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A
B
C
B
C
E
C
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
welcome
the
commissioners
staff
members
and
visitors.
There'll
be
a
time
for
public
comments
later
in
the
meeting
if
any
of
the
visitors
have
them.
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keep
your
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during
the
meeting
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and
then
unmute
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and
please
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not
use
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chat
feature
in
zoom.
C
C
C
Next,
we'll
move
on
to
staff
comments
by
patrick.
A
number
of
them
have
been
covered
in
a
memo
in
the
agenda
packet
but
feel
free
to
discuss
any
of
them.
Patrick.
A
Or
thank
you.
So,
as
we
mentioned,
we
did
list
a
lot
of
things
in
the
stat
the
update
memo.
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
updates
and
changes.
So
in
terms
of
council
meeting
topics,
the
commercial
waste
and
recycling
ordinance
did
go
through
its
second
reading
and
there
was
no
discussion,
and
so
that
is
passed,
and
so
that
will
go
into
effect
in
30
days.
A
The
eb
charging
streamline
permitting
topic
that
we
thought
was
going
to
go
forward
on
november.
12Th
did
not
so
that
was
pulled,
so
I'm
coordinating
with
folks
internally
to
get
that
back
on
the
agenda
in
december
and
then
the
sustainability
scholarship
program
presentation
did
not
happen.
That
was
also
pulled
due
to
time
concerns
so
I'll,
just
report
on
that
in
december.
A
A
So
we
will
be
posting
that
probably
early
next
week,
if
not
by
the
end
of
the
week,
so
I'll
be
sending
that
out
and
around
folks-
and
I
imagine
there
will
be
some
interest
in
that-
and
so
we'll
do
some
interviews
here
over
the
next
couple
months
and
hopefully
select
somebody
and
have
them
in
place
in
january
time
frame.
A
So
next
month
will
be
dan's
last
meeting.
So
we
will
virtually
salute
him
at
that
meeting
so
and
then
just
the
I
think
I
put
the
info
in
there
for
the
shredding
and
e-waste
event.
It
was
a
big
success
and
about
five
tons
of
paper
that
was
shredded
and
we
had
a
whole
truckload
of
e-waste,
but
we
haven't
gotten
the
data
on
that,
yet
so
we're
following
up
with
them
to
get
some
more
data
on
that.
Other
than
that.
A
I
think
that's
about
all
that
I
wanted
to
touch
on
at
the
moment.
A
C
Questions:
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
patrick.
Next.
We
move
on
to
public
comments.
This
is
time
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability
commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
commission,
the
commission
values.
Your
comments
about
pursuant
to
the
brown
act
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
C
I
guess
not
so
now
we'll
move
on
to
presentations.
C
C
The
three
presentations
this
evening
are
from
commissioners
and
the
presentations
are
based
upon
comments
that
were
made
at
the
end
of
the
october
meeting,
where,
when
we
go
around
the
go
around
the
room
so
to
speak,
the
topics
were
such
that
they
weren't
developed
enough
to
have
them
as
new
business
and
and
to
necessarily
make
a
recommendation,
although
that
is
possible.
But
we
wanted
to
have
more
time
to
for
the
speakers.
C
Commissioner
flanagan
commissioner
futterman
and
commissioner
garrett
to
talk
about
what
they
had
brought
up
at
the
october
meeting,
and
then
we
can
decide
if
we
want
to
take
a
position.
If
we
want
to
carry
these
things
further
and
make
a
recommendation
and
we
can
discuss
them
at
a
subsequent.
B
C
So
the
first
presentation
is
from
jim
flanagan
talking
about
fees
at
the
baristo
parking
structure
and
you
have
10
minutes
10.
F
C
F
First
off
did
everyone
get
my
I
sent
out
a
single
sheet.
I
think
daniel
said
it
out
yesterday.
So
hopefully
you
all
had
a
chance
to
see
it.
If
not,
I'm
just
going
to
try
and
run
through
it
really
quickly
and
maybe
take
some
questions
at
the
end.
F
So
my
my
premise
is
here
is
that
the
city
should
move
away
from
subsidized
parking
for
private
autos
that
it's
sort
of
based
on
how
much
subsidies
they
are
for
for
fossil
fuels
right
now,
and
how,
in
the
paris
accord
they're
really
trying
to
diminish
or
get
rid
of
subsidies
entirely
and
parking.
Free
parking
is
greatly
subsidized
by
the
city.
It
reduces
incentives
for
people
to
walk
bike,
car
pool
car
share,
ride,
share,
take
transit
and
those
funds
could
be
used
for
to
fund
free
parking.
F
I
mean
I'm
sorry
to
fund
bicycle
paths
and
amenities,
such
as
shade
trees
and
bike
share,
and
things
like
that.
So
underneath
my
premise,
I've
listed
seven
or
nine
things
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
real
quickly
and
then
I
have
a
recommendation
at
the
end
that
I
kind
of
want
to
mention
so
first
thing
I
found
in
my
research
was
measure
j.
You
know
they
surveyed
everyone.
That
said,
everyone
did
want
free
parking,
but
I
think
people
need
to
look
at
it.
F
As
you
know,
do
you
want
to
pay
the
cost
of
parking,
whether
you're
going
to
use
it
or
not?
Because
your
tax
money
is
what's
used
for
that,
and
I
found
a
lot
of
great
information
in
a
book.
I
footnoted
at
the
bottom
called
the
high
cost
of
free
parking
if
you're
really
interested
in
how
subsidies,
work
and
free
parking
in
city
government,
the.
F
I
I've
met
more
and
more
tourists
that
come
to
palm
springs,
and
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
my
volunteer
work
for
desert
x.
They
don't
get
cars,
they
stay
at
the
saguaro
or
they
stay
downtown.
They
stay
at
the
chase
or
they
stay
at
the
ace
hotel
and
they
either
use
car
share.
They
use
bikes
or
they
just
sit
by
the
pool
all
day.
So
I
think
we'd
like
to
support
some
of
those
people
and
encourage
them
to
continue
doing
that.
F
The
third
point
is
that
the
urban
core
does
not
have
enough
parking
right
now.
If
any
of
you
have
gone
out
on
a
friday
or
saturday
night
in
season.
Searching
for
a
spot
is
tough
if
the
price
of
the
parking
was
priced
accordingly,
it
would
be
much
easier
to
know
that
there's
always
going
to
be
a
spot
in
a
downtown
lot.
F
Based
on
what
my
research
found
that
the
american
driver
spends
a
lot
of
time
driving
around
looking
for
parking,
and
this
would
sort
of
eliminate
that
on
some
of
our
busiest
weekends
for
people
who
wanted
a
sure
thing
place
to
park.
I
discovered
in
that
book
too
that
the
typical
parking
spot
is
not
cheap
to
build
five
or
ten
thousand
for
a
surface
lot,
25
or
50
000.
For
a
garage.
F
I
tried
to
get
barista
parking
garage
numbers,
but
I
wasn't
able
to
find
them.
But
if
you
multiply
the
conservative
value
of
25
000
times
it's
300
spaces,
it's
about
a
9
million
lot
that
we're
giving
away
for
free.
F
I
did
a
little
background
on
how
many
downtown
lots
there
are
there's
about
900
public
parking
spaces
around
the
museum.
Revitalization
specifically
adds
another
about
thousand
spaces.
450
private
parking
spaces
and
a
whole
bunch
of
free
street
parking
is
also
available.
F
I
think
it
was
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting
that
other
cities
don't
really
charge
and
that's
true.
Indian
wells
and
paseo
paseo
don't
charge,
but
parking
garage
is
an
other
big
resort
attraction
cities
somewhat
more
similar
to
palm
springs
such
as
malibu
and
carmel
are
charging
three
dollars
an
hour
and
it
goes
up
from
there
and
bigger,
as
you
get
close
to
bigger
areas
like
san
diego,
where
it
ranges
from
three
to
ten
dollars
an
hour.
F
So
the
next
thing
I
did,
as
I
tried
to
do,
a
little
back
of
the
envelope
calculation
for
parking
revenue,
and
I
looked
at
just
the
barista
garage,
which
is
what
I'm,
promoting
or
suggesting
the
city
look
at
as
a
trial,
those
374
spaces
if
they
were
filled,
12
hours
a
day
and
a
dollar
an
hour
friday,
saturday
and
sunday
results
to
in
about
630
000
a
year.
I
bring
this
up
just
because
the
city's
at
a
difficult
time
in
its
budget
they're
cash
strapped
they
definitely
need
money.
F
G
F
Brought
up
last
week,
the
cost
of
implementation
and
I'd
learned
a
lot
about
parking
payment,
apps
such
as
parking
kitty
and
parkmobile.
You
do
everything
online
on
your
phone
and
you
pay
for
parking
that
way.
Those
apps
provide
municipalities
with
all
sorts
of
metrics
and
demographics
to
determine
how
parking
is
being
used,
who's
using
it
when
they're
using
it,
and
things
like
that.
F
So
what
I
would
recommend
at
the
end
I
put
here
are
two
things:
one:
that
the
sustainability
commission
recommends,
that
the
city
consider
implementation
of
paid
parking
on
a
trial
basis
at
the
downtown
lot
in
the
indian
canyon.
I
would
also
add
to
that
that
those
funds
being
clearly
designated
to
go
to
help
with
some
of
the
sustainability
goals
as
far
regarding
transportation
and
the
second
one,
and
maybe
carl
you
might
have
some
thoughts
on
this.
F
But
in
addition,
I'd,
like
the
general
plan
just
to
be
revised
to
include
support
for
a
transition
to
a
fee
based
parking
setting
the
downtown
core.
This
might
be
in
the
form
of
a
parking
study,
or
something
like
that.
So
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
do
my
best
at
them,
and
otherwise
I'm
gonna,
if
this
is
something
people
are
interested
in
I'll,
come
up
with
some
more
specific
language.
Next
next
meeting.
F
D
Yes,
so
I
I
like
all
the
work
you've
done,
however,
I
think
you're
going
to
get
enormous
pushback
from
main
street
merchants.
Having
free
parking
is
one
of
the
big
bonuses
people
coming
in,
especially
from
la
and
san
diego,
where
they
don't
have
to
pay
to
park
where
they
don't
have
to
use
valet
parking.
As
someone
who
drove
out
here
for
10
years
every
weekend,
trust
me,
you
look
forward
to
just
being
able
to
pull
your
car
in
and
park
and
not
deal
with
the
hassle
of
doing
anything
else.
D
So
I
think,
especially
with
the
downturn
in
business
main
street
merchants,
may
not
be
too
excited
about
the
idea
of
charging
for
parking.
F
I
totally
agree
with
that,
and
I
think
the
thing
to
look
at
is
what
I'm
really
initially
proposing
is
that
we
just
look
at
friday,
saturday
and
sunday,
my
experiences
that
lot
is
jam-packed
friday,
saturday
and
sunday
there's
it's
impossible
to
find
parking.
So
I
think
that
would
you
know
I
don't
think
it's
gonna
have
that
much
of
an
implement
an
effect
on
friday,
saturday
and
sunday,
but
you're
right.
I
think
it's
going
to
have
an
effect.
F
The
city
providing
subsidized
parking
and
weekend
or
weekdays
is
going
to
have
more
effect
and
again
this
is
a
recommendation
that
the
council
can
choose
to
ignore
or
at
its
discretion,
but
it's
so
something
we
have
to
weigh
the
revenue
that
would
be
involved
versus
continuing
to
provide
the
subsidy
that
the
tourists
and
the
businesses
benefit.
So
I
agree
carl
thank
you.
B
Yes,
I
have
a
question
on
number
four.
You
said
that
people
spend
a
lot
of
time
driving
around
looking
for
parking
and
I
don't
understand
how
charging
for
parking
that
doesn't
increase
the
number
of
spaces
in
the
urban
core.
So
how
does
that
help
solve
that
problem?.
F
So
the
way,
so
a
good
example
are
some
of
big
cities
like
portland
and
san
francisco,
so
they
charge
for
parking
in
order
to
keep
about
five
percent
of
the
space
is
always
available.
So
what
would
happen
is
they
would
raise
the
price
until
it
would
be
the
price
equals
demand
and
that
there
are
spaces
available?
So
you
knew
reliably
if
you
drove
down
to
the
barista
garage
there'd
be
a
space
available.
F
What
that
also
means
is,
since
parking
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
tougher
or
tougher,
to
get
more
expensive,
more
people
would
have
to
consider
things
like
ride,
shares
or
or
car
shares
or
walking
or
taking
their
bicycles
or
other
means
of
getting
downtown.
Does
it
it
doesn't
add
more
parking.
It
provides
more
funds.
If
you
want
to
build
more
parking,
I
suppose,
but
I
think
it's
the
this
time
of
use
thing
that
allows
people
to
be
sure
there
are
spaces
rather
than
having
to
drive
around,
to
find
them.
D
I
I
sort
of
take
issue
with
you:
it's
usually
at
night
that
there's
the
parking
issue
on
the
weekends.
It's
not
really
the
middle
of
the
day,
not
that
I
go
downtown
that
much
in
the
middle
of
the
day
right
on
a
week
on
the
weekend,
but
you
know
you're
not
going
out
to
dinner
or
going
to
the
newly
restored
downtown
theater
whenever
that
may
open
on
a
bicycle
you're.
D
If,
if
anything,
you're
gonna
take
a
ride,
share
or
you're
gonna
drive,
the
public
bus
is
not
really
an
option
in
palm
springs
and
buzz.
Bus
future
is
uncertain.
If
anything.
F
D
F
That's
why
what
I'm
suggesting
is
just
on
friday,
saturday
and
sunday,
where
most
of
the
time
this
would
be
night
so
say
if
they
did
it
from.
I
don't
know,
2
p.m,
to
10
p.m,
it'd
be
more
of
the
busy
times,
but
no,
it
doesn't
add
any
more
spaces,
but
it
just
means
the
people
who
are
using
spaces
you
know,
will
have
to
pay
for
them,
rather
than
this
thing
coming
out
of
the
city
budget.
So
there's
pluses
and
minuses
and
yeah
you're
right
free
parking
would
be
great
for
everyone
to
have,
but.
D
There's
one
there's
one
actual
additional
issue
as
this,
especially
down
by
trio
and
co
police
people
park
in
the
residential
area
behind
it
and
that's
causing
the
residents
a
lot
of
agita.
In
fact,
they're,
considering
putting
up
restricted
parking
for
those
residential
streets
to
keep
employees
and
customers
from
parking
going
up
into
las
palmas.
G
That
was
that
was
my
point.
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
and
I
am
one
of
those
those
people.
I
no
longer
keep
a
car.
So
it's
a
non-issue
for
me,
but
I
know
for
my
neighbors.
It's
a
tremendous
problem
and
they've
spent
a
lot
of
time
contacting
the
city
back
and
forth
constantly
and
there's
a
lot
of
grief
for
it.
But
what
happens
then?
G
Is
you
just
have
people
then
parking
on
residential
streets
and
and
then
walking
to
the
restaurant
or
club
that
they're
going
to,
but
that
that
causes
a
problem
for
residents
even
during
the
the
weekdays?
So
it's
it's
something
to
be
considered
for
people
who
do
live
here
or
have
businesses
here.
F
Senator
one
of
one
of
the
things
I
ran
across
was
I
found
the
city
of
santa
rosa.
A
lot
of
cities
do
parking
studies,
so
they
look
at
the
amount
of
parking
they
need
for
all
these
different
businesses
and
they
look
at
spillover
and
look
at
neighborhoods
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we
might
recommend
in
the
general
plan
is
that
the
city,
you
know,
look
at
doing
a
parking
study
to
investigate
pricing.
D
G
In
chicago,
if
you
were
a
resident
and
parking
of
course
is
a
problem,
but
if
you're
a
resident,
I
think
you
paid
24
to
the
city
for
a
year
and
that
gave
you
preferential
treatment
in
your
parking.
So
there
were
certain
spaces
that
were
allotted
to
anybody
that
did
have
a
sticker
so
and
if
anybody
took
your
space,
of
course,
they'd
be
fine,
generating
more
revenue
for
the
city,
but
you
still
park
in
your
space.
G
F
Search
around
and
try
and
find
a
parking
study,
then
thanks
carl.
H
My
recollection
is
that
there
was
a
parking
study
that
it
was
started
about
this
time
last
year,
but
it
was
pulled
because
of
the
when
the
tribe
announced
the
the
arena.
H
So
I
not
sure
that
I
I
I
recall
that
there
was
a
parking
study
that
was
in
in
progress,
but
it
was
more
recent
than
the
one
that
commissioner
baker
mentioned,
but
it
was
never
completed,
or
at
least
as
far
as
I
know
so,
potentially
patrick
you
can
check
with
flynn
on
that
because
it
was
under
his
his
sort
of
purview
on
on
that.
But
I
I
do
agree
with
commissioner
flanagan.
H
We
discussed
this
at
the
committee
meeting
and
I
I
do
support
as
a
general
rule
with
the
sort
of
qualification
that
commissioner
flanagan
just
mentioned,
that
that,
if
this
happens,
any
revenues
be
used
for
funding
alternative
time
transportation
such
as
the
buzz
or
bike
share
or
other
alternatives.
So
that
would
be.
H
The
recommendation,
but
mr
flanagan
mentioned
that's-
why
I
want
to
support
that
if
this
comes
back
for
a
vote
at
a
future
meeting,
would
that
be
part
of
the
recommendation,
but
otherwise
I
I
I
support
this-
I
mean
I,
we
we're
going
to
see
ghg
emissions
inventory,
hopefully
sometime
next
month,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
pretty
all
the
work
that
we
have
to
do
and
transportation
is
a
large
portion
of
our
ghe
emissions
and
if
we
keep
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
for
transportation
or
building
decarbonization
or
whatever,
we'll
never
get
to
achieve
our
g
goals.
H
So,
to
my
mind,
this
is
something
we
really
need
to
at
least
push
forward
to
to
city
council,
but
we'll.
H
When
we
get
to
ghg
inventory
next
month,
but
it's
not
it's
not
going
to
be
great.
C
So
is
there
general
consensus
that
we
should
continue
to
look
at
this
and
perhaps
have
a
more
specific
recommendation
from
jim
next
month
or
in
january.
G
G
So
we
need
revenue
right
now
as
the
city,
it
could
be
good
and
it
also
gives
people
an
opportunity
to
park
conveniently,
and
I
think
the
prices
are
quite
reasonable.
G
C
F
F
I
can
find
if
I
can
find
it
if
I
edit
and
I'll
craft
a
few
proposed
ideas
based
on
your
comments
tonight.
Thank
you
guys.
C
And
I'll
stay
in
contact
with
you,
jim
about
scheduling
it
for
a
future
meeting.
Okay
thanks!
Thank
you.
The
next
presentation
is
by
jen
futterman
on
community
outreach
with
the
environmental,
education
and
collaborative
board.
E
Thanks
roy,
so
the
environmental
education
collaborative,
as
many
of
you
know,
serves
riverside
and
san
bernardino
counties,
and
our
ultimate
goal
is
to
get
environmental
education
into
kids
lives
every
day
I
mean
that
would
be
the
main
goal
right
now.
It's
really
challenging
with
the
pandemic.
E
All
learning
is
distance.
Learning
it's
all
online.
So
we
have
this
really
amazing
opportunity
with
the
art
contest,
as
well
as
perhaps
expanding
the
contest
to
to
reach
more
students.
E
E
So
it's
it's
not
all
day,
but
it
will
be
really
like
attending
a
conference
where
you
go
in
virtually
and
you
know
you
enter
into
registration
and
then
you
can
go
to
different
rooms,
so
we're
hoping
that
that's
a
great
place
that
we
may
get
more
attendance
from
teachers
this
year
as
well,
because
just
because
of
what's
going
on
with
the
pandemic-
and
it's
very
reasonably
priced-
I
can't
remember
you
know,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
in
person,
it's
just
it's
a
whole
other
experience.
We're
also
planning
a
youth
climate
summit.
E
That's
happening
early
march.
So
that's
where
we
want
to
launch
the
environmental
art
contest
announcement.
You
know
and
really
fly
it
at
that
time.
If
we
can
get
this
happening
before
we,
we
may
be
announcing
it
earlier,
but
we're
hoping
to
get
all
those
kids
involved.
E
So
here,
as
the
commission,
we
have
this
opportunity.
You
know
we
have
in
the
past.
You
know
given
350
towards
the
prizes
with
the
environmental
art
contest
last
year.
You
know
some
of
some
of
you
are
are
more
new,
but
I
used
to
work
for
an
organization
called
creek
and
that
was
a
statewide
network
and
so
when
crete
kind
of
changed,
you
know-
and
I
lost
my
job
with
them.
Then
the
eec
decided
to
take
over
the
art
contest.
B
E
Oh,
I
see
okay,
so
so
now
the
art
contest
you
know
is
run
by
the
eec
and
in
the
past
the
prizes
have
cost
a
thousand
fifty
and
that
basically
goes
from
pre-k
through
12
and
then
with
a
special
needs
category,
and
then
various
categories
of
you
know
best
environmental
art,
best
recycled
art
and
any
there's
different
themes.
E
So
the
eec
has
decided
to
give
two
thousand
dollars
towards
prizes
to
be
able
to
expand
the
contest
and
and
there's
an
extra
two
hundred
dollars,
for
you
know
mailing
certificates
and
and
different
things
like
that.
So
I
wanted
to
propose
to
all
of
you
that
it
looks
like
you
know.
Who
knows
when
we're
going
to
be
able
to
meet
in
person
again
world
environment
day?
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
do
something
virtual
and
that
is
june
5th,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
do
something
for
earth
day
as
well.
E
And
you
know
perhaps
these
contests
can
also.
You
know
still
somehow
play
into
that.
You
know
the
world
environment
day
celebration.
We
actually
created
that
out
of
a
need
to
have
a
showcase
for
the
environmental
art
contest
in
the
past.
It
had
been
showcased
at
earth
day
and
one
year
we
just
didn't
get
enough
submissions.
E
You
know
partly
because
there's
testing
that
assessments
that
happen
in
april,
so
I
think
we're
planning
to
still
have
you
know
the
same
kind
of
timeline.
The
contest
submissions
will
be
due
in
may,
we'll
have
judging
and
then
you
know
an
award
ceremony.
We
can
do
you
know
virtual
awards
for
world
environment
day.
E
So
what
I
want
to
propose
to
all
of
you:
we've
typically
given
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
world
environment
day
for
this
in-person
event
and
for
billboards
for
advertising.
All
of
that,
I
don't
know
how
much
we
want
to
spend,
but
I
wanted
to
just
start
the
dialogue
today
to
see
you
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
cited
this
meeting
it
could
be
in
december
or
january.
So
you
know
there's
a
little
bit
of
time
to
to
consider
and
to
decide,
but
roy
and
I
had
a
conversation
you
know.
E
Typically,
this
contest-
I've
been
I've,
been
coordinating
it
for
the
last
15
years
now
and
rotating
the
five
elements.
So
this
year
we
would
come
back
to
water,
which
of
course,
is
always
a
great
element
to
you
know
as
a
theme
for
art
or
or
anything
else.
We'd
also
like
to
add
a
potential
theme,
and
I
believe
this
will
be
mostly
for
older
kids
to
consider
is
environmental
justice.
E
E
You
know
these
ideas
in
images,
so
I've
for
a
long
time
been
hoping
to
add
a
literary
art
contest,
and
I
think
that
an
essay
contest,
specifically
with
environmental
justice
could
be
really
powerful,
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
for
youth
to
consider
I
mean
we,
we
have
had
an
adult
category
as
well,
that
you
know
I
think
it's
perfectly
good
to
invite
adults
to
participate,
but
for
the
kids
you
know,
environmental
justice.
E
I'm
not
sure
exactly
you
know
roy
and
I
discussed-
maybe
you
know
third
or
fourth
grade
starting
there.
I
I
don't
think
that
the
younger
grades,
it
would
look
really
different,
so
you
know
possibly
even
starting
at
fourth
grade
and
have
it
fourth
through
twelfth.
If,
if
that's
something
that
we
as
a
commission
wanted
to
sponsor
just
a
certain
portion
of
this,
we
are
also
deciding
to
possibly
offer
kind
of
a
performance
art
opportunity,
so
it
could
be
videos
submitted.
E
So
that
would
be
another
way
to
creatively
express
so
we'd
like
to
offer
a
bunch
of
different
ways
that
kids
could
participate
this
year.
And
my
question
to
you
is,
you
know:
do
we
want
to
participate
in
this?
Is
this
something
that
that
you
all
feel
that
this
would
be
a
good
reallocation
of
funds?
And,
if
so,
you
know
which
part
of
it
or
if
it
just
should
go
into
the
grand
total
of
prizes
and
those
are
all
divvied
up
or
if
we
want
to
sponsor
a
specific
contest.
F
Okay!
I
think
I
think
it's
great
though
I
like
this
idea,
I
think
getting
kids
when
they're
young
to
get
excited
about
this,
puts
them
on
a
good
path
going
forward
and
recognizing
that
through
anything,
is
good.
Even
if
it's
a
certificate
or
you
know
a
little
tiny
thing
is
great,
so
I
support
it.
E
And
actually
beyond
so
you
know,
the
the
eec
covers
all
of
riverside
and
san
bernardino
counties,
and
last
year
we
opened
it
up
actually
internationally
because
of
it
being
virtual,
it's
online,
so
we
opened
up
the
borders
we
haven't
decided
about
about
that
I
mean
it.
May
we
didn't
have
that
many
projects
submitted
last
year,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
it
would.
E
You
know
what
that
would
do
if
you
know
when,
when
we
create
more
opportunities,
if
we
would
get
so
many
submissions
that
it
would
be,
you
know
too
many
projects
to
review
and
you
know
give.
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like.
So
you
know
if
you
have
input
on
that.
E
Also,
if
we
should
just
keep
it
localized
to
you
know
either
our
two
counties
I
mean
it
definitely
will
be
riverside
and
san
bernardino
county,
whether
we
open
it
up
in
the
past
I've
had
you
know,
teachers
in
la
want
to
participate,
and
I
said
no
because
I
wanted
it
to
just
be
a
more
local.
I
mean
our
two
counties
are
huge
first
of
all,
but
you
know
in
this
case
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
I
think
in
some
ways
I
feel
that
any
student
that's
interested
and
wants
to
participate.
E
You
know
I
want
them
to
it's
it's
hard
to
say
no
to
that,
I
don't.
I
have
a
feeling
it's
not
going
to
get
too
big,
but
if
you
know,
if
you
all
have
any
input
on
that
so
there's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
to
consider
right
now.
E
What
part
of
it
do
we
want
to
sponsor
and
if
you
know,
if,
if
we
want
a
part
of
it
to
actually
have
you
know
our
sustainability
commission
as
the
sponsor
for
that
part
of
the
contest
that
may
also,
you
know,
bring
more
recognition
to
us,
which
is
good
and
more
awareness
that
we
exist.
So
I
mean
there's
a
part
of
me
that
that
feels
like
it
might
be.
Nice
to
you
know,
have
a
specific
part
of
it,
be
just
from
the
commission.
G
Would
you
consider
maybe
extending
entrance
into
san
diego,
since
we
all
kind
of
share
similar
culture
and
environmental
concerns,
separate
from
los
angeles
or
going
into
other
states?
So
I
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
we
share,
culturally
and
and
also
environmentally.
So
I
would,
I
would
definitely
say
anything
to
help
get
the
kids
in
poetry
slams.
Anything
of
that
nature,
I
think,
would
be
terrific.
E
I
like
that
idea,
I
you
know,
I
think
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
it
would
feel
too
big
to
include
la
also
you
know
or
all
of
southern
california.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
that's
something
that
we
can
consider
and.
G
They're,
less
agricultural
and
you
know
a
lot
of
san
diego.
We
do
have
an
agricultural
component
in
our
in
our
communities,
which
is
not
what
you
would
you
know
consider
normal
in
los
angeles.
It's
quite
different.
E
E
Yeah,
I'm
forgetting
I'm
sorry.
I
started
thinking
about
san
diego,
but.
G
We're
the
big
counties-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
san
bernardino,
not
as
populated
as
riverside
county
and
not
as
wealthy,
but
you
still
do
have
a
lot
of
families
and
children
there
that
you
know
have
a
point
of
view
as
well.
E
Yes-
and
I
remember
now
so
you
mentioned
also
the
poetry,
so
that
was
one
thing
that
I
thought
that
possibly
you
know
we
could.
If
we
wanted
to
sponsor,
perhaps
just
the
literary
contest
it
could
be,
maybe
for
the
younger
grades
it
could
be
a
poetry
contest
or
something
you
know
not
as.
E
You
know
not
an
essay
contest,
but
maybe
for
the
older
grades.
It
could
be
environmental
justice
with
you
know,
an
essay
contest
and
maybe
for
the
younger
grades.
It
could
be
water.
I
mean
there's,
there's
so
much
that
can
still
be
done
with
that
element.
So
those
were
some
of
my
initial
thoughts.
You
know,
but
it's
it
would
just.
It
would
probably
increase
double
our
cost
of
providing
prizes.
You
know
for
pre-k
through
12
and
special
needs.
E
So
that's
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
I
think
we
also
have
money
that
we're
not
spending.
So
perhaps
that's
okay,.
E
That
I
mean,
of
course,
that's
always
an
option
at
this
time.
I
don't
really
have
time
to
go
and
solicit
much.
I
mean
if,
if
you
want
to
help
with
that,
but
then
it's
also
not
necessarily
just
coming
from
sustainability
commission,
so
it
just
depends
on
what
our
purpose
is.
You
know
of
of
how
we
want
to
sponsor
it.
E
If
this
is,
you
know
something
that's
really
coming
from
us,
and
you
know
how
we
want
to
run
that,
and
you
know
part
of
part
of
what
we
contribute
also
may
go
into
some
kind
of
promotion
and
if
any
of
you
were
inspired,
I
I
wish
that
I
could
devote
more
time.
To
this
I
mean
I,
I
love
being
a
mentor
for
kids,
but
I
just
being
in
in
my
grad
school
right
now.
E
I
just
I
can't
commit
to
that,
but
if
any
of
you
would
like
to
mentor
kids
even
for
the
essay
contest-
and
you
know
that
could
be
something
really
awesome,
and
I
also
wanted
to
invite
you
all.
I
will
have
more
information
about
the
symposium,
but
you
know
perhaps
you
know
you
all
have
so
much
varied
knowledge
and
expertise.
E
E
H
Yes,
I
would
support
an
environmental
justice
essay
question.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
but
I
would
suggest
if
we
do
that
that
we
bring
in
some
folks
from
the
environmental
justice
community
to
assist
or
be
responsible
for
the
judging.
I
follow
all
the
energy
commission
and
puc
filings.
There's
a
very
active
group
called
the
california
environmental
justice
alliance,
they're
represented
by
the
berkeley
environmental
law
clinic,
and
I
just
checked
on
their
website
there
there's
a
local
affiliate
member.
H
It's
called
the
leadership
council
for
justice
and
accountability,
so
they
are
one
of
the
lead
environmental
justice
groups
here
in
the
coachella
valley,
and
I
think
that
if
we
want
to
do
that,
it
shouldn't
necessarily
be
palm
springs
for
sustainability.
Commission
responsible
for
judging
an
issue
where
there
are
people
who
are
active
more
active
than
we
are
in
the
environmental
justice
community.
H
So
I
can
send
to
patrick
I'll
check,
because
I
think
I
know
where
to
find
it.
Some
contact
details.
I've
seen
these
people
referred
to
before,
but
I
know
they've
been
particularly
active
in
the
east
valley
and
there's
a
lot
of
environmental
justice
or
more
accurately,
injustice
issues
that
that
are
out
there.
So
I
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
You
know
from
the
salt
sea
to
various
other
issues
that
we're
all
about
whereabouts.
E
Awesome,
that's
fantastic
david.
I
think
that's
a
really
great
idea,
and
because
this
you
know
literary
art
contest
is
brand
new.
You
know
we
will
have
to
provide
guidelines,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
fantastic.
If
we
have
you
know
some
input
from
these
these
people,
so
I
think
that's
great
and
also
for
the
judging
that
that
sounds
really
good
to
me.
C
There
seems
to
be
focusing
in
on
the
essay
contest
on
environmental
justice.
Are
there
any
more
comments,
or
how
should
we
proceed
with
david?
Could
you
help
provide
that
information,
and
perhaps
the
next
month,
the
meeting
next
month?
We
could
talk
about
it
a
little
bit
more.
H
Well
I'll
check
with
the
I'll
at
least
find
the
contact
details
for
the
environmental
justice
of
this
coalition
for
environmental
justice
and
they'll
I'll,
get
to
at
least
see
what
they're
up
to
and
then
can
can
have
that
for
next
month.
Wasn't
necessarily
volunteering,
but
I'm
happy
to
at
least
do
some
research.
C
H
B
E
E
C
Jennifer
then
we
move
on
to
our
third
presentation
by
sandra
garrett,
materials
and
fixtures
for
outdoor
dining
at
restaurants.
G
I'll
I'll
keep
it
to
five
minutes
as
you're
sort
of
a
non-official
boots
on
the
ground,
downtown
street
street
reporter
walking
nice.
You
know
the
build
out,
and
all
of
that
has
been
done
kind
of
sporadically
and
now
it
looks
like
they're
going
into
more
permanent
type
of
of
build
outs
for
dining
and
in
service
areas,
and
it's
very
important.
It's
an
incredibly
popular
trend
globally
in
all
of
that,
but
I
think
you
know
what's
concerned
me
in
in
walking
by
this.
G
You
know
every
every
morning
up
close
and
personal.
I
think
that
the
primary
issue
is
really
the
use
of
certain
materials.
Some
of
it
is
counterintuitive
actually,
for
example,
stainless
steel.
One
assumes
that
that's
probably
one
of
your
best
materials
for
any
kind
of
surfaces.
So
what
are
these
materials
that
we're
using
in
these?
Not
so
temporary
build-outs
that
that
we're
creating?
G
And
the
point
is
that
it's
about
public
health,
so
we're
wanting
to
eliminate
and
try
to
control,
not
just
cobid,
but
viruses
in
general-
and
this
will
not
be
the
last
sadly
to
you
know,
said
to
say
the
second
issue
with
that
is
anything
that
is
done-
that
there's
necessary
frequent
cleaning,
disinfecting
and
upkeep
of
these
construction,
build-out
materials
and
being
exposed
to
the
elements
hot
sun,
wind
and
so
on.
G
That's
another
another
issue,
so
if
you've
had
time
to
go
through
this,
if
we
could
like,
if
we
could
scroll
down
a
little
bit
here
so
these
are
the
two
concerns
the
materials
that
we're
choosing
and
then
how
do
we
maintain
those
and
without
getting
into
the
personal
protective
equipment
which
is
a
related
but
separate
issue?
So,
right
now
and
the
study
on
this
has
come
on,
you
know
quite
fast,
just
since
you
know
in
the
past
three
or
four
months.
G
So
now
we
know
that
the
cobid
survives
the
longest
on
plastic
and
steel
up
to
72
hours
before
it
will
naturally
fade
away.
So
these
actually
are
the
least
desirable
construction
and
surface
materials
that
that
we
could
be
utilizing
glass
surfaces.
Also,
quite
surprisingly-
and
this
is
it
is
even
longer
so-
who
knew
it's
not
porous?
You
would
think
that
that
was
something
that
would
actually
be
hygienic.
This
also
comes
up
so
in
any
of
the
service
areas
for
receipts.
Cell
phones,
mirrors,
glass,
doors
handles
all
of
this.
G
These
are
these
are
very
virus
friendly
materials,
most
unfriendly
material
that
the
covid
does
not
exist
on,
even
without
any
human
interference
of
trying
to
clean.
It
is
less
than
four
hours,
so
copper
traditionally
has
been
used
for
years
as
disinfectants,
typically
in
kitchens,
food
preparation,
hospitals.
G
So
a
lot
of
that
old
school
thinking
is
coming
forward
again
so,
and
that
would
also
include
bronze
and
brass.
So
right
now,
a
lot
of
hospitals
are
increasing
their
use
of
copper
and
switching
out
the
use
of
stainless
steels
for
rails
hospital
beds,
light
plates
so
on
and
so
on
bathrooms.
So
you
know
stainless
steel
is
actually
not
a
good
option
or
any
of
those.
G
Those
kind
of
metals
wrought
iron
and
so
on,
paper
and
cardboard
survives
about
24
hours,
so
it's
not
quite
as
as
unfriendly
to
viruses
as
the
copper
surfaces.
But
if
it's
a
single
use
paper
there's
a
plus
on
that
and
if
it's,
if
it's
paper
it
can
be
recycled,
it's
inexpensive
can
be
used
easily
and
taken
down
and
changed
graphically
as
as
you
need.
So
it
gives
a
lot
of
advertising
and
ambience
possibilities
there.
G
You
know
the
whole
idea
of
dining
and
service
outdoors
is
to
help
prevent
infections
and
public
health
when
in
fact
they
are
the
most
conducive-
and
this
also
includes
these
service
areas,
food
prep
bar
areas
and
also
the
hostess
area,
and
if
we
could
scroll
down
a
little
bit
past
past
that-
and
here
we
have
what
is
considered
from
architecture
and
the
the
new
build
out
kind
of
suggestions-
you
go
through
it
and
we're
doing
most
of
this
quite
grassroots
and
and
logically
so.
G
The
you
know,
with
the
exception,
I
think
of
you-
know
that
it's
a
minimum
of
six
feet
of
separation.
18
to
you
know,
10
to
18
feet
would
actually
be
ideal.
So
what
I've
observed
is
like
in
a
lot
of
the
seating,
it
isn't
even
six
feet.
So
by
the
time
you
get
people
sitting
sitting
at
the
table
sitting
in
their
chairs
scooting
back.
G
There
may
be
only
three
feet
in
between
people,
so
that
isn't
really
in
keeping
with
social
distancing,
but
it
is
a
minimum
of
six
feet
and
we
really
need
to
be
more
mindful
about.
You
know:
what's
what's
preferable
and
not
just
minimum
requirements,
spaces
that
are,
as
you
know,
at
a
premium
of
course,
and
you
know
even
even
some
of
the
use
of
plastics.
G
You
know,
which
I
think
is
you
know,
and
I
included
you
know
some
of
the
decorative
things,
including
the
the
plastic
box,
hedges,
and
that
what
could
be?
What
could
be
worse,
you
know,
not
only
is
it
going
to
degrade
in
the
you
know
in
the
elements
in
the
sunshine,
but
that
would
have
to
be
you
know,
and
these
are
mostly
at
seating
and
eye
and
breathing
level.
These
are,
these
are
just
fill.
G
You
know
traps
for
viruses
and
you
can't
clean
them
in
part
of
the
cleaning
protocols,
of
course,
and
depending
on
the
depending
on
the
the
chemicals
and
and
products
that
you're
using,
which
were
you
know
in
the
list
from
the
cdc.
G
Many
of
them
need
to
be
allowed
to
dry,
and
even
though
that
could
be
facilitated
with
with
dryers.
You
still
can't
just
be
wiping
something
down
and
then
moving
on
that
there
is
a
considerable
at
least
an
hour
before
you
could
go
in
again,
so
you
know
some
of
these
plastic
surfaces,
they
could
never
ever
dry
and
you
couldn't
really
clean
them
and
then,
of
course,
they're
subject
to
all
kinds
of
other
problems
as
they
start
to
disintegrate,
from
constant
cleaning
and
again
you
know
they
are
virus
traps.
G
So
what
I
I'm
I'm
suggesting
and
and
most
of
them
have
done
a
fairly
decent
job,
just
using
concrete
barricades
lighting
and
spacing
without
going
into
a
lot
of
expense
and
a
lot
can
be
done
with
color
and
all
that
creating
ambience
and
identification
for
their
particular
restaurant
or
shop.
So
what
I
what
I
think
before
people
you
know,
because
this
is
something
that
we
probably
will
continue
to
be
doing
for
some
time
and
it's
a
it's
a
it's.
It's
very
appropriate
here.
G
You
know
for
palm
springs
because
of
our
winter
season
is
so
agreeable
to
this
sort
of
dining
and
service.
But
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
provide
these
businesses,
restaurants
and
bars,
and
so
on
with
a
list
of
preferred
materials
and
where
to
get
them
they're
doing
the
best
that
they
can,
but
sometimes
I
think,
they're
making
the
matter
worse
by
utilizing
some
of
these.
And
if
we
go
down
to
the
I
think
here,
unless
it's
ppp
that
should
actually
read
personal
protective
equipment,
not
ppp.
G
But
if
we
can
go
down
and
look
at
some
of
the
photographs
again,
most
of
them
had
done,
sort
of
you
know
like
doing
less,
sometimes
was
more
effective
as
far
as
defining
their
space
and
and
controlling
virus,
but
bathroom
areas,
food,
preparation,
bar
areas,
hostess
stations,
which,
according
to
these
guys
lines,
should
be
eliminated,
the
those
those
stations
it
should
become
paperless
and
as
touch-free
as
as
possible.
G
So
and
the
workers
who
you
know
could
be
on
shift
for
for
eight
hours
or
so
are
vulnerable
to
this.
But
if
we
could
go
down
to
some
of
the
photographs
where
the
the
use
of
plastics
is,
is
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
in
the
next
one
there's
further,
you
know
explaining
the
you
know
the
drop.
Also
we
have
you
know
we
want
the
ventilation.
This
is
so
important.
You
know
these.
G
You
know
this
aerosol
can
can
stay
in
the
air,
for
you
know
18
hours,
so
we
want
it
to
be
flowing
now
here
at
the
very
top
for
anybody
who
didn't
know
box
hedge
and-
and
this
is
downtown
over
near
coffee-
and
this
is
actual
really.
G
You
know
real
life
box
box,
hedge,
so
the
use
of
any
live
plants,
of
course,
even
in
ones
that
you
were
potted
and
you
could
move
in
and
out,
depending
as
as
you
needed
would
be
a
wonderful
thing,
but
here
below
it,
we've
got
a
very
expensive
and
beautifully
done
build
out,
which
also
took
up
a
good
deal
of
street
parking.
G
But
this
is
all
the
artificial
box
head.
The
box
head
was
never
intended
it's
for
display
only
and
it
was
never
intended
for
extended
outdoor
use
of
this
nature.
But
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
it's
a
highly
textured
service.
It's
just
it's
just
a
welcome
home
for
any
kind
of
virus.
How
can
you
clean
it
and
it
surrounds
this
particular
dining
area?
Where
they've
done
everything
else?
You
know
just
you
know
almost
letter
perfect,
so
some
of
these
things
could
be
replaced
fairly
inexpensively.
G
So
I
also
included-
and
here
we
have
it
from
the
outside
beautiful
street-
it's
beautiful
at
night
with
the
lighting,
the
tenting
and
and
so
on,
and
but
this
is
blocking
ventilation.
Here
you
see
open
ventilation,
it's
it's
wrought
iron
metal
and
that's
fine,
but
it's
all
surrounded
by
concrete
blockades
covered
with
astro
turf
again.
G
This
is
just
this
is
just
a
petri
dish
for
in
you
know,
for
virus
you'll
also
have
some
beautiful
live
plants,
but
they've
surrounded
the
base
of
it
with
artificial
box
boxwood
again,
how
can
that
ever
be
cleaned?
And
it's
just
their?
You
know
potential
health
hazard,
the
same
thing
with
any
of
the
plastic
lattice
work
that
some
of
them
have
used.
G
It
gives
a
beautiful
garden
effect,
but
it's
plastic,
and
it's
also
not
meant
to
withstand
the
the
constant
cleaning
you
know
from
from
the
specific
chemicals
that
we
need
to
be
using
to
to
stay
healthy,
and
if
we
can
go
a
little
bit
further
here
you
see
some
of
that
where
they've
combined
live
plants,
plastic,
lattice
and
astroturf
more
of
the
plastic
artificial
box
boxwood.
Now
here
some
you
know
it
was.
This
was
last
week
last
week
with
pride.
So
yeah
great,
you
know
the
flags
and
everything,
but
those
were
plastic.
G
So
paper
would
be.
You
know.
Bunting.
Cotton,
of
course,
is
is
close.
You
know
to
the
top
as
far
as
preferable
materials,
but
the
plastic
ones.
It's
you
know,
there's,
not
only
is
it
plastic
it's
it's
also
virus
friendly
and
it's
by
you
know
and
if
that's
not
being
replaced
every
day
in
the
way
that
you
could
with
with
paper,
then
you've.
You
know
then
you're
creating
you
know
health
issues
you
know
or
if
you're
doing
something
like
that,
suspend
it
well
above
the
head
and
shoulder
levels.
G
You
know
over
the
you
know
creating
kind
of
a
ceiling
over
your
seating
area
with
your
lighting,
so
you
know
there
may
be
times
where
plastic
materials
might
be
useful,
but
certainly
not
at
a
at
a
seating
or
a
pedestrian
level
go
down
a
little
bit
further.
I
think
I
usually
did
these
as
too
now.
So
you
know
here
you
are
about
cleaning
the
surfaces
and
and
how
how
to
clean
and
all
of
that,
and
then
the
graphic
gives
you
a
fade
out
on
on
these
different
substances.
G
So,
copper,
being
you
know,
you
know
an
hour
and
it
would
completely
be
gone
within
four
hours,
maximum
cardboard,
a
little
bit
less
and
then
you
see
plastic
and
then
on
the
following
graph.
Surprising
glass
even
exceeds
plastic
as
far
as
being
virus
friendly,
and
here
you
just
see
this
graphic
and
the
you
know
going
96
hours.
So
you
know,
how
are
you
going
to
be
cleaning
this
and
why
are
these
materials
being
used?
G
And
then
I
also
included
you
know,
did
a
research
on
where,
where
we
can
get
some
of
these
more
antiviral
type
of
surface
materials,
copper
being
the
bass.
So
surprisingly-
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
pure
copper-
which
of
course
can
be
expensive,
but
it
can
just
be
copper
covered
it.
You
know
also
the
brass
and
bronze
and
so
on.
So
it
comes
in
a
variety
of
different
screens.
It
comes
as
sheets,
it
comes
as
gauze.
G
It
comes
in
tubes,
it
you
know
you
can
use
it
as
you
can
get
it
in
squares,
so
you
could
treat
it
like
tiling.
You
can
use
it
in
all
kinds
of
ways,
and
these
are
materials
that
you
don't
need
special
tools
or
materials.
You
don't
need
welding
equipment,
you
can
basically
use
a
staple
gun
or
a
small.
G
You
know
small
materials
like
that,
so
it
wouldn't
be
expensive
and
the
other
thing
with
the
copper
with
the
copper
mesh.
It
allows
ventilation
it's
quite
attractive.
Looking
and
over
time
and
exposure
to
the
elements.
It
develops
a
kind
of
a
beautiful
bevery
appearance
which
would
certainly
be
in
keeping
with
you
know
our
spanish,
colonial
and
and
and
desert
design
type
of
ambience
and
and
look
here
so.
C
Excuse
me
sandra
there's
a
lot
of
references
here
that
the
commissioners
can
look
at
themselves,
provided
a
lot
of
good
information.
C
C
Would
it
be
the
planning
commission
planning
services
up
to
now?
It
appears
that
very
little
guidance
has
been
provided
to
the
to
the
restaurants
for
their
outdoor
installations
because
of
the
desire
to
have
a
very
quick
turnaround
time
time
and
to
get
them
set
up
quickly,
so
that
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
active
involvement
in
terms
of
design
of
the
outside
installation
installations.
G
G
Otherwise
it's
it's
pointless,
but
I
don't
think
we
want
to
be
giving
people
a
sense
of
false
security
or
an
illusion,
because
that's
kind
of
productive
and
people,
you
know
people
are
dying.
You
know
wearing
purple
tear
again,
so
I
think
this
is
something
really
serious,
but
obviously
you
know
the
you
know
the
use
of
plastic,
which
is
by
far
the
most
you
know
common.
G
You
know,
common
offender
that
I've
I've
observed
should
probably
be
looked
at
and
you
know
I'm
not
suggesting
ben,
but
if
people
don't
know
they
don't
know,
and
obviously
I
think
people
think
oh
stainless
steel,
plastic
great,
you
know
it's
it's
easy
to
clean,
but
that
isn't
necessarily
achieving
the
results
that
we're
looking
for,
which
is
public
health.
C
I
Just
just
just
a
quick
one
that
a
lot
of
of,
if
we
get
involved
in
this,
I
think,
would
depend
on
how
long
this
pandemic
is
gonna
last
and
if,
if
we
have
a
some
kind
of
solution
to
it
in
the
near
future,
we're
going
to
be
wasting
our
time.
It's
a
lot
of
issue
about.
Are
we
going
to
get
something
that's
going
to
clear
it
up
in
the
next
few
months
or
not.
G
I
don't
think
that's
realistic.
I
think
we
have
to
prepare
for
long
haul
and
if
it's
not
covered,
you
know
it's
going
to
be
something
else,
but
this
also.
This
also
works
against
common
colds
flu
and
any
other
kind
of
virus.
So
if
hospitals
are
changing-
and
it's
not
necessarily
expensive
and
most
of
most
of
the
restaurants
haven't
gone
into
a
lot
of
expense,
but
the
the
use
of
plastic,
and
in
particular
at
that
dining
and
and
the
head
level
is,
is
concerning.
I
Totally-
and
I
get
your
point
if,
if
it's
not
just
covet,
if
it's
other
virus,
you
know
transmitted
diseases
yeah,
it
would
make
sense
to
get
involved.
B
Well,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
see
this
distilled
down
into
maybe
eight
to
ten
bullet
points
of
recommendations
to
restaurants
that
are
constructing
these
outside
places,
and
you
know
then
they'd
be
able
to
maybe
post
a
sign
that
says
they're
following
the
palm
springs.
Sustainability
commissions
on
recommended
procedures
for
viral
reduction
in
our
outdoor
seating.
D
It's
a
crawl
again,
I
I
I
think
we
tend
to
live
in
our
little
ivory
towers
here,
telling
businesses
what
they
should
and
shouldn't
do
without
looking
at
the
economic
implications
of
these
things,
especially
today,
I
know
several
restaurant
owners
they're
barely
keeping
their
doors
open
and
any
pushback
of
saying.
Well,
you
know
you
shouldn't
use
this.
You
should
use
that
it's
just
not
going
to
fly
right
now
I
mean
quite
honestly,
these
people
are
barely
surviving.
D
G
G
I'm
not
suggesting
that
I'm
I'm
suggesting
these
are
safer
materials,
just
like
you
would
with
hand
sanitizers
or
or
how
how
you
handle
any
anything,
how
you
handle
waste.
But
this
is
a
health
issue,
so
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
cost
anybody
any
money,
but
why?
Why
use
materials
that
are
actually
increasing
a
problem.
D
C
H
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
best
practices,
but
I
entirely
agree
with
commissioner
baker
that
you
know
trying
to
sort
of
make
this
a
any
form
of
mandatory
or
how
you
have
a
label
or
whatever
I
mean
resources.
I
mean
if
it's
just
a
question
of
here's
a
list
of
of
you
know
coveted
unfriendly
materials
for
you
to
consider.
H
I
I
don't
think,
there's
a
but
it's
just
simply.
Here's
a
resource
and
patrick
goes
to
the
main
street
meetings
every
month,
and
you
know
they
say
well,
we've
developed
a
list
of
resources
that
you
can
consider.
You
know
as
you're.
You
know
building
out
your
or
your
sort
of
parklet,
but
I
wouldn't
go
any
further
than
a
list
of
resources.
G
Is
it
going
to
be
this
or
it's
going
to
be
that
or
maybe
not
doing
it,
but
having
having
a
list
to
go
to
of
preferred
materials
that
are
going
to
give
you
a
safer
environment
not
only
for
your
labor
but
also
for
your
customers
in
the
public
that
are
passing
by
and
it's
not
costing
you
anything
more
than
plastic
and
steel.
Steel
is
far
more
expensive.
C
So
would
it
be
reasonable
to
ask
you
sandra
to
put
together
a
one-page
document
with
bullet
points
that
we
can
perhaps
provide
through
main
street
or
the
other
business
organizations
as
friendly
recommendation?
G
Just
like
health
or
fitting
you
know,
you
don't
want
to
be,
you
know
dictating
people,
but
you
do
suggest
you
know
like.
Maybe
you
want
to
eat
like
this?
Maybe
you
want
to
take
a
walk
once
in
a
while
exercise
a
little
bit.
You
know,
so
you
know
no
one's,
no
one's
going
to
send
you
to
jail,
but
it's
helpful.
If
people
don't
know
that
this
is
a
healthier
thing
than
this
is
you
know
it
contributes
to
public
health
in
general.
B
C
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
meeting
minutes
for
the
october
20th
regular
meeting
of
the
commission.
The
minutes
were
posted
on
thursday
october
15th
for
city
policy.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
motion?
Do
you
accept?
Thank
you,
rob
a
second.
C
A
Thank
you.
So
most
of
this
is
talked
about
again
in
your
update,
but
I
did
want
to
talk
about
two
of
the
items
that
are
on
this
list.
One
is
the
leap:
lower
ordinance,
enhanced
enforcement
and
the
other
is
the
scholarship
program
to
circle
back
on
that.
A
So,
with
regard
to
the
leap,
lower
ordinance,
we've
been
getting
more
feedback
from
residents
about
their
frustration
with
the
in
speed
and
effectiveness
of
enforcement
efforts,
and
so
the
we
had
talked
about
earlier
this
year
about
trying
to
increase
the
fines
for
second
and
third
offenses
and
then
extending
the
fines
potentially
to
homeowners
or
somehow
finding
them
or
somehow
citing
them,
along
with
the
gardener,
because
they're
really
the
ones
that
employ
them,
and
so
homeowners
are
in
businesses.
A
I
guess-
and
so
I
did
work
with
our
lawyers
to
put
together
a
draft
ordinance
revision
to
reflect
those
things
and
got
some
pushback
about
whether
or
not
I
had.
H
A
Met
with
the
one
ps
group
which
we
had
talked
to
the
code
enforcement
folks
and
they
were
very
supportive
and
then
also
doing
further
analysis
on
how
we
would
improve
the
response
time.
In
addition
to
doing
these
other
things
so
because
if
we
can't,
if
we
still
can't
catch
them,
then
none
of
this
really
matters.
So
so
anyway.
A
One
of
the
ideas
that
we
had
was
to
work
with
the
citizens
on
patrol
and
that
group
has
sort
of
been
defunct
because
of
kovid
concerned,
and
so
they
have
not
been
very
active.
So
we
haven't
been
able
to
engage
them
and
I
think
they're,
probably
the
most
likely
candidate
to
help
us
out
with
this.
A
The
other
suggestion
that
I
had
was
that
we
cross
train
somebody
in
sustainability
to
go
out
and
do
these
to
help
with
the
enforcement
efforts
as
well
and
do
patrols,
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
so
I
am
just
sort
of
throwing
this
out
to
you
to
see
if
you
guys
have
any
suggestions
or
thoughts
about
this
anything
else
that
we
should
be
or
could
be
looking
into
with
regard
to
how
to
enhance
these
enforcement
efforts.
A
With
either
current
resources
or
or
any
other
ideas,
you
might
have
about
additional
resources.
That
may
be
helpful.
B
H
Patrick,
I
have
a
couple
of
thoughts
because
I
was
out
in
my
garden.
It
was
nice
this
afternoon.
I
was
kind
of
done
with
my
work
until
the
commission
meeting.
So
I
was
out
gardening
and
my
next
door.
Neighbors
gardner
was
there
and
it
certainly
sounded
like
a
powered.
You
know
whatever
tools,
because
it
was
exceedingly
loud.
H
My
gardener
has
electric,
and
it's
not
that
loud
so
and
I
had
pre-coded.
You
know
spoken
to
them,
but
I
wasn't.
I
didn't,
have
my
mask
with
me
and
I
was
in
the
position
to
go
up
to
them.
So
a
question
that
I
had
two
two
two
points
is
that
is
there
a
way
I
mean
I
could
have
like
gotten
to
my
phone
and
like
taken
a
photo
of
their
truck?
Is
there
a
way
to
send
this
in
as
a
code
violation
in
the
palm
springs
at
your
service
app.
A
So
so
there
is,
and
you
can
report
it
through
the
app
typically,
what
that
does
is
that
will
generate
a
ticket
request
and
that
will,
if
there
is
an
officer
available
they'll,
go
out
to
that
location
that
currently
the
there's
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
frustration
with
the
app
itself,
because
when
you
take
pictures
it
strips
them
down
to
the
bare
minimum,
and
so
sometimes
when
you
take
a
picture
that
is
very
clear
on
your
end.
A
It
comes
through
as
a
garbled
mess
and
like
we
can't
read
phone
numbers
on
trucks
or
or
license
plate
numbers,
and
so
they
were
supposed
to
look
into
that
to
see
if
they
could
fix
it.
But
that
is
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
with
regard
to
photo
identification
of
things.
A
Sometimes
it's
really
obvious
that
they're
carrying
you
know:
they've
got
the
big
round,
backpack
blower,
that
that
is
really
obviously
gas
and,
to
a
certain
extent,
that's
helpful,
because
we
can
at
least
say
if
we
follow
up
with
a
letter
to
the
homeowner
or
something
we
can
either
attach.
Whatever
picture
we
have,
or
we
can
say
that
they
were
photographed
on
this
date
using
this,
because
what
happens?
Is
people
often
report
noises
and
they
don't
report
what
they
see.
A
So
we're
left
wondering
whether
or
not
it
was
really
a
gas
powered
leaf
blower
because
the
gardener's
always
going
to
say
it
wasn't
that's
the
challenge
that
we
get
into
when
we
approach
the
homeowners.
Is
they
get
really
annoyed
with
us
because
they
say
well,
he
doesn't
use
that
and
it's
like
well.
Actually
we
have
a
picture
of
him
using
that,
and
so
that's
usually
more
helpful
than
not
to
have
so
so
I
I
think
encouraging
people
to
take
pictures
is
one
thing
that
we
could
do
more
of
that.
H
All
right,
well,
that
would
be
that
would
have
been.
You
know
something
I
would
have
considered.
As
I
said
in
my
mask,
and
just
it
wasn't,
I
wasn't
in
a
position
to
sort
of
make
a
report,
and
the
second
point
that
I
have
that
you
somewhat
alluded
to.
It
is
to
make
sure
so
my
next-door
neighbor
they
it's
a
second
home
they're,
rarely
here
they're
based
in
the
la
area-
and
I
think
they
haven't
been
here
that
often
during
coping
times.
H
But
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there's
a
letter
it
goes
out
to
the
homeowner,
and
then
I
don't
know
when
you
might
have
to
refer
to
sort
of
property
tax
addresses
to
that.
If
you're
sending
a
letter
it's
sent
to
where
they
get
their,
you
know
their
property
tax
bill
which
may
be
in
la
or
orange
county,
because
if
you
send
it
to
you
know
my
next
door
neighbor
or
there
they're
not
going
to
see
it
because
they're
just
right.
A
Yeah,
so
what
what
I
typically
do
is
we
have
a
parcel
explorer
a
gis
partial
explorer,
so
that
gives
us
the
mailing
address
and
the
actual
physical
address
so
yeah,
okay,
great.
H
Yeah
that
that
that
that's
helpful
to
let
them
know
that
hey,
you
know
we
have
the
photos
and
there
so
they're,
usually
here
on
next
tuesdays
or
wednesdays,
so
I'll
kind
of
late
afternoon,
so
I'll
I'll
sort
of
be.
You
know,
keep
my
ears
and
eyes
open
for
next
week,
yeah
you
know
or
whatever,
because
it's
not
the
first
time
right
right.
C
Yes,
patrick
I
have
a
couple
of
things
to
add
sure
is
that
I
did
get
a
confirmation
from
lieutenant
viegas
that
he'll
be
participating
in
the
december
2nd
code
enforcement
and
public
works
committee
meeting.
So
that
might
be
a
good
time
to
have
a
more
detailed
discussion
with
him,
and
I'm
also
going
to
ask
him
to
talk
about
staffing,
because
that's
been
an
issue
for
code
compliance,
so
right
opportunity
to
perhaps
make
some
progress.
C
Also.
I
talked
to
kathy
cohn
recently
and
she
suggested
that
you
bring
this
up
in
your
report
to
the
1ps
membership
september
1st,
and
she
also
suggested
that
perhaps
a
lot
of
the
violations
are
coming
from
houses
that
are
vacation,
rentals
and
suggested
that
perhaps
talking
to
the
property
management
companies
that
may
be
hiring.
G
A
Okay,
those
are
all
good
things
and
I
can
certainly
bring
it
up
at
both
1ps
and
the
public
works
committee.
Do
they
and
I've
gotten
sort
of
mixed
signals
on
the
the
like
the
role
of
1ps
in
this
sort
of
a
process?
Is
it
something
that
we
could
take
to
them
and
have
them
vote
on
like?
Are
they
supportive
of
x
or
do
they
do
that.
C
I
don't
know
I
see
it
more
as
getting
out
the
information
to
them
how
to
report
violations
like,
like
you
just
explained
to
david,
taking
pictures
and
so
forth,
making
them
more
aware
of
what
what's
happening.
A
I
will-
and
it's
kind
of
related
to
the
next
item,
which
is
sustainability
scholarship,
so
I
did
intend
to
include
gardeners
and
lead
blowing
equipment
in
the
incentive
program
that
we
have
under
that
scholarship
program.
So
again,
it
would
be
another
funding
source
for
the
gardeners
if
they
so
chose
to
get
a
replacement
blower,
and
I
wanted
to
talk
with
you
about
that-
a
little
bit
because
well
I'll
hold
on
to
that
for
a
second.
A
So
based
on
our
conversation
last
time,
I
made
some
edits
to
the
the
scholarship
program,
and
so
the
main
thing
that
I
did
was
in
response
to
your
comments
was
to
increase
the
funding
ceiling
for
for
large
scale,
larger
scale
purchase
like
building
modifications
or
large
equipment
purchases,
and
then
procurement
of
products
and
services.
I
put
that
at
750
and
then
500
for
some
of
the
lawn
lawn
care
stuff.
A
The
part
of
the
reason
that
I
did
that
was,
I
wanted
to
keep
the
lawn
care
stuff
a
little
bit
lower
under
the
600
tax
reporting
threshold,
and
then
I
also
felt
like
based
on
the
that
type
of
equipment
that
probably
dollars
was
probably
fine
and
then
the
other
ones.
I
wanted
to
provide
a
little
more
leeway
so
so
I
increased
those
amounts.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
what
I
did
based
on
our
conversation
last
time,
one
of
the
key
things,
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
included
in
there.
A
That
description
was
that
they'd
be
in
good
standing
and
not
have
any
outstanding
fines
with
the
city
which
I
will
definitely
retain,
and
then
the
other
one
was
having
them
be
a
licensed
business,
and
so
the
the
dilemma
that
we
get
into
is
the
gardeners.
A
So
I
feel
like
that
might
be
a
little
bit
fraught,
but
I
also
don't
really
know
if
it
would
be
cool
for
the
city
to
be
giving
out
money
to
businesses
that
aren't
licensed
either.
So
I
wanted
to
sort
of
run
that
past
you
and
and
kind
of
see
what
you
thought
of
that
and
see.
If
you
had
any
thoughts
about
that,
so
that
dilemma.
G
A
So
we're
talking
about
individual
homeowners
who
contract
with
a
an
individual
or
group
of
individuals,
some
of
them,
maybe
formal
companies,
others
of
them
may
not
be
formal
companies.
H
Patrick,
my
one
comment
is,
I
wouldn't
say,
change
the
form,
but
building
upgrades
should
be
viewed
in
a
sort
of
you
know.
Large
sense
not
narrow,
but
you
know
very
generous
about
what
counts
as
a
building
upgrade
in
particular
I'm
thinking
of
stuff
like
cool
roofs
or
insulation,
and
and
it
probably
isn't
it
would
be
considered
infrastructure
or
an
upgrade,
but
it
isn't
necessarily
sort
of
equipment.
But
those
are
things,
and
you
recall,
on
the
cost-effectiveness
table.
Those
are
very
highly
cost
effective.
H
C
B
A
Well,
what
I
did
was:
I'm
gonna
set
aside
a
hundred
thousand
under
each
program
under
sustainability
and
recycling
and
just
see
where
that
takes
us.
I
certainly
wouldn't
go
over
that,
but
but
I
wasn't
sure
kind
of
what
it
how
it
would
play
out,
and
so
I
didn't
necessarily
want
to
limit
it
too
much,
but
but
I
think
it'll
probably
be
more
on
the
recycling
side
and
less
on
the
sustainability
side.
But
I
don't
know
so.
A
All
right
so
we'll
stick
to
the
license
business
and
hopefully
it'll
encourage
people
to
get
their
business
license
so,
and
the
state
program
still
applies
for
the
rebate
program
for
the
lawn
equipment.
So
so
they
should
take
advantage
of
that
if
they
have
not
already
okay,
all
right,
well
I'll
I'll
finish
that
off
and
make
those
tweaks
and
that
we're
gonna
push
that
out
starting
in
december
and
start
to
publicize
it.
So
so
I'll
do
it
through
I'll.
A
Let
the
folks
at
1ps
know
and
the
folks
at
main
street
know
and
various
business
groups,
so
all
right
other
than
that.
We're
moving
full
steam
ahead
on
1383
planning,
we're
going
to
work
with
psds
on
scoping
out
our
new
franchise
agreement
and
then
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory.
I
actually
requested
that
they
provide
us
something
for
this
meeting,
but
they
did
not
do
that.
They're
still
waiting
on
the
vehicle
miles,
traveled
information,
and
so,
if
I
get
that,
I
may
share
that
with
folks
before
the
next
meeting
in
october.
A
But
probably
the
way
it'll
work
is
we'll
probably
share
it
with
the
solar
and
green
building
committee
in
early
december
and
then
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
in
the
summer
and
then
the
demo
garden
turf
conversion
effort.
We
are
going
to
meet
next
week
to
talk
about
plant
selection,
so
that's
rolling
forward
and
commissioner
miller
and
commissioner
friedman
are
going
to
participate
in
that
discussion.
If.
A
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
that
that
january
would
be
the
time
frame.
Yes,.
H
Okay,
as
I
said,
I
will
continue
to
to
update
things.
Okay,.
B
C
B
O'clock:
okay,.
A
So
let
me
see
here
if
there
is
anything
else
demo,
yes,
so
we're
gonna,
do
plan
selection
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
group
once
we
have
kind
of
finalized
the
plant
list
and
bring
it
back
to
the
group
for
approval
and
that's
it
for
old
business
and
then
on
new
business,
which
is
the
next
item.
I
don't
have
anything.
I
did
not
get
the
scope
of
work
that
I
had
requested,
and
so
I
have
nothing
to
share
with
you
at
this
time.
H
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
clark,
I'll
keep
this
brief
since
everything's
pretty
much
in
the
written
report,
so
there
I
think
we're
ready
to
roll
on
the
home
energy
assessment
audit
program
and
that
would
be
rolled
out
next
month,
along
with
the
with
the
sustainability
scholarship
and
it's
good,
because
then
we
have
one
program
for
homeowners
and
potentially
for
renters
and
one
one
program
for
residents
on
our
program
for
businesses,
so
we're
we're
sort
of
hitting
a
lot
of
things
and
I'll
work
with
dc
to
make
sure
that
actually,
both
programs
are
publicized
when
they're
launched
the
national
receivable
energy
lab
solar
app,
so
we've
been
discussing
with
building
patrick
particularly
been
following
up
on
that
and
that'll
probably
wait
until
they
formally
launch
the
program,
and
you
know
I'll,
keep
posted
on
that
through
the
whole
smart
program
about
when
that
that
day
gets
launched.
H
And
finally,
I'm
continuing
my
my
new
duties
as
a
beta
tester
for
the
statewide
codes
and
standards
reach
code
program.
I
had
a
call
last
week
with
the
with
person
who's
putting
that
together
and
I've
been
testing
a
lot
of
bills
and
whistles
that
they're
adding
to
the
program.
One
of
them
that
I
thought
was
very
helpful
ties
into
our
ghg
inventory
is
that
for
a
specific
measure
such
as
a
cool
roof
on
a
house,
that's
pre-1978.
H
I
can
say
that
we
do
this,
then
that
will
reduce
for
every
group
that
goes
on
a
pre-1978
house.
It
will
save
x
amount
of
ghg
equivalent.
So
it's
a
that's
a
very
powerful
feature
that
they're
adding
they
actually
have
that
data,
and
then
we
can
compare
it
just
go
to
the
building
department
and
say
well
how
many
loop
permits
you
get,
and
so
we
would
actually
be
able
to
extrapolate
some
information
from
that
measure.
H
I'm
not
sure
it'll
be
directly
available
by
january,
but
we'll
see
I
will
continue
to
play
with
it.
As
this
is
a
beta
tester.
I
get
access
prior
to
the
to
the
former
rollout
and
so
I'll
use
use
that
information,
patrick
in
particular
for
the
for
the
for
the
cost,
cost
effectiveness
table
and
I'll
probably
be
able
to
at
least
get
an
update
for
that
for
our
for
our
committee
meeting
in
two
weeks.
Okay-
and
that's
it
for
me
for
green
building
solar.
A
Right,
so
just
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
touch
on
here.
First
is:
I
wanted
to
mention
that
we've
had
I've
had
some
internal
follow-up
discussions
with
the
engineering
team
about
moving
forward
with
some
analyses
for
managing
the
flare
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
to
assess
the
feasibility
and
engineering
needs
associated
with
expanding
the
anaerobic
digestion
system
there
to
accommodate
more
food
waste,
so
we're
following
up
on
some
studies
that
will
take
actually
quite
a
bit
of
time
if
they
move
forward
fully.
A
In
particular,
we
need
to
work
with
southern
cal
socal
gas
to
analyze
the
kind
of
capacity
and
the
output
from
the
flare
such
that
it
would
tell
us
more
information
about
whether
or
not
they
could
take
it
into
their
system,
so
so
that
that
is
going
to
be
a
process,
and
the
first
study
is
about.
I
think
it's
about
six
weeks
and
that'll
kind
of
lead
to
another
study
and
then
a
third
study,
all
all
of
which
would
take
about
a
year
in
total,
to
really
figure
out
all
of
that
process.
A
So
we're
following
up
on
that
and
trying
to
pursue
that
line
of
inquiry.
So
so
that's
all
good
and
then
the
trashcan
audit
on
this,
let's
see
last
monday,
I
guess
it
was
two
months.
Last
monday
we
went
out,
we
did
a
audit
of
the
downtown
trash
can
similar
to
what
we
did
about
a
year
ago
and
commissioner
mccann
and
commissioner
clark
and.
A
A
A
A
I
I
I
I'm
not
sure
why
I
can't
change
this
to
anyway.
If
you
can
see
that
first
page
we're
good
yep
all
right,
so
yeah
we
did
the
survey.
Last
monday
we
we
took
a
look
at
the
contents
of
all
of
the
trash
and
recycled
containers
in
a
particular
area
of
the
downtown.
I
Why
did
we
do
this?
You
I'm
sure
you're
all
asking
yourself,
since
we
did
a
previous
one
in
2019,
but
the
reason
we
did
it
is.
There
were
quite
a
few
limitations
with
that
previous
one.
We,
if
you
see
the
pictures
there,
the
recycled
containers
were
not
very
well
differentiated
from
the
trash
containers.
I
They
looked
the
same
and
they
were
just
stickers
on
them
essentially,
and
we
we
didn't,
have
very
many
recycled
containers
in
the
downtown
area,
so
there
was
a
real
discrepancy
between
the
numbers
of
trash
containers
and
recycled
containers
and
again,
as
I
just
said,
they
were
poorly
differentiated.
I
What
did
we
find
I'll?
Just
draw
your
attention
to
the
these
two
bars
here.
We
found
that
there
was
a
lot
of
food
packaging
contamination
in
the
recycled
containers
and
a
lot
of
drink
cups
were
in
the
recycled
containers
and
unfortunately,
what
we
didn't
know
from
the
survey
was
is
that
because
people
were
just
confusing
the
two
types
of
containers,
because
they
weren't
well
differentiated
or
was
there
some
other
reason
for
it?
I
So
in
the
interim
we
have
replaced
the
those
those
badly
differentiated
containers
with
these
new
ones.
You'll
see
the
two
pictures:
we've
got
a
gray
trash
container
now
and
a
blue
recycled
container,
both
of
which
have
the
wording
on
them
so
much
much
more
differentiation
and
the
the
second
advantage
for
doing
another
survey
was
that
we
now
have
much
more
balanced
numbers.
27
unpaired
trash
containers
that
we
surveyed
compared
to
24
paired
trash
and
recycled
containers.
I
Just
one
slide
on
our
methodology:
we
defined
a
large
number
of
categories
of
waste
and
then
we
each
went
around
to
each
one
of
these
containers,
opened
them
up
and
then
counted
the
numbers
of
of
all
the
different
waste
categories
that
were
in
those
containers.
And
then
we
we
put
them
on
these
sheets
and
then
I
I
went
ahead
and
put
them
in
a
spreadsheet
and
tallied
them.
I
For
for
various
reasons
that
I
won't
go
into
here,
I
reduced
all
these
categories
because
we
had
too
many
categories
and
it
turned
out
that
it's
much
more
illuminating
if
you
consolidate
some
of
them,
so
we
I
consolidated
them
down
to
six
aluminum
and
glass.
Drink
containers,
plastic
drinks
screw
cap
bottles.
So
you
know
what
I
mean
by
that
it's
the
ones
where
you
can
actually
unscrew
them,
regardless
of
whether
they're
soft
drink
bottles
or
water
bottles,
plastic,
drink
cups
is
self-explanatory.
I
I
I
And
here
is
the
bottom
line
of
what
we
found
this
is
these
are
these
are
bar
graphs
of
the
proportion
of
the
total
amount
of
different
amount,
different
kinds
of
wastes
that
were
in
all
these
containers
by
category
that
I
just
described
and
you'll
see
that
there's
there's
interesting
patterns
here.
I
People
were
very
good
about
putting
aluminum
and
glass
bottles
into
recycled
containers
and
keeping
them
out
of
the
waste
containers,
regardless
of
whether
the
waste
containers
were
separated
and
on
their
own
or
whether
they
were
paired
same
thing
with
plastic
drinks
screw
caps.
People
are
good,
they
know
about
those.
I
So
that's
the
good
side,
and
I
want
to
jump
right
over
to
also
the
good
side,
which
is
the
extreme
right
group.
The
food,
non-plastic
and
food
accompanying
items
notice
how
good
they
were
with
those
they
put
those
in
the
trash
containers
and
they
didn't
they
avoided
putting
them
in
the
recycled
containers.
So
this
is
all
good.
This
is
what
they
should
be
doing.
I
The
bad
news
is
these
middle
three:
look
at
plastic,
drink
cups,
big
propensity
to
put
plastic,
drink
cups
into
the
recycle
containers,
and
we
don't
like
that:
they're,
not
recyclable,
just
about
even
numbers
on
plastic
food
accessories,
like
plastic,
clam
shells,
for
example,
and
just
about
even
numbers
again,
once
you
get
to
the
pair
containers
on
paper,
drink
cups,
none
of
these
things
are
recyclable.
So
this
is
all
bad.
I
What
I?
What
I'm
calling
them
is
confusion
categories
because
remember.
I
said
that
we
didn't
know
about
the
contamination
that
we
got
in
our
original
survey
with
those
original
containers
was
it
because
the
containers
were
confusable
and
people
didn't
know
really
which
was
a
recycle
and
which
was
a
trash
container.
I
But
now
we've
cleaned
that
up
these.
These
containers
are
clearly
separable
and
we're
still
getting
the
confusion.
So
I
think
the
the
bottom
line
answer
to
all
this
is
people
are
throwing
this
stuff
in
the
recycle
containers
because
they
don't
understand
that
they're,
not
recyclable.
I
A
I
Is
it
the
case
that
if
you
go
into
a
recyclable
shop,
the
way
you
used
to
be
able
to
they're
expecting
you
to
put
those
paper
drink
cups
into
their
recycle
container?
I'll
bet,
it
is
right,
right,
okay,
this
is
all
bad
bad
bad.
They
are
not
recyclable.
I
I
Is
the
education
level
that
people
don't
know
that
these
things
aren't
recyclable
and,
and
our
last
line
of
defense,
then,
is
our
signage,
so
we
we're
gonna
design,
signage,
we're
gonna,
put
it
up
on
these
downtown
containers
and
then
we
can
go
back
and
we
can
redo
our
assessment
and
see
what
happens.
The
the
problem
right
now
is
that
the
signs
that
have
been
designed
are
all
the
the
proactive.
The
positive
side
see
the
recycle
right.
I
It's
all
of
the
elements
that
we
want
people
to
put
in
recycled
containers,
but
but
the
results
of
our
data
are
that
people
already
know
that,
so
it's
not
clear
that
the
signage
is
going
to
give
us
much
benefit.
If
that's
what
the
signage
contains.
I
Instead,
it's
it
may
be
much
more
beneficial
to
to
emphasize
the
things
that
they
shouldn't
be
putting
in
the
recycled
containers
and
the
things
that
we
know
that
they're
confusing
now
and
believe
that
they
can
throw
in
to
them.
So
so,
patrick,
I
think
we're
gonna
have
some
lively
discussions
in
our
subcommittee
meeting
in
december,
about
the
signage
and
and
how
to
modify
it
on
the
basis
of
these
results.
I
Great
and
that's
it
any
any
observations
or
questions.
D
I
have
a
question,
so
commissioner
miller
was
the
one
who
would
inform
me.
Thank
you
lonnie
for
this
about
two
years
ago
about
what
some
of
these
things
that
you
think
recyclable,
such
as
starbucks
cups,
which
really
aren't,
and
I
thought
I
was
a
little
more
educated
than
the
average
person
so
to
see
these
clamshells.
I
mean
I
thought
the
very
same
things
until
commissioner
miller
brought
in
her
display
a
year
or
two
ago,
and
that
was
very
informative.
I
just
think
people
honestly
don't
know.
I
Yep,
I
think
these
data
are
totally
bearing
that
out.
They
don't
know
and
and
therefore
they
think
that
they're
recycled
or
even
it
may
it
may
be
a
misjudgment
on
people's
part.
It's
not
that
they're
unclear,
so
they
sort
of
decide
when
they
get
to
a
paired
set
of
containers.
Well,
I
don't
really
know
so
I'll,
just
like
throw
it
into
whatever.
I
think
it's
it's
more
that
they
think
that
these
things
are
recyclable.
I
A
Right
and
they
have
the
little
recycling
symbol
on
them,
so
people
think
that
they're
recyclable,
but
you
know
the
other
thing
to
add
more
confusion-
is
that
I
actually
asked
bertak
about
this
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
those
plastic,
a
clear
plastic
cup
with
no
writing
on
it
would
be
recyclable
if
it
was
empty
and
they
basically
said
not
the
number
ones,
but
the
number
twos
could
be
recycled.
A
I
Yeah
well
we're
we're
never
going
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
can
have
people
make
split
decisions
downtown
right
about
based
on
their
examining
the
numbers
on
these
items.
It's
just
never
going
to
happen.
A
A
I
Sure
I
did.
A
So
the
first
meeting
of
the
community
advisory
committee
media
community
advisory
committee
will
be
tomorrow
evening
and
it's
mostly
an
organizational
meeting
to
get
folks
together.
Talk
about
purpose
and
just
kind
of
talk
about
the
scope
of
the
effort
and
so
grant
is
on
the
line,
and
he
is
gonna
be
kind
of
our
representative
from
our
subcommittee
to
that
group.
We
got
about
three
three
or
four
representatives
from
1ps
based
on
my
last
ask
at
the
meeting
last
week,
so
that
was
really
helpful.
A
One
of
them
is
actually
a
mom
who
has
a
kid
in
catherine
finchey's
school
too,
so
that
that's
kind
of
a
double
whammy
for
us,
so
so
anyway,
so
the
contractor
was
just
following
up
with
the
participants
to
make
sure
that
they
registered
for
the
meeting,
because
not
everybody
did
so.
A
I
think
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
that.
I
think
my
only
caveat
with
that
with
moving
forward
with
the
meeting
was,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
somebody
from
ps
cares
was
going
to
be
on
that,
because
I
know
that
they
are
a
key
player
here.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
were
on
board.
They
were
very
excited
about
it,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
were
going
to
be
at
the
meeting.
A
So
plan
is
to
move
forward
with
that
meeting
tomorrow
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
start
to
release
we'll
have
another
meeting
of
our
subgroup
and
then
we'll
start
to
move
forward
with
kind
of
public
outreach
on
kind
of
pedestrian
surveys
and
a
public
event
that
kind
of
thing.
So
so
that's
the
plan.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
The
next
is
ad
hoc
subcommittee
on
bicycle
routes
and
cycling,
and
I
think
commissioner
flanagan
has
left.
C
I
did
talk
to
him
about
that
and
one
question
I
have
that
patrick
may
know
the
answer
to
was:
was
there
a
meeting
with
lisa
middleton
about
bike
routes,
in
particular
in
the
southern
part
of
town.
A
Yeah,
so
I
had
a
meeting
along
with
our
engineering
folks
with
lisa
middleton
last
week
to
talk
about
biking
on
basically
on
south
palm
canyon
and
in
that
neighborhood,
so
laverne,
south
palm
canyon,
that
area
murray
canyon,
and
so
we
are
going
to
make
sure
that
we
include
some
of
that
discussion
in
our
pedestrian
safety
discussions,
because
some
of
that
was
related
to
pedestrian
safety
as
well.
A
But
but
the
city
is
going
to
be
looking
into
opportunities
to
enhance
our
our
biking
opportunities
down
there,
and
I
believe
that
the
thing
that
came
up
in
particular
was
that
when
the
idea
of
a
road
diet
for
south
palm
canyon,
south
of
the
curve
came
up,
originally
council
wasn't
too
excited
about
it.
And
so
I
think
it
got
put
on
the
back
burner
and
it
was.
It
was
never
done.
A
H
Patrick
I
have
some
battle
scars
about
that
one.
There
was
some
community
opposition
from
andreas
hills
on
canyon.
I
I
think
this
is
before
you
joined
the
city,
but
it
was
it
was.
It
was
a
challenge,
so
there's
a
lot
of
history
back
there
and
there
was
opposition
even
to
mary
canyon,
which
is
kind
of
ridiculous,
because
that's
a
freeway,
as
I
know
and
laverne
also
is
commissioner
flanagan
knows
so.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
H
There
is
clearly
a
gap
in
there,
but
we'll
have
to
deal
with
community
opposition
that
somehow
wants
to
drive
60
miles
an
hour
on
southbound
canyon,
between
between
liver
and
between
the
curve
and
and
murray
canyon,
because
there
are
no
traffic
lights
right.
There,
no
stop
signs
and
no
traffic
lights
anywhere.
So
people
right.
A
So
I
think
that
we're
looking
at
a
combination
of
things
there-
and
there
was
definitely
discussions
about
community
engagement
on
that
too.
So
that
will
follow.
H
Yeah,
I
have
some
materials
I'll
I'll
see
if,
because
we
looked
at
this
so
I'll
see
if
there's
anything
sort
of
historical
that
may
be
useful
for
that
I'll
I'll.
Look
at
my
files
tomorrow.
C
H
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
so
yeah,
so
laverne
and
mary
canyon
happened.
So
there
were
all
three
up
to
pretty
much
the
same
time,
laverne
and
and
the
commission
actually
yeah.
We
made
a
recommendation
for
for
those
and
and
laverne
and
mary
canyon
happened
by
southbound
canyon,
which
would
close
the
loop.
If
you
will
didn't
happen
so
I
mean
you
can
go
on,
you
can
go
and
communal
real
past
all
the
wonderful
homes
in
our
neighborhood,
but
it's
kind
of
out
of
the
way
and
it's
it's
not
a
direct
route.
B
I
We
I
I
got
a
letter
to
patrick
last
week
that
incorporated
the
two
recommendations
from
the
draft
of
the
letter
last
month
that
the
city
go
out
and
assess
itself
the
lights
that
may
be
out
of
compliance
with
with
their
own
municipal
code
and
so
patrick.
I
don't
who
knows
what
the
response
to
this
is
going
to
be.
A
So
do
we
need
any
further
input
from
the
group
on
this,
or
is
that
ready
to
go.
C
I
Sounds
good
and
then
and
then
going
forward.
I
think
the
next
step
is
I'll
start
working
on
incorporating
other
cities
ordinances
and
that
kind
of
thing
into
a
draft
of
an
ordinance
for
palm
springs.
H
Okay,
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that
just
to
give
you
some
input
on
sort
of
you
know,
ordinance
drafting,
sometimes.
H
Thank
you
chair
clark,
a
couple
of
updates
from
dwa
meetings
from
earlier
this
month
again
this
morning.
So
at
the
november
third
meeting
dwa
board
includes
amendments
to
his
long-term
water
supply
contract
with
state
department
of
water
resources
hdwr
for
the
delivery
of
state
water
project
water.
That's
the
water
through
the
canal,
which
we
don't
get
because
we
get
the
colorado
river
water
instead.
H
But
that's
how
we
measure
dwa
measures
its
available
water
from
from
the
state,
so
the
amended
contract
will
create
flexibility
for
water
transfers
and
exchanges
with
other
other
public
water
agencies
and
at
this
morning's
meeting,
long
meeting,
but
dwa
board
authorized
a
funding
agreement
with
uwr
for
environmental
planning
costs
associated
with
the
delta
conveyance
project,
I.e
the
tunnel
in
the
amount
of
up
to
1.9
million
dollars
for
the
first
two
years,
payment
of
the
project
to
spread
over
44
years
and
if
the
after
two
years,
cwa
continues
to
participate
through
year.
H
Four,
the
total
cost
will
be
about
5.2
million
dollars.
There's
a
very
likely
staff
report
materials
for
them
this
morning,
but
the
board
felt
that
building
the
tunnel
would
increase
reliability
on
getting
water
entitled
into
to
water,
because
there
are
issues
about
the
state
water
project,
subsidence,
earthquakes,
sea
level,
rise,
etc.
So
they
feel
that
the
tunnel
would
increase
their
water,
reliability.
H
D
D
Okay,
excuse
me,
so
we
are
reinvigorating
the
anti-smoking
or
smoking
ordinance.
I
met
with
edwin
ramanan
from
the
human
rights
commission
twice
this
month
and
their
meeting
is
tomorrow.
Our
meeting
is
tonight.
We
consolidated
the
two
stand-alone
ordinances
into
one.
There
were
really
very
minor
changes.
I
mean
some.
D
C
Thank
you
great
great
work,
finally,
desert
community
energy.
H
Okay
report:
another
report
back
so
the
dc
board
met
yesterday
afternoon.
The
board
approved
a
rate
stabilization
schedule
that
will
be
effective
december
1
to
adjust
for
increased
wholesale
electricity
prices
on
a
rolling
12-month
basis.
H
There's
no
change
in
the
existing
rate,
setting
parameters
which
provide
for
a
zero
to
one
percent
average
total
bill
discount
on
dc's
desert
saver
product
and
up
to
a
ten
percent
average
total
bill
premium
on
dc
is
100
carbon
free
product
when
compared
to
sce's
average
total
base
product
bill.
However,
city
council
will
discuss
in
january
whether
utility
discount
program
customers
and
the
karen
fiora
programs
should
continue
enrollment
in
the
carbon
free
as
opposed
to
desert
saver
product,
because
that
has
an
estimated
annual
cost
to
dce
well
900
000.
H
So
council
may
reverse
the
decision
that
they
made
earlier
this
year
on
that
issue,
dc
staff
and
consultants
are
continuing.
Negotiations
with
solar
and
wind
developers
to
secure
long-term
renewable
energy
and
staff
is
expecting
to
bring
at
least
one
of
the
final
contracts
dc
board
for
approval
at
the
december
21
meeting.
I'm
not
sure
if
I'll
have
a
report.
H
That's
after
our
december
meeting,
I'm
not
sure
the
agenda
will
be
available
before
when
we
meet
so
that
may
update
me
after
wait
until
january
about
what
happens
there
and
then.
Finally,
dc
staff
is
also
working
with
grid
alternatives
to
identify
identify
outreach
opportunities
to
residents
of
affordable
housing
units
that
could
be
equipped
with
rooftop
solar
under
the
state
stash
program.
H
Patrick,
you
had
done
that
research
on
the
deed,
restricted
homes
and
the
sort
of
in
the
chakwala
area,
and
so
these
are
sort
of
city-sponsored,
affordable
housing
for
quite
a
few
years
ago,
but
they
are
still
subject
to
deed
restrictions,
which
means
they
would
qualify
for
solar,
and
there
is
a
little
bit
of
money
left
for
next
year
and
it's
a
user
lose
it
program
from
the
cpuc.
H
So
all
work
together
and
trying
to
get
great
alternatives
back
they
had
done
stuff.
One
of
their
representatives
appeared
way
back
in
2016
when
we
were
looking
at
solar
they've
done.
Solar
projects
here
in
palm
springs,
we're
hoping
to
get
them
back
sometime
next
year
via
dc,
and
that's
it
for
a
dc
report.
C
H
C
So
the
final
item
on
the
agenda
before
adjournment
is
commissioner
comments
and
upcoming
agenda,
we'll
go
through
the
attendance
list
and
ask
anybody
to
make
comments
additional
comments
that
they
might
have
or
suggestions
for
the
agenda
for
the
december
meeting.
C
Jim
is
left
david
friedman,
no
comment.
B
C
Okay,
so
that
was
less
than
a
minute
per
person
at
our
goal
and
I've
taken
notes-
and
we
do
have
several
suggestions
for
the
agenda
for
the.
C
Okay,
so
our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
tuesday
december
15th
at
5
30
through
zoom,
most
likely
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
this
meeting
motion
to
adjourn.
Thank
you
rob
second.
C
Okay,
second
and
third,
okay,
so
the
all
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye
hi.
The
meeting
is
adjourned
and
thank
you
very
much
for
a
productive
meeting.
That's
december
15th
roy
december
15th.