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A
Okay,
we,
you
started
the
reporting,
mr
chair
and
we're
ready
to
go.
B
Okay,
this
is
the
tuesday
february
16
2021
meeting
of
the
city
of
palm
springs
architectural
advisory
committee.
It
is
5
34.
david.
Would
you
please
do
roll
call.
D
D
B
A
question
because
one
of
our
members
is
not
here.
I
assume
that
dan
thompson
will
be
acting
as
a
full
commissioner
and
can
discuss
the
things
and
vote.
A
D
A
Yes,
chair
jaquie
and
committee
members,
the
agenda
was
published
and
posted
on
february
11th.
Our
meeting
has
been
posted
in
quantum
state
law.
D
B
Okay,
moving
on
this
is
a
public
meeting
and
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue.
That's
within
this
committee's
purview
comments
of
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time
of
that
that
that
item
is
presented
so
assistant
director
newell.
Do
we
have
any
public
comments
or
people
waiting
to
make
public
comments.
A
Chair,
we
haven't
had
interim
requests
to
speak,
but
there
are
members
of
the
public
who
are
on
the
call
today.
So
if
there's
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
on
an
matter
of
the
general
public
interest
to
the
committee,
you
may
do
so
now,
otherwise
each
member
will
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
during
each
item.
That's
on
our
agenda!
B
Okay,
thank
you.
We
don't
have
any
minutes
to
review.
There
is
no
consent,
calendar
and
no
unfinished
business.
So
we'll
move
straight
to
new
business
item
number
one
is
mass
flora
llc
on
behalf
of
you,
you
flora,
request
a
minor
architectural
application
and
sign
permit
application
to
modify
the
exterior
of
the
building
and
install
new
signage
for
a
new
cannabis
dispensary
located
at
577
east
sunny
dunes
road.
E
The
project
site
consists
of
two
main
buildings
attached
by
two
existing
restrooms
and
a
storage
area
on
the
left.
You
can
kind
of
see
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen,
the
existing
the
site
plan
as
it
exists
via
google
earth
alex.
E
There
we
go.
This
is
a
site
plan
located
at
577
east
sunny
dunes
road.
E
The
project
site
consists
of
two
main
buildings
attached
by
two
existing
restrooms
and
a
storage
area
on
the
left.
You
can
see
the
screen
now
right.
B
E
Okay,
so
the
image
on
the
right
is
a
google
arial
of
the
site
as
it
exists.
Currently,
you've
got
a
building
in
the
back,
you
know,
and
the
it's
connected
to
the
building
in
the
front
by
some
storage
on
the
on
the
left.
There's
a
building,
a
very
small
building
on
the
left.
E
This
gives
you
a
better
idea
of
the
floor
plan.
The
proposed
cannabis
dispensary
will
only
occupy
the
front
building,
formerly
known
as
bones
and
scones.
The
retail
aspect
is
approximately
800
square
feet.
The
office
is
92
square
feet
and
the
storage
facility
is
123
square
feet
with
additional
storage,
with
an
additional
storage
area
and
restroom
located
outside
of
the
main
building.
E
The
front
of
the
building
faces
east
sunny
dunes
road.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
repaint
both
the
buildings
in
the
front
and
the
rear,
a
light
beige
color,
the
existing
landscaping
areas
that
are
filled
with
sand
and
rock
and
dead
vegetation
currently
will
be
replaced
with
a
nice
desert
landscape.
E
E
E
The
applicant
has
requested
a
monument
sign
instead
of
a
wall
sign
the
proposed
block
wall.
I'm
sorry,
the
proposed
monument
sign
will
be
of
a
cmu
block
wall.
The
sign
complies
with
the
sign
ordinance
outlined
in
the
palm
springs.
Zoning
code
staff
recommends
ac,
recommended
approval
to
planning
commission
subject
to
the
conditions
outlined
in
the
report,
which
is
to
screen
the
mechanical
equipment
on
the
roof,
with
a
new
parapet
and
to
repair
the
and
re-slurry
the
parking
lot
as
needed.
The
applicant
is
available
to
answer
any
additional
questions.
B
F
F
B
G
E
I
E
So
there
is
sufficient
parking,
it's
not
like
we're
intensifying
or
they
are
intensifying
the
use,
but
I
think
when
they
start
adding
tenants
in
the
back
it
might,
it
might
be
under
parked.
Okay,
thank
you.
J
Unless
I
have
a
question
robert
yeah,
alex
in
the
rendering
of
the
proposed
renovation,
the
address
is
quite
large
is:
are
there
any
guidelines
on
the
size
of
those
that's
allowable.
E
K
I'm
I'm
here,
but
also
our
architect,
jim
coffey,
he's
here
also
on
the
call.
B
Okay,
would
you
please
give
us
a
presentation
of
your
project?
You
have
10
minutes
with
two
minutes
of
rebuttal.
If
desire
can.
H
Afternoon,
everyone,
hello,
james
chiofi
architect,
we're
pleased
that
we're
able
to
take
a
look
at
this
building.
It's
always
been
one
of
my
favorite
little
buildings.
I
don't
know
if
some
of
you
remember,
howard,
lapham
or
not,
but
this
was
his
building.
His
offices
were
in
this
building.
He
built
he
designed
and
built
the
building
back
in
the
late
60s
and
he
was
a
friend
of
mine
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
able
to
now
say
that
I've
actually
helped
renovate
the
building
and
restore
it.
It's
not
a
storm.
I'm
sorry.
D
H
H
There
is
no
trash
enclosure
shown
there
never
has
been
since
I've
known
the
place,
but
the
cans
are
currently,
although
they
show
in
the
picture
outside
there's
a
storage
room
in
between
two
bathrooms
there
and
that's
where
the
cans,
the
roll-away
cans,
will
be
stored,
so
they'll
be
put
out,
like
other
places
on
trash
day,
to
be
picked
up
at
the
curb
the
we
went
through
and
and
decided
to
get
rid
of
all
these
funny
air
conditioning
units
that
have
been
added
over
the
years.
H
We
understand
there's
some
there's
some
existing
air
conditioning
units
on
the
roof.
The
front
building
has
an
existing
unit
that
has
been
there
since
the
building
was
built.
We're
happy
to
work
with
the
staff
on
a
on
a
little
enclosure
around
that
we
think.
Maybe
a
metal
horizontal
metal
enclosure
would
be
best
to
keep
the
building
kind
of
light
and
and
not
too
heavy,
there's
also,
which
doesn't
show
in
the
rendering.
I
just
wanted
to
point
this
out.
H
H
H
We
chose
the
kind
of
the
super
graphic
idea
there.
If
you
want
to
reduce
them
in
size,
that's
fine.
We
kind
of
like
them
like
that.
We
thought
it
was
again
kind
of
a
60s
70s
super
graphic
thought.
H
H
The
landscaping
we've
completely
renovated
the
landscaping
we'll
be
slurry
coating,
the
parking
lot
to
restore
it.
We're
gonna,
restore
howard's,
little
mosaic
tiles.
Those
are
original
and
in
fact,
when
I
was
over
here,
working
and
measuring
there's
a
parking
bumper
that
says
lapham
on
it
in
the
back.
That's
still
there.
So
it's
been
there
a
long
time.
H
Howard's
been
dead
at
least
15
years
that
I
know
of
so
that's
it
we're
we're
choosing
to
paint
the
building
the
same
color
that
it's
always
been
as
far
as
I
know,
and
we're
gonna
choose
to
take
the
existing
wood,
stop
glazing
and
just
repaint
it
white
and
we're
going
to
use
an
orange
door
for
the
for
the
entry.
H
Thank
you
and
again
we
do
have
a
building
permit
for
this.
I
believe
this.
This
project
was
referred
to
the
aac
by
the
city
council
to
look
at
the
exterior
and
we're
fine
with
that.
We
enjoyed
working
on
it
cleaning
it
up,
but
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone.
We
do
have
a
building
permit.
We
did
get
a
building
permit
for
the
interior
renovation.
It
was
started
out
as
a
as
a
tenant
improvement
plan.
Only.
H
Yeah
yeah
we're
happy
that
we're
able
to
clean
it
up
and
we
have
a
client,
that's
so
willing
to
do
it,
and
so
I
think
that's
it's
all
good.
B
Great
david:
do
we
have
any
public
comments.
A
H
Excuse
me
tom,
mr
chair,
I
had
one
other
thing
to
add.
I
noticed
on
a
condition
of
approval
that
we
leave
the
that
says
we
leave.
We
are
required
to
leave
the
glass
transparent
and
in
fact
we
are
going
to
leave
the
glass
transparent,
but
our
approved
plan
shows
a
wall
behind
the
glass
on
the
dispensary
building
and
that's
for
security
reasons
and
the
idea
there
would
be.
We
would
build
a
a
gypsum
wall
board
partition
behind
the
glass
to
prevent
people
from
looking
in
to
the
dispensary,
and
that
was
a
request
of.
H
I
think
the
police
department
wanted
that
too
for
security,
so
people
can't
break
the
glass
and
just
get
in
so
that's
in
place,
but
I
think
it'll,
look!
Fine,
you'll,
just
see
that
you'll
see
the
glass
and
you'll
see
the
white
wall
behind.
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
because
I
I
think
we
had
a
condition.
B
And
jim
that's
another
conflict
with
the
city
council's
current
feeling
on
these
spaces.
They
want
to
be
able
to
see
into
the
space.
They
don't
want
to
just
see
a
blank
wall,
so
I
know
you're
dealing
with
two
different
people,
giving
you
different
thoughts,
but
maybe
planning
staff
can
help.
You
resolve
the
ultimate
issue
of
that
wall.
H
J
There
we
go
along
the
exterior
walkways,
both
in
the
front
building
and
along
the
back
building.
It
shows
some
surface
mounted
cans.
What
is
what's
the
plan
for
exterior
lighting
if
you're
not
providing
parking
lighting.
H
There
is
some
landscape
there
are.
There
are
lights
shown
on
the
landscape
plan
that
I
don't
think
the
landscape
detail
plan
is
here,
but
there
are
lights
in
the
planter
areas
and
and
around
the
trees
and
up
the
palm
trees
around
the
palm
trees.
J
So
the
cans
that
exist
are
they
staying
or
are
you
replacing
them
or.
H
B
H
They
did
not
require
that,
and
it's
not
a
real,
feasible
thing.
The
building's
only
25
feet
wide
and
that
ramp
would
be
with
the
five
feet
of
landing
at
both
ends
would
be
at
least
30
feet
long.
This
would
be
longer
than
the
building
the
ramp
would
have
to
start
in
the
driveway
area,
and
so
we
are
providing
access
from
the
from
the
ada
space
in
the
back
to
the
door
and
that's
all
level
technically
to
get
access
from
a
public
way.
H
We
would
have
to
have
a
access
along
the
driveway
along
the
west
end
of
the
building
and
around
the
corner
and
into
the
door.
That's
the
only
way
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
building
from
an
ada
standpoint
that
ramp
would
also
be
out
in
the
right
of
way.
The
the
property
line
is
at
the
edge
of
the
step.
There.
B
H
Well,
if
they
do,
they
do
and
we'll
get
a
nice
ramp
with
a
railing
and
it'll
be
lovely,
but
I'm
pretty
I'm
prepared
to
file
a
hardship.
If
I
have
to
I,
I.
B
H
And
it's
all
level
there.
The
other
thing
to
remember
too,
is
this:
sidewalk
slopes
from
west
to
east
probably
slopes
almost
two
feet
from
one
end
of
the
site
to
the
other,
you
can
see
the
number
of
steps
and
see
how.
D
H
B
H
B
F
H
H
G
Thank
you,
I
had
a
question
jim
is:
is
there
any
provision
for
lighting
the
steps
or
in
the
front
there.
H
I
guess
I
guess
I'll
be
lighted
from
the
canopy
lights
tom,
because
there
weren't
any
lights
in
the
steps.
Originally,
it's
just
the
steps
and
the
planners.
That's
all,
as
is
that's
why
it
was
built.
So
the
easy
answer
is
not
at
the
moment:
okay,.
H
We
did
show
a
railing
there
there's
an
existing
railing
there
as
well,
which
I
think
helps,
but
I
don't
think
howard
had
any
lights
in
those
steps.
B
H
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
and
alex
thank
you
for
your
help.
With
this
and
hello
david,
we
haven't
spoken
in
a
while
nice
to
see
you.
L
L
So
I
don't
see
them
on
the
plan
now,
but
if
we
could
maybe
dictate
that
some
well
lights
be
added,
particularly
where
the
palo
verde
trees
are,
I
think
he
jim
mentioned
something
about
palm
tree
uplighting
those
tend
to
be
located
pretty
far
up
the
palm
trees,
maybe
something
down
low,
like
maybe
more
well
lights
and
some
more
underplanted
specified
on
the
landscape
beds.
L
That
might
be
enough
parking
lot
lighting
for
me
and
then,
maybe
with
that
step
lighting
that
that
I
think
you
were
talking
about
tom,
maybe
there's
something
that
could
be
cut
through,
that
existing
block
wall
planter
or
something
in
that
rail
and
like,
like
you,
were
suggesting.
L
Something
like
that,
if
that's
a
concern
something
low
voltage
to
illuminate
those,
I
think,
would
be
fine,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
numbers
were
becoming
an
issue
for
anyone.
I
I
kind
of
like
the
oversized
scale
of
what's
being
proposed
there.
I
think
it's
creative
kind
of
fun
for
the
building
something
new.
L
L
G
Just
had
one
question
on
some
of
the
other
facilities:
we've
reviewed
it.
It
seemed
that
they
had
to
separate
the
trash
areas
from
let's
say
the
dispensary
or
in
the
office
area.
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
the
situation
here,
of
how
they're
going
to
manage
those
trash
cans.
K
I
I
have
one
answer:
if
that's
okay,
sure
murray,
so
part
of
our
compliance.
For
I
don't
know,
I
mean
I'm
not
the
attorney,
but
part
of
our
compliance
for
all
of
our
stores.
We
have
to
have
waste
management
like
that's
part
of
our
sop
and
so
nothing,
there's
no
cannabis
waste
that
is
put
in
the
trash.
That
would
be
able
to
be
like
the.
K
If,
let's
say
it's
a
vape
there's
a
special
hammer
that
we
have
to
have
to
crush
it
and
then
blend
it
so
that
it
ends
up
being
like
nothing.
So
there's
no
actu
all
the
waste
is
handled
based
on
on
that
part
so
and
then
like
in
in
one
of
them
they
make
us
have
locks
on
our
garbage
and
that's
fine
too,
whatever
you
guys
want.
B
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
thinking
if
there's
other
uses
in
the
back
building
sharing
that
same
area.
If
there's
a
way
to
to
separate.
K
Yeah,
the
the
spaces
in
the
back
are
quite
small,
so
realistically
the
business
going
in
there,
I
don't
know
what
it
could
be,
but
they're
very,
very
small.
Our
intention
is
right
now
just
to
repair
the
building,
because
it's
really
gotten
a
lot
of
damage
since
this
whole
process.
But
our
intention
is
to
leave
that
vacant,
and
then
you
know
if
the
manager
needs
an
extra
office
or
something
eventually,
we
could
focus
on
something
like
that.
Okay,
we
don't
have
any
intention
right
now
and
that's
not
even
part
of
our
business.
D
D
J
No,
I
think
it's
a
nice,
a
nice
renovation.
I
think
my
question
about
the
address
number
was
not
so
much
that
I
was
critical
of
it
just
that
I
wanted
to
find
out
if
there's
any
restriction
on
it.
I
think
we
also
need
to
bear
in
mind
that
we're
approving
the
signage,
the
monument
sign
as
well
that's
kind
of
been
glossed
over.
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
it
personally
and
I
think
the
comments
about
adding
light
on
the
front
steps
is
good.
J
I
think
your
comment,
tom
about
the
screening
of
the
rooftop
equipment,
should
be
something
more
creative
than
just
the
corrugated
metal
that
we
see
everywhere,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
that
these
these
surface
mounted
can
lights
in
the
canopies
are
maintained
and
operable,
especially
because
there
is
limited
lighting
in
the
parking.
I
think
the
combination
of
those
cans
and
whatever
landscape
lighting
would
be
sufficient
in
the
parking
lot.
So
that's
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
F
Comment
damn
as
far
as
that,
the
numbers
on
it
I
might
be
in
a
minority
here,
but
I
do
think
they
look
a
little
bit
large,
especially
compared
to
the
tiles
on
the
other
end
of
the
building,
and
maybe
if
they
just
came
down
a
little
bit
this.
The
letters
on
this
sign
is
on
the
monument
the
tallest
ones
are
about
21
inches,
so
maybe
if
they
came
down
from
30
inches
to
21
inches,
I
think
it
may
scale
better
for
me
personally,
but
that's
that's
my
only
comment.
G
I'll
make
a
motion
for
approval,
with
the
comments
that
the
mechanical
equipment
be
screened,
that
includes
the
parking
lot
be
repaired
and
slurried
and
the
other
staff
recommendation
of
the
storefronts
shall
remain
transparent.
B
L
D
J
And
yeah
so,
and
that
would
be
to
add
some
sort
of
lighting
on
the
front
steps.
Yes,
okay,.
F
A
Yeah,
mr
chair,
I
would
just
note
that
in
our
zoning
code
the
sign
ordinance
says
that
street
address
numbers
in
excess
of
eight
inches
in
height
are
considered
a
sign.
So,
given
that
the
size
of
those
letters
do
exceed
eight
inches,
we
would
have
to
evaluate
that
under
the
scion
ornaments.
As
a
sign.
A
It's
a
second
sign,
so
unless
the
tenant
at
the
back
you
know
didn't,
have
a
sign,
and
this
is
really
kind
of
to
serve
that
in
space.
You
know,
I
guess
we
could
allow
it
under
that.
So
so
that's
a
possibility.
F
D
D
J
J
Well,
they
look
in
the
rendering
they
look
larger
than
they
do
in
the
sign
package.
B
J
J
So
david,
that
sign
is
14.375
square
feet.
Does
that
would
that
comply
with
some
something
in
the
signage
ordinance
in
terms
of
size
and.
A
A
F
M
A
So
yeah,
and
that
might
be
another
alternative-
is
that
the
you
know
the
recommended
approval
of
this
sign
permit
and
that,
in
the
event
that
the
tenant
space
is
at
the
rear
are
occupied?
A
future
sign
program
be
submitted.
B
Sean
you
seconded
the
motion.
Would
you
accept
that
revision
to
the
motion.
D
B
B
Okay,
new
business
item
number
two
coastal
business
group
representing
a
t
wireless
for
a
conditional
use
permit
to
construct
a
wireless
communications
facility
on
the
city,
parking
garage,
the
city
parking
garage
to
mimic,
an
extension
of
elevator
towers
and
a
maximum
height
of
51
feet
located
at
235,
south
indian
canyon
drive.
May
we
have
a
staff
report.
N
N
Thank
you
chair.
Let
me
get
muted
here.
So
are
you
able
to
see
the
slide?
Yes,
okay?
So
the
proposal
before
you
today.
N
N
N
The
tower
that
is
down
next
to
the
bank,
which
you
all
looked
at
last
week,
is
the
southwest
the
equipment,
shelter
and
other
antenna
is
also
at
the
north
end
of
the
parking
structure
and
then
just
to
highlight
the
yellow
star
is
an
existing
verizon
cell
tower
that
is
going
to
be
used
as
the
guide
as
to
what
the
proposal
will
look
like
for
the
rest
of
these
new
editions.
N
So
in
your
package,
you
have
a
detailed
table
that
talks
about
the
different
heights
of
what
they're
proposing.
So
in
this
diagram
it
shows
the
the
addition
on
top
of
the
existing
elevator
shafts,
showing
the
different
heights.
So
this
one
is
looking
at
the
north
east
antenna,
so
the
proposal
is
to
be
a
maximum
height
of
the
enclosure
of
51
feet
and
this
enclosure
will
be
constructed
out
of
wood
and
will
have
a
full
covering
that
will
mimic
the
block
that
is
used
on
the
elevator
shafts
itself.
N
So
in
just
going
through
some
of
these
slides,
the
top
of
the
garage
is
25
feet
and
then
the
top
of
the
elevator
shaft,
that's
existing
is
14
foot
two
and
then
they're
adding
11
feet
on
top
of
that
to
get
the
antennas
on
the
inside
of
the
the
enclosure.
N
The
second
area
that
they're
adding
on
is
the
equipment
enclosure
which
I'm
circling
right
now
with
the
the
cursor
and
then
they're,
adding
on
top
of
it,
there's
a
deck
here
and
they're,
adding
on
top
of
it,
eight
foot
tall
panels
that
will
be
inside,
and
this
will
also
be
a
maximum
height
of
51
feet
and
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
the
zoning
code
only
allows
a
maximum
height
of
50
feet.
But,
as
you
see
when
I
get
to
my
recommendation,
we
have
a
different
recommendation
than
that.
N
N
However,
this
verizon
tower
has
the
luxury
of
being
at
the
back
of
the
building
and
not
very
visible
from
the
street,
where
the
proposed
towers
are
very
visible
and
there's
there's
no
there's
it's
hard
to
mimic
or
screen
the
view,
so
the
applicant
has
provided
some
photo
sims,
showing
the
what
the
elevator
shaft
with
the
antenna
on
top
would
look
like.
N
So
in
staff's
opinion,
it
appears
disproportionate
with
the
rest
of
the
building,
and
we've
expressed
this
with
with
18t
and
coastal
that
the
current
proposal
is
is
would
need
to
be
reevaluated.
N
However,
the
city
has
received
an
application,
and
lease
negotiations
are
underway
between
the
applicant
and
the
city
on
adding
these
towers
to
the
parking
garage.
N
So
the
city
needs
to
at
least
do
a
review
through
architectural
advisory
to
get
comments
before
we
can
move
forward
with
the
project
to
go
to
city
council
for
the
lease
agreement.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
so
this
is
the
the
proposed
elevator
shaft
addition
on
the
north
east,
which
is
a
next
to
fisherman's.
N
This
is
looking
from
the
upper
deck
to
the
elevator
shaft
on
the
indian
canyon
side,
and
then
this
slide
shows
what
the
verizon
tower
is
constructed
of
they've
added,
a
a
plastic
substance
that
looks
like
split
face
block.
You
really
can't
tell
that
it's
not
a
block,
it's
actually
a
good,
a
good
way
of
handling
that.
N
So
this
is
a
location
where
this
yellow
hatched
mark
is
of
where
the
new
mechanical
equipment
room
would
go,
and
then
the
elevator
above
the
mechanical
equipment
would
be
the
equipment
cell
tower
panels
to
get
a
sense
of
the
height.
If
you
look
at
the
elevation
drawings,
this
light
pole
is
almost
as
tall
as
where
the
top
structure
would
be
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
heights
and
then
the
back
tower
here
is
the
verizon
tower.
N
So
this
is
the
barista
side,
so
it
would
be
as
tall
as
the
verizon
tower
and
then,
once
again,
this
is
the
looking
at
the
verizon
tower
and
then
the
new
proposed
at
the
back,
the
south
west.
N
So
in
your
package,
the
the
reason
why
they're
coming
in
is
that
att
has
an
area
that
is
insufficient
in
coverage
and
they've
supplied
us
with
some
propagation
maps
that
show
when
they
add
the
tower
at
the
parking
garage,
it
will
significantly
increase
the
coverage
for
their
users
in
the
in
the
city.
N
So
to
make
a
recommendation,
staff
is
recommending
denial
as
presented
with
direction
to
revise
the
project,
and
that
would
be
to
lower
the
proposed
heights.
Let
me
go
back
to
the
simulations.
N
F
N
N
D
I
have
a
question:
are
the
tops
of
these
new
extensions?
Are
they
open
to
the
elements
or
do
they
have
a
enclosure
on
them?.
N
No
they're
they're
closed.
If
you
look
at
this,
the
ariel
you'll
see
that
they,
where
you
can't
start
they
have
a
roof.
They
have
they're
fully
enclosed
okay,.
D
So
we
don't
see
any
the
existing
portions
have
scuppers
and
drains.
We
don't
see
any
additional
parts
for
that.
N
You
mean
like
downspout
to
for
rain
or,
yes,
they
would
have
to
describe
that.
I'm
not
sure.
J
Okay,
all
right
yeah
glenn,
do
you
know
with
the
existing
elevator
shafts?
Is
there
a
parapet
and
the
roof
is,
is
lower
than
that
or
is
the
roof
right
at
the
top
at
the
14
foot,
two.
N
My
understanding
is
that
there's
no
parapet
that
the
roof
is
the
top
of
the
shaft,
that
it's
it's
a
hydraulic,
elevator
yeah
inside.
D
Okay,
one
more
question:
does
the
existing
verizon
tower
have
a
permanent
elevator?
I
mean
ladder
attached
to
the
exterior
the
existing.
N
N
Is
that
what
you're
asking
honey,
how
to
get
into
it
right.
N
D
M
Mr
chairman,
I
have
a
question
of
staff.
John,
yes
glenn,
you
did
a
good
job
on
the
math,
but
I
still
got
kind
of
lost
on
some
of
it.
Okay,
okay,
so
stat
staff
recommendation
is
246
feet.
Is
that
correct.
M
Okay
and
what
we're
we're
seeing
in,
for
instance,
the
north
east
tower
you've
got
one
really
good
shot
of
it.
I'm
looking
at
51
feet
correct.
N
But
the
the
question
is:
is
that
still
at
46
disproportionate
to
the
rest
of
the
garage?
Oh,
I
think
we
will.
B
O
Good
evening,
mr
chair
and
fellow
committee
members,
thank
you
for
allowing
myself
frank
ortega
on
behalf
of
coastal
business
group
represent
at
t
on
presenting
this
proposal
for
a
macro
facility
at
the
city
owned
property,
which
is
a
parking
structure
located
at
south
indian
canyon.
Att
is
eager
to
to
move
this
project
along
as
they
are.
O
They
have
constantly
been
noticing
the
lack
of
signal
that
is,
that
has
become
an
issue
in
this
general
area
due
to
having
minimal
cell
sites
in
this
general
area,
and
this
a
well-known
area
where
that's
heavily
populated
by
by
your
residents
and
visitors
into
palm
springs.
We
feel
that
it
would
really
impact
impact.
The
cell
phone
usage
data
usage
in
this
general
area,
based
off
of
the
large
anchor
stores
that
anchor
stores,
restaurants
and
facilities
that
you
have
located
on
each
side
of
this
proposed
structure.
O
If,
if
you
take
a
peek
at
an
aerial
view,
you
see
that
there
are
well-known
restaurants
to
the
north,
along
with
with
major
anchor
stores
and
to
the
east,
you
will
find
that
there
are
various
apartment
complexes,
along
with
churches
and
additional
restaurants
and
not
to
mention
in
the
distance.
There
is
the
air
museum
to
the
south.
We
have
a
large
shopping
mall
with
with
tenants
such
as
as
rite
aid
chase
banks,
the
various
banks
and
to
the
west.
O
We
have
an
area
that
we're
really
trying
to
focus
on
and
that's
the
palm
springs
tennis
club,
and
I
know
that
the
heights
are
of
concern
and
that's
simply
because
of
the
topography
in
this
general
area.
O
So,
as
the
presentation
pointed
out
in
our
propagation
maps
there,
there
is
really
no
coverage
in
this
zone
from
the
the
second
page
within
that
prop
is
in
that
prop
map
that
shows
this
site
without
our
proposed
location.
O
The
areas
that
are
shown
in
that
magenta
color
they're
known
as
dead
spots,
where
there's
no
coverage
at
all
the
reliable
coverage,
is
just
the
building
that
that
is
pretty
much
right
next
door
to
what
we're
trying
to
trying
to
service.
And
then,
if
you
go
down
to
the
next
slide
after
that,
it
shows
that
this
completely
covers
that
gap,
and
we
are
proposing
for
some
reliable
service
with
the
abundance
of
data
usage
that
has
spiked
within
the
last
year.
O
And
we,
this
project
has
been
ongoing
for
a
little
over
a
year
now,
and
our
initial
submittal
consisted
of
a
53
foot,
frp
extension,
and
upon
our
initial
planning
comments,
we
were
asked
to
drop
it
down
to
51
feet
to
match
the
existing
verizon
facility.
That's
at
the
same
location,
so
we
are
seeking
your
approval
to
move
forward
with
our
project
to
match
what
verizon
has
successfully
completed
at
this
location,
and
their
data
does
show
that
the
the
coverage
that
they
were
seeking
has
been
achieved.
O
So
we
are
looking
to
do
the
same
and
mimic
their
their
previously
approved
architectural
schematics
and
with
a
little
bit
of
variation
based
off
of
the
areas
that
are
left
for
us
to
use
on
that
parking
structure,
and
this
is
after
vetting
out
various
sites.
This
was
known
to
be
the
best
location,
that's
away
from
residential
areas
and
would
provide
the
best.
B
Thank
you,
mr
ortega
committee
questions
of
the
applicant.
M
Up
yeah,
it
is
am
I
can
you
hear
me
or
am
I
beaten,
the
the
coverage
is
needed.
The
deficiency
I'm
going
to
ask
some
embarrassingly
person
questions
so
just
bear
with
me.
The
deficiency
is
expressed
in
the
form
of
dropped
phone
calls
in
this
area.
Is
that
correct.
O
Drop
phone
calls
slowed
data
rates
and
you
just
mainly
dropped
calls
and
complaints
to
the
carriers.
M
Because
one
of
my
first
responses
was-
and
this
may
be
totally
unique-
or
you
know-
I
have
some
better
coverage
or
something,
but
I
have
never
lost
a
call
anywhere
in
that
area
that
we're
looking
at
it's
just
kind
of
interesting.
And
can
you
go
back
to
your?
Your
first
comment
was
that
apparently
one
of
the
real
causations
of
this
is
an
apartment
building
across
the
street
or
the
the
multi-story
hotel?
M
O
It's
the
best
western
plus
las
priestes,
okay,
three-story.
M
All
right!
Okay,
if
you
put
something
on
that
roof,
I'm
just
asking
this
for
general
understanding
purposes.
If
you
put
something
on
that
roof,
that
would
fix
everything.
O
Well,
the
aesthetics
we
would
have
to
discuss
it
with
our
engineering
team,
but
the
nature,
the
the
style
of
that
roof
would
require
a
larger,
a
larger
structure
to
conceal
our
antennas
because
of
the
diff,
the
various
slopes
that
are
on
that
building,
and
I
believe
that
my
my
predecessor
did
approach
best
western
and
they
were
not
interested.
B
F
F
F
Is
that
I've
I
have
at
t
and
I've
never
dropped
a
call
in
this
part
of
town.
O
Yeah
for
our
engineers,
the
data
that
they
they
provided
us
and
what
we
presented.
That's
what
that's
where
the
concerns
come
from
from
customer
complaints,
and
if,
if
you
do,
I
don't
know
if
the
city
has
a
map
readily
available,
but
you'll
note
that
there
are
no
to
my
knowledge,
there
are
no
a
t
sites
in
this
general
area.
O
Correct
due
to
planning
issues
or
landlords
deciding
to
back
out
based
off
of
sale
of
properties,
this
has
been
the
best
location
where
it's
least
intrusive.
It's
not
going
to
disrupt
disrupt
disturb
any
of
the
the
ongoing
operations
of
the
city.
D
J
J
Can
you
confirm
that,
on
the
proposed
towers,
the
that
go
on
top
of
the
elevator
towers
you
it
is
your
facility?
Is
it
open
roofed
or
is
it
enclosed.
O
Open
route
to
match
verizon
and
the
reasoning
for
that
is
because
of
the
heat
we
needed
to
ventilate
we
need,
and
especially
in
the
desert
area
type
of
climate.
We
really
need
some
ventilation
through
theirs
to
for
for
peak
performance
of
the
equipment.
J
And
so
for
the
one
that
sits
on
top
of
the
equipment
room,
there
is
a
hatch
in
the
roof
of
the
equipment
room
to
access
the
antennas
that
sit
above
that
and
that,
and
then
above
that
is
open.
Is
that
right,
correct
and
do
you
know
it
looks
like
there's
some
sort
of
brackets
that
these
antennas
are
mounted
on?
Do
you
know
about
where
they
are
in
terms
of
the
heights
on
the
on
the
antennas?
Are
they
at
the
bottom
middle
top?
Are
there
multiple
brackets.
O
Multiple,
it's
top
bottom
and
then
there's
cross
bracing.
That's
all
going
to
be
determined
based
off
of
our
engineering
calculations
once
we
get
to
the
building
and
safety
submittal
stage,
but
typically
it
does
involve
top
and
bottom
for
stability,
and
for
for
the
current
the
new
structural
code,
we
that's
governing
the
the
wind
load
in
this
area.
It
would
require
the
the
additional
bracing.
J
Okay
and
with
the
equipment
room,
you've
got
a
nine
foot,
six
ceiling,
height
and-
and
it
looks
like
at
least
part
of
it-
is
an
open
great-
is
that
am
I
reading
this
correctly.
O
Typically,
the
equipment
platforms
and
for
this
type
of
a
build,
is
an
open
great.
Just
you
know
to
keep
the
the
airflow
moving
through
there
as
well
to
not
enclose
it.
J
And
is
there
some
reason
you
need
nine
foot,
six
height
in
the
equipment
area.
J
Okay
and.
O
J
O
It
would
be
a
combination
it
may
require
crane.
I'd
have
to
consult
our
engineers,
but
based
off
of
the
way
that
the
cabinets
are
constructed.
Usually
they're
hoist
when
they're
roof
mounted
equipment.
They
do
hoist
them
up.
L
O
Well,
our
design
intent
was
to
not
reduce
the
number
of
parking
stalls
and,
in
essence,
reinvent
the
project,
so
we're
looking
to
to
keep
the
aesthetics
as
much
as
possible
to
the
existing
building
to
and
just
to
add
on
to
it,
but
yeah
that
would
be
the.
B
D
O
G
And
is
it
more
or
less
than
what
you
might
find
on
a
traditional
in
each
of
the
locations.
A
B
Okay
committee
members
discussion,
who
wants
to
go
first
I'll
I'll,
go
first.
I
think
it's
the
absolute
wrong
location
for
the
wrong
piece
of
equipment
to
put
it
on
a
main
thoroughfare
right
against
the
edge
of
the
garage.
It
looks
like
an
oil
well,
the
way
they
used
to
cover
up
the
oil
wells.
In
los
angeles,
I
would
think
a
better
location
would
be
over
at
the
parking
garage
where
the
regal
cinema
is
on
top
of
the
convention
center.
B
There's
got
to
be
a
number
of
spaces
in
town
where
a
big
these
these
large
elements
could
be
built
and
not
just
be
right
in
everybody's
face.
I
I
think
the
verizon
tower
that
exists,
because
it's
in
the
center
of
the
project
and
all
the
way
to
the
east
side,
you
hardly
ever
see
it
from
the
street
or
from
outside
the
project.
But
with
these
being
right
on
indian
canyon
and
baristo,
there
there's
no
way
you
can
miss
them
and
they
just
seem
so
out
of
proportion
for
the
rest
of
the
building.
M
It
kind
of
sort
of
struck
that
it
seems,
like
a
lot
of
sins,
are
sort
of
committed
in
the
well-intentioned
intent
to
to
mask
some
of
this
technical
stuff,
and
you
know
I've
kind
of
said,
my
rant
about
the
fake
palm
trees
and
whatnot,
and
you
know
if,
if
they're
going
to
do
it,
there
are
some
examples.
Few
but
they're
out
there
of
of
like
a
really
attractive
radio
tower.
I
mean
san
francisco
what
they
built
sutro
tower
in
the
early
70s,
and
it's
it's
a
landmark.
M
You
know,
arguably
in
terms
of
its
aesthetics
whether
or
not
it's
successful,
but
it's
just
kind
of
there
and
it's
it's
not
disguising
what
it
does.
So
so
that's
number
one
yes
wrong,
building
wrong
place,
a
to
z
on
this
and
then
the
the
last
thing.
I
would
kind
of
comment
on-
and
I
am
sorry
I'm
probably
on
thin
ice
here,
but
there
is
a.
M
I
think
what
we
are
experiencing
is
an
attempt
for
the
technical
delivery
to
keep
up
with
the
marketing,
and
I
go
back
to
I'm
sorry.
I've
never
lost
a
phone,
a
phone
call
anywhere
in
that
area,
and
it
just
seems
like
much
of
this-
is
driven
by
movie
streaming
and
issues
that
are
kind
of
a
much
more
intensive
use,
as
opposed
to
the
real
kind
of
deliverable.
That
is
very
important
with
respect
to
cell
phones.
So
I
would
not
support
this.
B
Thank
you,
john
sean.
L
L
As
I
look
at
the
and
now
that
we're
on
the
zoom,
we
all
have
the
benefit
of
looking
at
google
earth
while
work
or
on
this
call.
Here
I
can
it's
kind
of
easy
to
peruse
so
anyway,
the
the
argument,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
losing
calls
or
not
losing
calls
or
the
data
they've
been
able
to
perfect
or
perform
on
that.
I
feel
like
it's
bringing
my
car
to
the
shop
and
sometimes
it's
going
to
make
the
funny
sound.
Sometimes
it's
not.
I
don't
know
about
that,
and
it's
up
to
them.
L
I
don't
know,
but
it
certainly
seems
out
of
scale.
It
certainly
seems
like
something
I
wouldn't
support.
Doesn't
sound
like
staff
is
in
support
of
the
project.
I
doubt
any
of
our
colleagues
here
are
so
back
to
the
drawing
board
for
this
one.
B
Thank
you,
sean
any
other
tom
dosey
yeah.
G
I
think
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
design
of
the
parking
structure.
You
know
it.
Every
effort
was
put
into
the
design
to
give
it
a
lower
profile
and
a
more
horizontal
proportion,
and
then,
with
these
being
added
to
it.
I
I
just
don't
see
how
it
proportionately
or
scale
wise
works
with
listening
architecture.
J
No,
I
think
it's
a
not
an
appropriate
project.
I
think
the
scale
is
the
proportions
are,
are
off
and
horrible,
and
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
if
there
was
a
way
within
my
line
of
questioning.
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
if
there
was
a
way
to
reduce
at
least
the
height
of
their
screening
and
maybe
have
the
tops
of
the
antennas
project
up,
and
maybe
that
would
be
a
little
bit
more
acceptable
look,
but
I
don't
even
think
that's
possible.
J
So
I
know
it's
just
it's
too
tough
know
the
elements
are
way
out
of
proportion
for
the
building.
So
I
I
can't
be
in
support
of
it.
D
I
I
concur
with
what
has
been
said.
I
think
the
proportions
are
poor.
There
was
definitely
effort
made
in
the
initial
design
of
the
garage
to
keep
it
within
scale
of
downtown,
and
this
does
not
do
that.
D
F
B
L
B
Okay,
let's
get
into
it.
Okay
number
three
on
the
agenda
studio:
a
r
and
d
architects
on
behalf
of
edward
f,
freeman
of
pinnacle
view,
llc
for
a
major
architectural
application
to
construct
a
four
thousand
two
hundred
and
seventy
six
square
foot
single
family
residence
on
a
twenty
thousand.
Seven
hundred
and
five
square
foot
hillside
parcel
located
at
two
six
one
winter
sun
drive
zone,
esa-sp
planning,
area
4
and
that's
in
the
desert,
palisades
specific
plan.
P
The
project
site
is
located
within
the
desert,
pisces
specific
plan
area.
The
project
site,
as
shown
on
the
screen,
is
indicated
with
this
orange
color
and
that's
the
site
which
is
located
in
the
the
south
west
portion
of
the
specific
plan
area.
P
The
hillside.
Excuse
me,
the
project
site
is
a
hillside
and
its
topography
slopes
down
from
its
southwest
corner
towards
the
northeast
corner
of
the
lot,
and
these
are
the
photographic
images
that
africans
submitted,
which
were
taken
from
the
project
site
as
introduced.
It's
a
new
single
family
residence
in
a
desert
prices,
specific
plant
area,
the
size
of
the
residence
is
going
to
be
4276
square
feet
and
the
lot
size
is
at
20
705
square
feet.
P
This
project
was
reviewed
in
accordance
with
the
specific
plan
development
standards,
as
well
as
architectural
and
landscape
design
guidelines,
in
addition
to
the
city's
other
zoning
ordinance
regulations
such
as
hillside
developments,
architectural
review
and
environmental
excuse
me:
environmentally
sensitive
area,
specific
plan
zone
regulations.
P
This
is
a
proposed
site
plan
shown
on
this
plan.
The
site
is
accessible
from
the
driveway,
which
is
going
to
be
located
on
the
winter
sun
drive,
which
extends
along
the
west
property
line
towards
the
rear.
The
building
is
l-shaped
in
orientation
and
that
the
proposed
residence
is
going
to
accommodate
a
detached
poor
cabana,
as
well
as
a
infinity
edge
pool,
and
this
is
a
floor
plan
from
its
entrance
facing
the
the
west
side
yard.
P
The
residence
extends
to
excuse
me
expands
to
the
living
space,
a
kitchen,
dining
and
the
bedrooms
are
located
at
its
east,
west
and
north
ends
and
again
it's
l-shaped
property.
P
The
garage
is
located
on
the
west
side
facing
the
side
yard
and
there's
a
freestanding
pool
cabana,
and
these
are
the
innovations
of
the
proposed
reds
dance,
the
aprican
provided
this
the
red
line.
As
you
see,
this
is
a
18
foot
line
to
show.
What's
the
maximum
allowable
building
height
is
for
this
particular
property.
P
As
you
see
on
the
the
the
top
innovation,
the
part
of
the
building
will
project
slightly
above
the
the
maximum
allowable
building
envelope,
and
these
are
different,
other
elevations
west
and
the
south
again,
the
part
of
the
structure
projects
above
eight
above
the
eighteen
foot,
arable
building
envelope,
the
proposed
project
includes
a
new
landscape,
and
the
proposed
pilot
includes
acacia
mexican
and
texas
ebony
palms
cacti.
P
P
However,
a
majority
of
the
materials
that
are
proposed
for
this
project
are
not
native
plant
materials
that
are
listed
in
the
specific
plan
guidelines,
and
this
is
the
primary
innovation
of
the
residents
which
faces
norse.
As
you
can
see
here,
the
proposed
design
exhibits
a
rectangular
geometry
with
very
strong
horizontal
machine.
P
And
the
project
proposes
a
mix
of
vertical
and
horizontal
elements
to
create
an
interesting
actual
rhythm
within
the
building
to
differentiate
the
volumes
and,
as
you
see
here,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
use
unique
materials
to
accentuate
the
building
innovations,
and
these
are
the
views
of
the
the
outdoor
area.
P
The
project
proposes
a
wooden
deck
which
extends
from
the
primary
residence
to
the
detached
pool,
cabana
and
they're,
proposing
to
utilize
black
onyx
coping
tiles
for
the
pool
and,
as
you
see,
they're
proposing
to
use
a
wooden
excuse
me
the
wood
as
a
sealing
material
for
a
material
consistency
and
flexion
accentuation
of
the
building,
and
these
are
the
images
of
the
rear
of
the
property.
P
The
garage
innovation,
as
well
as
the
view
that's
taken
from
the
side,
it's
actually
east
side
and
they
move
overhead
just
to
show
what
they're
proposing
to
do
as
you've
seen
the
stuff
before
the
application
provided
a
material
board
and
they're
proposing
like
different
types
of
materials.
For
this
project.
P
P
So
the
proposed
project
is
generally
conform
to
the
design
guidelines,
development
standards
and
the
architectural
hillside
ordinance
regulations
of
the
zoning
code.
But
there
are
some
of
you.
There
are
some
issues
that
I
like
to
present.
P
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
a
part
of
the
building
wall,
particularly
a
natural
stone
wall,
which
is
going
to
be
the
accent
for
this
residence
is
going
to
project
above
the
maximum
allowable
building
height
envelope,
and
this
is
just
to
show
the
details
of
the
projection
and
the
portion
of
the
building
is
actually
going
to
project
into
the
required
setback,
and
the
image
on
the
right
side
shows
where
exactly
that
is,
and
the
image
on
the
left
shows
how
much
of
a
projection
applicant
is
proposing
for
this
project
and
the
purpose
pool
cabana
its
area
exceeds
a
150
square
feet,
and
this
is
a
limit.
P
That's
stipulated
in
the
specific
plan
and
other
minor
issues.
Just
the
location,
the
pool
barrier
enclosure
is
not
depicted
on
the
site
plan.
A
float
like
excuse
me,
a
flat
light
is
proposed
on
exterior
elevation,
which
is
prohibited
by
the
specific
guidelines
and
the
submitted
material.
Excuse
me,
the
plan
did
not
provide
details
of
apartment
over
joints,
which
is
specified
in
the
design
guidelines
and
the
land
landscape,
irrigation
plan
and
plant
pilot
consists
of
a
large
amount
of
non-native
non-native
plant
materials.
P
Since
the
staff
report
was
issued
and
posted
last
week,
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
minor
excuse
me
administrator.
My
modification
to
address
the
building
height
issue,
which
is
shown
here
and
applicant,
has
also
is
decided
to
remove
white
from
the
proposed
lighting
for
the
exterior
of
the
building
and
based
on
these
findings.
Our
staff
recommends
that
they
see
recommend
approval
to
the
planning
commission,
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
included
in
the
staff
report.
P
B
Thank
you,
noriko
questions
from
the
committee
for
staff.
F
P
Oh
sorry,
so
the
africa
is
proposing
the
building
wall
which
exceeds
the
maximum
height.
P
According
to
the
zoning
code
for
hillside
property,
slight
modifications
to
the
maximum
perimeter
of
the
building
height
is
possible
by
what's
called
the
administrative
minor
modification.
His
applications
are
proved,
the
maximum
allowable
height
will
be
30
feet.
B
P
This
language
is
actually
noted
in
the
development
standards,
as
well
as
a
design
guideline
of
the
desert
pisces
specific
plan.
So
you
do
not
find
this.
The
requirement
in
the
general
zoning
code
section,
but
it's
coming
from
the
specific
plan.
D
G
This
go
through
the
developments
hoa
review.
P
Yes,
study
according
to,
according
to
the
african,
the
project
has
been
reviewed
by
the
hoa
and
it
has
been
approved.
The
applicant
is
here
with
us
tonight
and
he
can
provide
more
detailed
information.
Okay,.
J
I
do
so
noriko
when
they
calculate
the
size
of
the
cabana,
though
it's
the
roof
area
right,
it's
not
the
floor
area.
It's
the
covered
area.
P
J
Okay,
so
all
right
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
for
you,
the
area
where
the
encroachment
of
the
mechanical
room
mechanical
space
goes
into
beyond
the
property
line.
That
is
just
open
space.
There's
no
there's,
not
another
single-family
property
right
there
there's
some
sort
of
easement.
J
I
know
that
there's
a
sort
of
a
one-lane
road
that
goes
up
along
one
side,
but
then
there's
there's
an
open
space
easement
or
something
behind.
That
is
that
right.
P
So
yes,
this
this
particular
light
backs
up
onto
an
open
space,
and
I
the
area
where
the
part
of
the
building
project
that's
actually
facing
up
a
trail.
So
it's
not
really
facing
another
property
or
anything
in
the
area,
and
I
think
the
easement
that
you
you're
referring
to
is
actually
on
the
opposite
side.
In
the
west
side
area.
J
Well
so
well,
yeah,
so
there's
as
we're
looking
at
this
image
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
there
is
a
trail
of
some
sort
and
then
and
then
the
property
goes
off
in
an
angle
and
if
I'm
looking
at
the
parcel
map,
there's
quite
a
it's
quite
a
wide
area
that
does
that
there
is
no
property
there.
It's
just
open
space,
correct,
okay,.
F
J
P
M
John
wash
yes
noriko,
it
sounds
like
an
amm,
is
a
part
of
the
package
to
address
both
the
height
issue
at
the
master
chimney,
as
well
as
the
encroachment
of
that
side
yard.
Is
that
correct.
P
To
specify
the
am
excuse
me,
administered
amount
of
modification
can
be
applied
only
to
address
the
building
height
issue
and
again,
this
property
is
in
a
specific
plan
area
and
under
the
administrative
amount
of
modification
stipulation,
the
only
the
front
yard
setback
and
the
building
height
can
be
modified
by
a
administrative,
minor
modification
application.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
news
to
me.
B
Could
they
could
they
go
to
a
more
intense
situation
where,
instead
of
asking
for
an
administrative
modification,
they
actually
ask
for
a
variance
on
the
setback.
P
Specific
findings
need
to
be
met,
such
as
the
lot
shape
lot
size
based
on
what
I
see
so
far
in
terms
of
the
size
and
dimensions.
These
are
considered
the
standard,
meaning
it
conforms
to
the
the
specific
plan
development
standards,
so
that
itself,
I
guess
I
should
say,
probably
makes
it
more
challenging
for
staff
to
recommend
the
variance.
If
that
we
can't
work
to
submit
the
application
to
the
city.
P
G
I
have
one
additional
question:
tom
noriko.
Is
there
anything
in
this
specific
plan
in
regards
to
site
or
landscape
lighting,
maximums
or
minimums.
P
Excuse
me,
the
specific
plan
does
include
the
design
guidelines
and
development
standards
for
landscape
lighting.
However,
the
language
does
not
limit
or
it
does
not
provide.
Any
information
or
regulations
pertain
to
the
quantity
of
lighting
fixtures.
E
P
So
to
answer
your
question,
design
guidelines
says
exterior
lighting
use
spangly
describe
how
light
pollution
control
is
achieved.
How
light
spillage
on
to
adjacent
side
is
avoided
for
instant
intensity
light
sources,
landscape
accent,
lighting
to
be
properly
shielded
and
baffled.
So
that's
the
language
about
the
landscape,
lighting.
B
I
Hi,
I'm
jordan
from
studio
r
d,
architects,
thanks
mariko
for
presenting
the
project
yeah,
so
we'd
like
to
explain
to
you
what
the
initial
concept
for
this
project
was
due
to
the
nature
of
the
site,
with
so
many
beautiful
views
and
undulating
topography,
the
initial
concept
was
to
have
multiple
nodes
and
pods
of
the
house,
spread
across
the
site,
with
glass
bridges
connecting
the
spaces
and
as
the
concept
evolved,
these
nodes
ended
up
getting
closer
to
each
other,
but
we
still
have
defined
wings
through
the
site,
one
of
which
became
the
gabbana,
and
this
stone
blade
wall
connects
and
ties
the
structure
through
the
site.
I
So
that
was
the
initial
concept.
There
are
a
few
key
defining
features
as
well.
I
I
It
also
is
a
header
that
goes
above
the
full
and
kind
of
creates
an
interior
space
of
this
yard.
Without
framing
the
view,
and
also
providing
a
little
bit
of
shelter
and
shade
for
the
gabana,
it
also
functions
as
a
chimney
at
the
gabana
for
an
outdoor,
fireplace.
I
So
the
material
palette
we
went
for
very
natural,
looking
materials.
If
you
could
show
that
noriko
on
the
screen,
the
material
board,
our
palette
is
quite
soft,
then
the
stone
we've
chosen,
mimics,
the
the
tones
that
are
in
the
natural
boulders
we've
gone
for
a
sand,
finished
concrete
on
all
the
flat
work
and
exposed
aggregate
on
the
driveway.
That
has
a
warm
tone
to
it
and
then
we've
gone
for
like
dark
bronze
metal
features
such
for
the
the
fascias
and
the
eaves
and
the
glazing
and
yeah.
I
So
those
are
the
materials
the
gabana.
I
That
is
what
we're
considering
an
open
trellis.
It
doesn't
have
a
solid
roof.
We're
planning
on
having
olive
branches
between
the
metal,
wide
flange
beams
that
are
surrounding
the
shabana,
and
this
provides
some
shade
without
actually
it
being
a
very
heavy
solid
structure
and
that
had
has
been
approved
by
the
hoa
so
yeah
at
the
cabanas
that
again,
that
blade
wall
there,
where
we're
exceeding
the
maximum
building
height,
that's
the
chimney.
I
I
don't
know
if
noriko,
if
you
could
show
that
that
this
view
here
due
to
the
nature
of
the
site
with
the
topography,
it
was
really
hard
to
get
this
blade
wall
to
conform
to
the
underneath,
the
18
foot
high
maximum
allowable
envelope
throughout
the
whole
site,
because
the
topography
in
this
corner
of
the
site
drops
about
seven
feet.
So
it
was.
I
It
was
hard
for
us
to
to
make
this
part
of
the
wall
conform,
and
that
is
why
we've
added
this
diagram
to
showing
what
part
of
the
wall
is
penetrating
this
again
that
corner
there
is
purely
an
architectural
projection
and
a
chimney
so
yeah
moving
on
to
the
architectural
projection
at
the
master
bedroom
this
area.
I
Here
we
we
consider
it
like
a
bookend
to
the
structure,
it
defines
and
grounds
the
master
bedroom
and
it
provides
shade
from
the
western
sun
to
the
master
bedroom,
and
it
also
provides
a
little
bit
of
privacy
from
pedestrians
on
the
hiking
trail
that
are
walking
down.
It
blocks
their
view
of
into
the
master
bedroom
a
little
bit,
and
we
just
think
it
ties
the
structure
together.
I
There
is
no
hvac
equipment
within
that
space,
it's
all
located
within
our
setback
and
it's
purely
an
architectural
element.
So
yeah
that
is
that's
about
it.
The
the
pool
is
probably
one
of
the
other
big
design
elements
of
this
it.
It
runs
east
west
through
the
yard,
and
it
also
as
well
as
the
blade
wallet
it's
if
you
could
show
the
interior
renderings
of
the
yard
yeah
these
ones
here.
I
So
here
you
can
see
that
we've
got
a
north-south
blade
wall
and
an
east-west
pool
and
water
feature.
What
this
does
is
it
kind
of
creates
outdoor
rooms
within
our
landscape
and
we've
got
sections
of
landscaping
within
breaking
up
these
nodes.
We've
got
elements,
parts
of
flatwork
that
are
under
eaves
for
outdoor
living
spaces.
I
E
A
I
haven't
had
any
requests,
but
we
certainly
can
open
it
up
to
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak.
B
I
think
we
can
move
ahead
with
committee
discussion
or
not
excuse
me
discussion
committee
questions
for
the
applicant.
G
I
have
a
question
sure
on
the
site
plan:
it
shows
a
proposed
trash
enclosure
out
towards
the
street,
and
I
have
my
question
is:
what
is
the
material
of
the
wall
that
surrounds
the
trash
enclosure.
I
Yeah
it's
so
it's
a
bit
of
background.
We
initially
designed
that
towards
the
end
of
the
driveway,
and
it
was
not
within
50
feet
of
the
street.
So
we
came
up
with
this
location
here,
because
it
kind
of
acts
as
a
front
feature.
It's
smooth
stucco
to
match
the
house
and
it
has
core
10
steel
gates
on
the
the
inside
facing
the
property.
G
I
Yes,
yes,
we
can't
even
add
a
folder
within
that
space.
D
G
D
B
F
I
I
For
it
yet,
but
what
we're
planning
on
doing
is
using
as
many
natural
boulders
as
we
can
surrounding
the
pool,
and
then
we
will
design
build
structures
between
them
blocking
and
creating.
I
No,
so
that's
the
good
pickup,
so
the
way
the
topography
works
is
the
the
north
west
of
the
site,
which
is
the
corner
that
has
the
kitchen
and
the
garage
that
portion
of
the
site
is
substantially
higher
than
the
southwest
and
the
the
south
all
of
the
east
and
the
south.
I
B
I
B
I
There
and
when
it's
all
open,
which
there's
a
fixed
panel
on
the
end,
so
there'll
only
be
one
panel
that
is
open.
That
you'll
see
this
curve
and
the
side
of
the
steps
which
we've
designed
and
detailed
as
a
feature.
B
Okay
and
then
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
the
drawing
here
at
bath
number
two
in
that
courtyard
up
between
the
bath
and
the
street.
It
looks
like
there's
some
operable
louvered
doors
and
I
couldn't
see
on
the
elevations
that
it
called
out
what
the
material
is
and
I'm
also
wondering
how
do
those
louvers
operate.
I
Yeah
those
are
going
to
be
a
woven,
corten,
steel
louver,
which
are
in
the
renderings.
If
noriko,
you
could
show
those.
I
B
Okay
and
then
up
on
the
roof,
you
have
a
big
mechanical
chase
that
goes
from
the
mechanical
room
at
the
garage
across
the
garage
and
then
down
the
length
of
the
house.
Can
you
describe
what
that
is
built
from?
Are
the
sides
of
it
plaster?
I
know
your
roof
is
a
is
a
membrane
there's
a
membrane
on
top
of
that
little
mechanical
chase?
How?
How
does
that
work.
I
Uh-Huh,
just
as
a
quick
backstory,
we
have
been
preparing
for
a
building
submittal
on
this,
so
we
were
just
going
through
our
title.
24
and
we've
actually
reduced
that
dog
house
hvac
component
over
the
garage.
I
I
B
Okay,
other
committee
members
questions
for
the.
J
Applicant,
I
have
just
a
quick
so
outside
the
mass
mechanical
room,
I'm
sorry
yeah
outside
the
master
bedroom,
where
the
mechanical
room
or
it's
not
really
a
room
now
extends
into
the
side
yard.
J
So
it's
to
the
left
of
the
master
bedroom
between.
J
What's
you're,
let
me
just
see
what
drawing
it
looks
like
it's
drawn
in
wood.
J
I
Yes,
it's
a
one
foot
six
hive
wooden
bench
that
it's
kind
of
a
curve
as
well.
It
also
the
the
goal
of
that
is
also
because
the
the
trail
is
about
12
feet
below
this.
It's
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
privacy
to
clients
that
might
might
be
in
bed.
Looking
up
from
that
trail,
they
might,
they
won't
see
the
bed
and
the
furniture
if
their
curtains
are
open.
So
it's
a
dual
purpose.
F
M
I
think
I'm
all
right,
but
maybe
I
need
refreshment
as
I
look
at
the
staff
recommendations,
the
eight
of
them,
what
what
has
dropped
out
number
one,
the
height,
perhaps
right.
Okay
and
that's
it-
is
that
right.
B
J
D
Okay,
while
we're
looking
well
we're
looking
at
the
list,
number
eight,
do
you
have
any
you've
been
presented
with
this?
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
what
how
you're
going
to
address
number
eight
increasing
the
native
plants
in
the
palette
or
reducing
the
number
of
non-native.
I
Yeah,
so
what
we've
done
with
the
landscape?
Is:
we've
used
mostly
native
plants
around
the
public
right
of
way,
and
we
did
use
some
more
ornamental
plants
in
the
private
spaces,
those
of
which
we
can
supplement
with
natural,
the
native
plants
to
comply.
I
G
I'll
I'll
start
with
something
I
I
have
a
concern
about
the
quantity
of
landscape
lights.
I
I
guess
we
could
put
it
back,
I
mean
if
their
hoa
committee
approved.
You
know
the
plant
pallet
and
the
lights,
then
that
maybe
it's
not
a
concern,
but
I
think
there's
a
total
of
79
lights
in
the
landscape
areas,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
some
concern
about
trying
to
keep
these
hillside
areas,
not
as
brightly
lit,
as
we
may
see
down
on
the
valley
floor.
G
B
B
B
Okay,
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
it's
a
great
project
and
I
really
think
the
height
issue
is
easily
approved.
I
think
jordan's
comment
that
really
is
the
chimney
and
chimneys
are
allowed
above
height
limits,
but
also
on
a
hillside
lot.
Part
of
the
reason
we're
here
is
that
they
do
have
quirks
and
things
where
they
need
little
variances
like
this.
B
I
would
also
like
to
hope
I
mean
I
can
totally
appreciate
the
overhang
at
the
master
bedroom
and
the
way
it
wraps
from
the
front
of
the
bedroom
to
the
back
and
that
area
that
intrudes
into
the
setback
is
totally
unusable.
Space.
It's
just
an
architectural
element
in
many
cities
that
I
work
in
architectural
elements
that
don't
add
usable
space
to
the
building
can
be
built
into
the
setback.
B
So
I
hope
the
team
can
be
creative
and
think
of
some
ways
that
maybe
that
can
be
approved
because
that's
a
pretty
strong
element
of
the
project
and
as
I
think
it
was
robert
pointed
out
it
just
about
open
space.
So
it's
not
and
because
there's
no
property
line
wall,
nobody
will
ever
know
how
close
that
is
to
the
property
line.
So
I
hope
maybe
these
comments
can
help
the
staff
justify
approving
that.
B
D
J
G
B
G
We
tom
joseph,
could
we
comment
that
the
landscape
lighting.
B
P
This
is
a
sign
program.
Application
that's
proposed
for
a
multi-frontage
property
which
extends
from
north
palm
canyon
to
indian
canyon
drive
in
uptown
area
in
afghan
area,
and
this
is
this
image-
shows
the
the
facade
of
the
building
facing
north
slam.
Canyon
drive
the
subject:
building
is
a
two-story
multi-tenant
building
which
accommodates
a
different
types
of
uses.
P
The
buildings
are
going
to
accommodate
co-working
office,
spaces,
retail
spaces
and
a
cafe
on
the
first
level
and
on
the
second
floor
there
will
be
the
office
spaces
common
space
as
well
as
a
rooftop
balcony
and
just
to
show
the
interior
component
of
the
building.
Here.
P
P
P
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
us
13
signs
as
a
part
of
this
application,
and
this
is
just
to
show
the
location
of
the
proposed
signage.
The
purpose
signs
include
the
freestanding
signs,
wall
signs
and
the
blade
signs
and
I'm
gonna
go
over
the
details.
A
little
bit
for
no
spam.
Can
you
inside
the
freestanding
signs
applicant,
has
submitted
a
two
design
options.
One
includes
a
building
name
and
the
other
one
includes
attendant
names.
P
Only
the
construction
of
the
proposed
freestanding
sign
includes
a
black
painted
aluminum
tubing
and
aluminum
the
oxygen
aluminum
panels,
which
are
going
to
be
finished
in
according
steel
appearance
and
the
lettering
for
the
individual
tenor
will
be
a
vinyl.
The
thickness
of
the
sign
is
approximately
five
and
a
half
inches,
and
the
height
of
the
freestanding
side
will
vary
depending
on
which
design
option.
P
The
city
approves
it's
going
to
be
either
84
inches
or
92
inches
and
for
the
no
spam
canyon
driver
frontage.
There
are
four
wall
signs
being
proposed,
and
this
is
just
to
show
where
the
sign
installation
location
will
be
and
for
the
south
elevation
of
the
building,
which
faces
a
courtyard,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
blade
signs.
There
will
be
four
blade
signs.
P
The
construction
will
be
will
include
a
painted
aluminum
bracket,
which
is
going
to
be
attached
to
the
aluminum
sign
backing
which
is
going
to
be
painted
to
mimic
according
steel
and
academic
sign
panels
can
be
affixed
to
the
the
the
metal
backing
and
the
the
tenant
name
will
be
vinyl
lettering,
and
this
is
just
to
show
the
installation
location
of
the
blade
signs
for
the
north
indian
canyon
drive
front.
East
african
is
proposing
an
additional
freestanding
sign,
which
is
going
to
accommodate
the
tenant
names
and
for
building
innovations.
P
There
are
three
wall
signs
proposed,
and
these
are
the
installation
locations
or
the
proposed
signs
based
on
what's
submitted
and
the
observation
that
the
staff
made.
This
application
proposes
an
installation
with
13
signs
and
the
amount
of
signage.
P
That's
been
proposed
exceeds
the
quantity
of
signage,
that's
found
on
other
similar
multi-tenant
properties
in
the
upton
area,
on
north
palm
canyon,
drive,
and
also
the
proposal
includes
a
freestanding
sign
which
does
not
really
display
that
the
building
name
based
on
the
the
language
in
the
zoning
code
freestyling
size
are
intended
to
apply
merity
to
intended
to
display
a
building
names
and
the
tenant
name
is
rather
secondary.
P
So
there's
a
question
of
whether
this
application
meets
the
intent
of
the
zoning
code
or
not
and
then
also
based
on
the
site
plan.
That's
included
in
the
program.
The
free
standings
will
project
into
the
right
of
way,
and
staff
also
finds
that
the
one
of
the
proposed
wall
signs
on
the
north
palm
canyon,
innovation
appears
architecturally
incompatible,
and
the
design
program
also
includes
signage
that
are
not
really
consistent
with
the
the
intent
of
the
zoning
code.
P
So
to
address
these
issues,
the
staff
is
recommending
the
one
of
the
following
actions
to
be
taken.
One
option
is
to
remove
the
tenant
names
from
the
proposed
freestanding
signs
to
identify
the
building
name
only
and
install
wall
signs
which
identify
the
tenant
names
and
allow
the
great
signs
as
a
proposed
or
the
free
signs.
P
Three
signs
to
be
modified
to
identify
the
building
name
and
the
tenant
names
with
the
maximum
arrival
area
as
permitted
by
the
zoning
code,
however,
omit
the
proposed
wall
signs
on
both
building
innovations
from
the
program
and
allow
the
blade
sign
this
will.
The
intent
of
this
particular
the
recommended
condition,
is
to
address
the
signage
quantity
issue
and
then
also
the
staff
is
recommending.
P
That's
been
proposed
and
then
also
staff
finds
that
the
sign
3.1,
which
is
the
proposed
sign
on
the
the
canopy
structure
facing
northbound
canyon,
to
be
eliminated
from
the
sign
program,
because
the
element
is
not
character,
defining
feature
and
the
staff
finds
that
by
installing
a
signage
on
its
fascia,
it
will
actually
weaken
the
overall
design
of
the
building
and,
finally,
staff
recommends
a
few
signs
that
are
included
which
size
does
not
fully
conform
to
the
zoning
to
be
reduced,
so
that
they'll
be
in
conformance
with
the
axoning
regulations.
P
The
applicant
is
excusing
sorry,
so,
based
on
the
staff
analysis,
staff
recommends
that
the
aacs
recommend
approval
to
the
planning
commission,
subject
to
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
included
in
the
staff
report.
And
this
start
this
concludes
our
staff,
presentation
and
applicant
is
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
noriko.
Does
the
committee
have
any
questions
of
staff.
M
Mr
chairman,
I
do
yes,
john
noriko.
If
all
of
the
conditions
were
abided
by
in
terms
of
design
changes,
reduction
of
sign,
number
sign
sizes,
it
would
be
in
full
compliance
with
the
signed
ordinance.
Is
that
correct.
J
But
chair
yeah,
I
have
a
question
nordico
on
the
on
the
monument
signs
on
both
palm
canyon
and
indian
that
are
being
proposed.
You
say
that
they
are
they
project
into
the
public
right
of
way.
So
what
is
in
the
commercial
district?
What
is
that
setback
because,
based
on
their
diagram,
it
shows
that
it's
behind?
J
Well,
it's
behind
the
property
line,
so
on
commercial
properties?
Is
it
you're
not
allowed
to
have
signs
on
the
property
line.
P
Well,
this
property
is
very
unique.
It's
it's!
It's
very
difficult
to
see
by
this
property
includes,
what's
called
a
lot,
a
and
lot
b,
it's
a
strip
of
land,
it's
only
five
feet
in
the
west,
but
it's
located
on
both
the
prime
canyon
drive
and
indian
canyon
drive.
So
if
you
look
at
this
diagram,
sorry,
let
me
just
enlarge
it.
The
site,
1.1,
you
see
on
the
north
palm
canyon
drive
frontage.
P
That
is
actually
the
area.
That's
been
dedicated
to
the
city.
So,
even
though
it's
behind
the
the
decorative
block
wall,
the
area
actually
belongs
to
the
city,
at
least
a
portion
of
it.
D
P
For
the
indian
canyon
drive
frontage,
as
you
see
the
sign
slightly
projects
into
the
public
right
away
as
well,
and-
and
I
understand
that
you
know
sometimes
it's
very
difficult
to
prepare
a
very
precise
drawing
when
there
are
you
know,
dedications
and
just
a
lot
of
elements
and
aprican
can
clarify
where
he's
exactly
going,
but
based
on.
What's
shown
here
on
the
side
plan
of
both
signs
projecting
to
the
public
guide
away.
J
I'm
sorry
I
I
missed
one
question
in
your
analysis:
you
on
3.1
sign
3.1,
which
is
a
building
id
sign,
and
that
is
the
one.
That's
on
I'm
sorry,
that's
the
one
over
the
entrance
on
palm
canyon.
In
your
remarks
you
say
the
intent
to
identify
the
building
name
and
that
does
not
conform.
P
C
This
is
john
cross,
the
best
signs
and
yeah.
Thank
you,
noriko
for
for
running
down
the
proposed
sign
program.
C
You
know,
we've
been
here
many
times
talking
about
sign
programs
and
it's
it's
always
challenging
putting
something
in
place
that
you
know
not
for
today,
but
for
20
years
from
now,
and
especially
when
you
know
it's
a
mixed
use,
don't
know
if
there's
going
to
be
two
businesses
upstairs
or
three
businesses
or
five,
but
the
goal
from
the
owner
was
to
you
know,
have
a
clean,
looking
design,
something
contemporary
modern
that
that
matched
the
building
and
as
far
as
the
design
aspect,
you
know
that
basically
comes
into
place
with
the
freestanding
signs
and
the
blade
signs
which
which
are
are
fixed,
whereas
the
individual
attendant
signs
will
be
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
C
You
know
I
I
got
the
plan
from
city
upon
city
of
palm
springs
engineering
and
I
measured
you
know
the
50
feet
myself
and,
and
so
what's
shown
in
the
photos
is
accurate.
As
far
as
placement,
it's
a
little.
I
can
see
where
it'd
be
a
little
confusing
on
the
site
map.
C
It
looks
like
our
arrow
is
kind
of
pointing
in
between
that
that
five
foot
area
that
noriko
was
talking
about,
but
if
there
is
an
issue
with
with
it
being
in
the
right
of
way,
you
know
we
would
definitely
you
know,
take
whatever
steps
for
encroachment
or
move
it
in
if
we
can,
but
I
think
the
the
visual
photo
you
know
showing
the
freestanding
signs
is-
is
accurate
to
the
to
the
property
line.
C
C
You
know
it's
it's
going
to
be
how
you
know
someone
says:
hey
I,
you
know
my
business
is
over
at
planner
exchange,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
get
that
on
there
and
the
freestanding
signs
themselves
are
really
aside
from
the
blade
signs.
The
only
allowance
for
signage
that
those
first
floor
retail
tenant
businesses
will
have
so
I
mean
we
could
take
the
flannery
option
that
has
the
you
know,
has
the
logo
at
the
top
and
reduce
it.
C
You
know
an
additional
three
square
feet,
but
you're
really
making
those
panels
smaller
and
smaller,
and
it
may
not
be
an
issue
on
the
palm
canyon
side,
where
you
know
you
might
have
solar
traffic
or
people
walking
by
on
the
indian
side.
However,
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
important,
I
mean
once
you
get
smaller
than
that,
you
know
nine
inch
threshold.
I
just
I
don't
know
if
it
serves
a
purpose.
C
I
don't
know
if
too
many
people
will
see
it
so
other
than
that
I
mean
as
far
as
the
incompatibility
of
3.1
you
know
I'm.
I
definitely
not
opposed
to
removing
that
sign
type,
especially
if
we
can
keep
you
know
the
flannery
exchange
logo
on
the
directory.
C
It
may
be
difficult
to
tell,
but
that's
you
know
that
sits
right
underneath
that
beam.
So
if
we
could
get
flannery
exchange
logo
on
the
freestanding
sign,
I
don't.
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
overkill
to
have
the
sign
above
it
with
the
logo,
but
we're
okay
with
with
removing
that.
C
And
yeah
other
than
that,
there's
just
open
to
any
questions
or
comments.
You
guys
have.
F
C
No,
it
yeah,
it
is
on
a
it
is
on
the
curve.
You
can
see
there
yeah
it's
up
2.2,
so
the
the
sign
would
would
follow
the
occur.
It
wouldn't
be
a
panel
of
the
individual
letters,
so
it
would
follow
the
curve
of
the
building.
C
K
M
Yeah,
sorry,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
the
the
tenant
sign
and
then
the
tenant
name
of
building
sign
that
where
we
had
the
lady
walking
her
beagle
side
by
side,
can
we
go
back
there?
Okay,
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
there's
a
choice
that
you're,
given
you
you,
you
can't
have
both
the
building
identified,
as
well
as
the
individual
tenants
right.
C
Well,
my
my
understanding
and
noriko
can
can
correct
me
is
that
the
the
staff
would
prefer
to
have
the
logo
on
there
and
and
does
not
want
just
a
freestanding
sign
which
is
tenant
panels
which,
which
I.
C
Yes,
but
the,
but
the
I
think
the
issue
is
that
we
were
trying
to
get
an
extra
three
square
feet
there,
because
it's
restricted
to
20
square
feet,
including
the
logo,
which
I
think
will
make
those
panels,
maybe
too
small.
C
C
Typically,
that
would
give
you
you
know
half
the
size
of
the
lettering,
so
you're
talking
about
a
four
inch
letter
for
a
business
name
as
people
drive
on
indian
may
not
work.
P
That's
correct,
so
john,
the
applicant
did
propose
just
two
different
design
design
options.
According
to
the
language
in
the
zoning
code,
the
freestanding
sign
is
its
primary
intent
is
to
display
the
building
name,
so
the
tenant
names
is
optional.
M
P
And
then
you
know
just
to
address
the
this:
the
sign
area
issues
so
the
zoning
code.
The
way
it's
written
is
very
confusing,
but
the
code
says.
P
If
the
signage
includes
a
tenant
name,
it
can
actually
exceed
a
20
square
feet
and
the
maximum
level
sign
area
is
going
to
be
determined
by
the
front
edge.
But
if
you're
only
going
to
put
the
building
name,
the
maximum
square
footage-
that's
permitted
by
this
code
is
20
square
feet.
So,
what's
being
proposed
here,
option
a
is
fine
in
terms
of
sign
area.
M
A
Okay,
I
think
mr
chair
just
to
clarify
in
our
ordinance.
I
think
the
intent
is
you're.
You
get
a
20
square
foot
sign
to
identify
the
complex
in
the
event
you
want
to
have
your
tenants
identified
on
that
sign.
Then
you
use
the
frontage
formula
that
we
talked
about
earlier
earlier,
where
you
get
one
lineal
square,
foot
of
sign
or
one
square
foot
of
sign
per
lineal
foot
of
frontage
that
you
have
facing
the
street.
A
In
this
case
they
do
have
both
the
complex
identification
name
on
the
option,
a
as
well
as
the
the
tenant
identification
names
on
option
a2.
A
So
realistically
that
would
mean
that
you're
not
including
additional
tenant
names
on
the
building.
So
when
you
look
at
staff's
recommendation,
that's
why
we
suggested
either
either
have
the
freestanding
signs,
identify
the
complex
and
not
have
the
tenant
names
or
you
keep
keep
the
tenant
names
on
the
freestanding
signs
and
then
remove
the
main
sign
the
tenant
signs
from
the
building.
A
So
you
kind
of
have
either
or
option
you
can
have
a
larger
sign
if
you
don't
have
the
main
signs
for
tenants
on
the
building
for
the
freestanding
sign,
but
in
the
event
that
you
have
tenant
names
on
your
freestanding
sign,
they
shouldn't
be
on
the
building
because
you
get
one.
You
know
your
formula
is
still
the
same.
You
get
one
square
foot
of
sign
for
lining
up
for
the
front
edge
and
it
just
comes
down
to
whether
or
not
you're
identifying
the
complex,
tenant
and
tenants
as
well.
C
David
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
I
think
this
spirit
of
what
what
was
written
there
was
that
you
don't
have
a
proliferation
of
building
signage,
and
then
you
get
the
same
name
on
the
directory.
You
know
you
kind
of
like
doubling
up
signage.
C
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
every
name
every
tenant
name
listed
on
this
directory
will
not
have
their
name
on
the
building.
This
is
this
is
essentially
all
they
get.
These
are
dedicated
for
the
first
floor,
retail,
so
any
other
common
area
work
share.
Spaces
will
not
be
allowed
on
this
freestanding
sign.
B
A
Well,
so
I
think
what
the
mr
cross
is
indicating
is
that
each
tenant
name
would
be
different
due
to
the
number
of
tenants
that
apparently
occupy
the
space,
so
essentially
what
how
how
we
determine
first,
I
think
it's
important
to
know
how
the
city
determines
the
total
square
footage
that
a
property
is
permitted.
A
This
is
about
a
95
foot
wide
building
facing
palm
canyon,
so
the
most
area
that
we
would
allow
is
essentially
95
square
feet,
canyon
and
probably
the
similar
number
on
backing
on
indian
and
so
whether
or
not
that
total
area
is
being
used,
I'm
not
sure
of,
but
that
doesn't
change
that
you
know
it's.
A
You
know,
typically,
what
we
allow
is
one
main
sign
for
tenant
and
because
this
is
a
unique
situation
where
you
have
multiple
tenants
occupying
the
same
space,
it
seems
like
they're
looking
to
get
tenant
signs
for
all
of
the
people
who
work
in
the
co
work.
Space.
A
So
this
is
a
again
it's
kind
of
a
unique
situation
where
you've
got
multiple
people
occupying
a
similar
space,
so
the
same
space,
and
so
generally,
what
we've
seen
is
historically,
usually
it's
the
landmark
who
determines
what
what
tenants
get
kind
of
primary
identification
on
street
frontage
and
then
that
from
there
they
decide.
A
B
So
what
I
would
like
to
see
and
propose
is
that
the
option-
a
that
has
the
logo
at
the
top
with
the
six
tenant
signs
below
it
would
be
a
sign
that's
on
indian
avenue
and
on
palm
canyon.
But
then
there's
signs,
2.1,
2.2,
2.3,
2.4,
2.5,
3.1
and
3.2
that
are
all
signs
on
the
building
would
be
eliminated
from
this
signage
program,
because
those
are
just
repeating
the
tenant
names
and
repeating
the
name
flannery
exchange.
B
And
I
think,
as
far
as
the
encroachment,
the
one
on
palm
canyon,
you
can
see
the
building
to
the
north
of
it.
The
building
is
actually
built
over
the
property
line.
So
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
sign,
because
I
know
you
have
to
go
through
engineering
to
get
an
encroachment
permit.
The
one
on
indian
avenue
is
in
a
planted
area
and
I
think
it
could
easily
be
moved
onto
the
property,
the
one
or
two
feet
that
it's
encroaching
so
that
it
would
not
be
an
encroaching
sign.
G
J
Well,
the
odd
thing
about
the
blade
signs
is
they
don't
necessarily
relate
to
anything
and
to
the
businesses.
You
know.
Normally,
you
have
a
blade
sign
and
it's
related
to
a
business
entrance,
but
here
you've
got
you
know,
maybe
three
retail
spaces
depending
on
the
restaurant
you
know
facing
there.
I
I
don't
know
it's
it's
a
very
it's
a
very
challenging
building
for
to
do
signage.
J
I
I
like
the
look
of
the
blade
signs,
but
I
just
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
if
they're
not
related
to
a
building
entrance
to
a
business
entrance
and
then
what
do
you
do
about
all
the
second
floor?
Businesses.
D
All
right
well.
G
D
J
So
the
restaurant
has
no
billing.
If
there
are
six
retail
businesses
there.
B
C
F
B
B
C
I
I
would
have
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
owner,
but
I
can
almost
guarantee
because
it
was,
there
was
options
provided
by
the
city.
It
was
a
either
or
and
that's
either
remove
the
freestanding
and
keep
the
building
signage
or
you
know,
keep
the
building
signs
get
rid
of
the
freestanding,
and
I
I
would
imagine
that
the
the
tenants
who
occupied
the
work
share
spaces
would
have.
C
Much
more
priority
to
to
signage
that
the
owner
would
want
to
give
them
an
allowance
over.
You
know
seasonal
retail
pop-ups
inside
on
the
first
floor.
So
I
would
imagine
if,
if
it
came
down
to
you
know
a
choice
between
freestanding
signs
or
building
signage,
I
would
I
would
think
it
would
be
building
signage,
but
you
know
I
I
need
to
have
that
conversation
again.
The
building
signage
is
is
very
important
for
the
for
the
tenants
upstairs
to
identify
them
and
those
freestanding
signs
were
purely
just
for
retail,
first
floor
locations.
C
Okay,
if
you
six
tenant
spaces
for
the
whole
property,
you
know
on
nine
inch
panels
and
four
inch
white
vinyl
lettering.
I
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
a
easy
sell.
You
know
to
bring
tenants
in.
You
know
like
we
got
this
3
000
square
foot
area
for
you
to
work
and-
and
here's
your
you
know,
four
inch
white
vinyl
lettering.
I
I
don't
see
that
as
marketable
but
again
I'll
have
to
have
the
conversation
so.
M
M
No,
mr
chairman,
I
might
my
question:
is
it
just
I?
I
have
this
gut
sense
that
this
is
the
type
of
thing.
Can
we
continue
it,
and
I
say
that,
with
with
an
eye
toward
of
mr
cross
being
able
to
check
in
with
his
client
and
there's
a
lot
that
has
been
discussed
here.
That
needs
clarification
from
the
sign
ordinance
standpoint.
It
seems
it's
just
going
to
be
hard
to
bring
this
to
a
head.
B
D
B
M
G
I,
like
chairman,
jake
way's
proposal,
because
again
with
that
proposal,
it
cleans
the
building
up.
There's
so
much
going
on
here
already
and
then
to
you
know
it's
it's
losing
the
sense
of
even
architecture
with
all
these
signs
and
business
going
on.
Yes,
and
I
think
you
could
have
a
character
as
an
identification
and
then
these
are
the
tenants
inside.
B
M
Walsh
well,
mr
chair,
when
you,
when
you
said
that
I
thought
it
was
morphing
itself
into
a
emotion
actually,
but
it
it's
just
yeah!
There's
there
these
it
needs
to
be
sorted
out
and
revisited.
B
I
agree
with
member
walsh
that
it
would
probably
be
best
to
continue
this
item.
Let
the
sign
company
talk
with
the
owner
and
get
a
more
clear
idea
of
what
they
want
to
do,
but
they
know
our
thoughts
now
for
what
we're
hoping
to
see
on
the
project.
C
J
Or
or
perhaps
come
up
with
a
better
way
to
organize
it,
so
visually
yeah,
because
right
now
you
know
all
these
individual
tenant
signs
running
across
the
facades
of
the
buildings
is
just
is,
as
was
pointed
out,
is
a
detriment
to
the
building
architecture
and
if
there's
another
way
to
organize
it
and
still
meet
the
sign,
sign
guidelines
and
get
tenants
their
proper
identification.
C
And
what's
the
just
again,
so
I'm
clear
and
I
can
come
back
with
something
that
is
what
is
the
the
detriment?
Is
there
too
many
signs
or.
J
Yeah
there's
too
many
strung
along
the
whole
front
and
back
of
the
building.
D
C
But
but
we
we're
only
showing
sign
locations,
there's
not
there's
not
a
design,
it's
just
showing
locations
and
allowance
of
signage.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
when
I
you
know
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
revise
and
put
two
signs
and-
and
that's
you
know
not
not
what
you're
expecting
what
you're
wanting.
F
D
M
Oh
okay,
work
with
me
on
this.
Can
I
make
a
motion
to
continue.
D
F
B
Okay,
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
getting
through
our
agenda.
Do
we
have
any
committee
member
comments
on
just
things
in
general.
F
I
have
a
comment:
yeah
remember
the
project
that
we
did
on
monte
vista
and
they
had
the
big
white
monolith
things
weren't
supposed
to
leave
the
vegetation
that
was
there
because
I
went
by
earlier
this
weekend.
Everything's
gone
all
that
ficus
is
cut
down
to
the
ground.
The
walls
gone,
everything's
been
torn
down.
F
F
A
Yeah
I'll
have
to
look
into
that.
Remember
thompson
I
haven't.
We
did
approve
that
project.
It
wasn't
as
originally
or
previously
shown
to
you,
but
I
don't
recall
us
proving
the
removal
of
all
the
trees
and
landscape,
though
so
we
can
look
into
that
and
get
back
to
the
committee
on
that.
B
A
A
journalist
mr
chair,
I
think
director
has
some
comments
for
the
committee.
Okay,.
Q
Yes,
members
of
the
architectural
advisory
committee,
as
you
may
be
aware,
staff
has
been
directed
by
city
council
to
look
at
modifications
to
our
architectural
review
process,
with
ultimately
the
idea
being
to
improve
our
customer
service
and
shorten
the
time
frames
for
entitlements.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Looking
at
your
march
first
agenda,
we've
already
got
four
agenda
items
scheduled
for
that
meeting,
and
so
that
may
not
be
the
time
to
do
it.
What
I
might
propose
is
looking
at
your
march
15th
agenda.
We
don't
have
any
items
scheduled
for
that.
However,
I
have
a
time
frame
to
have
this
discussion.
What
I
might
propose
is
moving
our
march
15th
meeting
to
march
the
8th,
and
so
your
two
meetings
in
march
would
be
march
the
1st
and
march
the
8th,
and
then
we
wouldn't
have
any
additional
meetings
for
the
rest
of
the
month.
Q
Fine
for
me,
okay,
so
I'm
hearing
a
number
of
yeses.
So
let
me
do
this.
Let
me
just
make
sure
that
we
accommodate
that
change.
We
don't
have
any
other
agenda
items
that
are
expected
later
in
march
and
then
I
will
send
a
meeting
invite
to
you
all
with
the
new
date
so
that
we
can
have
that
discussion
so
again,.
Q
D
Q
Okay,
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
attempt
to
schedule
that
change
for
the
month
of
march
and
look
forward
to
that
discussion
with
you
and
that's
really
the
only
thing
I
have
other
than
saying,
thanks
to
chair
jacob
for
sitting
through
all
the
subcommittee
meetings
that
we've
had
and
all
your
excellent
suggestions.
So
we
appreciate
that.