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You
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
is
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
It
was
emailed
and
posted
last
Thursday,
June
13th,
which
is
per
city
policy.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
the
agenda
so
moved?
Thank
you,
Greg.
A
second
Thank
You
grant
any
discussion
all
in
favor
of
accepting
the
agenda
say
aye
aye
opposed,
say
no
unanimous.
Thank
you.
Now
we
move
on
to
city
manager
and
staff
comments.
E
All
right,
thank
you,
so
just
a
few
things
to
report
out
on,
unfortunately,
don't
have
any
updates
on
the
product
development
process
or
the
branding
discussion,
although
you
should
have
all
received
an
email
from
me
about
email
addresses
for
the
city
from
the
city.
So
if
you
would
like
to
move
over
to
a
city
based
email
address
for
your
Commission
work,
you
are
now
able
to
do
that.
So
all
you
have
to
do
is
log
in
click
on
the
Microsoft
Office
365
link.
E
That's
at
the
bottom
of
that
email
log
in
each
of
your
email
addresses
should
have
an
ABM
at
the
very
end
of
the
year
name,
and
a
couple
of
them
went
to
out
without
that.
But
I
think
we
corrected
those
ones
that
were
errors,
so
I
think
it
should
be
all
set.
If
you
have
any
technical
difficulties,
I
think
David
had
some
challenges
getting
it
hooked
up
with
his
phone,
but
if
you
have
any
other
technical
challenges
with
it,
let
me
know,
and
we'll
request,
IT
2
to
support
us
on
that.
E
The
only
other
thing
I
will
mention
about
that
is
that
we
should
probably
decide,
or
you
should
tell
us
what
email
address
you
would
like
for
us
to
use
for
communication
so
that,
if
you
want
to
switch
over
to
that
address
for
all
of
your
Commission
related
communication,
we'll
update
our
records
for
that
and
just
use
that
email
address.
So
so
you
should
let
us
know
after
this
meeting
which
you
would
like
to
use
Jennifer,
you
look
confused,
no
okay,
any
question.
E
Okay,
all
right
cool,
all
right,
so
those
all
went
out
just
a
brief
update
on
the
recent
council
meeting
agendas
right
after
our
last
meeting,
the
timing
of
the
trashcans
draft
ordinance
went
through
for
the
first
reading.
I
think
I
actually
have
to
do
something
to
make
it
get
to
the
second
reading.
So
I'm
gonna
check
on
that
to
see,
if
there's
anything
else,
I
need
to
do
to
make
that
go
forward.
E
There
was
also
the
open
space
resolution
that
was
included
in
the
consent
agenda
items
so
that
that
resolution
went
from
the
Commission
and
got
on
to
the
council's
agenda
for
with
route
to
the
their
consent
agenda,
and
so
that
passed
without
any
discussion
on
June
5th.
The
trashcans
for
downtown
discussion
was
delayed,
and
so
we
took
that
back
to
the
subcommittee
and
I'll
talk
more
about
when
we
get
to
that
topic.
The
DCE
discussion
happened
on
june
5th
and
the
council
approved
unanimously
to
move
forward
with
the
desert
community
energy.
E
Green
power
option
of
100%
green
power
for
the
city
ratepayers,
there
was
a
request
to
add
a
Salton
Sea
agenda
item,
a
resolution
to
the
Future
Council
meeting,
and
that
actually
appears
on
the
next
council
agenda.
So
for
tomorrow
night,
there
is
a
resolution
on
the
consent
agenda
for
the
Salton,
Sea
kind
of
long-term
solutions,
bringing
additional
water
in
to
the
to
the
sea,
the
and
then.
Finally,
on
June
5th,
the
wind
energy
and
zoning
ordinance
and
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
David
that
passed
right,
they
they
took
the
vote
and
pass
it.
E
The
other
two
items
on
for
tomorrow
night,
which
you'll
want
to
tune
in
for
are
the
plastics
ban,
the
discussion,
so
that
was
the
resolution
that
this
commission
passed
to
suggest
that
the
city
develop
an
ordinance
limiting
single-use
plastics
in
food
where
foodservice,
so
that
will
be
on
the
agenda.
There's
been
some
interest
by
the
local
media
about
that
topic.
I
did
talk
to
them
briefly
today
about
that
so
I
imagine
there
will
be
a
pretty
good
turnout
tomorrow
for
that
discussion.
Also
scooters
round.
E
2
is
on
the
agenda
for
tomorrow,
mostly
just
briefing
them
on
the
RFI
results,
which
I
will
talk
about
a
little
bit
more
later.
Only
other
thing
on
my
agenda
was
to
mention
the
my
Palm
Springs
app.
If
you
have
not
downloaded
that
yet,
please
do
so.
I
think
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
glitch
on
the
Android
side
for
a
day
or
two,
so
that
is
now
up
and
running,
and
so
that
is
available
for
download
through
either
Google
or
through
Apple.
E
That
is
a
new
system,
new
application,
that
the
city
is
moving
to
to
capture
issues
with
this
that
that
people
may
have
may
may
identify
maintenance
requests
things
like
that.
So
so
you
can
identify
issues
to
report.
There's
leaf.
Blowers
is
one
of
those
issues
that
people
can
easily
select
when
they
go
into
that
that
that
select,
that
choice
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
have
has
just
started
to
think
about
I
had
a
conversation
with
Commissioner
Miller
about
this.
E
Is
that
eventually
I
think
we
may
be
looking
to
do
more
with
that
app
in
terms
of
recycling
communication
about
sustainability
issues,
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
I
think
it'll
be
a
good
tool
for
us
to
use
down
the
road
for
for
lots
of
the
issues
and
the
ideas
that
we
have
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
as
a
commission.
So
so
that's
it
for
staff
comments,
Thank.
C
B
Okay,
well
moving
on
then
to
public
comments.
This
this
time
is
for
the
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject.
Subject
matter
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission
the
Commission
values
your
comments,
but
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act
cannot
take
items
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
are
assigned
for
each
speaker.
Is
there
any
public
comment.
B
B
Grant
grant
is
served
on
the
Commission
for
six
and
a
half
years,
I
think
for
about
two
years,
as
vice
vice
chairman
he's,
always
had
a
passion
for
pedestrian
safety
and
has
worked
hard
at
making
streets
more
walkable
and
his
professional
background
LSA
associates
has
been
invaluable
to
the
to
the
Commission.
So
we
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service
grant
and
now
Patrick
has
a
certificate
to
present
to
you
on.
E
B
B
G
Evening,
sorry,
to
see
you
go
and
yeah
I
have
enjoyed
working
with
you
just
wondering
what
are
you
gonna
do
with
all
your
spare
time.
We've
come
up
with
a
new
report,
format
and
we'd
like
to
share
it
with
you.
So
we
have
some
slides
here
and
as
we
go
through
the
slides
out,
I'll
walk
through
my
responses
as
well.
G
Okay,
we're
ready,
okay.
The
first
thing
that
I
do
is
for
the
city
is
I,
respond
to
residents,
complaints
in
Esquire
I'm,
just
giving
you
a
broad
overview
here
and
I
worked
with
the
franchise
waste,
hauler
Palm
Springs
disposal,
I
have
interactions
and
Lee
liaisons
with
other
governmental
agencies.
For
example,
I
spoke
with
Andrew
Smith,
who
is
our
state
representative
recently,
and
I
specifically
asked
about
any
progress
for
SB
1380
3.
That's
the
overarching
legislation
that
we're
expecting
the
guidelines
later
on
this
year.
G
He
told
us
that
he
could
shut
down
the
Palm
Springs
recycling
site
and
it
wouldn't
hurt
him
at
all
he's
doing
it
because
he
feels
that
he's
providing
a
service
for
the
residents
in
that
area
needed
service
and
I
tend
to
agree,
but
what
I
took
away
from
that
is
just
what
the
people
on
the
ground
deal
with
as
it's
mandated
from
the
state
and
a
lot
of
times.
In
my
opinion,
the
state
doesn't
go
out
and
ask
the
questions
of
the
people
who
are
actually
doing
the
work,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
G
The
next
thing
that
I
do
is
special
events.
We
didn't
have
any
this
past
month,
but
especially
this
would
be
your
shredding
events,
the
PSA,
the
health
run,
1ps,
the
picnic
Family
Fun
Fest,
you
can
read
those
the
third
one
is
the
preparation
of
the
annual
report
and
that's
opened
yesterday.
So
we'll
begin
inputting
the
information.
Now
this
is
the
one
that
is
where
the
city
reports
all
the
programs
that
it
has
underway
all
the
totals
for
the
waste
that
has
and
recycling
that
has
been
produced
in
the
city.
How
many
recycling
centers
we
have.
G
G
Is
tracking
legislation
and
there
was
no
other
legislation
on
the
horizon
other
than
what
I
reported
for
number
one.
The
fifth
one
is
attending
meetings
with
city
staff
and
sustainability.
Commission
members
I
personally
attended
several
of
those
mostly
do
with
the
downtown
recycling
and
the
containers,
and
things
like
that.
So
perform
other
duties
as
requested
by
the
city.
What
we've
been
doing
most
recently,
a
surveying,
the
containers
in
the
Duluth
park,
sunrise,
Ruth,
Hardy
and
then
some
downtown,
so
that
would
satisfy
number
six.
Did
we
come
up
with
the
numbers
Daniel
for
monthly.
A
G
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
one,
and
the
last
thing
that
I
have
is
what
I'm
doing
in
regards
to
enforcing
legislation
and
I
was
given
provided
a
list
of
53
non-compliant
commercial
producers
downtown
and
I
visited
12.
Some
have
been
polite,
some
of
not
been
so
polite
and
I
give
them
a
copy
of
the
letter,
citing
the
mandatory
compliance
ordinance.
Our
law
and
I
also
give
them
contact
information
for
Palm
Springs
disposal.
G
What
I
do
is
I
take
down
the
information
of
what
transpired
during
my
meeting
and
I
forward,
that
back
to
Chris
Cunningham
at
Palm
Springs
disposal,
and
it
serves
a
couple
of
purposes.
It
fills
out
his
spreadsheet
and
also
if
the
state
comes
back
and
wants
to
know
what
specific
efforts
we
have
taken.
Well,
here's
what
we
did.
We
visited
these
businesses
personally
handed
them.
This
information
and
I
spoke
with
them
on
this
date
and
here
was
their
response.
So
did
you
have
them?
What.
G
A
just
some
were
polite
and
some
acted
as
if
they
weren't
aware
of
it,
and
then
others
just
didn't
seem
to
care
they.
You
know
really
wasn't
any
great
thing
to
them.
One
thing
that
I
should
mention
last
night
and
it's
not
on
the
report
is
Rob
and
I
went
out
and
we
surveyed
some
of
the
the
downtown
trash
and
recycling
enclosures
and
we
went
behind
one
specific
row
of
buildings
and
we
saw
three
cardboard
containers
absolutely
overflowing
with
cardboard
and
I
didn't
think
about
it
until
this
morning.
G
A
G
G
A
The
just
to
quickly
follow
up
on
an
earlier
point.
She
made
that
sort
of
related
to
that
I
visited
Palm,
Springs
recycling
myself
last
week
and
spent
a
little
bit
of
time
observing
what
was
going
on
there,
and
one
thing
was
that
the
one
person
had
come
in
with
an
enormous
amount
of
recyclable
material.
Aluminum
cans,
bottles
and
I
came
home
for
the
third
category,
but
he
was
spending
his
time
in
there
actually
himself
self
separating
these
into
the
three
different
streams.
So
I
did
get
to
ask
him
at
the
end
of
this.
A
C
E
We
will
be
reporting
out
to
guys
on
some
numbers
in
the
future,
so
this
is
an
example
of
some
of
the
information
that
we
get,
for
example,
from
Palm
Springs
disposal.
They
collect
numbers
monthly
in
terms
of
their
recycling
volumes
and
they
break
it
down
into
mixed
residential
mixed
commercial,
green
waste,
see
construction,
demolition,
debris,
other
kinds
of
things,
so
we're
gonna
try
to
start
to
track
these
things
on
a
more
regular
basis,
based
on
some
of
the
information
that
they
have,
as
well
as
the
information
that
we
collect
from
tons.
E
It's
all
in
tons,
yeah
si
recycling
is
facility,
that's
nearby
that
collects
green
waste
and
construction
materials,
so
concrete
and
metal,
and
then
the
other
one
is
desert
recycling
that
also
collects
construction
material.
Primarily,
so
we
get
reports
from
them
monthly
and
then
back
to
the
conversation
about
Palm
Springs
recycling.
They
used
to
give
us
reports,
and
so
they're
gonna
start
sending
us
monthly
reports
again.
So
we
will
have
that
stream
accounted
for
as
well.
E
So
I
think
this
whole
process
that
we've
been
going
through
in
terms
of
investigating
where
our
waste
is
going
and
how
it's
being
collected
is,
is
bearing
fruit
in
terms
of
getting
a
better
picture
and
better
handle
on
the
quantities
that
are
out
there.
There's
another
organization
called
reap
planet
that
operates
a
facility
behind
Smoketree
that
we're
also
talking
to
about
getting
some
information
about
their
their
amounts
as
well.
E
So
hopefully,
we'll
have
a
more
robust
picture
and
we'll
be
able
to
indicate
some
trend
lines
as
we
go
forward
here
for
the
different
streams
and
for
our
diversion
rates,
which
we'll
add
in
in
the
future
as
well.
So
so
that's
a
plan.
Well,
we
won't
don't
want
to
inundate
you
with
numbers,
but
we've
got
a
lot
of
them.
We
could
share,
but
we'll
try
to
identify
some
trends
and
paths.
Yeah
John.
G
H
Much
simpler
than
the
organics
food
waste
for
them.
Yes,
right:
okay,
that
that
helps
put
things
in
perspective.
My
other
question
is
so
there
are
all
these
other
recycling
agencies
si
desert
recycling,
and
then
you
mentioned
a
third
replant.
It
I
primarily
work
with
PSD
s.
Do
dual
EA's
with
these
folks
in
sort
of
a
more
organized
way,
or
what
does
that
look
like
at
this
point?
Well,.
G
Yes,
I
do
and
I
know
the
owners
of
both
of
those
facilities.
I've
known
him
for
years,
and
it's
not
a
formal
relationship
by
any
means.
I
wouldn't
say
that,
because
you
know
sometimes
I
just
drop
buyer
I
fit
I
feel
comfortable,
calling
it
I,
don't
know.
If
I'm
answering
your
question,
no
yeah,
you
are
delicately.
H
Dam,
the
reason
why
I
was
asking
is
because
PSD
s
is
the
municipal
hauler,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
contracts
with
desert
recycling
or
sa
recycling.
That
would
you
know
where
there
would
be
sort
of
a
contractual
relationship
that
exists.
Similarly,
okay,
no
there's
no
conflict
there,
and
so
replant
it
PSD
s
doesn't
pick
up
their
material
at
all.
Okay,.
G
No
they're
privately
owned
they're
that
they're
the
kiosk
types
that
are
behind
there's
one
behind
Costco
in
Palm,
Desert,
there's
several
throughout
the
valley,
but
they're
the
smaller
you
should
you
show
up
you,
don't
pout,
you're,
three
or
four
bags
and
bottles
or
cans
or
whatever
they
weigh
in
when
they
pay
you
and
you
go
on
your
way.
It's
not
a
large
commercial
enterprise
as
a
larger
one,
I
should
say,
as
is
Palm
Springs,
recycling
or
others.
So.
H
Then
I
guess
we
should
thank
you
for
going
above
and
beyond,
then,
probably
because
it
will
necessarily
be
sort
of
directly
contractually
mandated
necessarily
but
or
I
guess
what
is
driving
it
is.
It
is
it
that
the
state
is
mandating
that
we
meet
these
goals
and
so
now
you're
reaching
out
to
more
than
just
our
Municipal
Hall.
Well,
this.
G
Is
at
the
is
being
driven
larger,
largely
by
Patrick
and
okay.
The
way
I
see
it
is
we're
trying
to
tie
up
the
loose
ends.
There's
a
lot
of
material
that
goes
through
Palm
Springs
recycling
I
was
okay
at
the
amount
of
glass
bottles,
though
it
was
there,
that's
a
lot
of
weight,
that's
a
lot
of
volume
and
that's
what
predicates
these
reports.
So,
if
we
can
capture
that,
that
just
makes
us
look
better
if
we
can
capture
our
our
our
a
planet
or
whatever
the
name
of
it
is
that
makes
us
look
better.
H
Okay,
so
that's
held
and
then
I
had
one
more
question
and
so
there's
been
a
shift
recently
from
talking
about
recycling
to
reduction
in
general
and
I.
Don't
know
if
the
state
has
brought
that
up
or
if
any
of
the
haulers
have
talked
about
education
in
those
spaces
or
if
there's
been
a
in
any
other
venue
that
you've
been
in
those
discussions.
I'm
wondering
if
that's
sort
of
popped
up
on
the
reaction
and
what
respect
simply
deciding
to
buy
things
that
use
less
packaging
instead
of
being
focused
on
recycling,
be
focused
on
reducing
our
actual.
H
D
Right
I
had
a
question:
I
just
wondered
if
this
may
be
in
some
of
the
data
here
but
I
wonder
if
you've
been
seeing
trends
and
the
level
of
contamination
in
commercial
recycling,
I
mean
I'm
thinking
and
a
lot
of
times
for
commercial
facilities.
They
bag
the
recyclables
to
dispose
of
the
bags
that
are
actually
trashed.
Not
just
wondered
if
you
have
any
observations
or
comment
well,.
G
I'll
tell
you
that
I
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
visiting
businesses
on
just
those
kinds
of
issues,
because
they
have
such
a
transient
employee
situation.
In
many
cases
you
get
new
people
in
they're,
not
privy
or
maybe
they
don't
feel
like
breaking
down
the
boxes
for
whatever
reason,
but
you
need
to
go
and
remind
them.
Hey
I
was
just
behind
your
building.
Both
your
bins
are
full.
Do
you
know
that
oh
yeah,
so
then
I
might
even
call
Christmas
or
Ameren
another
person
that
works
at
Palm
Springs
disposal.
G
G
This
is
all
information
that
I'll
be
able
to
include
a
next
year's
annual
report
because
you
do
it
for
the
prior
calendar
year,
so
I'm
working
on
2018.
So
all
these
programs,
the
battery
recycling
and
downtown
and
things
will
be
things
that
we'll
be
able
to
include
in
our
annual
report,
and
the
state
looks
very
favorably
upon
that
on
things
like
that.
Thanks.
E
All
right,
so
the
leaf
blower
I
feel
like
it's
really
important
that
we
have
props.
Okay
to
date,
we've
received
about
60
about
60
complaints.
Since
we
started
the
enforcement
process,
there
were
about
10
citations
issued
and
about
15
or
so
false
alarms.
Although
I
feel
like
that,
numbers
may
be
an
under-representation,
so
people
are
calling
and
they're
going
out
there
only
to
find
out
that
the
person
has
in
fact
a
and
electric
Leaf
Blower.
So
some
people
are
doing
it
based
on
sound.
E
They
think
that
the
sound
should
have
disappeared,
which
is
not
the
case,
and
so
we're
gonna
try
to
post
something
to
next
door,
at
least
to
show
the
difference
between
a
gas
powered
and
electric
powered
leaf
blower,
so
that
they
can
visually
recognize
the
difference
and
also
just
let
reinforce
the
idea
that
they
are
not
silent.
So
so
that's
what
we've
been
finding
so
far,
I
think
there
have
been
a
couple
of
cases
where
people
are
getting
a
little
bit
creative.
E
E
The
important
thing,
though,
is
that
we
have
been
receiving
actually
a
lot
of
positive
feedback,
as
well,
so
from
residents
noticing
a
difference
as
well
as
landscapers
that
are
just
that
liked
it
better
so
anyway,
so
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
good
feedback
too,
and
now
that
we're
into
the
heat
you
know
we
expected
a
lot
more
negative
feedback
from
from
the
landscapers,
but
we're
not
quite
getting
that
yet
so
we'll
see
how
that
goes
plays
out
during
the
summer,
but
again
so
far,
so
good
in
terms
of
people's
compliance
rates.
I
think
so
so.
E
Well,
keep
you
informed
about
how
that's
going
any
questions
about
leaf
blowers.
All
right.
The
house
of
battery
recycling
program
is
the
next
one.
As
you
can
see,
everybody
received
at
the
table
a
little
container
for
their
batteries
to
collect
at
home.
You
put
your
batteries
in
there
and
then
bring
them
into
the
collection
station
and
empty
them
out
in
there
and
then
keep
the
box
and
use
it
for
later.
So
we
have,
all
of
the
stations
are
now
equipped
with
collection,
containers,
collection,
tubes.
There
are
seven
locations
around
the
city.
E
Three
of
them
already
have
been
filled
up
once
because
people
had
stuff
that
they
were
storing
and
we're
just
waiting
to
have
somebody
somewhere
that
put
it
so
so
anyways
we
have
got
three
facilities
that
are
pretty
much
full
and
we
collected
one
of
them
so
far,
I
think
so.
We've
got
two
more
than
we
need
to
pick
up
so
anyway.
E
So
that's,
it
seems
to
be
going
really
really
well
had
a
couple
of
people
call
and
give
us
some
good
feedback
on
it,
and
so
we
are
continuing
to
hand
those
collection
boxes
out
at
various
locations.
We
were
at
1ps
last
week
and
handed
a
bunch
out
we've
stationed
we've
given
about
50
or
so
to
each
of
the
collection
locations
to
hand
out
to
people
as
they
come
in
so
anyway.
E
So
we
have
I,
think
handed
out
close
to
800
I
would
say,
because
we've
still
got
I,
we've
still
got
a
couple
boxes
left
which
are
about
200
I,
think
so
so
quite
a
fit.
Quite
a
few
were
out
there
in
the
universe.
So
if
anybody
needs
more
for
their
neighborhood,
just
let
us
know
and
like
Roy
said,
they're
gonna
send
us
a
report
based
on
how
much
we
send
them.
So
we'll
have
a
very
good
record
of
how
much
were
we're
capturing.
E
Alright,
any
questions
about
batteries
all
right,
downtown
trash
recycling,
receptacle
analysis.
So,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
the
last
council
meeting
they
deferred
the
discussion
on
the
downtown
trash
receptacles
so
that
the
sustainability
Commission
to
work
a
little
bit
more
on
an
analysis
of
those
downtown
trash
cans.
So
as
part
of
that,
we
convened
a
group,
a
group
of
the
subcommittee
and
joy
from
crystal
fantasy,
who
also
runs
Main
Street
Main
Street.
What
does
it
make
streets
workshops.
E
She
is
also
we're
coordinating
with
her
to
go
and
meet
with
one
of
the
entrepreneurial
recyclers
who
walks
the
streets
and
collects
up
recycling
materials
from
the
trash
cans
on
Thursday.
So
we
might
get
a
little
more
insight
from
him
about
what
he
does
and
when
he
does
it,
and
then
we
also
met
with
Heather
McPherson,
who
runs
the
downtown
maintenance
crew,
and
so
she
met
with
us
to
talk
to
us
about
her
her
challenges
and
her
preferences
in
terms
of
containers
and
locations
and
all
that
good
stuff.
E
E
A
Just
had
one
comment,
so
one
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
directly
here
is
all
of
the
existing
downtown
trash
containers.
Most
of
them
are
concrete.
Brown
most
have
been
there
for
years,
so
they're
very
durable,
and
do
we
replace
them
with
new,
better
containers
quote
unquote
or
or
do
we
use
them
and
and
refurbish
them
and
put
signage
on
them
and
repaint
them,
and
do
all
that
sort
of
good
thing?
A
E
A
I'll
just
I,
mind
I,
don't
want
to
belabor
this,
but
these
surveys
that
we
have
been
doing
should
help
with
this,
because
they've
been
telling
us
what
kind
of
information
going
into
the
different
containers
along
the
downtown
street
and
and
how
full
they
are,
and
that
should
help
us
with
making
determinations
like
if
we
want
to
pair
up
a
couple
of
ground
containers
and
make
one
of
them
or
recycle.
Where
should
we
do
that?
So
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
we're
up
to
right.
E
So
more
to
follow
on
that
we
will
probably
bring
backs,
bring
something
back
to
the
Commission
next
month,
because
the
council
wouldn't
very
much
like
for
our
formal
feedback
to
them.
We
won't
have
time
to
we'll
have
to
prepare
the
staff
report
before
our
meeting
and
so
we'll
report
out
on
what
the
results
were
at
the
council
meeting
so
yeah.
E
A
If
we
can
prevail
upon
all
of
you,
if
we
can
get
something
to
you,
it
won't
be
until
very
close
to
our
meeting
next
month.
But
but
if
you
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
we
can
get
some
consensus
from
you,
we
need
to
get
that
information
to
City
Council
next
month.
Junior
essentially
has
given
us
a
reprieve
of
one
month
to
do
this
work,
but
it's,
it
seems
like
he's
very
impatient
to
actually
spend
some
money
and
get
some
containers
down
there
and.
B
We
can
consider
some
options
about
how
it's
handled
by
the
full
commissioned
as
well,
when
we
chose
the
containers
for
the
parks
about
a
year
ago.
Most
of
you,
you
are
all
here.
Jim
may
recall
that
Joe
requested
of
the
of
the
Commission
to
allow
the
subcommittee
to
make
a
decision
about
the
container
the
containers
that
would
be
chosen
for
the
for
the
park.
So
we
didn't,
we
didn't
bring
it
back
to
the
full
commission
for
a
vote.
We
chose
them
ourselves,
but
we
had
made
several
presentations
prior
to
that
showing
the
various
options.
B
So
that's
one
thing
we
might
think
about,
or
we
may
think
about
doing,
just
a
consensus
accept
acceptance
of
what
what
is
what
is
recommended.
You
know
acknowledging
that
you
will
have
seen
the
the
selected
or
the
recommended
container
before
that,
but
that
this
Patrick
said
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
on
a
short
fuse
for
getting
the
recommendation
to
the
to
the
City
Council,
and
a
lot
of
work
is
being
done
in
the
month
of
reprieve
that
we
got
from
jr..
B
E
B
F
Okay,
lots
of
things
fresh
off
the
press
are
at
least
my
cell
phone
is
confirmation
that
the
solar
zoning
ordinance
will
be
on
the
Planning
Commission
agenda
for
next
Wednesday.
That's
the
ordinance
draft
ordinance
just
to
make
our
solar
zoning
more
friendly
for
getting
solar
up
on
the
roofs
as
required
by
state
legislation
that
goes
into
effect
on
January
1
of
the
coming
year.
F
So
I
will
coordinate,
as
the
staff
report
is
posted
Thursday
evening
for
next
Wednesday's
Planning
Commission,
meeting
I'll
coordinate
comment
and
relate
the
Planning
Commission
that
our
Commission
had
supported
the
ordinance
and
hopefully
with
Council
now
meeting
on
the
10th
and
24th
of
July
there's
at
least
some
small
hope
that
we
can
get
this
through
to
Council
on
first
reading
on
the
10th
and
second
on
the
24th,
but
that's
up
to
Council
after
it
goes
through
the
the
Planning
Commission.
Hopefully
it
won't,
it
may
come
back
to
us,
but
hopefully
that'll
be
in.
F
As
Patrick
mentioned,
a
council
did
vote
at
its
last
meeting
in
favor
of
launching
DCE
most
likely
next
fall
because
of
billing
issues
for
SCE
and
with
the
100%
carbon
free
option.
Being
the
preferred
product
for
Palm
Springs
they'll
need
to
be
a
requested
by
council,
a
robust
outreach
but
activity
by
DC
either.
Hopefully
our
commission
will
also
be
involved
in
and
as
part
of
that
DC.
F
It
is
board
meeting
yesterday
created
the
new
community
advisory
committee
with
five
residents
from
each
of
the
three
cities
of
Palm
Springs,
Palm,
Desert
and
desert
the
me
and
the
evil.
City
and
Commissioner
Miller
Commissioner,
Baker
and
I
were
three
of
the
five
people
named
spring,
so
we'll
be
involved.
A
lot
in
that
next
is
I
previously
mentioned
where
we
are
starting
to
work
on
that.
F
The
energy
code
training
session,
probably
the
week
of
October,
21st
and
I'll,
be
following
up
on
the
summer
to
coordinate
the
speakers
in
the
program
would
hopefully
get
somebody
from
the
Energy
Commission
to
come
down
at
our
community
meeting.
Two
weeks
ago
we
had
a
productive
discussion
with
Jocelyn
Kane
of
Coachella
Valley
cannabis,
Alliance
Network,
on
sustainability,
Commission's
for
the
cannabis
industry,
and
the
long
term
objective
is
to
develop
a
sustainability
package
for
the
cannabis
industry
supply
chain,
and
that
would
cover
both
energy
and
water
consumption,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
waste
reduction.
F
So
that's
a
long
term
project
probably
put
that
on
our
objectives
for
F
wife
1920,
to
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
some
something
and
obviously
the
two
committees
of
you
know.
Energy
and
n
waste
reduction
can
work
together
with
that.
We
are
also
starting
to
look
on
potential
energy
or
a
pilot
program.
We'll
do
some
research
on
that,
because
there's
a
couple
of
model
ordinances
where
people
get
energy
audits.
That
may
also
be
something
that
will
coordinate
with
DCE
because
maybe
there'll
be
some
funding
there.
F
So
I'll
have
to
see
what
it
isn't.
I
know,
commissioner
Flanagan
you'll
have
some
research
and
I'll
do
some
additional
research
on
that
and
then
finally,
we've
got
the
electric
vehicle
charging
program
with
Commissioner,
Flanagan
and
Patrick
you're
working
on
so
and
whether
you
want
to
provide
an
update
on
where
you
are
on
that.
So.
E
We've
had
a
few
conversations
with
our
engineering
department
to
identify
some
key
locations
in
the
city
and
identify
potential
power
sources
for
those
locations.
We
did
learn
about
at
our
last
meeting
from
the
or
a
meeting
with
Southern,
California,
Edison
and
Stacy
Schaeffer
and
engineering
that
there
is
an
SCE
program
to
essentially
supply
power
to
10
or
more
charging
stations.
So
if
we
have
a
place
that
we
want
to
put
or
more
charging
stations,
there
is
an
opportunity.
E
That's
SCE
will
run
the
power
to
those
charging
stations,
so
we're
gonna
plan
to
take
advantage
of
that
opportunity
for
the
downtown
garage,
which
is
where
we'll
probably
put
the
bulk
of
the
Chargers.
And
so
if
we
could
do
that,
we
can
actually
save
a
lot
of
money,
and
so
we
might
be
able
to
buy
more
Chargers.
I
did
get
a
request
this
week
from
a
visitor
to
Palm
Springs
to
provide
more
level
3
Chargers,
so
the
fast
charger.
So
maybe
we
can
look
at
adding
one
or
two
of
those
as
well,
so
so
anyway.
E
B
E
So
the
MIDI
Mets
last
month
and
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on.
Just
a
note
about
the
plastic,
food
wear
and
plastics
straw
band
proposal.
Again,
it's
gonna
be
on
the
June
19th
City
Council
meeting.
We
are
expecting
a
lot
of
people
to
comment
on
that.
So
hopefully
we'll
get
some
good
feedback
to
start
informing
that
effort.
We've
already
talked
about
that
every
site:
recycling
and
then
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
public
spaces
effort.
E
We've
kind
of
taken
a
little
bit
of
a
sidestep
to
address
the
downtown
trashcan
issue,
so
we're
working
on
the
downtown
spaces
right
now
we
did
order
about
35,
more
recycling
containers
for
the
parks.
So
what
we'll
do
next
with
that
is
to
start
thinking
about
where,
where
those
containers
go
and
how
we
can
start
repurposing,
some
of
those
other
containers
that
we've
got
down
to
in
the
parks
and
Rob
did
us
anything
about
Lin
Yatta,
your
interactions
with
any
updates
on
that.
Alright.
A
Just
that
the
desert
Learning
Academy
is
a
nice
controlled
environment
for
for
doing
a
more
scientific
study
of
waste
behavior.
It's
a
300
student
campus,
but
it's
a
virtual
campus.
So
there's
less
than
that
that
are
there
everyday
there's
eight
trash
containers.
There
are
no
recycle
containers,
so
they're
very
interested
in
putting
some
in
and
we're
very
interested
in
doing
a
systematic
study
of
how
that
impacts.
A
The
contamination
levels
in
both
the
trash
container
and
the
recycles
when
we
get
them
and
I
think
the
one
thing
that
excites
me
more
than
we're
getting
data
like
this
from
the
parks,
because
we
do
have
some,
for
example,
trash
and
recycle
containers
that
are
paired
and
some
that
aren't
and
so
I'm
going
to
describe
a
little
bit
about
that
data
in
a
second.
But
it's
open-ended
I
mean
it's
not
a
real
scientific
study,
whereas
here
we
could
do
that,
we
can.
A
A
Get
data
on
that
to
see
if
that
reduces
contamination
even
further,
and
then
do
a
follow-up
a
few
months
later
to
see,
if
you
know
the
recency
effect
occurs,
and
people's
behavior
kind
of
goes
back
to
to
a
worse
level
over
time.
So
we
could
do
all
that
if
this
institution
would
allow
us
to
do
it
I'm
getting
a
little
bit
concerned
because,
as
it
says
here,
we
have
forwarded
our
proposal
to
the
principal
and
there's
some
money
involved.
A
A
E
E
Those
containers
weren't
very
visible
and
then
the
biggest
suggestion
they
had
or
the
most
frequent
or
the
most
important
place
that
they
find
information
is
online,
and
so
that
tells
us
that
we
need
to
do
more,
have
more
of
an
online
presence
with
this
information.
As
well
as
we
go
forward,
so
so
it's
some
some
good
feedback
that
we're
getting
from
that.
That
survey.
E
A
E
E
A
So
I
just
did
a
quick
analysis
of
the
levels
of
contamination
in
the
recycling
trash
containers
in
those
paired
conditions
and
I
compared
them
to
a
situation
where
the
recycle
containers
are
not
paired,
and
you
know
that
I
was
able
to
just
select
10
or
12
kind
of
random
to
compare
the
the
preliminary
data
look
look
interesting.
The
the
contamination
rate
was
67%
if
our
the
trash
containers
that
are
not
paired
with
the
recycled
container
and
it
dropped
to
40%
for
the
ones
that
were
paired,
40%
is
still
not
very
good.
A
That's
still
a
high
contamination
rate,
but
what
it
does
tell
us
is,
even
though
we
haven't
optimized
these
pairings
there's
some
indications
on
the
recycle
container,
because
it's
blue
and
it's
got
some
signage
well,
some
labels
that
it
is
recycled,
but
there's
no
indications
at
all
for
the
trash
containers
that
they're
paired
with
that
they
are
actually
trash
containers.
Rather
than
something
else,
so
it's
not
surprising
that
the
contamination
levels
are
at
40%
but,
on
the
other
hand,
clearly
it's
still
having
an
impact
to
pair
them
up.
D
D
E
What
is
that
the
Southern
California
Association
of
Governments,
yes
jack,
so
it's
back
in
their
hands
right
now
with
our
project
manager
there,
and
so
the
next
step
would
be
for
them
to
issue
the
request
for
a
proposal
so
that
we
can
get
a
consultant
assigned
to
that
project
for
us
and
that
will
move
along
very
rapidly
once
it
gets
assigned,
because
we
don't
actually
have
that
much
more
time
on
that
project.
So.
D
D
Was
thinking
of
shading
say
something
that
we
talked
about
way
back
when,
when
we
were
working
on
the
sustainability
master
plan
mm-hm
and
also
things
like
having
a
demonstration
project
along
for
East?
Oh,
that
topic
has
come
up
again
in
social
media
very
recently,
so
yeah.
So
incorporating
not
just
the
public
realm
that
also
how
to
address
walkability
in
the
private
realm.
Okay
and.
E
They're
looking
at
it
right
now,
I
think
it
should
come
out
this
month.
I
mean
I'm,
hoping
that
they
can
turn
it
around
pretty
quickly.
Cuz
I,
don't
know
what
else
they've
gotten
multiple
ones
that
they're
doing
so
they
should
be
able
to
get
it
out
pretty
quickly.
I
think
it's
pretty
standard,
and
then
six
weeks
probably
turnaround
time.
30
days
to
you
know
six
weeks
so.
H
So
another
process
question
here,
so
this
is
a
little
different
situation,
maybe
for
maybe
some
of
the
other
work
products
that
the
Commission
has
developed
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
our
current
process
covers
how
sort
of
an
RFI
or
you
know,
a
grant
making
process
is
distributed
across
committees
and
the
full
commission
and
whatnot.
Does
that
make
sense?
What
I'm
asking.
E
H
E
E
C
H
Don't
think
we
need
to
see
the
fine
RFP,
but
it
would
be
nice
if
there
will
be
no
more
work
done
on
it
before
it
goes
out
for
RFP
to
see
that,
but
we
don't
have
to
be
involved
in
the
RFP
development.
Okay.
Does
that
make
sense
sure.
D
I
believe
this
scope
wasn't
not
distributed
to
the
Commission,
and
previously
there
was
I
think
it
had
been,
but
yeah
it's
been
a
while,
but
there
was
the
scope
that
was
developed.
That.
D
E
D
E
E
E
Alright
and
then
the
only
other
thing
we're
gonna
report
on
was
the
RFI
results
request
for
information
results
from
the
SCOOTER
solicitation.
So
at
the
risk
of
stealing
my
own
thunder
for
tomorrow
night's
council
meeting,
there
were
three
respondents:
we
got
a
response
from
birds
skip
and
spin
they,
basically
the
common
themes.
Were
there
all
emphasizing
partnering
with
cities.
Now
is
there
kind
of
new
approach
to
doing
business?
E
Lots
of
information
sharing
and
one
of
them
even
has
an
app
that
they
can
link
to
local
businesses,
so
they
can
route
people
to
local
businesses
to
promote
more
at
the
local
economy.
All
of
them
engage
some
aspect
of
the
local
workforce,
so
they
hire
folks
locally
to
maintain
their
units
and
and
charge
things,
and
all
that
there
have
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
bike
infrastructure.
E
Based
on
the
key
concerns
that
the
group
identified,
things
like
parking,
upright,
a
couple
of
them
suggested:
locking
bike,
locking
scooters
bike.
Racks
bird
has
a
fairly
sophisticated
tip,
identification
technology
that,
if
they're
tipped
over,
they
get
a
notification
that
that
something
is
wrong,
and
so
they
can
go
out
and
address
it.
E
They
do
a
lot
with
scooter
design
too.
They
have
a
very
low
center
of
gravity,
so
it
prevents
them
from
tipping
over
as
much
parking
locations.
All
of
them
are
moving
I,
think
towards
more
of
a
place-based
parking
system,
so
identifying
areas
to
park
them
and
only
allowing
people
to
park
them
in
those
areas.
Helmets
is
another
key
challenge,
even
though
all
of
them
give
out
helmets
for
free.
E
They
are
looking
at
new
technologies
like
foldable
helmets
and
the
inflatable
helmets,
so
hopefully
people
to
encourage
people
to
actually
use
them,
because
these
things
are
very
mobile.
So
you
need
something.
That's
also
going
to
be
mobile
with
you
speed.
They
can
automatically
control
the
speed
in
different
parts
of
the
city
if
we
wanted
them
to
do
that,
15
miles
per
hour
is
the
typical
speed.
E
Eight
miles
per
hour
is
the
slower
speed
and
then
they
can
go
all
the
way
down
to
three
miles
per
hour
or
nothing
so
a
lot
they
can
do
automatically
with
that
prohibiting
use
on
sidewalks.
They
still
can't
do
that.
Technically,
they
still
rely
on
people
reporting
bad
behavior
to
address
that
issue.
But
again
the
technology
is
getting
better
so
that
the
it
it
is
better
enabling
them
to
identify
whether
or
not
somebody
is
on
a
sidewalk
so
responding
to
complaints.
E
Now
it
was
really
about
it.
The
only
other
kind
notable
thing
is
that
bird
suggested
having
some
more
accessible
and
adaptive
vehicles
in
the
fleet
here
to
accommodate
maybe
less
experienced
riders,
so
three-wheeled
versions,
as
opposed
to
two
so
anyway.
So
that's
an
option
too.
So
so
we'll
talk
we'll
see
what
the
feedback
is
tomorrow
at
the
meeting
and
see
where
we
go
from
there.
I,
don't
I,
don't
exactly
know.
B
And
I
think
at
that
1ps
meeting
last
week,
David
Reddy
said
that
there'll
be
a
decision
either
to
have
a
trial
program
partnering
or
not
to
allow
them
at
all.
E
D
Just
have
a
comment:
I
just
happen
had
I'm
sure
our
city,
legal
team
will
be
on
top
of
this,
but
I
just
happened
to
read
an
article
earlier
today
about
I,
won't
name
names,
but
one
of
these
firms,
that
was
in
hot
water
in
San
Francisco,
and
so
they
were
fair
boat
and
what
they
seemed
to
wind
up
doing
is
they
bought
out
another
scooter
company
and
that
had
a
contract
with
the
city
of
San
Francisco
to
do
a
little
work?
Well
right,
yeah.
E
I
I
It
seemed
like,
and
so
that's
why
we
went
to
Palm
Springs
Cultural
Center,
to
see
if
we
could
collaborate
with
them,
but
Tim
would
like
to
see
if
they
may
want
to
do
an
east/west
collaboration,
because
he
doesn't
want
to
be
in
competition,
so
we'll
find
out
about
that
and
then
go
from
there.
So
we'll
report
back
as
soon
as
we
have
a
meeting.
B
J
We
didn't
have
a
subcommittee
meeting.
We
had
a
couple
of
items
that
were
open.
One
of
them
is
I
talked
to
the
man
store
manager,
the
Starbucks
to
talk
eats
about
getting
some
bike
racks
there.
She
was
enthusiastic
about
it,
so
we
did
some
research
and
we
found
some
smaller
ones
that
weren't
the
big
giant
colored
ones,
that
we
have
the
bicycle
shape
ones
but
they're
made
by
the
same
vendor.
J
So
we
can
order
them
in
the
exact
same
colors,
which
I
think
would
appease
any
concerns
that
I
think
Jo
might
have
about
getting
matching
rack.
So
I
sent
her
some
communications
and
pictures
of
that
and
we're
gonna
look
into
it
and
also
I
was
up
I've,
been
up
in
Portland
last
couple
of
weeks
and
I
notice.
All
their
bike.
Racks
are
in
brick
streets,
so
well,
they
just
I
think
they
just
removed
the
bricks
and
they
set
them
in
concrete
and
put
the
bricks
bricks
back
on
so
I
guess.
J
We
need
to
work
with
somebody
and
engineering
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
that's
okay
with
them
is
there
anything
else
on
that
Danielle
that
you
saw
I,
don't
think
so
I
believe
that's
all
yeah,
okay,
so
always,
let's
just
say,
but
I
would
like
to
get
some
more
out
there.
Then
I
guess
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
a
safety
brochure
and
Patrick
I
forgot
what
we
talked
about
that
at
the
last
a
little
bit
didn't.
We
had
another
group
that
wanted
to
work
on
some
of
the
safety
issues.
No.
E
E
J
E
J
E
J
E
I
I
Facebook
seems
to
be
good
if
people
are
on
Facebook,
the
billboards,
twelve
percent,
so
I
was
hoping
to
have
a
little
conversation
about
the
Billboard,
because
you
know
what
what
we
reflected
on
is
that
there
is
an
intrinsic
value
of
having
a
presence
across
the
community
that
people
are
driving.
We
don't
know
who
is
going
to
catch
the
news
if
we're
on
the
news
or
what
radio
station
we
might
get
onto
and
who's
listening
at
that
specific
time.
But
a
lot
of
people
are
noticing
billboards.
I
So
it's
a
way
for
us
to
have
a
presence-
and
you
know,
even
just
getting
your
sustainable
city,
calm
out
into
people's
vision
is
a
way
that
they
know
about
us.
So
you
know
they're
giving
us
a
deal
of
sorts
for
each
vinyl.
We
paid
nine
hundred
forty
five
dollars
and
then
they
they
gave
us
the
space
for
free.
So
there
is
this
in-kind
participation
with
Lamar
and
they
got
their
logo
as
well
once
again
on
onto
the
Billboard
as
well
as
having
it
below
it,
which,
which
is
fine.
I
I,
haven't
heard
back.
I
asked
Vanessa
because
in
the
past
I
asked
her.
Could
we
get
on
the
electronic
ones
and
she
said
that
no
nonprofit
gets
on
those
which
is
interesting,
but
maybe
we
could
even
consider
having
a
couple
or
one
or
two
vinyl
ones
and
maybe
paying
for
that
electronic
space
or
something
like
that.
I
So
that's
that's
one
option
at
our
debrief
for
World
Environment,
Day
Megan
goring
also
brought
up
that
there
is
a
company
who
will
recycle
the
vinyls
into
bags,
which
is
an
interesting
idea,
because
then
we
could
potentially
sell
those
bags,
and
you
know
make
back
some
thing
from
that
and
she
said
they're
very
durable,
she's
purchased.
One
Vanessa
had
assured
me
that
the
vinyls
are
recycled
from
Lamar
by
a
different
company
that
goes
in
and
recycles
them.
So
it's
not
a
total
waste
of
creating
something
you
know
to
advertise
for
this
event.
C
Have
a
comment:
I
do
think
that
they
raise
awareness
of
the
sustainability,
Commission
and
Palm
Spring
sustainability
beyond
just
World
Environment
Day,
and
let
people
know
that
there
is
a
World
Environment
Day,
because
most
people
know
about
birthday.
But
lot
don't
know
about
World,
Environment,
Day
I
think
also
it
could
be
a
way
to
get
people
to
go
to
the
app
that
you're
talking
about,
especially
in
this
next
year
and
get
people
used
to
going
there
and
then,
if
they
go
there
about
that
event,
they're
gonna
see
all
the
other
stuff.
H
I
E
H
Believe
that's
what
we
discussed
at
our
last
meeting
last
month
too,
so
my
my
thought
actually
was
right
now.
This
is
an
ad
hoc
subcommittee,
but
this
feels,
like
you
know,
it's
becoming
an
important
program
for
our
Commission
and
maybe
should
no
longer
be
an
ad
hoc
committee.
Maybe
they
should
be
a
standing
committee
and
you
know
we
really
put
some
time
and
effort
into
it
because
it
seems
like
it's
successful
so.
B
H
I
Well,
this
all
sounds
really
good,
I.
Think
having
a
standing
committee
for
this
is
great,
and
maybe
you
know
maybe
it's
something
we
don't.
You
know.
I
was
hoping
tonight
to
also
talk
about
what
our
target
group
is
if
it
continues
to
be
kids
and
families
and
adults,
because
it
could
change
the
event
we
did
have.
I
One
of
our
exhibitors
she's
got
the
smart
education,
it's
robotics,
so
she's
in
STEM
education,
and
she
said
you
know
if
we
change
this
away
from
being
a
child
friendly
event,
she
would
no
longer
come
so
I
think
that
it
is
valuable
to
have
something.
That's
kid
friendly
as
well
as
educating
in
educational
for
adults
and
it
you
know
we
could
also
split
it
up
and
have
you
know,
partially
educational
and
kids
and
then
partial,
like
entertainment,
because
there
seems
to
be
this.
I
You
know
continuous
feedback
that
the
music
is
too
loud,
and
people
can't
hear-
and
you
know
it's
nice-
to
have
a
little
background
music,
but
it's
also
nice.
Maybe
to
have
musicians
that
are,
you
know,
turn
it
into
more
of
an
adult
friendly
event.
It
was
proposed
maybe
to
have
sustainable
beer
and
wine,
and
you
know
maybe
turn
it
into
something
else
like
that.
I
After
our
event
or
something
so,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
possibilities
that
we
could
make
it
really
fun
and
grow
it
into
something
that
is
really
great
for
everyone,
and
you
know
so
perhaps
that's
you
know,
maybe
I
don't
know.
Do
you
have
an
idea?
Should
we
keep
talking
about
this
and
think
about
it
rather
than.
H
B
Been
thinking
about
that,
as
we've
been
talking
and
I,
think
it
would
make
sense
to
have
it
as
an
agenda
item
next
time
and
we
can
address
at
least
two
things
one
is
who
will
be
on
the
on
the
committee:
will
it
be
the
same
people
and
perhaps
more,
and
when
should
the
committee
start
meeting
on
a
regular
basis?
So
if
that's
okay,
why
don't
we
just
plan
on
discussing
it?
The
next
time
sounds.
I
And
I
will
also
possibly
be
able
to
report
back
with
the
art
contest.
You
know
it
changed
from
being
a
Creek
opportunity
to
an
environmental
education
collaborative
because
I
didn't
I
didn't
want
the
art
to
not
have
I
didn't
want
it
to
be
my
art
contest,
basically,
and
so
the
the
EEC.
You
know
gladly
wants
to
take
this
on,
but
I
think
because
it
has
the
EEC
name
on
it.
Perhaps
the
EEC
can
sponsor
you
know
the
art
prizes.
I
J
I
did
put
together
a
subcommittee
report
that
a
little
bit
later
again,
I
was
for
a
lot
of
week,
and
my
notes
were
here,
but
I
did
my
best
to
say
what
happened.
We
met
on
the
29th.
We
met
with
Luke
sabalan,
the
chief
scientist
from
the
National
Park
Service
and
from
the
astronomer
at
Rancho.
Mirage
is
a
full-time
job
and
we
met
at
the
astronomy
at
the
observatory
and
it
was
interesting
meeting
the
guy
that
Joshua
tree
guy
was
super
excited
about
it.
He
was
just
thrilled.
J
But
you
know
we
sort
of
talked
about
a
number
of
things
and
the
thing
one
of
the
things
that
the
Joshua
tree
guy
brought
up
and
Karl.
Last
last
time.
You
know:
what's
the
economic
impact
of
this
and
the
Josh
tree
guy
brought
up
the
fact
that
Josh,
the
tree
has
gone
from
a
hundred
thousand
to
two
million
people
and
they're
really
pushing
night
skies,
and
he
also
says
Joshua
Tree
generates
one
hundred
and
eighty
million
dollars
in
revenue
for
Coachella
Valley.
So
he
thinks
a
lot
of
those
that
same
kind
of
overflow
of
people.
J
J
The
guy
from
Rancho
Mirage
brought
up
a
bunch
of
ideas
about
how
reduced
light
can
actually
improve
security,
and
he
showed
some
because
a
lot
of
people
have
security
concerns
about
minimizing
light
and
switching
from
floods
to
spots
and
not
over
lighting
areas
actually
make
it
easier
to
see
people
which
is
helpful.
We
also
agreed
that
this
is
something
that
seabag
might
be
interested
in,
because
it's
benefits
a
number
of
cities
in
Coachella,
Valley
and
Rancho.
J
Mirage
is
certainly
interested
in
parting
with
us,
so
I
listed
some
of
our
next
steps
and
I
think
we
kind
of
talked
about
doing
this
in
a
two-part
deal,
and
one
of
them
is
just
to
come
up
with
social
media
and
brochure
type
guidelines
of
what
we
would
recommend
as
being
helpful
for
Tharks
guys
and
then
get
that
sort
of
out
there
and
circulated
before
we
go
to
the
next
step
of
putting
together
an
ordinance
and
real
quickly.
The
the
things
that
we
zoomed
in
that
were
the
most
helpful,
we're
lighting
curfew.
J
So
all
the
up
lights
and
landscaping
lighting
that
goes
off
should
go
off
at
10:00
or
11:00
at
night
and
not
be
ran
all
night
long,
color
selection
of
warm
lights
under
3000
K
are
much
better
for
for
dark
skies
than
the
cold
blue
lights.
The
5000
K
lights,
maximum
lumen
lumen
levels
by
type.
So
a
lot
of
times
you'll
see
trees
are
just
have
a
nice
glow
to
him.
J
Some
very
high-end
car
dealerships
right
near
there,
I
think
the
Audi
dealer
and
a
couple
other
ones,
and
they
managed
to
negotiate
a
situation
that
makes
the
car
dealerships
happy
and
the
the
observatory
is
really
happy
to.
So
there
are
approaches
that
work
in
commercial
districts
that
minimize
dark
skies
so
and
the
final
one
is
shielding
fixtures
and
using
spotless
floodlights
was
our
spotlights
rather
than
floodlights.
So
I
think
that
was
helpful
and
then
another
thing
that
I
that
I
thought
was
helpful.
J
That
Joshua
Tree
guy
brought
up
was
that
the
city
of
Malibu
just
vetted
and
passed
the
whole
brand-new
lighting,
ordinance
that
everybody
really
likes,
and
so
I
think.
The
fact
that
it's
already
been
through
the
city
of
Malibu
is
gonna
be
fairly
easy
for
us
to
sort
of
bring
forth
to
our
City
Council
when
we're
at
that
step
and
so
I
think
they
shared
that
with
us
I
either.
Have
it
or
I
got
access
to
it.
J
I
think
I
have
a
hard
copy
of
it
and
then
yeah
the
Rancho,
Mirage
guy,
says
yeah
I
think
he
would
be
happy
and
promoting
this
with
his
City
Council's,
so
that
Rancho
Mirage
at
a
minimum
can
partner
with
Palm
Springs
on
it,
but
hopefully
that
would
be
expanded
to
Coachella
Valley,
so
Robert
any
other
things
that
I
didn't
add
in
there.
I
left
I.
A
Would
just
clarify
one
thing
when
we're
going
back
again
to
the
challenge
that
was
passed
out
of
the
last
thing?
Well,
what's
what's
in
this
for
us?
Why
what?
Why
would
we
care
about
City
Council
getting
behind
it
and
why
you
know
beyond
just
the
the
general
overnight
sites
guys
are
good
and
and
Jim
mentioned,
so
the
the
first
point
that
he
really
really
emphasized
was
how
many
people
come
to
Joshua
Tree,
because
it's
a
dark
sky
destination,
large
proportion
of
the
millions
ago
there.
A
The
second
point
he
made
was
we're
overcrowded
and
were
overwhelmed,
so
we
can't
handle
the
number
of
people
that
want
to
go
to
Joshua
Tree.
So
the
third
point
was:
if
we
could
recover
our
dark
skies
here
in
Palm,
Springs
and
start
advertising
ourselves
as
a
dark
sky
destination,
then
we
could
take
Joshua
trees,
overflow
and
it
would
be
a
total
win-win
situation.
I
thought
that
was
pretty
powerful
and.
J
J
What
I
see
as
the
net
steps
I
don't
have
any
context.
It's
eval.
You
know
how
that
works,
but
we're
going
to
develop
our
internal
brochure.
I
mean
our
internal
list
and
kind
of
polish
it
up
a
little
bit
circulate
it
with
Rancho
Mirage
and
then
maybe
somehow
presented
at
sea.
Vague
can
I
do
that.
Yeah.
J
A
This
poster
that
and
I'll
definitely
try
to
read
well.
I
will
remember
to
bring
it
for
our
next
meeting.
The
they've
done
a
visual
of
where
light
pollution
is
up
at
Joshua,
Tree
and
and
it's
down
at
the
horizon.
It's
it's
okay
up
above
but
but
there's
an
area,
that's
Las,
Vegas,
there's
an
area,
that's
LA
and
the
basin,
but
unfortunately,
then
there's
an
area
to
the
south,
which
is
us
which
is
the
Coachella
Valley.
So
we're
part
of
the
problem.
Now
not
the
solution
so.
J
H
Any
of
the
ordinances
deal
with
events.
I
know
that
here
in
the
city,
the
city
manager
can
override
a
noise
ordinance.
If
there's
a
specific
reason
to
so
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
we
do
have
some
events.
I
have
really
bright
lights
and
you
know
do
deserve
some
consideration.
So
I'm
wondering
if
that's
been
dealt
with
in
any
ordinances,
nice
I.
J
Haven't
read
through
it
all,
but
I
would
imagine
they
do
recreation
sports
facilities
that
there
tends
to
be
guidelines
about
those
sort
of
things.
So
you
know
I
think
it's
the
sum
total
the
game.
If
you
eliminate
you
know
some
some
car
lots
and
some
parks,
and
then
you
know
occasionally:
labs
are
all
overflows,
but
I
haven't
combed
through
the
Malibu
ordinance
and
indeed
you
know
something
to
keep
it
wherever
I'll
take
a
look
next
time
and.
A
A
Don't
know
at
this
point
whether
the
lights
are
on
when
they
don't
have
to
be,
but
it
will
be
something
nice
to
explore
and
find
out,
because
if
those
fields
are
being
illuminated
when
there
aren't
events
going
on
or
after
the
events
are
finished
for
too
long,
it's
just
wasting
taxpayer
money
and
it's
wasting
school
money
and
it's
polluting.
My
lights
cover
my
night
sky.
D
I,
thank
you
that
was
very
thorough
and
informative
and
I
just
wanted
to
address
the
applicability
of
light
pollution
and
regulation
of
it
to
walkability,
because,
as
we
discovered
on
our
survey,
which
we
did
in
the
winter,
when
it
got
dark
pretty
early,
there
are
areas
where
there
are
as
a
pedestrian.
It's
very
difficult
to
find
your
way
in
part,
because
either
there's
no
lighting
at
all
or
because
the
lighting
is
lighting
the
street
and
the
lighting
that
is
lighting.
D
J
This
is
sounds
good,
so
you
know
most
of
them.
I've
had
a
couple
mates.
Jane
garrison
has
been
working
on
this,
but
it
was
just
informal
and
they
really
tracked
the
number
of
sheep
and
there's
been
some
articles
in
the
the
Desert
Sun
recently
and
apparently
the
the
lambing
season
in
San
Jacinto
didn't
go
very
well
and
they're.
Only
four
and
they've
seemed
to
believe
the
four
lambs
are
either
so
it's
it's
an
unfortunate
situation,
but
interesting
enough.
If
you
look
at
San
just
I'm
sure
that's
in
San
Jacinto
Mountains.
J
So
if
you
look
at
Santa
Rosa
mountains,
the
the
breeding
was
successful
and
they
haven't
lost
anything.
So
something
is
different
between
these
two
ranges.
We
continue
to
try
and
work
with
the
city
manager,
we're
not
getting
any
traction
at
all
that
June
3rd.
We
both
had
a
long
discussion
with
Lisa
Middleton.
She
said,
she'd
bring
it
forward
and
I
responded
back
in
kind,
saying
that
I
mean
in
a
follow-up
with
Lisa
and
I
said
we're
not
getting
much
traction
here.
J
The
next
step
that
we're
discussing
with
bighorn
sheep
thinking
about
since
these
parks
are
BLM
national
park
is
closing
the
trails
entirely.
So
that
would
be
closing
all
the
lichen
trails.
All
access
trail,
access
in
Palm,
Springs,
I
think
as
hopefully
that'll
get
their
attention
a
little
bit
more
than
just
putting
the
dog
signs
up,
because
that's
obviously
up
to
the
BLM
but
I
think
that
would
be
something
worth
considering
if
it
prison
if
it
preserves
a
species.
That's
hanging
by
a
thread
right
now.
B
Any
comments
or
questions.
The
next
item
is
wellness
and
Commissioner
Commissioner
Baker's,
not
here
tonight,
water.
F
Okay,
so
there
was
a
presentation
this
morning
at
the
DW,
a
board
meeting
on
the
tree
rape
program
for
the
new
fiscal
year
that
begins
on
July
1.
They
I
mentioned
last
month.
Residential
rebate
will
go
from
$1.00
per
square
foot
to
$2
per
square
foot
to
replace
some
state
money
that
will
no
longer
be
available
in
the
new
fiscal
year
and
rebates
will
be
available
in
private
areas.
Ie
backyards
there'll
be
a
residential,
$500
professional
design
rebate.
F
So
you
can
basically
hire
a
landscape
person
and
get
$500
back
on
that
and
a
new
program
will
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollar
rebate
for
high-efficiency
washing
machines,
which
probably
cost
about
$200
more
than
just
a
regular
unit.
So
most
of
the
additional
costs
will
be
covered
by
the
rebate
and
there
will
also
be
a
commercial
toilet
rebate
program.
That's
targeted
to
hotels
so
for
tent
eyelets
or
more,
the
residential
toilet
programs
being
phased
out
and
finally,
a
low-income
repair
program
of
up
to
750
dollars
per
property
to
repair
plumbing
or
irrigation.
F
We're
DWA
will
basically
work
and
send
somebody
over
and
paid
pay
the
bill
for
that.
F
There's
continuing
work
with
Patrick
on
a
demonstration
project
at
the
airport's,
essentially
right
across
the
street
and
Ashley,
seem
to
think
that,
while
they're
requesting
prop
1
funds
of
sixteen
hundred
sixty
thousand
dollars
that
they're
going
to
put
anyway
see,
she
seemed
pretty
optimistic
that
this
was
actually
something
that's
likely
to
happen.
So
he
can
coordinate
on
that.
You
can
bring
that
back
to
us.
So.
E
Landscape
committee
of
the
Airport
Commission
met
and
passed
a
resolution
to
essentially
spend
I
think
they
set
aside
about
a
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
a
design
plan
so
for
turf
conversion
so
that
what
they
wanted
to
do
was
have
a
plan
in
place
so
that
they
could
essentially
do
projects
as
the
money
was
available,
so
that
passed
and
I
think
it
passed.
The
full
commission
as
well
so
so
I
think
that's
another
good
sign.
F
F
So
so
far
this
year
less
waters
was
consumed
than
in
each
month
in
2018,
so
we're
definitely
on
a
good
trend
on
water
and-
and
that
seems
to
be
that
the
residential,
a
lot
of
people
who
wanted
to
do
the
residential
is
has
been
done
so
they're
working
willfully.
We
can
work
with
that
on
some
of
the
HOAs
and
perhaps
come
up
with
some
some
funds
to
support
some
of
the
HOAs
and
and
and
other
commercial
areas,
because
the
residential
is
probably
mostly
done
they.
F
They
seem
to
think
that
that's
a
at
least
the
front
yards
are
done,
maybe
get
some
more
backyards,
and
things
like
that,
so
the
good
news
is
the
people
are
conserving.
I
B
C
J
J
D
Yeah,
there's
no
orchestra
to
get
the
hook
and
take
me
off
the
stage
so
so
Commissioner
Friedman
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
on
solar
with
me
in
the
beginning
and
when
I
ran
away
and
started
focusing
on
mobility
issues,
I
am
utterly
amazed
at
how
far
you
took
that
and
other
energy
issues
and
I
can't.
Thank
you
enough
for
the
entire
city
for
everything
that
you've
done
sure
and
a
commissioner
not
go
to
a
bit
goth
ear.
D
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
the
Commission
on
the
subcommittee's
that
you
do
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
I
think
that
your
comments
and
questions
are
always
very
thought-provoking
and
I.
Think
that
ramps
up
our
game
and
I.
Thank
you
for
that,
commissioner.
Futterman.
Thank
you
for
also
joining
our
walkability
committee
and
I
am
very
impressed
with
your
film
work,
but
I
I
see
World
Environment
Day
is
really
taking
off
and
I
love
that
and
I'm
sorry
that
we
weren't
able
to
participate
on
that
this
year.
D
Hopefully
our
schedules
at
my
office
allow
us
to
do
that
next
year,
Commissioner
McCann,
thank
you
for
dealing
with
waste
and
pre
waste
and
post
post
waste
and
everything
associated
with
it
and
taking
on
the
role
of
vice
chair
and
chair
Clark.
Thank
you
for
taking
a
lot
of
the
role
of
vice
chair
when
I
was
feeling
a
little
bit
of
pressure
to
do
that.
But
my
workload
was
not
allowing
me
and
I
think
you've
done
a
bang-up
job
in
that
role
and
then
as
chair
as
well,
so
keep
at
it.
Thank
You,
Commissioner
Flanagan.
D
It
was
great
meeting
you
even
before
you
were
assigned
to
this
commission
and
it's
I,
the
just
the
diversity,
an
array
of
topics
that
you're
covering
is
great
and
thanks
keep
it
up
and
manager.
Tallarico
I
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
you
on
walkability
is
that
topic
was
forward
and
that
you've
really
hit
the
ground
running
and
very
impressed
Oh
coordinator
dick
Garbo.
D
D
F
Nothing
further
and
once
again
is
it
other
than
to
say
it's
been
a
pleasure
working
with
Commissioner,
Wilson
I.
Think
I
inherit
the
title
of
being
the
longest-serving
Commissioner,
so
I'm
happy
to
be
the
sort
of
the
historical
reference
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
have
been
talking
about.
It
does
seem
that
things
sort
of
hit
the
agenda
saying
we
didn't.
We
already
talked
about
that
like
four
years
ago,
so
I'm
happy
to
be
the
recipient
of
the
baton.
Passing.
H
John,
sorry,
for
keeping
you
away
from
the
cake.
I
have
one
small
thing:
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
one
out
of
committee
or
subcommittee
activity
that
happened
during
the
past
month
and
that
was
tea.
Santora,
Patrick
and
I
met
with
Lisa
Boatner
at
sea
vApp
to
get
a
jump
start
on
the
economic
sustainability
chapter
of
our
sustainability
master
plan,
which
we
haven't
been
working
on
and
so
I
think
we
covered
a
lot
of
ground.
H
H
We're
exploring
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
do.
Some
of
them
are
really
large,
and
some
of
them
are.
Maybe
we
still
have
to
find
resources
to
figure
out
how
to
cover
some
others.
So
you
know
if
either
one
of
those
challenges
can
be
tackled
and
certainly
but
I
think
we
want
to
be
sure
that
we
can
do
that
before.
We
actually
form
a
subcommittee,
some.
B
I
I
I
They
would
not
need
to
be
super
durable
because
they're
inside,
but
the
cardboard
ones
that
are
presently
there
are,
you
know,
not
not
a
great
option,
and
so
she
inquired
if
we
might
be
able
to
help
them
acquire
these
and
I
thought
it
could
be
a
really
nice
partnership.
If
we
could
purchase
these
recycling
containers
and
put
our
logo
on
it,
it
would
get
your
sustainable
city
out
there
even
more
in
and
they're
a
non-profit.
So
it
seems
you
know
they
do
a
lot
of
good
work
in
our
community.
Just.