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Yep,
all
in
favor
anyone
opposed
excellent.
Ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
audience,
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
Preservation
Board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
board.
Although
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
There
will
be
three
minutes
assigned
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing.
A
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Name
is
Jeffrey
Bernstein
I'm,
the
owner
of
destination
PSP
at
170,
North,
Palm
Canyon
at
the
Town
and
Country.
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
my
comments
again.
I
previously
noted
our
full
support
for
the
painting,
minor
repairs
and
ultimate
restoration
of
the
Town
&
Country
we've
been
pushing
for
this
for
a
very
long
time,
so
we're
very
happy
about
it,
but
I
also
expressed
our
concerns.
The
awning
signage
and
lighting
as
the
impact
our
business.
The
new
awnings
has
proposed
appear
well-designed
inappropriate
to
the
building.
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However,
I
would
ask
that
the
existing
awnings
not
be
removed
into
the
new
ones
or
installed
the
Sun
glare
and
heat
load
for
the
better
part
of
the
day
will
be
impossible
to
manage.
We're
also
very
concerned
that
the
proposed
awning
signage,
which
is
8
inches
high
by
5
feet
long,
is
extremely
limiting
at
the
base
of
the
awning.
This
is
virtually
impossible
for
bidat
pedestrians
to
see
being
overhead
and
equally
difficult
to
see
from
passing
vehicles
or
across
the
street.
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It
may
be
the
blade
signage
or
larger
illuminated
signage
on
the
building
could
become
part
of
an
approved
signage
program,
but
at
this
point
only
the
awning
sign
is
addressed,
and
this
is
considerably
less
than
signage.
That's
even
currently
the
current
code
allows.
My
goal
today
is
to
help
move
the
process
along
and
not
delay
anything
but
ensure
that
it
is
contingent
upon
not
just
an
approved
sign
program,
but
a
sign
program
that
ensures
the
viability
of
a
business
in
the
center
past.
D
Images
of
stores
on
Palm
Canyon,
including
the
Town
&
Country,
include
large
business
signs
and
I
have
images
if
I'm
allowed
to
pass
them
around
while
historical.
This
is
consistent
with
a
very
large
new
signage
in
place
across
businesses
across
the
street,
such
as
Starbucks,
H&M,
Toyota,
Honda,
etc.
The
new
signage
includes
eliminated
building
signage
awning
signage,
as
well
as
blade
signage.
We
believe
new
building
signage
design
for
the
Town
&
Country
can
respect
the
history
of
the
buildings
while
still
supporting
the
businesses
they
serve
without
being
limited
to
the
face
of
the
awning.
D
You
may
also
note
that
historical
images
show
a
large
dimensional
sign
on
a
West
facade
of
the
building
for
the
center
that
could
now
be
adapted
for
resident
businesses.
I
would
also
ask
that
this
exterior
building
lighting
be
considered.
Removal
of
the
non
original
wall
bracket
lights
is
not
an
issue,
however.
At
present
the
Town
&
Country
is
largely
vacant,
and
we
understand
that
it
may
take
time
to
reoccupy.
In
the
meantime,
the
area
to
the
side
and
rear
courtyard
is
dark,
uninviting
and
even
unsafe
at
night.
D
We
would
hope
that
an
appropriate
exterior
lighting
plan
would
be
included
as
part
of
the
restoration
such
as
we
saw
at
the
architecture
and
design
museum
in
order
to
restore
and
reuse
the
center.
It's
a
viable
commercial
entity.
We
hope
the
board
will
recognize
that
the
success
of
the
occupying
businesses
are
dependent
on
more
than
just
an
architecturally
preserved
building
and
an
equally
important
part
of
the
equation.
D
Lastly,
I
want
to
point
out
that
historic
there
was
pedestrian
traffic
throughout
the
town
and
country
center
because
there
were
stores
and
restaurants
in
the
courtyard
there
was
an
attractive
courtyard.
The
access
paths
were
clear.
We
know
it
will
take
several
years
for
the
Town
and
Country
to
be
restored
during
that
period.
The
current
merchants
will
not
have
any
of
those
advantages.
So
once
again
we
rely
on
signage
and
lighting.
Our
goal
again
is
not
to
delay
the
process
or
throw
up
any
obstacles
or
dispute
in
any
way.
D
The
importance
of
restoring
the
county
Country
Center.
Our
goal
is
to
ensure
that
the
current
merchants
survive
and
in
the
building
is
restored
to
one
that
works
for
21st
century
merchants
and
it's
an
attraction
for
our
residents
and
tourists.
It's
a
focus
is
not
on
showing
its
viability
as
a
multi-tenant
commercial
property.
Then
we
run
the
danger
of
it
becoming
vacant
once
again,
so
I
ask
that
if
any
scientists,
lighting
or
awnings
are
removed
without
not
be
removed
without
an
immediate
approved
replacement
in
place,
Thank.
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I
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B
So
I
printed
these
out
for
you,
unfortunately,
there's
only
one
copy
of
each
at
this
time,
but
I've
highlighted
the
important
bits
and
also
a
wonderful
article
from
the
Arizona
Republic
and
February
1962
that
talks
a
little
bit
about
his
life
and
background
and
had
worked
as
an
architect
and
they're
small,
but
that
one
section
of
highlighting
that
will
tell
you
about
how
long
he
lived
in
Palm
Springs
and
had
an
office
here,
which
was
almost
30
years.
Jade.
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Moving
over
to
page
5
of
6
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment:
1
2,
3,
4
5
again,
the
sixth
paragraph
member
Burkett,
suggested
future
discussion
or
study
session
on
proposed
changes
in
the
ordinance
regarding
demolition.
So
this
is
just
to
sort
of
illustrate
and
remind
me
how
long
this
discussion
has
been
taking
place
and
I
think
we're
actually
having
some
further
discussion
about
this
today,
so
coming
full
circle,
so
not
necessarily
an
edit
thing.
The
next
two
next
third
paragraph
down
chair
John's,
asked
further
about
the
public
hearing
policies.
A
Further
into
that
paragraph
again,
no
edit,
here
more
of
a
comment
again,
we
did
discuss
this
demolition
process
and
how
it
is
allowing
certainly
legally
and
within
our
ordinance
folks,
to
to
eliminate
properties
and
by
leaving
the
requisite
amount
of
walls.
So
again,
this
is
from
July
11th
of
2017,
so
it
is
certainly
something
that
we
have
been
talking
about
for
a
while
and
also
page
6
of
6.
A
At
the
very
top
of
that
page
again,
a
comment.
Mr.
Marsh
asked
about
the
racket
club,
wat
class,
1
nominations,
site
visits
would
be
ordered
and
yes,
so
we
have
just
recently
had
our
site
visits
at
the
Racquet
Club
so
again,
just
showing
progression
from
what
our
board
talks
about
you
know
last
summer
and
how
it's
all
coming
to
fruition
now
so
sometimes
it
takes
takes
a
little
longer.
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All
in
favor
aye
anyone
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you
all
right.
Let's
look
at
the
April
10th
minutes.
Last
month's
a
meeting
I
have
quite
a
few
comments
and
a
few
changes
so
I'll
ask
anybody
else
on
the
board
to
if
you've
looked
at
your
minutes,
what
changes
or
edits
you
might
have
found
all
right.
Ken
I
will
go
on.
A
A
Additions
to
the
historic
resource
survey,
we
talked
about
a
particular
church
and
this
church
was
on
Rosa
Parks
Boulevard,
it's
the
Our
Lady
of
Guadalupe
Church,
and
it
was
of
note
because
it
was
designed
by
Howard
Lapham
and
for
most
of
the
board.
We
were
unfamiliar
that
this
had
been
on
Lapham
building
and
can
to
your
credit,
as
you
followed
up
on
that
meeting
with
us,
you
did
send
out
a
great
picture
of
that
church
and
it
is
still
extant
if
you've
not
seen
this
I'm
happy
to
pass
it
around.
A
So
thank
you
for,
following
up
on
that,
a
heretofore
unknown
Howard
Lapham
church
well
included
in
our
historic
resource
survey.
Now
I'd
like
to
also
comment
on
page
three
of
nine
of
the
April
minutes.
It
was
item
4b.
This
is
the
board's
approval
of
the
new
French
bistro
going
in
Tula,
Plaza
and
I'd
like
to
mention
that
I
think
really
the
board
did
an
excellent
job
on
this.
All
board
members
participated
in
this
discussion
and
I
would
remind
the
board
that
we
allowed
the
French
door
installation
on
the
building
to
better
service
the
restaurant.
A
But
we
did
also
condition
that
the
exhaust
fan
be
concealed
in
an
appropriate
architectural
feature
and
that
the
original
doors
to
the
property
be
maintained.
So
I
think
this
was
a
was
awfully
good
work
from
the
from
the
board
and
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
of
that
and
then
moving
over
to
page
six
of
nine
I'd
like
to
just
refresh
everyone's
memory
on
what
the
Board
determined
relative
to
the
item
case.
4C
Marmol,
Ratzinger
applicant
on
behalf
of
grit
development
owner
for
a
certificate
approval
for
the
painting.
The
motion
that
was
accepted.
A
We
approved
the
prep-work
minor
repairs,
patching
and
removal
of
extraneous
surface
conduits
shown
in
the
application
packet
presented.
Today
we
approved
that
the
applicant
prepare
the
painting,
lighting,
awnings
and
sign
program
for
board
consideration
at
the
May
meeting
and
send
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
subcommittee
recommending
that
the
council
require
the
applicant
to
implement
additional
stabilization
work
as
soon
as
possible.
A
So
I
really
just
mentioned
that
and
wanted
to
review
what
our
actions
were
there
because,
of
course,
we're
going
to
see
some
further
of
town
country
center
activity
here
today
and
then
on
page
seven
of
nine,
the
Tennis
Club
historic
district,
the
criteria
for
evaluating
historic
district
applications.
It
was
mentioned
in
there
that
we
include
in
this
discussion
the
historic
ruins
that
are
there
in
the
historic
Tennis,
Club
district
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
some
activity
on
our
agenda
today.
On
that
and
one
other
quick
thing.
A
I'm
sorry
page
9
of
9,
it
is
just
a
correction.
Its
paragraph
1
2
3
4
5
6
member
Burkett,
mentioned
the
board
had
received
an
invitation
from
Michelle,
Ricci
and
I.
Believe
that's
Melissa
Richie.
Thank
so
there's
just
a
simple
correction
there.
So
those
are
all
of
my
comments
on
the
minutes.
I'll
take
a
motion
to
accept
so
ok.
E
G
On
by
be
in
reference
to
the
Steve
McQueen
landscape
revisions
revisions,
it's
so
noted.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
a
highlight
again
that
there
was
to
be
additional
tours
for
the
members
HSP
members
that
did
not
get
the
tour,
the
property
that
maybe
this
should
be
under
board
comments.
But
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure
that
we
don't
slip
and
that
this
that
this
does
get
scheduled
for
those
that
didn't
see
it
and
I.
Also
I
think
we
talked
about
some
review
about
the
destination
of
that
which
probably
would
come
under
staff
board
comments.
B
A
C
A
So
I
think
we
have
our
first
in
a
second
any
other
discussion
on
the
minutes
of
the
April
meeting.
Collin
favor.
Anyone
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Moving
on
to
our
agenda,
we've
just
approved
the
consent,
calendar
and
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
As
I
mentioned.
We
do
not
have
a
public
hearing
this
morning,
so
we
will
move
on
to
unfinished
business
3a.
A
This
is
case
number
3
point
1,
7,
8,
0,
ma
a
HSP
B
number
51,
Marmol
rad
Zenor
applicant
on
behalf
of
grit
Development
LLC
owner
for
a
certificate
of
approval
for
painting
of
the
Town
&
Country
center,
located
at
146
174
North
Palm,
Canyon,
Drive
and
167
through
171
North,
Indian,
Canyon,
Drive,
a
class
1
historic
site
staff
report.
Please.
H
Mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
board,
as
you
recall,
we
discussed
this
item
at
your
agenda
last
month.
At
that
time,
we
approved
the
minor
repairs,
but
we
requested
that
the
additional
items,
the
finalization
on
the
paint,
colors,
awnings,
etc,
come
back
to
you
today
and
so
we're
here
primarily
to
look
at
the
paint
colors
and
the
awnings.
As
I
conclude,
my
comments,
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
additional
steps.
We'll
still
want
to
look
at
again
refreshing
your
memory
on
the
addresses
and
the
different
buildings
that
compose
part
of
the
complex
are
shown
here.
H
On
this
slide,
let
me
go
through
the
paint
colors
one
of
the
issues
in
your
backup
materials
is,
of
course,
our
color
copier
does
not
quite
always
represent
accurately
the
colors,
and
so
the
applicants
have
brought
the
paint
samples
up
here
on
the
wall.
Those
are
identified
by
the
same
numbers
as
we
have
on
the
elevations,
so
pt1
pt2,
PT,
3,
etc,
starting
first
with
the
building
at
152
to
146
Palm
Canyon
again,
this
is
the
Bank
of
America
building
and
the
smaller
tenant
space
immediately
adjacent
to
it.
H
Moving
to
the
next
buildings,
160
156
to
166
and
then
170
to
174,
utilizing
the
same
paint
scheme
on
the
North,
Palm
Canyon
facade.
One
of
the
issues
in
terms
of
my
color
printout
is:
it
doesn't
show
PT
for
paint
color
4,
which
are
the
panels
on
the
upper
story
of
the
building.
They
just
appear
white
in
your
illustrations,
but
in
actuality
those
are
again
PT
4,
which
you
can
see
in
the
sample
there,
and
so
those
will
be
the
colors
of
the
panels
on
the
upper
story
of
the
building.
H
H
I'll
go
up
to
the
screen
here,
so
what
they're
proposing
is
essentially
a
box
awning,
so
the
other
elevation
that
we
just
looked
at
it
appears
flat.
You
don't
really
get
a
sense
of
what
the
awning
is,
but,
as
you
see
the
side
section
here,
you
can
see
that
the
awning
is
about
three
and
a
half
feet
deep
about
three
and
a
half
feet
tall
and
again
it's
a
box
awning,
that's
to
align
directly
with
the
architectural
features
of
the
building.
H
Currently
they
have
sloped
awnings
in
front
of
the
building,
and
so
this
brings
it
more
in
line
with
the
architectural
form.
Looking
at
the
other
building,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
difference
because
of
the
way
that
the
site
slopes
in
terms
of
this
dimension
here
between
the
two
buildings
that
frame
the
paseo.
H
That
goes
back
to
the
courtyard,
so
you'll
notice
here
that
the
awning
is
not
as
tall
on
the
other
one
again
it's
to
match
the
depth
of
this
piece
here,
the
architectural
feature,
and
so
it
will
have
the
same
extension
from
the
face
of
the
building.
But
the
overall
height
of
the
awning
is
going
to
be
less
and
again
that's
to
match
the
architectural
features.
H
On
the
interior
of
the
courtyard
building,
they'll
be
utilizing
paint,
colors,
PT,
7
and
PT
8
and
again
just
going
back.
The
PT
7
is
going
to
be
the
base
color
on
the
face
of
the
building,
with
the
PT
8
color
being
used
on
the
overhangs
on
the
eyebrows
there
and
then
going
to
the
back
building
at
169
North
Indian
Canyon.
This
is
different
than
what
we
had
in
our
illustrations
last
month,
as
you'll
recall
from
last
month.
H
Pt,
5,
PT,
6
and
PT
8
for
the
building
and
then
PT
7
I
believe
is
going
to
be
used
on
the
low
walls
that
you
see
there
at
the
bottom
of
the
illustration
in
front
of
the
building
on
the
Indian
Canyon
frontage
and
then
also,
let's
I,
believe
I
thought
there
was
some
on
the
interior,
but
I
may
be
wrong.
I'll
ask
the
applicant
to
just
go
through
that
in
a
little
bit
greater
detail.
This
is
looking
at
the
interior
of
the
169
North
Indian
Canyon,
here
facing
the
courtyard
again.
H
You
see
the
colors
being
used
on
the
face
of
the
building
and
the
details,
and
so
that
is
what
is
being
proposed
for
that
building
and
then,
as
a
reminder
on
the
EF
Hutton
building,
168
North
Palm
Canyon.
There
is
no
painting
being
done
on
this
building,
except
for
the
removal
of
some
paint
that
you
see
on
the
tiles
on
the
face
of
the
building.
So
restoring
those
back
to
the
way
that
they
should
be
is
what
is
being
proposed
as
part
of
this.
H
So
that
gives
you
the
overall
picture
of
the
paint
again
I'd
like
to
ask
the
applicant
to
go
through
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
terms
of
their
investigative
study
and
the
scrapings
that
they
did
to
come
up
with
these
paint.
Colors
the
awnings
again,
what
is
being
proposed
are
the
Box
awnings
on
the
building,
and
so
we
will
ask
you
to
look
at
those
and
to
make
a
recommendation
on
those
today
as
well.
H
One
of
the
areas
that
I
mentioned
in
my
staff
report,
about
which
I
would
like
some
additional
information,
is
relative
to
the
proposed
sign
program.
They
are
showing
where
the
signage
is
proposed
on
the
building,
so
they
have
illustrated
that
I
would
just
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
if
that
is
going
to
be
the
final
selection
in
terms
of
the
size
and
locations
and
types
of
signs
before
I.
Have
you
take
action
on
that?
What
will
ultimately
be
required
for
the
sign
program?
H
Is
they
will
need
to
submit
a
formal
sign
program
that
would
be
reviewed
by
the
architectural
Advisory
Committee,
but
because
there
is
an
issue
of,
does
the
signage
impact,
the
historic
structure
that
we
need,
the
approval
of
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
before
moving
forward
with
the
sign
program?
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
to
you
was
relative
to
the
conditions
of
approval
that
I
am
proposing
to
you.
H
One
of
the
things
that
you
had
a
concern
about
last
month
was
the
structural
stability
of
the
buildings
in
general
that
you
didn't
want
to
just
see
painting
but
wanted
to
some
issues
relative
to
the
structural
stability
addressed
as
the
condition
was
read
earlier.
As
we
discuss
the
minutes,
the
idea
was
to
forward
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
subcommittee
on
that
issue.
H
On
top
of
the
painting
with
that.
That
concludes
my
comments
to
you.
I
will
point
out
that
you
did
receive
via
email
and
also
hard
copies
of
some
additional
correspondence
that
was
provided
to
you
that
did
not
go
out
in
your
packets,
and
that
is
again
at
your
table
before
you
today.
That
concludes
my
comments.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
applicant
is
here
and
we'll
make
a
presentation
to
you.
H
G
J
H
H
Terms
of
the
colors
being
selected
themselves-
yes,
I
would
say
they're
close
now,
one
of
the
things
that
mr.
kalin
points
out
is
on
the
balcony
of
the
courtyard
face
of
the
building
at
169
that
there's
a
difference
in
terms
of
what
is
being
proposed
and
again,
I
would
like
the
applicant
to
address
that
they've
reviewed
mr.
Kalin's
correspondence,
and
that
would
be
appropriate
for
them
to
address
that
question.
Thank.
A
Else,
Flynn
I
would
just
like
to
acknowledge
that
I
think
putting
this
condition
of
approval
on
here
on
the
stabilization
of
the
building
that
just
wrapped
up
everything
and
all
of
our
concerns
about
dry,
rot
and
all
those
different
things
over.
Thank
you
for
conditioning
it
as
such,
sir.
All
right
having
no
further
questions
of
staff,
we'll
invite
the
applicant
please.
L
Morning,
yes,
my
name
is
Leo
Marmol
with
marmo
red
zener,
in
los
angeles,
I'm
here
as
well
with
kris
Shamli
from
our
office
and
we're
here
representing
great
development
for
this
application.
I
would
like
to
begin
by
just
reminding
the
board
that
we
are
here
to
discuss
the
minor
streetscape
streetscape
improvements
to
the
historic
resource.
L
The
the
intent
of
this
minor
improvement
is
to
simply
tie
us
over
as
we
work
on
a
master
plan
development.
Our
firm
has
been
commissioned
to
work
on
that
master
plan.
We
are
in
the
process
of
doing
that
and
our
intent
is
to
come
back
before
the
board
this
year
to
present
our
master
plan
with
that,
we
will
also
be
requesting
and
going
forward
with
a
negotiation
with
the
city
to
go
into
a
development
agreement
to
fulfill
that
master
plan.
L
The
other
understanding
on
the
streetscape
improvement
is
that
these
minor
improvements
will
deem
us
in
compliance
with
a
vacated
building
ordinance
for
a
minimum
of
24
months.
From
the
time
the
work
is
completed
and
to
also
clarify
that
the
owner
does
not
intend
to
to
lease
any
of
the
spaces
that
are
currently
unoccupied
within
the
various
buildings
and
and
finally
that,
when
these
streetscape
improvements
are
completed,
we
do
intend
to
leave
the
temporary
chain-link
fence,
as
well
as
the
monitoring
that's
currently
in
place.
Those
will
remain
in
place
even
following
these
improvements.
F
F
There
were
approximately
well,
there
were
three
site
visits
conducted
by
dunn-edwards,
niki
McLaughlin
was
I,
think
on
two
of
those
site
visits
with
a
woman
by
the
name
of
Sarah
MacLean
she's,
the
color
marketing
manager
with
Dunn
Edwards,
Dunn
Edwards
volunteered
their
time
and
worked
on
this
pro
bono
to
basically
just
kind
of
support.
The
cause
of
the
restoration
of
the
town
of
Country
Center
Nikki
had
done
a
lot
of
the
legwork
with
them
and
put
us
in
touch
with
this
individual
at
dunn-edwards
and
so
on.
F
The
the
last
site
visit
that
took
place
I
was
actually
present
there.
That
was
about
five
weeks
ago.
I
was
about
a
week
prior
to
the
last
HSP,
be
meeting
we
removed
about
20
samples
from
all
the
various
buildings.
I.
Think,
what's
important
understand
is
the
Town
&
Country.
Obviously,
if
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
it's
multiple
buildings,
there's
multiple
colors
on
in
multiple
color
schemes,
on
each
building.
F
What
we
found
most
interesting
about
the
color
sampling
process
and
comparing
it
to
some
of
the
historic
photos,
actual
historic
color
photos
that
is,
is
that
there
were
some
colors
that
were
appeared
on
different
buildings
as
sort
of
a
unifying
concept,
which
is
understand.
You
know
reasonable
and
kind
of
logical,
and
so
so
we
basically
kind
of
methodically
went
building
by
building
with
an
historic
color
image
that
we
felt
was
probably
the
most
accurate
in
terms
of
going
back
to.
Maybe
what
the
original
paint
color
scheme
was.
F
I
mean
again,
the
period
of
significance
for
the
center
is
seven
years.
It's
1948
to
1955
and
according
to
the
language
of
the
nomination
in
seven
years,
there's
lots
of
different
color
schemes
that
couldn't
happen.
So
we
tried
to
the
best
of
our
ability
to
match
what
we
thought
was
probably
the
again
the
most
original
color
schemes
for
each
of
the
building,
so
we
actually
and
what
the
the
process
that
they
use
is.
F
They
extract
samples
of
material
samples
about
you
know
at
least
the
size
of
a
quarter,
and
they
do
what's
called
a
spectrophotometer
reading.
These
are
actually
samples
of
the
materials
that
were
actually
extracted.
You
actually
have
to
remove
material
so
that
you
can
then
take
it
back
to
the
lab
and
they
put
it
under
a
spectrophotometer
device
and
that
basically
is
a
electronic
device
that
is
hooked
up
to
a
computer
and
reads
the
wavelength,
color
wavelength
of
the
color
90%
of
the
time.
F
F
So,
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
the
colors
that
you
see
here
are
very
accurate
in
terms
of
what
was
there
where
we
took
each
sample
be
basically
in
terms
of
the
methodology
you
want
to
take
samples
that
have
been
in
areas
that
have
been
protected
out
of
UV
areas.
So
we
try
to
find
areas
under
cover
under
the
bottom
of
soffit
soffit
conditions
in
enclosed
areas
where
it
had
been
repainted
potentially
by
there
had
been
exposed
to
UV,
because,
obviously,
over
time,
UV
with
these
very
dark,
saturated
colors
start
to
fade.
F
K
F
Think
when
you
kind
of
get
to
the
point
where
you
have
a
color
and
then
you
scrape
beyond
that,
you
find
whether
is
either
a
white
or
a
great
base
color,
which
is
probably
a
primer
coat.
So
you
just
have
to
keep
going
and
going
with
that
process
until
you
achieve
that
and
again
in
most
cases
where
you
find
protected
areas
more
than
likely,
your
I
mean
if
you're
looking
at
corners,
where
brushes
didn't
really
get
there.
F
So
the
less
layers
you
have
obviously
the
better,
but
if
you
can
see-
and
the
best
way
to
do
this
is
an
example
of
let's
say
the
yellow
fascia
sample.
That
was
the
back.
That
was
a
piece
of
the
plaster
fascia
that
was
removed
from
the
B
of
a
building,
which
you
know
the
which
the
back
color,
which
is
the
yellow
color,
and
there
was
another
color.
You
know
beneath
that
other
than
a
primer
coat.
L
What
is
in
the
conversation
and
exemplified
by
the
letter
received
in
addition
to
our
package
is
that
where
these
colors
occurred
is
still
a
conversation-
and
we
just
have
to
remember
that
we're
talking
about
a
development
that
was
put
in
place
over
decades
and
even
the
period
of
significance
is
identified
as
a
seven-year
duration.
During
those
seven
years
there
were
multiple
color
schemes,
and
so
there
are
multiple
photos
showing
different
color
schemes
and
so
we're
just
simply
trying
to
choose
the
best
photos
of
particular
color
schemes
to
determine
where
these
colors
should
go.
L
We
accept
that
it's
an
open
conversation
and
if
other
members
of
the
board
or
the
foundation
or
the
public,
wish
us
to
consider
placing
these
colors
differently
than
what
we've
currently
schon.
We're
certainly
open
to
that.
But
we
have
confidence,
ease
or
the
right
colors
where
they
should
go.
We've
taken
a
stab
at
that
we're
open
to
other
suggestions
and
ultimately
were
flexible
on
where
these
colors
should
go
in
the
assembly
of
buildings
that
are
out
there.
A
Leo
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
for
coming
back
within
30
days,
especially
with
the
awning
program.
I
think
that
was
certainly
tasked
you
beyond
what
you
had
hoped
to
do
in
such
a
short
period
of
time.
You
know
so
I'm
sorry,
mr.
Bernstein
a
tenant
in
the
building
asked
if
the
removal
of
the
old
awning
could
coincide
with
the
installation
of
the
new
awning
and
will
that
be?
Will
that
be
feasible?
Yes,.
L
Certainly,
as
the
work
plan
develops,
the
goal
will
be
to
do
all
of
this
work
in
a
very
seamless,
ok,
construction
flow.
It's
not
to
say
that
one
day
they'll
be
removed
in
the
next
day
they
will
be
put
up,
but
certainly
in
the
same
construction
sequencing.
The
goal
will
be
to
replace
the
signage
as
quickly
as
possible.
I.
A
Certainly
understand
especially
this
time
of
the
year
with
the
west
facing
Sun
being
what
it
is.
It
would
be
difficult
for
any
of
the
tenants
there
to
go
too
long
without
the
awning
and
then
staff.
We
know
that
the
sign
program
is
going
to
come
back
to
us
later
and
the
sign
program
will
be
on
the
fascia
of
the
awnings.
We.
L
Are
proposing
two
different
locations?
One
is
on
the
fascia
of
the
awning,
the
street
facing
case
of
the
awning.
The
second,
our
blade
sign
on
one
of
the
buildings,
and
the
only
condition
on
the
blade
sign
is
that
we
have
to
maintain
a
minimum
minimum
clearance
under
that
sign
of
cord
for
people
to
walk
on
her
tell
people
yes,.
A
L
Reference
that
was
made
was
specifically
to
the
restoration
plan.
I
do
know
that
in
the
restoration
plan
we
will
look
at
lighting
for
the
entire
site.
With
this
minor
improvement,
we
are
not
looking
at
upgrading
the
lighting.
We
are
simply
removing
non
original
lights
such
a.
However,
with
that
concern
being
brought
up,
we're
certainly
willing
to
look
at
the
current
condition
of
the
lighting
and,
if
we
need
to
add
some
security
lights
or
safety
lights
in
the
courtyard
I'm
sure
the
owner
would
be
more
than
I.
G
L
L
G
L
We
will
do
our
best
to
clean
up
any
abandoned
cables
or
conduits.
There
are
some
conduits
that
are
feeding
temporary,
sir
lights
and
security
cameras
and
such
we
intend
to
leave
those
in
place
and
simply
paint
them
to
match
the
adjacent
wall
surface,
but
we
will
remove
anything,
that's
abandoned
and.
G
Maybe
it's
not
even
removal,
but
it
seems
like
some
that
are
just
like
draping
down
on
the
building
if
they
could
be
put
up
on
the
roof,
if
there's
room
yeah,
is
it
pretty
unsightly
I,
don't
think
this
is
in?
If
there's
anything
you
can
do
about
this
or
not,
but
it's
kind
of
amusing
to
see
the
yellow,
brick
road
going
from
Mel's
place
to
a
certain
location
is.
G
G
And
the
sidewalk
condition
not
to
die,
not
talk
about
resurfacing
or
anything,
but
it's
pretty
bad.
There's
I
was
there
Sunday
and
the
odor
coming
out
of
even
this
area
is
really
rancid,
so
I
would
hope
that
that
would
be
done,
and
my
next
question
is
really
her:
staff
is
Nels
sidewalk
along
the
entry
is
that
in
conformity
as
far
as
the
space
that
they
are
actually
taken,
I.
G
The
I
note
that
you
do
have
plans
to
paint
that
sign.
That's
on
the
side
of
the
building,
bye,
best
destinations,
which
is
great
but
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
other
plans
to
identify
that
what
is
back
there.
That's
the
town
and
country
are
not,
but
it's
really
a
golden
opportunity
to
highlight
basically
where
the
town
and
country,
so
many
people's
just
still
do
not
understand
the
in
town
of
residence.
So
if
there's
any
consideration
can
be
given
to
that,
I
would
ask
that
to
be
considered
as
well.
G
Thank
you
very
much
for
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done
and
what's
gone
into.
The
report
and
also
I
know
that
you've
worked
with
Nicky
and
that
group
and
I
know
the
board
greatly
appreciates
all
that's
gone
into
this,
and
it's
is
kind
of
a
touchy
unusual
project.
Like
that's
90
percent,
accurate
in
your
estimation,
so,
but
we
thank
you
for
the
work
that's
been
done
so
far.
Thank
you.
A
G
A
J
L
Do
not
have
a
timeline
at
this
point.
Our
only
commitment
at
the
moment
is
a
commitment
to
bring
back
to
the
HSP,
be
a
master
plan,
and
that
would
include
the
structural
report
on
the
condition
of
the
buildings
we
had
originally
requested
and
hoped
that
the
timeline
on
the
report
would
actually
be
March
31st
of
next
year,
but
we
do
believe
we
can
produce
the
report
by
January
of
2019
and
so
right
now
there
is
not
a
timeline
for
the
actual
restoration
of
the
buildings,
so.
H
Me
address
that,
if
I
might
based
on
the
structural
report,
will
identify
if
there
are
immediate
needs
that
we
need
to
be
taken
care
of.
We
have
language
in
Chapter,
8.05
of
the
Municipal
Code
relative
to
historic
preservation,
stating
that
there's
a
minimum
standard
that
we
need
to
maintain
class
one
properties.
So
if
there
is
an
issue
where
the
city
would
ask
them
to
address
those
immediately.
B
K
Chair
mr.
Lavoie
I'm
trying
to
think
of
how
to
say
this
that
I
moved
that
we
approved
the
certificate
of
approval
for
the
proposed
paint
colors
with
the
following
conditions.
As
noted
in
the
staff
report,
I
would
also
add
the
emotion
that
the
analysis
provided
by
the
applicant
clearly
indicated
that
these
were
perhaps
the
original
colors
and
not
the
subsequent
colors
of
the
building
Puppets
prime
interpretative
period.
K
A
J
Ask
that,
in
addition,
that
the
motion
include
that
the
colors
that
we
see
in
some
of
the
photographs
be
matched
as
closely
to
the
same
positions
of
the
buildings.
As
we
see
in
the
photos,
you
know
there
was
some
discussion
that
they
weren't
sure
what
colors
went
where
if
we
have
photos
that
document
of
blue
goes
here
and
a
yellow
goes
there.
I
would
hope
that
the
applicant
would
make
certain
that,
when
they
are
painting
that
they
would
come
as
close
to
the
photos
as
possible
to
make
this
look
as
original
as
possible.
K
Actually,
that's
not
the
motion.
The
motion
is
right
is
not,
and
and
and
no
I
don't
accept
that
that
helped
change.
I
was
very
careful
in
that
the
the
applicants
by
their
analysis
have
had
have
proven
to
me.
I
have
your
same
concern
have
proven
to
me
that
the
colors
they
are
proposing
are
where
they
were
originally
on
the
building.
So
the
photographs
and
by
their
presentations
said
that,
yes,
the
building
had
been
painted,
probably
every
two
years,
a
different
color
scheme
and
that
color
scheme
changed.
K
So
you
would
have
to
assume,
then
that
that
the
the
blue
fascia
board
and
the
blue
belly
band
on
the
building
were
probably
a
subsequent
color
and
the
the
the
color
analysis
would
have
indicated
that
I
had
gone
through
that
color
to
the
original
color
and
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
that's
my
motion
is
the
original
color,
as
did
the
analysis
provided.
Okay,.
A
B
A
Opposed
wonderful!
Thank
you.
Everybody.
Thank
you.
Everybody
very
exciting,
very,
very
exciting.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
item
3b
on
the
agenda,
this
is
case
number
three
point:
three,
three:
seven
seven.
This
is
a
certificate
of
approval,
request
by
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
further
revisions
to
the
city
council
chamber,
dais
at
the
Palm
Springs
City
Hall,
a
class-one
Historic
Site,
HSP,
B,
number
33
D
and
of
course
it
is
located
at
3200,
East,
tahquitz
canyon,
way.
C
You
mr.
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
and
as
you
remember
from
a
couple
of
years
ago,
the
board
did
review
the
revisions
to
the
millwork
at
the
city
council,
dais,
based
on
an
earlier
design
created
by
designer
Jeff
jurasky,
and
that
project
was
built
in
the
time
that
the
city
has
been
using
the
council
dais.
We
found
that
there
are
some
shortcomings,
some
quality
issues
of
functional
problems
and
so
they've
begun
to
look
at
this
again
and
the
current
proposal.
C
So
these
are
also
in
your
packets,
but
on
page
7,
the
the
issues
that
are
being
addressed
at
this
time.
Ours
follows
the
front
piece
that
was
put
on
top
of
the
basic
cabinet
or
a
countertop
obstructed
the
view
between
the
members
of
the
council
and
the
audience.
The
angle
of
the
control
panel
and
the
council
millwork
also
reduced
the
amount
of
usable
work
space
behind
that
raised
portion,
the
open
space
for
staff,
seating
between
the
two
rows
of
workstations
and
the
staff
dais
were
found
to
be
too
narrow.
C
C
The
additional
control
cabinet
that
was
necessary
at
the
City
Clerk's
workstation
impinged
on
the
seating
area
for
that
station,
and
there
was
somewhat
of
an
interim
means
of
applying
the
nameplates
with
Velcro
that
was
proven,
has
been
proving
problematic
to
resolve
these
problems
of
vendors
working
with
the
city
on
the
following
revisions.
The
a/v
screens
at
each
workstation
are
being
partially
recessed
into
the
top
of
the
work
surface.
To
reduce
the
overall
height
of
the
millwork.
C
The
space
between
the
a/v
screens
at
each
station
is
being
opened
up
to
create
more
work
space
at
each
workstation
behind
that
panel,
the
two
rows
of
workstations
that
the
staff
dais
are
being
pushed
further
apart
to
provide
more
space
for
the
seating
areas.
The
millwork
is
being
rebuilt
with
the
grain
running
vertically,
rather
than
horizontally,
with
small
chamfered
edges
at
the
edge
where
the
joints
abut.
C
As
you
see
it
today,
sitting
in
the
room
was
a
somewhat
of
a
peak
on
color,
with
a
light
gray
on
the
top
piece
and
what
is
being
proposed,
which
is,
we
believe,
more
consistent
with
the
original
millwork
that
was
in
the
chamber
when
it
was
built
in
the
50s,
is
more
of
a
natural,
clear,
finished,
birch,
plywood
and
then.
Lastly,
as
you
know,
at
the
top
of
page
8,
the
base
board,
which
is
the
toe
kick
area,
if
you
will
was
done
originally
as
I'll
show
you
in
these
drawings.
C
If
I
can
advance
these
quickly
and
I'll
go
back
to
some
of
these
in
just
a
moment
was
done
in
vinyl,
so
there
you
can
kind
of
see
it
across
the
front
of
the
council,
dais
there
and
so
what's
being
proposed.
Now
is
that,
rather
than
that
would
kick
toe
kick
that
we
have
now,
which
is
getting
scuffed
up
badly,
it
would
go
back
to
be
a
vinyl
base,
as
was
the
original.
C
The
analysis
of
the
certificate
of
approval
against
the
guidelines
of
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
are
outlined
on
pages
8,
&
9
of
your
staff
report,
and,
as
we
have
noted,
we
believe
that
this
proposal,
that's
coming
forth
forward
today,
actually
improves
the
overall
architectural
integrity
and
the
historic
integrity
of
the
council,
jeaious
and
chamber
the
pieces
that
we
have
on
the
board
here,
which
councilmember
Roberts
will
explain
further
indicate
the
clear
finish:
birch
plywood,
that's
being
proposed.
There
is
a
question
that
we're
seeking
your
direction
from.
C
In
terms
of
how
these
individual
pieces
of
plywood
about
one
another,
so
the
basic
scheme
is
to
simply
abut
them
with
the
plywood
grain
running
Verta
with
a
slight
45
degree,
chamfer
or
eased
edge.
The
second
approach
would
be
to
separate
them
slightly
using
a
piece
of
plywood
to
create
a
vertical
reveal
that
would
basically
set
off
each
one
of
the
workstations
visually
on
the
front
panel
of
the
dais
millwork.
C
C
So
when
this
thing
was
originally
designed,
as
you
can
see,
these
were
simply
squared
off
these
stairways.
The
stairway
between
this
level
of
this
level
simply
then
would
die
into
it.
So
we're
recommending
that
it
go
back
to
that
way
on
this
newly
proposed
Corrections,
some
housekeeping
things
just
to
provide
a
slot
at
the
bottom
of
the
V
in
the
millwork
desk
top
that
helps
us
to
maintain
those
work,
surfaces
cleanly,
there's
a
seal
that
is
proposed
to
be
mounted
on
there.
C
You
can
see
in
the
original
drawings
there
was
a
seal
against
the
back
wall.
There
you
see
it
in
that
photo
and
in
the
revised
condition
in
the
dais
oops.
If
I
can
get
to
the
correct
location.
Here
beg
your
pardon,
I'm,
sorry
anyways.
It
would
go
immediately
above
the
current
sliding
panels,
if
you
recall,
being
in
the
council
chambers,
there's
a
set
of
sliding
panels,
there's
a
front
piece
above
that.
That's
where
the
that's
where
the
city
seal
would
go
wood
grain
to
be
run
vertically.
C
Inch,
diameter,
eased
or
softened
edges,
not
sharp
edges
and
that's
simply
to
help
avoid
the
edges
being
splintered
and
chipped
and
then,
lastly,
the
shop
drawings
for
fabrication
of
all
millwork
be
submitted
to
the
city
for
approval
prior
to
fabrication.
So
that
completes
our
staff
report.
We
are
recommending
a
certificate
of
approval
for
these
modifications.
We
believe
that
they
do
increase
the
historic
integrity
of
the
space,
as
well
as
improving
immensely
a
lot
of
the
functionality
on
it
and
I'm
gonna
turn
this
mic
over
to
councilmember
Roberts.
I
Good
morning,
first
of
all,
Ken
thank
you
for
an
excellent
report
and
thank
you
for
wearing
such
a
lovely
tie
so
board.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
seeing
this.
So
we
almost
in
as
much
as
we
were
unhappy
with
the
results
of
the
first
rebuild
of
the
Dyess,
we're
kind
of
grateful
to
get
a
second
bite
of
this
Apple,
because
we
recognized
that
in
the
original
designs
they
didn't
take
into
into
account
as
much
as
we
had
hoped,
the
historic
aspects
of
the
Dyess
and
this
historic
aspects
of
the
room.
I
I
So
what
we're
really
asking
today
is
we're
doing,
obviously,
a
full
rebuild
of
the
Dyess
and
by
and
large,
very
similar
to
what's
there
today,
except
for
a
reduction
in
the
height
of
the
Dyess,
because
we
couldn't
see
over
it
and,
as
Ken
pointed
out,
there
were
just
some
other
use
issues
coming
with
the
the
staff
Dyess,
where
it
was
too
shallow,
too
low.
There's
four
mistakes
made
and
definitely
some
aesthetic
mistakes
made.
We
pretty
much
stopped
the
completion
of
the
diocese
when
we
realized
the
company
that
had
been
hired
to
do.
I
I
Literally
at
that
point,
we
brought
in
a
new
draftsman
who,
instead
of
doing
just
some
simple
hand
on
drawings,
we
had
the
entire
room,
or
particularly
the
Dyess
area,
fully
remodeled
in
CAD,
and
we
thought
this
would
be
good
not
only
for
today,
but
in
the
future,
and
so
we
can
pretty
much
see
any
angle
and
the
accuracy
of
these
CAD
drawings
is
is
about
as
accurate
as
you
can
get.
Ken
can
walk
through
pretty
much
any
angle.
I
We
can
do
flyovers
or
any
other
aspect
that
you
want
to
see
of
this
and
zoom
in
on
any
level
that
you
want
to
see.
What
we're
looking
for
today
is
we're
looking
for
your
approval
on
the
minor
changes
that
are
being
made
as
well
as
a
color
change.
We
we
went
back
and
forth
on
whether
we
should
do
this
two-tone
thing
that
had
been
done
not
only
in
the
prior
Dyess
prior
to
rebuild,
but
then
the
rebuild
is
we
realized
that
maybe
the
best
answer
to
that
is
not
to
go
to
two
colors.
I
I
So,
given
that
what
we're
proposing
and
I'll
send
this
around
and
I'll
show
you
this
just
again
a
very
simple
piece
of
birch
plywood,
we're
proposing
that
all
the
furniture,
the
built-in
furniture
be
simply
this
birch
plywood
and
the
one
potential
change
that
we
can
make
that
can
describe
to
you
was
perhaps
adding
a
reveal
to
the
front
of
it.
So
we
wouldn't
have
these
long
expand,
says
of
unbroken
wood,
but
perhaps
do-
and
this
isn't
glued
together,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
hold
it
up
for
you
and
I'll.
I
I
We
thought
it
was
also
probably
the
best
place
to
be
seen
from
all
over
the
room.
You'll
see,
I,
don't
know
if
you
got
these
in
the
drawings,
because
I
didn't
see
the
the
final
agenda
packet
that
you
got
there.
There
were
some
other
locations
proposed.
One
of
them
was
when
you're
facing
the
Dyess
down
to
the
right
on
the
right
side
right
below,
where
the
mayor
would
normally
sit.
I
A
Right,
excellent,
any
questions
have
councilman
Roberts
I
think
this
is
brilliant.
What
a
great
idea,
so
we
were
not
gonna,
put
like
white
tape
across
what
I
think
this
is
very
clever.
I
I
B
M
With
respect
to
the
reveal
I'm.
Not
quite
sure,
I
had
originally
thought
that
the
different
ation
would
be
better
because
whenever
you
but
two
pieces
of
wood,
it's
rarely
done
well
and
it
looks
not
good
and
the
reveal
will
help
to
compensate
for
that.
But
you're
also
going
to
have
this
pattern
going
across
the
front
and
I.
I
I
A
K
I
To
clarify,
though,
I
am
sure
that
what
we're
seeing
are
just
some
raw
samples
that
he
would
do
an
edge
banding
on
the
inside
of
the
wood
as
well,
so
I
think
the
concern.
If
you're
bringing
up
is
this
rough
edge.
He
would
end
banned
that
as
well.
So
you
would
never
see
the
ply.
You
would
actually
see.
I
And
the
same
thing,
the
gap
would
be
actually
the
face,
so
in
other
words,
if
he's,
if
he's
doing
this
in
panels,
he
would
finish
the
sides
before
he
joined
them
in
to
the
reveal
piece
which
again
would
be
a
flat
finished
face.
So
all
you
would
ever
see
is
the
actual
face
of
the
birch
you'd,
never
see
the
plies
that
you're
seeing
in
these
samples
right
here,
the
actual
wood
plies
does
that
make
any
sense
at
all.
Councilman.
K
K
C
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
reason.
I'm
kind
of
smiling
is
because,
as
we
went
through
this
earlier,
the
whole
notion
of
using
a
metal
reveal
was
discussed
and
we
thought
that
the
metal
reveal
would
become
too
obtrusive
visually
and
so
the
notion
of
of
edge
budding
and
with
a
edge
strip
of
solid
water.
At
that
point,
where
the
reveal
wouldn't
be
happen,
if
you
did,
the
reveal
I
seem
to
be
more
cohesive
with
the
original
design,
rather
than
seeing
a
metal
strip
happening.
C
I
Also
clarify
with
respect
to
the
reveal
concept.
If
we
go
in
that
direction,
the
board
doesn't
have
to
be
worried
about
costs.
This
has
already
been
fully
bid,
so
we're
all
pieces
of
wood.
We
wouldn't
see
any
end
pieces
or
we
wouldn't
see
any
pieces
of
plywood
showing
on
anything.
So
that's
that's
already.
Within
the
bid.
The
good
news
is
the
rehabilitation
of
the
or
the
rebuilding
of
the
Dyess
is
within
our
original
budget.
We
won't
be
spending
any
more
to
redo
this
than
what
was
originally
bid
to
do
it.
The
first
time.
J
I
Just
an
aesthetic
option:
that's
all
the
idea
was
when
the
subcommittee
was
examining
and
the
subcommittee
was
myself.
The
mayor
and
Ken
Lyon
was
very
involved
in
that
as
well
and
other
staff
members.
The
idea
was
that
the
the
slab
face
of
that
is
large
and
sort
of
it's
just
sort
of
like
unending
piece
of
wood,
and
we
thought
it
just
might
add
a
little
dimension
and
a
little
character
since
we
were
no
longer
changing
and
there
was
an
opal
mugger
gonna
be
a
color
break
in
the
wood.
J
I,
like
the
less
busy',
because
for
me
it
focuses
on
the
people
rather
than
on
the
lines
in
the
front
and
the
lines
in
the
back
in
the
decor
I
want
people
to
come
to
council
meetings
that
focus
on
you
and
not
look
at
the
beauty
of
the
chamber.
I
want
it
to
be
clean
and
nice,
but
I
want
them
there
for
the
purpose
that
they're
really
there
for.
A
J
A
You
talk,
Todd
you're,
somewhat
very
well-versed,
with
Albert
Ray's
work
and
you're
kind
of
open
to
either
the
reveal
or
the
solid
panel.
You
don't
have
really
a
preference
or
do
you
think
when
we
look
at
the
historic
photographs
and
we
see
it
all
as
one
solid
plane,
I.
M
Would
say
without
the
reveal
would
be
more
historically
accurate,
myself
given,
like
other
other,
like
if
you
look
at
Frey
house
2
and
then,
which
would
probably
be
the
best
example
of
the
use
of
plywood
and
built-in
cabinetry.
My
understanding
recollection
is:
there's
no
reveal
up
there.
It's
just
butted
pieces
of
plywood.
If
anybody
else
recollect.
B
A
M
A
C
If
I
can
use
this
to
kind
of
help,
clarify
that,
if
you
take
the
little
reveal
out
and
you
but
the
pieces
together,
this
is
what
is
okay
gotcha.
This
is,
what's
called
an
eased
edge.
You
just
take
the
sharp
edge
off
it
off.
It's
a
very
small,
almost
1/16,
of
an
inch
chamfer
that
simply
gives
the
two
pieces
of
wood
a
clean
point
at
which
to
about
one
another.
So
that
would
be
the
condition
if
you
were
to
do
it
without
the
reveal.
J
J
B
A
I
Mean
we
have
a,
we
have
an
expert
cabinet
maker
who's
been
hired
to
build
this
who's,
actually
a
furniture
builder
rather
than
a
you
know,
a
room
builder.
Let's
say
our
carpenter,
so
I
suspect
the
details
are
gonna,
be
done
well
either
way,
but
I
would
to
answer
your
question
specifically
Gary
yeah
I
think
it
gives
them
a
little
bit
more
room
for
error.
I
A
So
board
I
think
there
are
two
issues
that
we
kind
of
want
to
make
a
decision
on
and
I
think
several
of
us
have
already
weighed
in
on
the
one
color
the
uniform
color,
as
opposed
to
having
the
two
colors.
So
I
think
we
kind
of
have
consensus
on
that
and
where
are
we
on
either
the
one
solid
piece
of
wood
with
seams
every
four
feet
or
the
reveal
every
four
feet.
A
J
I
What's
being
proposed
is
actually
this,
which
is
about
a
quarter
of
an
inch.
This
is
actually
this
piece
was
sent
to
us
from
the
furniture
maker,
so
that's
probably
most
accurately
accurately
what
it's
going
to
be.
We
can
adjust
it,
but
this
is
what
they're
proposing,
which
is
what
the
subcommittee
liked
as
well.
K
A
A
J
C
B
C
A
You
all
righty,
so
that
includes
that
concludes
our
unfinished
business.
Now
we
will
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
four.
This
is
new
business
and
this
is
item
4a.
This
is
case
number
three
point:
four:
zero:
eight
eight
Clark
pellet
owner
requesting
approval
to
demolish
a
class
three
Historic
Site
located
at
561,
Camino,
Norte,
again,
staff
report.
Please,
yes,.
C
Thank
you
mr.
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report.
This
is
a
request
by
the
homeowner
to
demolish
the
home.
That's
on
the
site
at
561,
camino
norte.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report,
the
county
database
records
the
date
of
construction
is
1944.
However,
from
the
material
in
the
citywide
historic
resources
survey
that
hrg
performed
provided
there
as
a
construction
data
as
early
as
1937,
the
design
of
the
original
home
is
credited
to
the
firm
of
Brewster
and
Benedict.
C
However,
no
direct
association
was
found
in
the
material
that
was
provided
to
staff
that
affirmative
Lee
made
that
tie-in
in
the
your
staff
report.
We
do
note
that
in
the
citywide
historic
resources
survey,
HRG
identified
this
structure
as
potentially
eligible
for
designation
as
a
historic
site
and
the
specific
sheets
that
hrg
prepared
on
this
project
are
in
your
AR
and
the
attachments
to
this
particular
staff
report.
C
A
C
A
lot
more
proficient
at
this
than
I
am,
but
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
here.
So
this
is
an
aerial
of
the
project
site,
the
point
at
which
the
red
dot
there
is
the
home,
and
it
includes
the
tan,
colored
tennis
court
at
the
south
side
of
the
site.
This
is
a
view
from
some
earlier
photos
of
the
back
of
the
site.
This
is
of
the
front
again
of
the
front
areas
where
these
arches
are.
This
was
a
photograph
from
1959
that
the
applicant
included
in
the
submittal
package
of
the
back
of
the
home.
C
So
when
you
look
at
this
site
here,
this
is
what
it
looked
like
in
1959,
which
is
in
part
why
it
seemed
a
little
strange
as
we
were
looking
at
it,
that
this
house
was
truly
a
Spanish,
Colonial,
Revival
or
if
it
may
have
been
originally
designed
and
built
as
a
California
ranch,
and
this
was
the
building
permit.
That
caused
us
I,
guess
the
greatest
degree
of
uncertainty.
What
you
see
there
in
this
permit
from
1966
it
says,
construct
arches
at
porch,
add
porch,
add
raised
roof
over
garage
and
remodel
front.
C
When
we
looked
at
this
and
then
of
the
other
building
permits
that
the
applicant
pulled
forward
from
city
records,
we
began
to
question
whether
or
not
all
of
these
arches
were
something
that
may
have
been
added
sometime
in
the
60s
and
in
your
staff
report.
On
page
2,
I
showed
a
comparative
couple
of
images
of
what
I
would
say
is
sort
of
a
typical
Spanish,
Colonial
Revival,
building
from
the
30s
and
40s.
C
And
what
we're
seeing
here
and
the
the
concern
or
the
doubt
that
we
had
was
that
this
seems
to
be
very
thin
in
its
overall
proportion
of
the
columns
relative
to
the
width
of
the
arches.
That,
combined
with
what
we
were
seeing
in
terms
of
things
having
been
added
through
that
1966
permit
led
the
staff
to
be
uncertain
as
to
whether
we
were
truly
looking
at
a
home
from
the
1930s
and
40s
in
the
Spanish
Colonial
Revival.
C
So
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
demolish
the
building.
As
a
class-3
site,
it
does
have
to
come
before
you
for
approval
of
that
demolition.
The
options
that
you
have
on
this
particular
item
are
either
one
to
take
no
action
and
allow
the
applicant
to
proceed
with
the
demolition
of
the
structure.
The
second
option
that
you
have
is
you
may
impose
a
stay
on
the
demolition
request
that
stay
that
you
can
impose
can
be
a
stay
of
demolition
up
to
120
days
and
what
you
would
do
in
the
purpose
that
you
would
do.
C
So
those
were
the
reasons
why
we
believed
that
we
were
not
necessarily
looking
at
what
we
think
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
it
being
a
Spanish
Colonial
Revival
home.
So
we
are
recommending
that
the
board
take
no
action
and
allow
this
site
to
be
demolished.
The
applicant
and
homeowner
are
in
the
audience
and
would
like
to
further
explain
the
project
to
you
and
I'm
available
to
answer
any
other
questions
you
may
have
thank.
J
C
A
C
F
B
B
What
our
research
uncovered
I
there's
a
lot
of
information
here,
because
we
wanted
to
be
thorough
and
in
understanding
everything
concerning
the
history
of
the
house
and
being
of
this
age.
You
know
there
are
a
number
of
historical
facts
that
you
can
uncover,
but
to
synthesize
that
I
think
for
what
you
would
concern
yourselves
with.
B
So,
even
if
originally
in
the
30s
or
40s,
there
was
a
benedict
house
there.
The
benedict
house
note
just
has
been
completely
consumed
by
these
later
revisions
that
were
made
by
application.
Permit
applications
with
no
known
architects
attached
to
them.
So
to
us.
I
think
the
integrity
question
is
really
the
the
most
persuasive
kind
of
aspect
of
the
conclusion
that
we
drew
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Ok,
questions.
G
Sort
of
like
been
done
here
before
we
had
one,
not
that
long
ago,
with
the
tutor
home
in
Las
Palmas,
so
the
I
just
think
our
board
is
I.
Think
we've
become
very,
very
diligent
and
careful
and
watching
what
happens
with
these
properties
that
have
had
a
lot
of
cosmetic
things
added
to
them,
and
we
certainly
have
plenty
of
examples
in
town
where
that's
happened
for
certain
but
Upton
these
things.
There
are
there's
many
things
that
can
be
reversible,
so
that
has
there
been
any.
Was
there
any
discussion
about
that
in
the
process?
I'll.
B
Take
your
second
question:
first:
okay:
we
did
not
investigate
the
feasibility
of
peeling
away
the
additions
to
reveal
the
original,
and
we
didn't
investigate
that
because
it
wasn't
what
we
were
interested
in.
So
that's
I
really
can't
offer
an
opinion
on
whether
that
could
be
done,
but
it
wouldn't
be
done
by
us,
wouldn't
be
interested
in
that.
To
be
honest
to
the
first
point,
I'm
going
to
go
as
quickly
as
possible
to
Rene
Brown
and
apologize
to
her
if
I.
B
Oh,
if
I
owe
her
an
apology,
because
I
had
three
lovely
conversations
with
her
she's,
amazingly
helpful
and
generous
with
her
time
as
we
are
not
professional
historians
and
did
need
assistance
in
understanding
what
you
know.
A
good
presentation
and
the
thorough
one
would
be,
and
I
asked
her
twice
if
I
could
quote
her
on
what
she
had
said
and-
and
she
said
yes,
but
I
can
certainly
understand
that
she
and
I
could
have
miscommunicated
on
that.
B
And
if
it's
helpful
to
simply
retract
her
statement
and
ask
you
not
consider
it
I,
don't
think
it's
the
most
important
piece
of
information
in
the
data
that
we
provided.
Please
you
know
I'll
apologize
to
her
I'll
apologize
to
you.
If
it
was
inappropriate
it
was.
It
was
certainly
not
intended
to
mislead
in
any
way,
and
please.
A
A
What
I
would
ask
well
welcome,
so
I'd
like
to
say
that
over
the
last
several
years
that
I've
been
on
this
board,
this
board
has
taken
no
action
and
has
allowed
the
demolition
of
a
number
of
properties
that
have
come
to
this
table
without
this
amount
of
documentation,
two
properties
that
I
come
to
mind
are
at
Smoketree
Ranch,
that
an
applicant
came
forward
and
and
presented
some
over
the
table.
Discussion
and
those
properties
were
allowed
to
be
demolished.
In
my
recent
memory,
there
is
also
a
property
in
Old
Las
Palmas.
A
It
was
on
a
corner
property
and
we
allowed
that
to
go
forward
with
its
demolition.
What
I
want
to
a
pine
on
here
is
that
if
these
gentlemen
had
gone
to
the
planning
department
or
to
the
building
department
and
pulled
a
remodel
permit,
they
wouldn't
be
sitting
here
at
the
table.
Today
they
could
have
taken
a
remodel
permit
and
they
could
have
certainly
raised
a
huge
portion
of
the
property
and
allowed
to
stand
just
that
portion
of
the
property
that
allowed
under
the
remodel
ordinance
so
for
them
to
go
through
the
process.
A
To
be
forthright
extremely
honest:
to
do
the
amount
of
work
that
they
have
done
here
to
further
what
their
own
personal
vision
of
the
property
is.
I,
certainly
don't
want
to
impede
or
penalize
them
for
following
the
letter
of
the
law,
doing
what
was
right
to
come
to
this
board
and
ask
us
to
allow
this
demolition,
where
they
do
have
other
avenues
available
to
them.
That
would
have
achieved
90%
of
their
goal
and
not
have
brought
them
to
this
board
this
morning,
so
I
will
be
taking
the
recommended.
A
K
Most
exquisite
Hispanic
buildings
went
on
to
produce
some
very
astounding
modern
homes
at
the
end
of
her
career
there.
They
they
surpass
what
Bill
Cody
did
and
for
our
own
history,
Bill
Cody
started
by
doing
ranch
homes
in
the
Spanish
flavor
and
then
moved
on
to
his
modernist
expression.
So
to
dismiss
their
their
potential
of
the
architect
is
is
not
is
not
correct.
Also
on
the
second
from
the
last
page
stating
that
the
ranch
style
did
not
exemplify
a
particular
period
of
time.
No,
that's
not
correct.
It
did
that.
K
That
was
the
preferred
style
in
Palm
Springs
until
the
war
and
the
fact
that
that
we
were
not
provided
with
us
with
a
with
a
floor
plan
that
that
would
have
indicated
the
original
envelope
of
the
building
and
subsequent
additions
very
clearly.
Instead,
we
were
provided
with
what
they
wanted
to
do.
Well,
sometimes
we
ask
for
that
it
in
in
the
documentation
of
what
was
there.
That's
not
the
floor
plan
to
include
in
what
was
there
and
having
us
understand
the
building
so
I.
This
is
one
of
the
most
flawed
documents.
C
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
I
answered,
remember
Lavoie
question
earlier:
if
there
had
been
a
floor
plan
submitted,
there
was
not
a
floor
plan
submitted,
but
what
I
did
want
to
point
out
in
the
material
provided
by
the
applicant
is
that
there
was
an
aerial
photograph
I'm
looking
through
the
material
now
to
see
if
I
can
find
it.
Oh
so
you're
aware
of
that,
so
there
was
a
there.
Was
a
aerial
photo
that
demarcated
the
portion
of
the
home
that
was
original
and
in
those
portions
which
have
been
added
yes,.
B
A
J
It's
a
beautiful
home
that
has
a
lot
of
historic
value
and
I
think
that,
once
again
we
are
not
giving
this
architect
the
credit
he
deserves.
I
mean
we
don't
know
enough
about
him.
It
reminds
me
of
length,
length,
overlap
them
again
and
and
and
to
take
action
on
what
we
have
here
and
allow
them
to
do
it
because
they've
presented
us.
This
big
book
is
not
something
that
I
can
support.
E
I
also
like
to
chime
in
I
was
particularly
impressed
with
the
Martin
San
Diego
bio,
on
on
the
architect,
who
actually
was
a
dress
person,
but
he
was
very
very
proficient.
He
had
very
well-known
clients,
and
his
jobless
is
very
interesting
in
California
and
in
Arizona,
and
this
house
may
date
to
that.
There
are
the
early
30s
rather
than
the
40s
I
think
we
need
more
documentation
in
terms
of
what
the
actual
date
of
construction
is
and
obviously
was
remodeled
quote-unquote
over
time.
E
Some
of
those
things
can
be
reversed
if
the,
if
you
have
a
good
applicant
to
bring
the
house
back
to
its
original
condition,
I
realize
the
arches
and
the
arc
arcade
have
been
remodeled,
but
those
who
can
be
brought
back
to
existing
conditions
and
the
later
additions
could
also
be
taken
off.
If
need
be.
It's
a
very
unusual
kind
of
wing,
u-shape
land
house
and
with
the
pool
in
the
back-
and
it
looks
like
it-
has
a
potential
for
rehabilitation.
B
G
Like
to
see
and
I
understand,
the
homeowners
are
not
interested
in
doing
this,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
there
be
a
an
attempt
to
peel
back
the
onion
and
go
back
to
what
the
original
was
at
least,
and
then
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
homeowners
cannot
expand.
Obviously,
there's
an
interest
in
expanding
from
5,500
somewhere
feet
to
96
or
something
like
that.
It's
almost
double,
so
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
expansion
can't
take
place.
G
I
understand
this
is
a
valuable
piece
of
property
in
its
location,
but
I
just
think
that
here
is
an
opportunity
again
where
you
you
take.
What
is
the
original
and
you
work
with
that
and
then
the
addition
can
be
beautifully
accomplished.
We've
already
seen
it
being
done
and
I
think
this
has
to
be
the
direction
in
which
the
the
heart
board
goes
with
these.
With
these
properties,
we
we
just
can't
continue
to
lose
the
valuable
properties.
So
that's
my
feelings
about
it.
A
B
G
B
A
So
to
me,
by
not
allowing
this
property
to
be
demolished,
we
are
sending
a
very
clear
message
to
the
general
public:
don't
pull
a
demolition
permit,
pull
a
remodel
permit
instead,
so
I
just
feel
so
strongly
about
that.
I
do
not
want
to
lose
one
more
single
house
in
Palm
Springs
that
we
don't
have
to,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
should
go
above
and
beyond
to
and
I'm,
not
using
the
word
or
improperly
here
penalize
an
applicant
who
owns
a
property
who
has
gone
through
either
flawed
research
or
or
astute
research.
A
To
now
be
told,
no,
you
can't
and
I
just
pause
it
to
myself.
Can
they
leave
here
today
and
go
across
the
hall
and
pull
a
remodel
permit
and
then
tear
this
house
down
next
week
down
to
a
wall?
So
what
did
we
really
accomplish
here?
The
problem
is
not
the
applicant
or
the
project
before
us
today.
The
problem
is
the
what
dick
has
been
carrying
the
water
on
for
a
very
very
long
time,
what
what
our
current
code
for
remodel
permits
allows
and
not
what
the
demo
loved
demolition
permit
allows.
A
I'm,
really
looking
at
the
process
that
we
are
forced
here
today
to
to
evaluate
and
take
the
appropriate
action
on,
and
that
is
to
either
allow
the
demolition
or
put
a
stay
of
demolition
on
it.
Have
the
city
go
through
the
historic
resource
survey
on
the
property?
I?
Just
don't
see
this
house
and
this
process
warranting
that.
So
those
are
the
ends
of
my
comments.
Dick
one
last
statement.
G
G
It
is
continually
in
our
base.
They've
had
three
situations,
I
believe
in
the
last
six
months,
I
have
photographs
that
I
have
with
me
right
now
on
my
phone.
That
just
makes
your
heart
ache
to
see.
What's
left
what
a,
maybe
a
six
foot
section
of
a
wall,
but
it
does
highlight
the
importance
of
being
able
to
being
able
to
get
into
this
recommendation.
So
from
that
standpoint,
just
good
that
this
came
up
and
let's
hope
that
this
will
be
an
impetus
for
us
to
go
forward
and
be
able
to
move
the
process
along.
G
J
C
Homeowner
or
a
property
owner
may
not
legally
proceed
with
construction
or
demolition
work
on
a
property
without
the
appropriate
permits.
So
the
short
answer
is
no.
You
can't
do
that.
People
have
done
it
illegally,
in
which
case
they
usually
get
a
stop-work
order.
If
the
city
discovers
it
in
fines,.
C
The
fines
that
I'm
aware
of
if
the
project
is
discovered
to
have
been
done
without
permits,
it's
double
the
cost
of
the
permit.
So
if
a
permit
for
a
particular
home
might
cost
twenty
two
thousand
dollars
the
fine
would
it
be
imposed
that
would
double
the
cost
of
the
permit
making
it
about.
Forty
four
thousand.
J
H
J
And
demolition,
but
I
also
understand
that,
in
our
role
that
we
can
make
recommendations,
whether
the
City
Council
even
looks
at
it,
that's
up
to
them,
but
I
think
that
if
we
have
a
strong
enough
argument-
and
we
have
good
reasoning
behind
it-
that
our
City
Council
will
take
note
and
consider
they
may
do
nothing
about
it.
But
they
would
take
note
that
we're
interested
and
that's
why
we're
moving
forward-
and
you
know
I
for
me-
I
hope
this
sends
the
message
to
people
that
they
need
to
come
in
front
of
us
and
I
hope.
J
It
sends
a
message
to
the
Planning
Department
to
those
who
are
initially
who
are
giving
out
permits
that
they
need
to
really
look
at
what
their
issue
a
permit
for
that
they
just
can't
issue
a
permit
without
doing
some
research
on
the
property.
If
it
comes
in
and
it's
under
it's
in
the
guidelines
where
it
has
to
go
to
see
us.
C
Well,
the
ordinance
is
rather
clear
on
that
which
does
come
before
the
board,
if
there's
a
demolition
involved,
in
fact
that
them,
the
definition
of
demolition,
is
actually
included
in
the
historic
preservation
ordinance.
So
that
is
the
guidance
and
the
rules,
the
regulations
that
we
do
follow,
but.
A
Well,
then,
certainly,
the
city
has
stopped
measures
in
place
and
fines
in
place
for
the
no
permit
at
all,
but
under
our
current
guidelines,
a
remodel
permit,
which
is
what
has
allowed
these
several
properties
that
we
are
aware
of
to
be
demolished
down
to,
and
it
truly
is
a
demolition
they're
allowing
the
chimney
they're
allowing
the
the
wall
and
so
again,
I.
Just
can't
stress
enough
and
and
IIIi
want
to
stop
talking.
I
really
do,
but
I
really
feel
like
at
the
conclusion
of
this
meeting,
depending
on
how
it
goes.
A
C
Chair
I
would
like
to
just
clarify
on
your
point:
if
the
board
places
a
stay
of
course,
then
everything
is
halted.
They
can't
do
anything
with
this
property.
You
saw
that
happen
with
the
home
on
sons.
That
way
several
months
ago
in
which
the
board
place
to
stay
thinking,
the
neighborhood
was
going
to
submit
a
historic
district
nomination.
It
never
happened.
The
applicant
eventually
withdrew
their
request
to
demolish
and
were
allowed
to
then
proceed,
but
your
stay
really
freezes
any
capital
improvements.
C
A
Clarification,
and
so
then
I
would
just
go
back
to
whatever
the
date
was
that
this
project
was
submitted
to
the
city,
that
these
gentlemen
came
forward
and
pulled
a
demolition
permit
on
that
date
in
time
had,
instead
of
a
demolition
permit,
had
they
pulled
a
remodel
permit.
We
would
not
be
sitting
at
this
table
today
with
this
discussion.
Correct,
Thank,
You.
Mr.
K
A
A
M
Shortly
rectify
that
so
I
certainly
appreciate
all
the
chairs
comments
and
and
I
personally
feel
we
are
faced
with
two
separate
issues:
we're
faced
with
this
immediate
decision
before
us
and
I
think
we're
faced
with
the
more
bigger
picture,
long
term,
urgent
issue
of
how
do
we
deal
with
or
when?
When
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
deal
with
the
remodel,
/
partial
demo
issue?
M
With
respect
to
people
can
literally
significantly
demolish
a
house,
and
those
actions
do
not
come
be
for
us,
and
here
we
are
five
months
after
the
demolition
of
the
John
Porter
Clark
house,
and
we
have
no
action
yet
so
that
to
me
is
frustrating
I'm,
and
let
me
finish
so
I
understand
the
urgency
and
I
feel
that
urgency
and
I
really
want
something
to
happen,
because
we
are
still
losing
houses.
That
message
aside,
I
agree
that
this
application
has
way
too
many
questions
in
it.
M
For
me
to
allow
the
demolition
to
go
forward,
I
am
absolutely
more
inclined
to
want
to
stay
this,
so
we
can
investigate
this
property
more
and
understand
this
property
more
and
with
respect
to
the
examples
that
came
up
the
one
on
sunset
that
we
also
issued
a
stay
on,
that
property
has
now
been
mostly
significantly
restored
back
to
where
it
was,
and
so
where
we
would
have
lost
that
property.
Have
we
allowed
that
demolition
to
go
through?
We
now
have
a
restored
significant
example
of
a
more
appropriate
style
of
architecture
in
that
neighborhood.
M
K
K
B
H
A
Board
will
go
on
to
that
completes
our
new
business
that
was
item
4a,
and
we
are
on
to
our
discussions
5a
dick
a
wrap
up,
please
on
the
2018
national
preservation
month,
symposium,
okay,
well
before
I
turn
it
over
to
him.
There
were
certainly
was
a
subcommittee,
Dan
and
Vincent.
You
were
on
the
subcommittee
for
the
HSP
B
event,
but
I
think
we'll
all
agree
that
dick
is
the
machinery
he's.
A
G
I
have
to
expend
my
thank
yous
to
so
many
people.
You
realize
I
counted
up
this
morning.
There
were
59
people
involved
with
putting
on
this
event
59
and
of
that
59.
Of
course,
the
staff
was
remarkable
and
both
Ken
and
Flynn,
but
also
David
Newell
I,
really
deserves
a
huge
thank
you
that's
best
for
certain
and
also
the
board,
but
everybody
pitched
in
and
helped,
and
that's,
what's
so
great
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
did
have.
G
E
G
G
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
other
subject
matters
that
we
could
have.
That
would
be
even
a
much
broader
audience
that
we
could
attract,
but
I
think
it's
you
know
our
focus
is
about
education.
The
main
event
certainly
is
an
education
itself.
We
we
try
to
bring
in
a
little
bit
of
lightness
into
that,
because
we're
building
our
audience
and
speaking
of
that,
of
course,
I
lived
with
those
registrants
for
the
last
month,
along
with
David
basis,
though
most
I
was
a
happily
surprised.
G
How
about
you,
I
didn't
know
10%
of
the
people
that
had
registered
for
the
event,
which
is
exactly
what
we
want.
Besides
our
core
group,
it's
it's
getting
out
to
the
residents
to
create
the
awareness,
so
hi
I,
so
appreciate
staff.
Allowing
us
to
do
this.
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
important
event
and
by
the
way,
with
staff
approval,
we
can
have
the
Convention
Center
April,
the
14th
and
2019
and
I
do
have
a
file
started.
A
Of
you
Jake,
you
did
a
great
job
and
I
would
like
to
also
add
that
the
the
event
on
Monday
at
City
Hall
for
the
Realtors
was
really
outstanding
and
Ken
your
presentation
on
class
1
and
Mills
act.
All
of
that
was
that
I
believe
should
be
part
of
our
programming
in
2019.
It
was
short,
it
was
succinct,
it
was
terrific
and
it
is
available
for
anybody
to
access
remind
the
board.
Please
how
we
can
do
then
well.
C
A
J
B
A
C
Chair
this
is
just
very
brief
right
now.
The
Department
of
Public
Works
under
assistant
city
manager,
Marcus,
fuller,
are
working
to
finalize
the
budget
numbers
from
the
contractor.
Who
will
be
the
prime
on
this
project
and
as
soon
as
those
numbers
are
received,
he'll
be
preparing
a
presentation
to
the
City
Council
to
request
funding.
Okay.
C
Think
it's
a
meeting
or
two
off
I
I!
Don't
know!
I
had
spoken
with
Marcus
about
a
week
or
two
ago,
and
he
had
told
me
he
was
waiting
for
the
final
numbers
to
come
in
so
I
believe
that
we're
ready
for
that
number
to
be
plugged
in.
I
think
his
staff
report
is
probably
pretty
much
prepped
and
ready
well.
A
Marcus
was
coming
in
and
out
quite
a
bit
this
morning,
so
I
think
maybe
he
was
probably
waiting
for
this
item
to
come
up
and
maybe
he
was
going
to
add
something
to
it.
But
I'll
certainly
accept
what
you've
told
us
today
as
they
as
the
update
on
that
any
questions
all
right:
excellent
5c,
the
la
plaza
theater
facility
assessment
and
conceptual
redevelopment
plan,
update
subcommittee,
Lavoie,
Burkett
and
Marsh
and.
C
I
listed
this
as
the
subcommittees
item.
I
will
just
give
a
very
brief
intro
that,
as
you
probably
know,
the
City
Council
has
authorized
funding
for
a
comprehensive
facilities
assessment
and
which
would
lead
into
a
master
plan
conceptual
master
plan
for
the
facility
for
its
future
adaptive
reuse
and
roughly
a
week
or
two
ago,
I
met
with
individuals
from
Gensler
associates
in
Robert
Shadle,
who
are
their
associate
associate
consultant
overseeing
the
historic
preservation
aspect
of
it.
C
They
had
electrical
engineers,
Mechanical
Engineers,
plumbing
engineers,
structural
engineers,
architects,
historical
consultants
crawling
all
over
the
building,
and
there
was
about
a
it-
was
about
a
three
hour
time
frame
that
I
was
there,
after
which
I
finally
left,
because
there
were
no
more
questions
coming
of
me,
but
they
were
still
at
the
building.
So
I
know
that
their
work
is
obviously
beginning
and
I
believe
that,
as
preliminary
reports
and
so
on
are
coming
out
from
the
consultant
that
this
city's
City
Council
subcommittee
will
reach
out
to
the
H
SPB
subcommittee
to
bring
in
additional
input.
C
A
Okay,
I
would
just
add,
and
mr.
mayor
still
in
the
audience
mayor,
moon
posted
quite
a
number
of
photos
on
Facebook
of
the
of
that
day,
at
La
Plaza,
with
the
many
people
involved
in
the
assessment
of
the
property,
so
I
felt
almost
a
part
of
it.
It
was.
It
was
well
documented.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
moving
on
5d,
this
is
the
review
of
our
certified
local
government
annual
report
for
a
period
10
160
through
9:30,
17,
Ken
and.
C
This
is
simply
a
matter
of
information
to
file,
there's
no
action
that
I
require
from
you.
I
always
go
around
and
pester
all
of
you
early
in
the
calendar
year
for
the
updates
on
your
participation
and
the
workshops
and
educational
programming
that
you
participate
in.
So
always,
please,
if
you
do
have
workshops,
seminars,
programs,
conferences
of
any
nature
related
to
store
preservation
that
aids
you
and
your
ability
to
do
your
work
on
this
board.
Please
let
me
know
about
those
so
that
I
can
include
them
in
this
annual
report
and
can.
A
All
I
would
add
is
this
is
on
page
4,
where
my
old
email
address
still
exists.
So
if
we
could
correct
that
there
in
that
area
and
then
my
comment
is
on
page
excuse
me
on
page
6,
where
the
Commission
and
staff
names
are
listed
and
the
training
title
and
description,
including
method,
presentation
example,
webinar
workshop
I
think
without
exception.
Everyone
benefits
from
the
lecture
series
in
the
film
series
and
all
of
that
from
modernism
week,
so
how
that
adds
to
our
educational,
our
board,
member
educational
requirement.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
C
A
B
C
C
Grants
are
fairly
limited
in
the
amounts
that
we're
eligible
to
receive
and
they
usually
are
requiring
that
the
city
participated
in
a
matching
way
of
some
kind,
either
via
staff
salaries
and
other
types
of
monetary
contribution.
So
this
is
a
really
big
thing
for
Palm
Springs
to
finally
have
some
staff
resources
to
apply
for
these
kinds
of
grants.
A
C
That
what's
occurring
right
now,
I've
had
some
dialogue
on
email
with
the
director
of
engineering
services.
Tom
Garcia
Tom
is
taking
over
some
of
the
projects
that
Franco
had
who
was
on
his
staff
had
been
overseeing,
and
this
was
among
those.
As
you
know,
the
there
was
a
report
on
the
historic
analysis
of
the
courtyard
by
landscape
architectural
historian,
Stephen
Kalin.
That
report
was
provided
to
this
board.
It
was
provided
to
the
library
board.
C
It
was
provided
to
the
staff
in
the
engineering
department
and
I
believe
that
the
next
steps
that
are
occurring
on
this
is
that
the
engineering
department
will
be
pulling
together.
A
meeting
of
the
subcommittee,
the
H
SPB
Subcommittee
on
the
library,
as
well
as
the
libraries,
a
subcommittee
to
go
over
the
content
and
the
recommendations
of
the
Kalon
report
in
terms
of
the
design
of
that
courtyard.
C
Those
committee
together
will
then
determine
whether
there
will
be
any
further
revisions
made
to
the
proposed
design
for
its
renovation
and
then
that
information
will
be
brought
back
to
the
board
at
a
future
time
in
the
form
of
a
certificate
of
approval.
As
you
may
remember,
this
is
the
last
phase
of
the
well.
Would
Murray
Memorial
Library
restoration,
okay,.
A
D
G
B
B
G
G
M
H
A
G
The
status
of
orchid
tree,
can
you
tell
us
hi
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
got
some
very
quick
reaction
from
the
code
enforcement
found
that
there
were
two
doors
broken
in
torn
down
at
the
site
and
I
reported
to
the
code
enforcement
and
by
the
second
day
they
were
boarded
back
up
again,
so
I
always
really
thought
that
was
very
you
know
you
hear
all
the
bad
stuff
I
want
you
to
hear
some
good
stuff.
Thank
you.
H
H
Those
of
you
who
watch
City,
Council
agendas-
you
may
have
seen
that
they
had
an
item
on
a
sale
council
agenda
recently
relative
to
their
Tod
rebate.
If
I
remember
correctly,
the
City
Council
took
no
action
on
that
request
did
not
feel
comfortable
in
forwarding
that
request
or
approving
that
request,
and
so
the
status
is
that
they
do
have
entitlements
approved
through
November
of
2018.
They
would
need
to
submit
an
extension
of
time
application
should
they
wish
to
continue
with
those
entitlements.
H
G
C
Proposal
was
submitted,
it
was
forwarded
on
to
assistant
city
manager.
Marcus
fuller
I
believe
that
he
was
going
to
take
that
amount
and
incorporate
it
into
the
budget
request
that
was
going
to
be
forwarded
to
the
City
Council
I
know
that
there's
also
been
discussions
some
a
while
ago
about
any
of
the
not
for
Pape
not-for-profits
participating
in
the
cost
of
that,
but
there
been
no
formal
proposals
put
forth
to
the
city
at
this
time.
In.
G
G
That's
the
process,
and
the
last
thing
is
this
was
just
asking
me
the
other
day
and
I
don't
and
I
asked
Gary
and
I
I.
Don't
think
that
we've
had
any
precedent
on
this
yet,
but
as
to
the
board's
position
on
solar
panels
on
historic
properties,
I
don't
think
we've
just
we've
had
that
come
to
us
yet
have
we
and.
K
They
can
be
according
to
current
state
law.
They
cannot
be
prohibited.
You
can
restrict
them
in
some
ways,
but
you
can't
add
to
the
cost
of
them
by
a
certain
dollar
amount,
which
is
pretty
threshold.
Basically,
they
can't
be
prohibited
right,
even
in
historic
districts
on
class.
What
would
be
class?
One
structures
can.
K
You
can
what
we
do
in
Santa
Barbara
is
require
that
they
be
screened
by
architectural
elements
or
on
a
non-primary
facade
which
isn't
always
possible,
and
so
far
what
we
have
done
is
a
new
construction,
where
they
are
required
by
the
current
energy
code
that
that
the
new
buildings
in
historic
district
have
parapets
behind
which
they
can
be
hidden
right.
We.
G
C
That
please,
the
manner
that
Santa
Barbara
manages
the
issue
of
photovoltaic
panel
installations
on
structures
is
similar
to
how
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
does
it
as
well.
He
is
correct
that
the
state
legislation
does
not
allow
the
city
to
prohibit
them,
but
we
do
regulate
the
screening
and
concealment
of
them
to
a
certain
extent.
C
If
there
was
to
be
a
a
solar
photovoltaic
panel
proposal
on
a
historic
structure
in
which
it
would
need
some
kind
of
screening,
it
would
be
likely
that
we
would
bring
that
forward
as
a
certificate
of
approval
to
help
guide
them
and
how
that
screening
would
be
imposed.
But
again,
the
city
cannot
prohibit
the
installation
of
these
panels,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
most
recent
photovoltaic
panel
installation
that
I
have
seen
be
processed
was
actually
on
the
William
Holden
deep-well
residence.
That
was
just
processed
I.
G
A
A
If
you
will
have
been
cleared
up
and
on
the
plaza
again,
I
mentioned
it
in
the
recap
of
the
minutes
from
April,
but
I
really
think
that
this
board
did
an
excellent
job
with
the
new
restaurant
going
into
La
Plaza
to
allow
and
encourage
the
adaptive
reuse
of
that
bungalow,
yet
maintain
what's
important
there
in
the
character
and
Todd,
you
thought
for
the
for
the
doors
and
I'd
been
by
there
recently
and
it
would
have
really
altered
the
character.
Had
those
doors
just
become.
A
C
Also,
an
item
that
you
may
want
to
take
a
look
at
is:
there
was
a
certificate
of
approval
that
the
board
processed
well
over
a
year
ago
now
I
believe
to
convert
an
existing
window
into
a
door
that
was
required
for
exiting
from
a
restaurant.
That
was
a
soon
to
be
opened.
Restaurant
that
restaurant
is
now
opened.
It's
called
I
think
it's
called
Times.
A
C
C
Or
something
like
that
and
I
actually
was
in
there
and
they
serve
great
food.
But
I
also
noticed
that
the
door
that
they
put
in
was
very
much
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
building.
They
realized
an
excellent
another
of
those.
Were
your
involvement
led
to
a
good
solution
in
terms
of
the
adaption
of
an
older
building
to
new
uses
right.
A
J
J
C
C
C
J
J
G
B
J
B
J
G
M
C
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that:
I
have
not
been
involved
with
any
of
the
field.
Inspections
on
that
construction
or
demolition
of
that
project.
So,
in
the
photos
that
member
Kaiser
has
put
forward,
I
didn't
see
them
as
they
came
around,
but
it
sounds
like
Moore
was
demolished
and
what
was
on
their
drawings,
I
I,
don't
know
so.
M
K
H
H
K
K
These
people
are
wonderful,
word,
crafters
and,
and
the
the
end
result
of
all
this
was
we
have
this
document
and
this
document
states
that,
yes,
this
developer
can
build
what
they
want
to
on
this
site.
So
the
importance
then
becomes
because
this
is
all
we're.
Gonna
have
left
some
old
buildings,
pretty
nice
are
going
to
get
torn
down,
and
this
document
is
the
only
thing
we're
gonna
have
left,
and
this
goes
into
the
archive.
K
That's
what
I
was
looking
for
in
this
document
and
that's
why
these
documents
are
so
important
is
because
they
have
to
be
accurate.
They
have
to
be
unbiased
and
they
have
to
be
complete,
otherwise
they're
worthless,
and
that
I
mean
and
that's
why
they
were
important.
And
and
yes,
this
house
will
be
gone
one
way
or
another
it'll
either
burn
tonight
or
they'll,
get
a
remodel,
permit
and
there'll
be
nothing
left,
and
that's
that
happens
when,
when
they
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
significance
or
they've
been
so
compromised.
E
I
would
suggest
his
staff
that
we
all
currently
work
to
craft
some
new
ordinance
language
about
about
those
two
things
I
know
in
San,
Francisco
with
demolition
was
a
huge
issue,
and
for
a
long
time
we
worked
with
the
city
attorney
to
craft
language,
which
said
that
75%
of
existing
walls
shall
remain
in
place.
You
can
remove
25%
of
the
walls
to
do.
E
Is
club,
neighbourhood
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
actual
site
is
an
archaeological
site
that
they're
proposing
to
do
the
project
on
the
I?
Didn't
really
get
to
look
at
all
the
negative
debt
for
that
site,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there
are
archeological
findings
for
that
site
that
might
be
disturbed.
I,
don't
know.
C
Remember,
Marshall
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
review
that
document.
I
forwarded
it
to
you,
it's
it's
part
of
the
standard,
sequin
that
the
city
does
at
a
project
of
this
nature.
This
was
a
particular
site
that
several
board
members
had
identified
early
on
that
it
had
been
discussed
with
the
Tennis
Club
neighborhood
organization
that
this
project
was
coming
forward,
and
so
you
one
of
you
or
two
of
you,
had
identified
on
this
site.
There
had
been
some
stone
ruins
from
early
settlement
on
this
particular
site
and
that
was
forwarded
to
the
city's
sequa
consultant.
C
Source
identified,
it's
one
that
the
board
should
take
a
look
at
that
sequin
document
and
again
it's
a
public
comment
period
that
you
can
offer
comments
back
to
the
city
on
that
document.
Answering
asking
questions
or
making
comments
about.
What's
in
the
content
and
the
evaluation
and
recommend
to
mitigation
measures
therein
and.
H
Then,
just
going
to
step
further
on
that
in
terms
of
mitigation
measures,
if
it's
found
that
the
proposed
project
would
impact
the
historic
resources,
then
that
may
leave
the
Planning
Commission
relative
to
taking
action
on
the
project.
So
again,
it's
a
wonderful
thing
that
you
all
identified
that
there
were
issues
that
needed
to
be
investigated
as
part
of
the
sequel
analysis.
We
appreciate
you
doing
that
and
so
they've
addressed
that
as
part
of
this
sequel
review.
So
again,
thank
you.
All.
A
C
A
H
H
One
of
the
issues
is
that
they
do
need
to
have
a
handyman,
I
guess
to
take
down
the
board's
from
the
building's
themselves,
and
so
he
may
ask
that
all
three
of
you
meet
at
the
same
time
just
so
that
they
can
save
that
expense
in
bringing
someone
to
the
site
to
do
that,
but
all
forward
the
contact
information
to
you
all.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
getting
in
contact
with
him
and
letting
him
know
what
your
availability
is
and
he'll
set
that
out.
H
For
you
second
thing:
we've
talked
a
little
bit
today,
I
think
about
demolition,
and
so
I
had
been
through
my
notes.
I
thought
we
had
appointed
a
demolition
subcommittee
in
emailing
Gary
and
dick.
Apparently
we
did
not
so
I
need
up
to
three
members,
mr.
chair,
to
be
appointed
to
the
demolition
subcommittee.
What
we
will
be
doing
is
I've
got
the
contract
city
attorney.
Mr.
Jim
priest,
who
serves
as
the
contract
attorney
for
the
Planning
Commission
he'll,
be
working
with
the
subcommittee
on
this.
H
In
addition,
the
Planning
Commission
has
appointed
a
subcommittee
on
the
issue
of
demolition
that
they'd
like
to
have
work
with
your
subcommittee
as
well.
Two
topics
that
he'll
be
working
on
number
one
is
the
initial
concern
that
we
had
relative
to
having
an
entitlement
in
place
before
demolition
can
be
approved,
and
then
the
second
issue
will
be
relative
to
the
remodeling
that
we've
discussed
in
great
detail
today.
So
those
will
be
the
two
issues
that
the
subcommittee
will
address
and
any
other
set.
You
may
come
up
that
are
related
to
those
topics,
so,
mr.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
our
subcommittee.
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
lavoy
Hayes
and
Burkett.
So
it's
it's
certainly
and
again
in
reviewing
the
the
minutes
from
the
July
meeting.
It's
you
know
it's
coming
we're
making
progress
on
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
now
for
quite
a
while.
So
would
you
immediately
convene
the
the
committee
subcommittee.
H
B
M
K
G
B
A
A
A
C
Just
briefly,
I
had
a
clarification
in
a
discussion
with
the
city
attorney
on
Mills
Act
agreements.
Until
now,
our
Mills
Act
contracts
have
been
written
only
to
qualified
properties
that
are
defined
as
those
that
are
class
1
historic
sites.
State
legislation
allows
that
a
Mills
that
contract
would
be
qualified
on
any
property
listed
on
state,
local
or
federal
register
of
historic
sites.
The
City
Attorney
clarified
that
that
we
may
process
mill,
Zach
contracts
for
properties
that
are
listed
on
the
state
or
National
Register,
but
not
necessarily
that
are
on
the
city's
class-one
list.
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So
this
is
a
good
piece
of
information
for
those
people
who
have
sites
that
have
been
listed
in
the
National
Register
but
which,
for
example,
are
not
loaded
listed
on
our
listing
of
class
one
sites.
The
France
residents,
for
example,
is
one
of
those.
There
are
several
that
SPF
and
other
organizations
have
been
nominating
for
the
National
Register
and
those
projects
and
properties
have
been
getting
on
the
National
Register,
but
they
have
not
been
designated
as
class
one
historic
sites.