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Regular meeting of the City of Palm Springs Architectural Review Committee, held December 5th, 2022

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B

Okay. alright. well,. That may be a way you can screen that.

A

I, was wondering, that too. yeah,.

B

In some way. yeah, okay,, thank you.

B

Yeah, thank you.

C

Any other questions for the applicant.

C

Nick.. Thank you very much., discussion from amongst the committee.

C

Well, I'll be the first to start.. I think it's a very handsome project. I, think, the we brought up a number of issues that aren't deal breakers, but things, to be finalized,, but I'm in favor of this project and in phase of the administrative mona minor modification for the height projections and the projection of the and of the stair hallway into the.

C

D

Oh! and and mr. chairman,, the items, that that we did bring up. those could be addressed by staff with the architect planning developer.

D

Sure, robert, did you have a comment.? I think I saw your hand.

B

Yeah. no,, I I'm in agreement with you. tom, that I've I've, I'm not an agreement with the idea of the mirror.

B

At the entry,- and I I don't think it's going to be a successful element.

B

For the design., I think it's really gonna be more problematic., given the heat and the sun at the entry and yeah,. I think the only thing is, as we craft, emotion,, that we include the the items that were brought up.

C

And a side. comment, I have, I did a similar mirror done a house that I owned a couple of years ago. It's scared to meet to death.

C

As I'd walk up to the front door and see myself., I I tear the mirrors off after 24 h.

E

Yeah, I wonder if you could get this a similar effect with some kind of a reflective steel.

E

A similar look, without sort of having that pure reflectivity of of the glass. here.

E

I think there's so many mountain views around it.

C

Yeah to try, to create one isn't really necessary. and I think the reflective issues with the solar, especially probably would outweigh the trick factor of having the mountains.

C

Reflected in that little entry.

C

Yeah, yeah, and potentially, the you know when houses do get built, across.

E

Yep., the street., you could have some real bad reflectivity problems depending on sign angle,.

C

Yeah any other comments from committee members, somebody ready, to make a motion.

F

Well, I'll I'll I'll move to approve with the following conditions.

B

The the height is okay, extending to 21 feet.

B

The mirror is not approved., I think the correction of the eucalyptus.

B

I think, the providing better, access for the pool and pool, service as well, as potentially,. An entry from the driveway to the front, door is is beneficial and what else to forget something.

B

Guess: parking. yes, guest parking the addition of a pull off the area, for some additional guest parking.

C

Thank you, robert,. Do we have a second.

D

I'll second, that motion.

C

Hi! bye, bye, tom dosey,, all in favor. hi. alright. right. thank you., any opposed. okay, thank you., nick, thanks. again.. Thank you. Guys. yeah, okay, now, we're gonna go back to the beginning of our agenda,, which is the unfinished business.

C

Item number 3, djl of the desert, inc, for a major architectural review, application to construct, a one-story three-unit apartment building on an undeveloped 10,200, square, foot, parcel located, at 5., 1 7,, south mountain view, drive and we have a staff report. Please.

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Yes,, can you see the screen.

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G

Yeah give me a second., alright, so everyone's kind of saying this already. the lot is approximately 10,000 square feet., it's undeveloped., it's relatively, flat. It is pretty much surrounded by existing, single no.

G

I'm sorry, multi-family units of the same size.

G

You've got the lot here outlined in yellow near the corner of promote road and on sound mountain view, right.

G

Again as mentioned, the how,, the proposed apartment, complex, is surrounded by very similar apartment complexes on the west, south and east side and a vacant lot on the north,. Originally, this was what was proposed,. They are still for closing a 3 unit apartment, complex one story and 7 parking spaces with of.

G

Course, trash, enclosure and landscape.. This is what was initially set. Up, submitted with their initial elevations because of comments, and just revisions, going through arc. They came up.

G

With this design on in february,, there was more,. There were more suggestions from arc, which had a lot to do with, like shifting the building, to kind of create a better distance. Between.

G

The parking area, and the bill and the you know the permanent structure. Screening the gas meter enhancing, the landscape, around the building, providing locations for walllights.

G

And you know, an adequately drawn trash enclosure, and more on the front elevation,. So with that with those comments, the applicant has resubmitted. So this is their new site, plan they've. I did more landscape around the building,. You can kind of.

G

See that they've also provided a more adequately drawn landscape, plan.

G

That consists of the quantity and the size of the plants.

G

Use solar on their on their roof, and they've added more details to the front of their building.

G

G

They've got,, you know the white stacco, they've got the great trim gray,, she moves on the roof and they have screen, grat,, sorry screen the gas meter, and while wall lights as well.

G

So this is an elevation. sorry, rendering of what the finished building will look like.

G

To some extent and staff is recommending approval, subject to the conditions of approval. that concludes, my presentation. and the applicant is available for any comments.

C

Thank you. alex.. Does anybody on the committee have questions of staff.

C

No questions of staff,. If the applicant would like to give us a presentation.

C

Please state your name and describe your projects.

J

No hello! hi!. Can you hear me.

E

J

Yes. hi,, my name is ner scanner., I'm the designer for this project, I'm so pleased to be in front of you. Guys.

J

It's my first time to be here and it's my pleasure,, because I feel I I feel more, important. When I see you guys it's beautiful.

J

It's a lot of experience, I'm still learning, and.

J

This this project has came to our company for redesign,, the the previous design,, and we try to follow all the instruction from the planning, the department, and from you guys at at the last meeting. So let me share my screen, with you.

J

J

Okay,, so we didn't do a much. change on the floor. Plan.

J

I'm gonna talk about the flow plan later,, but the most comment was for the site plan and the landscape. Plan.

J

So the last comment was about pushing the building back to have like a 5 feet.

J

Walking, way, and and and in the back of the parking lot, and 2 feet for the planter around the the building,. So.

K

Sorry I didn't get that.

J

It's somebody somebody said.

L

No,, I think you can just continue oh, okay,, so we provide for I'm sorry for the noise.

J

Yeah yes. we provide for parking., so in this side and poor parkings in the in this side, too,, so to eat, 2 parking for each unit and one parking, extra for handicap, and another, extra parking, for visitor here. And can you guys, see my my mouse when I point out okay, so also.? The comment was regarding the transparent., so we get the enclosure for the threshold, bigger than before like this, and we also make the exterior finish.

J

Matching, the exterior, finish of the of the building,, and also we put the trash, bin per current, code, for.

J

The for the requirement, for the composed material. and also,, we put some planting planters in on the front of the enclosure,, so it look. It's made look nicer because it's, feasting, the street, and also we keep the separation between the the.

J

Properties with was a planter here, and in the other side, this side,. Let me.

J

But then the other side.

J

So planter, planter here, as well to separate the other.

J

My property, line, also, the comment was regarding the the screen.

J

covering the guest meters., so we make as a screen.

J

Here, to covering a guest meter, and also for the.

J

Enhancement, that the front the frontal vision. we put windows like this, and make it submitical.

J

So when you look at it,, you will see the the the building is very symmetrical, and also in the backyard.

J

J

Okay,, so we also put in in the back decompose, the granite, with with a grass.

J

We don't, we, we didn't put much too much progress,, because it's a.

J

It's a very huge backyard and water.

J

So we put decomposing as well, and the owner is open to to do any other ideas..

J

If you guys want to change this, landscape, for that backyard, and so here's, the floor plan for the the site plan. I need for the parking, showing the parking, zone,, the entrance,. Let me, show you this is the the landscape.

J

Oh, really! sorry about that!, with me.

K

Oh, okay. mayor looks like you still have the perspective of the front, showing.

J

So can you see, now that out, okay, file.

I

Okay, so this,, sorry about that,, so the this is the parking,. This is the a landscape site.

J

Man,, this is the 4 parking here,, and this is the handicap and the visceral parking.

J

And this is the distance,, the 5 feet, distance,. You see it on the side plan. here with all the all,, the dimensions, there,, the previous comments,, and this is a screen for the meter, and also.

J

Oh,, my god,, I feel bad for you.. The kids are. Are you.

L

I'm really sorry, my my wife,, my wife is a farm assistant.

J

She she has an I shift today., so I had to stay with the kid. yeah,, a yeah, no, problem.. If you need to get to that.

D

Wants to join you.

L

Is 2 years old, and he's started talking so yeah,? If, if you need to grab them, that that's fine, no problem., I I'm sorry he's like. If he, if he ask again,, I will open the door for him.

L

He's a travel maker.

L

B

I locked myself on the cost , he locked him in a closet, or something. yeah,. I got you alright.

J

Hey jane, hmm okay. come say,, hi hi.

J

L

Alright hello. hi!, the poor, guy!.

K

Go play with your room: brother, please., okay, okay,, I'm coming.

J

Hey? no problem.

J

Okay. I'm really, sorry., I'm I'm really sorry, okay,. So here's the full the floor plan for the 3 units. so, to basically, the the the lift unit, and the right lower unit.

J

Is is, is exactly similar.. The the meeting unit is the is a little bit different.

J

But it's it's looks similar to, and it has also a a door.

J

here to the backyard, and each each unit has a door, also to the side. Yard.

J

Here,, so this is basically the floor. plan,, so the elevations was the last to comment on the elevation that we need to provide the the light.

J

And the exact, dimension of the light and look, so here is the the is the life we can use on the on each, and each doorway reach an entry door.

J

Here and also,, this is how the screen I tried to get as much as a closer look for the screen,, but for sure, it's going to be looks nicer and better than this one, but this, is.

J

Basically, how it's gonna look, like, to screen the the the guest meters which look at here, on the front of the building,.

J

So pretty much, this was it for the comments you guys had last time.

J

And I think I finished my presentation. and I really, story about the the kids.

C

Nader,, thank you very much for your presentation.. Are there any public comments from the audience on this particular project.

C

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I

Okay. he doesn't like.

C

Okay, come quit.. Are there any questions from the committee for the applicant.

B

Robert sure yeah,, so a minor thing, on your your,, your electrical plan,, it doesn't.

B

Reflect any of the lighting along the side, yards, and how it's switched, so that may be something.

B

You, wanna look at that., I'm that's just a little pointing out something to you.

J

And this, this, this,: this is the first slide.

J

Yeah but you've you've got a bunch of them along the side yards off of the sliders, of where the living room is on the elevations.

B

Oh! they show up and not on the plan yup small thing, okay,. I wouldn't.

B

Just a comment: you're showing those lights as well, as flow lights at the entrance, and what's what's, the rationale, behind him,. All of that lighting.

J

On on the front innovation,, you mean yeah, on the front, by each entry door,, you have a pair of flood lights.

B

In addition to the wall,, the wall, mount.

J

Well,, I believe it's originally was only the wall mount and we add the the the the 2 light.

J

I think the 2 lights and and both sides of the door will be enough., so I think I'm gonna eliminate, this this one, so keep.

J

Yeah, I would,, I would suggest getting rid of the the the the wall, pack, with the 2 lights on it.

B

Okay., that's on a motion. Sensor., I think it's I think. yeah,, oh oh,, there you go! it's gone and then the other thing,. My other sort of commented question is, during the whole evolution of this project,. The whole front originally started with a lot more landscape, area, and we're now left with a little 2 foot. Plants are along the front of the building and just a tree, well in.

B

The middle, and it seems to me that there's a lost opportunity.

B

To get more landscaping and to create more of a garden, kind of buffer from the street, which is pretty,, you know, from the street, you've got you've, got parking, and you've got concrete, and you have building, and it seems like there's, an opportunity to get a more of a landscape.

B

Buffer there, and with laying out the court area as chain,, making some changes. there as well, as maybe reducing the sidewalk to 4 foot instead of 5., and you get a 3 foot planter in front it'll, give you more opportunities to get larger plants, and a wide variety of plants, material. So is that something you be open to.

J

Yeah definitely, definitely, I,, like,, this,, idea, and and the precious design,, not the very original one that just my previous design was ha.

J

It had one. it, it has only 3 feet, side work., but you are right,. We need to enlarge.

J

This 2 feet is too small for the for the planter,, but the only thing I don't want to push the building back.

J

No more, because it's yeah,, it's gonna, be very very far. Away. back.

J

and also the the the backyard will be too small for 3 units to enjoy their backyard. so.

J

Yeah. no,, I I don't. think you need to push the building back. any further.

B

But this is a private sidewalk, and I think you could certainly get by with 4 foot wide instead of 5, and then turn the extra foot into planting.

J

Okay., it's it's definitely definitely doable, yes,. Definitely better.

B

E

Thank you,, robert. and, and generally, I think, the improvement to the elevation. Is, is, has been great much as it's a much much better looking building, thanks so yeah, I had one comment,. I think I'm looking at the front elevation and and I'm wondering.

E

If you need to have some kind of a overhang a bit more of an overhang over the entry doors,, it's going to be that's facing east. So in the morning it's, gonna be pretty hot. I'm wondering if, if you could benefit from some kind.

E

Of a shade structure or extending the roof out to give a little bit more., you know sun coverage over those entry areas.

J

I would love, to, to to add the roof, or continue the the back roof, to the front, or even do like a shed on top of this,. But I think,. If I change. If I change the ridge, of the roof to the middle of the of the whole, building,, and extend this.

J

Gable roof to the front., it will, it will be good, too.. So I like this idea, and I'm agree with you.

E

Okay. steve, anything else.

C

Nope,, that's it for me.. Following up on that, I would be careful that it doesn't turn into one monolithic, rough.

C

Yeah I like the fact that the unit in the middle is set by somewhat and the roof does jog back..

C

It might be a consideration of just,, a wouldn't trellis, that connects, the front doors of unit,, one, and unit, 3 that fills in that gap, but doesn't add height, to the roof, but adds some shading potential, to the walkway into the windows of that metal. Unit.

J

Yeah okay. alright., so just an open like open, gazebo or.

J

Yeah, trellis. so yeah, some post, some beams.

C

D

Any, other, tom.. I have a good question for staff,. What is the rear setback for this property?.

G

D

We were set up the required one.

G

Oh, I wanna say, well, they're proposing, 29. yes., the required one. I'd have to double check.

D

Yeah, I was gonna say it could be as low as 10 I mean. I feel that that the building could be moved back further, there's not a lot going on in that rear yard, and that would just give it some relief from the parking, area. The second comment is, I'm not sure I.

D

Understand the panels of dg in between the grass.

D

And you, know, how yeah,, how that works or or is it artificial,, turf, or real grass.

D

I don't know how you're irrigated the way it's designed properly.

J

Yeah yeah,, it's just that decompose, the granite, or or might be a concrete.

J

Beavers, big papers. so just to reduce the amount of grass.

J

So we we don't use too much water and.

J

But what you've done is created a lot of small turf areas that are difficult to irrigate.

D

And would require many sprinkler, heads. and then, thirdly,. If you, if you look at the patio areas on the on the end units,, it shows the concrete, going all the way to the perimeter wall, a few, pan down to like unit,, one, or unit, 3.

D

Now this one, yeah.

I

Yeah, there there, there's no relief., so you know,, there's concrete right up against that. Wall.

D

And- and I think there should be you know,- a a planter between the wall and the concrete,, where you could at least get some finds or landscape material.

D

H

You know,, as people go out there on that patio, that would soften the wall, and then on the near unit. Number 3.

D

Okay. is it necessary to continue the front walk, all the way to the perimeter wall?.

D

Could it could it not end? You know just a little bit past your gate where you go? in the side and that rest could be landscaping.

D

If you pan up a little,, bit, you'll see the area.

D

of the sorry yeah. Do you keep see? right there,, where your gate is.

D

There's no really reason that that concrete, has to go all the way to that wall, that could become landscape at the end, of that walkway, just past the gate.

L

I isn't that the same on the south side also.

L

They have to that's correct, because.

D

Now, they might need that for trash.

J

Yeah, sure. exactly the reason,. The reason I did that because there is, there is a a sliding door. here on the living room,. So this is the only exit from the living room, or near to the kitchen.

J

So the people can go out and throw their tracks, see the trash. they can go out from here., that's why,. I extend the concrete.

J

All the way behind, exactly behind that, or like one foot behind that sliding door.. So they can go out from here and go inside the trash enclosure, and throw the trashes.

E

J

Same thing. same thing in the other side,, though they have to walk on the concrete all the way plus also this, this papers or the granite, is for them to go. Out.

J

Cool. if they want to go to the background,, so this is the only best way to get back here,. This is okay.

D

Yeah,, I I think it's it's not so much. it. It's the concrete! That's up against the wall,, the perimeter wall.

L

Hmm. yeah,, that's the issue. right., it's just like concrete., don't go back there with no relief or planting the view. Out. there.

L

It's gonna be pretty sterile, yes, and like where you have b. that that concrete could, and I mean it.

D

Could you could pull it back towards the building 2 feet.

J

Oh, okay, so, like. 3 feet. from the, from here, 3 feet.

D

From the third room.

J

Well, from from the parameter wall, towards the building, oh, okay.

D

And get some landscape vines, or something along the wall.

J

Okay, so,, but I will need 3 feet in front of the building.

J

So people come.

D

Not so much that.

J

If, I moved, it, okay, yeah, yeah, there,, you go.

K

Well. like now, I move the 3 feet., so I will have.

J

Yeah,, I think I will have enough. here. yeah.

L

Correct the same with on the east side of that fence and gate is what tom was initially saying,, though on, at least at this north end of the of the cleanage.

L

yeah, that that line can extend right, through, or maybe it's 2 foot 6., but tom's that sound right.

D

Yeah, I mean, where, where he's drawing it. now, he doesn't have to cut it back that far.

D

But just enough to get hmm.

J

That's just like, 2 feet.

L

2, or 2.6 inches. yeah. off the wall, there, you go. that could be landscaping in there.

F

Okay., typically, it's 10 feet. yeah.

D

But again,, I still think the building could go back at least 5 or 6 feet and still 30, foot is a pretty big backyard.

D

Well,, the sir,, it's it's already., it's already from the front to a property line. It's already 26 feedback.

J

So if I moved it 6 feet, more,, it's gonna be 32 feet,, back.,.

J

It's gonna be far away, back from the front.

L

Which is.? Which which is awesome in terms of getting, landscape, and softening the the impact on the street and creating a building? That's visually, much more appeal.

J

I

Yeah comedian.. I would also just indicate that it's the planning commission has already, kind of a established site.

I

This is the owner is, is my might propose an edu in the future.

J

So that's why also he wants to speak. plan.. The other thing that is also of note is the opt in his reserving, that rear space for 80 use in the future,, which will provide additional housing.

I

M

Okay., thank you.

C

Okay, committee, any other comments, or discussion.

C

Do, we have, a motion.

L

I'm trying to., I'm sorry, I'm hmm. you might. You might be able to mute that. now, oh, gotcha,, that's all right.!.

C

D

I I do do have a couple of comments.. I think you know. Until these ad use are proposed.. I would like to see some additional trees in the backyard. you know. for shade,. They have a couple of citrus, trees, and you know a 30 foot, space,. I think it would soften it, create a better buffer, between the rear, neighbors and provide a better setting.

J

Yeah. I'm,, I'm okay, with that I I can provide more to reason, the best, as.

J

So if there, is, certain number of trees,, you guys recommend just maybe 3 more, trees., because I have already 3 big trees.

D

Yeah,, look at there's 3 citrus, trees., so a couple of canopy trees would be fine.

J

And ip, trees, okay., I think you could get by with 2 or 3- might even be enough.

D

Okay. no problem.

C

Any other comments, or questions.

E

C

Do, we have, a motion.

F

D

Okay, you I was, I was just gonna- make one more comment that they have staff. You know, review the layout of the turf, along with those areas of decomposed granted, to make sure it's it's feasible and able to hearrogate properly.

D

Yeah, I, think, that david totally understood the comments.. The committee was making about that term,. So if, if the staff could work with the applicant.

C

I think it can solve that without it needing to come back to us..

C

I'm willing ready to make a motion to approve the project, as submitted with the revisions that we discussed to the size of the landscape planners along the building in the parking lot, area along the side, property lines, and the addition, of the to canada. Trees in the back. That are at least.

C

30 inch boxes and any other comments that I missed anybody oh,, the removal of the dual-head spotlights in the front.

C

Any other comment,, any other items that I missed.

C

Do we have a, second., 1, s.

K

C

Second, by robert,, all in favor. alright.

L

C

Bye bye any opposed. no, thank you, editor,. Thank you for working with us.

J

Thank you so much, and I'm really sorry again, about the kids and and it.

J

It was really my pleasure to be with you guys, today,. Thank you so much.

J

Thank you. thank you.

L

Good good luck. There okay,, we have 2 more items to does anybody need a 5 min break,, or should we march ahead.

N

Mr. nayard,, you can have to do your screen.

K

F

C

Okay, we're now, new business item number 4,, william eden owner for a major architectural application for a.

C

3 in a condominium development named eden, palm estates located at west via,, oliveira drive.

C

May have a staff, report,, please.

N

Yeah yes.: are you able to see the whole screen or should we swap?? Is that better? But the staff is certainly happy to work with the african to reduce that walkway, where we can create landscape pockets on the edges of the site, as well, as where that norly walkway, is adjacent to the parking area either way.

N

there,, we go! alright,. So as the chair read, into the record,, this pardon.

I

Oh,, sorry we'll swap there we go, so as sure jack way, mentioned right into the record,, the the project, that we're looking for before today, the planning just to orient, everyone worthy vacant, lot is it's at the corner of almost the corner of north pump, canyon,, drive, and west.

N

Via lavera, with vacant, lots currently on all sides of it,, except on the north end of via oliveira,, the planning commission, review.

N

Led this project they approved the conditional use permit.. They approved the tentative track map for condo units,, a major development permit for the construction of the 3 units.

N

And they had a approved administrative, minor modification for some setback reductions, in mobile over that, and then they recommended to the arc approval.

N

When,, the planning commission made the recommendation. They asked that 2 things be changed or revised. One is that the trash and closure, that they proposed the gate swung out into the the sidewalk. The applicant has revised that design and we'll look at it in just.

N

A minute, and also that the california fan palm, be a washington phillipera.

N

And they've changed revised that landscape plan.

N

So, just to give some background. information., the project has a split zoning meeting that write down dial through the property is the properties on c.

N

One and r. 2 and there are different height and setbacks, standards.

N

For these 2 lots., so the applicant has used this as his advantage to provide a very unique project.

N

Where the c. one properties are 2, stories and the c.

N

One, are the argu, is a one, story, and different setbacks that go with each of those. So there is a illustrate, illustrative drawing of how this works with the 2.

N

Side, portions on this are the c one zone, and then the one story on the r, one. So they are the c, 2 so items to point out in this drawing,. The trashing, cloud, that the planning mission saw is this design with the gate that swings, out, into the.

N

Sidewalk,, so this, has been revised and we'll go over that just a minute,, and then there are car ports that are included over the 7 parking spaces.

N

And that is a requirement of a condominium. complex..

N

They need to provide covered parking, where in the previous plan was rentals, and that was not required. So in your package, there are drawing showing different angles of how the buildings will be constructed. The planning commission reviewed a adjacent.

N

Property can propose was for a new 100 room hotel that is not come before a or c.

N

yet. But we wanted to make sure that the planning commission was able to see how this project related to that project. And that's what this drawing is,, showing you cross sections of buildings, to the east and buildings to the south and how the parking lots and the buildings related to each other.

N

So again, this pro cross section shows west, v. olivera through the property, north, south,, showing the car ports, the buildings, and then their relationship with the proposed.

N

This as apartment building,, but it actually is a hotel.

N

to the south portion of the vacant, lot.

N

There, is a tentative track, map, grading, plan. That's in your pro, in your packet.

N

It's a flat lot.. Basically, that goes from the oliver to the back.

N

One thing that is required for when the project is developed, is a dedication of 25 feet to via oliveira. Let me go to this slide here, so the yellow line should where the new property, line will be after the street dedication. So the red dash, line is where the property, line.

N

Is now it'll be moved back and when we allow that, when the city does take that property,, it allows us to justify a set back reduction to 15 feet to allow the applicant to build these car ports. So there's a cross-section that should we're in via.

N

Okay. olivera., the property line is with the 25 foot, dedication, and then the new property line with the setback, for the carbon.

N

The planning commission reviewed this plan and I want to zoom in on the crash and closure here that showed the gates that swung out a member of the planning commission felt that that is not always optimal when the gates are left open. If there's not because it's a 3.

N

Unit, complex, there may not be a gardener who would take the trash out, or some maintenance person., most likely.. We left up to the residents to do this, and they felt that they didn't want the gates open, walking the sidewalk.

N

So the applicant has revised the plan to show the trash and clothes are basically flipped, so that the gates, face the development and not open into the street. So, of course that alters the design of the trash enclosure,, which will now be cmu block, and not the decorative.

N

Gate that we had shown in some of the.

N

So the project, as I mentioned, had a major development permit. The planning commission gave that direction to the arc and that's.. The gate is here that.

N

Has been revised,, you could see it here, but the building materials include angeles.

N

Block, v veneer.

N

Esther cement, plaster, and various this cream color and then an orange, and then different faces with overhangs, white, overhangs, a railing system and I'll have the the applicant, is here, and they will, be able to describe this much better than I have. I can.

N

There's, series of building elevation showing building heights for the 2 story, portions, and then how the front entrance relates to the overall design. So airport design is very simple to steal, post and cantilever,. They are proposing to ev chargers.

N

With 4 hookup stations, charging stations that will be along the front for the residents to use, and that is shown in these, this drawing with the 2 ev chargers, there's a front gate here and then there are 2 water features on the entrance sides.

N

The planning commission did have a long discussion about the water features. that ultimately decided that they were.

N

So once again,, these are drawings of the previous gate,, which are not proposed. Today.

N

But there is a drawing of the e of the introgate and there is a little drawing of assign that could possibly go.

N

Here this is not part of the signage would be approved at staff level. It doesn't need to be or review by the arc.

N

But obviously, you can always make comment.

N

Drawings of the here we go, the landscape plan. Is I mentioned they where the red circle is they change the phantom, to a flipera, you'll, see that there are because of the nature of the design, there's a lot of of space, event. That is hard hard surface.

N

But where they can add plants and planters., they have added it with the 2, 3 spools in the rear, yards, citrus in the rear, and then plant your beds, along the front to get green.

N

Incident in the packet. there are 4 plans which we can talk, about, and sure that we're ends of our report in the apple.

C

Thank you, glenn.. Does the committee have any questions of staff.

K

B

I do. yeah, but regarding, this, street widening.. So is the overall plan, that all of our is going to be 50 feet. Wide.

B

I don't think rick is sure.

N

Right, it's 25, and 25., but I mean the ultimate,: that's the ultimate right away with, but there'll be curb gutter and sidewalk,. So the street won't be that wide,, but the the edge of the right of way, will be.

N

So further, further east there's those townhouses, and they have developed a curves and sidewalks.

B

So whatever this project, is, it will be an alignment with that is that right.

B

Right. it'll line up with. that. and then, when the the proposed hotel, project to the east comes online, that will all line up together so it'll be from where the the nursing facility is out, to pumpkin. You know on the elevator, will all be finished.

N

Okay, alright, yeah, thank you.

B

Good. yeah. all right, one other thing., the in the drawings. they show some signage. we're not reviewing signage under this application. is that right.

B

Right they would be allowed to have a sign and staff would evaluate that based upon the sign ordinance at that time.

N

Okay., thank you.

C

Glenn,, I know that the setback for the column that supports the carports, has been approved as a as a variance.

C

I'm wondering though,, what is the city, what's?.

C

The codes, restriction,, if anything, on projections into that setback of overhangs.

N

Right it it it meets the the so the the setback line, and then the projection is over top of the car itself.

N

So it meets those standards, based upon projections over to the 15 feet at the setback.

C

Okay, thank you,, any other questions of staff.

L

Sorry,, maybe just repeat, the last one. We was that talking about the front part covered parking in the front setback.

L

Yes,, let me pull up the screen.

N

You, just, yeah.

N

Right., so here's the new property line and the setback.

N

Is 10 foot 6 from the edge of the overhang of the can't deliver car port.

L

When you say set back,, do you mean the overhang, setback, the projection into the allowable fine yard.

N

Right., so the post is here at 15, which is over the setback.. Is that correct.

L

Is at the same time with the amm approval.

N

L

And then what is, the.

L

Seems like something's missing, from the diagram., like what percentage is that encroaching, that to the to the edge of that eve of the overhang.

L

Right. right here., I I'm having a difficult time seeing where you're pointing glam. but.

N

Oh,, I'm sorry, am I not pointing out at the right way you might be., I'm just looking at it on a small screen.

L

C

Yeah, no,, I don't see it either.. Can you see?? Now I can see the drawing., but I can't see what you're pointing to.

N

Sorry. mine just looks like a little hand.

N

C

Yes. we're looking on the section drawing on the left side of the screen,, the distance from where it shows the 14 foot to the column. What's, the distance, from the face of that column, to the edge of the overhang.

N

Or I can't get so you mean from the edge of the overhang to the property line.

N

So, so,, let me just tell you, cause. I can verbally describe it.

L

Okay. so there's a new structural setback line. and it looks like the base of the battered column- is on that line.

L

And then, and then that sets up a new distance from that step back onto the property line, and I'm I'm just curious what the percentages and feet and inches dimension of projection into that front. Yard,, I'm partially, asking selfishly because,. We we project into setbacks all.

L

The time with overhangs,, but this one looks unusually large, in its projection, into alright.

L

Right, and- and one of the reasons why this is this is being supported, is because of it's such a great reduction of the of the dedication of the street,. If, if we didn't have to do the dedication, then this couldn't would I have we could even be you wouldn't need the.

N

Setback reduction., if that makes sense,, so this overhang is probably the car is 16 feet. Long.

N

So this may be a 10 foot overhang.

C

And is that allowable within the current code?

C

Well with the setback reduction, and the am member approval.

N

L

Let me,, let me ask you a planning commission kind of question.

L

And I some, it might be none of my business,, but are they.

L

Is there any concern at all for what this sets up for the rest of the street, and this parking?.

L

Is this or this now allowable.

L

Up and down, the street,- and this is what we should expect- well, right.. We have thought of that.. I have at least that you, you know we, you know what prevents the previous project from coming in asking for cover. parking.

N

We get asked quite a bit about this working situations.

N

This one, is very unique, that it it by such a large dedication of 25 feet.

N

And with the amm we were able to do that when they first came in and asked present,, this project was apartments and the covered parking was not required and then they revert it to con condominiums and that's where we had to work with them to find a design and setback.

N

That would work to get these car ports out., so it.

N

Setting precedent for others., possibly if there's such a large setback street dedication and then a larger setback.

C

Glenn,, I think you're breaking up.. We kind of lose you every now and then, but I I. yeah have a question. that is probably out of our realm., but why in the world do they need such a wide street dedication,, there's so many streets in this town that are so wide that serve little teeny 2 block long areas, there's one, right by my house,, the street, paving, must be 50 feet.

C

Wide and there's never a car on it.. It doesn't make any sense that we just need to grab as much land for right, away.

C

As we can. when it then creates all these setback, issues.

N

Right on this street, there there would be some on-street parking in the design that we see for the adjacent hotel.

N

It won't be all bay parking like it is on the other side of the north side of the street.. So there may be instances where there could be on street parking, on the south side of the oliveira.

C

C

Any other, questions of staff.

D

Yes, tom., I I have a question glen, when, when they do the parking adjacent to the street, like that, are they required to use, decorative pavement for the parking area no, the other way was better. glenn, blynn,. The way was better. this, is the 2 screens.

N

They're not at this time,, but the applicant may want to score, the paving, or do some decorative way of doing it. That way,, but there's no other than like in you know a a specific plan, where they need to use decorative pavers.

I

Can we see the front, side.

E

Yeah,, I think, actually that I think we do actually have some requirements for bay, parking.

D

Hmm., I I I thought I recall that that when it comes off like that they're enhanced, paving.

L

Can we see that site, plan one more time, grim,, or can you just leave that up.

E

No worries., sorry am I doing here?.

N

Being not cooperative tonight.

L

Sorry okay, well,, while you're working on that.. Maybe we can continue.

N

Okay, now,, you can see it, I don't have a specific question.. I just want to ponder on it.

L

So, tom,, if you want to continue yeah,, it went away.

E

Yeah, yeah,, we can't there we go.

B

Okay, there, you go. okay,, any other questions. then, for I mean, come back, john, to you, when when necessary,, but any other questions from the committee for the staff.

C

Okay, the applicant. could the applicant,. Please give us your name, and a brief presentation of the project.

C

Hi, there!, a r. c. how are you this is?, I'm jeff giraski, I'm an interior designer, who is acting as an architectural designer.

O

In this particular project, past client of mine. we've done a number of projects down here in the valley, and this is the latest. Of course. He bought this some dirt, a trip down from canada, and we went ahead and put out a multi building structure on there. He originally wanted to do.

O

A apartment. but obviously,, he said that it would be much more beneficial to do a condominium situation here, I'd like to introduce zaida bronze. It is my architectural technician. If you will, she drew all the plans and she's gonna carry.

O

It through through permitting she's gonna, do the actual presentation of the plans to you. cause she's much more technically adept than I am.

P

Hello!, my name is sida braun, and I'm the architectural system for mr.

P

Jeffrey, I'm gonna share the screen with you.

P

So I'm gonna address,. Can you guys see my screen? Is the precise gradient plan.

P

Yes., so when, when we started working on this project, we designed the project and we were going all the way to our property line.

P

You know our setback is 25 feet from property, line.

P

And we were kind of already developed the project. when we find out there was a 30.

P

So we have to go work for design and cut design by 30 feet.

P

So,, if you see here on the precise grading plan, here's an the 30, right,, then the 30 food eastman,. This is the center of the street, and we cannot move make these parking, covert parking, spaces more than 14, feet,, because then we will, be encroaching into the road, basement,. We.

P

Can build anything, into the road basement., so we work with glenn and the engineering department to trying to make this work and a parking cover parking spot for 14, feet over here.

P

I'm it is code, cause., usually car car us have call, is 9, by 18.

P

So we decided. this. has the old trash and closure that was presented to planning we're gonna, because this is a multi-family, project. We're gonna need an aga accessibility to the project, so we're making this path.

P

To be ada, and we have, in a van accessible. aisle over here, we're proposing the ada parking space.

P

Here, and then it doesn't show in this plan,, but we have the post here, and from the center of your daughter to to the post, is 14, 6, oh, for the post, business,, the setback that glenn was trying to find earlier, fourteen-six so and right here,. We have. We have added 4 ev.

P

Chargers., let me show you.

K

Alright, so as you walk in here, on the in inside,, the property,, if you designed the phone for that to create a little bit of romanticism, and these modern design, he added to water, fountains and decide,, and then we we added a gate, here,. You know for privacy, into prevent people.

P

Going you know, once desired people into the property we're dealing with a little bit of a rap,, but we are under 5%.

P

Which we don't need railing so we'll you come into the property.

P

This is the entry to one of the 2 story, units.

P

This is you come over here.. This is the entry to the other 2 story, unit, which is on the commercial part of the property,. The split zone,, and then you go to the right over here, is the single story.

P

P

New york. is the landscape plan.

P

Already revised with the crushing closure., so the plan commission was concerned about the doors opening through the sidewalk and upstructing the path of travel,. So we did a lot of revision here and change the thing of the doors, on the inside of the property. So you still it's, still gonna have.

P

To be ada accessible., but that way gives each tenant, you know, trashing. closures,, so they will. they will have to pull out their trashing closures.

P

They trash bins, when trash, they and then they will have to pull them in. So I don't know which, which is a better solution having the tenants pulled the trash, or having the doors, open. So I don't know I mean they can leave those trash. Can there for days, too, if they're.

P

Not in town,, so the the owner is planning to have a an and I'm pretty sure appropriate. Management.

P

So here you can,, you jeffrey, you can. do.!

P

You want to explain the landscape here, well, I'll, have it on.

O

The landscape is the errandscape, all the way through because of the condensing of our site.

O

Development., we couldn't go with any big open, spaces.

O

Either side of the unit, 2 entryway there and then some nice tall palms, and the entry, courtyard as well, they get up over the first level of the architecture, and the the unit, 2, on either side, of it. Because these, are individual buildings as a walk away, to the back.

O

That a pool,, person, or a gardener can go through to, and a series of gates..

O

They can isolate, what their function is and access to the schools, or the brief lap, pool, behind unit,, 2, or part of that destination, right there, but essentially it's, an error, scape landscape, against the south wall, across the entire length is a raised planter bed, with I think,. We have a.

O

Okay. gabby's planted on those yeah. that back wall.

P

They're, bringing, data, response,. These are green desk, phones. yeah.

P

P

P

and then, as we move on the project.

P

Here is the they,, the line that is proposed for the for the caller, parking., so planning on us, concerned about shooting, the light to the street.

P

So we created a a line that will shoot towards the apartment, building.

P

It will be place at the edge of the cardboard, transfer.

P

Most likely will go in these in this quarter,, which conflict with position. We want it to prove our monumental sign.

P

But we'll deal with that on a later submitter middle.

P

Here is the section going with join before. Here is the center of the street.

P

So we have an 18 18 wide. one size. Street. here is the other side.

P

So the street is actually,. What is 30 34 feet, wide.

P

So to the center of the goddess, 18 feet,, and then we have a 6 2 to sidewalk,, so 3 feet, gotter, see for 6, foot, 6 sidewalk,, which is the city standard,, and then we have 18, feet, park, install, from the edge, of the park, install,. We have the.

P

Overhang over the carport, 14 feet.

P

So you see here on the back of the oh,, the property is where that?.

P

Hotel is gonna, be so here, you see, we're gonna create a little retaining mobile,, because the greatest, slightly higher on this side, and they were gonna. Do these corrugated fencer fence, around the property.

P

On the other section is, is sideways. so on this side of the property is also the hotel is going that way where we have our residential part of that. Oh sony.

P

Here we have the old gate, sign oh, on detail,, but this is the front gate. We're proposing is that 5 foot a 5 foot tallongate with some modern design, we're proposing to paint it white, so I can plan with the we have the angel's.

P

Blog, of a year, on both, side of the of the water, features.

P

Here's,, the other section with the card port, since we're asking for the purport john of the overhang here, from the process line. So it looks here, is the proportion is 14 feet to 5 to 5 foot is about 25%, where it's, from the property, line.

L

So it's a 75% setback, violation.

L

P

P

So we also submitted a preliminary floor plan., so you can see that the unit this zoom, it has a staircase over here.

P

I will go through a second.

P

That's the unit queue,, that's unit. 3.!

P

So it's third case. here it goes to second floor with a master bedroom in a nice thick master day, with a glass railing.

P

Around. unit, 2, is also, 2, story, 2, story, unit. It has a split stairs, because above, there, is 2 masters.

P

So we're coming on both sides, and each one has to take that lands into the next unit. This is for code,, reasons.

P

So we need escape., so we created a little date,, the lansing to the next unit on roof.

P

We also pro we're providing a room plan for your.

P

P

for you use in here only notice, elevations.. I can go back to the material board.

P

I also provided color, elevations, we're proposing the perimeter wall. Walls will be low about 3 inches.

P

And we're proposing these white mix, color, angela's block and above the the 40 wall over here,, we're proposing,, a corrugated metal and with a part paying caller and then hey paul. I'm gonna be also the same caller, they're, not.

P

Gonna stand they're, all black, or great charcoal, gray,, then.

P

On the architectural block., we're proposing to do wide, a block of a year. from angel's blog regular veneer, I think, is a by 16, long and very modern stack pattern, and then we're mixing the colors on the with 2 colors on the plaster,, we're proposing a notice month finished, but a line dash finish. It looks almost.

P

Like smooth and on the patients faces, we're gonna do a twelve-week face with a steel beam, like a holist.

P

Still being painted on this, this charcoal gray, finish.

P

All doors were gonna, be metal frames. now doors hmm they have to be vented for mechanical rooms, and we're gonna paint it to match. The json balls windows will be the dark, bronze analyze, aluminum, with the low e, obviously great team.

P

Lazy, and then we're proposing here to have a glass frailing continuously with a show shoe.

P

Let me know, shoot in a aluminum cap that caller will be to match the window. frames!.

P

Oh, all dark bronze,, and then I provided a couple of remed files. Here.

P

So you see how the looks like in the fencing a couple of reviews. bye.

P

You can see here you have the the deck. for this unit. Is there is the older escape.

P

Take the glance into these lower unit, and then the last pages are the renderings.

P

So you can see where the orange paint is allocated. the wide pain in all the materials.

P

I hear you say aerial view.

P

P

L

Well, wait for tom to dictate, the q. a.

L

Of all thank you, zeta yes, question, from the committee for the applicant shawn.

B

I think we do, public, first.

B

C

Yes, you're right, public comment. do.. We have any public comments from the audience.

C

For this particular project.

C

Okay,, we will now move to questions from the committee. if we do end up finding somebody, from the audience.

C

We will let them speak. shawn.

L

Yeah, thanks. got one. more question. see?. I guess the staff thing. 1, s.

L

The questions for the applicant,, the the front cardboard.

L

Can you tell us about the design, and why why that roof is sloped in the column?

L

are, and it seems a little out of alignment with the rest of the design.

P

Jeffrey is a designer.. He wanted to do us a steel frame to mimic, the ibeams,, the dolly flanches,, so it will be more detail obviously later on construction. Documents.

P

But as you see,, these double thick line over here, and it didn't go.

P

Very well,, but you could see some depth over here., so these and you can see some that here. so is to create a lot., more industrial,, look and mimic, the steel beams that w flash and this slope I mean he that was the idea, behind that jeffrey.

O

I just wanted to basically do that cantilever and and express a little structural integrity in the aesthetic,. There.

L

What material, is, the ceiling, on on the card, port.

P

We probably gonna end up using some standing same roof.

P

On the ceiling,, not the roof.

L

Oh, on the ceiling! it will,, you probably will do exposed oh, they're, rendering shows solid,, but it's probably gonna. Have this exposed structure, steel, structure.

P

So we can mount the lights at the end of the the canopy.

L

What what do you mean? by what is an exposed steel structure to you.

P

We can make it out of it's just's or w. flanches,, one, say, engineer,. We have the engineer, joins,. We can do that.

P

I'm talking about the entire ceiling,, though not just the supporting members. What is this?.

L

Right., it's a slope, ceiling.. So now everybody gets to see it. and we're looking at does it?. Does it have lights in it,? Also.

P

Yeah yes, we're, we're proposing, these slides, lunch.

O

And those are lights that are going to be on the back side of the front facia.

E

O

Surface that shine backward toward the the curb of the front wheel, curb, but the underside is going to be solid, it'll be painted white, it's probably going to be as minimally thick as we can find to sheet metal, probably or something along those lines.

P

Yeah,, so the roof will be the sheet metal, and then we'll try to make it work.

P

With oh, still still tubes and w. flanches. so has that edge detailed that he's looking for.

L

So. alright, yeah,. I guess I'm still confused about the ceiling. Material. okay, I, understand a structure, for tube and widespread.

L

Okay., but I'm not gonna, I'm gonna move on from that the.

L

Why is the the cardboard, structure, white and and can you flip?.

L

To while you're thinking about that question, you the very last rendering or elevation.

L

You show that was colored.

P

I feel or the elevation.

L

Go to the last slide in your check. there.

F

L

Sorry., I thought I saw a different one where the car port was a different color than it is there? I'm I'm curious.

L

You could stop there on that one, if you like,, it seems the quits. What's the story behind the white, for this, when they it sounds like none of the other walls, at least out, on the street, here, really are like. This almost feels like a color where you, haven't decided yet on the zealand. The.

L

Eve of the cardboard,, the post,, it's.

L

Goes like you just want. We we did,, if the. If the one is to sterile and to reflective,, we can pick another.

P

Caller. oh, and tone it down!. If that's, I guess that's what I'm asking is. Is it like how important is it to you?.

L

But I think,, if, if that's your answer, and jeff, is that yours, that you're not that important to you, for it to be white.

O

Well,, it is important because I was hoping to minimize its aesthetic effect.

O

On the elevation of the buildings., frankly, because I was trying to rather than make them a statement right at the curb line, I was still hoping the architecture would be the focus. The vantage point that we're looking at here is a little little misdirected in that.

O

You're kind of getting your knees in order to see this viewpoint,, but when you're walking, by I'm kind of hoping these car ports are more of a wafer, that allows the architecture, to still be seen..

O

Through, and the idea was to make the car ports almost disappear in the white chrisness of the stucco color beyond.

L

Do you feel, like your account. well in my perfect world,, the car port shouldn't be there,, but that is the nature of the game. Here.

O

So I'm not sure unless I make that I mean,, if we were to pick another, third color, or black or something like that, we're now introducing a a little more demonstrative. Structure.

O

Than I think, I'd like.

L

Can I question one more, color, w? What's this, what material is the orange?

L

that I'm looking at on these garden walls or low walls that are just beyond this carp.

L

Oh, those, yeah., those are the actual building, walls. they're stuck up. That's all.

L

And is an integral color,, or is this a painted? Stack,, though it's likely to be painted, yes. yes., is that a budget issue. it's not integral, and that it's painted correct. we're not doing a 3 layer, stoker, we're doing a 7,, a cement, plaster, and it's a budget.

P

P

well, 7, a is typically 3 buyers.

L

Right,, so we can do if you,, if we can, do integral caller,. I know that orange will fade. It will have to be maintenance.

P

So if we put an integrated caller on the orange,, at least, it will help.

L

I am not tracking that at all., so it is integral color does or it is painted, trying to see. If this thing looks plasticate being painted or it looks like it's got, some nice.

L

Model finish leading the witness now.

O

Yeah, it'll be it. I would expect that the the color be the the velvet, sheen that done edwards has,, which is just a shade above flat, but shawn. The thing, is it's,. The the richest, of the color is simply gonna fade, so it's, gonna be painted at some point in time. Even if we.

O

Go integral,. The integral color is obviously a better look,. No doubt about that. I'm.

O

Just not so sure. how long the lifespan of such a product would be okay.

L

Hmm., I think that is one question I had. If maybe you guys can answer or staff glam,, they pull set back along the rear, w.

L

What how wide is your planter along the rear property line? If you could go to your site,, you might zoom in on the rear, yards, on your landscape plan.

P

Sure. yeah, yeah,. Let me just get the the dimension, is right: here., gotcha. oh!, not to mention.

P

No, I'll, let me get you a dimension.

P

So the planter is.

P

About 30 inches, wide.

L

From the pro. okay, is that right?.

P

From all more clear,, it will be clear from the face of the wall, to face of the wall.

L

How about from the property line to the pool side of that wall to the cool side? Okay,, let me get out to mention.

K

Real pretty line.

P

L

Hmm!, what's going on there, just underneath?.

L

Where you, through that red dimension., it looks like your pool, kind of jogs underneath,, the planner,. What.

P

And that's a fire feature on on the race planter nice, gotcha, okay.

O

It's centered on the rear door of unit 2. There.

L

Gotcha, okay. and then we have an eastman here. We have one foot, e electrical eastman in the back.

P

So we're not against the property line.

L

I, see. yeah, hey?. That's all the questions I have. for now, folks,. Thank you. Yeah.

C

Thank you. sean, other members of the committee questions.

C

I had it. oh, go ahead, robert.

B

Yeah, so,, a couple of things: can you talk to me about the what's the thought for the scale, and the of the water features at the entry? It seems for such a small area.

B

To have a 12, or 13. foot,, hi, water feature seems really out of scale for that small space.

O

Zaida,, would you mind putting that the previous plan?.

P

You on this one.

O

Yeah there, yeah,, so robert, what's going on here, these l. -shaped structural elements are, are all. cmu.

O

So each building has a a book ending cmu, l-shaped structure, that the the residential space wraps, around.

O

If you look at the floor, plans and in mass, you'll see that they appear on all 3 units, several times,, which allowed me then to play with the entry statement coming from the street and it if we have. Basically those are steps. Cascading steps, of.

O

Cmu they're, either tiled or waterproofed, and the water just kinda, trickles or cascades down and welcomes, you as you as you enter the property.

B

And is it going into a gravel surface?? Did I yeah, yeah, the water disappears into a gravel surface.

O

B

That's correct, so your pump is sub submerged below that. okay, and then on your jumping to your entry gate.. You have a detail in your drawings, and it looks like the actual, because of the tongues that project in each direction.

B

It looks like you just have about 2 feet of clearance to get through one side of the gate.

B

To me., that's a real hazard.

B

if I'm understanding the how the date functions but.

B

There is a panel on each side.

B

B

B

Alright., which is fixed right., so if, if you go to your left, or what the on the screen to the left, the elevation, not the dimensions,, so you 15 inches of fixed panel, on each side,, you have 2, or 2, clear, and then you have 20 inches, of tongues. You know going in both direction so.

O

Yeah, that's a robert, that's a good point.!

O

I didn't realize we're only in my mind.. We were opening both gates, at the same time,, which obviously alleviates your concern.. But if you only open up one gate, and pass through there's only 2 foot, 2 available to walk through.

B

Yeah, yeah, so, I yes, okay, thank you., so we can, change. yeah,. We can change the dimension of that zigzag to to some,, not as substantial.

O

I, and then as a pedestrian gate, having something, project, into a walking service,, I think it's.

B

Not a great idea. well,, we don't want any fat people around either., so.

O

No, no, we don't.

L

No, yes,, we do.

P

Alright, so we'll revise this to have a little minimum of 36 min clearance. It's ada.

P

So we gonna have to do that yeah alright, and then I I'm having a little trouble, also with the amount of landscaping, and the type of landscaping, you're proposing for the front of the building as a buffer between the living room windows and the car ports. You know it's, right on top.

B

Of each other. and it seems like, if you're in your living room and you're, looking out at the front of a car or car, pulls in,. You know it's. I think you want to rethink the kind of landscaping that you have a along the front of the building, to give a little.

B

Bit more offer. I'll just leave it at that. I, and I think you were probably going for some more architectural kind of geometric approach.

B

But I don't know that that's really a good approach.

B

Here, and then 2 more questions of accessing the pools for the pool service.

B

Right., so you come in the gate and front entry gates, and you go either to the right, or the left,, and then you're crossing, you're crossing a planter area between a pay the to get to some stepping stones,. So what's is that what's happening at that planter or that you.

B

Have to drag your equipment across, to get to the pool.

B

And that that's on you know at the front of the unit, too., I'm talking about yeah.

P

Right, there, yeah.

B

Right, here, right there.

O

Yeah,, I think units will. and 3,. The access would be around the outside primer,, the building,, but as far as getting to unit, 2, and the equipment.

O

There, either. go, we,, there's 2 modes of approach. One is the one you're concerned about right here and the other one is walking through a series of gates to get to the middle units, equipment.

O

I guess that hasn't been worked out. Just yet.

O

Yeah I think, and maybe necessary to put a paved connection between the main walkway and those corridor. We delivered.

B

So a pull person, servicing unit, two's pool would then cross through the backyard of unit one. to get to it as well,. Is that what I'm understanding.

B

Yeah,, that was exactly well, yeah,. That's one of the 2 routes to get to it.

O

Yes,, the other one was to go into the interior courtyard, and walk their way, left, or right of unit, 2, to get to their equipment.

B

Okay, and then the last question I have is on the west elevation of unit 3.

B

I think it is, you have something some element., that's not called out.

B

It's looks like it's a 2 story. high. I don't know. if it's corrugated, metal, or some sort of fins,, but it's on the 2 story, elements.

O

Yeah,, I think you're talking about the fins that are basically a solar.

O

Okay. filter, for the stairway on the other side. yeah,, that's like,, vertical blinds is what they are.

O

So there's a window window back there yeah, there's a window behind that. Those vertical blinds basically shade the stairway..

O

That's 2 stories high there.

O

Okay. alright, thank you. oh,, my last question.. What are you doing?.

B

P

Where you gonna, you know coded changing january, first, so we're gonna have to have solar there,. Once we get the title, 24 requirements we'll allocate the panels.

P

And the 3. rules.

F

B

Okay., thank you. Okay.

C

The question I had revolved around the roofs. is.. I look at the roof. Plan. you're calling out an eighth of an inch per photo slope. I believe code, requires a quarter inch per foot.

C

But the main question is: are you having gutters at the edge of these roofs, or drains?.

C

Or does the water just going to sheet flow down the facia.

P

With you working both ways., I just did a project. where I I did a gotter allow along all the perimeter or we can.

P

Oh!, this detail is pretty neat because we don't want to see biking.

P

So what we do., we have a steel to here that is going to be exposed,, and when we do, we put a little piece of steel on top, and then we can. We can stop started sloping the roof. So what the water goes. It. comes, here.

P

And then it comes here, and then here we put a drift,, so the water will come here and drip.

P

Does one detail the other option that we have in think about and it's gonna be based on budget and what the client, you know,, as in mind,, is to create a gotter here. So the water. comes over.

P

Here but because we have all county levers., we have to put a trained in each corner, and try to route it.

P

On these these walls, and here,, so that's the other option.

P

But this is gonna require obviously more. still, more money., so we can go one, once we are there,, we can do either one.

C

K

And part of that consideration,, I think, is all of these big roofs, and all that water are draining into very narrow walkways, and to very hard surfaces. So they're going to be a real issue. I think, with water flowing through those narrow walkways, between the buildings,, and so I think, your site.

C

Drainage is going to be critical.. If there's any way, you could contain that water into roof drains., it goes down into underground range, of course, would be the prime way to handle it.

C

But it's just something to to certainly be aware of.

C

Right,, so all the other thing., if you see in the precise grain plan, we're retaining all our storm water here, and on the ground system,, and we have a big manual here for access to empty that. So that's one of the requirements, of you guys, requirements, and we have to retain.

P

All underground., so when we designed the the grading plan will have to connect all the side drainage to that vault over there.

C

C

any other questions of the appetite.

C

Thank you., okay,, jeff, and zada.. Thank you very much.. Let's see the committee discussion amongst ourselves.

C

regarding the project.

D

Shared, prom well, I'll start.. I have a comment mr. jiraski mentioned on the car ports, that he kind of moved them to be almost part of the building, or or not.

D

So evidence. and I'm wondering if they just came out flat versus having the the tilt to them, would help that elevation that he was talking about where they would be look like they're, just an extension of the building and a wafer type element. I I also think we need some additional.

D

Landscaping on the sides of the building., if they could introduce some vertical type, trees, in the side,, yards, and and perhaps along, the back, of the in the planter, area,. Just to soften,. You know,, some of those taller, elevations from the west, side, and on the east, side of.

D

C

Thank you., john walsh,.

H

Mr. chairman,, I just a few comments and and kind of an overview of it, first, of all,. I I sort of salute this effort at this is high density,, multiple unit housing and it is ambitious and I think, you're it's it's a a packed program, that you're.

H

Trying to get into a very limited space, with a lot of obstacles to to that happening,. I worry about, as this gets pulled into construction documents, things that seem sort of innocuous or like as well. Details now turn turn into problems. A couple of things: caught.

H

My eye, if the stairs might need a second look.

H

I I think there may be some head height, issues, and just their general layout, with respect to winders,, which are very difficult from a coat standpoint.

H

Now, with the new codes to get that to work and and unit, 2.

H

I guess it is. It looks like to get the stairs to work.

H

We have to kind of ascend, a couple of risers.

H

To get on that landing, and then we open the door, and we kind of step back down again.

H

So I I just had questions about about that conceptually,. The the thing that I also I would I would wonder about is you've got the largest outdoor private spaces at the rear there and in units one and 3. It is just the bedrooms that are taking advantage of that, as opposed to.

H

Your larger living, room,, dining, room and kitchen spaces., it's it's it's,. It's gonna, take a lot of work, to kind of get it,, all, working,, all right.

H

It it looks like it's lacking breathing space, because of the.

H

Intense program, and they could sure use, some some simplification.

H

That's it, and- and I I also I I was listening to mr.

H

robins, comments on on the fountains, in front.

H

I worry about the fountains in front. and what kind of a lifespan?

H

they would have? would, would they be in it for a 5. year run or something.

H

That's it, tom,. Thank you thank you,, jim,, okay,, other questions, or comments.

C

C

Hmm., I'm gonna kinda, add to sean's concern about the car ports, because, as you look at the clear story- windows in unit,, one,, unit,, 2, they're, almost right on the facia of the car, port. So it's going to really be an odd experience inside the units, as your looking out,, those yes., clear stories,, and if those claire stories remain., I mean I love the way they surround that fixed center wall,.

C

But maybe the clear stories need to be considered that the glazing is obscure or something so that you are not looking right, at those faces, of the car ports,. I I I agree, with.

C

Everything that john, was said. it's in the ambitious project.. It's got some very interesting design, elements,, some very subtle design, elements.

C

Just saying the way that the balconies on unit,, one or 2,, lay onto the roof of or one and 3 lay under the roof, and number 2.

C

There's some really nice little subtle, deeping,, but the comment about working everything out, as you get into construction drawings is something to really pay attention to.

L

Yes, sir. quick! can I make a comment. there,. The one of the things I might question also is the height of the card, for it, and it and I think, tom dosey,- was alluding to this or commenting on something.

L

I had been questioning, which was the slope of the carport?, that I I don't know that the soap is achieving the way for thin appearance, or helping it.

L

It almost feels like it's enlarging the elevation of the car port, the height of it, also feels, if that were a garage I was designing. I wouldn't design that for an amazon truck. I would design it for back and cadillac escalate, or something, a.

L

Large, suv, to be able to fit in there,, and and this feels like going back to your clear story.

L

Our challenge,, maybe it could just be lower,, maybe flatter reduces,. The footprint and elevation of the of the carp, I'm not sure.,.

L

The color also seems very stark and bold, in contrast with something that is that I feel like if we're trying to make it go. Away.

L

It's very bright in its white color., and she particularly that shiny white ceiling,, is that I I'm just like I'm not buying that the whole thing's made out of I being sent to see either anyway,. It's bugging me.

L

Yeah, I, yeah,. I have a problem with 2. and in in this section you can actually see the the sideline out of that clair certain window above the you're, you're, looking right at the back side of that structure,. If you.

L

I don't know. if you yeah, it does. and it looks and feels like there, so anyway,, it's not a question.. This is a comment.

L

Be nice to reduce the height. yep. sorry steve, go ahead.

E

Yeah, I know,, I I think looking up is an open, structure. also,. I I kind of understand what you're saying.

E

But if you do want it to go away, I think it needs to be kind of thin.

E

You know, cleaner and you know, and and again, it does,. I just think it feels a little bit alien,. You know it doesn't really feel congruent to the rest of that. The structure.

E

Because the rest of the structure is is quite nice., so.

C

I don't know what the height of the cell of that clear story: is., but if the carport were made thinner and could be lowered so that the top of the car port aligns with the silhouette window,. That would solve a lot of issues.

C

Other comments.

C

Do, we have, a motion.

L

I'm challenged with making a motion and and one wanting to approve a portion of the project and wanting to review again, another, portion.

L

Of the project, and, and so that challenge with me lies within wanting to approve the buildings.

L

But yet wanting to see some site, out elements, and some other things updated and represented.

L

Update, etc. meaning like the gates, is some of the water feature, questions that we're brought up the front, all those gates.

L

Now, in their fixed, side,, panels, become shorter and what that does in the landscape?.

L

I think there's there's some things here that may have a domino effect.

L

Including is a cart port,, which I think needs a bit. more.

L

Study, that's an elaboration on what I was.

C

Shawn, I have that same mixed feeling that you have that the building seems really close.

C

And there's a lot of other things that need work., but I think because this project is such a tight, small scale, of, land.

C

And so much is going on. It really all needs to be approved at once,, because as soon as you move, one thing, you're going to affect another.

C

So., I think I don't know that I'm making a motion.

C

Now,, but I think, is what I would suggest is that this, be continued and brought back to us with rest study of the carport and a lot of the different landscape and and access issues that we talked about.

L

Yeah yeah,, I think john walsh, is, concern for stairs and clearances,. Is it as kind of a while, you're at it? Item, might be yeah,.

L

So is that is that the motion, then or I guess it, it. yes, it could be the motion.. It is the motion.

C

N

So chair. I have a few things., so one would be the front gate, change,, the dimensions,, the color design of the type car ports,, the height,, the enters along the front of behind the car ports, the front of the the buildings, also to add vert and.

N

Landscaping on the sides,, possibly vertical landscaping to soften the walls, and then once again,, the car port design.

C

And I would add to that a design of the face just showing how the water is trained after us.

B

And and well, it's your motion., but I would say something about the the water elements at the entrance to I, I think, they're john's, point that in 5 years, they'll be inactive and will be an eyesore,, so I think some some other alternative should be explored. There.

L

Which which, if I can just elaborate on that water, feature. thing.

L

Sure. now that you're, throwing that when, in there the I felt like something much more subtle and subdued, could still have a lot of impact in in terms of a water, feature and just not be as loud, and an attention, drawing, grabbing, is the height of in in the magnitude of what's presented.

L

There,, I I do., and I think I think another thing to consider is as we get into a worsening drought, situation.

B

Yeah remember,, a few years ago, all warda features were turned off, and they just sat there as ugly little you know. yeah, I, yeah,. I think I think the water feature. personally, needs to turn into some sort of way, landscaping.

B

and and just abandon that completely it it's a maintenance.

B

It's a long term maintenance, issue., it's a it's a water suck, and it's yeah.

L

Can. I?, I just want to say something and comment on both glen's recap of of what we were just proposing in terms of emotion.

L

Sure, please. and then including yours, robot,, and so I just want to clarify jeff, the do you know.

L

Like glenn,, the lockers had had a listen, and he said,, you know, color needs to be changed and soap needs to be changed.. I don't.

L

I don't know I wouldn't take it like that. Verbatim.

L

What I'm saying, indoor suggestion., I think that team here would agree with me,. Is that we're we're asking for a restarty.

L

You, you! how to go we're, kind of we're, listen to what your goal was for this, and I don't think disagree with you that it was a good goal and we don't think it's quite that successful and we're asking for a restarting if it come back and it's.

L

White and you've got a good argument for why,. It needs to be white.

L

Or this material needs to be that then you know,, I think I think that's we're we're open to that also, and and to me it's same with the water feature.

L

The water feature got reduced in some way. and it was you were really poetic about it and passionate about it. and it needed to be a part of this project. I don't but then maybe we're buying that also, I think in its current, form,. It's a tough sell to this tonight's, crowd.

L

I got you my my years on arc. I've. I've got you.

O

I've got your lingo quite well,, so not not to worry. gotcha.

J

I'm not discouraged at all in fact, and as far the discussions about the car port, if I can get those reduced down and height and I'll work with glen on that. That would be spectacular for me. I so I'm looking forward to the chat of fine.

O

Tuning it a bit.

C

And jeff that might include raising the plate, height of those units, one, and 2, 6, inches, or 8 inches. To give you just enough to play with.

O

Well, we get., you know those ceilings are 10 feet. Right?

O

now and those orange walls are 8 feet,. So the only vantage point, you would actually see, the car port right now would be as you get into the bowels, back a ways I should say, in the house, but if I can drop those car port lids down and play with the the slope on.

O

It. we can achieve both what I'm trying to achieve and what your concerns are.

C

Okay, so glenn,, can you help us or help me clarify where we are with emotion? or how we're proceeding now.

N

Alright, so those just to reiterate,. So the the look at the front: gate,, the dimensions,, the planters, along the front, and other, landscape issues,, with the the planter beds, between the parking, edge, of the parking and the front entry, front walls,, and then at some.

N

Vertical landscaping on the sides to soften the walls and in the rear, and then the car port design and I think, the you've, given him good direction.

C

Yeah. and please add to that, the design and the facious,, the steel, 2 forages.

N

All right,, the the roof, right and the water features.

C

Okay,, after that, if that is my motion,, do we have a second.

L

C

Hi! yeah second, by sean,, all in favor, alright, any opposed great. Thank you, thanks, everybody.

C

and thank you design, team,. We appreciate your input. Yeah.

L

Okay., can we can we take a 4 and a half minute recess.

C

Yeah 5. we'll take a 5 min. break right, now, little before 8., so we'll come back with that's after 8.

F

He's here, okay. there,, we go. this meeting is being recorded, okay,. It is 8.

F

o, 3, and we are back in session, for our last piece of new business,, which is number 5, pinnacle palm, springs, llc, for a major architectural application for the construction of a 3,600, and 27, square, foot, house on a hillside, lot and an administrator.

C

Minor rodification towards to reduce the front yard setback, located at 1,, 7, 1 one pinnacle point: we have a staff, report,, please.

D

Yes. excuse me, mr. chairman,. I would like to recuse myself from this project, as I've done work with the developer on previous projects.

D

Okay, tom,, thank you very much..

N

Oh,, thank you. Chair.. Are you able to see the screen??

N

Is it full? both sides no,, it's not we're. Seeing 2.

N

alright.. Let me split. Let me there we go.

N

That's it alright,, so pinnacle point,. The arc and planning commission have looked at multiple lots in this 12 plot subdivision today, we're looking at lot, one which is in red. The red box was the very bottom of the hill. As you know, the entrance gate is to the to the.

N

West,, the lot, too, has been constructed. lot. 3 is under construction and then there's 3 existing houses, lot 7 at the top of the hill. At the end of the call to sack has been constructed, light 10, I'm sorry lot, 9. The arc has reviewed and asked.

N

For a rest, study,, and that is in taking place, lot, 10 is under construction.

N

I'm sorry is finished and sold, and that leaves us with.

N

Some of the other lots are are difficult to build on., so we're here to talk about lot one, and it is brian foster designs which you've seen before looking at a site. Plan.

N

There they're using. to construct a 3,627 square foot, house on a hillside, locked with the pool and most of the app, outdoor, activities, facing west,, which is the mountain views they're, proposing to have a 15 foot setback so.

N

They're, asking for a reduction in the front yard set back to 15 feet.

N

For elements of the building, front, portions of the building.

N

Here the garage will set be set back, 23 feet,, which allows a card to be parked off the street and into the driveway.

N

There are some illustrative design drawings of what the house could look like. You'll see it's a a gray stucco structure with a garage to the east and stack stone with the oh, outdoor elements, to the west. Vancouver, proposed is minimal landscaping using polarity.

N

Trees, creosote barrel,, cactus,, yucka and lance, hannah.

N

And it's again, the building materials are shades of of gray,, with whites veneer, stack, stone, groups.

N

Building, elevations,, the height of the building,, the maximum, height of the building, is at at 18, feet,, which meets the zone standards,. When staff first saw the project we had them, extend out the west facing overhang to help with solar control.

N

And we'll talk about just a minute about the great differences. so once again, there's a floor plan showing the garage, the great, room that faces west, which obviously will have a lot of key gain..

N

They've added this up: 6 foot overhang to the west to help with that.

N

So, as I mentioned lot, 2 sits higher up on the hill.

N

There's an hla open, space, and then this dash line.

N

Here is the natural grade.

N

Alright, trying to get the hour. glass is the natural grade, which will remain and then there's another.

N

Retaining wall. here, that drops the house down to 5 knit, 5 95.

N

Where the other house is 10 feet, taller, sits higher up in the hill.

N

This is common and palisades., where the houses are terroristing down the side of the hill.

N

Pinnacle., I'm sorry pinnacle, I'm getting my and getting my hillside development confused.

N

Hey yeah., we do some totally different shawn. yes.

N

Once again,, this is another cross section showing how the relationship of the the lots work,.

N

As you know, in past houses we've looked at recess lighting and what the lighting plans are. There are very few lights, that face the the wash or the the riverside county, drainage, area,, that's to the south,. Mainly the lights are on the west.

N

Side that there's no lot that's below it, other than the houses that are on avenue. sovia.

N

Engineering, looked at the the grading, plan when it first came in and they asked for some revisions.

N

When you come up, the hill, the lot is semi-graded, and it sits about 10 feet. Higher.

N

The pad,, then the curb of the street,, and I have some photographs that will show that and then obviously, there's, a steep slope off in the back in engineering. Had them. We look at how this these boulders and retaining would work for the pull deck and once again, you can see how.

N

The ha!, the garage is somewhat sloped up to the garage door, just some.

N

Pictures of what it would look like., they did extend this overhang, obviously,. It will still meet need to meet title 24.

N

With the heat gain on the through the glass.

N

All will have. this pick advance,, which is currently used on the lots,. The rest of the lots into development this, is you'll, see a picture of unlocked 2.

N

in just a so. This is the elevation change from the curve of the street up to the past, and they'll engineering. Has them designed this and we'll landscape, it so that it's keeps stable. As I mentioned, the pad is fairly flat. It's.

N

Already been graded. a few years, ago.

N

Stone stack wall is the the lot, 2. wall.

N

This is the front of the house, of a lot, too., so landscaping will be similar.. This is the house that if you remember, arc,, we talked about how this being very open and glass,, and or apparently like that, because they have not put shades, into the glass,, and then this is the situation. Next, at the lock 2, which there's the stone.

N

Wall, cmu block, and then there's the metal picket, fence that they'll use itself.

N

This is the house across the street. That's.

N

Almost finished. the landscaping needs obviously to be improved.

N

And share,. That concludes my report. So with this review, it includes the setback. Reductions of the front yard set back to 15 feet.

C

Thank you, glenn,. Are there any questions from the committee for the staff.

C

I I have a couple of questions, what the colors of the the material palette?.

L

Can can you just elaborate on those a little bit, and, and you showed a slide of the house across the street.- you showed a couple. Houses. one., I believe, is a house next door and then the one across the street looked like it had a a large percentage of the facade that appeared white in color, but then then the other house,, where you commented that the owners had not yet put shades in the front.

L

Blazing that seemed to more natural, or more gray colors than the house across the street,, and I'm I'm now, I'm wondering as the most visible house from down below and and that avenue is severe a lot of kind of peninsula, a flag lot across the.

L

Street,, I'm wondering about colors and what's really going to be visible from this on this property project, yeah, sure.

L

Right so can you can you see the full screen. here,? So this is a you know, and these colors, they all they are similar in their shade, and this one is called reclaimed, wood, and metal, fringe,. Let me get to the I'm: I'm not a color, expert.

N

But these are all sort of similar,: they they look this color,, but they end up white and kind of white looking,, depending on what side of the house as we looked in those photographs,. If you look at this photograph.

N

This color seems darker than this color,, which looks whiter.

N

Umhm., that's what I'm worried about is that lighter.

L

But when, when you're there,, this is a bright white,, it's not., it's more of a grayish color.

N

L

You could! the pad height. oh, sorry. okay. is,. Did you want to elaborate?

L

No, so the pad hype being 10 foot higher than the street that occurs at the driveway. Also there's a 10 foot slope. There.

N

But no, the slope is at the.

N

Gotcha., northwest corner of the lot is the greatest and as it goes, up the hill,, the slope. yup. graduates and- and we have alan sandborne on ready to speak about the grading plan.

N

Yeah, is there an architectural site? plan that shows a clear front setback line of that I'm, guessing it was a 25 foot setback. What what part is violating that 25 and causing the need for the 15.

L

I'm gonna apologize in it. there,. You go.

L

I'm looking at a tiny screen: tonight. oh,, challenge., sorry.

N

Sorry so this is showing the fifteenth.. I don't know if you can see this hand.

N

I can. no. yeah. input setback,, so you know another 10., the the house is in the set back.

N

The 12, 6, is a wall here, and 12,. 6. is here so.

N

Don'tning code allows for a hillside lot to have a 10 foot front yard setback,. However they're not asking for all of that,, but they are asking for this front yard setback for the portions of the house that project into it, and the garage is set back and we have growing show how the.

N

Relationship between the front, of the garage and the front of the house are.

L

Why is that?? It is just cause., so they can use reuse the same floor plan throughout and not alter it.

L

Is why the need for the setback reduction.

N

Well,, it is to fit the size of the house on the lot,. The other locks that we looked at have also had amms, to reduce the front yard setback.

L

Hmm, gotcha,, that's all the questions I had,. Thank you.

C

I'm glad that it appears not appears.. There is a portion in the rear yard set back to where the master bedroom intrudes into the setback. So I I'm assuming that needs to be added to your portion of the house. That gets the amm.

N

Having a really tough time with the slides today,, I'm I apologize.

C

Right, here,, you're right.

B

There,, you can see it. The bottom left corner of the house projects into the setback yep. and I'm not saying that's an issue.. I just wanna make sure we put it in there am so it gets approved.

C

It is, it is a 15 foot, really yard setback.

N

And that's showing 13 feet.

C

Any other, questions of staff.

C

Okay,, if the applicant could give us your name and presentation of your project,, please.

M

Oh, scott, lyell,, here brian foster, fell ill today., so he's unable to make this meeting,, but I have we have with us.

M

Bill, o'keefe who's, the architect of record and, of course, allen. Sound words on bill is calling in remotely, and he does have his screen,, but he's not able to share his screen,, so glenn,. If you can help, will bill out if there's, something that.

M

Comes up and we're just gonna go ahead and leave it up to to you guys to ask us any questions.

M

And bill and and myself, and I'll do the best we can to answer them.

M

So how about bill.- I don't know if you want to add first at this point,, please feel free.

Q

Can you hear me?.

C

Q

Okay. sorry, first time. I've done this with you folks..

Q

So forgive me if I for the blubbering up.

Q

So, basically, as a len described it pretty well, as far as what we were trying to achieve, I'm gonna, let you guys first, you know, make your comments, and get your opinion on it. We've tried to the house is in the re,. You know where we're taking the same model, and putting in on.

Q

Every lot, and just trying to reconfigure you know,, to get the setbacks, an amm on the setbacks. That's not really what we're trying to do it's just. This was a particular design for this particular log and as you see,, because it curves, in on.

Q

The log.: that's why we have some architectural features,, then that one corner towards the I guess northwest it sticks in. It's not really a major mass.

Q

Portion of the building, so that's what we're trying to do.

Q

It's not like, I said the 20, like you mentioned, glenn mentioned the 23 3 feet to the garage itself,. So there's just some architectural elements that are pushing forward yes,. The bathroom does stick in there a little bit, but it's really some architectural.

Q

Features, we're trying to enhance the house that do that and on the back, it's just a matter of keeping that bathroom and and bedroom, kind of squared up,, so they're more functional this right down to takes, but as as glenn said, these lots. This is about the.

Q

Seventh plot, the old terrorists, and so we're kind of fighting the slopes, and that's why we always push. Obviously the driveway to the portion,, that's the most level, to the street itself, feel free to ask,, whatever questions,. Thank you.

Q

Okay. well, before the committee asked questions.. We would open it to public comments.

C

Is there anybody from the public who's in a waiting room. our audience who would like to comment on this project.

C

It appears. not so now we will have questions from the committee to the applicants committee members.

C

I have a question, and glen, if we could look at the roof plan, which is a 3.1.

C

Well,, you can see it in this elevation view: also,, there's a long flat, wall, the highest 16 foot high wall that goes across the end of the living room,, but a portion of it, projects, across onto the garage,. So if we could look at 3.1 and we'll see that and I'm just, wondering.

C

What the reason is for that higher rough section, that little rectangle in the upper right corner of the high roof to be over the garage,? Is there something in the garage that's taller than the rest of the garage, or is that just an architectural element.

C

You want me to input on that.

Q

Sure. it's,, you know.. No, what we're trying to do is and we went back. th. This is not the first design we'd submitted over to glen..

Q

We actually went back trying to enhance the characters of that. All 4 sides have more overhangs and detail.

Q

And they weren't a bunch of flat rules. if you will., and so that was the effort, is just trying to create more. shadow, line and interest in the front of the building.

Q

I think that's pretty evident from sort of the the rendering, you know.

Q

2, and 3,, which you were looking at, it's just a effort to create more depth. So it's not just a flat facade.

Q

So there's no feature underneath it.. It's just we're trying to create more interest to the furniture.

Q

Well,, I think it kind of created less interest, because it made that sixteen-foot, eye wall,, so long.

C

If I could make a slight suggestion., if you took the northern wall of that partion,, that extension, that extends over the garage and move it towards the street about 2 feet, could we see the 3 point, one sheet, there? If you take the portion, that's over the garage and move it.

C

Towards a street about 2 feet right there, glint down down there,, take that wall and move it through 2 feet, and extend it to the right, over the front face of the hub, excuse. Me.

C

Extent to the left, over,, the front, to the left,, my left,, you yeah, over about 6 feet worth of that higher roof.

C

So you get a layering. you'll, then have part of the wall at 16 foot, this new. All I talked about drop that down to 14 and a half feet, and then keep, your other pair, at 12, and a half feet. Now. We've got 3 different, stair,, stepping parapets, on the front that I think.

C

Could be more interesting and also you're showing a 12 foot, 6 parapet? That's between this, while we were just time out in the street,, but the parapet at the street, is 12 foot 6. So there's no reason for that pair, but in the middle to be there to save you, some money not to build.

C

L

Unless I was just called out incorrectly.

C

Well,, if you follow it around the 12. foot, 6 is called out all the way around..

C

So I know, anyways, that those are mailing comments about the roof.

C

Glenn w. while we're, on this topic, would you mind going to their rendering that sort.

L

Yeah east to southwest view.

L

Maybe keep going. one more. The other front, elevations from the garage corner.

C

Q

Yeah, I, I, I, see what the I see. What tom's talking about.

Q

And I think, that's just an overseas. that extra little 12.6, piece that we're talking about there.. I think that actually shouldn't be there. That was just hiccup. Forgive me.

Q

So the the 12, foot, 6 at the farthest, point, closest to the street,, is the correct one,. That white one is.

C

What. right, and you can see these elevation views. if that corner it projects out over the grudge,. We're drop 2 feet so that you've got a stacking effect of the roast 16 foot. 14.

C

Foot 12 foot., it could,, I think, make that front facade a lot more interesting.

C

Well, then the problem would be: is the the element, the detail, we're trying to create the stone veneer accent, would then get crushed down,.

Q

No, no,, I'm not talking to change that., I'm talking about the portion, that's over the garage right there,, where glenn's cursor is.

C

Oh,, you can't see it sorry.

Q

C

Okay. well, wait a. second,. Do you see, my little bubble,? Do you see my little circle, that I'm moving no.

Q

No,, we don't see your drawing okay. okay.. I've got, I I have a mouse. and I was trying to market,, but it doesn't show so you're talking man just a little rectangle, that's above the garage.

Q

Right right, yes. just bring that down.. I I don't think that would be a problem to just cut that down to fee.

Q

And then bring the front, towards, the street 2 feet., so you've got a layering of the planes,, both horizontally and vertically.

C

I see what you're saying from, and I I don't think that would be good detrimental to our design at all.

Q

Yeah, I think, yeah, just to comment.

C

No, no,, I I think it has some value.

C

committee, members, other questions for the shawn.

C

Yeah I have just a couple,, so the on that same height is that taller parapet.

L

Is I'm, I think that's the sixteen-foot parapet, is that pop up above.

Q

2, now, let's see 18, that's well,, that's the 18 from the sorry. It.

L

Yeah, it it works, looks really large and opie up there. and kind of out of proportion, with some of the linear lines of of this house, is. Is there any reason that can't be reduced by 2 feet or more.

Q

Well,, will we because that that section, you're talking about covers, the great rooms, so we're trying to keep the great room ceiling, high, so that we can.

Q

What what height is that grave room. then see you like.

Q

Well,, the the parapets, ceiling, you're, always gonna, lose we're. Gonna lose probably 4 feet easily down to 14.

Q

Oh,, how do you lose 4 feet?

Q

Well, when you, when you get when you, when you take the slope of the roof,, you take the par first,, you take the purpose you can down off the parapet,, so the drainage will goes to the roof drain. Overflow drains, and then you take the slope of the.

Q

The minimum requirement is slow., we've already lost from the yeah,. Basically, it's down, as you know,. If you look at 8, 3,, one you'll see that that drops down to 16.

Q

16, one in the corners, and 16 6 at the top of the cricket,, so we're down to 16 already,.

Q

That's already 2 feet, and then just because of the slope in the distance.

L

So then minus a foot of structure., but then that's 15,, for so it's about a 15, foot, high ceiling.

L

It's about a 14 foot high ceiling,, because we then have to get the framing in which is about 2 feet. Deep.

Q

So we can get mechanical through the framing oh!

Q

got it., so so the ceiling,, the ceiling's only about 14 feet.

L

Yeah yes., which is to me ridiculous., it could be like 12., but I think you guys are gonna push back on that.

L

You know, we, we,, we most of the buildings in this project are all 14,, so.

Q

Can I ask a couple of more questions., so what what is the garage, door?, material?.

Q

L

Garage door. material is stated on yeah,. It's it's an aluminum door.

Q

And it's painted modern masters, silver color, emmy 150., which is what we've used on the other buildings in the community.

L

Which? One's out on here.

Q

It's actually it's it's not on that schedule, but it is. It is listed in on a 4.1 and 8 4.2.

L

And as I said, it's, can we just see it in another photograph, glen.. Sorry, I'm just.

Q

If you,, if glenn goes to, if glenn goes to, maybe one of the other projects,, you would see the same door.. I believe.

Q

It's that color there. okay, yeah. and that mike gray that's being used on the on,. The.

L

I guess it's the one west wall,, the house.. Are you open to making that a doter, more natural color.

Q

Well, the remember,, the west wall is the one with most of the windows.

Q

I mean this,, this is this: is the house, the other house not is across the street.

Q

So ours, is facing west. but actually,. If you look at the elevation on sheet 800, and 41 for the west elevation, there's really not a lot of surface.

Q

There is actually the color you're, referring to it's.

Q

Yeah, maybe I've got my bearings off a bit.

L

Most of it, is the windows,, the slider, and the clear story above the slayer.. Maybe it's the is it the west and then no,, but they're still a lot of wall, there, and it's super high underneath.

L

It little eyebrow thing in my jiggi and and that above that.

L

My guess is that color drops around there. besides.

Q

It's it's just I mean in this in this position, yours, you know,, obviously we're trying to show the full rendering of the building. But in reality is you know,, a human being.

Q

You know, 5,, foot,, high and she's, really not seeing everything that you see here,, because you're, not you're, gonna see the bedroom on the right hand, side of this picture, and it's, actually going to be blocking that upper, section, of the of the wall, as it does with the number of.

L

The. accepted it's not, though, from the from the valley, and and from across the street, on the on the other side.

L

On the side, view of where this rendering shown, and so.

L

I guess I'm I'm trying to do something, not for people on this side within themselves,, but rather offsite.

L

And it's a lot of like color on to me, what I think is going to be the most visible project from elsewhere around surrounding properties.

Q

Well,, that's just it., actually, the other properties, across the way.

Q

And behind this all drop down., so they're not seeing up and over, like helicopter like that rendering they're, you know, they're seeing from below, as I said, before,.

Q

I don't have any more questions.

C

Pardon, me thanks sean,. Anybody else on the committee have questions.

C

Okay, thank you, bill,, we'll discuss the project.

C

Thank you,, john.

C

Questions comments, not questions, comments from the committee members,. Please.

L

I'm a little worried about that.. Sorry. Can I begin?.

C

Yes, shaun, please yeah,! If you I'm a little worried about the the bright brighter, lighter gray, being used, and wondering if we can darken up the house, a bit to have it blend in more with the hillside,, particularly from just the places. I said across of that avenue severe yeah,, it's sort of flag lot over there,. I.

L

Know looks directly across the the to lower lots, on the I believe I have my variance, right. The north side of the street, the pinnacle way call to sack street, the runs up there it's, the far west end of that project, good they're, not built on yet the at least that furthest ones.

L

Yeah looks pretty difficult to build on at all, and sits pretty low,. So my guess is this: gonna be a pretty open view to this particular project from that or direction,. Likewise, I think from the southwest and and south.

L

Also., so if the house could darken up a bit,, I I'd rather have that discussion rather than having down the package trying to get them to lower roofs and sal lines and things, like that, because I just.

L

Because of our experience on these past projects. and now it aligns with the architecture of the rest of what's up there., but the color, I think, could be altered and probably should be okay.

L

And shawn., I totally agree with you, especially because when we very first started seeing projects here.

C

Hmm. they were all white. now that they've gotten the concept that they can go ahead and use some different colors, and a variety of colors.

C

And it still makes a very interesting neighborhood.. Maybe this is the darkest house in the entire neighborhood,, but because it is the the front, house,, the one that people see from off-site, it does to me.

C

Make the most sense. it it is the most suddenly stand out of any of the houses.

C

Yeah, so, re-presenting a a color palette for this particular house and making it the darkest would is something I feel like wheeling and dealing on, particularly if this, 15 foot, setback, reduction, which seems bonkers to me in the front. But.

L

I'd be willing to wheel and deal on that.

C

Yeah,, I think the setback issue has been kind of you, know, established by other projects.

C

Here, there's. certainly,, I think all of us are designed to house that fits on this lot, and complies to the setbacks,. But it's this particular plan that they have. They do need some setback reduction for that front bedroom and bath, and at least we do have the 23 foot deep driveway. So we.

C

Can, totally park cars off of the street,, you that's it, and that's kind of how I,, like all of us,, could have designed the house. to fit within these setbacks, or making a minor,, but it particularly like the rear setback. Violation that you pointed out is just it feels lazy and quite mute.. It can't be a single adjustment, to the to the plans for this just to throw it down on the law.

L

Yeah the the setback reduction bugs me,, but again, like to use it as a bargaining chip.

C

Okay, other comments.

C

Robert. oh, no. I'm sorry, steve yeah,. I my comment really is about the back elevation.

E

At the pool with, I know, planning advis them to add the highbrow over the long window, and the sliders, but it really feels tacked on the other, one on the on the small volume to the right feels more integrated with a facade, but that one feels like it's.

E

Just kinda stuck, on., so I think that should be revisited. a bit.

C

E

Yeah,, I think,, if that, if that overhang were to really ever be functional, at all, it needs to be not at that, above the clear story,, but between the clear story and the sliding glass door below it. That would never hurt the view, because you're, looking mainly out and down,, not out, and up.,.

E

Yeah, I agree. I mean,. You could actually take that the one above, the doors on the other, smaller volume.

E

Right. and just you know, just bring it through actually work. well.

E

listen, to tweak.. Can I I mean? interject.

C

Who is this scott oh!.

L

No, no,, this is bill.. Sorry, it's tough let,, us, let.

C

Thank you. yeah,, let's finish our our committee comments., and then we can have rebuttal from the applicant, any other questions, or comments, from the committee, robert..

C

This I'll just I'll just say you know.

B

I we've we've discussed a lot of these elements. Time and time again.

B

And we keep getting, faced with the same elements that are issues with the design,, I'm not I'm personally,, I'm not that the look rear set back for the 2 feet. I'm not really willing to give that. I that that is just that is just a real, simple tweak of the angle.

B

This house has so many angles going on that they could resolve that very easily.

B

So whatever, we we decide,. I think that the they need to at least redesign to maintain that 15 foot set back at the it and it's a minor, thing,, but I mean we've. We have discussed with this applicant on other projects about the heights of the cilings about the.

B

Heights of the roofs, about the shading on the west, facing you know. This house could have easily faced south and would have had equally as great views, and and would it.

B

Potentially, you know, wouldn't have that west exposure,, you know, for 13 feet of glass, is just insane.

B

So anyway,, that's all I have. to say.

C

Thank you,. I think I've heard that before., but thank you.

H

Hey shafu yeah.

C

Anything else. john, did you have anything anything additional? okay,. I think the committee has kind of had.

C

Their say, bill o'keefe, did you have something you wanted to respond to.

Q

Yes, please., so what I was trying to get at is talking about the the overhang above the clear story on the back, on the south, side, pardon, me the west, side. The thing, is, if we drop it between, then all of a sudden, we're going to get an awful lot, of.

Q

Sunlight, in that clear story,, and so I would rather talk about lauring it to the clear story than lowering it below the clear story, as far as the colors. If we had to.

Q

Go, you know. take the hmm, 3 the 6 to 6, and make it the field, and drop a darker color for the 6 to 6..

Q

You know,, and I think we could entertain that and as far as the other comments.

Q

We're talking about the section over the garage that little square dropping that down.

Q

So it's terrorists more. I think we could do that.

Q

Hi! again,, I'm. I can't speak for my client.

Q

Obviously,, so I I have to go back to him unfortunately, he might be in the hospital right now,, but so I hear you I'd appreciate. If we it's something we could work out with glenn, and make these adjustments, as opposed.

Q

To coming back again to the ark.

C

Thank you,, okay, committee,, any final, comments or a motion.

L

Shawn. I make a motion. I'll make a motion that we require that this be reviewed again, with a rear setback with the following items,, the rear setback adjustment, no violation with that. A revision and re- study of that eyebrow along the rear.

L

Was facing facade a and a darker palette,, and it frankly, should be a new palette, making this the darkest house on the block,, those those 3 items,, not, and not a minor adjustment in a in a slight, tweak, of the light gray to it. The.

L

Next step down and don edwards catalog,, but legitimately darker than considerably darker, though, what's being proposed. Now for that, particularly that lightest of grace those 3, items, and.

B

Thank you. good sean. Can I just raise one thing by darkening the stucco color.

B

You know they're calling out for a white stack stone in the front.

B

you know, that might need to be re, adjusted as well.

L

So it darkening of the stack stone in the in the front,, not white,.

L

C

Yeah. free. select,, a different. stone.

H

Yeah and sean,, I think we had a fourth, one. Did we capture the the parapet? On top of the garage,, the adjustment tom? You were suggesting.

L

Okay. okay, can,, I throw just one more piece of spaghetti at the wall.

L

here,, the we we didn't get into the landscape much,, and I only bring this up because or comments about bringing up some things that we have discussed in the past. I didn't look at the landscape too. Much, got and sorry I'm doing a call from an iphone tonight.

L

But I'm I'm hoping there was no white stone being proposed in the bronner,, particularly on any sloping area where any other house outside of this neighborhood has to look up at it.

Q

Can I answer that sure.

Q

Okay., so there is no white zone, there is no white stuff. thank you. okay,. Do we have so sean's motion.

C

Can I? can I get a clarification of something.

C

Alright,, thank you. Let us finish our motion, and then we can clarify.. Do we have a second to sean's motion.

K

Awesome. second.

C

Second, unwash your hands up, first,, all in favor I. alright. okay. okay. any opposed okay,. Mr. o'keefe,. What did you mean, clarified?

C

I was just curious from sean standpoint. yeah,. If we make the field, the 6 to 6 color,, which is in the color palette,, you see as the lighter color would that not be acceptable, and then work with the darker, color, for the accent.

L

Can we can we take a a peek, at that again.

L

It's so I'd have to get the land to pull that up. Again.

C

Alright. you know. it's so hard to see, sean cause. Gland slide looks like one thing, and the book that I'm looking at looks like a totally different one for the color.

Q

At least,, if you go to that.

Q

As a representation.

L

None of these are numbered. Are they.

Q

The 6 to 6, the the upper, left,, the upward left to the 6 to 5, was the lighter, color,, the one to the right,, and this is 66,, and so what I'm saying, is,. If the field is the 6 to 6, and then we go, darker for the accent,, would that work, with them? What you're, thinking about.

L

I'm I'm having trouble answering that question.. So it's on the top row across horizontally.

L

That's the darker color that I was suggesting.

Q

It's the second from the left is that what you're proposing become the field be the field,, the main stucco color versus the one to the left of that which is presently the field color.

Q

Yeah, generally,. That sounds like a step forward in the right direction to me.

L

With going,, with going,, with the still darker color for the accent, color.

L

Correct you get that concept. yup.

Q

That was what I was thinking.

K

That's what we're looking for.

C

I think, this is kinda it it like rodman had pointed out. This now affects the stone color, potentially,, the garage door, color.

L

I can't remember- and I can't tell from that palette- is it I never mind., I'm not gonna chase that down with window frames and that sort of thing is, I believe, you're keeping a consistent power.

L

Throughout the project, I want.

C

K

Okay,, so we will see a new color proposal with the recent metal.

C

Thank you that ends our agenda tonight,. I do wanna make sure everybody in the committee got the invitation, for the planning department, christmas do which is thursday, night at kathy for mex house,. If you haven't, gotten that talk, to days, that are somebody at planning and they'll, send you that.

C

And hopefully, we'll see everybody there, any other comments.

C

David, anything else.

I

This is our last meeting until next year.. So so we will see you on january seventeenth,, because the first meeting in january was there was complex with the new year holiday, and their meetings.

I

So we won't actually have a meeting for over a month,, probably a month, and a half.. Now.

I

Wow! get ready for a big agenda.

L

Yeah yeah, gonna be,, a whopper yeah.

I

Yeah, that, yeah,, the only the only thing I'd like to mention is, I,. I think a plan director had one had mentioned. The the city is going back to in person, meetings again,, but we have the hybrid option.

I

Available for members of the public who wish to join us via.

I

The virtual format,, so we will look forward to being again in person next year.

L

So so sorry, that's that's not a hybrid option for committee members.

L

For now, I think it will be unless we're told.

I

Okay. otherwise., so if a committee member does want to participate remotely, they that option will still be available.

I

H

And david,: is there any discussion in terms of moving the time back to the way.? It used to be.

I

Not yet once zoom cancel is seated.

I

I think we'll have those discussions again., but yes,. We do have the committee's desire to move the meeting.

I

Earlier and staff would also appreciate that too., I'm sure to wit. what time is it.

E

And time, for bad, it's 9., yeah., okay, yeah,, let's talk. thank you, all very much.

C

Yeah yeah and thank you for participating in a long meeting and happy holidays.

C

If we don't see,, we'll see you next year, yeah, happy,, holiday,, friday.

L

I

L

Thank you., alright, right.