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A
So
it
is
july
20th
and
it
is
5
31
p.m.
This
is
the
palm
springs
sustainability
commission
meeting
and
we
will
start
with
a
little.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
roy
clark
to
get
us
started.
B
Good
evening
everybody
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
july
20th
meeting
of
the
palm
springs
sustainability
commission
before
we
go
any
further
I'd
like
to
announce
the
appointments
of
two
new
owners,
don
barrett
and
randy
evans.
B
You
recall
from
the
meeting
last
month
that
rob
mccann
had
his
last
meeting
on
the
commission
and
following
the
meeting
last
month,
lonnie
miller
resigned.
Tracy.
Would
you
please
do
the
roll
call.
D
E
E
G
A
Torrence
all
right,
so
we
will
let
jake
in
whenever
he
gets
here,
but
I
do
not
see
him
yet.
B
So
I'd
like
to
welcome
the
commissioners
and
the
visitors
and
tim
hartner
harder
who
will
be
making
a
presentation
for
bird
scooters
and
we
should
be
having
rob
mccann,
join
us
shortly
to
continue
the
discussion
on
night
sky.
B
I'd
like
to
now
ask
don
and
randy
if
they
would
speak
for
two
or
three
minutes
about
their
background
and
their
interest
in
sustainability,
our
new
commissioners
don.
Would
you
start.
G
Sure
I'm
locally,
I'm
involved
with
1ps
for
a
long
time.
That's
one
reason
why
you've
never
seen
it
sustainability,
because
it's
been
very
busy
during
this
zoom
era.
I'm
a
health
sociologist.
G
I've
worked
in
health
research
for
many
many
years,
I'm
retired
and
and
my
working
in
health
research
I've
focused
on
how
we
keep
a
healthy
environment
for
people
who
don't
quite
fit
into
the
mainstream
I've
I've
focused
on
the
intersection
of
inequality
and
health,
so
my
interest
in
sustainability,
our
interest
in
all
the
environmental
factors
that
reflect
who
has
access
to
resources
who
can
easily
and
effectively
do
the
sort
of
things
necessary
to
keep
their
environment
healthy
and
those
sorts
of
things.
G
B
D
Yeah
good
evening,
everyone
before
I
start
I
have
to
ask
jim,
are
you
off
macadam.
E
D
Okay,
yeah
so
you're
up
a
little
ways,
so
I'm
a
relatively
new
resident
of
palm
springs
having
come
actually
from
portland.
So
thanks
for
for
sharing
the
view,
jim.
E
D
I
lived
up
up
the
hill
from
there
for
a
while,
so
yeah
my
background.
Probably
the
most
relevant
piece
was.
I
actually
worked
for
the
portland
development
commission,
which
was
the
city's
redevelopment
agency.
It's
now
called
prosper
portland
and
had
a
role
similar
to
patrick.
I
was
a
staff
person
worked
on
a
number
of
projects
throughout
the
city,
both
related
to
economic
development
and
real
estate
development.
D
A
couple
of
things
that
I
was
proud
of
to
participate
in
created
something
called
a
green
features,
grant.
It
was
a
small
grant
program
for
small
businesses
and
some
targeted
neighborhood
districts
to
do
sustainable
improvements.
D
Things
like
solar,
green
roofs,
permeable
pavers,
energy
efficiency
upgrades
and
things
like
that
as
part
of
a
facade
improvement
program
was
also
involved
in
the
national
main
street
trust
and
a
main
street
program
in
portland
for
neighborhoods,
which
we
added
sustainability
kind
of
pillar
to
that
program,
where
neighborhood
business
districts
had
to
apply
to
participate
in
this
and
and
create
sustainability
metrics
that
they
that
they
would
work
towards
as
part
of
their
participation
in
that,
so
I
left
there
in
2012
and
now
I'm
involved
in
healthcare.
D
I
know
I
now
am
a
senior
analyst
with
a
health
insurance
company
but
focused
on
social
determinants
of
health
and
policy
analysis,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
goes
hand
in
hand
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
what
don
was
saying,
kind
of
health
and
wellness
and
and
how
sustainability
and
climate
change
and
a
lot
of
the
topics
that
this
commission
hits
like
pedestrian
safety
and
biking
and
some
of
those.
B
B
I
ask
everybody
to
keep
your
microphones
muted
during
the
meeting
and
then
please
raise
your
hand
to
be
called
to
speak
and
then
unmute
your
microphone
and
if
nobody
seems
to
be
paying
attention,
if
you
raise
your
hand,
because
we
can't
always
see
everybody
at
the
same
time,
then
please
speak
up
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
I'll
turn
over
to
patrick
and
tracy,
and
that
is
the
election
of
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
since
we're
at
the
beginning
of
the
cycle
of
terms
we're
obligated
to
have
an
election
at
this
meeting.
A
Right
thanks
roy,
and
so
I
did
want
to
mention
that
we
did
solicit
nominations
at
the
last
meeting
as
well
as
in
the
interim.
We
did
get
one
nomination
for
chair
and
that
was
for
chair
clark
to
continue
his
tenure
for
the
last
year
of
his
term.
So
I
and
does
anybody,
have
any
other
nominations
for
chair
at
this
time?.
H
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
a
nomination
has
been
made.
It
is
seconded
by
sandra
and
roy
has
accepted
that
nomination
and
we
are
gonna
use
the
super
cool
polling
function
to
do
the
voting,
even
though
we
only
have
one
to
vote
on
so
just
because
we
did
it.
A
So
if
you
guys
want
to
just
click
on
who
you
want
to
vote
for
there.
A
All
right,
so
I
think
that's
everybody.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
clark
is
the
new
chair
for
the
next
year,
so
we
did
not
have
any
nominations
for
vice
chair
and
I
do
realize
that
we
have
a
couple
of
new
people
and
even
really
for
new
people
who
are
relatively
new.
A
So
I
can
either
take
nominations
for
vice
chair
at
this
time,
or
we
can
defer
that
conversation
to
our
september
meeting
after
people
maybe
have
had
a
little
more
orientation
to
what
we're
working
on.
So
any
yes,
greg.
A
Okay,
let's
see
oh
there,
it
is
yes,
okay,
so
david
friedman
nominated
as
vice
chair,
any
other
nominations.
A
All
right,
I
suppose
the
question
to
david.
Do
you
accept
the
nomination.
H
If
there
are
no
other
nominations,
yes,
I
I
would
simply
point
out
that
both
chair
clark
and
I
would
term
out
next
year-
I
I
will
accept
the
nomination,
but
on
the
other
hand,
if
somebody
else
feels
that
they
would
like
to
serve,
I
would
not
not
not
oppose
that.
We
would
end
up
with
two
a
full
new
slate
of
officers
next
term,
so
I
had
not
nominated
myself.
For
that
reason.
That
being
said,
I'm
not
going
to
refuse
the
the
nomination.
A
All
right,
then,
we
will
plan
to
move
forward
with
that
and
we
will
try
to
be
very
inclusive
in
our
management
of
the
group.
I
think
over
the
next
year
to
make
sure
that
others
are
involved.
Who
will
be
here
into
the
future,
so
all
right,
okay,
then
I
think
do
we
have
to
do
I
I
don't
have
a
poll
for
you
david,
I'm
sorry,
so.
A
All
right,
so
I
guess
all
those
in
favor
of
having
david,
be
our
vice
chair,
say:
aye,
raise
your
hand
all
right.
One.
Two
three.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you
appreciate
that
all
right
vote
is
unanimous
and
we
will
move
forward
with
that
slate
for
the
next
year
and
all
right.
So
I
think
that
concludes
our
voting
and
process.
B
Thank
you,
patrick.
The
next
item
in
the
agenda
is
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
It
was
emailed
and
posted
on
thursday
june
10th.
Are
there
any
comments
or
requested
changes
to
the
agenda,
hearing
no
objections
or
comments
or
changes?
The
agenda
is
accepted.
A
So
I
don't
have
too
much
to
add
to
what
was
included
in
the
update
memo,
but
I
did
just
want
to
mention
the
fact
on
the
food
ware
ordinance
front
that
was
finalized
on
july
8th
and
we
are
starting
to
develop
outreach
materials
related
to
that,
and
we
did
have
a
really
good
meeting
today
with
an
a
local
owner
of
several
local
mcdonald's
who's
interested
in
talking
to
us
further
and
working
with
us
to
figure
out
how
they
can
implement
this
ordinance
successfully
and
also
talk
to
us
about
some
of
the
things
that
make
them
unique,
which
may
we
may
have
to
factor
into
some
of
the
implementation.
A
So
that
was
a
really
good
meeting
and
good
conversation.
Nona
watson
also
participated
in
that
meeting
and
she
is
with
the
palm
springs
chamber
of
commerce,
and
one
also
expressed
her
interest
in
being
involved
in
the
roll
out
of
this
as
well.
So
so
I
thought
those
were
great
signs.
You
know
the
the
response
from
local
businesses
was
pretty
quiet,
a
lot
of
it
due
to
covet.
A
I
think,
but
we've
had
a
pretty
good
response,
since
the
ordinance
was
passed
and
a
lot
of
interest
by
a
few
businesses
around
town,
so
so
we're
hopeful
that
that
that
interest
turns
into
action,
so
we're
gonna
be
planning
to
move
forward
with
that.
The
other
piece
of
that
is
that
we
did.
A
We
will
be
issuing
this
week.
I
think
an
rfp
to
hire
a
consultant
to
assist
us
with
the
outreach
and
engagement
of
the
business
community
on
the
food
wear
ordinance
as
well
as
potentially
on
the
organics
front,
so
because
those
things
are
kind
of
related
so
anyway,
so
I
think
that's
about
it
on
the
staff
updates.
A
A
Not
so
we
plan
to
go
out
for
to
bid
for
that,
probably
next
week
or
the
week
after,
and
then
the
part
of
the
construction
request
will
be
for
them
to
eliminate
the
grass.
A
A
G
Know
I'm
I'm
used
to
running
the
meeting,
so
I
forget
how
to
do
things
like
on
mute?
Can
you
turn
on
the
closed
caption?
Oh
sure,
thank
you.
A
A
D
Otherwise,
I
think
we
can.
I
have
a
technical
point.
Can
you
hear
me?
Oh
yeah
is
that
paul
yeah?
It
is
hi,
patrick
during
the
vote,
the
zoom
technical
one,
it's
actually
appearing
for
guests
like
myself,
so
I
got
to
vote
for
roy.
A
B
Okay,
all
right
now
we'll
move
on
to
public
comments.
This
is
time
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter.
Jurisdiction
of
the
commission
commission
values
your
comments,
but
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
on
the
posted
agenda.
B
D
So
now
you
get
to
see
what
I
look
like
when
I
had
hair
it's
so
nice,
seeing
all
these
friends
here.
So
let
me
quickly
get
into
it
and
I'll
and
I'll
do
my
11
minutes
quickly.
I
mean
two
minutes,
paul
henriksen
palm
springs.
I
want
to
speak
briefly
on
old
item
c.
I
think
it's
two
yes,
smoking,
ordinance,
no
surprise
to
any
of
you.
So
palm
springs
should
have
long
ago
become
a
smoke-free
city.
The
efforts
to
do
do
so
have
been
in
the
works
for
many
years.
D
It's
time
to
get
it
done.
There
has
never
been
ever
a
single,
credible
argument
to
even
remotely
justify
smoking
period
full
stop.
There
are
some
studies
falsely
manufactured
studies
that
some
psychiatric
patients
may
require
tobacco
to
treat
their
conditions.
This
is
well-known,
study
bought
and
paid
for
by
the
tobacco
industry
and
obviously
never
peer
reviewed.
It's
bunk
period,
full
stop.
D
D
The
priorities
of
the
very
nature
of
this
commission
is
public
health
and
safety
and
environmental
protection
palm
springs
as
a
smoke-free
city
is
long
long,
long
overdue
period
full
stop.
Let's
get
it
done,
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
baker
for
doing
such
a
great
job,
keeping
this
going.
Thank
you
all
for
listening
thanks
paul.
C
Community
composting
is
an
essential
public
and
public
service
and
essential
public
good,
and
our
community
needs
to
count
on
the
sustainability
commission
to
represent
the
benefits
of
community
composting
to
the
city
council.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
wish
you
all
a
good
vacation
in
august
and
look
forward
to
continuing
our
work
in
september.
B
B
J
Hi
all
thanks
for
taking
the
time
and
happy
to
share
my
screen.
Let
me
just
do
this
real
fast.
B
J
Everyone
can
see
my
screen
yes
great
again,
thanks
for
making
the
time
my
name
is
tim
harder,
I'm
the
director
of
going
partnerships
for
the
u.s
west
region,
I
moved
in
la,
but
I
come
out
to
palm
springs
very
often
with
my
husband
so
know
very
closely
how
you
know
bring
some
sustainability
options
to
palm
springs.
Look
forward
to
shopping
with
you
all
tonight
about
it,
but
what
is
bird?
It's
a
last
mile
stamp
electric
vehicle
sharing
company
dedicated
to
bringing
affordable,
environmentally
friendly
transportation
solutions
communities
everywhere.
J
Just
last
week
we
announced
we're
in
250
cities
and
27
countries
now
around
the
world.
When
I
started
three
years
ago,
we
were
in
four
cities
in
southern
california,
so
it's
quickly
being
adopted.
J
J
So
how
it
works,
use
the
bird
smartphone
app
you
download
an
app
writers
find
the
closest
bird
on
a
map
unlock
it
and
complete
the
safety
tutorial
start.
Their
ride
costs
a
dollar
to
start
and
then
per
minute
fee
and
you're
off.
Our
approach.
J
So
we
would
look
with
a
local
entrepreneur
from
the
community
and
manage
the
fleet
on
the
ground
in
exchange.
They
would
earn
money
on
each
ride.
It's
deep
community
ties
there
would
be
local
people
on
the
ground
managing
the
fleet.
These
would
you
know,
we'd
be
creating
more
jobs,
creating
jobs
immediately
in
palm
springs
economic
opportunity.
J
Obviously
the
industry
leader,
as
I
met
mentioned,
you
know
we
started
the
industry.
We
started
the
microbially
industry
that
was
literally
about
four
three
and
a
half
four
years
ago
and
again
now
we're
you
know,
there's
multiple
companies
now
involved
in
the
space
and
it's
really
taking
off
to
replace
short
car
trips
around
the
world.
Just
for
visibility
about
sixty
percent
of
the
trips
car
trips
in
the
united
states
are
two
miles
or
less
so
just
think
about
that.
A
little
bit
more
local
impact,
63
of
riots
connect
to
a
local
business
percent.
J
Seventy
thousand
dollars
to
average
take
home
marines
from
local
entrepreneurs
partnering
with
bird
and
it's
26
percent,
more
jobs,
accessibility,
so
connecting
local
businesses.
Think
about
this.
You
know
we
stay
a
lot
off
off
the
main
drag
we'll
stay
at
seven
springs,
inning
or
saguaro
hotel
or
the
feed
curve
or
palm
springs
or
whatnot,
and
every
time
we
come
we're
about
a
mile
and
a
half
or
a
mile
or
two
miles
away
from
downtown.
So
we
have
to
take
an
uber
or
a
lift
to
get
downtown.
J
So
just
think
about
all
the
trips
we
could
replace
things
like
going
to.
You
know
small
local
businesses
and
in
palm
springs
we
have
a
sustainable
mobility
and
it's
working.
What
we've
been
saying
for
the
past
three
years?
It's
cities
are
putting
out
their
own
data,
that's
showing
that
we
are
replacing
car
trips.
You
can
see
some
cities
here,
but
anywhere
from
32
to
55
percent
car
trip
replacement
report.
J
You
know
our
independent
city
studies
confirmed
that
42
percent
of
microbially
directly
replaced
a
car
trip
and
again
this
is
all
internal
city
data
coming
out
so
enhancing
car
free
mobility.
You
know
even
diving
deeper,
like
what
are
what
are
the
riders
doing
you
can
see
here.
38
are
replacing
a
car
trip
in
la
40
in
san
diego
on
the
bottom
left
you
can
see
who
uses
bert
to
get
to
work
or
school
35
percent
of
san
francisco
33
in
santa
monica,
so
they
use
different
use
cases.
J
You
can
see
a
survey
here
from
santa
monica
59
of
response
reduced
car
usage
since
starting
to
ride
e-scooters,
57
percent
of
response,
reduced
ride,
held
usage
since
starting
to
ride
e-scooters.
So
imagine
the
reduction
in
uber
and
lift
trips
that
you
would
see
in
palm
springs
safety.
First,
that's
the
big
motto
that
we
have
at
bird.
So
there's
lots
of
messy.
You
know
headlines
of
you
know,
speeder
up
rates
up.
You
know
800
percent
and
ems
emergencies
going
crazy.
J
Well,
these
aren't
really
finding
that
they're
doing
their
own
reports,
they're
doing
their
own
independent
studies
and
they're,
showing
that
you
know
here
in
port.
I
think
someone
mentioned
they're
from
portland
very
popular
in
portland.
You
could
just
have
risked
them
other
parts
of
the
transportation
system.
We
see
it's
very
similar
to
bicyclists.
J
Four
months
of
ems
records
show
less
than
five
e
scooter
internship
per
month.
So
will
it
be
perfect?
No,
but
will
it
be
increasing
safety
with
less
cars
on
the
road?
Yes,
so
we
lead
on
safety,
innovative.
You
know
helmet
selfie
warm-up
mode,
so
you
would
make
it
so
that
basically
we
have
technology
that
you
can
make
it
so
that
if
you're,
if
it's
your
first
ride,
you
would
be
automatically
entered
into
a
warm-up
mode.
Where
maybe
you
can't
go
faster
than
10
miles
per
hour?
J
You
have
to
go
through
a
safe
extra
safety
tutorial.
So
there's
things
like
that
and
then
you
can
graduate
to
regular
mode
where
you
go
up
to
15
miles
per
hour
and
then
there's
no
longer
the
scooters
that
are
on
the
ground.
So
you
know
in
the
early
days
it
was
just
off
the
shelf
scooters
and
they
lasted
maybe
three
to
six
months.
J
We're
now
going
on.
We've
just
announced
our
latest
model,
our
birth,
three
we're
expecting
to
last
four
to
six
years,
and
it's
designed
fully
in-house
now,
with
double
kickstand
and
autonomous
emergency
braking
system
that
literally
the
only
one
in
the
world
in
scooters.
So
I
mean
it's
just
it's
just
much
much
much
safer
than
it
used
to
be
years
ago,
so
it's
just
improved
every
model.
J
Someone
wanted
to
know
about
the
bikes,
so
we
just
announced
that
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago,
so
we
are
moving
into
bikes.
We
don't
want
to
just
be
a
scooter
company.
We
want
to
be
a
marketability
company,
so
we
are
doing
bikes
more
as
well,
but
the
thing
about
bikes
is
they're
very
expensive.
So
you
know
this
would
be
probably
a
both
of
scooters
and
bikes
to
make
it
sustainable.
J
I'm
sure,
patrick
and
others
and
cities
can
talk
about
how
you
know
how
much
it
costs
to
operate,
bike
share
or
bike
systems,
because
it's
just
it's
very
hot
operational
heavy.
But
you
can
see
here,
swappable
batteries,
you
know
extra
bright
tail
lights.
I
know
you
guys
are
talking
about
clear
skies
and
dark
skies.
J
I
know
that's
been
a
conversation
in
palm
springs
a
lot,
so
lots
of
all
this
paints
like
reflecting
the
lightings
there's
lights
everywhere,
all
over
it
just
the
same
as
our
scooters,
so
we're
put
together
with
palm
springs
to
sustainable,
bring
more
sustainability
to
the
city.
You
know
you
can
see
here
collect
data
to
identify
protected
green
lines
and
other
safe
places
to
ride.
So
you
know
really
helping
city
move
away
from
such
car.
J
Heavy
usage,
I'm
encouraging
most
shipped
out
bars
via
pricing,
making
sure
that
it's
much
cheaper
on
average
we're
about
30
to
40
percent
below
uber
and
lift
pricing
probably
be
much
cheaper
in
palm
springs,
knowing
the
cost
of
ubers
and
lyft.
Since
I've
been
out
there
most
recently
making
sustainable
choices
to
keep
the
choice.
J
Basically,
how
do
we
make
it
so
that
it's
convenient
pickup
and
drop-off
locations,
reallocation
and
parking
spaces,
making
sure
they're
available
throughout
the
city
so
that
everyone
uses
them
just
not
just
not
only
in
downtown
but
throughout
the
whole
city
and
then
build
complementary
experiences
of
transit?
How
do
we
integrate
with
sunbusts
or
other
agencies
to
make
it
so
that
people
make
it
really
easy
to
use
them
yeah
and
that's
sort
of
it
together?
J
We're
going
to
shoot
more
liberal
cities,
so
you
can
sort
of
see
the
existing
sort
of
you
know
as
I
drive
down
again
canyon
or
palm
canyon
drive.
What
I
see
is
on
the
top,
but
imagine
what
it
could
look
like
on
the
bottom
with
you
know,
dedicated
green
spaces,
and
you
know,
transit
lines
and
more
people
out
walking
and
stuff
like
that.
You
can
see
here
on
the
bottom
right.
This
just
came
out
recently
allocating
base
on
how
much
a
car
park
sit.
J
Car
parking
sits
there
about
95
of
the
time
how
much
revenue
it
generates
or
how
much
you
know.
Bikes
and
computers
could
generate
how
much
dog
free
dining
generates,
but
I
just
found
that
really
interesting
yeah
thanks
for
your
time
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all.
G
Are
there
any
cities
in
which
you're
doing
no
scooter
zones,
specifically
I'm
thinking
around
hospitals
and
nursing
homes?
I
find
when
I'm
at
the
hospital
in
san
diego,
I'm
often
startled
by
or
almost
run
over
by
the
scooters.
So
it's
just
a
sensitivity
to
how
how
mobile
the
people
around
those
environments
are.
J
Definitely
yep,
so
we
have
a
technology
that
we
actually
created
called
geofencing
and
literally
allows
us
to
basically
use
the
gps
and
make
it
so
that
parking
can't
be
permitted
there
right.
So
I
know
they're
pretty
area
pretty
well
like
I
probably
wouldn't
allow
scooter
parking
to
be
like
on
the
main
drive
like
on
you
know,
on
palm
canyon
or
stuff
like
that.
I'd
probably
make
it
off
the
sides
between
palm
canyon.
Indian
drive
right
like
I
would
I'm
thinking
about.
J
There's
lots
of
areas
of
palm
springs
where
we
want
to
make
it
whether
it's
where
there's
no
parking
allowed
or
there's
no
riding
allowed
or
reduced
speeds,
and
so
we
have
all
that
technology
where
we
could
work
with.
You
know
patrick
and
the
city
team,
to
basically
put
those
geofences
in
place.
We
would
also
learn.
You
know
there
might
be
some
areas
that
hot
spots
that
pop
up
during
the
pilot-
and
we
can
obviously
geofence
those
in
real
time.
So
it
takes
us
less
than
two
hours
at
a
geofence
location.
J
There
is
a
little
bit
you
know,
so
I'm
going
to
talk
to
the
chamber.
Probably,
and
then
you
know
councilmembers
are
directing
me
to
where
to
talk
with.
You
know
I'll,
probably
work
with
patrick
and
the
new
city
manager
as
well.
To
do
a
little
bit
more
outreach.
That's
the
goal
is
we're
supposed
to
do
outreach
during
august
the
next
six
to
eight
weeks
and
then
bring
something
before
council,
so
we
would
do
a
little
bit
of
that.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
perfect
on
day
one
we
would
we
would
learn.
J
A
G
Yep,
okay,
following
up
actually
on
greg's
comments,
I
do
see
I
ride
my
bike.
A
lot
in
palm
springs
and
I
do
see
areas
where
there
is
a
higher
level
of
misbehavior
by
people
and
scooters.
G
Maybe
not
yours,
I
don't
identify
specifically,
but
there
seems
to
be
higher
levels
of
misbehavior,
so
if
it
was
possible
for
there
to
be
a
way
for
people
like
me,
as
a
bike
just
to
say
to
contact
to
bird
and
say
this
area
is
an
area
where
we're
seeing
lots
of
problems
with
scooter
drivers
and
you
need
to
do
something
about
it.
They're
driving
too
fast,
they're,
they're,
not
paying
attention
to
pedestrians
or
something
like
that.
J
J
With
the
shared
scooters,
we
can't
do
anything
with
the
personal
scooters,
just
the
shared
scooters
that
we
would
have
in
the
public
right-of-way.
We
can
control
stuff
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
bad
ride,
rider
experience
where
it's
like
you
know,
I
would
say.
Probably
five
percent
of
people
are
bad
riders
or
don't
use
the
services
correctly
and
we
we
ban
them
or
we
get
like
they
get
reported
on
enough
where
they're
removed
from
the
service
with
the
platform.
G
I
I
liked
your
response
there.
My
only
concerns
two
things.
One
is
there's
a
lot
of
us
who
use
computers
and
not
apps
we're
old
school,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
you
know
when
I'm
on
my
bike.
I
can't
do
anything.
I'm
not
gonna,
stop
and
try
to
take
a
picture
of
someone
on
a
bird
just
to
then
report.
You
report
them
to
you,
so
the
notion
that
maybe
there's
areas
where
there's
more
bad
behavior
that
can
be
enforced.
That
would
be
helpful.
J
Yeah,
so
we
definitely
do
that
so,
for
instance
like
in
san
diego
in
the
gaslamp
quarter,
right
like
there's
lots
of
tourists
down
there
and
they're
riding
around
and
there's
door
riding
going
on,
so
I
was
just
down
there
for
like
a
tour
like
an
infield
audit
and
I
instituted
a
five
mile
per
hour
geo
fence
because
I
personally
saw
stuff
going
on
that.
J
I
wasn't
liking
and
you
know,
and
the
community
the
gaslamp
bid
has
brought
it
up
before,
and
so
I
went
down
there
and
you
know
looked
around
and
we
made,
and
so
we
instituted
changes
based
on
that
feedback
and
seeing
that
stuff.
So
we
do
the
same.
You
know
if
you
go.
If
I
got
an
email
from
you
or
a
call
from
you
know,
we
would
respond
to
those
things
and
look
into
that
and
see
if
it's
a
big
issue
or
see
if
there's
some
other
issue
is
it.
J
E
All
right
so
tim,
I'm
the
one
in
portland.
I
live
in
palm
springs
up
here
temporarily,
but
the
my
question
was
about
the
granularity
of
geo,
fencing
and
there's
it's
the
sidewalk.
Writing!
That's
the
issue
here.
There's
a
lot
of
people
get
going
fast,
but
can
you
have
enough
granularity
to
make
people
ride
fast
in
the
street,
but
not
on
the
sidewalk
or
how
do
you
handle
that
yeah.
J
So
it's
getting
there,
it's
getting
really
close.
The
gps
accuracy
is
much
better.
You
know
the
good
thing
about
palm
springs.
Being
a
little
bit
late
is
like
you'll,
probably
get
the
latest
model,
which
would
be
the
bird
2
or
the
bird
3,
and
the
gps
is
much
more
accurate
again
we
would,
you
know
we
would
just
sort
of
monitor
the
situation
and
obviously,
if
you
know
if
everyone
was
seeing
certain
city
sidewalk
riding,
I
think
we
would
probably
raise
that.
J
E
J
What
was
the
one
the
street
behind?
Was
it
barrio.
J
J
J
Amazing
bike
lane
here
like
I
would
love
the
new
offense.
You
know
the
downterrain
and
work
with
you
know,
patrick
and
others,
to
put
in
some
parking
on
the
side
streets,
so
we
can
get
people
to
downtown
on
the
bike
lane
on
that
street.
That's
not
really
being
that
much
used
by
cars.
Great!
Thank
you.
I
Hi
kim,
I
have
several
questions
starting
back
two
or
three
years
ago,
when
this
was
first
brought
to
the
city.
There
was
a
huge
kerfuffle,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
bird
or
who
it
was
it
just
automatically
dumped
their
scooters
onto
the
city.
Was
that
you,
or
is
that
someone
that.
J
Was
yep
you
guys
were
actually
the
last
city
in
the
world
to
receive
a
rogue
launch.
We
called
it
consumer
launching
to
prove
the
model
worked,
but
it
was
a
that
was
us.
It's
going
on
it'll
be
three
years
in
november.
I
So
at
that
point
that
put
a
very
bad
taste
in
city
council's
mouth,
even
back,
then
the
issues
that
I
still
have
not
heard
be
addressed
were
geofencing,
whether
it
is
designed
for,
as
you
say,
that
last
mile
or
not
because
especially
now,
it's
100
I'm
in
la,
but
I
assume
it's
109
degrees
and
palm
springs
right
now.
I
can't
see
too
many
people
getting
excited
about
jumping
on
the
scooter
going
anywhere
for
prolonged
distance
until
the
fall
or
at
night.
Second,
are
there
lights
on
the
bike?
I
I
didn't
see
any
safety
precautions
also
questions
on
helmets,
whether
they're
necessary.
How
do
you
sanitize
the
helmets
also
on
parking,
even
though
there
are
kickstands
now
that
does
not
prevent
people
from
just
leaving
a
bike,
two
steps
outside
of
a
restaurant
or
a
bar
or
a
rouse
for
that
matter.
So
are
we
focusing
more
on
the
tourism
in
downtown
area?
Are
we
talking
about
the
residents
and
spreading
out
into
south
palm
springs
into
north
palm
springs?
I
J
So
there's
a
few
things
there
so
on
the
helmet
thing,
it's
no
longer
no
longer
required
for
a
helmet
so
that
that's
optional
across
you
know
that
state
law
across
bikes
and
scooters
on
this
on
the
sidewalk
on
the
kickstand.
It's
a
double-pointed
kickstand,
you
know.
Is
it
a
hundred
percent
staying
up?
No,
but
it's
about
98.99
now
where
it
used
to
be
work.
I
J
Would
really
probably
we
would
probably
we
would
start
with
a
free
floating
system
so
that
people
can
so
we
collect
more
data.
So
then
I
would
work
with
patrick
and
others
in
the
city
to
identify
where
we're
seeing
rides
start
and
where
we're
seeing
rides
end
and
where
we're
seeing
issues
at
and
then
turn
in
and
then
create
parking
corrals
right
so
like
we
don't
know
where
people
want
to
ride
to
or
from
in
in
certain
parts
of
the
city.
J
Like
you
know,
we
like,
for
instance,
in
santa
monica,
they
had
a
protective
bike,
lane
infrastructure
plan
they
put
in
place
three
years
ago.
They
just
amended
their
productive
bike
plane
by
five
years
and
changed
some
of
their
paths
around
where
they
were
thinking
about
paying
their
protective
bike
lanes
because
of
the
data
they
received
from
the
share
mobility
pilot
program
and
and
comparing
that
to
like
traffic,
and
so
we
so
we
don't
want
to
like
create
definite
like
secure
infrastructure.
J
Yet
until
we
learn
from
like
what
the
pilot
would
show
and
again
it
would
be
a
pilot.
It
wouldn't
be
perfect.
So,
like
was
hollywood.
Just
did
this
recently.
So
like
they
had
followed
palm
springs,
lead
and
banded
originally,
and
we're
gonna
go
to
a
parking
model
only
but
they're
allowing
free
floating
right
now
and
they're,
adding
parking
corrals
as
they
came
up,
and
so
then,
when
parking
cars
get
at
it,
just
as
we
have
it
in
san
diego,
we
make
it
mandatory
for
people
to
park
in
those
locations.
So
if.
J
Zone,
correct
or,
let's
just
say
or
some
other
area,
that
we
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
ridership.
We
can
make
it
on
the
app
so
that
you
won't
be
able
to
end
your
ride
unless
you're
in
a
corral,
and
so
we
wouldn't
do
that
throughout
the
entire
city.
Right,
because
if
I
ride
back
to
my
hotel
or
somewhere
else,
like
you
know,
I'm
just
going
to
want
to
park
my
vehicle
and
this,
and
we
don't
want
to
put
too
much
infrastructure
in
it
all
around
the
city
for
that.
J
But
we
would
do
that
in
the
beginning
and
then
your
other
question
about
lights
and
stuff.
Like
I
mean
the
lights,
just,
have
become
much
further.
I
mean
like
there
there's
like
really
high
standards
in
germany
where
we
operate
and
that's
the
lighting
that
like
goes
on
all
our
vehicles
and
so
like
our
vehicles
have
to
be
certified
like
very
high
up
for
lighting
purposes
and
and
then
for
as
far
as
riding
in
hot
times
and
night
time
and
during
the
day,
you'd
be
surprised.
J
We
operate
in
phoenix
and
tucson
and
other
cities
that
are
really
hot.
You
know
115
120
degrees
and
people
want
to
go
that
last
mile,
really
fast
and
they'll
jump
on
a
scooter
to
get
there.
I
would
imagine
you
know.
I'm
in
palm
springs
a
lot
and
I
would
think
about
multiple
times
where
I
would
connect
to
local
businesses
or
go
to
a
different
restaurant.
That's
not
in
downtown,
maybe
some
other
part
of
the
city,
because
I
now
my
expansion,
my
expan,
I
can
expand
my
horizons
where
I
want
to
go
visit
and
work.
I
J
It's
going
to
be
a
it's
both,
for
I
mean
honestly
my
options
both
like
my
husband.
I
would
like
to
move
there
and
raise
our
family
there,
but
I'd
like
to
make
the
streets
a
little
bit
safer.
J
I'm
still,
you
know,
I'm
seeing
pedestrians
are
hit,
and
you
know
I
know
patrick
and
the
city
and
others
are
really
working
on
bike
infrastructure
and
you
all
are
as
well
but,
like
you
know,
I'd
like
to
sort
of
speed
up
that
process
of
making
it
so
that
you
know
it
would
be
a
50
50
split.
You
know
it's
not
just
tourism.
We
want
to
replace
car
trips,
that's
our
mission,
and
so
how
do
we
replace
car
trips?
And
I
think
it's
yeah?
Our
tour
is
going
to
use
it.
J
Of
course,
people
that
are
saying
airbnb's.
Of
course,
they're.
You
know
they're
not
going
to
have
to
take
an
over
a
lift
anymore,
or
at
least
we
try
not
to,
but
will
it
be
perfect
on
day
one
or
during
the
pilot?
No,
but
I
bet
we'll
learn
a
lot.
J
There
will
be
yes,
the
they
already
have.
A
draft
agreement,
they've
reviewed
that
the
city
manager
just
reviewed
and
council
members
are
as
well,
and
then
this
would
come
to
council
as
well,
but
yeah.
It's.
I
think.
Coachella
has
a
similar
pilot
program,
they're
doing
right
now
and
all
that
would
be
in
there.
There
would
be
a
little
leak
license
within
30
day
notice,
right
away
if
they
needed
to.
H
I
have
one
question
first
for
jim
because
I
think
he'll
know
the
answer,
maybe
patrick
on
that
question,
for
you
tim,
my
first
question
is:
is
there
for
the
bike
lanes?
Are
they
exclusively
for
for
bikes
or
you
know,
would
do
scooters
be
able
to
use
the
bike
lanes?
You
know.
Obviously,
we've
got
barista.
You
know
shareholders
and
everything
like
that.
But
is
there
any
restriction
on
the
bike
lanes
or
would
they
expect
to
be
in
the
the
same
bike
lanes?
H
E
Yeah,
no,
no!
No,
I
don't.
I
think
we
see
we.
I
envision
bicycles
as
a
common,
any
e-bikes,
all
scooters
and
anything
and
the
idea
is
to
get
bikes
off
the
sidewalks
and
scooters
and
eve
and
e-bikes
are
generally
limited
to
go
under
20
miles
an
hour
which
fits
in
well.
Anything
above
20
miles
an
hour
seems
to
be
the
breaking
point
where
you
move
them
onto
streets.
E
H
You
for
that
clarification,
then
I
have
a
question
for
jim,
which,
in
our
general
plan
update
document
the
housing
element.
I
think
they
mentioned
that
the
that
the
median
age
in
palm
springs
is,
I
believe,
five.
Something
like
that
and
coachella
obviously
is
a
much
younger
population.
H
So,
with
all
due
respect
to
you
know
the
tourists
and
everything,
but
we
have
a
very
different
residential
population
than
most
cities.
So
is
there
you
know
specific
outreach
or
training
for
older
folks
who,
you
know,
may
not
have
ridden
a
scooter,
since
you
know
for
15
years
to
sort
of
get
them
comfortable,
because
if
they're
going
to
be
accidents,
I
you
know
that
that
may
be
that
that
may
be
an
issue
there.
H
So
we
have
a
different
population
that
then
I
think
the
cities
that
you're
you
know
that
you're
otherwise
in
and
coachella
is
not
no,
not
analogous
palm
springs
in
that
respect.
J
Yeah
thanks,
sir,
so
we
are,
we
do
we
do
workshops,
and
we
do
you
know
we'll
reach
out
to.
If
there's
you
know,
senior
housing
complexes
or
you
know
senior
centers,
where
we
could
do
a
you
know,
helmet,
giveaway
and
some
you
know
we
would
put
out
some
like.
You
know:
foam
sort
of
a
foam
test
course.
J
You
know
we
can
do
that
kind
of
stuff.
Absolutely
like
that's
very
possible
to
do
you
know.
We
would
like,
like
our
community
pricing
plan,
which
is
50
off
for
rides.
Anyone
I
believe
it's
55
and
over
automatically
applies
for
50
50
off
rides.
So,
like
you
know,
we
try
to
make
it
as
inviting
and
comfortable
as
everyone,
but
to
be
sort
of
fair
bird
is
a
lot
of
tech.
J
Folks
are
have
gone
remote
and
I
now
have,
I
believe,
about
a
dozen
bird
employees
that
live
in
the
palm
springs
area
now
over
the
last
year
and
a
lot
of
young
from
I'm
here
with
the
council.
Members
is
the
way
a
lot
of
young
families
and
a
lot
more
people
are
moving
there.
Obviously,
we
plan,
you
know
husband.
I
plan
to
stay
there
and
retire
there
as
well,
but
we
are
seeing
you
know
everyone.
J
I
think
it's
you
know,
you'll
see,
people
on
all
you'll
see
people
across
the
spectrum
on
the
birds.
You'll
see
it's
really
surprising
actually,
but
everyone
uses.
K
Thank
you.
I
have
a
just
a
quick
follow-up
related
to
what
carl
was
bringing
up
about
the
parking
issue,
and
I
was
under
the
impression
that
you
have
a
feature
that
you're
not
allowed
to
end
your
trip
unless
you
can
take
a
picture
and
demonstrate
that
the
that
the
device
or
the
the
scooter
or
the
bike
is
placed
in
the
way
that
you're
asking
them
to.
Is
that
imp?
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
yours
that
I
was
writing
or
not,
but
is
that
something
that
your
system
also
has.
J
Yeah,
so
we
make
you
take
a
picture
at
the
end
of
your
ride
and
it
is
basically,
you
know,
take
a
picture
to
prove
that
you
know
not
blocking
access.
It's
not
machine
algorithm
learning,
yet
where
it's
like
it
only
will
let
you
on
the
right
if
it
sees
the
picture
of
the
scooter
it's
being
developed,
but
it's
not
100
there
yet
so
we
just
review
them
sort
of.
J
We
have
another
outsourced
company
that
reviews
them
and,
I
would
say
probably
75
of
them
have
a
picture
of
the
bird
in
the
picture
and
we
see
it.
So
it's
not
100
perfect
yet,
but
it's
drastically
proven
where
it
was
before.
D
B
I
think
it's
time
to
wrap
up,
we've
had
a
good
presentation
and
a
lot
of
good
questions.
So
thank
you
again,
tim
and
next,
we'll
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
in
the
agenda.
A
Click
on
my
picture
go
up
to
my
page,
got
it
there
you
go
and
if
you
click
on
the
dot
dot
dot,
it
goes
yep.
D
D
J
So
I
I
but
you
know,
we'd,
want
to
learn
with
you
know
again
with
the
council
and-
and
you
know,
community
stakeholders
and
patrick
and
everyone
where
you
see
a
vision,
but
I
mean
I'd
want
the
pilot
program
to
be,
you
know,
for
there
to
be
access
across
the
city
and
so
because
that's
where
that's,
how
we
get
more
data
and
how
we
learn
of
how
how
far
people
are
communicating
into
where
their
community
and
their
other
micro
neighborhoods
that
people
are
staying
in
that
we
might
not.
J
You
know
that
the
data
will
show
us.
I
mean
you,
we
collect,
you
would
imagine
how
much
data
we
collect
on
people
moving
and
unlike
uber
and
lyft,
we
share
it
with
the
cities
and
and
help
them
plan
and
where
that
can
go
with.
So
that's
the
difference
between
us.
So
I
would
say:
citywide
and
probably
I
haven't
really
came
up
with
a
number,
yet
I
I'm
guessing
that
we
would
start
with
maybe
300
around
the
entire
city.
J
I
think
that
serves
the
population
and
then
it
can
scale
up
or
scale
down
based
on
demand.
You
know,
but
that's
what
I
would
envision,
starting
with
in
the
fall.
J
B
So
now
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
agenda
item,
which
is
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes,
the
minutes
from
the
june
15th
meeting.
They
were
emailed
and
posted
on
thursday,
the
15th
of
july
or
any
comments
or
corrections
to
the
minutes.
K
Hi
roy,
yes,
yes,
I
had
a
comment.
There
was
a
in
the
conversation
about
ab1383
and
the
community
composting
conversation.
B
B
B
So
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
what
to
do.
The
the
situation
is
that
you
know
the
the
memo
regarding
the
night
sky
ordinance
had
been
brought
up
by
rob
in
the
subcommittee
a
few
months
ago,
and
then
there
were
some
questions
about
what
city
codes,
zoning
versus
municipal
code.
B
B
B
Has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
read
that
document
and
and
you
feel
ready
to
to
take
a
vote
on
the
recommendations
and
the
point
is
the
document
was
a
memo
to
the
commission,
and
so
if
the
commission
accepts
the
recommendation,
there
still
needs
to
be
some
more
work,
but
then,
in
terms
of
researching
the
codes
and
energy
code
a
little
bit
further,
but
then
then
we
would
go
forward
and
create
a
staff
report
to
go
to
council
to
to
pass
the
recommendations
on
for
their
vote.
B
H
Yeah,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
rob
isn't
here,
but
I
want
to
thank
him
for
forgive
the
fun
shining
light
on
what
I
think
is
the
most
complicated
legal
issue
that
I've
seen
in
my
six
years
on
the
commission
and
that's
saying
a
lot.
H
The
challenge
that
I
have
is
that
we're
dealing
with
and
carl
as
an
attorney
will
appreciate
we're
dealing
with
conflicts
of
law.
Here
we
have
two
conflicting
provisions
of
the
city
code.
H
Certain
provisions
are
in
the
zoning
code,
that's
the
one
cited
by
rob
and
he
mentions
the
energy
code,
but
what
he
doesn't
mention
is
that
the
energy
code
is
mandatory
under
the
municipal
code
as
part
of
all
of
the
rest
of
the
building
standards
codes
is,
you
know,
4065,
and
that
code
sets
out
mandatory
provisions,
including
the
ones
cited
by
rob
saying
you
know
we
should,
you
know,
follow
the
energy
code.
Well,
we
should
point.
H
Is
that
that's
already
in
the
city
code-
and
it's
remains
unclear
to
me
about
whether
anybody,
whether
it's
in
planning
or
building,
is
actually
enforcing
those
provisions
of
mandatory
state
and
city
law
and
how
the
conflicts
are
are
resolved.
So
I
entirely
support
all
of
the
work
that
rob
is
is
doing,
but
this
requires
a
lot
more
research
and
really
for
staff
and
in
particular
the
city
attorney's
office,
to
analyze.
You
know
how
the
codes
work
together
and
and
and
then
we
can
sort
of
see
what
gaps
you
know
need
to
be
filled.
H
The
energy
code
and
I'll
mention
that
in
my
report,
the
2022
energy
code
will
establish
as
of
january
1
2023
the
model
legal
ordinance
will
be
mandatory,
statewide,
and
so
the
city
doesn't
have
any
sort
of
influence
on
that.
So
once
again,
a
lot
of
what
rob
is
saying
will
become
mandatory
city
law
in
in
less
than
18
months.
H
A
lot
is
already
in
the
2019
code
and
where
it
gets
even
more
complicated
is
there's
the
stuff
that
isn't
in
the
code,
the
energy
code
and
I've
confirmed
with
the
commission,
but
actually
things
like
landscape
lighting
or
lighting
of
public
monuments
city
actually
can
that's
not
regulated
by
the
state,
so
we
actually
can
regulate
those
things.
So
this
is
super
complicated.
I
you
know
if
we
were
to
make
a
motion,
I
would
say,
is
to
sort
of
ask
staff
patrick
to
work
with
the
city
attorney's
office
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of.
H
I
think
it's
two
two
two
points
which
is,
first
of
all,
to
analyze
the
existing
state
of
city
law,
how
the
two
codes
work
together
and
then
maybe
this
is
the
job
for
for
for
for
for
rob,
and
I
can
work
with
him
is
to
say
what
isn't
in
the
state
code
that
we
can
actually
implement.
So
we
need
a
gap
analysis,
and
so
I
think
you
know
that
also
that's
additional
work.
H
So
once
again,
I
I
am
absolutely
support
and
thrilled
about
the
work
that
rob
has
done,
but
this
is
this
is
a
legal.
This
is
super
complicated,
legal
stuff.
I've
done
as
much
as
I
can,
but
it
requires
a
lot
more
staff
analysis
and,
in
particular,
legal
analysis
to
analyze
the
role
play
between
the
two
city
codes
and
the
state
code.
So
that's
that's
sort
of
what
I
have
to
say
where
you
want
to
sort
of
go
for
that.
H
I
I
don't
know,
but
this
is
requires
a
lot
more
work
and
that's
not
any
criticism
of
rob
he's
done
a
great
job,
but
there's
only
so
much
that
a
commissioner
former
commissioner
can
do
when
there
are
lots
of
complicated
legal
issues
involved.
B
E
H
It
is
not
covered
in
it's
an
exception
to
the
energy
code,
so
the
energy
code
largely
affects
building
performance.
So
what
you're
doing
on
your
outdoor
lighting
or
your
parking
lots
by
the
way?
There's
a
lot
involving
parking
lot
lighting,
as
that's
a
really
big
issue
right
now
in
the
co-development
process
right,
you
build
up
a
building
and
you
install
a
parking
lot.
H
You
there's
a
limitation
strict
limitation
of
what
the
lighting
is
on
on
on
the
hardscapes,
so
that
stuff
needs
to
be
done,
but
landscaping
is
accepted
from
the
energy
code,
not
regulated,
so
we
can
do
whatever
we
want
in
the
zoning
code
on
that.
As
long
as
we
don't
recall
it
energy
efficiency,
we
don't
have
to
get
the
approval
of
the
energy
commission.
E
It
would
seem
that
80
of
our
battle
might
even
be
in
landscape
lighting.
As
far
as
I
can
tell,
I
mean
the
biggest
offender
that
we
now
see
are
uplighting
trees
and
uploading
landscape.
Maybe
we
should
focus
our
efforts
in
asking
staff
to
look
at
how
if
we
can
have
some
free
reins
to
apply
this
to
landscape
lighting
only
and
then
take
a
and
then
see
how
that
goes
and
then
take
more
of
a
back
burner
for
some
of
the
other
things
like
parking
lots
and
things
you
suggested.
E
So
I
think
you
know
it's
a
huge
chunk
to
attack
all
of
this
at
once,
and
I
think
the
most
bang
for
the
buck
would
be
landscaping.
H
And
that
we
have
free
rainfall,
I've
confirmed
with
the
energy
commission
as
part
of
the
co-development.
They
said,
go
to
it,
don't
call
it
and
don't
call
it
energy
efficiency,
so
that
can
be
regulated
in
the
zoning
code
and
it
does
not
require
energy
commission
approval.
H
If
we
want
to
do
things
about
the
you
know,
the
hardscape
or
what
rob
mentioned
is
the
various
lighting
zones,
that's
in
the
energy
code
already,
and
it
will
be
fully
aligned
with
the
model
lighting
ordinance
as
of
january
1,
20
23.
E
I
also
had
two
minor
edits
in
there
that
I
sent.
I
think
I
copied
you
guys
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
words
they
had
300k
lighting
ship
and
3000k
and
the
other
one
about
minim,
the
maximum
lighting
for
landscape
lighting-
that
I'm
still
unclear
on,
because
the
stuff
they
sell
at
home
depot
is
100,
lumens
minimum
and
they
suggested
a
10
lumen
maximum.
And
I
guess
that
must
be
in
california
code
or
something
like
that's
the
one
question
I
saw
it
outstanding
and
but
I
think
the
rest
of
it
looks
great.
F
I
can
also
to
I
just
recently
have
got
an
invitation
to
join
this
community,
so
I
pretty
much
have
no
deep
insight
to
contribute
here
and
I
think
the
idea
was
that
I
could
help
with
the
education
outreach
component
of
it.
I
just
asked
rob
if
maybe
he
could
lend
me
some
time.
I
can
get
more
insight
from
him,
but
in
terms
of
contributing
to
this
conversation
right
now,
I've
got
about
nothing
here.
B
Thank
you
alex
yeah
and
that
that's
one
of
the
significant
recommendations
about
having
outreach
and
education
to
the
community.
B
Just
in
my
opinion,
it
seems
like
perhaps
if
we
de-scope
this
to
landscape
lighting,
as
as
jim
suggested,
we'd,
be
able
to
make
some
progress
without
getting
into
the
code
and
legal
tangle,
and
then
we
could
move
forward
and
perhaps
expand
it
as
time
goes
on,
see
jim
and
alex's
heads
is
that
something
that
that
we
could
could
move
on
with
and
basically
regroup
and
take
a
look
at
what
how
we
would
word
the
memo
and
how
we
we
would
word
the
recommendations
going
forward
with
just
landscape
lighting,
and
how
do
the
other
commissioners
feel
about
that?
G
From
my
side,
I
you
know
this
is
a
you
reading
everything
in
the
past
few
days.
I'm
not
I'm
not
ready
to
vote
on
this,
but
it
does
sound
like
the
the
direction
of
moving
to
landscape
lighting
and
reducing
the
number
of
options
you're.
Addressing
would
make
it
easier
to
to
get
up
to
speed
on.
B
But
that's
if
that's
the
consensus
of
the
commission
and
the
preference
of
the
subcommittee.
Then
we
can
table
this
for
now
and
allow
you
some
time
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
get
back
to
us
in
a
month
or
two
and
we.
B
E
We've
been
using
ad
hoc
enforcement
with
code
compliance,
so
a
number
of
people
if
they
see
trees
that
have
the
300
watts,
3000k
lights,
uploading,
their
palm
trees,
we'll
call
it
in
and
they
can
just
take
a
peek
look
at
the
piece
of
equipment
and
they
can
see
if
it
doesn't
comply.
Those
are
already
out
of
compliance
in
the
city,
but
it's
all
done
ad
hoc.
I
think
the
combination
of
what
alex
is
talking
about.
Smart
education
might
get
more
people
to
start
saying
hey.
E
I
Can
think
for
an
example,
the
house
behind
me
has
green
up
lights
on
their
palm
trees,
which
doesn't
bother
me
at
all,
but
it's
in
the
backyard
and
really
only
I
am
the
person
that's
affected
by
it,
and
I
would
not
want
to
put
myself
in
that
position.
It's
like.
Oh,
my
neighbor
has
this
on
you
need
to.
I
don't
want
to
be
that
guy.
H
One
thing
that
I
I
would
strongly
support
focusing
on
on
on
landscaping,
but
if
we're
going
to
sort
of
push
this
off
to
you
know,
september
or
october,
really
would
like
staff
to
come
back
with
some.
You
know
w
with
all
of
the
issues
that
rob
has
mentioned
in
terms
of
energy
savings,
and
things
like
that
do
also
apply.
H
That's
why
the
energy
code
says
what
it
is,
and
I
really
would
appreciate
you
know,
for
staff
coming
back
to
us
and
letting
us
know
sort
of
how
the
how
the
energy
code
provisions
are
are
handled
in
the
city
if
at
all,
and
then
we
can
focus
on
our
recommendations
just
on
landscape
lighting,
because
that's
not
in
the
code
and
won't
be,
and
so
that's
the
zone.
Zoning
code
can
fully
address
those
it's
on
the
energy
code.
Forgive
me
be
clear.
B
Really
two
things
now:
one
is
for
the
committee
to
go
subcommittee
to
go
back
and
rework
this
based
upon
landscape
lighting
only,
but
also
to
get
some
input
from
probably
the
building
department
on
how
the
energy
code
applies.
H
Would
do
yeah
and
patrick
can
can
liaise
with
building
and
planning
and,
if
necessary,
legal
and
come
back
to
us.
As
with
the
rest
of
the
committee's
recommendations,.
A
A
H
E
And
roy
did
rob,
give
you
any
inclination.
Is
he
willing
to
make
a
few
edits
to
his
letter
to
encompass
some
of
this
or
that's
something
I
might
want
to
do.
B
E
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
old
business
item,
which
is
the
smoking
ordinance
and
I'll
just
want
to
refer
you
before.
We
start
to
the
memo
in
the
agenda
market
from
patrick,
which
gave
the
history
of
what
we've
done
with
the
smoking
ordinance
we've
been
talking
about
it
for
a
few
years
and
the
most
recent
thing
that
we
did
was
vote
on
a
draft
ordinance
that
was
a
collaboration
between
our
commission
carl
baker
and
edward
rameron
of
the
human
rights
commission,
because
they
had
written
a
memo
about
this.
B
B
One
one
major
issue
when
we
had
our
vote
in
february
was
whether
or
not
to
restrict
smoking
in
multi-family
dwellings.
The
ordinance
as
written
does
restrict
it
and
there
was
some
opposition
to
that
by
a
number
of
commissioners.
So
that's
still
an
open
issue
with
the
sustainability
commission
and
and
the
current
joint
draft.
I
Hi,
yes
thanks,
chair
clark,
so
basically
this
has
kind
of
floated
around
for
a
couple
of
years
and
the
decision
we
made
since
the
sustainability
commission
was
not
in
favor
of
the
resolution
is
drafted.
We
decided
to
wait
until
the
hrc
human
rights
commission
took
hello
to
see
if
they
made
any
substantial
edits.
However,
they
made
absolutely
none.
They
were
just
a
few
grammatical
tweaks,
but
there
was
no
substantive
edits
made
at
all.
So
now
we
are
back
where
we
started.
Basically,
with
this
resolution,
the
question
becomes:
what
is
the
next
step?
I
E
Yeah
so
carl
thank
you
for
putting
this
forward.
I
looked
through
it
again
and
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
projected
to
multi-family,
mostly
it's
because
my
mom
lives
in
a
condo
and
she's
82
and
she
smokes
out
on
her
patio,
and
you
know
she's
at
a
point
where
she's
not
going
to
give
up
smoking.
Her
neighbors
are
all
fine
with
it.
So
I
can't
get
past
this.
So
I
looked
through
what
patrick
sent
out.
E
He
said
what
some
of
the
other
cities
did,
and
I
did
find
one
thing
that
I
thought
was
kind
of
interesting
in
santa
monica.
They
seem
to
have
written
up
a
way
to
sort
of
grandfather
it
in
so
what
they
would
we're
doing
is
saying
all
right
this
you
know
these
apartments
are
grandfathered.
Are
smoking
not
smoking,
and
then,
when
there's
a
change
of
occupancy,
they
all
become
non-smoking.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
one
ways
that
I
could
kind
of
make
this
palatable.
You
know
you
know.
I
know
this
is
anecdotal.
E
I
E
Well,
I
I
read
the
link
that
patrick
sent
out
and
it
was.
It
was
on
that
link
that
he
sent
in
his
I
clicked
on
santa
monica,
and
it
explained
how
it.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
link
said,
but
I
know
what
happened
to
residents
in
santa
monica
on
the
day
that
that
went
into
effect,
because
I
did
notice
there
was
a
some.
Similarly,
there
was
a
resident
around
the
corner
from
me
who
would
go
out
and
smoke
on
the
balcony,
so
the
smoke
would
not
be
in
their
residence
and
my
window
is
open
facing
ocean
park
boulevard.
All
of
a
sudden,
I
smell
cigarette
smoke.
It's
like
I'm
looking
outside.
There's
no
one
smoking
in
front
of
me.
It's
literally
wrapped
around
the
building
into
my
unit.
E
Yeah,
I
think
it's
still
a
problem
in
multi-level
units,
but
I
can
see
how
it's
less
of
a
problem
in
single
level
units
which
is
where
my
mom
lives.
So
then
I'm
well.
There.
E
Right
but
the
balconies
are
all
surrounded
by
common
area.
All
the
balconies
are
surrounded
by
combination,
as
far
as
I
know
so,
even
though
it's
just
lawn
it's
a
common
area
along,
so
that
still
wouldn't
accommodate
her,
even
though
nobody
is
affected
by
her
smoke
because
of
where
she
is
so,
I'm
not
sure
how
to
get
around
that.
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
commissioner
baker.
It's
even
you
know.
I.
I
live
in
a
single
single
level,
10
casitas.
When
I
signed
the
lease.
It
was
no
smoking
period.
That
includes
common
area.
There
is
no
way
to
avoid
that.
I
get
smoke
coming
in
and
suddenly
I'm
surrounded
by
smokers,
nine
out
of
the
ten
smokers,
and
I
can't
open
my
windows-
it's
an
older
building,
so
it's
all
cross
ventilation
which
is
wonderful,
but
I'm
getting
you
know
and
that
triggers
migraines.
C
For
me
I
could
lose
two
or
three
days
and
you
know
be
violently
ill
from
it,
but
now
I'm
surrounded
by
smokers-
and
you
know
they
know
they
sign
the
lease.
But
I
think
this
is
just
the
nature
of
the
addiction.
I'm
sorry
about
your
mother,
but
you
know-
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
other
people
they're
just
like
I'm
gonna-
keep
doing
it.
You.
F
C
K
C
To
smoke
in
the
restaurant,
so
they
step
outside
the
street
and
that
comes
into
the
pool
and
into
my
into
my
windows.
So
I
find
it
to
be
obnoxious,
it
is
carcinogenic.
So
I'm
sorry,
I
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
tolerance
for
smokers
saying.
Well,
I
don't
want
to
have
to
go
25
feet
or
I'm
going
to
have
to
go,
stand
out
on
the
street
or
in
the
corner.
I'm
sorry,
you've
got
an
addiction
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
It's
not
really!
Okay
and
it's
not
okay
to
force.
C
B
So
I
guess
one
question
right
now
is:
does
the
commission
want
to
re-look
at
the
ordinance
the
multi-family
unit,
smoking
provision
specifically
and
make
a
revision,
then
we
probably
would
go
back
to
the
hrc,
or
should
we
stop
at
this
point
and
report
to
council
member
coors?
Who
was
the
one
who
originally
asked
us
to
look
at
this
and
let
him
know
where
we're
at.
I
H
Yeah,
I
have
two
questions
actually
for
her
for
commissioner
baker
is
I
just
make
sure
that
I
understand
how
the
definitions
work,
because
the
way
I
tried
to
track
it
through,
but
perhaps
I've
missed
something
is
that
for
multifamily,
the
prohibition
is
only
against
smoking
in
common
areas,
and
you
can
smoke
in
your
in
your
unit
is.
Is
that
correct?
Do
I
understand
that
correctly.
I
There
are,
there
are
options
in
that
and
we
did
not
select
any
of
those
options.
There
was
enough.
There
was
sort
of
the
grandfather.
There
was
a
grandfather
clause
option
originally
similar
to
what
jim
had
mentioned
so
based
on
your
condo
or
apartment
unit.
If
it
was
not
a
non-smoking
unit
like
sandra's,
then
you
could
be
grandfathered
in
until
the
new
tenant
came
in
and
then
that
unit
would
be
non-smoking.
I
That
is
an
option
that
we
can.
I
my
suggestion
would
be.
We
send
this
off
to
the
council
and
then
list
options
such
as
a
grandfathering
in
certain
units
that
will
change
when
they,
when
the
occupier
moves
or
b.
What
was
the
other
thing?
It
was
just
exempting
multi-unit
dwellings,
I
mean
there
are
a
couple
of
options
to
do
it
ways
to
do
it.
H
Can
you
point
me
where
I'm
missing
that
link,
because
maybe
it's
in
a
definition
but
section
3
a5,
says
that
smoking
is
prohibited
in
common
areas
of
multi-unit
residences
and
I
could
not
find
out
and
then
common
unit
is
then
defined
as
an
area
that
anybody
can
common
area
is
every
enclosed
area
that
residents
of
more
than
one
unit
of
that
multi-unit
residents
are
entitled
to
enter
into
so
yeah,
where,
where
is
it
prohibited
in
this
text,
hold
on
that
you
can't
smoke
in
your
in
your
own
unit?
H
All
right,
the
next
question,
which
remains
my
concern,
is
how
cannabis
is
regulated,
because
it's
it's
in
the
it's
in
the
markup
of
you
know
saying
that
talking
about
cannabis,
it's
defined
in
the
definition
and
once
again,
there's
no
there's
no
operative
section
in
the
text
of
the
ordinance
that
actually
says
what's
supposed
to
happen
with
cannabis,
and
then
you
know
it's
all
referenced
at
tobacco
shops
that
is
tobacco
shop.
Also
a
you
know,
a
cannabis,
you
know
lounge.
How
does
that
work
with
you
know
with
with
the
city
code?
I
Still
remains
unsettled,
commissioner,
as
you
mentioned
two
years
ago,
that
would
have
to
go
to
the
sea,
because
there
is
now
different
regulations
on
smoking,
lounges
and
cigar
lounges.
That
didn't
exist
before,
and
this
does
need
to
be
modified
to
address
those
new
restrictions
or
allowances
for
with
like
lounges.
H
All
right,
my
suggestion
is
that
references
to
cannabis
are
deleted
and
then
sort
of
that
some
of
that's
the
question
to
you
know
to
go
to
go
to
council
because
right
now
I
once
again
I
remain
confused
when
cannabis
is
defined,
but
they're
not
actually
used
in
the
text
of
what?
What?
What
exactly
is
the
intent.
I
H
H
You
know
if,
if
it's
simply
a
draft
with
issues
unresolved
like
how
to
deal
with
multi-family
and
how
to
deal
with
cannabis,
then
okay,
I
would
actually
probably
prefer
that
if
we
send
something
to
council
that
maybe
it
isn't
this
text,
but
rather
sort
of
you
know
just
a
summary
of
what
you
know
or
what's
intended
of
the
extent
that
that's
known,
because
if
the
intent
is
to
prohibit
smoking
in
a
in
the
individualized
unit,
I
can't
find
that
in
the
text.
I
And
I'm
looking
at
yeah,
I'm
looking
at
section
two
where
it
defines
prohibition
of
smoking
and
tobacco
products
and
then
close
places-
and
you
are
correct,
it
does
need
to
have
section.
I
guess
would
be
five
added
that
would
define
inside
of
living
areas
because
it
does.
It
mentions
everything
except
your
individual
living
space,
you're
direct.
As
always,
commissioner,.
I
H
Beginning
so
that
intent
should
be
expressed
yes
yeah,
so
my
suggestion
is
that,
if
you
want
to
send
this
to
the
council,
then
revise
the
text
just
to
say
that
to
add
that
yep
rip
out
strip
out
cannabis
and
then
simply
flag
the
issue.
H
What
should
we
do
about
cannabis
and
let
council
sort
of
figure
that
out,
because
otherwise,
I
think
you've
got
a
lot
more
work
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
your
definition,
because
the
definition's
there,
but
it's
not
actually
used.
A
That
and
don
has
his
hand
up,
and
I
just
want
to
mention
that
we
did
get
one
comment
from
the
public
on
this.
We
were
kind
of
waiting
to
see
if
we
got
any
more,
but
there
was
a
suggestion
by
of
the
commenter,
so
I'm
we're
sending
that
around
to
everybody.
Now
too,
that
was
a
written.
B
A
G
All
right,
my
comments,
one
is
very
minor.
I
think
there's
a
typo
in
the
definition
of
landlord.
Someone
needs
to
look
at
that
other
than
myself
and
I'm
sure
david
would
catch
it
the
and
then
I
found
it
hard
to
shuffle
through
and
figure
out
how
it
applied
to
mobile
home
parks
because
we're
not
we're
said
to
be
not
multi-unit,
but
yet
we
have
common
areas
like
an
hoa
would
have,
and
so
basically
it's
just
I
didn't
have
time
to
run
through
all
of
the
logic.
For
that.
I
G
I
B
B
It
still
may
take
some
time
before
this
is
finalized
and
goes
to
the
council
for
a
vote.
H
No,
I
I
think
it's
fine
to
send
it
to
council
member
coors.
I
think
forgive
me
for
sort
of
skipping
that
step,
but
yes
with
once
again,
probably
a
couple
of
bullet
points
of
as
as
commissioner
baker
just
said,
is
that
here's
a
draft
for
you?
You
know
for
you
to
think
about
and
the
intent
of
the
respective
commissions
is.
You
know,
ban
smoking
here
there
whatever,
and
these
are
the
unresolved
issues
for
which
council
you
know
direction
input
is
requested.
H
I
And
I
I
can
work
with
council
member
coors
as
well,
if
necessary,.
A
And
field,
I'm
sorry
before
we
leave
that,
because
jennifer
is
not
here
tonight,
I
did
want
to
just
make
sure
that
whatever
the
memo
is
captured,
the
concerns
that
people
had
about
some
of
the
equity
issues
related
to
limiting
smoking
in
multifamily,
which
was
kind
of
one
of
the
concerns
raised
earlier.
So
so
I
think
that
that
memo
should
highlight
some
of
those
questions
and
concerns
that
are
outstanding.
D
A
So
tracy
you
want
to
give
us
an
update,
yes,
and
just
by
the
way
our
program
in
its
current
form
closed
at
the
end
of
last
at
the
end
of
june.
So
this
is
sort
of
a
wrap
up.
C
During
the
program,
a
total
of
47
businesses
participated
between
the
sustainability
and
recycling
initiatives,
a
total
of
and
33
six
dollars
were
received.
C
I
did
want
to
share
some
of
the
comments,
because
patrick
and
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
have
more
conversations
with
folks,
but
really
wanted
to
relay
to
the
commission
how
grateful
business
owners
business
owners
were.
We
really
enjoyed
when
landscapers
took
advantage
of
the
program
and
purchased
electric
leaf
blowers,
and
so
one
of
the
quotes
included
was
from
one
of
the
landscapers
and
him
saying
that
he
really
noticed
the
the
benefits
and
differences
and
then
just
business
owners
and
their
customers
being
grateful.
C
You
know
where
styrofoam
had
previously
been
used,
replaced
with
eco-friendly
products.
So
thank
you
from
the
community.
It
was
very
appreciated
and
the
next
round
will
really
focus
on
our
restaurants,
hospitality
bar
restaurant
owners
and
how
the
food
wear
ordinance
will
be
impacting
them.
So
that
will
be
launching
at
any
moment.
C
A
So
this
is
really
more
of
a
preview
for
folks,
I
know
not.
Everybody
was
involved
a
year
ago
or
so
when
we
started
this
process,
but
we
are
in
the
process
of
developing
a
climate
action
roadmap
for
ourselves
and
to
both
educate
council
members
on
the
kinds
of
things
that
have
gone
on
to
date,
as
well
as
the
areas
that
we
believe
need
to
be
an
area
of
focus
in
the
future.
A
So
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
we
are
analyzing
the
results
of
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory
and
update
and
working
with
place,
works
to
kind
of
do
a
little
bit
deeper,
deeper
dive
into
that
data.
To
see
what
opportunities
we
have
for
further
reductions
to
help
get
us
to
our
ambitious
20,
30
goals
and
probably
some
increasingly
tighter
goals.
A
If
any
indication,
if
work
going
on
elsewhere
is
any
indication,
so
we
also
are
awaiting
from
place,
works
the
their
analysis
of
climate
vulnerabilities,
so
that
will
give
us
some
insights
into
potential
climate
adaptation
strategies
that
we
might
implement
to
help
address
some
of
those
vulnerabilities.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
that
too.
So
our
plan
is
to
work
on
that
in
the
august
early
september.
A
Time
frame
bring
that
back
to
the
commission
in
september
and
hopefully
on
to
council
shortly
thereafter
for
their
consideration,
so
it'll
include
some
options
for
them
to
think
about.
A
It
also
aligns
nicely
with
our
strategic
planning
process,
which
we
hope
to
get
underway
here
in
the
september
time
frame
as
well,
because
it
provides
us
with
a
little
more
detailed
action
plan
on
a
topic
that
is
certainly
of
interest
to
many
so
anyway.
So
I
think
that's
about
it
again.
It
was
just
sort
of
an
update
for
folks
and
just
wanted
to
start
get
you
thinking
about
that
topic
again
as
we
go
into
that
september
discussion,
because
this
will
be
a
big
topic
for
us
as
well.
So
that's
it.
A
H
So
I
can
send
you-
and
you
know
the
next
couple
of
days,
just
a
sort
of
update,
but
you
know
just
to
sort
of
follow
up
on
discussion
yesterday.
We
can
probably,
then
you
know,
integrate
those
discussions,
so
I
I
kind
of
defer
to
you
and
roy
about
how
you
want
to
sort
of
handle
that,
whether
that's
in
the
strategic
planning
or
green
building
in
building
slash
solar,
how
you
want
to
do
that,
but
I
no
matter
how
that
you
want
to
do
it.
A
H
H
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
work
with
you
and
then
with
the
goal,
if
we're
going
to
be
dark
in
in
august,
which
is
fine,
then
I'll
work
with
you
so
that
we
have
a
draft
of
the
roadmap
to
staff
report
and
my
energy
ordinance
and
this
cost
efficiency
all
ready
for
discussion
of
the
september
7th
green
building,
solar
yeah.
That
sounds
great
all
right
that
that
that's
fine,
if
you
can
get
whatever
you
have
but
blaze
works
in
between
you,
can
look
like
that
right,
right,
okay,
thank
you.
A
Sure
so,
at
our
last
meeting
we
kind
of
broached
the
idea
of
trying
to
do
a
strategic
planning
session
kind
of
a
get
to
know
you
session,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
new
members
in
the
september
time
frame.
A
I
think
there
is
still
some
lingering
concerns
around
kovid
and
the
interest
in
getting
together.
A
I
think
the
numbers
will
play
out
here
over
the
next
month
and
we
can
maybe
revisit
how
we
have
that
session,
but
I
think
that
we
still
need
to
land
on
a
date
for
that
and
kind
of
nail
that
down,
but
the
the
other
thing
I
will
say
along
that
lines
is
that
I
don't
know
that
the
city,
the
city
is
in
the
process
of
figuring
out
how
best
to
bring
people
back
in
person
and
do
hybrid
type
meetings
from
a
technology
perspective.
A
A
It
may
be
a
case
where
people
need
to
make
decisions
about
whether
or
not
they
want
to
participate,
in
which
case
there
will
be
a
virtual
option,
and
so
we
could
have
a
hybrid
kind
of
off-site
as
well
as
hybrid
meetings
going
forward.
So
so
anyway.
So
I,
I
think,
we'll
we'll
kind
of
play
it
by
ear
and
kind
of
monitor
that
as
we
go
forward.
A
But
but
I
did
want
to
talk,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
about
and
get
some
feedback
from
people
about
the
kinds
of
things
they
might
want
to
do
there,
and
I
wanted
to
start
by
talking
about
our
priority
planning
process.
So
david
referred
to
the
fact
that
we
are
starting,
we
we
did.
A
The
strategic
planning
ad
hoc
subcommittee
did
meet
a
couple
of
days
ago
and
or
yesterday
I
guess
it
was,
and
we
did
talk
about
kind
of
moving,
that
process
forward
and
developing
eventually
a
new
strategic
plan,
probably
in
the
next
year,
but
as
a
start
to
that.
What
we
are
doing
in
our
subcommittee
and
we
would
certainly
welcome
any
other
participants
in
that
process-
is
to
review
the
sustainability
strategy.
A
The
current
one
and
identify
things
that
may
be
either
outdated
or
no
longer
as
important
and
also
identify
those
things
that
we
definitely
want
to
carry
forward.
So
so
to
take
a
look
at
that
document
and
really
analyze
it
and
figure
out
kind
of
where
things
may
fall,
and
so
in
some
cases,
it'll
be
just
things
that
are
outdated.
In
other
cases,
it
may
be
things
that
are
less
of
a
priority
for
us
moving
forward.
A
So
that
is
what
that
group
is
doing
at
the
same
time,
and
probably
probably
exactly
at
the
same
time,
city
council
is
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
all
of
the
committees
and
commissions
to
work
with
them
to
identify
priorities
that
the
council
should
consider
as
sort
of
city-wide
priorities,
and
so
we
will
be
doing
an
exercise
to
inform
that
process.
But
it
will
flow
directly
from
the
other
discussions
that
we're
having
from
a
priority
setting
context.
A
So
it
does
speak
to
the
need
for
us
to
get
together
for
probably
a
longer
period
of
time
than
just
a
couple
of
hours
in
an
evening
to
do
some
of
that
discussion,
and
it
certainly
would
be
easier
if
we
were
in
in
person
in
some
ways,
because
we
could
put
things
on
the
wall
and
talk
to.
You
know
how
use
sticky
pads
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
which
we
haven't
used
in
a
year
a
year
and
a
half
so
anyway.
A
So
I
think
it
could
be
a
good
exercise
for
us
and
we
could
also
do
it
in
a
socially
distanced
way
at
the
convention
center.
So
people
still
had
concerns.
We
could
do
that.
We
could
also
ask
people
to
wear
masks
so
anyway.
A
So
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
options
for
us,
but
I
do
want
to
see
if
others
had
anything
else
that
they
might
like
to
accomplish
during
that
kind
of
a
meeting
so
that
we
can
start
to
think
about
how
long
that
might
be
and
what
other
kinds
of
things
we
want
to
cover.
So
so
I'll
pause
there
for
a
minute.
A
G
Input
on
it
would
be
nice
from
the
the
subcommittee
to
have
like
sort
of
a
summary
of
their
analysis
in
terms
of
what's
outdated
in
the
current
system,
sustainability
master
plan
and
what
some
new
issues
might
be
and
allow
commissioners
to
comment
on
that.
Prior
to
the
get
together
and.
K
A
K
A
That
I
had
mentioned
this
before,
but
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
asked
to
do
is
to
better
align
or
kind
of
integrate
our
sustainability
plan
into
the
general
plan.
A
So
if
you
think
about
it
in
in
three
ways
we're
going
to
be
doing
three
things
at
the
same
time,
so
one
is
an
immediate
one-year
outlook
of
what
are
our
priorities
for
the
next
year
for
council
number,
two
is
what
is
kind
of
a
near-term
five-year
outlook
that
would
sort
of
get
integrated
into
the
sustainability
plan,
and
the
third
thing
is:
what
are
those
bigger
picture,
longer-term
kinds
of
things
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
from
a
general
plan
update
perspective,
which
is
like
20
years
out
so
so
again,
I
think
that
those
those
three
things
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
kind
of
address
here
in
the
next
six
months.
K
A
What
I
would
envision
is
that
there's
probably
a
little
consolidation
that
used
to
happen
with
that
plan,
because
the
climate
was
in
one
section.
Energy
efficiency
was
in
another
section
and
I
think
there
was
an
another
one
that
was
kind
of
related.
So
so
I
think,
there's
probably
a
consolidation
that
needs
to
happen,
and
I
I
would
envision
that
that
climate
action
roadmap
becomes
the
actions
that
are
within
that
that
section
of
the
document.
A
So
I
think
it
directly
informs
that
and
if
you,
the
concept
behind
the
the
road
map
was
really
to
get
a
little
bit
more
feedback
from
council
as
to
here
are
some
things
that
we're
thinking
of.
Are
we
going
in
the
right
direction
or
is
there
something
you
don't
want
to
touch
that
kind
of
thing
so
that
we
had
a
little
bit
more
direction
to
say:
okay,
yeah,
we've
kind
of
got
their
blessing
to
go
forward,
so
so
anyway.
H
And
the
work
that
I'm
doing
it
reflects
that,
as
I
mentioned
email
yesterday,
the
climate
action
section
of
the
the
gag
section
of
the
sustainability
plan
should
be
can
be
essentially
replaced
and
looked
at
more
concrete
actions,
because
that
informs
our
entire
really
all
of
the
actions
that
we
would
take.
So
it's
not
it's
it's
not
it's
not
distinct.
It's
it's!
It's
part
of
the
rest
of
the
package.
A
And
again,
I
don't
think
we
have
to
have
all
the
answers
in
that
september
session.
I
think
we
hit
hit
it
at
the
higher
level
stuff,
and
you
know
these
are
the
things
that
are
most
important
and
then
we
can
work
on
the
sub
subtext
to
that
yeah.
Okay,
all
right
so
we'll
plan
on
that
going
forward
and
we'll
do
a
little
more
work
in
in
trying
to
figure
out
a
date
too,
and
I'm
thinking
that
actually
it
may
be
well
we'll
look
at
a
calendar
and
kind
of
throw
out
some
more
dates.
B
A
A
So
I
confess
I
haven't
gone
through
a
lot
of
the
detail
of
the
text
in
here,
but
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
weren't
any
big
topics
that
we
were
missing.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
kind
of
explained
desert
community
energy.
A
We
talked
about
the
leap
lower
ordinance,
we
talked
about
recycling
and
where
to
go
to
get
things
recycled
in
particular
periodic
shredding
events.
It's
always
something
people
ask
about
water
conservation
is
a
big
topic
right
now.
I
want
to
make
sure
we
emphasize
that
the
hhw
facility
we
get
questions
about
that
all
the
time
on
the
battery
recycling
program.
A
That's
going
to
heat
up
now
that
facilities
are
open
and,
of
course,
maybe
some
mention
of
the
food
ware,
ordinance,
ev
charger
infrastructure,
there's
just
a
lot
that
we
could
put
in
there,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
guys
had
anything
else
that
you
thought
needed
to
be
covered
in
that,
so
that
we
could
kind
of
figure
out
what
the
universe
of
information
was,
so
that
we
could
figure
out
the
formatting.
So.
H
E
J,
we're
probably
looking
at
the
same
thing
jake,
but
you
mentioned
bicycles,
the
beginning,
but
I'd
like
to.
If
we
could
get
a
couple
sentences,
maybe
that
we're
investigating
adding
new
paths
and
this
we
would
put
a
bunch
of
new
signage
and
some
new
racks
up
and
we'd
like
to
solicit
more
feedback
requests
or
concerns
about
your
bicycling
experience
minimum.
A
K
And
then
my
follow-up,
I
was
going
to
bring
that
up.
So
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
Jim
second
is:
how
frequently
are
you
planning?
Would
we
be
planning
to
put
something
out
like
this?
Is
it
monthly?
Is
it
quarterly.
A
So
I
would
envision
it
would
be.
Probably
semi-annually
got
it.
Probably.
I
don't
know
that.
There's
a
well,
I
mean
there's
stuff
team
changes
all
the
time,
but
right,
but
I
think
initially
we
were
thinking.
Maybe
just
try
it
twice
a
year
and
see
how
that
works
works
got
it.
K
Thank
you
and
the
other
piece
that
I
thought
might
be
nice
as
sort
of
an
additional
area
and
color
in
the
1383
piece
would
be
to
mention
that
there's
a
new
local
composting
coalition
for
resource
recovery
for
people,
so
that
we
could
start
like
as
a
group
promoting
that,
because
I
think
it
adds
that
additional
color
around
education
and
why
the
importance
of
waste
diversion
etc.
So
it
sort
of
starts
the
tone,
and
so
I
granted.
If
that's,
why
I
was
asking
about
the
frequency,
because
I
realized
that
that's
not
done
yet.
K
So
I
know
that
we
don't
want
to
be
premature
in
mentioning
it.
So
it
seems
like
this
would
be
a
great
place
to
put
something
like
that
when
we
get
to
a
point
to
do
something
like
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
as
well,
because
I
know
yeah.
A
D
A
F
First,
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
and
I
think
the
the
announcement
is
lovely
in
the
way
that
it's
written,
especially
the
intro.
It's
really
nice,
I
it's
not
necessarily
it's
not
a
comment
about
a
topic
per
se,
but
my
recommendation
would
be
to
it.
It
kind
of
seems
like
there's
three
different
lines
of
communication
happening
currently,
there's
there's
a
progress
updates
for
what
the
sustainability
commissioner,
what
this
is
what
the
city
is
progressing
on,
there's
kind
of
an
education
component
of
like.
Why
is
this
stuff
important?
F
You
have
those
three
lines
of
communications
and
it's
a
different
audience.
I
think
that
would
be
interested
in
each
of
those
lines
and
to
give
it
all
a
huge
mass
of
text
at
one
time.
I
think
it's
unlikely,
unfortunately,
that
many
people
would
would
get
very
fogged
through
it
and
if
they
do
get
far
through
it,
they're
not
probably
going
to
remember
just
all
that
information
that
we
gave
them.
So
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
I
would
especially
for
doing
it
on
a
regular
basis,
maybe
split
up
those
lines
with
communication.
F
One
is
just
like
you're
a
new
resident
keep
this
copy,
keep
this
form
to
refer
to
when
you
have
questions
about
how
to
use
and
dispose
of
your
waste,
and
it's
just
bullet
points
of
recycling
batteries,
electronic
waste
and
kind
of
like
you
keep
that
in
your
junk
drawer
at
home.
So
you
know
how
to
refer
to
it
and
then
maybe
a
separate
newsletter.
That's
like
palm
springs
cares
about
sustainability,
and
this.
This
is
what
we've
been
working
on
this
year.
F
Thank
you
for
your
support
and
kind
of
split
those
apart
to
increase
the
chances
of
people
reading
and
retaining
and
using
the
information
that
we
give.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
great
point
and
I
think
that
that
is
kind
of
originally.
When
we
envisioned
this.
It
was
maybe
a
couple
of
things
right,
so
maybe
it's
like
a
magnet
or
a
one
pager
that
you
can
post
on
your
fridge.
That
here
are
the
rest,
all
the
sustainability
resources,
you'll
need
and
whether
it's
recycling,
whether
it's
you
know
the
phone
number
for
industry,
community
energy,
the
phone
number
for
the
household
hazardous
waste
facility,
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
so
quick
reference,
sort
of
guide
and
then
you're
right.
A
I
think,
there's
another
body
of
information:
that's
a
little
bit
more
news,
newslettery
sort
of
contente,
so
you're
right,
yep,
that's
a
good
point!.
I
Hey
patrick,
I
was
thinking
similar
to
alexa.
Perhaps
it
could
be
broken,
because
if
I
got
this
email
I
kind
of
scan
it
and
it
would
go
in
the
trash
and
wait.
Quite
honestly,
maybe
if
we
just
broke
it
down
into
like
a
cardboard,
something
short
that
people
can
read
by
the
time
they
walk
from
the
mailbox
to
the
front
door.
I
F
And
quickly,
another
quick
follow-up,
I
think,
there's
also
an
option
to.
Obviously
we
can't
be
paying
to
send
stuff
all
the
time.
But
if
you
had
a
link
or
some
a
qr
code
that
for
those
of
you
that
are
interested
in
the
longer
version
of
the
story,
scan
here
and
directs
them
online
and
has
a
more
difficult
version.
Yep.
A
G
We
go,
this
is
minor,
but
it
actually
relates
to
what
alex
and
carl
were
saying,
which
is
that
I
I,
with
the
volume
of
the
material
I
found
myself
getting
lost
between
what
was
being
talked
about,
what
palm
springs,
the
people
do
versus
palm
springs,
the
city
does,
and
so,
if
we
want
to
create
a
culture,
we
need
to
separate
out.
This
is
what
the
city
does.
This
is
what
the
people
do
if
we
want
to
create
a
culture
of
sustainability.
So
that's
that
was
just
confusion.
Great
that
makes
sense.
Yeah.
H
A
B
One
thing
that
came
up
a
couple
of
years
ago,
in
our
wastewater,
when
we
were
talking
to
plum
springs
disposal
is
I
I
don't
remember
exactly
what
we
were
talking
about
educating
people
about,
but
they
were
open
to
including
flyer
with
their
bills,
and
I
was
thinking
we
work
closely
with
them.
We
work
closely
with
dwa
and
there's
a
lot
of
you
know.
There
are
water
topics
there.
There
are
waste
reduction
topics
there.
Perhaps
we
can
split
them
up
and
use
them
to
send
them
out
with
their
bills.
B
I
Except
sure
clark,
most
people
now
don't
get
paper
bills
anymore-
that
that
blocks
my
mind.
I
don't.
A
Yeah
yeah:
that's
the
challenge
that
we
kind
of
ran
into
with
the
psds
flyers.
I
think
that
they
have
them
on
their
website.
But
again
most
people
do
their
bills
automatic
and
don't
even
go
there
anymore.
So
yeah,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
that's
great!
So
yeah!
If
you
guys
have
any
additional
comments,
send
it
to
tracy
and
I
and
we
will
be
working
on
that
over
the
next
month
or
so.
H
Okay,
thank
you
trick
clark
I'll
try
to
keep
this
brief.
A
couple
of
points
I'm
working
on
with
patrick
on
a
sustainability
issues
for
cannabis
facilities
forum,
so
we'll,
hopefully
have
a
meeting
and
trying
to
get
that
out.
You
know
this
this
summer,
early
in
the
fall
and
we'd
look
at
issues
such
as
energy
and
water,
conservation,
ventilation
and
solid
waste
management
and
then
separate,
but
somewhat
related.
H
This
came
up
through
the
planning
commission
in
their
approval
of
some
grow
facilities
in
in
the
area
north
of
the
freeway,
which
is
the
cannabis
over
lay
zone.
They
asked
city
council
for
some
direction
on
solar
for
commercial
facilities,
so
that's
a
whole
separate
issue,
but
both
of
these
issues
are
strongly
regulated
by
the
energy
code.
H
So
when
we
get
a
little
bit
more
vision
than
what
we
want
to
do,
I've
lined
up
some
folks
from
the
energy
commission
who
can
present
on
what
exactly
the
state
rules
will
be
speaking
of
which
the
energy
commission
posted
last
week.
The
final
draft
of
the
energy
code
for
public
comment
they're
scheduled
to
approve
it
at
their
august
11
business
meeting
next
tuesday.
H
The
energy
commission
is
holding
a
public
hearing
on
post
changes
to
the
green
building
standards
code,
so
I'll
be
attending
that
and
then
last
week
they
had
two
days
of
workshops
on
building
carbonization
and
they
focused
on
a
lot
of
the
new
technology
on
heat
pumps
and
water
pumps
and
in
particular
on
an
equity
side
how
to
finance
some
some
of
these
upgrades
for
low
and
moderate
income
households.
H
Another
regulator
that
I'm
following
is
the
air
resources
board
of
carb,
and
earlier
this
month,
governor
newsom
directed
the
carb
2
model
of
pathway
to
carbon
neutrality
by
2035
10
years
ahead
of
the
state's
current
goal.
So
I'll
get
a
little
bit
more
information
on
that
and
that
will
be
reflected
in
the
in
the
climate
action
roadmap,
because
that's
a
new
development
from
what
we
had
last
last
fall.
H
Building.
Decarbonization
is
also
one
of
the
core
issues
at
next
month's
online
california,
climate
energy
collaborative
forum.
I'm
one
of
the
speakers
on
a
panel
on
august
17th
on
the
cost
effectiveness
explorer
tool
that
I've
mentioned
in
a
couple
of
the
green
building.
Solar
reports
and
I've
been
using
that
to
develop
a
residential
energy
efficiency,
ordinance
and
I'll,
send
patrick
the
link
for
registration
event.
H
You
want
to
sign
up
it's
between
two
and
three
on
the
17th
of
august,
which
is
tuesday
and
and
it's
free
and
you
can
register
for
any
of
the
other
workshops.
That
might
be
interesting
for
you,
and
also
another
workshop
series
is
the
national
renewable
electric
cloud
lab,
which
is
energy
labs.
H
The
nrdl
national
renewable
energy
lab,
which
is
a
division
of
the
department
of
energy
feds,
has
launched
its
solar,
app
plus,
which
is
to
speed
up
getting
a
permit
for
solar
on
your
roof
they're
adding
some
features
on
battery
storage,
because
most
people
now
are
getting
both
battery
and
solar.
At
the
same
time,
city
council
had
expressed
support
for
sb
617
that
would
mandate
the
use
of
the
app
that's
not
going
anywhere
at
least
this
legislative
session.
So
patrick.
I
think
I
forward
that
to
you
and
you
can
follow
up
with
with
tasia.
H
Muriat
is
one
of
the
pilot
cities
here
in
riverside
county.
The
other
side
of
the
mountains,
so
tajiki
can
potentially
liaise
with
her
colleagues
over
there
to
see
what
their
experience
is.
But
that's,
I
think,
also
an
action
item
for
the
climate
action
road
map
to
get
to
get
some
action
on
that.
So
that's
very
quickly.
Just
a
lot
of
things
are
going
on,
particularly
at
the
state
level
that
I'm
trying
to
keep
an
eye
on.
B
Thank
you.
David
next
is
standing
subliminal
waste
reduction.
A
So
just
a
couple
of
quick
updates
based
on
what's
in
the
report,
so
one
is
tracy
and
I
did
go
downtown
to
do
a
little
trash
audit
last
week.
I
think
it
was
and
we
did
find
that
most
of
the
things
in
the
bins
were
not
recyclable,
despite
our
signage,
and
so
what
we
think
is
happening
is
that
our
signage
has
pictures
of
coffee
cups
and
other
beverage
cups
to
not
recycle,
but
that
doesn't
have
the
big
slash
through
them.
A
So
I
think
people
are
seeing
that
and
just
putting
those
things
into
the
container,
so
I
think
we're
gonna
work
on
that
signage
and
adapt
some
of
the
signage
so
that
it's
more
clear
that
those
things
should
not
go
in
there
so
anyways.
It
was
kind
of
interesting
when
we
put
the
signs
up.
Almost
everything
that
we
said
not
to
put
in
there
was
almost
in
there
exclusively
so
anyway.
So
that's
fascinating.
A
little
social
study.
A
I
did
want
to
mention
a
couple
updates
on
the
community
composting
front,
so
we
did
have
a
number
of
their
members
participated
in
the
scour
meeting
last
week.
I
guess
it
was
two
weeks
ago
and
during
that
meeting
I
had
agreed
to
potentially
meet
with
them
before
the
negotiations
were
final
and
the
final
agreement
went
to
council
with
regard
to
our
new
franchise
agreement
language,
but
I
sent
them
an
apology
yesterday.
That
said
that,
I
probably
can't
do
that,
because
I
can't
it's
not
really
my
role
to
do
that
so
anyway.
A
So
I
think
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
meet
before
it
goes
to
council.
But
but
again
I
can't
necessarily
guarantee
that,
so
we
are
continuing
to
work
with
psds
on
language,
for
the
franchise
agreement
overall
and
to
address
community
composting
as
well,
so
that
coalition
did
provide
us
with
lots
of
good
links
and
information.
A
So
I
passed
that,
along
to
our
group,
to
take
a
look
at
so
that
process
is
moving
forward
and
then
the
other
thing
to
know
about
that
is
that
we,
the
coalition,
is
doing
a
presentation
for
parks
and
rec
on
monday.
I
think
their
meeting
is
monday,
so
they
will
be
presenting
to
parks
and
rec,
which
is
really
the
critical
body
for
getting
anything
done
with
regard
to
a
community
composting
project,
because
it
will
most
likely
be
on
some
sort
of
park
property
if
something
goes
forward.
A
So
so
anyway.
So
it's
really
important
that
they
get
in
front
of
that
commission
to
at
least
get
approval
or
to
get
some
buy-in
on
the
concept
from
a
commission
perspective.
So
jake
question.
K
Yeah
thanks
for
providing
the
update
on
the
community
compost
coalition,
I'm
curious.
I
know
that
you
mentioned
that
you're
not
allowed
to
meet
with
them
ahead
of
time
to
provide
the
draft
language,
I'm
just
curious.
K
A
I
don't,
I
won't
say
too
much
about
where
we
are,
but
we
are
in
the
very
early
stages
of
that
discussion,
so
we
really
just
started
it.
So
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
if
I
I
we
have
questions
yet
based
on
what
we've
seen
I
do.
I
did
look
at
it
again
yesterday
and
honestly,
the
only
one
example
that
they
provided,
that
was
more
helpful
than
anything,
was
that
I
think
it
was
san
diego.
A
But
again
it
was
a
non-exclusive
franchise
agreement
which
is
not
the
same
thing
that
we
have
so
anyway.
So
that's
we're
looking
at
that,
along
with
the
other
information
that
they
provided.
So
so
I
think
we
can
take
bits
and
pieces
of
what
we
see
that
are
helpful.
But
again
you
know
we're
not
opening
up
the
franchise
wholly
to
to
renegotiation,
so
we're
trying
to
integrate
concepts,
as
we
are
able
to
do
that
so
so
yeah,
so
so
nothing!
K
Right
because
I
listened
to
this
scour
meeting
earlier
this
week-
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
really
wonderful
attributes
to
programs
like
that,
and
I
think
that,
even
just
with
the
commitment
around
diversion
and
education
that
otherwise
doesn't
happen
with
just
so
the
advocacy
element,
the
support
element,
the
trust
element
that
can
support.
I
mean
you
just
talked
about
you
and
tracy,
going
out
and
doing
an
audit
for
very
simple
things
like
putting
recyclables
in
a
container
and
everybody's
doing
it
wrong.
K
So
I
think
that
that's
a
perfect
example
of
where
these
types
of
programs
coexist,
they're,
not
really
in
competition
with
one
another
and
it'd,
be
great
to
just
be
able
to
as
transparent
as
they
can
be
about
it.
You
know
making
sure
that
this
is
a
win-win
for
everyone.
I
mean,
I
think,
particularly
since
you
provided
an
update.
I
don't
know
how
firm
this
is,
that
it
might
be
yet
a
year
from
now
that
they
won't
even
have
infrastructure
or
trucks
or
anything
else.
So.
D
K
I
mean,
and
this
community
composting
group
is
going
to
be,
you
know
if
they
move
as
quickly
as
possible,
given
getting
the
sighting
and
the
plans
and
everything
they
could
be
ready
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
and
you
know
when
I
look
at
the
numbers
that
come
from
our
climate
action
plan
and
the
ghg
inventory
that
place
works.
Did
I
mean
you
know?
K
K
That
says,
look
like
this
is
why
we're
calling
existing
et
cetera
so-
and
I
just
wanted
to
also
put
out
that
since
lonnie's
no
longer
on
the
commission
that
I'd
like
to
start
attending
those
scour
groups
just
so
that
I
could,
since
I'm
the
liaise
with
the
community
coalition,
the
compost
coalition,
just
so
that
I'm
involved
as
well,
so
that
I
can
keep
that
linkage.
K
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
known
today.
Great
that's.
A
K
I
do
have
one
more,
I'm
sorry
sure
you've
been
before
as
part
of
this
process,
that
you
were
gonna,
be
engaging
with
a
contractor
to
do
a
waste
audit.
Is
that
correct
so
that
we
understood
the
amount
of
like?
I
know
that
there's
an
estimate
of
what
we
think
the
organics
are
and
that
we
were,
but
the
only
way
that
we'll
really
know
what
we're
processing
and
what
we're
dealing
with
as
a
community
is,
if
we
actually
do
a
waste
audit.
Is
that
still
in
the
works
so
that.
A
Is
actually,
I
believe,
part
of
the
agreement
with
psds,
so
I
will.
I
will
take
a
look
at
that
to
see
what
the
requirement
is,
but
I
think
under
sb
1383.
I
think
they
are
required
to
do
a
certain
number
of
audits
during
the
year
and
so,
but
I
what
I
can't
remember
was
whether
or
not
that
was
for
the
performance
model
that
they
put
forward
as
the
state
or
if
it's
the
compliance
model.
A
So
so
let
me
check
into
that
to
see
what
the
frequency
was,
because
I
know
that
under
the
performance
model,
I
think
those
audits
are
done
more
frequently
as
opposed
to
under
the
other
model,
which
I
think
it's
maybe
just
annually,
but
either
way.
I
think
they're
on
an
audit
is
done.
So
let
me
I'll
check
on
that
to.
K
A
K
A
K
And
then,
with
the
numbers
that
place
works
used,
did
did
psds,
provide
like
tonnage
that
we
process
a
year
into
their
facility.
K
A
So
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
updating
that
annual
report
right
now.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
great
and
then
roy
at
the
end
of
this,
the
subcommittee
reports.
We
might
want
to
just
circle
back
and
see
if
anybody
wants
to
join
up
on
any
of
these,
like
we.
B
The
next
one
is
world
environment
day
we
had
a
report
from
jennifer
last
month.
Is
there
anything
that
greg
or
sandra
I'll
just
want
to
say
at
this
time.
C
Even
though
it's
it's
almost
a
year
away
by
the
time
it
arrives,
and
it's
through
the
u.n,
of
course
it's
already
hot
here,
so
we
know
it's
going
to
be
dealing
with
water
pollinators
and
shade
in
the
you
know
in
one
form
or
another.
So
I
would
say
it's
a
good
time
for
us
now
to
be
looking
at,
particularly
like
maybe
shade
tree
planting
program.
There's
the
npst,
which
has
a
national
shade
tree
planting
program.
C
Maybe
we
could
become
one
of
those
cities
because
during
the
winter
months
during
the
season,
that's
going
to
be
our
only
time
to
be
getting
any
of
these
plants
in
the
ground
if
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
survive.
So
I
would
think
that
if
we
prepare
in
advance
for
world
environmentally
and
not
wait
for
it
to
come
upon
us
we'll
be
in
much
better
shape
because
unfortunately,
the
last
two
years
because
of
koben
have
impacted
it.
But
this
last
this
last
season
with
the
inclusion
of
the
writers,
it's
it
was
phenomenal.
C
I
was
deeply
moved
by
the
profound
nature
of
the
work
of
many
of
these
cases.
Very
young
children,
so
guttersenberg
is
not
alone,
so
anybody
that
would
like
to
be
working
on
that.
So
that
would
include
the
pollinators
and
knowing
now
that
the
western
monarch
is
less
than
five
percent
of
its
population.
They've
been
decimated,
they're
considered
extinct
now,
but
not
to
give
up
and
there
are
other
pollinators.
A
Not
too
much
to
update
folks
on
there,
our
contractor
is
still
reviewing
the
data
that
was
collected
and
I
think
I
meet
with
them
again
tomorrow
afternoon
to
start
to
talk
about
how
that
data
is
going
to
be
rolled
out
to
the
community
advisory
committee.
So
there's
still
a
plan
to
meet
with
the
community
advisory
committee
to
talk
about
priorities
and
then
also
talk
have
a
some
sort
of
a
town
hall
meeting
to
do
that,
as
well,
so
more
to
follow,
probably
on
next
in
september.
On
that.
E
Jake,
maybe
I
can
start
here-
I
was
not
available
in
southwest
airlines
trap.
Last
time
I
wasn't
able
to
join
in,
but
I
think
jake
presented
the
discussion
from
our
committee
and
I
think,
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
that
the
big
focus
was
really
raising
awareness
and
I
think
we
discovered
a
lot
of
stuff
in
seabag
and
some
some
older
stuff
in
the
city
we
found
you
know,
budget
light
items
for
signage
and
maintenance
and
and
maintaining
maintaining
racks,
and
things
like
that.
E
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
interested
in
doing
is
sort
of
getting
re-entering
back
into
the
city
budget
project
process.
And
how
do
we
get
regular
items?
I
think
in
the
past
we
we
had
line
items
there
for
all
of
those
things
and
they
seemed
to
have
disappeared.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
the
next
steps
are
for
that.
Maybe
patrick
can
fill
me
in
separately,
but
and
then
the
other
thing
was.
E
I
think
that
we
asked
to
make
sure
that
there
are
some
set
asides
in
the
sustainability
budget
for
some
surveys
and
some
gathering
some
count
data
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
do
that
until
fall.
But
I
think
we
put
forward
a
number
there.
So
I
was
hoping
those
two
things
got
discussed
last
time
and
maybe
they
they
did,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
else
to
add.
K
Yeah,
that
seems
like
what
I
at
least
reported
on,
maybe
less
you
were
more
specific,
but
in
general
the
highlights
of
what
we
covered
in
our
report
out.
I
would
want
to
follow
up
also
patrick,
you
sent
jim
and
I
a
separate
message
about
that.
We
need
to
more
formalize
the
committee
meetings
or
I
don't
remember
the
language
of
how
you
brought
it
up,
but
I
didn't
know
what
you
meant
by
that
notifier.
We.
A
E
B
E
Patrick,
maybe
some
of
the
budget,
how
the
city
budgeting
process
works
could
be
something
we
could
discuss
in
our
a
break
or
we
have
if
we
do
a
breakaway
or
kind
of
meeting.
That
would
be
helpful.
Maybe
for
some
of
us
to
know.
A
Sure,
and-
and
we
did
include
some
money
for
outreach
kinds
of
things
and
we
should
have
some
additional
money
for
for
a
little
bit
of
work.
So
I
think
the
stuff
that
you
had
identified
in
there
was
was
doable.
But
again
we
can.
We
can
circle
back
and
figure
it
out.
We
right
now
we're
sort
of
in
that
weird
interim
period
where
we
closed
the
last
fiscal
year
and
we
haven't
quite
made
the
turn
to
the
new
fiscal
year
in
terms
of
all
the
money
coming
back
to
us.
E
And
then
one
other
thing
I'll
add
too,
is
that
brett
klein
sort
of
suggested
that
a
lot
of
other
municipalities
have
done
these
kind
of
surveys,
so
he
said
generally
they're
pretty
willing
to
share
them.
So
I
may
go
out
there
I'll,
probably
copy
you
on
it
when
I
request
some,
but
I
have
a
couple
in
my
sites
that
I
want
to
steal
some
survey
instruments
from
so
you
may
get
some
email
copies
for
me
on
that.
E
A
Just
kind
of
to
get
you
guys
thinking,
maybe
from
a
priority
perspective,
so
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
example
of
one
of
those
things
that
may
or
may
not
rise
to
the
kind
of
the
highest
level
of
priority,
for
maybe
like
the
council
or
something,
but
it
certainly
fits
nicely
within
our
two
two
of
our
priorities,
which
is
the
climate
action,
stuff
and
kind
of
walkability
and
safety.
So
you
know
to
the
extent
that
we
can
identify
here's
the
one
or
two
things.
A
We
really
want
to
get
done
this
next
year,
that
that
would
be
super
helpful
for
for
kind
of
moving
those
things
forward.
So.
B
We're
starting
to
take
a
broader
look
at
transportation
in
general
and
bicycling
would
fit
perfectly
into
that.
That
study
or
right.
B
A
Right,
the
only
my
only
additional
comment
there
is
again.
I
I
made
mention
of
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
taking
a
deep
dive
into
the
sustainability
plan.
If
there's
anybody
that
would
like
to
do
that
with
us,
we
decided
to
kind
of
break
up
the
plan
a
little
bit
so
david
and
roy,
and
I
are
taking
pieces
of
it.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
participate
in
that
we're
happy
to
give
you
a
piece
or
two.
B
So
please
please,
let
patrick
know
asap,
because
we
are
planning
to
meet
what
next
week.
H
Thank
you
quick
report.
Back
of
this
morning's
dwa
board
meeting
first,
I
provided
an
update
on
the
airport
demonstration
garden,
based
on
what
patrick
had
in
the
staff
report
and
second
order.
Overall
water
use
is
down
almost
21
percent
in
june
2021,
compared
with
june
2013
and
11
over
the
last
12
months.
The
governor
recently
asked
california
to
voluntarily
conserve
15
compared
with
last
year.
H
Dwa
per
per
customer
usage
is
up
about
eight
percent
compared
with
last
year,
but
that's
probably
because
of
warmer
weather
and
mostly
because
of
the
rebound
of
tourism.
So
it's
a
it's
it's
kind
of
hard
to
do
in
apples
to
apples,
since
the
city
was
closed
to
tourists.
For
you
know
three
months,
three
and
a
half
months,
practically
and
and
and
we've
had
a
lot
more
people
in
town
this
year,
so
they're
they're
monitoring
that
at
twi
and
that's
it.
B
Wellness
carl
anything
else,
nothing
else
and
finally
desert
community
energy.
H
Two
two
report
backs
from
there.
The
dce
board
held
a
special
meeting
on
july
7th.
They
approved
a
rate
increase
of
up
to
four
percent
for
carbon-free
customers
to
cover
the
additional
wholesale
electricity
costs
caused
by
the
drought
and
heat
waves
that
we're
all
seeing
there's
a
key
issue
with
the
large
fire
in
oregon,
fortunately
south
of
where
jim
is
blocking
some
of
the
power
coming
in
from
oregon
into
california.
That's
a
real
concern
right
now.
H
Second,
is
the
assembly
utilities
and
energy
committee
was
supposed
to
have
a
hearing
on
june
30th
on
sb
612,
which
would
help
ensure
that
community
choice
aggregators
such
as
tce,
receive
access
to
legacy
resource
benefits
held
by
an
investor
owned
utility
such
as
southern
california,
edison?
H
B
Thank
you
david
and
the
final
item
in
the
agenda
is
commissioner
comments
and
upcoming
agenda
for
our
new
members.
We
do
this.
Every
month
we
go
around
the
room
quote,
unquote
and
ask
if
anybody
has
any
additional
comments
and
suggestions
for
the
agenda
for
the
the
next
meeting.
I
I
generally
take
notes
on
that,
and
then
I've
been
working
with
patrick
on
establishing
the
agenda
for
the
following
month's
meeting.
So
we'll
start
with
carl
nothing
more
dawn.
D
Comprehensive
so
nothing
comes
to
mind
currently,
thank
you,
jim.
E
Nothing
for
me
thanks
ryan
david,
forgive
me,
but
yes,.
H
So
the
planning
commission
city
council
will
be
reviewing
the
housing
element
of
the
general
plan
at
their
respective
meetings
tomorrow
and
thursday
evenings,
and
I
submitted
comments
from
a
sustainability
perspective
and
I
sort
of
mentioned
it's
kind
of
my
theme.
I
really
would
like
to
see
the
sustainability
commission
more
involved
in
the
general
plan
update-
and
I
know
commissioner,
baker
you're
on
the
steering
committee,
but
particularly
on
the
climate
adaptation,
resiliency
strategies
and
the
safety
element,
that's
required
by
state
law.
H
So
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
initiatives
coming
along
with
climate
action
plan
and
sustainability
plan
and
update,
and
so
patrick,
I
kind
of
defer
to
you
of
how
you
want
to
work
with
planning,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are.
We
are
really
involved
in
that
process
and
have
the
opportunity
to
comment
and
more
than
comment.
You
know
provide
input
as
to
what
we
want
to
see.
H
So
it's
it
sets
the
roadmap
for
the
city
for
the
next
20
years,
and
and
and
we
need
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
we're
fully
reflected
our
our
our
concerns
are
for
reflection
that
in
that
in
that
document,
so
perhaps
a
a
further
discussion
at
the
september
october,
meetings
involving
planning
and
and
and
david
will
be
helpful.
C
Yes,
a
bit
of
a
heads
up
starting
in
the
mid-atlantic
states.
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware
of
this
there's
been
a
killing
of
songbirds
wild
birds,
particularly
the
young
birds.
They
do
not
know
what's
causing
it,
but
it
is
heading
west.
They
go
blind
their
eyes
get
crusted
over
and
then
they
die.
So
these
birds
are
dropping
like
flies
literally,
it
is
heading
west
they've
said
do
not
if
you
notice
this
do
not
touch
them.
C
B
Thank
you
I'll,
go
back
at
patrick's
request
and
and
mention
again
the
committees
and
the
need
for
members
on
some
of
the
committees.
I
appreciate
jake's
volunteering
for
scour.
That
committee
actually
was
down
two
people
because
of
lonnie's
and
rob's
departure.
B
The
silver
and
green
building
is
down
to
one
right
now
and
and
that's
a
key
committee.
So
I'd
like
to
encourage
you
to
think
about
the
committees.
You
know
your
interests
in
the
committees
and
those
that
do
meet
right
now
by
assume
is
an
opportunity
to
listen
in.
B
During
those
committee
meetings
before
making
any
kind
of
a
decision,
but
because,
as
we
get
busier
with
all
of
the
things
that
are
facing
us,
as
evidenced
by
the
fact
that
we're
having
a
meeting
over
two
hours
along
tonight,
I
think
it's
more
of
the
burden
is
going
to
fall
on
the
committees.
To
move
some
of
these
things
forward.
A
And
and
actually
don,
I
know
that
you
had
expressed
it
some
interest
in
scour
as
well.
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
were
ready
to
commit
to
that
or
not
so
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
scour
is.
That's
the
solid
waste.
Oh
okay,.
A
First
thursday
of
the
month,
typically
at
about
two
o'clock,
but
that's
flexible
right,
so
we
just
land
on
the
time
based
on
the
availability
of
people.
B
Okay,
so
our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
tuesday
september
21st
and
we'll
be
in
communication
about
other
things
like
the
off-site
prior
to
that,
but
so.
B
Thank
you,
so
I
don't
expect
there
will
be
any
objections.
So
I
will
now
adjourn
this
meeting
at
7
54.
and
thank
you
all
for
participating.
It
was
a
very
productive
meeting.
Have
a
good
night.