who's
actually
planted
an
orchard,
not
olive
trees,
but
something
similar.
It's
not
uncommon.
When
you're
planting
an
orchard
that
you
start
out
with
a
very
small
stalk.
What
you
will
find
is
that
typically,
they
tend
to
grow
relatively
quickly
a
little
bit
more
quickly
than
you
might
assume.
It's
estimated
I
believe
by
our
Maryland
team
that
they
expect
the
trees
to
be
of
a
substantial
height
within
about
seven
to
eight
years.