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From YouTube: City Council | Nov 10 2022
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Regular meeting of the Palm Springs City Council, held November 10th, 2022
This broadcast will also include a report on the Closed Session of Nov 10th, 2022
B
C
A
A
Good
evening,
just
a
note
for
everyone
when
we
do
get
to
public
testimony
because
of
the
number
of
speakers
that
we
have,
we
are
going
to
make
some
modifications
to
our
normal
process
for
receiving
public
comment.
A
We
will
first
in
public
comment
on
agenda
items,
hear
public
comment
for
anyone
who
is
speaking
on
something
other
than
agenda
item
3A.
Once
that
is
completed,
we
will
move
to
public
comments
on
agenda
item
3A.
We
will
first
hear
in
a
five-minute
presentation
from
representatives
of
those
who
are
generally
opposed
to
the
recommendations
that
are
before
us
this
evening.
We
will
then
hear
a
five-minute
presentation
from
representatives
of
those
who
are
generally
in
favor
of
the
recommendations
we
recognize.
A
Very
few
people
will
be
100
percent
in
favor
or
100
percent
opposed.
Following
that,
we
will
hear
public
comment
from
everyone
who
is
in
Chambers.
Who
wishes
to
make
a
public
comment?
Those
public
comments
will
be
limited
to
one
minute.
Everyone
is
encouraged
if
what
you
have
intended
to
say
has
already
been
said
that
you
do
not
necessarily
need
to
say
it
again,
but
you
certainly
have
every
right
to
say
to
make
your
public
comment.
A
Following
all
of
the
public
comments
from
individuals
and
Chambers,
we
will
make
contact
with
all
of
those
who
have
requested
to
make
public
comment
by
phone
at
last
I
heard
there
are
at
least
36
who
have
requested
public
comment
by
phone
again.
Those
will
be
limited
to
one
minute
following
that,
we
will
then
move
into
the
balance
of
our
agenda.
Thank
you
with
that
roll
call.
Please.
A
E
E
F
You
very
much
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
council.
Excuse
me
I'm
happy
to
become
part
of
the
team,
as
she
mentioned
in
my
past,
almost
22
years
with
the
city
of
Chino
I,
oversaw
Citywide
maintenance,
along
with
many
different
projects,
I
look
forward
to
using
my
skills
to
help
provide
a
high
level
of
service
for
our
community
and
for
all
those
my
department
serves
and
I
really
am
thankful
and
appreciate
the
opportunity.
Thank
you.
F
A
We
do
not
have
any
presentations
this
evening.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
City
council
will
discuss
the
order
of
the
agenda.
May
amend
the
order,
add
urgency,
items,
note,
abstentions
or
no
votes
on
the
consent.
Calendar
items,
our
request,
consent
calendar
items
to
be
removed
for
a
separate
discussion.
I
would
like
to
entertain
a
motion
for
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
items?
Staff
or
a
council
member
would
like
removed
from
the
consent
calendar
for
separate
discussion
or
vote?
A
G
Could
I
remove
one
n
and
one?
Oh.
A
H
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
testimony.
This
is
public
testimony
for
non-public
hearing
agenda
items
only
as
mentioned
earlier.
We
will
first
begin
with
a
five-minute
presentation
and
I
will
ask
Mr
Hoban
to
begin
with
that.
First
presentation.
We
will
then
have
a
second
five
minute
presentation
that
will
be
started
by
Mr
Plant
following
that
comments
will
be
at
one
minute
each
before
you
come
up
Mr
Feldman,
Mr,
Hogan
city
clerk.
Do
we
have
any
comments
on
items
other
than
3A?
Yes,.
A
L
Hello
thanks
for
hearing
me:
how
do
you
start
this
timer
I'm
going
to
do
that?
Okay,
there
we
go
I
come
here
as
a
citizen
of
Palm
Springs,
but
also
as
a
co-owner
of
training
and
discipline,
which
is
a
health
club
on
takowitz.
We
are
more
interested
in
the
nudity
portion
of
the
of
the
item,
which
is
e,
3E
I
believe
it
is,
then
we
are
the
sex
clubs
because
we're
not
a
sex
club,
but
we
would
really
like
the
nudity
rules
to
be
relaxed.
L
L
These
are
we
have
big
Windows
looking
over
Taco
wits,
but
we
do
have
lines
over
them
and
so
I
think
that
wouldn't
be
an
issue,
but
it
would
be
very
helpful
and
also
the
time
restriction
changed
to
6
a.m
would
be
helpful
to
us
because
we
open
at
six
in
the
morning
and
there
might
be
naked
yoga
in
the
early
morning.
L
So,
as
as
a
business
person,
that's
my
take
as
a
as
a
private
citizen
I
welcome
the
expansion
of
sex
clubs
in
this
town,
I've
I,
don't
understand
why
we
do
not
have
any
I've
been
to
ones
in
various
cities
that
I've
visited.
They
are
not
a
blight
on
the
on
the
territory;
they
don't
need
to
be
hidden
in
industrial
zones.
They
are
quite
comfortable
in
business
areas
with
parking
generally,
they
even
have
their
own
private
parking,
lots
and
I
do
support
relaxing
and
allowing
those
things
that
we
can
locally.
M
This
is
for
everything
on
the
agenda.
My
name
is
Michael
Joseph
Pitkin
I
am
a
political
prisoner
of
religious
conscious
per
the
U.S
and
U.N
laws,
the
Geneva
conventions,
the
Hague
conventions
of
1899
and
1907,
and
the
Geneva
protocol
Robert's
Rules
and
brown
act.
The
public
May
address
on
any
matter
not
listed
on
the
agenda.
California
code,
section
54954.2,
the
council
May.
One
really
briefly
respond
to
statements
made
or
questions
posed
by
the
public
to
ask
a
question
for
clarification.
Three
make
a
brief
report
on
his
or
her
own
activities.
M
Four
provide
a
reference
to
staff
or
other
resources
for
factual
information.
Five
request
staff
to
report
back
at
a
subsequent
meeting
concerning
any
matter
raised
by
the
public
or
six
direct
staff
to
place
a
matter
of
business
on
a
future
agenda.
You
know
every
city
is
unique
and
should
not
be
cookie,
cuttered
identical
to
other
cities.
Thank
you.
A
N
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
I
own,
a
bar
here
in
town,
the
tool
shed
and
we
are
not
a
sex,
but
we
have
very
specific
rights
and
actions
that
are
allowed
by
the
Bureau
of
Alcohol
and
Beverage
Control.
N
But
we
do
have
an
underwear
night
and
what
concerns
me
is
if
our
customers
may
be
leaving
the
bar
and
they're
wearing
a
jock,
strap
or
they're
changing
in
their
car
as
opposed
to
using
closed
check,
they're
walking
through
the
parking
lot
wearing
a
jock
strap,
so
I
don't
want
them
to
be
able
to
be
arrested.
I
think
we've.
The
gay
community
has
fought
hard
for
rights.
N
D
O
Hello,
how
are
you
so
I
guess
this
is
in
regards
to
the
tpe
minor
modification?
You
know
we're
not
opposed
to
it.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
worried
about
the
statistics
of
you
know:
potential
crime
in
the
area
and
the
relative
proximity
as
long
as
everything's
managed
appropriately-
and
you
know,
everything's
handled
in
compliant
fashion,
because
you
know
we
know
our
neighbors
and
everything
seems
very
smooth
so
far,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everything's
handled
appropriately
and
we're
open
to
the
friendly
neighborhood
competition.
D
P
Yes,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Tim
haydorn
and
I
would
like
to
recommend
approval
of
item
3E
regarding
adult
businesses
and
public
nudity
as
a
step
toward
making
our
Municipal
Code
more
a
reflection
of
our
community
standards
at
Pride
last
week
and
I
handed
out
2
000
Sega
fans
and
asked
each
person.
How
do
you
say
gay?
The
most
common
word
love?
P
P
P
Lastly,
I
can't
overstate
the
benefits
to
our
community
and
state
of
creating
safe,
healthy
spaces
in
Palm
Springs,
for
people
to
come
together
and
share
Community
without
fear
and
oppression.
Safe
healthy
spaces
are
needed
now,
more
than
ever,
given
the
rising
tide
of
anti-lgbtq,
plus
hate
and
violence.
Sweeping
our
nation,
therefore
I
strongly
recommend
the
council
immediately
adopt
the
code
changes
as
proposed
in
item
3E.
Thank
you.
S
Oh
good
good
evening,
Madam
mayor
Middleton
and
council
members,
my
name
is
MJ
horn,
I'm,
a
Palm
Springs
resident
and
I'm,
calling
to
express
my
support
for
the
proposed
changes
on
Municipal
Code
5.77
pertaining
to
the
adult
oriented
businesses
I
currently
own,
and
operate
a
successful
adult
oriented
men's
club
in
Los,
Angeles
I
own
property
in
Palm
Springs
at
531,
East,
Industrial
Place.
S
This
is
property,
is
currently
Zone
cm
and
meets
allowed
to
operate
per
ordinance,
which
Creek
Walsh
runs
several
feet
behind
my
business.
Currently
it
separates
my
property
from
new
residential
homes
under
construction,
less
than
500
feet,
I
respectfully
request
you
consider
adding
a
waiver
process
to
this
ordinance
due
to
the
unique
characteristics
of
the
city
industrial
area.
In
addition,
not
all
adult
use,
ordinances
are
equally
the
same.
I
operate
a
private
membership
club
and
request
the
use
be
under
spas
and
clothing
optional
hotels,
not
as
sex
clubs.
This
is
a
private
membership.
S
A
A
T
J
J
J
J
That
said,
some
people
want
to
look
at
the
contracts.
Fine
everything's
on
the
table
that
happens
in
government,
and
so
we
engaged
our
biggest
concern
was
the
cliff
two
years
keeping
contracts
at
the
same
level
and
then
dropping
off
precipitously
by
I
think
30,
some
odd
or
40
percent.
So
we
have
engaged
and
we've
presented
some
numbers
that
would
be
a
graduated
decline
in
contracts.
We
didn't
stick
our
heads
in
the
sand
and
say
we
won't
talk.
J
We
won't
think
we
won't
get
creative,
so
we've
presented
something
that
would
go
from
36
to
20
36
contracts
to
28
over
the
course
of
five
years.
Very
graduated,
very
modulated
will
give
the
the
density
limits
that
seem
inevitable
a
chance
to
work
and
to
understand
what
implications
they
have
for
real
estate
values
for
vacation
rentals
Etc.
So
we
would
just
ask
that
you'd
be
moderate
in
your
actions
on
the
number
of
contracts
that
you
may
opt
to
reduce.
J
We
support
the
new
permit
at
a
level
of
eight
we've,
looked
at
the
data
and
seems
that
most
fall
in
that
five
to
eight
closer
to
eight
category
than
six
on
the
density
limits.
We
have
endorsed
density
limits.
We
believe
that
20
percent
is
the
right
number
you've
all
seen.
The
data
we've
presented
essentially
going
down
to
10
percent
will
mean
786
homes
eventually
will
transfer
around
the
city
in
some
way,
and
we
again
that
20
percent
it's
much
more
modulated.
J
It's
167
homes
and
only
seven
norgs,
very
graduated
sort
of
transitional
change,
rather
than
something
that's
much
more
radical,
let's
be
moderate
and
finally,
on
the
residency
requirements.
J
J
So
if,
for
whatever
reason,
the
council
feels
compelled
to
do
a
residency
requirement,
we
would
suggest
that
it
be
30
days
at
five
years,
but
I
would
really
urge
the
council
to
really
think
this
through
whether
that's
necessary
at
all
honestly
I
feel
like
it's
peeping
in
people's
bedrooms
to
some
extent,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
substance
in
the
rest
of
what
you're
doing
tonight
or
in
the
next
period
of
weeks
and
I
would
just
urge
you
to
think
about
that
particular
requirement
with
additional
care.
I
know
you've
thought
about
it
with
care
already.
U
Hello
again,
50
of
my
closest
friends.
Thank
you
for
taking
this
on.
I
know,
it's
not
easy.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
on
you.
Just
a
couple
quick
thoughts,
I'm
not
going
to
take
very
much
time,
I'm,
going
to
share
my
time
with
Jim,
Jim
and
I
were
both
members
of
the
Str
work
group,
as
was
Mike,
who
was
just
here
and
Bruce
and
I
enjoyed
working
with
both
of
them
very
much.
U
So,
in
my
opinion,
the
neighborhood
caps
are
the
most
important
part
of
what
you're
talking
about
tonight.
A
20
percent
cap
doesn't
solve
the
problem
of
oversaturation.
In
my
experience,
I
live
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
17
percent
str's
right
now.
The
result
is
that
the
block
behind
me
is
at
50
percent.
So
if
you
set
a
neighborhood
gap
of
20
that
Block's
going
to
go
to
55
60
percent,
that's
the
problem
with
it.
U
U
So
that's
my
main
concern
I.
Think
it's
a
good
plan.
I
will
say
one
last
thing,
and
that
is
I
am
sure
that
the
vacation
and
Rental
industry
in
La
Quinta
would
love
to
have
your
plan
on
the
table
tonight
compared
to
what
their
future
looks
like.
They
would
grab
this
in
a
minute
and
any
vacation
rental
group
of
the
70
cities
in
California
that
have
banned
vacation
rentals.
Any
of
the
formerly
active
vacation
rental
organizations
in
those
towns
would
grab
this
plan
in
a
minute
that
you're
proposing
thanks.
U
V
That
was
the
focus
of
our
committee.
Finding
a
moderate
solution
so
that
short-term
rentals
would
not
take
over
entire
blocks
in
our
neighborhoods.
We
all
agreed
on
an
ordinance
that
would
limit
the
quantity
of
rentals.
The
majority
votes
settled
on
10
percent
on
a
10
cap,
and
we
would
have
had
some
industry
support,
upping
it
to
15
percent.
V
I
will
note
that
the
loudest
voices
that
are
expressing
their
viewpoints
here
tonight
I
will
let
let
them
know
the
sky
is
not
falling.
If
we
limit
strs,
this
council
is
not
looking
to
Outlaw,
they
are
considering
a
moderate
solution
to
density.
Several
years
ago
at
1800
rentals,
our
local
economy
was
just
fine.
The
industry
was
flourishing
and
downtown
was
booming
with
new
businesses,
as
well
as
the
new
downtown.
By
the
time
any
ordinance
is
in
place.
We
will
have
an
excess
of
2
800
strs
in
our
city.
V
It's
proven
to
be
a
successful
option
financially
and
if
I
had
more
time
in
a
whiteboard
I
would
Katie
Porter
out
the
benefits
of
long-term
rental
over
short
term
in
some
in
most
cases,
back
to
moderation.
I
want
to
thank
this
Council
for
being
thoughtful
on
this
issue
and
exploring
all
options
and
reaching
out
to
all
stakeholders
and
taking
your
time.
V
This
action
is
better
than
the
alternative
of
an
indefinite
moratorium,
a
ban
or
doing
nothing
resulting
in
a
potential
measure,
a
as
we
just
witnessed
in
a
neighboring
community
I
will
leave
you
with
this
thought.
Residents
also
produce
tourism.
We
have
guests
that
stay
in
our
homes
they
go
out
and
they
spend
money.
The
residents
are
also
responsible
for
keeping
our
businesses
alive
in
the
summer
and
especially
during
covid.
Let's
not
confuse
this
issue
that
this
is
simply
about
noise
or
nuisance,
but
at
the
heart
it's
about
preserving
Community.
Thank
you.
D
K
Sleep
time
all
right,
so
thank
you
for
this
evening,
I'm
against
short
terminals.
They
run
counter
to
everything
that
I
grew
up
with
understanding
what
a
neighborhood
in
the
home
was
Community
stability
a
place
for
average
folks
could
actually
build
some
wealth
and
what
would
be
the
big
sassa
they
purchased
during
a
lifetime?
If
you,
as
you
go
through
your
discussions
and
deliberations,
I'd
like
you
to
take
into
account
who's
actually
making
Arguments
for
and
against
for
these
things,
investors
I,
don't
think
they
live
here.
K
I,
don't
think
they
care
about
the
city,
I
think
they're
here
to
make
a
quick
buck
and
monetize.
What
makes
this
city
special
and
draws
people
here
for
the
short-term
game.
I
think
the
folks
are
going
to
find
that
are
against
them.
Are
residents
like
myself,
voters
your
constituents,
one
could
say:
they've
already
voted
for
this
and
that
it
is
true
back
in
2018.
But
folks
in
this
town
are
pragmatic,
they're,
open-minded,
they're,
willing
to
get
things
a
chance,
I,
don't
think
the
folks
who
voted
for
that
anticipated.
K
It
would
end
up
like
this
ultimately
I
think
you
should
be
concerned
about
the
voters
and
the
folks
that
live
in
the
city.
They
are
what
who
they're
the
folks
who
make
the
city
what
it
is,
and
they
should
be
your
concern,
not
investors.
Thank
you
very
much.
W
Good
evening
hello,
my
name
is
Nicholas
churchan
I'm,
a
current
vacation
rental
homeowner
in
the
beautiful
city
of
Palm
Springs
that
I
love
I,
know.
I
have
I,
wrote
two
minutes
from
now,
once
so,
I'm
gonna
speak
a
little
fast
I'm,
going
to
cut
straight
to
the
point
as
to
why
putting
a
cap
on
the
amount
of
rental
permits
given
in
a
90-day
Residence
at
the
home
for
permit
holders
will
be
detrimental
to
both
the
city
and
to
us
house.
W
Prices
in
the
past
three
years
have
skyrocketed
from
the
median
selling
price
of
450
000
to
now
being
minimum
900
000..
That
being
said,
property
taxes
have
doubled
from
five
thousand
to
ten
thousand
a
year,
which
is
beneficial
to
the
City.
By
putting
a
cap
on
the
amount
of
permits
given
in
the
90-day
residency,
you
are
taking
away
the
income
that
goes
into
the
city
in
the
fiscal
year
of
2016
to
2017
vacation
rentals
generated
7.5
million
in
TLT
Revenue,
which
goes
directly
to
the
city's
general
fund.
W
That
was
more
than
25
of
the
total
tot,
which
was
29
million
collected
from
all
forms
of
transient
lodging
in
Palm
Springs.
When
renters
come,
give
me
like
30
seconds,
please
when
renters
come,
not
only
does
the
city
get
tax
benefits,
local
small
businesses
get
customers
as
well,
because
when
renters
come
they
do
shopping
in
bulk,
which
inevitably
keeps
businesses
and
jobs
up
and
running.
We're
already.
D
X
I
want
to
read
something
to
you:
we
did
a
serve
at
Paul
American
strategies.
The
National,
Association
realtor,
says
this
and
you've
all
heard
this
number
one
homeless,
crime,
infrastructure,
housing,
affordability,
government
and
competence.
Okay,
well,
no
offense
to
anybody
here:
education,
economy,
jobs,
traffic,
inflation,
monkey
pox
did
I
once
mention
vacation
rentals.
X
X
Y
Think
the
the
earlier
thank
you
Council
for
taking
the
time
the
earlier
speaker,
referencing,
homelessness,
affordability
of
diversity
and
Community.
It's
all
a
partial
reflection
of
the
problem
that
is
created
when
we
have
all
of
our
homes
being
sucked
away
from
us.
It
is
a
problem.
Look
around
this
room.
Y
You
have
in
you
have
individuals
who
are
threatening
you
and
putting
you
at
risk
with
their
taunts,
with
their
cheers
with
their
offensive,
behavior
and
they're
all
white,
and
some
of
them
are
gay,
and
some
of
them
are
not,
and
when
you
look
at
the
people
that
flood
into
our
community,
they
are
white
and
not
reflective
of
what
we
want
our
community
to
be.
We
want
our
community
to
be
welcoming
and
encouraging
neighbors
are
in
intimidated
by
these
yahoos.
That's
why
they're
not
here
today.
Z
I'd
like
to
just
make
a
recommendation
to
check
and
review
the
time
for
the
five
minutes
that
everybody
was
allowed
in
the
beginning
on
both
sides
and
strike
anything
at
five
minutes
in
one
second
and
after
that,
because
it
went
over
the
time
for
only
about
a
minute.
That's
fair
one
minute:
how
is
the
city
planning
to
make
up
for
the
Gap
in
the
funds
to
the
city?
Z
What
services
will
be
cut
because
of
those
funds?
Has
the
city
taken
into
consideration
the
business
failures
that
may
occur
for
the
businesses?
You
know
that
are
running
these
vacation.
Rentals
I
have
one
I
manage
it
myself
and
it's
just
fine,
but
those
others
sign
leases
and
they
have
this
who's
going
to
make
up
for
the
deficit
there
I
don't
think
the
city
will.
The
vote
should
not
take
place,
as
the
current
group
is
on
their
way
out
respectfully.
AA
Good
evening,
Council,
I'm,
David,
Rios
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
the
opportunity
and
all
the
hard
work
that
you
guys
have
all
done.
I
think
you
guys
executed
an
amazing
plan
in
his
work
so
far
and
I,
with
a
with
the
no
citations
and
the
money
that
we've
generated.
Why
not
keep
allowing
that
money
to
generate
affordable
housing
right
now
on
the
finance
industry?
They
take
a
portion
of
what
you
can
do.
AA
I
know
it's
a
short
number
that
you
guys
are
reducing,
but
that
number
makes
a
big
difference
when
people
are
trying
to
refinance
their
properties
and
that's
my
only
concern
is
the
refinance.
Market
people
come
here:
they're,
putting
down
25
to
50
down
payment
addition
to
that
they're
staging
their
property
and
they're,
adding
more
amenities.
They
want
a
chance
to
pay
back
their
credit
cards
and
other
things
in
that
nature.
AA
The
Latino
Community
the
gardeners,
the
gardeners,
the
couch
Keepers,
the
people
that
put
their
sweat
and
tears
into
our
city,
where
that's
thousands
of
times
that
they're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
work.
We
got
to
implement
they're
saving
money
and
filing
taxes
to
be
able
to
buy
property.
Here
we
have
500
listings.
We
haven't
had
that
since
2009
I've
lost
a
home
here
in
2008,
I
know
what
this
is
doing.
It's
going
to
drop
down
our
Market.
AB
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
Frank
Hundley
and
a
couple
of
years
ago,
I
achieved
a
decades-long
dream
and
became
the
proud
owner
of
an
Alexander
home
in
the
neighborhood
of
Little,
Beverly,
Hills
and
I'm.
Here,
to
ask
you
not
to
do
this
reduction,
having
relocated
here
from
a
state,
that's
very
hostile
to
lgbtq
people
being
a
part
of
this
community
is
really
meaningful
for
me
and
I've
endeavored
to
give
back
by,
among
other
things,
serving
my
neighborhood
organization
on
the
board.
AB
The
reason
that
I'm
able
to
live
this
literal
dream
life
is
because
I'm
able
to
rent
my
home
out
36
times
per
year
with
12
months
a
year,
that's
three
weekends,
a
month
which
means
I
get
all
the
weekdays
and
one
week
in
the
month
and
during
that
time,
I've
played
by
the
rules
never
received
a
citation
and
contributed
to
the
city's
coffers.
So
this
this
reduction
would
hurt
me
and
it's
hard
to
understand
why
you
would
want
to
do
that,
and
it's
important
to
me
that
you
hear
that.
AB
AC
AB
AB
AD
Council,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
speak
on
this
issue.
You've
been
very
thoughtful
and
considered
in
considering
everything
I
work
for
a
small
property
management
and
vacation
rental
company.
Here
in
Palm
Springs,
we
have
three
housekeeping
vendors
that
were
able
to
really
expand
their
and
their
business
at
the
end
of
covid.
When
we
saw
a
big
influx
of
business
into
the
city,
my
concerns
are,
they
will
lose
half
of
their
business
they're.
You
know
for
every
stay.
There
is
going
to
be
one
house
cleaning,
that's
going
to
be
done.
AD
That
is
up
to
three
to
four
people
that
will
be
cleaning
that
house
they
have
very
few
hours
to
get
in
there.
It's
because
they
got
to
move
on
to
the
to
the
next
house.
They
will
have
to
reduce
their
staffs
they'll
have
to
reduce
the
hours
of
the
staffs
that
they
do
keep
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
have
prided
ourselves
as
a
company
is
that
we
require
all
of
our
vendors
to
pay
a
living
wage.
By
reducing
these
numbers,
they
will
then
effectively
not
be
able
to
pay
a
living
wage.
AE
Former
mayor
of
the
city
of
Sierra,
Madre
I've,
been
on
your
side
of
the
Dias
Madam
mayor
mayor,
Pro,
tem,
council
member.
Of
course
you
guys
have
handled
this
issue
very
well.
I
watched
the
last
two
meetings
on
it,
but
for
those
of
you
who
think
that
investors
are
these
evil
corporations,
a
lot
of
investors
are
like
me:
I've
got
my
wife
and
I
bought
a
place.
AE
AE
You
know
we'll
keep
us
from
from
being
able
to
manage
that
fiscally
well
and
and
we'll
have
to
reconsider
whether
or
not
this
is
going
to
suit
what
we
need,
but,
furthermore,
it'll
keep
tens
of
thousands
of
visitors
to
this
city
who
eaten
and
Shop
in
the
downtown
areas
who
luxuriate
in
the
beautiful
architecture
that
we
have
here
and
it's
just
it's
it's
something
that
we
should.
We
should
be
encouraging
more
people
to
come,
not
putting
limits
on
that.
As
the
90-day
rule,
we've
got
kids
there
in
school.
That's
the
way.
AF
Hello,
since
I'm
cut
down
to
a
minute
I'm
going
to
toss
this,
and
just
tell
you
something:
personal
I'm,
74
and
I
have
cancer
and
I
wanted
to
move
to
the
east
coast.
To
be
with
my
son,
for
my
last
chapter,
I
put
my
house
on
the
market
a
little
over
three
months
ago.
It's
in
Sunrise
Park,
my
agent
said
the
house
is
worth
two
million
dollars
back
at
the
height
of
it.
I
started
out
at
one
five
dropped
the
price
three
times
to
one
250.
AF
and
no
one
wanted
to
look
at
the
house
and
it's
a
great
house.
The
reason
we
were
hearing
besides
the
economy
and
the
interest
rates
of
course,
was
all
that's
going
on
with
the
moratorium
and
that
and
has
killed
my
house
sale
and
it's
going
to
kill
the
prices.
I
spent
40
years
in
Seattle
as
an
agent
I'm,
not
one
here
now.
AG
Thank
you
so
much
I'm,
a
honor,
homeowner
and
taxpayer
here
in
Palm,
Springs
and
I've,
been
closely
following
this
discussion
and
I'm
surprised
that
this
legislation
is
being
introduced
tonight.
As
worded,
the
city
council
asked
thoughtful
and
excellent
questions
during
the
vacation
rental
working
group
presentation
on
September
29th
and
made
some
very
specific
requests
from
the
working
group
for
more
information
on
things
like
how
neighborhood
densities
will
impact
neighborhood
property
values
and
how
the
net
negative
tourist
dollars
will
impact
our
city,
specifically
local
businesses.
AG
It's
difficult
to
imagine
a
vote
tonight
without
that
crucial
data,
here's
a
myth,
short-term
rentals,
have
made
housing
less
affordable
in
Palm
Springs
and
that
this
furthers
the
argument
to
cap
and
limit
short-term
rentals
in
our
city.
This
is
a
red
herring
argument
and
is
simply
not
true.
I.
Ask
you,
as
my
city
Representatives,
what
problem
are
you
trying
to
solve
with
these
proposed
changes.
AH
Good
evening,
I'm
Brent
dime,
thank
you
for
this
time
and
this
opportunity
to
to
speak
in
front
of
you
tonight,
I'm
a
relatively
new
homeowner
in
the
movie
Colony
East
I'm
I
I
purchased,
my
home
in
2020
and
I'm,
a
proud
and
I'm,
proud
to
host
guests,
fulfilling
their
fantasies
of
leisure
and
luxury.
We
have
a
few.
We
have
a
great
treasure
in
Palm
Springs,
not
not
only
just
in
terms
of
architecture
and
geolocation,
but
it's
a
special
place
and
I'm
super
proud
to
be
part
of
it.
AH
Most
of
my
points
have
already
been
made
tonight,
but
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
the
density
map
is
a
really
bad
idea.
We
have
a
history
of
creating
lines
in
our
in
our
our
city,
grids
and
I.
Just
think
it's
a
really
terrible
idea
to
try
and
do
something
like
that
for
a
lot
of
reasons
not
just
for
improving
condition,
living
conditions
in
the
neighborhood,
but
we
just
we
just
already
have
enough
lines
in
our
neighborhood
and
I.
Just
think.
It's
a
terrible
idea.
AH
Also,
tinkering
with
the
contract
limits
is
just
creating
unpredictability,
and
it
makes
it
it
not
just
untenable
for
me
over
the
lifetime
of
my
ownership,
but
it
just
becomes
unpredictable
and
I'd
be
more
thoughtful.
AI
That
requires
60
days
prior
approval
floor
plans,
everything
that
Splash
House
does
my
events
at
the
such
properties
is
the
Frank
sinata
Twin
Palms
all
required
to
submit
that
with
security,
with
a
full
presence
on
site,
the
entire
time,
which
is
usually
me
or
a
staff
member?
We
do
these
things
very
strictly.
I'm,
proud
of
the
designations
I
have
in
the
event
industry
of
being
a
certified
meeting
planner
and
a
CMM.
Those
are
the
highest
designations.
You
can
get
in
that
industry.
AI
AJ
Hi
good
evening
I'm
here
with
my
wife
Maureen
and
my
wife
and
I,
purchased
our
Palm
Springs
home
in
September
in
good
faith,
with
the
idea
that
we
would
be
able
to
supplement
our
mortgage
with
short-term
rental
income.
We
are
very
much
caught
in
the
middle
of
this
and
feel
like
it's
not
fair,
that
the
rules
are
changing
on
us.
After
the
fact
we
had
known
about
the
proposed
changes
had
we
had
known
about
the
promotional
we
would
not
have
purchased
our
home
here.
AJ
Occupancy
requirements,
an
occupation
requirement
of
any
length
would
not
be
would
be
a
significant
hardship
for
our
family.
Since
we
live
in
Ventura
County
with
our
two
children.
Also,
we
purchased
our
home
with
a
1031
exchange,
taking
our
life
savings
out
of
our
former
home
near
Seattle
and
putting
it
into
this
house.
AJ
The
IRS
has
stipulated
that
any
homes
purchased
with
a
1031
exchange
cannot
be
used
for
personal
use,
more
than
14
days
or
10
percent
of
the
days
we
rent
the
home
per
year,
and
any
more
of
this
would
put
a
significant
risk
on
with
us
and
the
IRS.
We
just
hope
that
you
take
this
occupancy
requirement
out.
AK
Thank
you,
I'm
a
resident
of
Sunrise
Park
neighborhood
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
please
don't
enact
any
of
these
restrictions.
If
it's
not
broke,
please
don't
fix
it.
You
have
a
very
successful
ordinance.
It's
worked.
The
people
in
Palm
Springs
voted
overwhelmingly
in
favor
of
vacation
rentals.
The
people
of
Palm
Springs
want
vacation
rentals.
So
please
do
not
make
any
changes
in
that
regard.
I
think
it's
fine!
The
way
it
is
also
in
respect
to
the
tot
tax.
AK
If
anyone
can
tell
me
that
it's
a
good
idea
to
reduce
tax
coming
into
the
city,
I
would
sure
love
to
hear
what
that
good
idea
is
so
I
I
just
have
not
found
anyone
that
can
tell
me
what
is
the
advantage
of
reducing
tot
tax
you're
going
to
have
to
cut
police
fire,
even
city
employees
that
do
these
inspections?
Why
would
anyone
want
to
do
that?
It
just
does
not
make
any
sense.
Second,
with
the
residency
requirement.
AK
Please
don't
go
down
that
road
you're
going
to
open
up
to
frivolous
lawsuits
you're
going
to
waste
the
city's
money.
You
can't
restrict
where
people
live,
where
they
go,
how
long
they
stay
so
I
would
I
would
just
say:
please
don't
even
go
down
on
that
road.
You're
just
going
to
waste
money,
there's
no
one
else
to
have
that.
AL
My
name
is
Roger
crownhill
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Riverside
County
I'm
74
years
old
I've
been
heptane
depressants.
Here
all
my
life
I
just
put
my
business
partner
and
I
purchased
property
in
Palm
Springs
13
years
ago
we
have
84
two-bedroom
path,
apartment
and
two
bath
Apartments,
which
we
rent
out
to
moderate
income
people.
We
also
got
a
vacation
home
about
eight
years
ago.
AL
A
movie
Colony
East
I,
take
great
pleasure
in
the
way
that
it's
fixed
up
the
reception
it
gets
how
many
times
it
gets
rented,
which
is
around
35
to
36
times
a
year.
I
personally
check
people
in
I
check
people
in
from
San
Antonio.
Today
we're
a
couple
here,
never
been
to
Palm
Springs.
They
looked
at
the
surroundings
they're
here
for
a
family
wedding.
They
looked
at
the
neighborhood,
they
looked
at
the
house.
They
were
very,
very
pleased
with
it.
AL
I
get
a
kick
out
of
doing
what
I'm
doing,
whether
it's
a
long-term
rental
in
apartments
to
regular
people
who
work
and
live
in
Palm
Springs,
or
whether
it's
really
super
busy
visitors
who
come
here
to
enjoy
the
Palm
Springs
experience
and
experience
it.
That
I
provide
them
in
a
way
that
he
cannot
get
without
a
vacation
house.
AL
AM
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
comment
on
the
process
that
was
undertaken.
It
seemed
to
start
off
well,
every
ordinance
may
need
to
be
Revisited
at
some
point
in
time.
So
when
the
working
group
was
charged
with
density,
it
seemed
like
they
focus
on
on
density
and
then
all
of
these
other
external
forces
recommendations
came
in
that
were
in
search
of
a
problem.
There
were
Solutions
in
search
of
a
problem
that
that
didn't
exist
so
looking
at
the
implications
of
what
those
those
Solutions
are,
what
facts
and
data?
What
are
the
implica?
AM
The
impacts
of
those
statements
are
those
changes
on
the
various
stakeholder
groups
are
critical,
so
not
against
everything
in
the
the
ordinance
but
a
more
thoughtful
and
deliberative
process,
making
it
fact-based,
making
it
research
based
and
based
on
on
study,
rather
than
failing
to
understand
the
impact
of
of
the
recommendations.
Thank
you.
I
With
physical
Springs
and
I
was
just
at
a
conference
a
couple
weeks
ago
in
Minneapolis
for
destinations,
Internationals
advocacy,
Summit,
with
destinations
from
all
across
the
country
talking
about
different
issues,
vacation
rentals
being
one
of
them
and
the
City
of
Palm
Springs
is
well
known
for
its
regulations
and
enforcement
of
vacation
rentals
and
the
balance
that
that
has
brought
to
the
the
community,
the
residents,
the
businesses
and
and
visitation.
So
it's
exciting
to
be
from
a
community
that
has
been
so
forward.
I
Thinking
on
this
topic,
we've
tracked
occupancy
and
visitation
in
the
valley
for
the
past
10
years,
and
we
know
that
the
majority
of
the
growth
in
visitation
in
that
time
has
come
from
vacation
rental
visitors.
They
made
up
23
percent
of
our
overnight
visitors
in
2021.
They
support
the
incredible
events,
restaurants
and
activities
that
we
have
the
vibrant
downtown
in
Palm
Springs.
So
any
reduction
to
this
important
visitor
base.
Obviously.
AN
I'm
here,
as
a
mom
and
as
a
taxpayer,
who
firmly
opposes
any
changes
to
our
current
short-term
rental
ordinance,
tot
dollars
are
naturally
going
to
dwindle
as
our
economy
continues
to
contract
and
what
pressing
problem
will
these
changes
actually
solve
less
tot
dollars?
What
problem
will
that
solve?
No
data
has
been
presented
on
how
this
will
affect
job
security
for
law
enforcement,
fire
response,
EMT
work,
EMT
workers?
Will
there
be
big
layoffs
when
the
tot
dollars
start
to
dry
up?
AN
AO
Hey
there
hi
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us,
as
you
can
tell,
there's
an
overwhelming
amount
of
people
here
who
are
opposed
to
any
of
these
ordinances.
Maybe
just
a
couple:
people
that
are
four
one
of
them
called
us
a
bunch
of
yahoos,
so
I
think
the
the
real
threat
is
is
not
us.
AO
I
just
have
to
really
ask
you
to.
Please
oppose
anything,
any
ordinance
that
you
have
like
we
said.
What's
what's
not
broken,
please
don't
fix
the
36
to
24
rental
contracts.
I
I
personally
cannot
sustain
my
home
on
that
on
on
anything
less
than
36
contracts.
I
am
also
a
resident
here
as
well,
and
then
the
other
thing
that
kind
of
gets
me
is
the
junior
category
for
anyone.
AO
You
guys
proposed
that
which
was
weird,
because
in
the
last
meeting
it
wasn't
in
there
and
now
it's
in
there
now
of
people
who
rent
less
than
seven
get
put
in
a
junior
category.
What
happens
if
I
have
to
move
into
my
house
for
whatever
reason
we
just
had?
Covid
people
have
to
Pivot
there's
financial
hardship
and
I
have
to
move
to
my
house
for
a
year
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
I
get
back
on
my
feet
and
I
go
get
back
to
my
game
plan
of
trying
to
work.
D
AP
I'm
here
tonight
to
share
how
the
pandemic
has
turned
my
world
upside
down
and
how
my
ability
to
rent
my
home
part-time
has
become
my
only
Lifeline,
while
some
were
lucky
enough
to
Rebound
with
government
loans
and
no
job
loss.
Many
of
us
didn't
receive
those
benefits
and
are
still
suffering
the
impact
of
covid
prior
to
the
vaccines.
I
contracted
the
severe
case
and
was
hospitalized
at
Desert
Regional
for
10
days
costing
127
thousand
dollars,
some
of
which
insurance
covered
and
much
not
the
pandemic
also
put
an
end
to
my
small,
my
small
business.
AP
AC
Good
evening,
mayor
and
councilman
my
wife
and
I
own
us
Boutique
rental
agency
here
in
Palm
Springs,
your
dentist
would
not
only
impact
us
directly,
but
also
our
housekeepers
gardeners,
Pool
Guys
Etc,
the
very
same
people
who
this
ordinance
claim
to
protect
from
high
housing
costs
will
be
the
first
effect
that
they
might
lose
their
jobs
or
have
to
find
a
second
job
to
make
ends
meet.
If
there
are
less
hotline
complaints
less
permit
suspensions
if
property
values
are
up,
taxes
are
up
what
data
is
this
draft
ordinance
based
on?
AC
Why
not
draft
an
ordinance
allowing
for
more
contracts
per
year,
instead
of
less
so
with
9
000
secondary
homes
that
are
not
vacation?
Rentals
in
this
city
I
struggle
to
understand
that
utopic
sense
of
community
that
several
residents
mentioned.
They
didn't
feel
anymore.
It's
only
now
for
the
past
two
or
three
weeks
that
I
see
most
of
my
neighbors
and
are
only
here
for
a
month
or
two
before
I
see
them
again
in
November
of
next
year.
AC
AQ
All
right,
I'm,
a
full-time,
resident,
homeowner
and
firmly
oppose
any
changes
to
the
current
ordinance.
How
can
you
make
any
changes
to
the
ordinance
without
any
economic
Financial
impact
studies
for
the
city
regarding
tourism,
jobs,
property
values
and
vacation
rentals?
There
will
be
Fallout
if
there's
a
reduction
in
contract
from
36
to
24.
36
is
the
moderation
from
unlimited
contracts.
The
property
Market
is
already
feeling
the
effects
of
interest
rates
and
a
pending
recession.
AQ
58
increase
in
active
listings
on
the
market
and
20
decrease
in
price
of
properties
sold
from
April
to
October
already
this
year.
Any
drastic
change
couldn't
be
made
at
a
more
worse
time,
especially
with
no
data
to
support
a
change.
Why
should
vacation
rentals
pay
the
one
percent
tax
to
help
grow
tourism
when
you're
reducing
the
amount
of
contracts?
Are
we
looking
to
grow
tourism
or
reduce
it
guests
that
enjoy
vacation
rentals
in
the
city
will
look
to
to
spend
their
tourism
dollars
elsewhere.
AQ
AR
AS
Lots
have
been
said
this
evening:
I'm
Kevin,
Dickerson
resident
of
Palm
Springs,
unique
experience,
that's
our!
What
I
think
is
the
number
one
focus.
It
was
a
unique
experience
when
my
partner
and
I
decided
to
buy
our
vacation
rental
in
2018..
It
was
a
unique
experience
when
we
put
over
250
000
into
that
home
with
the
labor
costs
to
improve
it
to
beautify
it,
which,
in
turn
beautified
our
neighborhoods
we're
one
of
many
that
are
doing
our
part
to
beautify
this
city
through
our
vacation
rentals.
AS
All
we
ask
is
that
fair
share
those
36
rentals
a
year
having
us
move
from
one
home
to
the
other
in
the
same
city
for
90
days,
seems
a
little
ridiculous.
I
literally
am
going
to
have
to
pack
up
the
home.
We
live
in
just
to
meet
the
requirements
and
move
three
blocks
away.
It
just
doesn't
seem
like
a
realistic
system,
so
I
hope
you
all
can
make
those
thoughtful
decisions,
and
we
do
appreciate
the
decisions.
AT
Good
evening
my
name
is
Imad
me
and
my
wife,
we
own
a
small
cleaning
company.
We
employed
about
10
people,
most
all
of
them,
women,
most
of
them
single
moms-
that
they
depend
on
this
job
to
support
their
family
and
this
by
this.
If
you
guys,
if
everybody
votes
yes
on
it,
it
would
be
very
bad
by
almost
33
percent
less
income
for
everyone.
It
will
take
a
big
hit
for
everybody's
pocket.
AT
AU
Drew
Fenton
I
guess
my
main
point
would
be:
why
decrease
the
number
of
contracts
for
people
that
already
have
certificates?
You
could
easily
grandfather
in
the
current
certificate
holders
permanently
and
the
con
the
number
of
certificates
would,
with
time
decrease
by
attrition
from
people
moving
selling
their
homes.
AU
AU
AV
I
oppose
any
changes
to
the
current
short-term
rental
ordinance.
The
current
ordinance
is
working.
There's
no
need
to
change
it.
There
are
no
urgent
issues
that
are
being
addressed
or
solved.
The
changes
are
not
based
on
factual
data
and
no
impact.
Studies
have
been
done,
we're
heading
into
a
recession
and
now
is
not
the
time
to
make
any
changes
that
threaten
the
revenue
to
our
city
as
well.
The
proposed
changes
will
result
in
job
losses
and
layoffs
throughout
the
city.
We
provide
house
cleaning
jobs
for
many
local
single
moms.
AV
These
jobs
allow
them
to
get
the
kids
off
to
school
work
during
the
day
and
then
be
home
in
the
afternoon.
When
the
kids
come
home,
we
provide
some
of
the
only
type
of
local
work
that
allows
them
to
do
this.
These
moms
will
lose
jobs
and
income
if
these
changes
are
enacted,
and
often
these
people
are
the
most
financially
vulnerable
in
our
city,
many
local
businesses
will
also
suffer
if
these
changes
are
enacted.
The
proposed
changes
are
wrong
for
the
city
and
wrong
for
our
community.
AV
AW
Hi
Patrick
Jordan
I've
been
selling
real
estate
in
the
desert
since
2006.
most
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
has
actually
already
been
said,
but
I
can
100
percent
tell
you
from
my
business.
I
have
had
canceled
showings
I've
had
canceled
buyers
from
the
first
of
all
the
ambiguity
of.
What's
going
on
right
now,
that's
number
one
and
number
two
people
saying
hey,
you
know
I
just
don't
know.
AW
What's
going
on
I'm
out
of
Palm
Springs,
this
is
the
wrong
message
to
send
and
it's
certainly
the
wrong
message
right
now,
as
everybody
keeps
alluding
to
the
financial
impact
for
first
of
all,
to
the
real
estate
market
and
to
everybody
else
is,
will
be
pretty
profound
and
then
lastly,
I
don't
understand
the
beating
of
the
drum
who
started
the
beating
of
this
drum.
Where
did
it
come
from
because
to
me
it
looks
like
it's
working
great.
This
is
a
model
for
the
rest
of
the
country.
AW
AX
AY
Mayor
council,
thanks
for
allowing
me
to
speak
I'm
also
in
real
estate
and
I,
know
a
lot
of
people
that
oppose
always
say:
oh
well,
Realtors.
This
is
how
they
make
money.
The
truth
is
half
of
the
top
producers
in
this
Valley
work
in
areas
where
there's
no
short-term
rentals,
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
impacted.
The
most
by
this
are
all
the
service
workers
and
businesses
I
mean
I,
can
tell
you
I've
been
here
since
2000.
The
only
thing
I
hear
residents
talk
about
right
now
are
homelessness
and
the
economy,
that's
it.
AY
I
have
not
heard
one
person
bring
up
this
short-term
rental
thing
and
I
got
to
tell
you
in
2018.
Some
of
us
remember
what
this
was
like.
This
place
was
packed
to
the
gills
and
it
was
50
50.,
and
this
city
went
through
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
together
over
it
and
guess
what
the
city
voted
and
73.
If
I
remember
correctly,
voted
to
keep
this,
you
all
created
this
amazing
ordinance.
I,
don't
hear
people
complaining
anymore,
so,
on
one
hand,
people
are
going
to
complain,
they
can't
go
to
their
neighbor
for
sugar.
AY
On
the
other
hand,
people
are
going
to
lose
jobs
in
security.
That's
a
fact,
and
you
know,
in
terms
of
restaurants,
being
busy
I
didn't
have
to
make
reservations
in
this
city
until
the
pandemic
started.
That's
real
and
I.
Remember
the
other
Palm
Springs
I
like
this
one
better.
So
remember
again,
this
was
packed
both
sides
in
2018.
AZ
Thank
you
mayor
mayor,
Pro,
tem,
Council,
I,
purchased
a
home
here
in
2018,
and
it's
just
been
a
real
joy
to
our
family
I'm
here.
To
talk
about.
The
number
of
rentals
will
really
impact
me
as
well
as
the
fact
that
I
need
to
work.
It's
wonderful
to
have
my
vacation
rental,
I
love
it
I,
love
working
with
all
the
people
Associated.
All
my
vendors
I
know
by
first
name,
but
I
need
to
work
to
help
pay
for
this
vacation
rental.
I'm,
not
you
know
someone
the
people
that
have
means
they.
AZ
They
don't
have
to
have
their
homes
in
vacation
rental
programs
to
make
their
ends
meet.
I
mean
it's
very
important
to
us
that,
if
put
our
life
savings
into
having
hopes
with
the
hope
someday,
we
can
retire
here,
but
it's
a
place
safer
until
that
day.
So
I
just
hope
that.
BA
Good
evening
Council
mayor
City
staff,
I'm
Chris
Bale,
born
here
I've
lived
here
for
the
last
11
years.
I've
worked
here
full
time
for
the
last
11
years.
I'm
a
realtor
like
a
lot
of
the
others,
have
spoken
I'm
going
to
give
another
anecdote.
I've
got
clients
who
personally
are
in
the
middle
of
trying
to
sell
their
house,
so
they
can
move
closer
to
their
kids
and
their
grandkids.
They
are
in
the
Racquet
Club
neighborhood.
BA
If
20
by
neighborhood
is
enacted,
they
will
be
hurt
immensely
and
not
probably
able
to
sell
their
house
for
what
they
hope
to
sell
it
for
I.
If
you
are
going
to
do
some
sort
of
limitation
by
that
I
implore
you
to
do
it
Citywide,
because
you
are
going
to
hurt
certain
neighborhoods
and
you're
going
to
create
some
sort
of
a
gold
rush
in
other
neighborhoods
I.
Really,
don't
think
you
want
that.
BA
Last
time,
I
spoke,
which
was
via
phone
I,
mentioned
that
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
a
real-time
system
for
us
to
know
what
the
percentages
are
in
the
neighborhoods.
Has
anybody
talked
about
that
it
within
the
group?
That's
trying
to
change
this
time.
BB
I
have
seen
the
CD
change
a
lot
after
the
home,
rentals
and
I
went
to
school
here
and
I
see
the
positive
changes
in
the
city,
and
this
will
not
only
affect
me
by
my
employers
too.
So
I
would
really
like
you
to
consider
it,
and
this
is
not
gonna
affect
just
anybody,
but
everybody
in
this
city.
It's
a
vacation
City,
so
I
would
really
like
you
to
consider
it,
and
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
affect
businesses.
BB
Restaurants,
a
lot
of
restaurants
have
gained
a
lot
of
from
the
vacation
homes.
So
please.
BC
Hi
many
people
have
spoken
about
the
things
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
but
something
I
wanted
to
emphasize
is
many
Mike
I
I
run
a
short-term
rental
business
here
in
Palm
Springs
and
many
of
my
clients
with
plans
to
reach
higher
in
Palm
Springs
have
school-age
children
and
even
coming
out
to
their
homes
for
every
single
School
holiday.
They
can't
meet
the
90-day
requirement.
This
requirement
would
be
an
even
further
burden,
as
travel
expenses
become
cost
prohibitive,
especially
as
Whispers
of
a
recession
are
upon
us.
BC
The
90-day
requirement
is
a
setup,
so
only
those
wealthy
enough
to
be
able
to
take
90
days
off
of
work
or
are
retired
and
have
the
money
and
travel
to
travel
regularly
or
stay
long
term
for
their
primary
home,
we'll
be
able
to
afford
to
own
a
second
home
in
Palm
Springs.
Overall,
these
changes
feel
punitive
and
I
do
not
understand
why
they
are
being
recommended.
The
current
ordinance
has
been
hugely
successful.
We
did
out
Bad
actors
and
is
the
gold
standard
for
well-managed
vacation
rentals
across
the
country.
BD
Hello
I'm
very
new
at
this
vacation
rental,
just
under
two
years,
I
love,
this
crowd,
I
mean
they're
passionate.
They
sound
like
they
take
care
of
their
homes
and
what
they're
doing
a
lot
of
valid
points
that
I
agree
with
I
could
not
wrap
my
head
around
the
90-day
residency
to
me.
It's
very
unrealistic.
AS
Good
governance
is
both
an
art
and
a
science,
but
both
of
those
disciplines
seem
to
be
absent
from
the
proposed
changes
to
the
ordinance,
particularly
the
data
science.
What
is
the
data
on
the
impact
to
our
stores,
restaurants,
events,
attractions
and
tourism
as
a
whole?
Where
is
the
data
on
how
this
will
affect
the
housing
market,
property
taxes
and
jobs?
It's
unclear
what
the
council
is
trying
to
solve
and
without
proper
data
inputs,
you're
playing
with
too
many
variables
in
the
equation.
That
is
our
local
economy.
Change
for
the
sake
of
change.
Doesn't
equal
progress?
AS
BE
Good
evening,
I
just
want
to
thank
members
of
the
community
that
have
spoken
today
this
evening.
I
appreciate
their
thoughtfulness
and
I
agree
with
their
rationale
why
this
ordinance
should
not
be
adopted
and
why
1918
needs
to
be
modified
at
all.
I
must
say
that
my
wife
and
I
are
retired,
full-time
residents
of
Palm
Springs,
we've
owned
a
vacation
rental
that
we
live
two
miles
from
for
five
years.
We've
made
a
small
profit
once
out
of
one
year
out
of
those
five,
because
we
put
all
of
our
money
back
into
it.
BE
We
it
was
abandoned
when
we
got
it,
we've
really
made
it
nice.
So
that's
my
personal
stake.
I
realize
there
may
be
some
density
issues
in
some
neighborhoods
and
you
know
there
are
reasons
why
things
have
to
be
tweaked,
but
I
really
really
want
you
to
know
that
the
impact,
if
it's
changed
to
me,
it's
more
like
you
know,
looking
for
a
problem
to
solve.
BF
Hi
good
evening,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
as
many
others
here,
I'm
kind
of
confused
of
why
we're
doing
this
all
over
again,
it's
very
successful
program
that
is
working
but
I'm
a
44
year
old
year,
44
year,
homeowner
and
36-year
vacation
rental
business
owner
I've
raised
my
family
here
in
Palm
Springs.
BF
My
company
is
very
small
with
only
13
homes,
all
under
my
management
on
all
in
Palm
Springs,
my
wonderful,
loyal
staff
and
I
give
personal
care
and
attention
to
our
homeowners
all
who
occupy
their
homes
here,
frequently
from
there
wherever
they
live
around
the
world
and
who
are
all
like
family
to
me.
After
so
many
decades
of
working
with
them.
We
do
long
and
short-term
rentals
to
visitors
from
around
the
world,
many
who
are
repeat
guests
from
the
80s
and
who
support
local
businesses
and
and
philanthropies.
BG
Good
evening
my
name
is
Charles
Elliott
and
I
reside
I
own
and
reside
in
the
neighborhood
of
Little
Beverly
Hills
I'm.
Here
tonight,
in
opposition
of
any
changes
to
the
VR
ordinance,
I
asked
this
Council
a
question:
what
are
you
trying
to
do?
What
issue
are
you
hoping
to
solve
and
for
whom?
How
do
the
plans
you
are
considering
tonight
help
achieve
these
goals
I've,
yet
to
find
any
facts
or
data
that
would
support
the
actions
you're
considering
here
tonight,
I.
BG
Ask
that
you
kindly
and
carefully
evaluate
real
facts
and
data
before
you
make
a
decision
that
has
the
potential
to
devastate
this
beautiful
city.
Finally,
I
ask
that
you
lift
the
emergency
moratorium
on
new
permits.
You
can
easily
continue
to
study
these
issues
without
needlessly
tying
anybody
up.
Thank
you.
BH
Chester
day
good
evening,
council
members,
I
am
a
private
citizen
and
Palm
Springs
voter
and
taxpayer
I
moved
into
the
movie
colony
in
2019
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
and
I
honestly
didn't
realize
until
recently
that
the
short-term
rental
rules
were
broken.
I
think
short-term
rentals
are
an
important
factor
for
supporting
tourism,
property
values
and
new
homeowners
who
come
from
a
diverse
range
of
backgrounds
and
circumstances.
BH
My
neighbors
in
Las
Palmas
asked
me
to
come
today
to
also
represent
them.
They
are
not
currently
renters,
but
they,
their
immigration
status
and
work
situation
may
soon
require
them
to
both
live
abroad.
For
months,
so
short-term
rental
potential
is
important
to
them
as
well
to
keep
their
home
and
their
property
values.
BH
Palm
Springs
is
a
world-class
City
that
needs
to
support
all
of
the
members
of
the
community
and
I
personally
believe
the
existing
rules
actually
benefit
and
Revitalize
the
city
So,
based
on
the
discussion
today,
with
all
due
respect
to
those
who
put
forward
the
changes,
please
reject
3A
and
its
density
and
I'll
keep
it
C
limits.
Thank
you.
BI
Good
evening
my
name
is
Ruth
growl
and
I'm,
a
homeowner
and
a
taxpayer
in
Palm
Springs
I
basically
disagree
with
most
of
everything
that
everybody
else
has
said,
but
I
just
did
want
to
point
out
a
few
things.
You
know
obviously
I
I
just
don't
understand,
what's
trying
to
be
fixed
and
I,
just
think
that
the
new
rules
are
not
going
to
help
anybody
at
all.
Our
daughter
owns
a
home
here
in
Palm
Springs
and
we
manage
it
for
her
as
a
short-term
vacation
rental
she's
in
college.
BI
She
would
never
be
able
to
make
the
the
90-day
residency
here
and
I
already
think.
The
point
is
that
homeowners,
that
the
reason
we
do
short-term
rentals
are
not
long-term.
Rentals
is
because
we
want
to
spend
as
much
time
as
we
personally
can
in
our
homes.
So
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
problem
with
that.
Also
there
is
the
cap
of
one
property
per
person,
so
I
think
you've
already.
If,
if
the
the
whole
corporate
thing
is
what
you're
trying
to
avoid
then
obviously
covered
with.
BJ
BJ
BJ
The
study
highlighted
Five
Pillars
that
are
the
framework
for
economic
impact
on
tourism,
around
the
city,
those
being
retail,
entertainment,
food
and
beverage
transportation
and
lodging
reducing
the
number
of
rental
contracts
from
36
to
24
reduces
the
amount
of
lodging
available
in
the
city.
I,
don't
understand
why
we'd
make
that
decision.
D
BJ
BK
Hi
I'm,
a
taxpayer
in
Palm,
Springs
I,
wrote
a
bunch
of
things
down
that
I
was
going
to
say,
but
as
I
was
told
that
if
it's
been
said
once,
why
say
it
again?
But
what
comes
back
to
me
every
time
over
and
over
again
is
data.
Is
data
making
a
decision
on
facts
and
where
the
data
is
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
at
this
point.
BK
I
know
that,
like
what
I
do
for
a
living,
if
I
keep
if
I,
walked
in
and
presented
something
some
something
to
somebody,
and
there
was
no
data,
I,
don't
think
I'd
get
the
contract,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
where
these
decisions
are
being
made
and
why
they're
being
made
without
due
diligence
to
understand
the
facts
and
the
numbers
that
support
it
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
the
case.
Lastly,
myself
personally,
my
family
we've
had
a
house
here
for
about
five
years
and
the
impact
would
be.
BK
BL
I'm,
a
full-time
Palm,
Springs
resident
with
a
UCLA
degree
in
economics,
we're
in
a
recession,
home
sales
and
inventory
and
days
on
the
market,
have
doubled.
25
percent
of
the
homes
for
sale
have
price
reductions,
you're,
considering
negative
changes
which
your
constituents
do
not
want.
Look
at
the
crowd
here.
BL
We
have
canceled
escrows
price
reductions,
distressed
financials
for
buyers
and
a
third
quarter
drop
in
TOT
and
next
year
we'll
have
a
tot
and
sales
tax
revenue
drop.
How
will
this
be
made
up?
An
investor
can
only
have
one
Str.
We
don't
have
investors
flooding
into
this
city.
Remember
when
Palm
Springs
had
a
fling
of
people
leaving
to
other
parts
of
the
valley.
Now
Palm
Springs
is
thriving.
Please
pause
and
study
this
further.
BM
BM
The
proposed
changes
may
leave
me
underwater
or
Worse
unable
to
keep
my
home.
We've
spent
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
preparing
for
short-term
rental
and
we're
now
in
moratorium.
Limbo.
BM
BN
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
my
name
is
Patrick
kanosh
I've
been
a
Palm
Springs
taxpayer,
since
2000.
I've
owned
my
home
here
since
2000
and
I
am
not.
Obviously
one
of
the
I'm,
not
the
only
one
who
uses
short-term
rentals
to
supplement
my
mortgage
and
forcing
owners
like
me
to
live
in
the
home
for
90
days
is,
will
be
a
hardship
for
me,
because
I
cannot
realize
my
career
goals
here
in
Palm,
Springs,
I
work,
I'm,
a
tech
worker
and
I
work
up
in
the
Bay
Area.
BN
In
the
midst
of
this
economic
uncertainty,
you
know
the
negative
impact
on
housekeepers
and,
and
everyone
said
it
before
so
I'm
not
going
to
bother
going
through
the
whole
Spiel,
because
everyone's
already
kind
of
done
that
for
me,
thank
you
very
much.
I
would
ask
you
to
really
deeply
consider
the
impact
you'll
have
on
the
town
on
the
community
and
the
people
who
love
this
city.
Thank
you.
AR
BO
Hello
city,
council,
I
I,
am
for
a
yes
vote
from
the
city
council
and,
unlike
most
of
you
here
today,
I
am
a
renter
in
an
apartment
complex
which
the
ren
7
skyrocketing
and
going
up
to
where
many
people
are
being
forced
to
move
out
and
there's
actually
a
waiting
list
to
get
in
many
of
the
people
who
live.
There
have
been
service
workers
and
they
have
to
move
to
Coachella
or
Indio
to
find
cheaper
rent
to
afford
to
work
in
Palm
Springs.
BO
BO
BQ
BQ
Not
once
during
that
time
did
anybody
say
that
those
pending
applications
would
apply
be
applied
to
new
ordinances.
I
have
several
vacation
rentals
that
live
within
my
neighborhood
backyard,
quatty
corner
on
the
other
side
of
my
neighborhood,
the
vacation,
rentals
tend
to
be
the
prettiest
houses
in
the
entire
neighborhood
being
well
kept
being
maintained.
My
ask
is
that
you
lift
the
temporary
moratorium
and
apply
the
existing
rules
to
the
applications
that
are
in
place
or
grandfather,
the
ones
that
are
in
there
I
strongly
oppose
any
changes
to
the
ordinance.
BQ
D
AX
Well,
we
live
on
the
east
coast
and
we
bought
our
house
in
2019.
We
had
been
looking
at
houses
for
a
few
years
prior
to
the
referendum
and
decided
to
hold
off
to
see
how
the
referendum
turned
out
just
because
we
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
spend
the
whole
year
there
and
as
a
result,
we
were
we.
We
waited
until
after
the
referendum,
feeling
that
things
were
pretty
good,
that
the
rules
and
everything
had
been
adhered
to.
AX
We
actually
own
a
vacation
rental
company
in
Rehoboth,
Beach
Delaware,
so
we're
very
knowledgeable
about
vacation
rentals,
our
home
is
professionally
managed
and
I
would
just
say
to
the
council
God
Bless
the
people
that
are
trying
to
professionally
manage
houses
with
all
the
changes
and
things
that
are
happening
in
Palm
Springs.
We
really
appreciate
everything
that
people
are
doing,
because
I
can't
imagine
trying
to
manage
through
that
and
just
quickly
on
the
East
Coast,
as
people
have
been
talking
about
the.
BR
Regarding
the
90-day
requirement,
I
live
in
San,
Diego
and
I
own,
a
second
home
in
Palm
Springs.
It's
not
rented
that
often
but
vacation
rental
prevents
it
from
becoming
a
derelict
property
when
I'm
not
there.
It
serves
no
purpose
to
require
that
I
live
in
Palm
Springs
for
90
days
a
year.
How
would
that
work
would
I
have
to
keep
a
log
book
I'm
going
to
be
68
years
old
in
2028.?
BR
What
if
I
have
medical
needs
would
I
have
to
have
a
doctor
in
both
cities,
I'm
asking
that
the
90-day
requirement
apply
at
most
to
only
the
people
who
buy
their
homes
after
the
date
of
any
new
ordinance
when
I
bought
my
home
I
had
the
Assurance
of
knowing
that
70
percent
voted
against
measure
C
speaking
of
measure
C.
At
the
time
there
was
an
expert
impact
report
showing
the
disastrous
effects
Passage
would
have
had.
You
have
no
such
report
before
you
today.
You
should
consider
commission
commissioning
a
similar
report
before
you
vote
on
this.
BS
Millennial
and
I'm,
a
taxpayer
in
Palm
Springs
I
bought
in
2019
for
two
reasons:
I
love,
Palm,
Springs
and
I've
always
wanted
to
own
here,
and
the
rental
market
made
that
possible
I
bought
as
a
first-time
homeowner
with
10
down
that
was
all
I
could
afford.
That
means
my
costs
are
high
and
I
rely
on
the
ability
to
maximize
my
available
rentals.
BS
The
proposed
changes
would
mean
I
lose
a
third
of
my
rental
availability
and
income,
and
it's
unlikely
that
be
able
to
continue
to
afford
my
home
and
that's
the
reality
for
buying
a
home
for
my
generation.
It's
Out,
Of
Reach
for
most
people,
I
want
to
get
to
a
point
where
I
can
afford
my
home
without
needing
to
rent
it
out,
but
that
time
isn't
anywhere
near
in
the
near
future.
BT
Good
afternoon,
I
would
like
to
offer
a
concrete
example
of
what
can
go
wrong
with
these
ordinances
are
heavy-handed
and
implemented
hastily
in
2019,
the
New
Orleans
city
council
voted
to
restrict
vacation
rentals
in
the
French
Quarter.
In
response
to
the
issues
many
are
cited
by
many
of
those
in
favor
of
this
ordinance,
many
owners
were
forced
to
sell.
This
may
sound
like
a
desirable
outcome
to
the
council.
BT
However,
the
market
was
flooded,
property
values,
plunged
property
sales,
went
down,
homes
went
into
disrepair
and
Property
Owners,
both
full-time
and
part-time,
were
left
with
what
our
home
values
underwater,
not
to
mention
the
devastating
impact
on
the
tourism
in
real
estate,
real
retail
sectors.
This
year
the
council
voted
to
reverse
this
course.
Instead
embracing
vacation
rentals
as
a
tool
for
more
affordable
housing
and
is
a
vital
part
of
the
tourism
industry,
I
ask
that
the
council
conduct
a
full
economic
impact
study
and
in
the
moratorium
until
this
data
can
be
assessed.
BT
BU
Hi
I'm
opposed
to
the
the
severe
restrictions
proposed:
I'd
love,
Palm
Springs,
based
on
my
positive
experiences.
Renting
homes,
I
became
a
rental
owner
to
prepare
for
retirement
in
Palm.
Springs
I
helped
create
the
Palm
Springs
Sunshine
sisters
club,
which
unites
hundreds
of
Palm
Springs,
full
and
part-time
residents.
I
still
have
to
work
for
at
least
five
years
before
retiring.
The
proposed
change
was
particularly
the
90-day
residency
will
eliminate
all
incentive
to
help
Palm
Springs
grow
and
prosper,
and
they're
prejudiced
against
contributions
of
part-time
residents.
Like
me,
who
can't
live
there
yet.
Thank
you.
BV
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Josh
Levine
and
I
live
part-time
in
Racquet,
Club,
Estates
and
part-time
in
Los,
Angeles,
I,
love,
Palm,
Springs,
I,
love
living
there,
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
impact
to
police
and
fire.
I
walked
out
of
my
house
and
was
talking
to
a
police
officer
on
the
street
and
I
said
well.
How
many
police
cops
are
actually
on
the
street
right
now
and
he
said
yes,
I
said
40..
He
said
seven
because
of
the
swing
shift,
because
people
are
sick.
BV
BW
Thank
you
as
I
was
saying:
I'm
Palm,
Springs,
taxpayer
and
homeowner
I
urge
you
not
to
impose
any
residency
requirements
which,
in
my
opinion,
are
profoundly
unfair
and
unworkable.
BW
For
example,
not
that
long
ago,
my
elderly
mother,
who
lived
1500
miles
away
from
Palm
Springs,
suffered
declining
health.
That
required
me
to
spend
every
possible
moment
with
her
prior
to
her
passing.
There
was
no
way
I
would
have
left
her
side
for
three
months
during
the
last
year
of
her
life.
Should
someone
really
lose
their
short-term
rental
license
under
those
circumstances
or
what?
If
an
SDR
owner
has
the
temporary
opportunity
to
work
abroad
or
in
another
state
for
an
extended
period
or
who's
called
to
active
military
service?
BW
Why
should
they
be
penalized
because
they
can't
spend
a
quarter
of
the
year
in
Palm
Springs
or
what,
if
God,
forbid,
there's
another
or
renewed
pandemic
that
shuts
down
travel,
especially
for
those
who
may
be
immunocompromised
for
several
months,
and
it
keeps
them
away
from
their
home
in
Palm
Springs,
because
they
can't
travel?
Are
they
to
either
risk
their
health
by
traveling
to
Palm
Springs
or
lose
their
license?
BW
BX
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michael
Muller
Lally
I'm,
a
taxpayer
in
Palm,
Springs
and
I've
owned
my
home
since
2013.
I'm
against
any
changes
to
the
current
ordinance.
Many
have
discussed
the
impacts
on
housekeepers
and
pool
persons.
Ours
will
each
have
12
less
opportunities
to
make
money
both
of
my
housekeeper
and
my
pool
person
I
asked
if
they
were
aware
of
the
proposed
restrictions
and
both
of
them
told
me
they
had
no
idea
what
I
was
talking
about.
BX
Many
other
homeowners
just
learned
that
these
changes
were
being
contemplated
tonight
this
week
the
city
has
a
list
of
all
VR
permit
holders
why
they
do
not
send
a
notice
out
to
every
one
of
them
or
call
them
like
they
do.
If
you
call
the
vacation
rental
hotline
and
contact
them,
let
them
all
have
input
on
this
matter
and
specifically
our
housekeepers
our
pool
maintenance
and
other
service
providers
that
are
going
to
lose
a
third
of
their
income.
Thank
you.
BY
Hi
I'm,
a
full-time
Homeowner
of
Racquet,
Club,
Estates
and
I
do
not
own
a
short-term
rental.
My
street
has
quite
a
few
vacation
rentals
and
I
love
it.
The
renters
are
far
more
respectful
and
law
abiding
than
many
of
the
full-time
owners.
Here
is
a
short
list
of
some
permanent
owners
in
my
immediate
vicinity,
the
owner
on
Spencer
piles
trash
in
her
driveway
rated
for
drug
dealing
and
suit
for
dog
attacks.
BY
The
direct
neighbor,
who
has
an
RV
two
feet
from
my
lot
line
and
has
a
person
illegally
living
in
it,
the
owner,
a
few
doors
down
on
miraleste
who
is
on
Megan's
list
and
charged
with
lewd
acts,
the
illegal
squatters
on
Star
Road,
who
continue
to
try
and
do
a
for
sale
by
owner
the
owner
on
Glenn,
Circle,
prostituting,
dealing
drugs
and
burnt
down
her
garage
then
abandoned
the
house.
This
is
just
to
name
a
few.
BZ
BZ
Individuals
who've
brought
up
points
that
I
would
have
also
brought
up,
but
I.
Think
Eric's
point
is
particularly
poignant
because
he's
a
homeowner
there
in
racquet
club,
which
is
also
where
I
own
I'm
concerned
about
the
opportunity
that
vacation
rental
owners
will
have
to
continue
to
maintain
their
properties.
With
these
restrictions
in
place
and
I
think
that
additional
studies
would
be
very
beneficial
before
any
changes
are
enacted
to
the
ordinance.
So
I
just
implore
the
council
to
vote
against
3A
and
do
more
studies
before
any
changes
are
made.
CA
Thank
you,
council
members,
mayor
Pro,
tem
and
mayor
for
hearing
me
out:
I'm
Olga,
Mizrahi,
Palm,
Springs
property
owner
taxpayer
and
a
business
owner.
Please,
vote
against
3A
do
not
leave
a
legacy
as
job
Killers,
even
though
it
seems
3A
did
not
take
into
account
data
on
tourism
loss,
tot
loss
resulting
in
police,
fire,
EMT
and
city
cuts,
I'd
like
to
give
direct
evidence
on
how
reducing
contracts
reduces
income
and
job
loss.
CA
Of
course,
you've
heard
about
the
cleaners
in
the
handyman
landscapers
house
managers,
but
even
our
One
Vacation
Rental
also
hires
chefs
masseuses
designers
manicurists,
they
all
live
here,
their
income
would
be
gone
and
maybe
they
would
even
need
to
leave
the
area,
and
that's
just
my
one
home
is
this:
the
Legacy
that
we
want
to
leave.
Thank
you.
CB
Your
city,
council
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
In
your
last
meeting,
I
heard
you
recognize
that
a
lot
of
the
research
is
still
pending
and
the
mayor
suggested
that
the
ordinance
be
Revisited
in
two
years
when
there's
more
data.
If
that's
the
case,
why
Rush
these
changes
now
and
not
wait?
Two
years
until
we
have
time
to
do
the
proper
research,
this
revised
ordinance
seems
rushed.
One
of
the
proposed
changes
is
that
to
discriminate
between
couples
that
are
married
and
couples
that
are
not
married.
CB
As
far
as
I
can
tell,
this
question
has
not
been
properly
researched
or
I
haven't
even
heard
it
discussed
in
the
council
or,
of
course,
received
proper
public
comment.
These
changes,
including
the
residency
and
the
contracts,
would
have
dramatic
impact
on
my
life,
just
as
the
others.
More
than
I
can
even
describe
in
words
and
I.
Ask
that
you
hold
off
until
further
research
has
been
done.
CC
Good
morning,
good
evening,
city
council
everything's
been
pretty
much
said
so
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
opposition
to
3A.
My
family
has
owned
in
Palm
Springs
for
25
years,
and
I
recently
bought
a
condo
as
well,
just
as
our
family
grows,
so
I
live
in
Riverside,
County
and
I
have
always
tried
to
take
care
of
our
short-term
rentals
in
the
best
way
possible
and,
just
as
everyone
said,
I
can
see
the
impact
on
values
decreasing,
housekeepers
being
impacted
as
well
as
those
General
local
businesses
being
impacted.
CC
CD
They
are
left
wondering
what's
the
goal:
I
don't
own
a
home
in
deep,
well
I
own,
a
home
in
Desert,
Park
Estates,
which,
like
many
proposed
neighborhoods,
is
well
over.
The
limit.
I
have
seen
many
people
come
in
by
darylift
homes,
on
a
lot
of
money
into
them
and
use
them
personally,
while
frequently
vacation,
rent
them.
Just
as
I
do
I
think
these
people
they
have
increased
my
property
value
and
made
the
overall
neighborhood
better
for
everyone.
CD
If
fewer
contracts
were
allowed,
I
would
choose
not
to
rent
my
home
in
the
summer
in
order
to
maximize
my
earnings
the
rest
of
the
year.
How
many
other
homeowners
do
you
think
would
be
the
same
way?
What
will
this
do
to
tax
revenue
for
the
city?
Do
you
want
to
go
back
to
a
time
when
there
was
no
businesses
downtown
in
the
summer?
The
truth
is,
none
of
us
know.
Clear
goals
and
objectives
have
not
been
presented.
CD
CE
Hello,
mayor
council,
My
Name
is
Earl
Fong
and
I'm
a
taxpayer
and
a
proud
Homeowner
of
a
house
in
Sunrise
Park
that
I
purchased
in
2021.
I'd
like
to
Echo
all
the
excellent
and
thoughtful
points
that
were
already
made.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
different
perspective
in
terms
of
what
had
been
defined
as
an
investor.
Yes,
I
am
an
investor,
but
I
also
add
diversity
and
meaningful
contributions
to
the
city
as
well.
CE
Not
only
am
I
a
single
mom
but
I'm
a
woman
of
color
and
a
woman
in
science
and
although
I
cannot
live
in
Palm
Springs
full
time
and
I
purchased
this
house
to
become
my
retirement
home
and
supplement
that
through
red
team,
with
short-term
rentals,
but
I
also
am
involved
in
the
community.
I
contribute
to
the
Alzheimer's
Association
Leukemia
and
Lymphoma
Society,
as
well
as
the
Palm
Springs
Animal
Shelter.
So
contrary
to
those
that
may
believe
that
investors
are
here
just.
D
CF
Hi
we
are
property
owners
and
have
been
for
over
20
years,
returned
our
property
into
a
vacation
rental
in
2019
and
I
fully
oppose
all
of
3A
and
the
moratorium.
It's
definitely
a
design
for
an
economic
disaster
and
regarding
the
90-day
residency
requirement,
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone
about
the
bundle
of
rights
which
is
the
most
important
part
of
owning
property
in
our
country.
The
bundle
of
Rights
is
deposition,
enjoyment,
exclusion,
possession
and
the
one
I
want
to
focus
on
is
control.
CF
Control
is
the
right
to
legally
use
the
property
by
the
owner,
how
they
see
fit
when
tenant
requirements
are
set
like
no
music
outside
I.
Get
it,
but
requiring
owners
to
occupy
for
90
days
is
overstepping
and
would
even
question
the
legality
of
such
proposal.
I
hope
that
more
Focus
will
be
more
on
approving
and
building
more
multi-family
housing.
If
the
idea
is
to
control
affordability,
but
all
these
changes
would
be
an
economic
disaster.
CG
Good
evening,
I
urge
the
council
to
make
no
changes
to
the
existing
ordinance
or
at
least
to
postpone
action
and
allow
for
more
analysis
of
the
very
significant
impacts,
city-wide
and
economic
impacts
that
have
already
been
mentioned
by
so
many
and
I
Echo.
Those
I
like
so
many
who
have
spoken
and
not
a
big
investor,
sucking
profits
out
of
Palm
Springs
I'm.
CG
A
second
homeowner
who
rents
out
my
home
when
I'm,
not
using
it
and
I,
will
be
negatively
impacted
by
these
ordinance
changes
for
many
years,
I
vacationed
in
Palm
Springs
and
stayed
in
short-term
rentals
myself
I
would
not
have
come
here
to
stay
in
hotels.
We
fell
in
love
with
the
area
and
bought
a
second
home
here.
My
son
got
married
here
and
later
moved
here
having
us.
Our
second
home
is
part
of
our
retirement
plan
and
we
hope
to
stay
to
stay
there
more
permanently
in
the
future.
CG
I
may
need
to
sell
my
home
if
annual
contracts
are
reduced
or
if
there's
a
90
day,
a
requirement
to
stay
in
the
home
and
I
need
the
flexibility
to
rent
out
my
home
a
lot
one
year
unless
another
year,
without
being
pushed
into
a
junior
permit.
So
again,
I
really
ask
you
to
reconsider
these
drastic
and
unnecessary
changes.
Vacation
rentals
can.
CH
I
purchased
my
home
in
Vista
Lux
promise
in
2015.
last
year,
I
contributed
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
TOT
tax
to
the
budget.
I,
don't
understand
what
the
problem
is
that
you're
trying
to
address
with
these
changes.
Now
there
don't
seem
to
be
problems
with
the
organs.
The
and
I
also
don't
know
what
studies
support
this
those
ornaments.
This
is
done
without
even
input
from
the
study
group
that
you
put
together.
It
is
totally
unnecessary.
CI
All
right
well
just
to
Echo
many
of
the
sentiments
that
have
already
been
Community
communicate
tonight.
I'm
in
opposition
of
the
Str
regulations
I
feel
like
this
is
just
extremely
lacking:
transparent
data
on
the
fiscal
impacts
of
Tourism
maintenance,
wedding,
Recreation
shopping
and
entertainment
sectors.
I've
always
thought
Palm
Springs
to
be
a
safe
and
diverse
community
that
has
welcomed
many.
These
strs
have
enhanced,
neighborhoods
and
enriched
the
community
again
with
diversity.
CI
These
regulations
Foster
inequity
in
the
privilege
that
allows
many
to
enjoy
passive
income
throughout
short
or
through
short-term
rentals
and
I,
feel
that
the
implied
system
and
regulations
do
need
additional
insight
as
it
pertains
to
set
density.
Claims.
I
feel
that
these
proposed
regulations
are
baseless,
lack
definition
as
well
as
statistical
backing
and
I'm
just
curious.
CI
What
happens
to
the
30
000
direct
jobs
that
are
sustained
through
the
tourism
industry
throughout
Palm
Springs,
who
will
take
care
of
those
people
and
I
am
again
just
want
to
hit
home
on
the
fact
that
there's
already
a.
CJ
CJ
Oh
currently,
the
32
guests
per
year
work
perfectly
fine,
please
don't
change
it.
Also.
Please
note
we
are
starting
to
see
changes
in
the
demand
for
booking.
Although
we
have
five
star
rating,
we
were
charging
Fair
early
per
night.
We
did
not
get
our
reservation
during
the
Gay
Pride
weekend,
332
to
24
days.
We
will
have
to
extend
the
dates
from
four
to
seven
days.
If
you
are
experiencing
difficulties
interacting
it
out
before
this
I
can
imagine
the
challenges
that
we
are
going
to
experience
once
we
extend
it
to
seven
days.
CJ
D
BB
W
D
CL
CK
You
have
wondered
I'm
there,
okay,
Palm
Springs
here
I
go.
Show
me
money.
Show
me
the
money
I
just
read
on
Google
that
2021
we
got
6.8
billion
dollars
from
our
visitor
spending.
Another
woman
who
came
on
said
that
23
of
that
or
23
in
2021
was
vacation.
Rentals,
that's
1.56
billion
dollars.
That's
what
the
B!
That's,
how
much
that's,
even
almost
as
much
as
that!
Last
longer
one
right,
okay,
why
are
we
even
trying
to
change
this
at
all?
I,
don't
understand
this.
CK
We
have
one
small,
tiny,
little
vacation
rental
in
Palm
Springs
and
we
also
live
in
Palm
Springs
on
Indian
Canyons
Golf
course.
We
were
actually
one
of
the
homes
on
modernism.
We
have
vacation
rental
people
across
our
golf
course
which
we
encourage
with
open
arms.
It
brings
so
much
revenue,
but
our
little
tiny
one
is
really
what
makes
my
heart
sing,
because
these
are
the
people
that
come
in
and
they
are
so
happy
to
be
in
a.
BP
Yes,
you
have
one
minute,
my
name.
Thank
you
good
evening,
Madam
mayor
and
members
of
the
council.
I
am
Berta
I'm,
an
homeowner
and
a
taxpayer
in
Palm
Springs
as
leaders
in
our
city.
This
proposal
is
fiscally
irresponsible,
especially
because
in
such
an
iffy
economy
on
the
virtual
recession,
as
we
have
never
seen
before,
there
has
not
been
any
scientific
based
studies
that
provide
us
with
the
impact
on
city
services
that
this
will
bring
upon
us.
BP
It
is
a
fact
that,
during
covert,
most
families
prefer
to
stay
at
homes
and
even
now
after
covet
there's
an
uptick
of
families
requesting
homes
rather
than
hotels,
we're
still
at
the
tail
of
the
covet
pandemic
that
took
at
this
property
higher
number
of
lives
in
communities
of
color.
This
is
the
same
vulnerable,
but
people
that
would
not
be
able
to
work
if
we
are
cut
the
number
of
permits,
the
same
people
that
were
not
able
to
work
remotely
during
covet,
because
they
were
involved
in
housekeeping
Food,
Service
hospitals
and
picking
our
fruits
and.
CM
My
name
is
Danielle
and
I'm,
a
vacation
rental
homeowner
here
in
Palm
Springs,
my
husband
and
I
have
decided
on
Palm
Springs
to
invest
to
preserve
a
historic
property
built
in
1958..
We
purchased
our
home
in
August,
after
careful
consideration
of
the
existing
vacation
rental
regulations
to
enact
a
lifelong
dream
of
ours.
The
proposed
changes
hurt
our
family,
who
are
collateral
damage
for
being
in
the
wrong
place
at
the
wrong
time.
CM
One
of
the
first
things
that
we
did
as
new
homeowners
was
introduce
ourselves
to
our
neighbors,
expecting
to
be
met
with
some
degree
of
contempt
for
planning
to
continue
renting
an
existing
vacation
rental
in
their
neighborhood.
We
were
instead
met
with
open
arms
and
a
kindness
that
has
gone
above
and
beyond.
Neighborly
we've
been
offered
to
help
watch
over
our
home
when
we
were
not
there
even
given
referrals
for
future
guests,
the
neighborhood
welcome
us
and
our
future
guests
with
open
arms
in
true
Palm,
Springs
fashion.
CM
D
Q
She
is
a
phone
in
caller.
She
may
be
having
difficulty
connecting
via
the
phone.
CN
CN
I
haven't
really
seen
the
studies
that
were
I
guess
suggested
in
the
past
meetings,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
more
information
before
we
can
make
such
a
drastic
cut
of
you
know.
30
percent
on
rentals
here
so
I
know
that
all
of
my
friends
enjoy
going
to
Palm
Springs
to
visit
and
stay
at
houses
and
build
community
and
be
with
their
families,
and
this
would
dramatically
impact
that.
So
thank
you.
CO
Yeah
good
evening,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
call
in
my
wife
and
I
and
our
two
young
children
were
came
out
during
covid
and
actually
stayed
in
Palm
Springs
at
a
at
a
s-t-r-str
and
kind
of
fell
in
love
and
wound
up
buying
a
place
with
the
idea
of
you
know
having
it
a
long
time
and
you
know
a
possible
retirement
and
the
90-day
requirement
to
live
in
Palm,
Springs
kind
of
discriminates
against
that
possibility.
You
know
with
the
jobs
and
kids
in
school.
CP
Hi
Council,
please
vote
no
to
any
changes
to
short-term
rental
ordinances,
especially
in
these
uncertain
Economic,
Times
neighborhoods
and
the
City
of
Palm
Springs
have
thrived
under
the
current
short-term
rental
program.
Proof
is
visible
in
the
huge
City
revenue
and
the
many
visitors
who
rely
on
this
infrastructure
and
in
increased
Home,
Value,
City,
beautification
and
safety
since
2018
I'm,
a
proud
owner
and
taxpayer
in
Vistas
Las,
Palmas
I'm,
a
mother
of
five
and
grandmother.
We
and
our
guests
love
the
property
and
Palm
Springs.
We
have
done
much
needed
improvements
to
this
mid-century,
modern
gem.
CP
With
the
help
of
rental
income.
The
income
is
essential.
I
personally
regularly
employ
16
people
for
our
property
because
of
the
short-term
rental
requirements.
Our
guests
and
employees
are
like
family.
We
cannot
occupy
the
property
for
90
days
a
year.
Communities
need
people
and
our
vacation
rental
guests
bring
joy
to
our
home
when
we
are
away
short-term
vacation.
Rental
owners
are
collectively
major
employers
of.
CQ
I'm
Tara
dubs
and
my
partner
and
I
recently
bought
a
house
in
Racquet
Club
Estates
that
we
live
in
full
time
before
moving
we
rented
strs
here
for
years,
we
would
have
never
discovered
our
passion
for
Palm
Springs
had
short-term
rentals
not
been
available,
even
as
current
owners,
we
still
rent
our
neighbors
homes.
Our
house
is
small.
When
we
celebrated
my
partner's
50th
birthday,
we
rented
a
house
down
the
street,
so
each
of
our
guests
could
continue
to
have
a
bedroom.
CQ
It
was
so
special
to
share
our
life
down
here
with
our
closest
friends
and
family.
Please
continue
to
allow
short-term
rentals
as
homeowners
and
lovers
of
the
history
of
the
city.
We
cannot
stress
how
important
it
is
to
continue
to
welcome
people
here
for
brief
stays.
We
do
not
want
this
magical
place
to
be
reserved
for
the
wealthy
and
privileged.
Thank
you.
CR
That
was
muted,
okay,
hi
I
am
against
all
changes
to
the
current
ordinance.
I
have
owned
my
home
since
2016..
Reducing
the
contracts
allowed
from
36
to
24
contracts
will
have
a
substantial
negative
impact
to
my
ability
to
keep
our
home
that
my
family
of
six
have
loved
and
visited
frequently
over
the
last
seven
years.
CR
I
will
seriously
have
to
consider
selling
my
house
if
this
occurs:
I
don't
live
in
Palm
Springs
permanently,
but
I
feel
like
a
part
of
the
community
as
I
know,
all
of
my
neighbors,
whether
short-term
rental
or
permanent
residence
and
I
visit
frequently
and
interact
with
all
of
them.
The
city
currently
has
very
stringent
laws
in
place
to
handle
short-term
rentals
right
now
and
they
are
working
in
good
order.
CR
I
spoke
with
my
Gardener
pool
guy
handyman,
greeter
housekeeper
and
local
restaurant
servers,
and
they
had
no
idea
about
these
proposals
or
how
these
proposals
would
affect
them.
Please
consider
how
this
decision
is
going
to
significantly
affect
in
a
negative
manner,
many
of
our
most
at-risk
workers
and
residents
and
during
a
recession
when
they
can
least
afford
it.
City
council
must
consider
the
lasting
impact
that
these
decisions
will
have
on
our
average
citizen
and
consider
solid
facts
in
their
decision
making.
CS
CT
Okay,
just
just
wanted
to
bring
that
back,
not
sure
any
other
points,
but
I'm,
a
former
renter
of
a
short
term
and
now
owner
as
well.
So
I
now
contribute
more
to
the
community
as
a
taxpayer.
From
that
perspective,
so
it's
mildly
offensive
for
people
to
ascertain
that
owners
who
might
not
live
there
permanently,
don't
contribute
to
the
community.
So
that's
I
mean
just
a
poorly
thought
out
argument,
but
also
to
bring
up
one
point
and
then
I'll
get
back
my
time
that
no
one
else
has
brought
up
with
this.
CT
Economic
study
is
what
is
the
potential
effect
of
people
who
are
not
able
either
to
sell
their
home
for
what
they
paid
for
it
if
the
economy
does
take
a
downturn,
but
what,
if
they
start
operating
illegally
and
start
giving
out
more
contracts
and
they're
legally
allowed
at
that
point
now,
the
city
is
actually
missing
out
on
Revenue
as
well,
so
I
think
just
so
many
things
have
not
been
thoroughly
thought
out
in
this
process
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
CU
To
be
the
result
of
one
squeaky
wheel,
getting
the
oil,
many
of
you
do
not
remember
the
28
28
2010
time
when
people
lost
their
homes.
The
vacation
rental
industry
came
in
people
came
into
this
town
and
improved
the
look
of
our
city.
They
made
the
homes
beautiful,
there's,
so
many
problems
that
you
admits,
but
the
90-day
residency
is
unbelievable.
Are
we
forming
The
Residency
police?
How
would
we
inform?
How
would
we
enforce
that?
CU
This
is
the
loss
of
jobs,
the
loss
of
Revenue,
the
cuts
in
the
city
budget,
don't
make
it
decision
without
the
information
and
vacation
rentals
being
accused
of
being
responsible
for
has
nothing
to
do
with
affordable
housing.
That's
a
false
flag!
So
I
urge
you
not
to
vote
on
this
tonight
to
go
back
and
get
more
information.
CL
D
CL
D
CV
Is
yes,
I'm,
a
single
mom
I'm,
an
educator
and
I'm
a
Sole
Provider,
my
home
in
Palm
Springs
is
my
only
home
and
it's
the
reason
that
I
can,
as
a
teacher,
realistically
pay
rent
and
live
in
California
and
for
so
many
people
our
short-term
rentals
are
a
home
away
from
home.
During
covid,
we
supported
the
economy
when,
basically,
hotels
were
not
an
option
and
people
didn't
feel
safe.
They
felt
safe,
coming
to
Palm
Springs
a
place
they
wanted
to
visit
so
much
and
they
were
able
to
stay
at
our
homes.
CV
I,
don't
believe
that
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
which
is
known
for
being
open-minded,
Progressive
and
really
basically
Pro
us
and
all
people,
is
trying
to
punish
small
business
owners
like
us
and
homeowners
like
us,
and
take
away
from
the
funds
of
the
city
and
put
the
city
in
a
delicate
spot
before
a
recession
and
I'd
like
to
request
that
you
reconsider,
because
the
changes
will
be
detrimental
to
all
directly
and
indirectly,
which
you
guys
know.
So,
please
take
that
into
consideration
when
making
your
decision.
Thank
you.
CV
Q
CW
Good
evening
we
bought
our
home
in
the
Mesa
as
a
place
to
retire
as
soon
as
possible.
We
care
about
our
neighbors
and
we
welcome
rural
compliant
and
diverse
guests
who
spend
money
in
the
community
and
support
businesses
and
jobs.
When
I
saw
our
housekeeper
last
night
and
told
her
about
the
possibility
of
a
potential
reduction
in
in
stage,
she
was
shocked
and
she
was
also
really
upset
about
the
potential
one-third
impact
in
her
livelihood
and
her
house
manager
is
also
deeply
concerned.
CW
The
reduction
of
stays
will
also
reduce
the
number
of
visitors
during
the
summer.
We
currently
have
no
problem
hosting
over
the
four
extra
summer
stays
because
we
have
enough
allowed
stays
for
the
year.
However,
this
will
impact
businesses
in
the
summer
and
those
who
work
in
them
and
I
think
you'll
also
see,
as
another
speaker
said,
a
reduction
in
the
availability
of
three
and
four
day
rentals,
due
to
the
same
reason.
CW
Lastly,
I
understand
that
the
residential
requirement
probably
came
about
to
ensure
hosts,
are
involved
in
the
community
like
we
are,
but
I
think
it's
impossible
to
police.
However,
I
do
think
the
existing
limit
of
one
permit
per
person
currently
in
place
solve
this
by
preventing
group
investors
and
companies.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
CX
CY
CY
CY
We're
here
tonight,
because
we
genuinely
do
not
like
a
lot
of
people
understand
what
clear
and
concrete
benefits
this
ordinance
is
going
to
provide
the
people
of
Palm
Springs,
especially
when
weighed
against
the
downside,
to
the
ordinance,
which
is
very
clear
losses
and
income
to
the
city,
property
owners
and
everyday
working
people
I.
Think
at
the
very
least,
we
respectfully
urge
the
council
to
consider
not
passing
passing
this
ordinance
right
now.
CY
CZ
Hi
there
thank
you,
I
am
a
Palm
Springs
taxpayer
I
opposed
3am
the
moratorium,
I
adore
Palm
Springs
I've,
been
visiting
for
decades
I'm
in
my
mid-40s
and
I
hope
to
retire
there,
but
in
order
to
do
that,
I
will
need
to
rent
out
the
condo
I
purchased
this
July
as
a
short-term
rental
until
I
can
retire
so
foremost,
I.
Ask
that
you
Please
Release
the
permits
to
the
people
who
applied
for
and
paid
the
fees
months
prior
to
this
moratorium.
CZ
I
should
have
been
a
few
days
from
receiving
my
permit
when
the
moratorium
was
enacted.
I
had
already
spent
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
renovating
a
previously
uncared
for
condo
into
mid-century
beautiful.
That
I
hope
reflects
the
Palm
Springs
Community
I
did
my
due
diligence,
followed
the
rules
paid
all
the
fees
and
made
Financial
plans
accordingly.
Holding
these
permits
that
should
have
already
been
dispersed
is
negatively
affecting
the
livelihood
of
people
who
made
informed
choices
based
on
the
doc
documentation
found
on
the
city
council
website
at
the
time
they
applied.
DA
Hello,
I'm,
Mike,
Lowder
I
oppose
the
proposed
changes,
including
the
90-day
residency
requirement,
I'm
a
taxpayer
in
Palm
Springs,
where
I
plan
to
retire
to
the
vacation,
condo
I
own
I
have
been
vacationing
in
Palm
Springs
for
years.
It
was
a
stretch
for
me
to
afford
my
condo,
but
I
brought
it
to
prepare
for
retirement
I
anticipated
visiting
one
weekend
a
month
and
at
other
times
renting
the
unit
out
as
a
vacation
rental
to
make
it
so
I
could
afford
it.
Your
proposed
ordinance
requiring
owners
to
reside
for
90
days
is
unworkable.
DA
I
am
still
employed,
full-time
out
of
state
for
me
to
spend
90
days
a
year
in
Palm,
Springs
I
would
have
to
fly
there
45
out
of
the
52
weekends
of
the
Year,
spend
two
days
in
flyback
90
day
or
90
flights
to
and
from
Palm
Springs
each
year
just
to
comply
with
this
requirement.
Your
goal
of
wanting
owners
who
are
connected
to
Palm
Springs
is
admirable.
However,
this
requirement
is
not
a
reasonable
solution.
It
will
only
work
for
wealthy
and
retired
people.
Please
do
not
Implement
any
such
requirement.
DA
DB
Palm
Springs
is
a
major
vacation
destination
where
entering
into
a
recession
like
it
or
not.
The
viability
of
our
Palm
Springs
economy,
all
of
our
home
prices
and
basic
ability
to
be
a
thriving
city
is
tied
to
where
vacationers
choose
to
travel,
make
it
easy
and
attractive
for
travelers
to
visit
our
homes
in
respectful,
predictable
way,
which
we
have
already
established
with
current
ordinance,
and
we
are
more
likely
to
succeed
as
a
city.
Short-Term
rentals
in
Palm
Springs
have
offered
groups
of
friends
and
multi-generational
families
and
affordable
and
special
place
to
come
together.
DB
These
groups
bring
money
in
so
many
complex
ways.
Blocking
access
will
severely
impact,
Palm,
Springs
economy
and
infrastructure.
My
family
loves
Palm
Springs.
We
have
one
home
here
that
we
personally
use
and
rent
for
32
contracts
per
year.
We
want
Palm
Springs
to
continue
to
be
a
destination
for
generations
to
come.
Restrictive
ordinance
and
short-term
rentals
will
crush
our
community
financially
and
impact
all
that
we
love
about
Palm,
Springs,
I,
respect
the
members
of
the
city
council
and
trust
that
they
will
understand
that
Draconian
measures
will
hurt
our
community.
Thank
you.
DC
All
right,
thank
you.
For
your
time.
My
name
is
Francesco
Sherrod
speaking
on
behalf
of
Desiree
I
do
not
want
to
repeat
many
of
the
excellent
points
that
have
been
made
tonight
on
why
these
these
rules
should
shouldn't
pass.
What
I
will
say
is
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
property
owners
in
this
room
and
in
the
community
are
small
business
owners,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
hard
to
figure
out
that
24
rentals
is
just
not
going
to
cut
it.
DC
That's
going
to
cause
a
lot
of
people
to
sell
their
homes
and
that's
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
real
estate
market
in
Palm,
Springs
now
I
fully
understand.
That's
part
of
the
reason
is
to
get
more
homes
out
there
and
lower
prices,
but
this
problem
is
already
being
solved
right
now
we're
in
a
recession.
Interest
rates
are
high,
we're
not
in
the
same
Market.
We
were
in
last
year.
So
why
would
we
add
fuel
to
this
fire
and
why
are
we
fixing
something?
That's
not
broken.
Thank
you
very
time.
DD
Okay,
perfect
I
am
against
3A
and
I'm
not
going
to
make
the
same
point.
Everyone
have
made
already
I
just
wanted.
Let
everyone
know
that
we're
semi-retired,
we
love
Palm
Springs.
We
moved
here
because
we
love
the
area
we
love
to
grow.
We
love
the
people,
we
love
the
lot.
The
area
offers,
including
tennis,
everything
that
goes
everywhere.
DD
CD
DE
DE
I'm
disturbed
and
city
council
seems
to
be
arbitrarily
and
capriciously
rushing
to
enact
new
rental
restrictions
on
owners
of
second
homes
in
Palm
Springs
right
before
a
new
slate
of
council
members
are
sworn
in
and
without
adequate
studies
on
tot
on
job
creation
and
on
the
impact
in
tourism.
While
we
appear
to
be
fine,
since
we
are
grandfathered
in
for
at
least
a
bit
according
to
the
rules
and
plan
to
use
our
house
as
an
eventual
home,
the
cold
reality
is
that
city
council
is
playing
God
with
prices
in
Palm
Springs
and
Racquet
Club
Estates.
DE
Certain
council
members
claim
to
not
want
to
set
limits
on
short-term
rentals,
but
because
of
the
arbitrary
limits
set
on
short-term
rentals
in
selected
neighborhoods,
our
property
values
already
have
and
will
continue
to
be,
adversely
affected.
This
probably
won't
hurt
us,
except
we
won't
be
able
to
improve
our
property
any
more
than
we
already
have,
and
if
anything
should
financially
adversely
go
against
us
in
the
near
term,
we
will
definitely
be
impacted.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
DF
DF
We
did
so
by
visiting
Palm
Springs
through
short-term
rentals
and
got
to
know
the
neighborhood
and
fall
in
love
with
the
neighborhood
and
felt
part
of
the
community,
and
that
was
what
led
us
to
be
able
to
realize
our
Dream
by
being
able
to
purchase
our
first
place
in
Palm
Springs.
DF
DG
Hi
there
hi
thank
you,
I'm,
a
visual
artist
in
LA
and
I
bought
a
year
ago,
and
the
36
bookings
were
carefully
calculated
into
my
being
able
to
purchase
it
all.
What's
brilliant
about
how
you
crafted
the
ordinance
and
limiting
the
bookings
is
how
it
discouraged
pure
investors
and
encouraged
owners
who
would
be
present
I'm
here,
every
chance
I
get
if
you're
going
to
reduce
the
number
of
bookings
allowed
I.
DG
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
cap
or
the
neighborhood
density,
as
I
do
think.
Balance
is
important.
I've
poured
any
income
I've
made
into
preserving
this
architectural
Wexler
gem,
which
anyone
knows
preserving
a
60
year.
Old
house
is
not
for
the
faint
of
heart
I'm,
also
helping
my
Gardener
and
cleaners
learn
about
investment
loans
so
that
they
can
rise
up
to
be
owners
and
not
just
servicers.
Thank
you.
A
A
Right,
thank
you
all.
We
will
resume
the
meeting
we
will.
The
next
item
is
the
consent.
Calendar
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
the
consent
calendar
without
items
1n,
as
in
Nancy,
one
o
as
an
opal
which
were
removed
for
separate
discussion.
Do
we
have
a
motion?
Some
moved.
Is
there
a
second
second.
R
We
have
councilmember
Woodson.
Q
A
Councilmember
Woods
you
raised
this:
do
you
want
a
staff
report
questions
comments,
sir.
G
DH
Something
sounds
good.
Thank
you,
mayor
mayor,
Pro,
tem,
council
members.
The
public
Arts
commission
had
requested
the
approval
for
purchase
of
two
art
pieces,
which
are
the
wow
art
piece
and
the
Popsicles
art
piece.
Those
are
both
on
loan
from
the
artist
to
the
city
for
display
at
their
respective
locations
and
the
the
Popsicles
art
piece
was
priced
at
approximately
ten
thousand
dollars,
plus
the
installation
and
repair
cost
of
its
current
site.
It's
and
for
for
those.
DH
The
pricing
was
based
on
some
of
the
former
art
pieces
that
the
artists
had
prepared
and
sold,
and
those
art
pieces
were
actually
came
in
at
higher
prices
than
what
the
city
is.
What
the
Arts
commission
is
proposing
for
for
the
Popsicles
art
piece,
the
wow
sculpture
was
priced
based
on
the
marsh
Gallery
in
Los
Angeles,
which
listed
it
for
sale
in
2019
and
2020.
So
those
prices
are
consistent
with
those.
DH
If
the
purchase
is
approved,
popsicles
would
remain
at
its
current
site
on
Sunny
Dunes
Road
and
with
the
approval
of
the
owner.
The
owner's
already
consented
to
doing
so
and
the
wow
sculpture
is
proposed
would
be
moved
to
where
one
of
the
squiggles
pieces
currently
resides.
At
a
couple
Council
meetings
ago,
Council
Hugo
approved
moving
the
squiggles
all
to
demuth
park
so
to
backfill
the
one
squiggle
in
front
of
Ernest
coffee,
the
wow
sculpture,
is
being
proposed
for
that
location.
G
DH
I,
don't
recall
that
specific
Direction
councilman,
but
the
Arts
commission
did
recommend
an
Arts,
appraiser
I
think
it
was
in
April
of
last
year.
Unfortunately,
that
appraiser
dropped
out
of
out
of
that
contract.
They
did
not
want
to
pursue
in
entering
that
contract
with
the
city.
So
we're
back
to
square
one.
We
can
identify
other
Arts
appraisers.
We
believe
there's
a
few
good
ones
in
the
community
that
we
can
use
to
do
so
right.
DH
What
that
we're
using
to
identify
many
of
the
art
pieces
through
that
that
require
cleaning,
and
that
builds
up
the
inventory
for
what
we
ultimately
will
have
as
that
collection,
we're
also
planning
on
identifying
exactly
the
location
of
those
other
art
pieces
using
a
GIS
service
so
that
we
can
well
we'll
know
their
location
based
on
a
GIS
location.
DH
Our
website,
no,
it
is
not.
The
plan-
is
to
revamp
the
entire
website,
actually
make
sure
it's
under
City
control,
and
then
we
can
add
the
other
features,
such
as
the
gis,
the
tour
mapping
features
and,
along
with
the
other,
typical
commission
information,
such
as
meeting
agendas,
Etc.
G
And
do
we
have
a
time
frame
for
that.
DH
DH
For
the
art,
tracking
and
mapping,
we're.
DH
Discussing
that
at
the
next
Arts
commission
meeting
on
Wednesday.
G
Okay,
all
right,
so
you
know
thank
you
Jay
very
much
and
whenever
we're
ready
for
comments,
I'm
happy
to
comment.
A
No
other
questions
shall
we
go
to
comments.
G
Certainly
I
can
start
the
artist
for
the
Popsicles
is
Whimsical
and
fun
as
it
is,
is
basically
a
muralist
who
has
put
some
of
his
murals
on
cardboard
or
not
cardboard,
on
plywood
or
another,
and
the
artist
himself
has
stated
that
the
artwork
will
last
seven
to
maybe
10
years
before
it
needs
to
be
refurbished
and
we've
already
had
it
I
think
for
two
years.
So
it's
life
expectancy
is
not
real
long.
G
G
We
do
need
to
get
a
formal
appraisal
on
not
only
this
artwork
before
we
buy
to
make
sure
we're
paying
the
correct
price,
but
on
all
of
our
artwork
and
lastly,
I
want
to
repeat
something
that
I
mentioned
during
the
boards
and
commissions
meeting
about
the
direction
of
Art
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
and
before
we
go
to
a
couple
of
slides.
I
just
really
want
to
say
that
you
know
Chicago
has
the
being
you
know.
Each
City
seems
to
have
a
piece
in
privately.
G
We
brought
in
Marilyn
Monroe,
not
through
the
Arts
commission,
and
it
was
very
controversial,
but
it
seems
to
be
fantastic
for
tourists
that
come
here.
It's
it's
a
place
to
go
and
see,
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
of
that
art
that
type
of
art
we've
done
a
lot
of
painting.
Adventures
we've
done
a
lot
of
painting
of
walls.
G
G
This
is
those
same
swings
with
no
one
in
them
and
it
is
a
gazebo
with
just
swings
in
it
and
it's
interactive
art,
that's
fun
that
people
can
enjoy,
they
can
enjoy
it
on
the
street.
It's
got
a
shade
structure.
It's
something
I
think
we
could
use
here
in
Palm,
Springs
next
slide
above
on.
The
left
is
a
wall
and
we
have
Lot
G
downtown.
G
This
is
a
fence
I,
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
that,
until
we
decide
what
we're
doing
with
Lot
G
downtown
next
to
the
parking
structure,
why
we
can't
have
a
piece
of
art
surrounding
it,
such
as
this
fence
versus
a
Cyclone
Fence
with
fencing
over
it.
The
lower
right
is
a
great
piece
of
homoerotic
art
of
kind
of
yesteryears,
of
of
cruising
for
gay
men,
a
great
piece
of
public
art
as
well.
That
I
think
would
suit
our
community
incredibly.
So
next
slide.
G
This
is
a
piece
of
art
as
well.
It's
just
a
wrinkled
solo
box
that
everyone
is
using.
This
particular
woman
was
taking
photos
of
herself,
maybe
for
her
wedding
or
some
other
special
occasion.
You
can
also
see
people
sitting
on
top
of
it
another
great
interactive
piece
of
art
that
is
not
painting,
walls
or
or
traffic
control
boxes.
Next
slide,
these
two
pieces,
I'm
showing
the
upper
right,
is
actually
an
awning,
as
is
the
lower
left.
This
is
perfect
for
Palm
Springs.
G
Not
only
does
it
provide
art,
the
one
on
the
left
is
a
blue
glass
and
the
one
on
the
right
is
circular
glass
a
little
more
expensive,
but
it
provides
shade
in
our
desert
environment.
So
not
only
do
you
get
art,
but
you
get
shade
and
if
you
on
the
left
or
on
both
of
them
look
at
the
patterning
of
the
sun
on
the
lower
level
as
well
next
slide.
G
G
This
is
a
parking
structure,
and
what
is
interesting
about
this
is
our
Arts
commission
proposed
just
painting
our
parking
structure.
I
think
we
need
to
up
our
game
and
do
something
more
like
this
more
interesting.
This
may
not
be
the
concept,
but
it's
just
more
robust
in
its
art
performance.
Next
piece.
Next
slide:
here's
a
piece,
it's
just
simple
lighting,
again,
something
we
could
do
very
easily
here
and
during
our
during
our
boards
in
commission,
I
asked
them
to
do
something
for
Pride.
That
would
be
interesting.
G
And
that's
it
so
I,
just
I,
don't
think
that
I
want
to
buy
this
piece
of
art
for
14
000
we've
had
it
for
two
years:
it's
ephemeral
art
anyway,
it's
not
going
to
last
I
I
would
like
to
purchase
the
wow
piece
to
replace
in
Santa
or
no
excuse
me
on
Palm,
Canyon
Boulevard,
but
I
think
it's
time
to
try
something
new
we've
done.
The
we've
done.
G
The
popsicles
they're
great,
but
I'd
like
to
see
us
move
up
to
something
a
little
more
advanced
that
people
can
interact
with
in
the
ways
that
I
just
demonstrated
so
I
would
ask
for
an
appraisal
on
both
pieces
of
art
before
we
move
forward.
Thank
you.
A
If
I
could
Jay
public
Arts
commission,
what
was
their
recommendation
on?
Let's
start
with
the
popsicle
artwork.
DH
That
was
to
purchase
the
artwork
metamere.
DH
A
To
nineteen
thousand
dollars
so
how
many
of
those
pieces
of
art
were
there.
A
R
I
think
councilmember
wood
said
and
I
don't
know.
If
those
were
the
pieces,
you
know
were
painted
on
plywood
and
stuff.
So
were
these
similar
size
sort
of
sculptural
like
this
others?
What
were
the
five
pieces
that
they
used
as
a
comparison,
or
is
it
just
invoice
for
some
kind
of
art?
No.
DH
R
DH
Were
yes
I
do
I
mean
it
was
like
a
giant
goat?
They
they
were
all
larger
than
popsicles,
but
popsicles
as
more
pieces.
You
know
a
giant
sports,
car
and
Elvis,
and
you
know
all
were
larger
than
this.
CX
DH
We
have
to
bring
an
appraiser
on
I,
don't
know
the
cost.
You
know
it'd
probably
be
good
to
get
an
appraiser
on
board
just
on
on
on
call
that
might
be
helpful,
but
for
individual
pieces
it's
hard
to
tell
what
what
that
might
cost.
A
I
appreciate
the
impermanence
of
this
particular
Art
Exhibit,
but
at
fourteen
thousand
dollars
and
with
the
unanimous
support
of
our
public
Arts
commission
I'm
struggling
to
justify
not
agreeing
with
the
public
Arts
Commission
on
this
piece
mayor
part
time.
DI
Thank
you
Amber,
who,
who
told
me
this,
but
I
recently
learned
that
that's
our
most
popular
art
piece
in
Palm
Springs
that
it's
the
most
instagrammed
I
think
it
was
someone
on
the
Arts
commission
but
I.
It
slips
my
mind
who
it
was,
but
I
I,
think
fourteen
thousand
dollars
for
the
most
instagramable
piece
in
Palm
Springs
is
well
worth
it.
R
Sure
yeah
I'm
good
with
that,
but
I
also
agree
with
councilmember
Woods.
We
should
moving
forward
really
get
an
appraisal
and
if
we're
gonna
have
comparisons
like
that,
it'll
be
great
to
have
them
in
the
staff
report.
So
we
and
the
public
can
see
them.
I.
Think
that'll
save
a
time
here
as
well,
but
I
think
the
point
is
is
well
taken
how
we
need
to
do
this.
Moving
forward,
the
council
member
Woods
has
raised.
A
And
I
think
there
are
some
excellent
examples
of
public
art
that
councilmember
Woods
brought
forth.
All
of
us
want
to
see
the
Arts
be
a
critical
part
of
our
community.
G
No
I
just
I'm
going
to
vote
no
on
the
Popsicles,
because
I
think
we've
done
it
and
it's
that's
what
it's
meant
to
be
ephemeral
and
I.
Think
that's
great
ephemeral.
Water
is
good
and
I'll
vote
Yes
for
the
while,
but
I
agree
that
we
should
get
an
appraiser
on
board
for
future
purchases
and
that's
it
and
then
you
guys
may
vote
differently,
but
okay
yeah
there
you
go.
BD
DJ
A
Aye
so
we'll
now
move
on
to
item
100,
which
is
the
second
piece
of
art
I,
think
we
I
think
we
have
discussed
it,
but
we
do
need
to
vote
on
this.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
1-0.
BD
A
A
A
The
next
item
is
2A,
a
public
hearing
to
consider
General
plan
Amendment
and
a
zoning
text
amendment
to
modify
residential
density
standards
for
CBD
land
use
designation
and
to
revise
legal
non-conforming
criteria
to
allow
conversion
of
certain
hotel
uses
to
multi-family
residential
apartment
uses.
May
we
have
a
staff
report,
please.
DK
The
second
would
apply
within
the
general
plan's
CBD
or
Central
business
district
downtown
and
would
provide
certain
exceptions
from
the
underlying
density
requirements
to
ensure
that
mixed-use
development
can
accommodate
residential
and
active
ground
floor
commercial
uses
for
the
Zone
text
Amendment,
we
are
proposing
to
effectuate
the
general
plan
Amendment
on
hotel
to
apartment
conversions
by
establishing
a
new
conditional
use,
permit
and
sorry
and
Associated
findings
for
those
conversions.
I
will
provide
more
detail
on
this
leader
in
the
presentation
for
context
staff
initiated
this
process.
DK
At
the
request
of
the
Planning
Commission
in
2021
and
in
response
to
inquiries,
we
were
receiving
about
potential
Hotel,
conversions
and
mixed
use.
Development
that
were
running
into
obstacles
under
current
regulation
staff
were
directed
to
study
the
issue
and
return
with
proposed
amendments
to
eliminate
these
barriers
to
housing,
production
and
tonight's
recommendations
are
the
result
of
that
work,
getting
back
into
more
detail
and
starting
with
the
hotel
to
apartment
conversions.
DK
Historically,
these
were
often
Studio
or
one-bedroom
units
that
today
could
provide
a
more
affordable
housing
typology
to
meet
our
current
need.
However,
current
rules
would
preclude
their
conversion
or
even
encourage
that
they'd
be
combined
to
larger,
more
expensive
units
while
providing
less
housing
to
remedy
this
issue,
we
are
proposing
to
add
additional
language
to
the
general
plan
that
would
essentially
indicate
that
legally
operating
hotel
or
motel
uses
May
revert
back
to
their
original
apartment
use
at
the
original
density.
DK
If
a
conditional
use
permit
is
granted
to
ensure
consistency
in
the
general
plan,
we
also
need
to
clean
up
other
language
indicating
primarily
to
delete
a
policy
that
today
states
that
hotel
conversions
are
strongly
discouraged,
considering
the
city's
current
housing
goals
and
stated
need,
we
are
proposing
to
replace
the
text
with
a
more
affirmative
statement
supporting
the
conversion
of
small
hotels
to
housing
units
when
appropriate
to
further
codify
this
process.
We
are
proposing
a
new
section,
be
added
to
the
zoning
code
in
chapter
94.05
to
regulate
these
conversions
and
the
associated
conditional
use
permit
process.
DK
As
I
said,
the
amendment
would
establish
that
the
density
for
such
conversions
may
be
the
same
as
the
original
apartment
use
and
also
establishes
zoning
tools
available
to
address
parking
requirements.
Should
there
be
a
deficiency,
for
example,
a
specific
parking
plan
can
be
sought
from
the
Planning
Commission
or
exemptions
may
be
available
for
certain
class
1
historic
buildings,
which
is
the
case
today,
and
it
would
be
determined
on
a
case-by-case
basis
depending
on
the
development,
specific
findings.
I'm.
Sorry,
let
me
go
back
at
the
specific
findings
relative
to
the
conditional
use.
DK
So
the
second
item
is
related
to
density
in
the
CBD,
and
it's
a
little
bit
simpler.
Again.
Changes
to
regulations
that
have
been
made
over
the
years
have
established
higher
density
requirements
in
the
CBD
in
our
downtown
area
to
encourage
more
business
and
residents
in
our
downtown.
Our
commitment
to
that
has
not
changed.
However.
We
believe
that
there
may
have
been
some
unintended
consequences
of
those
changes
that
have
occurred
that
actually
may
be
a
barrier
to
housing
production
in
some
instances.
DK
More
specifically,
the
general
plan
establishes
a
minimum
density
of
21
units
per
acre
within
the
CBD
area.
This
minimum
often
cannot
be
met
in
some
of
the
historic,
smaller
building
stock
that
exists
in
the
town
town,
where
you
can
think
it
may
have
a
second
story
that
may
have
been
a
commercial
use
it
may
be
vacant
today
and
where
you
may
be
able
to
get
two
to
three
apartments
in
it.
But
you
would
not
be
able
to
meet
that
21
units
per
acre
that
is
established
in
the
general
plan.
DK
Similarly,
for
new
mixed
use,
developments
we're
seeing
smaller
lock
conditions
or
some
of
the
other
development
standards
that
exist
in
the
zoning
code,
May
prevent
barriers
where,
if
that
development
is
proposing
a
substantial
amount
of
commercial
use
along
our
major
thoroughfares
at
the
ground
level,
which
we
you
know
want
to
encourage
to
promote
active
uses
along
the
ground
floor,
that
they
may
also
have
trouble
meeting
the
minimum
density
standards
when
they're
providing
residential
above
so
so
so
that
you
know
those
those
limitations
are
really
at
odds
with
our
desire
for
more
housing
and
active
Street
streetscapes
in
our
downtown,
when
it's
essentially
encouraging
some
of
those
mixed-use
developments
to
forgo
commercial
uses
at
the
ground
level.
DK
So
the
solution
that
we
are
proposing
here
is
additional
language
within
the
central
business
district
designation
within
the
land
use
element
of
the
general
plan.
That
would
add
the
underlying
text
shown
here.
That
would
essentially
provide
two
exemptions
from
the
CBD
district
density
requirements,
the
first
for
those
smaller
existing
buildings
that
I
mentioned
where
they
may
be
second
or
third
stories
that
could
accommodate
Apartments.
We
would
indicate
that
no
minimum
density
would
apply
again.
DK
The
idea
there
is
there's
active
ground
floor
use
and
they're
repurposing
a
space,
that's
above
it
for
the
purposes
of
housing.
The
second
would
be
for
those
new
mixed
use,
developments
that
I'm
talking
about
that
are
proposing
substantial
ground
floor
commercial
uses
along
a
major
thoroughfare,
where
we
would
allow
an
exception
from
the
21
units
per
acre
down
to
10
units
per
acre,
where
75
percent
of
the
ground
floor
along
a
major
thoroughfare
is
provided
for
active,
publicly
accessible
commercial
use.
DK
DK
DK
R
DK
DK
Would
prevent
you
from
having
the
ground
floor
commercial
there,
and
we
would
certainly
encourage
it
in
conversation
with
with
applicants,
but
I
think
to
reduce
the
density
from
the
21
units
per
acre
Target
that
we
have
in
the
general
plan
today
down
to
the
10..
We're
really
focused
on
making
sure
that
70
75
percent
of
the
front
edge
along
the
major
thoroughfare.
DK
DK
On
so
the
CBD
district
goes
up
to
I,
believe
Alejo.
R
Was
there
a
thought
about
it
going
further?
That
was
one
of
my
concerns
as
we're
starting
to
see
some
residential
applications
in
uptown,
for
example,
that
are
basically
walls
on
Palm
Canyon,
where
we're
gonna
have
gaps
now
between
activating
the
street.
Something
councilmember
Woods
has
taught
me
a
lot
about
over
the
last
three
years,
the
importance
of
activating
those
streets
and
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
those.
So
was
there
any
discussion,
because
we
only
have
those
big
gaps
that
aren't
activating
a
street
like
Palm
Canyon.
R
You
know
it
I
think
negatively
impacts
those
commercial
residents
in
the
experience
right.
DK
DK
Not
as
part
of
this
conversation,
this
was
really
focused
on
looking
at
the
existing
CPU
designation
that
exists.
We
are
in
the
middle
of
the
general
Plan
update.
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
what
proposed
changes
were
made
to
the
land
use
element
to
see.
If
we
considered
extending
that
designation
further
north
I
do
know
from
other
projects
that
we
are
working
on
in
the
area
that
you're
talking
about.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
Christopher
great
question.
I
thought
that
one
of
the
potential
properties
we
were
looking
at
was
just
south
of
Racket,
Club
and
111
on
the
the
east
side
of
the
street
directly
across
from
the
coal
hotel,
which
is
out
of
the
Zone,
we're
talking
about
or
am
I
missing.
The
point.
DL
Yeah,
it's
further
south.
It's
it's
a
little
like
closer
to
Escuela.
It's
currently
I
believe
you
know
there
was
confusion.
CL
DK
DA
A
All
right,
Chris
one
question:
does
this
apply
to
all
current
hotels,
or
is
it
limited
to
those
that
were
originally
designed
as
apartments
and
now
are
seeking
to
be
reconverted
back
to
being
an
apartment
right.
DK
A
So
I
can
appreciate
doing
that
and
I
don't
want
to
complicate
this
process,
but
are
we
also
considering
a
conversion
process
that
would
ease
the
ability
of
existing
apartments?
That
were
excuse
me,
hotels
that
were
not
originally
designed
as
Apartments
to
be
converted.
I.
DK
Don't
believe
that
we
have
been
considering
that
I'm
going
to
look
to
to
the
assistant
city
manager,
but
but
that
is
certainly
something
we
can
continue
to
look
at
if
Council
so
wishes.
So.
A
A
A
D
A
H
Is
Madam
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council
at
the
March
29
September
29th
and
October
17th
City
Council
meetings,
city
council
heard
information
and
considered
whether
additional
regulation
of
vacation
rental
uses
within
the
city
would
be
appropriate.
At
the
October
17th
council
meeting,
the
city
council
adopted
an
emergency
ordinance
establishing
a
temporary
pause
on
the
processing
and
issuance
of
vacation
rental
permits
within
the
city,
pending
a
study
of
potential
newer
or
additional
regulations.
H
This
item
provides
the
city
council
with
the
opportunity
to
consider
an
ordinance
modifying
the
current
vacation
rental
regulations,
as
well
as
potentially
providing
further
direction
to
City
staff
and
the
City
attorney
with
regard
to
any
further
regulations.
This
agenda
item
also
is
teed
up
as
a
potential
opportunity
for
the
council
to
consider
modifying
or
ending
the
moratorium
that
was
adopted
at
the
October
20
act.
H
October
17th,
council
meeting
they're
approximately
nine
items
that
the
city
council
directed
the
city
staff
and
city
attorney's
office
to
come
back
with
in
this
ordinance
I'll
highlight
those
first
and
then
go
through
each
of
them.
In
turn,
the
first
was
neighborhood-based
caps
on
vacation
rentals.
The
second
was
requirements
for
owner
occupation
of
vacation
rental
properties.
H
The
third
was
an
additional
category
of
vacation
rental
permits
for
those
owners
who
wish
to
rent
them
homes
for
fewer
than
36
times
per
year,
sometimes
known
as
our
referred
to
here
as
Junior
permits
a
provision
providing
for
grandfathering
or
grandparenting
in
each
of
these.
Some
of
these
new
regulations,
interplay
of
vacation,
rentals
and
event,
houses,
clarification
of
consequences
for
failure
to
pay
transient
occupancy
tax
associated
with
vacation
rentals,
further,
defining
the
incidental
use
of
of
residences
as
vacation
rental
uses
and
then
finally,
a
regular
review
of
vacation
rental
regulations.
H
It
should
be
noted
that
this,
in
this
item
with
regard
to
Neighborhood
base
caps,
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
issues
that
we'll
be
discussing,
the
numbers
that
are
in
here
are
really
just
kind
of
placeholders.
Based
on
the
discussion
that
was
had
at
the
October
meeting,
so
those
numbers
can
be
changed
based
on
the
city
council's
policy
Direction
as
such,
the
proposed
ordinance
proposes
a
cap
of
20
percent
of
the
residential
dwelling
units
again
that
20
cap
can
be
adjusted
based
on
the
council's
policy
Direction.
H
The
cap,
as
proposed,
would
exclude
residential
Apartments
as
well
as
Condominiums.
However,
as
proposed,
the
ordinance
would
provide
that
any
dwelling
unit,
whether
a
single-family
residence
or
a
condominium,
that's
still
regulated
by
the
original
HOA
developer,
would
be
included
for
the
purpose
of
calculating
the
percentage.
H
It
should
be
noted-
and
this
might
not
be
entirely
clear
from
the
ordinance
but
I
think
the
intent
was
for
this
cap
to
not
apply
to
the
junior
permits,
but
only
the
the
traditional
regular
permits,
but
it
would
be
good
to
get
clarification
from
the
council.
Should
the
council
wish
to
move
forward
with
this
ordinance
as
to
that
assumed
intent.
H
In
addition,
the
city
staff
has
received
from
our
our
consultant
yesterday
some
preliminary
data
on
the
number
of
Condominiums
and
apartments
in
relation
to
single-family
residences
within
each
neighborhood.
City
staff
is
still
reviewing
those
to
to
kind
of
verify
and
true
them
up,
but
we
do
have
some
at
least
preliminary
information
on
that
in.
In
that
regard,
it
should
be
noted
that
the
proposed
ordinance
would
allow
the
percentage
to
be
changed
by
city
council
resolution
from
time
to
time.
H
Second
issue
is
under
occupation
of
vacation
rental
properties,
and
this
arose
from
the
city
council's
concern
that
we
wanted
to
again
make
sure
that
vacation,
rental
use
of
the
of
the
properties
is
is
really
secondary
and
incidental.
So
the
proposed
ordinance
requires
new
permittees
to
reside
at
the
property
at
least
90
days
per
calendar
year,
and
in
order
to
monitor
this
and
enforce
it,
New
Primitives
would
be
required
to
certify
under
penalty
of
perjury
that
the
owner
intends
to
occupy
the
property
for
that
time
period
and
then
on
each
annual
renewal.
H
H
With
regard
to
the
junior
permits
issue,
the
city
council
asked
that
we
provide
for
some
flexibility
for
those
property
owners
who
may
not
want
to
rent
their
property
short-term
on
a
short-term
basis,
a
full
36
times
per
year,
and
so
the
draft
ordinance
proposes
this
junior
permit
category
under
the
draft
ordinance,
the
junior
permit
would
be
for
those
property
owners
who
wish
to
rent
their
properties
for
six
or
fewer
times
per
year.
Again,
that
number
six
could
be
adjusted
by
the
city
council
should
it
wish
to
do
so.
H
The
ordinance
also
provides
for
a
reduced
registration
fee
for
these
Junior
permits
on
the
on
the
on
the
basis
that
they
would
require
less
oversight
and
and
monitoring
by
City
staff
and
again
those
fees
would
be
adopted
by
a
resolution
in
the
future.
The
ordinance
provides
that
if,
if
a
property
owner
does
not
use
or
submit
that
number
of
seven
or
more
contracts
per
year,
then
they
would
be
automatically
moved
down
into
a
junior
permit
category.
H
That
date
can
can
be
changed
to
the
council
wish
to
do
so.
The
two
categories
that
would
be
grandfather
or
grandparented
would
be
the
contracts
the
number
of
contracts,
so
the
proposed
ordinance
caps
existing
permittees
at
32
plus
4
for
a
total
of
36
for
two
years,
in
other
words,
until
December,
31st,
2024
and
thereafter
existing
Primitives
would
be
limited
to
24
contracts
per
calendar
year
again,
these
numbers
can
be
adjusted
by
the
council
new
permittees.
H
On
the
other
hand,
oh
I'm,
sorry
on
this
in
the
second
category
for
grandfathering
or
grandparenting,
would
be
with
regard
to
The,
Residency
or
occupancy
provision.
The
proposed
ordinance
would
require
that
new
permittees
occupy
their
property
at
least
90
days
per
calendar
year
and
then,
after
five
years
after
January
1st
2028,
all
vacation
rental
owners
will
be
required
to
occupy
the
property
for
90
days
again,
these
numbers
are
placeholders.
H
The
next
category
is
vacation,
rentals
and
event
houses.
The
proposed
ordinance
provides
that
vacation
rentals,
including
any
Junior
vacation
rental,
cannot
be
used
as
an
event
house.
It's
a
flat
out
ban
in
looking
at
the
existing
ordinance.
It
appears
to
to
read
as
though
that
was
the
original
intent.
Although
this
provision
as
drafted
would
would
make
it
more
clear.
So
the
council
is
welcome
to
take
up
that
issue
and
provide
direction
to
staff.
H
H
The
next
issue
is
with
regard
to
incidental
uses
of
vacation
Residential
Properties.
The
current
vacation
rental
ordinance
provides
that
a
person
cannot
maintain
a
financial
interest
in
more
than
one
vacation
rental
property,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
Define
kind
of
what
that
isn't
intended
to
cover
as
including
legal
and
beneficial
ownership,
as
well
as
any
Arrangement
that
provides
for
a
receipt
in
any
portion
of
revenues
generated
by
a
vacation
rental.
H
During
this
past
year,
the
city
has
received
at
least
one
request
by
married
copy
couple
to
allow
two
Residential
Properties
to
be
registered
as
vacation
rentals.
They
were,
they
were
literally
right
next
to
each
other
and
in
staff's
opinion,
the
ownership
and
operation
of
two
Residential
Properties
by
a
married
couple
or
a
couple
in
a
domestic
partnership,
is
inconsistent
with
the
concept
of
incidental
incidental
uses
of
those
residences.
H
Finally,
with
regard
to
the
moratorium
at
the
city
council,
October
17th
meeting,
the
council
adopted
the
temporary
pause
on
the
processing
of
vacation
rental
applications
and
Rental
permits
that
moratorium
is
set
to
expire
on
November
30th
2022,
and
should
the
council
determine
that
moving
forward
with
this
ordinance
satisfies
the
council's
purpose
of
that
pause
in
terms
of
preventing
a
rush?
The
this
item
is
is
teed
up
for
the
council
to
provide
Direction
and
either
modify
or
terminate
that
moratorium.
H
The
special
programs
director
Veronica
goodheart,
is
available
to
provide
additional
information
with
regard
to
some
of
the
questions
on
data
that
the
city
council
had
previously
asked
for,
and
so
she's
got
a
PowerPoint
presentation
that
she
can
provide.
At
this
point.
DM
Good
evening
Council
this
evening,
we
return
to
you
and
we
have
compiled
some
of
the
stats
that
were
requested
and
some
information
clarification
from
the
last
meeting.
We
do
appreciate
the
more
torments
our
staff
has
worked
very
diligently
in
compiling
this
information
for
you.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
Patrick
Clifford,
who
will
go
through
the
PowerPoint
and
explain
that
information
for
you.
DN
The
first
slide
here
talks
about
an
ownership,
and
it's
important
to
note
with
this
information
here
that,
prior
to
the
ordinance,
1918
and
2017
property
owners
that
did
have
more
than
one
vacation
rental
owned
or
were
grandparented
in
to
continue
holding
those
properties
until
they
were
disposed
of.
Staff
did
put
together
information
I'm
reviewing
our
vacation
rental
database
and
found
that
currently
there
are
23
permit
holders
that
do
have
at
least
two
properties,
one
permit
holder
that
has
three
one
permit
holder
that
has
four
and
one
permit
holder
that
currently
has
11
vacation
rental
properties.
DN
Additionally,
we
did
look
into
event
homes
with
relation
to
Vacation
Rentals.
What
we
did
was
is
we
worked
with
our
business
license
team
and
obtained
a
list
of
current
business
license
holders
that
have
a
license
for
an
event
house
this.
That
list
did
include
proper
properties
that,
at
least
at
one
time
had
a
business
license
for
an
event
house,
but
may
not
currently
have
one.
Now
when
we
took
that
business
license
or
the
event
house
list
and
compared
it
to
our
vacation
rental
hotline
calls.
Since
2017.
DN
DN
DN
Further
reviewing
those
142
calls
to
those
identified
properties.
There
were
14
citations
issued
on
three
for
too
many
vehicles,
one
10
for
music
and
one
for
multiple
violations
such
as
vehicles
and
music.
However,
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
these
were
not
violations
of
the
event
house
permit
itself
and
were
most
likely
a
violation
of
the
vacation.
Rental
ordinance,
as
those
were
two
separate,
would
be
two
separate
occasions,
depending
on
the
findings.
DN
Further
reviewing
the
142
calls,
we
tried
to
filter
out
as
best
as
we
could,
if
those
calls
did
pertain
to
an
actual
event
home
event.
There
were
16
calls
where
the
code
officer
mentioned
events
and
were
specifically
talking
responding
to
event.
Health's
concern
out
of
those
16
calls
two
citations
since
2017
were
issued
for
an
event
violation
and
if
I
recall
they
were
for
noise.
DN
Foreign
Council
talked
wanted
to
discuss
information
regarding
to
closures
and
attrition
attrition
with
our
vacation
rental
permit
holders.
Since
2017.,
we
took
our
our
closure
information
that
we
have
on
file
and
we're
able
to
look
into
a
nutrition
formula
and
from
our
understanding,
just
doing
research
attrition
rate.
Anything
over
20
is
really
considered.
High
average,
comparing
from
2017
to
2022,
is
at
16
percent.
More
importantly,
though,
it
seems
that
our
attrition
rate
is
declining,
which
would
mean
that
we're
we're
seeing
less
properties
exchange
hands
as
the
year
as
the
from
2017
to
2022..
DN
We
did
look
a
little
bit
more
into
closures
from
our
vacation
rental
program,
just
kind
of
like
an
overview
and
we
averagely
close
between
2017
and
2022
322
properties
a
year.
Averagely
average
property
closes
around
one
time,
but
we
did
look
at
properties
that
may
have
closed
more
than
one
time
and
if
they're,
currently
operating
or
if
they're,
currently
not
operating
on
this
table
here,
you'll
see
in
the
middle.
That's
a
review
of
properties
that
have
closed
closed
at
one
point
between
2017
and
2022
and
are
not
currently
operating.
DN
So,
for
example,
we
have
1221
properties
that
at
least
between
that
time
period
closed
one
time
and
they're
not
currently
operating
on
the
third
part
of
that
table
there.
We
reviewed
properties
that
close
that
closed
at
one
time
and
they
are
currently
operating.
So,
for
example,
we
do
have
390
properties
that
have
closed
at
least
one
time
and
are
currently
operating,
so
one
would
assume
that
if
they
closed,
they
may
have
sold
and
now
they're
on
their
second
ownership.
Additionally,
we
do
further
down.
DI
DI
Well,
while
we're
on
this,
can
you
just
explain
what
you
mean
by
they've
closed
one
time
they
closed,
stopped
being
a
vacation
rental
and
then
opened
again
what
is
actually
happening
in
this
process?
Is
it
changing
hands
to
a
new
owner?
Is
it
the
an
owner?
Closes
it,
and
then
next
year
decides
to
open
it
again.
DN
Both
it
could
be
both
we
don't
have
data
as
far
as
you
know,
did
it
sell
to
another
owner
or,
if
they've
decided,
to
close
and
decided
to
reopen.
DN
It
could
be
both
situations,
So,
like
shows
close
four
times
and
they're
CR
and
they're
currently
operating
that
can
either
be
a
fifth
owner
or
it
could
be.
The
owner
close.
The
the
one
owner
could
close
their
property
four
times
four
times
and
then
opened
up
a
fifth
time,
so
it
could
be
either
of
those
situations.
Thank.
DI
R
Council
member
course
thank
you,
while
we're
on
the
subject.
If
you
can
go
just
go
back,
one
slide
yeah,
so
obviously
a
attrition
is
going
down
a
lot.
The
big
increase
in
attrition
in
2018,
as
I
recall,
was
because
we
required
people
in
homeowners
associations
to
prove
that
actually
they
were
allowed
to
rent
short-term
and
a
whole.
We
had
hundreds
of
those
that
were
not
allowed
under
their
HOA
bylaws,
who
are
renting,
so
they
didn't
renew.
DJ
R
DN
And
we
did
look
further
into
contract
summary.
Currently,
this
was
ran
a
couple
weeks
ago
here
in
November,
particularly,
we
wanted
to
highlight
contract
number
of
contracts.
24
did
not
highlight
blue,
but
25
26
and
27
did
what
this
does
show.
The
whole
table
shows
for
years,
2019
2020
through
2022
number
of
contracts
submitted
by
property.
So,
for
example,
if
we
look
at
2022
on
the
far
right
side
of
the
table,
number
of
contract
25,
that
means
under
2022
we've
had
74
properties
submit
at
least
25
contracts
for
the
year
of
2022.
DN
and
the
rest
of
the
table
follows
suit,
which
we've
had
61
properties,
submit
26
contracts
and
74
properties
submit
27
contracts.
However,
you
can
see
too
that
both
from
2019
all
the
way
to
2022
there
is
a
large
number
that
submit
just
one
contract
summaries,
for
example
2019.
So
it's
190
properties
did
one
2020.
DN
did
it
was
227
that
just
showed
one
and
so
forth
all
up
to
2022
with
230..
So
we
did
want
to
present
that
and
just
kind
of
give
a
breakdown
of
buy
contract
from
1
to
36.
DN
And
this
is
really
from
the
table
just
into
a
graph
just
for
visual
aid,
and
you
could
do
see
that
there's
a
big
drop
off
from
contracts,
one
and
two
three
all
the
way
down
to
the
average
going
from
10
on.
DN
I
believe,
lastly,
we
did
want
to
compare
contract
summaries
to
transient
occupancy
tax.
We
put
our
contract
summaries
into
a
fiscal
year
format
to
match
how
our
tot
is
reported,
and
so
you
can
see
that
not
really
saying
if
it's
a
causation
or
related.
But
you
know
the
contract
summary
line,
just
kind
of
follow
with
the
tot
pattern,
from
revenues
from
tot
to
contract.
Summary
submissions.
DN
And
that
does
end
our
quick
presentation.
G
Can
I
interrupt
if
I
can?
Yes,
I
just
I've
done
this
in
the
past,
but
I
want
to
talk
to
the
City
attorney,
very
quick
about
recusal
or
non-recusal
of
my
participation
in
this
just
to
again
put
it
on
the
record
I
own,
a
home
share,
which
means
I,
rent
a
room
out
in
my
home
on
a
short-term
basis
and
part
of
the
ordinance
5.2
5.078
is
home
shares,
but
that
part's
not
being
changed,
am
I
able
to
participate
in
this
discussion.
A
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
question
I
believe
one
of
the
recommendations
that
we
had
called
for
an
elimination
of
the
walk-up
curb
service
for
trash
when
it
comes
to
home,
shares
and
I.
Think
that's
a
fairly
modest
change
in
this.
But
I
would
not
want
council
member
Woods
to
inadvertently
find
himself
being
alleged
to
have
acted
on
something
he's
trying
not
very
hard
not
to
act
on
there.
H
There
is
a
a
brief
mention
of
that
as
a
possible
discussion
and
Direction
item
in
the
staff
report.
It's
not
actually
in
the
text
of
the
proposed
ordinance,
but
if
the
council
gets
to
those
discussion
items
and
starts
providing
direction
or
discussing
we'll
remember
to
ask
him
to
recuse
from
that
discussion.
All.
A
So
we
have
a
number
of
things
to
to
talk
about
this
evening
and
I
would
like
to
suggest
to
my
colleagues
that
we
begin
with
are
questions
that
we
have
of
staff
and
then
open
it
up
for
each
one
of
us
to
make
any
kind
of
preliminary
statement
that
we
might
want
to
make
on
in
Broad
Strokes.
A
Regarding
this
and
then
at
that
point
we
very
rigorously
stay
focused
on
the
nine
points
that
the
City
attorney
has
raised,
and
we
deal
with
just
those
one
at
a
time
and
stay
again
on
agenda
on
focus
with
each
one
of
those
and
then
at
the
end
we
can
come
back
and
each
one
of
us
offer
any
additional
comments
and
I
I
see
a
couple
of
heads
shaking
all
right.
Then
we
will
do
that.
So
let
us
begin
with
what
questions
any
of
us
may
have
for
staff.
A
And
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
and
City
attorney.
One
of
the
issues
that
we've
raised
is
the
idea
that
there
would
be
a
residency
requirement
for
some
period
of
time
during
the
course
of
the
Year
and
that
there
would
be
an
attestation
that
individuals
would
make
on
an
annual
basis
saying
that
they
had
met
that
requirement.
A
And
then
it
currently,
when
there
are
allegations
that
someone
has
violated
vacation
rental
ordinance,
it
goes
to
the
administrative
appeals
board
for
a
final
determination
based
on
staff
reports
and
in
investigations.
That
would
take
statements
from
all
sides.
Is
that
correct
correct?
So
what
we're
not
talking
about
is
folk.
Anyone
in
Code
Enforcement
going
out
and
checking
whether
or
not
somebody's
in
Residence
at
any
at
any
time
all
right.
Definitely.
Thank
you,
council
member
course
great.
R
I'll
limit
this
to
very
specific
questions.
Mayor
at
your
request.
So
first
is
when
you
went
through.
You
know.
You
mentioned
a
sort
of
a
new
provision
for
failing
to
pay
tot
and
I
did
get
some
questions.
R
R
My
sense
was
that
it
was
really
meant,
for
you
know,
people
who
are
not
following
the
rules
right
and
submitting
tot
whether
they
collect
it
or
not,
and
not
also
not
reporting
those
contracts
but
I.
Think
as
when
we
get
to
that
issue
just
want
to
think
about
I
think
we
need
to
be
much
more
specific
on
what
that
means.
H
We
can
right
now
the
the
the
proposed
ordinance
provides
that
any
violation
of
our
tot
chapter
that
would
involve
maybe
not
even
have
a
having
a
tot
certificate
or
not
paying
any
amount
or
paying
less
than
the
required
amount,
as
determined
by
an
audit
as
I
read
this
proposed
language
that
all
of
that
would
be
included.
So
if
the
council
wants
to
make
it
more
narrow,
you
certainly
have
that
prerogative.
So.
R
Even
if
someone
was
late
by
two
days-
technically-
yes,
okay,
that
would
have
gotten
me
in
trouble
10
years
ago,
but
putting
that
aside,
I
think
we
had
a
fine
for
once,
so
just
yeah
I
will
bring
that
up.
The
second
was
you
mentioned
the
event
house
thing
so
just
to
clarify
that
for
some
folks,
as
the
City
attorney
said,
the
vacation
rental
ordinance
says
you
can't
have
more
than
four
people
beyond
the
two
per
bedroom
at
any
point.
Obviously,
events
have
a
lot
more
than
that.
R
A
different
department
who
gives
event
permits
was
giving
event
permits.
At
the
same
time,
hazards
are
used
by
vacation.
Rentals
I
think
whether
that
should
or
shouldn't
have
happened
is
irrelevant.
I
think
we
should
really
discuss
what
we
want
moving
forward,
but
just
to
explain
what
you,
the
City
attorney,
was
referring
to
right
I,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
as
well.
Is
that
a
fair
representation?
Yes,
okay?
Okay,
thank
you.
DI
AZ
DI
DN
DI
DI
DN
DN
DI
DI
DI
G
Sure,
thank
you.
The
first
one
is
to
the
City
attorney.
You
talked
about
grandfathering
and
the
grandfather
and
is
in
the
staff
report,
but
I
was
trying
to
see
where
it
was
in.
The
ordinance
am
I.
DK
H
On
page
26,
we
deal
with
the
issue
of
the
number
of
contracts
per
year
in
subdivision,
w
ow,
okay,.
G
Maybe
no
no
I
was
looking
at
the
grandfathering
that
we
talked
about
that.
You
talk
about
in
the
staff
report,
yeah.
H
Those
are
those
are
the
sections
where
we,
where
we
provide
that
those
those
those
numbers
would
change
after
two
years
in
five
years,
respectively.
G
Okay,
it
so
it's
really
I
triple
I
at
the
very
bottom,
correct,
okay,
great
and
for
staff.
G
Thanks
for
all
your
work,
I
know
you've
been
under
a
lot
of
pressure
to
get
this
done,
but
you
know
we
to
make
some
of
these
decisions.
I
think
some
of
the
first
two
meetings
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
data
on
like
the
number
of
Apartments.
We
had
how
many
condos
there
were,
how
many
condos
allowed
vacation
rentals.
How
many
did
not
and
if
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
percentages,
did
we
get
that
data.
G
R
I
think
just
if
I
can
weigh
in
currently
the
way
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
months
has
been
based
on
the
total
number
of
residential
units,
which
includes
apartments,
condos
and
single-family
homes,
which
numbers
we
do
have
the
way
the
ordinances
worded
was
hoping.
We
might
have
more
neighborhood
data
to
look
at,
but
we
don't
so
I
think
what
the
City
attorney
had
said
earlier
was.
R
We
would
probably
do
it
based
on
the
way
we've
been
discussing
it
for
the
last
several
months
and
later
the
council
could,
when
that
data
is
available,
change
change
it
more
per
neighborhood
specifics.
G
Number
of
housing
units
versus
single
family
homes
are
two
different
things
correct.
So
you
know
it
really
is.
Is
it
20
of
the
eligible
properties
that
can
have
a
vacation
rental
or
is
it
you
know,
because
there's
a
difference
between
the
total
number
that
can
have
a
vacation
rental
that
are,
you
know
that
are
eligible
and
those
that
are
not
and
I
don't
know,
as
we
have
that
distinguishing
number
yet.
R
I
think
the
data
we've
been
looking
at
throughout
this
is
the
total
number
of
housing
units,
not
just
the
ones
that
are
eligible
right.
The
ordinance
change
that,
but
that
was
what
we
hadn't
been
discussing
previously-
was
the
total
number
of
housing
units
I,
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question,
but.
G
Well,
it
does
I
think
that
I
asked
and
I
even
called
afterwards,
and
we
took
questions
that
that
data
to
me
was
very
important
and-
and
let
me
ask
the
next
question,
then:
why
is
density
in
a
particular
neighborhood,
an
issue.
CL
DM
Okay,
the
main
kind
we
received
is
that
the
Earth
neighborhoods
there
are
certain
homes
that
feel
that
they
are
surrounded
by
vacation
rentals.
So
the
density
is
really
heavy
in
some
neighborhoods,
as
opposed
to
others.
So
that
is
why
it
became
an
issue
and
that's
why
it
was
addressed
by
the
work
group.
DM
G
All
right,
thank
you.
G
In
regards
to
event
houses,
just
so
we're
all
clear
on
this,
you
know
this
is
vacation
rentals.
This
is
the
ordinance
we're
looking
at
and
event.
Houses
are
through
a
planning,
a
land
use.
Is
that
correct,
yes,
and
do
they
have
when
they
get
when
an
event
house
has
an
event
they
need
to
apply
for
a
permit?
Is
that
correct
through
planning?
Yes,.
DN
Councilmember,
so
if
there
was
a
special
event
permit
on
file
for
that
specific
event,
we
would
not
enforce
the
vacation
rental
ordinance.
We
would
have.
We
would
enforce
the
limitations
on
the
special
event
permit.
G
DN
Well,
if
they
call
the
vacation
rental
hotline
that-
and
it
was
a
registered
vacation
rental,
our
code
officers
would
respond
to
that
because
it's
listed
as
a
vacation
rental.
What
would
happen
is
the
code
officer
would
go
to
that
property
and
most
likely
talk
to
the
event
manager,
that's
there
and
then
then
determined
that
there
was
a
special
event
permit
on
file
and
then
discuss
appropriately.
What
actions
are
needed
next.
G
DN
G
Right
and
under
under
vacation
rentals,
if
you
have
so
many
citations,
you
know
there
are
consequences
to
that
that
are
outlined
in
the
code.
What
about
event
houses?
If
you
have
three
complaints
in
a
year,
do
we
have
any
regulations
that
say
the
event
house
is
closed
down
for
90
days
or
a
year
or
two
years
or
whatever.
DN
G
DK
Thanks
for
the
question
so
a
registered
event
house,
there
is
a
condition
that
we
can
revoke
their
registration
or
the
permit
at
any
point
in
time,
if
they're
found
to
be
in
non-compliance,
so
I
don't
know
that
it's
listed
in
the
same
way
with
a
sort
of
number
limited
to
that.
But
we
do
have
the
ability
to
to
withdraw
that.
If
there
are
issues
thanks.
DK
The
overall
license
for
the
so
so
there's
two
things
that
happen
with
an
event
house.
First,
an
event
house
has
to
like
register
and
receive
a
license
as
an
event
house.
In
order
to
host
events,
then
each
individual
event
also
comes
in
and
seeks
an
event
permit.
So
we
can
revoke
the
permit
for
the
event
itself.
But
of
course,
at
that
point
it's
already
happening.
So
that's
a
little
more
challenging
or
we
can
revoke
the
license
itself
and.
G
In
revoking
the
license
itself,
do
we
have
criteria
and
how
we
revoke,
or
does
it
need
to
go
to
a
hearing
or
does
it
go
to?
Where
does
it
go.
DO
Go
ahead
and
jump
in
and
respond
to
that
question,
so
there
is
specific
language
in
the
event
house,
ordinance
relative
to
the
basis
for
revoking
a
permit,
and
the
process
for
that
is
it
is
the
revocation
is
approved
by
the
city
manager,
and
so
that's
the
process
in
the
ordinance
for
revocation
of
an
event
house
permit.
G
G
So,
right
and
and
the
criteria
is
kind
of
we
don't
have
direct
criteria
on
that,
like
we
do
with
vacation
records.
DO
No,
it's
not
as
specific
as
the
vacation
rental
ordinance,
but
things
such
as
violations
of
noise,
trash
vehicle
parking
things
like
that
or
a
basis
for
revocation
of
a
permit.
G
Thanks
and
this
question
is
for
the
City
attorney
I
sent,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
you
got
it,
I
sent
it
late
in
the
day.
What
La
requires
for
residency
to
have
a
vacation
rental
permit,
and
you
know,
and
I
did
get
a
chance
to
Wade
through
the
whole
thing,
but
then
we
also
have
case
law
of
not
not
really
a
requiring
people
to
have
it
as
their
permanent
residence.
I.
Think
La
requires
it
to
be
your
permanent
residence.
If
you
want
to
talk
to
that
just
a
little
bit.
H
Yeah
and
I
did
look
at
La
County's
ordinance
after
you
sent
that
to
me
this
afternoon.
It's
a
little
bit
unclear
whether
they
actually
require
residency.
The
way
New
Orleans
did
in
their
case
or
if
they
just
require
you
to
live,
stay
there
for
a
certain
number
of
days.
They
have
two
sentences
and
they're
they're.
You
know,
arguably
inconsistent
or
ambiguous.
Our
ordinance
as
proposed,
doesn't
require
you
to
the
property
owner
to
to
maintain
the
property
as
their
primary
residence.
The
way
the
New
Orleans
ordinance
did,
which
was
struck
down
in
that
case.
H
Instead,
our
ordinance
simply
says
you
need
to
stay
there.
A
certain
number
of
days,
which
is
technically
under
the
law
different
from
having
it
as
your
primary
residence.
So
I
believe
that,
as
drafted
as
proposed,
this
ordinance
would
would
sustain
a
legal
challenge,
I
think
moving
toward
what
Louisiana
did
and
and
depending
on
how
L.A
County
administers
and
enforces
their
ordinance
that
that
could
be
subject
to
challenge
as
well.
I
believe
L.A
County's
ordinance
was
drafted
before
the
New
Orleans
case,
which
just
came
down
in
August
of
this
year.
G
G
Process
by
which
we
would
verify
that
we
have
no
other
way
to
verify
that
correct
all
right
and
then
on
the
the
partner
situation
of
people
who
are
married
or
in
a
domestic
partnership
right.
DN
Yes,
when
one
does
apply,
we
do
ask
for
ownership
information
both
on
the
application
and
they
do
complete
an
ownership
form
to
list
all
applicable
owners
to
that
property,
and
we
do
compare
that
list
to
any
other
vacation
applications
or
current
vacation
rentals
in
our
database,
foreign.
G
So
if
somebody
is
married
but
they're
not
telling
you
they're
married
right,
they
we
don't
have
a
way
to
verify
it.
Is
that
what
I'm
understanding.
DN
DN
As
you
know,
one
person
and
another
person
as
a
married
couple
own
this
property
or
so
forth.
So
they
do
look
at
deed
information.
Title
information
to
understand
the
ownership
infra
scenario
in
each
application.
G
Okay,
I
just
for
me,
the
reason
I
asked
that
is
I,
don't
want
to
put
things
on
the
books
that
we
can't
enforce.
You
know
that
are
or
that
that
encourage
people
to
lie
to
do
what
they
want
to
do.
We
got
this
none
of
this
new
ordinance
just
so
that
I'm
clear,
is
putting
an
overall
cap
of
vacation
rentals
on
the
city.
Is
that
correct,
correct
right?
So
it's
just
a
potential
for
a
neighborhood
percentage
cap,
correct
based
on
right,
okay,
one
ps's
neighborhoods
or
the
cities,
the
city's
neighborhoods?
Okay.
G
Thank
you
for
indulging
me
a
little
bit.
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions.
A
lot
of
people
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
all
of
it
did
we
do
I
know
that
there
is
an
issue
with
reducing
the
number
of.
G
The
number
of
contracts
you
can
have
a
year
and
just
for
everyone's
edification,
can
you
tell
us
how
we're
stepping
how
this
proposed
ordinance
wants
to
step
that
process
in.
H
So
the
ordinance
as
drafted
would
allow
existing
permittees
to
continuing
continue
having
36
contracts
per
year
until
December
31st
2024.
H
CX
G
And
for
staff,
have
we
done
any
sort
of
analysis
on
what
that
means,
and
does
it
get
us
to
the
point
of
what
I
mean?
What
are
we
trying
to
achieve
by
reducing
the
contracts.
DN
Well,
we
have
reviewed
contract
summaries
as
currently
as
far
as
how
many
contracts
are
being
used
per
property
between
the
1
and
36
contracts.
You
know
reducing
it
down
to
the
24.
DN
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
I
could
speak
to
about
the
reason
to
go
down
to
24
other
than
to
maybe
a
support
more
in
ancillary
use,
but
from
the
contract
summary
data
you
know
we've
seen
from
you
know
our
past
Council
meetings
and
study
sessions
is
that
there's
a
large
population
of
contract
summaries
that
seem
to
be
more
used
between
the
one
and
the
12
contract.
DN
DN
wait,
I'm,
sorry,
the
130
between
1
and
36.
The
primary
submissions
are
between
at
least
one
and
twelve
contracts
per
property
a
year.
G
DN
That's
correct:
they
don't
have
the
presentation
that
I
provided
in
previous
sessions,
but
from
what
we
see
like
from
what
I
presented
today
during
the
the
opening
of
the
session
just
to
hear
in
2022.
DN
You
know
there
are
230
properties
that
submitted
just
one
contract
summary
and
followed
by
89.67.
So
a
lot
of
that
a
lot
of
the
contract
summaries
we
see
submitted
are
you
know
between
like
I,
said
one
and
twelve.
It
does
start
to
Tamper
down
a
little,
but,
as
I
could
say,
is
that
you
I'm
looking
at
number
of
contracts
for
18,
so
there
was
92
properties,
so
I
believe
you
know
in
the
past.
DN
G
And
do
we
know
from
that
data
because
they
have
to
submit
contract
summaries?
What's
the
length
of
stay?
Do
we
know
what
the
length
of
stay
is
for
like
for
long
for.
DN
G
DN
G
So
if
that's
the
average
right
that
we're
having
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
run
anywhere
near
even
the
one
we're
proposing
in
the
ordinance
or
the
one
that's
been
proposed
in
the
ordinance,
why
are
we
changing
it?
Is
it
a
problem.
DM
CX
A
Councilmember
Woods
are
these
questions
for
staff
or
they
commentary
that
you
want
to
engage.
G
In
for
staff,
I
want
to
understand
completely
what
we're
doing
here
and
it's
very
obviously
it's
a
very
hot
issue.
Right
now,
and
you
know
we're
just
really
trying
I'm
really
trying
to
understand
and
making
an
informed
decision
what
we're
doing
and
why
we're
doing
it
and
where
the
problem
might
exist.
G
And
so
you
know
we
can
talk
to
the
council
members
later.
But
I
want
to
hear
from
staff's
perspective
with
the
numbers.
If
there's
a
problem.
G
Or
if
staff
is
just
taking
direction
from
council
members,
you
know
I,
don't
know.
What's
yeah
I'd
like
to
know
yeah.
E
The
City
staff
was
directed
to
work
with
a
work
group
and
look
at
the
ordinance
in
any
particular
changes
that
might
be
recommended
to
create
a
balance
between
the
industry
and
neighborhoods
and
I.
Think,
as
staff
has
previously
stated
that
one
of
the
conflicts
was
that
some
neighborhoods
feel
that
there's
a
very
high
density
of
vacation,
rentals
that
impacts
the
quality
of
life
in
their
neighborhoods.
So
that
is
why
we're
having
this
discussion.
G
Right,
thank
you.
I
totally,
get
that
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
the
number
of
contracts
from
the
statistics
that
just
provided
to
us
is
not
a
problem.
It
sounds
like
the
majority
of
contracts
are
nowhere
near
caps
that
we're
proposing,
but
yet
I
heard
from
the
testimony
the
lengthy
testimony
that
people
didn't
want
cap,
so
there's
a
disconnect
that
obviously
people
don't
want
caps
right
on
the
number
of
vacation
rentals.
They
can
have
per
year
contracts
they
can
have
per
year.
G
R
I
think
they
brought
back
what
we'll
ask
them,
although
we
said
we
want
flexibility
numbers
all
four
of
us
ask
them
at
prior
meetings,
so
I
think
that's
a
policy
discussion
for
us
to
have
and
not
staff
doesn't
make
these
decisions.
We
do
so
I
think
that's
part
of
our
conversation.
Councilmember
Woods,
okay,
not
not
staffs,.
R
What
I'm
trying
to
understand?
So,
if
you
look
at
the
contracts,
I
think
you
did
the
math
in
2019
before
covid,
there
were
23
homes
that
rented
more
than
20
25
or
more
times
and
during
covet
that
increased
in
2020.
Thank
you,
councilman
to
502
Holmes.
R
Did
it
2021
that
went
up
to
781
homes,
so
you're
talking
at
least
they're
about
what
30
percent
ish
of
the
homes
we're
now
renting
more
than
that,
and
then
this
year
the
numbers
gone
down,
but
we
still
have
six
weeks
left
to
515.,
so
we
saw
a
big
increase
during
covid
as
we
can
see
in
TOT
and
what
people
are
charging.
G
R
If
you're
allowed
to
have
a
financial
interest
in
one
and
it's
supposed
to
be
a
secondary
use,
I
think
you
explained
that
if
you're
married
in
a
domestic
partnership-
and
you
each
have
one-
then
that's
not-
you
have
a
financial
interest
in
two.
As
far
as
proof
sure
we
could
ask
for
domestic
partnership
or
marriage
certificate.
R
I
can
tell
you
the
only
time
I've
been
asked
for
that
in
counting
how
many
years
this
has
been
16
years
of
being
in
a
domestic
partnership
until
we
can
get
married
and
a
marriage,
the
only
time
I've
ever
been
asked
for
it
has
been
when
applying
for
a
mortgage,
doing
the
escrow
documents
so
yet
I
think
several
of
us
have
health
insurance
through
the
city
and
I
wasn't
asked
for
proof
that
I
was
married,
so
I
think
you
know,
people
lie
in
their
taxes
too.
I
mean
at
some
point.
R
You
you
make
the
rules
and
you
can
ask
for
more
documentation
if
you
want,
but
you
know
some
people
are
still
not
going
to
be
honest.
So
that's
that's
a
decision
we
can
make
if
we
want
more
documentation,
because
that's
an
easy
documentation
for
someone
to
provide
I
think
right
from
City
attorney.
I
think
that
that
is
that
and
on
event
houses
and
we're
not
considering
the
event
house
ordinance
at
the
moment.
Just
it's
interplay
with
vacation
rentals.
Just
so
we're
clear
on
that.
R
R
And
then
for
staff,
because
I
had
asked
this
I
know
it's
not
in
the
presentation,
but
I
think
there
were
five
houses
that
applied
for
event
permits
in
this
calendar
year.
Is
that
correct.
R
Okay,
so
looking
at
that
list
and
knowing
most
of
those
houses
I
know
of
other
houses
that
are
doing,
events
for
compensation
and
I've
had
some
owners
tell
me
they
were
told
by
the
manager
that,
as
long
as
they
were
on
site
for
part
of
it,
they
don't
need
to
get
an
event
permit.
Is
that
accurate,
if
they're
getting
paid
for
the
house.
DM
H
The
fact
that
the
owner
happens
to
be
there
doesn't
remove
it
from
the
requirements
of
an
event
house
if
it
otherwise
qualifies
as
an
event
house.
In
other
words,
if
if
compensation
is
being
paid,
I
think
that
there
might
have
been
some
confusion
in
the
sense
that
oftentimes
when
the
owner
is
there.
That
means
it's
just
a
birthday
party
or
a
holiday
party.
CX
R
I
know
some
someone
shared
with
the
internet
house
and
they
were
told
by
the
manager
that,
as
long
as
they're
on
the
premises,
even
if
it's
a
wedding
of
a
stranger,
they
don't
have
to
do
any
permit,
and
so
that
creates
somewhat
of
a
bad
name
for
the
people.
Who
actually
do
it
the
right
way
and
manage
it
the
right
way.
So
I
just
think
we
maybe
there's
some
education
needed
there
on
a
on
a
separate
issue,
but
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
clear,
that
that
is
not
the
case.
R
A
I
had
one,
although
my
colleagues
seem
to
have
already
answered
it
for
me,
but
I
would
like
to
go
to
slide
number
eight.
If
we
could.
A
Or
maybe
well
it
says
3A
there
we
are
that's
the
slide,
I'm
looking
for
so
just
there's
a
lot
of
data
here,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
it
a
little
bit
slowly.
The
years
is
this
calendar
year
or
fiscal
year.
This
would
be
calendar
year
calendar
year,
okay,
so
in
when
I'm
looking
at
number
of
contracts-
and
let's
just
start
right
at
the
very
beginning
when
it
says
one
contract
and
in
2019
it
says
190.
That
means
there
are
190
properties
that
only
had
one
contract.
Is
that
correct
that.
A
So
there's
some
some
change
over
the
course
of
those
four
years,
but
not
not
what
I
would
call
significant
amount
of
change,
particularly
if
you
take
an
ad
contracts,
one
and
two
together.
Those
are
those
are
relatively
even
over
the
course
of
time
when
you
get
down
to
2019
and
looking
at
the
number
of
contracts
between
28
and
36..
A
That
looks
like
an
ex
a
very
small
number
of
contracts,
and
somebody
else
did
the
math
for
me.
Thank
you,
23
as
we
move
to
2020.
That
number
then
moves
up
of
28
to
36,
to
502
properties
and
by
the
time
we
get
to
2021
we're
at
781
properties.
So
there
does
seem
to
have
been
a
very
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
properties
that
are
renting
out
at
28.
To
36.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
A
A
Today:
okay,
thank
you,
so
that
did
start
to
go
down
back
a
little
bit
all
right.
So
I
don't
want
to
comment
now,
but
I
think
that
does
show
that
there
has
been
within
the
last
few
years
a
significant
amount
of
change
in
the
number
of
properties
that
have
the
28
to
36
contracts.
R
No
just
on
before
we
go
through
each
one,
I
think
there
may
be
some
sort
of
broad
comments,
given
some
of
the
comments
made
and
some
information
I
think
that
we
might
want
to
each
share
before
we
get
into
going
through
each
one.
A
R
Look
you're
looking
at
me,
so
sure
yeah,
one
thing
I
want
to
say
because
since
we've
been
in
these
from
the
various
meetings
since
March
from
some
of
the
comments
tonight,
the
last
couple
meetings
and
from
many
of
the
emails
I
received
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
their
vacation,
rentals
as
a
business
and
so
I
just
want
to
like
the
vacation
rental
ordinance,
that's
been
in
effect
since
2017
starts
out
and
I
just
want
to
read
the
first
paragraph
because
I
think
it's.
R
It
is
one
of
the
reasons
we're
having
these
discussions
right.
The
primary
use
of
single
family
and
multi-family
dwelling
units
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
is
a
provision
of
permanent
housing
for
full-time
and
part-time
residents
of
the
city
who
live
in
our
work
in
the
city.
Vacation
rentals
are
not
uses
specifically
recognized
in
the
city's
own
ordinance,
or
are
these
uses
expressly
identified
as
uses
permitted
in
single-family
and
multi-family
zones?
R
Vacation
rentals
are
similar
in
character
and
use
as
hotels
and
other
commercial
short-term
uses,
and
can
only
only
be
permitted
in
single-family
and
multi-family
homes
if
such
uses
are
ancillary
and
secondary
to
the
residential
use
of
the
property.
This
ordinance
confirms
that
vacation
rentals
are
estillary
and
secondary
uses
of
residential
property
in
the
city.
R
Businesses
are
not
allowed
in
residential,
neighborhoods
and
I
think
what
has
happened,
which
has
led
to
some
of
this,
especially
during
covid,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
people
who
have
reached
out
who
bought
houses
during
covid,
bought
them
as
businesses
and
are
operating
them
as
businesses,
who
don't
spend
any
time
in
the
home.
That's
not
everyone,
that's
I,
don't
think
the
most,
but
that
is
happening
right
and
everyone,
including
the
Realtors
board
and
vacation
rental
owners.
Network,
wanted
that
language
in
the
ordinance
because
it
put
it
at
severe
risk
of
being
thrown
out.
R
So
that's
what
we
promised
people
in
2017..
These
were
going
to
be
people's
part-time
or
full-time
residences
that
were
being
used.
Some
of
the
time
to
one
provide
another
opportunity
for
people
who
want
to
come
on
vacation
here,
and
many
of
us
have
done
that
and
also
tell
people
offset
some
of
their
costs,
who
are
living
here,
full
or
part-time.
So
that's
very
clear
in
the
ordinance
and
that's
been
that
way.
That's
nothing
new,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
in
context
sort
of
on
the
broader
sense.
R
The
working
group
looked
at
a
couple
issues
and
they
recommended
a
cap
of
2500,
which
is
probably
about
400,
less
than
will
include
the
pending
permits,
and
we
already
have
and
a
10
percent
neighborhood
cap
which
would
limit
vacation
rentals
significantly.
And
if
you
look
at
you
know
a
seven
or
eight
percent,
attrition
rate
we'd
have
several
years
where
new
buyers
or
people
who
have
a
change
in
life
circumstances,
as
many
people
talked
about,
understandably,
would
not
be
able
to
get
a
permit.
R
That
was
supported
by
v-ron,
which
represents
more
than
half
the
vacation
rentals.
They
wanted
20
on
the
neighborhood,
not
10,
but
they
wanted
a
total
cap.
A
total
cap
would
also
have
a
dramatic
effect
on
tot
compared
to
allowing
more
people
to
have
the
same
right
that
everyone
else
has
and
I,
don't
think
they
did.
R
Any
I
didn't
get
any
research
from
them
on
what
that
impact
would
be
so
I
just
want
a
little
consistency
and
just
some
transparency
on
those
issues,
as
we
look
at
this,
but
the
complaints
I
hear
are
when
people
have,
if
you're
doing,
36
rentals,
you're
renting
it
out
at
least
70
percent
of
all
the
weekends
and,
if
you're
full-time,
especially
if
you're
a
part-time
homeowner
who
doesn't
have
vacation
rental,
and
you
have
two
of
those
next
to
you,
and
instead
of
two
one
or
two
people
in
a
four
bedroom
house,
you
have
10
or
12.,
even
though
they're
not
violating
the
noise
ordinance
when
people
are
at
the
pool
all
day
and
people
come
home
from
the
bars
at
two
in
the
morning,
go
in
the
hot
tub
and
pull
or
talking
and
drinking
outside.
R
Four
now
who
are
Banning
them
entirely
and
come
up
with
something
that
balances
the
interests
of
the
vacation,
rental,
industry
and
businesses,
but
also
our
residents
and
how
they're
living
their
life
you
know,
and
in
some
neighborhoods,
when
the
houses
are
close
together
and
you
are
going
to
work
at
seven
or
eight
in
the
morning
you
have
kids
going
to
school
on
a
Monday
and
there
are
people
in
the
hot
tub
and
pool
at
two
in
the
morning.
It
has
an
impact
and
it
doesn't
violate
our
ordinance.
Some
cities
have
done
10
p.m.
R
Silence
outside
of
vacation,
rentals
I,
don't
like
that
idea.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
find
a
balance
that
achieves
what
this
ordinance
says,
which
is
this
is
a
secondary
use
and
do
it
in
a
way
that
doesn't
result
in
neighborhoods
that
are
now
40
percent
of
vacation
rentals,
because
that
impacts
people
so
we'll
get
into
the
specifics,
because
I
have
issues
with
caps,
but
I
do
think
to
the
extent
we
can.
Everyone
should
ultimately
have
the
same
rights
just
because
you
have
a
permit,
pre-17,
didn't
stop
it
and
a
lot
of
the
people.
R
Some
of
the
people
testified
said
when
we
passed
the
17
ordinance,
it
was
going
to
be
the
end
of
the
world
and
the
industry
would
collapse
and
we're
seeing
tot
double
from
what
it
was
then
so,
but
that's
that's
the
issues
I
I
feel
we're
trying
to
solve,
and
the
last
issue
I
think
we're
trying
to
solve
is
when
you
add,
when
you
go
from
1700
to
2900,
vacation
rental
homes
and
the
contract
numbers
then
go
through
the
roof.
R
We
heard
a
lot
of
people
say:
that's
really
increased
the
value
of
property
here
right
homes
that
were
you
know
in
neighborhoods
selling
for
500
000
are
selling
well
over
a
million
and
a
lot
of
the
people
we
heard
concerns
about
who
work
here
can
no
longer
afford
to
live
here
so
that
cuts
both
ways.
You
know
it's
sort
of
hard
to
argue
both
sides
of
that
I
appreciate
with
house
cleaners,
if
they're
doing
36
rentals
and
so
that's
70
homes,
they're
cleaning
it
36
times
instead
of
I.
R
Think
most
people
I
know
have
their
house
clean,
who
don't
have
vacation
rentals
26
times,
but
the
landscape
from
the
whole
people
they're
there
in
equal
number
of
times,
if
it's
a
vacation
rental
or
if
it's
not
a
vacation
rental,
if
the
pool
people
aren't
coming
regularly,
your
pool
is
going
to
bloom
in
three
weeks
and
so
I.
Just
I
appreciate
provides
a
lot
of
jobs,
but
if
we
did
the
2500
cap,
we'd
really
be
impacting
those
jobs,
I
think
more
than
allowing
everyone
to
do
it
for
fewer
contracts.
G
Certainly
hold
on.
Let
me
turn
on
my
thing
here.
G
You
know.
Thank
you,
councilmember.
Of
course
you
know
I
agree,
I,
don't
disagree
with
you
at
all
and
I
think
we
want
them.
I!
Think
out
of
the
gate
when
we
first
started
this
process
is
that
it's
an
ancillary
use
and
I
use
the
example
of
a
lot
of
people
buying
just
to
rent
them
out
as
a
business
which
turns
it
turns
residential
neighborhoods
into
a
commercial
District
right
I.
G
I
agree,
quality
of
life
when
somebody
uses
the
hot
tub
at
at
you
know
at
two
in
the
morning
can
be
very
disconcerting
for
the
type
of
residence
we
have
if
I
was
on
Fire
Island
and
somebody
was
using
the
hot
tub
of
the
morning,
I'd
knock
out
the
door
and
say:
can
I
join
you,
but
I
don't
know,
as
we
have
that
kind
of
clientele
or
residence
here
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
G
So
I
don't
disagree,
I,
don't
disagree
we'll
get
in
the
nitty-gritty
of
how
to
do
it,
and
but
I
do
want
and
I
was
reading
the
staff
report
as
well
as
about
some
of
the
data
and
I'm
willing
to
go
through
it.
So
thank
you.
DD
A
Me
add
a
couple
of
General
comments.
First,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone.
Who's
been
involved
in
this
process,
all
of
the
folks
that
were
involved
in
the
work
group,
the
staff
for
an
incredible
amount
of
information
and
work
that
that
you
have
put
together
the
individuals
that
are
neighbors
of
vacation
rentals
across
the
city,
who
many
of
whom
really
struggle
with
the
number
of
homes
that
are
in
their
neighborhoods
that
are
vacation,
rentals
and
all
of
the
individuals
within
the
vacation
rental
industry.
A
One
of
the
things
that
was
very
evident
from
the
testimony
that
we
received
this
evening
is
how
many
people
have
come
forward
in
the
last
number
of
years
and
truly
put
their
heart
and
soul
into
the
homes
that
they've
purchased
in
the
remodeling
that
they
are
doing
of
those
homes,
and
that
is
very
deserving
of
our
appreciation
and
our
thanks.
A
This
is
hard
work.
Getting
these
ordinances
correct
is
something
that
takes
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
it
matters
in
our
community.
We
have
been
a
Hospitality
oriented
Community
for
as
long
as
we
have
been
a
community
and
there's
every
reason
to
believe
that
we
will
continue
to
be
so.
A
A
And
my
answer
then
was
we
are
both
if
we
get
the
balance
right,
my
answer
has
not
changed.
Five
years
later,
we
are
both,
but
only
if
we
get
the
balance
right.
What
we
are
trying
to
do
here
is
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
get
the
balance
right
as
I.
Listen
to
some
of
the
comments
tonight
regarding
what
we're
trying
to
do.
I
found
myself
making
a
little
note
that
says
what
is
modest
change
to
some
individuals
as
Draconian
change
to
others.
A
Yet
we're
both
frequently
describing
the
same
amount
of
change,
so
I
know
perspectives
matter.
I
know
that
people
are
looking
at
this
very
differently
and
I
appreciate
the
economic
impact
that
some
of
these
decisions
may
have
on
individuals.
A
I
want
to
I,
won't
single
them
out
and
embarrass
them,
but
I
really
appreciate
some
of
the
data
that
was
sent
to
me
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
Regarding
the
economics
of
running
a
vacation,
rental
and
those
economics
are
dramatically
different
depending
on
when
you
purchased
your
home
and
what
the
initial
cost
of
that
home
is.
A
This
report
here
was
produced
and
distributed
as
a
public
record
on
March
29th.
All
of
the
rest
of
the
information
I
have
up
here
is
data.
It's
a
part
of
the
public
record
and
has
been
given
to
us
by
our
exemplary
staff
over
the
course
of
the
last
six
months.
The
original
request
that
we
made
for
this
data
was
back
in
February
of
this
year.
A
We
were
very
clear
in
March
of
this
year
that
we
wanted
to
conclude
our
work
regarding
vacation
rentals
during
the
course
of
this
Council,
and
that
is
what
we
are
doing
now
there
may
there
is
for
those
of
us
who
are
in
public
administration.
A
A
We
are
approaching
a
recession
and
we
are
cognizant
of
that
and
the
last
thing
I
will
say
before
we
move
into
specifics,
is
consistently
through
this.
We
have
talked
about
phasing
this
in
and
suggested
that
for
the
vast
majority
of
vacation
rentals,
the
changes
would
not
take
place
for
another
24
months
and
we
haven't
even
decided
if
it's
going
to
be
24
months
from
the
time
that
we
dropped
down
below
1800
vacation
rentals.
A
We
are
now
approaching
by
the
time
all
of
the
contracts
that
are
in
process
are
completed
over
2
900
vacation
rentals
1800
to
2900
is
not
trying
to
kill
an
industry.
It's
trying
to
manage
an
industry
with
that.
Let's
move
into
some
of
the
specifics
and
we'll
take
them
in
the
order
that
they
were
done
in
the
staff
report,
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
to
follow
neighborhood-based
caps
based
on
vacation
rentals.
A
Let
me
start
with
that
one
and
go
first,
because
neighborhoods
are
something
I
know
a
little
bit
about.
We've
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
address
density
since
I
first
started
engaging
in
conversation
on
vacation
rentals
almost
a
decade
ago
and
I.
A
Don't
know
how
many
different
proposals
I
have
heard
to
address
the
question
of
density,
all
of
which
have
failed
to
one
degree
or
another
that
we
should
have
density
limits
by
number
of
properties
on
a
block
or
the
number
of
properties
in
two
or
three
blocks
are
the
number
of
prop
density
in
terms
of
how
many
feet
from
another
property.
A
A
Only
55
properties
are
not
in
a
registered
neighborhood
out
of
the
over
2500
that
we
currently
have
people
know
and
live
by
their
neighborhoods.
So
I
think
we've
got
a
good
approach.
The
work
group
suggested
10
based
on
household
The,
Proposal
from
those
in
v-ron,
was
that
it
was
20
percent.
A
We
have
asked
the
question:
what
about
how
many
apartments
are
in
a
neighborhood,
how
many
HOA
associations
that
data
is
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
comply,
but
at
the
time
that
we
are
able
to
comply
with
that
information,
I
would
welcome
receiving
it
looking
at
it
and
coming
back
and
revisiting
whether
or
not
the
percentage
that
we
finally
arrive
on
is
the
right
percentage
for
neighborhoods,
based
on
the
revised
data
that
we
have
regarding
how
many
properties
are
eligible,
but
we
don't
have
that
information
tonight.
A
G
Go
ahead,
I'm
still
listening
to
the
mayor,
processing,
okay,.
R
I
want
to
Echo
sort
of
the
the
challenge.
Right.
I
mean
the
real.
Ultimately,
the
issue
for
an
individual
homeowner
is
when
they're
clustered
nearby
and
I
think
we
have
heard
many
ways
to
try
and
do
that
to
try
and
address
that
and
I
think
neighborhoods
is
probably
the
best
that
we
can
come
up
to
up
with
I
think
you
know
I'm,
not
a
fan
of
caps
in
general,
because
I
want
everyone
to
have
the
same
rights,
which
is
how
we
came
up
with
a
junior
permit
idea.
R
R
You
know
I'm
comfortable
with
a
15.
If
that's
the
majority
of
council
and.
R
I
I
do
think
it's
the
best
we
can
do
trying
to
say
I
know,
there's
one
city
that
was
shared
with
me
in
Colorado
that
you
can't
have
more
than
one
immediately
next
to
you.
So
then
what
happens
on
the
other
I
mean
you
just
can
go
down
a
rabbit
hole
with
how
that
would
possibly
work
and
how
you
know
we
can
make
that
something.
People
know
when
they're
buying
a
house
versus
where
what
the
concentration
is
in
a
neighborhood
and
given
the
way
our
neighborhood
organizations
work
I
think
that's
probably
the
best
way.
R
We
can
do
it.
You
know
you
can.
Of
course
there
are
going
to
be
some
strange
outcomes.
Right,
I
live
across
the
street
from
he's
another
neighborhood
and
I
have
three
directly
across
the
street.
They
happen
to
be
run
well,
they're,
not
a
problem
for
me,
but
you
know
it's
not
gonna.
It's
not
perfect
is
my
point,
but
there
is
no
perfect
right.
So
what's
the
best
we
can
do
and
I
haven't
heard
another
suggestion,
yet
that
works
better
than
neighborhoods
but
open
to
hearing
it,
and
with
that,
it's
all
you.
DI
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
here
a
lot
from
residence
is
this
density
issue
and
it's
specifically
from
the
neighborhoods
that
have
the
high
percentage
so
Racquet
Club
Estates
Sun,
more
Twin,
Palms,
El,
Rancho,
Vista,
Estates,
El,
miradora,
Desert,
Park
Estates.
All
of
these
have
over
20
vacation
rentals
and
those
are
the
people
that
I
hear
from
when
they're,
emailing
or
they're.
Stopping
me.
Those
are
that's
the
neighborhoods
that
they
live
in.
You
don't
get
those
same
complaints
from
folks
who
live
in.
DI
For
instance,
you
know
Upper
West
Side,
which
is
only
four
percent
yeah
about
four
percent.
So
that's
really
what
we're
trying
to
adjust
here,
15
I
I,
could
go
to
20.
I,
really,
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
15,
but
at
the
same
time
everything
that
we're
doing
right
now
is
going
to
take
time
to
actually
occur.
So
the
vacation
rentals
are
at
38
in
bracket,
Club,
Estates
and
they're
going
to
stay
38
in
Rocket,
Club
Estates.
Until
people
start
to
stop
doing
vacation
rentals
there.
We
don't
know
how
long
that's
going
to
be.
DI
It
could
take
two
years.
It
could
take
five
years.
It
could
take
ten
years
how?
How
long
are
those
folks
going
to
keep
using
their
vacation
rentals
and
have
a
permit?
We
don't
know
and
I
think
that's
the
the
biggest
thing
with
all
of
these.
These
proposed
changes
is
that
they're
all
being
phased
in
so
I'm
I'm,
okay,
with
I,
think
I
prefer
20,
but
I
could
go
to
15.
G
Yeah
one
moment
thank
you,
mayor
Pro,
Tem,.
G
You
know
some
of
the
Neighbors
in
my
district,
as
the
mayor
just
said,
I
have
a
high
density
of
vacation,
rentals
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
them
are
newer
and
I
and
I
would
surmise
that.
The
reason
for
that
is,
you
could
buy
a
modestly
priced
house
and
have
a
great
return
on
investment
versus
buying
in
Vista
Las
Palmas,
which
is
going
to
cost
you
more
money,
you're
going
to
have
to
charge
more
to
have
the
same
return
on
investment.
G
My
concern
is:
is,
first
of
all
to
the
point
of
council
member
cores
of
equity.
You've
just
really
knocked
out
anybody
in
record
Club
Estates
as
an
example
from
ever
being
able
to
enter
the
market,
for
it
appears
many
years.
G
Secondly,
I'm
just
thinking
it's
going
to
redistribute
this
return
and
investment
formula
to
to
some
of
our
poor,
neighborhoods
and
I,
don't
want
to
say
poor,
but
some
of
the
more
affordable
neighborhoods,
where
your
turn
where
your
purchase
price
is
going
to
give
you
a
higher
return
on
investment
and
I.
You
know
I'm
thinking
the
Muth
Park
as
an
example.
That
might
happen
too.
G
So
if
we
were
to
put
a
cap,
I
would
not
be
I,
would
not
go
below
20
I
would
not
be
in
agreement
below
20
percent
and
I
would
want
some
sort
of
Matrix
to
understand
if
it's
actually
working.
If
we're
going
to
come
back
in
two
years,
did
the
20
achieve
something
and
what
is
the
something
that
it
achieved
and
I
don't
know?
Is
that
the
answer
to
that?
So
thank
you.
A
So
we
have
one
person
pushing
to
15
one,
not
wanting
to
go
below
20
and
two
who
I
think
said:
their
first
choice
was
20
but
could
live
with
15..
So
what
what's
the
will
of
counsel
on
this.
R
R
Course,
yeah
I
think
what
I,
what
I
was
saying
was
I
think
when
we,
if
you
look
at
distribution
of
the
400
people
in
process,
most
of
whom
were
in
process
before
this
started,
some
of
the
neighborhoods
that
are
now
between
15
and
20
are
going
to
be
at
20..
A
I
can
I
can
go
there
as
well,
particularly
given.
What
we
we
know
is
in
process
I'd
like
to
see
that
data,
but.
R
Yeah
and
I
do
agree
with
you
that
you
know
when
we
have
it
eligible
houses.
You
know
that's
something
that
can
come
back
to
Council
on
resolution.
To
look
at
if
there
are
changes
somewhere
is
a
great
example
where
there's
so
many
apartments
in
somewhere.
Yet
there's
still
right
when
you
take
out
the
apartments,
the
percentage
goes
probably
up
to
40,
plus
percent,
and
so
I
think
that
that
will
be
a
helpful
re-look
for
Council
and
a
time
to
review
this
and
see
if
the
number
should
be
different.
A
So,
to
summarize,
it's
a
20
cap
per
neighborhood.
Those
neighborhoods
that
currently
exceed
that
cap
will
continue
to
exceed
that
cap.
We're
not
taking
any
permits
away
from
anyone
and
we
will
ask
staff
to
come
forward
and
provide
us
with
revised
neighborhood
numbers
once
they
have
processed
all
of
the
applications
that
are
in
process
and
at
the
time
that
we
are
able
to
accurately
review
HOAs
apartments
and
others
that
are
not
eligible
to
become
vacation.
Rentals.
A
G
Yes,
the
only
thing
that
I
would
that
I'm
concerned
about
is
there
are
HOAs
that
actually
rent
are
eligible
to
have
a
a
short-term
vacation
rental
within
their
HOA
organization.
And
how
were
we
looking
at
that?
There's
many
that
don't
and
some
that
do
I'm
sure
any
real
estate
agent
would
know
the
difference,
because
they're
selling
property
and
have
to
disclose
whether
you
can
rent
short-term
or
not.
So
the
data
is
available
and
I'm.
G
Just
thinking
that
any
HOA
that
allows
short-term
rentals
should
be
included
in
the
total
number
of
units
that
the
percentage
is
based
upon.
CL
CL
U
BX
G
All
it
will
kind
of,
and
can
we
flush
it
just
a
little
bit
20
of
total
housing
units.
G
R
Correct
so
the
numbers
we've
been
working
at
on
since
March
we've
been
looking
at
total
total
housing
units
staff
is
working
to
get
numbers
by
neighborhood,
because
that's
not
how
we
have
the
numbers.
We
have
them
city-wide
and
which
time
they
have.
Those
then
Council
can
bring
forward
making
adjustments
based
on
the
new
that
new
data.
G
Right
right,
I
hear
that
okay
right,
the
data
is
there
I
mean
it's
totally
available.
It's
we
just
haven't
entered
it
into
the
formula
yet
so
that
means
a
plate,
a
a
district
or
a
neighborhood
with
a
lot
of
apartments
right
that
can't
rent
or
condominiums
that
can't
rent
will
have
a
huge
percentage
of
single-family
homes
that
are
vacation.
Rentals.
R
A
R
G
Staff
to
come
up
with
some
Matrix
on
if
the
20
has
you
know,
has
it
achieved
anything,
and
what
do
we
want
it
to
achieve
if
it's
quality
of
life,
if
it
you
know
what?
What
is
it
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
do
we
want
to
put
a
matrix
to
it,.
A
I
think
at
this
point,
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
is
a
density
cap,
and
we
have
suggested
that
Council
will
need
to
review
this
entire
ordinance
in
two
years
and
that
that
will
be
a
very
broad
discussion
and
I
I
I'm
reluctant
to
take
and
move
beyond
the
cap
to
a
discussion
of
all
of
the
variables
that
we
want
the
next
Council
to
take
and
make
judgments
on.
R
H
Madam,
mayor
and
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
it.
There
was
one
kind
of
minor
issue
with
regard
to
the
neighborhood
caps
that
was
identified
in
the
staff
report,
and
that
is
if
a
neighborhood
is
either
now
or
in
the
future.
If
the
number
has
been
exceeded
in
their
pending
applications,
how
does
the
council
wish
those
applications
to
be
treated?
Should
the
number
go
below
the
cap?
Does
it
does
the
council
wish
those
to
be
handled?
First?
Come
first
serve
a
lottery
system.
A
Is
that
a
question
that
we
need
to
deal
with
now
or
when
we
talk
about
how
we
handle
all
of
those
applications
that
are
in
process.
A
R
Agreed
I
think
the
other
question.
If
I'm
understanding
is
so,
let's
say
it's
a
20
plus
one
and
two
people
give
up
their
permits.
Are
we
doing
a
lottery
of
everyone
in
the
neighborhood
who's
waiting,
or
is
it
first
in
first
permit,
which
seems
like
it's
probably
the
better
route
as
first
and
first
permit.
DI
DI
So
if
there's
a
if
there's
people
who
are
interested
if
they
can
be
added
to
a
list
and
do
a
first
come
first
serve
that
way
or
I
just
think
logistically,
how
is
this
this
working,
because
are
they
going
to
get
everyone's
going
to
get
no
notification
or
they
just
have
to
be
watching
the
city's
website
to
see
if
it
changes.
R
So
would
it
be
they'd
submit
an
application
because
they'd
have
to
actually
own
the
home
and
close
escrow
Etc
so
for
Veronica
and
Patrick
does
keeping
that
list
of
applicants
per
neighborhood
work.
We
want
to
make
this
as
as
easy
as
possible
for
the
Department
yeah,
and
you
know
you're
next
online,
and
then
you
get
a
call,
yes,
okay,
not
nodding
for
people
who
will
be
listening
to
this
just
on
the
audio.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
City
attorney
for
that
question.
G
Can
I
ask
a
question
because
the
the
staff
report
is
a
little
different
than
what
has
been
discussed
on
the
diocese
where
in
the
ordinance
I'm
trying
to
find
it
very
quickly?
Does
it
discuss
the
cap
and
how
it's
based
just
so
we're
clear
in
the
ordinance
and
to
the
entire
Community?
What
is
happening?
Sure.
H
That
is
in
the
definitions
section
of
the
ordinance,
which
is
the
definition
of
VR
neighborhood
percentage,
is
on
page
18,
as
well
as
the
VR
neighborhood
percentage
cap.
G
I
saw
that,
but
it
doesn't
say
if
it's
you
know
it's
different
than
what
the
staff
report
said.
Well,
it's
different
than
what
we
discussed
in
the
diet,
so
I
think
we
need
to
clarify
it
so
they're
all
on
the
same
page.
That's
my
point:
is
it
the
total
number
of
housing
units
is,
it
is.
Is
it
what
the
staff
report
says?
Is
that
what
council
member
Cora
says
you
know
what
what
is
it
going
to
be.
H
G
So
that's
not
in
the
ordinance,
then
on
page
18,
under
definition,
yeah.
H
G
H
We
will
be
taking
out
the
second
sentence
that
references
residential
Apartments
as
well
as
the
third
sentence
that
references
HOAs,
but
otherwise
the
the
basic
definition
is
the
is
what
the
council
just
decided
on
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
We
will
move
forward
to
the
second
item,
which
is
a
requirement
of
owner
occupation
of
vacation
rental
properties,
which
was
the
requirement
that
individuals
reside
in
the
home
for
a
certain
number
of
days.
This
is
something
that
I
brought
up
back
earlier
this
year.
The
number
of
90
days
was
suggested
and
that's
what
is
in
the
staff
report
I've
heard
a
number
of
commentaries
over
the
last
few
weeks
that
90
days
is
Not
Practical.
A
DI
So
for
me,
I'm
just
concerned
about
how
you
actually
implement
it,
even
even
with
30
days
we're
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
is
that
we
have
people
who
are
upset
about
vacation
rentals
and
do
we
then
cause
this
game
of
kindergarten
tattling
on
your
neighbors,
which
I
really
want
us
to
avoid,
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
we
have
had
residents
who
have
written
down
every
single
person
whose
trash
can
was
shown
from
the
street
and
submitted
it
to
our
code
enforcement
right.
DI
So
we
we
do,
unfortunately
have
a
society
where
there
are
some
folks
who
are
going
to
be
hyper
Vigilant
about
whether
or
not
someone
is
there
for
30
days
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
something
that
our
staff
needs
to
be
taking
on,
but
I
do
agree
with
the
sentiment
of
people
being
here
or
actually
using
it
as
ancillary
use,
which
is
part
of
what
all
of
this
is
moving
towards,
and
especially
if
we
were
to
lower
the
contract
number.
That
would
probably
increase
the
amount
of
uses
of
folks.
R
H
We
don't
we
didn't
have
time
this
afternoon
to
look
at
it.
Okay,
it.
It
has
two
sentences
from
what
I
recall
one
is.
It
says
it's
got
to
be
the
owner's
primary
residence
which
you
know
is
unclear
as
to
whether
they're
referring
to
the
same
residency
requirement
as
New
Orleans,
but
then
it
also
says
that
the
evidence
of
residency
can
be
established
through
things
like
utility
bills
and
other
documents
which,
in
my
mind,
don't
necessarily
equate
to
a
full-time
residency.
It
just
means
ownership,
so
I'm
not
really
clear
how
they
how
they
enforce
it.
R
R
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
on
that
I
do
think
we
have
there's
an
Enforcement
issue
which
is
sort
of
I.
Think
the
mayor
talked
about
just
an
attestation
I
think
mayor,
Pro,
tems
point
with
some
people.
You
know
who
we
know
call
if
the
garbage
and
sometimes
as
good
as
Palm
Springs
disposal
is
don't
bring
the
walk-in
service
cans
back
in
the
house.
I've
had
that
so,
but
we'll
get
a
call
so
I
get
that
too
I.
Think
30
days
is
a
reasonable
number.
R
The
only
question
I
would
have
is:
is
there
you
know
what?
If
what,
if
someone
has
to
be
can't
be
here
30
days
for
a
year,
because
a
job
change,
a
family
issue
without
making
it
a
challenging
for
staff
to
give
waivers
right,
I
haven't
figured
out
a
way.
I.
Don't
know
staff's
thought
about
this
at
all.
I
haven't
asked
you
to
ahead
of
time,
so
you
know
councilmember
Woods.
What
do
you
think
on
this
I'm
moving
us
along.
G
I
think
I
think
I've
kind
of
showed
my
cards,
but
I
completely
agree
with
the
mayor,
Pro,
town,
I
and
and
and
and
council
member
cores
is
that
I
love
the
sentiment
of
what
it's
trying
to
do
to
make
it
an
ancillary
use.
I
just
think
it
is
unmanageable
and
it
leads
people
to
lie.
I
don't
want
to
put
people
in
that
situation
or,
as
mayor
Pro
tem
said
tattling
on
one
another
and
they
don't
even
know
it
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
contiguous.
G
It
just
seems
a
very
awkward
thing
to
do
and
doesn't
get
us
to
the
point
of
what
we're
really
trying
to
achieve,
which
is
this
balance
between
vacation,
rentals
and
quality
of
life.
I.
Think
so
that's
all
I
think
about
I.
You
know
the
I.
The
sentiment
is
fantastic.
I
just
don't
know
how
we
implement
it.
Yeah.
A
Well,
certainly,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
talking
about
here
and
is
that
we
are
going
to
phase
in
these
requirements,
so
this
would
not
apply
to
anyone
for
given
what
we
currently
have
is
the
phase
in
of
two
years.
So.
R
DI
Phased
in
and
it's
a
minimum
I'm
okay
with
that
I
I
still
have
a
lot
of
logistical
questions,
but
we
have
a
long
time
before
we're
even
going
to
have
to
address
those
logistical
questions.
G
Again,
I
I.
For
me,
it's
an
is
a
no-go.
It's
just
it's
just
too
problematic
on
too
many
levels,
I,
don't
think
phasing
has
anything
to
do
with
it.
It's
just
problematic
I
think
if
the
future
Council
wants
to
add
something
and
they
think
it
will
take
care
of
a
problem,
great
and
staff
will
have
time
to
consider
how
it
might
implement
it.
G
But
at
this
point
I
don't
see
it
as
being
easily
implemented
and,
as
I
said
before,
it
will
lead
people
to
not
be
directly
forward
just
to
maintain
their
vacation,
rental
permit
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
we
want,
but
you
know
I'm
outvoted.
It
sounds
like
so
that's
fine.
DI
I
mean
I,
I
am
I,
do
lean
more
towards
Dennis,
but
I'm
also
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
really
get
this
balance
of
of
trying
to
get
this
buy-in
from
folks,
but
but
logistically
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense
to
me
so
I'm
I'm,
really
I
would
like
to
hear
other
ideas
of
how
we
get
that
buy-in
versus
doing
it.
This
way.
A
Next
item
is
an
additional
category
of
vacation
rental
permits
for
those
owners
who
wish
to
rent
fewer
than
36
times
a
year,
also
known
as
the
junior
permits
and
I
do
have
and
I'm
apologize
for
asking
a
question
at
this
point.
But
I
do
not
recall
that
we
gave
direction
that
individuals
would
be
automatically
moved
to
a
junior
permit
if
they
rented
less
than
six
times
or
whatever
it
is
that
we
ultimately
decide.
I.
DI
A
R
Thinking
this,
but
one
one
of
the
concerns-
and
there
were
a
couple
concerns
on
this-
is
there
are
some
people
who,
for
the
cost
of
a
per
for
a
regular
permit,
will
hold
it
for
years
and
then
not
use
it,
and
so
in
neighborhoods
that
at
the
20
percent,
I
think,
maybe
if
they
don't
use
it,
that
many
for
maybe
two
years
or
something
because
you
also
I
mean
I,
know
people
who
will
get
a
perm
if
we
have
neighborhood
caps,
we'll
get
a
permit.
R
So
there
are
no
more
they're
willing
to
spend
a
thousand
bucks,
so
there
aren't
more
vacation
rentals
in
their
neighborhood,
and
so
we
want
that's
what
we
were
trying
to
avoid,
but
maybe
it's
if
they
don't
rent
it.
You
know
more
than
you
know
one
time
over
I
mean
over
and
it's
over
a
period
of
years,
because
people's
life
circumstances
change
right.
If
you're
remodeling
your
house
that
came
up
and
you're,
not
renting
it
that
year,
do
you
get
forced
down.
That
doesn't
seem
fair.
A
I
certainly
appreciate
we
do
not
want
anyone
holding
a
permit
just
to
block
other
people
from
getting
a
permit.
A
It
so
I
think
if
we
carry
that
over
two
or
three
years
that
someone's
not,
then
they
should
be
challenged
as
to
whether
or
not
they
continue
to
hold
a
full
permit.
BW
G
R
Of
the
junior
permit
was
for
people
who
are
in
a
neighborhood
where
they
might
be
waiting
or
they're
running
it
just
a
few
times
to
still
be
able.
You
know
full-time
resident
when
they're
going
on
vacation
to
rent
it.
Even
if
the
neighborhood's
at
that
cap
number.
G
R
DI
R
A
A
The
big
demarcation
is
between
those
who
have
it
just
one
permit
a
year.
A
If
we
use
last
year
as
an
example,
there
are
75
properties
that
had
seven
and
another
76
that
had
eight.
A
I
still
think
the
six
permits
was
an
appropriate
number
and
again.
This
is
something
that
experienced
gained
over
the
next
couple
of
years
can
cause
counsel
to
come
back
and
revisit.
G
You
know
I'm
fine
with
it
I
just
you
know,
I
rethinking
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
dice
and
what's
in
the
staff
report,
about
the
use
it
or
lose
it.
G
A
But
we
don't
have
any
data
of
that
would
indicate
that
people
had
permits
and
did
not
rent
at
all.
We
do
have
some
some
concern
that,
with
the
input
imposition
of
neighborhood
caps
that
there
might
be
a
desire
on
the
part
of
some
individuals
to
take
and
get
a
permit
to
block
someone
else,
we
have
no
evidence
of
that
happening.
So
I
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
how
this
plays
out
before
we
impose
a
rule
based
on
a
hypothetical.
R
I
think
if
we
can
ask,
maybe
staff
can
monitor
if
we
see
very
few
rentals
or
zero
rentals
from
people
who
have
the
the
larger
permit
and
report
back.
You
know
if
that
is
coming
up
and
Council
can
then
consider
that
I
agree
with
you,
councilmember
Woods,
that
that's
the
concern,
but
we
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
happen
yet.
G
I
guess
my
other
point
to
this,
which
we
haven't
discussed.
Is
it
would
it's
use
it
or
lose?
It
means
you
know,
you're
not
going
to
rent
and
not
report
it
so
you're,
you
know
and
that
you're
going
to
report
it.
You
know
it's
easy,
not
to
report
stuff
or
file
the
contract
ahead
of
time
so
by,
if
you
you
know,
if
you
have
this
permit
and
you're
not
using
it
I,
don't
know
why.
G
A
A
G
G
Is
what
you're
doing
and
if
other
people
want
to
get
into
the
market
or
you're,
not
filing
your
your
or
you're,
not
filing
your
reports?
One
of
the
two
is
happening:
either
you're
not
using
it.
Thus,
should
you
have
a
permit
or
you're,
not
filing
your
reports
and
paying
your
proper
tot?
One
of
the
two
is
happening.
A
No
one
of
the
two
is
not
happening
that
we
know
of.
There
is
no
evidence
that
has
come
before
this
Council
that
there
is
anyone
who
has
taken
out
a
permit
and
is
not
using
it
other
than
to
block
someone
else
from
getting
a
permit.
Now
there
may
turn
out
to
be
that
hypothetical
proven
true
at
some
point
in
time
and
we're
asking
staff
to
monitor,
to
see
if
that
happens,
but
unless
you've
got
evidence
that
I've
not
seen
it
ain't
happened
yet.
G
I
think
you're
taking
my
question
completely
wrong.
Mike,
that
is
not.
There
is
evidence
that
people
are
renting
in
the
amount
of
times
that
they're
renting.
So
if
they're
renting
less,
if
they're
renting
six
times
or
more,
they
would
not
be
a
junior
permit,
but
there
are
people
renting
six
times
or
less.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
there
is.
We
do
have
that
evidence.
G
BD
G
DI
Right
so
it's
gonna
take
time
before
this
even
comes
about,
because
we
already
have
we're
allowing
everyone
to
maintain
their
vacation
rentals
until
this
naturally
occurs.
So
there's
that,
but
also
the
other
point
about
automatically
bumping
them.
Is
that
say
you
know
you
usually
rent
your
place
10
times
a
year,
which
is
why
you
have
a
full
permit
and
then
the
next
year
things
happen.
DI
You
rent
it
for
only
six
we're
not
the
idea
is
that
we're
not
wanting
to
automatically
bump
them
just
because
they
had
a
dip
for
personal
reasons,
whatever
that
may
be
instead
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
get
back
up
to
it
now
if
they
were
consistently
renting
six
times
or
less
for
two
years.
Maybe
then
the
question
is
hey.
Do
you
need
to
bump
down,
but
I
think
there
are
reasons
why
someone
could
rent
less
or
more
and
and
that's
why
it
wouldn't
be
just
automatic.
It's
giving
people
the
benefit
of
the
doubt.
A
Are
we
able
to
move
forward
all
right?
So
the
next
issue
is
grandfathering
or
grandparenting
of
some
of
these
regulations
and
we
The
Proposal,
As,
I,
understood
it
originally
and
I.
Think
there
was
some
differences
in
the
staff
report
was
that
we
would
delay
the
implementation
of
these
new
rules
for
anyone
who
currently
has
contract
until
December
31st
of
2024.
H
Or
the
number
of
caps,
yes
or
the
occupancy
requirement,
which
is
now
gone,
that
was
going
to
be
five
years,
but
so
it's
2024
for
the
number.
A
Is
the
two-year
deferral,
our
grandfathering,
something
that
everyone
is
comfortable
with,
or
is
there
another
time
frame
that
folks
would
like
to
suggest.
DI
R
Today,
at
the
hospitality
Association,
he
just
shared
requests
that
they
be
bumped
down
over
five
years
to
get
everyone
to
sort
of
the
number.
So
starting
32
for
two
years,
then
going
down
two
two
and
two
to
get
to
26
in
five
years,
so
that
was
that
was
V.
Ron's
request.
DI
Thing
on
this
is
looking
at
the
number
of
contracts
we're
we're
seeing
and
Veronica.
Maybe
you
can
address
this
better.
We
are
seeing
a
decline
in
the
number
of
contracts
compared
to
last
year
right
for
this
year,
so
there's
already
fewer
contracts
this
year
than
there
was
last
year
and
we
do
see
from
20
for
the
fiscal
year
of
2020
2021
to
the
next
fiscal
year
of
2021
2022.
There
were
16
110
fewer
vacation
rentals,
but
our
tot
went
up
by
2.9
Million
Just
because
of
pricing
right.
DI
So
that's
interesting
and
obviously
could
be
different
every
year,
depending
on
what
the
market
says.
This
is
all
part
of
why
we're
in
this
situation
is
because
housing
isn't
a
human
right,
and
the
market
dictates
everything
anyway.
Now
I'm
losing
my
train
of
thought,
because
I'm
thinking
about
housing,
Justice,
okay,.
R
DI
Decide
to
add
on
so
this
is,
we
might
just
see
this
naturally
occurring
because
of
the
market,
and
that's
kind
of
the
thing
is
is:
does
it
is
two
years
enough
does
five
years
even
matter
we
don't
know,
we
don't
really
know
it.
We
could
say
five
years,
but
then
the
market
could
just
naturally
show
less
contracts.
CX
DN
You
know
our
database
list
at
least
which
property
has
which
you
know.
Well
all
the
current
you
know
close
to
2500
rentals
right
now
would
have
to
make
a
note
that
they
have.
You
know
this
year,
36
and
if
we
start
stepping
it
down
know
what
year
you
know
how
many
there
have
and
then
have
to
go
back
and
review
the
contract
summary
submissions
for
that
year
to
make
sure
that
they
didn't
go
over.
So
there
definitely
would
be
an
administrative
process
that
we'd
have
to
do
for
each
product.
AC
A
If
we
could
follow
up,
I
don't
want
to
lose
someone
in
the
conversation.
A
Where
this
is
going
to
be
particularly
critical
is
when
we
get
to
the
conversation
regarding
the
number
of
contracts
that
are
going
to
be
allowed
and
I
think
it
is
very
reasonable
that
those
are
currently
operating
with
an
opportunity
to
go
to
36
be
allowed
to
continue
at
that
level
for
a
period
of
time,
and
it's
what's
the
appropriate
period
of
time.
A
One
comment
I
would
make:
is
we're
asking
city
council
to
take
another
look
at
this
in
two
years,
so
that
will
need
to
happen
before
we
get
to
December
31
of
2024,
so
I
would
not
want
I
would
think
we
would
want
to
wait
at
least
until
December
31
of
2024
before
we
would
reduce
the
number.
If
we
want
to
extend
that
out
for
some
period
of
time,
just
to
make
sure
that
whatever
changes,
if
any
Council
in
poses
in
2024,
that
property
owners
have
an
opportunity
to
adjust
to
that.
DL
R
Well,
my
initial
was
sort
of
the
two
years.
I
think
one
of
the
benefits
in
thinking
about
it
of
more
of
a
step
down
is
if
the
council,
at
the
end
of
2024,
decides
to
go
down.
People
already
have
rented
for
the
next
year
or
two
right
people
rent
a
couple
years
out
so
I
think
maybe
a
slightly
slower
step
down.
If
it's
not
too
much
of
an
administrative
problem
may
make
more
sense,
because
if
you're
going
to
decide
at
the
end
of
24
that
it's
going
to
end,
that
would
be
hard
for
25.
R
A
R
A
Councilmember
Woods:
did
you
catch
that
or
did
you
miss
it
when
the
video
went
down.
A
Er
on
me.
A
A
R
I
can
jump
in
if
you
want
just
to
start,
although
I'm
comfortable
with
24
I
mean
I.
Think
when
you
get
over
26
given
rentals
are
always
virtually
always
going
to
include
a
weekend
and
sometimes
two
weekends.
You
start
getting
more
than
half
of
all
the
weekends,
which
is
an
impact,
obviously
to
neighbors
and
makes
it
harder
to
say
it's
a
really
a
secondary
use
of
the
property,
which
is
what
the
law
says.
So
that's
sort
of
where
I
land
but
happy
to
have
that
conversation.
R
R
But
I
know
for
me.
If
I'm
not
going
to
turn
my
house
into
vacation
rental,
but
if
I
did
it
would
be
in
the
summer
right
if
you're
on
Council,
that's
when
you
get
to
leave
town,
so
you
know
I
think
it's
different
for
different
people
and
I
think
we
should
let
people
make
the
decision
when
they
want
to
use
the
contracts
rather
than
dictating
some
in
a
certain
period.
A
A
So
one
of
the
questions
that
has
emerged
is
what
the
economic
impact
of
this
would
be
and
what
kind
of
reduction
so
one
we're
not
reducing
anything
for
three
years.
A
Two,
you
can
decide
how,
where
you
want
to
measure
from,
but
we
will,
by
the
time
they
finish,
completing
all
of
the
applications
that
are
in
process
right
now
be
over
two
thousand
nine
hundred
vacation
rentals
at
our
the
lowest
number.
We
got
just
below
1800.,
but
we
were
at
22.60
I
think
it
was
22.66
a
year
ago.
That's
almost
six
seven
hundred
more
during
the
course
of
the
last
12
months.
A
We're
not
make
we're
not
reducing
the
number
of
vacation
rentals
in
a
significant
fashion
for
a
very
long
time
and
so
I
think
council,
member
Coors,
makes
a
good
point
in
26
and
people
have
who
are
not
in
the
market
already
are
going
to
have
a
full
36
months.
In
order
to
respond
to
this
change,.
A
We've
agreed
not
to
implement
changes
in
the
number
of
contracts
or
until
December
31st
of
2025,
for
anyone
who
currently
has
a
contract
or
anyone
who
was
in
line
as
of
October
17
of
2022.,
and
the
suggestion
has
been
that
we
land
at
a
maximum
of
26
contracts
to
be
effective.
Beginning
January,
1
of
2026.
G
Sorry,
I
just
I'm,
so
processing
I
thought
I
had
processed
it
all
before
I
got
here.
But
that's
you
listen
to
things
and
you
can
change
your
mind
right
on
the
whole
thing.
G
I
think
the
councilman
records
is
correct,
that
some
people
have
probably
rented
you
know
Thanksgiving
or
the
holidays
for
a
year
or
two
in
advance,
and
we
want
to
you
know,
honor
them
and
not
give
up
other
opportunities
if
they've
run
their
pro
forma
on
what
it
Returns
on
it,
and
that
is
a
bit
of
a
problem
because
even
running
performance
on
this
means
that
you're
running
a
business
versus
living
there
and
just
using
it
as
an
exhilary
use.
Ancillary
use.
Excuse
me
so
you
know,
I
can
I
can
go,
go
with
it.
G
R
I'll
go
I'll
go
first
on
this.
One
I
think
we
only
have
one
event
house
that
gets
to
about
30.,
currently
so
I
think
prohibiting
them,
which
I
think
we
believe
we
did
five
years
ago,
but
didn't
actually
happen
for
understandable
reasons
doesn't
make
sense,
I
think
when
people,
especially
weddings,
often
want
to
stay
at
the
house.
A
R
A
R
A
So
if
someone
is,
as
example,
hosting
a
wedding
and
part
of
the
wedding
party
wants
to
stay
at
the
home,
that
would
be
permitted,
correct
and
would
it'd
be
one
contract
counted
as
one
contract,
even
if
it's
both
if
it's
both
yes,
even
if
it's
both
okay
on.
R
A
personal
level
I
understand
people
wanting
to
do
that.
I
couldn't
wait
to
leave
my
house
after
our
wedding
and
let
other
people
take
care
of
getting
everything
out
but
teach
their
own.
A
I
think
that's
appropriate
I
don't
want
to
get
too
deep
into
event
houses
at
this
point.
I
I
want
to
clarify
that
individuals
can
stay
when
an
event
is
being
held.
It's
also
been
brought
to
my
attention.
We
have
homes
such
as
the
Frank
Sinatra
home,
the
Leonard
DiCaprio
home
and
some
others
that
are
extremely
high
profile
properties
that
are
very
important
to
the
brand
of
Palm
Springs,
rather
than
try
this
evening
to
dig
into
all
of
that.
A
G
Yeah
I
think
mayor.
You
said
it
right
that
you
know
some
of
the
homes
that
are
rented
as
as
event
homes
are
part
of
our
brand.
They
do
cause
neighborhood
disruptions.
I
can
tell
you
just
dealing
with
event
houses
in
my
neighborhood
that
the
planning
department
has
been
great
at
it
and
they
have
responded
to
Neighbors
in
a
very
positive
way
of
whether
people
stay
overnight
or
not
is
a
different
story,
but
that
process
seems
to
work
it's
just
as
I
brought
up
earlier.
G
What
we
probably
need
to
work
through
with
staff
at
some
point
is
when
somebody
calls
how
do
you
deal
with
it
and
how
do
they
get
a
ticket
or
how
do
they?
Whatever
happens
on
that?
But
I
understand
some
people
wanting
to
stay
at
the
house
as
well.
They
have
a
cap
already
through
their
vacation
rental
per
minute.
How
many
people
can
stay
there,
so
I'm
fine
with
it
I'm
fine
with.
A
That
so
the
next
issue
we
have
is
clarification
of
the
consequences
of
a
failure
to
pay
Transit
occupancy
tax
council
member
course.
R
Yeah
I
mean
don't.
We
have
rules
currently,
if
someone's
late
right
like
they
get
a
second
notice.
I
just
want
to
figure
out
how
we're
what
the
thought
is
on
that
I
mean.
Obviously
we
want
people
to
pay
their
tot
and
people
who
deliberately
don't
pay
it.
There
needs
to
be
a
pretty
severe
consequence
sort
of
like
not
submitting.
You
know
a
contract,
summary
Etc,
but.
R
DN
CX
DN
The
finance
department,
if
they
don't
timely,
turn
in
their
Transit,
occupies
tax
will
be
a
fee
or
a
penalty
associated
with
that
I.
Don't
know
the
exact
numbers
to
that,
but
their
current
vacation,
rental
ordinance
does
have
in
the
violations
section
that
you
know
if
they
don't
timely
tender,
their
transient
occupancy
tax
payments
that
you
know
they
could
be
penalized,
2500
in
a
six-month
suspension
and
that's
currently
under
the
vacation
rental
ordinance.
I
think
the
difficulty
from
us
is
what's
timely
from
our
enforcement
part.
R
Does
anyone
know
what
Finance
does
I
mean
if
someone
doesn't
make
it
within
30
days?
When
things
happen,
you
know,
a
six-month
suspension
seems
severe
if
they
get
it
done
after
getting
a
notice
right.
So
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
I
mean
the
goal.
Is
people
need
to
pay
their
Tot?
But
if
someone,
you
know,
misses
a
30-day
requirement
and
they
get
a
warning
and
pay
it.
There
could
be
interest
in
a
penalty
of
some
kind,
but
not
a
six-month
suspension
seems
yeah.
H
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
get
some
direction
from
Council
tonight
in
terms
of
what
specific
types
of
violations
the
council
is
interested
in
in
imposing
this
penalty
on.
If,
if
any.
G
Correct
currently,
if
you
don't
pay,
you
get
a
I,
think
a
50,
fine
or
something
in
a
percentage
that
you
owe
as
a
penalty.
The
question
really
comes
is
if
you
don't
pay
that
right,
if
you
don't
pay
the
penalty
and
the
fifty
dollars
whatever
it
is.
What
happens
next
is
that
correct
council
member,
of
course,.
R
Yeah
then
I'm
I'm
good
with
that.
If
people
get
a
notice
and
then
they
don't
respond
in
the
time
allowed,
I
think
then
that
kind
of
finds
appropriate
because
they've
collected
the
money
right,
you
know
they
get
it
from
the
guests
right,
they're
charging,
the
guests
for
that.
So
I
think
if
they're
getting
a
notice
with
a
time
period
and
don't
then
get
it
done
in
time,
then
this
is
appropriate,
but
it
shouldn't
be
if
they
just
if
they
haven't
gotten
a
notice.
It's
after
notice.
In
the
time
that
I'd
be
comfortable
with
that.
A
I'm
good
with
that
I
I'm,
a
Believer
in
that
these
kinds
of
measures
should
be
Progressive.
You
start
with
a
fine,
and
then
you
build
up
from
there.
G
G
Currently,
it
never
used
to
be
it
can
be,
but
currently
we
have
this
screwy
schedule
of
based
on
work
days
and
not
on
month
and
I
think
it
means-
and
that
probably
was
because
you
had
to
pay
before
we
had
the
automated
system
in
place,
which
we
currently
have
so
I
almost
think
that
it
should
be
based
on
the
last
day
of
the
month,
not
the
last
work
day,
especially
since
we're
only
on
a
four
day
work
week
and
that
that
could
be
changed
very
easily
now.
G
The
other
issue
we
have
is,
if
somebody
has
no
rentals
at
all,
they
can't
file
electronically,
which
is
a
little
bit
problematic,
and
we
that
could
probably
be
tweaks
too,
with
the
new
systems
we're
bringing
on.
So
those
are
two
things:
I
bring
up.
One
is
to
change
the
date
to
make
it
monthly
versus
based
on
our
work
week
and
two
is
to
try
and
get
it
so
that
you
can
file
a
zero
return
electronically.
R
DJ
H
R
R
R
A
And
we
will
move
on
to
regular
review
of
vacation
rental
ordinances,
and
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
we
identified
that
city
council
will
review
the
existing
changes
that
we
are
making
and
the
entire
ordinance
not
less
than
24
months
from
today.
CX
R
More
thing
which
we
was
I
think
is
in
in
here,
which
is,
and
just
so
a
couple
of
folks
said.
Otherwise,
the
moratorium,
which
is
24
days
at
the
moment,
as
of
today,
was
not
to
stop
people
in
queue
from
getting
their
permits.
It
was
to
give
staff
time
to
pull
this
together
without
having
to
focus
on
permits,
so
with
passage
of
first
reading,
I
would
suggest
the
moratorium
is
lifted
effective
tomorrow,.
A
Yeah
and
again,
permits
should
be
processed
in
order
of
when
they
were
received
and
we
can
move
forward.
Any
obsession
council,
member
Woods.
G
I
just
I
questioned
for
staff.
If
they
were
ready,
you
know
we
have
percentage
by
neighborhood
established
in
some
of
the
previous
material.
We
have
I,
don't
know
if
that's
online
for
people
that
are
applying
or
if
any
of
the
new
permits
are
put
in,
but
I'd
hate
for
somebody
to
apply
for
a
permit,
pay,
go
through
the
process
and
realize
that
neighborhood
is
already
capped
out.
So
I
don't
know
how
quickly
staff
can
actually
get
that
up
and
online.
A
We've
got
a
lot
of
data
out
already
regarding
how
close
certain
neighborhoods
are
to
the
cap,
but
can
staff?
How
soon
can
you
post
on
the
website
what
the
neighborhood
numbers
are
for
each
neighborhood
yeah.
DN
Certainly
so
I
definitely
reach
out
to
RIT
or
GIS
team
Monday.
We
already
currently
have
a
a
vacation
rental
web
app
built
in
our
GIS
system
to
we're
we're
testing
out
to
see
at
any
time
we
can
have
a
web
map
on
display
where
we
can
look
at
a
vacation,
rental
property
understand
who
the
owner
is
and
CID
so
that
that's
kind
of
built
and
we
just
have
to
kind
of
work
in
building
like
the
density
policies.
DN
R
You
have
those
that
I
want
for
Council,
so
on
findings
on
Section
A,
the
last
sentence
says
the
ordinance
concerned:
vacation,
rentals
and
home
shares
as
ancillary
and
secondary
uses
after
Home
Sharing
I
added.
The
words
are
only
allowed,
although
it
says
that
let's
make
it
really
clear
for
people
who
are
reading
this
right
up
front
that
that
is
the
case.
R
If
anyone
disagrees
with
any
of
these
jump
in
otherwise
I'll
just
keep
going
in
finding
number
D
added
a
sentence
that
says
a
vacation
rental
registration
certificate
is
a
privilege,
not
a
right.
Furthermore,
vacation
rental
registration
certificates
may
be
revoked
or
not
renewed,
based
on
non-compliance
with
the
requirements
of
this
chapter
in
definitions
under
business
entity.
R
After
the
word
trust,
it
says,
or
an
addition,
there's
a
period
And,
it
says.
In
addition,
the
following
shall
not
be
considered
a
business
entity
under
this
chapter,
any
partnership,
limited
liability
partnership
or
limited
liability
company
consisting
solely
of
natural
persons,
the
number
of
whom
does
not
exceed
for
so
because
some
of
those
really
aren't
business
entities
and
we
call
them
that
go
on
in
definitions
owner
the
same
thing.
R
So
it's
just
sort
of
cleaning
up
language
over
there
under
registration
certificate
required.
It's
the
same
thing
under
b,
a
natural
person,
partnership,
limited
liability
partnership
or
limit
liability
company
that
does
not
qualify
as
a
business
entity,
so
making
it
clear
that
those
are
the
ones
that
are
allowed
because
some
people
own
the
houses
in
those
for
various
reasons,
and
we
want
to
give
people
make
sure
that
opportunity
is
clear
under
5.25045
on
caps
on
certificates
based
on
neighborhoods.
R
The
city
shall
not
issue
any
new
vacation
rental
certificate
and
I
wrote
to
add
other
than
Junior
vacation
rental
registration
certificates.
So
it's
clear
those
can
be
issued
in
neighborhoods
that
have
reached
the
cap,
which
was
our
intent
so
just
making
the
language
clear
on
525
vacation
rental
registration
requirements,
I
struck
number
six,
which
again
is
about
the
business.
R
What's
a
business
entity,
a
lot
of
that
was
cleaning
that
up
under
5.25070
operational
requirements
for
St
and
standard
conditions.
The
owner
shall
use
reasonably
reasonably
prudent
property
ownership
management
practices
under
a
under
B.
R
It's
that's
totally
Been
Changed
by
our
discussion
here
right,
so
I
think
you
can
address
that
to
fit
with
what
we
we
said
as
far
as
number
of
contracts
extending
to
26
from
25
under
Roman
numeral,
four,
just
reminding
people
about
the
requirement
to
submit
the
contract
summary
at
a
time,
because
some
people
I
think
the
agencies
all
know
it.
R
And
that's
it
so
just
to
sort
of
clean
up
some
things
from
the
last
time
that
we
got
comments
on,
because
we
were,
we
were
more
flexible
on
trusts
and
llc's
owning
them
originally
what
we
did
right,
as
we
heard
from
people
who
had
different
ownership
models
for
them
and
their
families,
so.
A
Attention
I
believe
we've
gotten
through
this
issue.
Is
there
any
additional
comments
that
anyone
on
Council
would
like
to
make
council
member?
Of
course,.
R
Just
want
to
really
thank
Veronica,
Patrick
and
Jeff
for
all
the
work
on
this
over
the
last
year
from
when
this
first
got
raised
in
our
strategic
planning
in
December.
It's
a
lot
of
work
and
we
really
appreciate
it
and
we
appreciate
all
the
meetings
you
know
we've
had
and
people
have
had
with
people
in
vacation
rentals
with
Realtors
with
people
who
don't
want
any
vacation.
Rentals
really
try
to
do
Outreach
to
all
those
groups,
so
everyone
you
know,
could
give
input
and
really
appreciate
all
the
input
we
received.
A
I
think
we've
demonstrated
why
we
prefer
to
do
this
about
once
every
five
years
and
but
we're
going
to
come
back
and
revisit
it
two
years
from
now.
Hopefully,
we
will
need
to
do
very
modest
changes
at
that
time
and
with
that
again,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
who
is
involved
across
the
Spectrum
on
this
issue.
A
DI
D
A
G
Man
of
Mayor,
if
I,
could
make
a
comment
since
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
do
that.
I
would
just
highly
encourage
staff
and
the
future
Council
to
continue
to
Garner,
better
information
about
our
housing
style
and
about
particularly
you
know,
condominiums
that
rent
or
don't
rent
number
of
apartment
units
I
think
it
will
hold
us
not
only
in
something
like
this,
but
just
in
directing
the
city
on
in
the
future
on
a
variety
of
issues.
G
Well,
we
don't
have
statistics
on
the
number
of
apartments
or
the
statistics
on
the
number
of
condominiums
that
allow
or
don't
allow
vacation
rentals.
It
puts
us
a
little
bit
in
the
dark
on
some
of
this
and
I
think
that
kind
of
information
can
be
gathered
before
the
next
review.
Thank
you.
So
whether
I
have
whether
that's
influential
or
not,
not
sure,
but
it's
a
suggestion.
A
Are
we,
you
finished
the
yes
all
right?
We
have
gotten
to
the
point
where
we
need
to
make
contact
with
our
non-agenda
public
comments.
I
know
it's
much
later
than
we
usually
do,
but.
DJ
More
about
short-term
rentals
than
I
ever
needed
to
know
so
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
the
desert,
comprehensive
Treatment
Center,
which
is
the
local
methadone
clinic,
and
in
my
opinion,
it
just
operates
as
nothing
more
than
a
a
drug
dealer.
Here,
that's
preying
on
those
with
addiction
problems
and
they
don't
do
anything
to
help
people
step
down
their
their
dosage,
anything
for
actual
real
counseling
or
anything
to
help
people
with
their
actual
addiction
problems.
I
would
love
to
see
the
city
do
something
to
address.
I
I,
don't
know
the
technicality
revoke
their
business.
DJ
Permit
business
license.
Do
something
about
that,
because
a
lot
of
these
things
we
see
with
this
issue
is
very
complicated.
People
are
on
all
sides
and
it
will
take
years
to
address
just
shutting
down
that
one
location
which
is
a
for-profit
location
where
their
employees
and
the
company
are
motivated
to
make
money
by
keeping
people
addicted
and
that
they
just
prey
on
addicts
in
the
area
simply
shutting
that
down
and
either
replacing
it
with
non-profit
or
any
other
organization.
DJ
DJ
Two
minutes:
Michael
Joseph
Pitkin
I
am
a
political
prisoner
of
religious
conscious
according
to
the
U.S
and
U.N
laws,
the
Geneva
conventions,
the
Hague
conventions
of
1899
and
1907,
and
the
Geneva
protocol.
My
late
brother-in-law,
Big
Jim
filkins
was
assistant
Sheriff
of
L.A
County.
His
sons,
Tom
and
Andy
are
California
Highway
Patrol.
My
sister
was
an
ex-police
woman
for
over
45
years.
They
trained
me
on
police
tactics.
Today,
I
come
to
you
at
a
personal
frame
of
reference
with
law
enforcement.
DJ
Most
do
not
have
I
have
been
under
Los
Angeles
to
their
nuke
Emergency
Center,
and
there
is
nothing
that
the
FBI
does
not
know
about
every
one
of
us.
When
you
talk
to
me
about
law
enforcement,
you're
preaching
to
the
choir
my
experience
in
Palm
Springs,
the
attitude
is
any
unhoused
is
automatically
a
drug
addict.
DJ
I
asked
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
an
emergency
homeless
declaration
for
those
homeless
within
the
city
limits,
I
ask
for
a
city
of
Palm
Springs
harm
reduction
program
and
a
needle
exchange
program
without
shame
and
stigma.
Every
drug
addict
has
a
constitutional
right
to
life:
liberty,
on
the
pursuit
of
happiness
or
property.
DJ
I
asked
for
a
pilot
program
to
enable
drug
addicts.
If
anyone
needs
extra
help,
it
is
anyone
actively
living
addictions.
I
ask
for
a
safe
place
for
tents,
for
those
with
drug
addictions
and
who
are
homeless,
who
actively
use
street
drugs.
I.
Ask
responsibility
required
for
addicts
to
keep
their
trash
picked
up
in
exchange
for
a
stigma-free
place
where
they
can
use
Street
drags
and
be
safe.
Most
shelters
will
not
allow
those
who
actively
use
drugs.
DJ
DJ
Hello,
I'm
Kara,
Van,
Dyke,
honorable
mayor
and
Council,
it's
great
to
be
here
tonight
so
late,
I'm
representing
the
Palm
Canyon
Theater,
which
leases
the
Francis
Stephen
school
from
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
I
want
to
update
you
about
an
exciting
show
that
we
have
getting
ready
to
open
at
PCT
and
we'd
love
for
each
of
you
to
see
it.
You
might
have
remember
hearing
from
me
last
season.
This
is
a
new
original
musical
production
that
we
call
Palm
Springs
getaway.
DJ
The
show
transports
audiences
from
the
early
desert
landscape
to
the
vibrant
and
inclusive
community
people
know
and
love
today,
and
every
decade
in
between
this
production
includes
about
30
actors
from
elementary
age
to
Residents.
Over
80.
we
opened
Palm
Springs
getaway
in
preview
last
February,
and
we
are
happy
to
say
that
the
show
was
so
well
received
that
we
are
bringing
it
back.
Palm
Springs
getaway
opens
December
2nd.
It
runs
three
weeks
in
December
and
then
again
for
two
weeks
at
the
end
of
January.
DJ
We
hope
that
you
would
check
out
more
about
the
show
everyone
in
the
audience,
as
well
as
anyone
watching
TV
still
because
we'd
just
love
for
everyone
to
to
come
see
it.
We
think
it's
a
fun
show
which
will
not
only
be
loved
by
the
locals
but
will
surely
become
a
known
tourist
draw
for
our
city,
so
please
visit
palmcanytheater.org
and
for
you,
all
I
will
follow
up
with
an
email
as
well.
Thank
you,
as
our
last
speaker,
all
right.
Thank
you.
DJ
We
have
three
agenda
items
left,
but
it
is
11
45
in
the
evening
are
there?
Is
there
an
urgency
to
act
on
any
of
these
three
remaining
items
this
evening
there
are
two
items:
I
believe
that
we
have
people
that
have
been
waiting
for
the
other
two
can
be
continued.
DJ
Okay,
if
you
would
identify
the
ones
that
we
need
to
get
to,
that
would
be
B
and
C
d
and
c
a
b
as
in
boy
and
C
C.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
it
is
a
pleasure
of
the
council
to
proceed
all
right.
Then
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
3B
request
by
GLA
Design
Group
on
behalf
of
SPS
manuf
LLC
for
an
administrative
minor
modification
for
relief
from
the
minimum
separation
distance
requirement
for
a
cannabis
dispensary
at
823,
South
Williams
staff
report.
Please
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
council.
DJ
DJ
DJ
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
a
distance
waiver
is
required
because
there
are
two
dispensary
facilities
existing
within
500
feet
of
the
location
which
I
will
show
in
just
one
moment.
The
applicant
has
applied
for
an
adult
use
cannabis
permit
with
the
Department
of
with
the
office
of
special
program
compliance.
However,
the
waiver
would
be
necessary
before
the
the
application
can
be
processed
and
granted
in
terms
of
the
proximity
to
the
other
two
facilities
that
I
mentioned
that
are
within
500
feet.
DJ
The
first
is
off
the
charts,
which
is
a
dispensary
and
Lounge,
located
just
over
250
feet
to
the
north,
at
757
South,
Williams
Road.
The
other
is
high
rollers
cannabis
company,
which
is
dispensary
located
340
feet
to
the
north
and
west
at
740,
South
Bella
Road,
the
applicant
has
submitted
proposed
floor
plans
showing
how
the
existing
building
would
accommodate
the
proposed
uses.
DJ
The
findings
that
are
necessary
to
Grant
the
administrative
minor
modification
for
the
distance
separation
are
listed
here.
First,
is
that
the
request
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
code,
and
we
do
find
that
it
is
generally
consistent.
However,
we
flag
that
it
may
cons
create
a
concentration
of
cannabis
businesses,
which
is
the
reason
that
the
separation
distances
exist
in
the
zoning
code.
The
second
relates
to
the
effect
the
use
may
have
on
surrounding
uses,
and
we
find
that
it
is
generally
consistent
with
the
existing
businesses
in
the
area.
DJ
Third,
that
the
proposed
use
will
not
be
detrimental
to
health
and
safety,
and
while
there
is
no
immediate
effect
on
health
and
safety,
as
we've
discussed
on
other
applications
such
as
this,
there
may
be
secondary
impacts
related
to
cannabis
facilities.
You
know
around
impaired
individuals,
for
example,
that
I
believe
the
council
will
take
into
consideration,
and
finally,
the
last
relates
to
whether
there
are
any
unique
features
of
the
site
or
other
conditions
that
might
justify
the
proposed
use,
and
we
do
not
find
that
there
are
any
environmental
features
that
would
justify
the
waiver.
DJ
In
addition
to
those
criteria
from
chapter
94
of
the
zoning
code,
the
city
council
did
also
adopt
additional
criteria
that
can
be
considered
when
evaluating
a
request
for
a
distance
waiver
as
follows.
The
first
two
relate
to
the
business
being
located
in
an
existing
blighted
building
or
within
a
space
that
has
been
vacant
for
several
years.
While
this
is
an
existing
building,
we
don't
determine
that
is
blighted
necessarily.
However,
it
has
been
vacant
since
2016,
so
for
a
number
of
years.
DJ
DJ
The
next
relates
to
ensuring
the
proposed
facility
is
generally
consistent
with
adjacent
uses,
and
staff
has
indicated
that
we
believe
it
is,
and
the
final
optional
Criterion
is
whether
the
applicant
is
a
participant
in
the
city's
cannabis
social
Equity
program,
and
we
report
that
the
applicant
is
not
a
participant
in
the
program.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
The
applicant
is
also
here
to
take
any
questions
from
the
are
there
questions
council
member
course
when
this
applicant
filed
for
a
permit,
where
the
other
businesses
already
approved.
DJ
That
is
a
good
question
that
I
don't
have.
The
answer
to
I
do
know
that
they
they
began
their
process
in
2019.
So
a
number
of
years
ago,
they've
been
working
through
the
process
for
a
few
years
now,
I
think
the
applicant
can
probably
answer
that
question
more
directly.
If
you
want
to
come
up
and
join
me,
but
they've
been
going
through
the
process
for
for
a
few
years.
DJ
Good
evening,
good
evening,
Council
mayor,
as
far
as
we
know
when
we
started
back
in
2019,
they
were
not
in
business,
but
this
process
has
been
going
for
quite
a
while.
The
license
was
sold
to
my
to
my
client.
They
used
to
be
partners,
one
of
them
walked
away
from
it.
So
we
had
to
go
back
to
licensing
and
do
the
change
of
ownership.
DJ
I
have
an
email
from
Veronica
that
states
that
back
in
2019,
when
we
got
our
license,
the
distance
waiver
was
not
required,
but
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
taking
this
long
and
for
some
reason
this
project
keeps
going
back.
They
keep
sending
us
back
and
back,
and
then
we
get
back
up
and
then
they
send
us
back.
So
as
far
as
We
Know,
we
were
first,
we
got
the
license
first
before
the
other
people.
DJ
DJ
It's
getting
late
and
I'm,
probably
softening
up
a
bit
wow
it's
shocking,
but
given
the
nature
of
the
in,
given
the
industrial
nature
of
this
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
approve
the
waiver,
I
will
pass
on
rhetorically.
The
comment
I've
consistently
made
I
think
the
city
is
over
concentrated
with
these
facilities
and
I
hope.
All
of
you
succeed,
but
everything
I've
learned
about
economics
over
the
course
of
a
fairly
long
life.
DJ
Convinces
me
we've
got
more
than
we
can
sustain
that
you're,
making
the
business
decision
to
invest
your
funds
I'm
not
going
to
get
in
your
way.
Well,
we've
been
investing
since
2019
and
Mr.
Coors
knows
a
little
bit
about
this.
This
project
Rick
was
working
with
us
and
we
lost
our
cultivation
license.
DJ
There
was
a
letter
that
was
supposed
to
be
sent
to
us.
We
never
received
it.
We
didn't
make
our
submittal,
so
this
project
has
been
I,
don't
know,
what's
wrong
with
this
project,
but
we're
just
trying
to
ask
for
help
and
say
get
us
to
the
Finish
Line
we've
already
lost
some
licenses.
I
want
my
client
to
at
least
be
able
to
get
get
into
business.
That's
why
the
building
has
been
empty
since
2016,
because
they've
been
preparing
it
for
cultivation.
DJ
Well,
it's
an
existing
building,
so
they're
not
subject
to
there's.
That's
there's
a
building
a
TI
process,
but
there's
no
Architectural
Review
required.
DJ
It's
a
change
of
use
I,
so
every
cannabis
thing
that
we've
looked
at
and
part
of
the
putting
the
Cannabis
and
allowing
cannabis
in
our
industrial
areas
was
to
upgrade
our
industrial
area.
DJ
So
even
the
Cannabis
facilities
that
are
around
this
have
done
some
major
upgrades
to
their
buildings
and
their
facades
and
their
parking
lots
to
you
know,
put
trees
and
things
of
that
nature
in
so
I
would
say
that
if
we
do
approve
this
waiver
that
we
want
that
to
occur,
and
we
can
you
can
double
check
on
what's
required,
but
Flynn
are
you
still
available
or
is
he
left?
Yes,
I
am
I'm
here
and
ready.
DJ
We
do
have
the
requirement
that
facade
treatment
and
signage
does
need
to
be
reviewed
by
the
Architectural
Review
Committee.
That
requirement
is
still
in
our
zoning
code
and
so
that
will
be
required
of
the
applicant
if
the
waiver
is
approved.
My
apologies,
so
they'll
still
go
through
that
process.
Great.
Thank
you
all
right,
that's
it!
That's!
It
motion.
DJ
Kim
I'm,
almost
on
the
other
side
of
you
on
this,
which
has
never
happened
before
this
way,
but
I'm
inclined
to
support
this.
You
know
the
consistency
with
other
businesses
is
what
we
don't
want
too
many
in
one
place
so,
but
do
we
get
any
comments
from
the
other
businesses
opposing
this?
DJ
DJ
Roll
call
council
member
course.
Yes,
mayor
Middleton,
aye,
council
member
Woods,
mayor
Pro,
tem
Garner,
yes,
Four,
Eyes,
hero
knows
motion,
carries
next
item
on
our
agendas
item:
3C
request
by
tpe
enterprise
LLC
for
administrative
minor
modification
for
relief
from
the
minimum
separation
distance
requirements
for
a
dispensary
at
1233,
South,
Gene,
Autry,
Trail
staff
report.
Please,
yes,
I
will
try
to
be
brief
and
not
repetitive.
This
application
is
a
proposed
distance
waiver
for
a
cannabis
dispensary
Lounge
proposed
for
1233
South
Gene,
Autry
Trail.
DJ
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
operate
an
almost
5
900
square
foot
dispensary
that
would
operate
for
delivery
only
within
an
existing
building
that
has
been
vacant.
Also
for
many
years
the
building
is
located
in
the
Gene
Autry
Trail
Business
Park,
which
contains
a
number
of
cannabis,
related
activities
and
other
commercial
industrial
related
uses.
The
distance
waiver
is
I'm.
DJ
Sorry,
the
distance
waiver
is
required
because
there
are
two
dispensary
facilities
located
within
500
feet
of
this
location,
which
I
will
show
in
a
moment
the
applicant
has
applied
for
for
an
adult
use
cannabis
permit
with
the
Department
of
special
program.
Compliance,
however,
that
the
waiver
would
be
necessary
before
that
permit
can
be
processed
and
granted
in
terms
of
proximity
to
the
existing
facilities.
I
mentioned
both
are
located
within
the
same
Industrial
Park.
DJ
The
first
is
extracts,
which
is
a
dispensary
and
distribution
facility
that
is
located
in
the
unit
to
the
east
and
the
or
I'm
sorry
to
the
West.
No,
the
East
it's
getting
late
and
the
other
is
the
morgue,
which
is
a
dispensary
with
a
lounge
cultivation,
distribution
and
class
six
manufacturing
facility,
which
is
located
in
a
unit
to
the
south.
DJ
In
addition
to
the
two
dispensaries
that
are
located
within
the
industrial
park,
there
are
three
other
cannabis
related
businesses
that
also
exist:
Premier
Edibles,
which
manufactures
and
distributes
Flagship
distribution
which
distributes
and
Prime
DNA,
which
is
also
distribution.
The
manufacturing
and
distribution
uses
are
not
subject
to
the
separation
distance
that
we're
discussing
tonight,
which
applies
specifically
to
dispensaries
and
lounges,
but
I
wanted
to
flag
that
they
are
also
in
the
same
Industrial
Park.
DJ
The
applicant
has
submitted
plans
showing
the
location
of
the
unit
within
the
industrial
park,
as
well
as
a
floor
plan
showing
how
they
would
utilize
the
space.
As
I
mentioned,
the
applicant
indicated
that
the
dispensary
would
not
be
publicly
accessible
and
would
be
for
delivery.
Only
once
again,
here
are
the
findings
that
need
to
be
met.
I'll
try
to
be
brief
here.
We
we
believe
that
it
is
generally
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
Zoning
code
but
flag,
the
same
concentration
of
uses
that
would
exist
if
this
is
approved.
DJ
Regarding
effect
on
surrounding
uses,
we
believe
that
it
is
generally
consistent
with
the
existing
businesses
in
the
area
and
the
industrial
park
which,
as
I
mentioned,
contain
a
number
of
cannabis
related
uses.
We
have
determined
that
there's
no
immediate
effect
on
health,
but,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
there
may
be
secondary
impacts.
DJ
DJ
These
are
the
additional
optional
considerations
that
the
council
may
make
in
granting
the
distance
waiver
on
the
first
two.
This
is.
This
is
not
a
a
blighted
building,
but
as
it
is
an
existing
building,
and
it
has
also
been
vacant
for
a
number
of
years-
in
this
case
it
has
been
vacant
since
2006
so
a
bit
longer.
DJ
The
third
Criterion
is
that
the
proposed
use
will
not
result
in
the
same
type
of
cannabis
use
along
the
same
Frontage
as
I
mentioned.
There
are
two
existing
dispensaries
within
the
same
industrial
park,
one
immediately
adjacent
and
one
sort
of
across
the
parking
aisle
we've
determined
that
the
proposed
facility
is
generally
consistent
with
adjacent
uses
and
given
the
other
uses
within
the
industrial
park,
we
believe
that
it
is
consistent
with
with
adjacent
uses.
And,
finally,
the
applicant
is
not
a
participant
in
the
city's
cannabis
social
Equity
program
so
that
that
condition
is
not
met.
DJ
That
concludes
my
presentation
and
I
believe.
If
he's
still
with
us,
the
applicant
Rick
pantel
is
available
on
Zoom
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you
Chris
just
quickly.
This
is
a
facility
that
will
only
be
used
for
distribution
outside
of
this,
so
there'll
be
no
retail,
no
customers
coming
that's
correct!
That's
what
the
applicant
has
indicated
delivery.
Has
there
been
any
objections
filed
by
any
of
the
neighbors?
We
received
one
letter
on
this
one.
That
was
not
an
objection,
but
it
was.
DJ
It
was
saying
that
they
supported
the
business
locating
in
this
area
as
long
as
it's
properly
managed
Okay.
So
we've
got
a
number
of
cannabis
related
facilities.
There
already
councilman,
of
course,
so
just
to
clarify
you
said
they
said
they're
going
to
do.
That
is
that
going
to
be
a
condition
of
of
this,
that
it
will
only
be
delivery
and
distribution
and
there'll
be
no
in-person,
dispensary
Lounge
retail,
and
if
they
want
one
they'd
have
to
come
back
again
for
a
waiver
for
that
yeah,
and
if
not,
can
we
do
that
condition?
DJ
DJ
Council
member
Woods
same
question:
this
will
go
through
the
design
process.
Yes,
correct.
Okay,
then
I
could
support
it
because
you
know
that's
about
the
doors
opening
smell
coming
out.
You
know
all
of
that
type
of
thing
as
well.
As
you
know,
Landscaping
in
the
facade
and
all
that.
So
yes,
then
I
can
support
it.
All
right.
Motion
I'll,
move
this
with
the
condition
with
that
condition
that
we
discussed.
Okay.
Second,.
DJ
DJ
DJ
DJ
Some
of
them
I
think
were
items
that
in
particular
council
member
holstage
was
particularly
interested
in
and
we
we
may
need
to
move
a
couple
of
those
because
it
does
look
like
a
pretty
full,
so
I
was
City
attorney
I.
Think
you
were
on
those
it's
unclear.
If
council
member
hostage
will
be
able
to
make
that
meeting
now
correct,
that's
my
understanding.
Yes,
so
that
may
impact
that
I
would
like
to
see
the
two
items
we
did
come
to
the
next
meeting.
DJ
If
we
need
to
move
some
other
stuff
around
I,
think
that's
fine,
I!
Think
for
a
sidewalk
vending
food
trucks
is
a
long
discussion
that
we
haven't
talked
about.
So
maybe
that
should
move
for
the
next
Council
given
I.
Think
it's
it's
not
just
a
one
meeting
issue
right,
so
I
would
move
that
I.
Think
we're
going
to
talk
about
boards
and
commissions,
diversity.
DJ
One
thing
I
would
like
us
to
just
discuss
or
maybe
I'm
fine.
If
the
next
council
is
whether,
for
the
administrative
appeals
board,
there
should
be
a
hearing
officer
instead
of
a
board,
we
could
just
sort
of
follow
and
just
apply
apply.
The
law,
but
I
did
have
one
question,
which
is
for
a
quasi-judicial
entities
who
have
final
decision
making.
There
are
a
couple
of
those
groups
for
planning.
We
require
notice
to
us
and
the
public
for
15
days
in
case.
DJ
We
want
to
pull
something
up,
I
think
that
should
probably
apply
to
all
of
the
quasi-judicial
ones.
So,
if
they're,
if
the
public
reaches
out
to
us-
and
they,
you
know
which
has
happened
to
do
the
same
thing
on
those-
if
that
would
make
sense
to
bring
that
back
for
a
discussion,
because
if
we
have
a
board,
that's
appointed
making
final
decisions.
Ultimately,
there
should
be
the
ability
to
bring
it
to
council
if
we
want
peels
only
on
the
final
decision
ones
for
people
who
are
acting
in
that
judicial
role.
DJ
Okay,
so
but
I'm
open
to
moving
most.
You
know
some
of
these
as
well,
because
we
can't
do
all
of
this.
DJ
We
can't
I
do
want
to
give
great
respect
to
our
colleague
who's
going
to
be
moving
to
Sacramento
and
if
there's
any
issues
that
she
is
going
to
be
able
to
be
here
on
November
28th
that
you
would
like
to
have
Us
address
that
meeting,
I
think
she's
more
than
earned
that
that
respect
agreed
so
maybe
check
with
councilmember
holstidge
and
then,
depending
on
that,
maybe
reorganize
the
agenda
accordingly
and
maybe
work
with
the
mayor
and
mayor
Pro
tem
on
that
certainly
she's
not
able
to
be
here.
DJ
Then,
let's
open
up
some
time,
yeah,
okay
and
and
what
I
heard
was
that
food
trucks
are
something
that,
depending
on
whether
she
is
here
or
not,
we
could
move
to
the
Future
Council
as
well
as
diversity,
policy
and
potentially
Appeals
sounds
good.
Appeals
yeah
and
the
same
probably
can
happen
with
climate
action
plan.
I
mean
just
you
know,
look
at
the
timing
right,
certainly
because
things
like
these
are
very
substantive
issues.
DJ
You
know
that
if
we
get
to
at
11
at
night
we're
not
really
at
our
we're
getting
we're
getting
a
little
tired.
So.
DJ
Any
others,
no
I
just
want
to
reiterate
I
I
A
diversity
on
boards
and
commissions.
Obviously
we
have
a
new
city
clerk
to
pull
some
statistics
together
on
that
I
think
the
new
Council
that's
coming
in
seems
to
be
very
versed
on
it.
It's
probably
going
to
be
more
than
us
making
a
decision,
but
probably
some
implementation
from
here
on
out.
So
if
we
hunt
that
I'm
happy
that
I'm
fine
with
that.
DJ
So
just
a
couple
of
comments
and
I
will
definitely
keep
them
short.
We
Riverside
County
Transportation
Commission
staff,
along
with
supervisor
Manny
Perez
and
myself
Matt
with
the
California
Secretary
of
Transportation
last
week,
again
reiterating
the
importance
of
rail
service
to
the
Coachella
Valley.
It
was
a
positive
meeting.
We
still
got
a
long
way
to
go
to
get
those
trains
out
here
on
a
daily
basis,
but
with
it
seems
each
week
we
find
ourselves
having
new
opportunities
to
to
advance
that
cause.
DJ
So
I'm
very
pleased
I
want
to
thank
at
this
point
everyone
who
is
involved
in
the
election
over
the
last
many
many
months,
whether
one
was
successful
or
not
successful.
I
know
how
much
a
heart
and
soul
goes
into
these
kinds
of
campaigns,
and
thank
you
for
putting
yourself
through
what
is
an
incredible
ordeal
and,
most
importantly,
our
thanks
to
your
families
for
allowing
you
to
to
do
that.
Lastly,.
DJ
This
past
weekend
we
celebrated
pride
in
our
community.
It
was
an
incredible
event.
It
was
wonderful
to
see
over
75
000
people
on
Palm
Canyon
and
everyone
celebrating
smiling
having
a
fabulous
time.
We
know
how
to
throw
a
party,
and
our
hats
are
off
to
the
Palm
Springs
Police
Department,
for
the
planning
and
execution
that
went
into
that
event.
DJ
Inviting
tens
of
thousands
of
people
to
your
community
is
something
that
no
one
does
lightly
in
this
country
today
and
because
of
the
thoughtful
planning
of
our
Police
Department,
we
got
through
this
event
with
the
absolutely
not
a
single
incident
and,
as
reported
to
me,
not
a
single
arrest
was
necessary
during
the
course
of
the
weekend.
So
thank
you.
DJ
Fabulous
weekend
for
pride
and
seen
not
just
the
gay
and
extended
Community
come
out,
but
the
entire
community.
That
is
really
what's
wonderful
about
the
whole
thing.
Last
year,
for
the
first
time
in
the
city's
history,
I
got
gay
flags
flown
at
this.
All
the
city
facilities
somehow
that
slipped
through
the
cracks
this
year,
I'd
like
to
see
that
become
a
tradition
during
our
gay
pride
or
during
June,
which
is
traditional
gay
pride
that
we
fly
those
flags
at
this
at
the
Soviet
City
facilities.
DJ
When
we
did
it
last
year,
there
was
nothing
but
accolades
to
have
it
done
so.
I
hope
that
continues
in
the
future.
We
were
able
to
fly
them.
We
did
get
them
posted,
oh
fantastic,
I
didn't
see
them
last
year
they
weren't
actually
able
to
post
them,
but
this
year
we
did
good.
Thank
you
great,
so
I
think
that's
important
just
to
tell
people
we're
welcoming
when
they
come
into
town.
Great,
any
other
comments
in
at
12
12
on
November
11,
We
Stand
adjourned.
Please
be
safe
out
there.