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From YouTube: Planning Commission Meeting | Jun 22 2022
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A Special Joint Session of the Palm Springs City Council, Boards, Commissions and Committees, held June 21st, 2022 at 6pm
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A
That
passes
at
this
point,
we
are
in
public
comments.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
planning
commission
on
consent,
calendar
and
other
agenda
items
and
items
in
in
general,
within
the
general
interest
of
the
subject
matter,
jurisdiction
of
the
commission.
Please
note
that
the
planning
commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
from
items
that
are
not
posted
on
the
agenda.
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What
about
now?
Is
it
showing
one
one?
Okay?
Is
it
the
large
screen?
Yes,
thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
okay.
So
the
application
before
you
tonight
is
a
condition
I
use
for
me
and
it's
by
the
desert
peak
energy
storage
center.
It
is
to
apply
for
a
condition
I
use
permits
for
a
battery
energy
system
also
known
as
best
so
I'm
going
to
go
over
the
scope
of
the
project.
I
As
proposed
phase,
one
is
400
megawatts
and
will
be
on
50
acres,
property
and
phase
2,
which
is
300
megawatts,
will
be
on
28
acres
to
be
built
approximately
two
years
after
the
completion
of
phase
one,
the
phase
one
will
have
about
728
20
by
15
foot
containers
on
the
50
acres,
and
when
the
phase
2
is
completed,
we
have
590
20
by
15
feet,
food
containers
on
28
acres.
The
facility
will
include
an
on-site
substation
in
battles,
access
roads
and
a
control
system.
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North
of
16th
avenue
and
as
I
responded
to
one
of
the
commissioners
earlier,
the
project
itself
would
not
encroach
into
the
county
area
the,
but,
however,
the
existing
southern
california
edison
substation
is
on
that
property.
So,
in
the
future,
when
the
overhead
transmission
line
is
built,
it
will
come
across
that
property
into
the
applicant's
substation.
That
is
right
here,
where
my
coaster
is
currently
located.
Even
I
don't
see
that
I
don't
see
them
right
here.
So.
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Yeah,
so
I
will
let
me
just
speak
briefly
on
that,
but
I
know
that
the
applicant
will
also
want
to
expansion
on
that
later
on.
It
is
owned
by
southern
california
edison
they
will
be
the
one
who
have
to
if
any
additional
parameters
required.
I
guess
the
applicant
will
have
to
work
with
southern
california
edison
to
obtain
those
permits
from
the
county
in
order
to
cross
the
line
into
the
proposed
on-site
substation.
I
Thank
you,
you're
welcome.
Can
I
move
forward?
Yes,
okay,
so
I've
already
talked
about
this
at
this
layout
of
site
one.
So
I
will
move
to
well.
This
is
just
to
show
you
clearly
how
the
the
layout
of
the
containers
will
look
like
on
phase
one
and,
of
course,
the
the
battery
foundation
that
will
be
built
on
this
side.
It
will
show
you
the
height
to
propose
height
of
the
containers,
which
is
which
have
will
have
maximum
height
of
16
feet
in
the
energy
industrial
area.
I
I
So
comparable
to
the
existing
wheat
mills
on
the
side,
which
is
approximately
240
feet
in
height,
the
containers
will
look
like
this.
The
maximum
height
for
the
containers
is
about
approximately
15
feet,
not
higher
than
16
feet.
So
this
is
how
they
will
look
like
when
you
compare
the
height
of
the
windmills
to
the
containers
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
on,
the
maximum
height
allowed
for
wind
turbines
in
energy.
Industrial
area
is
550
feet.
I
So
this
these
are
photo
simulations
of
how
the
site
currently
looks
this
we
are
taking
about
a
week
ago.
So
very,
very
recent,
and
the
next
slide
shows
how
so,
if
you
are
going
west
on
dylan,
this
is,
you
will
hardly
see
or
notice
the
containers,
and
this
is
the
southern
side
for
phase
two
site
and
once
the
containers
are
installed.
This
is
how
they
would
look
like
again.
You
can
see
the
difference
in
height
brian
I'm
gonna.
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So
for
this
project,
an
environmental
documentation
was
prepared
and
a
notice
of
intent
to
adopt
the
initial
study
was
published
and
that
there
were
only
four
comments
that
were
received
and
included.
Inclusive
of
the
one
that
was
that
you
received
today
in
the
mail
will
make
it
five
responses
have
been
made
to
all
of
the
comments
received,
and
therefore,
staff
will
be
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
adopt
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration
and
approve
the
project
as
proposed.
I
I
Madam
chair,
I
will
conduct
that
will
conclude
myself
report
I'm
available
for
any
any
question.
It
is
a
public
hearing.
The
applicants
are
here
and
his
team
of
experts
are
here.
We
also
have
a
representative
from
terra
nova.
The
series
consultant
that
prepared
the
mitigated
negative
declaration
so.
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How
our
conditions
are
structured
is
for
anything,
that's
new,
going
to
or
powering
up
any
portion
of
their
project,
and
if
it's
under
a
certain
kilovolts,
I
believe
it's
44.
000
kilovolts
should
be
installed
underground,
although
if
you
do
have
some
previous
lines
that
were
overhead
or
if
you're
going
to
have
lines
that
are
going
to
be
transmission
lines
in
nature,
we
would
work
with
the
applicant
and
edison
because
sometimes
edison
overrides
us
and
edison
doesn't
want
some
of
the
lines
put
underground
for
safety
reasons
or
for
other
particular
reasons.
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Question
was
about
the
goals
and
procedures
in
the
general
plan
and
the
land
use
element
the
one
of
the
findings
we
make
ties
into,
or
it's
as
it's
set
up
now.
It
states
that
this
project
will
help
meet
important
goals
and
policies
related
to
energy
use
can
edward.
Can
you
identify
more
specifically
what
goals?
I
suspect
that
it
really
does,
but
I'm
I'm
wondering
what
is
the
goal
that
this
ties
into
so.
I
In
general,
but
first
of
all,
let
me
just
state
that
that
resolute.
That
resolution,
which
is
resolution
number
two,
has
been
rephrased
to
read
as
follows.
As
proposed,
the
energy
storage
facility
will
help
the
city
meet
several
important
goals
and
policies,
as
enumerated
in
the
series
general
plan
relative
to
the
use
of
alternative,
renewable
and
energy
sources.
So,
okay,
it
does
have
goals
and
policies
relative
to
alternative
and
renewable
energy.
Those
that's
what
I
was
referring
to
in
that
day.
Okay,.
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Okay,
I'm
just
wondering
what
conditions
they
might
have
been
assigned
to
these
projects
that
you
know
in
in
other
locations.
Just
clearly,
none
of
us
on
this
right
now
are
experts
at
this
is,
is
the
it
are
the
units
when
they're
stored.
You
know
in
the
store,
well
yeah
storage
when
the
energy
is
being
stored
in
them,
are
they
susceptible
to
either
terrorism
or
explosion?
I
Yeah.
The
reason
why?
Because
we
actually
discuss
that
internally,
but
they
do
have
a
very
good
security
system
that
is
controlled
remotely
and
if
it
has
to
do
with
a
a
sensor
that
has
to
do
with
any
type
of
movement
that
happens
on
the
side
will
be
detected
and
they
do
have
a
very
good
remote
security
system.
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I
you
know
I
was
reading
through
the
entire
report
and
what
would
have
been
extremely
helpful
is
given
the
number
of
issues
requiring
requiring
mitigation.
I
had
to
read
the
entire
report
to
identify
those.
It
would
have
been
really
helpful
if,
at
the
beginning
of
the
report,
there
was
at
least
some
list
of
those
environmental
issues
that
required
mitigation.
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Yes,
the
paragraphs
at
the
bottom,
where
it
says
the
second
from
the
last
paragraph,
approximately
40
of
the
best
structures
are
proposed
to
be
built
within
the
fault
zone.
Is
structural
setback
established
by
gary
s,
rasmussen
and
associates
so
and
then,
following
in
the
following
paragraph
as
well,
are
these
structures,
I
guess
they're
called
so
each
one
of
these
containers
is
called
a
structure.
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No,
no,
it's
it's
not
the
last
minute
it
was
containing
the
original
mnd
that
you
received
earlier.
That's
correct.
What
we
did
was
just
incorporate
those
mnds
into
the
conditions
they
were.
Those
conditions
were
made
about
four
months
ago
as
a
matter
of
fact,
and
then
it
created
a
little
delay
because
the
applicant
had
to
revise
the
excitement
to
incorporate
that
condition
into
the
cycle
of
phase
one
in
particular.
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That
not
typical,
no,
it's
not
typical.
Typically,
there
was
a
condition
in
the
original
set
of
conditions
that
you
have
that's
currently
in
your
position.
So
if
you
look
at
plm
7,
it
says
that
all
the
mitigation
measures
shall
be
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval.
However,
madam
chair
wanted
us
to
incorporate
those
mitigation
measures
into
your
into
the
hard
copy
of
the
conditions
of
approval,
and
that
was
what
was
sent
out
to
you
today
at
about
one
one.
One
o'clock.
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
of
staff
or
the
sql
consultant
there
being
none?
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing,
the
applicant
has
10
minutes
to
present
members
of
the
public.
Have
three
minutes
and
the
applicant
will
get
three
minutes
of
rebuttal.
We'll
also
ask
the
applicant
to
stay
with
us
for
any
additional
questions
of
the
applicant.
You
have
heard
some
of
the
questions
that
the
commission
members
have
asked.
So
if
you
feel
comfortable,
including
those
in
your
presentation,
that
would
be
helpful.
K
Great
I'll
begin,
my
presentation,
which
will
be
fairly
short.
My
name
is
dexter
liu,
I'm
a
director
at
nextera
energy
resources
and
our
renewable
development
arm.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
today.
We
really
appreciate
the
chance
to
share
this
project
details
with
you
desert
beach
energy
center
llc
is
a
subsidiary
of
next
air
energy
resources
here,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
go
through
this
real
quickly,
just
for
a
little
bit
of
context,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
history
in
this
area
here.
K
Nextera
energy
is
our
overall
parent
company.
It's
a
fortune,
200
company,
publicly
traded
and
has
been
in
operation
for
over
a
hundred
years.
We
own
florida
power
and
light,
which
is
the
local
utility
down
in
southern
florida,
but
the
site
of
the
company
that
I
represent
is
next
to
our
energy
resources.
K
This
is
the
part
of
the
company
that
develops
all
across
the
rest
of
the
united
states
and
we
build
all
types
of
energy
infrastructure
that
includes
wind
projects,
solar
projects,
battery
storage
projects,
but
also
transmission
lines,
natural
gas
plans
and
all
types
of
other
energy
infrastructure.
Here,
desert
peak
energy
center
desert
peak
energy
center
here
llc
represents
the
project
company-
that's
the
applicant
today,
but
we're
an
indirect
project
company
here.
K
I'm
mentioning
this
just
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
history
here
in
california
and
riverside
county
and
even
specifically,
the
city
of
palm
springs,
so
over
here
to
the
left
is
a
map
of
all
of
our
assets
that
we've
invested
in
in
california,
and
we've
been
present
in
california
for
multiple
decades.
Here.
K
We
have
a
large
solar,
plus
battery
storage,
complex
called
our
flight
solar
energy
center
that
has
close
to
2000
megawatts
of
solar,
and
you
know
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
megawatts
of
battery
storage,
both
operational
and
planned
for
expansion
over
there,
and
so
I
mentioned
this
because
nextgear
has
a
long
history
here,
but
we
also
have
a
long
history
of
operating
battery
storage
projects.
We
are
one
of
the
earliest
pioneers
of
utility
scale.
K
Battery
storage
that
would
be
grid
connected
we've
been
we've
got
assets
that
have
been
operational
for
close
to
10
years
now,
and
so
we
tend
to
be
long-term
owners
and
operators
as
you've
seen
from
our
history
here
in
palm
springs.
Specifically,
we've
had
a
couple
wind
farms
that
have
been
operational
in
the
city
for
multiple
decades
and
we
intend
on
doing
the
same
here
with
desert
peak.
We
plan
to
be
the
long-term
owner
and
operator
and
utilize
our
extensive
experience
with
battery
storage
in
order
to
operate
this
project
safely.
K
This
project
and
the
many
we've
done
in
california
support
california's
renewable
aspirations
in
trying
to
go
100
carbon
free
by
2045,
as
well
as
help
support
the
grid.
Reliability
needs
that
we
have.
This
helps
keep
the
lights
on
literally
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
one
second
here,
so
I
want
to
thank
edward
for
giving
a
great
overview
of
the
project.
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
this
just
because
so
much
of
it
has
been
covered,
but
some
of
this
will
pertain
to
some
questions
that
were
presented
to
staff.
K
So,
as
you
noted,
there's
the
denver
substation
up
here-
that's
a
southern
california-owned
substation,
that's
a
major
major
artery
for
much
of
the
energy
infrastructure.
Up
here.
Just
a
little
bit
to
the
northeast
of
our
project
is
the
sentinel
gas
plant.
So
that's
an
operating
existing
gas
plant
that
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware
of
down
here
is
phase
one
of
our
battery
storage
site.
This
is
400
megawatts
phase
two
is
300
megawatts
here
I
want
to
point
out
that
phase
one
is
planning
on
starting
construction
late
in
the
summer.
K
We
plan
on
being
construction
for
about
a
year,
and
this
will
involve
over
400
million
dollars
of
capital
expenditure
into
the
city
of
palm
springs.
Here
we
located
this
project
here,
because
it's
the
the
furthest,
you
could
possibly
go
in
northern
palm
springs.
This
is
as
remote
of
an
area
as
we
could
possibly
cite
it.
It's
directly
adjacent
to
a
number
of
other
pieces
of
energy
infrastructure,
including
a
substation,
including
the
gas
plant,
including
existing
wind
turbines
in
this
area,
and
to
address
one
of
the
questions
that
came
up.
K
I'm
not
sure
if
folks
can
see
my
screen
here,
but
the
diagonal
line
that
someone
mentioned
before
is
actually
existing
transmission
lines
that
southern
california
owns.
So
it
runs
from
the
northwest
corner
almost
to
the
southeast
corner
right
here.
So
we're
not
building
in
that,
because
that's
the
southern
california
edison
transmission
line
and
their
easement
that
we
can
only
cross
with
some
underground
cable
here,
but
we
think
it's
optimally
cited
it's
located
next
to
other
energy
infrastructure
and
we're
really
excited
to
work
on
this
here
with
you.
K
All
edward
showed
this
picture
as
well
in
his
presentation
just
want
to
put
a
little
more
context.
This
is
an
actual
existing
operating
battery
over
an
eastern
riverside
county
and
so
nextera
as
a
large
company,
and
a
lot
of
history
here
has
operated
these
for
several
years
and
we
have
experience
doing
similar
utility
scale.
Projects
of
the
same
magnitude
that
we're
proposing
here
in
city
of
palm
springs
with
the
desert
peak
project.
K
The
containers
to
the
left
right
here
and
the
white
are
actually
the
inverters.
These
switch
the
power
from
dc
to
ac
and
vice
versa.
The
actual
battery
containers
themselves
are
over
here
to
the
right,
these
slightly
larger
containers,
but,
as
you
can
tell
they're,
you
know
fairly
similar
to
shipping
containers
here,
they're,
not
very
high
profile,
as
you
saw
from
the
height
graphic
there,
and
so
you
know
just
want
to
point
this
out.
You
know
this.
K
K
This
is
my
last
slide
here.
This
is
just
the
benefits
that
this
provides
to
to
city
of
palm
springs
to
california,
and
so
on
the
biggest
one
being
grid
resiliency.
Here
everybody
knows
that
california
has
trouble,
keeping
the
lights
on
right
now
and
has
mandated
that
we
actually
procure
a
ton
of
battery
storage
and
capacity
going
forward
to
help
keep
the
lights
on.
The
goal
for
california
right
now
is
to
procure
11
500
megawatts
of
capacity
in
order
to
keep
the
lights
on
between
2023
and
2026..
K
K
The
most
when
folks
come
home,
the
sun
goes
down,
there's
no
longer
a
bunch
of
solar
generation,
but
you
know
folks
come
home
turn
on
their
dishwashers
turn
on
the
air
conditioning.
This
battery
will
help
dispatch
during
those
times
and
really
support
the
peak
demand
for
the
energy
grid.
Here
it's
going
to
benefit
both
the
local
community
as
well
as
all
of
southern
california.
K
I
heard
a
question
regarding
kind
of
where
the
energy
goes
you
know
is
deborah's
is
a
southern
california
edison
project
as
folks
are
probably
aware:
electricity
isn't
a
linear
path
flow,
so
electricity,
the
electrons,
go
where
they
want
to.
So,
inevitably
speaking
by
this
battery
being
located
here,
it's
going
to
support
both
the
local
grid,
as
well
as
the
larger
southern
california
grid
system.
Here,
just
I
want
to
talk
to
renewable
integration,
real,
quick
as
well.
This
this
project
also
supports
that
we
just
covered.
K
You
know
this
will
charge
a
lot
when
solar
is
producing
in
the
middle
of
the
day.
You
need
assets
like
battery
storage
in
order
to
help
capture
some
of
that
energy
and
shift
it
to
the
night
time
where
it's
really
needed,
and
so
we
can't
go
100
carbon
free
by
2045
without
the
use
of
assets
like
this
in
energy
storage,
and
so
this
will
help
support,
california's
carbon-free
goals
going
forward
just
two
other
quick
benefits.
Here
we
use
very
little
water
after
construction.
K
We
use
some
for
dust
control,
but
you
know
in
operations
we
use
almost
no
water
if
any
at
all
and
then
the
time
of
extreme
drought
we're
conscious
of
that.
So
we
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
the
other
is
that
this
will,
because
of
its
large
investment
amount
over
400
million
dollars
in
capital.
This
will
contribute
over
2
million
dollars
in
property
tax
to
the
city
of
palm
springs,
once
it's
operational
and
that's
on
an
annual
basis
here.
K
So
that's
then,
in
my
presentation
here
I
know,
there's
a
number
of
questions
here.
I'm
happy
to
start
addressing
those
if
folks
want
to
repeat
them,
if
I
didn't
answer
them
throughout
the
presentation,
but
I
appreciate
your
time.
We're
really
excited
to
continue
our
partnership
with
the
city
of
palm
springs
here.
A
E
Yes,
madam
chair,
we
have
a
number
of
participants
here
on
the
call.
So
what
I
would
ask
is
that
if
you
wish
to
speak,
if
you
remember
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak,
please
use
the
reactions
feature
at
the
bottom
of
your
computer
screen.
If
you're
participating
by
a
computer
and
click
the
raise
hand
feature,
I
see,
one
participant
has
already
done
that
we
do
have
two
people
who
have
requested
to
speak
via
telephone,
so
I
will
give
them
a
call
here
momentarily,
but
right
now
I
would
call
on
jeremiah.
E
L
Good
evening,
commissioners,
city
staff
and
members
of
the
community,
my
name
is
jim
rush.
I'm
the
business
manager
of
the
international
brotherhood
of
electrical
workers,
local
union
440,
which
represents
over
1300
electricians
throughout
riverside
county,
many
of
which
who
live
throughout
the
coachella
valley.
L
Some
of
the
commissioners
have
mentioned
about
safety
and
and
have
we
done
these
types
of
projects,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
we
have
completed
here
in
riverside
county.
We
have
completed
two
projects,
the
desert
harvest
project
and
the
maverick
project,
and
we're
currently
working
on
three,
and
many
of
them
are
with
next
tara
as
a
partner,
along
with
our
electrical
contractors.
L
The
benefits
of
these
projects
not
only
benefit
the
community
and
the
state
grid
as
far
as
achieving
goals
through
sb
100,
but
it
also
achieves
local
community
goals.
Projects
such
as
this
affords
our
local
union
to
reach
out
to
local
community
groups
and
and
provide
opportunities
into
our
trainee
programs.
L
Over
the
years
we
have
put
local
residents
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
local
residents
to
work
with
good
paying
union
jobs
with
benefits
for
not
only
themselves
but
for
their
families.
It
also
provides
opportunities.
We
have
veterans
programs,
our
helmets
to
hard
hats
and
v
programs.
Projects
such
as
this
provides
opportunities
for
our
veterans
that
are
looking
to
transition
into
civilian
life.
L
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
fit
for
where
it's
it's
planned
and
it
provides
opportunity
not
only
for
your
city
to
get
renewable
power
and
achieve
those
goals,
but
also
provide
opportunity
for
those
within
your
local
community
to
work
and
build
and
learn
the
electrical
skill
set
necessary
to
build
these
type
of
projects.
Thank
you.
H
Yes,
thank
you
good
evening,
commissioners,
staff
and
community
much
like
our
partnership
with
the
ibw
477
and
mr
rush.
My
name
is
louis
lopez,
business
agent
for
the
ironworkers
local
433
and
both
riverside
and
san
bernardino
counties.
Last
year,
the
iron
workers
reported
3.5
million
working
hours
in
solar.
H
H
Also,
our
at-risk
community
that
are
successfully
transitioning
from
probation
departments
also
those
that
are
not
academically
or
financially
sound
and
succeed
in
college.
There
are
numerous
special
populations
that
can
benefit
from
the
building
trades
apprenticeship
programs.
This
I
know,
because
I
sit
on
the
san
bernardino
county
workforce
development
board,
where
we
also
have
partnership
with
riverside
county.
H
D
Thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone
I
just
wanted
to
throw
in
my
two
cents:
I've
lived
in
southern
california
and
palm
springs.
All
of
my
life,
I've
watched,
I
watched
palm
springs,
reject
a
renewable
energy
office
park
that
people
wanted
to
develop
in
the
1980s
that
would
have
developed
batteries.
Solar,
wind,
other
interesting
technologies
at
the
time
and
innovative
technologies
at
the
time
and
palm
springs
said.
Oh
no,
that's
not
what
we're
about
well,
we
finally
come
around
to
the
point
where
we
don't
have
any
choice
anymore.
D
This
is
what
we're
about.
This
is
what
everyone's
about
we're
watching
the
water
levels
in
lake
mead,
get
lower
and
lower
solo,
in
fact,
that
many
of
the
turbines
that
are
used
to
generate
our
electricity,
no
longer
work
and
they're
having
to
install
turbines
with
that
will
work
with
a
lower
water
level.
D
It's
without
developing
renewable
energy.
We
will
be
digging
ourselves
into
a
huge
hole
that
we
will
never
be
able
to
get
out
of.
Every
step
we
can
take
towards
renewable
energy
will
help
us
in
the
long
run
and
to
have
a
backup
system
that
can
help
us
on
in
hot
summer
days,
when
we
have
brown
outs
or
blackouts
is
a
phenomenal
benefit
to
the
community.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
support
it
and
I'm
so
glad
that
this
project
is
being
put
forth.
E
J
E
J
This
is
one
more
link
in
the
chain
of
making
palm
springs,
the
renewable
capital
of
the
world.
It
already
is
it's
just.
Nobody
knows
it,
because
we
have
the
san
gorgonio
pass
the
best
wind
zone
in
the
world.
All
things
considered
and
we've
been
building
windmills
here
now
this
is
my
40th
year
building.
Windmills,
we
have
solar
here
and,
although
I
never
thought
I'd
live
to
see
it,
we
now
have
surplus
solar
energy
in
the
system,
even
in
the
summer
afternoons.
J
The
problem
is
what
happens
when
the
sun
goes
down
and
then
you've
got
the
shortages,
and
so
the
state
has
gone
out
to
the
industry
and
said
we
have
to
have
batteries
to
store
the
solar
energy.
You
know,
what
do
you
do
when
the
sun
goes
down
and
the
wind
doesn't
blow
well
here
we
are
with
these
large
battery
systems,
and
next
era
is
the
leader
in
getting
these
things
built
and
and
they
work
beautifully.
J
E
M
E
E
M
D
M
You
know
everyone
knows
we
produce
a
lot
of
wind
and
solar
energy,
but
we
actually
aren't
really
realistically
harnessing
the
full
potential
of
it
all,
because
we're
not
able
to
store
the
energy
and
after
the
completion
of
this
project,
we
would
actually
be
able
to
store
up
to
700
megawatts
of
energy,
so
between
the
company
itself,
having
a
good
reputation
for
clean
air
projects
and
coupled
with
what
it
would
mean
for
us
as
a
city
to
lead
as
the
renewable
capital
of
the
country
right.
It
would
be
great
to
be
called
that
as
well.
M
Thank
you.
I'm
calling,
of
course,
to
support
the
desert,
peak
energy
center
battery
storage
facility
at
the
mountain
as
palm
springs
and
and
the
whole
patella
valley
actually
have
expanded
our
wind
farms
and
our
solar
projects
to
where
we
are,
as
I
think
mr
noble
said,
we're
becoming
a
real
center
of
renewable
energy,
something
I
think
that
we
can
be
really
proud
of
and
embrace
it,
because
it
wasn't
that
long
ago
that
we
turned
down
many
of
these
projects.
M
20
years
ago,
wind
and
solar
was
very
controversial
and
we
lost
out,
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
our
renewable
energy
development.
So
right
now,
we've
advanced
so
far
that
we're
now
producing
more
and
renewable
energy.
Then
we
can
feed
into
the
grid.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
some
of
that
surplus
energy,
I
understand,
has
been
sold
to
other
states.
The
wind
farms
and
the
solar
fields
can
produce
more
by
utilizing
battery
storage
systems,
and
that
is
the
future
I
think
for
removal.
M
More
importantly,
we
can
store
this
peak
energy
to
be
used
during
the
hours
evening
hours
when
wind
and
solar
forms
of
warming.
So
that's
why
I
think
the
saturn
project
is
so
great,
and
I
know
it's
the
first
one
that
we've
had
of
this
size
in
this
area
answering
a
lot
of
questions,
but
I
I
I've
been
studying,
and
I
I
belong
to
a
couple
of
national
renewable
energy
groups
and
this
company
that
we're
that's
applying
for
this
permit.
M
The
nextera
energy
is
a
highly
regarded
renewable
energy
company
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
they
were
just
featured
in
a
very
positive
article
in
the
wall
street
journal,
which
I
I
think
have
followed
to
the
chair
of
the
clinton
commission
and
if
they're
there.
Their
mission
is
to
cut
the
carbon
emissions
to
zero
by
2045,
which
is
very
similar
to
what
we
have
in
the
state
of
california.
M
So
the
project
is
located
right
next
to
the
deeper
substation,
which
is
absolutely
the
place
that
it
should
be.
It
uses
little
water,
there's
not
any
buildings
on
the
property.
It's
utilizing
no
city
services
yet
regret.
We
always
get
a
great
increase
in
taxes
to
the
city
and
in
slew
of
the
fact
that
we
lost
the
distribution
center,
which
would
have
been
22
or
25
million
dollars
a
year
in
taxes
to
the
city.
M
I
I
still
will
appreciate
that
we're
getting
the
two
million
from
this
facility,
so
I
urge
you
to
vote
yes
on
this
lottery
sport,
since
it
would
be
so
that
palm
springs
and
the
coachella
valley
can
expand
and
continue
being
a
leader
in
the
renewable
energy
field.
I'm
proud
that
we
are,
and
I
want
us
to
move
forward.
So
I
asked
you
to
do
a
yes
vote
on
this
project.
So
thank
you.
A
K
Sure
thing
we
don't
have
any
rebuttals
to
the
comments
that
were
submitted.
We
appreciate
the
public
support
of
this
project.
They
are
all
favorable
and
we
echo
what
they've
stated
were
we're
interested
in
becoming
and
helping
out
and
helping
to
launch
more
renewables
in
the
grid.
Here
so
really
appreciate
that
I'll
take
this
time
to
address
some
of
the
comments
that
were
previously
asked
to
staff,
I
think
addressed
a
number
of
them
in
the
presentation
itself,
but
there
were
some
questions
about
the
lifespan
of
the
project
here.
K
The
lifespan
of
this
is
at
least
20
years,
but
we
at
nextera
have
a
history
of
extending
these
with
good
operations
and
maintenance.
We
have
an
excellent
o
m
team
so
for
some
examples
for
both
the
wind
projects
and
solar
projects
that
we
have
built
in
the
past,
we
have
re-powered
them
in
order
to
extend
their
lives
so
we'll
either
partially
decommission
some
of
the
wind
turbines
and
put
up
better
and
newer
technologies,
as
you
have
probably
seen
here
in
palm
springs,
and
we
just
recently
did
that
for
a
solar
thermal
project
as
well.
K
In
san
bernardino
county,
we
decommissioned
an
old
solar
thermal
plant
and
are
replacing
it
with
newer
fertile
photovoltaic
plants.
So
you
know
again,
this
is
one
of
the
benefits
of
working
with
a
great
company
that
wants
to
own
and
operate
these
for
the
long
run,
not
just
the
asset
life,
but
try
to
maintain
this
relationship
here,
the
equipment
at
the
end
of
life
should
we
take
it
down.
These
battery
storage
facilities
tend
to
be
recycled,
so
we're
working
closely
with
our
battery
vendors
in
order
to
find
homes
for
them.
K
There
are
a
lot
of
second
life
applications
for
these
batteries
here
and
so
we're
confident
that
there
are
responsible
ways
to
recycle
them
and
decommission
them
responsibly.
Here
I
think
those
were
the
main
ones
we
wanted
to
address,
but
we'll
make
sure
we
answer
any
ques.
Other
questions
that
the
commissioners
have.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
yeah,
the
the
lifespan
was
one,
but
that
was
answered.
Thank
you
in
terms
of
like
what
could
go
wrong
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
would
interest
me
and
what's
how
you
would
mitigate-
and
I
mentioned
terrorism-
somebody
laughed
I
don't
know-
is
that
funny
or
is
that
something
to
be
considered?
I
have
no
idea,
I
don't
know
what,
if
these
things
are
just
completely
inert
or
is
there
something
about
them?
That
could
cause
a
catastrophe.
B
K
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
couple
questions
there.
Let
me
try
and
address
those
in
order.
Then
let
me
start
with
the
terrorism
question,
so
our
company
takes
it
very
seriously.
We
have
a
dna
of
being
a
utility
company,
which
means
that
we
have
to
take
cyber
security
extremely
carefully,
so
that
is
typically
the
form
of
terrorism.
We
are
very
aware
of.
K
There
haven't
been
really
attacks
on
physical
attacks
on
energy
infrastructure
here,
but
we
have
a
laser
focus
at
our
company
in
preventing
hacking
or
cyber
security
issues,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
take
very
very
seriously.
We
take
the
data
controls
the
scada
systems.
These
are
the
control
systems
that
help
operate
these
and
make
sure
they
are
very
secure
links
in
terms
of
doing
so
when
it
comes
to
physical
infrastructure
attacks.
The
benefit
of
this
project
here
is
it's
fairly
distributed.
K
K
Here
we
have
experts
that
can
speak
to
some
of
the
fire
risk
here,
as
I
know,
folks
are
acutely
aware
of
that,
but
we
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
these
are
operated
safely
here,
commissioner,
your
second
question
was
on
other
mitigation
conditions
that
have
been
imposed
in
our
other
projects.
Is
that
correct.
B
B
K
Of
sure,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
operational
ones
in
eastern
riverside
county
we
have
the
most
battery
storage
operational
in
the
united
states,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
experience
here.
We
also
have
a
very
large
facility
down
in
florida
that
we
have
built
in
the
last
year
and
are
operating
here
I'll
say
that
the
the
focus
of
mitigation
measures,
the
real
question-
is
on
code
and
fire
safety.
Our
company
goes
above
and
beyond
in
terms
of
complying
with
fire
code.
K
We've
been
really
an
industry
trendsetter
in
ensuring
battery
safety,
and
so
what
we
have
is
a
whole
team
of
engineers
and
consultants
that
help
us
make
sure
we
stay
on
top
of
the
latest
technology
for
batteries
and
so
beyond.
Just
the
mitigation
measures
which
some
come
from
planning,
some
involve
engineering
and
some
regarding
fire.
K
We
also
take
best
industry
practices
from
the
utility
industry,
which
has
a
big
culture
of
safety
here,
and
so
we
have
consultants,
including
one
called
american
fire
technologies
on
the
phone
with
us
today
that
helps
us
comply
with
fire
code
and
make
sure
we
design
these
as
safe
as
possible.
So
I
know,
that's
not
directly
answering
your
question
on
other
mitigation
measures,
but
you
know
what
we
do
is
we
design
well
above
mitigation
measures,
typically
well
above
code,
to
make
sure
we
operate
these
safely.
C
K
Yeah
so
we'll
split
those
out
typically
into
construction
and
operational
jobs
here
these
will
bring
at
least
several
hundred
construction
jobs.
This
is
a
very
large
facility
here.
That's
going
to
involve
a
lot
of
work
on
the
ground
here
over
the
next
year,
so
it
can't
give
you
an
exact
number
of
bills
being
the
low
hundreds
of
jobs
there
operationally
speaking,
we'll
have
a
couple
technicians
that
will
be
assigned
to
this
site
here
for
the
long
term.
K
C
A
little
bit-
and
so
I
guess
the
next
question
I
have
for
you
too.
I
also
heard
you
guys
speak
of
how
you
guys
work
with
different
programs.
I
didn't
hear
you
guys.
I
mentioned
our
local
palm
springs.
Unified
school
district
has
an
academy
at
our
desert.
High
springs
school,
that's
a
a
real
academy
where
the
students
are
learning
the
solar
projects
and
then
different
things
like
that.
Have
you
guys
tried
to
reach
out
to
palm
springs,
unified
school
district
about
that
program
that
they
have
available
in
the
schools?
K
That's
a
great
question:
we
we
personally
have
not,
but
we
we
do
a
lot
of
our
work
with
construction
contractors
who
have
a
lot
of
these
great
relationships
comments
you
did
here
were
from
a
couple
of
couple
folks
that
work
for
these
construction
contractors
and
run
a
lot
of
these
pro
programs
there.
So
I'm
sure
they
have
some
experience
working
with
these
folks
as
well,
and
we
can
certainly
look
into
that
as
well.
Commissioner,.
C
To
reach
out
to
our
district
for
our
students
when
we're
speaking
of
employment
and
things
of
that
nature
and
anything
that's
going
to
help
our
city,
because
this
project
is
is
here
to
help
the
city
of
palm
springs.
That
is
something
that
I
think
will
be
important
to
my
decision
that
we
are
reaching
out
to
our
local
community
and
having
some
sort
of
a
benefit
for
our
city.
I've
heard
quite
a
bit
about
riverside
and
and
sandia
san
bernardino
unifi.
K
C
Is
an
apprenticeship
and
at
palm
springs
unified
school
district?
The
the
students
are
learning
how
to
integrate
themselves
into
these
work
fields,
and
it's
a
like,
I
said,
a
career
technical
education
component
that
the
school
district
offers
for
these
students.
They
have
a
facility
there
at
some
of
the
schools
in
the
school
in
desert.
Hot
springs
high
school
in
general.
They
have
a
facility
where
they
work
on
solar
projects
and
things
like
that.
K
L
Chair,
madam
chair,
is
that,
okay,
that
I
speak
to
yes,
yes,
please,
okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
irvin.
We,
our
local
and
along
with
the
iowa
workers.
We
do
a
lot
of
community
engagement
with
local
school
districts.
Speaking
for
my
local
we've,
we've
engaged
with
palm
springs,
unified
and
engaged
and
mind
you.
We've
had
a
couple
year,
hiatus
with
covet
and
what
have
you
but
we've
engaged
with
desert
sands.
We
do
what's
called
especially
when
we
have
these
job
opportunities.
L
We
do
what's
called
a
boot
camp
where
we
bring
high
school
students
that
are
typically
sophomore
to
seniors
out
to
our
apprenticeship
school
out
in
the
san
bernardino
area,
and
we
provide
them
with
an
all-day
academic
process
where
they
learn
math
relevancy.
So
they
learn
the
algebra,
the
trigonometry,
the
geometry
that
they're
actually
learning
in
school.
How
it
applies
to
the
trades.
We
teach
them.
L
First,
aid
cpr:
they
get
to
play
with
tools
and
learn
how
to
use
the
tools
properly,
whether
it's
drilling
unit,
strut
or
bolting
stuff
together,
and
they
also
learn
basic
electrical
safety
and
branch
circuitry,
and
that
we've
done
that
with
school
districts,
all
throughout
riverside
county
and
speaking
for
my
local.
Our
goal
is
to
be
more
engaged
in
the
coachella
valley.
We've
established
an
office
out
there
and
we
have
a
ton
of
members
and
that
live
out
there
in
the
valley.
So
we've
engaged
for
years.
L
L
Numerous
community
groups-
people
transitioning
I've-
spoke
numerous
times
at
the
prisons
out
there,
ireland,
and
what
have
you
in
chakawala
for
people's
people
transitioning
out
of
the
prison
systems?
We've
done
that
for
longer
than
I've
even
been
in
this
local
union.
As
it
relates
to
this
project.
We
will
continue
to
do
the
same.
C
A
A
E
E
K
Okay,
so
I
think
there's
a
question
whether
there
are
any
overhead
structures,
and
so
just
north
of
the
phase.
One
site
is
southern
california,
edison
property.
That
itself
is
in
riverside
county
and
southern
california.
Edison
will
work
with
their
appropriate
regulatory
authorities
to
get
that
overhead
line
built
at
this
time.
Southern
california
edison
is
planning
for
an
overhead
transmission
line.
It
is
a
high
voltage
nature
there,
but
that's
almost
wholly
within
riverside
county.
There
is
a
single
structure
in
the
northeast
corner
of
our
substation
property.
K
That
will
be
overhead
where
their
line
will
attach
to
our
property
afterward
that
transmission
structure
connects
to
our
substation
and
then
our
our
lower
voltage
cabling
is
all
underground
here
and
so
just
to
be
clear.
There
is
one
overhead
pull
of
a
high
voltage
nature
within
city
of
palm
springs
on
that
northeast
corner
there,
but
that's
determined
by
southern
california
edison.
That
is
their
plan,
and
you
know,
through
lots
of
engineering
that
they
have
done
in
coordination
with
the
california
independent
system
operator
with
us
in
southern
california.
Edison.
A
E
K
Yeah,
I
think,
just
for
the
for
the
avoidance
of
doubt,
a
good
reference
unless
indicated
by
southern
california
edison.
That
would
be
an
acceptable
modification
there
or
a
reference
to
code
or
saying
something
like
if
it's
over
44
kilovolts.
It's
exempt
from
this
underground
condition.
I
think
that
language
would
work
for
us.
A
K
With
this
condition,
we
hope
to
work
with
the
fire
department
on
this
one
and
leave
it
to
the
fire
department's
discretion
here,
whether
they
would
indicate
this
as
opposed
to
requiring
it
through
the
planning
commission
meetings.
What
we
have
done
is
we've
reached
out
to
fire
and
had
numerous
conversations
with
the
fire
department
at
city
of
palm
springs.
We
intend
to
continue
coordinating
on
this
novel
technology
here
we
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
on
them.
K
K
E
A
K
We
will
have
a
security
plan
implemented.
That's
something
that
we're
drafting
up
at
this
point
as
this,
the
site
is
fully
fenced
in
here
and
has
a
lot
of
remote
censoring
systems.
These
are
things
that
are
our
remote
sorry,
our
renewable
operations,
control
center
tracks
on
a
24
7
basis.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
those
measures
in
place,
but
we're
happy
to
provide
a
full
safety
and
security
plan
at
a
very
near
term
date
that
describes
all
of
our
measures
here.
A
E
F
K
K
We
don't
believe
so
so
these
in
terms
of
the
removal,
this
technology
is
designed
to
last
for
for
20
years,
as
we
discussed
in
terms
of
the
asset
life.
These
are
not
ones
like
cell
phones,
where
you
know
we
trade
them
in
every
two
years,
or
so.
We
fully
intend
on
operating
these
to
their
useful
life,
and
so
we
believe
that
this
you
know,
I
think
your
concern
is
probably
around
technology
technology
kind
of
going
out
of
you
know
compliance
or
I
think
you
get
what
I
mean
here.
K
K
We
have
a
whole
team
of
property
tax
experts
that
calculate
them.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
them
on
the
call
today,
but
in
terms
this
can
probably
be
quickly
calculated
and
you're,
probably
more
familiar
with
the
the
rates
than
I
am,
but
over
400
million
dollars
of
capital
expenditure
based
on
the
local
property
tax
calculations.
K
F
K
K
D
F
When
people
throw
around
numbers
like
that,
it
makes
that
seem
like
it's
a
real
benefit
to
the
city.
Two
million
dollars
that's
great,
but
if
it
isn't
clear
to
me
how
that
number
was
derived
I'd
like
to
have
that
determined
and
if
the
staff
could
do
that.
That
would
be
helpful.
Not
this
moment.
Obviously,.
D
A
A
G
Madam
sheriff
I
made
thank
you,
the
discussion
we
were
having
earlier
about.
Would
the
applicant
reach
out
to
local
schools,
and
you
know
help
them
with
educational
programs
related
to
this
facility.
You
know
if
they're
agreeable,
to
that.
That's
fine,
the
percentage
of
employment
or
a
requirement
that
a
minimum
number
of
palm
springs
residents
be
employed
by
the
applicant.
G
That
would
not
be
a
valid
land
use
condition
to
place
because
it's
not
related
to
land
use
in
and
of
itself.
If
the
applicant
wants
to
make
a
verbal
representation
that
they
will
make
good
faith
efforts
and
they
will
try
to
hire
locally,
they
can
certainly
make
that
just
verbal.
You
know
promise
to
the
commission,
but
I
don't
believe
we
could
lock
that
into
a
actual
land
use
condition.
G
Oftentimes
you
see
that
in
the
context
of
public
bidding
where
the
city
is
not
just
regulator,
but
also
purchaser,
so
you
do
see
that
sometimes
you
can
see
that
in
things
like
you
know,
labor
agreements
that
are
negotiated
contracts
between
the
two
parties,
but
I
it's
not
something.
That's
a
mandatory
land
use
condition
that
you
can
place
on
a
development
project
like
this.
G
G
Yes,
I
I
have
seen
that
when
you
have
public
projects
that
are
paid
with
city
money
because
again
the
city's,
not
just
land,
use
regulator
there.
The
city
is
also
a
purchaser,
and
that
gives
them
a
bit
more
latitude
to
you
know,
set
conditions
on.
You
know:
minimum
employment.
You
know
dbe
wbe,
mbe
requirements,
things
like
that.
G
E
E
E
E
A
D
D
A
E
D
A
The
motion
is
to
approve
the
c.u.p
with
the
findings
as
restated
by
staff
earlier
and
with
commit,
with
changes
to
engineering
condition.
43,
I
think,
as
as
approved
by
southern
california,
edison
with
a
deletion
of
fire
condition,
number
seven
and
modification
of
fire
condition
number
16,
which
was
as
as
approved
or
as
required
by
the
fire
department.
A
A
A
A
C
F
E
A
K
J
A
Moving
right
along,
we
have
no
unfinished
business.
We
do
have
new
business,
which
is
the
general
plan,
conformity
findings
for
the
five-year
capital
improvement
for
fiscal
years,
2023-2027
for
the
city
of
palm
springs
before
we
get
into
this.
I
just
want
to
mention
that
I
am
conflicted
on
the
item
that
discusses
the
the
plaza
theater
and
would
ask
that
if
we
discuss
this,
that
I
could
be
absent
for
any
discussion
of
the
plaza
theater.
G
A
Thank
you.
I
I
have
a
conflict
with
this.
I
am
on
the
board
of
state
of
the
plaza
theater
and,
given
that
they
are
going
forward
to
this
city
in
this
five-year
capital
plan,
which
involves
potential
funding,
I
think
it'd
be
best
if
I
recuse
from
the
entire
item
and
is
there
a
member
who
would
like
to
be
in
my
stead
and
share
this
item.
Commissioner
hirschbein,
would
you
be
open
to
cheering.
A
E
Okay
sounds
good,
so
we'll
we'll
know
for
the
record
that
you're
refusing
due
to
the
conflict
relative
to
an
item
on
the
in
the
staff
report,
so
with
that
I'll,
we'll
turn
it
over
to
commissioner
erspine
and
her
spine.
If
you
don't
mind,
reading
item
4a
into
the
record
and
then
we'll
have
the
staff
report.
N
N
The
city's
five-year
cip
is
reviewed
annually,
during
which
time
the
city's
needs
may
be
reprioritized
and
the
city's
financial
status
may
be
re-evaluated
pursuant
to
the
state's
government
code.
The
city's
planning
agency
is
to
review
the
city's
capital
improvement
program
for
consistency
with
the
adopted
general
plan.
N
B
D
D
G
C
B
F
B
B
B
E
Oh
well,
I
can
do
it
now,
yeah,
so
the
city
you
may
have
seen
the
city
has
announced
that
the
new
planning
director
will
start
on
august
1st.
His
name
is
chris
hadwin.
He
is
from
the
city
of
new
york
planning
borough
in
new
york,
so
he
has
some
history
with
new
york
as
well
as
in
canada.
So
he
does
have
a
wide
array
of
experience
and
we
look
forward
to
having
him
on
august
1st.
So
thank
you.
B
B
E
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is,
as
some
of
you
attended
and
know.
Last
night
we
had
the
joint
meeting
with
city
council
on
all
boards
and
commissions
and
just
wanted
to
thank
chair
wehrmacht
for
describing
all
the
things
that
we've
worked
on
in
the
past
year
and
things
that
are
coming
up
ahead,
so
we're
still
working
on
the
general
plan.
We've
got
that
to
adopt
on
the
update
to
the
general
plan
and
several
other
projects
that
are
continually
in
the
works.
B
Yeah
I
I
was
second
that
she
did
a
nice
job
to
hear
a
discussion
about
it.
She
talked
about
our
new
process
too,
we're
no
longer
reviewing
single
family
houses
or
signage,
and
when
the
architectural
review
committee
came
online,
mr
jay
quay
talked
about
that
as
well
and
how
he
feels
that
it's
a
much
better
fit
for
the
committee
for
his
group.
That
reviews
that
so
it
seems
like
a
win-win
for
us.
E
Yeah
and
what
what
I
might
also
mention
is
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting.
The
council
did
ask
commissioners
and
board
members
to
provide
comments
to
the
council
on
ways
to
improve
the
way
our
work
is
done.
So
what
we
might
do
is
schedule
for
our
next
agenda.
Just
a
discussion
item
on
that
and
if
there's
any,
you
know
kind
of
recommendations
that
the
commission
might
want
to
send
as
a
body
to
the
council.
F
B
Well,
one
of
the
things
that
mr
jakeway
brought
up
relates
exactly
to
that
which
is
enforcement,
and
he
pointed
to
a
few
enforcement
issues
he's
noticed
in
the
city
and,
frankly,
I
also
think
it's
an
issue
with
the
city,
because
I
see
things
that
obviously
haven't
been
approved
by
us
or
anybody
else
that
I
know
of
that
are
glaring,
so
yeah.
I
agree
with
you,
mr
mercy.