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From YouTube: Measure J Commission | Nov 17th 2021
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City of Palm Springs Measure J Commission meeting, held November 17th, 2021
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A
Okay,
but
the
commissioner
footer
moves
and
soto
seconds
public
comment.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
measure,
j
commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
commission,
although
the
commission
values
your
comments,
pursuant
to
the
brown
act
generally,
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
are
a
sign
for
each
speaker.
A
I
do
know
that
there
is
a
divisioning
session
or
is
scheduled
for
this
weekend.
I
think
with
a
follow-up
in
10
days,
which
is
great,
but
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
some
kind
of
indication
as
to
when
we'll
actually
get
direction,
and
I
think
in
several
of
the
meetings
that
we've
had
and
a
couple
of
the
committees
I've
been
on,
there's
been
a
lot
of
concerns
expressed
by
commissioners
about
our
cancelled
meetings
and
about
our
lack
of
direction
from
city
council.
I
did.
A
I
did
invite
asked
councilman
coors
if
he
wanted
to
speak
beforehand
or
was
able
to
meet
at
this
come
to
this
meeting.
But
I
know
there's
three
other.
I
think
there's
three
other
commission
meetings
going
on
at
the
same
time.
So
I
assume
that's
very
difficult,
but
the
concern
really
is
that
it's
an
oversight.
Commission,
I
don't
think
we're
being
allowed
to
do
our
job,
and
this
is
what
I've
been
hearing.
A
And
what
the
concern
seems
to
be.
Is
that
we're
not
passing
projects
through-
and
I
realize
there's
you
know-
engineering
is-
is
obviously
overwhelmed,
but
I
think
the
public
has
entrusted
that
measure.
J
funds
would
be
set
would
be
spent
or
at
least
allocated,
and
we
have
been
moving
forward
with
community
projects.
But
again
I
think,
there's
a
million
dollars
from
last
year.
A
million
dollars
from
this
year
and
then
a
million
dollars
we'll
have
next
year.
A
Unfortunately,
I
created
a
bit
of
confusion.
I
apologize
to
nancy
and
evelyn
in
that
naomi
and
I
offered
to
reach
out
to
people
that
they
had
any
questions
and
evelyn
started
arranging
the
meetings,
and
I
realized
that
wasn't
overly
burdensome
and
wasn't
really
intended,
although
it
was
appreciated,
so
we
naomi
and
I
are
reaching
directly
to
some
of
these
people,
and
I
would
encourage
anyone
on
the
commission.
A
If
there's
people
out
there
who
want
to
know
about
measure
j
funds
to
either
answer
questions
or
direct
them
to
someone
else
who
can
answer-
and
this
is
not
it
turns
out-
I
don't
think
it's
just
for
the
community
initiated
projects
but
for
other
projects
within
measure
j.
I
think
we
all
saw
the
the
dog
park
proposal
for
1.3
million.
I
know
commissioner
marshall
mentioned
the
mizell.
Has
you
know
a
more
expensive
project?
A
So
what
what
I
am
going
to
recommend
that
we
do-
and
this
is
open
for
discussion
is
and
and
just
in
city
manager,
has
been
very
clear
that
you
know
city
council
is,
is
overwhelmed
and
and
they've
set
up
a
system
where
everything
goes
through
them
and
they
just
they,
don't
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
it
all,
and
I
think
our
commission
is,
I
mean,
there's
some
extremely
talented,
experienced
people.
I
know
several
people
have
been
on
other
commissions,
commissioner.
Marshall
was
on
the
original
measure
j.
A
I
know
consumer
craig's
been
on
several,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
skills
and
input
that
I
think
can
can
help
move
this
along.
I
think
several
of
us
either
have
businesses
or
operated
businesses
or
been
in
business,
so
understand
that
you
know
sort
of
delegate
or
divide
and
conquer
will
get
a
lot
more
done.
A
So
what
my
recommendation
that
we
can
discuss
as
a
commission
as
we
go
through,
I
know
we
have
to
do
the
budget
and
capital
projects
is
that
we
consider
formally
requesting
to
city
council
that
they
schedule
in
joint
meetings
with
us.
It's
unlikely
from.
I
guess
the
timing
that
there
will
be
one
before
the
new
year
and
I
don't
know
if
the
idea
is
that
we'll
have
one
to
discuss
21
22
or
to
just
do
one
for
21
through
23
or,
if
we'll
do
them
separate
or
together.
A
A
So
that
is
not
something
that
would
have
to
go
to
to
to
council,
but
we've
had
issues
with
not
getting
information
out
to
the
public
and
again
I
know
amy
blaisdell
is
sort
of
operating
as
a
one
person
department
right
now
and
and
and
she
didn't
have
the
approval
to
spend
the
money
to
get
an
outside
people
to
help,
and
I
think
we
have
the
budget
and
I
think
it's
very
important
for
measure
j.
You
know.
Eventually,
this
is
going
to
come.
A
First
of
all,
I
think
we
have
a
responsibility
to
the
community
and
then
I
think
eventually
it
will
come
up
for
a
vote
again
and
I
think
we're
at
a
point
now.
Probably
most
people
don't
even
remember
the
vote
or
what
it
was
for
or
forgot.
So
I'm
sorry
to
ramble.
But-
and
the
only
last
thing
I
would
say
is
we
continue
to
encourage
the
community
to
to
submit
ideas
and
proposals
through
either
community
projects
or,
if
they're,
larger
ones
as
well.
So
I'm
sorry
for
hogging
all
that
time.
A
Anybody
else
I
mean
is
anybody,
I
guess
what
the
question
is,
and
we
can
discuss
this
later.
Is
whether
people
are
okay
with
us
sort
of
moving?
You
know
moving
forward,
not
not
in
conflict
to
not
having
city
council,
but
with
the
idea
that
the
more
work
we
can
do
and
the
more
progress
and
the
more
pressure
on
that
we
have.
We
have
firm
ideas
that
we
could
we'll
be
active.
We
will
be
able
to
act
more
immediately.
C
Yeah
I
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
if
we
keep
kind
of
we're
going
through
our
own
prioritization
process
of
projects
and
kind
of
reviewing,
if
there
are
other
as
city
council
kind
of
goes
through
their
visioning
sessions.
Of
course,
we
can
always
like
modify
and
review
kind
of
our
own
conversations
and
can
put
any
other
mitigations
in
place,
but
at
least
we're
not
starting
from
zero,
and
we
can
kind
of
go
step.
Five,
then,
to
step
three
and
then
keep
going
or
whatever
it
might
be.
C
E
Yeah,
yes,
I
some
simply,
I
agree,
and
I
think
we
have
the
benefit
of
several
meetings
worth
of
high
level
consensus,
that
the
capital
plan
that
staff
engineering
is
finance
have
put
together
for
us
has
has
framed
a
strategic
plan
that
is
without
controversy.
Among
the
commissioners,
the
fine
tuning
is
a
different
discussion
and
I
think
that
I've
already
set
guideposts
for
us
that
allow
us
to
propose
action
now,
as
projects
get
much
closer
to
being
actionable
or
being
needed
by
the
community.
E
D
H
Hi
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
mention-
we've
discussed
this
at
several
meetings
that
the
we
weren't
going
to
meet
as
measure
j
until
after
the
visioning
session
in
november
and
december,
and
I
think
joelle
has
a
meeting
date-
tentative
meeting
date
already
scheduled
for
january,
but
I'll.
Let
him
talk
about
that
as
far
as
projects,
though
we'll
go
to
that
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
this,
but
we
we
did
have
the
five-year
plan
and
I
think
joel
moved
some
of
those
things
up
from
the
five-year
plan.
H
A
A
Okay,
my
next
question,
just
while
we're
here,
is
that
if
for
2122,
that
3
million
were
increased
to
6
million,
given
the
fact
of
the
presentation
you
made
several
months
ago
about
you
know
the
the
importance
of
doing
more
sooner.
Can
that
physically
be
done
since
you
have
a
contractor,
or
is
there
no
point.
I
No,
so
the
contract
that
I
have
right
now
for
street
repair
paving
is
six
million
dollars
worth
of
paving
throughout
the
street
throughout
the
city,
the
three
million
that
we
have
for
next
year.
If
you
increase
that
to
six
million,
we
will
issue
another
contract,
for
you
know
for
another:
six
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
or
street
repayment.
So,
yes,
we
would
use
it
all.
A
I
I
A
I
A
Okay,
so
we
can
hold
this
until
later
when
we
go
to
the
projects,
but
I
I
think,
given
the
the
funds
now
and
that
we're
already
a
third
of
the
way
through
the
year,
that
might
be
something
to
push
for
21
22,
given
that
if
we
have
30
million
dollars
worth
of
other
projects,
there
would
be
too
much
to
handle
anyway,
and
can
I
ask
one
more
question:
is
that
the
million
dollars
for
community
projects,
none
of
that
was
spent
from
21
20
21?
Is
that
right,
fancy.
E
You
try
here
we
go
trying
to
trying
to
unmute.
This
is
probably
more
of
a
request
than
a
question
and
sharing
this
point
with
nancy
and
joel,
when
I,
when
I
flip
screens
or
flip
pages
from
the
the
active
year,
spend
and
the
active
year
budget,
I
have
a
hard
time
basically
keeping
my
fingers
in
the
right
cell.
If
you
will,
of
what
money
on
joel's
list
relates
to
this
current
fiscal
year
versus
a
prior
fiscal
year,
and
so
without,
without
asking
anybody
to
look
at
it
right
now.
E
A
H
H
Those
were
approved
if
you
look
at
2021.
Those
were
those
were
approved
in
2021,
where
it
says
completed
projects.
So
if
so,
they
were
budgeted
on
my
worksheet
in
20
recommended
budget
2021
and
he's
saying
that
they
were
completed
in
21.
Oh,
I
don't
know
that
doesn't
make
sense.
It
should
be
yeah,
so
it's
21,
22
fiscal
year
that
they
were
completed.
E
B
H
D
H
E
E
I
I
Right,
I
can
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
and
just
just
to
further
that
point
a
little
bit
if
you
see
a
nazi
spreadsheet,
she
talks
about
shade
structures,
283
000
and
in
the
fiscal
year.
2021
on
the
completed
projects
is
the
shade
structures
for
the
park,
so
that's
completed
and
done
so.
We've
we've
already
burned
through
the
two
hundred
dollars
and
built.
It
same
goes
for
restrooms
at
sunrise
park.
I
If
you
go
to
the
completed
projects,
the
sunrise
at
restaurants,
park
is
completed
as
well.
So
it's
sort
of
giving
you
an
example
of
what
it
is.
Other
parks
are
still.
Projects
are
still
in
the
process,
so
I
can
go
into
the
memo
if
you'd
like
yes,
please,
I
guess,
is
it
easier
for
me
to
share
my
screen
or
you
all
have
access
to
the
actual
memo
I
have
it.
I
I
The
second
request
was
to
talk
about
projects
that
were
previously
approved,
but
put
on
whole
pending
the
council
visioning
session.
So
that's
sort
of
what
I
was
trying
I'll
try
to
relay
in
further
down
in
the
memo,
and
the
third
request
was
to
talk
about
the
five-year
cip
and
any
other
projects
not
being
approved
so
interesting.
Interestingly
enough,
the
convention
center
staff
reached
out
and
they
had
certain
projects
that
they
wanted
measure
j
to
fund.
I
So
when
I
was
putting
this
memo
together,
they
actually
sent
me
the
project
sheets,
the
request
sheets,
and
they
described
five
small
projects
that
they
wanted
funded
using
measure
refunds.
So
I
included
them
in
the
memo
just
for
conversation's
sake,
and
when
we
take
all
our
measure
date,
projects
from
the
commission
to
the
council,
I
would
probably
be
including
those
projects
as
well,
so
to
get
funded.
Can
I
ask
just
for
a
second.
A
Convention
center,
I
know
that
rob
hampton
who's
in
charge
of
the
convention
center
and
the
bureau
of
tourism
is
also
in
charge
of
the
visitor
center
and
the
visitor
center
at
not
the
wellwood,
but
the
one
at
the
north
end
of
the
tramway
is
in
need
of
work
and
both,
I
think,
exterior,
there's
a
it's
a
class
one
of
stark
building.
So
I
think
it's
painting
and
minor
things
with
the
restrooms
and-
and
I
know
interior,
it
needs
an
update.
A
It's
a
it's
a
revenue
source
for
the
bureau
of
tourism,
but
they
are
not
city
they're
contracted
with
the
city,
so
by
definition
they
have
to
go
through.
I
think
the
city
manager
can
we
ask
invite
them
to
submit
if
there
is
in
something
they
need
for
the
visitor
center.
I
know
the
wellwood
was
done,
but
not
the
one
up,
town
up,
northbound
right.
I
So
the
visitor
center
building
is
a
city-owned
facility
correct
yes,
so
they
can
reach
out
to
engineering
and
similar
to
what
the
veteran
convention
center
did
fill
out
a
worksheet
and
eventually
it'll
get
included
into
the
request
for
measure
j.
It
does
it's
not
necessarily
one
of
the
small.
It's
not
a
community
project.
It's
an
actual
facility
that
needs
renovation,
that's
owned
by
the
city,
so
they
can
reach
out
to
us
and
I'll
provide
the
same
information.
I
did
to
the
commencement.
I
If
they've
already,
they
understand
the
process,
they
can
be
easy
for
me
to
include
it
and
that
certainly
I
I
intend
to
do
with
most
of
the
other
departments.
I
have
already
reached
out
and
asked
whoever
has
new
projects
to
fill
out
these
sheets,
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
bring
it
back
to
mr
j
and
so
that
we
stay
consistent.
The
format
is
consistent
and
the
commissioners
are
able
to
understand
what
we're
trying
to
bring
forward
with
projects.
C
C
What
was
was-
that's
always
originally
only
intended
for
the
tennis
and
the
pickleball
courts
like,
or
is
there
another
phase
where
playgrounds
are
going
to
be
shaded
or
because
they're
beautiful
but
they're,
not
necessarily
in
multiple
areas
around
the
park?
So
I
was
just
curious
as
to
how
that
decision
making
was
done
was
it.
I.
C
I
D
What
happened
was
the
parts
commissioner
parks
and
reclamation
asked
for
shade
structures,
just
in
general
measure,
j
and
the
through
the
budget
process,
we
gave
them
a
budget
dollar
amount
and
then,
after
we
got
the
bids,
we
basically
built
as
many
shade
structures
as
we
could
for
the
approved
budget.
There
are
I.
I
am
aware
of
another
project
that
cynthia
the
former
director
of
parks
and
rec.
She
submitted
a
grant
application
for
some
shade
structures
at
the
aquatic
center
as
well
as
desert
highland
park.
D
The
original
project
was
focused
around
the
ball
fields,
pickleball
and
tennis
courts.
So
you
know
it
even
included
one
at
the
baseball
field
at
the
corner
of
what
is
that
street
right
right
next
to
the
stadium
that
other
ball
field
by
the
sunrise
park
entrance?
So
there
are
more
shade
structures
to
be
built
around
different
facilities
separately,
attending
the
parks
and
rec
commission.
I
know
there
was
interest
in
those
giant
shade
structures
that
cover
playground
equipment
that
some
of
the
other
cities
have.
I
Well,
it
doesn't
have
to,
but
it
would
be
better
to
have
them
sort
of
spearhead,
spearheaded
and
get
them
involved
throughout
the
entire
process,
because
I'm
sure,
if
we
do
one
they
may
have
preferred
we
do
another
one.
Why
put
us
in
that
position?
It's
better
to
come
through
the
commission
to
us
so.
D
Yeah
and
I
did
attend
the
parks
and
rec
commission
meeting
and
they've
already
completed
their
own
commission
visiting
kind
of
session
where
they
did
their
own
priorities
for
the
upcoming
years
prioritizing
what
kind
of
projects
they
want
to
ask
for
for
funding
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
they've
already
gone
through
a
process.
D
C
Okay,
great
yeah
and
then
the
other
question
I
was
going
to
ask
that's
on
this
list
that
is
also
tied
to
parks.
Is
the
playground
surfacing,
and
so
that's
the
kind
of
like
that
rubbery
cement.
That
goes
underneath
playgrounds
right
and
it
has
already
been
approved
for
the
parks
that
need
it
or
yeah.
I
So
we're
working
we're
actually
they're
under
construction
right
now.
I
think
we
finished
a
few
of
them
and
we
recently
just
yesterday
got
another
rec
or
a
quote
from
the
same
contractor
to
expand
the
or
to
improve
victoria
park
to
do
the
the
resurfacing
on
victoria
park.
They
figured
they're
here
already
and
if
you
could
get
it
approved
through
the
measure
j
commission,
we
could
issue
them
a
change
order,
possibly
instead
of
having
to
go
back
out
and
they
can
do
the
work.
I
I
D
Yeah,
just
just
to
give
you
some
history,
the
original
playground
resurfacing
project
included
the
booth
park,
desert
highland
park
and
victoria
park,
and
then
once
we
got
the
bid,
the
bidders
the
project
out,
the
bid
we
found
out
or
once
we
did,
the
engineering
quotes.
It
was
going
to
be
way
too
expensive
to
do
all
three.
And
then,
if
you
remember,
we
decided
to
move
forward
with
the
booth
and
desert
highland
park
and
then
you,
I
think
it
was
either
this
commission
or
the
parks.
Commission
said,
like
don't
forget
about
victoria.
D
F
D
D
E
A
quick
question:
if
we
could
just
I'll
I'll
try
to
be
brief,
a
quick
question
back
on
the
convention
center
list
and
without
getting
into
the
weeds
of
the
project
requests
that
will
be
coming
inevitably,
as
we
deal
with
it
in
the
future,
but
I'm
curious
and
mark.
Commissioner.
Marshall
might
have
background
on
this,
but
I
was
genuinely
surprised
to
see
the
convention
center.
A
If
I
can
just
add
to
that,
too,
is
that
you
know
there
are
things
which
also
lead
to
the
downtown
revitalization,
which
also
adds
tax
revenue
to
the
city.
So
I
think
some
of
the
the
justification
is
not
that
measure
j
is
only
community
based
projects,
but
there
are
things
that
add
to
the
revitalization
of
the
city
and
then
something
like
the
convention
center
is
an
economic
driver.
A
It's
a
city-owned
property,
that's
managed
by
someone
else,
but
it's
an
economic
driver
so
that
that
is,
I
think,
part
of
the
and
I'm
not
saying
yes
or
no
or
anything.
I'm
saying
that's
part
of
the
justification
of
it
and
it's
the
same
as
what
the
visitor
center.
What
they're
looking
at
is
whether
that
drives
people
down
to
downtown
to
spend.
So
that's
important.
D
Commissioner,
robin
can,
I
just
add
real
quick
to
just
a
reminder
that
the
measure
j
funds
comes
from
one
percent
sales
tax
right.
So
if
we're
driving
a
lot
of
visitors
to
the
city
that
spend
or
buy
things
in
the
city
of
pop
springs,
part
of
their
sales
goes
to
measure
j.
So
it
does
create
a
a
reasonable
nexus
that
measure
j
funds
do
fun
stuff.
E
I
I
I
I
I
see
that
I
see
the
dotted
line.
I
don't
see
the
straight
line
and
I
could
see
a
dotted
line
of
measure
j
underwriting
hotel
development
as
a
way
to
generate
future
growth
for
the
city.
Again,
I
don't
want
to
dwell
on
it,
but
it's.
This
is
a
this
is
a
thought
bubble
that
I've
been
carrying
around
since
I
saw
joel's
memo.
I
I
A
C
B
D
I
Yeah
the
park
was
open.
Project
is
not
100
complete.
We
still
have
a
contractor
on
site,
they're
still
doing
work
in
the
building,
they're
still
doing
fine
tuning
to
the
waterfall
and
other
issues
related
to
the
waterfall
that
needed
to
be
addressed.
So
we
waited
until
after
the
parades
to
shut
it,
or
I
think
it
was
pride
after
pride
to
shut
it
down
to
be
able
to
fix
it.
I
That's
so
so
going
moving
on
page
two,
I
guess
yeah
page
two
we're
talk.
I
mentioned
the
projects
underway.
The
playground
resurfacing
that
there's
demuth
park
desert
highland
park
restrooms
the
2021
pavement
repairs
that
that's
the
six
million
dollar
project.
That's
ongoing
right
now:
the
pavilion
acoustics,
the
design
of
the
roundabout,
the
recreational
light
field
and
the
traffic
management.
Those
are
all
projects
that
are
ongoing
right
now
that
we're
all
actively
participating
on
my
team's
working
on.
I
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
questions
on
that
now
to
sort
of
move
on
to
and
sort
of.
I
guess
I
want
to
turn
it
back
to
commissioner
bernstein,
you
posed
a
question.
What
do
you
want
to?
What
do
you
want
me
to
discuss
as
far
as
the
projects
that
were
presented
to
the
council
and
that
were
removed
from
funding?
Do
you
want
me
to
elaborate
you?
You
can
see
the
list
of
the
projects.
I
can
talk
about
them.
I
I
This
money
here
that
you
have
the
three
million
dollars
is
going
to
be
my
next
paying
project
and
if
you
increase
it
to
6
million
it'll,
be
you
know
we'll
do
that
much
more
work
out
there
in
the
city
and
that's
that's
as
best
as
I
can
describe
it
right
now.
We
do
have
six
million
dollars
under
contract
and
the
next
project,
if
you
only
have
three
million,
will
be
a
three
million
dollar
project
and
we
we
kind
of
wait,
we're
finished
with
it
and
then
in
between
the
painting.
I
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
guess
I
had
one
more
question
for
engineering
for
the
dumuth
dog
park,
the
200
000.
I
know
the
parks
and
rec
is
wanting
to
redo
the
the
the
city
hall.
One
to
what
extent
does
that
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
alleviate
the
problems
that
they're
having
there
in
terms
of
traffic
and.
D
Joe,
I
can
answer
that
question,
I'm
sorry
a
little
bit
more
yeah,
so
the
parks
and
rec
commission.
Of
course
you
know
if
you've
been
to
dumuth
park
the
large
dog
park.
It's
that
big
triangular
area,
that
kind
of
looks
like
a
lot
of
dirt
and
what
the
parks
and
rec
commission
wanted
to
do.
Was
they
understand
that
there's
this
larger
grant
that
the
city
applied
for
and
there
was
matching
funds,
and
it
was
like
three
million
dollars
and
stuff
like
that.
They
wanted
to
do
a
smaller
project.
D
D
2000
was
to
create
a
small
project
because
there's
a
lot
of
rocks
in
the
dirt,
and
so
what
this
would
do,
allow
them
to
like
run
a
screed
over
the
rock
and
try
to
remove
a
lot
of
the
large
pebbles
in
the
in
the
dirt.
Maybe
add
some
mulch
and
some
little
landscaping
areas
and
just
make
it
a
little
bit
like
a
like
a
facade
improvement.
D
I
That's
that
project
okay,
so
I
wanted
to.
I
guess:
I'm
gonna
contradict
on
a
little
bit
or
maybe
we're,
because
I
went
to
the
actual
sheet
2116
and
what
I
understood
that
we
are
using
for
the
bigger
project
right,
the
one
where
we're
applying
for
grant
funds
there's,
I
think
we're
applying
for
about
1.6
million
dollars
in
grant
funds.
There's
quimby
funds
that
were
going
to
be
set
aside
for
that
project
and
then
there's
also
another
match
that
we
needed
to
to
use
for
that
project.
I
A
I
Yeah,
I
can
go
also
a
little
bit
of
the
history.
These
are
the
projects
that
I
presented
to
the
city
council
with
our
budget
before
the
beginning
of
the
fiscal
year.
The
projects
that
made
it
to
the
staff
report
that
were
ultimately
the
council,
decided
that
we
shouldn't
move
forward
until
with
these
projects
until
they
had
a.
I
I
guess
it
really
was
I,
and
I
at
least,
I
think
it
was
prompted
by
the
commission
wanting
to
have
a
joint
meeting,
and
I
think
that
at
that
time
the
council
didn't
want
to
move
forward
with
these
projects
until
they
met
with
the
commission,
but
I
may
be
a
little
bit
foggy
on
that
memory,
but
go
ahead
and
ask
your
questions
on
these
problems.
Commissioner,.
B
I
D
I
D
Okay,
so
community
development
block
grant
comes
from
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development,
so
it's
like
hud
money.
They
call
it
and
that's
basically
based
on
census
tracts.
So
it
can
be
only
spent
in
census,
tracts
that
have
a
a
median
income
level.
That's
generally
pretty
low,
and
so
you
know,
as
property
values
increase
a
lot
of
our
areas
that
were
in
community
development,
block
grant
eligible
census,
tracts.
D
D
C
D
D
G
F
I
I
Well,
yeah,
absolutely
absolutely,
and
one
of
the
things
I
I
should
mention
is
the
current
six
million
dollar
paving
project
is
underway.
It's
it's
gonna
be
ongoing
for
the
next
three
four
or
five
months,
so
the
six
million
dollars
really
won't
come
into
play
until
like
next
summer
and
we're
getting
ready
to
do
the
next
project.
I
F
G
I
I
A
I
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
I
think
you
can
wait
unless
somebody
comes
in
and
takes
out
the
whole
60
million
to
do
something
with
it
right.
I
think,
if
you're
considering
projects
in
the
future,
if
you
continue
to
to
consider
signal
orders,
then
you
can
wait
and
do
it
together
with
the
rest
of
the
projects.
D
Yeah,
and
also
I
want
to
tell
the
commission
there
is
a
set
window
weather-wise
that
we
can
pave
when
it
gets
too
hot.
It's
just
difficult
to
do
the
paving.
So
that's
why
it
kind
of
has
to
be
planned
ahead
of
time
I
mean,
but
generally,
what
we're
doing
is
if
we
were
to
do
three
million
dollars
next
year
and
then
three
million
dollars
the
year
after.
G
I
don't
know
where
to
put
this
question
in
so
I'm
just
gonna
throw
it
out
here.
I
really
appreciate
the
descriptions
of
the
titles
and
the
funding.
Is
there
any
way
to
take,
because
these
are
in
a
word
document
any
way
to
just
get
the
the
number
the
title
and
a
summary
of
all
the
funding
on
one
page
of
the
project?
So
we
can
get
a
feel
of
what
the
cash
flow
is.
I
We
we
had
those
extensive
spreadsheets
in
the
past.
Actually,
when
we
started
with
the
commission,
spreadsheets
were
very
massive
and
we
can
do
that.
I
think
if
you
allow
us
to
don't
very
good
at
excel,
we
can
come
up
and
nancy
can
actually
with
their
new
software,
can
probably
do
some
really
easy
good
reports.
We
can
produce
something
that
we
come
and
present
to
you.
That
would
give
you
just
that,
showing
all
our
projects,
funding
expenditures.
I
H
G
Well,
I'm
asking
you
know
we
were
just
talking
about
demuth,
so
I
still
have
that
one
up,
so
it
was
like
give
me
the
reference
number
2116,
a
title,
the
mute
park
and
then
show
what
the
funding
is
when
we're
doing
the
funding,
21
22,
22
23,
but
be
able
to
just
do
a
brief
description
and
then
we
can
refer
to
these,
but
I
just
would
like
to
see
what
the
totals
for
those
years
are.
So
I
get
a
feel
of
the
total
cash
flow.
D
H
Three
you'll
see
for
2021
he's
going
to
spend.
It
wants
to
spend
16
million,
and
if
you
look
at
my
spreadsheet
for
what
you,
what
your
balance
is,
is
1709
621,
that's
what
we
get.
That's
our
balance
that
we
can
spend
as
of
this
year.
So
joel
took
that
number
and
came
up
with
page
number
three
21,
so
you
would
have
to
take
the
17
million
minus
the
16.
Whatever
you
have
left
over.
That's
up
for
grabs.
G
I
I'm
sure
marshall
was
really
asking
for
the
spreadsheets
that
we
did
in
the
past
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
just
say
that
we
we
can
work
together
with
nancy,
to
do
something
easy
to
do
with
our
current
software
and
they
can't
produce
something.
We
just
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time,
because
the
other
spreadsheets
took
enormous
amount
of
time
to
just
keep
them
up
to
date.
I
think.
I
We
can
work
together
to
come
up
with
something
that'll
show
it,
and
it's
we're
doing
that
anyways.
When
we're
working
with
our
budgets
with
our
our
five-year
cip,
we
kind
of
look
at
each
year.
We
know
how
many
projects
we
have
the
funding
available
and
how
what
we're
spending
at
least
projecting
to
spend.
So
I
think
we
can
do
something.
D
I
When
we,
when
we
get
rolling,
we
can
at
some
point
as
part
of
the
financial
presentation
we
should
bring
to
the
table
how
much
money
we
have
for
certain
fiscal
year
with
certain
with
the
projects,
how
much
we're
spending.
So
we
do
have
to
report
the
commission,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
control
of
it
and
be
able
to
do
it
in
a
manner.
That's
understandable.
G
H
D
D
So
here's
the
five-year
booklet
right.
Can
you
see
that?
Yes,
yes,
yes
and
I
tried
to
display
the
information
in
different
ways,
so
this
is
by
fund
for
each
fiscal
year.
This
is
what
I
think
you're
asking
for,
and
it's
opened
a
book,
and
so
it
has
the
project
they
each
funds
and
then
each
year,
how
much
dollar
amount
and
then
so
that
goes
for
all
the
projects
and
then
here
this
is
like
year
one.
D
G
I
I
I
think
we
can
do
that
presentation
once
we
have
good
direction
from
council
projects
and
then
something
to
report
right
now,
we're
still
working
on
the
five-year
cip
or
if
you
will
a
projection
of
what
we
would
be
spending
this
these
next
five
years,
because
we
still
haven't
gotten
there.
So
I
think
we
can
accommodate.
D
I
He
asked
me
to
to
go
ahead
and
look
at
our
five-year
cip
and
if
I
were
to
bring
forward
you
know
a
bunch
of
projects
and
spend
all
that
money
in
year,
one.
What
would
it
look
like,
and
that's
essentially
what
the
list
that
I
came
up
with
right
now.
I
guess
the
number
is
like
17
point
something
million,
but
here's
where
I
would
you
know,
increase
the
budgets,
maybe
fund
one
project
all
in
one
year
and
like
you
can
see
21.01,
which
is
the
annual
payment
rehabilitation.
I
That's
where
I
would
recommend
giving
us
the
six
million
dollars
and
we
just
keep
on
going
like
the
main
library
set
aside.
You
know
1.2
million,
and
I
have
an
asterisk
indicating
that
these
projects
are
going
to
be
funded
in
other
years
as
well,
so
it
doesn't
get
the
project
actually
constructed
in
the
first
year.
It
just
essentially
sets
aside
some
money
to
to
eventually
get
to
the
full
funding
over
the
next
two
or
three
years.
I
And
that's
pretty
much
it
and
that
I
don't
necessarily
think
we
want
to
go
over
the
convention
center
projects.
I
think
the
at
the
very
end.
I
provided
a
worksheet
where
it
shows
what
they
want
to
do,
but
the
descriptions
are
pretty
odd.
I
guess
the
marquee
upgrade,
which
is
a
upgrade
their
marquee,
the
exhibit
hall
error,
exhibit
hall
air
wall
and
acoustical
tire
refurbishes
they're,
just
the
internal
acoustic
tiles
they
want
to
refurbish
those
replace
carpet,
upgrade
some
landscaping
and
some
lighting,
so
that's
sort
of
what
they
want
to
do.
I
A
Just
I
I
think
we
should
have
a
bigger
discussion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
add
something
else
to
commissioner
robin.
You
know
they.
They.
There
is
a
also
a
community
direct
community
line
of
the
convention
center.
I
mean
they've
been
for
the
past
year
and
if
they
do
a
food
distribution,
they
did
the
the
christmas
thing
they
did.
You
know
the
back.
The
covet
testing
they
administered
40
000
vaccines
there.
So
there
are
other
things
which
are.
Besides,
you
know
commercial
conventions
as
well.
E
G
D
There's
a
storage
room
in
the
existing
library
that
the
library
board
of
trustees
wanted
to
convert
into
like
community
meeting
space,
and
so
if
we
were
to
take
out
that
equipment,
they
would
have
to
go
somewhere
or
everything
stored
in
there.
There
were
like
archival
machines
and
and
some
documents
and
stuff.
So
if
we
were
to
fix
the
jc
fray
building
that
stuff
that
was
in
that
room
can
move
over
there
and
then
that
space
would
be
opened
up
for
programming.
D
E
D
D
D
B
Yeah
and
I
think
that
building
is
highly
highly
important
to
the
library,
because
that
is
where
they
do
their
annual
book
sale
and
in
the
back
room
is
filled
with
books
that
we
receive
to
sell
to
the
public,
which
is
a
big
big
fundraiser
for
the
library,
and
I
think,
if
I
write
a
water
pipe
broke
in
there,
so
that
caused
a
big
problem
and
that
was
not
repaired.
So
therefore,
the
toilets
and
the
wash
basins
were
not
repaired.
B
The
plan
that
I
think
the
library
has
is,
if
and
when
there
is
a
plan
to
either
remodel
the
building
part
of
the
business
could
be
handled
from
the
fry
building,
they're
not
going
to
move
all
the
stuff
over
there
and
store
it.
That
is
an
active
building
where
I
think
the
library
has
submitted
a
project
in
the
main
library
to
improve
a
meeting
room.
I
I
haven't
seen
the
plans,
but
we
have
discussed
that
with
jeannie,
but
the
fry
building
is
important.
B
It's
really
an
adjunct
to
the
services
of
the
library,
so
I
think
it's
an
important
historical
project
and
because
of
plumbing
and
being
an
old
bill,
it
used
to
be
the
jc's
building,
actually
had
it.
So
I
I
really
would
like
to
see
that
stay
in
comparison
to
a
lot
of
money,
that's
spent
in
other
places.
A
Suggest
that
we
have
about
10
minutes
before
we
get
to
board
commission
comments,
so
I
mean
at
this
point
we're
just
getting
the
update
and
the
review
and
answering
questions
from
from
joel
and
don.
So
why
don't
we
move
forward
with
the
projects
there
and
then
I
guess
the
next
meeting
we
can
start
prioritizing.
We
have
to
wait
till
then.
I
Yeah,
so
I
I
have
not
much
more
to
add
to
the
memo.
I
think
the
the
list
of
16
projects
was
just
me
playing
with
the
numbers
to
try
to
get
to
16
17
million,
and
it
really
doesn't
really
reflect
what
we
you
know
what
the
commission
might
do
in
the
future.
Once
we
have
full
discussions,
just
a
quick
exercise
on
my
part.
I
think
don
mentioned
that
jc
friday
had
a
580
in
the
in
in
our
in
our
worksheets.
I
I
E
I
think
we
we
have
the
benefit
of
time
and
as
we're
having
this
conversation
and
the
the
that
thought,
the
idea
that
commissioner
craig
raised
of
should
we
proceed
now
with
the
six
million
for
doubling
down
on
annual
pavement.
It
seems
like
there's.
There
are
a
lot
of
good
ideas
here
and
we're
probably
going
to
have
to
say
no
to
some
good
ideas
and
if
we
have
the
opportunity
to
say
no
at
the
same
time
that
we
say
yes,
it
might
be
a
more
complete
conversation.
H
I
I
Discussion
during
the
approval
of
the
budget
that
they
didn't
have
sufficient
time
to
actually
look
at
the
five-year
cip.
So
it
was
almost
a
reintroduction
of
the
five-year
cip.
But
I
think
I
suspect
that
the
city
manager
may
want
to
have
a
full
buy-in
from
the
measure
j
commission
before
we
bring
the
five
years.
I
Yeah
yeah,
so
we
think
in
gen
in
december
we
can
have
a
bigger
discussion,
but
I
suspect
that
that
five-year
cip
may
be
bumped
to
another
date,
maybe
not
january,
maybe
in
february.
I
think
we
do
need
to
let
this
commission
really
bet
all
the
facts
and
then
give
their
opinion
for
which
projects
they
want
to
bring
forward.
If
we
have
that
joint
meeting,
maybe
in
february
or
the
discussion
on
the
cip
in
february
that
would
assist,
I
think
that
would
make
it
easier.
A
C
Maybe
maybe
one
recommendation
can
be
if
there's
any
questions
or
concerns,
or
you
know
anything
specific
about
these
project
projects
that
we're
looking
at
right
now,
maybe
we
can
send
it
to
joel
and
his
team
before
the
december
meeting
so
that
way
we
have
that
information
already
at
our
disposal,
that's
kind
of
like
a
to-do
list
for
us.
I.
A
Think
it's
an
excellent.
I
would
recommend
if
there
are
questions
specific,
that
we
can
direct
it
to
joel
you
know
beforehand
and
and
maybe
you
can
coordinate
them
and
and
what
is
easy
enough
to
answer
could
have
we
could
have
before
the
meeting.
If
not,
if
it's
I
don't
want
to
create
double
work,
but
and
if
it's
not
easy
we
could
go.
We
could
then
have
more
full
discussion
at
the
meeting,
but
that
way.
I
A
Think
the
idea
is
that
we
would
want
to
move.
You
know
if
considering
how
we
have
this
year
and
next
year
to
all
happen
in
in
five
months,
basically
that
the
idea
with
city
council,
if
we
could
do
it,
be
more
efficient
in
our
use
of
time.
In
the
meeting
time
limited
time
we
have
together,
that
might
be
more
productive.
So
I
think
it's
an
excellent
idea.
A
A
So
I'm
going
to
ask
that
there
is
much
review
ahead
of
the
meeting
and
questions
before
that.
So
we
can
that
that
could
be
answered
so
that
we
can
use
it
efficiently
because
I
I
it
would
be
ideal
if
we're
asking
city
council,
you
know
that
we
really
want
to
meet
that
when
we,
if
we
do
meet
we're
fully
prepared.
E
A
question
on
the
community
projects
that
the
called
the
balloting
when
the
balloting
is
coming
in
is
I'm
not
sure
what
my
I'm
not.
I
don't
have
an
expectation
of
whether
we're
getting
information
homework
if
we
will
to
prepare
for
the
next
meeting
and
we're
individually
receiving
our
scorecards
to
individually
score
projects
or,
if
we're
doing
that
live
together
at
the
meeting.
E
C
E
B
B
G
C
B
C
A
B
A
Only
thing
is,
if
that
you
know,
if
there
are
things
that
we
don't
know
about
the
funding
and
what
it
would
cost
that
we
can,
if
we
can
get
some
input
from
joel
and
don
or
if
they
have
it
beforehand
or
a
rough
thing.
Just
so
we're
understanding.
If
somebody
has
requested
something
and
doesn't
really
know
what
it
would
cost.
B
I
think
you
have
time
we
don't
money's
not
going
to
go
out
the
door
at
the
end
of
december,
and
we
have
a
lot
to
do
right
here
and
maybe,
when
we
get
all
the
applications
in,
we
can
make
a
decision
but
to
sit
through
a
meeting
and
do
that
without
us.
Having
done
something
on
our
own
would
be
forever
forever.
H
Well,
don't
we
take
those
linda,
I
think
joe,
that
we
have
to
take
those
to
the
council
also
regardless.
So
I
thought,
if
we
take
them,
we'll
take
everything
at
one
time.
Okay,
I
mean
it's
up
to
you,
but,
and
I
thought
it
was
my
understanding
that
two
subcommittee
members
were
going
to
get
together
review
them
together
before
we
even
presented
them
to.
C
Is
that
I
mean
we,
we
discussed
that
as
an
option.
I
don't
think
we
ever
confirmed
one
way
or
the
other,
which
way
we
were
going
to
go.
I
I
don't
anticipate
the
community
initiated
projects
to
be
decided
by
january
to
present
to
council
that
that
I
don't
think
is
because,
especially
if
we're
inviting
people
to
present
and
so
forth,
we
might-
I
don't
know,
that's
all.
I.
A
Think
it
would
be
ideal
if
we
had
them.
You
know
they
were.
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
is
that
we're
gonna
have
hundreds
of
them.
If
we
have
a
couple
dozen,
I
think
the
whole
council
the
whole
commission
rather
can
we.
It
would
be
interesting
to
see
them
and
we
can.
Then
you
know,
figure
out
the
schooling
and
go
from
there,
but
unless
100
or
200
start
coming
in
then
I
would,
I
think
most
people
would
want
to
see
them.
A
D
A
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
way,
if
you
know
some
of
them
may
not
know
the
cause,
everyone
says
they
may
not
know
the
cost.
So
if
you're
gonna,
if
we
can
get
some
more
details
from
them
without
committing
or
making
any
decisions,
it
will
help
it
would
help
the
process
because
otherwise
it's
gonna
come
to
the
whole
group
and
we're
gonna
say:
let's
go
ask
them
these
questions.
Yeah.
C
I
would
say
I
mean
it's
more
of
like
hey.
You
have
information
missing
from
your
application,
we're
going
to
start
reviewing
on
december
16th.
You
know
you
want
to
answer
these
two
questions,
less
kind
of
like
vetting
of
like
looking
in
detail,
but
just
making
sure
they're
complete.
I
do
think
it's
going
to
be
possible
to
do
it
as
a
group
yeah.
A
F
F
I
also
wanted
to
thank
nancy
because
when
I
met
with
her
and
we
got
together
and
we
found
the
measure
j
signs
and
they
were
all
put
up
inside
the
park,
I
was
glad
to
see
that
at
the
pride
festival
they
were
still
all
up
and
people
were
reacting
to
it
and
seeing
them
at
the
at
the
event
that
we
had
the
ribbon
cutting.
They
were
passing
out,
fan
things
with
a
picture
of
of
nelly
kaufman
on
it
telling
people
about
considering
naming
the
park-
and
I
just
took
that
one.
F
But
I
took
this
and
I
made
that
I
think
for
the
future.
We
need
to
have
these
that
we
pass
out
at
every
event
that
we
do.
I
just
think
it's
another
piece
of
psychologically
getting
our
name
out.
I
brought
up
a
two
years
ago
and
it
was
voted
down
by
the
commission,
but
I'm
relentless
so
I'm
going
to
bring
it
up
again.
I'll
bring
a
picture
at
the
next
one
of
the
idea
of
the
flags
that
are
12
feet.
F
Tall
that'll
say
measure
j
on
it
to
consider
every
time,
they're
fixing
a
road
or
doing
something
to
consider
putting
something
like
that
up.
I
just
think
we
need
the
exposure
once
again
to
get
our
name
out
there
for
people
to
see
measure
j
out
there,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
jeffrey
the
way
he
ran
the
ribbon
cutting
for
the
event
at
the
park.
F
I
think
it
was
really
exciting
and
when
I
was
leaving
to
go
to
my
car
and
the
abba
group
was
playing
and
the
people
all
sitting
on
the
lawn
people
really
enjoyed
the
park.
It
was
really
something
that
turned
out
to
be,
I
think,
pretty
exciting.
It
was
different
than
some
of
us
thought
it
should
be,
and
I'm
not
gonna
be-
and
I
told
you
so-
but
I
was
bitching
two
years
ago
about
the
water
treatment
when
we
had
councilman
coors
and
councilman
holstage
wanting
to
do
that
water
park.
F
A
H
A
Well,
my
next
part
of
that
is,
I
don't.
We
don't
have
any
schedule
when
we'll
actually
know
anything.
So
I
I
understand
this
and
I
and
I
and
I
will
reference
that
we
understand
they're
having
the
visioning
session,
but
I
I
would
prefer
that
we
are
more
assertive
in
saying
we
need
to
get
policy
direction
and
a
meeting
scheduled
because
it's
clearly
very
hard
to
schedule.
Meetings
with
city
council
well.
H
I
think
joel
has
it
on
january
february,
and
I
I
would
wait
until
we
have
that
five
year
ready
plan
ready
to
go
before
we
say:
okay,
we
want
to
have
a
meeting
now
and
then
they're
like
okay.
Well,
let's
do
it
the
second
meeting
in
december.
We
don't
have
that
we're
not
even
ready.
Yet.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that
jeff.
A
I
I
think
we
should
find
I
mean
if
it's
going
to
happen
december.
I
think
it
might
be
too
soon,
but
if
there's
something
going
to
happen
next
year,
my
concern
is
that
this
we
were
supposed
to
have
our
joint
meeting
in
may
and
then
september,
and
now
we
have
no,
we
don't
have
any
date
that
we've
been
given
yet
and.
A
So
I
I
would
like
to
urge
them
to
ensure
that
that
happens
is
there
that's.
That
is
my
thing
and
I
understand
that
they're
planning
to
do
it,
but
we've
been
raising
these
issues
for
quite
some
time,
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
be-
I
I
don't
want
to
be
problematic,
but
I
want
to
be
let
them
know,
because
we
haven't
spoken
to
all
of
the
commission
council
that
we
think
is
important.
G
A
B
Everybody
seemed
to
have
a
wonderful,
wonderful
time
and
I
was
disappointed
there
were
lots
of
compliments
made
for
everybody,
but
I
think
our
two
engineers
from
the
city
should
have
been
had
a
little
shout
out
too,
and
I've
communicated
that
to
joe.
You
know
some
guy
with
a
shovel
got
a
shout
out,
and
I
do
hope
if
the
naming
ceremony
comes,
if
you're
going
to
do
the
pictures
of
nellie
kaufman,
that
they
are
really
good
pictures
from
historical
and
not
her
head
on
a
on
a
stick.
B
Her
great-great-grandchild
was
not
particularly
excited
about
that.
I
I
have
to
be
very
honest
with
you,
but
it
was
a
wonderful
night
and
jeffrey
really
said
complimentary.
Things
and
joelle
went
and
put
a
major
json
in
front
of
the
sunrise
bathroom,
and
he
said
it
will
be.
How
long
do
you
think
it's
going
to
be
there
and
it's
four
weeks
now.
I
think
when
I
go
to
yoga,
I
go
by
there
to
see
what's
happening,
it's
still
standing,
so
I'm
so
proud
of
those
bathrooms.