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C
B
Has
an
excused
absence:
you
won't
make
it
tonight.
We
have
a
forum,
okay,.
A
Thank
you
dan
I'd
like
to
welcome
the
commissioners
staff
members
and
visitors
to
the
com
to
the
commission
meeting
this
night
tonight.
If
there
are
visitors
there,
would
you
please
identify
yourselves,
give
us
your
names
for
the
record.
A
There
will
be
time
for
public
comments
later
in
the
meeting
just
like
to
ask
that
participants.
Please
keep
your
microphones
muted
during
the
meeting
and
then
raise
your
hand
to
be
called
to
speak
at
the
appropriate
times
and
then
unmute
your
microphones.
When
you
speak
and
please
do
not
use
the
chat
feature
in
zoom.
D
A
A
G
Thank
you,
so
I
did
prepare
a
little
update
summary
for
you
all,
but
I
have
updates
to
the
update
on
just
about
everything.
So
let
me
just
hit
a
couple
of
highlights
for
the
past
and
upcoming
council
meeting
topics.
G
The
food
ware
ordinance
was
is
being
removed
from
the
september
24th
meeting
agenda
per
christy,
hostage's
request
so
more
to
follow
on
that.
When
we
talk
about
that
topic,
the
october
7th
meeting,
in
addition
to
the
recycling
and
organics
management
ordinance,
I
think
we'll
also
try
to
put
forward
the
climate
action
discussion
pending
a
confirmation
on
this
call
and
then
the
demo
garden
will
also
likely
move
forward.
G
G
G
F
G
G
A
side
total
side
note
on
that
topic,
if
you
guys
have
citrus
trees
and
they
look
like
they're
kind
of
dying,
sometimes
they
often
die
kind
of
die
off
in
the
summer,
get
get
kind
of
dried
up,
but
there
is
a
blight
going
around,
and
so,
if
your
branches
are
starting
to
die
and
the
fruit's
starting
to
die,
then
that's
problem.
So
you
should
get
that
checked
out
and
I
think
we've
got
three
trees
that
are
potentially
not
going
to
make
it.
G
Okay,
any
other
questions
comments
all
right,
so
that's
it
for
staff
comments
at
the
moment.
A
So
now
we'll
move
on
to
public
comments.
This
is
time
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability
commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
commission.
The
commission
values
your
comments,
but
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
A
A
Hearing
none
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
presentations.
A
The
first
presentation
is
on
the
an
overview
of
the
the
update
of
the
palm
springs
general
plan,
and
we
have
david
newell
here
from
planning
to
give
us
that
overview.
David.
E
Yes,
good
evening,
chair
and
building
commissioners
glad
to
be
here
tonight
and
give
you
just
a
kind
of
an
overview
of
what
we're
doing
with
the
general
plan,
update
and
thank
the
subcommittee
who
helped
provide
some
feedback
on
where
we're
at
right
now
in
the
process.
E
E
E
E
E
Great
okay,
so
just
to
give
you
an
overview,
what
we're
doing
with
the
update
is
it's
a
limited
update
to
the
general
plan.
The
journal
plan
was
adopted
in
2007..
E
The
council
approved
as
part
of
the
budget
appropriations
last
year,
an
update
to
certain
elements
of
the
general
plan,
some
things
that
needed
to
be
cleaned
up
as
a
part
of
our
line,
development
district,
ad
hoc
recommendations
subcommittee
recommendations
to
address
some
things
that
need
to
be
cleaned
up,
so
we've
taken,
we've
begun
the
process
we
started
late
last
year
and
what
again?
E
What
we're
focusing
on
with
this
limited
update
is
the
land
use,
element,
circulation,
element,
the
housing
element
and
actually
the
safety
element
that
wasn't
the
safety
element
wasn't
anticipated
to
be
updated
initially,
and
that's
what
you
see
here
in
the
table,
it
shows
the
safety
element
was
anticipated
to
have
no
revisions,
but
with
some
state
law
changes
we
are
actually
in
fact
going
to
be
updating
that
so
we've
amended
the
budget
to
cover
that.
E
As
far
as
the
timeline
there's
you
know,
I've
listed
here.
We
have
five
steps
to
to
get
through
this
process
of
roughly
about
18
months
process
and
that
will
be
delayed,
given
some
of
the
hiccups
we've
had
this
year
with
coven,
but
right
now
we're
just
finishing
up
confirming
our
vision
and
priorities
and
that
we
did
get
some
feedback
from
the
sustainability
subcommittee
on
those
priorities
that
are
related
to
sustainability.
E
And
so
we
appreciate
that
and
I'll
kind
of
give
you
a
just
an
overview
of
those
changes
too.
But
this
is
really
kind
of
where
we're
at
we're
just
finishing
up
step
one.
The
planning
commission
reviewed
the
subcommittee's
recommendations,
as
well
as
the
changes
that
they
had
reviewed
back
on
july
29th
this
past
week
on
september
9th,
and
they
they
recommended
approval
to
the
city
council,
incorporating
all
of
the
recommendations
from
the
subcommittee
of
the
sustainability.
E
So
that
will
go
forward
to
the
city
council
and
the
council
will
review
that
on
we're.
Looking
at
the
first
meeting
in
october
on
october,
8th
and
after
that,
we'll
jump
into
the
next
steps
which
are
updating
the
goals
and
policies,
and
you
know
preparing
all
of
the
updates.
The
elements.
E
Administrative
updates,
minor
changes
to
the
rest
of
the
elements
and
then
doing
the
environmental
review
and,
finally,
a
general
adoption
of
the
general
plan.
So
taking
a
look
at
some
of
the
changes
that
are
addressing
sustainability,
the
original
priority
that
was
identified
back
in
2007
that
probably
touched
on
sustainability.
The
most
was
the
second
priority
that
was
listed
and
again
these
I
should
just
mention
these
priorities
are
not
ranked
in
order
they're,
all
they
all
have
equal
weight.
E
E
So
the
planning
commission
took
the
subcommittee's
recommendation
for
updating
this
2007
priority
to
what
you
see
here
on
the
right.
So
it's
really
moving
it
away
from
establishing
this
program
and
because,
obviously,
we've
done
a
lot
of
efforts
in
the
field
of
sustainability,
with
obviously
establishing
the
sustainability
office,
the
sustainability
commission.
So
we've
done
a
lot,
a
lot
of
the
programs,
a
lot
of
the
efforts
that
we've
done
now
we're
looking
to
continue
that
as
we
update
this
priority
for
the
the
general
plan
update,
and
so
the
commission
did
recommend.
G
E
Was
recommended
for
a
minor
change
was
related
to
priority
number
three,
and
in
this
priority
there
was
some
minor
changes
to
how
the
words
were
written
for
promoting
businesses
that
will
provide
a
living
wage.
There
was
a
minor
change
the
commission
had
to
that,
but
the
rest
of
it
was
all
recommended
to
the
city
council.
As
you
see
here
on
the
right.
E
Priority
number
five
was
the
next
one
that
the
subcommittee
looked
at
and
then
they
added
the
words,
as
you
see
in
the
second
line,
encourage
development
of
resource
efficient
housing
units,
so
resource
efficient
housing
is
important,
of
course,
and
so
that
was
part
of
the
minor
change
that
the
subcommittee
had
for
the
planning
commission
and
the
planning
commission
agreed
and
moved
that
forward.
G
E
Six
related
related
to
strengthening,
fostering
community
interaction
and
engagement
by
you
having
unique
places.
So
we
have
the
sustainability
subcommittee
recommended
that
the
words
improve
parts
and
other
open
spaces
being
included,
so
that
was
recommended
to
the
plan
or
recommended
to
the
city
council
by
the
planning
commission.
E
Priority
number
nine.
This
one
had
the
we
added
the
the
subcommittee
added
the
words
and
public
transportation,
as
you
see
here
on
the
right,
obviously,
there's
a
lot
more
changes
that
were
incorporated
to
this
priority
that
this
general
planned
steering
committee
had
as
it
went
to
planning
commission,
and
so
there
were
some
additional
changes
that
the
commission
had
and
then
the
subcommittee
had
here.
So
those
have
been
incorporated
and
that
is
being
afforded
to
the
city
council
for
consideration.
E
E
Priority
number
10,
this
one
was
kind
of
worded
a
little
bit
funny
after
we
had
some
revisions
that
were
recommended
so
based
on
the
subcommittee's
recommendation,
we
took
out
a
few
words
to
make
it
read
a
little
bit
better,
and
so
that
was
recommended
to
the
city
council.
As
you
see
here
on
the
right.
E
We
have
a
the
general
plans
making
recommendations
and
that
steering
committee
is
made
up
of
members
a
member
from
each
district,
each
council
district.
It's.
It
also
includes
a
sustainability
commissioner,
and
it
also
includes
the
planning
commission
chair
and
then
a
member
of
the
tribe,
the
tribal
planning
office
and
then
so
so
that
committee
is
just
making
recommendations
to
the
planning
commission
as
part
of
this
process.
E
E
So
it's
really
to
get
the
community's
input
as
part
of
this
process
and
get
their
feedback
as
to
what
the
values
are.
As
we
do,
our
updates
to
the
general
plan,
we'll
we'll
actually
have
another
community
forum
here
in
the
fall.
How
that
will
look
we're
still
working
on
how
we're
going
to
handle
that?
I
expect
it
would
be
some
sort
of
online
forum
that
we'll
be
looking
for
input
on
the
chapters
that
were
updating
the
elements
of
the
general
plan,
so
that'll
be
upcoming.
E
That's
the
website.
We've
created
dedicated
to
this
process.
It
has
all
the
latest
information
with
respect
to
upcoming
meetings,
past
meetings,
documents
that
we
are
you
know
preparing
and
providing
as
a
part
of
the
update,
so
that
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
that
and
have
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
commission
has.
H
So
david,
when
you
mentioned
the
safety
element
having
been
updated
because
of
the
change
in
state
law,
I
assume
you're
referring
to
sb
379,
which
requires
the
safety
element
cover
climate
along
here.
Climate
change,
adaptation
and
resilience.
So
is
that
what
you'll
be
working
on
and
the
safety
plan
and
sort
of
what?
Where
does
that
fit?
In
the
step
plan?.
E
Yeah
so
it'll
be
all
part
of
those
kind
of
cleanup
items
that
we're
trying
to
address
as
a
part
of
changes
to
state
law,
climate
resiliency
being
one
of
them
fire
high
fire
hazard
areas,
just
a
number
of
things
that
we're
going
to
be
incorporating
as
a
part
of
updates
to
that
document.
E
So
it'll
all
be
part
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
as
we
get
more
into
this
specifics
of
each
element
after
the
council
approves
the
vision
and
priorities
and
really
gives
us
kind
of
gives
us
the
overall
picture
of
you
know
the
values
of
the
of
the
city
before
we
kind
of
get
into
those
policy
updates.
H
E
Yeah
yeah
and
if
of
course
during
the
the
specific
policy
updates
that
we're
looking
at
you
know,
there's
things
that
would
make
sense
to
include
at
that
point,
then
you
absolutely
would
like
to
make
sure
we
address
those.
If
you
know
before
we
get
into
the
administrative
portions
of
it
too,.
H
That's
one
of
the
reasons
sort
of
anticipating
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
language
that
I
set,
which
was
reflected
now
in
priority
to
the
talks
about
climate
adaptation
and
mitigation.
So
that's
kind
of
the
hook
for
the
more
detailed
work
in
in
that
part
of
the
safety
limit,
so
just
make
sure
the
two
of
them
sort
of
tied
together.
B
I
have
a
question:
go
ahead,
jim,
maybe
this
is
kind
of
far
along
david
to
even
bring
this
up,
but
in
one
of
the
slides
we
talked
about
promoting
alternative
transportation
and
a
couple
slides
down.
We
talked
about
provide
for
the
best
support
businesses
and
provide
plenty
of
parking
for
cars.
B
E
That
would
be
something
I
think
we
would
get
into
as
a
part
of
our
policy
decisions
when
we're
looking
at
maybe
the
circulation
element
and
those
specific
policies
that
address
parking
in
the
city.
E
Okay,
so
yeah,
the
the
vision
and
priorities
are
really
the
high
level
kind
of
general
foundation
for
making
other
decisions
or
making
or
establishing
policies
or
updating
the
policies
that
we
currently
have
in
the
general
plan,
and
that
would
be
more
of
a
lower
level
item.
That
is
really
a
policy
decision
that
we
would
have
to
make
and
addressing
the
false
goals
and
policies
of
the
general
plan.
E
Yeah
and
what
I
would
I
would
say
that
I
think
the
specific
change
that
was
relative
to
ensuring
adequate
parking.
I
think
it
was
related
to
the
concern
of
the
arena
and
having
parking
flood
out
into
neighborhoods.
E
So
while
it's
not
specific
there,
we're
just
saying
you
know
we
don't
want
to
have.
I
think
generally.
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
we're
doing
use
land
use
planning
that
we're
making
sure
that
our
our
city
is
parked.
B
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
as
long
as
the
parking
is
free,
we'll
need
unlimited
amounts
and
once
we
start
charging
for
parking,
we'll
need
less
parking
yeah.
So
you
know
it's
just
astonished
that
we
still
do
the
multi-level
parking
garage.
It's
still
free,
so
unlock
it.
B
E
Yeah
and
that's
something
like
I
said
once
we
start
getting
into
this:
the
the
policy
and
the
goals
and
policies
of
the
these
chapters.
E
You
know
we're
looking
for
feedback
so
as
we
get
further
along
here
in
the
next
few
months,
we'll
we'll
send
a
link
out
for
the
surveys
and
the
meetings,
if
you're
interested
and
on
psgeneralplan.com,
we
have
an
area
where
you
can
subscribe
to
receive,
updates
for
meetings
and
and
anytime.
We
have
a
survey
we'll
let
you
know
as
a
part
of
subscribing
to
that
website.
A
Thank
you
david
for
your
presentation.
Could
you
provide
your
charts
to
dan
and
patrick
so
that
they
can
send
them
to
the
commission
members.
A
Could
you
provide
your
charts
to
dan
and
patrick
so
they
could
send
them
to
the
commissioners?
Okay,
thanks
for
the
presentation.
A
Moving
on
the
next
presentation
is
on
safety
issues
for
5g
network
and
how
this
came
about
was
that
janet,
also
known
as
viva
hoffman
sent
an
email
to
mayor
coors
expressing
some
concerns
about
the
5g
network.
A
Mayor
coors
forwarded
that
email
to
patrick
and
me,
and
I
subsequently
contacted
viva
and
asked
her
to
make
a
presentation
tonight.
So
we'll
move
on
to
her
presentation,
eva.
D
All
right
so
I've
been
studying
this
5g
thing
and
I'm
afraid
that
beautiful
brittle
bush
in
andreas
canyon
will
be
gone
because
the
bees
will
finally
go
all
together
with
the
5g
we've
already
lost.
80
percent
of
these
the
yucca
will
be
gone.
The
joshua
trees
will
be
gone
because
the
bats
pollinate
them
the
hummingbirds
will
be
gone,
which
won't
be
fun
because
we
like
to
watch
them
and
the
land
values
will
sink
10
to
20
percent.
D
Now
the
navy
is
known
about
all
these
side
effects
since
1972
when
they
reported
them,
so
they've,
probably
known
about
them
since
1970,
along
with
the
russians
in
1960,
because
the
germans
used
it
in
world
war
ii.
The
navy
has
122
adverse
health
effects.
The
germans
were
able
to
fry
eyeballs
and
disperse
crowds,
the
nazis
with
the
5g
electromagnetic
shortwave
frequency,
and
we
can
get
cataracts.
D
We
can
get
ocular
melanoma,
there's
dna
damage,
especially
especially
to
the
dna
of
female
embryos,
which
means
it's
permanent.
The
dna
will
go
on
generation
after
generation
until
the
end
of
time.
Meanwhile,
the
sperm
swimmers
are
going
in
circles
right
now
from
2,
3
and
4
g.
So,
who
knows
what
they're
going
to
do
next?
D
So,
let's
go
on
to
head
and
neck
tumors
heart
disease
cell
damage,
the
cell
walls
get
damaged.
The
oxygen
uptake
is
slowed
way
down
in
your
blood,
which,
surprisingly
enough
is
of
course,
a
clean
symptom.
Also,
and
then
my
favorite
thing
is
our
millions
of
sweat.
Glands
are
going
to
act
as
antennas
for
the
shortwave
electromagnetic
5g
thing
that
has
the
pulsations
going
on
it.
That's
the
information.
That's
really
really
really
fast,
and
the
studies
that
have
been
done
so
far
have
never
studied
the
pulsations,
which
are
the
worst
things.
Okay.
D
So
I'm
thinking
that
I
guess
I
didn't
say
this
yet
my
favorite
horrible
thing
is
all
of
our
sweat
glands,
acting
as
antennas
letting
the
waves
come
into
our
body.
We
have
billions
of
sweat,
glands
and
then
we'll
be
like
batteries.
D
At
least
then
they
go
down
to
these
antenna
terminals,
which
bring
in
the
information
from
antennas
that
are
spaced
every
100
or
200
meters
like
in
front
of
your
next
door
house,
probably,
and
then,
if
they
put
the
military
weapons
into
the
led
street
lights,
like
they're
doing
in
a
section
of
the
uk
in
london,
they
can
go
through
cement
and
brick
and
during
the
war
the
germans
brag,
they
can
put
words
in
your
brain.
D
The
whole
thing
since
1996,
the
fcc
says
they
don't
care.
This
company
here
says
the
mobile
5g
devices.
May
the
human
body
may
pose
a
problem,
believe
it
or
not.
The
human
body
is
electric,
just
like
the
earth
and
the
atmosphere
and
here's
a
photograph
of
an
office
building
with
the
beautiful
5g
micro
millimeter
waves,
zooming
out,
which,
if
you
could
see,
is
what
they
look
like
now.
These
led
street
lights.
As
I
said,
here's
a
photograph
of
them
in
china
lining
the
street.
D
So
we
don't
know
we
don't
know
from
brussels
to
bangladesh
and
from
mill
valley
to
new
york
state.
There
are
cities,
counties
and
countries
that
have
already
banned
it
or
said:
let's
find
you
know
further,
let's,
let's
do
further
safety
studies,
but
wait
a
minute.
I
forgot
bone
bone
and
bone
marrow
problems,
alzheimer's,
autism,
adhd
gehrig's
disease,
parkinson's,
diabetes
and
then
the
usual
insomnia,
anxiety,
depression,
blah
blah
blah.
So
I
say:
let's
go
to
fiber
optics
instead
of
electromagnetic
waves
because
no
harm
from
fiber
optics
and
it's
cheaper.
D
A
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments
and
I'll
start
with
a
question
you're
talking
about
the
5g
network
in
general,
which
is
already
in
development?
Are
you
talking
about
networks
which
are
being
developed
as
part
of
smart
cities.
D
Yeah,
smart
cities
right
now,
there's
no
5g
in
palm
springs
right.
D
There
wasn't
the
last
time
I
checked
I'd
been
in
altadena
for
a
while
and
my
daughter
in
my
daughter's
house
until
the
smoke
from
the
bobcat
fire
drove
me
back
home,
and
she
said
we
have
no
5g
here,
but
I
looked
at
the
map
and
they
do
mobile
t-mobile
has
a
5g
network.
We
already
have
smart
meters
here
which
make
your
ears
ring.
I
mean
they
make
mine
ring.
D
I
I
just
have
one
question
which
is:
do
you
know
specifically
what
the
the
different
frequency
is
for
5g
compared
to
4g.
D
You
know,
there's
radio
waves,
you
know
there's
radiation
coming
off
everything.
It's
really.
You
really
need
to
be.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
an
engineer.
You
know
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't.
I
I've
been
researching
this
for
about
a
month
now
and
I
still
have
a
lot
to
learn.
A
It
now
we'll
move
on
is
the
acceptance
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
july
21st
meeting
the
the
minutes
were
emailed
and
posted
last
thursday
september
10th.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes.
F
A
G
All
right,
I'm
sort
of
feeling
like
old
business
today,
so
it's
been
a
very
long
day,
so
I
wanted
to
chat
a
little
bit
about
the
status
of
the
proposed
ordinance
for
disposable
food,
wear
and
plastics
waste
reduction.
G
So,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting,
we
did
some
additional
outreach
and
hang
on
one
second,
so
I've
been
monitoring
the.
G
Sorry,
the
1ps
meeting
and
I
can't
seem
to
get
into
their
website,
so
I
won't
be
talking
at
the
1ps
meeting
so
anyway.
So
the
ordinance
we
had
some
stakeholder
meetings
this
month,
the
end
of
august.
At
the
beginning
of
september.
G
We
also
went
to
the
palm
springs,
hospitality
association
meeting
to
talk
about
it
there,
as
well
as
the
general
managers
meeting,
which
is
affiliated
with
the
hospitality
association.
G
So
we
shared
information
about
the
ordinance
of
each
of
those
different
meetings.
There
were
a
few
questions,
but
we
really
didn't
get
into
a
big
discussion
at
those
meetings.
For
the
most
part,
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
most
of
the
businesses
was
that
they
don't
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
any
of
this
right
now,
and
so
we're
not
super
receptive
to
the
different
elements
of
the
ordinance.
Although
a
lot
of
them
are
doing
these
things
already.
G
So
there
were
a
few
people
on
that
that,
like
los
consuelas
who's,
been
thinking
about
this
a
long
time
and
has
already
switched
away
from
some
of
their
plastic
disposable
food
wear
so
anyway.
So
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of
participation
in
the
actual
stakeholder
meetings.
G
There
were
about
three
or
four
restaurants
that
participated
a
couple
of
members
of
the
public,
and
so
we
did
you
get
a
little
bit
of
feedback,
but
again
it
wasn't
very
robust
feedback
and
then,
at
the
council
meeting
last
week,
council
member
hostage
suggested
that
we
remove
it
from
the
agenda
for
september
24th
and
postpone
that
discussion
pending
more
outreach
to
public,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
what
that
looks
like
or
what
it
is
that
we
will
do
differently
moving
forward.
G
But
but
that's
where
we
stand
right
now,
but
I
did
want
to
kind
of
walk
through
it
a
little
bit
to
highlight
a
few
things
that
I
did
to
the
ordinance
in
in
response
to
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
did
here.
So
I
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
those
things
with
you.
So
the
first
thing
was
that
we
wanted
to-
or
I
put
the
effective
date
as
july
1st
of
2021-
that's
a
little
bit
later
than
I
think
that
council
would
have
hopes.
G
But
my
thinking
behind
that
was
twofold.
So
one
is
to
avoid
some
sort
of
a
stepped
or
phased-in
approach,
but
rather
to
have
the
full
thing
implementable
whenever
it's
ready
to
go
on
the
effective
date
and
that's
one
piece
of
advice
that
we
received
from
other
cities
who
tried
to
do
phased
or
tiered
approaches.
G
So
what
we
thought
was
we
would
do
the
full
effective
date
and
the
full
ordinance
on
the
effective
date.
And
so
so
I
said
it
at
july
1st,
because
that
would
give
us
a
chance
to
actually
do
some
outreach
to
businesses
establish
some
technical
assistance,
hire
some
technical
assistant
support
staff
and
actually
move
that
forward.
So
so
anyway.
So
that's
that's
put
down
as
the
potential
effective
date
and
then
the
other
thing
was.
G
I
actually
just
cleaned
up
a
little
bit
of
the
definitions
related
to
compostable
material
because
they
were
a
little
bit
repetitious
in
a
couple
of
places
or
redundant
in
a
couple
of
places.
So
I
fixed
that
the
other
thing
that
I
did,
the
other
big
change
to
the
ordinance
itself
was
to
the
the
description
of
the
fee
for
disposable
food.
Well,
so
one
of
the
pieces
of
feedback
that
we
did
get-
and
this
started
actually
with
council
asking
this
question
about
yeah.
G
How
does
that
fee
for
disposable
food
wear
work
and
you
know
doesn't
that
seem.
You
know
that
seems
a
little
strange
and
shouldn't
we
be
providing
incentives
for
people
to
use
reusable
food
wear.
So
what
I
did
and
actually
the
philosophy
behind
it,
as
I
think
you
probably
know,
is
that
if
the
basically
the
stick
works
better
than
the
carrot
in
these
particular
cases,
so
fees
actually
drive
behavior
more
than
incentives.
H
G
G
Making
reusables
less
expensive
than
disposables,
so
I
thought
a
little
bit
about
how
to
word
that,
because
it
gets
a
little
bit
strange
when
you
think
about
you
can't
just
say
that
there's
an
incentive
or
a
price
reduced
price
for
using
reusables,
or
you
know,
free,
refills
or
whatever
that
that
that
may
be,
because
if
people
are
going
to
subscribe
to
a
reusable
cup
or
reusable
container
service,
there's
probably
a
fee
for
that
and
they
may
want
to
collect
some
of
that
fee.
G
So
I
put
in
there
just
that
it
was
less
expensive
than
the
disposable
alternative,
so
hopefully
that
that
gives
people
a
lot
of
room
and
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
various
things
that
they
might
do
or
not
do
to
promote
reusable
food
wear
so
that
that
was
also
in
there.
And
then
I
think
those
are
really.
Those
are
really
the
two
big
changes
that
I
put
forward.
Otherwise,
the
only
other.
G
The
only
other
piece
of
the
only
other
comment
that
I
received
that
may
result
in
some
change
to
the
ordinance
is.
There
was
some
concern
expressed
about
not
having
a
plastic
bag
for
liquid
food
transport,
so
that's
currently
an
exception
in
our
in
our
plastic
bag
ordinance.
G
But
again
we
did
not
include
that
exception
here,
so
we
just
said:
no,
no,
no
single
use
plastic
bags
just
the
same
way.
We
do
for
groceries.
So
again
that
may
be
a
subject
of
discussion
for
council
as
it
goes
forward.
If
we
do
get
more
comments
on
that,
but
that's
that's
one
thing
that
we
did
here.
G
So
it
would
be
like
a
soup,
oh
okay,
yeah.
So
if
you
get
a
soup
or
something
saucy,
then
that's
that's
really.
What
they're
talking
about?
Yes,.
B
G
F
Yeah,
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
general
public
get
a
little
bit
more
involved
in
this,
the
customers
who
are
ordering
this
food.
It's
been
amazing
to
me
when
I
have
ordered
food.
How
different
you
know!
Some
of
the
restaurants
are
what
they,
what
they're
going
to
give
back
to
you.
F
You
know.
I
think
that
if
the
public
understood
that
this
is
a
direction
that
would
be
healthier
for
us,
even
if
what
we
got
was
a
plastic
bag
with
number
five
soup
container,
that
is
imminently
reusable
and
a
number
five
dish
and
lid
that
are
also
reusable
right.
You
know
that
would
be
and
not
get
all
the
condiments
and
not
get
the
you
know
I
mean,
and
I
there's
a
restaurant
pepper
ty.
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
been
there,
but
I'd
like
to
I'd,
give
them
some
praise
for
the
way
they
packaged
the
delicious
food.
F
I
might
add-
and
it
was
the
number
five
plastic
which
you
and
I
know,
really
isn't
getting
recycled,
but
we're
talking
about
it
as
if
it
is
so,
it
would
be
consistent
with
the
party
line
and
it
wouldn't.
The
main
thing
is,
I
think,
we've
got
to
get
rid
of
this
styrofoam,
our
psds
isn't
taking
styrofoam
peanuts
anymore
and
that
they're
pretty
clear
about
that
right.
F
Oh,
I
think
if
we
get
our
our
public,
if
we
made
some
kind
of
an
all
the
different
ways
of
putting
out
an
article
saying,
this
is
what
you
can
do
to
help
our
restaurant
owners
tell
them
off
the
bat
or
encourage
them,
or
maybe
a
signage
that
could
go
in
the
in
the
restaurant.
G
I
think
I,
I
think,
you're
kind
of
on
to
something
lonnie
in
the
sense
that
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
that
we've
had
with
this.
G
This
process
has
been
every
time
and
actually
now,
I
think,
there's
probably
more
of
an
outcry
from
the
public
than
ever,
because
people
are
doing
so
much
takeout
they're
just
inundated
with
this
stuff,
and
so
so
I
think
it's
actually
might
be
a
really
good
time
to
maybe
do
a
little
more
public
outreach
on
it
and
get
public
in
input
in
the
sense
of
maybe
we
do
like
a
little
survey
or
you
know
somehow
somehow
do
a
little
outreach
effort
to
get
a
broader
public
perspective
sort
of
like
they
did
with
desert
desert
community
energy
and
they
sort
of
pulled
the
public
to
say.
G
Would
you
pay
10
more
to
do
this
and
so
anyway?
So
I
think
that's
probably
what
we're
going
to
need
to
hear
to
move
this
forward.
Quite
honestly,
because
I
think
that
the
everybody
is
very
reluctant
right
now
to
put
more
burden
on
restaurants,
and
so
I
think
they're
they're,
not
necessarily
thinking
about
some
of
the
advantages
that
restaurants
could
have
from
maybe
switching
away
from
these
things.
G
So
so
again,
I'm
gonna
try
to
circle
back
with
council
member
hostage
and
mayor
coors,
who
were
both
really
good
about
actually
engaging
on
these
stakeholder
meetings,
so
they
they
heard
first
hand
yeah
we're
saying
so
so
anyway.
So
I
think
there's
definitely
there's
definitely
a
two
schools
of
thought
up
out
there
and
we
heard
a
little
bit
from
both
sides.
G
But
again,
since
the
restaurants
are
the
one
that's
that
are
going
to
have
to
implement
this,
I
think
the
council
members
are
will
really
weigh
their
input
very
heavily,
so
so
yeah.
So
I
think
I
think,
you're
right.
I
think
we
need
to
get
a
little
bit
broader
input
on
this
and
actually
get
a
little
public
support
behind
it.
Yeah.
F
I
think
that
would
help
the
restaurant
owners
feel
like
they
weren't
the
only
ones
responsible
right.
The
clientele
are
responsible
as
well
exactly
and
in
fact,
actually
to
be
honest
with
you.
The
idea
came
up
when
my
husband
said
well,
they
asked
me
if
I
wanted
utensils
and
I
said
no
and
I
thought
wow
they're
cool,
you
know
and
they
really
they're
putting
it
out.
There
he's
getting
it
back.
So
people
don't
know
if
they
can
ask
for
utensils
or
tell
them
not
to
give
utensils.
They
just
take
what
they
are
given.
B
G
G
All
right,
okay,
so
any
any
other
comments.
Questions
on
on
this
particular
topic
again
stay
tuned,
we'll
see
how
this
evolves
again,
I'll
try
to
circle
back
with
the
mayor
and
mayor
pratam,
so.
C
I'm
yeah
about
okay,
you've
got
something
sloppy
or
soupy,
that
would
be
plastic
kind
of
tupperware
type
containers
or
some
places
actually
we'll
use
a
screw
top
glass
jar,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
just
don't
see
why
there
would
have
to
be
this
exception
for
single-use
plastic
bags,
because
you've
got
some
liquid
things
that
are
already
wrapped.
So
we
get
back
into
this
taking
plastic
and
wrapping
the
plastic,
then
wrapping
all
of
that
plastic
and
then
wrapping
that
on
a
big,
pallet
and
shipping
it
in
another
plastic
thing.
C
So
I
mean
what
would
be
the
point
of
that
if
the
contain
you
know
why
not
use
a
a
structured
paper
bag,
it's
gonna
support,
whatever
other
foods,
which
might
also
be
soft
foods
or
crumbly
foods,
and
things
like
that
as
opposed
to
a
plastic
bag,
even
if
it
has
a
square
insert
in
the
bottom
of
the
plastic
bag.
They're
soft.
So
the
point
of
it,
which
I
think
it
is,
is
to
protect
the
food
and
not
to
have
you
know,
slop
draining
out.
C
I
think
a
structured
paper
bag
is
a
much
smarter
idea
and
once
you
start
saying
well,
we
can
use
plastic
bags
for
this,
but
not
for
everything
else.
It's
a
slippery
slope.
So,
just
no,
but
just
as
far
as
achieving
you
know
the
objective
of.
Why
would
you
want
you
know
these
liquid
things?
I
would
go
with
a
structured
paper
bag.
G
Or
yeah,
I
I
think
it
really
gets
down
to
the
the
type
of
container
for
the
purpose
like
like
getting
the
right
container
for
the
purpose
and
and
for
for
liquids,
then
it's
a
screw
top
or
it's
some
sort
of
a
lid
that
that
is
sealed.
So
so
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
that
we
we
could
certainly
make
an
argument.
B
B
G
H
F
But
anyway,
I
think
that
even
now,
whether
you
use
your
own
plastic
bag
when
you
go
to
the
grocery
store
or
you
use
their
plastic
bag,
you
know
it's
getting
to
be
mushy
because
I
don't
think
there's
any
data
that
really
supports
that
or
ever
did
support
it,
that
the
that
covered
virus
could
be
transmitted
in
that
way,
and
that
was
always
pretty
mushy.
I've
not
heard
anything
since
that
says
that
that
is
a
you
know
that
they've
found
that
to
be
contacting
to
be
transferred.
F
F
So
if
we
could
start
maybe
leading
the
way
in
that
and
say
hey,
you
know
everybody.
This
is
what
you
know.
The
state
says
about
picking
up
your
picking
up
a
food
item
in
a
plastic
bag
or
getting
your
groceries
in
a
plastic
bag.
You
know
we
need
to
kind
of
start
being
more
a
little
more
realistic
about
it.
I'm
a
big
mass
square
and
don't
worry
about
that,
but
the
there's
some
wiggle
room
now
we
know
more.
B
C
Also,
as
far
as
materials
go,
we
do
know
how
long
the
virus
can
last
on
different
types
of
services
plastics.
It
lasts
about
72
hours,
cotton
and
other
materials,
considerably
less
copper,
almost
not
at
all.
So
what
would
be
you
know
your
your
paper
bags
are
cellulose
from
wood
chips
and
things
like
that,
so
that's
going
to
be
less
less
of
a
chance
of
a
transmission
than
plastic
that
could
be
holding
you
know
if
anybody
sneezes
or
there's
some.
You
know
respiratory
spray
on
that
that
could
go
72
hours.
So
again.
C
G
All
right
well,
like
I
said
I
did
not
change
that
element
of
the
of
the
ordinance,
so
that's
still
in
there
so
we'll
see
how
that
fares
and
again
I'll
I'll
try
to
circle
back
with
the
mayor
may
approach
him
to
see
how
they
want
to
move
this
forward.
G
But
again,
I
liked
your
idea
lonnie
about
the
getting
maybe
some
public,
more
public
engagement
on
it,
because
I
know
that
certainly
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
from
the
public
has
been
very
supportive
in
the
in
the
limited
interaction
we've
had
so
all
right.
So
any
other
questions
on
that
all
right.
G
G
Yes,
another
old
business,
okay,
so
I
did
want
to
just
refer
you
guys
and
and
just
mention
the
the
report
from
our
consultant
koa
on
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory.
G
So
again,
that's
listed
as
one
of
our
first
priority
projects
under
our
climate
action
roadmap
is
that
we
revisit
our
climate,
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
and
so
the
good
news
is
they.
They
actually
finished
the
2010
update
of
that
document
and
they
updated
the
various
emissions
factors
so
that
they
could
make
it
comparable
to
more
current
assessment
so
that
we
were
comparing
apples
to
apples
and
the
good
news
is
even
though
some
things
went
up
and
some
things
went
down.
G
We
pretty
much
came
in
at
just
about
the
same
level
as
we
were
in
the
original
2010
assessment.
So
so
that's
good
news,
so
we
didn't
go
up
or
down
and
so
we're
about
the
same
place.
We
were
so
that
was
good,
and
so
now
we
actually
have
a
thing.
I
have
a.
G
F
To
know
what
some
of
the
issues
are,
if
they're
going
to
present
this
information
to
me,
they're
going
to
have
to
hear
some
stuff
back
because
they're
making
some
big
mistakes,
one
of
the
things
was
a
mistake
that
they
made
on
the
first
one.
If
you
don't
mind,
really
just
diagram,
it's
not
a
digression.
It's
point.
F
That's
why
we're
getting
rid
of
all
these
single-use
plastics,
it's
to
decrease
greenhouse
emissions
that
are
coming
from
our
landfill,
but
we're
not
telling
the
public
how
many
millions
of
of
tons
of
greenhouse
gases
are
coming
every
month
and
every
year
from
our
landfill
at
lamb,
canyon
and
we're
referring
back
to
our
old
defunct
since
2002
band
fill,
which
is
actually
on
eden
hill.
Now,
how
is
it
that
we're
doing.
G
So,
just
just
just
to
clarify
two
things,
so
the
the
landfill
that
they're
actually
referring
to
in
there
was
a
defunct
landfill
that
is
underneath
the
home
depot.
So
it's
not
edam
hill,
it's
it's
this!
It
was.
This
is
no
strange
rainfall
that
was
filled
in
and
cleaned
up
and
all
that.
So
so
there's
just
some
residual
emissions
from
that,
and
even
though
it
was
all
cleaned
up,
no
there's
a
lot.
G
G
It
is,
and
they
accounted
for
for
that
in
in
the
report.
The
the
other
thing
is
is
that
that
they
don't
account
for
landfills
outside
of
our
boundary,
and
so
all
of
those
other
landfills
are
outside
of
our
boundary.
They
do
account
for
the
waste
that
we
send
to
landfill,
and
so
they
have
emissions
factors
for
the
waste
that
is
gets
transferred
to
landfill
and
that's
what
they
include
in
that.
F
Well,
I
realize
that's
the
justification,
but
the
problem
is
is
that
we
lose
one
of
our
biggest
incentives,
the
biggest
motive
to
people
when
we
remove
that
kind
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
are
coming
from
land
canyon
and
have
been
and
are
going
up
exponentially
to
this
date
I
mean
I've
got
2010,
so
it's
55,
55,
000
tons
of
of
just
garbage
from
palm
springs,
was
put
there.
That
was
in
210
in
218.
F
F
G
So
so
the
I
I
got
that
just
literally
as
we
were
putting
the
agenda
package
together.
So
I
I
read
it
today,
so
so
what
with
a
plan
is
they?
I
had
hoped
that
they
would
be
a
little
further
along
with
the
whole
thing,
but
we're
still
collecting
some
data
points.
So
my
plan
is
to
have
a
more
robust
discussion
around
all
of
that
whenever
they
they
kind
of
complete
the
picture.
G
F
G
H
Can
I
raise
two
questions
or
comments
also
on
the
ghee
inventory
sure
one
thing
that
I
think
that's
useful
for
both
2010
and
2018
and
well,
but
if
they
could
refer
to
the
1990
baseline,
because
at
no
point
do
they
actually
refer
to
that,
and
so
I
had
to
go
back.
Unfortunately,
I
have
it
on
my
saved
on
my
hard
drive,
so
I
knew
where
to
get
it
to
the
night.
H
So
if
they
could
include
that
and
then
also
whether
it's
2010
or
20
18
whatever
it
is,
but
include
the
information.
That's
in
the
climate
action,
a
roadmap
at
least
staff
report
to
really
talk
about
the
state
goals
of
by
2020,
even
with
1990,
looks
like
that's
probably
achieved,
certainly
with
dce
and
then
40
below
1990
levels
by
2030
and
80
below
1990
levels
by
2050
and
some
form
of
graph.
H
So
that
is,
I
think,
you
know
to
sort
of
say
where
we
are
and
and
trend
analysis,
and
that
also
raises
the
question
that
since
they
adjusted
the
2010
numbers,
do
they
need
to
go
back
to
the
1990
numbers
or
99?
Okay,
because
the
two
of
them
ended
up
being
they
sort
of.
It
was
one
basket
from
the
other
and
ended
up
pretty
close
to
being
the
same
number.
I
assume
that
they'd
be
sufficiently
comfortable,
but
that's
the
result
they
would
get
in
1990.
H
G
H
On
that
yeah
and
then
I
have
another
question,
and
I
think
you
might
probably
know
the
answer
based
on
what
the
comment
that
just
just
had
not
in
2010
but
in
2014
the
sentinel
peaking
plant
opened.
H
I
checked
the
city
map,
that's
roughly
a
couple
of
hundred
feet
north
of
the
city
limit,
so
it's
not
in
the
city
limits,
but
it's
kind
of
the
point
that
lonnie
was
raising
about.
You
know
what
happens
for
these
emissions,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
going
to
be
able
to
sort
of
figure
that
out
or
whether
they
look
at
the
eir
or
they
take
well.
The
percentage
of
palm
springs
use
for
that.
But
you
know
if
it
were
a
couple
hundred
feet
south
that
would
be
in
our
city.
H
It's
just
not
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
how
they're
going
to
sort
of
account
for
that,
but
obviously
with
the
peaker
plants
running
full
blast,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
emissions
that
are
coming
out
of
that
plan
right
now.
So
if
you
could
raise
that
sort
of
figure
out
just
what
their
methodology
is
to
include
to
include
it,
maybe
footnote
it
somewhere.
H
So
that
people
know
exactly
how
that
is
because
it's
a
lot
closer
to
the
city
limits
than
everything
it
says
or
not
springs,
but
it's
you
know,
probably
a
quarter
mile,
just
north
of
the
city
of
it.
Okay,
I
can
ask
about
that.
So
those
are
my
two
main
comments
on
the
inventory.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
could
go.
B
G
All
right
save
it
for
our
call
all
right.
So
again
I
will.
I
will
arrange
for
a
separate
phone
call
with
them
I'll
ask
them
these
questions,
but
but
again
I'll
I'll.
Let
you
guys
know
when
that
is
so.
G
We
can
provide
them
some
with
some
additional
questions,
so
so
with
regard
to
the
larger
climate
action
staff
report
and
the
road
map,
so
we've
been
working
through
the
solar
and
green
building
subcommittee
to
explore
some
of
these
ideas
with
regard
to
additional
actions
that
the
city
could
be
taking,
and
so
really
that
is.
G
The
purpose
of
this
staff
report
is
to
kind
of
provide
council
with
an
update
about
what
we've
done,
what
we
plan
to
do,
what
we're
researching
and
and
just
make
sure
that
they're
on
the
same
page
about
where
we're
going
with
all
of
this,
and
so
in
particular,
there
were
a
few
research
items
that
are
related
to
emissions
from
homes
that
the
subcommittee
has
been
researching
and
looking
into,
and
david
primarily
has
been
assessing
kind
of
cost
effectiveness,
and
so
we
landed
on
a
few
items
that
that
seem
like
they're
cost,
effective
things
and
things
that
would
be
fairly
easy
to
do,
and
so
those
things
are
included
in
here
as
additional
research
items
that
we
think
have
some
promise
and
again
we
wanted
to
get
the
councils.
G
I
guess
okay
for
continuing
to
research,
those
because
we
would
need
to
do
some
additional
outreach
and
engagement
and
some
analysis
on
that
to
kind
of
make
those
happen
and
also
let
them
know
about
the
things
that
would
require
a
lot
of
effort
if
we
were
going
to
pursue
them,
and
so
we
listed
a
few
of
those
as
well.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
the
gist
of
the
staff
report
and
I
will
let
david
you
want
to
chime
in.
You
did
a
separate
memo
on
this.
G
H
Because
we're
already
on
topic-
and
that's
fine,
so
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
memo
which
is
towards
the
end
of
the
agenda
packet,
the
what
I
did
and
it's
kind
of
the
approach
that
was
taken
with
all
the
work
that
patrick
and
scower
have
been
doing
on.
The
plastics
is
that
just
as
many
cities
and
counties
have
adopting
their
own
plastic
ordinances,
they've
been
doing
the
same
thing
for
what
we
call
reach
codes
which
go
beyond
the
state.
H
Minimum
safe
sets
building
codes
and,
in
our
case,
the
energy
code
with
building
energy
efficiency
that
gets
updated
every
three
years,
just
the
update
just
occurred
in
january,
but
while
there's
the
minimum,
you
can
always
go
beyond
that.
So
they're
close
to
this
point,
30
cities
and
counties
that
have
gone
beyond
the
state
code
generally,
the
energy
commission
has
to
approve
those
changes
and-
and
the
commission
has
has
been
approving
them.
So
what
I
did
was
I
and
there's
a
table
which
actually
is.
It
is
an
attachment
back
in.
H
There's
a
cut
there,
you
go
there,
so
if
you
get
a
chance
to
look
at
that,
that's
just
from
last
week,
and
that
is
a
list
of
all
the
cities
and
counties
that
have
done
what
we
call
reach
codes
beyond
code
for
the
things
that
they're
doing
so
I
took
that
a
lot
of
materials
that
are
there
and
then
what
I
did
was
I
applied
sort
of
what
all
the
other
cities
and
counties
are
doing.
How
would
that
work
in
our
climate
zone
for
the
desert?
H
It's
called
climate
zone
15,
california,
is
divided
into
15
climate
zones
and
we're
in
15.,
and
there
are
reports
that
are
provided
for
the
energy
commission
for
them
to
approve
the
new
reach
codes.
So
I
also
patrick
you
want
to
jump
back
up.
I
think
that's
also
the
annex,
sorry
about
that,
for
you
going
back
and
forth.
Oh,
oh
there
we
go
great
okay.
So
what
this
is?
H
Forgive
me
the
footnotes
is
that
you
can
sort
of
look
at
the
table
is
going
through
probably
a
dozen
different
cost-effectiveness
reports
and
then
identifying
the
ones
that
have
the
most
bang
for
the
buck.
If
you
will
for
palm
springs,
so
these
are
essentially
what
I
would
call
on
bill
benefits
and
costs.
How
much
is
the
initial
equipment
going
to
cost
you
for
the
upfront
outlay
and
then
over
the
generally
30-year
life
cycle?
How
much
are
you
going
to
save,
and
then
you
see
the
ratio
there.
H
One
point
that
patrick,
I
will
add
to
the
footnote,
but
obviously
it's
something.
That's
common.
H
That's
been
made
a
lot
of
the
agency
workshops
last
couple
of
weeks
that
these
are
on
bill
numbers,
so
they
don't
include
the
social
costs
of
health
issues
that
we're
all
dealing
with
the
forest
burning,
the
you
know
the
trees
going
up
in
flames,
so
there
are
lots
of
costs,
and
that
was
also
the
point
that
was
raised
in
the
memo
once
again
at
the
back
at
the
end,
that
came
out
last
week
from
ucr
about
how
this
is
a
direct
cost
to
the
coachella
valley
because
of
the
lack
of
tourism.
H
So
that's
sort
of
the
methodology
of
what
I
did.
There
are
three
issues:
three
measures
that
I
identified
that
I
recommended
in
the
draft
roadmap.
That
patrick
was
referring
to
the
staff
report
for
prioritized
research.
Once
again,
thank
you,
patrick
for
jumping
up
and
down.
So
you
can
see
those
are
the
underlying
areas:
they're,
cool
roofs,
making
your
roofs,
bounce
off
the
sun,
a
lot
more.
H
I
and
my
neighbor,
and
I
think
a
bunch
of
people
already
have
that
they
are
exceedingly
cost
effective
to
make
the
roofs
more
more,
more
reflective,
so
that
the
heat
doesn't
penetrate
into
your
into
your
living
area,
also
when
you're
doing
a
retrofit
and
when
it
is
not
already
required
by
code.
H
In
many
cases
you
have
to
add
additional
insulation
for
your
deck
work,
but
if
that's
not
required
by
code
over
a
certain
threshold-
and
I
suggested
a
hundred
thousand-
it
could
be-
you
know
sixty
thousand
or
some
other
number,
but
for
a
major
retrofit
spend
an
extra
couple
hundred
dollars
thousand
dollars.
You
get
a
lot
of
benefit
for
having
insulation
and
also
some
better
water
insulation
on
that
and
then
the
final
one
is
not
a
direct
benefit,
but
that
would
be
pre-wiring.
H
So
that
for
new
construction,
when
they're
already
going
in
and
adding
the
wiring,
they
add
an
electric
plug
for
for
for
for
for
cooking
in
your
potential
electric
range,
also
for
electric
dryer
batteries,
which
a
lot
of
people
are
now
wanting
to
see
and
also
a
slightly
upgraded
wiring
for
a
potential
heat
pump,
water
heater,
which
are
becoming
more
relevant
prevalent
now.
So
those
are
the
three
areas
where
they
have
the
least
cost
and
or
the
highest
benefit
cost
ratio.
H
Where
I
would
like
to
proceed,
you
know,
of
course,
the
council
direction
with
additional
outreach
to
some
builders,
and
you
know
some
other
people
just
to
get
some
some
experience
just
to
confirm
these
are
statewide
numbers,
but
there's
a
there's,
some
more
outreach.
That
would
need
to
be
done.
A
research
and
outreach
to
do
that.
Commissioner,
flanagan's
raised
a
very
good
question
on
roofs.
Do
we
have
materials,
so
the
roofers
local
hoopers
have
those
materials
that
fit
in
with
the
palm
springs?
Architectural
styles?
H
I
don't
know
the
answer
that
question
and
that
would
be
a
very
good
example
of
the
additional
outreach
that
we
would
need
to
do
and
if
the
answer
is
well,
we
don't
really
have
those
materials
that
fit
in
with
our
houses,
then
that
would
drop,
but
that's
sort
of
a
good
example
of
the
of
the
reach,
outreach
and
research
that
we
need
to
be
done
to
sort
of
localize
these.
H
So
what
I
would
ask
for
the
commission
is
just
to
sort
of
that's
the
approach
to
sort
and
we
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
continue
with
that
approach
to
council.
So
I
don't
know
patrick
if
this
is
a
formal
vote
or
sense
of
the
commission.
That
sort
of
this
is
kind
of
a
short-term
road
map.
If
you
will
of
areas
that
I
want
to
do
some
more
researches.
As
patrick
correctly
noted,
there
are
a
lot
more
actions
which
are
a
lot
more
involved
that
a
lot
of
cities
and
counties
have
adopted.
H
But
if
we
want
to
go
that
route
as
directed
by
council
they'd
have
to
bring
in
a
consultant.
So
I'm
not
recommending
those
at
this
point.
That
would
be
to
further
direction
from
council
and
they'd
have
to
you
know,
get
get,
get
some
help
for
us
to
sort
of
do
some
of
those
issues.
A
H
So
if
everyone
is
okay
with
it,
then
that
would
be
great
and
patrick
just
I
know
you've
got
so
much
work
and
obviously
this
has
to
go
to
council,
but
I
have
a
very
good
idea
of
the
missing
sort
of
the
gaps
and
I
think
I
would
be
able
to
do
most,
if
not
all,
of
the
outreach,
because
I
know
you
know
who
to
contact
and
what
the
questions
are
and
so
just
sort
of.
H
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you
all
very
much.
This
is
a
lot
of
work,
but
this
is
just
a
question
of
you
know.
What
can
we
be
doing?
The
the
forests
are
burning.
We
can't
breathe
the
air
we
need
to
move
forward,
and
these
are
the
things
that
we
can
sort
of.
You
know
move
forward
the
most
quickly
on.
H
G
So
I
I
would
just
mention
the-
and
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this.
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
may
be
getting
lost
in
some
of
these
conversations
there's
lots
of
ideas
out
there
to
do
more
with
regard
to
climate
action
and
the
there
have
has
been
certainly
a
significant
level
of
effort
put
forward
to
launch
desert
community
energy
and
maintain
its
implementation.
G
So
I
think
people
need
to
not
lose
sight
of
the
amount
of
effort
that,
in
its
of
itself,
is
taking
and
continues
to
take.
So
so
I
think
that's
one
thing
to
just
keep
in
mind
as
we
go
forward
with
this.
That
is
a
significant
action
and
a
significantly
bold
action
that
this
city
took
and
that
it
has
a
significant
impact
on
on
our
emissions.
So
so
I'm
going
to
be
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
the
projections
are
for
that
impact.
G
When
we
do
the
kind
of
look
ahead
for
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
so
hopefully
we'll
have
a
good
story
to
tell
there
as
well.
H
Yeah
the
rough
projection
that
came
when
the
council,
the
tom
kirk
brought
to
council,
was
roughly
a
27
reduction
and
that
was
pre-launched.
So
it
may
be
a
little
bit
less,
but
we're
probably
enough.
Hopefully
you
know
continuing
to
talk
in
the
20s.
You
know
in
the
20
and
that's
that's
a
very,
very
large,
and
I
do
agree
with
you
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
these
other
sort
of
big
ticket
items
about
electrification.
I
could
I'll
discuss
that
in
the
dc.
H
B
All
right,
yes,
new.
G
Business,
so
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
back
in.
I
think
it
was
either
january
or
february
when
we
met.
I
had
talked
about
the
need
to
develop
an
ordinance
to
help
us
be
able
to
enforce
our
organics
and
recycling
requirements
for
commercial
businesses
and
for
multi-family
complexes
in
particular.
G
G
So
so
what
we
wanted
to
do,
essentially
at
the
urging
of
the
state,
is
to
develop
an
ordinance
that
essentially
just
reflects
their
state
requirements
so
that
we
would
have
an
enforcement
mechanism
to
go
after
folks
if
they
did
not
refuse
to
comply
with
these
laws.
G
G
Asked
us
to
compel
people
to
comply
with
this
ordinance
by
essentially
providing
them
the
service,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
they
ask
for
it
so
so
like,
for
instance,
if
you're
a
restaurant
and
you're
generating
two
cubic
yards
of
waste
a
week,
then
you
get
a
green
bin,
regardless
of
whether
you
or
not
you
want
one,
and
so
I
am
going
to
be
working
with
palm
street's
disposal
to
to
kind
of
understand
how
we
might
implement
such
a
requirement
and
what
the
implications
of
that
might
be
and
kind
of
work
through
that
process.
F
F
G
B
F
In
here
about
the
the
green
waste
versus
the
food
waste-
and
that
is
yes,
yes,
I
mean
this
is
a
proposed.
F
Screen
here,
david
presented
that
I
think
that
this
no,
what
is
the
intent
as
far
as
the
green
waste
is
concerned,
there's
two
kinds
of
green
waste.
First
of
all,
you
know
there's
the
the
landscaping
waste
and
then
there's
food
waste,
and
it's
not
made
very
clear
in
here
at
all.
In
fact,
we
have
a
you
know
in
an
ordinance
that
looked
like
a
here.
It
is
yeah,
it's
an
ordinance
number
blank
yep
and
it
is
it's
regarding
reusable
foods.
No,
that's
not.
It.
G
Sure
so
so
let
me
back
up
so
back
in,
like
I
said
in
january
or
february,
when
we
talked,
I
mentioned
the
fact
that,
despite
a
lot
of
outreach
in
the
fall
to
get
people
to
comply
with
our
recycling
and
organics
recurrent
organics
requirements,
they
were
still
not
in
compliance,
and
so
we
were
asked
by
the
state
or
suggested
by
this
by
the
state
that
we
get
an
ordinance
in
place.
G
That
would
allow
us
to
enforce
the
state's
organic
waste
and
solid
waste
recycling
requirements
that
are
currently
in
ab341
and
1826
are
the
two,
the
two
laws
that
that
are
that
codify
the
different
requirements
for
recycling
and
organics
for
commercial
businesses.
G
So
all
of
these
requirements
relate
to
the
commercial
business
compliance,
and
so
essentially,
this
is
the
thing
that
requires
a
business
to
have
a
recycling
bin
and
to
have
an
organics
management
system,
whether
it's
a
green
waste
system
for
like
multi-family
complexes
or
a
food
waste
or
green
waste
management
system.
For
other
businesses,
like
maybe
a
restaurant,
so
both
of
those
things
have
state
mandated
triggers
in
terms
of
the
thresholds
for
the
waste
that
triggers
the
the
threshold.
G
For
having
to
comply
with
those
requirements,
so,
for
example,
if
any
business
generates
now
more
than
two
cubic
yards
of
general
waste
a
week,
then
they
have
to
either
show
that
they
are
exempt
for
whatever
reason
or
they
have
to
have
a
recycling
or
and
or
organics
management
service
in
place.
G
So
that's
what
this
ordinance
is
basically
designed
to
do.
It's
designed
it's
literally
the
state
language
for
these
requirements,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
just
tried
to
put
it
into
our
code
so
that
we
could
refer
to
that
and
we
could
enforce
against
that
if
people
are
in
violation
of
it
so
right
now,
all
we
can
do
is
issue
them
a
letter
to
say
you're
out
of
compliance
and
keep
telling
them
they're
out
of
compliance
and
then
asking
them
to
comply
and
then
giving
them
tools
to
comply.
G
But
again
we
can't
do
anything
more
than
that,
because
we
don't
have
an
ordinance
in
place
and
one
of
the
one
of
our
biggest
challenges
is
quite
honestly
is
multi-family
complexes
yeah.
G
They
often
come
back
with
an
excuse
about
not
having
enough
space
or
something
like
that.
So
a
lot
of
them,
some
of
them
don't
even
have
recycling
bins
for
their
residents,
and
so
that's
something
we
definitely
want
to
correct,
and
one
of
the
things
I
talked
to
our
planning
folks
about
was
two
things.
G
So
one
was
making
sure
that
we
update
our
planning
code
requirements
so
such
that
they
can
accommodate
bins
for
green
waste,
for
recycling
and
for
for
solid
waste
and
where
they
have
capacity
issues
because
of
parking
space
requirements
because
of
planning
requirements.
G
G
G
G
Well,
we
I
mean
we
have
outlets
for
food
waste
and
for
green
waste
right
now,
and
there
is
more
capacity
coming
online.
This
fall,
so
we.
G
Downtown
this
is
not
the
same
thing
this
this.
It
hasn't
even
entered
the
discussion
where
it's
going,
so
this
is
really
just
to
get
something
on
paper
that
we
could
actually
ask
people
to
do
this
and
have
some
some.
I
don't
know
some
authority
behind
that.
A
G
G
Yeah
so,
and
so
this
is
just
the
current
requirement,
it
is
not
1383
which
is
coming
out
in
2022,
which
is
gonna
include
residential,
which
is
really
where
the
capacity
issue
and
question
is
gonna
really
come
into
play
when
we
start
expanding
it
to
that.
So
so
this
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
where
the
stuff
goes.
It
really
just
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
people
have
to
collect
it
on
site.
G
So
the
the
like,
I
like
I
mentioned
that
the
state
is
very
adamant
that
we
be
in
compliance
with
this
law
by
the
end
of
next
year
and
so
again,
we're
going
to
be
working
with
psts,
to
kind
of
develop
some
sort
of
a
strategy
for
outreach
and
for
incentives
and
for
all
kinds
of
other
things
to
to
make
sure
that
that
everybody
that
can
comply
does
comply
because
they're,
looking
at
this
as
the
precursor
to
sb
1383,
which
will
be
the
even
bigger
organics
management
requirement
from
the
state,
so
they
want
to
make
sure
everybody's
complying
with
the
existing
law
before
the
new
one
comes
out.
G
So
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
in
this
ordinance.
So
one
thing
is
that
the
the
trigger
the
current
trigger
for
compliance
with
this
law
is
two
cubic
yards
or
more
of
commercial
solid
waste
per
week.
So
that
is
not
a
lot
of
waste,
that's
generated,
so
it
used
to
be
four
cubic
yards
per
week,
and
so
the
universe
just
potentially
got
bigger
in
terms
of
who
needs
to
comply
with
this.
G
So
that's
another
thing
that
I'm
working
with
psds
to
figure
out
is
to
determine
how
kind
of
you
know
how
many
new
businesses
are
going
to
have
to
kind
of
figure
this
out
and
what
is
the
implication
there
for
their
compliance.
So
so
we're
we're
kind
of
dealing
with
that
and
I've
included
the
new
cubic
yard
requirement
in
here
in
this
ordinance
to
reflect
the
new
state
direction.
G
And
then
the
other
thing
that
is
in
here
is
the
it's.
It's
called
aba
27,
which
actually
came
out
late
last
year
and
requires
businesses
to
have
collection
containers
for
recycling
and
for
organic
materials
that
people
consume
on
site
if
they
have
to
comply
with
this
law.
So,
in
other
words,
it's
not
just
good
enough
that
they
collect
things
in
the
back
of
the
house,
but
they
also
need
to
have
collection
bins
in
the
front
of
the
house.
If
people
manage
their
own
waste
so
like.
G
So
again,
I
think
this
is
another
part
of
the
law
that
that
most
businesses
are
not
paying
attention
to
right
now,
especially
because
there's
so
little
dine
in,
and
so
this
is
going
to
be
another
educational
moment
for
a
lot
of
businesses
out
there.
So
yeah
bonnie.
F
The
reason
I'm
asking
about
specifically
the
food
waste
is
that
in
when
food
waste
for
commercial
food
waste
is
recycled
through
your
wastewater
treatment
plant,
it
starts
us
with
the
assumption
that
it
will
need
to
be
sorted
and
that
you
don't
count
on.
You
can't
count
on
somebody
at
the
commercial
end
doing
that
sorting,
because
what
you
need
is
you
need
a
a
raw
feedstock
that
is
99
carbon.
F
So
that's
how
it
works
is
that
that
you
gotta,
I
can
show
you
the
schematic.
It's
a
beautiful
thing,
just
it's!
It
uses
a
lot
of.
It
employs
a
number
of
people
and
those
people
are
sorting
through
and
there's
a
truck
of
stuff
and
it's
all
taken
down
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
put
in
a
higher
volume
sort
of
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
with
all
the
oil
and
carbon
etc.
F
They
put
out
a
very
high
quality
of
cng
or
whatever
you
want,
but
we've
we've
got
our
system
all
we
just
have
to
throw
some
money
and
we've
got
to
get
some
money
for
it,
and
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
these.
I'm
not
going
to
go
bug
these
people
downtown.
I
realize
that
chris
is
taking
that
stuff
and
dumping
it
in
with
the
with
the
organic
stuff
that
he
takes
to
the
the
greenway,
the
landscape
waste.
That's
what
he's
doing
with
it.
I.
G
B
B
H
F
G
But
that
is
that
is
not.
The
purpose
of
this
particular
ordinance
is
not
to
address
that
that
aspect
of
the
problem,
this
this
ordinance
is
really
designed
to
get
people
to
comply
with
the
law,
and
so
again
we're
going
to
be
working
with
psds,
to
figure
out
a
lot
of
the
other
components
of
this
and
of
organics
management
in
general
as
we
move
towards
1383,
and
so
that
is
part
of
the
larger
discussion
that
we'll
have
around
these
these
issues.
G
But
this,
this
ordinance
is
basically
just
to
put
in
place
something
to
allow
us
to
enforce
the
law
that
the
state
has
has
has
dictated.
G
So
yeah,
so
the
thing
the
thing
that
they're
asking
us
to
do
essentially
is
to
make
sure
that
we
are
at
100
compliance
with
this
law
or
these
laws
by
the
end
of
next
year,
because
at
the
end
of
next
year
is
when
1383
will
kick
in
in
2022.
So.
F
F
I
think
it
needs
to
just
like
the
single-use
plastic
has
been
ramped
out
now
to
july.
Whatever
you
know
next
year,
we
need
to
do
the
same
thing
with
this
kind
of
a
you
know.
We
need
to
really
get
down
into
the
nitty-gritty,
not
just
put
a
band-aid
on
it
and
pretend
that
it's
fixed
we've
got.
These
is
seriously
even
if
it's
not
fixed
right
now,
we
can
say
well.
This
is
what
we've
done
and
we're
going
to
not
waste
our
time
with
stuff.
F
G
So
it's
it's
been
quite
honestly,
a
real
struggle
in
engaging
with
the
state
on
these
issues
and
sb
1383
in
particular
there
there
is
no
room
for
discussion
with
regard
to
moving
dates
or
kind
of
meeting
people
where
they
are.
There
just
seems
to
be
a
very
really
strong
mandate
to
to
get
it
done
so.
G
So
that
would
be
part
of
honestly
our
staff
report
that
would
go
along
with
this
to
kind
of
just
explain
where
we're
at
the
other
thing.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
council
understood
is
that
this,
this
law
and
the
need
to
comply
with
this
law
is
gonna
hit
the
same
people
that
were
hitting
on
the
plastics
front.
G
So
so
we're
going
to
be
asking
them
to
do
a
lot
in
the
next
year.
So
not
only
are
we
asking
them
to
rethink
their
their
disposables
and
reusables,
and
all
that
we're
also
asking
them
and
making
them
essentially
have
all
of
this
organic
stuff
in
place
in
in
recycling,
combine
their
own
containers
right.
So
that
would
help
them
a
lot
in
in
terms
of.
G
G
G
We
need
to
do
almost
like
a
sustainability
assessment
for
every
business
to
meet
with
them
to
see
what
they
do
to
see,
how
they
do
it
to
get
resources
to
give
them
technical
assistance
to
give
them
financial
assistance
to
to
help
them
come
into
compliance
with
all
of
these
things,
but
I
think
it
it
has
to
do
with
this.
It
has
to
do
if,
if
that
plastics
thing
goes
forward,
it
would
have
to
do
with
that.
G
It
has
to
do
with
perhaps
energy
consumption
lots
of
people
concerned
about
their
energy
bills
these
days
so
anyway,
so
I
think,
there's
there's
a
whole
campaign
that
could
be
done
around
outreach
to
these
businesses
to
help
them
comply
as
opposed
to
kind
of
enforcing
the
mandate
part
of
it,
but
rather
helping
them
kind
of
move
along
into
compliance
and
through
assistance
methods.
So
that's
that's
where
my
head
is
so.
F
C
Most
cases
in
the
past
of
here
in
california
of
when
we
stopped
doing
backyard
incineration.
C
That
was
difficult
for
some
people,
but
we
accepted
it
and
then,
when
we
had
to
separate
our
garbage-
and
you
had
to
put
it
in
colored
containers
or
have
plastic
bags,
these
were
things
that
people
adapted
to
fairly
quickly.
Instead
of
just
a
metal
can
and
all
your
trash
went
out
there,
it
didn't
take
people
very
long
to
make
that
adaptation.
C
So
I
wouldn't
underestimate
people,
you
know
the
publics
and,
and
customers
and
businesses
ability
to
do
this,
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
the
trick
is
to
engage
and
to
make
it
based
on
education
and
all
of
the
good
reasons
why
we
want
to
go
forward
with
this,
but
not
make
it
punitive
or
something
that's
being
forced
on
on
them.
It
has
to
be
purposeful
and
that
people
you
know,
share
that.
It
won't
work
and
it's
it's
education.
C
F
C
G
G
So
I
want
to
kind
of
close
this
conversation,
so
with
regard
to
this
ordinance
language,
I
want
to
just
make
sure
that
see
if
anybody
else
has
any
questions
about
it,
because
I
want
to
move
it
forward
to
council
so
that
we
can
get
it
on
the
books
so
that
we
can
start
moving
this
forward.
A
Can
we
take
a
vote
on
it?
Yeah.
H
Patrick,
if
I
just
won
one
point,
I
think
for
the
staff
report,
so
just
just
to
make
sure
that
the
council
understands
that
multi-family
residents
are
included
in
the
definition
of
business
yeah,
because
the
ordinance
talks
about
business
all
the
point.
But
when
you
read
the
definition,
it
also
includes
it's
somewhat
well
more
than
somewhat
counter-intuitive.
H
The
business
is
multi-family
residential,
I.e,
everything
with
single-family
home.
So
that's
right,
big
ticket
item,
for
the
reasons
that
you
discussed,
but
I
think
it's
worth
highlighting
in
the
staff
report.
So
the
council
doesn't
sort
of
skip
over
the
definition
and
realize
that
business
actually
doesn't
mean
just
business
yeah.
G
A
So
do
you
have
anything
else
to
present
patrick
or
should
we
take
a
vote?
Take
a
look,
so
we
really
need
a
motion
to
approve
this
draft
ordinance
to
take
it
forward
to
city
council.
Would
somebody
like
to
make
that
motion.
A
A
This
is
just
a
mechanism
to
help
us
to
comply
by
the
end
of
next
year
and
certainly
there's
a
lot
more
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
as
we
go
forward,
especially
with
1383
coming
in
question.
G
Sorry
I
mean
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
more
with
this.
The
the
goal
was
to
really
just
get
something
on
paper
so
that
we
could
be
in
compliance
or
or
enforce
compliance
with
the
state
law.
G
And
so
when
we
go
beyond
the
state
law
is
when
it
gets
a
little
bit
more
tricky
in
terms
of
you
know,
are
we
asking
people
to
do
other
things,
in
which
case
all
right,
then
we're
going
to
get
into
this
whole
stakeholder
engagement,
loop
and
and
again,
that's
fine
if
we
want
to
do
that,
but
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
significantly
when
we
go
through
with
1383,
which
is
going
to
be
next
spring,
we're
going
to
start
start
that
whole
ordinance
development
process.
G
F
G
G
All
right,
so
the
only
other
new
business
item
was
ev
charging
stations.
We
did.
Let's
see
I
I
worked
with
I'm
sorry.
Back
in
march
there
was
a
a
staff
report
that
was
developed
by
planning
to
streamline
our
ev
charging
permitting
process
in
compliance
with
the
state
law
again,
and
so
that
that
topic
was
pulled
because
of
covid.
G
That's
when
covet
hit,
and
so
we've
asked
planning
to
bring
that
back
to
the
table,
hopefully
at
the
september
meeting,
and
so
I'm
kind
of
keeping
an
eye
out
for
that.
But
that's
gonna
be
coming
back
to
their
consideration
and
I
don't
see
any
problem
with
that.
Passing
again.
It's
to
comply
with
the
state
law
requirement
for
for
facilitating
that
that
that
process
and
then
the
only
other
thing
on
new
business.
G
So
the
as
I
think
I
mentioned
on
the
last
call-
we
had
planned
to
update
the
sustainability
plan
in
2021,
which
is
coming
up,
and
so
the
integration
with
this,
the
general
plan
is
kind
of
important,
and
so
we
want
to
to
have
a
small
group
of
you
help
out
with
trying
to
think
through
how
that
integration
happens.
G
What
are
how
we
should
update
our
strategic
plan
and
what
that
might
look
like
in
a
more
integrated
environment,
we
had
a
little
taste
of
that
with
the
plan
general
plan
priorities
discussion
I
thought
which
went
pretty
well,
so
we
wanted
to
just
have
a
committee
that
we
could
go
to
for
a
more
forward-looking
conversation
around
strategy
and
future
future
priorities,
and
things
like
that.
B
H
I'd
like
to
be
part
of
that
committee,
I
there's
a
lot
of
stuff,
as
I
mentioned,
that's
driven
by
climate
change
and
the
state
requirements
and
all
of
these
working
groups
have
a
lot
of
materials.
So
saves
you
and
david
time
that
I
have.
I
can
send
a
lot
of
materials
on
these
issues,
so
I'd
like
to
serve
as
a
resource
for
that,
because
it's
really
important.
So
that's,
okay,
I'd
love
to
be
part
of
that
group.
All
right.
I
I
also
would
be
like
to
be
part
of
the
group,
but
I'm
wondering
since
I
term
out
in
either
january
or
february
next
year
is,
is
that
too
short
a
time
frame
for
this.
I
G
Okay,
that's
great
and
so
again
we'll
we'll
think
through
as
a
subgroup
and
we'll
bring
stuff
back
to
the
committee,
full
commission,
all
that
good
stuff.
So
so
that's
good!
We
can
kind
of
get
started
on
that,
maybe
october
time
frame
so
start
talking
about
it.
B
A
That
then
finishes
new
business
and
move
on
to
subcommittee,
and
commissioner
reports
I'd
just
like
to
do
a
little
bit
of
a
time
check
here.
It's
almost
7
30..
We
probably
won't
go
as
long
as
the
council
normally
does,
but
we're
running
close
to
our
normal
limit.
So
I
think
we've
covered
some
of
the
things
in
the
subcommittee
and
commissioner
reports
already,
so
we
can
probably
go
through
them
pretty
quickly,
but
let's,
let's
move
on
so
the
first
one
is
the
standing
subcommittee
and
solar
and
green
building
and.
H
I
will
be
quick
because
a
lot
we
already
discussed
that
it's
in
the
report,
which
is
in
the
package.
So
two
points
is:
I've
started
working
it
on
the
statewide
reach
code.
Working
group
and
sc
has
invited
me
to
participate
in
a
webinar
on
the
29th
september,
29th
two
days,
two
weeks
from
today
from
noon
to
one
so
to
talk
about
the
work
we're
doing
here
in
palm
springs
in
that
area,
as
we
just
discussed
so
I'll
send
patrick.
H
I
have
the
draft
invitation
I'll,
send
you
that
and
then
they'll
send
you
the
formal
invitation
with
the
microsoft
teams
links
when
that's
available
so
and
second
point
hot
off
the
press
as
part
of
the
work
that
I
did
a
few
years
ago
on
the
soul,
smart,
a
program
where
he
got
a
gold,
designation,
patrick
and
I
have
a
call
scheduled
on
tuesday
afternoon
with
national
renewable
energy
lab
part
of
the
department
of
energy
and
that's
to
discuss
a
solar
permitting
app
that
they're
developing
to
see
whether
that
would
we
can
use
that
as
a
way
of
speeding
up
the
solar
permitting
process.
H
G
Yes,
so
sorry,
I
forgot
to
include
that
report
in
your
packet,
but
I
sent
it
around
to
everybody
and
the
only
other
thing
I'll
mention
is
to
just
reiterate:
sp
1383
is
coming
and
we
are
really
focusing
with
psds
on
trying
to
get
ready
for
that
and
our
first
big
task
is
to
probably
renegotiate
their
franchise
agreement,
and
so
we're
going
to
start
that,
probably
the
month
of
october
and
then
that
will
lead
into
the
ordinance
that
we
developed
that
reflects
1383
requirements
and
the
state
has
finally
released
the
tools,
the
compliance,
the
assistance
tools
for
all
of
those
things
just
today.
G
So
hopefully
we
have
some
templates,
we
can
work
with
and
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
that'll
be
helpful
moving.
So
that's
all
I
have
to.
B
A
Thank
you.
The
next
is
standing
subcommittee
on
today.
Jennifer's,
not
here,
is
there
anything
that
sandra
or
greg
have
to
say.
I
know
that
we
didn't
have
world
environment
day.
Obviously,
but
there
was
a
photo.
An
art
contest.
C
There
were
some
some
virtual
local
art
initiatives
that
they
were
able
to
do
that,
primarily
through
jennifer
and
and
through
her
contacts.
It
was
very
disappointing,
though,
what
because
we
had
really
put
together-
and
we
had
some
wonderful
supports,
so
unfortunately
virus
kind
of
interrupted-
all
of
that
so
but
we
did,
we
did
make
a
showing
and
we're
there
on
the
map.
C
So
hopefully,
hopefully
next
year,
we'll
have
a
more
rousing
showing
and
maybe
be
able
to
realize
some
of
the
contacts
that
we
were
able
to
make
this
year.
So.
A
Thank
you
sandra
next
is
the
ad
hoc
subcommittee
on
earth
day
and
what
we
put
in
the
agenda
here
was
proposing
to
dissolve
the
current
ad
hoc
subcommittee,
because
there
really
wouldn't
be
any
shouldn't,
be
any
action
this
time
of
year,
but
then
to
create
a
new
ad
hoc
subcommittee
early
in
2021
for
earth
day.
A
G
So
as
we
speak
or
as
we
spoke,
the
contractor
was
doing
a
little
briefing
for
1ps
to
give
them
a
little
update
on
the
project
and
let
them
know
that
it's
starting
and
that
we
will
be
engaging
a
an
advisory
committee
here
in
the
coming
months.
G
I
met
with
the
subcommittee
last
month
and
we
talked
through
some
of
the
outreach
materials
and
some
of
the
fact
sheets,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
after
the
meeting
tonight
with
1ps
we're
going
to
do
a
little
communications
rollout
for
that
effort
and
share
the
fact
sheet
and
other
materials
and
so
I'll
send
that
around
to
the
group.
G
And
so
you
guys
are
in
the
loop
on
that
and
but
otherwise
we're
probably
looking
at
starting
advisory
committee
meetings,
maybe
in
october
time
frame
in
a
later
october
and
then
really
having
them
start
some
analyses
and
virtual
engagement
in
that
time
frame
too.
So
so
that's
the
plan
and,
as
you
saw
it
kind
of
aligns
nicely
with
things
that
are
happening
with
the
general
plan
in
terms
of
circulation
and
safety.
Two
topics.
B
A
You,
the
next
ad
hoc
subcommittee
on
crosswalks
on
pedestrian
safety,
that's
something
that
I
actually
had
had
set
up
to
go
along
with
the
subcommittee
and
walkability,
particularly
the
safe
routes
to
schools
master
plan,
because
there
had
been
interest
in
the
code
enforcement
and
public
works
committee
to
participate
in
that
really
we
haven't
met
or
done
anything
on
it
and
I
think
the
way
patrick
has
set
up
the
advisory
committee.
The
way
in
what
he's
explained
in
the
past
really
eliminates
the
need
to
have
this
separate
subcommittee.
B
G
A
I
think
we
can
do
what
we
intended
and
and
part
of
it
was
to
include
christine
from
code
enforcement
and
public
works,
but
there
will
be
opportunities
for
that
committee
to
be
involved.
I
think
input
so
we'll
dissolve
that
the
next
is
the
ad
hoc
subcommittee
on
bicycle
routes
and
cycling.
I
So
I
just
a
very
very
brief
point
here
that
I'm
gonna
I'm
going
to
the
palm
springs
municipal
code
and
there
is
actually
a
chapter
83.21.00
for
outdoor
lighting
standards
and
the
the
purpose
of
this
chapter
quoting
here
is
these
regulations
are
intended
to
maintain
ambient
lighting
levels
as
low
as
possible
in
order
to
enhance
the
city's
community
character
and
charm
and
maintain
dark
skies.
I
So
last
night
I
did
a
little
bit
of
a
field
trip.
I
went
up
to
takes
canyon
or
between
roughly
the
airport
and
cerritos
you're,
probably
all
familiar
with
this
area.
This
is
where
there
is
up
lighting
of
all
the
palm
trees
in
the
center
median
along
there,
and-
and
I
have
an
app
that
actually
measures
the
light
for
these,
these
up
plating
lamps
and
it
came
in
at
about
23
000
lumens
per
lamp.
I
Okay.
Now,
if
you
actually
look
go
back
to
the
the
chapter,
the
chapter
says
that
all
luminaries
with
total
lamp
mean
lumens
above
4
800,
as
opposed
to
the
23
000.
I
measured
shall
be
full
cut
off
type,
except
for
the
following
uses:
lighting
used
to
highlight
architectural
features,
landscapes,
building
facades,
fountains,
etc.
I
So
here's
my
point
to
this:
we,
we
are
a
long
way
from
getting
an
ordinance
together
for
dark
skies
in
palm
springs,
but
an
obvious
first
step
would
be
to
start
talking
to
the
city,
about
getting
in
compliance
with
its
own
standards
and
and
stop
violating
them.
So
so,
patrick,
that's
my
action
item
for
tonight
is:
can
we
get
together
with
with
city
employees
and
and
start
to
move
on
that.
G
You
can
feel
free
to
meet
whoever
you
want,
so
the
I
guess
that
the
best
people
are
the
maintenance
people.
I
I
think
it's
the
folks
that
would
be
responsible
for
that.
So
and
maybe
the
engineering
folks
too,
I
don't
know
so
we
should.
Why
don't?
Why
don't
we
do
this?
Why
don't
you
put
together
a
little
memo
that
describes
the
problem
and
then
we
can?
I
can
shop
that
around
to
see
who
we
should
invite
to
that
conversation.
B
I
B
H
If
I
could
also
raise
a
point,
the
building
code
does
regulate
for
new
construction
lighting
and
the
proposed
2022
standards
are
even
stricter.
So
this
is
an
issue
that's
being
looked
at
as
a
statewide,
so
that'll
help
a
little
bit,
assuming
that
the
building
department
actually
looks
at
that
or
planning
that
someone
actually
looks
at
the
code.
I
think
planning
does
because
I've
heard
it
raised
at
planning
commission
meetings,
but
it's
the
code
is
getting
stricter
for
2022.
I
So
so,
okay,
just
to
follow
up
to
to
your
point
david,
I
suspect
that,
given
that
the
cities
in
flagrant
violation
of
its
own
standards
right
now,
this
is
not
an
issue
that
anybody
is
caring
about,
and
I
suspect
that
even
new
construction
and
new
lighting
is
probably
violating.
H
All
right,
I'll
offline,
patrick
I'll
I'll,
send
you
just
some
of
the
I'll
check
this
and
I
can
send
you
hopefully
a
quick
and
dirty
on
some
of
those
things.
B
H
Okay,
new
york,
minute
water
conservation,
dwa
once
again,
the
state,
the
state
department
of
water
resources,
actually
whatever
service
control
board,
is
making
them
change
the
method
of
calculating
the
water
savings.
In
the
past
it's
been
based
on
how
much
water
is
consumed
from
your
meters
and
starting
next
month.
H
It
will
be
based
on
how
much
water
that
they
produce
I.e,
that's,
including
all
all
of
the
leaks
that
they
have,
and
unfortunately,
there's
some
leaky
pipes,
because
they're
so
old,
so
that's
likely
to
reduce
their
water
savings
numbers
which
so
far
have
been
good,
ending
out
the
period
where
they've
been
making
the
calculation
from
the
2013
baseline.
H
It's
been
roughly
almost
an
18
percent
water
savings,
cumulatively
over
the
last
four
years
since
june
of
2016.,
so
they've
done
a
good
job,
at
least
based
on
the
metric
that
they've
used
we'll
see
what
those
numbers
be,
but
people
should
continue
to
save
water.
That's
one
point,
and
second
is
ewa-
is
working
with
consultants
to
get
some
state
funds
under?
H
What's
called
s-chip
self-generation
incentive
program
to
put
batteries
up
at
a
couple
of
their
pumping
stations
up
in
the
hills
and
I'll
address
that
a
little
bit
more
in
when
I
do
dc,
that's
it
for.
A
Thank
you,
david
next
is
wellness
and
I'll
jump
in
quickly
because
I've
been
reporting
on
the
smoking
ordinance.
A
The
last
time
when
we
met
in
july,
reported
that
I
had
contacted
rhonda
hart
who's,
the
person
of
human
rights
commission
and
they
had
expressed
interest
well,
they
had
written
their
own
draft
ordinance
and
I
asked
if
they
had
any
interest
in
working
with
us
when
we
actually
started
working
ordinance.
At
that
time.
Ron
said
there
had
been
no
interest,
but
he
had
three
new
commissioners
joining
and
he
expected
that
he
would
bring
it
up
at
their
next
meeting,
which
was
last
night.
A
B
Yeah,
it's
again
it's
one
of
those
things,
that's
sort
of
aspirational,
more
than
anything
that
could
be
mailed
down
to
a
to-do
list,
because
it's
so
grand
in
I'm
not
sure
what
would
be
the
procedure
to
handle
that.
B
A
Well,
we
keep
it
on
the
list
and
at
some
point
perhaps
can
can
get
more
involved.
Okay,.
H
Okay,
I
will
make
this
quick.
I've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
attending
all
of
these
webinars
and
conferences.
I
think
patrick
or
daniel,
and
circulated
the
solar
valley
conference,
which
was
yesterday.
So
I
attended
that
as
well
as
a
workshop
run
by
the
energy
commission
and
the
air
resources
board
of
the
puc
earlier
this
month
on
sb
100
on
electrification,
the
greater
decarbonization
of
the
grid,
so
just
a
couple
of
points,
a
lot
of
work
being
done
at
the
state
agencies.
H
H
We
looked
at
transportation,
patrick
is
already
doing
with
the
ev
charger,
so
that's
great
great
reliability
to
ensure
that
the
lights
stay
on
in
times
of
high
demand,
which
we
weren't
able
to
do
as
well
as
an
emergency
such
as
earthquakes,
fires,
floods
and
winds,
and
patrick's,
also
working
on
a
nest,
chip,
application
and
finally
equity
to
ensure
that
disadvantaged
communities
are
no
longer
unfairly
burdened
by
polluting
power
plants
in
their
neighborhoods
and
fully
participate
in
government
energy
programs
and
get
workforce
training
that
leads
to
long-term
living
wage
jobs.
H
Largely
these
are
dce
issues
they're
already
covered
by
programs
at
some
of
the
more
established
community
choice,
aggregators
up
the
area
and
as
dc
works
to
establish
its
reserves,
I'm
working
with
staff
to
see
what
programs
we
can
adopt
here
and
just
in
the
interim
doing
some
preliminary
research
working
with
them
so
stay
tuned.
Some
work
for
the
city
and
largely
whatever
the
cc
can
be
doing.
A
So
the
the
final
thing
before
adjournment
is
our
commissioner
comments
and
particularly
looking
for
suggestions
for
the
upcoming
agenda.
A
We
normally
call
this
going
around
the
table
that
doesn't
really
apply
I'll,
just
go
through
the
the
list
on
the
top
of
the
agenda
of
commissioners
and
ask
if
anybody
has
any
input.
First,
one
is
rob.
I
A
Got
it
now,
and
actually
I
wanted
to
ask
you,
I
think
I
I
had
learned
that
there
had
been
a
cancellation
of
the
request
to
convert
bel
air
greens
and
I
never
got
a
confirmation
on
that
from
planning.
I
Yes,
yeah,
the
the
the
request
was
officially
withdrawn
in
july.
I
believe,
and-
and
none
of
us
have
been
able
to
find
out
why?
But
we
suspect
basically,
that
the
the
community
outcry
against
converting
bel
air
into
condos
and
development
was
enough
to
to
get
the
owner
to
get
cold
feet
because
he
started
to
realize
that
he
was
going
to
have
a
real
battle
on
his
hands
right
from
the
planning
commission
on
out.
A
Okay,
thanks
carl,
you
have
anything
I
think
yeah
thanks.
H
Sorry
about
that
nothing
else,
I
mean
nothing
else
that
I
haven't
already
said.
Thank
you
sandra.
C
Yes,
a
subject
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
a
bit
of
good
news
when
there's
a
lot
of
not
so
good
news
is
that
there
was
a
federal
overturn
judgment
against
dicamba
this
summit.
So
this
is
a
huge
victory.
Big
big
news
escalated
about
a
dozen
other,
be
killing
and
pollinator
pesticides,
the
federal
rule.
The
ruling
has
been
changed,
so
those
are
now
off
the
market
and
the
lawsuit
against
bifurcate
aka.
C
The
primary
ingredient
in
roundup
is
going
forward,
so
the
state
of
california
is
backing
this,
hoping
that
we
can
continue
with
this.
It
certainly
becomes
a
problem
with
the
egg
workers
and
ground
crews
in
that
in
age
of
coveted,
where
they're
already
at
the
excuse
me
increased
risk
so
yeah
we
could
continue
with
our
poison
campaign.
B
F
We
had
that
discussion
during
one
of
our
last
meetings
about
adding
air
to
the
planning.
The
city's
planning
is
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
features
of
our
planet
that
we
have
to
be
concerned
with,
and
I
don't
think
it
has
been
any
more
clearer
than
it's
the
summer
with
all
of
the
fires.
F
I'm
kind
of
going
back
to
commissioner
baker's
wellness
subcommittee.
F
Thinking
about
how
we
really
don't
have
like
la
has.
A
really
good
public
monitoring
system
would
show
our
air
quality
index
and
a
little
bit
of
education.
That
would
go
along
with
it,
because
we
have
some
of
the
most
polluted
air
in
the
country
and
what
I
see
on
the
little
map
that
you
get
in
the
desert
sun
about
air
quality.
It
doesn't
tell
you
anything.
Basically
I
mean
if
it's
moderate,
do
you
know
what
that
means?
F
B
Your
phone,
it
says
air
quality
in
90
colony,
moderate,
so
it
does
give
you
a
measure
yeah.
I
I
think
lonnie's
point
is:
let's:
let's
get
more
local
and
more
a
larger
number
of
actual
readings
of
our
air
from
from
local
sources.
C
Those
services
best-
and
I
I
depend
on
them
myself,
I'm
also
insensitive
and
since
the
beginning
of
lockdown
going
forward,
we
haven't
had
one
day
where
we
haven't
been
in
an
orange
which
is
medically
unhealthy
air
not
like
just
you
know,
fungus
and
and
hay
fever
type
of
things,
but
ozone
which
most
of
your
reports
don't
even
report
on.
So
we
haven't
had
one
day
under
the
orange
we've
actually
been
in
a
heiner
room
before
the
fires,
and
this
is
ozone
and
particulate
matter.
C
A
F
F
We
could
if
we
could
show
the
man
map
through
the
whole
coachella
valley,
it
would
educate
people
a
little
bit
about
environmental
justice
because
it's
so
much
worse
in
the
east
in
the
south
valley.
But
if
we're
it's
terrible
here,
because
we've
got
the
banning
past
it's
you
know,
you're,
saying
that
if
I'm
understanding
you
correctly
sandra
you're,
saying
that
you
haven't
noticed
it.
F
Well
with
and
mixing
it
with
kovic
too,
so
I
just
feel
that
I
would
like
the
desert,
sun
and
maybe
something
on
our
website
that
could
show
people
and
but
I
think
it's
going
to
take
some
educating
as
well
but
like,
for
instance,
the
la
times
has
everybody
every
all
of
the
metric
metropolitan
areas
are
color-coded
and
it
starts
to
get
really
sucking
over
over
towards
us
we're
in
that
area,
not
as
bad
as
long
beach.
But
you
know
it
gets
to
be
that
way.
C
H
H
Not
sure
I
think
lonnie
you're
on
that
discussion
at
our
recommendation,
the
planning
commission
did
add
the
word
air
in
our
priorities.
So
I
think
you
know
and
and
sure
clark
I
think,
you're
a
part
of
that
discussion
as
well.
I
think
it's
your
suggestion
to
get
in
the
word
air
and,
as
I
mentioned,
the
safety
element
does
have
to
deal
with
climate
change
resilience
adaptation.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
once
again.
H
That's
the
reason
why
I
wanted
to
participate
in
that
working
group
to
make
sure
that
we
actually
cover
those
issues
in
in
the
general
plan.
I
think
that's
a
good
sort
of
you
know,
admittedly
long
term,
but
that's
something
to
be
working
on
in
the
details
of
the
general
plan
and,
of
course,
our
sustainability
plan.
A
Hey
thank
you
for
the
input
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
on
tuesday
october
20th
at
5
30..
I
assume
it's
going
to
be
zoom
again.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
I'll
move?
Thank
you
greg.
A
second
megan
thank
you,
rob
all
in
favor,
say
aye
hi.