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B
Sure,
craig
borba
here,
melissa
cronin,
is
absent.
Juanina
garner.
C
C
B
The
agenda
was
posted
on
or
before
october
28th,
according
to
our
government
code.
B
Did
you
we
do
not,
but
did
you
have
any
changes
on
the
agenda
acceptance
of
the
agenda
or
anything
like
that.
A
Oh
sorry,
I
don't
does
anyone
else,
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
A
And
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
consent:
calendar
I'll
move.
Second,
all
in
favor
more
call
please.
E
C
B
On
the
meeting
it's
interesting,
I
didn't
hear
from
them
either.
I
think
it's
status
quo
on
that
them
done
anything
right.
B
C
B
Some
social
media
pushing
trying
to
promote
memberships
and
and
promote
their
facebook
page
and
their
website,
their
website's
friends
of
the
library,
friends
of
the
palm
springs
library.org
and
their
facebook,
facebook
and
there's
friends
of
the
palm
springs
library
and
they're,
trying
to
build
awareness
about
the
friends
and
since
they're
not
making
as
much
money
as
they
used
to
because
they
don't
have
the
indoor
book
sales
going
on
right
now.
C
B
B
I
don't
believe
so
ed
unless
you
have
something
ed.
I
know
that
they're
trying
to
build
their
roster
of
acquaintances.
F
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
point
to
ask
this
question,
but
I
know
last
month
in
the
minutes
we
said
that
we
wanted
to
have
a
letter
sent
to
the
foundation
regarding
some
fundraising
that
was
mentioned
for
the
library.
There
were
some
things
that
jeannie
asked
us
to
approve
and
we
approved
some
of
them,
but
we
wanted
another
letter
out
to
the
foundation
to
ask
them
to
you
know
to
do
some
fundraising
on
the
other
things
was
that
sent
out.
B
No,
they
haven't
had
a
meeting
yet,
and
I
know
ed,
that's
probably
something
that
we
would
discuss
at
the
next
meeting,
which
is
taking
place
next
week
right
so
and
then
I
would
think
that
it
should
be
something
like
ed
should
probably
like.
We
could
write
the
letter
together
right.
Do
you
think.
C
B
B
B
So
the
library
is
still
not
open
to
outdoor
to
indoor
service,
but
we
do
continue
to
offer
our
pickup
service
for
library,
materials,
printing
and
our
craft
kits,
which
have
been
very
popular,
and
we
have
just
a
reminder
that
we
still
do.
We
offer
a
wi-fi
service
in
the
parking
lot
and
also
I
want
you
to
know
that
the
sunrise
park,
restaurants,
are
open
daily
and
that's
available
over
in
the
pavilion
parking
lot.
So
if
you
are
using
park,
there
are
restrooms
available.
B
Service
in
october
saw
a
huge
jump
in
appointments.
We
had
1304
appointments
in
the
month
of
october
and
in
september
as
an
example,
we
we
had
a
thousand
eight,
so
I
think
we
saw
a
good
jump
for
october.
We
attribute
this
to
our
craft,
pickup
and
service
and
just
a
general
uptick
in
our
customer
holds
so.
People
have
really
been
using
our
service
and
we're
very
happy
about
that.
B
Our
virtual
programming.
We
still
continue
to
do
our
weekly
story
times
on
facebook
live
and
then
we
have
been
doing
weekly
teen
live
events
with
our
teen
librarian,
and
this
month's
november's
craftalong
is
a
little
pony,
bead
craft
with
harvest
corn
and
little
pumpkin.
So
it's
a
little
kit
that
families
can
we're
gonna
do
a
demonstration,
video
and
then,
and
then
the
families
can
request
to
stop
by
and
pick
up
kits
to
take
home.
That
one
is.
B
C
B
On
zoom,
with
our
teen
librarian,
as
as
he
does
his
dissection
and
then
you
can
share
your
screen
and
show
what
you
you've
discovered
in
your
owl,
so
kind
of
gross,
but
also
very,
very
interesting
to
see
what's
what
they
vomit.
It's
essentially
a
little
like
a
like.
You
know:
a
cat
has
a
hairball
owls
vomit
up
what
they
can't
digest.
B
So
it
could
include
bones
and
other
things.
Our
adult
program
is
not
so
gross.
It
is
a
job
searching
workshop
job
searching
in
the
time
of
quarantine.
This
is
part
one.
B
This
one
covers
resumes
cover
letters
and
online
applications,
and
so
we're
going
to
show
that
program
live
tomorrow,
and
then
it
will
be
as
a
recording
that
you
can
go
back
and
review
if
you're
not
able
to
watch
watch
it
live
so
that
one
will
be
available
on
our
probably
a
clickable
link
through
our
website
on
our
facebook
page
as
well,
and
then
on
our
youtube
channel.
So
multiple
sources
to
get
to
that
scott
vegan
is
our
library.
B
You
probably
know
october
31st
through
november
3rd,
and
many
people
took
advantage
of
the
in-person
service
with
when
we
had
lines
of
people
waiting
throughout
the
day.
They
weren't
humongous
lines,
but
they
weren't
blind.
So
there
were
a
lot
of
people
using
the
service.
The
parking
lot
looked
like
it
used
to
very
busy
and
active.
B
So
that
is
what
is
happening
at
the
library.
F
A
couple
questions
sure
two
things:
one
was
that
when
I
got
the
last
update
the
library,
I
think
it's
the
one
that
had
the
cookbook
thing
going
on.
F
I
wanted
to
forward
that
to
some
friends
of
mine,
but
then
I
thought
maybe
I'd
need
to
encourage
people
to
actually
get
on
this
mailing
list.
I
don't
think
we
actually
put
people
on
the
mailing
list
when
they
actually
sign
up
for
a
library
card
that
would
probably
create
disclosure
issues
and
all
kinds
of
things.
But
if
we
want
to
ask
people
if
people
want
to
become
on
this
list,
how
do
they
go
about
to
do
that?.
F
B
Easy
just
visit
our
website.
The
easiest
website
address
is
pslibrary.org,
and
that
goes
straight
to
our
our
home
page
and
if
you
scroll
down
about
three-fourths
of
the
way
through
there's
a
little
box
that
says,
join
our
email
list
and
you
fill
out
the
form
and
then
you're
instantly
added
to
the
email
list
and
we
send
out
a
monthly
newsletter
monthly
and
then
as
we're
able
to
or
if
something's,
very
important
that
comes
up,
we
send
out
another.
B
You
know
we
might
send
out
a
a
program,
specific
blast
or
something
we
don't
send
a
lot
of
emails
from
that.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
burdensome
to
people
to
join
that
list,
but
we
do
like
to
send
out
a
monthly
update
of
what's
happening,
and
so
it's
great
thank
you
for
asking
that
question,
because
it's
it's
actually
really
easy
to
join.
Yeah.
F
F
I
actually
put
that
on
my
facebook
page
and
I
think
by
the
next
day
you
got
those
six
people,
so
I
I
would
you
know
if
you
have
situations
like
that
that
come
up,
let
you
know,
let
us
know,
because
you
know,
though
sometimes
those
are
just
really
easy
solutions
and
now
you're
using
your
new
youtube
web
address
and
your
communication.
So
that's
that's
really
easy
to
do.
B
Yeah
and
we
have
now
112
subscribers,
so
we're
snowballing-
and
you
know
what's
great
we're
posting
some
interesting
videos,
educational
videos
and
then
one
of
them
got
almost
400
views
because
it
was
recommended
as
a
next
up
like
youtube,
picked
it
to
go
to
follow
other
story,
time
programs,
and
so
it
got
a
lot
of
views
and
then
our
caramel
popcorn
one
got
a
lot
of
views
because
people
were
searching
for
recipes
or
videos
on
how
to
make
caramel
popcorn.
B
F
You
know
I
would
almost
I
don't
know
how
to
do
this
exactly,
but
maybe
at
some
point,
maybe
in
another
newsletter,
you
could
say
that
you
could
remind
people
that
they
can
actually
share
these
videos
with
their
friends
so
that
if
they
actually
go
and
visit
the
youtube
channel
and
see
something
like
that
that
they
like
that
is
very,
very
easy
to
just
put
the
link
to
those
things
in
an
email
to
a
friend
and
just
share
that,
and
it
would
generate
a
lot
more
interest
in
the
library
that
way.
C
A
A
A
Thank
you,
treasurer's
report.
F
Okay,
could
you
bring
up
page
nine
on
your.
F
F
Okay,
so
this
is
someone
I
don't
know
yeah.
Can
you
expand
the
screen,
so
you
can
see
the
numbers.
That
would
be
great
so
perfect,
so
you
can
see
near
that
top
line.
The
cache
is
one
nine,
four,
four,
four,
nine
five.
So
that's
our
current
cash
figure.
I
noticed
that
we
have
a
new
interest
receivable,
so
I
don't
know.
F
I
know
on
the
agenda
we're
talking
about
interest
this
tonight,
maybe
there's
more
to
to
be
told
about
that,
but
I
imagine
that's
just
in
the
regular
course
of
the
business
of
the
city
with
our
endowment
fund
to
actually
credit
us
for
interest
from
time
to
time.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
page,
not
just
about
it.
Oh
we're,
actually,
two
pages
down.
F
Okay,
so
in
page
11
you'll
see
that
the
the
one
expenditure
that
reduced
our
balances
is
this
two
thousand
dollars
that
for
the
pr
it
says,
51040pr
library,
campaign
period,
expenditures,
two
thousand.
So
when
you
were
looking
at
that,
one
million
nine
hundred
thousand
dollar
figure
on
the
prior
page,
it's
reduced
two
thousand
dollars
from
the
prior
month
for
the
pr
library
campaign
and-
and
I
don't
know
jenny-
is
that
the
end
of
the
money
that
we
had
to
allocate
it
or
is
that
there's
some
left
over
for
that.
B
There's
one
more
one
thousand
dollars
more
in
the
encumbrances
outstanding
column.
D
B
So
the
available
balance,
though,
is
5263.46.
C
F
And
that's
all
I
have
I.
I
know
I've
been
saying
this
month
after
month,
but
hopefully
with
the
interest
report,
we'll
get
the
the
treasurer's
annual
report
next
month.
B
F
B
A
Report,
the
number
seven
a
tonight
for
us
is
to
discuss
the
questions
that
we've
had
as
a
result
of
our
consideration
of
funding
the
next
phase
of
the
library
project.
A
So
what
I
would
like
to
do,
as
you
guys
know,
I
have
invited
marcus,
fuller
and
sue
hall
to
come
before
us
and
to
help
answer
some
of
these
questions.
A
I
fully
anticipate
that
we,
this
may
result
in
other
questions.
If
it
does,
then
we'll
we'll
continue
down
this
path,
but
I
thought
that
I
would
read
the
questions
for
the
record
so
that
they
are
in
the
record
in
the
recording-
and
I
am
the
one
who
identified,
who
I
think
would
be
able
to
answer,
but
I've
already
informed,
marcus
and
sue
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
they
can't
jump
in
and
help
provide
some
clarification
on
some
of
these
questions.
A
So
the
first
question
that
we
had
was
once
this
next
phase
is
completed.
What
will
be
the
next
phase,
and
can
you
give
us
an
idea
on
scope
and
cost
of
that
phase?
I
propose
that
to
sue.
G
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
just
get
you
to
just
very
briefly
to
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today
what
what
we've
done
so
far
and
in
the
library
building
project.
We've
done
some
work
with
the
library.
Prior
to
that
we
were.
We
were
involved
in
site
selection
and
we
finished
that
last
spring
spring
ed.
G
I
think,
and
at
the
end
of
that
project.
G
Basically,
there
had
been
agreement
on
the
committee
that
worked
with
us
that
you
wanted
to
remain
put
a
new
library,
renovated
library
on
the
new
site,
so
the
next
piece
in
building
a
library
process,
because
it's
very
distinct
steps
until
you
actually
get
to
put
the
shuffle
in
the
ground
and
open
the
library.
This
next
piece
and
the
piece
that's
in
this
proposal
that
you
all
have
is
basically
it's.
G
G
What
that's
going
to
look
like
and
how
you're
going
to
use
the
space
and
everything
that
the
library
sort
of
does
is
looked
at
and
in
this
phase
of
the
process
and
then
what
it
might
do
and
then,
at
the
end
of
this
project,
what
you
actually
have
is
from
you
know
the
various
ways
that
you've
gathered
input
for
creating
this
program
or
vision.
G
G
This
is
what
we'd
like
the
space
to
look
like
and
to
be
used,
and
this
is
where
it
will
be
special
and
different
from
the
current
library
that
gets
turned
over
to
your
architect
and
he
or
she
or
their
firm
then
takes
all
of
that
sort
of
subjective,
descriptive
materials
and
also
more
objective
in
terms
of
collections
and
technology,
and
things
like
that
that
have
been
identified.
G
So,
what's
going
to
happen
at
the
end
of
that
process
is
they're
going
to
come
back
with
here's
the
design
that
we've
created
that
will
meet
the
needs
that
were
identified
in
this
vision
or
program
planning
process
and,
at
the
same
time
the
foundation
will
be
getting
ready
for
a
feasibility
study
that
will
take
that
same
data
and
create
a
case
statement,
and
that
case
statement
is
what
the
foundation
will
then
take
out
to
the
community
in
terms
of
meeting
with
potential
donors,
corporate
other
funders
and
say:
okay,
here's
what
the
new
library
is
gonna
look
like
we're,
gonna
we're
gonna,
have
the
drawings
from
an
architect
and
we're
going
to
have
the
ideas
and
the
vision
for
what's
going
to
go
on
in
the
library,
and
we
want
you
ed
mcbride,
to
react
to
this
and
tell
us
what
you
like,
and
could
you
get
excited
about
this,
and
would
you
consider
being
a
donor
and
at
what
level?
G
So
this
the
phase
right
after
this
is
where
you
really
start
getting
very,
very
concrete
both
in
terms
of
the
architect
and
then
what
the
foundation
will
do
with
this?
I
can
tell
you
that
the
feasibility
study
is
probably
going
to
cost
you
thirty
thousand
dollars.
G
G
So
that
component,
as
I
say,
will
cost
you
anywhere
from
25
to
maybe
32
to
35
000
in
terms
of
an
architect
and
doing
architectural
run
renderings
and
whatever
work
they
want
to
do
with
the
city
in
the
library.
I
honestly
don't
know
that.
I
don't
know
what
architectural
firms
cost
out
in
palm
springs,
because
you
have
such
an
iconic
architecture
out
in
palm
springs
and
because
you
are
more
building
centric
and
building
design
driven
than
most
other
cities
that
I've
ever
worked
with.
G
You
need
a
very
special
architect
to
make
sure
that
you
get
the
kind
of
a
design
that's
going
to
fit
with
the
space
you're
in
and
all
of
the
other
significant
buildings
in
the
community.
So,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
couldn't
possibly
tell
you
what
that
would
cost
ed
has
worked.
I
know
with
architects
and
may
have
a
better
answer
to
that
marcus.
I
don't
know.
I
assume
you've
worked
with
architects
on
other
city
buildings.
So
may
you
may
be
able
to
answer
that
question,
certainly
better
than
I
can.
A
I
think
that,
as
I
suspected,
these
questions
will
lead
into
potential
follow-ups.
It
is.
It
was
my
understanding
when
we
were
further
along
and
having
this
conversation
mark
is
that
the
the
city
pretty
much
said
to
us
that
when
it
comes
to
an
architectural
firm,
you
know
that's
when
the
city
will
pick
up
and
you
have
architects
on
staff
you
you
would
handle
that
part
of
the
next
phase.
Assuming
that
back
then
we
we
thought
that
we
had
money.
We
had.
A
H
You
know,
fully
funded
and
ready
to
move
forward
into
design
and
filling
into
construction,
given
the
potential
cost
of
this
project,
whether
it's
rehab
of
the
existing
library
or
a
new
library,
you
know
I,
I
think
the
council
needs
to
understand
the
full
cost
of
it
and
whether
to
proceed
with
the
design
phase
ahead
of
having
the
construction
funding
programmed
generally
architectural
services
on
something
like
this
is
going
to
be
at
least
15
of
the
cost
of
the
project.
H
G
So
marcus
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
a
little
chicken
and
egg
question,
though,
is
because
if
the
city
is
going
to
hire
the
architect
or
use
one
of
their
own
architects
or
whatever
you
mentioned
sort
of
knowing
what
the
cost
of
the
project
is,
but
you
won't
really
know
the
cost
of
the
project
until
the
architect
has
finished,
doing
their
own
design
work
right,
or
did
I
hear
you
wrong.
H
Well,
I
think
yeah
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
couple
steps
back.
So
council
approved
your
contract
amendment
to
do
the
programming
phase
that
was
going
to
inform
us
on
you
know
what
programming
is
is
required
now
with
a
modern
library,
and
can
that
program
be
accommodated
in
the
existing
library
or
dictate
the
size
of
a
new
library,
that's
kind
of
where
we
left
off
right
and
then
we
would
need
to
continue
the
discussion
on
the
benefits
and
disadvantages
of
building
new
versus
rehabbing
existing
now.
H
We
may
want
to
reconsider
and
really
focus
on
the
benefits
of
staying
in
the
existing
library.
I
think
that,
obviously
we
need
to
understand
the
cost
of
rehabbing,
a
library
versus
building
new.
If
you
have
other
costs,
if
you
build
new
because
we've
talked
about
it,
what
do
you
do
with
the
old
library?
We
still
have
the
ongoing
operation
maintenance
costs
with
the
existing
library?
H
H
So
we
understand
well,
you
know
everything's
really
going
electronic,
so
we
really
have
a
lot
of
capacity
in
the
existing
library.
We
just
need
to
refresh
it
re
reorient
it
put
the
main
entrance
back
towards
sunrise.
Do
whatever
you
know
all
these
things
that
could
make
our
existing
home
even
that
much
better.
F
And
anything:
that's
given
the
the
age
of
the
building
and
the
required
renovations
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
to
make
it
up.
Just
you
know,
up
to
code
these
days.
H
H
A
Rehab,
it
wouldn't
be
uncommon
for
a
library
to
ask
in
this
next
phase,
because
not
all
libraries
have
the
luxury
of
knowing
they've
got
money
to
expand
a
building,
building
the
ability
they
might
say
to
their
consultants.
We
want
to
build
a
program
that
would
work
in
our
existing
facility
and
I
think
that
our
consultants
definitely
keep
that
in
mind,
but
we
have
to
remember
if
the
consultants
go
out
to
the
community
and
the
community
says:
oh,
we
want
our
library
to
have
blank.
I
don't
know
what
the
blank
might
be.
A
They
may
come
back
and
say
we
heard
from
the
community
by
the
way
that
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
do
it,
but
the
community
would
love
to
see
this.
Therefore,
we're
not
sure
all
of
these
things
would
fit
into
an
existing
building.
That
could
happen,
but
that
would
be
that
would
be
questions
we
would
deal
with.
Then
you
know
it's
not
a
deal
stopper.
It's
really
us
saying
back
to
the
community.
Well,
we
would
love
to
do
that
someday,
but
we
can't
do
it
under
all
the
other
things
that
are
a
higher
priority.
A
It's
just
the
prioritization
of
the
program
right
soon
in
this
next
phase.
That's
going
to
determine,
and
also
for
those
of
us
who
are
on
the
building
committee,
I
don't
think
we
ever
expected
that
we
were
going
to
have
a
brand
new
building.
We
were
going
to
use
the
current
building
and
maybe
expand
or
enhance
it
in
some
way.
So
I
don't,
I
don't
think
the
expectation
is
there
now
that
we
were
going
to
do
anything
that
wouldn't
try
to
use
that
existing
building.
H
H
We
left
open
the
idea
of
staying
where
we're
at
building
a
new
library
just
to
the
south
and
that's
where
the
master
plan
came
in,
which
doesn't
need
to
happen
now.
But
the
master
plan
was
important
because
that
informs
how
you
design
a
new
building
and
what
uses
and
uses
are
going
to
occur
within
the
whole
park
on
what
we
do
with
the
for
ajc
building
and
all
those
other
factors.
H
So
I
I
think
I
think
that
whole
debate
or
analysis
on
whether
we
stay
in
the
building
or
build
a
new
building
is
still
on
the
table,
and
I
don't
want
anyone
here
on
this
meeting,
thinking
that
I've
made
a
decision
and
that
we're
going
to
stick
in
this
in
the
building.
I'm
just
concerned
because
I
think
we're
we're
even
more
challenged
than
we
were
before
on
trying
to
accumulate
back
the
measure.
J
funds
we
have,
which
again
was
dropping
the
bucket.
We
only
had
1.8
million
and
we
probably
need
15
20..
H
C
A
C
C
A
Now
I
think
that
the
committee
said
something
like
well,
you
know
if
that
building
ends
up
not
being
enough
space
based
on
this
next
phase.
Could
we
see
a
maybe
an
annex
or
another
building
built
to
accommodate
some
of
the
function
that
you
can
see
happening?
So
I
don't
think
that
we
ever
felt
like.
We
would
abandon
that
old
building
and
we.
E
No,
that's
exactly
right.
We
talked
about
another
building
that
could
possibly
serve
as
an
administrative
building,
so
that,
like
you,
know,
jeannie's
office
and
things
like
that
could
be
in
a
separate
building
but
yeah.
Really
the
consensus
was.
We
would
keep
the
building
the
existing
building
and
just
reconfigure
the
inside
of
it
in
order
to
accommodate
the
new
plans
or
the
new
vision
for
the
building.
G
You
know-
and
I
I'd
like
to
just
say
one
more
thing
on
this
question:
when
we
were
thinking
about
okay,
technology's
coming
to
be
so
important,
you
know,
maybe
we
don't
need
any
more
space
or
whatever
the
thing
that
we
are
hearing
more
and
more
almost
universally
on
every
either
strategic
planning
process
or
building
planning
projects.
We're
doing
is
that
what
people
want
the
most
of
is
community
space.
G
They
want
rooms
where
they
can
have
meetings
and
can
convene,
for
you
know,
focused
activities
or
whatever,
which
so
what
you've
gained
by
shrinking
technology,
you've
just
expanded
by
saying
we
want
gathering
spaces
and-
and
I
think
people
are
actually
going
to
think
that
even
more
after
colvin,
because
we've
all
been
you
know,
pushed
into
isolation,
and
it's
going
to
be
even
more
important
that
the
library
becomes
sort
of
the
host
where
people
can
come
together
in
the
community.
B
A
A
G
Yep
sure
so,
there's
basically
four
components
to
this
process.
I
don't
know
if
you've
all
read
the
proposal
recently,
the
first
one
is
really
looking
at
the
doing.
A
physical
inventory
of
the
current
building
we'd
have
to
be
on
site
for
that,
and
it's
looking
at
how
you
use
your
current
space,
you
know,
what's
your
collections,
what's
your
collection
of
growth?
What's
the
furniture?
What's
the
parking
you
know
how's
the
space
physically
used.
G
The
second
piece
of
it
is
data
collection
and
analysis,
and
we
look
at
everything
that
the
library
currently
does
collections.
Programs
services
so
essentially
what's
happening
in
the
library
versus
you
know.
What's
the
physical
plant
look
like
the
third
piece
of
this
is
going
out
into
the
community
and
by
way
of
a
community
survey,
that's
not
going
to
change.
None
of
these
first
three
things
are
going
to
change
in
the
revised
proposal.
G
The
the
big
change
over
here
is.
We
had
built
our
proposal
around
going
out
to
palm
springs
and
spending
a
week
or
more
on
site
in
conducting
focus
groups-
community
listening
sessions,
town
halls,
whatever
you'd
like
to
call
them
meeting
in
groups
with
the
staff
conducting
interviews,
possibly
in
small
groups
and
individuals,
stakeholders,
and
we
can't
do
that
now
and
so
what
we're
being
forced
to
do
now,
if
you
decide
to
go
on
with
this
proposal,
is
do
an
awful
lot
of
this
electronically,
and
so
it
would
primarily
be
done
with
zoom
sessions.
G
Excuse
me
or
other
platforms
like
this,
we
probably
will
be
doing
as
much
phone
interviewing
as
possible
and
I'm
just
doing
a
process,
I'm
working
with
the
atlanta
fulton
library
system
in
georgia
and
what
we
essentially
had
started
out
with
a
similar
process.
We're
now
ending
up
doing
everything
electronically,
I'm
no
longer
in
love
with
zoom
sessions.
G
They
what
we
would
have
done
with
you
all,
but
in
four
to
six
town
hall
meetings
or
focus
groups
or
whatever
I
would
anticipate
now.
We
would
be
doing
in
two
to
three
or
more
times
the
number
of
gatherings
zoom
gatherings,
so
we
could
be
doing
anywhere
from
12
to
15
different
sessions
or
more
and
actually
the
logistics
and
putting
all
these
together
take
more
time
than
setting
up
a
town
hall
meeting
and
just
inviting
people
to
come,
you're
doing
more
targeted
meetings
and
you're.
G
Just
you
are
losing
some
things
in
the
ability
to
be
able
to
just
get
a
whole
room
full
of
people.
But
what
you're
gaining
is
the
ability
to
manage
smaller
groups
of
people
who
can
interact
more
easily
and
there's
a
synergism
in
terms
of
just
developing
ideas
and
suggestions
of.
We
could
do
this
and
oh
yeah.
If
we
did
that,
we
can
do
this
so
where
there
are
challenges
to
doing
it
differently.
G
G
Excuse
me
you're
doing
the
real
broad,
swath
you're
act,
asking
big
picture
questions
about
strength
and
weaknesses
of
the
current
building,
and
you
know
you
can
ask
some
big
questions
about
what
would
you
most
like
to
see
in
a
new
building
where
you,
in
this
space
that
I'm
discussing
now,
where
we're
switching
things
up
a
little
bit,
you're
digging
a
lot
deeper
so
where
a
session
like
this
could
be
advantageous,
as
you
could
hear
from
fewer
people
at
one
time
and
actually
get
deeper
into
the
questions
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
sort
of
idea
generation
among
smaller
groups
of
people
does
that
sort
of
answer.
H
Sue,
I
I
didn't
realize
there
was
a
revised
scope
of
work.
What's
the
fee,
it
was
90
000
before.
G
The
fee
went
down
and
we
did
submit
that
to
you
all.
I
believe
a
couple
months
ago,
and
you
know,
as
I
was
as
I'm
going
to
address
in
the
final
question,
and
we
weren't
able
to
do
this.
I
understand
if
we
wouldn't
even
mind
a
not
to
exceed
budget
for
something
like
this.
G
We
wanted
to
do
it.
I
think,
on
our
last
project,
because
we
didn't
know
what
it
was,
how
many,
how
many
meetings
that
site
selection
was
going
to
cost.
We
don't
know
to
be
honest
with
you
how
many
zoom
sessions
we're
going
to
have
to
get
all
the
data
we
want
on
this
to
make
sure
that
when
we
come
out
of
it,
you've
got
something
really
really
concrete,
so
I
mean
it
could
cost
even
less.
We
dropped
it,
ten
thousand
dollars.
G
You
know
it
could
come
down
another
ten
thousand
if
we
could
have
and
if
we
could
have
a
not
to
exceed
budget
and
personally,
I'm
semi-retired,
I'm
not
in
this
to
make
a
lot
of
money.
I
really
like
this
project.
G
I
really
want
to
see
you
get
a
new
library
I
am
emotionally
and
personally
invested
in
it,
because
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
out
there
now
and
have
come
to
like
palm
springs,
but
I
also
think
you
deserve
a
very
cool
library,
so
I'd
like
to
make
this
as
affordable
as
possible
for
you
so
anyway,
I
I
wish
I
could
be
more
specific
about
okay,
we
go
from
this
to
this.
G
B
Hey
sue
I
don't
seem
to
have,
I
didn't
seem
to
get
that
revised
project,
but
if
you
could
send
it
to
me.
G
B
G
Simple,
what
we
I
I
will
I'd
be
glad
to
send
it
to
you,
yeah
and
basically
what
I
did
and
it
was
right
around
the
time
we
were
signing.
I
thought
and
what
I
did
is.
I
took
the
current
proposal
added
in
some
new
language
to
address
the
the
covid
situation
and
highlighted
it.
So
I'd
be
glad
to
send
that
to
you
as
soon
as
I
get
off,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
I
can
do
it
now
or
not.
C
A
Consider
that
a
follow-up
to
this
as
you'll
share
with
us,
the
the
latest
version,
but
it
sounds
like
because
you
got
a
thumbs
up
from
marcus
that
the
original
price
has
dropped
at
least
ten
thousand,
maybe
twenty
thousand
dollars.
So
if
you
firm
that
up
for
us.
G
Yep
the
other
place
and
I'm
jumping
down
to
question
six.
The
other
place
where
the
budget
will
go
down
is
the
travel
expenses,
because
we
would
probably
still
make
one
visit
out
there
where
we
could
inventory
the
current
library
and
meet
with
a
program
planning
committee.
G
But
we
wouldn't
be
making
two
to
three
trips
out
there
as
we
originally
planned,
and
we
only
invoice
in
terms
of
actual
travel
costs,
so
that
would
there
would
be
a
savings
there
as
well.
A
A
Question
number
three:
do
we
need
to
include
the
sunrise
park
master
plan
in
this
phase,
since
it
really
is
a
focus
on
pro?
This
phase
is
a
focus
on
programs
that
need
to
be
included
in
the
new
or
updated
facility.
I
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
ask
marcus
to
respond
to
that.
First
before
I
sue
you
respond,
but
marcus.
Do
you
mind.
H
Sure
we
we
decided
that
the
master
plan
could
lag
as
the
programming.
You
know
the
programming
really
needed
to
precede
it.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
see
it
as
urgent
at
this
point
and.
H
You
know
the
rios
team
really
wanted
to
have
some
of
the
programming
information
to
be
able
to
start
their
master
planning
effort
and
their.
You
know
their
their
fees.
I
recall,
wasn't
cheap
either
it
was
like
a
hundred
thousand
or
something
and
the
master
plan
analysis
will
change
if
we're
going
to
end
up
staying
in
the
same
footprint
and
we
don't
need
another
addicts
building
or
whatever
the
programming
decides
right.
G
You
know,
I
definitely
wouldn't
think
that
the
two
plans
should
be
married
at
this
point.
That's
not
that
shouldn't
be
an
outcome
of
the
program
planning
process.
I
think
the
rios
group
might
be
a
good
stakeholder
group
to
talk
to
to
put
in
on
a
session
like
this,
because
I'm
sure
they've
already
got
some
idea
of
what
they're
thinking
they
may
already
be
thinking
about
other
strategic
partners
that
could
go
on
the
entire
sunrise
site.
A
G
A
Any
follow-ups
to
this
this
question
about
the
sunrise
master
sunrise
park,
master
plan.
F
Well,
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
idea
that
if
sue's
work
acts
independently
of
whatever
the
rios
group
envisions
and
they're
just
sitting
in
the
meetings
as
a
stakeholder
that
at
some
point,
if
they
decide
to
inject
themselves
more
vigorously
that
might
actually
I
don't
know,
alter
everybody's
expectations
and-
and
you
know,
make
us
have
to
start
from
square
one
again
on
something.
I
don't
know.
G
I
wouldn't
think
they'd
have
that
kind
of
input
into
a
program
plan
it
would
just
be.
It
could
be
interesting
to
hear
what
they're
thinking,
but
I
think
of
the
library's
program
plan
is
very
distinct
boundary
and
finite,
whereas
the
master
plan-
I
just
I
think
of-
is
broader,
but
I
think
that
they
will
be
working
with
the
library's
plan
as
opposed
to
having
a
lot
of
input
and
any
input
other
than
you
know,
maybe
just
to
see
if
they've
got
any
other
thoughts
that
might
come
to
play.
F
G
G
You
know
boys
and
girls,
club
or
other
organizations
that
might
situate
themselves
on
the
property,
but
it
was
more
a
synergism
than
it
was.
How
are
we
going
to
function
as
one
site
sort
of
well.
F
G
F
I
think
the
expectations
are
a
little
grander
than
just
renovating
the
existing
space
or,
if
not,
that
grand,
then
at
least
we
should
be
putting
that
into
consideration
before
we
actually
present
something
to
the
community,
because
you
know-
or
you
know,
maybe
as
plan
a
just
renovate.
The
building
plan
b,
renovate
plus
annex
but
renovate
plus
annex
includes
the
master
plan.
So.
A
But
we're
talking
about
paying
for
the
planning
to
determine
what
goes
into
the
building,
not
what
the
building's
gonna
look
like
or
where
it
goes
or
how
big
it
wants
to
be.
It
will
drive
that
next
part
of
the
face,
but
this
really
is
more
of
the
community
input
as
to
what
they
would
like
to
see
in
terms
of
services
in
space.
A
So
the
master
plan
in
my
mind,
never
had
a
connection
to
this
next
phase
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
it
was
even
connected
to
this.
To
me,
the
master
plan
will
kick
in
either
independently,
while
we're
going
parallel
to
that
or
if
the
architect
comes
back,
and
everybody
in
this
in
the
world
agrees
that
this
building
needs
to
be
doubled
in
size.
The
master
plan
has
got
to
say.
Yes,
we
want
to
do
that
and
here's
the
space
to
do
it.
I
don't
think
we're
anywhere
near
that
I
think
we're
talking
about.
A
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
master
plan,
one
of
the
issues
the
master
plan
was
to
address-
was
safety
within
the
park
as
also
and
it
needs
to
be
able
to
address.
If
we
do
want
to
have
an
annex,
we
don't
want
to
be
limited
by
that
plan.
D
E
So
I'm
kind
of
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
this,
because
if
we
are
going
to
talk
about
programming
for
the
library,
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
I've
always
thought
of
was
that
the
way
the
entrance
to
the
library
is
right.
Now
it's
kind
of
like
a
back
alley
entrance
and
you
know
the
old
entrance
that
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
building
that
was
open,
more
open
to
sunrise
that
gave
it
a
more
elegant
entrance.
E
I
always
thought
that
that
would
be
restored,
that
there
would
be
access
to
the
library
from
sunrise
from
the
you
know.
I
I
never
envisioned
that
we
would
keep
it
the
way
it
is
now.
So
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
create
some
kind
of
a
a
new
entrance
or
a
driveway
into
this,
you
know
grander
building
I
mean
the
building
is
going
to
be
the
same,
but
just
the
the
entrance
to
it
that
that
would
be
part
of
the
master
plan
or
no.
A
No,
so
the
next
phase
that
we're
being
asked
to
fund
right
now
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
entrance
is
going
to
be
or
or
what
that
building
is
going
to
physically.
Look
like
it's
really
more
of
what
does
the
community
see
the
library
providing
in
terms
of
services
so
that
that
can
then
dictate
the
size
of
the
building
or
can
it
fit
within
the
current
structure?
Then
the
architects
are
going
to
come
back
and
say
to
us
well
in
order
to
put
this
all
this
stuff
into
the
current
space.
A
We
recommend
that
you
put
the
entrance
somewhere
else
or
whatever
that
that
comes
in
the
next
phase,
not
this
phase.
What
we're
talking
about
with
the
master
plan.
It
just
so
happened
at
the
same
time
that
we
were
finishing
up.
The
site
selection
conversation
that
there
was
a
proposal
to
the
city
by
the
rios
group
to
look
at
the
entire
park
and
determine.
Is
it
the
best
use
of
all
the
facilities,
not
just
us,
but
the
boys
and
girls
club,
the
mizell
everybody
on
that
piece
of
property?
A
So
we
we
got
grouped
into
that
naturally,
because
if
we're
thinking
about
expanding
the
building,
then
it
might
interrupt
with
the
pickleball
courts.
They
want
to
put
next
door
or
it
might
interrupt
with
the
parking
flow.
So
that
was
why
that
master
plan
was
important,
but
I
still
my
opinion
marcus.
You
disagree
with
me,
so
you
correct
me
is
that
the
master
plan
for
the
park
really
is
not
in
play
for
us
at
this
particular
next
phase
that
we're
being
asked
to
find.
H
C
C
H
A
Drove
that
master
plan,
if
you
guys
remember,
was
the
lack
of
parking
and
if
we
said
that
we
need
expanded
parking
well,
then
we
might
be
encroaching
well.
The
only
way
we
could
encroach
is
towards
the
boys
and
girls
club,
because
we
can't
go
to
the
stadium
right
so
that
master
plants-
oh
wait
a
minute
before
you
start
taking
over
pieces
of
land.
We
need
to
understand
why
I
was
going
to
go
on
this
piece
of
property
long
term.
G
If
you
all
could
just
remember
this
process,
one
way
which
is
this
process
is
to
identify
at
the
end
of
what's
going
to
happen
inside
the
building,
maybe
in
a
courtyard
you
know
outside
or
whatever,
but
it's
this
is
about
activities
and
use
of
space
inside
the
library
and
what
the
community's
needs
are
for
that
it's
not.
It
is
not
a
physical
plant,
specific
process
genie.
I
wanted
to
add.
B
Too,
about
the
program:
it's
also
about
things
like
the
number
of
seats
number
of
chairs
on
your
traffic,
the
number
of
users
that
come
in
daily
we've
already
determined
we're
about
one
year
short
and
we're
about
at
least
100
parking
spaces
short.
So
we
look
at
like
just
basics
like
that
and
and
the
shelving
how
much
shelving
you
need
to
cover
your
collection.
And
now
do
you
have
the
right
size
collection?
Do
you
need
to
read
it?
Do
you
need
to
build
it
collections
need
to
gross?
Does
spanish
collection
need
to
grow?
B
B
B
Like
we
need
more
programs,
it's
a
program,
it's
a.
A
Remember
we
asked
the
community
to
be
present
for
this
next
phase
to
think
big.
That
was
our
opportunity
to
have
the
library
of
the
future.
To
quote
you
know,
council
member
hosted
she
said
we
want
a
world-class
library.
Well,
what
does
that
mean
this
next
phase
kind
of
defines
for
our
community?
What
does
a
world-class
library
look
at
now?
Can
we
afford
it?
I
don't
know,
but
it's
a
it's
a
dream,
big
and
plan
for
services
that
we've
never
dreamed
before.
Maybe
maybe
services
that
we
have
now
to
expand.
A
A
H
It's
believe
me:
it's
frustrating
that
we
we
now
have
a
backlog
of
all
those
projects
that
were
funded
and
canceled,
and
then
how
are
we
going
to
work?
You
know
we've
been
discussing
that
with
the
measure
j
commission.
How
are
we
going
to
rank
and
prioritize
all
the
previously
funded
canceled
projects
versus
all
the
other
projects
that
we
need
to
fund
and
move
forward
with,
including
these
big
ticket
items
like
the
library
and
continuing
our
street
paving
projects
and
everything
else?
So
it's
it's
hard
to
say
because
keep
in
mind
we
also
need
to.
H
We
have
four
other
fire
stations
we
need
to
address
it's
just
like.
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
do
it,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
needs
and,
and
the
library
is
at
the
top
too
so
we'll
you
know
yeah.
So
I
can't
tell
you,
but
I
tell
you
that
the
programming.
H
G
That's
a
great
question.
The
years
part
I
would
say,
maybe
not
so
much
because
needs
do
change
and
at
some
point
you
have
to
commit
to
something.
But
I
think
we
were.
We
are
at
a
point
when
tony
my
other
consultant
that
I
work
with-
and
I
have
gone-
have
seen
many
many
many
many
libraries
I'd
say
over
the
last
five
years
and
been
parts
of
projects,
and
there
there
is.
G
I
we
just
did
a
look
at
current
trends
in
new
libraries
and
library
buildings
and
they
haven't
changed
in
the
last
five
years,
they're
asking
for
the
same
kinds
of
things:
they're
asking
for
creative
spaces
and
community
spaces
and
small
rooms,
and
a
large
auditorium,
maybe
and
technology
which
was
at
the
top
of
the
list
10
years
ago.
You
know
is
way
down
the
list
right
now,
but
I'd
say:
you've
probably
got
a
10-year
time
frame
for
what
you
hear
from
the
library
community.
G
Now
is
going
to
be
good
for
at
least
a
good
10
years,
if
not
more,
because
I
think
that
what
we're
looking
at
now
in
terms
of
library,
building
design
is
flexibility,
and
I
think
that's
just
one
of
the
key
things
that
people
are
looking
for.
I
think,
rather
than
saying,
could
we
sit
on
this
and
put
it
on
a
shelf
for
for
three
or
four
years
my
only
concern
is
and
what
we
heard
from
the
public
during
that
last
piece
was,
you
know
this
is
gone.
G
This
is
the
third
or
fourth
time
that
this
potential
project
has
gotten
down
the
road
and
then
dropped
off,
and
you
got
some
real
momentum.
I
think
after
the
site,
selection
and
then
who
saw
covid
coming
it
looked
like
we
were
just
on
a
path
to
make
everything
happen.
G
We've
seen
it
with
homeschooling
kids,
we've
seen
it
from
people
wanting
places
to
go
and
meet
together.
I
mean
it's,
I'm
trying
to
see
the
opportunities
in
post
covid
that
weren't
there
before
so.
I
would.
I
would
personally
hate
to
see
you
shelve
this
process
for
a
couple
years
and
the
next
phase
feasibility
study
arc
hire
an
architect.
Do
all
that.
Do
a
feasibility
study
do
a
capital
campaign
you're,
probably
talking
three
years
there,
two
to
three
years
before
you
have
a
building,
so
the
farther
out
you
push
this
the
farther
out.
B
Well-
and
I
don't
know
how
relevant
it
is,
but
we
just
did
this-
I
mean
it
seems
like
just
did
it.
We
just
did
this
in
2013,
so
we
have
the
program
from
2013.,
so
we
spent
we,
the
trustees,
you
all
spent
about
150
000
on
a
program
and
an
architectural
design
to
stay
here.
So
we
have
that
plan
and
I
don't
think
it's
lost,
you
know
it's
not
wasted.
B
It
could
be
something
that
could
be
built
on
or
looked
at.
I
mean
like
sue,
was
saying
exactly
the
same
thing:
people
want
comfortable
seating,
they
want
flexible
space,
just
all
the
same
things.
She
said
exactly,
that's
still
what
people
want.
They
want
a
community
gathering
space
meeting
spaces,
you
name
it
and
it's
all
it
was
all
in
there.
We
did
all
those
studies
already.
So
we
have
that
information.
Already
too.
A
B
Well,
I
don't
even
know
if
we
need
to
present
it
to
an
architect,
because
we
had
that
we
have
a
an
architectural
plan.
I
mean
it's
not
blueprint
shovel
ready,
but
it
was.
It
was
pretty
far
along.
I
think
I
don't
know
marcus
agrees,
but
they
did
the
civil
engineering
they
did.
They
did
the
studies
for
the
seismic
study,
the
mechanic
mep
study
and
they
did
a
lot
of
work.
H
B
Right
yeah
it
would
it
wouldn't
be
something
that
a
builder
could
take
and
run
with
it.
Wasn't
that
that
level,
but
we
had
floor
plans
and
the
community
had
picked
out
of
four
designs
they
had
picked
through.
We
had
workshops
and,
and
the
community
said
which
design
they
preferred.
C
B
That,
yes,
they
did
they.
We
use,
we
use
stickers
and
they
wanted
good
lighting
technology
access
to
technology,
comfortable
seating
parking,
it's
it's
all
in
there,
what
they
preferred
and
it
was
prevented,
presented
to
council.
A
Cycle
which
we
just
heard
a
ten
year
cycle,
is
about
what
you
might
expect
without
having
to
have
it
re-examined
and
updated.
So
I
guess
the
question
would
be.
Would
we
want
to
just
have
that
plan
re-examined
and
first
I
see
this
is
for
you
to
see.
If
what
is
there,
it
could
be-
maybe
not
so
much
going
through
another
total
community
review
as
much
as
a
consultant
review
a
professional
review
to
determine
how
much
of
it
is
still
good
and
can
we
you
know,
use
that
instead.
G
So
this
is
where
I'm
really
wishing
that
my
colleague
tony
garvey
was
on
the
call,
because
I
am
a
process
consultant
and
she
is
a
building
expert
and
I
remember
she
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
reviewing
those
those
blue.
Well,
they
weren't
blueprints,
but
those
drawings
and
talking
I
know
with.
I
think
it
was
in
our
first
meeting
with
the
site
selection
committee,
that
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
support
for
the
the
final
drawing
that
had
been
selected.
G
And
I
honestly
can't
tell
you
what
the
what
the
discussion
was
around
it,
because
that's
not
in
my
wheelhouse.
B
I
could
show
you
what
what
the
community
said
if
you
want-
or
I
can
just
read
it
to
you,
the
I
could
share
this
little
slide.
If
you
want
to
see
it.
A
And
I
mean
jeannie,
maybe
this
is
part
of
the
follow
up
to
these
questions.
We
need
to
see
what's
being
proposed
from
library
strategies
and
what's
has
been
done
for
me.
I
don't
know
if
I
need
to
go
through
that
this
very
moment,
but
but
I
will
do
whatever
the
trustees
want.
I
mean:
do
you
want
to
see
that
plan.
A
Okay,
so
let's
include
that
maybe
as
a
follow-up
to
these
questions,
then
jeanne
so
then-
and
actually
the
next
question
to
me-
is
a
spillover
from
what
we
this
discussion
is,
and
that
is
number
five.
Why
the
rush?
Why
don't
we
wait
until
we
get
a
better
handle
on
covet
and
get
better
results
from
community
input
as
opposed
to
spending
funds
and
then
being
put
on
hold
by
the
city
and
by
other
city
funding?
A
C
H
H
C
H
H
But
you
know
to
me
if
we
can
finally
get
to
the
point
where
we
know
what
the
library
project
is,
then
we
can
start
finalizing.
Okay,
what's
a
what's
a
reasonable
estimated
cost
for
that
project,
and
then
you
can
start
on
your
fundraising
effort.
We
can
start
figuring
out
how
we
can
prioritize
our
availability
to
provide
funding
for
it
from
the
city
and
really
get
it
on
a
path
to
where
we
can
start
delivering
it.
H
Otherwise
we're
just
going
to
spin
our
wheels
for
years
and
years
you
have
already
so
I
asked
you
know
how
stale
would
the
programming
get
if
we
say,
went
forward
with
it
and
we're
finished
with
it
by
sometime
next
year,
and
then
we
take.
You
know
three
four
five
years
to
get
to
the
point
where
we're
building
what
we
want
to
program
it
sounds
like
it
will
still
have
value.
H
G
I
think
people
are
really
tired
of
not
knowing
where
things
are
going
and
that
this
you
might
be
able
to
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
say
no
we're
still
doing
this
and
here's
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
here's
when
we
think
we
might
be
able
to
you
know
a
window
of
when
we
might
be
able
to
complete
a
new
library
project.
So
it
sort
of
be
giving
something
for
people
to
actually
look
forward
to
with
a
degree
of
certainty
so
that
maybe
just
be
mumbo
jumbo
to
anybody.
So.
C
E
No,
I
you
know,
I
totally
agree
with
that.
I
think
that
we've
got
some
momentum
going.
I
think
that
you're
right
that
you
know
everybody
there's
so
much
uncertainty
right
now.
Right
and
everybody
is
being
overly
cautious,
which
is
good,
but
I
think
that
it's
really
important
that
we
continue
to
move
forward
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
what
what
genie
was
talking
about.
E
The
previous
assessment
or
programming
that
was
looked
at,
I
mean
I
work
at
catherine,
fincher,
elementary
school
and
we're
making
so
many
changes
from
to
you
know
2013
to
now
and
the
technology
that
is
required
now
versus
in
2013.
E
I
mean
with
this
new
zoom
learning
I
mean
everything
has
changed,
so
all
of
the
things
that
we
thought
were
so
amazing
and
so
modern
and
we
were
just
on
the
cutting
edge
even
last
year.
You
know
with
this
with
the
situation
where
now
has
changed
so
dramatically,
and
I
just
feel
like
I
I
mean
I
would
love
for
us
to
be
able
to
use
that
information
right
to
help
with
this
programming.
E
But
even
though
I
mean
I
I
don't
know,
I
haven't
seen
it
so
I
really
can't
tell
you
that
it's
good
or
bad,
but
I
really
would
like
to
have
a
true
assessment
of
that
information
to
see
if
it
really
is
viable
for
now
and
for
the
future.
But
absolutely
we
need
to
get
moving
on
this.
We
need
to
get
rolling.
It
cannot
be
put
on
the
back
burner
until
later.
I
really
feel
very
strongly
about
keeping
the
momentum
going.
H
Okay,
if
the
board
were
to
decide
to
fund
the
programming
scope,
the
council
actions
already
occurred.
That's
concerned.
If
the
fee
had
gone
up
so
because
it's
gone
down
they,
you
know
the
action
is
still
there.
The
council
approved
amending
the
contract
for
the
90
000
scope
at
the
time
we
were
finding
it
in
measure
j.
At
this
point,
if
the
library
board
were
to
vote
to
use
library
trustee
funds,
it's
just
basically
changing
the
account,
and
so
I
I
don't
see
a
reason
why
we
couldn't
just
proceed
with
the
council's
prior
approval.
D
Yeah,
the
only
concern
I
have
there
is,
we
always
seem
to
have
a
partner
and
then
the
partner
disappears,
and
then
we
we
have
in
the
past,
spent
money
on
having
things
drawn
up
and
they
sit
and
we
don't
use
them.
So
it
was
a
waste
of
money
by
their
decision
that
didn't
involve
any
of
us
at
that
time.
D
F
Can
I
have
a
clarification
too
about
the
reason
mr
fuller
is
here
tonight,
because
I
I
think
I
got
clarification
just
now
about
the
fact
that
really
part
of
this
discussion
is
that
the
the
financing
for
the
continuation
of
the
consultants
project
is
to
come
from
the
board
of
trustees
as
opposed
to
the
city.
So
I
suppose
mr
fuller's
role
here
tonight
is
just
to
affirm
the
fact
that
the
city
is
still
willing
to
go
forward
with
whatever
they
approved.
H
I
don't
know
if
I
understand
the
question,
so
I
was
asked
to
be
available
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
and
that
that's
why
I'm
here?
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
following
a
question.
A
Let
me
jump
and
say
I
mean
we
invited
marcus
because
some
of
these
questions
none
of
us
could
answer
including
sue.
So
it
really
was
a
silly
question,
especially
when
it
comes
to
a
long-term
commitment
on
measure
j.
Can
we
count
on
that?
I
mean
there's
no
way
that
we
could
speak
to
that
and
we
asked
marcus
to
be
here
to
weigh
in,
and
you
know
what
does
he
think
and
he's
responded
to
that,
but.
A
I
don't
think
that's
a
mistake
at
all.
I
think
that
we
had
him
here
because
number
one
he's
been
our
our
city
representative
throughout
this
entire
project
and
process,
and
we
are
getting
questions
around.
Do
we
want
to
continue
to
pay
for
this?
The
city
is
ready
to
sign
the
contract,
and
now
the
funding
is
gone.
A
I
disagree.
I
they
do
need
his
input
because
he,
if
he
was
to
say
to
us,
hey
guys,
there's
no
way
that
this
is
ever
going
to
make
measure
j
again
for
the
next
10
years.
Then
that's
information
that
could
why
that's
why
we
have
the
question
why
the
rush?
Maybe
we
just
tabled
this
all
together
and
wait
for
the
city
to
come
back
with
funds.
A
Let's
move
on,
I
mean
we've
had
an
answer
to
number
six,
and
I
want
to
read
it
for
the
record.
Is
I'm
confused
by
the
bugs
of
information
considering
the
three
consultants
and
room
and
board
what
is
the
range
of
cost?
What
is
the
most
we
are
on
the
hook,
for
it
seems,
like
the
trust,
is
standing
alone,
with
a
lot
of
money
being
spent
on
consulting.
We
need
some
partners
with
a
product.
A
I
think
that
you
probably
answered
this
sue,
but
would
you
like
to
restate
your
answer
because
you
were
talking
to
us
about
number
seven
at
the
time.
G
D
D
I
don't
have
my
computer
with
me,
but
there
was
all
these
different
things
listed
and
when
I
started
tabulating
them
or
the
possibility
what
they
could
be,
the
number
was
getting
quite
high,
and
so
that's
why,
with
this
covid,
I
want
to
see
where
we're
going
to
be
at
it
doesn't
seem
like
you're
going
to
come
out
here
three
times
it
doesn't
seem
like
you're
going
to
need
hotels.
So,
since
I
wrote
these
questions,
you've
answered
part
of
this,
but
do
you
remember
what
the
amount
was
I
heard
tonight
yeah?
G
The
original
cost
was
for
ninety
thousand
dollars
in
consulting
fees
for
two
consultants,
not
on
site,
but
for
two
consultants
to
do
all
of
the
data
gathering
and
input
and
analysis
and
reporting,
and
then
drawing
up
your
program
plan
and
an
additional
five
thousand
dollars
as
part
of
a
consulting
fees
to
have
an
on-site
coordinator.
Who
would
help
identify?
Who
should
come
to
town
hall
meetings
and
where
we're
going
to
have
them
and
how
we're
going
to
get
the
information
out
and
basically
make
sure
everything
happens
on
site.
G
And
the
total
in
the
revised
budget
that
I
sent
you
for
all
that
apparently
got
lost
in
the
ether
somewhere,
for
everything
would
have
would
be
a
consulting
fees
of
five
thousand
dollars.
G
Seventy
thousand
dollars
and
then
travel
expenses
and
on-site
expenses
of
another
ten
thousand.
And
so
that.
C
G
I
couldn't
do
that
again
if
I
tried
so
the
consulting
fees
for
myself,
tony
garvey,
a
technology
and
communications
person
who
would
you
know,
manage
everything
from
av
to
zoom
logistics
and
whatever
somebody
on
site
who
would
cor?
Who
would
be
able
to
coordinate
on-site
logistics?
G
The
total
for
that
was
seventy
thousand
dollars
at
the
reduced
proposal,
and
then
we
did
a
not
to
exceed
limit
of
ten
thousand
dollars
on
travel
expenses,
which
would
obviously
go
down
because
we
wouldn't
be
out
there,
probably
more
than
one
time
does
that
answer
your
question.
D
G
60
000
for
the
two
library
strategies
consultant
5000
for
a
technology
and
communications
manager
to
just
handle
all
of
the
communications
and
technology
needs
and
then
another
five
thousand
dollars
for
an
on-site
coordinator.
Somebody
would
set
up
meetings
and
publicize
things
and
so
forth
and
again.
All
of
this
is
where
I
wish
we
could
do
a
not
to
exceed
budget
because
it
may
be
less.
It
would
not
be
more,
but
it
could
be
less.
D
Yeah
it
helps,
but
now,
if
we're
looking
at
the
possibility
of
having
you
spend
time,
reviewing
our
existing
plan,
that
was
done
in
2013.
G
G
I
would
say
that
you've
just
about
finished
your
shelf
life
or
you're,
getting
close
to
the
end
of
it,
because
when
it
was
drawn
up
seven
or
eight
years
ago
or
whatever
things
community
needs
were
different
than
they
are
now,
maybe
not
radically
different
but
genie.
I
haven't
looked
at
that
in
a
long
time.
I
don't
know
if
there
was
community
meeting
spaces
and
or
an
auditorium
or
whatever
in
there.
Can
you
refresh
my
memory,
the.
B
B
So
it
was
just
it
was
a.
It
was
a
program
that
fit
inside
this
building,
so
it
does
have
meeting
spaces
built
in
and
only
one.
No.
There
were
four
small
study
rooms.
G
G
That
I
mean,
if,
if
you
brought
together,
one
of
the
things
that
would
occur
on
this
is
there's
going
to
be
a
program
committee
and
we
could
sit
down
with
the
program
committee
and
say:
okay,
let's
start
with
this
okay,
can
we?
How
much
of
this
can?
How
much
of
the
program
information
could
be
kept
from
that
study
and
how
much
of
the
building
design
could
be
kept
yeah?
You
could
definitely
save
yourself
some
money
doing
that.
C
H
If
there's
a
no
more
questions
for
me,
I
I
do
have
to
go.
C
A
So
are
there
any
follow-ups
to
question
number
six.
A
Okay,
did
you
get
your
answers
on
that
one
yeah,
I'm
good!
Thank
you
and
the
last
question.
A
I
think
that
we've
also
talked
about,
but
the
trustees
would
like
an
itemized
breakdown
of
the
estimated
cost,
both
pre
and
post
covert.
So
I
think
you've
discussed
that,
but
we
haven't
seen
an
actual
piece
of
paper,
but
you
you
did
review
where
we
were
before
and
where
we
are
now
right.
Sue.
C
F
Oh
so
there
have
not
been
in
your
experience,
community
zoo
meetings,
yet.
A
D
Not
so
if
we
were
to
give
you
a
cap,
we
would
have
to
specify
within
that
capital.
We
would
want
you
to
cover
correct.
G
A
I
just
don't
know
my,
and
this
is
where
I
I
like.
This
is
a
marcus
question.
If
we
or
maybe
it's
for
you
genie,
if
we,
if
we
change
the
scope,
that's
been
approved
by
city
council
is
there,
is
it
still
okay?
I
mean
I
really
want
to
start
from
scratch
to
go
before
city
council
to
get
them
to
approve
it.
G
B
I
was
going
to
say
I
mean
this.
The
scope
and
the
worst
case
scenario
is
that
we
just
submitted
again
we
just
we.
We
revise
amendment
three
to
to
be
more
accurate
to
fit
this
specific
project.
If
there's
something
that
needs
to
be
done,
it's
amendment
three
is
pretty
vague
as
far
as
the
the
itemized
details
are
not
listed
in
there.
It's
just
the
scope
of
services,
the
program
planning
services
for
the
building
project
phase
two.
B
So
we
obviously
would
look
at
that.
If
we
need
to
do
it
again,
we'll
just
do
it
again,
but
if
it's,
if
it's
okay,
then
the
only
thing
I
need
to
do
is
revise
my
cover
sheet
to
tell
them,
which
account
number
it's
going
to
be
paid
for
and
then
send
it
through
for
our
city
attorney,
review
and
city
manager,
signature.
A
B
It's
still
a
city
project,
so
the
city
would
have
a
hand
in
that,
and
I
think
that
I
I
think
is,
I
think
soon
most
of
the
scope
is
still
nothing.
Would
none
of
that
part
of
the
project
would
change
it's
just
the
methodology
of
gathering
the
information
instead
of
having
community
in
person
means
you
would
be
doing
that
virtually.
G
And
jeanne,
I'm
almost
positive
that
that
you
had
this
revised
proposal
at
some
point,
largely
it's
been
formatted
to
have
you
submitted
to
the
the
council,
and
I
know
that
it
it
had
been
signed
from
our
end
because
that's
what
they
wanted
and
sent
back.
G
So
I
will
resend
it
again,
but
I'm
99
percent
sure
that
you
guys
saw
it
out
there.
B
Well,
this
went
to
council
in
february,
so
I
don't
know,
I
don't
think
it
would
have
been
revised
for
covid
or.
A
B
Yeah
but
the
the
documents
that
I
have
are
pre-coded,
so
I.
A
D
A
G
A
D
B
Say
that
the
friends
would
not
step
up
on
this
type
of
a
project,
they're
they're
willing
to
step
up
on
things
like
purchasing
furniture
for
a
new
library
and
and
helpings
they're,
very
supportive
in
that
method.
But
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
they.
I
don't
think
they
would
be
interested
in
supporting
this
level.
F
You
know
my
comment
kind
of
goes
my
thoughts
about
this
kind
of
go
around.
What
juanita
was
saying
earlier,
which
was
how
the
response
in
her
school
has
been
to
covet
and
how
they've
been
innovative
and
responsive
to
the
needs
of
the
community,
and
I
think
from
what
I've
observed
and
and
the
groups
that
I've
been
involved
with,
is
that
we've
all
evolved
and
we've
changed
our
day-to-day
lives
and
we've
also
changed
a
lot
of
how
we
communicate
with
other
people
and
how
we
get
our
information,
big
question.
F
Rush,
well,
I
can
tell
you
the
rush
and
I
can
see
when
it's
like
coming
up
here,
because
there's
momentum
right,
there's
there
we
got
the
community
engaged.
I
don't
know
if
the
community
is
still
engaged
to
the
level
that
they
were
last
summer
when
we
were
really
having
this
discussion.
We
were
you
know
getting
to
the
point
where
you
know:
wow
we've
actually
inspected
sites.
We
got
people
talking
about
it
in
the
community.
F
That's
why
I
think
at
the
bottom
of
this
page,
I'd
suggested
for
ed
to
write
a
rally
voice
article
or
something
to
actually
you
know,
get
people
talking
again,
because
I
think
the
conversation
may
be
started,
but
I
don't
know
if
we're
at
the
point
where
we
need
to
commit
to
spending
money
on
something
that
you
know.
I
don't
know
how
how
what
are
we
going
to
do
I
mean
even
library
a
go-go
was
something
that
really
was.
F
You
know
something
that
was
innovative
and
it
worked,
but
you
know
maybe
we'll
want
to
continue
with
library
of
gogo
when,
when
we're
back
to
normal,
when
the
doors
are
open,
are
we
still
going
to
see
the
same
number
of
people
showing
up
in
the
doors
once
they've
gotten
used
to
you
know
take
out
from
the
library
I
don't
know
we
might
have
to
change
the
entire
way
that
we
attract
people
to
this
building.
E
Okay,
I
just
really
feel
that
we've
got
some
momentum
and
I
think
that
if
we
want
to
keep
that
momentum,
we
have
to
keep
moving
forward.
We
can't
put
a
stop
right
now,
because
that
that
little
bit
of
momentum
that
we
have
is
going
to
completely
disappear
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
try
and
re-energize
everybody
to
keep
going,
and
I
just
feel
like
this
project
has
been
put
off
and
put
off
and
put
off
and
I
feel
like
we
need
to.
We
need
to
go
forward
and
we
need
to
commit.
D
See
I'm
thinking
that
the
data
we
collect
right
now
will
be
inaccurate,
not
any
better
than
what
we
collected
in
2013.
E
E
F
Yeah
because
then
you're
going
to
have
people
at
least
having
an
extensive
reference
other
than
what
it
used
to
be
in
the
past
they'll
say:
oh
I'm
using
the
library
for
this
now,
as
opposed
to
what
I
used
to
use
the
library
for.
C
D
C
C
C
A
B
A
And
let's
not
make
this
another
alumni
or
like
we
had
last
night
with
an
election,
so
7b
report
about
library,
resolutions
genie.
I
thank
you
for
on
the
agenda
to
talk
to
us
about
that.
B
I
did
a
virtual
meeting
with
the
city
clerk's
office
and
we
did
some
searching
where
I
could
see
the
screen
too,
and
I
in
your
little
memorandum
in
your
report
on
page
23,
it
doesn't
appear
that
we
found
anything
additional
that
would
that's
relevant.
B
There
was
a
resolution,
number
219
establishing
the
board
of
trustees,
but
that
was
1939
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
big
surprise
to
anyone,
and
then
there
was
another
resolution
that
established
cui
term
limits,
but
that
was
city-wide.
So
it
wasn't
anything
specific
to
the
library
board
of
trustees.
We
did
get
a
training
today
and
eventually
we'll
get
access
to
the
new
system
and
we
can
really
dig
in
if
we
want
to
and
see
if
we
find
anything
else,
but
right
now
there
wasn't
really
anything.
F
B
Yeah
right
now
we
don't,
we
don't
have
a
login
for
that
new
system.
But
since
we
attended
the
training
now
they're
going
to
give
us
access
and
and
get
us
access
to
that
system,
so
lisa
and
I
both
attended
the
training
this
morning
and
then
once
we
get
access,
then
we
could
dig
around
all
we
want,
but
I
I
helped
with
the
search
the
search
terms
and
trying
to
find
use,
different
keywords
and
things
like
that.
B
But
we
we'll
see
if
we
find
anything
else,
but
we
did
a
pretty
extensive,
extensive
search.
I
don't
expect
to
find
anything
new.
A
B
Trustee
kelly
had
just
asked
that
we
keep
it
on
the
agenda.
I
don't
have
anything
you
want
to
talk
about.
F
Well,
the
reason
why
I
want
to
keep
it
on
the
agenda,
because
I
was
hoping
that
maybe
we'd
get
some
more
definitive
information
about
the
library
resolutions,
but
just
to
refresh
I
mean
really
the
issue
which
has
been
kind
of
bubbling
along
the
circus
for
a
long
time
has
been.
Do
we
keep
this
endowment
with
the
city
or
do
we
take
it
somewhere
else
and
and
and
my
kind
of
musings
about
this
have
been
that
at
some
point
we
might.
F
If
we
get
serious
about
this,
talk
it
to
maybe
an
outside
counsel
or
a
professional
accountant.
Who
has
some
legal
background
to
assess
the
pluses
and
minuses
of
doing
such
a
thing
and,
having
you
know,
access
to
the
legal
documents
that
have
our
authority
drawn
out
really
is
kind
of
the
first
step
before
you
actually
ask
somebody
to
make
a
decision
on
that.
F
So
I
don't
have
a
specific
proposal
to
to
do
at
this
point,
but-
and
it
may
in
fact
be
that
when
we
do
actually-
and
I
would
probably
substitute
this
agenda
item
for
a
discussion
of
the
endowments
annual
report-
because
I
think
in
that
discussion-
which
we'll
make
sure
it
gets
done
in
december-
because
I'm
tired
of
saying
it
every
month
that
we
really
do
look
at
those
numbers
and
say:
does
it
make
sense
to
actually
get
some
outside
help
to
make
make
the
decisions
about?
D
Well,
I
think
I
brought
up
the
last
time
and
I
can
maybe
help
in
the
future
on
the
two
of
the
other
foundations,
I'm
on
they're,
looking
at
the
same
issue
of
whether
to
move
their
funds
or
how
their
funds
should
be
invested.
So
I
will
ask
them
once
the
final
decisions
are
made.
If
I
can
share
that
information
with
the
library
foundation,
if
that's
information
that
you
would
like
to
receive.
F
Yeah,
or
at
least
just
keep
in
your
back
pocket,
I
think
you
know,
especially
if,
if
any
of
the
boards
that
you're
working
with
have
reliable
outside
help,
you
know
would
certainly
be
nice
to
have
a
few
business
cards
in
our
rolodex.
In
case
we
make
that
decision.
A
Helpful
7d
report
on
interest
income
earned
by
I'm
sure
fiscal
year,
2020.
C
B
C
B
Okay,
let
me
share
the
screen:
okay,
so
in
your
packet
on
page
15
is
the
revenue
audit
trail
for
the
end
of
fiscal
year,
2020
so
june,
30th
2020.
B
We
finally
have
the
full
report
of
the
interest
income.
One
moment
I
check
one
more
thing:
make.
B
Okay,
so
we
have,
we
show
quarter,
one
quarter,
two
quarter
three
and
then
there's
a
there
are
three
transactions
and
there's
that
four
thousand
nine
hundred
eighty
one
dollars
and
sixty
nine
cents
that
david
kelly
was
asking
about,
and
it's
just
a
reversal
there.
So
it's
very
bizarre,
but
anyway
there.
My
guess
is
that
they
applied
that
those
fun.
It
says
fiscal
year
19..
So
my
guess
is
that
they
applied
those
funds
in
the
wrong
year
and
they
they
backed
it
out
for
some
reason.
But
the
finance
department.
B
B
Yeah
that
one
now,
what
I
was
told
in
the
past
was
that
they
will
do
a
quarter
one
two
three
and
four,
and
then
there
are
some
investment
tools
that
they
use
that
risk
you
get
an
annual
amount,
and
so
it
looks
like
they.
Maybe
that's
what
that
2
925
is,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
you
earned
thirty
four
thousand
fifty
eight
dollars
and
fifty
one
cents
in
interest
income
and
the
question:
does
that
money
automatically
go
into
your
cash?
B
And
the
answer
is
yes,
and
it
goes
in
when
it's
added,
so
in
september
ten
thousand
dollars
was
added
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
C
F
F
B
C
B
I
don't
see
which
page
it's
on.
If
it's
on,
we
already
have
our
first
quarter
interest
income
recorded,
find
the
right
page
not
on
that
one.
I
think
what
maybe
I
didn't
include
it,
but
I
have
already
seen
quarter
one
interest
income
applied.
Maybe
it's
going
to
be
on
your
next
month.
F
Quarter,
you
know
what
I
think
and
I'll
look
at
this
a
little
more
carefully,
but
I
think
probably
all
those
numbers
before
those
ten
thousand
dollar
figure
numbers
were
just
estimates
and
when
they
did
this
this
last
bit
here
and
with
the
negative
491,
they
were
actually
starting
to
figure
out
what
the
actual
number
should
be
and
adjusting
appropriately.
F
Because
from
what
I
understand
from
last
year,
their
process
is
that
when
they
do
figure
out
how
much
interest
was
earned
for
the
entire
for
all
the
city
funds
they
go
through
trying
to
figure
out
how
much
of
each?
F
B
F
Yeah
but
correct,
but
the
one
thing
one
of
the
things
you
can
see
is
that
in
the
far
left
column
it
says
that
it
was
done
1319
or
something
like
that.
So
isn't
that
kind
of
like
its
way
of
saying
that
this
was
done
not
exactly
as
you
know,
as
a
a
january
february
or
march
number.
But
then
it's
kind
of
like
correcting
the
year
is
that
what
13
usually
means.
B
Well,
the
13th
that's
the
13th
month
and
our
city
uses
that
extra
month
to
finalize
the
fiscal
year
because
several
for
whatever
re
you
know,
invoices
don't
come
in
until
after
you
know,
we
do
activity
in
june
and
then
the
invoice
comes
in
in
july.
So
we
need
that
extra
month
and
they
call
it
the
13th
month
right.
So.
C
A
So
number
eight:
this
is
just
information
only
I
need
we
need
to
work
juanita.
We
need
you
and
melissa
to
review
the
committee
assignments
and
sign
up,
and
so
what
I'll
do
is
I'll?
Send
you,
the
committee
descriptions
that
are
in
the
bylaws,
so
that
and
if
you
guys
want
to
have
a
conversation,
we
certainly
can.
But
it's
time
for
you
guys
to.
A
I
think
it's
calendar
year
or
is
it
everything's.
B
A
A
And
then
so
at
this
point
we
probably
I
mean
I
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
committee
work
going
on,
so
I
guess
I
could
back
up
on
that
and
just
say
we'll
just
wait
until
we
have
a
new
set
of
officers
and
then
we
can
look
at
the
committees.
Then
at
that
point,
because
I
don't
see,
there's
nothing
urgent,
coming
up
on
any
of
the
committees.
At
this
point.
C
A
A
All
right,
if
there
is
no
other
business
before
the
board
of
trustees,
then
we'll
call
this
meeting
well
during
this
meeting
can't
do
it,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
I'm
brain
dead.
We
don't
need
a
motion
to
close.
Do
we.
A
We
have
a
motion
so
we'll
see
you
guys
will
in
a
month
december,
all
right.