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B
C
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C
Yes,
mr
chair
and
committee,
our
agenda
was
published
on
thursday
july
1st
2021,
so
our
reading
has
been
posted
in
accordance
with
state
law.
B
B
If
somebody
would
like
to
speak
on
an
item
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
do
so
now.
Mr
newell,
do
we
do
you
know
if
we
have
anybody
waiting
to
speak.
C
No
specific
requests
to
speak
that
we
have
received,
but
if
anyone
who
is
on
the
call
this
evening
would
like
to
speak,
please
on
your
microphone.
You'll
have
up
to
three
minutes.
B
B
Anything
else,
okay,
that
is
going
to
be
part
of
our
consent
calendar.
So,
let's
move
to
item
number
two
on
the
calendar,
steve
stinky,
leaf
dispensary,
requesting
approval
of
a
sign
permit
for
one
main
sign
at
43
and
a
half
square
feet
on
the
side
of
an
existing
building
at
290
west
san
rafael
place.
B
The
next
item
is
number
three
fire
and
flower
cannabis
company
requesting
approval
of
a
signed
permit
for
one
main
sign
on
an
existing
monument
sign
located
at
4810,
east
camino,
parisella
and
the
last
one
is,
I
think
it
might
be
pronounced
by
canik
iconic
farms
requesting
approval
of
a
signed
permit
for
one
main
sign
at
22
square
feet
placed
on
the
front
of
an
existing
building
located
at
508
east
industrial
place.
Do
we
have
a
motion
from
the
committee
to
accept
the
consent
calendar.
B
Second,
all
in
favor
hi,
hi,
okay,
we
are
now
going
to
move
to
unfinished
business
denise
berry.
This
is
item
number
five
denise
berry
owner
for
a
major
architectural
application
to
construct
a
new
1,
611
square
foot
single
family
residence
in
an
administrative
minor
modification
application
to
reduce
all
setbacks
to
the
development
located
at
105
west
san
marco
way
staff
report.
Please
I
need
to
abstain
from
this.
Okay,
I'm
sorry
steve.
Do
we
still
have
an
agenda?
C
Yes,
mr
chair,
we
saw
five
minutes.
G
So,
just
a
little
refresher,
the
new
single
family
home
is
located
on
a
vacant
lot
along
a
major
thoroughfare
on
the
west
side
of
indian
canyon
drive.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
1600
square
foot
residence
with
a
new
450
foot
square
foot,
garage,
detached
garage,
a
pool
and
a
spa
all
within
this
property.
G
The
proposed
home
will
mainly
consist
of
a
smooth
dove
gray,
stucco,
siding
on
all
main
walls.
The
exterior
walls
adjacent
to
the
main
entrance
will
be
a
dark
gray,
and
a
black
brick
will
be
placed
on
the
same
elevation
as
the
front
door,
which
will
be
a
bright
teal
during
the
last
meeting
arc.
G
Had
some
comments
regarding
the
landscaping,
the
material
of
the
slanted
portion
of
the
shed
roof
and
the
rock
that
the
applicant
had
proposed.
I
want
to
say
that
they
have
enhanced
their
landscaping
significantly
along
the
street
frontages
of
san
marcos
and
indian
canyon.
They
did
change
their
proposed
white
rock
to
a
crushed
indigo.
G
So
it's
more
it's
gray
and
it
does
contrast
against
the
the
building.
Color
they've
provided
they've
kind
of
kept
everything
else
the
same.
They
did
provide
a
roof
plan
showing
where
the
solar
panels
are
going
to
be
located
on
the
roof.
G
B
F
Staff,
robert
yeah,
under
planning,
condition
number
four.
It
says
that
the
roof
color
needs
to
be,
I
believe,
it's
tan
or
beige
or
something,
but
they
are
submitting
for
a
white
roof.
Does
that?
How
does
that?
How
does
that
apply
in
this
situation?
Given
that
they're
want
to
do
a
flat
roof.
B
B
H
Hi,
my
name
is
paul:
moss,
solar,
I'm
the
draftsman
for
this
project.
So
the
homeowners
wanted
a
house
around
600
square
feet.
They
wanted
to
keep
it
modest
in
scale.
H
So
what
we
came
up
with
was
a
single-story
three-bedroom
two-bathroom
home
at
1611
square
feet.
H
Story,
windows,
sloped,
roof,
wood,
overhangs,
a
brightly,
colored
front
door
and
brick
accents
a
few
of
the
energy
saving
items
that
we
have
are
a
charging
station
for
their
plug-in
vehicle
solar
panels
to
meet
the
entire
usage
of
the
home,
not
just
the
minimal
requirement
by
title
24
and
then
multi-zone
air
conditioning
and
then
just
the
scale
of
the
home,
there's
less
to
heat
and
cool
and
less
power
needed
and
then
to
address
the
traffic
and
privacy
along
the
indian
canyon.
B
Hey,
thank
you
paul.
Do
we
have
any
first
of
all
next,
we
would
have
public
comments.
Are
there
any
comments
from
the
audience
regarding
this
specific
project.
I
Oh,
this
is
actually
denise
berry,
I'm
the
owner
of
the
house,
yeah
hi.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
few
things
to
what
paul
mentioned
so
for
the
for
the
landscaping,
inspiration
as
well.
We
when
we
went
back
and
kind
of
revisited
this
we
looked
at
sunny
lands
and
I
just
love
the
reflecting
pool
there
and
what
they've
done
so
you'll
notice
the
the
inspiration
there
that
we
are
using
with
the
golden
barrel,
the
palo
verde
museum,
palo
verde
and
we've
also
added
some
color
with.
I
I
know
there
was
a
concern
about
that.
So
there's
also
the
red
yucca
that
you'll
see
planted
in
between
the
trees
and,
as
we
know,
these
trees
do
grow
quite
fast.
So
we
do
anticipate.
They
will,
as
shown
here
in
the
rendering
that
paul
provided,
provide
much
privacy
sound
barrier
as
well
as
a
really
lovely
view
from
the
street.
B
Paul
the
question
I
have
is
the
plan
that
we're
looking
at
is
pretty
basic
and
it
doesn't
indicate
where
the
fau
are
within
the
house
or
give
any
hint
of
duct
work.
Are
you
going
to
be
able
to
accommodate
all
of
that
equipment
and
the
duct
work
within
the
envelope
of
the
house
without
needing
to
go
up
onto
the
roof.
H
Yeah,
so
we
have
a
dropped
roof
in
several
locations,
we're
going
to
be
using
ducted
mini
splits,
they're,
really
slim
they're
only
about
a
foot
deep,
so
in
the
master
closet
where
the
roof
is
sloped,
we'll
actually
have
a
dropped
ceiling
there
and
that'll
be
the
location
of
one
of
the
interior
units
and
then
over
in
the
kitchen
area.
D
D
H
Correct,
well,
it
wouldn't
be
on
the
roof.
It
would
be
located
in
the
dropped
ceiling
area.
Oh
okay,.
H
Yeah
so
I
did
add,
I
know
you
wanted
to
see
the
equipment
on
the
renderings
alex.
I
don't
know
if
we
could
go
to
the
3d
perspective
page.
I
believe
it's
a601
yeah.
Thank
you.
H
So
I
did
add
the
solar
panels,
the
roof
vents,
the
fireplace
event
previously.
I
was
showing
aerial
perspective
and
I
think
it
may
have
been
a
little
bit
misleading.
H
So
I
wanted
to
show
them
from
like
a
more
human
scale
and
you
could
see
on
the
bottom
right
hand
corner.
That
would
be
the
view
from
indian
canyon.
So
it's
pretty
obscure.
We
wanted
to
keep
the
house
pretty
discreet,
just
because
of
the
traffic
and
airplane
noise
and.
H
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
were
wanting
that
just
because
of
the
the
the
visual
prominence
from
indian
canyon,
my
understanding.
H
And
the
roof
slope
is
very
minimal.
It's
only
one
and
a
half
to
twelve.
H
And
you
could
see
two
in
the
perspective
on
the
upper
left
side.
That's
looking
at
the
home
from
the
corner
and
again
I
just
don't
think
any
of
those
vents.
I
did
add
them
to
the
renderings
and
you
could
kind
of
see
they're
just
not
really
visible
at
all.
D
H
B
F
Yeah,
so
where
do
you?
Where
are
you
gonna?
How
are
you
gonna
handle
trash
storage
yeah?
It
doesn't
look
like
there's
a
lot
of
room
in
the
garage
and
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
called
out
on
any
of
the
side
yards.
H
F
Okay-
and
I
saw
somewhere
that
you
one
of
your
plants,
is
called
out
with
lighting
yeah.
The
308301
says
sight
light
landscape,
but
I
didn't
see
any
indication
of
what
kind
of
sight
lighting
you're
proposing.
H
H
On
the
south
side,
you
could
see
there
are
wall
sconces
on
either
side
of
the
wall
or
I'm
sorry
window,
and
then
on
the
east
side.
We
also
have
wall
sconces
to
light
up
that
side
yard
that
they
have
and
then
the
front
yard.
We
have
wall
sconces
on
either
side
of
the
front
door
as
well
as
some
recess
lights
above
the
garage
and
then
recessed
lights.
F
Okay
and
then
the
last,
in
the
last
time
we
looked
at
this,
I
made
a
comment
about
the
elevations
being
a
little
plain
and
I'm
still
struggling
with
the
front
elevation.
The
san
marco
way
elevation
the
clear
story,
windows
of
the
two
bedrooms
from
the
outside
look
out
of
proportion
for
the
wall.
F
I
mean
it
just
it
just
seems
like
there
could
be
a
better
composition
of
windows
on
that
wall,
which
is
very
plain,
and
the
other
thing
is-
and
this
is
a
personal
thing-
is
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
the
extended
I
don't
know
which
of
the
pop
out
along
the
roof
line
and
then
dropping
vertically
down,
especially
over
that
bedroom
wing.
F
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
might
be
willing
to
take
another
look
at
that
elevation
and
maybe
revise
the
proportion
of
the
windows,
maybe
get
them
closer,
tie
them
together
in
some
way,
it
just
seems
to
me
the
elevation
needs
a
little
bit
of
more
work.
B
Robert
may
ask
paul
a
question
in
response
to
what
you
just
mentioned,
paul
on
those
little
pop
outs,
as
I'm
looking
at
the
northwest,
rendering
are
the
inside
wall
faces
of
those
clad
in
the
wood
and
the
wood
runs
along
the
soffit
along
the
top
above
the
windows
and
garage
doors.
Or
am
I
just
is
that
a
shadow
line.
I
Yes,
oh
this
is
the
owner
denise,
so
the
inspiration
for
that
is
actually
an
award-winning
home
in
san
diego.
It's
called
avocado
acres.
They
did
an
approach
similar
to
this
and
I
really
loved
the
look
of
it.
It's
super
super
sleek,
modern.
It
looks
really.
I
know
the
renderings
it's
really
hard
to
envision,
but
it's
stunning
and
I
also
love
icler.
I
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
iclear
exteriors
they
are
plain
when
you
look
at
them
from
the
front
they're
sophisticated
and
simple,
and
I'm
open
to
paul,
going
back
and
doing
something,
maybe
with
these
two
windows
you're
talking
about,
but
otherwise
I
really,
I
think,
this
design.
You
know,
in
my
personal
opinion,
as
the
owner
of
my
dream
house.
I
It
really
you
know
we're
taking
so
many,
I
think,
inspirations
from
eichler
and
other
mid-century
homes.
I
just
I
don't.
I
guess
I'm
at
a
little
bit
of
a
loss
to
see
where
this
would
be
considered
a
plane
or
plane
or
lacking.
You
know
when
we're
talking
about.
I
I
I
guess
you
guys
talk
about
this
at
the
end,
in
terms
of
you
know,
what's
what's
going
to
be
required
and
what's
just
kind
of
opinions
and
whatnot,
so
I'm
learning
in
this
process
as
well,
but.
B
B
Committee,
I
I
don't
agree
with
you,
robert
about
those
windows.
I
think
the
simplicity
is
nice.
What
I
would
question
the
applicant
to
be
careful
of
it
doesn't
look
like
those
two
bedrooms
would
have
a
legal
egress
window.
It
seems
like
the
windows
on
the
sides
are
very
small
and
I
don't
know
if
they
would
be
large
enough
to
comply
with
code,
so
so
they,
the
applicant,
needs
to
look
at
that
carefully,
and
I
can
really
appreciate
all
the
landscaping
that
was
added.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
B
H
Could
I
make
a
comment
about
the
egress
windows
yeah
alex?
Is
it
possible
sorry
to
go
back
to
a301,
so
we
did
provide
egress
windows
on
the
sides
of
the
house
for
the
bedrooms.
B
H
Do
I
believe,
they're
six
foot
tall
by,
I
want
to
say
30,
inches
or
three
feet.
G
A
A
D
At
it,
I
I
think
that
the
inspiration
is
not
quite
as
successful
here
in
in
the
placement
and
sizing
of
the
plants.
D
D
I
didn't
want
to
see
the
model
or
wanted
to
see
them
disappear
or
not
not
be
placed
within
that
roof
at
all
figure
out
where
to
reroute
them,
which
can
be
done
some
of
the
things
like
the
even
the
plant
materials
on
here
and
the
sizing.
There's
the
one
gallon
red
yucca.
D
D
B
Hey
anybody
else
have
any
other
comments.
I
have
a
comment
dan,
I'm
sorry
dan
thompson.
A
I
I
agree
with
you
I
kind
of
like
the
the
front
and
the
simplicity
of
it.
I
I
understand
what
they're
trying
to
do
there
and
I
I
think
it
achieves
that.
I
agree
with
the
landscape,
though
I
think
maybe,
if
they
kind
of
undulated
a
little
bit
back
and
down
or
something
or
bring,
some
more
boulders
in
like
sean
said,
would
be
better.
It
does
for
being
on
a
main
thoroughfare
does
look
kind
of
plain.
As
far
as
the
landscaping
goes.
E
I'd
like
to
add
to
that,
I
agree
with
chairman
jakeway's
comments
and
also
sean's,
and
perhaps
what
they
could
do
in
looking
at
the
landscape
is
along
the
indian
avenue
frontage
that
could
have
some
more
burmese
and
some
of
the
looseness
you
were
talking
about
and
if
they
wanted
to
maintain
that
geometry
in
the
landscape,
maybe
that
could
occur
more
near
the
entry
of
the
house
in
the
driveway
area,
so
that
you,
you
could
have
a
blending
of
a
more
undulating
and
burned
landscape
as
a
buffer
along
indian,
and
then
it
could
transition
around
the
corner
into
the
more
the
geometry
they're.
A
C
Mr
chair,
what
I
might
recommend
is
that,
based
on
the
comments
we've
heard
tonight
that
if
the
committee
is
comfortable
recommending
approval,
they
might
do
so
and
any
design
revisions
be
reviewed
either
at
the
staff
level
or
with
a
subcommittee
of
the
arc.
B
Thank
you,
mr
newell.
I
was
going
to
suggest
the
same
since
so
many
of
our
landscape
issues
are
now
handled
by
staff
when
we're
having
these
re-landscapes
that
are
doing
the
water
saving
landscaping.
I
think
that
your
staff
is
getting
a
lot
of
experience
with
that,
so
I'd
be
comfortable
with
them.
Reviewing
that.
B
So
I'd
I'd,
like
I'd,
make
a
motion
that
we
approved
the
project,
with
the
condition
that
the
landscape
material
be
increased
in
size,
that
the
material
along
the
indian
avenue
frontage
be
in
a
more
undulating
and
free
form,
sort
of
situation
along
san
marco.
It
could
be
either
the
more
formal
or
the
free
form.
I
think
mr
dosey
had
a
great
idea
with
that
and
that's
my
motion
and
that
it
would
be
reviewed
for
final
approval
by
planning
staff
for
the
landscape,
I'll.
C
Mr
chair,
yes,
you
lost
the
member
lock
here
for
a
moment.
There.
D
Sorry
about
that
we
had
a
flash
here,
didn't
catch
the
vote
or
the
motion.
B
Okay,
the
motion
that
I
made
was
to
approve
it
as
submitted
with
the
exception
that
the
landscape
material
be
increased
in
size,
that
the
landscape
placement
reflect
the
discussion
in
the
comments
that
mr
dosey
made
and
that
the
final
approval
of
the
landscape
would
be
handled
at
staff
level
when
they
have
their
final
submittal.
That
was
seconded
by
mr
thompson.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
now
we
will
move
on
to
new
business
item
number
six
andrew
badger
for
a
major
architectural
application
and
administrative
minor
modification
application.
Excuse
me
proposing
a
395
square
foot
casita
above
an
existing
garage
on
a
hillside
lot
located
at
777
la
mirada
road.
Maybe
we
have
a
staff
report.
B
G
One
second,
so
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
the
applicant
made
a
last-minute
revision
to
their
proposal.
The
site
plan
that
you'll
I'm
sorry
the
floor
plan
that
you'll
be
looking
at
in
your
staff
report
shows
a
casita
but
they've
actually
modified
it
to
be
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
and
the
difference
is
the
adu
has
a
kitchen,
whereas
the
casita
only
showed
a
sink.
G
The
subject
site
consists
of
a
single
family
home,
a
detached
garage
and
a
swimming
pool.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
add
a
new
casino,
I'm
sorry,
a
new
adu
above
the
existing
detached
garage
which
is
located
towards
the
front
of
the
property
along.
This
is
la
mirada
road.
You
could
see
that
the
floor
plan
now
this
is
actually
I'm
sorry.
G
The
proposed
adu
will
be
located
directly
above
an
existing
permitted
garage.
It
will
contain
a
wraparound
trellis
which
wraps
around
the
north
and
the
east
side
elevations
and
an
exterior
staircase
on
the
south
elevation.
G
The
applicant
actually
provided
us
with
this
image.
It
just
shows
the
surrounding
area
along
la
merada
road,
and
you
can
tell
on
the
west
side,
there's
at
least
three
single
family
homes
that
are
two-story.
G
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
match
everything
to
the
existing
garage
and
single
family
home,
so
the
doors,
the
windows,
the
color,
the
material,
even
the
roof.
Trellises
will
match
this
single
family
home,
and
you
can
see
a
corner
of
that
home.
The
top
left.
G
These
are
some
existing,
as
I
guess
this
is
photos
of
the
of
the
garage.
You
can
see
that
some
of
it
is
located
underground
on
both
sides.
G
And
this
is
just
a
straight
view
showing
the
view
from
the
street,
so
staff
did
recommend
denial
based
on
the
inability
to
make
all
the
findings
in
the
hillside.
I'm
sorry
listed
in
the
hillside
criteria,
specifically
the
proposed
adu
may
restrict
visibility
from
the
surrounding
properties
and
therefore
may
not
be
harmonious
to
the
immediately
adjacent
properties,
but
the
that
concludes
my
report
and
staff.
The
applicant
is
available
for
any
questions.
B
E
Have
a
question
yes
tom,
with
the
height
of
the
garage
with,
and
the
addition
of
the
proposed
adu
does
that
overall
height
meet
what
would
be
required
as
the
setback
from
the
street
if
it
were
a
newly
proposed
structure.
J
A
J
G
Sorry,
no,
no,
the
adu
is
proposed
from
the
front
property
line.
It
does
sit
26
and
a
half
feet
back.
If
you
measure
that
from
adjacent
grade
it
sets,
I
believe,
at
that
17
feet
high.
So
I
don't
believe
that
it
meets
the
height
requirement
at
that
current
location.
D
A
D
So
I
can't
quite
tell
where
the
setback
is,
but
I'm
guessing
it's
dashed
line
somewhere
around
well.
Frankly,
I
just
can't
tell
based
on
this.
It
looks
like
a
measurement
from
the
front
property
line
back
25
feet.
Nine
and
eight
inches
is
grid
line
c
it
it's
only
nine
inches
south
of
a
front
yard,
suck
back
and
then,
but
most
of
the
building
from
looking
at
this
right,
the
garage
is
already
proud
and
in
violation
of
the
front
side
back,
is
that
right.
D
Gotcha
but
then
the
addition
of
it
and
then
like
there's
an
angular
that
says
existing
grade
line
beyond
that's
a
gentle
slope
to
it
and
then
there's
this
12
foot
dimension
with
a
dashed
line.
That's
offset
from
that,
I
suppose
an
existing
grade
line,
but
that
that's
like
an
angular
12
feet
and
if
that,
if
that's
demonstrating
height
restriction,
isn't
it
just
12
feet
vertical
and
then
a
4
to
12
pitch
up
from
there
up
to
18
feet
as
the
height
restriction.
C
Correct
memory
locker
that
is
correct.
Typically
that's
the
standard
for
single
family
homes
as
a
casita.
They
can
have
a
height
of
up
to
15
feet
or
an
adu.
I
should
say
a
height
of
up
to
15
feet,
the
so
in
the
hillside
ordinance.
The
city
is
so
you
can
establish
the
height
relative
height
for
a
structure
based
on
existing
conditions,
so
that
is
something
that
is
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
arc
or
planning
commission.
C
So
that's
just
something
that
you
know
we
keep
in
mind.
Also,
the
hillside
ordinance
does
allow
reduced
front
setbacks
for
hillside
properties
as
low
as
10
feet.
If
an
amn
is
approved,
so
the
building
envelope
and
the
front
setback,
there
is
a
way
to
modify
those
standards
for
hillside
properties.
A
B
L
Hi
there
this
is
drew
badger
and
thanks
everybody
for
your
time.
I
really
appreciate
it.
You
guys
doing
what
you
do
and
trying
to
preserve
a
great
community
and
all
the
aesthetics
that
we've
grown
to
love
in
palm
springs,
and
I
wanted
to
thank
alex
and
david
for
always
being
responsive
to
my
questions
and
trying
to
educate
me.
I've
not
been
through
all
this
before
and
so
apologies.
I
guess
on
the
one
front,
for
our
first
plan
not
to
actually
show
all
the
kitchen
features.
L
I
thought
just
saying
we
were
going
to
have
a
kitchenette
was
good
enough,
apparently
drawings
matter.
So
apologies
for
that
error
on
my
part
and
also
our
my
architect,
is
on
the
call
he
has
mandy
as
well.
So
yes
may,
please
feel
free
to
chime
in
with
any
of
the
technicals
that
have
come
up
or
may
come
up
in
future
discussion,
but
yeah.
I
think
you
guys
can
see
from
the
photos
the
the
property,
it's
a
unique
property.
It's
set
up.
L
It's
the
last
house
up
against
the
the
mountains
there
right
behind
it
is
indian
land
and
water
department.
L
So
we
have
really
very
scant
neighbors
and,
from
this
photo
what
you
can
see
to
the
right
of
the
property,
just
in
the
view
we're
seeing
there's
a
large
hedge
between
those
properties.
So
they
don't
actually
see
any
of
my
property.
L
The
only
people
that
see
the
property
are
the
ones
directly
in
front
of
which
obviously
are
the
ones
who
would
have
the
greatest
concern,
with
growing
a
structure
up
right
in
front
of
their
house,
we're
friends
we
we've
talked
about
the
the
project.
They
obviously
received
the
package
from
you
guys
and
I
think
the
main
concern
that
they
had
and
in
hindsight
so
do
we
is.
L
We
had
initially
proposed
to
have
a
rooftop
deck,
so
you
would
sit
atop
the
roof
and
you
would
have
panoramic
views,
but
the
downside
is,
you
would
see
right
into
the
pool
of
the
neighbors
directly
across
the
street,
so
one
design
change
we're
more
than
willing
to
make
to
accommodate
them,
and
actually
we
don't
want
to
look
down
their
pool
either.
L
Is
to
remove
that
from
the
plans
and
we're
happy
to
submit
a
revision
and
remove
the
rooftop,
but
barring
that
what
you
can
see
in
one
of
the
photos
and
alex
I'm
sorry
for
moving
you
around.
But
if
you
look
at
the
screenshot
from
looking
directly
at
the
garage
as
it
is
today,
there's
a
large
tree
and
hedges
behind
the
garage
structure
yeah.
I
think
that
that
probably
gets
the
gist,
so
the
the
photo
on
the
right
shows
that
large
tree
the
tree
is
actually
bigger.
L
So
as
you
build
a
structure
atop
the
garage,
the
roof
line
is
actually
gonna
be
lower
than
that
tree
and
the
hedge
to
the
right
of
it
and
again
to
the
right
is
not
that's
just
an
access
road
to
the
water
department,
so
there's
no
real
view
that
could
be
obstructed
there
and
one
other
point
I
may
not
come
clear
is
that
the
the
intended
roof
line
and
and
now
again,
if
we
remove
that
rooftop
deck
it
would,
we
would
also
be
able
to
remove
that
four
foot.
L
I
don't
recall
what
it's
called,
but
basically
so
people
don't
fall
off
the
rooftop
deck.
We
don't
need
that
anymore
if
we
don't
have
a
rooftop
and
then
with
the
flat
roof
that
brings
the
overall
height
down
in
either
case.
The
overall
roof
line
will
be
lower
than
the
actual
house
roof
line,
because
we
have
vaulted
ceilings
in
the
main
part
of
the
house.
L
So
again,
the
intended
structure,
I
don't
think,
is
going
to
change
views
because
you
see
again,
we
have
some
foliage
behind
it
directly
and
the
ultimate
roof
line
from
one
of
the
site
sections
is,
you
you
can
see,
is
actually
lower
than
the
main
part
of
the
house.
So
our
our
goal
is
to
put
together
this
additional
room,
and
I
I
know
you
doesn't
really
matter
why
I
want
the
project,
but
for
your
awareness
now
that
I'm
a
fully
remote
employee
because
of
kovid
for
the
forever.
L
This
is
intended
to
be
my
home
office
and
it's
also
ultimately
planned
to
be
a
place
where
I
can
give
care
to
an
elderly
parent.
So
that's
why
we
intended
to
have
a
kitchen
and
bath
and
be
a
fully
sustained
unit
today
for
work
tomorrow
for
for
care
of
of
an
aging
loved
one.
So,
anyhow,
I
think
that's
about
all
I
have
to
say,
and
I
guess,
as
you
guys
get
into
the
technicals
yes
mandy's
here,
to
help
you
understand
some
of
the
renderings
and
some
of
the
other
points.
Thank
you.
B
Mr
badger,
okay,
questions
from
the
committee
for
the
applicant
and
or
the
applicant's
architect.
D
All
right,
I
have
a
question
yeah,
so
on
that
same
thanks
for
your
intro
by
the
way
they're
true
on
sheet
a104,
it's
that's
the
one
where
I
was
asking
about
the
diagrams
towards
the
rear
of
the
property,
which
is
like
a
south
there's,
a
there's
sort
of
a
red
dash
dot
line
box.
It
says
if
adu
is
built
on
the
rear
of
property,
it
will
overlook
into
side
neighbor,
backyard
and
pool.
Where
are
you
going
with
that
back
there?
I
wonder.
L
So
to
the
left
of
the
house,
there's
a
neighbor
and
their
lot
is
actually
below
our
lot.
Okay
and
that's
a
property,
that's
on
the
modernism
tour,
so
I
don't
think
we
want
to
mess
with
with
their
views
and
their
aesthetics
either,
but
the
the
intention
it's
an
acre
lot.
So
it
seems
big,
but
you
can't
actually
access
the
back
of
the
property,
which
is
where
you
know,
one
might
intuitively
think
it
would
make
sense
to
have
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
L
D
A
D
Gotcha,
yes,
the
other
question
I
was
going
to
ask
was
how
about
have
you
like?
I
appreciate
you
saying
you,
you
wouldn't
want
the
roof
deck
area
because
of
looking
into
the
neighbor's
pool
across
the
street
to
the
north.
It
seems
like
the
roof.
Deck
really
makes
this
project.
I
I
don't
know
that
it's
100
oriented
on
the
correct
side
of
the
structure
you're
proposing
if
it
were
me,
but
certainly
it's
an
it-
would
be
an
attractive
feature
for
the
one
using
this
structure
and
where
I'm
going
with
this
is.
D
I
wondered
if
you'd
consider-
or
you
had
considered
sliding
this
second
story
structure
further
south,
quite
a
bit
further
south,
partially
straddling
the
roof
of
the
garage
partially.
Not
so
right
now,
it
appears
to
be
at
least
on
this
a104
one
sheet
percent
is
covering
a
built-in
top
of
the
existing
garage.
L
Yeah-
and
just
you
know
it's-
I
I'd
love
it
if
you
could
all
come
out
and
look
at
the
property.
That
is
actually
a
really
interesting
suggestion
and
concept.
The
problem
there
is,
if
you
did,
that
you
would
be
actually
consuming
both
that
tree,
that
very
mature
tree
and
the
only
walkway
between
between
the
garage
and
the
house.
So
that
is
the
walkway
that
you
would
be
consuming
and
taking
down
the
biggest
tree
on
the
property.
L
So
we
we
did
actually
think
about
that,
but
we
don't
want
to
lose
that
tree
and
and-
and
we
need
that
walkway
frankly,
so
I'm
looking
at
the
aerial,
though.
D
And
the
tree
to
the
south
of
the
garage-
I
I
just
happen
to
be
on
just
google
maps
here,
so
this
is
the
beauty
of
the
zoom
calls.
So
it
doesn't.
Look
like
the
largest
trade
looks
like
the
two
trees
out
proud
of
that
to
the
north
along
the
street
are
quite
a
bit
larger
and
is
it
a
mesquite
tree.
L
L
Yeah
you
can
zoom
in
on
google.
We
can't
hear,
I
think,
but
yeah
I
I
don't
know.
L
I
guess
this
is
one
of
those
where
pre
covid
someone
would
have
come
out
and
been
able
to
exclude
some
options
that
you'd
need
to
see
to
believe,
but
I
can
just
tell
you
even
without
that
tree
idea,
removal
of
the
tree
we
still
again,
if
with
your
idea
of
of
putting
it
at
half
on
land,
half
on
garage,
we
lose
our
walkway
and
that's
that's
an
important
walkway
on
this
property
and
we're
also
just
one
other
thing:
we're
doing
some
other
construction
right
now.
It's
it's
all.
It's
not
construction
meeting.
L
I
don't
want
to
plant
that
seed,
but
we're
we're
building
a
pizza,
oven
and
doing
a
built-in
barbecue
and
all
these
things,
and
so
those
are
also
in
that
vicinity
of
where
you're
describing.
So
I
think
we
would
be
cramming
a
lot
in
that
that
area
right
there.
D
L
I
don't
it's
it's
a
good
trust
me.
I
I
like
your
idea.
I
just
think
when
you
come
out
to
the
property,
you
see
what
you
what
you
lose
as
you
proceed
with
that
plan.
I
think
it's
it's
not
optimal,
but
I
like
it
in
concept,
but
I
really
think
if
you,
if
you
were
to
see
it,
you
might
might
want
to
recreate
the
concept,
but
it's
not
a
bad
one.
It's
just,
I
think,
for
this
space
once
you're
there
it's
it's.
You
lose
too
much
with
that
plan.
Mm-Hmm.
B
Thank
you,
sean
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant.
F
L
F
L
So
can
we
maybe
that's
an
aerial
another
aerial?
Okay,
so
from
this
it
would
be
upper
right
upper
right
exactly
so,
unfortunately,
no,
that's
that's
a
wash
in
our
property.
It's
it's
got
a
wash
and
it
it's
not
where
you
it's
too
far
from
the
house
you'd
have
to.
We
have
like
a
water
feature
that
goes
along
there
too,
and
we
would
have
to
cannibalize
that
to
do
something
there
and
I
honestly,
the
idea
on
the
top
of
the
garage
is
to
minimize
any
additional
rock
removal.
L
This
property-
we
you
know
the
builder
and
the
architect
that
built
it
originally
in
97-
are
the
same
ones
helping
me
today,
yes,
manny's,
helping
or
being
advised
by
the
original
architect,
but
they
removed
so
many
boulders.
I
think
they,
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
to
describe
but
doing
that
all
over
again.
I
just
think
the
cost
and
the
time
and
the
effort
is
just
not
worth
it
when
you
can
really
just
use
a
structure.
That's
already
there
as
the
foundation
that
that
was
the
thinking
anyway,.
F
Okay
and
then
so
just
maybe,
this
is
a
question
for
the
architect.
So
if
you
remove
the
roof
terrace,
how
far
down
are
you
going
to
bring
the
parapet?
So
what
so?
What
would
the
overall
height
from
the
front
of
the
garage
be
as
opposed
to
being
currently
at
22
feet?
How
far
down
would
that
come.
F
A
Well,
just
I
think
we're
using
the
in
the
bottom
of
the
stairs
under
stairs
has
storage,
so
we'll
we'll
keep
it
as
storage
is
to
to
break
the
the
tallness
of
the
wall
back
there.
F
B
Thank
you.
Drew
hang
around,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
few
more
questions.
Okay,
but
do
we
have
any
public
comments
from
the
audience
on
this
particular
project?.
B
It
doesn't
appear
that
we
do
so
committee
members.
B
B
L
L
F
I
was
originally
inclined
because
of
the
height
and
the
proposed
22
feet
and
the
and
the
two-story
structure
being
at
the
street
level-
and
I
know
I
went
out
and
drove
drove
by
the
house,
so
I
did
see
that
the
main
house
is
further
back
and
probably
of
a
similar
height,
but
the
presence
from
the
street
was
a
concern
for
me
to
have
a
two-story
structure,
so
I
was
originally
inclined
to
vote
no
against
against
this
project,
but
with
the
reduction
of
the
parapet,
height
and
the
loss
of
the
rooftop
deck.
F
Although
I
do
like
the
feature,
but
I
and
then
tom's
comment
about
the
layering
or
my
commenting
about
maintaining
some
layering.
I
think.
Actually,
I
think
this
could
be
a
good
project,
so
I
would
be
in
favor
of
it.
F
I'll
I'll
make
a
motion
to
improve
and
just
to
codify
that
they
are
removing
the
rooftop
deck
and
reducing
the
parapet
height,
so
that
is
19
feet
one
inch
and
that
they
maintain
the
railing
across
the
I
don't
know
what
elevation
that
is.
Is
that
the
east
elevation,
so
that
it
adds
some
layering
to
the
building.
B
B
F
Yes,
exactly
that
that
that's
that
they
maintain
a
railing
across
there,
so
that
you
get
a
walkway
at
the
at
the
adu
level
or
patio
or
something
so.
F
B
B
And
it
was
seconded
by
myself.
Yes,
all
in
favor
all.
D
C
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
committee
members,
so
make
sure
you
see
the
full
screen
with
the
drawings
here.
Does
everyone
see
the
full
screen?
Yes,
okay,
great.
So
the
request
before
you
is
a
new
single
family
residence
in
visit
palisades.
C
C
What
you
see
here
on
the
screen
is
the
proposed
rendering
this
was
not
part
of
your
packet,
so
I
do
want
to
note
that
this
is
different
from
what
you've
seen
they've
updated
the
renderings
through
to
what
you
see
here,
and
I
have
some
additional
renderings
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
you,
based
on
the
revisions
that
or
the
the
proposed
revised
provisions
that
have
been
done
to
the
to
the
drawings
or
to
the
renderings.
So
this
is
the
street
view
of
the
project.
C
Is
the
site
plan
showing
the
the
house
you
can
see?
The
access
for
the
driveway
is
located
on
the
east
side
of
the
property
with
the
two-car
garage.
It
also
has
additional
storage
space
located
off
of
the
driveway
there,
and
it
has
a
side
access
garage
which
complies
with
the
specific
plan
for
locating
the
garage
not
visible
from
the
street.
C
You
can
see
here
the
proposed
landscape
and
mix
of
different,
appropriate
plant
materials
that
are
being
considered
for
the
project.
C
The
pool
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
the
development
of
the
of
the
lot
you
can
see.
The
pool
equipment
is
located
to
the
south
at
the
south
east
corner
of
the
lot.
C
This
is
the
variety
or
the
the
ground
cover
that
is
being
proposed
is
located
in.
You
know
more
towards
the
interior
of
the
lot
or
the
adjacent
to
the
home.
C
C
C
Again
the
elevation
plan
view,
and
that
is
those
drawings,
so
the
project
was
evaluated
against
the
architectural
review
criteria
and
the
city's
hillside
ordinance,
the
architectural
review
ordinance
and
as
well
as
the
standards
and
guidelines
in
the
desert
policy,
specific
plan
staff
found
that
the
project
met
those
criteria
and
because
the
city,
because
the
because
this
is
going
through
under
the
new
architectural
review
process,
we
have
also
included
conditions
of
approval
for
your
consideration.
C
So
this,
if
approved
this
evening,
would
be
final
decision
by
the
arc
and
we
recommend
that
you
adopt
the
conditions
or
accept
the
conditions
that
we've
provided
for
you
as
a
part
of
the
backup
materials
to
your
staff.
Memo
with
that
I'll
conclude
my
report
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
the
committee.
B
B
On
the
north
side,
which
is
along
the
street
and
the
west
side,
the
house
is
really
sunken
down
into
the
lot
and
it
appears
that
they're
using
large
boulders
to
create
the
retaining
for
those
two
walls
at
the
north
west
corner
the
boulders
are
retaining
the
way.
I
read
the
grading
plan,
seven
to
eight
feet
of
dirt.
J
No,
we
would
not,
so
they
would
have
to
prove
to
us
that
the
structures
that
they're
proposing
are
going
to
be
able
to
indeed
retain
the
water
and
let
it
percolate
the
way
it's
supposed
to.
So
they
would
have
to
prove
that
through
their
hydrology
study
and
I'm
not
sure
if
arc
is
aware,
but
the
properties
in
palisades
are
not
only
required
to
do
a
hydrology
study,
but
they're
also
required
to
do
individual
water
quality
management
plans
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
engineering
that
goes
into
those
retention
basins.
J
B
And
to
clarify
these
walls
that
I'm
talking
about
were
not
part
of
the
retention
basin,
they
are
returning
retaining
earth
they're
there
to
set
the
grade
where
the
grade
at
the
street
is
about
eight
feet
higher
than
the
grade.
At
the
finish
floor
of
the
house,.
J
J
E
C
Sorry
make
sure
I'm
not
muted,
okay,
good
okay,
so
there
are
standards
within
the
desert,
palisades
specific
plan.
So
if
you
look
at.
C
Six
and
talk
about
a
variety
of
landscape
requirements
for
the,
so
that's
on
page
18
of
the
report,
so
those
are
relative
to
the
plant
materials,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure.
I
think
I
believe
there
is
a
section
in
in
here
that
talks
about
landscape
lighting.
So
let
me
just
make.
C
C
So,
on
page
13,
exterior
lighting,
we
spark
sparingly
describe
how
light
pollution
is
achieved
or
a
lot
of
pollution.
Con
control
is
achieved.
How
the
light
supports
on
traditional
properties
is
avoided,
low
intensity,
light
sources,
landscape
accent,
lighting
to
be
properly
shielded
and
baffled.
E
And
use
sparingly
correct.
E
A
I
had
a
question
I
didn't
on
the
roof
plan.
I
didn't
see
solar
panels.
Do
we
have
a
location
for
solar
panels.
B
K
Hello,
I'm
nick
lafaro
from
studio
air
d.
Architects.
Thank
you
david
for
your
presentation.
I
know
that
it
was
a
glenn
mullocker
who
put
the
staff
report,
but
he's
on
vacation.
So
thank
you
for
stepping
in
and
filling
in
for
him.
I
wanted
to
address
some
of
your
first
questions
to
staff.
Thomas
actually,
david.
Are
you
able
to
pull
up
that
last
landscape
plan
that
you
had
up.
K
We
do
actually
we
do
have
a
detail
for
these
boulder,
retaining
walls
that
we're
proposing
it's
an
engineered
detail.
We've
used
a
couple
of
times
here
in
desert,
palisades
and
in
other
hillside
homes,
where
the
the
boulders
are
at
a
one
and
a
half
to
one
slope
and
they
sit
on
top
of
geo
fabric.
So
it's
something
I
think
that
we
can
work
out
with
rickman,
jarrison
and
public
works
to
solve
this.
K
But
if
you
see
along
within
the
front
yard
setback,
we've
got
these
staggered
trees,
and
you
see
this
vertical
line.
What
we're
proposing
there
is
a
kind
of
a
combination
of
boulder
retaining
walls
and
also
this
steel
picket
retention
basis,
which
you
can
or
or
wall,
which
you
can
actually
see
in
the
first
rendering
that
david
showed.
So
we
know
that
we're
not
just
fully
relying
on
these
boulders
but
we're
gonna
be
engineering.
This.
K
This
naturally
rusting
steel
retaining
system
also,
which
we
think
is
going
to
be
a
cool
feature
from
the
interior
of
the
property,
so
we're
imagining.
These
are
vertical
steel,
pickets
that
are
set
at
different
angles
and
you're
actually
able
to
kind
of
look
through
them
and
see
the
earth
and
the
boulders
that
they're
retaining.
So
we
think
it's
going
to
do
double
duty
for
engineering
and
aesthetics
for
us.
So
other
question:
for
from
tom
dosey,
we
are
proposing
a
lot
of
landscape
lights.
K
I
think
it's
at
like
90
something
right
now,
so
we're
we're
going
to
get
that
down
to
about
60
landscape
lights
on
this
project,
for
the
solar
panels,
yeah
we're
not
showing
them
on
these
plans,
but
we're
planning
on
having
those
on
top
of
the
garage
and
the
southern
portion
of
the
roof
over
the
living
room.
So
if
you,
if
you
kind
of
focus
on
the
living
room
portion
of
this
roof,
we
have
this
east-west
running
a
dog
house
a
little
tear
right
there.
K
K
I
think
every
home
up
there
right
now,
you're
you're
kind
of
stepping
up
into,
and
we
we
liked
having
this
thing
kind
of
enter
and
you're
actually
sloping
down
towards
the
front
entrance,
and
we
have
these
large
monolithic,
concrete
walls
that
are
kind
of
keeping
a
little
mystery
from
the
street,
giving
an
entry
sequence
as
you
kind
of
walk
up
towards
towards
the
entry
and
snake
around
and
in
between
these
concrete
walls.
K
Even
when
you
first
enter
the
house,
your
view
isn't
directed
towards
towards
the
grand
view
of
the
valley,
but
we're
we're
creating
a
sequence
of
of
events
and
volumes
too
you're
entering
at
a
lower
volume.
Once
you
turn
left
and
head
south
you're
opening
up
into
a
higher
volume
and
really
capturing
these
southeast
views
to
the
valley,
we're
fortunate
enough
to
have
this
natural
arroyo
that
will
never
have
anything
built
on
it
to
the
south,
and
that
really
just
helps
this
site
feel
long
across.
K
That
arroyo
is
one
of
the
only
other
existing
homes
up
there,
which
is
lot
50,
and
we
did
orient
this
house
not
only
for
the
views
of
the
valley
but
to
help
not
have
to
stare
at
that
home
too.
We
wanted
these
inhabitants
to
feel
like
they're
by
themselves
in
this
property,
so
that
kind
of
helped
guide
the
orientation
back
to
materials.
We
we've
got
concrete
cast
in
place
concrete
using
three
foot
by
five
foot:
concrete
plywood
panels
with
cone-shaped
form
ties.
K
We
have
these
naturally
rusted
retaining
wall,
steel,
retaining
walls
and
boulder
retaining
walls
we're
using
smooth
and
heavy
textured
integral
stucco
throughout
the
project.
We're
going
with
kind
of
this
darker
gray,
stucco
color.
If
you
look
at
the
left
image
to
complement
well,
not
to
complement,
but
to
contrast,
the
the
natural
gray
standard,
gray,
concrete
we're
also
trying
to
utilize
as
many
boulders
and
natural
landscaping
elements
as
we
can
for
this
project.
K
It's
a
contemporary
home
and
appearance
and
design
lots
of
straight
lines
focused
on
indoor
outdoor
activities.
We've
got
a
lot
of
different
outdoor
zones
that
we're
trying
to
bring
in
through
throughout
the
project.
We've
got
this
fire
pit.
That's,
as
you
see
here
on
the
right,
we've
got
a
fire
pit
outdoor
showers,
outdoor
water
features.
Just
anything
we
can
do
to
engage
this
site
and
frame
views
to
things
of
interest
other
than
that
we're
we're
excited
to
to
present
this
project.
B
B
A
B
B
Well,
I
think
the
concept
of
kind
of
burying
this
is
really
really
nice
and
I'm
not
against
that
boulder
retaining
wall
at
all.
I
think
it
will
be
beautiful.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it'll
happen,
but
I
I
think
that
that
kind
of
burying
the
house
in
that
natural
landscape
is
is
quite
nice,
but
one
of
the
things
is-
and
this
is
a
question
that
I
ask
on
every
palisades
house-
I
don't
see
any
pool
fencing
and
I
don't
see
any
fencing
that
even
separates
the
driveway
from
the
rear
yard.
I
mean.
B
K
For
this
project,
we
will
have
fencing
that
divides
the
driveway
from
the
rear
yard
and
for
fencing
around
the
pool.
That's
something
we've
been
working
with
closely
with
building
inspectors
throughout
that
process
and
a
lot
of
times
we're
utilizing
boulders
to
get
the
height
that
we
need,
and
I
think
for
this
project.
We
could
utilize
that
same
detail
that
we're
using
on
the
front
the
steel
pickets
throughout
and
possibly
around
the
pool
too.
If
I'm
able
to
share
my
screen,
I
do
have
some
inspiration
photos
for
that
steel.
C
C
A
K
Before,
where
these
vertical
steel
plates
are
set
at
various
angles,
with
about
an
inch
to
two
inches
in
between
and
are
allowed
to,
help
retain.
B
K
Moving
around,
we
would
have
something-
maybe
not
at
the
very
top,
but
we
would
have
something-
maybe
two
thirds
of
the
height
up
horizontally.
That
would
tie
all
of
these
together
and
they'd
be
set
on
a
continuous,
concrete
footing.
B
Okay-
and
my
last
question
or
comment
is
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
roof.
As
I
look
at
the
grading
plan,
the
finished
floor
of
the
house
is
926..
B
B
How
much
design
influence
did
you
take
to
make
that
roof?
A
very
interesting
looking
element
because
it
will
be
so
visible?
It
seems
like
those
duck.
Chases
are
all
just
kind
of
arbitrary
and
especially
the
fact
that
they're
just
covered
with
the
membrane
roofing
on
the
sides
and
the
top
makes
them
seem
like
the
old
buildings
we
see
here
where
they
just
spray
the
foam
right
over
the
air
conditioning
ducts,
and
it's
all
just
up
there.
A
K
I
think
we
do
a
good
job
of
keeping
our
roofs
clean
and
I
think
utilizing
these
dog
houses
with
our
vents.
We're
not
going
to
have
any
roof
penetrations
coming
through
it.
We
don't
have
it
designed
yet,
but
we're
looking
at
designing,
maybe
an
intricate
fireplace
chimney
that
helps
add
some
interest
to
this
roof.
I
think
the
the
concrete
walls
and
parapets
will
help
help
screen
the
roof
as
much
as
we
can
too
and
material.
I
know
on
our
material
board
we're
showing
a
tan
color
for
the
roof.
K
After
for
a
moment,
desert
palace
saves
on
lot
50.
We
used
two
colors
there.
We
used
a
light
tan
because
we
thought
it
was
going
to
help
blend
into
the
site,
but
actually
did
the
opposite.
We
used
that
on
our
upper
roof
on
our
lower
roof.
Three,
we
used
a
light
gray,
which
complemented
the
gray
stucco
that
we
used
and
actually
that's
what
we'd
like
to
propose
on
this
project
also
is.
K
It
is
a
light
gray
membrane
that'll
help
tie
in
at
the
roof
as
a
part
of
the
architecture,
rather
than
some
afterthought.
Also.
B
K
What
we
have
done
in
the
past,
too,
is,
rather
than
run
the
roof
membrane.
We
have
done
stucco
on
the
sides
of
these
dog
houses,
but
they
just
don't
hold
up
as
well.
So
I
think
I,
I
think,
by
finding
and
selecting
a
a
gray
roof
membrane
that
complements
the
stucco
that
we're
proposing.
I
think
it's
going
to
look
more
uniform
and
helps
add
it
soon.
A
A
A
A
K
Thomas,
what
we
can
do
is
look
at
look
at
revising
our
dog
house
and
simplify
our
hvac
runs
to
really
minimize
those
dog
houses
as
much
as
possible.
B
K
No
that's
a
good
idea
because
we
are
using
these
black
brake
middle
ease
on
on
the
south,
so
that
is
something
that
we
can
look
at
using
and
incorporating
black
metal.
I
totally.
B
F
Yes,
robert
yeah
nick,
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
that
some
of
the
solar
panels
are
going
to
go
over
the
garage
is
that
true,
we're.
K
Looking
we're
looking
at
two
locations,
we
were
looking
at
the
garage
and
south
of
the
dog
house
right
there
over
the
living
room.
F
Yes,
you
know
the
the
the
question
bring
that
tom
brought
up
about
being
so
visible
from
the
road,
because
it's
so
much
higher
is
that
the
ones
on
the
garage,
I
think,
are
going
to
be
very
visible,
and
so
I'm
wondering
whether
there
might
be
a
better
location-
or
maybe
I
don't
know
what
the
height
of
your
parapet
is
there.
But
I
think
it's
still
going
to
be
very
visible
on
the
garage.
K
The
top
of
our
garage
is
at
ten
foot
one
and
the
parakeet
of
the
of
the
top
of
the
concrete
wall
is
13
feet.
So
we've
got
about
a
two
foot:
nine.
Once
we
get
like
our
roofing
material
and
slope
into
it,
two
foot,
eight
height
difference
there.
F
But
is
that
the
same
parapet
height
is
your
pair
but
the
same
height
on
the
south
that
little
on
the
south
wall
of
the
garage.
A
B
B
B
E
I'll
make
an
additional
comment.
I
I
still
think
especially
up
in
that
area,
that
the
number
of
landscape
lights
could
be
reduced
further
than
60.,
particularly
along.
You
know.
Maybe
I
believe
it's
the
west
side
on
the
back
side
of
those
bedrooms
and
as
you
get
towards
the
edges
of
the
property,
I
think,
as
the
project
builds
out,
to
be
respectful
of
the
adjacent
properties.
E
B
One
comment
I
would
make
is
all
these
houses
now
are
going
to
have
solar
panels
and
it's
like
everybody,
used
to
try
to
hide
their
tv
in
their
den,
but
finally,
they
become
kind
of
a
focal
point.
I
think
it's
the
same
with
solar
panels.
I
think
you
could
use
the
solar
panels
as
a
design
element
on
the
roof.
I
would
never
want
to
up
above
a
parapet,
but
because
of
the
unique
situation
here
where
you're,
literally
above
the
house
looking
down.
F
Yeah
I'll
just
yeah,
I
I'm
I'm
in
a
agreement.
I
think
it's
a
very
nice
project.
I
like
much
more
the
direction
of
the
steel
walls
at
the
entrance.
The
original
ones
were
kind
of
questionable.
F
You
know
how
they
would
actually
look
and
work,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
what
you've
come
up
with
and-
and
I
would
agree
to
be
with
member
josie-
about
reducing
the
number
of
landscape
lighting.
I
you
know
it's
as
you
look
up
at
the
hill
from
below
it's.
You
know
it's
it's,
although
this
is
a
development,
I
think
you
know
that's
of
houses
and
stuff.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
maintain
the
night
sky
and
not
really
become
a
spotlight
on
the
hill.
So
thank
you.
B
Robert
robbins,
second,
all
in
favor
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Nick
thanks
guys.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Our
last
item
item
number:
eight
raising
canes
for
a
sign
program,
amendment
to
the
destination
ramon
shopping
center,
establishing
sign
criteria
for
the
quick
service
restaurant
located
at
5601,
east
ramon
drive
is
shawn
able
to
rejoin
us.
B
C
C
Okay,
so
the
item
before
you,
chair
and
committee,
is
a
sign
program
for
the
raising
cain's
drive-through
restaurant
that
will
be
going
in
at
56,
east
vermont,
5601,
east
vermont
road,
it
is
the
building-
is
replacing
the
office
depot.
That
was
there
previously.
C
C
So
when
looking
at
it
in
the
elevation
view,
you
can
see
here,
the
east
or
the
east
elevation
is
just
the
one
main
sign.
The
south
elevation
are
three
total
signs.
The
main
sign,
then,
there's
also
the
one
love
sign
which
you
see
on
the
left
side
of
the
graphic
here
on
the
bottom,
and
there
is
a
proposed
graphic
on
the
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen
here.
C
C
They
also
have
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
the
main
identification
sign,
as
well
as
the
mural
identification
sign.
So
this
does
require
a
sign
program
that
deviates
from
our
zoning
code
standards,
as
I
indicated
in
the
material
that
you
saw
a
few
slides
ago,
but
you
can
see
here.
This
is
the
primary
sign
that's
shown
on
each
elevation.
It's
eight
feet
wide
by
about
four
feet
high.
C
C
Has
indicated
in
the
staff
memo
that
there
are
three
findings
that
the
prc
would
have
to
make
to
approve
a
sign
program
that
deviates
from
the
design
code.
Those
are
shown
on
page
three
of
your
report
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
application,
and
so
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
F
C
So
you
can
see
the
site
is
friends
on
san
luis
rey
drive
on
the
west
side
and
then
on
the
north
side
of
france.
Vermont
road
vehicles
enter
the
the
property
through
the
existing
driveway
that
is
currently
there
at
the
center.
It's
not
kind
of
just
south
of
what
you
can
see
here
on
the
screen,
but
it's
or
below
what
you
see
on
the
screen.
That's
kind
of
the
main
driveway
and
vehicles
enter
from
a
driveway.
C
That
is
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
this
property,
and
the
vehicles
would
stack
on
in
either
of
these
two
lanes
to
to
place
their
order,
and
then
they
would
continue
around
the
building
where
they
would
get.
You
know
pay
for
the
order,
as
well
as
pick
up
their
orders,
and
then
they
would
exit
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
when
they
leave
the
drive-through
back
to
the
southeast
access
point
to
the
project
site.
There's
also
parking.
C
F
The
question
I
have
well
there's
a
break
in
the
media
over
on
the
east.
I
assume
that's
the
east
side
and,
and
it
looks
like
the
cars
go,
they
place
the
order
on
the
east
side
and
then
they
cross
over
the
median,
and
they
pick
up
the
order
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
But
then
there's
this
other
lane.
That's
north
of
that.
What
is
that?
What
does
that
mean?.
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
believe,
that's
the
what
happens
is
depending
on
how
busy
they
are.
They
may
utilize
that
lane
with
drop-off
orders,
where
that
someone
who
works
at
the
restaurant,
would
come
out
and
deliver
an
order
to
a
car.
That's
waiting
in
that
second
lane,
but
if
they're
not
that
busy,
then
they'll
use
only
the
one
line
but
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
clarify
that
if
I'm
wrong,
okay.
F
C
Correct
so
in
our
ordinance
we
indicate
that
drive-through
facilities
shall
be
adequately
screened
from
adjacent
public
right-of-ways
and
from
adjacent
properties,
and
so
we've
indicated
that
the
menu
boards
are
looking
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
right-of-way.
We
would
recommend
that
those
items
be
appropriately
screened
and
that
can
be
achieved
through
landscape
or
some
other
art
improvement
like
a
wall
or
berm.
B
Okay,
if
the
applicant
can
give
us
their
name
and
a
brief
presentation,
please.
M
Hi
good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name,
is
mia
rondoni.
I
represent
raising
canes,
where
the
permit
expediter
is
at
the
permit
place,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
everyone
for
staying
late
today.
I
know
it's
getting
kind
of
late
for
everybody.
So
thank
you
so
much
basically
david.
Thank
you
for
taking
care
of
the
staff
report
and
glenn's
absence,
but
he
he
summed
it
up
for
us.
We
are
looking
to
get
the
signage
that
he
proposed
in
his
report.
M
A
couple
of
points,
two
of
the
items.
One
of
them
is
a
painted
mural,
and
this
is
actually
something
that
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
will
consider
art.
This
is
actually
a
hand
painted
mural
on
every
location.
M
It's
done
by
an
artist,
that's
flown
all
over
the
u.s
all
over
the
world
and
he
comes
out
and
he
does
these
by
hand
and
they're.
Just
a
beautiful
painting.
That's
done
to
represent
raising
canes.
So
that's
one
of
the
art
pieces,
as
well
as
the
red
dog,
is
actually
a
digitally
printed
graphic
on
aluminum
substrate,
which
is
then
bolted
to
the
wall,
and
this
actually
actually
represents
kane.
M
Who
is
the
mascot
of
raising
canes
he's
the
dog
that
this
restaurant
is
based
off
of
so
he's
a
big
part
of
the
raising
cane's
brand
and
we're
just
here
trying
to
get
approval
and
whatever
the
commission
needs
from
us
we're
definitely
able
to
accommodate?
I
did
make
a
note
about
shielding
the
menu
boards
from
the
adjacent
properties
and
I'm
sure
that's
not
going
to
be
a
problem
either.
So
we
are
really
here
to
accommodate
whatever
is
needed
for
us
to
bring
our
beautiful
restaurant
to
your
town.
B
Thank
you
mia
before
we
have
questions
for
the
applicant.
I
have
another
question
for
staff
david.
Would
that
mural
and
or
the
dog
need
to
go
to
the
palm
springs?
Arts
commission.
C
Not
if
it's
approved
under
a
sign
program-
okay,
if
it's,
if
the
committee
says
no,
I
don't
think
staff
would
have
the
ability
to
process
it
under
the
art
mural
program,
because
it
really
is
well
related
to
the
commercial
enterprise.
That's
at
the
at
the
site.
B
B
I
have
a
question
and
mia-
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
the
drawings
or
concealer,
but
on
the
north
drive-thru,
where
you
have
the
large
cane's
mural,
there's
a
bar
above
that
mural.
Is
that
a
light
fixture.
M
No,
it's
a
clearance
bar,
so
it's
so
trucks
aren't
too
high
that
drive
under
it.
So.
B
M
It's
actually
ju,
it's
not
anything.
It's
not
neon.
It's
it's
just
kind
of
a
down
wash
for
the
building.
It's.
M
I
can
actually
bring
up
a
photo
of
what
we've
done
in
previous
locations,
but
no,
it's
not
anything
neon.
It's
it's
just
kind
of
a
it's
just
to
to
light
up
the
bottom
of
the
building
or
the
top
of
the
building.
I'm
sorry
and
kind
of
just
create
a
downwash
effect.
B
Mia
another
question
I
have
you:
have
the
the
the
words
one
love.
M
B
B
It
appears
not
committee
comments
and.
D
Feelings
maybe
a
question
also,
if,
if
that
I
don't
know
if.
M
M
B
D
M
Okay,
yes,
if
you
go
to
page
13
of
the
plans,
it
should
be
in
there.
It
talks
about
liquid,
tight
cove
lighting,
section.
M
B
C
A
B
E
Just
one
question:
so
tom
item
d,
the
mural
right
now
we're
just
looking
at
a
placeholder.
It
will
be
a
different
mural
or
is
this
considered
the
mural?
The.
M
B
A
B
B
A
E
J
D
Have
one
or
or
it's
maybe
a
question
david
is
a
project
like
that,
one
which
I
think
this
this
happens
from
time
to
time
around
the
city
or
strip
malls
or
or
buildings
like
this,
but
like
what
happens
if
the
light
intensity
is
just
foul
or
rent,
you
know
like
5000,
kelvin
or
metal
halide,
or
something
or
you
can
imagine
if
it's
bright
white
like
a
hospital
just
washing
that
down
seems
like.
G
D
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
there's,
there's
some
provisions
in
our
signed
ordinance
that
talk
about
glare
and
intensity.
So
if
it
becomes
a
problem,
there's
some
reference
that
we
can
point
back
to
and
hopefully
address
it.
Usually
applicants
are
most
of
the
time
willing
to
do
it.
So
in
those
cases
we
have
referred
back
to
that
section
to
have
them
either
reduce
intensity
or
modify
the
temperature.
C
No
just
appreciate
everyone
coming
tonight
and
getting
to
our
first
arc
meeting.
Yes,.