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A
I
post,
thank
you,
since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue.
That's
within
this
committee's
purview
comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time.
The
item
is
presented
if
you'd
like
to
speak
on
an
item
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
so
you
may
do
so
now.
A
A
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
with
the
consent,
calendar
unfinished
business
backwards,
Canyon
investors
LLC
owner
to
establish
a
sign
program
for
the
multi-tenant
commercial
complex
that
will
be
developed
as
the
scene
Palm
Springs,
located
on
601
to
789
East,
Canyon,
East
pack,
wits
Canyon
way
before
staff
report
I
believe
we
have
one
of
our
members.
Yes,.
D
F
It
includes
revisions
to
the
overall
signage
and
I'll
go
through
that
here
on
the
screen.
You
all
will
see
what
you
see
here.
First
is
the
site
plan
that
was
reviewed
the
last
time,
noting
the
locations
of
the
various
signs
and
the
color
bars
on
the
site
plan
and
what
you
see
I
have
circled
on
the
screen
are
all
the
signs
that
have
been
removed,
so
they've
reduced
the
overall
size
or
quantity
of
signs
on
the
upper
fascia
that
the
bank
building
that
you
see
on
the
top
left
of
the
screen.
F
They
had
three
signs
at
the
on
the
upper
fascia
of
that
building.
All
three
of
those
have
been
removed:
they've
removed
four
signs
on
the
the
three-story
office
building
at
the
rear
of
the
Center.
As
you
see
here,
circled
and
they've
also
removed
two
signs
on
the
new
pad
buildings
in
the
center
of
the
site.
You
see
circled
the
blue
bars
there.
F
In
addition
to
the
other
signs
that
you
see
for
the
shop
and
retail
tenants
on
the
ground
floor
original
middle
had
an
elevation
facing
talked
wits
that
you
know
some
of
the
committee
members
expressed
concerns
that
there
wasn't
enough
information,
so
the
African
has
revised
the
package
to
show
the
proposed
signs
on
both
the
building
at
the
front,
as
well
as
the
building
at
the
back.
So,
in
addition
to
removing
the
signs
that
you
saw
previously
proposed
on
the
upper
fascia
of
the
Bank
building,
those
have
been
removed
from
this
program.
F
They
have
also
shown
on
this
elevation
on
the
revised
submit
all
the
proposed
monument
signs,
which
are
obviously
very
small
in
this
wide
street
view
elevation
of
the
site,
but
you'll
note
that
right
below
where
it
says,
revised
the
middle
on
that
elevation,
where
it
says
a
1,
D,
2,
D,
1,
B
and
a
2.
Those
are
the
proposal
locations
of
the
freestanding
and/or
monument
signs.
F
F
F
One
item
that
they
submitted
subsequent
to
the
package
going
out
was
the
sign
brightness.
So
this
information
is
now
on
the
plan,
which
is
the
highlighted
on
the
screen
here,
but
it
talks
about
the
lumens
of
the
sign
brightness.
So
this
says
that
it
would
be
from
five
feet
from
the
sign
face:
you'd
have
20
lumens
at
6500,
K
as
and
then
10
feet.
It
would
be
4
lumens
at
6500,
K
they've
also
provided
sign
sample
examples
that
they
anticipate
for
the
the
shopping
center
from
other
examples
in
the
city.
F
Instead
of
just
doing
a
block
letter,
you
know
it
could
be
a
cursive
letter
or
another
type
of
font,
so
it
just
kind
of
is
updating
the
exhibits
to
show
that
the
Robie
variations
and
the
types
of
fonts
that
in
the
locations
that
they
are
proposed,
they
did
revise
some
of
the
materials
you
see
on
the
left
of
the
of
this
screen.
The
original
Smit
all
had
the
blade
sign
with
the
wood
material
that
wood
material
has
been
eliminated
and
on.
F
F
As
this
is
the
freestanding
signs
that
are
proposed
throughout
the
center,
this
is
the
sign,
the
site
plan
that
you
saw
at
your
last
meeting,
and
this
shows
what
I've
circled
here
on
the
bottom
are
the
two
signs
that
have
been
laminated,
so
they've
reduced
the
quantity
of
freestanding
signs
in
the
in
the
proposal.
They've
reduced
it
from
seven
five
along
talked:
what's
the
two
news,
the
two
existing
signs
will
be
replaced
as
well,
so
the
revised
middle
shows
the
signs
being
removed
from
that
site
plan
as
it
relates
to
the
design.
F
There
were
some
comments
about
the
wood
material
and
proposing
and
alternate
material
to
match
something
with
the
new
building.
So
what
they've
done
is
they've
shown
the
revised
material
in
place
of
the
wood,
which
is
a
metal
material
and
and
instead
of
four,
if
those
signs,
as
I
noted,
there
are
only
two
on
the
corners
of
street
corners
along
talked
woods.
F
In
addition
to
this,
as
you'll
recall
at
the
last
meeting,
there
were
two
options
for
this
monument
sign.
This
option
here
at
the
top,
which
shows
three
tenant
names
and
then
another
option
which
showed
signature,
executive,
suites
occupying
all
three
tenant
names,
the
space
where
that
those
three
tenant
names
are
now
they've
eliminated.
That
proposal
and
instead
of
proposing
the
three
only
the
three
tenant
name
signs
on
the
monument
sign.
F
F
The
two
signs
that
are
existing
would
were
the
the
sign
that
was
proposed
at
the
location.
Again,
they've
redesigned
it
to
remove
the
wood
material
and
in
place
adjusted
the
design
with
some
of
the
stone,
adding
some
of
the
stone
and
a
vertical
element
to
the
sign
and
incorporating
the
metal
material.
F
So
one
last
thing
that
they
also
did
was,
since
this
packet
went
out,
they
did
revise
the
what
we'll
call
pull
signs
for
the
project,
so
there's
two
of
them
that
are
proposed
consistent
with
the
location
that
was
previously
shown.
So
they've
read
the
redesign
the
elevation
here
you
see
on
the
left
as
the
original
elevation.
F
What
you
have
in
your
packet
is
slightly
different
than
what
you
see
here,
because
this
has
been
a
change
since
that
packet
went
out
so
the
this
and
as
I
said,
the
lighting
addition
was
also
a
change
since
the
packet
went
out,
but
this
does
show
more
of
trapezoidal
elements
signs
as
opposed
to
curved
radius
type
signs.
So
that's
again,
that's
one
revision
that
you
do
not
have
in
your
packet,
but
this
is
the
proposed
whole
signs.
F
F
The
second
recommendation
is
to
limit
third-story
signs
to
no
more
than
60
square
feet
in
area
and
then,
finally,
that
all
tenant
main
wall
signs
not
exceed
two
per
tenon.
So
I'll
conclude
with
that
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
The
Afghan
is
also
here
to
make
a
presentation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
F
G
A
A
F
A
F
E
F
E
All
right
and
then
the
same
thing
with
number
two:
you
set
a
maximum
area
of
60
square
feet
per
office,
tenant
sign
and
again
I'm.
Looking
I,
don't
see
in
the
package
where
they
show
the
office
tenant
sign,
but
the
signature
is
less
than
64
square
feet
as
it's
being
proposed
again
on
page
21.
So
it's
just
it's
just
setting
a
cap
is
that
is
that
what
you're
doing
all.
H
H
H
We've
provided
staff
pictures
of
whole
signs
that
are
part
of
the
gardens
at
El
Paseo,
and
so
it
would
only
be
stock
lighting
and
soft
down
lighting
on
a
panel
with
a
nice
attendant
name,
or
they
do
make
a
system
now
on
the
outside,
with
a
little
LED
wash
down,
but
they're
they're
just
panels.
No
internal
illumination,
okay,.
H
Know
I,
don't
think
I
really
have
any
comments.
I
worked
awful
hard
to
reduce
the
sign
program.
Tremendously
I
tried
to
listen
to
all
of
your
comments.
Did
the
best
day
I
can
they
assign
the
signers
program
is
is
a
key
to
any
successful
retail
project?
It
physically
cannot
build
a
project
without
a
reasonable
signage,
and
that's
why
this
project
has
failed
twice.
It's
just
a
go.
If
you
don't
have
signage
and
let
people
know
what's
happening
inside
your
project
with
some
reasonable
signage
on
chocolates
its
difficulties.
Other.
A
H
Efficient,
yes,
of
course,
a
building
that
set
back
150
200
feet
from
tock.
What's
that
can
have
limited
visibility,
even
if
the
front
buildings
weren't
there,
if
you
drove
by
it,
you
have
to
look
at
a
right
angle
or
left
angle
to
to
see
them
but
they're
critical
to
our
project,
because
we've
had
national
credit,
tenant
stock
brokerage
firms
come
to
us
and
they
they
won't
go
into
a
building
where
they
don't
have
building
signage,
even
even
if
it's
restricted
visibility
and
whatnot.
H
So
it's
something
that's
important
with
their
national
package
and
and
they
can
default
to
limited
restriction,
but
they
can't
default
to
no
signage.
They
just
can't
get
it
approved
through
corporate
and
that's
why
it's
there
and
it's
for
the
larger
tenants
that
would
go
back
that
office
building
to
the
rears
80,000
square
feet.
It's
a
big
building.
I
H
Street
and
wikis
away
on
those
blade
signs,
there's
there's
some
beautiful
blade
signs
with
internal
illumination
that
have
multi,
textures
and
whatnot
on
them.
We
can
go
either
direction.
The
key
is
for
the
tenants
to
the
rear
of
the
new
buildings.
As
people
come
on
in
on
talked
wits
in
there
looking
left
or
right,
they
state
they
see
and
can
can
see
that
there's
something
further
into
the
project
and
the
same
as
they're.
Coming
in
through
the
brief
ways,
it's
just
a
little
bit
more
identification,
especially
for
the
rear,
tenants
and
the
project.
D
Hi
there
I
do
have
one
question:
I
apologize
in
advance,
I
wasn't
here
for
the
last
meeting,
so
I
will
I
will
do
my
best
to
avoid
repeating
anything.
But
my
understanding
is
that
one
of
the
concerns
in
the
last
meeting
was
that
some
of
the
signage
was
to
call
of
colorful
or
too
bright
and
not
sort
of
fitting
in
with
the
Palm
Spring
style
or
the
landscape
or
the
natural
colors.
H
You
know
my
architect
just
designed
this
a
pole,
signage
on
the
right
and
I'm
more
of
a
bin
to
the
left
and
he
brought
it
in
but
they're.
Both
non-illuminated
they're
made
there
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
going
to
be
soft,
colors
and
and
much
much
nicer,
design
and
motif
and
and
whatnot
we're
not
going
to
do
any
block
letters
that
we're
trying
to
accrue
a
concept
at
the.
H
H
Oh
it'd
be
softer,
I,
don't
think
the
architect
really.
It
was
trying
to
define
colors,
because
we
don't
know
the
tenants
yet
and
in
corporate
colors
and
whatnot
is
it's
more
of
a
place
map
for
the
size
of
the
sign,
the
illumination
that
it's
compatible
pole,
wise
and
stone
at
the
bottom
with
the
building?
And
then
let
the
tenants
come
in
with
very
soft
and
varying
colors.
But
we're
gonna
go
red.
A
A
The
length
of
that
is
about
eighteen
foot,
six
I
I
frequent
that
theater
more
than
I
can
and
so
I
loved
that
corner
where
the
artwork
is
located,
and
then
you
have
that
tear
sort
of
landscape
shrub,
so
I'm
I'm
wondering
how
you
can
fit
the
eighteen
foot.
Six
on
that
corner,
as
well
as
where
the
other
bank
is
located.
I
understand
where
the
tenant
name
is
going,
that's
only
about
five
six
feet,
but
the
entire
length
is
pretty
long
on
that
corner.
It's.
G
A
H
H
F
Sure
yeah
so
with
with
any
same
program,
essentially
what
it
is
is
it
becomes
the
the
governing
document
for
the
site
and
in
order
to
streamline
tenant
identification
signs
when
they
come
forward,
it
is
essentially
an
over-the-counter
approval.
Should
it
conform
to
the
same
program,
the
with
the
same
program.
What
you
are
looking
at
is
essentially
location,
size
and
design.
F
Framework
of
the
signs
are
as
they're
presented
so
where
they're
all
located
the
sizes
of
those
locations,
and
then
you
know,
of
course,
there's
certain
things
that
would
not
change
like,
for
instance,
what
you
see
on
the
screen.
The
only
thing
that
would
change
for
for
this
would
be
the
tenant
names
within
that
framework.
But
you
know
everything
else
would
essentially
be
the
same
unless
they
rebranded
the
center
and
they
changed
the
shopping
district
and
then
just
the
scene
text
would
be
replaced.
So.
A
C
I'm
happy
with
these
signs,
with
the
continuity
of
the
background
colors
on
the
three
tenet
names
being
the
same,
and
it
appears
the
font
would
be
the
same.
I
think
if
we
saw
a
sign
in
the
future
that
there's
red
and
yellow
and
blue
with
different
fonts,
it
would
look
really
jumbled.
I
would
just
want
to
know.
Are
we
losing
control
of
that?
C
F
We
also
just
note
that
there
are
certain
limitations
that
the
city
can
impose,
isn't
when
it
comes
to
signage.
Because
of
the
you
know,
corporate
fonts,
the
city
is
not
able
to
restrict
every
single
font
has
to
be
the
same,
and
it
has
to
be
the
same
color.
So
that's
it's
something
that
the
Supreme
Court
took
away
from
it
a
while
ago.
Thank.
H
You
a
final
comment,
a
good
comment
on
that
song.
We
want
those
signs
to
be
elegant,
and
so,
once
again
there
they're
not
internally
illuminated
they're
externally,
illuminated
only
with
up
lights,
where
the
tenant
names
are,
and
so
we're
envisioning
a
little
offset
channel
letters
that
are
offset
like
a
half
inch
or
an
inch
to
give
it
some
elegance.
You
know
where
the
best
science
that
that
we
can
provide
for
the
project
and
the
city
thank.
C
The
Paul
sign
to
my
eye
I
appreciate
the
first
dial
better
than
the
second,
with
the
points
on
it,
but
I
think
that's
gonna,
be
a
personal
preference
for
anybody.
I
totally
get
the
concept
of
wanting
to
have
three
different
tenants,
be
able
to
be
identified.
I
think
the
frontage
along
Aquos
is
so
long
that
the
number
of
signs
they're
proposing,
certainly
isn't
out
of
context
for
what
you
see
on
chocolate.
C
So
I
just
think
that
we
should
try
to
make
sure
that
we
have
some
sort
of
verbage
in
the
final
that
discusses,
colors
and
and
I
totally
understand
what
David
is
saying
about
corporate
colors
and
issues.
But
if
there
were
a
color
palette
that
was
established
that
could
be
used
throughout
the
project
other
than
for
corporate.
That
might
be
a
good
solution,
so.
C
E
I
I
I
B
D
E
I
think
I
would
recommend
personally
I
would
recommend
approving
it
with
the
three
conditions
that
staff
has
proposed.
I
just
did
see.
Finally,
where
the
office
tenant
sign
was
being
proposed
and
it's
proposed
at
a
maximum
of
120
square
feet
as
opposed
to
60,
which
is
what
staff
is
recommending
and
I
can
fit.
I
think
that
would
make
a
huge
difference.
Although
I
agree
with
number
Tom
that
actually
the
places
you
can
see,
it
are
probably
limited.
E
E
And
I
don't
know
the
pole
sign
some
kind
of
lukewarm
on
both
designs.
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
something
that
somehow
another
pulls
in
more
of
the
flavor
of
the
architecture
of
the
new
building.
I,
don't
think
the
first
one.
Does
it
and
I'm
not
sure
the
second
one?
Does
it
either?
But
you
know
I
it's
going
as
forward
so
I
would
say:
I
would
I
would
go
with
it.
I
agree
that
maybe
the
blade
signs
might
be
more
uniformly
tie-in
to
the
rest
of
the
project.
F
So,
for
the
pole,
sign
number
one
is:
is
the
location
and
the
quantity?
Is
that
something
that
is
compatible
with
with
the
same
program
or
with
with
the
shopping
center
and
then,
as
far
as
the
size
of
the
signs
that
are
on
there
and
there
they're
not
too
large
I
mean
they're
7
1
7
feet
by
18
inches.
Now,
there's
our
2
feet
by
4.
F
So
there
are
certain
sign
programs
that
are
very
defined
and
very
detailed
in
terms
of,
and
these
are
a
lot
of
some
of
our
older
sign
programs
that
have
you
know
very
specific
requirements
in
terms
of
your
letter.
Font
types,
the
color
of
the
font,
some
of
that
has
changed
over
time
because
of
the
Supreme
Court
cases
that
have
essentially
taken
cities
right
to
to
make
those
requirements
and
not
allow
corporate
branding
of
signs.
F
So
you
know
the
director
may
be
able
to
give
us
some
specifics
on
those
court
cases,
but
essentially
what
it
is
is
we
we
can
regulate,
location
and
area,
and
that's
essentially
it.
Although
you
know
we
try
and
get
as
much
as
we
can
in
terms
of
the
design
and
it
really
it
becomes
on
the
applicant.
If
they're
willing
to
accept
that.
B
Let
me
just
go
one
step
further.
We
do
have
the
ability
to
look
at
background
materials
so,
for
example,
the
background
color
that
we
had
talked
about
earlier,
the
red,
green
and
the
blue.
As
you
see
in
the
two
examples,
one
has
the
beige
background
panels.
The
other
one
has
the
colored
background
panels.
Well,
we
can't
get
into
the
color
or
the
font
for
national
tenants.
J
A
J
All
the
the
plan
and
location
I
think
is
is
okay
with
me.
It's
still.
What
I
think
is
is
not.
Are
there
specific
designs
and
kind
of
the
unregulated
background
if
you
well,
that
I
think
it's
going
to
get
a
bit
more
chaotic
with
and
I'm,
just
speaking
about
the
ground
signage
for
now,
if
there's
no
regulation
or
limitation
on
these
colors
of
background
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
guess,
that's
would
seem
like
why
the
initial
proposal
appealed
to
me
more
than
the
second.
J
But
to
me
it's
huge,
it's
extremely
high.
It's
it's
really
well
lit,
and
bright
and
I
just
I
appreciate
that
the
owner
of
the
project
has
some
issue
with
who
he's
leasing,
to
or
even
occupying
those
spaces,
with
out
there
being
signage
available
for
these
toons
I'd
really
like
to
see
it
another
place
for
it.
I
think
I
feel
like
this.
This
project
is
extremely
bright,
with
all
the
glass
and
and
the
indoor
lighting
from
the
interior,
and
it's
just
getting
brighter
and
brighter,
especially
with
the
signage
on
the
eave,
particularly
facing
talk
with
spero.
A
A
D
A
J
You
sure,
because
what
I
read
on
both
page
25
and
23
are
the
words
colored
to
be
determined,
landlords,
discretion
colored
to
be
determined
landlords
discretion,
however,
to
be
determined
landlords
discretion.
Let's
see
that
on
the
background
of
of
those,
and
so
what
I
worry
about
in
that
scenario,
what
that
pole
sign
looks
like
on
the
proposed
version
which
we're
gonna
get
a
red
band,
a
green
black
Brandon.
A
A
A
We're
gonna
take
it
one
more
step,
which
is
the
polls
Hey,
the
polls?
Okay.
So
our
concern
is
the
background
colors,
as
well
as
the
sharp
edges
of
the
geometry
of
the
new
proposed
poll.
I
I
agree
that
the
the
sharp
angles
of
the
new
designed
are
not
really
respecting.
You
know
the
architecture,
if
anything,
it
makes
it
more
cartoonish
or
something
so
I
think
they
are
going
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
think
it.
It
still
needs
to
be
more
in
keeping
with
the
architecture.
A
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
suggestion
is
that
my
issue
with
the
goosenecks
is
that
there
is
no
gooseneck
fixture
whatsoever
in
any
of
the
buildings,
so
if
they
could
be
a
channel
just
like
you
saying
area,
exterior
lighting,
not
internal
lighting,
but
a
flood
flush
lighting
that
comes
from
a
channel.
That's
from
above
it's
one,
less
architectural
feature
that
is
sticking
out
from
this
composition.
A
J
A
A
A
D
I
would
generally
concur
with
all
the
comments
that
are
made.
The
two
I
think
I
think
you're
you're
leading
the
witness
worked
well
the
that
addressed
most
of
the
concerns
that
I
had
jotted
down
the
two
things
that
I'll
I'll,
reiterate
and
agree
with.
Is
the
poll
signage
design,
keeping
in
or
inspired
by
the
architecture?
I
think
that's
where
I
was
looking
at
both
of
them
and
neither
one
of
them
is
think
they're.
D
So
I
want
to
reiterate
that
and
then
also
the
comment
that
was
made
I
think
by
I
John
talking
about
having
the
lighting
on
the
I
understand
the
concern
about
the
large
signage
on
the
third
floor,
Eve
and
having
the
lighting
heaven
off
time
at
night.
I
think
might
help
alleviate
that
I
know
I
used
to
live
across
the
street
in
an
urban
environment,
from
a
parking
structure
that
had
a
Wells
Fargo
signage
on
the
side
of
the
parking
structure
where
each
of
the
letters
was
about
ten
feet
tall
and.
A
A
D
A
Yes,
so
in
this
case,
I
think
we
would
go
with
external
illumination,
so
it's
cohesive
and
then
the
font
color,
that
is
at
the
I'm.
Sorry,
not
whatever
the
font.
If
it
is
black
at
the
monument
sign,
then
it
should
be
black
in
the
a
smaller
monument
sign,
so
that
is
cohesive
and
we're
not
switching
back
and
forth
as
we
go
down
the
street.
That's
what
we're
saying.
A
Yeah
but
I'm
I
I
want
to
see
if
there
is
a
different
I
know,
Sean
expressed
his
concerns,
but
is
there
other
concerns
that
we
have
on
tahquitz
we're
taking
a
while
to
review
this
project,
because
we
all
know
that
this
is
very
important
and
we
all
know
that
it
has
been
a
challenge
from
the
very
beginning.
So
I
want
to
see
if
there
are
other
solutions
that
we
could
perhaps
come
up
with.
A
J
If
you're,
asking
I
think
that
not
lit
at
all
might
be
an
option,
but,
however
I
still
feel
that
it
takes
away
from
the
architecture
on
that
Eve
as
it
did
when
we
there
was
something
proposed
on
the
side.
Buildings
like
like
the
bank
at
the
corner,
and
so
I
still
have
a
difficult
time
with
it.
I
also
don't
I,
don't
know
that
I
want
to
design
it
for
them.
There's
surely
there's
another
option
for
placement
of
marquee
signage
for
flagship
tenna
in
some
other
location.
J
J
To
the
code,
and
so
except
out
of
seven
there's
two
that
or
not
so
I
think
that
I
think
we're
making
quite
a
bit
of
concessions
here
for
that,
and
that's
one
that
I
think
I'm,
not
convinced
that
you
won't
see
it
from
talk.
Wits
I'm,
not
convinced
II,
won't
see
it
from
further
down
the
street
or
further
away
or
somebody
else's
house
around
the
corner,
because
I
think
it's
loud
and
bright
and
really
freaking
tall,
so
I
think
it.
A
A
That
could
be
a
different
consideration
so
that
it's
that
we
get
a
more
complete
picture
of
how
the
monument
signage
would
work
within
the
context.
That's
one
two
is
that
the
background
colors
that
are
being
used
in
the
ground
signage
should
match
the
field
color
of
the
architectural
buildings.
Three
is
that
the
type
of
lighting
in
which
this
case
is
outer
exterior,
Litton,
be
consistent
in
all
the
ground
lighting,
or
is
that
the
color
of
the
font
should
match
consistently
on
the
ground
signage
as
well.
A
I
A
B
B
A
I
B
C
Help
me
if
I
forget
something
cuz,
it
is
confusing.
I
agree
with
the
staff
suggestion
that
there
be
halo
lighting,
so
that
is
gonna
reduce
the
amount
of
light
that
those
upper
signs
produce
I,
think
reducing
the
maximum
area
at
a
60
square
feet
also
reduces
the
amount
of
light
significant
that
those
are
gonna
produce
and
I
think
putting
a
time
limit
on
on
the
upper
third
level.
Lighting
kind
of
is
the
final
piece
that
makes
it
acceptable
to
me.
So
I
would
like
to
move
that.
That's
how
we
approve
these
signs.
Okay,.
A
C
A
B
Do
you
want
me
to
read
those
back
for
you
all
right?
Okay,
so,
in
terms
of
what
has
been
proposed
on
the
monument
signs
number
one,
the
length
of
the
monument
signs
should
be
reduced
by
30%
or
reviewed
by
the
subcommittee
as
you've
just
appended.
That
number
two,
the
background,
colors
of
the
monument
sign,
shall
be
consistent
with
the
field
color
of
the
buildings
number
three,
the
type
of
lighting
for
the
monument
sign
shall
be
consistent.
Number
four,
the
color
of
the
font
on
the
monument
sign,
shall
also
be
consistent
and
number
five.
B
The
pole
signage
should
be
redesigned
to
match
the
architecture
of
the
building
lighting.
For
the
pole,
signage
should
be
integral
to
the
frame
and
not
using
gooseneck
fixtures,
and
then
I
have
an
additional
comment
from
member
McCoy
about
the
color
temperature
on
the
monument
signs
should
be
about
3,000
degrees
Kelvin
instead
of
the
6500
I
believe
that
was
proposed
on
the
blade
signs
number
one
blade
signage
should
be
externally
illuminated
with
no
gooseneck
fixtures,
and
then
the
only
condition
on
the
third
floor
is
just
sorry.
B
B
B
Let's
see
madam
chair,
let's
say
I
believe
this
is
the
item
yeah
we're
going
to
be
playing
musical
committee
members
here.
Unfortunately,
member
McCoy
has
a
business
within
500
feet
of
item
number
three
on
the
agenda,
and
so
he
will
be
recusing
himself
from
this
item
and
we'll
invite
you
back
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
the
discussion.
Thank
you
so.
A
K
You,
madam
chair,
and
it's
certainly
a
sign
program
day
here
at
the
AAC.
This
particular
sign
program
is
a
fairly
straightforward
one
and
I
want
to
just
go
here
to
the
elevation
of
the
building.
This
is
a
building,
that's
been
in
the
city
here
for
several
years,
and
the
sign
program
has
just
come
in.
K
The
building
has
some
challenges
in
terms
of
its
facade
and
the
visibility
of
the
available
spaces,
where
a
sign
might
be
placed.
Everything
and
I
want
to
also
introduce
Sarah
Shands
who's
been
extremely
helpful
in
working
with
staff
on
bringing
this
project
into
conformance
with
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
sign
ordinance.
K
But,
as
you
see
in
this
particular
elevation,
there
are
really
fairly
small
areas
on
this
building
where
main
tenant
signs
are
able
to
be
placed,
it's
basically
been
designed
as
a
four
tenant
building
on
the
first
floor
and
two
or
more
tenants
on
the
second
floor,
there
is
one
major
tenant.
That's
currently
in
the
building,
I
believe
and
Sarah
can
qualify.
K
This
that's
occupying
more
than
one
suite,
but
the
sign
program
is
set
up,
of
course,
over
the
long
term,
so
that
if
this
tenant
were
to
leave
another
smaller
tenants
were
to
come
in
each
one
would
have
a
logical
location
for
the
signage
as
you
go
through.
Your
staff
report.
Excuse
me
you'll
note
that
this
is
in
the
downtown
uptown
area
of
the
city,
and
so
this
is
a
specific
part
of
the
sign
ordinance
that
applies
to
this
part
of
town
and,
as
I
did
mention.
K
K
They
have
second
floor
tenants
who
really
don't
require
tenant
signs
and
they
are
not
really
seeking
tenant
signs.
However,
as
you
were
to
go
to
this
building
and
park
in
the
parking
lot
behind
it-
and
you
come
up
to
that,
Center
paseo
that
you
see
in
the
photo
there
is
a
building
directory
that
does
allow
patrons
of
those
second-floor
tenant
spaces
to
find
their
the
tenant
to
whom
they're
planning
on
going.
So,
in
summary,
the
the
signage
on
this
building
can
be
illuminated
or
not
illuminated.
K
As
you
can
see
on
the
to
section
details
in
the
bottom
part
of
this
page,
there
either
a
quarter
plate
letters
that
are
standing
off
the
surface
of
the
building
by
about
a
half
an
inch
or
they
may
be
flush
mounted.
If
they're
going
to
be
internally
illuminated
they
again,
they
they're
completely
consistent
with
the
sign
ordinance.
They
can
be
a
maximum
of
7
inches
and,
of
course,
these
would
be,
as
you
would
normally
see,
for
downtown.
K
There
probably
be
a
channel
cut
letter,
or
something
like
that,
so
we
were
fairly
pleased
at
the
staff
level
in
working
with
this
applicant.
We
feel
that
it's
a
reasonable
approach
to
a
fairly
challenging
building
to
put
signage
on
the
monument
sign.
As
you
see
here,
allows
for
the
four
tenants
if
it
were
to
be
for
to
have
their
own
spaces.
K
These
are
done
in
as
it
notes
over
there
on
the
left
side,
aluminum
plate
with
acrylic
letters.
So
it's
a
very
subtle
and
relatively
small
sign.
Its
overall
height
is
7
feet
and
it's
about
7
feet
in
width.
This
sign
I,
don't
know
if
I
have
an
image
here.
Yes,
there
we
go
perfect.
This
is
where
the
sign
would
be
placed
and
its
approximate
orientation
on
the
project
site.
K
You
see
there
actually,
between
the
first
two
canopies,
there's
a
sign
existing
for
a
hearing
aid
company
and,
as
is
standard
and
consistent
with
our
practice
at
the
city.
When
we
have
sign
programs
come
in
and
there's
existing
signage
on
the
building,
it's
normally
allowed
to
remain
as
long
as
that
tenant
is
in
that
space.
K
If
that
tenant
were
to
change
its
name
or
require
new
signage,
that's
the
time
at
which
they
would
come
in
with
signage
that
would
have
to
conform
to
the
new
sign
program,
but
we
do
allow
legal
non-conforming
signs
that
were
permitted
to
continue.
That
concludes
my
staff
report.
Is
there
I
mentioned
Sarah's
in
the
audience?
If
you
have
any
other
questions
and
I'm
of
Elwes
there
any
questions
and
we're
recommending
that
you
recommend
approval
to
the
City
Council
on
this
project.
Thank
you.
E
K
Sign
is
basically
one
square
foot
of
sign
area
per
lineal
foot
of
of
tenant
frontage,
which
is
the
standard
for
any
part
of
the
city.
What
will
drive
the
limit
on?
This
is
obviously
the
area
if
they
have
to
put
these
signs.
In
addition,
I
want
to
point
out
to
you
I
believe
it's
on
page
four
of
the
sign
program.
They
also
are
requiring
that
you
know
they're
not
looking
for
a
tenant
to
try
to
smash
a
sign
in
between
these.
K
The
canopies,
so
they've
actually
required
in
their
own
parameters
to
let
to
make
sure
that
those
signs
are
set
off
from
any
edge
of
those
signage
areas
by
six
inches.
So
you're
not
going
to
see
this,
this
smashing
of
signs
trying
to
crowd
them
in
between
the
canopies
they'll
be
open
space
between
the
edge
of
the
canopy,
the
edge
of
the
fascia,
the
edge
of
the
door
columns
and
the
sign
itself.
So.
A
C
D
K
A
Jake
wait:
did
you
have
another
question?
Okay
is.
L
Canyon
copy
and
print
two
for
two
North
Palm
Canyon
Drive,
King,
Springs
doc,.
E
The
monument
sign
this
image
right
here
versus,
what's
on
page
five,
the
dimensions
on
the
monument
sign
are
seven
and
seven
feet.
Three
inches
tall
and
seven
feet
wide,
and
my
concern
was
that
I
thought
that
was
really
overpowering
in
size
for
that
corner
and
being
right
next
to
a
sidewalk,
the
image
you
have
there
I,
don't
think,
really
reflects
the
right
perspective
and
scale
of
the
sign.
So
do
you
have
any?
Can
you
address
that?
Well.
L
It
it
is
to
this
I'm
not
sure
about
the
exact
scale,
but
that's
actually
a
sloped
appeal
yeah,
so
it's
actually
at
the
base
of
the
hill.
So
as
it
goes
up,
it
doesn't
sit
seven
feet
from
the
top
stair
case,
it's
more
Gorge
to
the
ground.
That's
why
it
doesn't
scale
correctly
in
terms
of
how
high
it
is.
What
it
really
is,
because
there's
actually
a
huge
slope
that
it
will
sit
on
towards
the
base
of
the
slope.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
tell
in
the
picture
there.
Okay.
J
Maybe
a
scale
issue
on
the
corner,
signage,
that
unless
those
risers
of
the
steps
are
one
foot
tall
each
which
they're,
probably
not,
that
sign,
looks
a
bit
smaller
the
way
it's
represented
there
then
then,
what's
shown
on
the
drawing
I
do
understand.
However,
the
bulk
of
the
signage
is
six
and
a
half
feet
tall
I
do
one.
You
know
at
14
inch
high
the
aluminum
panels.
If
there's
only
four
of
them
I
think
we
might
be
able
to
reduce
that
signage
a
bit
and
not
lose
too
much
of
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish.
A
A
L
Don't
think
was
the
reason
they
didn't
have
it
it's
like
aluminum
or
it's
not
something
that
they
wanted
to
attach
to.
That
was
one
of
their
biggest
concerns
when
we
created
this
and
to
put
in
the
middle
being
that
they
didn't
like
how
it
would
sit
on
there
and
if
you
once
that
signs
removed,
you
would
have
to
remove
the
whole
canopy.
You
can't
just
take
some
sign
off
and
put
a
new
one
on
there.
You
have
massive
amounts
of
holes
in
it
that
can't
be
repaired
from
what
I
understand.
K
Clarify
that
question
of
it,
because
I
ask
the
same
question
of
the
applicant
as
I
was
working
with
them
on
this,
and
it
is
an
issue
with
the
structural
stability
of
those
canopies
and,
as
he
mentioned
the
fact
that,
after
a
number
of
change
outs,
those
are
going
to
become
pretty
riddled
with
holes.
I
see.
C
Think
that
we
should
talk
about
the
consistency
of
the
signs
and
not
a
proof,
the
capability
for
there
to
be
four
different.
Looking
signs
on
such
a
compact
building,
I
think
to
have
the
consistency
of
a
sign
program
where
they're
all
the
same
type,
at
least
in
physical
size
and
location,
would
make
some
sense.
I
also
agree
with
Shawn
I
think
the
scale
that
looks
like
it's,
maybe
a
4
foot
by
4
foot
and
they're,
asking
us
to
prove
a
7
foot
by
7
foot.
D
E
Yeah
I
have
an
issue
with
the
scale
of
the
monument
sign.
I
have
an
issue
with
the
placement
of
the
sign
on
the
building.
Even
if
we
went
ahead
with
the
four
signs,
the
height
and
location
between
the
canopies
I,
don't
think
really
work
well
with
the
building.
I
think
they
should
be
a
little
lower
if
we're
gonna
go
that
way.
I
agree.
There
should
be
consistency
in
the
type
of
sign.
The
bell
of
it.
E
The
buildings
very
busy
and
adding
more
complication
with
different
types
of
types
of
design
signs
I
think
would
just
make
it
worse.
I
might
ask
a
question
whether
you
could
do
four-blade
signs,
mm-hmm
and
lower
on
one
of
the
columns
or
or
even
do
a
some
sort
of
illuminated
sign.
That's
hanging
down
from
the
little
soffit
above
one
of
the
windows
for
each
tenant.
Maybe
that's
a
better
alternative
to
reduce
some
of
the
clutter
on
the
building.
J
A
D
If
that
is
enough,
and
assuming
the
answer
will
be
no
for
each
of
the
tenants,
I
would
prefer
to
see
something
that
makes
the
building
a
little
less
busy
on
the
front
proposed.
So
I'm
I'm
agreeing
with
the
comments
that
are
made,
maybe
a
blade
sign
that
comes
out
from
between
an
appease
and
hangs
down
to
just
below
that
below
the
canopy,
so
it
can
be
seen
I'd
be
blocked
by
the
canopy
is
really
right.
D
Now,
this
that
perspective
that
we're
looking
at
standing
on
the
sidewalk
and
see
the
signs
that
are
being
proposed
between
the
canopies,
even
as
high
as
they
are.
So
if
we
lowered
them
like
I
forget
who
it
was
somebody
mentioned,
perhaps
lowering
them
I
think
that
problem
would
be
even
worse.
I,
don't
know
that
this
is
the
right
solution
and
I
just
as
I,
just
as
you
called
my
name,
I
was
trying
to
get
a
better
look,
because
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
go
out
there
and
walk
again.
D
K
D
A
A
A
J
K
A
I
think
I
think
within
the
context.
What
we're
struggling
with
is
that,
as
was
mentioned
several
times,
that
it's
a
highly
detailed,
composed
building
facade.
So
in
order
to
add
another
element
to
this,
which
will
be
the
signage,
would
really
eliminate
any
type
of
sort
of
background
plane
that
this
building
very
much
needs
to
have
a
sense
of
harmony.
A
So
that's
why
I
think
we're
all
struggling
of
having
an
additional
ward
edge
on
that
back
wall.
So
by
keeping
it
clean
on
the
monument
signage.
That's
one
option:
the
other
option
is
to
have
blade
signage
or
the
other
signage.
The
other
option
is
to
see
if
a
lower
foreground
signage
could
also
also
be
considered,
but
I
think
mainly
we're
struggling
that
the
proposed
current
design
within
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
business
setting
I
think
it
really
challenges
the
context
of
the
building
itself.
A
It
it's
a
challenge,
but
I
think
it
will
be.
It
would
be
difficult
to
approve
it
the
way
it
is
right
now
because
we're
I'm
going
on
and
on,
but
we're
using
every
single
sort
of
square
footage
and
I
don't
know
can
if
the
top
balustrade
was
ever
considered,
because
it's
more
linear-
and
maybe
it
has
a
little
bit
of
a
spacing
or
pacing
that
you
could
do
with
a
canopy
but
having
it
on
the
side
of
the
canopy
is
just
not.
The
right.
Composition
are.
L
Currently,
right
now,
there's
two
tenants
that
already
occupy
that
space
that
have
signs
on
those
white
spots,
so
that
would
be
grandfathered
in
either
way.
There's
currently
one
on
the
other
side,
that's
a
hair
salon,
that's
been
there
that
occupies
four
of
the
six
spaces
or
eight
spaces,
or
they
actually
have
the
whole
top
and
the
left
side
and
their
signs
already.
Currently
there,
oh,
we
were
only
realistically
looking
at
two
new
signs
there,
as
the
other
two
would
be
grandfathered
in
that
are
currently
on
the
building.
K
And
that
was
member
chair
that
was
part
of
why
we
were.
We
went
through
a
lot
of
different
Massa
nations
on
this,
looking
at
some
type
of
blade
sign
looking
at
something
that
would
be
mounted
on
the
canopies
below
the
canopies
in
front
of
the
windows.
As
you
mentioned,
the
sort
of
hanging
below
the
the
top
of
the
column
line,
maybe
in
front
of
the
windows
as
a
some
type
of
a
Bach
sign,
and
each
one
began
to
clash
with
their
signs
that
they
have
existing
I,
see.
L
There's
not
a
sign
program
place
now,
they're,
just
following
the
signs
that
are
up
there
now
are
currently
what's
allowed
within
the
city
downtown.
So
we
were
trying
to
make
it
uniformed
and
bring
in
the
monument
sign
and
make
one
sign
program,
but
right
now,
I
guess:
if
a
tenant
went
in
there,
they
could
realistically
use
one
of
those
four
options
that
we
recommended
and
only
gave
four
options,
because
that's
what
the
city
allows
in
downtown's
Palm
Springs
is
one
of
those
four
different
types
of
signs.
L
A
A
K
E
You
know
I
I,
think
maybe
that's
a
good
location
to
put
something.
Maybe
many
monument
signs,
two
of
them
one
for
two.
You
know
as
you're.
Looking
at
the
elevation,
you
could
do
one
on
either
side
of
the
stairs
on
the
left
and
one
on
either
sides
of
the
stairs
on
the
right,
and
it
would
identify
two
potential
tenants
and
the
reality
is
Palm.
Canyon
is
one
direction.
People
are
gonna
and
it's
not
that
big
nobody's
ever
going
to
see
the
signs
up.
High
mm-hmm.
A
C
That
was
gonna,
be
my
exact
subtest
UHN
I
think
those
plants
that
exist
on
either
side
of
the
stairs
could
make
a
great
base
for
a
smaller
monument
sign.
Not
do
the
monument
sign.
That's
in
that
has
all
four
buildings,
but
just
have
either
four
smaller
ones
or
two
signs
of
to
each
the
building
doesn't
need
anything
I'll
put
on
it
and.
A
K
J
I
was
looking
for
the
letter
lettering
sizes
or
the
10
foot
for
the
faucet
about
it
now
so
14
inch
high
by
5
foot
see
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
ken
that
those
are
4
or
5
feet,
deep.
Those
those
pilasters
supporting
the
railings
I
think
they're
closer
to
42
inches
deep
and
not,
and
maybe
22
inches
wide,
so
I.
If
we're
proposing
that
this
type
of
no.
A
J
A
A
Direct
can
so
I
think
right
now
we're
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
architecture
that
exists
and
there
seems
to
be
a
recommendation
or
a
direction
to
work
with
what
is
there
existing
and
to
compose
it
better
with
the
sort
of
the
landscape,
plinth,
stare,
composition,
that's
a
complete
different
design.
If
we
make
those
recommendations
it
would,
it
would
be
a
denial
of
this
project
with
those
recommendations
for
a
recent
mineral
you.
K
Would
be
recommending
a
revise
and
resubmit
correct
and
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
the
notion
would
be
that,
assuming
that
you
had
four
tenants,
for
example
on
the
Flint's
that
we're
looking
at
here,
the
the
monument
sign
would
be
one
single
box
with
some
type
of
a
appropriate
divider
between
the
two
phases,
so
that
you're
not
dealing
with
multiple
boxes
or
elements
on
top
of
these
Flint's.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay,
that's
clear.
J
J
H
A
A
D
So
did
we
have
a
motion
that
was
actually.
A
D
A
D
A
K
A
A
D
A
K
You,
madam
chair
I,
think
all
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
spring
shopping
center.
This
sign
program
was
initially
approved
by
the
City
Council.
Shortly
after
the
approval
of
the
project.
It's
gone
through
several
amendments.
As
you
can
see,
on
pages
2
&
3
of
your
staff
report.
Burlington
has
existing
signs
on
their
building
right
now.
They
have
a
sign
on
the
front.
K
K
The
sub
major
tenant,
which
Burlington
is
a
sub
major
tenant,
the
sign
that
they
have
right
now
in
terms
of
height,
is
the
maximum
allowable
by
the
sign
program
and
as
I've
noted
at
the
bottom
of
page,
six
certainly
signs
and
commercial
centers
of
this
size
could
be,
could
have
signage
up
to
12
feet
in
height.
But,
as
we've
identified
in
the
staff
report,
it
doesn't
seem
that
sign
or
letter
height
is
really
what's
going
to
crack
this
nut
on
this
particular
problem.
K
That
is
not
on
a
major
thoroughfare
or,
as
you
see,
of
the
sub
majors
that
are
next
to
Home
Depot,
which
is
like
Bed,
Bath
and
Beyond,
and
the
other
tenants,
along
that
particular
line
of
stores
I've
also
identified
in
your
staff
report.
Sorry
I'll
get
this
on
the
screen
for
you
bear
with
me
a
second
please.
Well,
maybe
she
doesn't
have
this
loaded
for
me.
K
Okay
in
your
staff
report,
there's
a
there's,
a
sitemap
and
I've
shown
with
arrows
the
vehicular
entries
into
this
Center
and
I've
shown
with
stars
where
there
are
existing
monument
signs.
Burlington
is
on
two
of
these
monument
signs,
I
believe
and
I've
discussed
briefly
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
challenge
with
these
monument
signs
and
the
landscaping
that's
starting
to
compete
with
it.
K
C
D
D
K
Signage,
this
is
the
sign
ordinance.
The
basic
sign
ordinance,
if
you
were
just
to
look
at
it
is,
is
going
to
be
based
on
the
sorry,
the
sentence
that
I
put
into
the
staff
report
about
maximum
heights.
So
when
you
start
to
get
into
larger
and
larger
shopping
centers,
the
basic
sign
ordinance
allows
a
very
large
signage
in
terms
of
its
height.
But
when
you
look
at
this
particular
signage
relative
to
all
of
the
signage
that's
been
approved
for
the
center,
it
becomes
the
very
the
largest
sign
of
the
holes.
K
If
I
may,
madam
chair,
there
was
a
question
about
understanding
what
is
being
proposed
versus
what
is
existing
and
if
you
compare
the
image,
that's
on
the
screen.
Right
now
with
the
image.
That's
on
page
five
of
your
staff
report
showing
the
West
elevation
of
the
building
I
believe
you
can
begin
to
see
the
difference
in
size
that
they're
proposing.
A
K
K
You
may
have
a
screen
on
these
pylons
or
columns
if
you
will
of
signage
in
which
Burlington's
sign
is
there,
but
you
may
have
another
situation
in
which
perhaps
one
of
the
tenants
has
a
special
that
they
could
actually
modify
the
illuminated
sign.
It's
entirely,
it's
very,
very
flexible,
in
other
words,
we're
not
proposing
one
thing
or
the
other,
we're
simply
thinking
that
wayfinding
might
be
the
way
of
getting
this
particular
tenant,
a
better
ability
to
be
found.
Okay,.
M
M
We
have
4,700
plus
square
feet,
so
that
puts
us
in
a
major
tenant
category,
see
here
so
we're
proposing
to
increase
the
size
of
our
sign
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
paperwork
that
you
have
we're
also
proposing
to
nest
the
tag
line
up
into
the
Burlington,
which
lowers
the
overall
square
footage.
We
have
sort
of
a
unique
situation
here
and
I
find
this
often
because
I
work
with
Burlington
a
lot
is
the
fact
that
we
are
confined
by
the
uses
of
our
the
usage
of
our
registered
and
trademark
logo.
M
So,
with
the
exception
of
the
minor,
the
lower
descending
G
and
also
the
ascending
accent
element
our
logo,
the
heart,
the
bulk
of
our
signage,
is
actually
within
the
35
inch
range
here.
So
if
you
compare
the
proposed
application
to
say,
block
letters,
for
instance,
Ross
is
in
that
shopping
center
and
also
Dollar
Tree.
They
get
a
greater
overall
mass
in
their
signage,
which
makes
it
hard
for
Burlington
to
compete
with
them
when
it
comes
to
height
requirements.
So
the
mean
height
of
all
of
our
letters
is
about
40
inches
in
this
entire
sign.
M
We
are
at
agreement
with
the
city
on
the
intent
and
the
instead
ik
or
the
aesthetic
of
the
current
sign
program
that
you
have.
We
want
our
sign
to
look
nice
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
not
overstated
what
we're
proposing
it's
I
think
fits
better
and
congruent
with
the
actual
sign
band
itself.
It's
not
offensive
it's!
So
if
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
if
you
could
just
put
the
site
plan
up
there
for
me,
Burlington
has,
in
this
shopping
center
the
worst
view
from
that
city.
M
The
gene
autry
way
it's
set
back
1120
feet
from
the
street
itself,
so
they're
really
looking
to
do
anything
they
can
to
make
it
competitive
with
the
other
tenants
in
the
shopping
center.
He
also
stated
that
we're
bumping
up
our
letter,
our
logo
from
48
inches
to
7,
feet
or
inches,
which
isn't
accurate.
The
40/40
are
the
48
inches
is
actually
measuring
the
heart
logo.
M
It's
a
letter
height
maximum,
so
we're
only
going
up
from
48
inches
to
66
inches,
which
is
4
feet
to
five
foot:
six,
not
seven
feet,
four
inches,
that's
the
overall
height
of
the
entire
sign,
including
the
tagline,
which
it's
actually
the
sign
criteria.
It
speaks
to
the
letter
height
and
not
the
sign
height,
so
you'll
see
that
in
the
shopping
center
as
well,
a
lot
of
people
have
tag
lines
that
aren't
included
in
that
48
inch
maximum.
M
So
we'd
like
to
propose
adding
a
stipulation
to
the
sign
criteria
stating
the
following:
the
height
shall
be
determined
as
a
measurement
of
the
tenant
letter,
logo
or
logo
box
height,
ascending
accent
element
and
our
lowercase
descenders
may
be
excluded
from
determining
the
overall
height
of
the
tenants
display
with
the
landlord's
approval.
The
tenant
may
display
its
trademark
logo
without
letters
and
exceed
the
display
height
restrictions.
M
So
as
long
as
the
bulk
of
the
display
is
within
the
48
inch
height
requirement,
so
we
want
to
amend
the
sign
criteria
for
precisely
the
concern
that
we
have
sort
of
a
weird
flaw
in
a
weird
logo.
It
doesn't
comply
with
those
block
letters
standards
that
we
often
see
where
these
tenants
sort
of
get
more
visibility
than
Burlington
would
simply
because
its
logo,
its
font,
is
different.
G
G
Okay,
you
go
back
to
the
elevation.
This
sign
was
actually
designed
for
the
size
of
the
elevation,
it's
more
congruent.
If
you
look
at
Bed
Bath,
&,
Beyond
and
Ross
Dress
for
Less,
it's
more
aesthetically
equal
to
them,
I
mean
with
the
background
to
the
letters
you
get,
the
60/40
rule
of
readability
and
what
have
you.
M
E
E
M
E
A
So
that
I
just
want
to
make
a
clarification
on
page
five
or
seven
of
the
report
that
ken
has
prepared.
It
shows
a
photograph
of
the
burning
to
an
existing
main
wall
sign
on
the
top
of
the
page
and
what
they
are
proposing.
Is
that
rendering
there
that
you
see
with
the
62
foot
long
and
then
the
six
foot,
some
I,
think
you
said
six
foot
eight
now
seven
foot.
A
G
C
M
D
G
M
G
Sorry,
actually,
they
will
will
dim
down,
because
right
now
you
get
that
whole
background.
That's
white
and
in
the
letters
are
black
and
they
the
letters
on
the
existing
sign
do
not
illuminate
because
they're
black
the
new
sign.
They
are
black
letters
but
they're
that
new
Ella
new
vinyl,
where
it
just
lets
a
little
bit
of
light
through
so
at
night,
you'll
get
like
a
gray
color
out
of
it.
It'll
be
a
white,
but
it'll
be
a
dimmer
wire
right.
M
G
D
D
A
A
K
D
A
A
B
Have
in
our
bylaws
for
the
AAC
that
we
select
a
new
chair
and
co-chair
typically
at
the
beginning
of
the
fiscal
year,
so
usually
the
last
meeting
in
June.
We
should
be
doing
that
unless
we
haven't
appointed
new
members
yet
and
then
sometimes
we
delay
those
decisions.
But
we
do
that
as
part
of
the
schedule
of
the
meeting,
so
that
we
take
nominations
in
the
meeting
itself
and
vote
on
the
nominations
there.
B
A
reminder
to
all
of
our
committee
members
that
if
you
are
going
to
be
absent
for
a
meeting,
if
you
could,
let
us
know
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that
we
can
invite
either
Sheila
or
Stephen
to
attend.
They
need
a
couple
days
notice
on
being
able
to
be
here
at
the
meeting.
So
we
just
appreciate
that
I
think.