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A
A
B
B
Chair
before
you
get
into
the
committee's
revisions,
one
of
the
things
that
we
omitted
from
the
agenda
was
the
election
of
officers
were
supposed
to
do
that
at
the
first
meeting
in
July
every
year
and
apologize.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
by
a
motion
and
vote
of
the
AAC
members.
If
we
could
add
that
as
the
final
item
on
today's
agenda.
C
A
A
B
A
A
C
B
A
D
A
E
You
chair
the
slide:
that's
before
you
today
is
showing
you
the
location
of
the
pad
site
within
the
marketplace:
shopping
center,
it's
the
Box
in
yellow,
and
it's
on
along
Vista
Chino
between
the
Auto
Zone,
which
is
to
the
west,
and
then
there
were
rallies,
Auto
Parts,
which
is
to
the
east.
So
that's
just
to
orient
us
to
where
we're
we're
we're
looking
at
so
the
site
plan
shows
the
siting
of
the
building
between
the
parking
lot
of
O'reilly
and
then
the
building
of
autozone.
E
So
it
is
a
2,900
square
foot,
building
with
double
queueing
lane
that
pulls
into
a
pay
station
and
then
single-file.
They
will
go
into
the
wash
tunnel
of
the
building
and
come
out
on
the
north
side
and
circulate
back
into
the
driveway
within
the
park
they
within
the
driveway
of
the
shopping
center
and
then
will
exit
out
to
a
traffic
light
along
Cerritos
or
out
towards
sunrise.
E
There
is
also
a
vacuum
station
which
is
covered
with
a
canopy
to
the
east
or
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
and
also
on
this
site.
There
is
a
large
trash
enclosure
to
handle
the
refuse
and
also
an
enclosure
for
the
vacuum
equipment.
That's
all
along
the
bottom
of
the
slide
or
the
East
property
line,
I
like
to
point
out
that
there
also
is
a
pedestrian
entrance
or,
in
our
connection,
to
the
site
from
the
street
sidewalk
along
Vista
Chino,
and
also
there
is
a
screen
wall
that
is
it's
shown
on.
E
So
this
is
the
landscape
plan
showing
enhanced
landscaping
along
the
five
foot
wide
strip
of
land,
that's
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
screen
wall
that
we
talked
about
that
will
screen
the
cars
that
are
queued
to
pay
and
go
into
the
carwash
there's
landscaping
to
the
north.
Next
to
the
Auto
Zone,
there's
some
landscaping
to
the
south
or
the
East
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide
to
the
parking
lot
of
the
O'reilly's
and
then
some
other
landscaping.
E
E
The
architecture
of
the
building,
it's
the
maximum
height
for
the
middle
portion
within
the
tunnel
wash
tunnel
was
27
feet
tall,
the
lower
portions
are
14
and
the
canopies
the
pate,
the
a
station
canopy
is
ten
feet
tall
and
also
the
canopy
that
covers
the
vacuum
is
10
feet.
Tall
I
have
the
material
board
that
I'm
gonna
circulate
around
to
everybody.
E
So
the
base
of
the
building
is
a
CMU
block.
Multiple
shades.
There
are
multiple
shades
there
are.
There
are
several
columns
that
are
of
the
darker
Brown:
the
upper
portion
of
the
building
is
stucco
and
the
element
that
delineates
the
Washtenaw
is
a
lighter
brown
or
yellowish
in
the
center
of
the
building
in
the
white.
That
is
where
the
will
they
will
place
a
sign.
So
the
sign,
the
the
marketplace
has
a
sign
program
and
any
signs
that
were
submitted
to
for
the
building
will
be
evaluated
based
upon
the
sign
program.
E
This
is
a
cross-section
showing
what
will
be
visible
from
Vista
Chino
and
from
the
multiple
sides
of
the
building,
the
both
of
the
art
of
heart
stores
and
also
from
inside
the
driveway
of
the
shopping
center
in
your
packet
there's
also
a
floor
plan
that
shows
how
the
building
operates.
There's
a
cashiers
office,
a
manager's
office
and
then
employee,
lounge
and
then
equipment
areas.
So
there's
no
access
to
the
building
from
in
from
in
customers
to
the
building
on
the
roof.
E
Also
in
the
packet
there's,
a
topography
exhibit
there
is
a
preliminary
grading
plan
and
then
at
the
end,
we
have
some
3d
images
of
what
the
building
will
look
like.
As
we
mentioned,
there
is
screen
wall
that
is
a
long
Vista
Chino
to
hide
the
the
cars
that
are
queuing.
This
is
a
requirement
in
common
in
the
in
the
shopping
center,
there's
other
fast-food
restaurants
that
have
the
same
situation.
There's
a
McDonald's
and
a
Taco
Bell
that
also
have
similar
screen
walls,
and
this
is
showing
the
pedestrian
access
to
the
site.
E
The
one
large
Palo
Verde
tree,
that's
proposed
another
landscaping
and
the
different
colors
of
the
building
and
the
material
board
has
been
sent
around
with
the
paint
chips
for
everyone
to
see,
and
the
final
slide
is
the
is
the
site
plan.
One
item
that
was
that
needs
to
be
evaluated.
More
is
a
site
lighting.
The
site
lighting
plan
that
was
submitted
is
does
not
meet
the
standards
of
the
zoning
code.
E
It's
too
bright,
so
they
need
to
come
back
with
a
new
site
lighting
plan,
basically
cutting
the
lights
in
half,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
to
the
AC
and
your
recommendation
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission.
This
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
application
and
a
major
architectural
application.
The
co
P
is
required
because
a
car
wash
needs
a
Cu
P
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
E
E
E
That
concludes
my
report.
There
is
additional
information
that
is
was
given
to
you
by
one
of
the
neighborhood
organizations,
the
the
city
notifies
all
neighborhood
organizations
within
a
half-mile,
and
they
responded
back
in
support
of
the
project.
So
that
concludes
my
report
and
the
folks
will
quick.
Quack
are
here.
A
F
I'll,
just
give
you
just
a
quick
overview
on
cuack
cuack
is
based
out
of
Roseville
Sacramento
area.
This
will
be
their
six
or
seventh,
depending
on
the
timing
of
it
here
in
the
Coachella
Valley.
They
have
three
acquisitions.
One
opened
up
in
Coachella
this
past
December.
One
will
open
up
later
this
month
in
Desert
Hot
Springs.
We
have
a
ground
up
in
Cathedral
City,
as
well
as
this
site.
Quick
quack
has
approximately
50
locations,
they'll,
add
about
30
this
year,
all
Express,
it's
a
touchless
carwash.
F
We
have
two
employees
on
site,
so
there's
not
a
bunch
of
employees
loitering.
If
you
will
not
that
they
are
loitering,
but
that's
what
it
often
looks
like
on
those
full-service
deals
and
when
they
dry
in
your
car
and
all
that,
so
we
don't
offer
any
product
for
sale.
It's
we
offer
car
washes
and
vacuums,
and
that's
it
as
you
can
tell
this
is
the
elevation
we
we
try
to
take
the
the
chick-fil-a
model.
If
you
will,
if
the
CEO
were
here,
he
would
say:
look
you
can
you
can
go
to
a
lot
of.
F
You
have
a
lot
of
different
opportunities,
but
we
want
to
offer
the
best
customer
experience.
We
would
treat
our
employees
the
best.
We
want
to
build
a
better
building
that
looks
better
blends
in
architectural
ewwww.
One
of
the
things
that
that
staff
pointed
out
on
the
the
canopies
is
there
a
metal
canopy
law
is
a
standing,
seam
metal,
that's
fabricated
by
quick
quack,
one
of
the
things
that
you
see
in
our
competition
a
lot
of
times,
it'll
be
like
a
mesh
or
a
cloth.
It
deteriorates.
F
It
really
doesn't
offer
much
protection
to
the
customer
from
the
Sun
does
get
a
bit
warm
here.
So
that's
just
some
of
the
highlights
we're
very
environmentally
friendly.
Three
1500
gallon
reclaim
tanks,
they
caPSURE
a
hundred
percent
of
the
water.
The
Western
carwash
Association
estimates
that
if
you
watched
a
car
in
your
driveway
in
addition
to
washing
dirt
and
grease
and
oil
down
the
street
you're,
also
using
between
125
and
150
gallons
of
water,
we
use
on
average
about
18
gallons
of
water
per
car
with
fresh
water.
That's
introduced.
D
G
G
F
So
our
car
wash
again
it's
Express
model.
It
is
only
we,
the
car,
the
customers,
don't
get
out
of
their
car
unless
they're
using
the
free
vacuum
so
well,
when
you're
coming
off,
whether
you're
coming
from
the
shopping
center
or
off
of
this
Ticino
around
our
neighbor.
Here
you
come
in
through
the
back
you
pull
through
and
around
the
front
into
our
stacking
lanes.
F
At
this
point,
we
have
stacking
for
I,
think
this
will
hold
up
18
cars
or
so
the
the
canopies
are
covered
here,
where
we
have
our
employees
that
use
a
tablet
based
POS
system,
so
they
take
your
order.
Essentially
you
pull
through
and
then
into
the
end
of
the
tunnel
here
and
exit.
At
this
end,
we
do
have
a
quote:
unquote:
emergency
exit,
it's
more
for
things!
If
you,
if
a
one
of
our
employees,
see
something
hanging
off
the
car,
not
that
there's
many
antennas,
any
more
broken
antennas,
etc,
rather
than
having
them
back
up.
F
G
F
Yeah,
okay
I
know
which
one
I
was
thinking
of
the
other
one
yeah,
the
ones
that
we
have
the
we
have
acquired
three,
including
that
one
I'd
say
the
desert
wash
on
Washington
at
Fred.
Waring
is
probably
the
closest
to
what
we
would
offer.
Of
course
we
have
the
one
in
Coachella
on
the
opposite
end
of
the
valley
from
you.
Those
are
more
representative
of
what
we
build.
So
in
order
to
accelerate
their
entry
into
the
market,
they
have
acquired
some,
but
they
don't.
Unfortunately,
they
don't
stand
up
necessarily
to
what
we
build
ground
up.
F
F
Is
this
site,
just
because
of
the
constraints
of
the
site,
has
been
a
tough
one
for
us
to
site
plan?
We
do
need
the
two
stacking
lanes
in
a
lot
of
places.
We'll
do
three
mostly
and
a
lot
of
it
is
optics,
so
we
can
generate
through
this
tunnel
about
a
hundred
and
sixty
cars
an
hour
like,
if
that's
absolutely
going
through
the
top
speed
we
average
wash
between
450
and
500
cars
a
day.
So
we
don't
have.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about.
F
You
know
about
too
much
stacking
because
we
don't
want
to
obviously
to
have
any
conflicts
here,
but
to
go
down
to
a
single
lane
would
probably
increase
the
risk
of
us
of
having
the
conflict
of
the
exit
of
the
tunnel,
which
would
which
would
stop
the
site,
but
the
way
it's
designed
now
and
the
way
we've
projected
it
there.
There
won't
be
any
traffic
conflicts
there,
because.
G
F
Just
the
way,
the
way
that
the
site,
the
constraints
and
the
way
that
the
site
narrows
up
here
we've
tried
to
do
some
different.
We've
been
working
on
this
site
for
about
two
and
a
half
to
three
years
now,
I
would
say
so
we
really
want
to
be
here.
We
really
want
to
be
in
Palm
Springs,
and
this
is
the
layout
that
we've
we've
been,
that
we
feel
that
works
the
best
and
offers
the
best
experience
for
the
customer.
Okay,.
A
F
The
only
thing
that's
sacred,
two
quick
quack
really
are
the
lengths
of
the
tunnel
and
and
I'll
say
that,
because
we
have
three
standard
links-
and
this
is
not
one
of
those
three
standard
links
just
because
again,
the
design,
the
constraints
here.
The
only
thing
that
that
we
really
like
to
see
on
our
elevation
is
that
is
the
arch
feature,
that's
that
you
see
on
the
entry
and
the
exit
Thank
You
Glen.
F
So
that's
really
a
that's
really
a
branding
thing,
everything
else,
the
materials
and
all
of
that
we
do
that
just
to
blend
in
to
match
the
center
in
in
most
cities
we
live
in
Phoenix,
and
we
develop
here
in
California
and
in
Texas
and
in
Texas
is
the
only
thing
where
we
can
kind
of
do
a
cookie
cutter
everywhere
else.
We
really
have
to
do
to
blend
into
two
local,
the
shopping
center
and
local
design.
The.
H
F
This
is
we're
only
27
feet
here
we
typically
build
a
30
in
Phoenix.
We
have
one,
that's
35
feet,
so
we're
not
as
I,
don't
believe
we're
as
tall
as
our
neighbors
I
think
they're
neighbors
on
either
side
of
us
are
28
or
30
feet.
C
F
You
know
that
this
the
site
is,
you
know
we
will
have
extra,
will
grand
opening
and
we'll
have
you
know
a
period
of
free
car
washes
and
we'll
have
extra
staff
for
that
this
a
lot
of
times
this
area
here
is
coned
off.
So
when
the
customer
comes
in
the
only
area
they
can,
they
can
come
in
as
through
here.
Okay,.
C
D
F
A
So
piggybacking
I
think
one
one
one
of
the
circulation
situation
right
now
is
that
it's
two
ways
so
pretend
that
I'm
coming
to
which
I
have
in
other
facilities,
pretend
I'm
coming
into
that
driveway.
That
has
the
vacuum.
Okay,
so
I'm
coming
in
and
then
I'm
doing
the
full
loop
right
and
then
I
get
stacked
and
then
from
there
I
turn
it
go
inside,
get
the
car
clean
and
then
I
come
out
and
then
I
park,
because
I
want
to
vacuum
inside
the
car.
F
A
Understand
but
it's
it's
where
you're
bringing
people
in
as
well
as
where
you're
letting
people
out
so
one
of
the
questions
is:
have
you
considered
a
layout
in
which
only
people
who
so
if
the
vacuums
are
on
the
way
out,
only
so
pretend
for
a
moment
like
the
whole
building
is
flipped?
And
then
you
have
the
entry
driveway
from
the
west
side,
and
so
you
stack
them
on
the
left
side.
So
it's
just
one
single
sort
of
scrip
in
which
people
come
out
and
then
leave.
Have
you
have
you
considered
that
kind
of
scenario
I.
F
J
J
Totally
laugh
at
it
tonight,
but
with
the
state
controlling
that
and
everything
else.
We
also
want
one
of
the
very
initial
plans.
This
entire
layout
was
flipped
trying
to
get
the
back.
He
was
over
here,
but
because
of
the
shorter
distance
lengths
of
the
property
line
and
the
requirements
of
the
setbacks
and
there's
a
kind
of
a
50%
rule,
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
that
was
going.
We
had
to
flip
this
around
we've
been
in
a
process
of
working
on
that
site.
J
J
The
reason
this
lot
hadn't
developed
were
ever
there
was
a
lawsuit
with
stater
brothers
and
shopping
center
owner,
and
they
finally
settled
all
that
and
got
all
the
releases
I,
don't
know
all
the
details
that
but
we'd
been
held
up
for
a
long
time
wanted
to
submit
this
I
think
planning
got
tired
of
us
showing
up
saying
we're
ready
to
start.
No,
we
call
it
me
your
lighter,
but
the
we
have
this
type
of
layout
in
numerous
locations
and
that's
another
reason
like
mikus
was
talking
about.
J
Is
the
two
stacking
lines
and
one
other
thing
that
he
I
can't
remember?
Who
asked
that
question
about
the
stack
yeah,
sir?
Was
it
you,
but
the
outside
lane
also
becomes
an
express
lane
for
the
for
the
membership
members.
They'll
have
signage
up,
for
that
were
the
people
of
by
the
monthly
pass
they
could
go
through
because
I'll
have
license
plate
recognition
and
the
ability
to
keep
them
moving
quicker
than
the
person.
That's
the
first
time
user,
but
unit
with
the
stacking
lines.
J
So
you
don't
back
traffic
in
front
of
of
where
the
vacuum
is
park.
We've
we've
never
had
a
problem
with
that.
You
also
mike
saying
you
got
our
24
or
foot
dry,
but
you
have
a
I
can't
read
that
it's
a
five
or
six
foot
sidewalk,
and
so
what
a
car
backs
out.
They
have
additional
space
to
back
over
and
said,
I
have
to
worry
about
a
car
behind
them,
but
we've
got
this
this
type
of
a
layout
in
numerous
locations
around
the
country
and
never
had
a
problem
with
it.
A
J
A
you
know,
most
of
the
most
the
curve
around
the
perimeter
is
a
6
inch,
curb
and
gutter
or
or
a
free-standing
curb
depending
upon
the
grade.
The
interior
curbs
where
you
come
into
here
on
this
side.
Excuse
me,
are
a
lazy
back
curb,
so
people
don't
hit
their
hit
the
rims
and
stuff
on
them.
If
they
cut
the
corners
short,
we
we
are
in
the
final
design,
get
a
shortness
tunnel
just
a
little
bit,
so
they
have
a
better
experience
on
that
turn
in
and
the
rest
of
it'll,
pretty
much
say
is
say.
J
A
J
J
J
That's
that's
the
brand
identity
as
a
whole,
all
of
all
of
the
newer
buildings
that
we're
doing
this.
Building
that
the
difference
is
this
building
because
of
what
Mike's
talking
about
site
constraints
is
a
little
shorter,
the
tunnel
itself
and
the
structure
usually
the
same
their
ideal
height
on
this
is
30
feet.
We
were
asked
to
shorten
it
by
planning
early
on
and
we
complied
with
that
the
standing
seam
metal,
the
stucco.
This
is
all
block
with
different
type
block
materials.
Normally
in
the
desert
scheme
that
the
new
car
washers
are
doing.
J
A
J
A
A
J
J
A
A
A
A
A
J
What
we've
done,
if
we
work
with
staff,
to
do
this
or
have
them
present
it
back
to
you?
What
we
have
done
is
where
this
comes
around.
We
would
basically
sometimes
we've
adjusted
the
height
to
where
it
dies
in
here.
Other
times
it's
gone,
you
don't
about
the
bottom
of
the
white
and
across
and
all
this
area
outside
of
the
arch.
A
J
A
J
J
A
A
A
A
You
can
have
two
oversized
pilaster
and
on
each
end
and
make
that
a
clean
span
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
see
if
there's
a
way
to
clean
up
the
elevation,
so
instead
of
having
punches,
is
actually
more
composed
to
your
tower
I
call
it
the
tower
element,
and
then
your
entry
see
how
your
entry
is
seen
as
a
much
larger
width
with
the
double
doors
and
then
the
windows,
you
can
see.
That's
an
entry.
A
A
J
A
J
J
J
H
The
CMU
block
it
looks
like
it's
a
polished
face
block,
but
the
rest
of
the
shopping
center
is
all
split
face,
concrete
block.
Would
you
consider
using
a
split
face
that
matches
the
other
buildings
that
are
in
the
shopping
center
I
like
the
different
colors
and
all,
but
just
a
little
different
texture
to
the
face
of
the
book?
You're.
H
J
J
D
D
G
D
G
We
have,
rather
than
going
all
the
way
around,
and
then
you
come
back
out
and
so
I
don't
know
if
they
investigated
that
in
terms
of
the
landscape
plan,
there's
palm
trees
that
are
proposed
along
Vista
Chino
at
a
eight-foot
height
I
think,
with
the
height
of
the
building.
Those
certainly
I,
don't
think
they
need
to
believe
there's
existing
palm
trees
out
there.
G
They
don't
need
to
match
that
height,
but
they
should
be
at
least
14
feet
in
height
initially
and
on
the
east
side
of
the
property
between
O'reilly
Auto
Parts,
that
there's
some
small
hedge
Metiria
or
landscape
material
near
the
vacuums
and
in
the
proposed
plant
there.
It
is
it's
a
very
small
plant
that
gets
1218
inches
in
height
and
they
may
want
just
either
more
of
them
or
something
a
little
bit
larger,
because
a
lot
of
people
you
know
I
can
just
see
them
cutting
through
there.
G
A
A
Put
a
composition
of
also
additional
planting
in
between,
as
well
as
the
I
believe
they
say
of
pompon
on
that
bigger
Island
before
they
turn
into
the
stacking
lane.
So
this
is
more
like
a
tight
urban
question.
When
you
have
such
little
strip
where
the
plants
do
well
and
if,
if
their
staff
are
walking
around,
would
it
be
better
served
practically
to
you
know
the
event
more
of
DG
rather
than
have
heavily
landscaping,
it.
A
G
H
Wonder
if
any
consideration
has
been
given
to
taking
the
vacuum
cleaning
vacuum
area,
that's
got
a
roof
over
it
and
attaching
that
to
the
building,
so
that,
instead
of
having
this
freestanding
shade
structure,
it
becomes
more
of
a
cohesive
architectural
piece
and
that
might
help
to
cut
down
the
feeling
of
the
height
of
the
building.
I.
Think
that
the
idea
of
wrapping
those
columns
all
the
way
around
to
make
it
a
wall
is
brilliant.
You
know
it
really
improves
that
French.
B
H
C
I
went
online
and
their
corporate
logo
was
a
duck
yeah
green
and
my
and
I
understand
corporate
identity.
The
feel
of
this
feels
like
you're,
entering
a
Disneyland
ride
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
suggest
to
sort
of
make
it
less
Disneyland
ish
and
a
little
bit
more
architectural
and
fitting
for
the
Palm
Springs
I,
like
your
idea
of
wrapping
the
pilasters
I'm,
not
sure
they
should
be
at
the
same
height
that
they
currently
are
I
think
it
might
conflict
with
the
whole
entry
thing,
so
maybe
they
get
dropped
down.
C
D
C
Some
making
them
narrower
might
help
that
elevation
and
I
have
I
have
concerns
also
about
the
circulation.
I.
Think
your
point
Maria
about
coming
into
the
vacuum
area
after
you
after
you,
have
your
car
wash
and
then
have
to
deal
with
backing
out
while
people
are
entering
or
crossing
traffic
seems
a
little
convoluted
and
but
if
they
said
they've
done
this
before
and
it
works
I,
you
know
I
wish
the
building
were
a
little
less
busy
yeah.
C
I
I
think
you
talked
it
in
the
right
direction.
I
might
even
suggest
it
as
the
pilasters
wrap
around
the
corners
in
order
to
resolve
all
that's
happening
with
that
I.
Don't
want
to
call
it
a
golden
arch,
but
all
that's
happening
with
that
arch.
Maybe
they
get
shortened
down
so
that
they
line
up
with
something
happening.
I
As
it
comes
around
the
corner,
it
was
one
suggestion
the
other
one
was
I
was
noticing
that
the
coping
that
runs
along
the
West
elevation
and
runs
into
the
first
pilaster
seems
to
be
at
a
higher
height
on
the
side
of
the
building
than
what
I
think
is
a
trellis
above
the
window.
So
it
would
be
nice
if
that
were
a
continual
line
that
ran,
or
you
know,
seemingly
through
the
pilaster,
so
those
I
think
would
be
better
off
if
they
were
lined
up.
I
I
also
share
some
of
the
same
concern
about
the
criss
cross
traffic
happening
at
the
entrance
with
cars
having
to
cross
over
each
other's
traffic
lane
to
getting
in
and
out
of
the
vacuum
area
and
I.
Think
perhaps
the
I
mean
I
would
just
have
to
say
you're
the
experts.
You
know
what
works
and
and
defer
to
that,
but
perhaps
the
idea
of
moving
the
vacuum
lanes
up
attached
to
the
building
might
help
resolve
that,
but
it
certainly
would
help
resolve
the
height
the
visibility
issues.
A
Think
to
the
idea
from
Tom
about
moving
it
moving
the
shaded
carport
to
the
building,
so
that
there's
more
relief
between
the
building
and
the
driveway
I
think
that's
excellent,
and
then
this
idea
that
when
you're
turning
right
after
you
got
your
car
wash,
you
know
you're
turning
right
closer
to
the
drive
aisle
that
has
the
vacuum.
I
think
that
may
so
I
think
overall
we're
we're
very
excited
that
this
kind
of
project
is
coming
in
and
it
gives
an
alternative.
A
It
just
need
quite
a
bit
of
tweaking
both
on
the
side
and
the
exterior
elevation
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
do
this
as
a
committee
where
we
can
give
him
the
directions
of
how
to
better
proportion
sort
of
the
exterior
elevations
and
in
the
driveway,
so
that
we
can
have
a
more
dialogue
rather
than
you
know,
going
at
it
and
then
see
if
they
can
guess
right
on
what
we're
doing.
Madame.
B
B
I
H
D
B
A
K
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
ASC,
so
the
item
you
have
before
you
today,
most
of
you
who
have
been
on
the
board
for
for
a
while,
must
have
seen
these
before.
K
That
is
when
he
came
to
you
as
an
amendment
and
then
also
an
amendment
to
the
original
preliminary
plan
development
district.
So
at
that
time,
if
I
recall
I
was
in
2016,
we
brought
it
to
you
not
only
to
change
the
development
standards,
but
also
the
design
guidelines
who
was
part
of
what
you
reviewed
way
back
in
2016,
and
at
that
time
you
made
a
recommendation
of
approval
both
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council.
They
took
your
recommendation
and
approved
the
project
so
a
little
background
before
I
call
on
the
mr.
K
Cunningham,
because
it's
indicated
that
he
will
be
making
a
presentation
on
to
you,
so
he
will
be
doing
the
design
aspect
of
it.
But
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
processing
of
this
project.
We've
talked
before
about
preliminary
development.
This
is
the
final.
We
talked
about
development,
district,
PDD
being
two
steps.
K
So
to
say,
this
project
has
specific
design
guidelines
that
you
will
be
evaluating
this
PDD
against
today.
In
other
words,
so
the
attachment
I
would
provided
you
has
both
the
proposal
and
the
Green
copy.
This
one
here,
thou
that
that
represents
the
development
standard,
those
where
those
three
variations
of
design
and
material
and
other
components
of
the
design
is
based
upon.
So,
if
you
go
to
your
memo,
those
are
you
have
some
excerpts
from
these
design
guidelines
that
are
incorporated
into
that
staff
report
and
that's
what
this
fine
ability
will
be
evaluated
against.
K
So
this
is
the
overall.
The
slider
Sina
is
the
overall
sideline
of
the
Maryland
project
and
the
dark
areas.
Where
are
the
lots?
That's
been
proposed
to
be
built
at
this
time
by
Woodbridge,
so
this
initial
final
PD
will
involve
44
units
out
of
the
752
single
family
units
at
the
Maryland
I
think
about
two
weeks
ago.
We
also,
we
brought
the
the
preliminary
plan
development
district
of
the
multifamily
development
to
the
west
of
these
units
to
you,
if
you'll
recall
so
going
to
this
specific
proposal
again
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
K
This
involves
our
44
initial
unit
that
I've
been
brought
to
you
and
each
of
the
other
of
the
44
units.
There
are
three
four
specific
plans.
That's
been
proposed
to
you.
You
know
there
was
there'll,
be
four
different
types
of
plans,
each
of
those
four
plans.
We
have
three
variations
of
elevations
so
again,
I'm
just
gonna
give
a
brief
overview
when
mr.
Cunningham
comes
up
here,
we
go
more
into
details,
but
here
is
just
a
site:
a
portion
of
the
site
plan
and
the
plot
line
of
where
those
homes
will
be
sited.
K
I
know
that
you
usually
don't
go
into
development
standards.
It's
a,
but
also
one
mentioned
that
because
of
the
desire,
development
standards
and
design
guidelines
that
were
previously
approved
by
the
council.
This
project
conforms
to
all
the
development
standards
so,
for
instance,
setbacks,
Heights
and
density.
All
those
are
consistent
with
the
development
standards
our
previously
approved
for
this
project.
K
So
again,
this
is
the
other
part.
This
is
the
second
portion
of
the
plot
plan
and
underneath
that
you
will
see
the
typical
layout
of
the
blood
of
the
homes
itself
and
I
mentioned
earlier
on,
that
are
the
44
units.
We
consist
of
four
different
plan
types
that
is
planned
one,
two,
three
and
four.
So
this
elevation
you
see
now
on
the
board
or
on
the
monitor
I,
represent
those
four
different
elevations.
K
K
This
had
exterior
elevation
of
plan
1a
the
enhanced
version
of
plan
one,
so
this
is
plan
to
the
three,
the
three
proposed
elevations
for
plan
to
a
B
and
C,
and
these
are
the
three
air
beside
the
right
side
and
the
left
side
of
the
elevations
this
will
represent.
This
is
plan
type
3
and
it's
three
elevations.
All
these
are
in
your
and
much
more.
Details
are
provided
in
the
packages
that
were
provided
to
the
ASC,
and
these
are
the
the
rear,
decide
the
right
and
left
side
elevations
of
the
proposals.
K
So
finally,
this
is
plan
type
four,
in
addition
to
the
defining
characteristics
that
are
contained
in
the
development
guidelines.
Much
both
materials
and
landscaping
were
a
part
of
what
she
recommended
for
approval
and
he
came
to
you
as
a
preliminary
plan
development
district
in
2016,
so
the
materials
that
I
used
here
I
do
have
material
that
I
proposed.
All
these
are,
of
course,
taken
from
the
pre-approved
materials.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
both
by
the
ASE
n
becomes
PC
and
Council.
K
It
is
a
moral
discipline,
so
they
decided
the
in
addition
to
the
define
a
PD,
we
also
have
defined
our
planned
development
districts
for
the
landscaping.
The
typical
front
yard
landscaping
for
the
single-family
are
consistent
with
what
was
previously
approved
and
I
mentioned
in
the
memo
about
focused
Lots.
Those
are
usually
lost,
only
that
are
more
visible
within
the
site
and
those
are
to
be
treated
or
to
be
given
an
extra
treatment
just
because
of
the
allocation,
so
those
are
either
on
the
intersections
that
are
visible
or
in
the
corners.
K
So
a
very
good
example
is
the
one
that
you
see
now
and
in
one
of
the
the
recommendations
that
staff
made,
as
you
knew
you
are
gonna
prove
this
is
to
ask
for
an
enhancement
of
that
landscaping.
There
are
the
three
species
of
trees
that
are
proposed
here
are
consistent
again
with
the
list
of
trees.
However,
started
believes
that
that
could
be
enhanced,
add
more
variations
to
the
plans
to
the
shrubs
and
to
the
trees
itself,
to
make
it
a
little
bit
much
more
pleasing
aesthetically
pleasing
than
what
we
currently
have.
K
So,
finally,
before
I
call
on
mr.
Cunningham
staff
is
recommending
approval
for
this
project,
based
on
those
four
recommended
conditions
and
those
I
again
based
on
staffs
evaluation
of
the
project
against
the
design
guidelines.
That
is
the
controlling
document
for
this
development.
One
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
use
of
stone
veneer
in
the
elevations.
K
We
are
stone
veneer
where
you
stifle
that
the
little
space
they
feel
out
of
place
so
that
could
be
enhanced
and
that,
in
addition
to
other
areas
that
the
AAC
might
see
fit
to
make
this
project
more
successful
is
what
staff
will
recommend
and
I
will
conclude
my
report
I'm
available
to
answer
your
questions
before
we
call
on
the
developer.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
K
So
we
are
recommending
that
number
one
that
should
be
just
I'm
thinking.
That
could
be
more
creativity,
especially
on
this
angle.
Right
here
is.
K
The
side
street
yeah
on
the
side
street.
This
is
where
I'm
asking
for
my
enhancement
this.
These
are
pretty
much
consistent
with
what
we
previously
approved
in
terms
of
the
quantity
of
planting
and
in
terms
of
the
species
of
trees
that
are
being
proposed
about
here.
I'm,
just
thinking
that
a
little
bit
more
could
be
done.
Maybe
additional
groupings,
additional
plantings,
add
more
sizes
of
plantings,
yeah
that
could
make
it
a
little
bit
more.
Thank
you.
C
K
D
K
K
G
K
So
when
next
time
they
come
back,
we'll
be
staff
review
only
that's
what
we
do.
So
there
are
three
stages
of
review
for
landscaping.
This
is
just
very
first
one
or
door
is
the
last
time
that
the
SE
will
see
this
when
it
comes
back
to
staff,
we
would
do
the
dust
when
we
will
review
the
detail
in
the
irrigations
and
to
make
sure
that
it
is
consistent
with
our
technical
guidelines
and.
K
K
K
L
The
project
is
in
the
Maryland
community,
which
has
been
repurposed
from
a
golf
course
to
the
olive
groves
and
we're
real
excited
to
be
part
of
this.
The
significance
of
the
design
of
the
homes
is
that
we
have
a
long.
We
have
a
row
of
homes
on
both
sides
of
this
street.
This
is
to
the
west,
with
olive
groves
the
homes
on
the
east
side,
there's
a
block
wall,
there's
a
street
that
comes
in
here
and
a
block
wall
behind
them,
and
it's
very
kind
of
nondescript
secondary
entrance
to
the
community.
L
Nothing
really
back
here
and
then
also
that
we
have
a
condition
that
we
can't
have
two
story:
elements
within
a
certain
distance
at
these
homes
over
here.
So
there'll
be
no
two
story:
homes
on
this
side
street
and
any
second
story
element
on
this
south
street.
It
has
to
be
pushed
off
the
street
so
that
we
have
it's
200
or
250
feet
or
something
that
before
we
hit
a
second
troye
element.
So
the
the
predominant
view
is
to
the
west
and
south
to
the
mountains,
and
it's
it's
pretty
good
out
there.
L
So
what
we've
designed
on
the
west
side
of
street,
which
would
be
these
homes,
is
that
where
all
the
pools
are
in
their
rear
yards
and
the
entertainment
areas
in
their
yards
and
on
the
east
side
of
the
street,
the
pools
are
in
the
front.
The
houses
are
pushed
as
far
back
as
we
can
push
them
to
the
setback
and
then
there's
just
a
block
wall
right
behind
it
and
then
a
street
behind
it
and
there's
really
no
few
and
no
reason
to
be
in
the
back
of
those
homes.
L
When
there's
a
view
out
the
front
and
we
can
put
the
entertainment
areas
and
the
pools
and
patio
covers
and
such
on
the
front
of
the
front
of
those
homes.
That's
what
we
did
at
our
project
and
sky
is
real
successful
front
yards
on
one
side
and
back
in
front
here,
pulls
on
one
side
and
backyard
pulls
in
the
other
side
and
take
advantage
of
you.
These
are
front
yard
pools
because,
though,
have
views
to
the
to
the
South
kind
of
Southwest.
L
So
those
are
the
predominant
features
of
the
homes
on
the
west
side,
the
street,
which
is
our
plain
one,
and
two
and
I'm
sorry
on
the
east
side
street
and
on
the
west
side,
which
is
our
plan
three
and
four,
which
is
where
there
is
a
house
with
a
two-story
element
to
it,
but
yeah
you
can
go
to
the
next
one
more.
The
same
discussion
keep
going.
Thank
you.
L
We
talked
about
the
tubular
steel
fence
in
the
rear
of
the
homes
on
the
west
side.
If
we
go,
maybe
if
we
go
and
keep
going,
I
think
there's
another
exhibit
that
comes
up.
This
is
this
is
the
landscaping
we
talked
about.
There
is
paving
there
pavers
and
and
asphalt
combination
on
the
front
of
those
per
the
guidelines
and
the
driveways.
L
These
are
just
where
the
model
homes
are
going
to
go.
This
is
a
street
scene
elevation.
You
can
see
on
the
on
the
west
side,
there
is
a
second-story
element,
but
it's
pushed
back
off
the
street
you
saw
when
Edward
is
going
through,
which
showed
those
two
story
that
two-story
element
looked
like
that
it
was,
you
know,
just
stacked
right
on
top,
but
it's
not
that
second-story
element
has
pushed
quite
a
ways
back,
whereas
on
this
side
street
there'll
be
no
two-story
elements.
L
L
The
one
thing
about
the
plan-
one
and
the
two,
which
is
on
the
east
side,
with
the
pools
in
the
front
you
pretty
much-
are
gonna
have
a
two-car
garage.
These
are
40
foot
wide
houses,
so
you
got
a
20
foot
wide
garage
and
then
you
got
a
20
foot
area
over
here
for
the
pool
in
front
of
the
house.
So
there
isn't
too
many
different
ways.
You
can
do
that
and
get
the
pool
in
the
front.
L
Besides,
we
did
pop
out
these
are
trade
easement
they're,
a
lot
lot
line
trade,
easement,
home,
seven
foot
and
three
foot,
so
we
do
have
because
we're
three
feet
off
the
property
line.
This.
This
would
be
the
blank
side
of
the
house
with
these.
These
windows
are
up
high
for
privacy
into
the
adjacent
property,
but
we
do
were
able
to
get
Windows
here
because
we're
using
a
seven
foot
and
three
foot
trade
easement.
L
So
this
house
is
three
feet
off
the
property
line
which
allows
by
fire
code
for
us
to
get
windows
in
there,
but
they're
up
high
and
won't
won't
you
pinch
on
the
privacy
and
on
the
other
side
you
got
windows
and
into
the
side
yard.
And
then
these
plan
ones
and
plan
one
and
to
the
back
of
the
homes
are
backed
up
ten
feet
from
the
wall
on
the
back.
So
there
isn't
much
articulation
or
anything
on
the
back
of
those
homes,
because
it'll
be
a
dog
run
or
something
behind
that
house.
L
This
is
a
plan.
The
plan
twos
have
a
sloping
element
over
the
garage
here
and
it's
hard
to
see
here
because
the
colors
are
similar,
but
as
a
way
to
kind
of
separate
them,
make
them
different
from
the
plan
ones
and
then
again
the
side
element.
We
did
pop
out
an
element
on
the
side
of
this,
so
that
the
house
on
this
side
that
uses
this
area
up
against
this
house
in
the
trade
easement
area.
It's
not
just
a
flat
blank
stucco,
where
there
is
some
relief
to
help
the
aesthetic
of
that.
L
Now
we're
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
where
the
pools
are
in
the
backyard.
We
mixed
up
this
house,
these
elytis
houses,
so
we're
on
the
plan,
three
UNR
on
this
side
and
you
go.
You
hit
a
element
that
that
extends
out
from
the
side
of
the
house
back
20
feet
or
so,
which
then
directs
you
left
into
the
to
the
entry
of
the
home,
and
so
this
this
plan
has
a
side
entry
element
to
it.
L
If
we
go
to
the
plan
and
there's
the
sides
and
rear
and
then
on
the
plan
for
it's
a
center,
you
know
injury
in
the
center
of
the
house
and
then
again,
that's
misleading
help
massive
that
looks,
but
the
second
story
elements
push
back
and
that's
the
sides
and
rear
floor
plans.
This
would
be
the
final
one
where
you've
got
generous
area
for
the
pool.
This
is
a
metal
cover
which
is
consistent
with
the
architectural
guidelines.
L
L
L
L
The
design
guidelines
and
the
projects
approved
with
metal
windows
and
metal
windows
are
tougher
to
get
they're
not
as
energy-efficient
and
they're
more
expensive
and
the
Maryland
project
with
where
it
is
and
and
how
it's
designed
is
meant
to
be
quite
a
bit
more
affordable
than
if
it
was
a
project
in
downtown
Palm,
Springs
somewhere
and
the
I'd
like
to
consideration
to
use
a
vinyl
window.
That
has
a
aluminum
finish
to
it.
This
is
a
product.
This
is
from
a
couple
of
Toll
Brothers
projects
in
escena
and
they're.
L
This
is
the
this:
is
a
manufactured
vinyl
window
with
aluminum
color
to
it,
and
then
that's
a
metal
window
and
I've
got
this
this
window.
That
I'm
holding
is
that
window
right
there
and
it's
not
wholly
different.
When
you
look
at
a
picture,
then
what
a
metal
window
would
look
like
and
then
also
we've
used
vinyl
windows
in
our
sky
project.
Yeah.
If
you
go
back
to
that,
the
vine
I'm
sorry
vinyl,
sliding
glass
doors
and
vinyl
windows
escape
no,
no,
it's
not.
In
there
it's
I'm.
Sorry,
it
was
yeah.
L
That's
a
vinyl
window
with
a
blue
minim
finish
to
it.
Aluminum
colored
finish
to
it.
That's
from
our
sky
project.
We
used
vinyl
windows
and
vinyl
doors
like
that
when
we
had
eight-foot
headed
out
sliding
glass
doors
when
we
went
to
tens
and
12-foot
doors,
we
use
metal
windows,
but
that's
been
a
successful
window,
I'm
very
accepted.
L
This
is
a
plus
minus
2
million
dollar
project
that
all
projects
have
plus
or
minus
800
mm,
a
million
dollar
product
and
they're
using
vinyl
windows,
and
this
project
here
is
designed
to
sell
five
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
cost
of
the
vinyl
windows
without
creating
or
giving
a
better
product
is
at
cross-purposes
to
that.
So
I've
got
one
more
back
to
that.
L
A
C
Sigh
clam
I
understand
now
from
your
explanation.
While
you
don't
have
any
two-story
units
on
the
one
side
of
the
street,
but
have
you
given
any
further
thought
to
sort
of
mixing
it
up
a
little
bit
more
so
that
you
don't
have
all
the
threes
and
fours
on
one
side
and
all
the
ones
and
twos
on
the
other
I
think
in
terms
of
creating
a
streetscape.
It
might
be
more
interesting.
It
might
be.
L
More
interesting,
but
if
you
had
one
of
those
houses
with
the
back
of
the
house
faced
at
the
east
and
all
those
nice
mountains
or
face
out
to
the
west,
you
put
a
plan
three
or
four
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
you're,
putting
the
pool
in
the
backyard
facing
east
against
the
block
wall
and
no
view
of
anything.
So
that's
the
reason
for
doing
that,
and
so,
when
you
pull
front
yard,
pools
on
one
side
of
street
and
backyard
pools
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
L
That's
what
you
end
up
with
and
that
you
know
when
we
I
keep
I
keep
going
back
to
sky
project,
but
we
have
basically
four
floor
plans
to
plans
on
one
side
of
the
street
with
a
pool
in
the
front
yard
and
two
plans
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
with
pools
in
the
backyards.
So
you
go
up
and
down
that
Street
and
there's
two
plans.
Two
different
plans
on
one
side:
two
different
plans
in
other
it
looks
great,
looks
fine.
C
L
It's
an
element
that
the
architect
and
ourselves
thought
would
be
appropriate
to
intermix
so
that
there
was
a
different
different
elements
down
the
street
versus
the
same
element
over
the
garage.
The
garages
are
dominant,
they're,
40-foot
white
houses.
The
garages
are
20
feet
wide,
so
you
know
to
try
to
do
something
on
a
one-story
home
above
that
garage
to
to
mix
up
the
street
scene.
That
was
the
effort.
How.
I
L
L
I
My
mic:
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
those
perform
in
the
desert
in
the
long
run,
I
was
always
under
the
impression
and
I'm,
probably
the
least
educated
at
this
table
on
the
subject.
So
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
on
how
they
perform
in
the
desert,
because
I
was
in
the
impression
they
don't
do
well
in
the
desert
in
the
law,
boy.
L
G
I,
just
I
had
a
couple
questions
and
referring
back
and
forth
between
the
landscape,
typicals
and
then
the
architectural
design
guidelines
one
question
I
had
was:
it
appears
that
there's
a
ten-foot
utility
easement
adjacent
to
both
curbs
mm-hmm
and
the
guidelines
require
there
to
be.
You
know,
trees
to
be
installed
three
feet
away
from
the
utility
easement
or
from
utilities.
So
does
that
mean
three
feet
from
the
easement
or
I'm,
trying
to
see
how
you
fit
all
that
in
it
was.
D
L
D
A
G
And
then
the
other
question
is,
and
this
might
be
for
where
it
is.
If
you
look
at
that,
the
perspective
views
they're
very
well
done
and
there's
a
lot
of
detail
in
that,
but
on
the
actual,
typical
planting
plans,
there's
not
a
lot
of
details,
so
I
guess
my
concern
is:
is
will
that
do
we
need
to
see
that
level
of
detail
now
or
do
we
want
to
let
staff
handle
that
level
of
detail
and
going
back
to
the
trees?
G
K
Yeah
my
time,
Jay
find
me
I
could
add
one
more
to
those
conditions
that
were
recommended
to
you,
and
that
would
be
that.
Should
this,
should
you
make
a
recommendation
for
approval
to
the
Planning
Commission
today
that
the
landscape,
a
final
landscape
plan
with
more
detailed
information,
will
be
brought
back
to
the
AAC
for
review.
B
H
H
A
A
Okay,
especially
on
the
left
side,
so
mr.
Cunningham,
you
completely
correct
in
the
sense
of
that.
It's
really
the
garage
is
like
the
main
sort
of
feature
right
and
it
repeats
in
the
same
place
every
time
right
and
then
the
second
most
repetitive
feature
is
the
enclosure
of
the
CMU
wall
for
your
front
yard.
A
You
know
all
the
details
are
you're
creating
now
in
that
courtyard
design.
So
in
the
design
guidelines,
when
you
look
at
the
fences,
there
are
variations
on
the
fence
design.
Some
are
more
open,
close
open,
close
or
some
have
sort
of
I
call
it
medallion
blocks.
You
know
that
introduces
a
different
profile,
but
right
now
it
it's
it's
looking
as
if
the
block
wall,
it's
the
most
predominant
sort
of
urban
design
that
you're
creating
in
the
street.
L
Well,
we
can
certainly
mix
up
the
block
wall
design.
We
could
do
block
wall
with
stucco,
then
we
could
do
a
square
stack
precision
and
then
we
could
do
a
more
linear
block.
I
mean
we're
open
to
mixing
that
up.
As
far
as
the
look
a
breeze
breeze
block,
you
know
that
has,
though
we
can't
use
that
with
a
swimming
pool
in
the
front
yard,
because
it's
not
legal
because
he
can
step.
A
L
A
Now,
when
it
comes
to
the
garage
I
understand
the
challenge
of
how
do
you
make
this
garage
more
more
flexible,
right
and
and
I
understand
why
the
sloped
roof,
but
it's
it's
foreign
to
what
I
think
you're
creating
so
the
other
thing
that
is
in
these
design
guidelines
is
something
like
a
flat
roof
with
a
2
foot
overhang,
something
that
changes
the
the
roofline
of
the
garage.
So
it's
not
all
parapet.
Have
you
and
your
team
consider
that,
because
he's
only
20
feet
deep,
you're,
not
putting
any
equipment
on
top
of
that.
D
A
A
A
D
D
A
B
D
A
L
A
A
D
A
D
D
Hi
I'm
Madison
from
Newport
Beach,
but
I
also
have
a
house
in
Racquet
Club
estates,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
Palm
Springs
and
my
house
when
I
purchased
it
it
was
dark
and
I
cannot
wait
to
paint
it
a
light.
Color,
it's
just
oppressive
to
me.
So
I'd
rather
keep
the
dark
as
an
accent,
if
possible,
just
because
of
the
freshness
and
light
and
coolness
that
you
get
from
a
lighter
filled.
Color.
You
know
how
hot
it
gets
out
here.
A
dark
color
is
just
it.
Just
radiates.
D
A
Now,
what's
happening
is
that
you
have
about
20%
of
the
house
with
a
collar
mm-hmm,
so
the
the
whole
massing
is
is
that
you
have
a
background
that
has
this
ins
and
out
and
then
you
have
an
accent.
The
the
accent
should
be
in
such
way
that
either
is
much
more
balanced,
either
half
or
the
whole
or
you
introduce
that
accent
color
in
other
places,
as
well.
Yeah.
D
D
A
D
Doesn't
it
really
it
does
my
backyard
gets
when
you're
close
to
the
wall?
It's
so
hot,
like
I,
cannot
wait
to
use
one
of
these
colors
on
my
Palm
Springs
house,
because
it's
it's
and
to
me
it's
just
so
much
fresher
and
and
the
landscape,
pops
and
the
backdrop
of
the
mountains
is
just
so
much
cleaner
right.
D
D
You
know
we
could,
but
we
just
need,
make
sure
there's
a
place
for
it
to
stop,
because
that
might
end
up.
I'd
have
to
look
at
all
four
sides,
but
we
went
through
these
at
Samir's
office
and
we
put
these
where
we
could
without
doing
it
overkill,
but
I
believe
this
carries
all
the
way
back
so
you'd
end
up
with
it
in
the
backyard.
It
would
end
up
go
having
to
go
all
the
way
around.
D
A
D
D
A
A
A
H
D
D
H
D
A
A
A
L
A
C
It
looks
like
it's
just
kind
of
tacked
on,
and
so
when
you,
when,
you
look
at
the
gut
guide
to
design
guidelines
and
you
look
at
the
write-up
of
what
it's
supposed
to
represent
and
you
look
at
the
architects
that
are
referenced,
Waxler
and
Cody
and
LeGarrette
oh
and
you
look
at
the
examples
that
are
in
the
design
guidelines,
there's
a
purity
of
form-
and
there
is
a
simplicity
of
form
and
I'm,
not
seeing
that
translated
in
these
designs
and
it's
sort
of
what
Maria
is
saying
as
well.
Is
that
there's
it's
their
needs?
C
C
In
both
variations,
a
and
B
in
the
design
guidelines,
they
have
deep
overhangs
that
are
simply
integrated
with
support
elements.
I
don't
really
see
that
translating
here,
whether
it's
the
Cabana
over
the
in
the
front
load
of
pool
areas,
you
know
those
are
detached
from
the
house
as
opposed
to
being
integrated
if
they
were
integrated
and
became
a
strong
canopy
element
with
the
steel
posts.
I
think
it
would
be
a
better.
C
It
would
look
better
and
then
to
carry
that
around
to
an
covered
entry
like
in
plan,
for
you
know
to
do
to
really
sort
of
simplify
it
as
I
look
at
north.
This
is
the
perspective
exterior
elevations
of
the
four
different
unit
plans,
though
the
use
of
the
stone
in
both
plans
for
and
it's
just
kind
of,
an
added
element.
It
doesn't
have
any
sort
of
structural
or
sort
of
architectural
integrity.
C
It
just
looks
like
a
plan
time
and
to
me:
if
you're
gonna
do
the
stone,
you
should
carry
it
all
the
way
like
and
plan
for
on
that
sheet.
If
you're
gonna
carry
use
the
stone
there,
I
would
carry
the
stone
all
the
way
back
to
the
entry
door
so
that
it
looks
like
a
stone
wall
as
opposed
to
just
a
plant
on
I.
C
Personally,
I
think
I
have
trouble
with
the
sloped
parapet.
I
wonder
when
you
come
up
the
street
from
the
the
down
side
of
the
slope.
What
you
see
the
renderings
show
it
only
from
one
side,
one
angle,
so
I
really
think
that
is
an
architectural
element.
That's
foreign
to
the
community
and
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
they
rethink
that
and
also
the
color
palettes
they're
beautiful
together,
but
I
think
they
also
could
be
tweaked
a
little
bit.
The
dark
tones
seem
to
be
really
dark
by
comparison
to
the
main
color
of
the
star.
C
The
colors,
the
the
stucco
I,
would
love
to
see
more
variation
on
the
streetscape
I.
Don't
know
how
you
do
that,
given
the
unit
plans
that
you've
developed
but
I
just
I
think
it's
to
help
40
some
homes
on
one
Street
and
they're,
just
repeated
after
one
after
the
other
I.
Think
it's
a
little
too
monotonous.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
I
Couldn't
have
said
that
any
better
you
you,
the
the
common
theme
I
that
I
was
trying
to
get
to
and
you
and
you
pulled
it
all
apart
into
the
details,
is
the
intersecting
planes,
the
intersecting
planes
that
are
shown
and
the
design
guidelines
are
missing
in
the
execution
and
the
elevations,
the
the
wall,
tack
on
or
add-on,
as
you
called.
It
is
the
perfect
example
of
how
the
stone
stacks
up
a
few
feet
back,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
a
plane.
I
It
looks
like
a
tack
on
so
if
that
wall
were
to
continue
back
to
the
entryway,
it
looks
more
like
a
plane,
so
I
think
that's.
What's
bothering
me
more
than
anything
else,
and
the
other
good
example
that
you
mentioned
was
the
the
overhang
over
the
front
door,
how
it's
not
attached
or
integrated
into
the
house,
if
that
were
an
intersecting
plane
coming
out
above
the
front
door
and
I
realized
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
the
budget
here
as
well.
G
Agree
with
the
previous
comments
about
the
architecture,
but
also
with,
if
there's
a
possibility
for
the
paint
schemes.
Somehow,
when
looking
at
the
side
elevations
you
do
see,
some
of
them
are
flat,
but
some
do
have
some
elements
and
if
especially
where
they
have
the
architectural
elements
along
the
front
elevation.
If
those
could
be
stronger
in
terms
of
paint
coverage
and
then
pretty
much,
the
landscape
comments
stand
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
if
they
labeled
the
unit.
G
Two
typical
units
don't
call
out
whether
it's
a
plan,
a
plan
B
those
could
be
labeled
but
really
to
develop
a
streetscape
scene.
You
know
using
you
know
the
larger
X
entries
where
they
can
and
then
maybe
not
every
house
per
the
guidelines
needs
to
have
a
large
canopy
tree
in
front
I.
Think
you'll
want
to
feel
some
of
that
openness
along
the
street
frontage,
as
these
units
are
built
out.
H
Well,
I,
don't
have
any
arguments
with
anything.
That's
been
said,
I
think
it's
all
appropriate.
The
stone
really
caught
my
eye.
First,
it
just
seemed
like
it
was
such
a
small
piece
and
it
didn't
really
do
anything.
The
other
thing,
that's
kind
of
one
of
my
pet
peeves,
is
when
you
have
a
two
different
parapet
heights
that
they
don't
just
blend
it
into
the
same
wall,
one
of
the
parapet
heights,
the
wall
surface
needs
to
be
in
front
of
or
behind
it
the
other
parapet.
Hey
excuse
me.
A
So
I
think
that
these
are
all
very
good
comments,
but
I
think
we
need
to
go
back
and
get
the
architecture
as
well
as
the
really
the
street
plan
landscape
design,
because
the
landscape
design
in
front
of
the
yard
is
it's
not
something
that
we
can
mimic
and,
as
you
mentioned,
your
rent,
the
renderings
that
they
have
submitted
has
more
of
a
variation
and
more
of
a
street
design
than
what
is
being
proposed
right
now.
I.
A
Think
there's
definitely
really
great
potential
here.
There
really
is,
but
we
hope
I
hope
that
they
can
hear
our
comments
and
see
how
they
can
make
a
little
more
unique
but
at
the
same
time
be
able
to
look
at
the
streetscape
and
then
how
it
becomes
harmonious
for
that
first
block
for
single-family
homes,
so
I
think
we
need
to
see
this
again.
B
This
is
a
rather
extensive
list.
I,
don't
think
that
we
would
be
able
to
just
come
up
with
a
one
two,
three,
four
five,
there's
quite
a
list
of
comments.
What
we
will
do
is
we
will
summarize
our
notes
from
your
discussion
here
today
and
provide
those
to
the
applicant
and
would
also
be
happy
to
sit
down
with
the
applicant
and
to
review
the
comments
with
them.
A
If,
if
I
could
ask
so
that
you
will
save
all
the
best
time,
it
would
be
nice
to
know.
Okay,
this
rendering
is
a
la
Lego,
recta
style,
and
he
has
the
Reese's
windows
and
the
high
volumes.
You
know
this
rendering
is,
you
know,
based
on
this
design,
guideline
style
so
that
we
can
have
a
comparison
of
what
the
origin
of
those
designs
were.
That
would
be
quite
helpful.
I.
G
A
A
D
H
H
B
Madam
chair
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
additional
direction.
I
realize
you've
already
taken
a
vote
on
the
case
and
continuing
it
did
you
have
any
thoughts
on
the
vinyl
windows?
That's
something
that
mr.
Cunningham
spent
a
lot
of
time
discussing
with
you,
but
we
didn't
hear
any
comments
back
from
the
committee,
so
just
maybe
as
an
addendum.
If
you
have
any
thoughts
on
the
use
of
the
vinyl
windows,
that
might
be
helpful
for
the
applicant
to
hear
that
now,
I.
I
I
The
example
that's
presented
here
it
seems
to
achieve
mostly
the
look
of
what
I
think
people
are
usually
going
for
when
they
say
use
aluminum
windows,
the
only
question
I
had
that
I
didn't
get
to
asking
was:
can
they
be
finished
with
the
stucco
up
to
the
edges
in
the
same
way
that
a
aluminum
window
typically
is
in
a
more
in
an
older
project?
I
know
where
I
live.
We
have
aluminum
windows
and
when
we
replace
them,
it's
required.
It's
requested
aluminum
required
aluminum,
but
we
also
can't
use
the
flange
or
trim
around
the
edge.
I
A
Unfortunately,
we
haven't,
we
were
not
as
specific
to
say
what
is
the
stash
the
size
of
the
style
or
the
sash
on
the
aluminum
window,
because
the
finish
you
cannot
tell
that
is
vinyl
aluminum.
So
if
you
finish,
you're
good
I
think
it's
more
on
the
profile
of
the
window.
So
when
it
came
to
aluminum
I
think
we
were
looking
at
a
not
at
a
that's,
probably
about
a
half
an
inch
less
than
half
an
inch
right.
B
D
A
H
A
I
L
I
I
L
L
L
D
A
B
D
I
The
question
that
I
have
is
knowing
that
we're
looking
at
a
six
additional
months
of
this
group.
Together,
we
have
two
directions
we
can
go.
We
can
try
and
transition
some
new
leadership
into
chair
and
vice
chair,
so
that
so
that
they
can
benefit
from
whatever
Maria
and
I
have
to
add
to
the
mix
in
six
more
months
or
we
can
continue
to
go
the
way
we're
going
with
existing
leadership.
Those
to
me
seem
to
be
the
two
options,
so
I
want
to
throw
those
out
there
for
a
discussion
before
we
jump.
A
A
A
B
Throwing
something
else
about
one
of
the
things
that
the
Planning
Commission
has
discussed
informally
is
keeping,
for
example,
the
chair
in
position
for
the
next
six
months
and
then
having
someone
new
serve
as
the
vice
chair
as
kind
of
a
transition
member.
So
that
way
the
vice
chair
potentially
could
become
the
chair
in
January.
Exactly.
I
A
I
I
We
inserted
them
into
my
my
suggestion
is
going
to
be
that
I
will
move
that
we
elect
member
song
for
another
six
months,
but
the
next
motion
that
I
would
like
to
make
will
be
that
we
elect
one
of
the
other
three
members
that
we
have
here
is
the
vice
chair
for
the
next
six
months,
and
then
the
new
committee
in
January
will
be
able
to
rearrange
it
again
to
their
to
their
likings.
So
the
first
motion
would
be
to
elect
member
song
for
the
next
six
months
as
chair.
A
I
A
D
I
D
H
I
A
When,
when
when
playing
this
role,
unfortunately
it's
not
a
I
enjoy
very
much
being
one
of
the
committee
members,
because
then
you
really
get
to
ask
you
know
the
questions
and
what's
applicable,
and
the
role
that
you
play
here
is
almost
sort
of
managing
the
information.
You
know
summarizing
it
and
then
reacts
planing
it
and
then
making
a
conclusion.
A
So
when,
when
you're
in
this
position,
you're
a
bit
more
of
a
managing
rather
than
a
critique
er,
you
know
with
the
findings,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
felt
I
had
to
a
little
bit
give
up.
You
know
in
order
to
play
this
role,
so
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because
I
think
you,
you
are
an
amazing
candidate,
but
also
you
have
been,
you
know,
sort
of
been
able
to
give
all
these
different
comments.
You
know
as
long
that.
D
A
I
What
I'll
add
to
that
is,
as
was
described
to
me,
was
the
chair
position
ends
up
being
somewhat
of
a
traffic
cop,
just
facilitating
the
conversation
and
as
the
vice
chair
and
chair
tend
to
offer
their
comments
last.
A
lot
of
the
things
that
we
were
all
thinking
have
already
been
said
and
I've
joked
about
it.
I
A
few
times
it's
great
going
last
cuz
I,
don't
have
anything
left,
I
have
to
say
you
all
said
it
for
me
already,
so
you
do
come
around
to
if
somebody
didn't
get
to
your
items
that
you
were
going
to
talk
about.
Now
is
your
opportunity,
so
another
reason
why
you
probably
have
less,
because
you
want
to
make
sure
you
give
everybody
else
to
be
for
him
in
the
opportunity.
I
B
B
A
B
See
no
I
didn't
get
the
same
scheduled
date.
Oh
yes,
it
did.
You
are
dark
in
August
we
won't
be
having
any
meetings
during
the
month
of
August,
and
so
we
updated
the
schedule
to
reflect
that.
Also,
there
have
been
some
minor
changes
to
the
City
Council
schedule,
and
so
those
dates
have
changed
as
well.
So
we
provided
all
of
our
board
and
commission
members
a
new,
updated
schedule
to
reflect
those
changes
and.
H
B
I
I
A
B
A
A
A
B
I
I
B
D
B
B
B
B
B
The
city
clerk
is
doing
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
as
the
request
comes
in
from
the
individual
committee
members.
The
issue
at
hand
is
if
there
was
ever
a
public
records
request.
Potentially
it
could
reach
back
to
your
personal
email
and,
if
you'd
like
to
have
some
type
of
separation
so
that
only
City
business
comes
to
your
city
account
it's
a
fine
thing
to
do
so
again.
If
you
just
want
to
work
with
the
city
clerk,
they
can
set
that
up
for
you
and
mr.