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B
A
Is
february
16th
meeting
of
the
palm
springs
sustainability,
commission
and
it
is
5
33
p.m,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
roy
clark
to
get
us
started.
A
Clark,
you
are
here,
rob
mccann,
are
you
on?
I
don't
think
I've
seen
him
yet
carl
baker,
jim
flanagan,.
B
D
E
A
All
right,
so
we
have
a
quorum
and
I
will
keep
an
eye
out
for
mr.
C
Mccann
I'd
like
to
welcome
all
the
commissioners
staff
members
and
visitors
for
visitors.
There
will
be
time
for
public
comment
later
in
the
meeting.
Please
keep
your
microphones
muted
during
the
meeting.
Please
raise
your
hand
to
to
be
called
to
speak
at
the
appropriate
time
and
then
unmute
your
microphones
and
for
all.
Please
do.
Please
do
not
use
the
chat
feature
in
zoom.
C
B
B
C
A
Yeah,
just
a
quick
update,
rob
mccann
did
join
us,
so
he
is
hello.
Everyone
that
was
member
of
the
public,
so
I'll
continue
to
monitor
that
to
see
who
else
joins
us.
With
regard
to
staff
comments
again,
everything
was
pretty
much
covered
in
the
the
memo.
The
one
update
that
I
have
is
that
the
city
council
did
on
thursday
approve
the
ev
charger
plan
for
expansion
and
and
they
to
proceed
with
the
leasing
with
carbon
solutions
group.
A
So
I
was
on
the
phone
with
them
today
for
a
little
kickoff
call
and
it
sounds
like
we
should
be
moving
forward
actually
at
a
pretty
rapid
pace,
because
they've
got
most
of
the
design
information
that
they
need
for
at
least
one
of
the
locations,
and
then
the
second
is
soon
to
follow.
So
so
anyway,
so
we
should
start
seeing
action
on
that
front
very
soon.
C
A
C
E
This
this
is
in
a
public.
This
isn't
a
public
comment.
This
is
just
I
thought,
it'd
be
a
good
time.
Can
you
hear
me
you
can
hear
me
the
on
number
five,
the
climate
reality
project
meeting
that
was
brought
up
here
by
patrick.
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
it's
I've
become
aware
of
the
sierra
club
has
put
out
a
beautiful,
very
insightful
and
colorful
one
and
a
half
pages
of
their
commitment
to
getting
rid
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
I
don't
know
some
of
you
might
have
seen
it.
I.
E
It
was
kim
floyd
who
sent
it
to
me
and
I
think
it
it
looks
like
you
know.
You've
mentioned
this
one
organization
there's
possibility
for
collaboration
there.
Certainly
this
sierra
club
notification
was
very
impressive
and
they
are
very
interested
in
doing
any
collaboratory
work
with
with
municipalities.
E
F
Chair
clark,
if
I
could
there's
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
that
I
have
for
patrick
on
the
ev
charger,
expansion
based
on
sort
of
some
of
them
were
covered
by
council,
but
I
just
want
to
get
a
couple
of
clarifications
now
that
I've
had
chance
to
sort
of
look
a
little
bit
more
at
it
and
read
the
staff
report.
A
few
questions,
so
the
purchase
order
is
funded
by
the
sustainability
fund,
at
least
in
part.
There's
also
the
of
course,
the
grants
from
eqmd.
F
F
Okay,
I
I
may
have
missed
it
in
the
staff
report,
because
I
saw
that
the
charges
worth
there
and
then
there's
a
question.
So
a
couple
of
the
units,
the
level
two
unit
charging
stations
will
they'll
their
dual
port.
Will
each
of
the
stations
be
full
power
or
if
two
cars
are
using
it
at
the
same
time?
Is
the
power
sort
of
have?
Because
there
are
some
new
software
that
does
that.
A
F
It's
called
power
management
and
that
was
reflected
in
the
the
powerpoint
that
I
sent
you
from
our
reach
codes
meeting.
So
I
thought
that
would
be
the
case,
but
just
wanted
to
find
out
so
charge
point
is
the
vendor?
Will
the
locations
be
showing
in
their
in
their
app?
So
this
is
for
the
user.
This
will
be
just
charge
point.
They
won't
see.
Carbon
solutions.
Group
they'll
just
see
charge
point
is
that
is
that
how
it's
going
to
work
yeah?
I
believe.
F
A
Just
by
just
for
information
that
chargepoint
is
the
provider
for
the
agua
caliente
tribe
in
the
spa,
resort
casino
parking
lot
too.
So
they've
got
a
number
of
units
there.
Okay,.
F
That's
good,
you
know
that's
good
saturation
for
down
down
one
last
question.
This
is
sort
of,
I
guess,
a
question
that
was
discussed
at
the
council
meeting,
but
technology
is
moving
very
quickly
in
this
area,
and
I
understand
that
your
comment
from
council
is
that.
Well,
you
know
it's
not
an
exclusive
agreement,
but
on
the
other
hand
they
are
getting
some
prime
downtown
locations,
so
is
there
any
incentive
other
than
they
want
to
get
the
revenue
for
them
to
update
the
the
stations
you
know
based
on
new
technology?
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
the
more
and
the
faster
that
people
charge
is
always
in
their
interest
so
to
the
extent
that
it
changes
significantly
in
the
you
know
near
future,
then
I
think
that
they
would
upgrade
the
units,
and
that
was
part
of
the
conversation
that
we
had
with
you,
if,
if,
in
fact
the
lease
terminate
or
the
the
agreement
terminated
or
for
cause
or
otherwise
at
the
end
of
the
term,
we
would
have
the
option
of
buying
the
units,
and
so
it
really
just
depends
on
whether
or
not
they've
upgraded
the
units.
A
Whether
or
not
you
know
so
so
anyway,
so
yeah.
I
think
they
would
be
looking
into
that
just
based
on
utilization.
B
F
C
Thank
you
before
we
move
on,
then.
Are
there
any
more
questions
on
on
the
staff
update
hearing?
None,
then
public
comments,
as
I
was
starting
to
say
I'll
ask
first
if
there
are
any
visitors
who
would
like
to
make
public
comment
before
reading
the
standard
statement.
D
B
Hi,
I
am
a
new
resident
to
palm
springs
relatively
last
september.
My
question
is:
around
residential
composting.
I've
been
tracking
your
internal
sort
of
documents
around
organics,
ordinance
and
such,
and
I
didn't
see
any
particular
explanation
as
to.
B
E
Can't
all
right!
Yes,
his
question
you
you,
you
want
to
know
the
status
of
personal
composting
for.
E
A
Don't
I
don't
think
we
can,
but
we
do,
but
we
do
have
an
agenda
item
for
this.
So
we're
happy
to
talk
about
it.
Then.
C
B
So
my
my
sort
of
general
question
is
sort
of:
is
there
a
pale
land
to
have
residential
composting
for
the
community?
B
I
understand
that
as
a
restaurant
owner,
you
can
call
in
and
have
your
own
program
set
up
as
a
restaurant,
but
didn't
appear
to
be
something
that
a
resident
could
could
achieve,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
where
we
are
in
that
space
for
the
city
and
what
the
direction
looks
like
and
what
kind
of
timeline
etc,
which
may
already
be
part
of
your
your
update,
but
that
was
sort
of
what
I
wanted
to
ask
in
case.
It
wasn't
part
of
your
update,
great.
C
C
Okay
hearing
none
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
in
the
agenda,
which
is
presentations,
there
are
none.
So
the
next
item
is
meeting
minutes
for
the
january
19th
regular
meeting
the
meetings
were
emailed
and
posted
on
on
thursday
february
11th.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes.
E
C
G
C
Okay,
thank
you
now
we'll
move
on
to
old
business
and
the
first
item
is
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory,
patrick.
A
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
I'm
gonna
sorry,
I'm
gonna
minimize
my
screen
here,
so
I
wanted
to
go
through
with
you.
Some
of
the
highlights
from
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
report
that
we
received
from
our
consultant
I
had
mentioned
in
previous
meetings.
A
They
had
been
working
on
this
for
a
while
and
were
got
delayed
because
they
were
waiting
for
a
data
set
on
vehicle
miles,
traveled
that
just
recently
became
available,
so
they
prepared
a
short
memo
describing
their
results
for
the
2010
update,
as
well
as
the
2018
assessment
they
presented
to
us
at
the
solar
and
green
building
subcommittee
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago.
So
we
were
able
to
get
a
preview
of
that
and
I
wanted
to
share
some
of
the
information
with
you
guys
tonight.
A
Again,
it's
a
fairly
high
level
at
this
point
and
it's
draft.
So
if
there's
any
questions
you
guys
have,
I
can
relay
those
to
the
contractor
and
we
can
get
those
addressed
and
and
also
kind
of,
have
a
discussion
about
some
of
the
high-level
findings
at
this
point,
so
just
real
quickly,
I'll
kind
of
run
through
some
of
the
elements
of
the
presentation.
The
the
name
of
the
contractor
was
place,
works
and
eli.
A
So
the
biggest
thing
with
regard
to
the
2010
data
set
and,
as
you
may
recall,
the
city
did
a
an
initial
admissions
greenhouse
gas
inventory
in
2010,
which
was
released
in
2013,
and
it
used
basically
the
best
available
information
at
the
time.
A
And
so
what
we
asked
place
works
to
do
was
to
go
back
and
look
at
2010
and
do
an
update
for
2018
so
that
we
were
comparing
apples
to
apples.
If
we
were
going
to
do
a
look
back
to
see
how
we
were
doing
in
comparison
to
2010.,
so
the
first
step
in
their
process
was
to
update
the
2010
information,
and
most
of
the
updates
for
the
inventory
were
related
to
emissions
and
other
methodologies
that
were
used
in
2010
have
been
current.
A
So
the
primary
one,
as
I
had
mentioned
earlier,
was
the
change
to
vehicle
miles,
traveled
information,
and
so
that
information
was
updated
to
be
more
accurate.
So
that
is
the
biggest
thing
that
changed
in
the
2010
data.
The
other
changes
were
fairly
minor
in
terms
of
their
impact,
although
they
did
align
the
data
better
with
more
recent
and
more
current
methodologies.
A
So,
for
example,
the
off-road
changes
in
allocation
of
off-road
equipment,
carbon
sequestration,
information
emissions,
factors
for
methane
were
updated,
based
on
their
greenhouse
gas
potential
and
so
anyway.
So
there
are
a
variety
of
kind
of
minor
changes
that
were
made
to
the
2010
data.
In
addition
to
some
of
those
other
things
I
mentioned,
so
I
wanted
to
show
you
their
results.
Basically
of
those
changes.
It
did
lead
to
a
result
in
35
percent,
more
total
emissions
in
our
2010
data,
and
that
was
primarily
because
of
the
transportation
data.
A
As
you
can
see
from
this
chart
here,
the
transportation
date
emissions
were
about
87
metric
tons
in
the
original
analysis
and
those
increased
to
254
000
ton,
metric
tons
in
the
updated
version
so
clearly
a
significant
increase
in
in
that
data.
Some
of
the
other
data
went
down,
so
you
know
there
were
some
adjustments
that
were
made
there,
but
anyway,
the
the
major
takeaway
from
this
is
with
regard
to
the
2010
data.
Is
that
the
major
emissions
change
to
that
original
data
set
really
occurred
in
the
transportation
sector?
A
So
that's
really
the
the
major
change
that
we
saw
in
that
data
set,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
guys
had
any
questions
or
comments
about
the
2010
update
before
we
get
into
the
2018
comparison.
C
Patrick
yes,
I
just
had
one
comment
about
the
update
and
that
was
relating
to
the
methodology
that
was
used
for
calculating
the
transportation
portion.
It's
explained
in
more
detail
in
the
in
the
report,
but
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
they
had
replaced
what
they
called
the
or
they
were
using
a
carbon,
an
origin
destination
method
versus
a
geographic
boundary
map
and
the
the
the
one
they're
using
now
really
considers
where
people
are
going,
where
they're
starting
from
and
where
they're
going
to.
I
thought
that
was
really
quite
interesting.
C
That
they'd
made
a
significant
change
and
also
thought
that
you
know
as
we
go
forward
in
the
next
months
and
years,
and
you
know
talk
about
reducing
our
carbon
footprint
and
where
transportation
is
the
biggest
contributor,
we
might
be
able
to
use
some
of
that
modeling
to
evaluate
different
scenarios
that
we're
talking
about
like
things
with
relating
to
parking
or
adding
bicycle
routes
and
so
forth.
I
thought
that
was
really
quite
significant.
A
B
Edgar
question:
yes,
rob!
Oh
sorry,
looking
through
this,
I
I
didn't
get
a
question
answered.
That's
very
straightforward
and
I
wonder
if
you
have
the
answer
to
it,
which
ab32
assembly
bill
32
called
on
california,
to
reduce
its
greenhouse
gas
emission
levels
to
1990
levels
by
2020,
and
then
the
city
passed
a
climate
action
plan
in
2013
they
called
for
reducing
our
own
carbon
emissions
by
seven
percent.
A
So
that's
a
good
question,
and
so
I
have
two
answers
to
that.
So
the
first
was
that
when
they
did
the
original
2010
greenhouse
gas
inventory
that
indicated
that
we
had
met
our
2020
target
already
in
that
data
set.
So
we
were
already
under
that
1990
level
given
changes
that
they
made
in
the
emissions
factors.
We're
certainly
well
exceeding
that
now,
if
we
don't
go
back
and
update
our
1990
data
set.
A
So
that's
something
that
we
did
talk
about
at
the
the
solar
and
green
building
committee
meeting
and
so
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
go
back
and
update
our
baseline
so
that
we
can
now
compare
it
to
the
baseline.
So
we
weren't
sure
if
that
was
going
to
be
valuable.
So
we
wanted
to
kind
of
wait
to
see
what
the
2010
redo
told
us,
and
so
what
it
tells
us
is
that
we
need
to
go
back
and
adjust
the
baseline.
F
And-
and
that
was
my
comment
as
well
just
to
make
sure,
because
we've
got
three
goals-
the
one
that
that
commissioner
sheriff
mccann
just
mentioned,
which
is
probably
you
know,
we'll
see
whether
we
get
there
and
then
there's
the
40
by
30
and
the
80
by
50,
and
so
that's
common
that
I've
raised
is
that
you
know
we
we
have
the
baseline
and
then
a
trajectory
of
you
know.
F
Where
do
we
need
to
go
from
here,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
scary,
a
scary
diagonal,
but
it's
very
useful-
and
it
goes
to
the
point
that
your
clark
just
mentioned
and
that
helps
us
sort
of
develop
policies
as
we
can
see.
Okay,
this
is
where
we
need
to
go
and
x
measure
will
help
us,
reduce
it
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
have
other
questions,
but
that
was
the
one
that
I
wanted
to
sort
of
is
my
preliminary
comments
make
sure
we
get
there.
E
Yeah,
so
there
were
some
things:
that
of
the
old
methodology
that
made
us
look
better,
but
there
are
some
things
and
there
are
some
things
that
made
us
look
worse
when
you
look
back
on
it
and
that
that
the
big
one
with
most
with
almost
every
one
of
them
is
actually
the
the
co2
equivalency
change
from
going
from
21
methanes
equals
one
co2
up
to
28..
E
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah
yep,
that's
it
and
it
goes
to
show
you
that
these
need
to
be
living
documents.
Quite
honestly,
you
can't
just
think
one
and
done
so
so
yeah.
So
it's
important
that
we
go
back
and
revisit
all
right.
David
roy.
F
E
A
All
right,
so
then
we
get
to
2018
and
again
these
were
very
similar
to
our
2020
numbers
that,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
the
ratios
are
pretty
much
the
same.
You
know
very
similar
emissions
and
scale
of
emissions,
so
there
wasn't
a
huge
change
between
2010
and
2018,
which
is
kind
of
good,
because
we
did
have
a
lot
of
growth
in
that
period.
So
there
was
a
lot
happening
in
that
time
period.
A
The
good
things
a
couple
of
the
good
things:
one
is
commercial
buildings
declined
in
terms
of
their
emissions.
Residentials
also
declined
a
little
bit,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
are
anxious
to
get
them
to
do
the
2020
look
ahead
to
incorporate
the
impact
of
the
move
to
desert
community
energy.
A
So
that's
going
to
be
one
of
their
next
tasks
is
to
do
the
look-ahead
to
see
how
what
we've
been
doing
may
have
impacted
our
numbers,
even
just
in
the
past
couple
of
years.
So
here's
a
nice
little
summary
sheet.
That
shows
you
where
some
of
the
biggest
changes
occurred
with
regard
to
the
data
sets.
Oh
yeah,
I
love
that
residential
energy.
H
A
So
this
is
a
breakdown
of
some
of
the
different
components
of
some
of
the
data
sets,
so
it
gives.
A
Some
of
the
increases
and
decreases
occurred,
but,
for
example,
non-residential
natural
gas
went
down,
residential
propane
went
down
alternate
daily
cover,
which
is
actually
we
talked
to
them
a
little
bit
about
this.
This
alternative
daily
cover
is
sort
of
a
non-issue
it's.
It
was
always
a
made-up
number
by
the
state,
so
it
really
had
nothing
to
do
that
was
reflective
of
our
actual
practices,
so
so
that
number,
just
I
I
we're
gonna-
have
them.
A
It's
the
alternative
daily
cover
for
waste,
so
essentially,
what
it
means
is
that
the
cow
recycle
assumes
that
some
had
assumed
that
some
portion
of
your
waste
was
used
or
some
portion
of
the
waste
that
you
sent
to
landfill
was
organic
and
it
was
used
as
cover
for
the
landfill,
and
so
they
never
really
did
any
analysis
to
figure
that
out.
That
was
just
sort
of
a
blanket
percentage
that
they
used.
A
Yeah
and
so
anyway,
so
that
that
number
is
is
this
should
be
zero
and
it
should
have
all
been
zero
for
a
while,
because
none
of
our
landfills
said
that
they
did
that
so
anyway.
So
again,
a
little
increase
there
in
water,
energy
use
for
water
and
wastewater
decrease
in
the
water
electricity.
So
anyway,
so
there's
again
so
some
fluctuations
up
and
down,
but
a
total
increase
of
just
one
percent
in
the
overall
emissions.
E
Well,
that
on
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
that
changed
between
2010
and
2018,
that
was
the
period
of
time
when
they
built
a
solar
array
to
you
know
to
energize.
B
E
A
A
It
wasn't
a
big
part
of
the
emissions,
but
off-road
equipment
increased
quite
a
bit,
and
this
is
partly
due
to
the
all
the
construction
that
was
occurring
here
time
frame,
so
it
just
gives
you
kind
of
some
indication
about
how
what
we
do
actually
has
an
implication
for
these
sorts
of
admissions
factors.
Sometimes
you
don't
really
notice
it,
because
you
don't
need
things
in
a
certain
way
so
anyway,
so
interesting
things
happening.
So
that's
really.
A
That's
really
what
I
wanted
to
highlight
on
the
the
data
front,
so
happy
to
take
questions
or
comments.
Any
observations
that
you
guys
have
in
addition
to
what
we
just
talked
about.
B
G
A
You
know
that's
a
really
good
question.
We
talked
to
them
a
little
bit
about
that
and
I
think
it's
probably
worth
having
a
more
in-depth
conversation
about
how
they
would
do
that,
because
they
did
describe
a
couple
of
things
that
they
could
do
but,
like
you
said,
it
may
not
be
very
fruitful
for
us
to
do
that.
A
The
only
thing
I
think
is
helpful
is
to
look
at
that
resin
and
again
maybe
it's
just
a
very
limited
look
ahead
because
I
think
would
have
been
impacted
is
by
desert
community
energy
and
the
twitch.
So
maybe
they
just
do
a
look
ahead
at
that
and
tell
us
maybe
what
the
impact
is
based
on
2018
data
for
for
that
portion,
because.
A
F
One
specific
question
and
then
a
couple
of
comments
of
one
question
on
the
2018
data-
and
I
didn't
get
this
when
we
get
our
committee
meeting
is
there
is
for
2010
the
city
inventory,
but
not
for
2018,
and
I
thought
the
city
is
included
in
the
community
because
of
wastewater
and
other
things.
So
I
I
think
it
is
an
aggregate
number,
but
it's
not.
That
should
be
clarified.
F
Just
sort
of
we
know
that
it's
not
they're,
not
two
separate
ones
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
want
to
or
they
have
the
data
to
separate
separate
out
the
city
from
the
2018.
I
wasn't
sure
why
we
had
the
city
data
for
2010,
but
not
for
2018,
at
least
in
the
at
least
in
the
powerpoint.
Let
me
just
put
that
way
is
they
may
have
the
data
and
it's
just
they
didn't
cover
it
in
the
powerpoint.
They
didn't
separate
it
out
of
their
materials.
A
Yeah
that
you
know
that's
a
good
question,
because
I'm
just
looking
at.
B
F
F
Yeah
it
just
sort
of
to
compare
that
and
then
that
sort
of
drives.
My
next
comment
specifically
for
the
city
is
that
you
know
I
see
all
these
city
council
reports
of
replacing
vehicles
and
and
sort
of
the
question
for
you
and
you
know
staff
is
you
know
to
start
giving
consideration
for
looking
at
evs
I
mean,
maybe
they
don't
work
for
police
cruisers
but,
for
example,
for
code
enforcement,
where
they're
running
around
town
all
the
time
and
as
the
city
puts
in
all
of
these.
F
So
if
you
could
sort
of
float
that
in
the
state
governor
newsom
as
you,
you
know,
announce
fairly
aggressive,
ev
chargers
and
once
again,
since
we
know
that
vehicle
mile
traveled
is
our
largest
contributor
to
the
ghg,
if
the
city
can
put
its
money
where
its
mouth
is
and
start
taking,
some
of
those
emissions
literally
off
the
road
by
investing
in
the
ev
vehicles
evs,
where
that
makes
that
makes
sense,
and
I
could
think
sort
of
for
you
know,
code
enforcement
might
be
you
know.
Definitely
one
area.
A
Yeah-
and
I
do
believe
that
we
need
to
have
a
strategic
conversation
about
fleet
vehicles
as
we
move
forward,
especially
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
haven't
done
yet
is
the
electric
vehicle
charging
for
maintenance,
the
maintenance
yard
yeah,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
what
it
is,
we're
going
to
be
purchasing
and
how
we're
going
to
move
in
that
direction.
The
other
point
related
to
that
actually
is.
A
I
did
have
a
conversation
today
with
somebody
who
works
in
the
hydrogen
field,
so
they
are
going
to
put
me
in
touch
with
somebody
who
may
be
interested
in
placing
a
couple
of
hydrogen
fueling
stations
here
in
town
so
anyway.
So
that
could
be
an
additional
element
to
our
our
alternative.
F
Energy
mix
yeah
that
that's
a
new
technology,
but
some
vehicles
have
that
and
then
sort
of
the
next
sort
of
you
know.
Rhetorical
question
is
a
combination
of
when
they'll
sort
of
finish
all
of
the
various
sort
of
loose
ends,
and
you
know,
are
you
planning
to
get
this
to
council
sort
of
next
month
april?
I
guess:
what's
the
plan
to
get
the
the
final
inventory,
the
council's
discussion
item,
so
we
can,
you
know,
sort
of
you
know
use
that
as
a
proxy,
for
I
guess
the
now
withdrawn
climate
action
roadmap,
which
right.
A
So
I
think
that
it's
probably
pretty
important
that
we
have
the
1990
update
before
we
would
do
that.
Yes,
otherwise
we
don't
have
a
comparison
point.
So
sorry
I'll
talk
to
them
after
after
as
as
the
week
goes
on
about
the
timing
of
all
that
and
when
they
think
that
they
might
be
done
with
their
current.
F
Okay
yeah,
I
I
I
strongly
agree
that
having
the
1990
data
is
critical,
then,
and
because
that's
the
one
that
sort
of
helped
us
drive
future
policy
discussions-
okay,
that's
it
and
then
we'll
just
add
this
to
you
know,
continue
discussion
of
the
committee
meeting
in
two
weeks.
E
Thank
you
roy.
There
was
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
mention
and
that's
you
know
the
change
in
the
state
protocols.
What
not?
That
was
part
of
the
reason
why
there
had
been.
You
know
these
changes
that
came
about,
and
it
there's
a
number
of
basically
their
references
that
they've
applied
to
this-
that
I
would
love
to
get
my
hands
on,
because
then
we're
going
to
be
able
to
use
them
going
forward.
So
I've
got
a
whole
list
of
those,
and
I
wondered
if
they
it's
kind
of
like
not
it
wasn't.
E
Their
job
to
you
know,
give
us
a
list
of
their
references,
but
I'd
sure
like
to
get
a
hold
of
them.
There's
one
some
in
particular
having
to
do
with
a
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
then
the
other
thing
and
that
code
generation
is
terribly
high.
I
wouldn't
expect
it
to
be
this
high
and
I
wonder
why
it's
always.
That's
always
seemed
to
have
been
sort
of
a
mystery
to
so
many
of
us
on
the
commission
and
then.
E
E
A
Okay,
yeah.
I
can
ask
him
for
clarification
on
that,
because
I
wasn't
sure
exactly
what
they.
E
E
I'm
sure
they've
had
a
lot
of
meetings
with
with
you
and
with
other
people
on
the
commissions,
but
I
am
really
disappointed
that
one
of
the
authors
isn't
here
tonight
to
explain
this.
A
A
A
And-
and
I
think
the
other
thing
is
that
we
are
still
waiting
for
the
actual
report
right,
which
may
have
more
information
on
all
those
documents
too.
So
yeah,
okay,
okay,
anybody
else
all
right.
So
so
I
think
my
big
takeaway
at
this
point
are
that
transportation
is
a
really
big
deal
and
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we're
gonna
manage
that
that
we
there
are
other
opportunities
for
us
still,
I
think,
on
the
residential
and
commercial
and
city
side
of
the
house.
A
E
E
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
and
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
feel
free
to
email
me
and
more
to
follow
on
this.
Certainly
so
all
right.
C
Okay,
so
the
next
item
under
old
business
is
the
smoking
ordinance
and
just
a
little
background.
The
commission
has
been
working
on
recommendations
for
the
smoking
ordinance
for
over
two
years.
In
fact,
it
was
two
years
ago
this
meeting
that
we
voted
on
a
proposed
ordinance
that
carl
baker
had
had
put
together.
C
In
the
meantime,
the
human
rights
commission
had
also
put
together
an
ordinance
which
we
had
a
copy
of
and
were
able
to
review,
and
since
that
time
carl
has
been
working
with
one
of
the
members
of
the
human
rights
commission
to
compare
the
documents
and
what
he
is.
What
he
has
presented
to
us
is
a
document
that
contains
points
from
both
our
ordinance
proposed
ordinance
and
their
proposed
ordinance
and
I'll
put
it
over
to.
H
Carl,
hey
patrick,
can
you
pull
that
up
for
me,
please.
H
Where
did
patrick
step
away
thanks,
patrick
so
yeah,
as
we
just
said
so,
human
rights
actually
did
their
draft
before
we
did.
We
were
unaware
they
had
one
and
we
worked
on
our
own,
so
this
is
a
redline
version,
meaning
you'll
see
the
strikeouts
and
the
editions
and
different,
hopefully
in
different
colors
everyone's
computer.
H
Does
it
differently.
It
may
looks
like
it's
blue
in
here,
instead
of
red,
but
basically
what
you'll
see
are
the
general.
The
bottom
bottom
line
is
prohibiting
smoking
in
common
areas.
Excuse
me
in
multi-family
residences
and,
for
example,
outside
of
public
spaces
like
bars
and
restaurants.
That's
that's
that
that's
the
meat
of
what
it's
doing,
because
currently
it's
already
illegal
to
smoke
like
walking
down
the
sidewalks
or
in
public
parks
or
in
playgrounds.
H
Things
like
that
are
already
on
on
our
records
on
our
laws,
but
and
also
added
you
see,
because
there
was
a
big
question
two
years
ago
when
cannabis
was
just
rolling
out
cannabis,
although
can
be
a
medication
that
has
a
prescription
but
smoking
it
out
in
public
is
still
illegal.
I
just
think
of
cannabis
the
same
as
you
do
as
alcohol.
You
can
have
a
a
six-pack
of
beer
in
your
trunk,
but
you
can't
have
a
beer
in
your
car
and
drinking
as
you
drive
around
you
can
have.
H
H
The
odor
we
treat
smoke
as
smoke,
so
the
other
big
thing
is
going
to
be
for
multi-family
residences
many
cities,
for
example
santa
monica
instituted
this
wow
eight
nine
years
ago.
So
you
can't
smoke
in
condominiums
or
apartment
buildings.
Unless
you
go
outside
25
feet
away
from
entryways
to
smoke
a
cigarette.
Obviously
you
can't
smoke
cannabis
in
public.
H
The
alternative
to
that
are
people
that
are
using
medicinal
marijuana
have
options
such
as
vaping
or
edibles
that
don't
create
the
odor
that
cigarettes
do,
although
we
do
and
so
bring
up
vaping,
we
do
tie
in
vaping
with
cigarette
smoking.
So,
as
you
know,
you
can't
go
to
restaurants,
sit
there
and
vape
at
the
dinner
table.
So
same
goes
for
cannabis
or
tobacco
products.
You
can't
vape
in
those
general
areas.
So
those
are
the
big
touch
points
the
rest
of
really
oh
and
now.
H
E
H
H
F
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
moved
that
the
palm
springs
sustainability
commission
vote
to
bring
forth
to
the
palm
springs
city
council,
an
amendment
to
the
municipal
code,
which
establishes
regulations
applicable
to
commercial
and
residential,
clean
indoor,
air
and
health
protection
to
regulate
tobacco
and
cannabis.
Product
use.
E
E
My
motion
is
to
bring
it
before
the
city
council.
I
believe
that's
what
happens
now,
hello
and
I
believe
that
I
I
would
like
to
move
for
this
to
pass
through
the
the
commission
of
the
sustainability
commission
with
a
rubber
stamp
saying,
a-okay.
E
Obviously
you're
not
going
to
write
that
and
for
what
is
stated
up
here
on
the
on
the
you
know,
the
title
yeah.
E
Yes,
I
can
say
it's
basically
an
amendment
to
the
municipal
code,
which
establishes
regulations
applicable
to
commercial
and
residential,
clean
indoor,
air
and
health
protection
to
regulate
tobacco
and
cannabis.
Product
use.
H
F
I
looked
at
my
notes
from
two
years
ago
and
and
unfortunately,
I
kind
of
have
the
same
I
do
have
not.
I
kind
of
I
do
have
the
same
concerns
that
I
have
last
year,
I'm
very
uncomfortable
with
how
the
ordinance
attempts
to
deal
with
cannabis
and
and
that's
exceedingly
unclear.
So
my
first
comment
is
what
exactly
is
supposed
to
be
covered?
There's
a
definition
of
cannabis,
but,
as
I
mentioned
two
years
ago,
it's
not
the
definition
in
the
city's
very
comprehensive
provisions
in
the
municipal
code
about
cannabis.
F
There
are
all
sorts
of
provisions
in
the
zoning
code
about
smoking
languages
and
there,
and
then
you
have
the
definition,
but
the
definition
is
only
used
in
the,
whereas
which
aren't
even
in
the
city's
form
and
so
there's
actually
no
no
use
of
the
term
cannabis
in
the
substantive
provisions.
There's
references
to
marijuana
in
the
definition
of
smoke
and
smoking.
F
So
I
assume
that's
what
supposed
to
be
cannabis,
but
then
I
don't
understand
sort
of
what
the
definition
of
cannabis
is
doing,
except
in
the
whereases,
which
I
I
don't
think
that's
very
helpful,
and
so
I'm
you
know
I
in
terms
of
tobacco,
I'm
comfortable
with
this
in
terms
of
cannabis.
F
I
just
think
this
needs
more
work
to
make
sure
that
it
does
not
step
on
anything
that
the
city
already
authorizes
and
if
it
is
intended
to
modify
anything
that
the
city
already
authorizes
under
the
either
the
municipal
code
or
the
zoning
code.
That
needs
to
be
a
lot
clearer
than
it
is
so
you
know
I
think
more
drafting
is.
I
can't
vote
on
this
just
because
I'm
just
uncomfortable,
it's
not
sufficiently
drafted
for
me
to
be
comfortable
to
vote
in
favor
of
it.
F
You
know
maybe
there's
more
work
to
be
done
and
they
could
be
brought
back
at
the
next
meeting,
but
I
can't
vote
on
it
just
because
it
doesn't
me
at
least
my
drafting
standards
with
all
due
respect.
It's
just
not
clear
enough
for
what's
intended
for
for
cannabis,
it
needs
more
work
in
that
area.
H
The
commissioner,
I
totally
understand
your
your
objections
and
duly
note
them.
There
are
lots
of
things
on
the
city
books
regarding
cannabis.
We
were
trying
to
attempt
to
just
bring
everything
in
together
at
one
page
at
one
time,
if
that
makes
any
sense,
but
yes,
there
could
be.
I
mean
you
have
a
whole
separate
ordinance
just
on
cannabis
and
smoking
and
vaping.
If
you
want
to
go
down
that
pathway.
F
E
I
think
it
goes
through
all
of
those
you
know
outside
those
those
situations
that
don't
fit
neatly,
but
in
the
last
two
years
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
way
we
think
about
these
things
and
anything
I
think
it's
been
clarified
or
it's
been
updated
to
where
we
are
now
so
I
was
able
to,
whereas
I
agree
with
you
two
years
ago
in
particular,
we
talked
about
newborns
and
intrauterine
pregnancies,
and
I
didn't
agree
with
that
at
all,
but
now
that
there
are
three
references
on
e
e,
the
e
smoking
is
that
called
anyway.
E
Yeah
that,
now
that
that's
there
it's
like,
oh
well,
that
takes
care
of
that
you
know.
So
I'm
I'm
really
good
with
this.
I
think
it's
time
to
move
it
on
and
get
it
on
the
books
and,
let's
move
ahead.
If
and
I
think
that
I
trust
the
city
council
and
their
legal
counsel
will
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
this
as
well
and
if
there's
an
issue
we'll
get
it
back.
D
May
I
say
I
I
see
an
issue
of
all
smoke
wherever
it's
coming
from
whatever
the
source-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
tobacco
vaping
is
really
obnoxious
and
it
isn't
smokeless.
D
I
think
some
of
the
cannabis
vaping
is
smokeless
and
you
would
never
be
aware,
so
I
just
think
it's
all
obnoxious
smoke,
no
matter
if
it's
coming
from
car
exhaust
or
or
whatever.
D
Is
also
it's
interesting
that
right
now
in
downtown,
there
were
three
cannabis:
smoking,
lounges
separate
from
the
cigar
and
a
cigarette
where
they
had
like
kind
of
a
smoker's
club
outdoors,
but
right
now
there
are
three
right
downtown
that
are
poised
and
ready
to
reopen
or
open
a
new
cannabis
smoking
lounge,
which
seems
rather
like
opening
a
bar.
I
mean
it's
social,
you're,
sharing,
you're
hanging
out,
it's
not
a
come
and
go
you're,
not
wearing
a
mask.
D
E
H
Lounges,
smoking
lounges
are
permitted,
you
just
can't
serve
food
and
they
have
to
be
closed
to
public
and
the
air
has
to
be
purified
and,
as
commissioner
friedman
mentioned,
the
city
now
has
a
a
measuring
device.
It
can
measure
the
exhaust
from
these
smoking
clubs
and
again
I
don't
have
all
of
those
numbers
to
determine
whether
or
not
they're
in
permissible
limits.
G
I
have
a
question
for
you,
carl
yeah,
so
I
I
tried
to
read
this
to
see
what
the
rules
were
about
multi-families
and,
as
I
understood
it,
you
can
only
not
smoke
in
common
areas
of
multi-family.
You
can
still
smoke
within
your
unit.
Is
that
right?
I
didn't
read
it.
G
Because,
maybe
I
didn't
see
where
that
was,
I
just
saw
that
in
an
enclosed
areas,
common
areas
of
multiple
families
are
off
units.
So
this
still
prohibits
people
from
smoking
with
in
their
house,
if
they're
in
a
condo,
but
they
could
smoke
in
their
house
if
they
have
a
private,
private
home,
correct.
H
Yeah,
that's
sure
that
is
that
something
that
can
be
considered
there
are
some
palm
springs,
is
unique
in
our
abundance
of
multi-family
units,
and
many
do
perhaps
only
share
a
garage
as
a
common
wall
that
I'm
not
sharing
a
ventilation
system
with
my
neighbors
and
I'm
significantly
far
enough
from
them
that
I'm
not
disturbing
them.
But
the
bottom
line
comes
down
to.
G
C
Is
my
concern?
This
is
something
we
did
discuss
in
quite
a
bit
of
depth
in
the
past.
I
think
we
were
looking
at
one
time
we
were
looking
at
it
like
the
way
hotels
are
covered
in
in
this
version
of
the
ordinance
ordinance
where
some
percentage
of
units
could
allow
smoking,
but
there
would
have
to
be
you
know,
information
would
have
to
be
given
to
the
tenants
and
and
so
forth.
It
was
somewhat
complicated,
but
we
did
discuss
that
in
the
past.
H
G
H
But
to
merge
it
with
the
with
the
hrc
that
I
left
that
language
out
so
say
you
can't
ask
for
it
to
be
back
brought
back.
That's
what
we're
discussing
and
who
knows
what
hrc
they.
Their
meeting
was
last
week,
so
they
already
met
for
this
month.
So
they
won't
be
able
to
discuss
this
until
the
march
meeting.
C
You
know
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
I
I
was
going
to
make
us
and
we
we
can
certainly
vote
tonight,
but
I
would
suggest
that
we
do
wait
until
the
hrc
meets
and
gets
some
feedback
from
them
and
if,
if
they
accept
it
as
it
is,
then
we
can
go
forward.
If
they
have
some
changes,
then
we
may
need
to
consider
those.
C
C
Could
vote
on
it
and
then
once
they
voted
on
it,
then
we
you
know:
carlin
edwin
can
can
collaborate
again
and
report
back
to
us
and
then,
as
far
as
going
to
the
city
council,
it's
really
up
to
the
city
manager
and
the
council
as
to
well.
D
A
So
can
I
just
offer
a
process
thought
which
is
that,
back
in
the
day
when
this
was
pulled
and
our
progress
was
stopped,
basically,
we
were
asked
to
go
back
out
and
do
town
hall
meetings
about
it.
So
I
believe
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
decide
on
all
of
the
different
questionable
pieces.
So,
for
example,
there
might
be
still
question
open
questions
about
what
we
do
with
multi-family
or
how
we
define
a
multi-family
unit.
A
But
those
were
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
would
maybe
present
at
a
town
hall
meeting
to
say:
here's,
the
guts
of
it
here
are
two
pieces
that
we
would
really
love
your
input
on,
because
these
are
areas
that
are,
you
know
we
couldn't
decide,
or
there
was
some
controversy
about
so
anyway.
So
I
think
that
that
that
is
perfectly
legitimate
to
to
have
a
couple
of
holes
or
to
have
a
couple
of
places
where
you're
seeking
further
input.
A
B
F
I
would
just
ask
patrick
I'm
I'm
fine
with
with
your
process
suggestion.
I
would
just
ask
that
if
the
intent
is
to
modify
the
current
regime,
that
council
is
substantially
debated
on
on
cannabis
and,
in
particular
the
various
cannabis
businesses
and
languages,
we
get
input
from
the
industry
on
that
and,
and
it
be
clarified
what
it's
still
not
clear
to
me.
F
Regrettably,
what
exactly
is
the
intent
to
modify
what
is
currently
authorized
authorized
and
so,
if
there,
if,
if
that
is
in
fact,
what's
intended
by
this
ordinance,
then
we
get
input
from
the
industry
about
what
what
you
know,
what
what
that
would
be,
as
is
it
I'm
not
comfortable
without
without
a
rather
in-depth
analysis,
comparing
this
to
the
existing
regimes
under
the
municipal
code
in
the
zoning
code,
I
see
conflicts,
and
I
can't
you
know,
can't
resolve
them
at
the
right
now.
B
I
would
like
to
say
something
when
this
was
brought
up
a
couple
of
years
ago.
I
think
a
few
of
us
were
concerned
about
the
multi-family
housing
units
and,
and
just
it
not
being
just
that,
if,
if
you
don't
have
enough
money
to
have
your
own
dwelling,
that
you
can't
use
cannabis
or
have
a
place
to
use
tobacco,
which
is
still
legal
and
I'm
not
being
a
proponent
of
tobacco,
so
I
think
that
you
know
I'm
pretty
okay.
B
With
with
that,
I
think
I
I
think
that
just
taking
away
individual
rights
in
in
this
way,
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
rewritten
as
well
and
particularly
with
the
cannabis.
Vaping
can
be
very
dangerous.
I
I
don't
just
because
it
doesn't
have
smoke,
I
think
it's
more
dangerous
for
the
consumer.
Then
it
may
not
be
bothering
other
people.
So
I
would
also
like
to
see
this
rewritten
before
I'm
able
to
vote
on
it.
B
I
don't
feel
like
it's
our
right
as
the
commission
to
be
taking
away
individual
rights
which,
when
we
had
some
presenters
before
they
they
presented
to
me,
they
said
well
when
one
person's
rights
begin
another
person's
rights
end,
and
I
understand
that
so,
if
you're
sensitive
to
smoke,
if
it's
going
to
bother
you
even
the
smell,
I
don't
really
understand
this.
You
know
talking
about
the
smell
of
cannabis,
maybe
you
don't
like
it.
I
don't
know.
B
H
H
Commissioner,
frederick,
you
raised
a
very
good
question
about
equity
and
home
ownership.
That
was
one
of
the
big
things
that
santa
monica
had
to
deal
with,
because
there
are
not
large
number
of
multi-family
units
in
santa
monica
as
well
and
they're
saying.
Well,
it's
not
fair
to
not
allow
a
behavior
in
an
apartment,
but
if
I
cross
street
to
a
single
family
resident,
I
can
do
the
very
same
behavior
and
it'd
be
legal.
H
Yes,
unfortunately,
we
couldn't
find
an
equitable
solution
to
that
conundrum.
H
B
D
I
would
I
would
say
in
my
building
we
have
10
historic
casitas
from
the
1920s,
it's
very
clear
in
our
leases
that
there
is
no
smoking
of
any
substance
of
any
kind.
Even
if
you
have
a
medical
marijuana
license
that's
very
clear
subject
to
the
end
of
your
lease
of
the
ten
casitas
here.
Eight
of
the
people
are
tobacco
smokers
and
they
all
smoke
within
their
casitas.
D
Now,
not
all
of
them
have
shared
walls.
Mine
is
set
freestanding,
but
they
you
know.
So
there
was
a
woman
with
a
young
baby
who
was
born
here
at
the
beginning
of
covet,
and
when
I
was
like
hey,
you
can't
smoke
they're
like
well,
I
don't
want
to
go
out
it's
too
bad
or
something
like
that.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
in
my
experience
is:
if
you're
saying
you
can't
smoke
here,
they
go
ahead
and
do
it
anyway,
but
they
do
it
in
a
in
a
sneaky
way,
so
they're
still
doing
it.
D
So
how
do
you
enforce
that?
And
it
is
legal?
It's
like
saying
you
can
buy
liquor,
but
you
can't
drink
at
home.
You
can't
drink
that
wine
at
home.
You
can
buy
tobacco
and
I
don't
it's.
Tobacco
is
a
nasty
habit,
but
I
feel
sorry
for
them.
D
You
know
and
they
regenerate
a
lot
of
taxes
which
were
you
know,
but
don't
they
have
rights
too,
and
I
know
in
texas,
they'll
have
smoke-free
places
or
places
where
you
can't
have
any
pets
at
all,
and
people
have
allergies
or
they
just
don't
want
kids
or
something
like
that.
So
they
have
those
places
for
people
who
want
that,
but
the
general
places
are
open
to
people
who
may
want
to
smoke
or
drink,
or
you
know
use
legal
marijuana,
not
in
texas,
but
you
know
I
mean
they
it's
it's
not
like.
D
You
can't
be
smoking
anywhere.
You
go
to
redlands,
you
can't
smoke
anywhere,
you
know
and
again
I'm
not
a
smoker,
but
I
feel
sorry
for
them
or
in
bad
weather,
they're,
huddled
around
the
entrance
of
office
buildings
and
you
can't
get
in
without
going
through
this,
this
cloud
of
tobacco,
so
I
mean
they
do
have
rights
too,
it's
legal.
So
I
don't
know
what
to
do
about
that.
E
I
I
guess
what
I
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
you
would
standard
that
you
actually
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
there
was
an
ordinance
that
you
could
call
up
and
say,
look,
you
know,
I've
got
this
next
door
and
I'm
allergic
to
it.
You
know
so
and
you
could
actually
get
some
movement
there,
but
I
mean
they
were
a
little
bit
at
the
point
where
we
don't
even
trust
our
ordinances.
D
D
More
leverage
against
them
taking
that
risk
because
they're
thinking
well
no
one's
going
to
rap
me
out
I'll,
go
ahead
and
smoke.
You
know
and
when
you
come
into
the
courtyard
you're
greeted
you
know
by
all
of
this
smoke,
so
even
in
the
open
areas.
So
it's
a
nasty
hobbit,
but
they
have
rights.
So
I
don't
know.
C
This
is
obviously
a
big
concern
and
it
goes
back
to
discussions
we
had
in
the
past.
We
do
have
a
motion
to
accept
this
as
is
and
and
move
forward,
but
everybody
has
a
vote
and
we
probably
should
do
a
roll
call
vote
so
that
we
get
an
accurate
count
and
if
people
feel
strongly
that
more
work
needs
to
be
done,
that
will
come
out
of
the
vote.
C
A
Share
clark,
so
so
just
to
back
up
this
is
voting
on
the
motion
to
carry
this
document
forward
to
city
council
that
that's
that's,
correct.
C
H
E
B
E
You
want
me
to
make
it
again
the
motion
I
move.
Okay,
I
I
move
go
ahead
with
this.
Do
you
want
me
to
do
the
whole
thing
again?
Okay,
I
move
that
the
palm
springs
sustainability
commission
vote
to
bring
forth
to
the
palm
springs
city,
council
and
the
other
body
of.
E
Citizens
an
amendment
to
the
municipal
code,
which
establishes
regulations
applicable
to
commercial
and
residential,
clean
indoor,
air
and
health
protection
to
regulate
tobacco
and
cannabis
product
use.
E
A
A
And
commissioner
flynn
again.
A
Okay,
commissioner
friedman,
oh
commissioner,
futterman.
B
D
B
C
C
G
I
think
this
is
the
same
policy
statement
that
went
out
before,
but
I
think
there
were
a
couple
of
minor
edits
that
david
had
proposed.
That
patrick
would
probably
should
have
accepted
they're
only
a
couple
of
words,
so
I
can
add
them
in
and
to
summarize,
really
quickly
it's
it's.
We
had
looked
into
pete
parking
and
we
had
found
some
kind
of
soft
softball
lob
approaches
to
feed
parking,
and
so
we
we
had
come
up
with
some
language.
That
was
just
a
little
more
specific
about.
G
You
know,
after
talking
to
some
a
bunch
of
you
guys
that
might
work
out,
and
so
I
think
the
edits
are
in
the
first
paragraph
policy
statement
under
gold
cr8,
the
last
part
of
the
sentence
such
as
walking,
comma
bicycles,
comma
public
transportation
would
be
inserted
and
then,
after
the
end
of
that
sentence,
parentheses
replaces
policy
statement,
cr,
8.11,.
G
And
I
can
read
that
one
to
you,
if
you
need
to
if
anyone
wants
to
hear
it
8.11,
yes,
8.11
just
said
the
old
language
was
ensures
that
in
areas
where
parking
and
time
installations
are
instituted,
the
maximum
parking
time
frame
allows
for
combinations
of
dining
shopping,
entertainment
activities.
A
study
to
determine
on
street
parking
and
prime
areas
within
parking
structures
should
be
available
only
on
the
pay
basis
should
be
explored.
G
And
then
the
only
other
changes
after
the
first
action
create
a
plan
to
identify
availability
that
replaces
action
statement.
Cr
8.1,
which
and
cr
8.1
just
says-
requires
sufficient
parking
to
serve,
employ
and
visit
our
parking
needs
so
we're
providing
more
specific
language
to
kind
of
move
in
this
direction
and
accommodate
merchants
through
this
on-demand
pricing
structure,
ideas
and
we're
kind
of
just
nudging
that
forward
in
the
general
plan.
Is
there
any
more
questions.
F
Thanks
for
including
my
changes,
there's
only
one
substantive
change
and
I
was
going
to
make
that
point,
but
thank
you
for
including
it
referring
to
public
transportation,
because
maybe
the
city
finances
will,
you
know,
will
support,
bringing
back
the
buzz
and,
and
that
clearly
is
an
alternative
transportation
method
for
downtown.
If
it
if
it
comes
back
again-
and
there
are
the
other
changes,
we're
just
sort
of
drafting
comments
to
the
general
plan
steering
committee,
they
know
exactly
what
our
language
was
supposed
to
do.
C
F
I'm
going
to
move
the
the
text
from
commissioner
flanagan
with
the
modification
that
I
suggested
about
public
transportation.
G
C
G
H
A
A
I've
got
a
list
there
of
all
the
ones
that
have
are
included
in
our
initial
round
of
payments,
so
all
those
folks
have
been
are
in
the
process
of
being
paid
and
should
actually
get
their
checks.
Next
week
we
did
have
some
requests
that
are
still
awaiting
further
information
or
further
action
from
their
request
stores,
so
we'll
continue
to
hold
that
money
until
we
hear
from
them
one
way
or
the
other.
A
I
will
note
that
we
did
go
out
this
week,
starting
yester
yeah,
starting
yesterday,
we
went
out
with
a
round
of
radio
ads
for
the
spanish
speaking
radio
stations
to
reach
out
to
the
gardening
community
about
the
availability
of
funds
for
leaf
blowers.
So
I'm
hopeful
that
that
may
generate
some
additional
interest
on
their
part
in
terms
of
questionable
or
things
to
discuss
with
the
commissional
commission.
A
This
particular
request
is
for
a
variable
speed
pump
that
you
would
normally
see
in
a
standing
pool
pump
unit,
but
basically
what
the
pool
maintenance
people
do
is
they
strap
it
to
a
cart
and
they
are
able
to
hook
it
up
whenever
they
go
into
a
home
so
that
they
can
vacuum
the
pools
without
actually
accessing
the
person's
system
or
modifying
the
person's
systems
to
do
the
vacuuming.
A
G
So,
patrick,
yes,
I've
designed
and
run
a
full
pump
rebate
program,
and
when
we
do
the
calculations
for
those,
they
tend
to
run
17
or
20
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
that's
when
their
savings
are
effective.
If
these
guys
are
just
using
this
for
an
hour
or
two
a
day,
it's
not
going
to
make
any
noticeable
difference
in
energy
production,
but
so
just
to
put
it
out
there.
A
E
Okay
to
that
last
comment,
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
we
just
had
terrible
terrible
windstorms
and
the,
even
though
it
took
12
hours
up
to
24
hours
for
the
little
tiny
seeds
and
stuff
to
float
to
the
bottom
of
your
pool.
There's
no
way
in
how
you're
going
to
get
all
that
stuff
out.
Without
this
exact
kind
of
pool
vacuum
cleaner.
Basically-
and
it
is
a
big
unit-
and
I
had
the
fellow
that
works
with
me-
he
brought
it
in
today
the
first
time
I'd
ever
seen
it.
G
F
Wouldn't
it
be
the
case
that
you
know
days
like
today
or
yesterday
that
the
pool
people
are
out,
I
mean
my
guy
was
here
like
at
4,
30
or
five,
which
means
he
was
and
he's
normally
here
in
the
morning,
which
means
he
was
at
you
know,
other
people's
houses
all
day,
which
means
he
probably
is
running
this
unit.
You
know
as
long
as
there's
daylight
he's
going
to
be
out
there,
so
I
think
that
if
that
would
be
the
case,
commissioner
flanagan,
I.
G
A
G
F
A
A
Right
so,
okay,
let
me
let
me
follow
up
with
them
and
just
get
a
little
more
detail
on
what
what
they've
got
right
now.
They
did
send
me
the
model
for
the
one
that
they
want
to
purchase,
and
it
is
a
I
mean
it's
a
good
unit,
it's
the
one
that
I
have
actually
at
the
house.
So
so
it's
definitely
a
potential
energy
saver,
all
right
I'll,
follow
up
with
them,
and
I
assume,
if
assuming
that
they're
replacing
an
older
pump.
I
assume
I
have
the
support
of
the
group.
A
Yes,
all
right,
I
see
not
all
right
great.
So
then.
The
second
question
with
regard
to
the
scholarship
program
is,
I
did
get
a
request
from
two
business
owners
who
operate
three
businesses
each,
so
they
they
own
three
properties
and
each
of
those
properties
would
like
to
take
advantage
of
the
program.
A
Each
of
the
properties
has
a
separate
business
license,
so
I
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
with
you
guys
that
it
it
made
sense
to
give
one
owner
more
than
one
scholarship
if
they
have
in
fact
more
than
one
business
entity.
Basically
so.
B
Yes
great,
I
had
two
questions
one.
What
is
the
remaining
balance
in
the
scholarship
program.
B
And
are
you
finding
the
number
of
applicants
or
requests
waning.
A
Multi-Family
properties,
so
they're
they're,
like
small
multi-family
units,
like
six
eight
units.
F
A
So
that's
a
good
question,
one.
The
the
initial
one
that
was
requested
was
energy,
efficient
lighting
so
out
to
switch
over
to
led
lighting
for
their
safety
lighting,
so
that
certainly
would
qualify
and
then
I
believe
that
they
had
either
similar
or
other
plans
for
their
other
properties.
They
were
just
very
excited
and
had
lots
of
ideas,
so
they
didn't
actually
propose
anything
specific
for
those
other
properties,
but
but
that
was
the
gist
of
the
request.
F
One,
I
think
that
those
are
exactly
the
kind
of
things
that
I
I
think
that
that
those
are
kind
of
the
people
that
we
really
want
to
encourage,
because
it
you
know
it,
it
has
a
substantial
effect
and
led
lighting
is
a
good.
You
know
is
a
good
example
subject
to
what
white
share
mccann
will
be
talking
about
shortly,
so
you
can
have
that
conversation
with
them.
F
Make
sure
that
it's
a
you
know
appropriately,
kelvins
and
and
and
shielded,
and
things
like
that,
but
I
other
other
than
that.
I
would
support
having
a
based
on
business
license
as
opposed
to
actually
owns
the
business
license.
Okay,
sandra.
D
I
would
just
say
if
there's
an
entrepreneur
like
that
who's
continuing
to
expand
investment
and
development
or
their
various
businesses,
I
think
those
individuals
or
those
partnerships
should
be
definitely
encouraged
because
they're
expanding
their
point
of
view
and
their
position
and
they're
bringing
in
success.
So
I
think
those
people
should
definitely
be
encouraged
clone
them.
We
need
a
lot
more
of
those
kind
of
business-minded
people.
A
Right,
I
was
also
thinking
about
some
people
that
own
multiple
restaurants
here
that
certainly
are
completely
separate
business
operations
and
that
kind
of
thing
yes
all
right.
Well,
that's
great
they'll,
be
very
excited
and
I'll
be
excited
to
report
back.
They
do.
C
A
Sure
so,
at
a
previous
meeting
I
think
commissioner
garrett
had
suggested
that
we
think
about
look
at
the
tree
city
usa
program
and
see
if
that's
something
that
we
would
want
to
move
forward
with,
and
so
what
I
did
was
I
just
downloaded
their
the
standards
that
you
have
to
meet
to
become
a
tree
city,
usa,
recipient,
and
so
I
wanted
to
include
those
for
your
consideration
and
other
than
that.
I
I
think,
that's
all
I
have
to
say
about
it.
A
D
I
didn't
have
anything
new
to
add
and
I
do
apologize
for
not
being
here.
Last
month
it's
been
challenging,
but
I've
kind
of
stumbled
on
to
this.
I
thought
this
is
a
good
thing
and
I
think,
as
many
of
these
kind
of
efforts
that
we
could
do
be
it
milkweed
or
trees
and
getting
involved
in
a
in
a
program
where
you
get
sort
of
an
official
designation
which
helps
with
tourism
and
people
wanting
wanting
to
move
here.
So
I
you
know
for
full
time
and
retire.
D
So
we
need
to
clean
the
air
plants.
Trees
are
the
way
to
do
it,
so
I
can't
see
any
downside
of
it.
I
mean
other
than
the
expense
and
the
cost,
but
planting
trees
is
a
very
good
thing
and
we
should
be
pursuing
this.
So
if
this
is
an
organization
that
we
want
to
align
with
great,
but
anything
along
these
lines,
I
think
is-
is
terrific.
C
One
thing
I
was
thinking
is
for
the
standards
one
through
three.
It
might
be
interesting
to
talk
to
mate
stacy
in
particular,
and
find
out
just
where
we
stand
on
those
you
know.
Do
we
have
established
procedures?
How
much
do
we
spend
on
tree
maintenance
and
so
forth,
just
to
get
a
baseline
for
what
we
do
in
the
city
right,
yeah.
A
That's
that
was
my
thought
too,
is
that
I
I
did
the
numbers,
and
so
if
we
were
spending
about
96
000
a
year
on
all
that
stuff,
then
then
we
would
qualify,
and
I
just
don't
know
where
we
are
with
regard
to
that.
E
E
So
one
thing
to
do
is
to
put
the
word
out
there
and
and
actually
try
to
compose
a
group.
I
was
thinking
of
them,
the
the
designer
for
the
the
garden,
the
gardening
project
that
we
have
and
if
he
would
know
somebody
that
if
he
lives
there
or
if
there's
somebody
that
he
might
know
that
it's
maybe
somebody
who's
working
with
him.
D
Also
is
this
something
that
we
could
interface
with
the
chamber
of
commerce
with
they
might
be
able
to
have
funds
or
something
bring
this
into
or
even
again
with
the
schools?
I
think
it's
an
exciting
project
and
for
young
people
students.
I
think
it
could
give
them
a
real
feeling
of
empowered
ownership
and
making
a
real
difference.
D
There
are
trees,
you
know
so,
but
again
I
I
don't
know
if
the
chamber
of
commerce,
if
they're
aware
of
this-
but
you
know
tree
city-
sounds
very
good.
Let's
go
there.
C
A
D
Would
there
be
a
some
sort
of
ceremony
that
would
be
on
the
local
news
or
something
or
letting
people
know
beforehand?
Unlike
you
know
before
where
it
was,
you
know
came
out
after
the
fact,
but
I
think
that
could
be
a
really
nice
yeah
well
feel
good
p.
You
know,
especially
nowadays,
you
know
here
we
we've
just
planted
a
hundred
trees
wow.
You
know
we
want
covered.
D
It
is,
though,
because
of
that
you
know
and
get
the
master
gardener
programs
from
the
university
and
the
you
know
the
you
know
the
arborists
and
my
sister's
one,
you
know,
and
they
they
go
crazy
with
the
butchering
of
the
palm
trees
and
how
you
know
they
actually
kill
these
trees,
which
increase
the
value
of
your
home
to
between
two
to
five
thousand
dollars.
If
you
have
mature
trees,
think
about
that
with
home
equity,
you
know
so
also.
D
We've
got
apparently
according
to
the
last
report,
from
see
that
in
december,
which
I'll
be
happy
to
send
on
the
yearly
report,
which
was
delayed
about
a
month,
they're
predicting
an
aging
population,
not
so
much
families
and
younger
people
coming
in
into
the
valley
and
palm
springs
in
particular,
but
aging
people
that
are
coming
here
and
specifically
they're,
not
driving
more
pedestrian
public
transportation,
which
means
shade
and
also
the
clean,
the
clean
air,
because
a
lot
of
them
are
coming
here
because
they
have
asthma
and
they
think,
of
course,
like
arizona,
warm
weather,
great
nice
and
dry
good
for
my
asthma.
D
D
You
know
from
their
studies,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
seniors
coming.
E
C
F
A
All
right
I'll
follow
up
with
stacy
to
find
out
some
of
those
details
and
and
see
what
we
can
do
with
regard
to
the
current
tree,
planting
and
potentially
with
the
program.
So
all
right,
so
I'll
follow
up
with
the
next
meeting
on
that.
A
Yeah,
potentially,
I
think,
if
we're
way
off
the
mark
in
terms
of
the
budget
that
we
spend
every
year,
then
I
don't.
I
think
it's
might
be
a
non-starter,
but
but
I
think
the
other
things
we
kind
of
do
anyway,
so
so
yeah.
So
I
think
we
could
probably.
E
Yeah,
I
just
gotta
say
it
is
gonna,
be
not
that
long,
we're
gonna
have
to
get
back
on
single
use.
Dinnerware.
You
know
that's
coming
right
up
and
I
think
it
is
now
to
start
looking
ahead
on
that
yeah.
In
fact,
it
was
something
that
was
and
contained
in
the
sierra
club
newsletter,
and
I
think
it
is
time.
F
Thank
you
chair
clark,
there's
a
lot
on
the
written
report.
Reports
I'll
try
to
keep
the
oral
version
short
as
usual
attending
lots
of
webinars.
The
energy
commission
is
moving
forward
on
the
energy
code
for
20
20
22
goes
into
effect
january.
123.
F
does
not
look
like
we'll
have
an
all-electric
baseline,
meaning
that
electric
equipment
is
is
standard,
but
probably
will
have
it
for
for
a
heat
pump
space
heaters,
which
is
essentially
an
air
conditioner
with
a
valve
that
just
turns
the
other
direction
and
will
heat
as
well
as
cool
your
house,
and
so
that
would
be
the
standard
design
for
our
climate
zone
and
there
will
be
some
pre-wiring
requirements
so
that,
even
if
you
have
gas
appliances,
their
house,
new
construction
will
be
pre-wired
for
clothes,
fryers
and
and
cooktops,
and
then
space
heaters,
if
they're,
not
water,
heaters
and
then
space
injuries
if
they're
not
required.
F
There
are
a
couple
more
reach
codes
that
the
energy
commission
approved
at
its
business
meeting
at
the
end
of
january.
You've
got
those
slides.
F
One
of
them
is
chula
vista
and
that's
the
one
that
I
continue
to
to
look
into
because
it
focuses
on
renovations
as
opposed
to
new
construction,
and
I
think
that's
where
I
think
we
could
probably
have
the
most
gt
reductions
here
in
palm
springs,
given
our
housing
stock
situation
and
then
there's
one
for
san
jose
that
just
got
filed
with
the
energy
commission
on
friday
and
that's
a
that's
a
gas
ban.
So
we'll
see
what
happens
with
that
one.
F
F
There
are
a
lot
of
public
comments,
including
from
mr
floyd,
on
the
call
that
were
posted
today
on
all
electric,
but
I
think
it's
mostly
going
to
be
just
one
one
of
the
units,
as
opposed
to
both
main
units
cpuc
lots
of
proceedings.
F
F
If
that
happens,
that
would
be
a
good
compliment
to
the
sustainability
scholarship,
because
you
would
actually-
and
I
assume
and
I'll
confirm
this
with
the
dc
team-
that
essentially
edison
would
just
add
that
to
your
bill,
it
would
be
third-party
financing,
but
just
be
added
to
your
electricity
or
bill
to
finance
some
energy
efficiency
program.
So
I'll,
monitor
that
and
then
patrick.
F
If
and
when
that
goes
into
effect,
you
already
refer
to
chief
and
we
could
just
refer
to
that
program
as
well
ab1236,
so
the
ordinance
was
approved
by
council
last
month
and
it's
now
in
effect,
and
then
I
did
review
the
checklist
and
and
patrick
if
you
could
follow
up
with
tasia,
because
I
did
check
on
the
website
and
the
old
materials
are
still
there.
So
if
you
can
have
her
update
the
new
materials
now
that
that's
the
ordinance
is,
in
effect.
F
Either
today
or
tomorrow-
okay,
oh
as
of
to
it,
wasn't
there,
but
I
didn't
check
at
the
end.
It
was
after
two
yeah
yeah,
okay,
great,
I
think
I
looked
at
two
o'clock
or
so
and
then
finally,
patrick
reported
at
our
committee
meeting
that
the
american
wind
energy
association
selected
palm
springs
for
a
wind
energy
success
story,
which
is
great
news,
and
we
have
a
good
couple
of
good
success
stories.
I'll
report
on
the
dc
win
project.
F
When
I
do
my
dc
report
and
patrick
has
said,
I'm
happy
to
help
you
out
on
on
on
any
research
materials.
So
that
is
the
new
york
minute
version
of
the
committee
report.
A
So
we
have
two
topics
that
we
wanted
to
touch
on
today.
I'll
do
the
composting
first,
because
we
have
somebody
on
the
line
interested
in
that
topic,
so
I
did
meet
with
the
representative,
a
community
representative
who
was
interested
in
doing
a
community
composting
program,
and
we
met
with
a
funding
organization
who
provides
small
grants
to
communities
who
want
to
move
these
things
forward.
A
The
basically
the
gist
of
the
conversation
was
that
we
do
have
space
at
the
near
the
community
garden.
That
would
be.
You
could
be
utilized
for
a
community
composting
program.
A
That
program
would
need
to
be
organized
and
led
by
volunteers,
and
so
the
person
that
I
was
working
with
or
who
had
expressed
interest
is
reaching
out
through
the
farmers
market
network
and
I'll,
send
something
out
to
the
community
gardeners
as
well
about
to
gauge
interest
in
building
kind
of
a
little
workforce
that
might
want
to
participate
in
something
like
this
so
more
to
follow
on
that.
A
The
the
amount
of
the
grand
is
very
small,
although
the
type
of
composting
that
they
were
promoting,
which
was
just
basically
pile
composting,
is
pretty
inexpensive
in
terms
of
infrastructure
needs.
So
really
most
of
the
cost
goes
into
a
container
where
community
members
would
bring
their
food
waste
and
drop
it
off,
and
then
the
community
members
would
basically
empty
that
container
in
onto
the
pile
each
week
and
turn
the
turn
turn
the
material
and
move
it
to
the
next
pile
as
it
as
it
decayed.
A
So
so
anyway.
So
I
think
that
it's,
it
could
be
a
viable
program
and
they
seem
to
think
that
we
would
have
enough
space
there
in
the
area
that
we
were
proposing
for
about
a
thousand
pounds
per
week,
and
if
we
used
a
larger
space,
that's
kind
of
adjacent
more
closer
to
the
ball
fields.
Over
there.
A
A
The
we
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
composting
markets
and
and
places
to
bring
the
stuff.
And
so
again,
I
think
the
farmers
market
is
a
good
outlet
for
some
of
that
material,
especially
some
of
the
farmers
that
that
frequent
there
may
want
that
material,
so
that
might
be
kind
of
a
almost
like
a
closed
loop
or
a
loop
system
where
we
could
kind
of
have
a
mark,
a
built-in
market
for
it
so
anyway.
A
So
the
I'm
waiting
to
hear
more
from
from
the
person
who's
organizing
that
to
see
what
she
has
to
say
and
then
the
this
is
of
course,
in
addition
to
the
move
that
we
will
make
under
sb
1383
starting
next
year,
so
that
all
food
waste
and
green
waste
is
collected
from
all
single-family
homes
here
in
palm
springs
under
the
new
requirement.
So
so
again
this
would
be
in
addition
to
that
and
it
would
probably
be
marketed
towards
kind
of
nearby
community
members
or
multi-family
folks.
A
E
So
could
we
give
jake
the
the
the
phone
number
of
this
person
who
you've
talked
to
the
who
is
interested
in
the
composting?
Jake
is
just.
A
E
He's
waited
all
this
time
and
the
only
thing
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
it
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you've
done.
Some
other
really
good
work
on
it.
You
sounds
like
you've
got
a
small
workforce,
maybe
you
know
there
and
the
more
you
could
start
off
with
them
more.
You
know
it's
more
fun
that
way
what
I
did
want
to
mention
to
you
and
that
jake,
I'm
not
sure
where
you're
from.
B
E
Francisco
san
francisco,
okay,
well,
it's
different
as
far
as
composting
down
here,
because
it's
the
desert,
it's
very
difficult
to
do
worms
so
culture,
we've
done
it.
My
husband
and
I
have
done
it.
It
was
quite
something,
but
it
was
like
living
in
the
garage
with
an
air
conditioner.
E
It
wasn't
energy
efficient
at
all,
but
we
had
bazillions
of
worms.
It
was
really
it
was
amazing.
One
resource
I
would
really
recommend
to.
You
is
at
rivco
riverside
county
waste.
It's
waste
blah
blah
blah.
They
they
run
the
you
can
easily
get
to
it.
It's
riverside
county
and
then
it's
waste
resources
or
something
like
that.
Maybe
maybe
you
know
what
it
is
patrick
often,
but
anyway
they
do.
They
do
all
kinds
of
composting
and
they
talk
about
it.
E
E
A
That
was
one
of
the
pieces.
What
we
talked
about
with
these
folks
is
that
it
needs
not.
Not
only
do
you
need
moisture
and
water
to
water,
the
piles,
but
you
also
need
the
other
material,
the
dry
materials
and
the
wood
kind
of
the
other
waste
that
gets
combined
in
it.
So
that's
really
the
job
of
under.
A
Right,
yeah
exactly
a
little
recipe,
so
so
anyway,
so
that
would
be
the
job
of
the
folks,
the
volunteers
that
would
do
that
and
so
jake
I
put
my
email
contact
in
the
chat,
chat
box,
so
feel
free
to
send
me
your
contact
info
and
I'm
happy
to
connect
you
guys
if
you're
interested.
F
Patrick,
I
have
a
question.
Yes
in
the
end
of
last
thursday's
council
meeting,
it
sounded
like
council
wanted
to
bring
the
the
plasticware
ordinance
up.
The
request
was
from
the
next
meeting
and,
and
dr
reddy
said
no.
That
was
just
way
too
soon,
but
it
sounds
like
it'll
it'll
be
ready
to
hit
council.
I
guess
for
the
the
first
march
meeting.
So
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
an
update
on
that.
F
Soon,
I
think
it
was
councilmember
coors
who
asked
that
it
be.
E
E
A
A
B
A
So
he's
here
so
my
my
response
to
that
request
was
that
the
we
are
in
no
better
place
right
now
with
regard
to
restaurants
and
businesses
than
we
were
a
year
ago.
Quite
honestly,
okay,
we're
getting
better.
I
think
I
I
think
that
we're
moving
towards
getting
more
normal
kind
of
operations,
but
I
don't
know
that
again
that
things
are
in
a
more
stable
place
where
they
can
take
something
else
on,
and
I
need
them.
A
100
focus
on
organics
management,
okay,
number
one
priority
that
I
have,
and
so,
if
council
would
like
to
proceed
with
this,
that's
fine,
they
can
take
it
on,
but
implementation
would
be
a
year
out
at
least
yeah.
B
D
And
just
a
comment,
I
guess
it
was
in
this
last
week,
and
this
is
regarding
single-use
plastics.
No,
they
discovered
the
placentas
of
newborn
children.
A
week
ago
in
the
uk
were
permeated
with
microplastic
in
the
placentas
of
newborn
children,
they've
known
that
wrap
your
mind
around
that
and
how
we
are
continuing
the
ground
in
the
sea
of
single-use
plastics.
D
Everything
it's
in
fish,
it's
in
every
tissue,
it's
not
just
on
the
outside.
We
are
the
age
of
plastics.
In
terms
of
you
know,
age,
ages
of
geology,
it's
it's
through
everything,
but
this
is
at
an
alarming
level
just
last
week
and
they
were
looking
at
it
relative
to
coded.
So
this
also
is
an
immune
issue,
but
we
cannot
continue
to
literally
eat
a
credit
card
worth
of
plastic
every
week,
just
because
we're
breathing
it
in
and
we're
eating
it.
A
I
get
it
and
and
I'm
happy
to
entertain
options
if
they
want
to
talk
about
them.
But
but
if
they're
looking
for
some
different
response
from
from
the
business
community,
it's
not
going
to
happen
for
a
while
all
right.
A
A
So
then
the
other
thing
we
just
wanted
to
get
some
quick
feedback
on
from
the
members
is
that,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting
that
commissioner
miller
and
I
have
been
working
through
kind
of
the
thought
process
around
how
we
analyze
and
and
determine
how
and
whether
it
makes
sense
to
do
more
with
processing
of
food
waste
through
our
wastewater
treatment
system
through
our
anaerobic
digestion
process.
A
And
so
what
we
did
with
regard
to
that
thinking
is
lay
laid
out
in
an
analytical
roadmap
which
we
included
with
your
packet
this
time.
And
so
we
wanted
to
just
kind
of
get
a
sense
from
you
about
what
your
questions
may
be
about
this.
What
your
interest
is
in
it
because
we're
trying
to
sort
of
gauge
how
to
engage
the
full,
the
bigger
group
on
this
particular
topic.
So
you
know
the
the
analytical
role
roadmap
outlines
some
basic
things.
E
So
I
have
a
little
different
angle-
not
surprisingly,
then
patrick
and
because
I've
been
working
on
it
for
about
two
years
now
and
it
turns
out
all
of
those
questions
are
answered,
but
they're,
not
we.
E
I
haven't
talked
to
you
about
it
and
I
don't
know
you
know
just
for
instance,
just
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked
are
questions
that
tell
me
that
you
know
the
members
of
our
commission,
at
least
the
ones
who
have
been
presented
with
some
of
this
information
really
don't
know
very
much
about
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about
when
we're
talking
about
taking
high
carbon
high
carbon,
oh
food
waste,
which
is
like
20
of
what
goes
into
the
landfill.
E
If,
while
we're
taking
that
and
we're
running
it
through
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
we're
upping
the
volume
in
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
The
question
about,
I
think
it
was
rob
asked.
Do
I
can't
remember
which
one
anyway,
that
either
does
it
increase
the
amount
of
water
that
we
put
into
the
plant?
The
answer
is
no
because
they
use
the
quantity
of
water
in
different
tanks
going
up
and
down
making
sludge
in
this
one,
making
more
cleaner
water
in
this
one
shooting
it
off
in
that
direction.
E
E
Oh
yes,
and
were
there
toxic
substances
created
as
a
result?
Well,
there's
there
are
a
number
of
steps
between
what's
called
biogas,
which
is
the
untreated
unpurified
methane.
You
know
70
percent
or
you
know
high
anyway
much
higher
than
the
co2.
It
is
the
really
bad
stuff
and
it's
what
is
leaks
all
over
the
plant
and
by
the
way
that
plant
is
in
the
middle
of
the
city
and
in
a
residential
area
of
of
low
in
low-income
families.
E
So
already
it's
a
bad
situation.
So
what
happens?
Is
that
the
it
goes
from
basically
contaminated
methane?
Primarily-
and
it's
got
all
this
other
stuff-
it's
got
lead.
It's
got
nitrogen.
It's
got
all
this
other
stuff
that
they
have
cyloxanes
by
the
way.
Look
at
some
of
your
hair
products.
That's
where
they
are.
You
probably
find
cyloxanes
in
it.
E
E
C
That
we
go
back
to
the
the
subcommittee
on
this
one.
Looking
at
the
time,
it's
almost
7
30.
F
Yeah
to
add
to
your
research
to-do
list,
which
is
already
pretty
large,
is
that
my
recollection
from
the
anaerobic
digestion
facility
in
paris
that
we
toured
a
couple
of
years
ago?
Is
it
one
of
the
byproducts
of
sludge
and
then
they
had
a
sort
of
a
market,
for
you
know
for
local
agriculture.
F
So,
in
addition
to
the
the
feed,
whether
it's
gas
or
electric
and
and
their
advantages
and
dispatches
to
both,
I
I
think
that
also
should
be
looked
at,
as
is
what
happens
to
the
sludge
and
is
there
a
you
know?
Is
there
you
know
agricultural?
You
know
the
growers
in
the
east
valley.
Would
they
be
interested
in
that?
So
that's
another
sort
of
potential
byproduct,
an
economic
stream,
but
it
sort
of
puts
the
city
in
addition
to
being
in
the
energy
business
and
sort
of
the
act,
business
you're.
B
All
I
have
to
report
is,
we
are
launching
the
art
contest.
It's
been
submitted
to
the
county
offices,
so
it
should
be
distributed
out
to
the
teachers.
The
first
round.
We
have
new
guidelines
that
have
been
written.
B
Patrick,
I
believe,
will
be
writing
a
press
release,
so
we'll
have
something
come
coming
from
sustainability
and
once
I
start
posting
on
social
media,
if
you
see
it
and
you
want
to
share
it
or
if
you'd
like
to
email
it
to
anyone
that
you
can
think
of,
let
me
know
I
mean
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
personally
invite
people
adults
as
well.
As
you
know,
all
ages
of
youth,
so
super
excited
about
it.
A
A
A
So
I
did
include
a
little
report
for
everybody
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
where
we're
at
the
next
thing
that
we
plan
to
do
through
our
consultant
is
to
do
some
virtual
walk
audits.
We
add
some
back
and
forth
about
how
we
would
organize
those
around
specific
areas
or
specif
around
specific
projects,
and
actually
what
we
ended
up
with
was
deciding
to
do
them
by
district.
A
So
we're
going
to
organize
the
conversation
by
district
and
we
were
going
to
identify
hot
spots
within
that
district
to
start
the
conversation
and
then
people
could
feel
free
to
add
other
places.
But
but
basically
I
was-
I
was
concerned
that
we
weren't
covering
the
whole
city
and
that
we
were
focusing
more
on
the
south
end
than
we
were
on
the
north
end.
A
So
the
easy
way
around
that
is
to
just
do
it
by
district
and
kind
of
highlight
specific
areas
that
we
know
are
a
problem
and
then
open
it
up
for
further
conversation,
so
more
to
follow
on
that
we're
going
to
schedule
those
for
march.
G
So
there's
a
subcommittee
report,
I
included
with
the
packet.
We
had
a
meeting
in
end
of
last
month
to
discuss
what
we
learned,
that
about
dennis
council
member
dennis
dennis's
proposal
for
a
two-way
cycle
track
on
palm
canyon.
G
So
we
discussed
what
would
what
steps
we
would
do
to
kind
of
bring
that
up
about
and
we
decided
to
write
a
little
description
proposal,
so
we
did
did
that
we'll
have
another
meeting
on
it
tomorrow
and
I'll
have
that
to
share
with
this
the
rest
of
the
sustainability
commission
at
our
next
meeting.
B
At
long
last
we
got
a
white
paper
to
you
all
and
I
I'm
not
gonna
discuss
it
tonight,
we're
out
of
time
here.
So
please
read
it,
and-
and
let's
discuss
next
steps
to
get
this
through
to
an
ordinance
at
our
march
meeting.
C
F
A
couple
of
quick
things:
first,
in
response
to
the
comment
from
commissioner
miller
at
last
month's
meeting,
I
followed
up
with
dwa
on
the
bill
comparison
question
and
the
comparison
is
based
on
heater
service
size.
So
customers
with
the
same
meter
or
service
size
and
similar
consumption
patterns
are
being
compared,
so
I
think
for
a
single
family
residential
that
would
be,
I
believe,
they're
at
three
quarters
or
a
one
inch
meter
they're
the
group
together.
So
that's
basically
how
they
do
the
comparison
based
on
your
based
on
your
meter
size.
F
This
is
from
so
she
ashley
is
still
out.
So
there
may
be
further
details
when
ashley
comes
back,
but
that's
what
I
heard
from
sushi,
I'm
participating
in
the
virtual
watercount
academy,
yeah
yeah.
I
think
church
clark
you
you
did
that
a
couple
of
years
ago,
a
lot
of
interesting
information.
F
Okay,
some
really
good
news.
We
have
the
signing
ceremony
for
the
three
power
project
power
purchase
agreements
for
wind
projects
out
near
the
train
station,
patrick.
I
had
a
couple
of
photos
that
were
taken.
There
was
good
article
in
desert,
sun
and
also
was
on
ks
on
the
television
news,
so
that
you
saw
the
media
advisory.
That's
really
really
the
core
of
what
dc
is
about
and
and
commissioner
baker.
F
Commissioner
miller
you'll
hear
more
about
that
next
cac
meeting,
but
that
will
result
in
substantial
savings.
The
the
project
where
the
signing
was
was
coachella
flats,
and
this
is
the
one
where
the
planning
commission
issued
a
variance
for
them
to
go
up
to
500
feet
and
then,
after
that,
I
work
with
council
to
change
the
ordinance.
So
there
that's
now
as
a
right,
but
these
are
a
whole
bunch
of
smaller
older
win.
F
Wind
turbines
are
replaced
by
roughly
20
super
big,
efficient
ones,
great
great
information
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
that.
As
a
success
story,
the
dc
board
is
meeting
next
tuesday
and
they're
working,
hopefully
we'll
get
the
solar
ppa
on
the
agenda
forever
next
tuesday
and
finally,
the
cac
meeting
is
either
february
24th
or
march.
F
One
was
supposed
to
be
this
coming
thursday,
but
staff's
working
on
the
other
stuff,
so
they're
focused
on
that
and
we'll
be
talking
about
energy
conservation
and
other
no
cost
or
very
low
cost
programs.
The
dc
could
consider
and
we'll
also
be
working
with
grid
alternatives
for
outreach
for
the
programs
to
install
solar
panels
on
affordable
housing
units.
Okay,
great
there's,
a
couple
of
photos.
Thank.
F
E
F
Appropriately
windy,
so
I
had
to
sort
of
keep
keep
really
good
news
and
I'm
I'm
glad
to
see
you
know
that
we're
working,
there's
a
council
member
course.
There.
C
That
was
a
great
event:
great
announcement,
yeah
okay.
So
our
final
item
is
commissioner
comments
and
upcoming
agenda
we'll
go
around
quickly.
Anybody
has
any
additional
comments
or
agenda
suggestions,
and
I
do
have
one
agenda
agenda
suggestion
from
carl
for
the
next
meeting.
The
the
connect
ie
we'll
include
that.
C
Okay,
rob.
C
D
Exciting
news
about
the
salton
sea:
the
money
is
there,
an
angel
showed
up
investment.
Is
there
the
water
is
being
restored.
It's
the
project
is
going
forward,
it's
very
very
exciting,
so
my
question
to
think
about
now
is:
how
can
we
in
palm
springs
interface,
support
and
promote?
This
will
clearly
benefit
from
this.
So
how
do
we
get
the
public
behind
this
and
not
just
thinking
we
can
dismiss
the
salt
and
sea
because
we
can't
but
the
money.
Is
there
it's
going
forward
now
it
just
got
approved.
So
it's
fantastic
news.
D
I'd
love
to
I'll
send
both
of
both
of
the
news
articles
to
roy
and
then
he
can
distribute
that
to
everybody,
it's
very
exciting.
So
it
came
in
two
parts,
but
there
was
an
angel
and
he
was
bringing
in
the
initial
200
million
and
everything
else
has
just
gone
lickety-split
so
very
exciting.
Okay,.
B
E
I'd
like
to
have
the
answer
to
two
questions.
One
is:
when
is
the
agenda
and
materials
when
does
that?
What
is
that
supposed
to
be
posted
before
a
commission?
A
full
commission
meeting.
E
The
thursday,
before
the
meeting?
Okay
and
what
about
materials
that
are
associated
with
that.
A
In
other
words,
we
try
to
get
everything
we
try
to
post
everything
that
we
have
at
the
time
of
that
the
agenda
is
posted,
so
sometimes
we
get
a
few
things
in
app.
E
And
if
it
doesn't
get
in
by
then
then
I
mean
I
assume
you,
you
know
you're
going
to
get
your
stuff
in.
There
might
be
something
even
you
can't
get
in
right,
but
we're
all
going
to
come
to
a
point
where
we
can't
get
something
in,
but
I
was
a
little
upset
when
yesterday
afternoon
I
got
another
what
eight
page
pages
of
stuff
that
I
spent
you
know
since
I
had
talked
to
you
on
thursday,
going
through
all
of
this
stuff,
and
I
that's
just
yet
something
else
is
was
almost
insulting
to
me.
E
A
D
If
I
may
say,
we
didn't
really
get
to
pick
up
on
the
materials
and
what's
going
on
downtown,
especially
after
this
holiday
weekend
is
a
little
disturbing,
I
would
say,
be
very
careful
about
spending
time
downtown
right
now.
It's
it's
unnerving.
C
That
that
subject
was
covered
in
patrick's
report,
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
to
lonnie
that
when,
when
we
work
with
individuals,
patrick
and
I
create
the
agenda-
we
finalize
it
the
monday
the
week
before
the
meeting
and
if,
if
we're
expecting
anything
from
commissioners
who
want
to
present
something,
we
emphasize
that
that
material
should
be
sent
to
patrick
on
before
the
thursday
before
the
meeting,
so
that
it
can
be
included
in
the
in
the
package
and
we
and
we
try
really
hard
to
get
that
done.
C
C
E
C
D
I
have
a
I,
I
will
send
it
to
you
and
then
we
can
share
it.
It's
a
little
personal
carbon
calculator
device.
You
can
use
I'll,
send
you
the
website
for
it.
So
it's
it's
pretty
interesting,
they're
looking
for
globally,
if
we
can
hit
a
a
target
of
2.0
metric
tons
of
c
co2c.
D
Interestingly,
most
americans
are
about
16.4
right
now.
Europeans,
that's
6.4
and
I
was
proud
to
say
I
came
in
at
1.85.
So
it's
interesting.
You
just
put
in
all
of
your
information
and
you
can
see
exactly
where
your
carbon
footprint
is
and
what
you
need
to
do
and
and
what
changes
you
can
make
to
adjust
that.
So
we
want
to
go
for
that
2.0.
So
I'll.
Send
that
to
you
it's
fun!
D
It's
easy
and
you
you
know,
and
you
get
something
worthwhile
as
a
reflection
of
what
you're
doing
so
anyway
I'll
leave
it
leave
it
at
that.