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From YouTube: City Council Meeting | Oct 17 2022
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Regular meeting of the Palm Springs City council, held October 17th, 2022
B
B
Thank
you,
madam
clerk,
could
you
please
conduct
the
Roll
Call
council
member
hostage
present
councilmember
Coors
here,
councilmember
Woods
president
mayor
Pro,
Tim
Garner,
here
mayor
Middleton
present
five
members
present
all
right
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
presentations.
Do
we
have
any
presentations
this
evening.
B
C
Consent,
calendar
items
or
requests
consent,
calendar
items
to
be
removed
for
a
separate
discussion.
City
council
may
also
remove
items
from
the
consent
calendar
prior
to
that
portion
of
the
agenda.
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
for
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
items?
A
council,
member
or
staff
would
like
removed
from
the
agenda?
C
Councilmember
Woods,
yes,
item
one
I
and
I'd.
Also,
if
we
approve
the
rest
of
the
agenda,
I
will
for
one
J
vote,
no
just
for
the
record
if
it
gets
to
that
point.
Okay,.
D
C
Be
pulled
seeing
not
a
council
member
Halsted.
Excuse
me
thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
to
the
public
I'm
appearing
on
Zoom,
because
I
am
I'm,
still
fighting
a
cold
I'd
like
to
pull
item
1f
as
in
Frank,
and
then
I'd
also
like
to
know
a
recusal
on
item
1j
since
I
was
not
present.
For
that
conversation.
Thank
you
all
right.
C
Thank
you,
and
I
would
like
to
note
that
for
all
that
are
present,
we
believe
most
of
you
are
here
for
the
discussion
on
item
3D
regarding
vacation,
rentals
and
that
item
will
be
moved
forward
in
the
agenda.
Once
we
have
completed
the
consent,
calendar.
C
C
This
next
item
is
public
comment
and
before
we
begin
public
comment,
I
would
like
to
make
a
couple
of
remarks
regarding
vacation
rentals
specifically
to
outline
for
the
public,
as
this
may
have
some
effect
on
what
you
want
to
say
in
public
comment
in
conversations
over
the
course
of
the
last
many
weeks
in
particular
over
the
last
week
with
a
number
of
individuals
who
are
very
interested
in
the
subject
and
a
number
of
email
conversations
that
we
have
had
and
phone
calls
there's
a
set
of
ideas
that
are
starting
to
surface
among
two
members
of
city
council,
council,
member
Coors
and
myself
that
we
would
like
to
make
public
before
we
begin
public
comment,
and
that
is
the
following
concepts
to
apply
for
the
direction
city
council
will
give
going
forward.
C
C
That
attestation
would
be
subject
to
audit
and
there
would
be
penalties
for
intentional
falsification
of
that
attestation.
That
could
include
the
surrender
of
a
permit
current
permit
holders
would
have
somewhere
between
5
and
10
years
before
they
would
also
be
required
to
live
in
the
home.
That
is
being
rented
for
at
least
90
days
per
year.
C
C
C
Those
are
Concepts.
We
simply
wanted
to
get
them
in
front
of
you
before
we
begin
public
comment
and
we
will
have
a
full
discussion
of
all
of
those
comments.
Once
this
agenda
item
comes
up
with
that
Madam
clerk,
please
call
for
public
comment.
We
will
begin
with
those
who
are
present
in
the
audience.
C
Hello
city
council,
my
name
is
Michael
slate
owner
operator
of
elevate,
Palm
Springs,
a
boutique
real
estate
agency
here
in
the
Coachella
Valley
and.
C
I
think
it's
a
shame
we're
here
tonight
discussing
this
topic.
We
have
a
thriving
City
that
exists
as
a
result,
and
it
has
seen
a
great
turnaround
as
a
result
of
investors
having
faith
in
this
town.
I,
don't
know
if
you
look
around
Palm
Springs
very
often,
but
we
still
have
a
lot
of
homes
that
need
investor,
love
and
investor
time
and.
C
It's
tough
to
watch.
You
guys
bring
something
to
a
head
like
that.
This
that
will
grind
that
to
a
halt.
You
may
think
you're
doing
something
for
our
neighborhoods.
You
may
think
you're
doing
something
right
for
our
towns.
I
strongly
disagree
and
I
work
with
many
people.
You
know
in
this
community
who
disagree
as
well.
Desert,
Park
Estates
is
a
prime
example
of
a
neighborhood
that
you
say
you
grew
up
in
and
lived
in,
but
it
doesn't,
it
hasn't,
looked
or
felt
like
a
neighborhood
and.
C
As
far
as
the
data
goes,
air
DNA
showed
that
that
pre-pandemic
we
had
3
300,
active
Airbnb
licenses
in
Palm
Springs
and
that
during
the
pandemic,
after
the
at
the
the
pandemic
occurred
that
number
dropped
down
to
22
2300
the
market
self-regulates.
We
have
interest
rates
that
have
doubled
and
you
know
we
have
an
affordability
issue
just
with
our
average
buyer
pool
here.
So
that's
going
to
slow
our
market
and
our
our
growth
as
a
city
right
then,
and
there
this
decision
and
this
haggling
over
details
and
how
long
people
live
in
the
home.
C
It's
just
silly.
You
know
it
may
work
for
you
as
full-time
residents,
and
it
may
work
for
you,
for
the
town
has
achieved
a
certain
level
that
you
like
it
to
be
at,
but
we
have
a
long
way
to
grow
and
a
long
way
to
go.
As
a
city.
We
have
a
lot
of
empty
buildings
and
a
lot
of
homes
that
still
need
Renovations,
pardon
my
my
voice
and
my
passion,
it's
hard
to
get
up
here
and
speak
in
this
manner.
Your
time
it's
expired,
perfect.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
C
I
have
the
opposite
reaction
to
the
Airbnb
or
the
vacation.
Rental
situation
is
that
man
who
just
spoke
I've
lived
here
for
five
years.
I
bought
a
house
in
a
movie
called
East
five
years
ago
and
for
the
first
three
years
it
was
wonderful.
I
had
great
next
door
neighbors
two
years
ago,
both
the
neighbors
of
both
the
Neighbors
on
both
sides
sold
their
houses
and
both
those
houses
became
airbnbs.
And
since
then
it's
been
a
bloody
nightmare.
C
I
was
completely
unprepared
for
what
happens
when
you're
living
deer
at
Airbnb,
let
alone
having
them
on
both
sides.
I
knew
nothing
about
what
to
do,
and
it
took
me
some
time
and
actually
off
and
on
for
the
past
two
years,
I've
been
trying
to
find
out
more
about
the
situation
how
to
deal
with
it.
People
don't
believe
the
stories
I've
told
about
living
in
between
two
airbnbs
I
think
that
the
city
is
putting
profitability
of
the
airbnbs
or
vacation
rentals
over
the
residents
and
the
importance
of
their
concern
for
the
residents.
C
I
I've
been
coming
to
Palmer
Springs,
since
the
50s
and
I,
don't
think
it's
a
better
city
than
it
was
then
I'm
in
the
process
of
looking
for
a
house
back
in
Los
Angeles
I'm
going
to
move
back
to
LA
because
I
need
some
peace
and
quiet
and
I
don't
have
it
here
and
I'll
I'll
end
by
saying
that
several
members
of
the
city
count.
The
city
government
have
told
me
that
they
don't
live
in
Palm
Springs
and
what
I've
asked
them.
Why
not?
C
They
laughed
and
said
we
wouldn't
live
here,
not
with
these
airbnbs
in
this
situation.
Here,
that's
how
I
feel.
Thank
you.
C
C
All
right.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
time
this
evening
my
name
is
Chad.
Engelking
I
live
with
our
private
Club
Road
at
43
at
Racquet
Club,
that's
fantastic.
Place
shares
a
lot
of
commonalities.
Other
houses
in
the
city
share
single
family,
home,
technically
Zombie
Land,
that's
a
pool
which
saved
me
this
summer
with
all
the
humidity,
but
it
is
in
a
small
giddy
community
and
it
is
governed
by
our
governed
by
an
HOA
that
does
not
allow
short-term
rentals.
So
my
neighbors
I
know
my
neighbors.
C
We
have
some
long-term
rental
folks
they're
there
and
they're
they're
fantastic,
but
if
someone
is
going
someplace
or
have
a
package
there's
a
sense
of
familiarity,
a
sense
of
Friendship
with
all
the
neighbors
there.
My
experience
is
quite
different
than
the
folks
who
don't
live
in
a
HOA
and
share
properties
that
have
these
HOAs
adjacent
to
them.
C
You
know
every
weekend
they
don't
know.
What's
coming,
what's
going,
they
actually
in
some
ways
have
to
police
the
adjacent
properties
next
to
them
call
the
hotline
I,
don't
think
they
signed
up
to
be
unpaid,
Motel,
6
managers,
you
know
and
with
that.
C
What
I
also
see
is
that,
because
we
allow
these
things
to
happen,
the
house,
single
family
house
and
Palm
Springs
I,
think
is
not
the
most
expensive
in
the
valley.
I
love
this
city.
It
has
loads
of
charm,
it
has
loads
of
character.
The
folks
are
fantastic,
but
this
is
not
the
nicest
City
in
this
Valley
Rancho
Mirage
infrastructure,
wise
cleanliness,
far
better
than
this
city
same
of
Palm
Desert.
If
you
look
around
this
Valley
every
other
city
is
an
acting
regulations
against
these
airbnbs,
except
for
Palm
Springs.
C
So
where
are
those
investment
dollars
going
to
go?
They're
going
to
come
to
Palm
Springs
Drive
up
the
prices?
It
also
dovetails
into
a
large,
larger
compensation.
People
have
where
they
say
we
have
a
housing
shortage.
From
my
perspective,
if
you
have
a
usage
shortage,
if
you
were
to
get
rid
of
all
these
airbnbs,
that
would
unlock
loads
of
excess
properties.
For
folks
who
would
like
to
purchase,
thank
you
very
much.
C
C
The
task
force
consisted
of
members
with
varying
positions
on
this
issue
from
one
extreme
to
the
other,
with
some
in
between
surprisingly,
we
came
to
majority
consensus
in
our
recommendations,
an
overall
city-wide
limit
on
short-term
rentals
coupled
with
a
neighborhood
limit,
but
why
the
neighborhood
limit,
Palm
Springs,
is
represented
by
neighborhoods.
We
studied
these
in
our
effort
to
understand
the
impact
of
strs
strs
comprise
over
15
percent
of
single-family
residences
in
over
one-fourth
of
our
neighborhoods.
C
In
one
neighborhood
alone,
the
percentage
is
over
35
percent.
Why
does
this
matter?
A
municipality
among
other
actions
develops
and
enforces
a
master
plan
with
Zoning
for
growth
management
provision
of
critical
Services
Etc.
The
purpose
of
zoning
is
to
allow
local
authorities
to
regulate
and
control
land
and
property
markets
to
ensure
complementary
uses.
C
C
C
Next
is
Stefan
Smith,
followed
by
Donna,
Delmas
hello
good
evening
Council.
Thank
you
for
having
us
this
evening.
So
I
love,
Palm,
Springs,
it's
a
place
where
we
have
come
with
our
family
for
many
years
and
rented
short-term
rentals.
It's
a
place
where
we
brought
our
five
young
adult
children
from
two
different
families
that
we
were
blending
and
made
our
memories.
Here
we
loved
every
moment
of
that.
Our
daughter
got
married
here.
My
mother
recently
had
us
mother-in-law,
had
a
60th
wedding
anniversary
here
and
she
rented
a
short-term
rental
for
that.
C
So
much
that
we
love
the
place
that
we
decided
to
make
it
the
place
of
our
dreams,
and
so
this
year
we
made
a
big
decision.
I
equipped
my
job
and
my
wife
and
I
started
a
business
which
is
based
in
LA,
and
so
we
mortgaged
our
home
in
LA
to
buy
a
home
here,
because
this
will
be
our
future
home
and
we
came
to
one
of
these
neighborhoods,
not
like
the
one.
We
live
in
L.A
where
people
don't
say
good
morning
and
we
don't
know
who
they
are
just
after
five
months
of
living.
D
I
really
thank
you
Council,
for
considering
the
way
you
have
and
what
you've
shared
with
us
this
evening
for
struggling
with
this
issue,
because
my
wife,
Heather
and
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
community
long
term.
We
intend
to
retire
here.
We
want
our
family
to
bring
their
children.
Our
first
grandchildren
is
going
to
be
born
in
a
few
weeks.
D
D
Good
evening,
everyone
and
your
presentation
shaved
off
about
a
minute
and
a
half
of
what
I
wanted
to
say.
So
thank
you.
D
Yes
to
a
moratorium,
yes
to
the
limit
of
permits
and,
as
most
of
you
know,
I
I
live
in
the
Racquet
Club
Estates
neighborhood
I've
been
there
for
22
years
on
my
cul-de-sac
of
13
homes.
They
were
all
lived
in
full
time,
one
by
one.
You
know
people
either
passed
away
or
moved
or
whatever.
We
now
have
four
homes
that
are
lived
in
full
time.
The
rest,
the
other
nine,
are
vacation
rentals
up
until
about
a
year
ago.
D
All
of
those
vacation
rentals
were
quiet,
they're
managed
by
professional
management
companies,
but
one
by
one.
Some
of
them
are
managed
by
the
owners.
Very
unprofessionally,
so
I
had
worked
with
Suzanna
Boris
back
when
the
rental
office
was
established
and
we
set
up
those
rules.
So
what
I'm
going
to
throw
out
some
things
that
are
kind
of
strange
here,
but
first
of
all,
we
have
to
have
better
control,
and
you
know
the
brown
act
education
session
that
we
all
have
to
go
to
I'm
suggesting
you
have
something
like
that.
D
An
education
session
for
homeowners
who
are
applying
for
a
permit
to
be
educated
on
the
on
the
rules.
Then
they
have
to
sign
something
and
become
certified
so
that
they
know
and
if
they're,
having
their
home,
managed
by
a
friend
or
a
non-professional
organization
to
have
those
managers
come
to
that
session
as
well,
because
they're
getting
very
LAX
and
for
the
first
time
in
all
these
years,
We've,
not
just
myself,
but
several
neighbors
have
had
to
call
the
code
enforcement
for
24
7
loud
music.
D
Somebody
was
having
a
fiesta,
they
didn't
invite
us,
so
we
had
to
you
know
we
had
to
call
code
enforcement.
I
mean
you
know
times
expired,
okay
anyway,
thank
you
for
all
that
you're
doing
Bruce
younger.
D
Good
evening,
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
Bruce
younger
I
reside
in
the
miralon
community
in
Palm
Springs,
where
I
serve
on
the
board
of
directors
for
the
homeowners
association
and
I'm.
Here
to
comment
on
agenda.
3D
I
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
the
work
group
that
was
formed
to
discuss
the
issue
of
short-term
rentals.
D
Some
comments
were
made
that
referenced
a
lack
of
representation
from
the
real
estate
industry.
I
do
not
believe
that
is
the
case
at
all.
There
were
three.
There
are
three
of
the
group's
members
have
active
real
estate
licenses
issued
by
the
state
of
California.
There
are
also
four
members
of
V
Ron
PS
on
the
work
group,
so
while
the
board
of
realtors
may
not
have
had
a
lobbyist
on
the
work
group
I
feel
that
the
real
estate
industry
was
fairly
represented
within
the
working
group.
D
D
Among
the
participants,
there
were
individuals
who
thought
short-term
rentals
were
the
curse
and
downfall
of
Palm
Springs
to
those
who
thought
they
were
the
economic
salvation
of
the
city,
and
there
were
many
varying
viewpoints
in
between
at
our
first
meeting
once
everyone
had
introduced
themselves
and
voiced
their
opinions
on
the
topic.
I
thought
this
group
is
never
going
to
agree
on
anything
and
I
truly
believe
that,
however,
after
several
long
sessions
and
much
thought
and
debate,
to
my
surprise,
they
did.
D
The
entire
group
acknowledged
the
need
for
some
type
of
cap
and
most
were
in
agreement
on
for
a
neighborhood
limitation.
There
was
some
difference
on
what
those
limitations
should
be,
but
there
was
a
majority
of
a
consensus
and
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
recommendations
of
the
work
group
seriously.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
all
their
time
and
energy
spent
on
facilitating
the
group.
Thank
you.
F
Due
to
a
restaurant
permit
applications
in
response
to
the
impending
ordinant
revisions,
I
am
asking
city
council
to
select
October
17th
the
day
of
this
agenda
item
to
pause,
permanent
applications.
I
agree
with
the
city
council
still
allowing
annual
renewals
to
go
through,
but
ask
them
to
also
consider
the
responsible.
G
Testing
I
speak
against
the
restrictions.
I
was
shocked
to
learn
that
at
large
seats
in
the
committee
were
equally
Pro
and
anti-renters.
The
committee
is
civic-minded
no
doubt,
but
they
don't
begin
to
reflect
the
attitudes
of
Palm
Springs
voters
if
they
did
you'd
have
no
proposal
here
today
we
live
in
a
country
where
very
vocal
minority
is
imposing
its
will.
All
over
America
I
never
thought
it
would
happen
in
Palm
Springs.
When
the
anti-reners
put
their
views
on
the
ballot,
it
wasn't
just
defeated.
It
was
a
landslide.
G
H
More,
this
committee
hasn't
even
described
a
real
problem
when
there
were
party
houses
and
Noise
We
got
it
and
we
passed
the
toughest
ordinance
in
the
country
in
its
world.
But
just
saying
two
or
three
out
of
every
ten
houses
in
a
neighborhood
might
have
renters
is
a
phony
issue.
I
challenge
you
to
drive
through
any
of
these
neighborhoods.
You
can't
tell
if
the
people
inside
those
houses
or
renters
or
homeowners,
the
character
of
those
neighborhoods
hasn't
changed.
I'd
like
to
take.
I
A
F
Think
it's
better
for
Palm
Springs
to
have
this
business.
The
coveted
honeymoon
is
over
after
three
years,
Californians
can
fly
anywhere.
Our
rental
rates
are
going
down
and
the
number
of
renters
this
year
will
go
down.
The
council
should
be
looking
at
where
they'll
cut
the
budget,
not
at
imposing
more
restrictions
on
rentals.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
I
assume
that
Applause
wasn't
for
me,
I'm
Hank,
plant
and
nice
to
see
you
again
and
I
was
also
a
member
of
the
Str
group
and
I
guess.
I'm,
one
of
the
older
gay
gentlemen
or
somebody
referred
to
I'm,
okay
with
gay
but
older.
J
Want
to
applaud
you
I
think
that
the
concepts
as
the
mayor
called
them
that
you
were
presented
tonight
are
brilliant
I
think
that
it
is
a
way
to
find
balance
between
the
vacation
rental
industry,
which
we
need
and
the
neighborhoods
which
we
need.
A
couple
of
concerns
that
I
have
with
the
concepts
is.
You
talked
about
the
90-day
rule
only
kicking
in
after
five
to
ten
years.
That's
way
too
much,
obviously,
and
the
other.
The
other
suggestion
is
that
we
really
do
need
a
neighborhood
cap
and
I.
J
Think
the
mayor
said
between
15
and
20
percent.
20
doesn't
solve
anything.
Fifteen
percent
would
make
a
difference.
I
mean
I
live
in
a
neighborhood,
that's
17!
Right
now.
The
street
behind
me
is
50
percent
vacation
rentals,
a
17.
There
are
12
neighborhoods
that
are
above
17,
as
you
know,
so
capping
it
at
around
15
or
less
really
would
make
a
difference.
J
The
last
thing
I'll
say,
is
I
I
kind
of
was
amused
when
I
read
the
the
quotes
from
v-ron
in
the
newspaper
and
and
don't
get
me
wrong,
I've
grown
to
really
like
Bruce,
Hoban
I
respect
him
a
lot.
He
does
a
lot
for
the
city
and
I
mean
that
I've
told
him
that
publicly,
but
I
I
got
a
kick
out
of
reading
the
quotes.
That
said
well,
neighborhood
caps
I
mean
that's
a
social.
J
Group
we
took
a
vote
one
night.
The
majority
of
them
wanted
20.
They
just
wanted
a
different
number.
That's
all
some
of
us
wanted.
Seven
percent
I
wanted
seven
percent.
We
found
a
compromise
of
10
so
anyway,
I
sincerely
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
this
on.
It's
not
easy
and
I
want
to
thank
the
city
staff,
because
you've
done
a
terrific
job
on
this
thanks.
J
J
What's
the
first
time,
I've
ever
done
this
so
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
mess
anything
up.
The
first
time
I
came
to
Palm
Springs
I
was
18
and
I.
Remember,
seeing
the
Bougainvillea,
trees
and
freaking
out
because
I've
been
from.
G
I'm
from
California,
but
they
were
so
bright
here.
I
was
like.
What's
going
on,
this
place
is
Paradise
like
what
are
these
trees,
but
anyway,
I
started
begging,
all
my
friends,
all
my
family
to
come
to
Palm
Springs
with
me
as
much
as
possible.
We
would
stay
at
airbnbs,
we
would
stay
at
hotels.
I
fell
in
love
with
this
town
years
ago
and
I've
gotten
to
see
it
change
over
the
last
10
years.
Three
years
ago,
I
met
an
amazing
man
named
Michael.
G
He
sadly
passed
away
from
kovid
two
years
ago
and
sorry
I
decided
in
that
moment
that
I
was
going
going
to
buy
a
house
in
Palm
Springs
and
make
it
a
place
that
Michael
would
want
to
stay
at,
and
so
a
couple
months
ago
I
bought
my
house
in
Palm,
Springs
I
left
my
friends
and
family
in
Los.
Angeles
to
make
this
house
a
home
that
people
could
fall
in
love
with
and
experience
Palm
Springs
the
way
that
I
wanted
them
to
I've,
been
working
on
this
house
every
single
day
morning
and
night.
G
I
live
alone
in
Palm
Springs
I've
gotten
to
see
this
neighborhood
over
the
past
couple
months.
I
love
it
here.
I
have
paint
and
stuff
all
over
my
knees,
but
anyway
then
I
found
out
that
this
meeting
was
happening.
I
didn't
even
know
my
rental
application
is
in
process,
I
didn't
get
an
email
or
anything
I
would
have
never
known
I
found
out
from
a
friend,
and
it's
insane
to
see
that
rentals
that
are
in
application
in
process
are
going
to
be
paused.
G
I
want
you
to
realize
there
are
people
passionate
about
adding
value
to
this
city
and
keeping
it
alive
and
showing
people
mid-century
modernism
and
the
way
that
Palm
Springs
is
and
the
lifestyle
of
relaxation
and
friends
and
family
and
yeah
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
guys
know
this
is
going
to
affect
people
it's
going
to
affect
me.
It's
not
like
I
just
woke
up
one
morning
and
said
hey.
Let
me
apply
for
a
rental
permit
and
make
all
this
money
from
renters
people
are
passionate
about
their
homes
and
I'm.
G
G
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Brian.
Yaklidge
I
live
in
Warren
Sands
Palm
Springs,
her
previous
comments
about
affecting
people's
lives.
You
know
globally.
We
know
that
loneliness
is
the
largest
problem
in
almost
every
community
in
the
world
when
you
live
on
a
street
and
you
are
surrounded
by
boxes
that
have
nothing
in
them
and
have
no
content
for
your
life
or
for
who
you
are.
There
is
an
emotional
impact
that
is
uncountable
for
our
community,
for
our
well-being,
for
who
we
are,
as
a
people.
G
J
G
Valley,
the
communities
are
saying:
no.
They
realize
that
saying
that
we're
filling
up
our
billets
and
making
lots
of
money
solves
the
problem,
but
they
don't
have
loneliness.
They
don't
have
people
who
are
living
in
misery
like
they
are
in
Palm
Springs,
who
don't
come
forward?
Who
feel
that
there's
this
wall
between
who
you
are
and
what
they
are,
and
the
misery
and
the
loneliness
and
the
constant
impact
environmentally
cars
running
everywhere
smoke
streets
falling
apart,
everything
falling
to
hell,
so
that
is
what
is
happening
in
our
community
I.
C
C
J
C
J
2205.
number:
a
Palm,
Springs
navigation,
Center,
update
item
3A.
This
is
your
notice
to
cease
and
desist
contracts
with
Martha's,
Village
and
kitchen
after
my
being
ignored
by
them
nine
times
in
the
last
year.
This
is
your
notice
to
cease
and
desist
associations
with
well
on
the
desert.
After
my
experiencing
blackmail
and
discrimination
by
them.
J
In
the
last
year,
I
have
experienced
extreme
civil
rights
violations
in
Palm
Springs
and
have
over
the
course
of
the
last
year,
repeatedly
reached
out
to
several
project
team
members
to
provide
feedback
with
20
years
of
personal
experiences,
only
to
repeatedly
be
ignored.
By
most
today,
I
ask
for
a
voice
on
the
resident
advisory
working
group.
I
want
my
critical
life-saving
needs.
Services
addressed
first
over
spiderweb
cotton
candy
wants,
lastly,
number
B,
this
user
notice
to
cease
and
desist
proposal.
G
Some
full-time
residents
we
look
out
for
each
other's
homes.
We
take
packages
and
newspapers
in
we
are
convivial
with
each
other.
We're
friends
we're
neighbors.
When
the
neighbor
across
the
street
sold
her
home
in
2021.
I
was
sad
to
see
her
go
then
I
realized.
My
next
thought
was:
will
this
turn
into
a
short-term
vacation
rental
I
did
not
think
who's
going
to
move
in.
You
know
what
am
I
going
to
share
in
common
with
the
new
neighbors.
When
will
we
get
to
know
each
other
instead
dread.
G
J
Go
to
my
backyard
to
yell
over
the
wall.
Could
you
please
be
quiet?
I
got
really
tired
of
having
the
everyday
wait
on
me
wondering
about
the
possibility
of
an
upcoming,
unknown
client.
Well,
are
they
going
to
be
loud?
Am
I
going
to
lose
sleep?
Are
they
going
to
be
quiet?
Are
they
going
to
be
menacing?
H
Boisterous
visitors
in
our
neighborhood
it's
time
to
instigate
new
regulations.
A
lot
has
changed
since
2018.
When
we
had
our
vote
residents
need
to
be
held
in
regard.
We
should
not
be
the
bottom
lung
of
the
priority
ladder.
Palm
Springs
is
gutting
neighborhoods
from
residents.
Please
vote
to
support
an
immediate
moratorium
on
short-term
vacation
rental
permits.
Please
vote
to
support
a
maximum
cap
on
permits.
G
G
J
F
G
Vote
that
would
have
urgent
and
immediate
impact
on
this
city.
I
applaud
you
for
trying
to
look
at
other
options,
but
we've
got
to
have
more
notice.
We've
got
to
talk
to
this
further
if
this
must
be
continued
to
be
a
priority
for
the
council
at
least
take
the
time
to
do
the
homework
gather
the
data
listen
to
the
public
and
then
make
an
informed
decision.
Thank
you.
G
G
G
Just
sharing
my
experiences
I
have
sorry
I'm
taller,
Palm
Springs
has
a
house
and
condo
population
of
approximately
35
000
units,
short-term
rental
permits
around
2500
units
approximately,
which
is
about
10
percent
to
the
housing
stock
that
are
short-term
rentals,
but
I
found
it
odd
in
being
part
of
the
work
group
that
the
industry
that
profits
from
short-term
rentals
was
so
heavily
represented
on
the
work
group
and
the
general
population
of
Palm
Springs,
very
underrepresented.
A
A
A
Economy
and
understand
the
need
for
that,
both
from
the
image
and
the
economy
of
the
businesses
in
the
city
and
also
the
tax
bases
of
our
cities
and
I,
embrace
that
I
live
in
a
Cena
which
currently
does
not
allow
so
short-term
rentals
and
only
has
rentals
Beyond
30
days.
I
have
friends
who
own
short-term
rentals
friends
who
live
in
short-term
rentals
friends
who
are
adamantly
opposed
to
short-term
rentals
and
people
who
are
in
between
and
I
surveyed,
friends
throughout
the
time
of
being
on
the
work
group.
B
K
Fritz
Cohen,
followed
by
Ashley
Boos
and
Jim
Franklin,
hello,
Council
I
am
Fritz.
Kearney
I
bought
a
house
here
in
2014
and
very
shortly
after
that,
I
put
it
onto
the
market
as
a
vacation
rental.
K
What
I
discovered
was
that,
over
the
course
of
a
few
years,
the
huge
giant
corporate
interests
had
decided
that
they
were
no
longer
interested
in
helping
an
owner
rent
their
home,
but
instead
they
wanted
to
become
verbo
instead
of
vacation
rental
by
owner.
That
happened
with
Airbnb
as
well,
and
the
examples
are
that
I
was
very
restrictive
about
qualifying.
K
People
who
came
in
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
would
not
trash
my
house,
but
they
wouldn't
trash
any
other
house
that
they
would
behave
themselves
appropriately
to
what
at
least
my
standard
of
living
is,
and
the
people
around
me
are
that's
what
I
bought
into
I
bought
into
an
a
at
a
house
that
had
a
Zone
a
zoning
code.
Zoning
codes
were
established
to
be
legal
by
a
decision
in
Euclid
I
think
it's
in
Illinois.
It's
called
the
Euclid
decision.
K
So,
yes,
cities
can
regulate
what
people
do
with
their
private
homes.
You
should
regulate
what
people
do
in
terms
of
vacation,
rentals
and
you're
talking
about
percentages
in
neighborhoods,
first
of
all,
I
think
it's
evident
that
having
a
vacation
rental
next
to
you
is
a
detriment
to
your
living.
In
that
space
you
have
no
idea
who's
coming
over.
You
have
no
idea.
What's
going
to
happen,
as
she
said
before
you,
you
have
to
wonder.
Oh
my
gosh.
K
Is
this
going
to
be
a
giant
party,
or
is
this
going
to
be
something
else
going
on
so
I
think
it's
important
that
you
understand
that
and
if
that's
your
understanding,
then
proximity
should
be
a
decision
basis,
not
just
merely
percentage
in
the
neighborhood.
But
you
do.
You
are
allowing
a
special
use
for
a
single
residential
house.
Usually
that's
handled
and
is
currently
part
of
your
code-
that
that
special.
L
K
One
day
in
the
long
future,
my
dream
actually
I
came
to
Palm
Springs,
as
opposed
to
Other
Desert
Cities,
because
they
allowed
short-term
rentals,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
I
decided
to
buy
it
into
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
with
the
plan
of
Not
only
living
in
the
house,
but
hopefully
one
day.
Turning
that
into
a
short-term
rental
and
I
ended
up
having
to
sell
the
house
due
to
some
neighborhood
drama.
K
Some
people
broke
in
and
whatnot,
but
I
was
I'm
going
to
buy
a
house
and
another
neighborhood
and
turn
that
into
a
short-term
rental
and
my
retirement
house
in
the
future,
which
I
was
very
excited
about.
Unfortunately,
last
week
I
had
to
pull
out
of
buying
the
house
that
I
was
in
escrow
for
because
they
announced
that
they
may
not
be
granting
short-term
rental
permits
and
I
had
no
way
of
paying
for
it.
Although.
L
L
Have
the
money
and
don't
have
to
rent
out
their
house
in
order
to
pay
for
their
vacation
houses
are
still
able
to
do
that
and
leave
them
empty
the
rest
of
the
year
and
so
I.
Ask
that
you
do
not
ban
business
and
take
away
people's
dreams,
but
you
instead
build
more
housing
that
would
allow
the
housing
prices
to
come
down
for
everybody.
Thank
you.
L
City
staff
and,
most
importantly,
the
people
who
are
the
city,
are
here
today,
I
want
to
talk
about
two
things.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
that
my
name
is
Jim,
Franklin
and
I'm
here
to
representing
the
greater
Palm
Springs
Association
of
Realtors.
The
first
thing
is
3C
and
that's
rent
control.
K
And
we
all
know,
rent
control
doesn't
work.
The
state
has
put
that
in
we
have
the
ls
act.
We
have
Conshohocken,
we
have
all
these
things
going
and
I
know
you're
going
to
tweak
it
a
little
bit.
I
would
just
ask
that
you
Sunset
it
when
the
state
sunsets
it,
which
I
think
is
20
30..
Second
of
all,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
vacation,
rental
I.
Think
we've
come
to
an
agreement
here.
I
think
you
guys
are
on
the
right
track
with
this.
It's
something
that
works.
K
So
why
would
you
want
to
fix
something?
That's
already
working
and
I
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say
about
it.
Everybody
else
has
said
all
this.
So
I'll
just
end
with
this
that
you
know,
we've
talked
about
this
e
can't
enforce
this,
and
you
know,
if
you
say
so,
and
so
can
have
a
vacation
rental
like
my
neighbor,
then
I
can't
have
one
I'm
going
to
do
it
anyhow
and
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
stop
me
or
or
find
it.
K
Rancho
Mirage
has
banned
them,
they're
still
doing
it
in
Rancho
Mirage,
it's
a
very
difficult
thing.
So
my
advice
is:
go
with
the
flow,
keep
things
going
and
I
understand
how
you
can
take
a
neighborhood
and
say
well,
we'll
have
15
percent
20
percent.
It's
not
going
to
work!
We're
Americans
if
you
prohibit
us
from
doing
something
by
God,
we'll
find
a
way
around
it.
Thank
you.
L
Hello,
my
name
is
Dr
Walter,
Williams
I,
very
much
appreciate
all
the
members
of
the
council
having
to
listen
to
all
of
these
different
attitudes
and
perspectives
and
I
know
it
must
be
difficult
making
decisions
on
that
basis,
let
me
give
you
my
perspective.
I
started
coming
out
to
Palm
Springs
in
the
1980s
loved
it
very
much
bought
my
house
here
in
1995
invited
my
parents
out
to
visit.
They
loved
it,
and
so
I
said.
Okay,
this
will
be
your
retirement
home
and
they
live
there.
My
father
passed
away
in
1997.
B
K
My
mom
remarried
and
I
took
care
of
both
both
of
them,
my
stepfather
and
her
for
the
last
several
years,
and
he
he
died
in
19
I
mean
in
in
2019,
and
my
mother
just
passed
away.
This
July
at
the
age
of
95
and
so
I
was
very
glad
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
my
three
parents
and
I
consider
myself
very
fortunate
to
live
in
Palm,
Springs
I.
K
During
this
time
there
has
been
short-term
rentals
behind
my
house,
and
next
door
and
I
can
say:
I've
never
once
had
a
problem
with
excessive
noise.
Sometimes
you
hear
music
is
very
pleasant
to
me.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it,
and
so
I
think
that,
just
because
somebody
does
have
short-term
rentals
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
or
a
complaint.
They've
been
very
considerate.
K
I
think
that
some
of
the
points
that
have
been
brought
up
tonight,
like
noise
factors,
can
be
addressed
more
effectively
by
dealing
with
that
issue
itself
and
okay
and.
F
K
Greetings.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say,
I
am
a
realtor
here
in
Palm
Springs
and,
of
course
my
position
is
I'm
for
vacation
rentals.
All
homeowners
only
have
to
look
at
what
the
value
of
their
property
is
to
see
what
investment
is
done
in
this
community
and
to
give,
and
a
great
example
of
that
is
to
look
at
demuth
Park
and
how
that's
been
changed
in
the
last
two
or
three
years
due
to
investor
coming
into
the
marketplace.
K
F
K
And
so
my
sellers
are
frustrated.
The
purpose
of
the
sale
is
to
go
to
someone
who
wants
to
Vacation
rent
it.
So,
of
course
all
this
needs
to
be
addressed.
The
buyer
would
like
to
know.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
get
it
grandfathered
in
under
the
old
rules
or
where
is
it
going
to
stand
so
when
you're?
Considering
what
you
need
to
consider?
There
are
a
few
of
us
out
here
that
have
homes
that
are
under
contract
right
now
that
this
is
in
effect
and
as
I
said,
we
were
supposed
to
close.
F
B
Corrine
Griswold
I'm,
a
retired
teacher
I've
taught
37
years
in
Palm,
Springs,
unified
and
I've
lived
in
the
Gene
Autry
neighborhood.
Since
1977.
I've
seen
my
neighborhood
go.
B
F
A
friend
who's,
a
teacher
who's
renting,
saw
her
house
rental
go
from
3
000
a
month.
Up
to
six
thousand
I
have
applaud
any
kind
of
restrictions
on
short-term
rentals,
I.
K
K
I
my
wife
and
I
have
been
coming
to
Palm
Springs
for
almost
over
a
decade.
Now
we
purchased
our
house
in
Racquet
Club
Estates
in
2019.
It's
our
eventual
forever
home,
it's
where
we
want
to
retire,
but
we
use
short-term
rentals.
We
come
four
times
a
year.
I
was
happy
to
come
during,
so
I
could
speak
here,
but
we
we
come
four
times
a
year
and
we
use
professional
Palm
Springs
Real
Estate
Management
Company.
We
have
never
had
a
complaint.
K
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
was
late
for
this
meeting,
because
I
was
talking
to
one
of
my
neighbors
on
the
street.
I
have
reached
out
to
every
neighbor
that
is
adjacent
to
me
behind
me
in
front
of
me
beside
me.
Granted
we
have
a
couple
of
rental
properties,
short-term
rental
properties,
in
addition
to
ours,
but
those
people
know
me
and
we
have
never
had
an
issue
we
they
know
that,
if
there
is
ever
is
an
issue
we
would
like
to
hear
about
it
immediately.
They
have
our
contact
information
in
Illinois.
F
Wife,
retires
Live,
Here,
full
time
or
at
least
live
here
during
the
winter,
but
the
fact
remains
that
short-term
rentals
are
not
necessarily
people
that
are
coming
in
to
make
some
money
and
flip
a
property.
Some
of
us.
This
is
a
means
to
an
end,
so
we
can
live
here
and
enjoy
this
community.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Hi,
can
you
all
hear
me
all
right?
Yes,
we
can.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
members
for
hosting
today's
meeting.
I
am
an
operator
here
in
Palm
Springs
I'd
really
like
to
urge
the
council
to
select
today
the
October
17th
date,
rather
than
back
dates
to
pause,
permit
applications.
Should
a
moratorium
be
passed
now
as
an
operator
myself,
I
work
very,
very.
E
The
city
does
have
a
robust
permanent
approval
and
enforcement
process
in
place
to
prevent
Bad
actors
from
operating,
and
the
individuals
who
have
currently
been
patiently
waiting
for
their
permits
to
be
granted
should
not
be
reprimanded
when,
following
the
lawful
process
further,
the
moratorium
has
only
been
recently
announced
now
that
the
mayor
has
provided
a
number
of
other
Provisions
prior
to
public
comment,
but
we
recommend
that
public
input
data
input
from
the
working
group
that
has
dedicated
their
work
to
this
very
cause.
E
A
I'm
here
sorry
thank
you
for
letting
me.
J
Give
public
comment
today,
I'm
here
to
discuss
item
3D,
I
work
for
a
property
management
company
in
Palm
Springs.
Firstly,
I'd
like
to
speak
to
the
proposed
moratorium.
I
strongly
believe
councilor
should
select
October
17th
the
date
of
this
agenda
item
to
files.
Permit
applications
I
understand
the
need
for
the
45-day
urgency
moratorium,
but
I,
don't
believe,
should
be
punishing
responsible
owners
and
operators.
Who've
complied
with
the
rules
and
applied
for
a
permit
before
this
moratorium
was
discussed,
choosing
any
other
date
in
the
17th
to
bid
again.
I
A
A
M
M
Allowing
those
who
are
in
the
midst
of
these
plans
or
under
contract
to
sell
should
be
able
to
move
forward
with
their
plans
without
changes
to
the
current
ordinance.
We
voted
to
maintain
short-term
rentals
as
written
now
I'm
against
the
proposed
limitations
placed
on
the
number
of
rentals
per
year,
nor
any
neighborhood
caps.
Neighborhood
limitations
would
be
extremely
difficult
to
manage.
M
Current
safeguards,
ensure
neighborhoods,
are
quiet
and
peaceful
with
the
current
restrictions
in
place
for
strs
buyers
have
made
recent
investments
in
the
market,
such
as
me.
The
community
already
voted
to
HUB
Hall's
strs.
The
study
group
results
have
not
even
been
digested
yet
and
finally,
the
city
benefits
tremendously
in
all
areas
of
Revenue,
tot
retail
sales
and
restaurants.
M
M
M
I'd
also
like
to
address
that
I
did
not
buy
that
home
until
the
residents
had
voted
in
2018
to
pass
short-term
rentals.
It
was
a
very
key
component
because
I
wanted
the
choice
at
some
point
in
time
to
be
able
to
rent
that
property
if
I
chose
to
since
then
I've
gone
on,
to
invest
my
own
hard-earned
money
as
a
loan
officer
and
a
realtor
into
this
city
to
the
tune
of
over
eight
million
dollars.
Some
of
that
in
a
lot
of
it
currently
in
construction.
M
That's
called
the
race
to
the
bottom,
okay,
when
people
list
and
many
people
lists
they
tend
to
race
to
the
bottom.
That's
just
what
happens
with
loan
values
and
that's
a
fact.
That's
not
a
debate.
Tonight.
I've
listened
to
a
lot
of
emotions
from
different
sides.
Most
of
the
emotion
from
the
homeowners
I'd
like
to
ask
the
homeowners
that,
if
your
life
is,
is
if
you
have
habit
placed
on
your
life,
do
you
call
the
hotline
and
then
I'd
like
to
see
some
data
saying
what
happens
like?
M
M
This
just
seems
like
a
few
bad
Karen's
are
continuing
to
call
in
and
create
problems
for
a
city
that
is
very
well
run
very
well
managed
and
the
investment
in
that
people
have
placed
into
the
city.
It
doesn't
seem
to
play
a
factor:
I
mean
10,
5,
20
25.
These
are
all
just
imaginary
numbers,
but
I
can't
tell
you
as
a
realtor
as
an
investor
as
a
as
the
person
who
is
an
expert
in
the
data,
there
will
be
a
race
to
the
bottom.
M
M
Good
evening
this
is
Bruce
Hogan
a
resident
and
actively
involved
in
many
things
in
our
wonderful
City.
First
I'd,
like
five
years
after
we
passed
the
ordinance
we
are
sitting
here
tonight
because
protect
our
neighborhoods
in
anti-vr
group,
chose
to
sue
the
city.
The
day
after
we
passed
the
2017
ordinance
that
lawsuit
was
won
by
the
city
but
cost
the
city
513
thousand
dollars
that
lawsuit
also
delayed
evolving
our
ordinance
year
by
year,
because
it
was
felt
any
changes
could
jeopardize
the
lawsuit.
M
L
Is
31
of
our
residences
based
on
the
U.S
census?
Now,
let's
drill
down
a
little
lower,
every
block
and
I
repeat:
every
block
is
probably
different
in
this
city,
believe
it
to
Beaver
homogeneous
neighborhoods
disappeared
decades
ago,
for
example,
why
not
create
a
90-day
residency
requirements
for
all
the
people
who
have
second
homes?
L
L
Hi,
my
name
is
Francine
McDougall
I've
been
a
part-time
resident
of
the
Sun
Moon
neighborhood
for
11
years
I.
Also
vacation
rent,
my
property
I
like
to
think
that
I
can
see
both
sides
of
our
vacation
rental
issues
and
to
that
end,
I
support
a
vacation
rental
permit
cap,
although
I
do
hope
that
if
you
go
that
route
that
it
happens
by
the
beginning
of
next
year,
so
that
people
so
many
people
have
spoken
tonight
about
being
caught
in
the
middle
of
this
and
I
really
feel
for
them
all.
L
My
neighbors
are
full-time
residents
that
I
have
great
relationships
with.
We
walk
our
dogs
together
in
Ruth,
Hardy
Park,
and
we
look
out
for
each
other
in
general.
One
of
my
neighbors
is
currently
in
Hospice
Care
at
home
last
week,
I
learned
that
Edison
will
be
cutting
our
power
next
week
for
eight
hours
during
the
day,
I've
arranged
for
my
neighbor
to
go
to
a
fellow
vacation
rental,
vacation
rental
owners
property.
L
A
E
Work
group
didn't
ask
for
this
and
I've
not
heard
anyone
in
the
press
or
on
nextdoor.com
or
even
in
the
public
comments
section
tonight
ask
for
Less
contracts.
I
would
hope
that
if
the
city
council
decides
to
go
this
route,
you
would
complete
a
financial
impact
study
not
just
on
Tot,
but
also
on
an
entire
business
Community.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
E
Thank
you,
everyone.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
I
purchased,
my
property
in
2020,
July,
13,
and
it
took
about
six
months
or
so
to
get
permits.
We
bought
this
property
to
do
short-term
rentals.
We
cleaned
up
the
house.
It
was
a
really
bad
house
we're
at
the
tail
end
of
finishing.
That's
two
years
later,
over
800
000
spent
I
literally
put
my
life
savings
into
this
property.
E
It
was
one
of
my
dreams
to
buy
a
mid-century
home,
and
now
that
seems
like
that
dream
is
going
to
crash
I'm
asking
you
I'm
begging,
you
guys
not
to
do
this.
It's
gonna
not
only
hurt
me,
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
like
me.
That
saw
me
purchasing
properties.
They
went
and
bought
properties
there's
at
least
15
people
that
I
know
that
did
the
same
thing.
A
So
please
I
hope
you
guys
don't
pass
anything
crazy
and
the
people
that
are
complaining
about
this.
This
short-term.
F
M
Eliminated
there
is
no
noise
and
if
they
are
making
noise,
you
know
they're
gonna
get
hit
on
their
license
so
and
if
this,
if
we
had
it
backwards,
if
those
people
are
upset
own
short-term,
rentals,
I,
don't
think
they'd
be
complaining
right
now.
So.
M
You
guys
this
is
going
to
affect
my
family.
If
this
really
does
pass,
the
last
speaker
is
Ali
mohafi.
M
Madam
clerk
Ali
Mojave
is
not
in
the
room.
Okay,
that's
our
last
speaker,
adelpha
adolfa,.
F
F
M
F
F
Just
a
moment,
all
right
I'll
bring
it
up
to
you,
so
I
don't
broadcast
it
to
the
world.
One
moment.
H
L
Rental
house,
as
well
as
lived
in
it
for
that
a
lot
a
length
of
time.
I
was
one
of
the
original
people
who
started
to
revitalize
Palm
Springs
back
in
1997,
when
property
prices
were
extremely
low
and
the
houses
were
in
need
of
rehabbing
I
find
that
the
neighborhoods
are
more
revitalized,
as
people
have
taken
second
homes
and
used
them
for
themselves,
as
as
all
in
addition
to
using
them
as
vacation
rentals
and
allowing
more
to
more
applications
and
permits
to
come
into
the
system.
L
Just
creates
more
notoriety
of
Palm
Springs
and
familiarity
with
the
area.
I've
spoken
to
many
of
a
renter
who
enjoyed
the
city
and
bring
not
only
their
dollars,
of
course,
but.
F
J
Greetings
Council
and
mayor
mayor.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
please
begin
okay
regarding
item
3D,
the
city
voted
years
ago
to
keep
strs
at,
and
the
vote
was
70
to
30
percent
in
the
last
city
council
meeting
on
September,
29th
I
believe
it
was
council
person,
Dennis
Woods,
who
stated
that
announcing
that
there
would
be
a
limitation
of
the
number
of
permits
available.
Would
then
enact
a
gold
rush
of
people
acquiring
the
permits
and
it
seems
like
that's
what
has
happened.
J
Some
are
acquiring
them
just
in
case
they
ever
want
to
be
able
to
rent
their
place
in
the
future.
So
here
we
are
putting
a
moratorium
on
this
before
you
all
have
figured
out
if
you're
going
to
do
10,
15,
10
or
20
percent.
J
If
it's
going
to
be
by
neighborhood
organization-
and
we
know
that
some
of
those
don't
cover
all
the
housing
in
Palm
Springs
or
by
total
number
of
houses
in
the
city,
then
I'd
assume
no
one's
mentioned
this-
that
the
number
would
increase
as
there
are
new
build
units
that
are
finished
in
the
in
the
city,
I'd
like
to
know
about
that.
J
So
maybe,
instead
of
a
moratorium,
we
should
figure
out
what
we
want.
The
bottom
line
to
be
here.
It
was
stated
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
permits
that
had
been
turned
in
would
be
processed,
and
now
that
has
been
called
into
question
by
the
city
website
and
that's
really
not
fair.
A
few
other
people
have
spoken
to
that
earlier
this
evening.
J
If
the
15
to
20
comes
to
fruition,
the
most
important
thing
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
is
there
needs
to
be
a
real-time
map
of
neighborhood
percentages
so
that
the
real
estate
agents
in
town
and
the
buyers
that
want
to
come
be
part
of
this
city
can
understand
whether
they
can
VR
the
house
they're
buying
or
not.
J
It's
only
fair
to
be
able
to
provide
up-to-date
information
on
this
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
office
of
special
programs
compliance
has
taken
that
into
consideration
and
thought
about
the
additional
workload
that
that
will
create
as
we
go
from
pandemic
into
recession.
I
hope,
you'll
all
consider
the
financial
repercussions
of
these
decisions.
J
I
do
like
the
junior
permit
idea
that
was
stated
earlier
by
the
mayor
and
council
member
Coors
I
do
think
that
24
instead
of
36
contracts
a
year,
will
not
magically
make
the
few
problem
rentals
get
better.
So
I
think
that
changing
the
contract
structure
is
a
moot
point
at
best.
Yeah.
Thanks
for
letting
me
talk,
I
hope
you
make
the
right
decisions
cheers.
Thank
you.
J
Ali,
hello,
hello,
you
have
two
minutes.
Please
begin
okay,
I'm
currently
regarding
the
permits,
short-term
rentals,
it's
like
as
I
see
it
really
is.
Gonna
affect
the
real
estate
market,
especially
in
Palm
Spring,
and
it's
gonna
expect
like
most
of
the
tourists,
because
I
see
like
there's
not
a
lot
of
people.
Who's
gonna
go
there's
just
things
of
tales
because
most
of
the
families
they
just
like
to
go,
stay
like
in
houses
and,
like
you
know,
big
houses
and
all
of
that
so
yeah.
That's
all
nothing
guys.
J
To
be
honest
to
say,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
That
ends
are
public
comments
right.
Thank
you
and
I
would
like
to
thank
everyone
for
the
respect
shown
to
everyone
else.
Next
item
is
the
consent.
Calendar
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
the
consent
calendar
without
the
following
items
which
were
removed
for
separate
discussion.
One
f
is
in
Frank
one
I,
as
in
Ivan.
One
J
is
in
January.
J
J
You
have
a
motion,
wait
a
second
all
right,
Madam
clerk.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
vote
electronically
or
do
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call
we'll
do
we'll
we'll
go
through?
Okay?
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
member
host,
I'm,
sorry,
council
member
course.
Yes,
mayor,
Pro,
Tim
Garner,
yes,
council,
member
hostage,
yes,
councilmember
Woods,
yes,
mayor,
Middleton,
aye,
five
eyes
and
zero
knows.
J
Thank
you.
One
F
was
pulled
I
Believe
by
council
member
holstich.
J
J
J
M
M
J
F
Facilities
and
I'm
sorry
I,
don't
have
with
me
where
their
location,
where
their
companies
are
located.
I
know
that
Verde
is
in
Arizona
I.
Believe.
M
Thank
you
and
I
just
noted
that
they're
based
in
Arizona
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
there
were
local
companies
that
applied
for
submitted
proposals
and
if
there's
local
higher
requirements,
I
see
that
the
staff
report
States
that
the
16
staff
members
will
made
up
of
primarily
local
residents
and
Associates
wondering
if
we
had
details
about
the
local
hire
and
proportion
of
local
employees.
Yes,
so
the
incumbent
R
R
Janitorial,
is
local
from
what
I
understand
and.
F
M
That's
usually
what
happens,
is
the
staff
comes
over
from
one
firm
to
another?
If
they
wish
I
mean
they
may
want
to
stay
with
their
existing
firm?
That's
certainly
their
prerogative
to
do
so,
but
it
is
a
requirement
in
California
that
they
offer
those
jobs
to
those
existing
staff.
So
those
staff
don't
lose
employment.
A
And
so,
in
this
case,
from
what
I
understand
the
the
new
firm
coming
in
has
offered
jobs
in
16
of
those
positions
or
the
16
positions.
They're
filling
are
locals
things
and
do
we
have
information
about
their
pay?
I
went
through
every
page
of
this.
A
proposed
contract
and
I
can
find
details
about
a
minimum
wage
or
any
other
information
about
paying
benefits.
A
So
we
don't
get.
We
don't
have
their
pay
information.
We
pay
for
janitorial
services
on
a
monthly
basis
by
area
that
they
clean,
so
they're
not
really
required
to
give
us
the
actual
pay
rates
for
the
employees,
but
they
do
have
to
comply
with
all
of
the
law,
laws
and
regulations
on
minimum
wage
and
so
forth
to
their
employees.
A
So.
Based
on
the
information
that
we
have
do,
we
believe
the
employees
are
playing
being
paid
minimum
wage
or
something
higher
than
that.
Do
we
have
any
information
about
what
they
might
be
getting
paid
considering?
We
know
how
many
employees
there
are
and
what
the
costs
of
the
contract
are.
We
do
not.
We
just
do
not
have
that
information.
It
was
not.
You
know
submitted,
as
it
was
not
a
requirement
of
the
proposal
for
them
to
submit
the
actual
wages
of
their
employees.
A
L
Know
that
we've
had
to
do
that
to
keep
up
with
the
need
and
the
demand
and
just
Staffing
a
city
of
this
size
with
this
level
of
Tourism,
but
concerning
to
see
business
that
goes
to
a
local
company
being
go
going
to
an
out
of
state
company
and
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
pay
that
we're
offering
people.
We
had
found
out
that
we
contracted
for
airport
services,
for
example,
and
some
of
those
employees
who
are
getting
paid
minimum
wage
which
just
isn't
enough
to
live
and
work
in
Palm
Springs.
I
F
Contract
and
I
know
we
went
through
a
fair
and
just
process
as
required.
A
A
M
Doing
this
I've
never
seen
our
local
preference
come
into
play,
at
least
in
my
vantage
point
here
on
the
dice.
So
would
love
more
information
about
that
and
looking
forward.
I
We
have
a
local
company
come
before
us,
they're
not
chosen,
and
so
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
local
preference
is,
is
doing
much.
So
this
is
a
long-standing
problem,
and
it
would
it's
something
that
I
would
certainly
like
to
see
addressed.
I
understand
that
there
are
certain
requirements
in
how
we
accept
bids
and
having
to
take
the
lower,
but.
A
A
Council,
member
Woods,
thank
you,
our
two
things
can
I.
Can
you
look
at
page
six
of
the
and
you
look
under
5.6
and
it's
called
California
labor
code
requirements
and
I
want
to
thank
council
member
Hostess
for
bringing
it
up.
We
brought
it
up
in
other
contracts,
so
it's
not
a
new
thing,
but
it
says
which
required
the
payment
prevailing
wage
rates
and
the
performance
of
other
requirements
for
certain
Public
Works
and
maintenance
projects.
How.
L
M
Are
being
paid
prevailing
wages
or
that
the
staff
is,
you
know
the
actual
person
working.
L
So
we
went
back
and
forth
my
staff
member
who
actually
did
the
solicitation
and
trying
to
understand
whether
we
were
even
supposed
to
record
it
with
a
DOL
or
not,
and
we
did
find
a
requirement
that
we
have
to
record
it
now
how
much
they
actually
enforce
it
or
monitor.
It
were
not
certain
because
it
is
kind
of
a
gray
area,
but
it
does.
It
is
listed
as
a
prevailing
wage,
so
can
I
make
the
Assumption
then
that
the
firm
should
be
paying.
L
L
The
other
thing
that's
come
up
with
other
contracts
that
you
might
not
be
aware
of
is
when
we
had
out-of-state
contracts
that
came
in
I
think
we
were
buying
some
shade
structures
at
that
time,
for
our
playgrounds
was
making
sure
that
you
know
states
have
different
laws
and
they
and
we
were
about
protecting
lesbian,
gay,
bisexual,
transgender,
all
of
that
and
providing
health
care
for
any
of
their
workers.
Regardless
of
that,
has
that
been
checked
with
this
firm
I?
Don't
believe
that
it
has.
L
So
if
I
were
to
approve
this
tonight,
it
would
be
based
on
that
check
that,
if
I
would
hope
they
provide
health
care,
that's
part
of
prevailing
wage
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
Department
of
Labor
says,
but
I
would
only
approve
it
if
we
actually
verified
that
aspect
of
this
company
and
if
we
have
not
verified
that,
then
maybe
go
back
and
re-look
at
the
other
people
that
have
applied.
That
would
be
my
recommendation.
Thank
you
other
comments.
L
Oh
I
was
just
verifying
with
the
city
attorney
whether
or
not
we
can
verify
that
information
and
I
think
this
had
previously
come
up
as
a
discussion
point
and
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
any
bearing
on
that
previous
discussions
right.
My
understanding
the
way
are
equal
benefits,
law
Works,
which
I
think
I
know,
is
that
people
have
to
certify
that
they
provide
equal
benefits
based
on
a
whole
host
of
factors,
really
anything
covered
by
our
non-discrimination,
ordinance.
A
B
H
A
J
Up
and
caught
which
I
appreciate
because
I
missed
it
was
when
we're
we
are
Contracting
with
out-of-state.
J
Providing
transgender
health
care
that
they
are
not
complying
with
our
equal
benefits
ordinance
if
their
employees
do
not
have
access
to
that
who
do
any
work
related
to
a
city
contract,
and
so,
if
they're,
building,
shade
structures,
for
example
in
Texas,
there's
no
way
they
can
be
in
compliance,
even
if
they
say
they
are
and
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
those
were
checked.
So
I
don't
know
if
somebody
has
to
come
back
to
us
on
that
or
if
we're
already
doing
it.
J
But
given
given
the
way
parts
of
the
country
are
going
I
think
we
have
to
do
more
than
self-compliance
in
those
cases.
J
And
how
does
the
city
manager
indicated
because
most
of
the
services
are
going
to
be
provided
here
in
state,
as
opposed
to
the
shade
structure
issue
with
with
the
Texas
company
I
think
the
certification
should
suffice
for
this.
If
the
council
would
still
like
us
to
reach
out
to
them,
I'm
sure
we
can
do
that
council
member
hostage.
J
Thank
you
just
to
follow
up.
Thank
you
mayor.
That's
why
my
question
was
about
where
the
workers
will
be
based,
because
the
staff
report
on
page
two
says
their
day.
Facility
Services
LLC
will
employ
approximately
16
staff
members
made
up
of
primarily
local
residents
to
clean
the
city's
facilities.
J
So
we
don't
actually,
unless
there's
other
data,
that
I
didn't
find
I'm
scouring
through
all
these
Pages
here
I,
don't
know
how
many
will
be
based
here
and
how
many
might
be
based
in
Arizona,
where
not
only
could
they
not
access
trans-inclusive
health
care,
but
even
maybe
abortion
access
or
basic
health
care
at
all
and
so
I'm
concerned
about
using
City
and
California
taxpayer
dollars
to
invest
in
an
Arizona
company
when
we
have
local
companies
that
are
able
and
willing
to
provide
those
services
and
use
local
workers.
J
So
I
know
we
have
to
follow
the
fair
process
here
and
consider
are
all
of
the
requests
and
the
excuse
me
proposals,
and
just
can
you
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
catch
this?
Could
you
clarify?
Did
the
existing
contractor
submit
a
proposal?
Yes,
the
existing
contractor
did
submit
a
proposal,
but
there
had
been
a
number
of
performance
issues
with
that
contractor
that
had
not
been
corrected,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
were
scored.
The
way
they
were
is
because
well
our.
J
M
Same-Sex
couples
couldn't
get
married
weren't
getting
any
benefits
in
employment
while
married
couples
were,
but
it's
broadened
to
include
transgender
health
coverage
and
our
ordinance
and
I
don't
know.
If
there's
another.
F
This
through
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward,
and
thank
you
for
raising
this
point.
Council,
member
and
council
member
suggests
that
we
bring
this
back
at
the
next
meeting
when
we
have
certification
that
they
follow
our
equal
benefits
law
and
that
all
the
if
all
the
employees
work
in
California
that
will
be
sufficient.
F
If
they
have
employees
working
Arizona,
then
we
really
are
going
to
need
to
look
at
that,
and
we
probably
should
bring
back
a
discussion
item
of
how
we
want
to
do
this,
which
I
think
is.
We
talked
about
quite
some
time
ago,
but
I
think
we're
just
given
the
unfortunate
situation
that
we're
seeing
in
several
States
and
the
targeting
of
people
and
minorities.
F
We
know
a
California
company
with
all
the
workers
here,
we're
not
going
to
have
this
issue
and
there
are
other
benefits
to
local
hire
as
well.
So
I
would
suggest
we
I
would
move
that
we
table
this
item
until
such
time.
We
have
that
information
and
then
we
can
talk
in
future
agenda
development
if
we
want
to
use
the
city
manager
and
City
attorney
a
little
time
to
think
about
whether
we
need
a
meeting
to
discuss
that
or
not.
F
B
27
regarding
this,
but
what
prevailing
wage
is
a
very
good
set
of
laws
when
we're
dealing
in
the
construction
industry
and
some
of
the
other
Industries,
where
prevailing
wages
tend
to
equate
to
living
wages.
But
when
we're
talking
about
gardeners.
B
A
So
if
I
can,
if
I
don't
get
just
one
final
thing-
and
maybe
this
is
for
the
City
attorney-
is
as
we
as
you
research,
it
I
know
there
according
to
the
contract
before
us,
they're
independent
contractors,
so
they're,
not
an
employee
of
the
city
and
I,
you
know
so,
but
do
we
have
a
right
I
guess
if
the
Department
of
Labor
has
a
right
to
know
what
they're
paying
their
workers
and
to
know
if
they're
giving
benefits?
A
Do
we
have
the
right
to
ask
that
question
and
if
we
do
have
that
right,
I
would
say
we
should
ask
for
it
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
it
is
a
living
wage.
As
the
mayor
has
said,
rather
than
not,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
law
is,
would
they've
been
a
contractor?
The
city
council
could
establish
that
as
a
policy.
Yes,
thank
you.
So
we
have
a
motion
to
defer
until
our
next
meeting
action
on
this
item.
Is
there
a
second
second,
okay.
A
A
A
Thank
you
councilman.
This
is
a
request
from
the
public
Arts
commission
to
clean
and
relocate
the
three
sculptures,
that's
known
as
the
squiggles
Butch,
ethyl
and
squeeze
by
The,
Clement
artist,
and
the
proposal
is
to
move
them
to
in
islet
into
mooth
park
and
the
the
cost
is
75
000
for
the
re
estimated
to
be
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
for
that
relocation.
And
so
again
it's
you
know.
A
The
public
artificial
has
been
very
active
in
this
regard
and
is
hoping
to
get
these
three
pieces
together
in
one
site,
so
they
can
be
displayed
as
a
family
thanks,
Jay
I
think.
The
idea
I
think
that
the
Arts
commission's
been
working
on
ever
since
I've
been
on
Council
is
to
have
art
everywhere
in
the
city,
not
just
condensed
in
one
place
and
and
I
applaud
that
I
actually
applaud
that
I
I'm,
just
wondering
you
know
those
squiggles.
Some
people
love
them.
A
A
Well
so
there's
three
separate
locations
right
now.
One
is
private
property
and
two
are
on
public
property.
The
one
on
the
private
property
by
the
Regal
Theater.
The
city
has
a
30-day
option
to
remove
those
well
City
can
remove
the
art
piece
with
a
30-day
notice
in
that
case
and
Arts
commission
intention
is.
L
To
discuss
with
them
what
they'd
like
to
see,
if
anything,
to
replace
that
artwork
there,
the
art
commission
does
have
plans
and
ideas
on
items
to
replace
in
the
other
locations
in
in
by
Francis
Stevens,
Park
and
Ernest
Coffey
to
see
if
they're
they're,
actually
they've
queued
up
quite
a
few
items
for
discussion
in
the
next.
They
have
reviewed
them
and
have
queued
up
discussions
on
coming
public
Arts
commission
meetings
to
purchase
some
of
the
temporary
art
that
was
on
display
here
in
the
city,
such
as
popsicles
and.
L
May
also
pursue
new
art
pieces
for
for
these
sites
also.
A
L
The
other
concern
I
have
is
that
I
think
the
justification
letter
they
wrote
was
that
the
elements
were
hurting
the
art
or
harming
the
art
or
did
but
they're
moving
it
to
a
grass
area
with
sprinklers
and
I
know
our
other
art.
That's
in
Grass
areas
is,
it
will
be
worse
than
where
they're
currently
at
so
I
would
suggest.
If
we
approve
this
tonight
that
either
we
Zero
Escape
the
area
around
those
squiggles.
J
F
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
So,
if
I
want
I
can
make
a
motion
I
make
it
easy.
I
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
it,
based
upon
the
fact
that
the
Arts
commission
will
actively
look
at
a
replacement
Arc
on
the
public
spaces,
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
private
spaces,
we
have
very
little
control
on
the
public
spaces
and
that
we
DG
or
xeroscape,
or
do
something
where
they're
being
placed
in
dubuth
Park.
Thank
you,
I'll
see
if
there's
a
second
is.
A
Ask
staff
not
to
explore
all.
B
H
Most
effective,
except
that
is
a
friendly
amount.
It's
a
friendly
Amendment.
Yes,
thank
you
all
right,
roll
call,
please,
council,
member,
of
course.
Yes
councilmember.
H
So
the
next
item
for
our
agenda,
since
we
have
moved
forward
discussion
or
excuse
me,
can
we
take
maybe
five
minutes,
because
my
guess
is
this:
discussion
is
going
to
go
past.
Eight
o'clock,
I
I,
think
that
may
be
very
wise.
Thank
you
for
all
of
our
benefits.
A
And
as
said
earlier,
we're
moving
forward
item
3D,
once
we've
finished
with
that
we
will
return
to
the
public
hearings
and
stay
on
order,
hopefully,
for
the
balance
of
the
meeting
item.
3D
is
consideration
of
for
approval
of
an
interim
ordinance,
establishing
a
temporary
moratorium
on
the
issue
of
vacation
rental
permits
within
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
and
to
provide
Direction
regarding
potential
revisions
to
the
city
of
Palm,
Springs
vacation
rental
ordinance.
May
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please?
A
Yes,
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
members
of
the
public.
This
agenda
item,
as
you
just
mentioned,
provides
the
city
council
with
an
opportunity
to
consider
establishing
a
temporary
pause
on
the
issuance
of
additional
vacation
rental
permits,
pending
the
city
study
and
evaluation
of
possible
additional
vacation
rental
regulations.
In
addition,
as
you
mentioned,
this
agenda
item
also
provides
the
city
council
with
the
opportunity
to
provide
direction
to
City
staff
and
the
City
attorney
as
to
what
additional
regulations,
if
any,
might
be
appropriate.
A
As
the
city
council
is
aware,
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
zoning
code
allows
with
regulation
vacation
rentals
within
residential
zoning
districts,
subject
to
the
requirements
of
the
Palm
Springs
Municipal
Code
chapter
5.25.
That
chapter
includes
a
requirement
for
a
vacation
rental
permit,
as
well
as
significant
operational
requirements,
standards
and
a
rigorous
vacation
rental
enforcement
program.
A
A
The
city
council
under
state
law
is
authorized
to
adopt
an
urgency
measure
in
order
to
prohibit
any
uses
that
might
be
in
conflict
with
a
contemplated
zoning
proposal
that
the
city
council
is
considering
or
studying
or
intends
to
study.
And
that
is
the
item.
That's
before
you
at
least
part
of
the
item.
That's
before
you
tonight,
the
proposed
ordinance
would
require
a
four-fifths
vote
of
the
city
council
and
because
we
have
one
council,
member
who
is
not
participating.
That
would
be
a
unanimous
vote
of
the
four
members
who
are
remaining.
A
The
temporary
pause
would
last
for
only
45
days
unless
it
were
extended
by
the
city
council
by
a
subsequent
vote,
and
so
this
pause
would
really
be,
in
effect
until
December,
1st
2022
and
in
order
to
extend
it
to
require
additional
vote
for
another
10
months.
If,
if
authorized,
the
ordinances
moratorium
does
not
apply
to
those
properties
that
have
already
been
issued,
a
vacation
rental
permit
and
it's
not
proposed
to
apply
to
the
home
share
permits
which
have
not
been
the
subject
really
of
the
discussion
of
the
working
group
for
vacation
rentals.
A
However,
as
you
heard
during
some
of
the
public
comment,
one
of
the
issues
that
should
be
addressed
by
the
city
council
is
when
the
time
period
is
after
which
the
the
permit
would
not
be
permits
had
been
issued,
and
so
some
of
the
dates
include
September
22nd,
that's
the
date
that
the
September
29th
Council
agenda
was
posted.
Another
date.
Might
be
September
29th,
which
was
the
actual
Council
date
that
the
council
last
discussed
this
item
October
10th,
which
is
when
the
agenda
was
posted
for
tonight's
meeting
or
October
17th?
A
A
That
is
a
brief
summary
of
the
moratorium
Provisions
as
I
mentioned.
This
agenda
item
also
provides
the
city
council
with
an
opportunity
to
provide
direction
to
us
with
regard
to
bringing
back
potential
different
regulations.
So
at
this
point,
I'll
ask
director
of
special
programs
Veronica
goodheart,
to
give
a
summary
of
what
what
has
been
learned
since
the
last
meeting.
A
A
Please
take
a
moment:
I
just
I
want
to
disclose
again
that
I
own,
a
home
share,
which
means
I
rent
a
room
out
in
my
house.
I
live
in
the
house
full
time
and
that
discussion
tonight
with
the
will
not
include
home
shares.
It
will
be
just
vacation
rentals.
Is
that
correct?
That's
my
understanding,
certainly
if
the
discussion
tends
towards
a
discussion
of
Home
shares
it'd
be
appropriate
that
time
to
recuse
yourself,
but
at
this
point
there's
no
proposal
to
really
discuss
home
shares
in
depth.
Great,
thank
you.
A
So
are
there
questions
for
Steph,
council
member
course
sure
since
I
was
going
to
say
it
I'll
ask
you
since
you're
here
just
we
we
heard
that
if
we,
you
know
impose
regulations
at
least
from
one
speaker,
people
will
just
ignore
it,
because
in
America
you
don't
have
to
follow
the
law
which,
unfortunately,
we've
seen
a
little
too
much
of
that
lately.
A
But
putting
that
aside,
I
think
our
staff,
you
and
Patrick
do
an
amazing
job
in
actually
enforcing
the
law
and
if
my
numbers
are
correct,
I
think
over
50
homeowners
have
permanently
been
banned
because
of
not
following
our
vacation
rental
law
firm
ever
getting
a
short-term
vacation
rental
permit
in
the
city
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
Is
that
accurate?
A
Yes,
that's,
accurate,
okay
and
I
think
dozens
have
been
suspended
for
two
years
because
they
had
three
strikes
for
not
following
the
rules:
correct,
okay,
so
just
I
just
want
to
clear
that
up
for
the
public
that
our
staff
is
really
good
at
finding
people
who
break
the
law
really
good
at
finding
people
who
rent,
who
don't
get
a
permit
and
pay
tot
in
addition
to
the
monetary
fines,
they're
permanently
banned
and
their
audits
to
get
the
back
tot
and
I
think.
A
The
few
complaints
that
we
now
have
is
also
a
testament
to
how
great
a
job
you're
doing.
So.
Thank
you
for
your
work.
That
was
my
question
and
slight
comment
for
staff.
So
I
know:
we've
we've
been
at
this
for
a
while
now,
so
are
there
any
other
questions
before
we
get
into
comments
council,
member,
Woods
yeah?
Thank
you,
Veronica
and
Patrick
for
everything
that
you
do
to
make
it
livable
and
make
it
work
for
the
city
a
couple
questions
one
is:
we
are
actively
scouring
all
of
the
websites
for
illegal
activity.
That's
correct!
A
Yes,
it
is
okay,
so
we
scour
VRBO
and
home
away
and
Airbnb
and
all
of
those
correct.
Okay,
can
you
I
think
I'll
summarize
what
I
heard
and
you
tell
me
what
else
that
you
got
from
the
working
group
I
was
the
one
that
asked.
Why
are
we
here?
What's
the
problem
right
and
what
I
had
heard
was
quality
of
life,
not
a
lot
of
details
with
that?
A
Not
knowing
a
neighbor
and
feeling
a
sense
of
neighborhood
and
the
other
issues
like
noise
and
whatnot
seems
wasn't
part
of
a
lot
a
lot
of
the
test,
one
except
for
I,
think
two
people
that
we
heard
from
what
did
you
hear
from
the
working
group
as
the
reason,
our
current
system
is
not
working,
the
quality
of
life
actually
did
it
touch
on
the
subject
of
noise.
There's
a
lot
of
increased
traffic,
there's
increased
noise
from
people
having
Gatherings,
not
necessarily
music.
A
So
while
we
can
send
the
code
officer
out
to
respond
to
noise,
the
chances
of
a
citation
are
only
going
to
be
high
when
it
is
for
music.
Since
the
implementation
of
the
new
ordinance
in
2017
we've
only
issued
a
total
of
18
citations
for
noise
and
those
were
primarily
between
the
hours
of
12
am
and
2
A.M
When,
there's
less
surrounding
noise
to
take
away
from
what
is
really
occurring.
So
the
noise
is
still
an
impact
for
some,
because
you
have
just
those
increased
people
in
the
neighborhoods,
so
that
was
the
quality
of
life.
A
They
were
referring
to.
Okay,
so
just
to
repeat
traffic,
not
knowing
your
neighbors
and
noise.
That
is
not
projected
noise.
That's
not
Amplified
music,
so
I
I,
let's
say
I
I
just
live
in
my
house.
It's
not
a
vacation
rental.
The
the
am
I
correct
that
the
noise
ordinance
that
applies
to
me
in
my
backyard
is
the
same
as
a
vacation
rental.
Yes,
that's
correct!
Okay!
A
So
if
I'm
in
my
back
and
the
difference
between
me
enjoying
my
backyard
and
a
vacation
rental
is
that
I
can
actually
have
some
Amplified
music
as
long
as
I
don't
go
beyond
the
borders
of
my
property.
Yes,
okay!
So
really
the
noise,
whether
I
live
there
or
not,
is
the
same
for
a
vacation
rental.
The
difference
as
I
understand
it
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
who
responds
to
the
noise
complaint.
A
Yes,
that's
correct
because
there's
a
difference
between
a
code
officer,
responding
for
vacation
rental
versus
a
police
officer,
who's,
responding
for
noise
and
whether
or
not
it's
owner,
occupied
or
occupied
by
vacation
rental
guest
right.
So
if,
if
I'm
having
a
party
and
somebody
calls
and
I'm
not
a
vacation
rental,
the
police
come
to
my
home
and
what
they'll
do
is
ask
me
probably
to
break
up
the
party
I
assume,
that's
probably
what's
going
to
happen
and
I
guess
the
police
sheep
is
over
there.
He
could
answer
that
better.
A
You
are
correct,
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
break
up
the
party
and
then,
if
not
cite
them,
okay,
and
if,
if
I,
had
a
vacation
rental,
it's
even
more
severe,
because
you
will
not
only
ask
me
to
break
up
the
party,
but
you
will
find
the
renters
for
it
as
well
correct
the
people
are
renting
the
house
correct
okay,
so
the
other
question
I
have
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
to
the
public
that
the
noise
ordinance
is
no
different
than
if
you
have
a
single
family
home
than
if
you
have
a
vacation
home.
A
It's
just
how
we
respond
to
it
and
whether
or
not
you
can
have
Amplified
music.
So
the
other
question
is,
let's
say:
I
have
a
vacation
rental
and
what
I
want
to
do
is
I
rent
it
for
the
weekends.
But
then
all
of
a
sudden
I
have
a
two-month
rental
that
during
that
two-month
rental
time,
let's
say
somebody
calls
in
and
complains
about
noise
I'm
registered
at
a
vacation
rental.
How
does
the
city
respond
to
that?
The
vocational
rental
rules
did
not
apply
to
leases
or
any
rental
periods
longer
than
28
days.
A
So
then,
that
would
be
a
regular
noise
response.
Call.
I
would
like
to
point
out,
though,
that
noise
calls
are
not
a
top
priority,
because
our
police
department
is
very
stress,
responding
to
other
calls
so
oftentimes
when
these
calls
come
in
for
Noise
by
the
time
police.
Finally
do
make
it
out
there.
The
noise
has
been
taken
care
of
so
I'm
calling
in
about
my
neighbor
who's
got
noise
and
it's
a
vacation.
It's
a
two-month
rental
he's
a
vacation
rental.
How?
When
you
call
in
do
you
know
that
I
have
somebody
there?
A
That's
two
months
versus
weekend
we
send
out
Code
Compliance
officers,
The
Code,
Compliance
officers
will
ask
for
a
copy
of
the
rental
agreement
to
verify
okay,
so
so
that
okay,
and
so
the
other
question
that
I've
been
asked,
is
so,
let's
say
the
two:
a
month
renter,
even
though
I'm
a
vacation
rental
has
Amplified
outdoor
music.
That
would
be
allowed
as
long
as
it's
within
our
current
noise
ordinance.
A
Okay,
great
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
with
a
lot
of
people,
because
I
think
they
think
there's
a
difference
between
a
vacation
rental
and
not
and
I
wanted
to
hear
directly
from
staff
how
how
we
handle
it.
I'll
leave
it
at
that
for
now
and
I
may
come
back.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you!
A
Any
other
questions,
council
member,
of
course,
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
on
councilmember
Woods
and
please
don't
break
up
his
party
geez
I
presume
only
if
the
music
was
really
loud
and
it
was
after
10
pm
correct,
just
people
you
can
have
parties
at
your
house,
don't
with
music.
Just
so
you
know
the
other
difference.
Is
you
any
of
us
can
have
a
party
with
50
people
at
our
house,
a
vacation
rental
being
used
as
a
vacation.
A
Rental
can
have
two
people
per
bedroom
and
two
extra
guests
I
believe
visiting
correct,
so
there's
daytime
daytime
hours,
but
at
night
it
could
a
party
of
more
than
two
people
with
your
bedroom
and
two
young
youngsters,
12
and
under
would
be
a
citation
and
a
strike
against
that
house.
Correct.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
Okay,
so
that's
another
limitation,
so
folks,
no,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
limitations
to
try
and
limit
The,
Noise
music
number
of
people
and
things
along
those
lines.
A
We
currently
have
a
total
of
four
officers
and
we
have
recently
have
two
additional
code
officers
who
were
hired,
who
are
being
trained
right
now
for
vacation
rental
enforcement,
that
that
will
bring
us
to
six
full-time
Enforcement
Officers.
Yes,
and
are
you
aware
of
any
other
city
that
has
as
many
as
four
to
six
Enforcement
Officers?
No,
not
that
I'm.
Aware
of.
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
A
Do
you
know
what
the
attrition
rate
is
of
vacation
rentals?
We
heard
something
earlier,
but
do
you
have
any
statistics
on
that?
I?
Don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
like
how
many
people
give
up
their
permit
a
year
versus
how
many
people
apply.
It
is
that
it's
very
I'm
small
in
comparison.
So
right
now,
currently
we
have
over
200
that
are
renewing
this
month.
A
Every
month
we
receive
an
average
of
100
to
200
renewals
since
January
of
this
year,
I
believe,
with
only
10
closures,
say
the
last
part
again
only
10
since
January
of
this
year.
Okay,
great
and
do
you
have
an
idea,
I
know.
Last
time
we
asked
you
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
gotten
to
the
statistics,
yet
I
think
the
gentleman
from
vrun
called
in
and
said
that
there's
a
lot
of
second
homes
that
are
not
used
at
all.
Do
we
do
we
have
verification
of
any
of
those
numbers?
A
No,
we
do
not
again.
We
came
back
rather
soon
after
the
last
meeting.
We
are
diligently
working
through
your
list
of
items
that
you
would
like
brought
back
and
we've
made
a
nice
progress,
but
unfortunately
did
not
get
to
them
all
tonight.
I
understand
and
absolutely
understand.
Thank
you
for
everything.
They're
doing.
Thank
you,
man,
thank
you,
I!
Think
we've!
No,
yes!
A
So
my
understanding
of
the
census
and
other
data
is
if
a
home
doesn't
have
a
full,
it's
a
part-time
resident
and
doesn't
have
a
long-term
renter
or
a
homeowner
with
a
primary
residence.
It's
that's
what
the
40
vacant
counts,
as
so
it
doesn't
mean
no
one's
ever
in
the
house.
Someone
could
be
in
that
house.
You
know
four
months
a
year
come
every
weekend,
that's
not
where
they're
gonna
be
recorded,
So!
It's
that's
why
it's
considered
vacant.
A
A
Do
you
know
how
many
vacation
rentals
we
have
that
are
not
short-term
rentals
that
are
long-term
rentals
in
terms
of
30
days
or
more.
No,
those
were
the
more
difficult
to
obtain,
so
we're
still
working
on
those
items.
For
you
do
those
rentals
require
any
particular
license
from
the
city.
No,
we
don't
do
any
regulation
for
anything
longer
than
28
days.
A
So
I
think
we've
exhausted
our
questions
from
now
and
let's
open
this
up
to
council
member
comments,
council
member,
of
course,
okay
I'll
try
and
be
able
to
read
my
notes
in
my
handwriting,
but
just
a
couple.
Things
appreciate
everyone's
comments
and
listening
to
everyone
else.
A
You
know
I
think,
to
the
comments
that
you
know
there
are
more
important
things
we
should
work
on
and
why?
Why
are
you
even
bringing
this
up
and
discussing
it
and
discussing
it,
creates
problems?
One,
that's
our
job
to
discuss
things
to
we
promised
we
would
look
at
after
we
passed
the
last
ordinance
back
in
2017.
We
promised
we
would
review
it
in
a
year
and
because
of
the
lawsuit
we
hadn't,
but
we
hear
that
on
almost
every
issue.
A
If
you
like
the
status
quo,
you
don't
want
us
to
talk
about
it,
but
that
is
our
job
and.
A
I
think
it's
just
important
that
we
do
that
and
that's
the
idea
of
a
pause
I
do
want
to
say
this
isn't
just
like
from
out
of
the
blue
right.
We
had
a
long
study
session
with
a
ton
of
data
that
we
went
through
I
believe
in
March.
A
As
a
council,
we
had
a
whole
bunch
of
questions
we
asked
most
got
answered.
We
had
a
couple
more
at
the
last
meeting
appreciate
the
working
group
But.
Ultimately,
we
probably
the
working
group
talked
to
each
other
and
got
data,
and
you
know
I've
probably
heard
from
emailed
and
talked
to
over
100
people
on
this
issue
in
the
last
two
weeks.
A
So
that's
our
jobs
ultimately
to
do.
But
we
appreciate
all
the
input
and
I
sort
of
want
to
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
I
want
to
start,
but
I
want
to
start
sort
of
for
me
and
I
was
open
to
the
Caps.
You
know
when
they
came
up
from
the
working
group.
I
was
willing
to
think
about
those.
A
A
A
We
could
do
that.
No
one
here
wants
to
do
that,
so
don't
put
it
on
Facebook
or
in
the
news
but
I'm
just
sort
of
saying.
We
have
a
lot
of
leeway
on
this
right
and
no
one
has
the
right
for
a
long-term
vacation
rental
car
you
get
a
permit
which
has
to
be
renewed
every
year.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
right
for
our
city
and
our
residents
and
our
Workforce,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
computing
interests
here
right.
A
You
know
I
support,
vacation,
rentals,
I
worked
really
hard
on
the
last
ordinance
and
the
other
just
big
thing
which
I
forgot
to
say
is
the
voters
didn't
vote
70
percent
to
pass
the
vacation
rental
ordinance
right,
Council
passed
that
and
there
was
a
ballot
measure
to
ban
them
in
any
single
family
part
of
the
city,
any
residential
Zone
in
the
city
to
ban
them.
That's
what
people
voted
no
on.
They
didn't
want
a
ban
that
doesn't
mean
they
don't
want
restrictions
or
regulation
or
potential
changes
very
different.
A
It
wasn't
70
percent
said:
yes,
let's
have
vacation
rentals,
you
know
without
there
were
all
kinds
of
rules
and
without
all
the
rules
that
were
passed,
we
might
have
had
a
different
result
in
that
election
and
we
want
to
make
sure
I
think
most
of
us,
probably
all
of
us,
but
everyone
will
speak
for
themselves
that
we
keep
vacation
rentals,
but
we
do
it
in
a
thoughtful
way,
and
that
makes
what's
best
for
our
city
and
looking
at
five
years
of
experience
on
it.
A
But
the
problem
with
the
cap,
for
me,
is
it's
just
not
fair.
Why
should
someone
who
has
a
vacation,
rental
and
we've
heard
from
people
tonight
right?
They
bought
a
second
house.
They
live
in
a
house,
and
now
they
are
renting
a
house
as
a
vacation
rental
that
they'll
never
sleep
in,
be
able
to
do
that
and
then
someone
who
has
a
life
change
in
their
life
and
needs
to
rent
it
out.
Some
of
the
time
won't
be
able
to
get
a
permit.
That's
just
unfair!
A
So
with
that
in
mind,
you
know,
and
the
mayor
and
I
did
talk
about
some
other
options
and
we
met
with
people
on
both
sides,
some
who
don't
want
any
vacation
rentals
and
some
who
want
Unlimited,
vacation
rentals
and
that's
sort
of
where
the
idea
of
24
rental
contracts
came
from
and
I
sort
of
want
to
share,
like
you
know,
I
think
councilmember
would
said.
So
what
is
what
are
we
trying
to
solve
here
right?
What
are
the?
What
are
the
issues
right?
A
One
is
density.
There
are
people
who
feel
surrounded.
They
have
vacation
rentals
on
all
sides
and
Les
Reynolds
is
going
to
mean
less
impacts.
It
is
going
to
have
an
an
effect.
Yes,
we
do
a
great
job
on
Amplified,
music
and
parties
and
all
of
that,
but
there
is
a
real
difference
in
a
four
bedroom
house
if
it's
occupied
by
eight
and
with
children,
10
people
36
different
times
not
days
but
contracts
averaging
four
to
five
times,
then,
if
it's
by
two
people
who
are
living
in
that
house,
that's
a
different
impact.
A
It
just
is
it
a
reasonable
impact?
Yeah
I
think
it
is,
but
it
will
resolve
the
the
number
right.
So
that
is
one
of
the
reasons.
I
think
that's
the
right
number
I
think
36
doesn't
do
that
when
we
pass
the
ordinance
in
2017.
A
We
were
really
clear
and
we
put
it
into
the
ordinance
that
using
your
home
for
short-term
vacation
rentals
was
a
way
to
help
our
part-time
and
full-time
residents
and
provide
another
option
for
tourists,
but
we
put
in
it
had
to
be
a
secondary
and
ancillary
use,
not
the
primary
use
of
the
house.
That's
not
what's
happening
in
a
lot
of
cases.
There
are
people,
and
we
heard
them
last
time
too.
They
never
sleep
in
that
house.
A
There
are
people
who
buy
a
second
house
that
they
will
never
go
into
when
you're
running
it
36
times
on,
for
an
average
of
five
times,
you're
running
it
more
than
half
the
nights
of
the
year.
That
is
not
a
secondary
use,
and
that
was
not
the
intent
of
the
ordinance.
Hindsight
is
always
you
know
2020,
but
we
didn't.
We
should
have
put
a
better
a
definition
with
penalties
if
you
weren't
using
it
as
a
secondary
use,
so
24
gets
you
there
a
lot
more.
A
It
also
makes
it
not
a
profitable
thing
for
an
investor
because
we're
very
clear
we
didn't
want
outside
investors.
We
wanted
people
who
were
living
here,
part-time
or
full-time
to
be
able
to
rent
out
their
house
some
of
the
time
people
who
are
using
the
house
as
a
vacation
house
and
then
are
going
to
retire.
Here
we
heard
from
those
folks
today,
that's
the
history
of
Palm
Springs
right
many
people,
that's
how
they
got
here
and
with
36
rentals.
A
That's
not
what
is
happening
so
that
is
why
I
think
24
rentals
is
the
right
amount
of
time,
I!
Think
for
people
who
have
don't
have
permits
I
think
so
they
don't
have
contracts
that
they
have
to
honor
I.
Think
that's
a
right
number,
always
open
to
hearing
other
thoughts
and
I.
Think
for
people
who
already
have
a
permit,
giving
them
36
contracts
for
the
next
year
or
even
two
potentially
for
ongoing
guests,
Etc
and
then
going
down
to
24
would
be
a
fair
way
to
do
it.
A
I
do
think
for
new
permit
holders.
We
need
to
Define
what
secondary
means-
and
you
know
the
number
of
the
mayor
throughout
and
is
that
you're
a
testing
here
living
in
the
house
for
90
days
that
you
actually
are
a
part-time
resident
here,
so
that's
sort
of
where
that
comes
from
I
think
having
current
permit
holders
take
10
years
before
they
have
to
do
that.
It's
probably
too
long
for
me,
but
I'm
open
for
that
conversation
and
we've
bented
around
numbers,
and
we
just
wanted
to
bring
the
concepts
for
Council.
A
You
know
so
and
nothing
will
be
passed
tonight
right.
It
will
be
November
before
we'll
have
a
first
reading
of
an
ordinance,
and
everyone
have
lots
of
time
to
give
input
before
then
and
at
that
meeting,
so
nothing's
going
to
happen
on
a
decision
tonight,
the
density
issue,
a
neighborhood
cap-
doesn't
really
solve
if
you're
surrounded
by
vacation.
A
Rentals
right,
you
know
saying
you
can
only
have
one
next
to
you
does,
but
logistically
I
think
that
creates
so
much
challenges
that
I
think
neighborhood
is
probably
the
best
way
we
can
do
that
and
while
I
don't
like
caps,
because
I
want
other
people
to
have
the
right,
I
think
the
idea
which
we
raised
at
the
last
meeting
of
a
second
sort
of
Junior
permit
of
some
number.
A
You
know
numbers
have
banded
a
route
from
people
and
including
public
comment
of
six
to
twelve
that
everyone
can
have,
even
if
their
neighborhood
reaches
that
cap.
You
know
if
you're
renting
it
six
times,
that's
when
you're
going
on
vacation
and
that
I
have
friends
who
they
go
on
vacation
in
April.
They
can
rent
their
house
for
Coachella
and
Stagecoach.
That's
how
they
afford
to
live
here.
Full-Time
and
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
can
continue
to
do
that.
So
I
think
we
need
something
along
those
lines
as
well.
A
I
think
there's
some
other
issues
which
just
listening
tonight
and
thinking
about
you
know.
If
you
have
a
short-term
vacation
rental,
you
know
you
can't
rent
that
house
and
have
a
wedding
there,
because
you'd
be
paying
to
have
an
event
and
if
you're
paying
an
event,
you
well
more
than
the
number
of
people
who
are
at
the
house
right
and
I.
A
Think
that
is
happening
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
clear
in
the
ordinance
about
events
of
vacation,
rental
houses
and
I
know
there
are
some
people
who
are
doing
both
and
I
think
we
need
to
really
look
at
that.
It's
people
who
are
renting
their
house,
you
know
for
the
maximum
contracts
and
then
renting
the
house
for
events
the
rest
of
the
time
and
that's
that's
a
commercial
business.
A
That's
not
a
part-time
or
full-time
owner
using
the
house
and
that's
what
we
we
wanted
right,
different
people
on
Council
now
so,
but
that's
what
we
were
going
for
last
time
and
a
lot
of
it
happened.
But
not
all
of
it
happened
so
I
think
that
when
we
talk
about
the
problems,
I
do
think
people
feel
the
density.
A
The
things
I'm
hearing
there
are
more
impacts
of
a
vacation
rental
than
some
folks,
but
some
of
the
biggest
complaints
are
part-time
owners
who
come
every
weekend
and
start
playing
music
at
8,
A.M
and
they're
allowed
to
do
that.
So
you
know
we
have
you're
always
going
to
have
some
bad
neighbors
right
and
sometimes
they're,
not
the
vacation.
Rentals.
We
didn't
want
an
investor
owned,
which
I
think
we
can
better
clear
up
here
and
I.
A
Think
there's
you
know
what
is
the
impact
on
housing
for
full-time
folks
and
you
know
we've
always
been
been
a
big
Second
Home
Market,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
we
have
housing
for
people
who
want
to
live
here,
full-time
as
well.
So
those
are
the
issues
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
keep
vacation
rentals
as
an
option
for
our
full
and
part-time
residents
and
make
that
work
and
just
a
couple
things
I
noted.
You
know:
I've
owned
three
homes
in
Palm
Springs,
starting
full
time
in
2000.
A
A
When
I
moved
up
into
Vista
Las
Palmas
on
Rose
in
2007
I
didn't
have
neighbors
I
had
people
on
one
side
came
down
from
Canada
for
two
to
three
months
a
year
they
didn't
vacation
rental.
It
people
on
the
other
side,
I
think
I
saw
twice.
You
know
in
the
five
years
I
owned
that
house,
people
behind
me,
so
I,
don't
think
just
because
if
we
banned
vacation
rentals,
all
of
a
sudden
people
would
have
all
these
full-time
Neighbors.
A
A
Rentals
and
I
know
one
of
the
owners
who's
there
decent
amount.
So
you
know
it's
going
to
be
different
everywhere,
and
so
just
when
you
think
just
for
people
who,
like
you
know,
it's
gonna
all
of
a
sudden
change
dramatically
if
we
make
changes
not
necessarily
so
those
are
just
some
initial
comments,
a
little
all
over
the
place,
but
I
could
read
most
of
my
notes,
so
that
was
okay,
all
right.
Okay,
thank
you
and
Veronica.
A
A
A
Yeah,
I,
I
think
what
what
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
is
frustration
on
both
sides
of
this
issue,
because
there
have
been
people
who
have
really
invested
a
lot
of
time
and
money
into
vacation
rentals
and,
as
some
of
you
come
forward,
we
are
hearing
that
it
doesn't
actually
fit
into
what
is
supposed
to
be
our
use
for
these
rentals,
which
is
which
is
difficult
because
part
of
having
it
as
a
secondary
use,
is
also
limiting
the
impacts
of
gentrification
if
we're
having
people
in
Palm
Springs
who
are
buying
up
multiple
houses
to
use
as
vacation
rentals.
A
Well,
you
know
that's
part
of
the
the
problem
that
we're
seeing
with
neighborhoods
that
used
to
be
very
affordable,
going
up
in
cost
and
when
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
we
get
from
long-term
residents
about
not
liking
vacation
rentals
tend
to
be
focused
in
that
area
of
town
where
there
are
the
most.
So
it
is
Racket
Club
Estates.
A
But
I
think
that
that's
part
of
why
we're
in
this
situation
is
because
there
are
these
really
dense
areas,
and
that's
why
some
other
areas
of
town,
where
there's
not
as
many
people,
feel
good
about
it
and
say:
oh
yeah,
I,
don't
mind
the
vacation
rentals
at
all.
It's
like
my
parents
and
they
live
in
the
southern
part
of
Palm
Springs.
They
have
no
issues
with
the
vacation
rentals
around
them,
but
it's
also
not
densely
full
of
vacation.
Rentals
in
terms
of
the
permits.
A
I
do
really
support
having
a
different
type
of
permit
for
people
who
are
only
renting
a
few
times
a
year.
As
I
noted
in
the
last
meeting
when
we
discussed
this
there's
over
800
permits
that
are
currently
existing,
that
are
less
that
are
used
less
than
12
times
a
year
and
half
of
those
are
less
than
six
times
so,
there's
clearly
a
lot
of
people
who
are
here
often
who
are
using
vacation
rentals
as
a
as
a
temporary
source
of
of
income
or
just
to
offset
mortgage,
and
we
should.
A
One
of
the
things
that
was
raised
in
the
recommendations
by
the
mayor
and
councilmember
Coors
is
allowing
HOAs
to
make
their
own
rules
and
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
that
we
have
several
new
developments
and
I
know,
at
least
for
miralon.
Miralon
is
still
developer
controlled
and
so
until
they
are
controlled
by
the
residents.
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
they're
included
in
any
kind
of
neighborhood
cap,
because,
right
now
they
don't
they
don't
really.
They
don't
get
a
say.
A
Let's
see
I
did
want
to
address.
As
well,
what
this
moratorium
means
moratorium
would
mean
that
this
is.
We
are
temporarily
not
accepting
applications.
While
we
address
this
issue,
while
we
make
sure
that
we're
getting
it
right
and
to
prevent
people
from
putting
in
applications
and
then
being
disappointed
with
the
changes
that
we've
made.
So
this
is
extremely
temporary
and
it
is
for
the
benefit
of
staff
for
the
benefit
of
the
council
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
A
In
terms
of
people
that
are
already
in
the
queue
I
do
feel
for
those
folks
and
I
would
like
any
any
moratorium
to
start
today.
Instead
of
going
backwards,
I
know
that
there's
still
a
lot
in
the
queue,
but
whether
somebody
decided
because
they
watched
our
meeting,
that
they
wanted
a
vacation
rental
or
they
just
happened
to
put
it
in
at
that
time,
I
feel
for
them
and
and
I
think
we
should
should
start
today.
For
that.
A
There's
also
was
a
mention
at
one
point
of
folks
who
have
been
renovating
homes
who
have
not
been
able
to
apply
for
a
permit
yet
because
we
require
that
the
renovation
be
complete
before
you
can
get
a
vacation
rental
permit
and
it
sounds
like
there's
not
too
many
people
who
are
in
that
situation.
So
I
would
like
to
discuss
further
with
Council
how
we
address
that
situation,
because
I
do
understand
if
you're
putting
in
a
lot
of
effort
into
a
home
that
might
may
have
been
a
blight
at
home.
A
A
And
then,
as
well
with
the
transition,
existing
holders
would
have
five
years
before
they
would
also
need
to
be
part
of
that
requirement.
That
also
seems
like
an
excessive
amount
of
time
to
me.
I,
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
five
years.
I
think
we
can
transition
that
sooner
and
I
do
want
to
raise
up
the
comment
that
we
got
about
people
who
are
here
as
second
homeowners
who
are
not
using
vacation
rentals.
A
A
Well,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
the
comments
first
from
everyone
in
the
public
who
came
up
to
to
speak
again,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
respectful
of
those
who
have
opinions
that
are
different
than
your
own.
That's
important
in
our
city.
It's
really
important
on
an
issue
like
this.
A
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
get
the
balances
right
and
get
and
to
ensure
this
Hospitality
option
became
continues
to
be
something
that's
available
to
to
everyone,
and
you
know
from
time
to
time
those
who
do
not
like
the
idea
of
vacation
rentals
accuse
us
of
only
being
interested
in
the
money
here
in
on
city
council,
and
that's
just
simply
not
the
case,
but
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
know
from
from
the
hard
data
is
in
2021-22.
A
We
had
almost
double
the
amount
of
vacation
rental
activity
in
terms
of
tot
that
was
collected
than
we
had
in
2019
the
last
year
before
the
coven
crisis
came
in.
Much
of
that
was
because
families
wanted
to
be
able
to
stay
in
a
place
that
they
thought
would
be
a
bit
safer
and
we
had
an
increase
in
our
hotel
occupancy
too,
but
nothing
even
close
to
as
dramatic
as
what
we
had
in
vacation
rental.
A
It.
As
I've
said
before
and
we'll
say
again,
it's
a
Hospitality,
I
and
my
family
enjoy
doing
not
here
in
Palm
Springs,
but
in
other
places,
because
it
allows
very
frequently
families
to
get
together.
Under,
One
Roof,
who
live
in
disparate
parts
of
our
state
or
our
nation
or
even
our
world
and
hospitality,
is
something
that
has
always
been
a
part
of
Palm,
Springs
and
I.
Think
we'll
always
be
a
part
of
Palm
Springs.
A
It
needs
to
be
tourism
matters
to
this
to
this
community,
for
those
who,
who
just
simply
can't
accept
the
concept
that
a
private
home
should
ever
be
used
as
a
short-term
rental
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
rules
that
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
you
want
any
more
than
we're
going
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
rules
that
will
work
for
those
who
believe
that
there
should
be
no
restrictions
whatsoever.
A
Just
let
the
market
decide
what
will
go
on,
but
we've
committed
to
try
to
to
regulate
this.
A
One
of
the
I
think
really
good
ways
you
can
judge
whether
or
not
a
law
is
working
is
how
long
it
goes
between
the
time
it
was
enacted
and
before
you
have
to
revisit
that
law
and
in
2017
a
set
of
reforms
that
were
enacted
very
significant
ones
and
we're
sitting
here
five
years
later,
finally,
taking
and
addressing
some
changes
that
shows
how
good
a
job
we
did
five
years
ago.
A
It
shows
that
the
commitment
that
we
made
to
enforcement
is
working,
and
it
also
shows
that
the
individuals
within
the
industry
modified
their
behaviors
so
as
to
address
the
changes
that
we
were
enacting.
I
am
absolutely
convinced
that
there
will
be
modifications
of
behaviors
to
adapt
to
what
we
do
now.
A
A
It
is
incumbent
on
us
to
be
a
leader
in
How.
We
manage
this
kind
of
Hospitality
option
and
I
believe
we
have
been
and
we're
here
today,
because
we
want
to
continue
to
be
for
the
next
many
years.
A
We
do
not
want
to
be
one
of
those
cities
that
simply
throws
up
their
arms
and
says
this
is
too
hard
of
work
to
do.
Let's
just
ban
it
and
move
on,
that's
not
who
we
are,
and
that's
not
what
we're
doing
and
I
would
ask
everyone,
regardless
of
where
you
are
on
this
issue,
to
step
back,
and
you
may
think
it
should
be
X
percent,
and
somebody
else
thinks
it
should
be
y
percent.
A
Some
of
the
comments
that
came
into
this
evening
spoke
to
people
who've
been
working
really
really
hard
to
rehabilitate
homes
and
to
make
their
dream
come
true
with
the
homes
that
they
have.
A
It
would
be
easy
to
just
simply
take
and
impose
the
limit
of,
as
suggested
2500
allow,
the
300
or
so
applications
that
are
in
the
works
to
work.
Their
way
through,
but,
as
we
know,
with
attrition
rates
that
are
measured
in
the
dozens
or
even
less
per
year,
if
we
did
something
like
that,
we'd
be
looking
at
three
four
five
six
seven
years
before,
we
would
be
able
to
allow
anyone
else
new
into
the
permit
and
I.
A
I
really
appreciate
the
comments
that
both
of
my
colleagues
have
made
so
far
and
I'm
sure
I'll
appreciate
the
ones
that
councilmember
Woods
will
make
and
absolutely
thank
you
mere
Pro
Tim,
any
HOA
that
is
being
controlled
by
the
developer,
as
opposed
to
by
the
residents,
is
not
the
kind
of
HOA
that
we
we
certainly
were
contemplating
with
this
and
the
time
at
which
we
incorporate
the
moratorium.
A
Whether
we
go
retroactive
or
we
go
today
as
something
I'm
open
to
to
conversation
on
what
I
do
think
one
of
the
concepts
that
we've
introduced
that
someone
needs
to
actually
live
in
the
home
for
a
period
of
time.
Each
year
is
incredibly
important.
It
Roots
them
in
the
community.
It
goes
to
the
historic
conversations
that
we've
had
of
individuals
who
first
buy
a
home.
They
spend
weekends
here
they
spend
a
month
here
they
spend
a
couple
of
months
and
they
keep
building
up
the
amount
of
time
until
they're
here
full
time.
A
I,
don't
know
how
many
folks
I
have
ran
into
for
whom
that's
the
story
and
it's
a
wonderful
story
of
Palm
Springs
and
that's
something
that
we
want
to
maintain.
In
order
to
do
so,
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
ensure
that
you
actually
do
live
here
some
period
of
time
during
the
course
of
the
Year.
A
There
are
an
awful
lot
of
ways
that
do
not
require
tremendous
amounts
of
intrusion
in
order
to
be
able
to
confirm
that
kind
of
attestation
and
one
of
the
things
we
know
about
our
staff.
A
If
you
lie
to
them,
they're
going
to
find
out
and
you're
going
to
pay
consequences
when
they
find
out
that
you're
lying
people
make
honest
mistakes
and
we
will
always
address
those.
But
when
you
sign
your
name
saying
I
did
something
and
you
didn't
do
it.
You
should
pay
a
price
for
that
so
with
that
I'm
certainly
open
to
conversation
on
any
of
these
issues,
but
it
from
day
one
when
I
first
got
involved
in
this
issue.
A
Thank
you,
man,
Amir
I'm,
going
to
break
the
conversation
into
two
parts.
One
is
the
moratorium,
which
is
what
was
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
the
other
part
will
be
kind
of
input
to
staff
like
we
gave
last
time
as
to
where
we
stand
so
the
first
one
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
come
back
to
the
questions.
I
asked
earlier
of
staff
and
answer
that,
but
I
want
to
ask
staff
a
few
more
questions
regarding
the
moratorium
and
I'll.
Ask
this
I
guess
to
the
City
attorney.
A
If
we
approve
a
new
ordinance
or
changes
to
our
existing
ordinance,
can
we
make
those
changes?
Retroactive.
A
Generally,
yes,
okay,
so
there's
people
in
the
queue
right
now
and
if
we
make
a
couple
changes
like
it's
been
suggested,
we
could
apply
those
within
a
year
or
six
months
or
anyone
new
okay
good
to
know.
So
that's
the
moratorium
question.
So
the
the
question
really
is
is
between
us
up
here
on
Council
is
a
moratorium
needed
since
we
can
retroactively
apply
any
proposed
changes
that
we
want
to
do
so.
A
I'll
leave
that
off
I'll
leave
that
discussion
with
the
moratorium
done,
laughs,
I
smile,
thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
councilmember
course.
You
heard
me
last
time
and
I
won't
repeat
it,
but
it's
exactly
what
I
had
said
last
time.
We
should
not
be
counting
HOAs
in
the
overall
density,
because
that's
up
to
them
the
only
thing
different
that
they
proposed
tonight
that
I
didn't
propose.
A
Last
time
we
met
was
the
cap
on
the
number
of
days
and
I'm
totally
open
to
discussing
that,
but
I'll
just
quickly
repeat
what
I
said
last
time
we
shouldn't
include
HOAs
or
apartments
in
any.
If
we're
going
to
do
density,
which
I
said
last
time,
I,
don't
believe
that
we
should
do
I
think
they
should
be
a
secondary
use
by
far
and
we
needed
to
find
a
way
to
do
it.
I
totally
agree
with
that.
A
We
have
to
disincentivize
Investments
that
are
not
people
living
there.
Like
the
stories
we
heard
tonight,
we
have
to
completely
find
a
way
to
do
that
and
I
have
heard.
I've
had
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
since
the
last
meeting.
Los
Angeles
does
it
because
you
have
to
actually
be
it
has
to
be
your
permanent
residence
now,
whether
that
works
here
or
not
maybe
a
different
story,
but
it
is
a
way
to
say.
Basically,
you
are
a
resident
of
that
Community
monetizing
your
property
to
a
degree.
A
A
I
want
to
repeat
something:
that's
been
said:
my
neighbors
are
very
fortunate.
They
come
out,
maybe
maybe
three
times
a
year,
they're
a
privileged
class,
that's
one
or
three
or
four
of
one
of
their
homes.
They
are
completely
privileged
not
to
have
to
use
that
home
or
to
monetize
that
home
in
any
way,
but
that's
not
really
everything
that
everyone
that
lives
in
Palm,
Springs
I,
think
Palm
Springs
has
an
over
for
the
full-time
residents.
I
think
fifty
thousand
dollars
is
like
the
average
income.
A
It's
not
high
at
all,
so
people
are
looking
for
ways
to
get
into
the
market,
and
so
the
question
is:
how
do
you
monetize
your
property
and
there
are
ways
that
people
are
doing
it,
but
then
there
are
the
people
that
are
pushing
it
and
they're
the
investors
and
they're
coming
in.
So
that's
where
we
have
to
really
talk
about.
Is
it
really,
and
we
have
to
this-
is
going
to
be
the
tricky
part?
Is
that
your
home,
or
is
it
strictly
an
investment
and
I?
Think
we
need
to
to
absolutely
work
that
out?
A
A
A
A
It
has
been
since
reduced
to
15
000
a
month.
Just
shocking
I,
don't
know
what
vacation
rentals
bring
in
a
month.
But
that
is
you
no
wonder
we
have
investors
coming
here.
That
is
I
mean
that's
incredible:
amounts
of
money
that
somebody's
getting
for
a
short-term
rental,
whether
they
get
it
or
not.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
what
it's
listed
for
I.
Don't
think!
That's
good
for
us
I,
don't
think
investor
buying
that
property
just
to
make
it
a
hotel
is
what
I
think
everyone's
complaining
about
and
I
do.
A
Think
the
constant
flipping
of
a
neighbor
is
problematic,
which
Rebecca's
in
the
audience-
and
you
testified
to
and
I
think
that
is
problematic.
So
the
question
is:
how
do
we
kind
of
regulate
that
as
well?
I
think
the
proposals
that
I
put
forward,
that
the
rest
of
my
counselors
put
forward
are
really
great.
It's
really
working
out
and
hammering
the
details
on
those
to
make
them
work.
People
are
monetizing
their
property,
but
not
for
their
own
personal
benefit,
they're
doing
it
as
a
business.
A
At
this
point
and
I
think
that's
what
we
really
as
I
said
before,
we
really
have
to
stop
I
love,
Palm,
Springs,
I.
Think
a
lot
of
other
people
do
it
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
spend
25
000
a
month
to
come
here
and
vacation.
You
must
love
this
place.
We've
got
to
keep
it
going.
Vacation
rentals
help
us
both
short-term
and
long
term.
The
glory
about
this
you
can
do
both
you
can
choose
to
rent
it
just
on
weekends.
A
You
can
choose
never
data
short-term
permit
and
just
do
the
long-term
permits.
What
we
just
talked
about
in
two
months.
You
paid
your
mortgage
for
years
or
or
you
can
do
both
you
can
do
a
hybrid
of
both
and
that's
the
question
I
asked
to
staff
earlier.
A
That's
amazing!
That's
amazing!
Profitability
on
a
house
that,
before
coved
in
my
neighborhood,
went
for
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
I'm
shocked,
I
mean
I'm,
just
absolutely
shocked,
so
I
think
we're
in
the
right
direction.
As
a
council
I
think
we
want
quality
of
life.
We
want
to
know
our
neighbors,
if
they're,
here
or
not,
and
if
somebody's
here
on
a
weekend
I'd
like
to
get
to
know
them,
maybe
I
will
maybe
I
won't,
but
that's
my
two
cents.
Thank
you.
A
So
we've
all
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions
and
to
provide
comments.
We've
got
to
actually
provide
Direction
at
staff,
can
take
and
then
come
back
to
us
with
an
ordinance
that
would
be
a
first
reading
and
we
we
have
two
fundamental
questions
to
answer
this
evening.
One
has
to
do
with
the
issue
of
a
moratorium
and
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
impose
one
and
what
date
would
be.
A
Is
there
just
by
a
quick
show
of
hands,
support
for
the
concept
of
a
moratorium
not
getting
into
the
details,
but
just
the
concept.
A
Councilmember
Woods
was
that
a
yes
or
no
at
this
point,
I'm
not
convinced
a
moratorium
will
do
anything
and
my
question
of
the
City
attorney
earlier.
It
doesn't
seem
like
it's
going
to
serve
a
purpose.
A
So
if,
if
I
could
I
I
may
not
have
understood
the
full
import
of
the
question,
although
laws
generally
can
be
retroactive,
I
would
say
from
a
legal
perspective
as
well
as
from
kind
of
a
staff
administrative
perspective,
it
probably
would
be
advisable
if
the
council
is
going
to
be
making
changes
to
our
ordinance
to
to
adopt
a
a
pause,
as
recommended
by
by
staff.
A
Can
I
just
ask
questions
brother.
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
Ballinger.
For
that
a
pause.
What
does
a
pause
mean?
A
pause
means
that
either
you
can
stop
accepting
applications
or
you
can
accept
applications
with
clear
understanding
that
the
city
staff
is
not
going
to
be
processing
them
and
again
that
helps
with
the
administrative
burden.
It
allows
City
staff
and
the
special
programs
Department
to
focus
their
efforts
on
doing
the
research
the
council
has
identified,
needs
to
be
done
and
also
helping
the
city
attorney's
office
draft.
A
So
if
we,
if
a
moratorium
was
adopted-
and
we
have
I
think
close
to
300
applications
that
have
been
they've
been
submitted,
what
does
that
mean
for
those
300.?
A
That
is
something
that
the
council
can
address.
When
we
come
back
either
in
late
October
November,
you
can
decide
what
to
do
with
those,
as
opposed
to,
if
you
don't
adopt
a
moratorium,
you've
got
300
people
who
have
submitted
applications.
Who
who
may
have
expectations
as
to
what
the
council
wants,
should
do
with
those
applications
and
that
increases
potential
liability?
A
Can
you
just
I
just
I?
Thank
you
again
what?
What
is
that
potential
liability?
I
just
want
to
kind
of
understand
and
I'm,
trying
to
understand
the
pros
and
cons
of
a
moratorium
or
no
moratorium.
Sure
anytime,
somebody
has
submitted
an
application.
They
believe
they
may
have
some
sort
of
a
property
interest
in
that
application,
as
opposed
to,
if
you've
adopted
a
moratorium,
then
it's
been
made
very
clear
that
they
don't
okay.
Thank
you,
council
member
course
sure.
A
Then
people
will
know
that
right
and
they'll
know
that
they'll
be
able
to
get
a
permit.
It's
just
how
many
contracts
so
that
changes
the
whole
equation
a
little
bit
on
this
I.
Do
you
know
one
of
the
concerns
and
I
don't
know
which
way
this
comes
out
is
I.
Do
know
a
couple
of
folks
who
applied
after
our
last
meeting,
who
don't
ever
plan
on
renting
them
but
Phil.
If
they
get
in
and
we
do
the
2500
cap,
then
it's
worth
a
thousand
dollars
a
year.
A
You
know
when
they
can
rent
their
house
for
more
than
that
in
a
night
to
hold
the
permit,
and
so
you
know
if
we
had
a
cap
and
it
would
take
us
all
those
years
we
we
wouldn't
be
replacing
people
with
people
who
actually
are
going
to
rent
right
so
and
then
there
are
people
who,
let's
be
honest.
If
we
have
a
cap
and
if
we
have
a
neighborhood
cap,
you
know
you
can
get
10
people,
oh,
we
can
get
to
our
15
or
20.
A
If
we
just
get
a
permit,
we
don't
have
to
have
any
more
vacation
rentals
in
our
neighborhood,
and
so
you
know
we
can
have
this
on
both
sides.
So
that's
I,
don't
know
what
that
all
means.
I'm
just
sharing
but
I'm
open
to
I
mean
the
reason
I'm
open
to
a
moratorium
is
especially
if
what
I'm
I
think
the
majority.
If
not
all
the
council
is
not
going
to
put
a
cap
on
so
people
will
get
their
permits.
A
We're
just
going
to
take
a
45-day
pause,
so
people
actually
know
what
they're
getting
we're
not
getting
right.
There
are
some
people
who
have
applied
who,
if
they
know
they'll,
be
able
to
get
a
permit
down
the
road
which
may
be
24
or
6
for
a
junior
permit.
A
They
won't
even
move
forward
with
their
application
right.
They
don't
want
to
move
forward
with
it.
So
we
have
staff
working,
we're
costing
them
money,
people
who
are
building
now
most
of
those
they
weren't
planning
on
they
applied
sooner
then
they're
ready
to
right
because
they
were
worried
about
it.
People
in
escrow
can
apply
when
they're
in
escrow
right
they
get
rejected
automatically
until
the
escrow
is
closed,
so
I
think
a
short
moratorium.
A
You
know
not
a
couple
year,
one
like
we've
seen,
but
you
know
the
45
days
so
because
within
45
days
we
will
have
either
passed
at
least
on
first
reading,
what
the
new
rules
are,
or
we
won't
right
and
then
nothing
happens
for
at
least
some
period
of
time,
but
I
think
that
just
gives
staff
time
to
focus
on
the
new
ordinance
I
think
it
lets
people.
A
You
know
I,
don't
see
it
really
45
days
really
causing
a
major
imposition
to
people,
because
a
lot
of
those
folks
who
jumped
in
jumped
in
not
for
right
now
but
for
you
know
a
little
bit
down
the
road
so
I
see
it
more
of
as
a
staff
benefit
I
get
the
property
rights,
but
applying
for
a
permit
doesn't
give
you
much
of
a
property
interest
in
this
case.
Does
it?
A
A
So
that's
why
I'm
sort
of
open
to
it,
but
not
as
much
needed
if
to
your
point
as
well
right,
if
we're
not
having
a
total
cap
mayor
Pro
Tem,
but
we
are
still
talking
about
a
15
to
20
neighborhood
cap,
so
I
think
that
still
applies
in
terms
of
the
moratorium,
not
just
for
staff
but
because
of
that
15
to
20,
because
we
do
have
neighborhoods
that
are
already
over
that.
A
So
that
would
impact
potentially
somebody
applying
and
so
I
I
would
I
think
we
should
move
forward
mostly
for
staff,
because
if
you're
processing
applications
and
trying
to
do
all
of
this
research,
that's
quite
a
bit,
and
if
we
want
to
actually
get
this
done
by
the
end
of
November,
then
we
need
to
give
staff
time
to
do
it
without
processing
applications.
And
just
because
we
don't
know
what
the
final
outcome
is
going
to
be.
These
are
just
recommendations.
We
still
are
going
to
wait
for
all
of
the
public
comment.
A
A
So
moratorium
is
I,
think
a
smart
move,
so
what
I
and
I
frankly
have
been
trying
to
avoid
the
using
the
term
moratorium?
What
but
it's
common
usage
so
we're
not
going
to
reject
any
of
the
applications
that
are
currently
on
file.
I,
think
we
continue
to
work
on
processing
but
do
not
complete
and
actually
issue
an
application.
A
I
would
be
open
to
allowing
people
to
continue
to
file
an
application
just
knowing
that
it
is
not
going
to
be
completed
within
the
next
45
days
until
we
actually
have
enacted
whatever
it
is
that
we
are
going
to
enact
so
that
we're
we're
pausing
the
issuance
of
new
applications,
which
gives
us
a
chance
to
make
sure
that
if
any
of
those
new
applications
are
going
to
be
subject
to
some
rules,
that
would
be
different
than
existing
permit
holders
that
we
have
a
chance
to
do
that
in.
A
So
I
just
have
a
couple
thoughts
as
we
as
we
discuss
it
as
a
council.
The
first
thought
is,
is
you
know
I,
don't
know
about
the
neighborhood
densities?
You
guys
are
talking
about
because
I
don't
know
what
the
densities
are,
because
we
had.
We
had
condos
in
those
in
the
last
go
around,
so
they
may
be
very
different
than
what
we
looked
at
at
the
last
meeting.
I,
don't
know
what
those
densities
are
going
to
be
anymore.
A
A
If
we're
going
to
do
a
more
tournament,
it
sounds
like
we
have
three
votes
for.
That
is.
A
You
know
we
my
concern
is
we
may
change
the
application
process
if
we
go
to
an
A
and
B
permit
or
a
primary,
and
it's
like
you
know
the
whole
application
process,
may
change
and
and
I
don't
know
how
people
who
are
currently
I
think
we
heard
some
things
tonight
where
people
were
in
escrow
and
they
were
looking
at
how
they're
going
to
like
run
their
finances
on
the
house
and
things
of
that
nature.
A
That
would
work
out.
I
heard
the
mayor
say
that
we
won't
deny
them
any
permits,
but
the
question
is:
what
kind
of
permit
would
they
get
we
most
of
the
con?
This
Council,
that's
sitting
up
here,
has
had
very
especially
Jeff.
Councilmember
cores
has
had
very
in-depth
concentration
on
this
whole
issue.
We
in
45
days
may
see
a
brand
new
Council
and
we
may
not
be
the
people
sitting
up
here
to
Shepherd
this
through
the
process
is
my
concern.
A
So
if
I
were
to
do
any
moratorium,
it
would
not
be
for
45
days.
It
would
be
something
like
30
days
with
no
opportunity
for
an
extension
because
it
would,
and
if
staff
needs
to
bring
on
extra
help
to
do
that
which
they
may
well
do
I
would
say:
let's
authorize
that
to
happen,
but
that
would
be
that's
my
two
concerns
about
the
about
it
all
so
mystery
City
go
ahead.
A
One
comment
right,
though,
we're
I
think
about
59
or
60
days
from
when
there'll
be
a
new
Council
up
so
45
days,
but
still
we
on
the
15th,
we
won't
have
any.
We
might.
Sometimes
we
have
okay.
Sometimes
we
haven't,
but.
A
You
know
if,
if
we,
if
we
keep
processing
and
keep
taking
in
new
ones,
it's
gonna
be
very
hard
to
ever
get
a
sense
where
we
are
on
neighborhood
caps,
right
and
so
taking
a
pause
from
whatever
date.
I
might
go
earlier,
but
I
could
be
okay
with
today
and
we
brought
it
up.
You
know
the
last
meeting,
but
we
wanted
more
public
comment
before
we
decided
is
to
give
the
pause.
So
we
can
one
staff
to
focus
on.
A
You
know
what
we're
doing,
but
also
so
we
have
a
sense
on
what
the
neighborhoods
are
right.
If
you
know,
if
you
say
all
condos
and
apartments
which
I
was
initially
thinking,
don't
count
in
the
neighborhood
cap
right,
you
can
actually
have
a
lower
neighborhood
cap
in
a
lot
of
neighbor
right,
you're,
gonna
15
May
mean
you
know
some
of
the
neighborhoods
in
my
district.
That's
going
to
mean
you
know
right,
you're
going
to
lose
most
most
of
the
units
are
apartments
right,
so
in
a
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
and
condos.
A
But
I
think
obvi
I
think
it
takes
four
votes.
So
if
you
know
you
don't
support
a
moratorium,
I
don't
think
we
have
one
because
it
takes
four
fifths
and
there's
not
a
fifth.
So
it
takes
up
four
fourths
but
I
think
giving
that
that
pause
as
long
and
still
taking
applications.
A
So
we
have
a
better
sense
of
what
the
numbers
look
like
as
we're
making
a
decision
and
the
public
has.
That
makes
sense.
But
I
you
know.
Ultimately
it's
your
call
on
that.
So
would
the
can
I
ask
staff
a
question
if
Veronica
can
ask
you
a
question,
would
what
the
mayor
and
councilman,
of
course
suggested,
which
is
put
a
pause
but
still
take
applications?
A
I
heard
the
City
attorney
say
that
there
was
there's
a
burden
on
your
department
right
now,
a
pretty
heavy
burden.
Does
that
alleviate
that
at
all,
or
should
we
just
kind
of
freeze
it
for
30
days
or
and
give
you
breathing
room
to
do
the
research
you
need
to
do
the
moratorium
would
help
tremendously
right
now,
our
staff,
every
single
staff
member,
is
Fielding
phone
calls
taking
in
applications
responding
to
emails,
and
it
just
takes
a
tremendous
amount
of
time.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
City
attorney
can,
if
I
were
to
make
a
motion
for
a
30-day
moratorium
with
no
extension
is
that
a
possibility
by
state
law
or
no,
you
could
do
the
30
days.
It's
always
within
the
council
discretion
to
whether
or
not
to
extend
it
or
not.
You
can't
really
tie
the
hands
of
a
future
Council,
but
it
would
also
require
four-fifths
vote
as
this
one
does
so.
A
Essentially
one
of
you
could
stop
it
from
being
extended,
Beyond
30
days
as
a
practical
matter,
and
so
both
for
the
City
attorney
and
for
our
staff.
Veronica
is
30
days.
If
you
got
additional
help
going
to
give
you
enough
time
to
do
the
work,
you
think
you
need
to
do.
Can
you
bring
on
help
if
you
need
to.
A
I'm
trying
to
be
realistic
about
this
and
be
very
fair
of
everyone.
I,
don't
think
the
additional
help
would
really
benefit
us,
because
what
we
do
is
very
specialized,
so
the
amount
of
time
that
you
would
take
from
current
staff
to
train
additional
staff
might
end
up
costing
us
more
time.
Okay,
what
about
the
statistics
and
stuff
like
getting
what
how
many
apartments
and
all
you
know
that
all
that
stuff
that
Council
had
asked
for
is:
can
you
bring
on
a
demographer
or
whatever,
to
help
you
with
that
or
no?
A
We
can
look
at
that
for
sure.
That
would
definitely
help
and
Mr
City
attorney.
What
about
yourself
and
writing
the
ordinance
after
the
work
after
we've
had
it,
because
we
have
to
have
a
discussion
again
after
our
staff
has
brought
it
to
us
right,
we'll
have
to
have
a
discussion
and
then
we'll
have
to
move
into
another
meeting
to
approve
effort
to
something
unless
you
come
back
with
a
draft,
but
you
have
got
no
Direction,
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
really
think
realistically.
What's
her
time
frame
here,
are
we
beyond
December?
A
Are
we
if
I
I
think
that,
realistically,
based
on
the
discussion
tonight,
we
could
probably
bring
something
back
at
the
November
10th
meeting
with
enough
definiteness
that,
hopefully
the
council
could
at
least
introduce
that
type
of
an
ordinance
it
on
November
10th
and
that
could
then
be
adopted
either
on
November
29th
or,
if
there's
further
discussion
into
December?
If
the
council
needs
to
and
does
that
put
too
much
pressure
on
you,
I
mean
I
know
you
guys
are
at
the
Fielding
calls.
I
can
only
imagine
is
off
the
hook.
A
We
can
definitely
work
with
the
city
attorney
to
bring
that
back.
I
just
feel
that
if
we
rush
it,
it
won't
be
done
right,
right,
I
wish
I
could
ask
the
audience
questions,
but
I
would
I
would
entertain
a
motion.
Then
I'll
just
put
this
out
there
and
we'll
see
where
it
goes,
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
I
would
entertain
a
motion
of
a
30-day
moratorium
and
and
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
authorize
any
extra
work.
That's
needed
to
be
sourced
out,
if
need
be.
A
If
I
might
30
days
takes
us
to
I
believe
Saturday
November
26th
after
the
Saturday.
After
Thanksgiving
and
that,
if
we
were
to
add
a
few
days,
we
would
get
to
Tuesday
November
29th
when
we
are
scheduled
for
our
last
city
council
meeting
before
we
have
a
swearing-in
and
then
so
I
I
would
suggest.
A
Really,
if
we're
going
to
that,
we
extend
this
through
the
meeting
of
November
that
is
currently
scheduled
for
November
29th,
all
right,
I'm,
totally
happy
with
that,
and
then
then
the
last
question
I
have
I'm
sorry
to
ask
so
many
questions,
guys
and
I
hope
it
helps
you
in
the
audience
as
well.
A
If
we
do
that,
and
it
moved
into,
let's
say
it
did
move
into
December,
15th
I.
Think
the
council
member
Corey
said:
can
this
Council
still
kind
of
act
on
that
or
not?
A
There
will
be
some
action
items
that
this
Council
will
need
to
take
in
including
certifying
the
results
of
the
election,
and
so
there
will
be
an
opportunity
if
the
council
wishes
at
the
December
15th
meeting
to
to
take
action
on
this
type
of
ordinance.
Yes,
then
I'll
take
the
risky
move
and
I'll
say:
let's
go
for
a
mortarium
for
what
29
days
until
November,
until
until
the
day
after
our
second
meeting
in
November
right,
say:
November
30th,
all
right
right
now,
I'll,
second,
that
thank
you
all
right,
then
roll
call
please.
A
O
Tim
Gardner,
yes,
mayor,
Middleton,
aye,
Four,
Eyes,
zero
nose
and
one
abstentia
all
right.
Thank
you
right!
So
now
we
have
the
second
part
of
this,
which
is
a
discussion
around
specific
issues
and
and
let
me
give
Dennis
a
minute
I
think
we
need
to
get
our
colleague
back
and
but.
A
A
I'm,
hoping
is,
we
could
go
through
these
Point
by
point
and
see
how
quickly
we
can
either
come
to
consensus
or
not
come
to
consensus.
Yeah.
A
And
that
that's
what
you
need
to
draft
an
ordinance
I
assume
yes,
some
some
direction,
yes
and
staff
we
may,
on
many
of
these,
for
the
sake
of
of
getting
to
consensus
in
in
moving
the
conversation
forward,
have
some
numbers
that
have
some
flexibility
to
them,
or,
we
might
say,
15
to
20
or
other
variations
off
of
that,
knowing
that
that
allows
time
for
debate
to
continue
and
we'll
have
to
resolve
that
when
we
get
a
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
yeah,
those
those
can
be
easily
modified
at
first
reading.
A
A
A
What
I
was
suggesting
as
just
a
matter
of
how
we
go
through
this
is
we've
got
about
9
10
points
that
I
think
cover
everything
that's
been
talked
about
in
terms
of
Direction,
go
through
them,
one
by
one,
without
a
tremendous
amount
of
debate
and
just
try
to
see
where,
where
do
people
land
in
terms
of
conclusion,
if
we're
not
Landing
anywhere
close
to
the
same
place,
then
that's
something
that
staff
will
get,
but
on
all
of
these
we're
not
going
to
be
taking
votes,
we're
giving
direction,
and
there
may
be
some
flexibility
to
the
direction
that
we
give
in
order
to
allow
for
the
greater
debate
that
we
need
in
resolution
when
we
come
back
so
first,
one
that
I
have
here
is
a
limit
on
the
number
of
contracts
that
would
be
allowed
to
those
individuals
who
do
not
currently
have
a
permit
so
and
as
I
understand
it.
A
That's
the
2526
people
who
currently
have
a
permit
right
go
ahead
sure.
So
so,
if
we
make
that
we
can
make
that
current
as
of
people
have
permits
today
right,
in
other
words,
if
we're
going
to
have,
if
we're
gonna
grandparent
in
some
people
for
some
period
of
time
to
have
36
so
people,
because
they've
already
obviously
started
doing
rental
contracts
for
next
year.
A
Can
we
make
that
if,
in
the
ordinance
can
that
be
retroactive
to
the
people
who
had
permits
today
or
some
other
random
things?
Yes,
but
today
doesn't
seem
so
Random
because
we're
talking
about
it,
okay,
I,
don't
I,
think
I,
know
where
councilman
record
is
going
out
of
the
2500
permits
that
we
have
currently
I
know
for
a
fact
and
Veronica
may
or
may
not
know
several.
You
know
one
individual
May
hold
a
lot
of
them
because
they've
already
been
grandfathered
in.
A
They
may
actually
have
a
lot
of
homes
here
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
that
they
own
and
it's
their
business
right
per
se.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
any
need
to
grandfather,
something
like
that
and
I
think
we
need
the
statistics
to
understand
whether
to
do
that
or
not,
and
that
is
a
conversation
we
were
going
to
come
to.
But
this
is
just.
A
Do
we
limit
the
number
of
permits
for
those
who
do
not
currently
have
permits
and
then
we'll
talk
about
what
to
do
with
the
people
over
again
got
it?
Okay,
so
is
there
consensus
to
limit
the
number
of
permits
discussion?
Yes,
so
the
number
24
has
been
proposed
as
being
a
limit
for
anyone
who
currently
does
not
have
a
permit
and
again
for
the
public.
A
Any
number
we
give
tonight
is
not
absolutely
final
until
the
second
reading
has
been
passed
and
we're-
and
we
aren't
to
the
first
reading
yet
so
second
bullet
point
is
existing.
Permit
holders
would
get
36
contracts
for
the
next
two
calendar
years,
which
is
2023
and
2024,
and
then
it
would
revert
to
24
or
whatever
number
it
is
that
we
ultimately
agree
is
the
appropriate
number,
but
we
would
hold
them
in
place
for
the
next
two
years,
because
many
of
them
have
already
issued
a
substantial
number
of
contracts
for
the
next
two
years.
A
A
The
reason
I
say
that
we
don't
know
when
Coachella
is
going
to
be
next
year.
We
don't
know
when
the
stagecoach
so
I
find
that
hard
to
believe
I
mean
I'm.
Not
you
know
so.
I
just
think
it's
generous
Steph
is
that
a
diversity
that
you
can
accommodate
in
the
report.
A
Okay,
didn't
new
permit
holders
would
need
to
live
in
the
home
and
a
test
that
they
live
in
the
home
for
at
least
90
days
a
year
and
I
am
flexible
as
to
whether
90
is
the
appropriate
number
of
days,
but
that
they
would
need
to
live.
Definitely
for
some
period
of
time.
A
A
A
People
I
know
in
some
of
the
bigger
cities
right
you
have
to
show
their
places
we
have
to
show
you
know
boarding
passes
that
you
came
here
or
your
credit
card
receipts
that
show
you're
eating
restaurants
here
or
things
along
those
lines
that
could
be
checked
at
an
audit
they're.
You
know
confidential,
but
they
check
people's
checking
accounts
to
make
sure
they're.
Not
you
know
moving
and
people
they're
people
who
don't
pay
their
tot.
A
It's
just
I
mean
that
happens,
I
get
it
but
yeah
it's
just
it's
a
little
bit
bird
I
mean
if
I
were
a
vacation
rental
owner
I
would
like
you've
got
to
be
kidding
me
right
now,
right
with
giving
you
my
receipts
for
right.
I've
heard
other
cities
are
doing
I,
don't
know
about
that.
I,
don't
know
I
mean
I,
guess
I'm,
just
wondering
I
get
it,
but
I
I
I,
don't
want
this
to
be
overly
burdensome
on
staff
or
the
correct
vacation
rental.
A
Folks,
but
I
know
I
hear
you
I'm
just
and
it
may
just
be.
You
know
you're
testing
at
risk
of
your
license
and
yes,
some
people
may
try
and
lie,
but
you
know
at
least
we're
making
it
clear.
That's
the
expectation
that
you're
here
some
period
of
time,
and
maybe
it's
less
than
90
days.
A
Maybe
it's
point
if
it
is
that
we
want
those
folks
who
are
having
permits
in
the
future
to
actually
live
here
for
some
part
of
the
each
year
and
if
there's
a
better
way
of
proving
that
then
open
to
it.
Is
that
enough
to
get
started
yep
again,
the
concepts
is
what
we
need.
Okay-
and
you
know
I
know
some
issues
have
come
up
of.
You
know.
Do
we
have
like
with
llc's.
They
have
to
be
all
that
have
to
actually
be
real
people
right.
A
They
can't
be
a
business
so
because
some
people
have
said
oh
they're,
businesses
who
just
and
create
llc's
and
are
you
know
renting
out
the
house,
but
my
understanding
was
ours-
have
to
be
real
people
right,
because
you
only
can
have
one
financial
interest
in
a
vacation
rental
unless
you
had
that
before
2017
right
and
there
are
some
people
who
still
have
more
than
one
from
that.
That's
correct.
A
Okay,
that
helps.
So.
The
next
item
only
makes
sense
if
we
in
fact
put
something
in
place
that
requires
new
permit
holders
to
live
here
for
some
period
of
time
in
the
home,
because
this
would
be
a
requirement
that
current
permit
holders
who
have
no
obligation
to
live
in
the
home
at
some
point
in
time
in
the
future
would
be
required
to
be
in
residence
for
a
certain
number
of
days
each
year.
A
And
the
suggestion
would
be
that
they
would
have
something
on
the
order
of
five
to
ten
years
in
order
to
make
that
conversion
to
either
selling
the
property,
because
they
just
can't
get
to
the
point
that
they're
going
to
live
here
for
any
period
of
time
or
making
the
move
to
be
here
for
part
of
the
time
and
the
suggestion
around
five
to
ten
years
is
real
estate.
Markets
are
volatile
and
give
people
a
long
runway
in
which
to
make
that
decision
as
to
what
direction
do
they
want
to
go.
A
So
do
we
need
to
give
you
how
long
that
would
be,
since
we
haven't
yet
sorry
decided
that
we're
going
to
have
any
live
here?
Requirements
or
again
there'll
be
some
some
longer
period
of
time
for
people
with
existing
permits,
and
we
can
get
an
input
on
how
long
that
would
be
and
enough
time
to
think
about
it
and
hear
from
the
public
more.
A
We
can
bring
forward
draft
numbers
and
you
can
make
that
policy
decision
based
on
whatever
input
you
receive
and
decide.
Okay,
yeah
I
just
want
to
clarify
when
you
write
the
organs
it
has
to
be
Resonance
of
the
address
that
has
the
permit.
You
know,
I
think
that's
what's
really
important,
it's
the
address.
That
has
because
you
know
right,
correct
right.
That's
how
you
stop
so
the
next
one
to
lead
into
it
is
in
one.
A
It
would
not
apply
to
HOAs
where
the
HOA
is
homeowner
directed,
but
would
apply
to
an
HOA
that
is
developer
directed
and
in
that
we
would
be
limiting
the
neighborhood
cap
to
somewhere
in
the
vicinity
of
15
to
20
percent.
But,
as
we
all
know,
the
math
on
this
is
going
to
change
as
staff
goes
back
and
revisits.
A
The
reports
that
were
produced
for
the
original
vacation
rental
information
that
included
all
of
those
homes
and
council
member
course
so
just
Veronica,
do
you
have
the
information
to
be
able
to
pull
out
HOAs
and
also,
and
then
Apartments,
because
that's
always
been
a
challenge.
I
know
to
get
the
actual
apartment
numbers.
A
We
have
yeah,
that's
right
talking
with
our
GIS
after
our
last
council
meeting,
they
recommended
that
we
work
together,
maybe
from
what
they
said,
take
an
aerial
image
of
our
of
our
city
and
even
mentioned
that
when
it
comes
to
apartments
or
even
Condominiums,
really
have
to
do
like
on-site
business
to
really
get
a
true
Count
of
how
many
units
are
in
the
apartments,
how
many
units
are
in
the
Condominiums,
so
in
fact
it
will
take
some
leg
work
with
staff,
but
we
we
have
the
the
pathway
to
do
that,
but
really
to
help
get
Apartments
identified
and
actually
how
many
are
in
those
household
counts
in
the
city.
A
I
appreciate
that
give
it
given
that
it
may
make
sense
just
to
use
the
data
we
we
have
sort
of
on
the
total
housing
units
per
neighborhood,
because
to
start
doing,
site
visits
to
everything
that
might
be
in
apartment
building
and
then
figure
out
if
it's
a
condo
or
an
apartment
building
sounds
like
a
major
task:
s
I'm,
okay,
with
homeowner
controlled
HOAs,
making
their
own
rules
because
they're
going
to
be
contained
and
they're,
not
gonna
they're
having
impact
on
each
other
that
I'm
fine
with,
but
I
would
probably
keep
the
numbers
we
had
of
total
housing
units.
A
That
makes
sense
to
me,
but
what
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
do-
and
this
will
definitely
be
something
for
the
new
council
is
to
take
and
look
at
that
in
terms
of,
is
that
information
that
we
can
develop
in
a
realistic
way?
And
if
we
can,
then
let's
do
so
so
that
a
future
Council
can
take
a
look
at.
Do
we
need
to
make
any
adjustments
to
to
what
these
rules
are?
A
A
A
contract
but
I
know
that
when
I
access
the
gis
it's
esri's
there
so,
but
as
far
as
the
contract
I
can't
get
into
any
details
about
right
could
I
ask
Flynn.
Do
we
have
I,
thankfully,
might
know
that
in
planning?
Actually
I.T
is
the
one
that
managed
the
contract
with
esri,
but
they
are
our
GIS
provider
there.
So
they
probably
have
some
information
and
our
housing
element.
A
You
know
if
it's
an
A,
B,
A,
C
or
D,
or
if
it's
on
I,
know
I,
think
the
information
is
there,
even
if
it's
not
completely
100
accurate
I
think
it
gives
us
a
a
good
feel
so
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
work
with
Veronica
and
Patrick
in
in
great
providing
those
numbers
to
council.
Thank
you
so
we're
making
progress
next.
A
One
is
the
idea
of
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
call
it
a
junior
permit
or
a
Class
B
permit,
but
a
permit
that
would
in
the
numbers
that
I've
seen
allow
somewhere
between
6
and
12
Rentals
open
to
anyone
not
subject
to
any
caps,
and
the
fees
would
be
at
half
price
and
the
idea
is
to
make
it
possible
for
to
the
extent
we
can
our
residents
to
have
an
opportunity
to
participate
in
what
oftentimes
is
a
really
lucrative
market
and
a
necessary
one
and
it'd
be
great
for
the
staff
who
works
on
this.
A
To
give
some
thought
on
what
we
call
them
right.
It's
what
you
hear,
people
talking
about
and
we'll
get
input
from
the
public
on
that
number.
We
can
then
make
that
that
call
I
think
makes
sense.
A
So
the
next
one
is
kind
of.
Is
it
actually
a
no,
and
that
is
that
we
would
not
have
a
cap
of
total
number
of
permits
city-wide
and
the
reasoning
for
that
being
that
we
want
to
make
it
possible
for
individuals
who
are
newcomers
to
to
come
into
the
market.
And
if
we
were
to
impose
a
city-wide
cap,
we
could
go
a
number
of
years
without
anyone
being
able
to
participate.
A
Is
that
I'm,
saying
okay,
the
last
one
is
one
I
did
not
mention
in
the
earlier
at
the
start
of
the
day,
but
we
did
hear
from
a
number
of
individuals
that
we
should
set
a
defined
period
of
time,
such
as
two
years
for
city
council
to
come
back
and
revisit
this.
A
Obviously,
if
we
were
to
pass
something
like
that
in
the
last
days
of
this
city
council,
the
next
city
council
could
reject
it,
but
we
would
certainly
get
out
to
the
public
that
that
we
have
the
idea
of
sitting
down
and
revisiting
this
and
give
staff
direction
that
to
expect
that
kind
of
revision.
A
At
the
very
least,
you
know
study
session,
so
we
can
get
input
movers
on
Council
get
input
from
the
public,
yeah
I.
Think
that
makes
sense.
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
add
was
your
comment
about
using
the
permits.
So
if
anyone
has
a
permit,
then
they
should
actually
be
using
the
permit.
No
one
should
be
holding
on
to
a
permit
just
so
that
someone
else
can't
get
it
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
want
to
track
that,
but
yeah
I
mean
it
should
be
used,
yeah
some
ideas
right.
A
You
know
if
you're
not,
you
know,
and
you
have
to
submit
contracts,
obviously
ahead
of
time.
So
if
people
aren't
you
know
renting,
you
know
whatever
number
six
or
more
for
the
main
permit.
A
You
know
they
would
automatically
go
down
to
the
small
permit
right
right
or
something
like
that.
Is
that
enough,
and
so
you
know,
if
you
both
give
some
thought
to
how
that
might
work.
Yeah
I,
think
that
makes
sense.
I
have
a
couple
others
that
I
just
wanted
to
raise.
One
I
raised
earlier,
which
is.
A
You
can't
also
rent
it
out
for
compensation
as
an
event
house,
where
you're
having
you
know
more
people
than
you'd
be
allowed
to
have
in
a
vacation
rental,
because
that's
just
adding
more
use
right
events.
Definitely
you
know
when
people
have
events
at
their
house
blocks
away,
I
hear
them
I'm,
fine
with
it,
because
it's
not
that
often,
but
there
are
people
who
are
running
out
their
house
I
think
a
decent
amount.
A
lot
of
them
aren't
applying
for
permit.
A
So
we
need
to
also
give
maybe
the
department
the
the
tools
they
need
on
those
as
well,
because
you
don't
need
a
permit
if
you're
having
your
own
party
or
you're
donating
it
to
a
non-profit,
but
if
you're
getting
compensation,
even
if
you're
there,
you
need
to
have
a
permit
and
your
neighbors
need
to
be
notified
and
I.
Think
mixing
those
with
a
vacation
rental
is
when
it
really
starts
getting
a
lot
for
folks.
A
So
I'd
like
to
see
that
one
of
the
issues
I
know
from
staff
and
with
the
new
software
we're
going
to
have
getting
the
contracts
submitted
ahead
of
time,
which
is
how
we
know
if
you're
actually
renting
it
on
a
vacation
rental
right
that
there
needs
to
be
a
stronger
penalty
for
that,
because
those
are
ones
where,
of
course,
if
the
city
doesn't
know
about
it
and
you
get
away
with
it,
you're
not
paying
tot
it's
not
counting
as
one
of
your
contracts,
so
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
being
more
in
you
know,
you're
breaking
that
rule
it
has
to
be
sort
of
in
the
it's
more
than
just
a
strike
right.
A
A
Anything
else
from
anyone
we've
gone
through
my
list.
The
other
thing
I
might
add
is
that
we
talked
about
reviewing
and
the
the
number
of
contracts
you
can
get
we
haven't
really
did
we
want
to
add.
Maybe
also
you
know
just
as
discussed
in
the
number
of
days,
because
you
know
a
contract
can
be.
A
You
know
27
days
right
and
you
could
have
24
27
day,
rentals
right,
I'm,
just
curious.
If
we
want
to
talk
about
that
part
as
well
yeah.
So
the
reason
we
I
think
we're
the
first
that
he'd
ever
do
contracts
and
the
reason
we
came
up
with
it
was:
let's
say
you
did
180
days,
let's
say
right:
half
the
year
that
would
be
every
weekend
and
that's
a
lot
for
people,
especially
part-time
people
who
come
out
and
use
their
homes
on
weekends
and
I.
A
Think
the
average
is
now
four
to
five
days,
it's
longer
contracts
and
that
you
know
actually
tends
to
be
less
intrusive
than
people
are
coming
to
party
for
a
weekend.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
do
days
at
the
time.
Just
for
from
the
history
point
of
view.
You
know
you
can
do
a
28
day,
so
you
know,
if
someone's
usually
coming
for
three
weeks
or
a
month,
you're
more
likely
to
get
to
know
them
you're.
A
You
know
it's
different
than
someone
coming
for
two
nights,
I
think
so
that
was
the
reasoning
not
that
we
can't
revisit
it.
Oh
good!
That's
what
I
put
it
out
there:
okay,
yeah
right
and
staff.
Do
you
have
everything
that
you
need
I'm?
Sorry?
What
was
that
last
one
that
I
know
eek
we're
not
going
to
pursue
it?
I,
don't
think.
Okay.
A
All
right
so
again
to
everyone
in
the
public
we've
given
substantial
direction
to
staff,
but
we've
left
an
awful
lot
of
things
to
be
resolved
at
the
next
meeting
that
we
will
have,
which
will
be
a
first
reading,
and
we
will
explore
what
are
the
specific
numbers
that
we
need
to
attach
to
each
one,
and
these
and
you've
been
very
good
at
sending
emails
and
making
phone
calls
and
we're
looking
forward
to
continuing
to
receive
them.
A
Thank
you
with
that
do
do
we
need
a
break
before
we
go
okay,
so
we're
going
to
take
another.
A
Do
we
have
any
non-public
non-agenda
public
comment?
Yes,
I
think
we
have
one
non-agenda.
We
have
one
non-agenda
public
comment.
Then
let's
go
ahead
and
try
to
take
that
now
or
do
you
want
to
take
it
when
we
get
back
when
we
get
back
I
I
heard
that
we're
going
to
take
a
10
minute
break
and
we
will
be
back.
A
I
I
think
I
understand
what
the
council
wanted
in
terms
of
the
starting
point
of
the
moratorium
for
the
that
was
adopted
earlier.
I
believe
the
council's
intention
was
that
it
be
effective
today,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
for
the
record.
So
if,
if
there's
a
different
date,
then
it
would
be
appropriate
for
the
council
to
clarify
that.
Actually,
there
is
a
point
of
clarification
with
with
the
folks
outside
as
well
the
moratorium.
A
My
proposal
had
been
today,
but
the
question
also
remains
is
the
applications
that
are
currently
in
process.
Would
those
still
be
processed
during
this
time
or
would
those
also
be
on
pause?
Those
would
be
on
pause
under
the
ordinance.
Yes
under
the
moratorium.
Yes,
okay,
so
then
there
would
be
a
delay
in
folks
getting
their
applications
approved
correct
and
since
the
there's
no
proposal
for
an
overall
Citywide
cap,
it
may
not
be
as
relevant,
but
for
sake
of
clarification,
we
think
it's
important
to
have.
Have
this
point
clarified.
A
A
I'm
I
think,
given
it
sounds
like
you
know,
most
of
the
concern,
because
lots
of
people
weren't
needing
it
right
now
they
were
applying
and
given
it
sounds
like
a
total
cap
is
off
the
table.
45
days,
you'll
be
able
to
get
them,
seems
okay,
but
I'm
open
to
other
like
if
we're
doing
a
total
cap
I
would
get
it
they
want
to
get
in
before
that
one
in
place,
but
I
think
the
concern
that
I
was
hearing
was
just
the
timing
of
it.
A
How
long
it
will
take
to
get
the
how
much
longer
they
have
to
wait.
I
think
we've
pretty
well
been
established.
The
the
in
the
last
meeting
in
November
is
when
we
need
to
get
this
done,
but
yeah
I
think
for
staff
direction
is
once
we
we
start
again
to
do
them
in
the
order
received.
So
the
people
who
have
already
applied
are
getting
them
before
new
people
if
that
might
help
folks,
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
So
with
that
and
we
we
will
welcome
councilmember
hostage
back.
A
Thank
you
for
your
patience
as
we.
So
the
next
item
is
going
to
be
non-public
agenda
or
non-agenda
public
comment.
A
A
After
my
being
in
Palm
Springs
California
one
year,
Trey
Lynn
Davis
at
Riverside,
County
Register
of
Voters
States
I
need
a
residential
address
to
complete
my
voter
registration.
I
have
registered
three
times
with
appropriate
papers.
I
will
not
register
again.
I
fill
the
registration
numbers
are
turning
fraudulent.
A
The
last
registration
was
February
19
2022
by
Greg
waleski
Denver
Colorado
number
59,
CT
443751,
the
Riverside
County
Registrar
voters,
States
I
have
to
go
to
Riverside
County
Register
of
Voters
Maps
Department
office,
pinpoint
on
a
map
where
I
am
at
and
they
will
sign
me
a
special
code
today.
I
ask
for
an
appointment
with
your
federal
or
state
of
California
liaison
to
help
me
resolve
this
issue.
Next.
A
Computer
13.,
when
I
complained,
the
state
of
California
stated
it
is
the
fed's
vendor
office
and
they
do
not
get
involved
in
the
operations
of
a
local
office
India
when
I
asked
them.
Riverside
County,
Workforce,
Development,
Center
States,
it's
the
state
of
California's
computer
program
and
they
can't
touch
it.
Today.
Again,
I
asked
for
an
appointment
with
your
federal
or
state
of
California
liaison
to
address
and
resolve
this
fraud
issue
before
you
bring
this
program
or
something
similar
to
Palm
Springs.
A
No
other
further
comment.
Okay,
no
further
comments.
We
will
move
on
with
our
regularly
scheduled
agenda.
The
next
item
is
a
public
hearing
and
that
is
2A
to
consider
an
application
by
Carlos
Serrano
and
Monica
May
owners
for
a
historic
designation
of
the
Robson
Chambers
residence
located
at
695
Warm
Sands
Drive
I
have
a
staff
report.
Please.
A
A
Madame
mayor
mayor,
Pro,
tem
and
members
of
the
city
council
I'll
go
ahead
and
begin
the
staff
report
Madam
mayor.
If
you
don't
mind,
this
is
item
2A,
which
is
relative
to
amendments
to
Senate,
Bill
9,
which
deals
with
Urban
lot
splits
and
two
unit
development,
because
it's
been
some
time
since
we've
addressed
this
issue
at
city,
council
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
on
where
we've
been
and
what
this
ordinance
is
about.
A
First
of
all,
Senate
Bill
9
was
signed
into
law
in
September
of
last
year
and
became
effective
in
January
our
city,
as
well
as
many
other
cities
around
the
state
of
California
adopted
regulations
to
implement
Senate
Bill
9
in
our
own
jurisdictions.
We
did
that
back
in
January
of
this
year.
What
Senate
Bill
9
does
is
it
requires
staff
level
or
administrative
approval
of
the
following
two
types
of
applications.
A
I've
done
illustrations
just
to
show
you
what
this
might
look
like
using
existing
Lots
within
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
in
terms
of
an
urban
lot
split.
What
we
would
typically
see
is
an
example
such
as
the
one
I've
got
up
on
the
screen,
which
is
a
lot
that
has
greater
depth
than
width,
and
so
it
would
most
likely
be
what
we
call
a
front
back
lot
split
or
the
creation
of
a
flag
lot,
giving
access
to
a
parcel
behind
an
existing
residence.
A
I'll
go
through
the
proposed
changes
with
you
and
again.
These
are
intended
to
facilitate
the
development
of
housing
under
the
ordinance
one
of
the
first
and
most
important
things
that
the
subcommittee
discussed
and
the
Planning
Commission
considered
was
relative
to
the
square
footage
limitation
for
any
units
that
are
developed
under
the
urban
lot
split
or
two-unit
development.
A
The
Planning
Commission
further
refined
this,
and
in
looking
at
two
unit
development,
where
you'd
be
able
to
develop
two
units
on
a
single
family
lot,
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
a
maximum
of
1500
square
feet
for
the
first
unit
and
then
a
maximum
of
thousand
square
feet
for
the
second
unit.
That
would
then
be
developed
on
the
lot.
A
We
also
looked
at
other
amendments
to
the
ordinance
that
would
help
facilitate
development
under
the
ordinance,
and
so
these
would
include
the
following
number.
One
is
to
allow
access
easements
instead
of
the
flight
flag,
lot
configuration
or,
in
addition
to
the
flag,
lot
configuration
greater
flexibility
relative
to
the
expansion
of
any
existing
dwelling
on
a
lot
that
is
impacted
by
the
two
unit
development
or
the
urban
lot
split.
A
They
also
recommended
allowing
tandem
parking
on
these
lots
that
are
created
allowing
swimming
pools
and
front
yard
setbacks
if
any
swimming
pools
are
developed
very
similar
to
what
we
allow
in
our
single
family,
Zone
districts
currently,
and
then
also
allowing
zero
lot
line
configurations
for
urban
lot
split
situations,
and
let
me
just
give
you
an
example
of
that.
This
is
using
a
standard
lot
size
in
the
desert,
island,
Gateway
neighborhood,
and
this
anticipates
that
there
are
no
existing
dwellings
on
the
lot.
A
And
so,
for
those
reasons,
the
Planning
Commission
has
recommended
approval
of
allowing
zero
lot
line
configurations
for
the
urban
lot
split.
Now.
This
would
not
be
permissible
where
you're
adjacent
to
an
existing
residence
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear.
It's
only
on
the
interior
lot
line
of
an
urban
lot
split
that
that
would
be
permissible
in
addition
to
looking
at
modifications
that
would
allow
for
or
encourage
development.
Under
this
ordinance,
they
also
looked
at
modifications
that
would
help
to
protect
neighborhood
character.
A
A
Visual
impact
of
garage
doors,
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
there
in
the
standards
and
then
they
also
looked
at
modifications
to
the
landscape
standards
to
allow
greater
range
of
plant
sizes
to
address
privacy
on
adjacent
lots
and
then
also
to
provide
shade
for
the
residences
that
would
be
developed
under
this
or
ordinance.
So
those
are
the
things
that
were
proposed
to
be
modified
based
on
protecting
neighborhood
character.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Relative
to
the
proposed
amendments
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
about
the
proposed
amendments.
A
Flynn
I
don't
have
a
question
but
I'm
not
seeing
any
other
questions
so
I'm
gonna.
Okay,
then
council,
member
Woods.
A
You
know
on
page
three
we
talked
about
it
briefly,
but
I
just
want
clarification.
It
says,
prohibit
second
floor
balconies
to
preserve
privacy.
A
So
when
would
a
second
floor,
be
allowed
we're
on
page
three
bullet
point
four
of
the
staff
report.
So
when
would
us
a
second
floor
be
allowed?
Certainly,
let
me
go
ahead
and
address
that
question
under
state
law.
We
do
have
to
allow
for
second
floors
on
residential
units
that
may
be
created
under
this
ordinance,
but
only
under
certain
circumstances,
and
that
circumstance
in
particular,
is
where
the
lot
that's
created
under
an
urban
lot
split
is
less
than
2
000
square
feet.
A
Looking
at
our
existing
Lots
here
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
we
have
rather
large
lot
sizes
and
so
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
any
Lots
currently,
if
processed
under
an
urban
lot
split.
That
would
result
in
a
lot
of
less
than
2
000
square
feet.
So
it's
very
unlikely
that
we
would
see
two-story
units,
but
just
to
be
on
the
safe
side.
The
Planning
Commission
had
recommended
that
we
prohibit
Second
Story
balconies.
If
that
situation
should
ever
occur.
But
again
it's
highly
unlikely
based
on
the
existing
lot
sizes
here
in
Palm
Springs.
A
The
other
question
I,
have
it
says:
revise
the
bull
if
you
go
further
down
in
the
bullet
points
is
revise
the
Privacy
centers
for
windows
and
doors
inside
and
rear
yard
areas
to
require
fencing
or
Landscaping
screaming
screening.
We
there's
many
incidents
or
examples
where
we
don't
require
that
now.
So
you
know,
if
you
have
a
side
yard
you're
saying
in
the
backyard
in
the
side
yard,
you
can't
have
Windows
unless
you
have
a
fence.
Is
that
what
it's
saying?
That's?
A
What
our
original
ordinance
had
stated
that
it
only
allowed
clear
story,
windows
or
obscure
glass?
If
you
were
anywhere
within
30
feet
of
a
side
or
a
rear
property
line,
the
Planning
Commission
subcommittee
felt
that
that
was
overly
restrictive
and
that
there
are
better
ways
to
preserve
privacy
without
going
to
that
extreme
in
terms
of
the
requirement
for
either
windows
that
are
higher
up
or
again
using
some
type
of
obscure
glass,
and
so
what
they're
recommending
is
that
a
six
foot
privacy
fence
be
installed
and
or
landscaping.
That's
at
least
six
feet
in
height.
A
Be
installed
at
a
common
property
line
with
any
existing
residence
to
the
side
or
the
rear,
okay,
great
and
then
the
other
bullet
point
was
restrict
the
width
of
garage
doors
as
a
percentage
of
the
overall
facade
and
I.
Think
that
in
the
when
you
read
the
text
that
was
50
of
the
lot,
was
it
not
less
than
50
percent
of
the
overall
Frontage
of
the
residents?
That's
substantial
it
going
back
to
the
size
of
the
lots
that
would
be
created
under
this
ordinance.
A
So
in
that
situation,
if
you
have
a
two-car
garage
in
a
residence,
that's
30
feet
wide.
Typically,
two
car
garages
are
between
20
feet
to
24
feet
in
width
that
would
dominate
the
front
facade
of
the
residence,
and
so
what
we're
recommending
is
that
the
garage
beat
not
more
than
50
percent
of
that
Frontage.
So
on
a
24
foot
wide
residence,
it
would
need
to
be
12
feet
or
less
so
that
way
the
portion
of
the
unit.
A
That's
the
dwelling
space
or
the
habitable
space
is
greater
than
the
garage
Frontage,
so
we
went
to
like
40.
It
would
almost
make
that
driveway
too
narrow,
then
on
a
25
foot,
correct,
got
it
correct,
and
so
we
have
to
be
very
careful
as
we
look
at
those
numbers
while
trying
to
protect
the
character
of
the
the
dwellings
that
are
created
under
the
ordinance
great.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
A
Flynn
I
just
want
to
congratulate
you,
staff
and
Planning
Commission
for
doing
an
outstanding
piece
of
work
and
make
note
that
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
in
Palm
Springs
is
make
sb9
work
and
they're
is
in
many
municipalities
a
great
degree
of
controversy
attached
to
this,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
would
ask.
Is
that
staff
come
back
in
a
period
of
time,
I'm
thinking,
12,
18
months
and
report
back
to
us
on
what's
actually
happened.
How
many
of
these
units
have
been
built?
A
Where
are
they
being
built?
Are
we've
done
everything
that
we
possibly
can
at
from
what
I
see
to
to
make
this
work?
Is
it
in
fact,
supplementing
the
housing
Supply
that
we
need
and,
most
importantly,
supplementing
the
housing
supply
of
of
those
who
are
working?
A
Families
I
will
tell
you
I've
heard
I,
don't
know
how
many
different
comments
from
colleagues
around
the
state,
but
the
one
that
has
really
stuck
with
me
is
so
much
of
what
this
has
done
in
terms
of
broad
legislation
is
every
illegal
garage
conversion
has
now
a
legal
Adu.
A
Basically
and
Lisa
this
might
be
a
mayor.
This
might
be
a
question
for
you,
I,
don't
think
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
has
Headway,
that
is,
for
bus
Headway.
That
is
15
minutes
during
peak
hours.
We
don't
have
anything
near
that.
Do
we
here
in
Palm
Springs
come
again,
we
don't
have
any,
but
for
buses
bus
service,
we
don't
have
any
intervals
of
less
than
15
minutes
everything's
longer
than
15
minutes.
I!
Think
it's
45
45
minutes.
A
And
so
I
don't
think
we
do,
but
I
I
wouldn't
go
so
far
as
to
say
definitely
no
okay,
Flynn
on
page
21,
the
only
thing
that
I
21
page
21,
C3
no
second
floor.
Balconies
I,
have
seen
great
examples
where
the
balcony
doesn't
face
the
neighbor,
but
it
faces
the
houses
being
built
and
like
great
Courtyards
and
they
grow
Bougainvillea
and
Wisteria,
whatever
they
grow
and
I
just
think.
A
complete
prohibition
on
on
that
and
I
I
would
ask
and
I
would
ask
your
opinion
on.
A
It
is
just
to
refine
that
a
little
more
of
where
the
balcony
might
not
be
allowed
where
it
looks
maybe
into
a
neighbor's
yard.
You
know
something
like
that:
I
I've
seen
great
examples
of
little
Courtyard
buildings
with
second
floors
that
are
little
Cinderella,
balconies
or
whatever.
If
the
council
wishes,
we
could
modify
that
language
there
to
achieve
what
you've
just
described,
councilmember
woods
and
come
back
at
second
reading
with
that.
Just
that
revised
language.
A
So
with
that
I
would
make
them.
If
there's
any
word,
did
you
have
Pacific?
Actually,
this
is
a
public
hearing,
so
I
need
before
we
move
to
motions
to
ask.
If
there
is
any
member
of
the
public
who'd
like
to
make
public
comment.
A
So
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve,
with
the
one
change
I
mentioned
about
a
potential
of
a
second
floor
balcony,
where
it
doesn't
impact
the
adjacent
property
and
as
I
understand
it,
those
balconies
could
be
approved
but
would
not
be
required
to
be
approved.
Is
that
correct
right?
Okay,.
A
I'll,
second,
that
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
roll
call,
please
councilmember
Woods,
yes,
Tim
Garner,
yes,
council,
member
hostage,
yes,
council,
member
Coors,
yes,
mayor,
Middleton,
aye,
five
I,
zero
news:
okay,
I
need
to
read
the
title
request
for
amendments
to
Palm
Springs,
Municipal,
Code,
section
962055,.
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
item
2B,
which
is
a
request
by
kesa
Verona
for
a
change
of
Zone
to
undeveloped,
an
undeveloped,
6.44
acre
parcel
staff
report,
please
good
evening,
Madam,
mayor
and
members
of
council.
This
is
a
request
by
Mark
Temple
for
a
change
of
Zone
and
tentative
tract
map
for
a
6.44
acre
vacant
parcel
of
land
located
at
the
easterly
Terminus
of
Verona
Road.
A
A
The
general
plan
identifies
the
site
as
low
density
resident
residential
with
the
Whitewater
wash
to
the
north
and
east
designated
as
open
space
and
the
residential
development
of
the
Gene
Autry
neighborhood
to
the
West
designated
as
very
low
density,
residential
and
the
Palm
Springs
Country
Club
as
a
medium
density,
residential.
The
low
density
residential
designation
that
is
on
this
property
allows
a
density
of
4.1
to
6
dwelling
units
per
acre.
A
Those
changes
were
adopted
by
the
council
in
2019,
and
this
is
the
first
r1e
zone
change
that
the
council
is
considering
since
once
again,
the
tracked
map
proposes
31
lots
and
is
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
designation
as
amended.
The
applicant
will
improve
Verona
Road
from
its
Terminus
and
along
the
frontage
of
the
development
to
the
Whitewater
Channel
and
will
build
out
an
internal
Road
Network
to
City
standard
with
sidewalks
and
curbs
and
gutters.
A
A
Although
the
change
of
Zone
and
tentative
tract
map
actions
before
the
council
tonight
are
not
for
site
plan
approval
or
for
the
setting
of
individual
homes,
the
applicant
has
provided
an
illustrative
map
showing
how
development
and
Landscaping
could
occur
on
the
site.
As
you
can
see,
all
Lots
will
meet
the
minimum
50-foot
width
requirement
of
the
R1
e
Zone
and
will
generally
be
5300
to
5400
square
feet
in
size.
A
This
would
allow
the
garage
to
actually
be
recessed
behind
the
the
residential
portion
of
the
development
and
would,
in
some
ways,
help
to
screen
the
garage
and
not
sort
of
create
that
experience
of
the
street
of
sort
of
a
bunch
of
garages
in
a
row
in
support
of
the
application.
A
sqa
initial
study
was
completed
and
a
mitigate
mitigated.
Negative
Declaration
was
recommended.
The
mitigation
measures
were
related
to
biological
matters
around
the
protection
of
wildlife,
including
burrowing
owls.
Before
and
during
construction.
A
Following
a
hearing
on
September
14th,
the
Planning
Commission
voted
and
supported
the
applications
by
a
vote
of
six
to
zero.
Finding
that
the
requests
were
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
appropriate
for
the
site.
The
commission
has
recommended
approval
by
the
city
council,
which
is
also
staff's
recommendation
for
tonight,
and
that
pardon
me
concludes
my
presentation.
The
applicant
Mark
Temple
is
here
tonight
also
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
council
may
have.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Are
there
questions
for
Council
for
staff?
A
Our
council
member
Woods
can't
help
myself,
so
you
know,
I
had
sent
you
ahead
of
time
our
zoning
regulations
about
where
the
driveway
has
to
be.
Can
you
just
speak
to
us
a
little
bit
about
that
sure
and
the
presentation
is
gone,
but
on
that
illustrative
map
that
a
plan
that
had
been
had
been
prepared?
You
know
the
applicant
hasn't
gone
through
the
process
of
determining
where
the
driveway
would
go.
But
you
know
just
when
you're
laying
out
the
location
of
a
home,
and
he
can
speak
more
to
this
in
a
minute.
A
It
would
be
at
the
side
of
of
the
development
just
because
of
how
all
of
the
development
standards
work
together
and
because
that
just
kind
of
makes
sense
when
you're
designing
the
placement
of
a
home,
so
I
know
there
was
concern
about
whether
the
driveway
could
be
in
the
middle
of
the
lot.
That
just
doesn't
really
make
sense
and
so
illustratively,
although
he's
still
going
through
the
process
of
finalizing
the
driveway
and
the
garages,
are
shown
at
the
the
side
of
of
the
the
proposed
Lots.
So
I
I.
A
What
I
was
concerned
about,
if
we
have
to
put
anything
in
the
track,
map
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
do
that,
yet
that
our
code
didn't
allow
that
that
it
had
to
be
like
in
the
middle
of
the
lot,
and
that
was
a
concern
I
had
and
reading
the
code
that
we
have,
these
narrow
lots
and
it
will
be
in
the
middle
of
every
lot-
would
be
a
driveway
and
that
will
not
be
good,
Urban
form,
I
and
I.
A
If
I
read
that
wrong,
that's
why
I
had
highlighted
it
in
orange
or
yellow
whatever
I
it
garages
I'm.
Sorry
give
me
a
minute
to
turn
into
that.
I!
Don't
have
an
answer
to
that
at
this
okay.
My
point
of
that
was
you
get
a
garage.
If
I
read
the
code
right
and
I
read
it
very
quickly,
you
would
get
a
garage
you'd
get
a
driveway
in
the
middle
of
every
lot.
A
So
that's
was
that's
my
whole
goal
of
asking
these
questions
is
not
to
have
that
and
my
understanding
is
that
with
the
r1e
designation
and
the
zero
lot
line
that
is
permitted
through
that
designation,
you
can
reduce
the
side
yard
requirements
for
the
building
and
for
the
driveway
to
address
the
issue
that
you
are
talking
about.
Typically,
it
would
be
a
six
foot
side
yard
in
this
case
on
one
side
of
the
building.
A
You
can
reduce
that
down
to
zero
as
long
as
you're
increasing
it
by
a
corresponding
amount
on
the
other
side
of
the
building,
which
is
what
the
applicant
has
shown
in
their
illustrative
plans.
So
they
are
showing
the
buildings
closer
to
one
side
of
the
lot,
with
an
increased
side
yard
on
the
corresponding
other
side,
which
I
would
agree
with
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
conflict
with
our
code.
That
says
the
driveway
can't
be
that
close
to
the
lot
line.
I
believe
the
r1e
designation
does
all
right.
A
Okay,
I
I
find
it
interesting
that
the
correct
the
I'm
looking
to
Flynn
for
confirmation.
Okay,
all
right
so
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
yeah,
because
you
know
other
words,
you
really
reduce
your
on-site
parking
you
just
it's
all
concrete
with
one
tree,
and
it's
just
you
know
it's
this
I,
don't
think
that's
what
we
want.
It's
and
I
would
ask
the
applicant
I,
guess
then
into
the
next
question,
but
the
other.
A
The
last
question
for
staff
is:
is
that
the
wash
where
CV
link
is
going
to
be?
Do
we
know
I'm,
not
aware
of
of
a
plan
for
CV
Link
in
that
particular
location?
A
The
applicant
is
nodding
his
head,
it
is
so
will
the
cul-de-sacs
have
access
to
the
CV
link?
Perhaps
the
applicant
can
speak
to
that
right.
Great.
Thank
you,
I'll.
Thank
you,
I'll.
Let
the
council
ask
other
any
other
questions
for
staff
Mr
Temple.
If
you're.
A
Did
you
address
the
CV
link
access?
Yes
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members
I
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration
the
CV
link
does
run
across
the
channel
there.
There
is
some
height
differences,
so
I'm,
not
too
sure
you
know
how
that's
going
to
access
or
not
in
that
area,
I,
just
not
too
sure
on
the
engineering
side
of
it,
but
it
might
be
something
in
the
conditions
with
engineering
I
know,
there's
a
you
know.
A
Pretty
good
list
of
conditions
on
the
approval
that's
being
presented
would
be
something
you'd
be
willing
to
explore.
To
have
that
other
words,
you
got
to
go
around
and
find
the
access
point,
and
then
it
makes
the
whole
yes
an
advantage
to
the
community
there
too.
So
it's
kind
of
a
win-win.
If
there's
some
way
to
to
kind
of
make
that
happen
and
your
sorry,
just
real,
quick
I
need
to
declare.
We've
opened
the
public
hearing
before
we
start
taking
testimony
from
from
the
outside
my
air.
Please
go
ahead.
A
Yeah
we've
now
opened
every
now
over
Okay
I
noticed
on
your
illustration.
You
did
not
show
zero
lot
line.
You
do
not
plan
on
doing
zero.
A
lot
liner,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
totally
been
determined
yet
part
of
it
is
to
you
know
once
we
know
the
lot
size
and
the
lot
count,
then
we
are
going
to
kind
of
get
more
into
the
architectural
side.
Sometimes
if
you
present
it
all
now
and
then
there's
a
little
change,
you've
got
to
change
it
all
around.
A
So
it's
kind
of
a
two-step
process
to
get
the
tentative
map
and
then
to
go
into
the
next
phase,
which
is
the
architectural
site.
So
would
you
be
entertaining
tandem
parking,
which
is
a
huge
Advantage
too,
and
it
might
be
a
combination
just
so
it's
just
not
so
uniform.
A
Maybe
there's
some
two-car
garages,
then
some
singles
that
are
the
Tandem
and
it
might
even
have
not
all
zero
lot,
but
maybe
a
couple
it
just
kind
of
adds
a
lot
to
the
community
if
it's
just
not
such
cookie
cutter
in
the
same
going
all
the
way
through
so
I
think
we're
kind
of
open
to
that
and,
to
you
know,
just
kind
of
looking
around
the
whole
city.
There
are
just
some,
you
know,
really
awesome.
Projects
that
are
in
the
process
have
been
approved.
A
Architecturally
and
just
you
know,
there's
some
really
neat
designs
that
are
out
there,
that
you
know
not
so
Cutting
Edge,
but
you
know
really
good
stuff
that
we
want
to
incorporate
to
and
the
better
design
the
more
success
you
are,
and
it
just
you
know,
compounds
to
to
the
project
for
it
to
be
better.
Okay,
a
great
I
was
on
the
Planning
Commission
when
we
drew
up
this
to
get
more
stuff.
This
doesn't
really
take
advantage
of
everything
that
we
came
up
with.
I
mean
the
whole
idea.
A
I
think
was
what
that
people
would
drive
along
the
side
of
the
house
and
park
and
back
or
come
through
an
alley,
and
that
you
would
get
these
wonderful
people
in
their
Front
Porch
Looking
Out
of
the
street,
and
it
would
be
a
sense
of
community
going
on
versus
the
cookie
cutter
garage
door.
Thing
I,
think
that
you
reference
so
that
would
get
down
to
the
architecture.
Part
of
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
asking
these
questions
to
make
sure
you
can
do
that
kind
of
vision
for
the
whole
thing.
A
So,
thank
you
good
point.
Any
other
questions
for
mystery.
Temple
I
have
one
for
you,
sir.
One
of
the
reasons
for
reducing
the
size
of
the
Lots,
that's
noted
in
the
staff
report
is
to
try
to
make
this
more
amenable
to
work
working
family
housing.
A
It
also
makes
it
more
amenable
to
Second
homes.
What
is
going
to
be
your
strategy
to
try
to
ensure
that
this
product
truly
is
a
product?
That's
going
to
be
sought
out
and
purchased
by
Working
Families.
Well,
I!
Think
part
of
it
is,
you
know,
is
its
location.
A
You
know
so
I
think
it
just
kind
of
you
know
is
going
to
be
a
little
more
price
sensitive
where
it's
located
and-
and
you
know
it
is
a
little
bit
isolated
right
now
itself.
You
know
the
Serena
Park
hasn't
really
taken
off,
like
I.
Think
all
of
us
had
kind
of
hoped
that
it
has,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
market
can
take
this
type
of
a
project
and
I
think
it
can
be
built
independently
by
itself
in
its
current
condition.
A
So
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
Serena
park,
that's
a
very,
very
sore
subject
for
folks.
In
that
area-
and
it
comes
back
to
something
that
we've
seen
in
other
places
and
that's
developers
that
don't
in
fact
have
the
the
financing
in
place
to
complete
what
they're
getting
approval
for
so
can
what
can
you
say
to
us
and
to
the
public,
to
reassure
us
that
if
you
get
this
approval
that
you
in
fact
are
going
to
be
able
to
build
the
homes
here
right?
A
A
There
were
the
32
units
on
the
Canyons,
so
we
kind
of
have
a
history
of
that
and
you
know
currently
we're
developing
the
high-end
home
right
there
at
the
end
of
Ramon,
Road
and
La
Mirada,
so
it's
kind
of
in
our
history
and
it
certainly
our
intent
to
do
that.
And
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
It's
Market
driven
the
other
part
too
is
we
are
you
know
we
bought
the
property
in
2005..
A
There
was
a
golf
course
at
the
time
kind
of
went
through
that,
and
then
there
was
the
Great
Recession,
but
we're
probably
the
only
land
owner
in
that
land
in
the
Raw
land
over
there.
That
is
the
original
Builder,
so
I
mean
we
kind
of
staggered.
We,
you
know,
weathered
the
storm,
but
you
know
we
kept
our
property.
You
know
paid
off
to
any
type
of
Bank
financing
that
we
had.
So
you
know
we
feel
confident
that
we
can
kind
of
move
this
project
along
and
and
get
it
built.
We
hope
you're
right.
A
Just
a
quick
question
staff,
the
applicant
indicated
a
willingness
to
to
try
and
see
if
he
can
work
to
get
access
to
CV
link
and
to
reduce
the
driveway
Hardscape
garage
door
impacts.
Is
that
something
we
can
add
to
a
track
map
condition?
A
I
I
think
we
could
add
that
to
be
resolved
through
the
final
tracked
map
application
I'm,
unfortunately,
going
to
have
to
look
to
I'm,
just
deputy
mayor
I
think
that
we
can
add
that
as
part
of
the
map
in
that
the
map
will
provide
access
to
CV
link
or
show
where
access
to
CV
link
is
available.
So
I
think
that's
the
way
that
we
could
do
this
through
a
mapping
action,
okay
and
as
in
regards
to
kind
of
reducing
the
driveway
Hardscape
garage
door
impacts.
A
Can
that
or
is
that
something
that
has
to
come
out
of
the
architectural
next
process?
That
would
be
the
next
process,
we'll
go
ahead
and
note
those
comments
on
the
record
here
as
part
of
our
hearing
tonight
and
then,
as
we
go
through
the
Architectural
Review
process.
We'll
accommodate
those
comments
as
best
we
can
great
okay,
Adam
clerk.
Do
we
have
any
public
comment,
no
public
comments.
All
right,
then
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing.
Are
there
any
any
additional
comments,
or
do
we
have
a
motion?
A
A
Cheryl
second
roll
call:
please
councilman
Woods,
yes,
mayor,
Pro,
Tim,
Garner,
yes,
councilmember
hostage;
yes,
council,
member
Coors,
yes
mayor,
Middleton,
aye,
five
eyes,
zero
knows
introduce
and
waiver
further
reading
of
an
ordinance
entitled
in
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Palm,
Springs
California
approving
case
51527
CZ
change
of
Zone
to
amend
the
current
zoning
designation
of
single-family
residential
r1d
7
500
square
foot,
lot
to
single-family
residential
r1e
5
000
square
foot
lot
for
the
subdivision
of
a
6.44
acre
lot
into
31
single
family
residential
partials
for
further
development
at
the
East
Terminus
of
Verona
Road.
A
A
Madam
mayor
mayor
Pro,
town
and
council
members,
we
have
an
update
on
the
navigation
Center.
The
last
update
was
July
28th
right
after
we
brought
on
board
our
architect,
John
Friedman,
Alice,
Kim
and
they've,
prepared
schematic
design,
site
plans,
circulation
plan
and
Landscaping
plan
for
you
all
to
take
a
look
at
at
this
point
in
time
earlier
tonight.
I
should
also
mention
you
approved
on
the
consent.
Calendar
are
construction
manager,
at-risk
contract
with
Tilton
Coyle,
who
are
here
in
the
audience,
and
they
will
help
finalize
the
plan
to
begin
the
construction
of
the
begin.
A
The
construction
phase
of
the
project
I'd
also
like
to
mention
Greg
Rodriguez
Linda,
Barack,
Esther,
Margulies,
Stefan,
Gonzalez,
Laura,
wrath,
Lauren,
Rath,
Alice
Kim
are
we'll
be
giving
the
presentation
and
answering
questions
and
if
we
can
go
on
and
have
the
that
group
join
the
room,
please
it
thank
you.
A
Hello,
everybody.
Can
you
hear
me
I'm
Alice
Kim,
it's
very
nice
to
meet
you.
It's
been
a
long
evening.
So
thank
you
for
hosting
us
and
we
will
try
to
make
this
as
quick,
but
as
complete
as
possible.
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
while
I'm
doing
that,
maybe
Lauren
and
Esther
you
can
introduce
yourselves.
A
A
So
we
do
have
a
prepared
presentation
and
we
just
wanted
to
say
that
we
just
finished
schematic
design.
So
this
is
still
in
the
early
stages.
So
we
look
forward
to
kind
of
giving
you
updates
periodically
for
this
very
meaningful
project.
A
So,
let's
see
here
go
here,
so
we're
just
going
to
kind
of
review
a
few
things
site
and
design
goals,
but
we
really
also
wanted
to
focus
a
little
bit
on
the
results
of
our
meeting
with
the
residential
advisory
working
group,
which
was
very,
very
fruitful,
and
we
were
really
happy
to
have
that
experience
and
then
just
kind
of
show
you
where
we
are
with
the
site
plan
incorporating
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
the
raw
committee
and
then
some
current
design,
Direction
drawings.
A
So
I
think
that
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
site,
of
course
McCarthy
Road
there.
It
is
outlined
in
red
a
little
bit
closer
up.
You
can
see
that
there
are
the
three
existing
buildings
on
site.
One
is
Building
C,
which
is
not
in
scope.
That's
this
larger
warehouse
and
then
we've
renamed
the
two
warehouses
on
the
site
to
building
eight
and
Building
24,
and
that
simply
means
that
building
eight
is
going
to
house
kind
of
eight
hour
a
day.
A
Services
such
as
job
training
and
intake
and
registration,
and
things
like
that
and
then
and
and
Building
24
is
going
to
house
24
hour
a
day
seven
days
a
week,
services
so
including
dining
hall,
kitchen,
Etc
and
then
the
rest
of
the
site,
of
course,
is
going
to
be
given
over
to
80
residential
units
along
with
parking
and
some
outdoor
amenities
and
really
kind
of
creating
a
sort
of
Campus
for
this
property.
A
So
this
was
the
initial
site,
diagram
and
program
that
I
think
that
you
were
shown
at
a
previous
council
meeting,
the
one
in
July
and
basically
again,
the
program
is
really
80
housing
units
65
75
of
them
are
actually
for
individuals,
and
then
there
will
be
five
larger
family
units.
Again,
services
are
going
to
be
in
building
8
and
Building
24
and
then
the
rest
of
the
open
space,
in
addition
to
the
residents,
will
include
a
playground,
parking
communal
spaces
and
a
dog
run.
So
this
was
mccarth.
A
We
really
want
to
create
a
welcoming
environment
that
is
very
dignified
and
we
also
wanted
to
be
safe
because
really
a
safe
internal
campus
environment
will
enhance
Community
safety,
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
stressed
to
the
residential
advisory
working
group
and
had
really
good
discussions
with
them
about
again.
The
use
of
landscape
is
really
important.
A
The
kind
of
careful
attention
paid
to
circulation
patterns
to
promote
safety
and
transparency
again
because
of
transparent
environment
is
a
safer
environment
and
then,
finally,
something
that
perhaps
had
not
been
talked
about
before.
We
really
wanted
to
create
opportunities
to
celebrate
creativity,
whether
it's
creativity
of
the
people
who
will
be
residents
here
or
creativity
in
the
way
activities
on
the
campus
can
actually
attract
community
volunteers
to
come
in
and
I
actually
interact
with
everything.
That's
going
on
at
the
campus,
the
landscape
goals
and
and
ideas.
A
I
will
leave
to
Esther
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
later,
but
I
wanted
to
focus
a
little
bit
on
some
of
the
suggestions
that
were
brought
up
by
the
residential
advisory
working
group
members.
So
we
met
with
them
and
they
had
a
lot
of
really
great
feedback
and
ideas
for
us.
A
We
talked
a
lot
about
the
environment
as
well,
so
they
talked
about
the
concern
that
if
we
have
so
much
concrete
on
the
site
that
it
could
really
create
a
heat
island
effect,
that's
not
only
not
great
for
the
residents,
but
also
not
great
for
their
pets.
They
talked
about
using
softscape,
planting
and
trees,
to
block
views
to
and
from
neighboring
residential
properties.
A
You
know
the
idea
of
creating
outdoor
murals
and
bringing
in
public
art
and,
and
one
thing
that
we're
very
interested
in
is
actually
mining
the
residents
themselves
to
kind
of
create
art
and
express
their
individuality
in
that
way.
So
you
know
it
it
kind
of
you
know.
We
talked
about
a
lot
of
things.
The
parking
and
security
issues
I
think
are
self-explanatory.
A
One
really
important
thing
that
we
were
asked
to
consider
in
the
design
and
we
will
be
doing
so
as
we
move
forward
into
developing.
It
is
the
impact
of
wind
on
this
site.
So
we
know
that
the
in
the
wind
gets
very,
very
strong
at
some
points
in
time
during
the
year,
so
we
will
be
looking
at
how
we
can
alleviate
the
pressure
of
wind,
whether
by
using
landscape
elements
to
break
the
wind
and
other
strategies,
the
idea
to
bring
solar
panels
in
to
place
atop
the
buildings
and
at
the
parking
lot.
A
Those
are
all
great
ideas
as
well.
So
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
is
that
we've
already
begun
to
incorporate
a
lot
of
these
suggestions
and
ideas
into
the
design.
I
will
say
that
you
know
there
is
a
budget
for
the
design
of
course,
and
so
we
will
have
to
really
hopefully
incorporate
as
much
of
these
things
in
the
in
the
built
reality
as
possible,
but
right
now
we're
very
excited
about
all
of
the
ideas
that
the
Rog
brought
to
the
project
So.
Currently,
this
is
the
site
plan.
A
As
it
stands
right
now,
you
can
see
again.
This
is
McCarthy
Road
here,
North
is
up
and
the
Residential
Properties
are
really
mainly
to
the
west,
and
so
the
three
buildings
again
are
shown
here
and
one
of
the
most
important
kind
of
initial
conceptual
moves
that
we
made
was
to
create
a
clear,
visible
pathway,
as
well
as
a
physical
pathway
from
the
buildings
up
to
kind
of
this
high
point
of
the
site,
which
is
in
this
corner
here
at
the
southwest
corner.
A
What's
interesting
about
the
site,
is
it
kind
of
slopes
up
it
slopes
up
from
here
to
here,
and
so
you
can
really
kind
of
see
up
this
path
and
the
path
also
gives
us
we're,
calling
it
a
Promenade.
The
Promenade
actually
gives
us
a
way
of
kind
of
feeding
all
of
the
units
off
from
this
main
access
axis,
which
is
nice,
because
you
can
look
down
one
of
these
kind
of
decks
and
see
all
the
units,
and
so
we
believe
that
we've
sort
of
created
as
transparent
and
as
clear
a
site
plan
as
possible.
A
You
can
also
enter
from
the
street
and
you
can
kind
of
go
through
the
services
here
and
come
out
this
way,
so
we'll
have
more
detail
coming
up
in
a
second,
but
now
we've
just
sort
of
added
some
notes
onto
that
pla
onto
the
site
plan
to
show
some
of
the
things
that
we've
begun
to
incorporate,
based
on
our
interaction
with
the
residential
resident
advisory
working
group.
So
a
couple
of
key
areas
where
we
have
shade
this
area
here
in
particular,
might
have
some
of
those
meditation
kind
of
little
zones.
A
We
are
required
to
have
a
fire
lane
and
we
decided
to
well
make
something
of
this
fire
lane,
since
we
have
to
have
it,
and
so
there
is
a
basketball
hoop
at
the
end
of
it,
and
this
kind
of
hardscaped
area
can
actually
start
to
function
in
a
really
interesting
way
that
all
of
the
residents
can
begin
to
enjoy.
There's
a
playground
up
at
this
High
Point
and
there
is
a
dog
run
here.
A
So
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
details
right
now
about
loading
and
unloading,
and
things
like
that,
you
will
see
the
project
again
as
it
progresses,
and
so
this
is
again
it's
pretty
early
on,
but
things
are
really
we
feel
coming
into
Focus.
So
we
have
walls,
a
combination
of
existing
and
new
walls
and
fences
around
the
property
and
also
securing
the
parking
lot
from
the
rest
from
the
residential
portion
of
the
property
that
range
in
height
from
six
to
eight
feet,
and
we
think
that
that
is.
A
That
is
high
enough
to
really
give
both
people
who
live
there,
as
well
as
the
community,
a
sense
of
kind
of
reciprocal
security
and
safety
and
a
sense
of
enough
separation,
yet
still
sort
of
connection
that
that
we're
looking
for
so
looking
at
the
circulation
a
little
bit
more
carefully
here.
Parking
takes
place
off
the
main
road
and
continues
into
this
area.
A
This
way
get
in
your
car
and
then
exit
out
so
that
you're
always
sort
of
checking
back
and
forth
with
the
security
desk
or
with
staff
who
live
or
who
work
here,
as
you
come
in
and
out
of
the
the
campus.
So
that's
probably
the
most
important
point
in
addition
to
the
one
I
mentioned
before,
which
is
that
you
really,
this
Promenade
becomes
very,
very
important
as
a
way
of
being
able
to
kind
of
see
the
whole
campus
at
a
glance.
If
you're
a
staff
member,
it
becomes
important
for
wayfinding
and
kind
of.
A
A
A
The
idea
that
there
are
opportunities
on
this
campus,
these
focal
points
where
public
art
can
really
become
placed
created,
whether
by
residents
or
from
the
community,
and
be
given
a
place
to
be,
and
we
really
think
that
this
is
a
sort
of
important
Avenue
that
we
would
love
to
see
explored
in
collaboration
with
with
whoever
wants
to
come
in
and
and
collaborate
on
this.
A
This
effort
with
us
and
the
rest
of
the
project
team,
so
one
very
important
opportunity
which
you'll
see
in
some
3D
preliminary
renderings
is,
for
instance,
this
long
wall
of
building
C.
That
really
faces
the
campus
and
becomes
a
backdrop
is
perfect
for
some
sort
of
a
mural
and
that
could
be
a
community
mural.
It
could
be
something
that
gets
built
up
over
time.
A
It
could
be
an
artist,
that's
awarded
a
commission
to
come
in
and
actually
you
know,
engage
with
the
residents
and
actually
create
something
that
is
the
outgrowth
of
a
collaborate,
a
collaborative
effort.
Many
many
many
different
kinds
of
things
can
happen
there.
So
I
do
want
to
mention
again.
These
are
very
preliminary.
We
haven't
decided
on
any
colors
or
anything
like
that,
but
we
did
want
to
give
you
a
sense
of
start
to
bring
to
life
the
campus
and
the
landscape
in
three
dimensions.
A
So,
if
you're
a
Bird
hovering
over
McCarthy
Road,
this
is
kind
of
what
the
campus
would
look
like
from
sort
of
that
hovering
point
of
view.
So
you
have
the
two
service
buildings,
building
eight
and
Building
24
and
then
in
the
back
of
the
site.
You
have
that
larger
Building
C,
which
is
so
far
right
now,
is
not
in
our
scope
but
again
that
long
wall
faces
the
rest
of
the
campus
and
starts
to
provide
a
really
great
opportunity.
A
For
a
backdrop-
and
you
know-
we've
been
looking
at
imagery
of
Palm
Springs
in
the
desert
and
also
just
sort
of
the
culture
of
Palm
Springs
and
the
and
the
sort
of
you
know
all
of
the
kind
of
lore
and
the
you
know
the
the
really
kind
of
wonderful
sense
of
color
and
and
and
modernity
that
sort
of
surrounds
Palm,
Springs
and
really
starting
to
look
at
that
as
a
way
of
inspiring
ourselves.
To
think
about
how
the
three-dimensionality
of
this
this
campus
will
come
to
life,
so
this
is
one
preliminary
sketch.
A
This
is
how
the
project
is
massing
out
right
now,
again,
you
see
the
path,
the
Promenade,
which
is
very
very
direct
and
clear,
giving
you
kind
of
a
a
straight
shot
all
the
way
up
to
the
high
point,
which
becomes
a
little
bit
like
a
kind
of
a
raised
area
with
the
playground
and
the
dog
run
and
Landscaping,
and
then
the
idea
again
of
building
C's
soft
wall
becoming
a
great
backdrop
for
things
to
happen.
So
and
then
this
is
just
another
view
from
a
different
angle.
A
A
Good
thanks,
Alice,
so
I
also
I
think
you
did
a
a
fine
job
but
kind
of
giving
a
little
bit
of
the
lay
the
land
of
the
landscape
and
I'll
just
try
to
be
briefly
more
specific
about
how
we're
going
to
achieve
the
objectives
that
we
were
were
reinforced
by
the
resident
Advisory
Group
about
making
sure
that
this
project
that
this
neighborhood
really
fits
into
the
neighborhood
and
I
really
want
to
say
from
McCarthy
Road.
A
You
know
my
goal
is
that
people
who
pass
by
people
who
live
across
the
street
to
the
East
and
people
who
drive
by
say,
hey,
that's
such
a
beautiful
place,
I
wonder
what's
inside
and
we're
going
to
establish
that
along
McCarthy
Road
perimeter,
with
really
big
beautiful
trees
that
help
to
filter
views
in
from
the
two-story
residences
and
structures
on
the
east
side
and
think
about
what
happens
underneath
them
with
kind
of
you
know.
Actually,
what's
there
now
around
building
eight
is
not
so
bad
as
it
is.
A
It's
you
know
green
and
attractive
and
we'll
make
sure
that
it
is
even
more
beautiful
and
solidly
planted
so
that
it
looks
and
is
a
beautiful
neighborhood
from
the
outside.
So
then,
once
you
come
inside,
I
think
the
really
we're
focused
at
this
point.
This
is
super
preliminary
really
kind
of
like
Alice
explained
she's
looking
at
building
massing
we're
looking
at
vegetation
massing,
although
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
plants
that
are
coming
out
of
the
Coachella
Valley
Lush
and
efficient
plant
palette.
A
A
But
at
least
we
you
know,
maybe
can
do
a
little
bit
of
screening
and
then
once
you're
down
on
the
kind
of
flats
Below
in
the
lower
areas
we
want
to
reinforce
and
strengthen
the
Promenade.
Make
sure
that
this
is
a
well
shaded
walkway.
Not
you
know
super
so
dense
that
you
can't
see
underneath
it
or
through
it.
A
And
then
we
want
to
create
a
series
of
Gardens
and
garden
spaces
where
people
can
relax
can
go
outside,
and
at
this
point
we
have
not
shown
any
kind
of
seating
on
the
site.
There
you'll
see,
there's
no
benches,
no
sea
walls,
nothing
yet
everyone's
standing
at
the
moment,
but
in
our
next
round
we'll
be
able
to
do
that
and
really
articulate.
A
How
does
this
this
campus
really
function
like
a
neighborhood
and
like
like
houses
in
a
park
and
then
on
the
Upper
Terrace
up
there
in
the
southwest
corner?
We
really
do
have
a
park.
It
has
a
kids
playground.
It
has
a
completely
fenced
and
gated
dog
run,
and
then
we
did
hear
that
at
the
at
the
residence
Advisory
Group
about
concern
about
separating
kids
and
dogs.
So
that's
what
this
triangular
Mound
is
in.
A
The
middle
is,
as
you
come
up,
the
Promenade
you
start
peeling
off
to
try
to
you
know,
make
sure
the
kids
safely
go
to
the
kids.
Part
and
dogs
know
that
they
are
safely
going
to
go
into
the
dog
area
until
they
become
friends
and
can
mix.
So
why
don't
go
to
the
next
slide
or
the
next
picture?
And
these
are
this-
is
the
beginnings
of
the
plant
palette
which
these
plant,
these
trees
are
all
coming
from,
that
Coachella
Valley
water,
district,
pallet,
Arizona
cypress,
and
these
are
all
very
drought,
tolerant,
heat,
tolerant
plants.
A
But
you
can
see
on
the
top
row.
The
main
goal
here
is
about
providing
that
Evergreen
dense
screening
that
we're
looking
for
and
then
the
Bottom
Road.
This
is
about
shade
trees,
the
trees
that
will
be
on
the
Promenade
in
other
areas,
where
we
can
maintain
them
in
a
way
that
you
have
good
visibility
under
their
canopy.
So
you
can
see
what's
going
on
and
have
views
through
and
underneath
the
trees
and
then
next
slide.
A
A
But
it's
you
can't
ask
for
a
kind
of
more
interesting
plant
palette
than
what
is
familiar
and-
and
you
know
we
are
definitely
still
looking
at
things
that
are
we've
heard
some
particular
species
like
stay
away
from
bougainvillea,
please
it's
too
messy.
A
So
we've
done
that
this
is
still
preliminary
I'm
waiting
gets
all
we'll
get
see,
continue
to
get
feedback
from
everybody,
but
it's
it's
a
beautiful
palette
and
really
really
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
work
with
it
on
the
site
and
that's
what
I
have
to
say
about
the
landscape
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we
have
to
say
about
the
project
for
this
update
tonight.
A
A
That
was
easy.
This
is
this
inappropriate
time
to
talk
about
some
of
the
security
precautions
that
will
be
taken
external
to
the
site
sure
and
what
I
I
probably
will
be
able
to
answer
it.
If
I
can't
Linda's
on
the
line
too,
to
be
able
to
do
that.
A
Did
you
go
ahead
so
just
like
Linda
does
now
at
her
facility
in
Indio.
They
monitor
the
the
external
parameters
of
the
facility.
I
I.
Think
what's
unique
about
this
location,
too,
is,
as
we've
mentioned
over
and
over
again.
This
is
not
a
drop-in
Dropout
facility
that
this
really
is
a
residential
community,
and
so
the
level
of
people
going
in
and
out
will
be
very
miniscule
primarily
just
to
either
medical
appointments,
or
you
know,
hopefully,
jobs,
which
is
a
key
aspect.
So
your
level
of
traffic
is
going
to
be
lower
automatically.
A
Additionally,
as
The
Architects
pointed
out
the
sight
lines
on
the
property,
a
lot
of
those
were
specifically
designed
so
that
there's,
you
know
a
constant
view
of
the
residents
not
only
near
their
housing
location,
but
also
as
they're
accessing
either
the
eight
hour
or
24-hour
building
and
then
again,
I
know
that
once
the
site
is
up
and
running,
you
know
the
conversations
that
London
her
team
will
have
with
with
the
police
department.
Etc
will
address
any
of
those
concerns
that
come
up.
A
people
coming
in
after
the
28
Building
closed,
they
are
keyed
like
your
hotel
room,
McKee
right
for
exit
entrance,
and
so
they
buzz
in
by
they're
buzzed
in
by
by
security.
Forgive
me
I'm
on
my
second
round
of
this
cold.
That's
going
around.
A
Thank
you.
Everyone,
I
and
I
really
want
to.
Thank
you.
There
is
one
more
question
from
commissioner
holstead.
Oh
sorry,
sorry
we
can't
see.
We
can't
see
you
council
member,
but
please
go
ahead.
Can
we
thank
you?
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
council
member
once
I
just
had
my
hand
raised,
but
go
ahead,
council
member
woods
and
then
I'll
follow
okay,
just
been
I
want
to.
Thank
you.
I
want
to
really
thank
you
for
working
with
the
working
group.
The
neighborhood
working
group
I,
looked
at
the
comments.
A
I
think
the
comments
they
came
up
with
are
great
I
want
to
thank
the
Architects.
It's
very
rare.
You
see
training
radius
on
an
Architects
drawing
so
that's
great
to
see.
So
thank
you
for
all
of
that.
A
I
think
you've
Incorporated
things,
we've
heard
all
the
way
along
I
and
I
really
liked
what
I
heard
from
the
landscape
architect
that
the
pedestrian
entrance
to
building
24
and
to
building
eight
really
needs
to
Pop
to
make
you
welcome
and
feel
like
you're
coming
home
to
an
estate
or
something
so
thank
you
for
all
that
work.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say,
council
member
hostage.
A
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Your
Enthusiasm
about
the
design
is
really
beautiful
to
see
and
energizing,
even
at
this
late
hour.
So
thank
you
for
the
passion
that
you're
bringing
to
this
project
and
also
the
commitment
to
like
Place,
making
or
building
homes
for
people
and
not
making
this.
A
You
know
dreary
or
drab
or
sort
of
the
things
that
it
could
be
so
really
appreciate.
The
inclusion
of
our
and
joy
and
kids
area
and
dog
run
and
all
of
those
design
elements
that
you
described
I
have
some
questions
mostly
about
programming
and
services.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
the
right,
Forum
I
know
it's
very
late
in
the
evening
and
we
have
other
business
to
attend
to
so
I
just
want
to
ask
City
staff.
A
You
know
councils
interested
in
this
obviously,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
what
we
committed
to
with
the
neighborhoods
and
the
community.
So
what
do
you
propose
about?
If
we
ask
questions
about
the
Staffing
or
excuse
me
the
programming?
Now
it
is
included
in
the
staff
report.
I
don't
know
if
the
city
manager
has
a
recommendation.
A
If
you'd
like
me
to
ask
those
questions
now
or
we
do
that
again
later,
I'm
just
checking
with
the
team
and
see
if
they
want
to
take
those
questions
now,
I'll
ask
questions
about
the
design.
A
While
you
work
on
that,
if
I
can
so
one
so
Building,
C,
I'm
really
interested,
obviously
for
future
use,
it's
a
very
large
building
and
wrapped
into
this
is
some
commitments
that
we
made
to
the
community
that
there
would
be
some
Community
benefits
like
a
developer
would
typically
provide
right,
and
so
we
had
talked
about
legal
clinics
or
medical
services
or
retail,
that's
accessible
to
the
public
and
obviously
Building
C
for
the
public
who's
watching.
A
We
can't
use
the
state
funds
for
building
C
because
of
some
of
the
limits,
so
I'm
just
wondering
I
know
that
site
and
I
know
that
building
C
is
out
in
that
corner
there.
So
for
your
design,
are
you
thinking
through
how
people
might
access
buildings
see?
Was
there
thoughts
about
connecting
that
to
the
street
in
a
more
direct
way?
A
Could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
future
planning
for
the
use
of
building,
C,
yeah
and
and
just
to
re-emphasize
councilman
hostage
that
to
your
point,
that
building
C
did
not
qualify
under
the
home
key
funding,
primarily
because
that
component
is
primarily
will
be
the
shelter
aspect
of
the
campus.
A
A
That
building
will
primarily
use
in
the
design
of
building
24,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
flex.
Spacing
that
we
can
look
at
fertric
Community
benefits,
whether
that's
a
medical
clinic.
A
There's
been
studies
done
in
the
area
about
really
the
need
for
a
full-on
fq
in
in
the
number
of
individuals
that
could
be
served,
especially
with
the
two
sorry
fq
I'm.
Sorry
fairly.
Qualified
health
clinics
forget
the
acronyms
because
of
of
two
that
are
located
not
relatively
far,
that
being
dap
Health,
as
well
as
the
new
Palm
Springs
County
clinic,
and
then
the
cathedral
city,
one
in
Borrego
and
desert
hot
springs.
Borrego
and
even
if
Borrego
doesn't
continue
operations,
those
will
still
be
operated
by
somebody
else.
A
The
the
so
most
of
the
original
programming
that
we've
talked
about
primarily
for
the
campus
is
still
intact.
The
community
benefits
stuff.
We
just
because
it's
not
qualified
portions
underneath
the
home
key
funding.
We
haven't
made
real
final
decisions
on
that.
What
we
have
noticed
too,
and
that
working
with
the
resident
advisory
working
group
is
that
they've
really
been
more
concerned,
not
necessarily
about
the
community
benefit
aspect
of
it,
but
really
about.
What's
the
Safety
and
Security
and
really
what's
heartening
is
to
your
point:
councilmember
hostage
is
creating
an
environment
and
councilmember.
A
Would
you
brought
this
up
too?
That's
a
well
welcoming
environment
for
the
residents
there,
so
because
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
them
again
actual
residents
of
our
community
and
so
giving
them
a
welcome
home.
So,
and
you
know
councilmember
hostage,
we
will
we're.
Contin
will
continue
to
come
back
and
do
these
type
of
updates.
So,
as
we
develop
more
of
the
program,
we
get
more
finalization
as
we
can
look
at
possible
future
Community
benefits
that
may
be
able
to
occur
on
site.
We
will
definitely
bring
those
back
to
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
council
member
excuse
me,
mayor
Pro,
tem,
Garner
and
I
had
a
conversation,
for
example,
with
first
five
who's
interested
in
investing
in
housing
projects
and
other
projects
that
the
city
might
do
and
provide
child
care
on
site.
So
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
synergies
and
federal
and
state
funding
and
other
Investments.
We
can
make
into
this
area
and
I'm
really
interested
in
in
the
empty
lot
as
well.
For
that
some
of
that
work.
A
If
we
can
do
that
next
I,
just
a
few
really
quick
questions,
I'll
just
try
to
narrow
about
design
so
for
the
family
units
and
the
transitional
age.
Youth
units
are
those
being
bundled
together
in
separate
areas
or
that's
being
thought
through.
Yes,
and
the
architect
made
reference
to
that
so
like
near
the
kids
area,
that
would
be
the
five
family
units
and
and
yeah
I.
Don't
know
if
you
can
the
transitionally
Jew
students
we
have.
A
A
Thank
you
and
then
do
we
have
details
about
what
the
modular
units
will
look
like
and
what
we're
looking
at
for
modular
and
if
they'll
have
AC
and
other
you
know,
amenities
has
that
been
decided
yet
yeah,
so
they'll
definitely
have
air
conditioning
so
that
that
process
is
beginning.
Now
we
wanted
to
get
the
contractor
on
board
in
order
so
that
they
can
start
finalizing
acquisition.
Those
units,
the
the
lasar
team,
has
already
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
into
the
units.
A
Just
a
couple
plants
that
I've
had
visited
in
in
California
Southern
California,
here
they're
very
well
designed
they're,
very
aesthetically
pleasing
not
only
outside,
but
inside
and
again
as
we
would
get
more
examples
of
those.
We
will
definitely
bring
those
to
you
as
Council
to
show
you
what
those
are
and
I
I
would
be.
I'm.
A
Confident
in
the
architect
can
chime
in
here
that,
as
we
get
even
more
schematic
drawings
of
those
that
those
would
be
in
their
architectural
plans
as
well,
yeah,
absolutely
we'll
actually
have
a
lot
to
do
with
the
way
the
modulars
look,
so
we'll
be
working
pretty
closely
with
the
selected
modular
company.
So
the
next
time
we
come
to
you,
we
should
be
able
to
show
you
pretty
developed.
A
Elevations
of
the
actual
modulars
I
did
also
want
to
just
say
that
next
time
we
come,
we
would
be
happy
to
also
show
you
the
plans
of
buildings,
8
and
24..
That
would
probably
answer
a
lot
of
your
questions
about
the
programming
right
and
yeah
and
in
terms
of
the
access
to
Building
C.
This
area
right
here
is
seen
as
a
future
access,
because
this
is
actually
20
feet
wide.
A
It's
quite
wide,
so
that'll
probably
be
the
street
access
from
the
street
to
come
in
and
then
have
a
really
welcoming
entrance
for
building
C
as
well.
So,
thank
you,
that's
great
and
then,
and
thank
you
to
The
Advisory
working
group,
because
I
think
their
recommendations
are
just
so
wonderful
and
that
really
shows
the
benefit
that
residents
bring
in
planning
this
together.
I
shared
most
of
their
concerns
and
I
see
you
Incorporated
a
lot
of
them.
I
just
wanted
to
also
lift
up
shade
and
heat
islands
and
heat
effects.
A
I
mean
there's
a
significant
amount
of
if
this
is
asphalt
or
concrete,
with
the
parking
and
the
fire
lane
and
the
looks
like
the
Promenade
is
not
paved
but
yeah.
Just
if
you
could
think
that
through
in
your
next
phase
of
should
there
be
covered
parking,
can
the
fire
lane
be
grass
too,
or
some
sort
of
flex
space
right
like?
Are
there
ways
to
design
to
really
think
about
the
heat
you
know?
Is
there
going
to
be
shade
structures
over
the
kids
area
or
the
dog
runs?
A
Those
are
things
we
really
need
to
plan
for
and
I'm
sure
you're
completely.
On
top
of
that,
we're
trying
thank
you
and
then
I
just
didn't
see
in
the
list
of
services
making
sure
it
does
include
child
care.
I
know.
That's
one
thing
that
Martha's
does
so
well
in
the
Indio
campus
I
know
it's
a
need
in
the
community.
A
I
know
you're
going
to
analyze
more
of
the
population,
but
just
really
interested
again
in
how
we
can
sort
of
overlap,
bring
more
services,
find
other
funding
with
you,
so
I
know
and
Linda
I'm,
also
on
my
second
round
of
the
same
cold,
I
think
going
around
so
I,
understand
and
I
know
you're
such
an
expert
in
this.
So
I
just
wanted
to
lift
that
up
too,
especially
if
there
will
be
families
on
site
and
definitely
keep
your
eye
on
that
lot.
A
A
A
It
and
it's
something
we
definitely
will
assist
with
you
know
the
county.
Definitely
can
provide
some
level
of
incentive
funding
for
developers
like
we
do
in
any
other
project
and
then
obviously
would
look
at.
You
know
the
Catalyst
fund
from
lift
to
rise
to
provide
pre-development
money.
So
there
are
opportunities
that
the
county
would
be
involved
in
and
also
first
five
but
yeah,
and
definitely
first
five
and
and
Tammy
Graham
who's.
A
The
director
of
first
five
and
I
talk
on
a
weekly
basis
about
elevating
child
care
facilities
and
primarily
it's
the
eastern
part
of
the
county.
That
really
is
latching
on
to
a
lot
of
those
projects.
So
great,
thank
you
and
I.
Just
have
one
final
question.
The
density
of
the
unit
so
I
think
we've
always
been
set
on
the
80
unit
number.
Is
that
right
from
financing
and
applications
for
grant
funding?
And
then
it
looks
like
some
are
two-story
and
some
are
one
story.
A
So
is
that
just
something
we're
going
to
get
more
information
about
the
density
and
yeah
and
details
at
the
next
phase,
yeah
I
think
you'll
be
at
about
a
hundred
150.
Well,
no
about
100,
because
remember
you
have
families,
so
you
have
80
units,
but
some
of
them
could
have
two
three
and
up
to
four
people,
and
so
when
you
have
a
family,
you
know
that's
the
variable.
There's
a
moment
have
three
children
as
Mom
and
Dad,
so
I
would
say
from
the
80
to
the
high
point
of
100.
A
A
If
you
notice,
on
where
the
grass
section
is
for
the
child's
area
and
the
dog
run,
there's
an
easement
there
that
we
can't
build
on,
and
so
in
order
for
to
make
the
entire
campus
work
not
only
to
get
the
number
of
units
that
we
went
on
there,
but
also,
more
importantly,
again
to
keep
those
sight
lines
and
make
the
flow
work.
Because
that's
why
we
did
the
element.
We
also
think
it
breaks
it
up
and
makes
it
look.
You
know
a
little
more
interesting.
A
We
were
very
conscientious
to
and
I
say
we
as
it's
all
the
Architects,
we're
very
conscientious
about
making
sure
that
we
didn't
have
two-story
facilities
next
to
say
the
property
lines
where
residences
are
on
the
western
part
or
like
where
the
Rosa
Parks
apartments
are
on
on
the
northern
part,
even
though
Building
C
kind
of
blocks
all
that,
so
they
we
really
they
worked,
did
a
really
good
job
of
again,
making
sure
that
it's,
the
Privacy
is
protected
for
not
only
the
residents
on
the
campus,
but
also
those
in
the
surrounding
areas
as
well.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
it
looks
really
beautiful.
Beautiful
support,
the
density
and
I
always
just
look
to
see.
If
there's
more,
that
can
be
done
there.
Additional
density
to
be
added
so
I
know
where
that
was
what,
where
my
question
came
from,
not
the
opposite
Greg,
but
thank
you
so
much.
This
looks
fantastic
and
I.
Think
it's
excellent
work.
A
Council,
member
Awards
I
just
want
to
remind
the
community
who
hasn't
been
following
up
so
they're
not
misled
in
any
way.
You
said
this
is
a
community
they
live
in,
but
it's
really
a
transitional
community.
So
just
can
you
clarify
that
for
the
idea?
Thank
you,
council,
member,
that's
very
good,
so
the
whole
concept
of
this
is
to
get
people
in
and
out
into
permanent
housing,
and
we
know,
though
we
know
the
housing
first
model
Works.
A
A
Additionally
too,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
Acuity
of
individuals
is,
is
the
amount
of
case
work
and
staff
time
that
it
takes
to
manage
people
in
a
housing
first
situation
so
having
a
number
of
units
on
one
location
not
only
helps
with
that
Staffing
level,
but
then,
additionally,
more
importantly,
you
have
the
wraparound
services
on
site,
so
the
likelihood
of
people
falling
out
of
service,
whether
that's
medical,
Behavioral,
Health
substance,
use
treatment.
A
Most
of
the
substance
use
is
mostly
referred
off-site,
of
course,
but
the
likelihood
of
people
falling
out
is
far
less.
Your
ability
to
deal
with
Workforce
Development
is
far
greater
when
you,
when
you
have
a
navigation,
Campus
Center
like
this
there's,
not
a
lot
of
these
around
the
country,
they're
starting
to
pop
up
more
and
more,
but
it's
a
proven
model
in
in
the
locations
that
they
have.
But
to
your
point,
councilmember
woods
is.
Ideally
you
know
when
the
shelter
portion
section
is
open.
A
Ideally
we're
hoping
people
wouldn't
even
spend
longer
than
a
week
in
a
shelter
bed
that
they
would
transition
into
one
of
the
transitional
units,
one
of
the
80
units,
obviously
full
services
that
they're
achieving
and
then
an
immediate
housing
action
plan
will
be
developed
by
Linda
and
her
team.
Where
you
know
how
do
we
get
them
stable
enough
and
able
enough
to
move
into
a
permanent
unit
off-site
on
that
way?.
A
So
are
there
any
additional
questions
or
comments?
All
right?
Is
this
an
information
item
or
one
that
requires
a
vote?
Just
information
item?
That's
the
way,
I
read
it,
but
okay.
So
with
that,
thank
you
and
Greg.
Thank
you
for
staying
up
on
starting
the
entire
meeting.
A
All
right,
we
are
down
to
our
last
two
items,
but
we
are
to
11
p.m.
So
we
also
have
agenda
development.
We
need
to
do.
Is
it
the
pleasure
of
counsel
to
continue
with
these
two
items
and
try
to
get
them
completed
all
right,
then,
in
the
interest
of
time
we
will
move
on
to
3B
a
proposal
from
We
Are,
One
United
and
in
the
again
in
the
interest
of
time,
ask
for
an
abbreviated
staff
report.
A
A
Very
brief,
my
name
is
John
Epps
I.
Am
your
friend
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
opportunity,
mayor
mayor,
Pro,
Tim
and
council
members
on
behalf
of
We
Are,
One
united.
We
are
here
in
Palm
Springs
to
ask
for
your
assistance.
We
have
been
granted
a
2.1
million
dollar
Grant
by
The
Bureau
for
state
and
County
Corrections
to
do
violence,
intervention
and
prevention.
Forgive
me.
A
It's
been
a
long
day,
but
keeping
in
mind
the
three
things
that
we
want
to
do
to
try
to
address
that
are
first
and
foremost
deploy
community
resource
teams
that
will
work
with
the
community.
We're
already
doing
that
work
also
to
provide
a
job
in
Economic,
Development
and
I
was
very
happy
in
our
previous
presentation
to
hear
you
talking
about
child
care,
because
that's
one
of
the
areas
that
we
specifically
want
to
address
and
the
third
area
is
leadership
development.
A
One
of
the
things
that
we've
seen,
unfortunately,
is
too
often
nonprofits
come
into
communities.
They
get
a
grant.
They
work
during
the
time
of
the
grant.
Then,
when
it's
over
it's
over,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
build
in
the
community.
The
infrastructure
and
the
leadership
that
will
allow
it
to
sustain
and
continue
to
endure
and
provide
the
services
that
they
do
so
in
a
nutshell.
That's
what
we're
here
for
as
part
of
our
grant.
A
A
And
we
believe
that,
when
an
opportunity
for
this
kind
of
funding
comes
to
a
community,
it's
an
opportunity
for
our
partners,
including
the
city,
to
support
us
and
to
help
us
carry
that
out
and
finally,
I
just
want
to
say:
I
really
believe
that
investing
in
this
community
we're
talking
about
things
like
the
navigation,
Center
and
all
those
things
that
we're
doing
is
another
other
way
to
continue
to
strengthen
the
resilience
of
the
of
the
people
who
are
there.
So
I
want
to.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
I
hope
that
was
long
enough
and
if
it
wasn't
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
Are
there
questions
council?
Member
of
course,
well,
first
a
comment.
Thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
and
I
think
you
know
getting
a
grant
like
this
could
really
be
game
changing
for
so
many
of
our
youth.
So
it's
exciting
to
see
just
looking
just
some
basic
stuff,
so
I
know
you're
based
in
Highland.
You
can
open
an
office
in
Palm
Springs.
What
or
do
you
have
one
already
yeah
we?
A
We
are
actually
looking
at
our
facility
right
now
in
Palm,
Springs,
right
off
of
sunrising,
Arenas,
and
so
we're
looking
at
that,
but
we're
also
trying
to
have
a
diversified
campus.
We
serve.
One
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
is
change
the
mindset
of
the
community,
and
so
we
are
working
with
the
three
dominant
groups,
the
Filipino,
African-American
and
Hispanic
community,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
opportunities
for
them
to
work
together.
So
we're
also
looking
at
deploying
different
parts
of
our
program
in
different
communities.
A
So
we
really
want
to
have
multiple
campuses
and
we
think
that
also
will
help
in
terms
of
trying
to
mitigate
some
of
the
issues
that
are
occurring
with
the
gangs
and
violence.
We
really
believe
that
we
have
to
do
that
and
just
one
thing
as
you're
looking
at
I
wanted
to
raise
offices
to
the
extent
their
City
space
and
community
centers
or
things
I.
Think
that
would
be
a
great
sort
of
partnership,
and
my
understanding
on
this
grant
is
in-kind
things
like
space.
A
You
get
to
match
the
value
100,
so
it's
a
way
to
hopefully
get
you
more
match.
You
know
that
way
as
well.
With
less
was.
Let
was
less
money
needing
to
be
expended
for
rent,
so
I
just
want
to
raise
that
for
you
and
staff.
You
know
to
look
where
that's
possible
I
think
there
may
be
some
good
opportunities
there.
I
think
and
I
know.
A
If
to
the
extent
our
staff
works
or
the
police
department
works
on
things
that
can
be
counted
in
kind
for
your
match,
as
well
as
contributions
from
the
city
as
I
understand,
it
I
believe
some
of
the
things
that
we
do
with
them.
We
just
have
to
be
very
careful
that
they
don't
directly
receive
any
of
the
funding
that
comes
from
the
grant
yeah,
so
just
the
more
creative
to
help
you
get
the
match
quicker.
Thank
you,
I.
Think
the
better
on
that
I
know.
Initially,
we
were
looking
at
a
smaller
first
grant.
A
A
I
think
three
things,
one
salaries:
we
we
have
really
try
to
recognize
that
you
to
some
extent
get
what
you
pay
for
in
in
this
business
too
often
in
the
non-profit
world,
we
bring
in
people
at
less
than
good
wages,
and
then
the
result
is
that
they
get
stressed
out
and
we
wind
up
losing
them.
So
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
bring
in
quality
people
and
that
we
treat
them
with
the
respect
and
dignity
that
they
deserve.
A
We
also
really
need
to
get
our
startup
going
in
terms
of
equipment.
We
want
to
be
able
to
equip
our
resource
team
with
equipment,
laptops
things
that
they
can
take
out
to
do.
Data
Gathering.
We
want
to
do
a
lot
of
asset
and
access
mapping
for
three
years.
I
worked
at
the
regional
Access
Project
foundation
in
what
we
call
the
center
for
non-profit
advancement
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
identified
is
a
lot
of
the
resources
that
we
think
will
help
this
community.
A
You
already
exist
in
this
community,
so
we
want
that
team
to
be
able
to
help
empower
the
people
in
that
community
and
to
identify
what
skills,
what
resources
when
you
talked
about,
the
other
matching
resources
that
are
available
so
that
we
can
get
the
Maximum
Impact
for
our
dollars.
Great
and
I
appreciate
you
talking
about
paying
people
who
work
in
the
nonprofit
sector.
A
What
they've
worked,
what
they're
worth
and
they're
worth
more
than
you
probably
could
pay
them,
but
they're,
making
good
wages
and
respected
for
their
time,
because
this
work
is
so
critical
and
having
spending
most
a
career
in
the
nonprofit
sector.
I
appreciate
your
you're
saying
that,
because
it
you
know,
you
want
people
to
be
excited
and
motivated
and
valued,
so
that
that's
really
terrific
and
I
have
one
other
question
which
left
my
brain,
but
it's
11
10.
So
I
will
I
will
take
that.
A
Oh
one
thing,
I
I,
didn't
notice
in
this
and
I
was
just
wondering
and
I
know
it
was.
You
know
you
didn't,
send
us
everything
and
appreciate
that
we
could
get
through
it
but
sort
of
the
Matrix.
How
many
youth
do
you
think
you
will
be
serving
in
each
of
those
sort
of
three
areas?
You
talked
about?
Well,
we
plan
on
deploying
about
30
representatives
in
the
CRTs
that
will
include
members
of
the
community
we're
working
with
Cod
they're,
going
to
help
us
with
some
internships.
A
So
we
we
plan
on
deploying
them
in
the
community.
We
expect
to
touch
over
500
youth.
A
We
hope
to
create
several
at
least
a
couple
hundred
jobs
that
we
think
will
come
out
of
this
we're
already
talking
with
a
couple
of
the
unions,
IBEW
and
and
SEIU
about
training
and
apprenticeship
programs,
and
then
we
really
again,
we
mentioned
the
child
care
thing,
we're
working
with
the
Early
Learning
Consortium
in
Riverside
County
to
talk
about
how
we
can
create
sustainable
child
care
in
this
community,
because
we
see
one
of
the
areas
that
really
holds
back
Economic,
Development
and
underserved
communities
is
the
lack
of
available
child
care
great.
Does
that
help?
A
That's
us?
Okay,
thank
you!
So
yeah
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
and
have
the
public
yeah
have
a
sense
of
how
many
you
know
lives
you're
going
to
be
touching.
Oh!
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mayor
any
other
questions
or
comments,
councilmember
Woods,
thank
you
and
and
I
think
Jeff
said
it
all.
So
I
won't
repeat
any
of
it
with
the
late
hour
Jeffrey.
A
Just
this
is
a
three-year
program.
It
is
it's
actually
three
years
plus
six
months.
Okay,
so
we
started
July
the
15th
officially
and
we
end
December
31st
three
years
from
now,
and
then
it's
a
four
million
dollar
program,
and
is
that
right?
Yes,
sir,
okay
and
you're,
getting
the
state
Grant
yes
and
there
I
assume
there's
reporting
requirements
that
are
going
to
have
to
go
back
to
the
state.
Yes,
sir,
okay,
can
you
500
youth,
I,
didn't
know
we
had
that
many
youth
in
our
city
actually
well
I.
A
Think
when
you
look
at
our
high
schools
when
you
look
at
those
who
are
up
and
coming
I
really
and
I.
Think
the
other
part
of
this
is
when
you
look
at
the
problem
of
violence,
intervention
and
prevention,
it's
it
doesn't
stop
at
the
border
right.
We,
we
can't
just
say
Well,
only
you
but
not
you.
This
is
the
guy.
You
hang
out
with
on
the
corner
at
night,
so
it
really
encompasses
a
little
bit
broader
in
terms
of
working
together.
A
So
we
want
to
work
with
folks
like
the
Boys
and
Girls
clubs
that
are
local.
We
want
to
work
with
on
the
churches.
We
want
to
work
with
the
other
agencies
that
are
providing
services
to
families
and
children
in
particular
to
make
sure
that
we
deal
with
both
the
physical
mental
health
and
economic
development
of
those
youth.
So
I
noticed
in
the
staff
report.
It
said
you're
going
to
try
and
touch
youth
between
13
and
17
years
old.
A
Yes!
Well,
that's
that's
just
one
of
our
populations.
That's
particularly
dealing
with
the
violence,
intervention
and
prevention,
because
that's
the
the
group
that
right
now
is
kind
of
our
hot
spot,
but
we
recognize
that
working
with
the
older
youth
is
a
central
part
of
that
I
grew
up
in
Philadelphia
I'm
from
Philly.
A
So
it's
really
like
much
later
for
me
than
you
think,
but
but
and
one
of
the
things
I
know,
I
benefited
from
was
the
advice
of
people
who
have
been
there
gone
through
that,
and
so,
when
we
work
with
the
folks
in
the
community
resource
teams,
we're
not
looking
for
the
perfect.
You
know
counselor
we're
looking
for
the
guy,
who
has
that
learned
experience
of
having
been
in
trouble
that
they
will
help
us
to
really
help,
though,
to
speak
to
those
youth,
because
those
are
the
ones
they
find
credibility
with.
A
You
know
the
ones
who've
been
there
done
that
and
can
say
that's
not
what
you
want
to
do.
I
took
29th
and,
and
our
chief,
who
maybe
speak
as
well,
I
thought
some
of
these
kids
when
we
were
having
a
lot
of
gun.
Violence
were
actually
younger
than
13.
am
I
wrong,
in
that
it's
pretty
rare
to
have
somebody
younger
than
13.
A
okay
dealing
with
gun
violence,
however
fights
in
school
bullying
that
kind
of
thing
that
is
a
little
bit
more
common,
which
is
obviously
a
precursor
or
can
be
a
precursor
for
someone
developing
into
a
little
bit
more
sophisticated
crime.
But
Mr
Epps
is
right:
the
17
year
olds,
the
18
year
olds,
the
ones
that
we're
really
struggling
with
at
this
point
with
gun
violence.
Great!
Thank
you.
No,
it's
great
I
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
my
last
question
is:
do
you
have
outcomes
you're
trying
to
are
there
like?
A
Measurable
I
think
we
Matrix
was
mentioned
earlier
and
I
want
to
repeat
that,
but
are
there
measurable
outcomes
you're
trying
to
go
for?
We
are
we
want
to
you
know
some
of
the
statistics
are
the
obvious
ones.
We
want
to
see
a
reduction
in
in
violence
in
the
neighborhood
cut
down
in
the
number
of
gun.
A
You
know
involved
crimes,
but
I
also
think
that
we
are
looking
at
programs
that
have
been
successful
across
the
country
and
some
of
the
things
that
they've
been
measuring
is
academic
achievement
because
we
recognize
that
a
lot
of
this
starts
in
schools
and
a
lot
of
this
comes
back
to
not
really
getting
the
educational
support
that
they
need.
That
will
help
them
so
we're
looking
at
academic
outcomes,
we're
looking
at
Social
outcomes,
we're
looking
at
Mental
Health
number
of
cases
how
many
people
we
can
counsel
what
kind
of
counseling
we're
doing
so
we're
measuring.
A
All
of
that.
We
have
a
very
robust
database
I'm,
a
former
I.T
guy
I
talked
for
19
years
at
UCR,
so
I'm
pretty
good
with
data
and
analytics
and
so
yeah.
We
we
we're
going
to
be
able
to
work
with
companies
like
esri
to
actually
map
out
what
we're
doing
we
already
have
applied
for
a
grant
with
them
for
a
million
dollars
so
which
is
mostly
in
kind
and
support
of
energy
software
training
support
services.
A
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
very
much
demonstrate
the
change,
because
we
believe
if
people
recognize
that
change
is
possible,
then
they'll
become
part
of
the
solution
and
then
the
last
thing
is
I.
Think
in
your
your
budget
here,
maybe
it
was
just
a
very
quick
thing:
I
think
it
was
only
for
four
or
six
months
that
or
was
that
just
to
use
the
400
you're
asking
for
because
your
program
is
longer
than
that.
Oh
yes,
okay,
yeah,
that
was
just
that
was
kind
of
the
ask.
Yeah
I
think
it
was
a
four
months.
A
A
Miss
chaps
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
and
your
professionalism
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
pleased
I
am
that
we
are
doing
something
that
is
directly
working
with
our
at-risk
youth,
and
so
thank
you
and
the
city
council
is
going
to
approve
this
program,
but
don't
believe
for
a
moment.
This
is
the
last
that
we
want
to
be
involved
in
working
with
the
Youth
of
our
community.
A
Grant
and
it's
it's
really
heartwarming
to
see
how
far
we've
come
since
July
of
2020
to
really
improving
the
lives
of
not
just
the
young
people
in
our
community,
but
everyone
in
our
community,
because
I
think
everyone
needs
to
understand
that
if
we
are
reducing
violence
and
we're
improving
the
lives
of
the
young
people
in
our
community,
we
truly
are
impacting
every
single
person
in
our
city
and
and
even
the
region.
A
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
bringing
this
forward
and
for
all
of
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
I'm
really
excited
about
what's
to
come.
Thank
you
mayor
part,
10.,
council,
member
Hall
search
patiently.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mayor
Madam,
mayor
I
just
wanted
to
Echo.
My
colleagues
comments.
Thank
you
so
much
for
investing
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
A
We
know
that
investing
this
amount
will
just
pay
dividends
to
our
community
over
time
and
also
probably
reduce
costs
for
policing
and
incarceration
and
just
create
better
outcomes
for
our
most
at
risk
communities.
So
we
so
appreciate
you
and
your
work
and
I
just
wanted
to
congratulate
mayor
Pro,
tem
Garner
for
this
excellent
work
and
really
responding
to
the
violence
that
we've
seen
in
district
one
and
bringing
forward
such
an
amazing
program
and
partnership
with
community
and
an
incredible
organization
and
bringing
them
into
the
city.
A
So
thank
you,
mayor,
Pro,
tem,
who's,
not
good
at
patting
herself
on
the
back
or
being
you
know,
self-congratulatory
about
all
the
work
that
she's
done,
but
she
has
done
an
incredible
job
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
her
for
all
of
her
work
on
this
and
may
I
say
that
our
conversation
a
couple
of
years
ago
at
the
conference
table
at
rap,
still
resonates
with
me
as
well.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
So
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
emotion.
Yes,
I
will
make
the
motion
to
approve
the
work,
the
full
request
and
with
councilmember
hostage
like
to
Second
this,
given
her
background.
Thank
you,
I
would
I
was
second
roll
call.
Please
may
I
Pro
tem
Garner,
yes,
council
member
hostage,
yes,
councilmember
Coors,
yes,
councilmember,
Woods,
Mary,
Middleton,
aye,
five
eyes.
Zero
knows
thank
you.
We
will
move
on
to
item
3C.
A
Urgency
ordinance
and
a
non-organ
urgency
ordinance
of
the
Palm
Springs
City
Council,
prohibiting
annual
residential
realist
property
rental
increases
that
exceed
10
percent
or
five
percent,
plus
the
local
CPI,
whichever
is
lower
so
with
that
staff
report,
please,
is
that
America
members
of
the
city
council
I
know
the
hours
late,
so
I'll
try
and
make
this
quick.
Even
though
I
know,
this
is
a
an
important
topic.
As
the
council
is
well
aware,
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
have
expressed
serious
concerns
over
significant
rent
increases
in
heaven
have
requested
rent
control.
A
A
Before
going
on
to
the
specifics
of
the
ordinance,
it's
important
to
remember
some
of
the
State
regulatory
framework
within
which
we
are
operating
under
state
law,
the
Costa
Hawkins
rental,
Housing
Act,
it
preempts
local,
rent
control,
ordinances
for
all
units
that
were
built
after
1995,
as
well
as
single-family
units
and
condos.
So
it's
important
to
remember
that,
to
a
large
extent,
we
are
precluded
from
regulating
rent
control
on
those
those
residential
units.
Otherwise,
the
city
retains
General
police
power
over
regulating
regulating
rent
control.
A
The
the
casa
Hawkins
rent,
Housing
Act,
is
not
bar
rent
control
over
multi-family
apartments
that
are
built
after
1995,
and
so
we
retain
that
Authority
in
terms
of
what
this
rent
ordinance
does
do.
It
prohibits
increases
in
rent
on
certain
residential
property,
specifically
all
residences
other
than
single-family
residences,
condos
and
post
1995
units
in
excess
of
10
or
5
percent,
plus
the
local
CPI.
Whichever
is
lower,
it
also
prohibits
more
than
one
rent
increase
in
any
12-month
period.
A
The
rent,
Control
Ordinance,
also
makes
it
clear
that
proposed
rent
increases
are
not
going
to
be
effective
if
the
landlord
fails
to
comply
with
provisions
of
the
ordinance,
including
failure
to
provide
the
required
notices
or
if
the
landlord
fails
to
maintain
the
property
in
compliance
with
safety
and
habitability
requirements,
or
fails
to
make
repairs
that
are
ordered
by
the
city
or
other
competent
jurisdiction.
A
The
proposed
ordinance
provides
for
remedies,
including
civil
citations,
as
well
as
prosecution
as
a
misdemeanor
or
a
civil
injunction,
and
those
can
also
be
enforced
in
addition
to
the
City
by
tenants
themselves,
the
proposed
ordinance
establishes
a
fee
for
the
regulation
of
the
rental.
The
properties
are
that
are
subject
to
this
regulatory
provision.
The
exact
amount
of
that
fee
would
come
back
in
a
subsequent
meeting
and
be
adopted
by
resolution.
The
ordinance
also
regulates
the
increases
in
the
amount
of
security
deposits.
A
It
provides
that
security
deposits
are
also
subject
to
the
percentage
increases
that
are
provided
for
other
rent,
and
it
also
prohibits
landlords
from
demanding
security
deposits
that
are
more
than
one
month's
rent
in
the
case
of
unfurnished
residential
property
and
two
months,
rent
in
the
case
of
foreign
furnished
residential
property.
The
items
before
you
are
two
ordinances.
One
is
an
urgency
ordinance
which,
as
the
council
recall
from
earlier
discussions,
requires
a
four-fifths
vote.
A
If
the
council
is
not
able
to
make
the
findings
that
are
contained
in
the
urgency
ordinance
in
terms
of
the
need
to
take
action
immediately,
there
is
also
before
you
a
regular
ordinance
that
contains
all
the
same
provisions
and
substance
as
the
urgency
ordinance,
but
it
would
be
adopted
in
the
normal
course,
which
means
it
would
be
introduced
tonight.
We'd
bring
it
back
for
a
second
reading,
probably
at
the
next
meeting,
and
it
would
become
effective
30
days
thereafter.
A
That
consists
of
my
presentation,
I'm
certainly
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Are
there
questions
council
member
course.
A
A
I
know
the
urgency
ordinance
needs
to
be
passed
very
similar
to
what
is
in
front
of
us
right
to
do
this
immediately
and
I.
Think
there's
a
need
for
that.
But
I
do
have
some
questions
if
we
wanted
to
do
something
further
beyond
the
urgency
ordinance
right,
so
we
wouldn't
necessarily
be
able
to
vote
on
that
tonight,
but
we'd
give
direction
I,
assume
or
absolutely.
If
the
council
wants
to
give
us
Direction
on
other
Provisions,
you
can
certainly
do
that
so,
and
those
could
include
a
different
amount
for
rent
control.
A
Correct
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
I
know
we
passed
rules.
If
someone
was
evicted
from
a
apartment
when
it
was
going
to
be
turned
into
a
hotel
right
to
make
sure
they
got
a
certain
amount
of
notice
that
they
got
a
relocation
assistance
a
certain
number
of
months
rent.
So
we
could
add
that
to
any
like,
if
someone
was
taking
an
Ellis
act
or
Contra,
you
know
some.
A
If
the
an
LSAT
kind
of
eviction,
or
something
like
that
yep,
you
could
give
us
direction
to
look
into
those
and
bring
back
those
types
of
relocation
protections
for
other
types
of
residential
units.
Okay,
because
those
are
things
I'm
interested
in,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
we
do
the
earth
I
support.
Doing
the
urgency
item
now,
and
just
one
comment,
though,
is
you
know
all
the
urgency
ordinance
does?
Is
it
takes
this?
A
The
existing
state
law
and
the
levels
they've
set
and
just
includes
certain
types
of
housing-
that's
not
included
in
it
now
and
that
could
include
some
of
our
you
know,
lowest
income,
housing
and
I.
Think
we've
heard
from
we
repeatedly
talk
about
the
need
for
more
affordable
housing
and
for
two
meetings
on
vacation
rentals.
A
All
the
people
who
want
vacation
rentals
want
us
to
have
more
affordable
housing
from
other
means,
but
losing
our
affordable
housing
and
people
not
being
able
to
pay
rent
just
as
such
a
huge
concern,
which
is
why
I
think
we
need
to
do
the
urgency
ordinance
tonight,
but
I
will
say
for
people
who
aren't
fixed
income
only
so
many
seniors
or
in
stagnant
low-paying
jobs.
A
10
percent
a
year
increase
it's
going
to
be
really
tough
to
survive,
but
100
increase.
It
becomes
impossible.
A
So
it's
it's
not
a
lot
to
do,
but
I
I
feel
we
should
do
that
urgently.
So
a
little
comments
I
threw
in
there
mayor,
okay.
Well
in
the
interest
of
time.
Why
don't
we
just
try
to
go
quickly
through
each
one
of
us
with
whatever
our
questions
our
comments
would
be
and
who
would
like
to
go
next,
mayor,
Pro,
Tem!
A
Thank
you.
I,
don't
have
any
questions,
but
just
I
think
that
this
really
is
something
that's
needed.
One
of
the
things
that's
not
included
in
the
state
law
is
individual
landlords.
So
if
you
only
own
one
unit,
then
you
can
increase
the
rent.
A
However
much
you
want
and
we're
seeing
this
all
over
Palm,
Springs
and
I
see
it
very
much
in
in
my
condo
complex,
because
there's
many
of
us
who
are
renters
there
and
there
was
someone
evicted
just
recently
and
there's
two
apartments
next
to
me
that
are
constantly
turning
over
and
and
what
we're.
What
we've
been
told
every
time
is
the
rent.
Just
is
increasing
so
quickly
that
people
are
not
able
to
stay
in
these
units
so
being
able
to
protect
tenants
who
might
be
renting
from
Individual
landlords.
A
A
Other
question
or
questions
comments,
council,
member
Woods
next
can
and
council
member
of
course
alluded,
but
I'm
still
not
clear.
What
does
this
do
this
state
law
doesn't?
Do
this
Narrows
significantly
the
number
of
exemptions
that
are
contained
in
the
tenant
protection
act
of
2019,
for
example,
properties
that
are
subject
to
regulatory
agreements?
Those
are
exempt
from
rent
control
properties
that
I'm
sorry
properties
that
are
subject
to
regulatory
agreements.
In
other
words,
by
you
know
we
used
to
have
housing
authorities
or
Redevelopment
agencies
under
the
tenant
protection
act.
A
A
Security,
deposit
I
think
you
said
in
the
staff
report,
either
one
month
or
two
months
if
it's
furnished,
but
that
doesn't
include
maybe
having
that
separate
from
maybe
a
requiring
first
and
last
month's
rent
correct,
that's
separate
from
first
and
last
month's
rent
and
is-
and
so
this
doesn't
address
any
of
that,
then
you
can
okay
other
than
defining
the
deposits.
No
right-
and
this
doesn't
address
interest
on
the
interest
on
a
deposit,
correct.
Okay,
maybe
it's
something
we
want
to
talk
about
in
the
future.
A
The
last
question,
I
really
have
and
understanding
is
administration
of
this
I
think
it
was
brought
out
in
the
staff
report-
is
how
are
we
going
to
administer
it
I
think
and
how
are
people
going
to
know
about
it?
We
put
it
on
the
website,
but
do
we
have
have
we
set
up
the
mechanism
to
do
this
yet,
or
is
this
something
we
have
to
work
on.
A
It's
something
they'll
still
have
to
work
on.
My
understanding
is
that
this
was
a
program
we
did
have
at
one
point
in
time
that
staff
did
administer
so
we'll
need
to
revisit
that.
Okay,
great,
thank
you
sure,
I
know,
okay,
deputy
mayor.
When
we
started
doing
notice,
unlike
state
law,
you
only
notice
Property
Owners
when
there
are
things
and
we
added
tenants
as
well
I
think
we
came
up
with
a
way
right
to
figure
out
the
apartments
that
were
you
know.
A
A
It's
not
in
the
urgency
ordinance,
but
you
know
doing
a
mailing.
If
we
do
pass
this,
let
them
know
what
their
rights
are
and
who
to
contact
if
they
feel
their
rights
are
being
denied,
because
I
think
we
it
took
a
little
while
to
do
that
as
I
recall
initially,
but
we
were
able
to
do
that
after
a
lot
of
work.
So
thank
you
for
that
by
the
way,
Flynn
I
do
remember
that
for
the
City
attorney.
A
A
Council
member
hostage,
thank
you
so
much
Madam,
mayor,
I,
agree
with
my
colleagues
comments
happy
to
support
the
urgency
ordinance
now
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
even
tonight
when
I
was
watching
the
Council
on
TV
talking
about
the
housing,
Supply
and
housing
stock
and
tracking
sort
of
how
many
empty
units
we
have,
how
many
rental
units
and
so
I'm
really
interested
in
one
supporting
this
ordinance
of
just
urgent
and
it's
really
a
crisis
for
tenants
and
thank
you
to
Mayor
Pro
tem
Garner
for
sharing
her
experience
as
a
renter
on
Council.
A
That
voice
is
so
important
and
I
also
have
a
renter
in
my
as
my
Council
fellow
Lauren
wolfer
who's
done
a
lot
of
work,
trying
to
collect
information
for
the
city
and
for
my
office
about
rent
increases,
and
it's
been
hard
to
just
understand
from
a
data
perspective.
What
policy
we
need
to
solve
this
issue!
I
mean
it's
clear.
We
need
just
a
lot
more
Supply.
That
demand
is
too
high
for
the
need,
and
so
one
I'd
love
to
also
either.
A
If
we
support
this
now
as
a
regular
ordinance
or
if
Council
wants
to
propose
different
Caps
or
different
amounts,
that
might
make
more
sense,
I
know
that
the
house
that
I
moved
into
in
2015,
2015
I
think
the
rent
was
like
2400
a
month
and
it's
a
three
bedroom
house
with
a
pool
and
a
yard.
It's
now
probably
more
like
5500
or
more.
A
So
it
really
is
a
dire
dire
situation
for
for
people
and
so
I'm.
Just
I'd
just
be
clear
because
people
say
all
kinds
of
things:
I
don't
pay
that
amount,
that's
the
amount
that
it
would
cost
on
the
market,
and
so
it's
really
unaffordable
for
nearly
everyone
in
the
city.
A
A
So
the
10
is
really
on
top
of
you
know,
20
or
more,
and
then
I'd
like
to
see
if
there
are
other
things
that
we
can
include
policies
that
councilmember
cores
and
I
and
others,
including
mayor
Middleton,
when
we
were
on
the
housing
policy
committee,
we
worked
on
or
talked
about
so
I
know
that
the
city
I
agree
with
council
member
Coors.
We
had
relocation,
assistants
that
the
city
has
discussed
and
considered.
A
Some
cities
are
doing
a
rental
registry
to
collect
information
about
what
rentals
exist
and
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
As
we
talk
about
which
are
vacant
which
are
vacation
rentals,
which
are
long-term
rentals,
we
really
need
to
get
a
hold
on
how
much
long-term
rentals
we're
losing
out
on
and
what
the
supply
is.
So
I
think
our
rental
registry
would
be
really
helpful,
I'm
really
interested
in
providing
notice
to
tenants
in
addition
to
or
included
in
this
ordinance.
A
We
did
that
with
the
moratorium
on
rent
during
covid,
and
that
was
really
helpful
because,
like
the
staff
report
notes,
many
tenants
don't
know
about
their
rights
or
the
changes
in
the
law
and,
frankly,
as
a
tenants,
rights
attorney,
who's
been
out
of
it
just
for
a
few
years.
It's
really
hard
to
follow
all
the
changes
in
state
and
city
laws,
so
I
think
notice
to
tenants
would
be
really
helpful.
Along
with
this,
and
then
you
know,
we've
had
conversations
about
legal
assistance
for
tenants.
A
The
Human
Rights
Commission
used
to
provide
free,
negotiated
mediation
between
landlords
and
tenants,
and
it
no
longer
does
I
know
we
do
that
with
the
fair
counseling
Housing
Council,
but
they're,
not
here
so
I've
had
conversations
with
legal
providers
like
Inland
Counties,
Legal
Services,
who
are
interested
in
doing
tenants
rights
clinics
here
in
Palm,
Springs
I
think
they
would
just
need
help
with
some
funding.
So
sorry,
it's
very
very
late
I'm
working
12-hour
days,
my
baby
wakes
up
still
at
night,
so
I'm
very
tired.
A
So
that
was
a
lot
but
to
summarize
support
the
urgency
or
urgency
as
it
is
and
interested
to
hear
from
Council
if
they'll
consider.
Lower
amounts
really
would
also
like
to
include
relocation,
assistance,
a
rental
registry
notice
to
tenants
and
have
the
council
explore
legal
assistance
and
then
I
had
a
question
just
for
Jeff
Ballinger
for
the
City
attorney,
often
what
I'm
hearing
from
tenants
and
what
I'm
seeing
Nationwide
as
a
trend
is
that
landlords
are
to
get
around
some
of
these
caps
they're,
including
additional
fees
like
pet
rent
or
other
fees.
A
You
know
fees
to
pay
your
rent
by
credit
card,
Etc
lots
of
different
fees
and
fines
sort
of
on
top
of
rent.
So
could
you
just
explain
for
the
people
who
are
watching
if
this
would
include
additional
fees,
that
a
landlord
could
add
on
like
pet
rent
or
hearing
pet
rent
could
be
up
to
you,
know
fifty
dollars
or
a
hundred
dollars
per
pet
per
unit,
but
which
is
obviously
a
significant
amount?
A
If
you
have
say
three
cats,
or
something
like
that,
so
for
the
City
attorney
is
pet
rent
or
additional
fees
included
in
the
cap
under
state
law
or
under
this
ordinance,
it
is.
The
definition
of
rent
includes
all
periodic
payments,
as
well
as
any
security
deposit,
any
non-monetary
consideration,
including
but
not
limited
tune.
Then
it
lists
a
number
of
items
and
it
includes
consideration,
demanded
or
paid
for
parking
pets,
furniture
and
subletting.
A
A
So
I'll
see
what
council
has
to
say
and
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation
with
my
colleagues.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
Woods,
Mr
Ballinger.
Can
you
just
talk
about
when
maximum
Allah
rent
actually
happens
in
our
city
and
how
this
dovetails
with
that.
A
Well
so
this
would
allow,
as
I
mentioned,
only
one
rental
increase
per
12-month
period,
and
so,
if
there's
been
a
rent
increase
that
a
landlord
has
imposed
within
the
last
12
months,
the
landlord
would
have
to
wait
until
that
12-month
period
is
reached,
and
then
they
would
have
to
calculate
the
the
percentage
amount
for
the
last
12
months
and
the
CPI
that's
based
on
the
last
12
months
when
they
go
to
to
increase
the
rent.
A
If
they're
going
to
do
that,
so
just
I
want
to
be
clear
to
the
public,
because
I
think
it's
been
in
the
paper,
if
I'm,
renting
an
apartment
and
I'm
not
at
the
maximum
allowable
rent
that
the
city
has
established
and
that
maximum
allowable
rent
is
above
10
to
what
I'm
currently
playing
paying
the
landlord
would
not.
Would
this
ordinance
be
able
to
bring
me
up
to
the
maximum
level
which
is
beyond
10?
A
If
you're
talking
about
a
piece
of
property
that
is
regulated
Say
by
a
regulatory
Covenant
correct,
they
would
not
be
able
to
bring
it
up
to
what
might
be
otherwise
allowed
under
that
Covenant.
Instead,
they
would
be
limited
to
the
percentage
amounts
that
are
contained
in
this
ordinance.
Great.
Thank
you.
A
So
I'm
going
to
keep
my
comments
very
short,
I'm,
going
to
vote
for
the
urgency
ordinance
I'm
doing
so,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
I
believe
rent
control
is
not
the
appropriate
vehicle
to
increase
the
housing
supply
to
the
level
that
we
need
to
get
to.
But
we
are
a
long
way
from
that
and
there
are
measures
that
need
to
be
taken
at
this
time.
But
we
are
in
a
crisis
in
this
state
because
we
have
not
built
an
adequate
supply
of
housing.
A
Council
member
course,
since
they're
sort
of
and
yes
I,
agree
this.
This
helps
keep
some
affordability
with
existing
units,
but
it
doesn't
get
us
the
huge
amount
of
units
the
state
needs
our
city
needs.
The
whole
valley
needs
what
I'd
like
to
suggest
and
I
know.
It's
late
is
just
vote
on
the
urgency
item
and
then
just
see
if
they're,
if
people
want
us
to
bring
back
something
separate
from
the
urgency
item,
so
I
will
move
the
urgency
item.
A
A
Yes,
with
a
caveat
that,
basically
it's
mimicking
state
law,
mayor,
Middleton,
aye,
five
eyes,
zero
knows
in
the
interest
of
further
Direction
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversation
already
around
Concepts
and
ideas
has
staff
heard
What
what
seems
to
be
the
overwhelming
view
of
Council
as
to
what
we
need
to
do
going
forward?
A
I've
I've
heard
about
half
a
dozen
ideas,
so
unless
there
are
any
objections
to
any
of
those
I've
written
them
down
and
I
can
bring
back
a
staff
Report
with
a
discussion
of
those
in
one
of
the
next
countries.
If
we
miss
something
we'll
come
back
to
it,
should
I
read
the
title:
I
read
the
title:
I'm
sorry
should
I
read
the
title.
A
Yes,
you
can
adopt
an
urgency
ordinance
entitled
in
urgency,
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
prohibiting
annual
residential,
real
property
rental
rate
increases
that
exceed
10
percent
or
five
percent,
plus
local
Consumer
Price
Index.
Whichever
is
lower
all
right.
Thank
you.
We
are
now
to
city,
council
and
city
manager,
comments,
reports
and
agenda
development
and,
as
we
all
know,
this
city
council
is
heading
towards
its
last
three
meetings.
A
A
I
might
ask
that
we
also
have
displayed
our
future
agenda
lists
please,
if
yeah
and
just
so
just
to
follow
up
on
that
last
piece.
So
Jeff
City
attorney
sorry
Mr
Ballinger,
whatever
so
you're
going
to
bring
something
back
based
on
the
various
comments
regarding
eviction
coverage,
a
different
cat,
a
different
cap,
Etc
yeah
I,
don't
want
to
promise
that
the
October
meeting,
but
possibly
in
November,
either
the
first
or
second
meeting
November
okay,.
A
So
since
we've
been
talking
about
it,
if
there's
room
for
that
in
this
window,
that
would
be
good
to
have
the
only
thing
I
really
wanted
to
I.
Don't
think
we'll
have
our
vacation
rental
draft
ordinance
by
the
way
now
until
November
10th.
So
that's
changed.
A
little
add
is
I
know.
You
know
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
that
sort
of
went
on
back
burner
was
blue
zones,
which
is
a
health
project.
A
That's
run
now
as
a
non-profit
through
Adventist,
Health
and
council
member
I.
Think
then
mayor.
So
it
was
a
while
ago
when
we
started
holstage
and
I
worked
with
them
a
lot
and
we've
brought
a
bunch
of
Healthcare
and
philanthropy
and
tourism
through
the
valley
on
it,
and
we
decided
we
put
it
on
back
burner
as
we
were
trying
to
do
other
priorities.
A
So
the
county,
especially
due
to
Evident
health
running
blue
zones,
has
decided
to
do
do
trial
projects
in
five
cities
in
Riverside
County
one
in
each
supervisor
district
and
to
know
we
can
all
guess
which
city
it
is,
and
here
it's
on
the
supervisor
and
his
chief
of
staff
live
in
Coachella,
which
is
great
they're
doing
it,
but
blue
zones
reached
out
and
there's
an
opportunity.
A
If
we
will
find
we
can
tag
on
to
the
feasibility
study
for
Palm
Springs,
which
really
involves
reaching
out
to
the
community
doing
the
research.
It's
not
a
staff
driven
it's
driven
by
them,
and
if
there
is
the
interest
in
the
community
which,
given
our
community
I
anticipate,
there
will
be
it's
funded
through
philanthropy
right.
They
hire
the
staff,
it's
not
City
run.
A
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
tag
on
if
we
pretty
much
decide
at
our
next
meeting.
I
think
the
cost
of
the
full
feasibility
study
and
process
was
85,
000
versus.
If
we
did
this
on
our
own.
So
you
know
it
would
be
nice
to
have
an
East
and
West
Valley
City
doing
this
so
I'd
like
to
bring
that
back
for
Council
to
consider
that
they've
already
sent
the
proposal
which
I
shared
with
our
assistant
city
manager
on
what
that
would
look
like.
A
So
we
can
bring
back
that
at
our
next
meeting.
I
think
it's
a
relatively
short
item,
but
if
we
want
someone
from
Blue
zones
who
presented
before
we
can
I
can
arrange
to
have
them
as
well
all
right,
any
others.
A
If
they're
supportive
staff
I
might
have
counsel
for
that,
we
can
go
ahead
and
schedule
that
comes
to
see
nodding,
heads
okay,
we
can't
we
can't
see
councilmember
hostage
anymore
I.
Yes,
we've
lost
council
member
holsters.
Yes,
we
have
to
go
back
and
forth
hi.
We
can
see
you
again.
Councilmember
Halsted
your
hand
is
up.
I
was
just
waving
hello.
Can
we
split
screen
it
I
know
and
I
can't
actually
even
see
your
screen,
but
I
have
it
pulled
up
here
if
it's
identical
to
the
one
that
was
emailed
to
us,
it
is.
A
A
From
my
schedule,
I
may
not
attend
the
and
for
the
public
as
well.
I
have
an
election,
obviously
the
8th
and
then,
if
I
win,
that
election
I
may
have
meetings
for
caucus
in
Sacramento
on
the
10th
during
the
day.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
I'll
be
able
to
attend
the
10th,
I
hope
I
will,
if
I'm
able
to
I
will
on
Zoom.
A
But
if
there
are
items
like
sidewalk
vending
and
food
trucks
is
one
thing
that
I've
asked
for
for
almost
five
years:
I'd
love
to
see
that
come
earlier.
If
it
can
same
with
child
care,
Zone
text,
amendment
I,
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
commit
to
that
meeting
so
just
to
flag
that
for
staff
and
the
council
and
the
community
I
would
like
to
participate
in
those
I
do
have
a
new
request.
A
If
I
can
it's
one
thing,
I've
talked
about
for
a
few
time,
a
few
a
while
now
I'm
really
concerned,
leaving
it
aside
the
substantive
issue
of
the
vacation
rentals,
which
I'm
recused
from
really
concerned
about
the
ongoing
trend
of
the
city
of
host
having
and
convening
meetings,
stakeholder
groups
task
force
commissions
with
out
women
without
people
of
color,
without
people
impacted
by
the
issues
huge
concern
I've
raised
before
the
need
to
maybe
mimic
like
a
state
bill,
that's
been
passed
to
require
a
certain
amount
of
diversity,
metrics
or
at
least
collect
those
metrics.
A
That's
one
thing
that
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
work
group
recommended
we're
going
to
get
better
decisions
on
all
of
these
issues
and
more
will
come
up
if
we
actually
have
women
and
people
of
color
and
other
people
with
diverse
experiences
on
our
boards
and
commissions
and
task
force.
I
just
think
it's
absolutely
wrong
for
the
city
to
convene
a
task
force
with
9
out
of
10
men
on
it
and
know
people
color
so
I
do
not
want
to
see
that
happen
again
and
I.
A
Don't
think
saying
it
for
five
years
is
enough
and
I'd
like
to
see
us
bring
forward
a
policy
where
at
least
reporting
that
data?
If
not,
we
have
a
policy
that
actually
requires
certain
seats
for
certain
demographic
groups
or
other
policy
in
a
way
that
the
city
attorney's
office
would
recommend
so
I.
Very
much
would
like
to
see
that
come
forward
as
well
before
you
know
in
the
next
few
meetings,
if
possible,
and
that's
the
only
request
I
have,
and
we
have
been
pretty
good
about
not
asking
for
a
new
Council
items.
A
I
was
trying
to
pull
up
the
the
email
and
I'm
not
finding
it
right
away.
Can
we
actually
put
the
screen
back
up
there?
We
go.
Thank
you
I'm,
just
wondering.
If
the
dress
code
can't
just
be
a
simple
consent
item,
does
it
need
to
be
anything
more
than
that?
It's
an
ordinance
and
I
will
I'll
bring
bring
it
back
in
a
way
that
can
be
done
on
consent.
It
just
it'll
just
call
for
reading
the
title
all
right
and
it's
the
same
with
the
turf
conversion.
A
Does
that
need
to
be
a
long
discussion
of
anything
sorry
I,
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
be
a
long
discussion.
However,
we
would
like
the
council
to
weigh
in
on
the
proposal
that's
coming
forward
out
of
the
sustainability
commission.
Okay
I
may
not
be
available.
November
1st
I
might
be
available
by
phone
or
Zoom
just
to
let
everyone
know
and
I'll
accommodate
whatever
we
can
on
that.
A
A
couple
things
that
had
been
one
is
I
see
there
are
adult
laws
and
are
are
coming
up.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
done
before
the
the
end
of
the
year
and
we
had
I
had
been
asking
for
you
know
we
traffic
calming
options
that
we
expand
them
from
what
we
currently
have,
which
is
basically
just
speed
bumps
that
we
expand
those
to
other
things
that
should
be
very
simple
to
bring
forward.
I
can't
see
that
as
being
difficult.
A
It's
just
expanding
the
toolbox
of
options
for
people.
I
had
hoped
that
we
would
deal
with
bus
stops
in
the
general
Plan
update.
I,
don't
know,
is
I,
don't
see
the
general
Plan
update
on
this
before
the
end
of
the
year.
So
maybe
we
can
just
bring
up
something
about
bus
stop
standards
so
that
our
Planning
Commission
is
more
directed
about
that
I.
Think
sunline
has
got
a
bunch
of
stuff,
but
we're
all
over
the
map
with
that
and
we're
not
creating
a
really
good
transit
system
for
people.
I.
A
A
We
have
scheduled
to
begin
the
rewrite
of
the
city's
zoning
code
in
2023.
You've
already
allocated
funding
for
that.
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
do
the
design
guidelines
at
the
same
time
that
we're
doing
the
update
to
the
zoning
code
so
that
we
can
have
those
go
together,
hand
in
hand,
okay
and
that's
something
you'd
run
through
our
Planning
Commission
and
obviously
as
well,
yeah
absolutely
and
then
we
also
have
the
the
architectural
committee,
the
community
architectural
committee
that
will
participate
in
that.
Okay.
A
So
maybe,
if
we,
if
we're
not
going
to
look
at
the
general
plan
which
it
doesn't
appear,
we
are
something
on
bus
stops.
It
could
be
very
simple
and
then
traffic
calming
options
which
is
again
could
be
very
simple
on
that
I.
Don't
think
that
those
are
difficult
items.
Thank
you.
A
I
we
do
have
a
very
strong
possibility
of
having
a
city
council
vacancy
created
as
a
result
of
the
November
8th
election
and
I
would
like
to
ask
that,
with
the
consent
of
my
colleagues
that
we
have,
the
City
attorney
give
us
a
briefing
at
the
October
27th
city
council
meeting
regarding
all
of
the
options
that
are
available
to
city
council
for
filling
that
vacancy
and
again
this
would
not
be
a
discussion
of
what
we
will
do,
but
a
discussion
of
what
are
all
of
the
legal
options
of
what
we
can
do
and
I
think
I
see
head
shaking
on
that
that,
like
more
of
a
presentation
or
is
it
an
agenda
item
I
think
it
should
be
a
agenda.
A
Take
input
on
our
op
okay.
So
we
can
take
him,
but
I
wasn't
sure
what
he's
thinking
okay
and
the
last
item
I
have
is
something
that
I
don't
believe
that
we
can
get
to
on
this
Council,
but
I'd
like
to
surface
the
issue
so
that
we
set
it
up
hopefully
soon
after
I
was
in
Washington
DC.
This
past
week
and
Monday
October
11
was
indigenous
people's
day.
It
was
a
federal
holiday.
A
We
have
tended
to
try
to
keep
track
with
federal
holidays,
I
think
it's
something
that
we
definitely
should
be
looking
at
here,
particularly
given
the
importance
of
the
Agua
Caliente
people
to
our
community.
So
I
would
like
to
see
us
bring
forward
discussion
on
adding
that
I
believe
we
have
already
added
Juneteenth
as
a
holiday
and
I'm
fully
supportive
of
glad.
We
have
done
that.
A
Yes,
just
obviously
you'll
look
at
this
this
list,
but
just
I
don't
know
if,
like
the
given
the
first
draft
of
vacation,
rental
ordinance
is
going
to
be
on
the
10th
and
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
longer
and
we
have
I,
don't
know,
what's
ready
that
you
can
move
up,
but
obviously
you'll
figure
that
out.
So
we
don't
have
an
empty
meeting
and
a
crazy
meeting.
I
did
want
to
ask
the
rest
of
council.
A
We
move
the
meeting
that
was
gonna,
be
December
1st
to
Tuesday
the
29th
and
I
know
it
was
already
the
29th
that
you
want
to.
No,
it
was
initially
on
the
first
and
we
moved
it
to
the
29th
I
wanted
to
see
if
people
could
move
it
to
the
28th.
That's
what
I
thought
you
wanted
to
say
and
the
reason
I'm
I'm
asking
is
when
I
know
it's
more
convenient
for
the
mayor
who's,
a
conference
as
well.
But
after
you
know
three
years
after
a
couple
years
of
covid.
A
The
first
awards
for
employees
in
the
tourism
industry
is
the
night
of
the
29th,
and
it's
one
that
normally
council
members
you
know
go
to.
We
want
to
be
supportive
of
the
workers.
So
if
that
works
for
staff
and
Council
grade,
if
not,
you
know,
we
can
keep
another
20
20th
work
good,
doesn't
work
for
you.
Let
me
look
and
I
can't
see
councilman
for
hostage
she
might
be
nodding
or
shaking
her
head.
A
A
I'm
not
sure
that
would
work,
but
we'll
email
me
and
what
we
can
talk
about
it,
I
guess
or
that.
Okay,
the
city
clerk
can
email
me
in
no
I.
I
won't
be
won't,
be
here.
Okay,
for
that,
it's
just
yeah
I
won't
be
in
town
and
keep
it
on
the
29th,
then
you'll
be
in
town,
20th,
I'll
be
in
town,
yes,
okay,
I
believe
yeah.
If
it
doesn't
work
for
everyone,
so
yeah,
let's
see
how
well.
A
The
airport,
with
it
in
front
of
my
face
all
right,
I
think
we
have
reached
the
sorry
Teresa.
Just
just
a
couple
more
comments,
one
we
did
want
to
just
confirm.
We
can't
it
looks
like
we
would
be
able
to
bring
back
the
appoint
options
for
appointment
if
we
have
a
vacancy
on
the
council
at
the
next
meeting,
I'm
confirming
that
was
your
desire.
Yes,
thank
you.
A
We
also
would
have
a
couple
more
items
that
we
can
add
to
that
agenda
and
then,
last
but
not
least,
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
all
mayor
and
Council
that
we
have
been
working
with
the
Arts
commission
and
have
a
mural
that
is
submitted
for
aquisher
arena.
But
we've
been
recently
notified
that
there
is
a
little
more
time
in
that
process
to
submit
our
final
mural
and
I.
A
Think
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
move
that
run,
that
by
a
few
members
of
the
tourism
industry,
just
to
have
a
look
at
the
design
that
is
submitted
and
let
us
know
you
know,
give
us
a
look-see
and
if
anything,
if
there's
any
red
flags
to
please
let
us
know
before
we
finalize,
since
we
have
a
little
more
time
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
reaching
out
to
a
few
members
of
the
industry.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know.
A
So
1208
a.m.
On
October
18
are
October
17
meeting
as
adjourned.
Please
be
safe
out
there.
We
will
come
back
in
10
days
on
October
27th
at
5
30
in
the
afternoon.
Thank
you.