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A
All
right,
so
it
is
june
15th-
and
this
is
the
june
meeting
of
the
palm
springs
sustainability
commission,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
tracy
sheldon
to
do
a
roll
call
for
us.
B
Here
sorry,
vice
chair
mccann.
B
A
All
right,
president
great,
thank
you
all
right,
and
this
is
patrick
talarico
and
tracy
sheldon
from
the
city
of
palm
springs,
and
we
have
no
members
of
the
public
at
the
moment.
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
chair
clark.
F
I
know
that's
it's
sometimes
difficult
to
be
seen
if
you
raise
your
hand,
so
if
you're
not
getting
any
response,
please
just
speak
up
after
a
few
minutes,
we'll
now
move
on
to
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda,
which
was
emailed
and
posted
on
thursday
june
10th,
any
objections
or
comments
on
on
the
agenda.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
I
did
prepare
another
update
memo
and
the
only
update
I
have
to
the
update
memo
is
that
the
leaf,
blower
enhancement,
enhanced
or
enforcement
discussion
will
not
be
on
the
june
24th
council
meeting.
We're
gonna
postpone
that
until
july.
For
a
couple
of
reasons,
one
is
that
we
are
actually
trying
to
get
some
clarification
from
the
state
about
their
incentive
program,
which
seems
to
have
stalled
so
we're
trying
to
get
some
clarification
about
the
status
of
that
program.
A
So
hopefully
we'll
get
that
this
week.
But
there
is
a
full
agenda
for
june
24th,
so
we're
going
to
push
that
off
until
july
and
then
the
only
other
staff
comment
I
have
is
that
we
wanted
to
recognize
rob
mccann.
This
is
going
to
be
his
last
meeting
as
a
commission
member,
and
so
he
is
terming
out.
A
So
we
have
his
little
certificate
here,
and
so
we
appreciate
rob's
involvement,
especially
in
the
area
of
sustained,
solid
waste
and
recycling,
as
well
as
certainly
his
recent
work
on
night
sky
and,
of
course,
the
foodware
ordinance.
So
we
appreciate
all
of
his
efforts
and
roy
any
other
things.
You
want
to
say
about
rob.
F
I
just
like
to
say
a
few
things
about
rob's
work
on
waste
reduction.
He
and
I
have
been
working
closely
since
I
joined
the
commission
a
year
after
he
did,
and
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
contributions
he's
made
is
using
his
human
factors
professional
background
from
nasa
starting
the
to
differentiate
or
the
initiative
to
differentiate
trash
and
recycling
containers.
F
That's
been
done
in
parks
and
downtown.
There's
signage
as
well.
I
think
that's
a
major
accomplishment
and
rob
has
also
been
involved
in
writing
an
ordinance
for
construction
and
demolition
debris
and
he's
also
done
a
recycling
project
pilot
project
with
desert
learning
academy.
So
a
lot
of
significant
accomplishments,
which
I'd
like
to
personally
thank
rob
for
so.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
that's
all
I
have
in
terms
of
yeah
lonnie.
A
All
right,
then,
that's
all
I
have
on
the
oh
dave
friedman.
F
C
Thank
thank
rob
and,
and
his
detective
work
on
night
sky.
I
remain
available
to
assist
on
reviewing
not
to
be
a
killjoy,
but
if
rob's
no
longer
a
commissioner,
the
committee
becomes
an
ad
hoc
committee,
so
you
need
to
brown
act
notice
that
it's
just
a
quirk
in
the
bra
and
in
the
brown
act
that
non-commissioners,
even
if
it's
ad
hoc,
become
a
public
meeting,
it's
an
exception
to
the
exception.
C
So
just
if
you
have
to
do
that,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
work
on
that
when
there's
a
memo
to
read,
I
can
review
it
and
then
also
do
you
have
any
update
is
sort
of
relevant
to
what
I'll
be
saying
later.
But
you
have
any
update
for
council
about
when
the
ghg
inventory
might
be
coming
because
it
looks
like
they
might
have
some
space
for
discussion
in
july
or
exactly.
A
I
think
probably
the
second
meeting
in
july
is
the
soonest.
We
could
do
that
so
yeah,
so
we'll
work
on
that
and
try
to
get
something
ready
for
that.
So
maybe
what
we
can
do
is
work
on
something
for
our
next
solar
green
building
committee
meeting
and
try
to
try
to
get
through
a
draft
of
whatever
we
would
present
to
council.
But
I
did
want
to
mention
with
regard
to
the
timing
of
that
solar
and
green
building
committee
meeting.
I
think
I'm
out
that
week,
yeah
yeah
so.
C
You
need
to
check
with
jim
to
see
what
his
availability
is
yeah
or
whatever,
and
then
I
can
prepare
stuff
I'll,
we'll
address
it
more
more
deeply
and
when
we
get
to
the
report,
but
thanks,
okay,
I'll
I'll.
Let.
A
You
know,
okay,
all
right,
any
other
questions
on
anything
else
in
the
update
memo.
Otherwise
we
will
move
on.
B
F
For
you,
the
next
item
is
public
comments
and
seeing
that
there
are
no
visitors,
there
will
be
no
public
comments
and
there
are
no
presentations,
no
not
to
the
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
may
18th
meeting.
They
were
posted
and
emailed
on
thursday
june
10th
as
well.
Are
there
any
comments
or
corrections
for
the
minutes.
A
Right
so,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
postponing
that
discussion
until
july
and
so
we'll
be
having
another
meeting
internally
to
talk
about
the
contents
of
the
staff
report.
So
that's
all
ready
to
go.
But
again,
one
of
the
key
things
that
we
have
been
promoting
with
regard
to
that
program
is
the
state
incentive
program
that
essentially
provided
electric
leaf
blowers
and
electric
lawn
equipment
at
deep
discounts
to
buyers
so
to
commercial
businesses,
and
that
program
seems
to
have
been
suspended,
at
least
our
local
providers.
A
The
two
that
are
closest
to
us
are
have
indicated
that
aqmd
is
not
doing
that
at
the
present
time,
so
we
have
yet
to
get
a
a
an
answer
from
them
about
the
why
that
program
was
interrupted.
It's
my
understanding
that
it
still
had
money
so
and
they
were
working
on
some
changes
to
it,
but
I
didn't
think
that
it
had
been
suspended
so
as
soon
as
we
get
some
feedback
on
that
we'll
be
able
to
go
forward
and
and
do
more
promotion
of
that.
A
C
Yeah
just
quickly,
unfortunately,
my
neighbors
continued.
The
neighbor's
gardener
continues
right.
He
was
getting
the
mail
so
I'll,
let
my
neighbor
know,
but
you
know
this
is
a
bigger.
This
remains,
unfortunately,
a
big
issue
where
gardeners
are
literally
saying:
no,
it's
not
against
the
law
and
they,
of
course,
wouldn't
allow
me
to
take
a
photo.
So
they
know
it's
against
the
law
that
I
can
send
to
my
neighbor,
but
I'll
alert
my
neighbor
there.
C
This
is
a
second
house
for
them
that
potentially,
if
the
gardener
gets
caught,
you
know
that
the
you
know
homeowner
could
potentially
be
subject
to
a
fine.
So
right.
C
I
haven't
the
gardener's
car
truck
was
unmarked,
so
I
could
not
even
sort
of
take
a
photo
of
the
truck
to
let
you
know
whether
they're
doing
that,
but
I
will
I'll
I'll
separately
email.
You
two
normally
they're
there
on
wednesdays,
but
they
happen
to
be
there
on
tuesday,
but
next
time
they're
there,
because
I
can
hear
it
literally
sitting
inside
in
my
house.
I
can
hear
the
leaf
blower
right
right.
Okay,.
E
I've
now
in
my
second
sublet
as
I've
moved
here
and
both
properties
have
regular
maintenance,
crews
and
gardeners
that
use
gas-powered
blowers
and
I
send
notes
to
the
hosts
and
let
them
know-
and
I
send
them
information
about
the
program.
But
I'm
just
curious
like
to
me.
They
seem
like
low-hanging
fruit
in
the
sense
that,
like
you,
have
a
very
structured,
you
have
a
sense
of
governance.
E
You
have
a
controlled
community
and
yet
any
time
I
bring
it
up,
just
even
the
neighbors
that
I'm
meeting
as
I'm
you
know
a
guest
here,
everyone's
kind
of
like.
Oh,
we
didn't
know
blah
blah
blah.
So
I'm
just
curious
like
I
I
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
you
haven't
already
done
very
structured
outreach
to
groups,
but
I'd
be
curious
if
there's
a
way
to
like
reinstitute
a
more
formalized
audit
program,
perhaps
like
hey
we're
just
here
to
do
a
friendly
audit
and
then
kind
of
sign
it
or
so
I'm
that's
my
question
so.
A
We
have
not
done
a
formal
audit
of
hoas,
but
they
are
usually
the
more
responsive
of
the
the
entities
that
we
work
with.
So
typically,
when
we
send
them
a
letter,
we
call
them
they're,
usually
right
on
it,
so
either
if
they're,
the
gardener
is
doing
it
without
their
knowledge
or
they
have
talked
to
their
gardener
in
the
past,
and
so
it's
sort
of
a
repeat
offender
situation.
So
so,
typically,
the
hoas
and
the
communities
that
we
work
with
are
pretty
pretty
responsive
because
they're
really
responsible
right.
A
So
they're
you.
A
That
are
employing
these
people,
so
so
they
need
to
be
really
on
top
of
it.
So
so
I
am
happy
to
follow
up
with
them.
If
you
would
like
to
send
us
a
separate
email
with
the
property
location
so
that
we
can
reach
out
to
them,
and
we
can
also
what
we
typically
do
with
code
enforcement
is
we
we
kind
of
give
them
names
of
locations
that
we
think
are
have
pretty
common
use
of
gas
leak
blowers
and,
and
they
patrol
them
a
little
more
regularly.
B
Patrick
yep,
this
might
be
something
we
could
bring
up
at
a
1ps
meeting,
because
I
know
definitively
that
rogers
ranch
group
features
all
the
condos
on
sunrise
near
viscina.
They
would
be
on
this
monday
morning.
B
A
So
I
have
made
a
few
announcements
to
1ps
in
terms
of
the
I
was
on
last
week.
I
heard
you
yeah,
so
so
it's
I
try
to
talk
to
the
code
of
code
enforcement.
A
Public
works
regularly
and
that
kind
of
thing,
so
I
think
they're
pretty
well
in
tune
to
it
and
they
have
actually
been
a
great
help
in
terms
of
disseminating
information
as
well,
so
so
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
and
again
I
think
we
I'd
like
to
get
some
clarification
on
the
state
program
too,
because
that's
a
big
part
of
helping
people
comply.
So
as
soon
as
we
get
that
clarification,
maybe
we'll
do
another
round
of
outreach,
especially
to
some
of
the
neighborhood
communities
and
that
kind
of
thing,
yeah,
bonnie.
G
So
you
know
I've.
I've
questioned
a
number
of
times
how
how
come
it
is
that
you
got
stuck
with
this
patrick,
but
a
what
I,
what
it
reminds
me
of
is
the
recycling
reminders
that
psds,
thankfully,
gives
to
the
public
on
a
regular
basis.
I
you
know
more
than
annually.
I
believe
yeah
with
flyers
with
you
know
things
not
only
on
their
website,
but
also
in
the
in
the
mail.
Do
they
do
in
the
mail
anyway,
they're
out
there
with
their
stuff.
B
G
C
G
A
Yeah
well,
and
that
does
go
to
one
of
the
first
things
I
talked
to
tracy
about
when
she
came
on
board
was
the.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
do
more
of
a
regular
newsletter
like
a
sustainability
newsletter,
because
I
think
we
have
so
much
turnover
in
the
city
with
regard
to
property
ownership
and
things
like
that
and
we've
got
so
many
issues
that
change
regularly,
that
I
feel
like
it's.
A
It
warrants
at
least
maybe
twice
a
year
message
to
folks
that
says
here's
you
know,
here's
reminders
about
certain
things
that
are
ongoing
and
then
here's
new
things
that
are
coming
up
so
so
so
we'll
work
on
that
and
get
something
out
soon
on
that,
because
I
agree,
I
think
the
need
is
is
out
there,
especially
if
we
pass
this
food
food
ware
ordinance,
that's
going
to
be
big
news
and
everybody
needs
to
know
about
that,
so
so
yeah.
So
I
think
that's,
that's
a
definitely
a
good
approach.
G
G
A
Okay,
all
right
any
other
questions,
comments
on
the
leaf,
blower
front.
A
Okay,
all
right!
So
the
next
thing
I'm
gonna
pull
up
the
ordinance
here
and
I
do
apologize.
I
had
every
intention
of
giving
you
guys
a
little
cover
memo
to
go
with
the
ordnance
changes
that
are
highlighted
here.
So
what
you
got
was
the
track
changes
version
of
the
ordinance,
and
so
what
I'll
do
today
is
just
kind
of
walk
through
it
with
you
to
give
you
some
context
about
the
changes
and
highlight
some
of
the
maybe
some
new
information
too,
that
we
just
got
in
some
conversations
with
a
representative
from
7-eleven.
A
So
I
can
share
that
with
you
too.
So
there
are
a
couple
of
definitional
changes.
We
added
a
couple
definitions
because
we
changed
the
structure
a
little
bit
in
the
ordinance
around
compostable
products,
one
of
the
things
that
we
did.
A
The
definition
of
compostable
now
mirrors
the
san
san
mateo
county
ordinance,
and
so
what
we
tried
to
do
here
was
to
kind
of
generalize
compostability,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
struggling
with
in
the
ordinance
was
there
was
references
to
paper
items
and
things
like
that
that
are
basically
by
nature
compostable
but
didn't
necessarily
meet
astm
standards
for
compostability,
but
they
also
weren't
necessarily
necessary
to
do
that.
So
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
compostable
was
a
category
and
then
certified.
A
A
So
again,
I
just
tried
to
simplify
a
couple
of
these
definitions.
We
added
natural,
fiber
and
natural
fiber
base
because
again,
that'll
come
into
play
a
little
bit
later.
I'll,
explain
that
in
it
one
of
the
big
things
we
did
was
we
had
a
discussion
last
time
about
compostable
plastic
and
we've
certainly
been
getting
more
information
about
the
lack
of
compostability
of
these
compostable
plastic
products
and
in
particular,
one
of
the
things
when
we
were
talking
to
san
mateo
is
that
they
reinforced
this
idea
that
they
don't
function
any
differently
as
litter.
A
So,
if
we're
thinking
that
they
kind
of
break
down
differently,
they
really
don't,
and
so
we
we
included
them
in
the
definition
of
plastic.
So
when
we
say
non-plastic,
we
now
mean
non-petroleum-based
plastic
as
well
as
non-biologically
based
plastics.
A
So,
basically
anything
that's
non-plastic
is
really
non-plastic,
and
this
was
after
also
a
conversation
with
this
sustain
or
the
council
subcommittee.
A
We
met
with
them
also
to
discuss
some
of
these
things
and
they
really
preferred
us
to
make
a
clear
distinction
and
just
eliminate
all
of
the
plastics
that
that
really
weren't,
biodegradable
and
fiber-based.
So
so
anyway,
so
we
changed
that
definition
and
it
also
changed
our
definition
of
compostable,
because
some
of
those
astm
references
were
references
to
the
compostability
of
plastic
products.
So
the
next
thing
is
just
a
clarification.
A
I
think
that
one
of
the
audiences
for
this
that
may
be
not
paying
attention
is
the
bars
because
a
lot
of
them
have
actually
started
to
serve
food.
What
I
did
in
the
prepared
food
vendor
definition
was
to
just
call
them
out
as
an
example
explicitly
just
so.
It
was
clear
that
they
are
in
this,
so
so
I
did
that.
That's
included
there
all
right.
So
the
rest
of
the
changes
are
are
more
subtle,
sub
substantive
changes
to
the
ordinance,
but
again
in
keeping
with
our
our
our
overall
goals
here.
A
A
So
so
it's
that
everything
that
was
in
d
is
just
basically
moved
up
to
b,
so
I
tried
to
simplify
it
there
and
then
just
saying
that
any
additional
non-reusable
items
not
listed
is
elsewhere
is
has
to
be
approved.
So
that
was
a
clarification
that
council
asked
for
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
that
list
was
exhaustive
and
I
tried
to
make
sure
that
it,
it
was
pretty
comprehensive
and
anything
else
should
be
approved
by
us.
A
So
item
c
there
I
changed
the
wording
a
little
bit
to
just
make
sure
that
the
condiments
were
in
something
that
also
was
non-plastic
for
on-site
food
and
beverage
consumption.
So
again
it
allows
for
maybe
foil
packaging
or
glass
packaging.
That
may
also
be
preferable
to
plastic.
So
I
did
that
too,
and
so
this
was
a
big
one.
A
So,
in
my
conversation
with
the
subcommittee
of
the
council,
we
talked
about
their
request
to
or
their
question
as
to
whether
or
not
we
could
make
everything,
compostable
or
recyclable
and
based
on
a
meeting
that
we
had
with
bartek
following.
I
think
it
was
last
month
they
indicated
to
us
that
they
would
be
accepting
compostable
food
ware
that
meets
astm
standards
as
well
as
food
soil
paper.
A
So
based
on
that
information
and
we're
going
to
meet
with
them
and
talk
about
that
process
a
little
bit
more,
but
it
seemed
like
we
could
move
in
the
direction
as
many
other
cities
have
moved,
which
is
to
require
is
to
require
that
food
where
disposable
food
wear
be
compostable
so
anyway.
So
we've
included
that
and
the
start
date
for
that
would
be
january.
A
G
And
I
would
like
to
know
I'm
assuming
that
you
and
he
are
working
from
actual
data
where
testing
has
been
done
and
there.
B
E
G
Four
papers,
or
at
least
where
testing
has
been
done,
could
you
please
give
us
all
a
copy
of
those
we'd
like
to?
I
would
like
to
know:
where
are
you
getting
this
information?
Okay,.
G
Majors
because
they're
gonna
be
taking
our
compostables
supposedly.
A
G
G
B
A
Right
all
right,
we'll
pull
something
together
on
that
carl.
B
A
So
it's
gonna
be
a
process,
so
a
lot
of
these
chains
are
operating
in
locations
that
have
these
ordinances
in
place.
A
lot
of
stuff
has
been
thrown
to
the
wind
during
kobit,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
the
enforcement
has
gone
by
the
wayside
in
the
last
year
year
and
a
half
so
the
I
know
that
starbucks
is
really
engaged
on.
A
This
subway
is
really
engaged
on
this,
so
so
I
think
it
really
depends
on
the
chain
and
we
did
have
a
conversation,
as
I
mentioned,
with
7-eleven,
and
they
are
on
board
and
on
track
with
this
and
really
interested
in
making
this
work.
So
so
I
think
it's
going
to
come
down
to
working
with
the
individual
chains,
but
but
they
would
definitely
be
covered
by
this,
and
so
they
would
certainly
be
part
of
the
enforcement
process.
So
thanks.
E
Yeah,
I
would
just
double
down
on
what
lonnie
was
saying
since
there's
a
lot
of
reference
to
astm
and
astm
standards
aren't
available
unless
you
buy
them.
So
there's
no
way
to
really
cross-reference
what
they're
saying
as
the
basis
for
how
they're
defining
compostability
and
it
would
it
kind
of
limits,
the
dialogue
in
terms
of
exploring.
How
might
we
imagine
how
to
do
this
in
a
way
where,
because
I
feel
like
that's,
a
current
state
versus
a
future
state
in
terms
of
like
creating
new
materials
that
have
meet
the
compostability
standards?
E
I'm
just
curious
if,
in
fact
like
even
bertek
could
provide
us
with
the
documentation
that
defines
since
it's,
I
feel
like
in
large.
What
we're
finding
is
that
vertex
kind
of
defining
what
compostability
is
or
the
san
mateo
standard,
but
they're
all
relying
on
astm
to
define
it.
But
astm
is
a
membership-based
guidance
document
organization.
So,
even
though
they
have
these
recognized
guidance
standards
unless
you're
a
member,
you
can't
access
the
standard
so
either
provide
the
standard,
that's
referenced
in
the
guidance
document,
or
so
that
we
could
review
nine.
E
A
So
let
me
see
so
I've
deleted
those
references.
A
Bpi
is
a
certifying
body
that
uses
those
things
as
their
kind
of
their
their
benchmark.
So
so
I'm
happy
to
try
to
get
that
information
and
provide
that
to
you
guys
that'd
be
great
thanks,
patrick
okay,
because
one
of
them
actually
has
to
do
with
biodegradable
plastics.
I
think
it's
a
6868,
so
I
actually
think
I
can
delete
that
one
because
I
don't
think
we
need
to,
but
but.
A
Do
with
the
biodegradability
of
the,
for
example,
the
pla
liner
in
a
cup.
So
I
think
that's
what
that
that
one's
about
got
it.
A
A
Okay,
all
right
all
right:
let's
go
back
down
here.
A
All
right
food
service,
where
I
added
stirrers
to
straws,
because
people
use
them
similarly
and
they
are
perform
a
similar
function.
So
I
included
those
again
as
similar
to
other
cities
and,
let's
see.
A
A
Person
from
outside
they
bring
their
own
stuff
in
and
it's
somehow
dirty
and
they
get
sick
and
they
can
turn
around
and
sue
the
food
vendor.
Even
though
that
I
don't
think
this
has
ever
happened.
There
were
concerns
about
that.
So
we
changed
the
requirement
to
allow
for
customer
supplied
food,
wear
to
something
that
they
should
allow,
unless
it's
somehow
soiled,
unsanitary
or
otherwise
inappropriate.
So
it
gives
them
an
out
and
a
little
bit
of
a
standard
on
when
they
should
be
accepting
it
or
not.
So
we
include
that
here.
A
All
right,
let's
see
what
else
and
then
again
as
of
january
2023
things
larger
items
such
as
plates:
bowls
cups,
clam
shells,
so
the
food
wear
items
have
to
be
certified
compostable,
and
so
these
are
the
big
things
that
will
end
up
in
the
compost
stream,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
things
are
free
of
fluorinated
carbons
and
meet
the
fluorinated
fluorocarbons
and
then
then
also
meet
the
astm
standard.
So
that's
what
that
is
for
all
right:
okay,
so
reusable
cup
beverage
cups
and
food
containers.
A
So
this
is
where
we
tried
to
simplify
the
concept
of
the
25
cents
charge
that
we
were
talking
about
before,
and
so
we
talked
about
this
at
the
last
meeting
and
we
preferred
a
more
streamlined
approach.
So
we
did
include
in
here
and
25
25
cent
cup
or
container
charge
for
disposable
cups
and
containers
and
then
a
25
cent
credit.
If
somebody
brings
in
a
reusable.
A
A
B
B
You
can
use
them
instead
of
like
a
promotional
multi-use
plastic
cup,
but
it's
a
brilliant
idea.
It's
already
in
store,
so
I'm
hoping
that
the
food
producers
and
the
distributors
pick
up
on
that
as
a
reasonably
priced
alternative
to
plastic
and
paper
cups.
It's
a
great
idea
and
it's
in
the
stores
check
it
out.
A
A
Oh,
we
lost
chicago,
so
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
mention
also
in
our
conversation
with
7-eleven,
was
that
they
were.
A
They
already
provided
an
incentive
for
people
to
bring
reusable
cups
for
their
refills,
so
they
already
give
them
a
big
discount
on
their
refills
and
it's
they
still
make
money
on
it.
So
so
anyway,
so
they
were
very
supportive
of
this
kind
of
an
approach.
So.
A
Right
right,
so
they
would
have
to
have
a
system
in
place
that
met
the
health
code
requirements
right,
so
the
lip
should
not,
and
I
think
it's
only
a
requirement
that
the
lip
of
the
cup
not
touch
the
dispensary,
so
the
the
lever
based
ones
that
have
the
lever
that
are
on
the
kind
of
towards
the
base
of
the
cup.
Those,
I
think,
are
fine
and
the
ones
where
you
push
the
top
and
you
put
your
cup
under
it.
A
I
think
those
are
fine
and
I
think
I
don't
know
tracy's
been
to
7-eleven
more
recently
than
I,
but
but
I
think
they're,
are
they
the
push
button
type
or
the
lever
type?
Do
you
remember.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
I've
been
noticing
much
more
of
the
the
push
button
or
lever
type
on
the
top.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
are
moving
in
that
direction.
B
A
A
If
you
are
on
some
sort
of
a
state
program
that
you
didn't
have
to
pay
that
fee,
and
so
this
just
clarifies
how
that
process
would
work
and
hopefully
a
less
confrontational
way
and
then
again
making
sure
that
any.
If,
if
somebody
met
any
one
of
the
following
criteria,
then
they
could
be
potentially
exempt
from
one
of
one
or
more
of
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance.
And
so
this
came
up
in
two
contexts
like,
for
example,
in
the
context
of
a
slurpee
straw
which
serves
a
function.
A
So
we
would
want
to
probably
work
with
7-11
to
see
if
they
could
find
a
better
alternative
to
to
maybe
their
regular
plastic
for
that
one,
but
most
likely
that
has
to
be
a
certain
shape
and
a
certain
material
to
to
perform
its
function
same
thing
with
the
the
great
shakes
guy.
So
he
has
a
very
specific
product
and
it
has
to
be
of
us.
The
straw
has
to
be
of
a
certain
size
and
a
type
to
actually
function.
A
B
I
think
that
straw
is
in
that
category
that
they
use
for
boba,
which
there's
a
shortage
of
now,
so
the
straws
are
out
there,
but
they
do
work
for
the
thick
shakes
and
the
gourmet
shakes
and
all
of
that
sort
of
products.
So
same.
A
A
Yep
yeah
exactly
carl.
A
They
this
the
way
that
this
is
worded
is
through
the
use
of
a
payment
card.
A
voucher
at
the
point
of
sale,
which
is
a
fairly
typical
process,
is
my
understanding.
So
I
I
think
that
this
follows
a
lot
of
the
way
that
this
is
done
currently
for,
for
these
programs.
B
A
A
A
Right
and
then
I
think,
that's
about
it
and
then
I
just
edited
the
effective
date
to
accommodate
the
compostable
component.
So
all
right,
any
other
questions
on
the
food
wear
ordinance.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
try
to
get
you
guys,
some
more
information
on
the
compostability
and
the
standards
for
that,
and
I
will
have
be
happy
to
send
that
out
to
you
guys,
lonnie.
G
Thanks,
I,
I
wasn't
really
gonna
bring
this
up,
but
I
think
it's
in
case
people
are
starting
to
feel
sort
of
lulled
away
about
all
these
options
that
we
have.
G
A
straw
or
a
spork,
or
something
like
this,
that
they
could
take
with
them
and
use
again,
stick
them
in
their
purse
and
use
them
another
20
times,
and
was
it
wasn't
about?
What's
recyclable
it
was,
it
was
something
could
be
reused
just
like
in
the
old
days.
You
know,
but
we'd
take
a
cup
there
and
you
know
they
they'd
fill
it
up
and.
E
G
Where
our
thinking
was
okay,
so
then
code
comes
along
and
we
have
all
this
takeout
food
and
we
get
all
these
little
packets
of
you
know
ketchup
and
this
kind
of
thing,
okay,
so
and
another
generation.
We
see
that
people
are
starting
to
think.
Oh
yeah.
This
is
okay.
This
is
fine
and
not
really
connect
with.
What's
going
on
what
the
and
what
they're
saying
and
what
they're
see
they're
they're
thinking-
oh
hey!
G
This
is
this
is
compostable,
so
that
means
we
just
sent
to
the
compost
facility
and
that's
exactly
what
we
have
been
doing
already
in
palm
springs.
Is
our
psds
has
taken
the
the
food
waste
from
the
downtown
restaurants,
at
least
the
ones
that
have
decided
they
want
to
even
participate.
A
lot
of
them
were
kind
of
pissed
off
about
it,
but
they've
taken
this
and
they've
trucked
it
a
round
trip
60
miles.
G
G
I
know
I've
already-
probably
gotten
into
that
before,
but
there
there
is
only
one
compost
place
in
the
whole
coachella
valley
that
will
actually
that
does
create
industrial
grade
good,
not
mulch,
but
actual
compost
that
you
can
grow
your
tomatoes
and
you
can
grow
your
peas
in
and
they're,
not
gonna
die.
Okay,
you
know,
it's
there's
only
one
place
and
I
don't
know
if
patrick
talked
to
him,
but
I
did
it
was
a
couple
years
ago,
patrick
and
I
both
went
to
a
big
seminar.
G
I
think
it
was
three
days
or
something
like
that,
and
the
name
of
this
place
is
s
a
recycling
compost,
it's
in
thousand
palms,
and
I
said
to
him:
his
name
is
kurt
show
kurt.
G
Would
you
take
a
green
waste
or
kitchen
waste
restaurant
waste
from
palm
springs?
It
you
know
make
it
allow
it
to
come
on
to
your
compost
facility
and
be
further
processed
like
all
of
the
branches
and
whatnot
that
you
do
take,
and
he
said
absolutely
not.
G
That
is
the
easiest
way
to
make
my
product
go
down
the
toilet
and
he
his
products
are
soil,
fxr,
premium,
compost,
soil,
fxr,
seed,
topper
s,
a
green
waste
malt,
the
three
of
them
and
they're
all
certified
okay.
So
then
this
other
place
where
we
are
taking
our
greenways
from
downtown
they're
not
certified,
but
they'll,
take
anything
that
you
give
them.
If
you
tell
them
it's
compostable
so
much
the
better
they're
gonna
take
it.
G
Well,
if
it's
good
enough
for
these
composters
we'll,
why
don't
we
do
our
own
composting
and
so
we'll
we'll
be
able
instead
of
having
to
buy
it
back,
we'll
have
our
own,
and
so
we
so
they
started
their
own
composting
thing
and
they
took
this
exactly
what
we're
doing
now
accepting
for
you
know,
and
they
they
do
it
in
yards
like
cubic
yards,
but
instead
of
everybody
being
happy
in
making
money
from
this
compost,
nothing
would
grow.
G
G
Well,
a
lot
of
the
compost
places
as
it
turns
out,
get
some
of
their
waste,
not
all
but
get
some
of
their
green
waste
from
forestry
from
the
forestry
industry
and
it's
loaded
with
all
kinds
of
stuff
that
called
private
club
pyrolid
all
of
the
stuff
they're
dumping
on
fires.
Now
that's
with
it
and
all
the
these
toxic
toxic
waste
we've
got.
You
know
asbestos.
G
We've
got
not
only
herbicides,
but
pesticides,
heavy
metals,
bacterial
pathogens,
oh
wow
and
other
chemicals.
I
mean
it's,
but
that's:
okay.
They'll
take
it,
somebody
will
buy
it,
they
have
been,
it
has
been
bought
and
they've
had
really
bad
outcomes.
Ln
spokane
stopped
right
away,
but
they
got
a
really
bad
rep.
If
you're
in
that
business,
they
got
a
really
bad
realm.
Well,
the
place
that
we're
sending
our
stuff
to
right
now
has
a
really
bad
wrap.
G
A
One
of
the
clarifications
I
would
make
is
that
we
do
take
all
of
our
green
waste
to
sa
recycling.
That's
where
most
of
the
green
waste
from
the
city
goes.
The
stuff
that's
collected
from
palm
springs
disposal,
so
they
are
that
facility
that
you
were
talking
about
and
so
the
food
waste,
as
my
understanding
goes
to
coachella
valley,
compost
and
that
is
kept
separate
because
it
is
food
waste
and
it
is
not
mixed
in
with
their
green
waste,
because
that
gets
them
a
lower
quality
product.
G
It's
it's
more
contaminated
and
they're,
not
they're,
an
organization
that
has
no
what
is
it
the
u.s
composting
council
seal
of
testing
assurance?
They
don't
they
don't
do
that
and
and
a
lot
of
the
composters
here.
Don't
do
it
either.
So,
basically,
there's
a
lot
of
these
places
all
over
this,
the
state
that
oh
yeah,
sure,
if
you
say
it's
compostable,
well,
that's
great,
we'll
take
it.
G
I
want
to
see
some
documentation
on
that
and
it's
interesting
because
all
of
this
has
come
all
these
compostable
whatevers,
that
food
items.
This
has
all
happened
since
copen.
G
A
That's
not
that's
not
the
kind
of
product
that
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
the
products
that
meet
the
astm
standards,
which
is
a
90
day,
standards
that
which
is
longer
than
some
places
take
in
their
processing,
and
so
that's
why
we
were
talking
to
bertek
about
okay.
What's
your
process
going
to
be
because
if
it's
going
to
meet
the
standard,
then
do
you
are
you
having
a
process
that
actually
meets
that
timeline
and
they
do
have
industrial
composting?
And
so
anyway,
so
again
we're
happy
to
provide
more
information
on
their
process,
but
roy.
F
A
So
the
plan
is
to
take
that
forward
to
council
on
the
24th
and
again
we'll
try
to
get
you
that
information
as
soon
as
we
can
in
case
you
have
any
medical
comments.
A
Okay
and
then
the
next
item
roy
is
on
the
sustainability
scholarship
program,
and
I
think
you
guys
got
the
update
there.
There
were
no
real
questions
with
regard
to
anything
that
we
got
requests
for
reimbursement
for
so
I
think
we're
all
set
on
that
front
and
david
just
to
comment.
A
I
we
did
have
an
inquiry
from
one
person
about
the
home
energy
audit
and
we'll
follow
up
with
them
to
find
out
what
their
status
is,
because
we
did
send
out
a
last
call
notice
to
all
the
people
that
had
expressed
interest
in
the
sustainability,
scholarship
and
so
I'll.
Try
to
to
see
if
I
can
find
my
records
about
who
that
is
and
follow
up
with
them
too.
C
So
thanks,
patrick,
I
think
you
just
answered
the
question
that
I
had
noted
is
that
there's
been
notice
to
the
public
that
you
know
that,
as
of
july
1,
the
scholarship
is
transitioning
to
support
food.
Wear
food
wear
so
people.
You
know,
though
anyone
else's
would
have
notified
about
that.
A
Well,
we
haven't
really
done
that
notice
yet,
and
so
we
will
do
that
as
soon
as
we
wrap
up
the
2021
stuff.
The
the
thing
I
want
to
do
is
I'll
grandfather
in
anybody.
Who's
expressed
interest
to
date
and
hasn't
gotten
their
stuff
done
yet
so
so
we'll
try
to
get
that
stuff
through,
because
really
the
money
just
carries
carries
forward
so
but
we'll
do
a
marketing
push
with
regard
to
food,
wear
and
other
sorts
of
things
as
we
go
forward
with
with
that
program.
C
So,
okay
and-
and
I
I
think
that
dc
had
actually
mentioned
a
the
home
energy
assessment.
So
we
can,
you
know,
continue
to
to
work
with
them
to
to
publicize
that
yeah
and-
and
I
think
we
said
that
that's
five
thousand
dollars
in
the
in
the
new
fiscal
year
budget,
correct.
C
G
Thank
you.
This
is
still
on
the
the
waste
reduction
committee,
which
I
see
is
she
just
named?
This
is
number
eight.
G
On
the
subcommittee
report.
A
A
Okay,
so
that
will
be
a
quick
one
too.
So
I
did
go
and
talk
to
the
measure
j
committee
about
funding
some
turf
conversion
projects
into
the
future
and
making
a
concerted
effort
to
do
more
city
projects
that
would
convert
turf
and
do
energy
efficiency
efforts
on
outdoor
areas.
So
they
were
supportive
of
that
and
so
we're
just
working
out
with
our
finance
folks
how
that
works.
A
So
they
were
supportive
of
the
idea,
but
it's
still
a
little
unclear
to
me
how
that
money
flows
and
how
it
gets
officially
authorized.
So
there's
been
questions
from
other
offices
about
it
as
well,
so
we
we
continue
to
talk
about
it
internally
and
I
think
we're
going
to
develop
a
little
process
for
how
that
money
gets
distributed.
A
But
my
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
that
turf
conversion
process
almost
becomes
like
the
capital
improvement
projects
at
the
city,
where
we've
got
like
a
a
list
of
things
we
want
to
get
done
and
over
a
five-year
period.
We
work
through
that
list
and
get
continually
funded
through
the
through
the
city's
budget.
So
so
that's
my
my
hope
for
that
that
program
and
so
more.
B
C
Just
be
useful,
as
I
mentioned
when,
when
there
sort
of,
is
a
wish
list
to
work
with
dwa
a
sort
of
a
wish
list,
a
potential
budget
to
work
with
dwa
and
see
what
funding
may
be
available
and
in
particular,
grant
funding.
Because
of
you
know
various
state
bonds
and
resilience,
and
things
like
that,
so
yeah
be
good.
To
sort
of
you
know,
partner
with
dwa
on.
A
C
Of
I
think,
they'd
appreciate
sort
of
the
heads
up
in
the
advanced
notice,
and
you
know
it
could
be
taken
to
the
board
if
necessary,
and
is
the
airport
sort
of
separate
from
this,
because
you
recall
when
we
worked
on
the
airport
demonstration
garden
that
was
essentially
approved.
But
then
there's
all
the
kind
of
all
the
corners
that
were
well
approved
in
concept
but
not
approved
in
terms
of
funding.
So
is
that
going
to
be
on
the
list
or
will
that
be
sort
of
a
separate
list?
Because
it's
under
the
airport
budget.
A
So
yeah
I'll
have
to
talk
to
the
airport
about
that.
I
would
really
like
for
them
to
be
engaged
and
commit
to
this,
so
I
do
think
that
they
can
get
access
to
measure
j
funds,
so
we
might
be
able
to
do
a
little
bit
of
incentivizing
with
them,
so
so
yeah.
So
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
special
case.
Okay,.
C
Yeah
you
can
follow
up
with
them
and
and
obviously
they've
they've
got
not
sure
they
would
carry
can
carry
over.
But
they've
got
lots
of
cares
sort
of
funding,
whether
that
would
be
eligible,
not
another
story,
but
right
they
might
have
something.
F
C
Thank
you
trick
clark.
So,
as
usual
a
lot
going
on
last
month,
I
attended
three
days
of
energy
commission
public
hearings
on
the
2022
energy
code.
C
The
workshop
on
building
decarbonization,
which
is
one
of
the
key
elements
of
the
state's
energy
policy,
and
I
included
in
the
committee
report,
slides
from
the
building
to
carbonization
workshop
and
attempt
to
look
at
the
slides
energy
efficiency
is
one
of
the
seven
broad
building
decarbonization
strategies
and,
as
you
saw
on
the
committee
report,
sce
spoke
to
us
at
the
committee
meeting
two
weeks
ago
and
they're
launching
a
commercial
energy
efficiency
program.
C
That's
summarized
in
a
committee
report
and
they're
just
waiting
for
a
cbuc
approval,
so
on
a
parallel
track
and
as
I've
been
mentioning,
the
energy
commission
is
strongly
encouraging
local
governments
to
focus
on
energy
efficiency
for
existing
residential
buildings.
C
It's
not
directly
an
energy
code
topic
there's
some
on
retrofits,
but
it's
mostly
for
new
construction
and
the
recently
adopted
chula
vista
existing
home
energy
sustainability
ordinance
is
being
promoted
as
an
example
and
there's
a
sort
of
seminar
webinar
on
that
and
on
july
1
that
I'll
I'll
I'll
be
attending
a
sort
of
you
know
a
model
first
for
cities
to
follow.
So
the
state
codes
and
standards
program
which
is
financed
by
the
three
I
electricity
ious.
C
So
it's
sc
in
our
zone,
san
diego
gas,
electric
and
pacific
gas
and
electric
together
with
smud
in
sacramento
and
la
department
of
water
and
power.
So
they've
got
a
team.
That's
been
working
with
me
that
developed
a
proposal
for
an
ordinance
is
based
on
chula,
vistas
and,
and
the
core
point
is
that
it
would
require
homeowners
who
are
pulling
building
permits
to
carry
out
certain
energy
efficiency
upgrades
to
essentially
bring
their
homes
up
to
code.
C
The
energy
code
requirements
for
new
homes,
but
in
places
where,
as
I
said,
the
code
would
not
directly
affect
what
they're
doing
so.
Essentially
it's
kind
of
a
parallel
sort
of
upgrade
up
to
code.
C
So
I've
been
working
closely
with
with
the
consultant
who
worked
on
the
chula
vista
ordinance
to
sort
of
see
what
effect
that
would
have,
and
just
looking
at
the
one
slice
that's
sort
of
based
on
permit
data
and
as
best
as
we
could
interpret
the
with
the
permit
data,
it
would
save
millions
of
dollars
and,
most
importantly,
it
would
reduce
community-wide
ghg
emissions,
which
is,
of
course,
our
goal
and
energy
consumption.
And
when
it's
118
degrees
as
it
was
today
and
everyone
is
using
their
air
conditioner.
C
It's
really
important
for
for
insulation
to
reduce
the
amount
of
air
conditioning
that
you're
using
so
that's
sort
of
the
core
of
the
proposal.
I
I'm
requesting
commission
to
recommend
that
the
proposal
be
submitted
to
city
council,
part
of
the
ght
inventory
staff
report
that
patrick
just
mentioned,
for
them
to
provide
direction
to
continue
work
on
on
the
proposal,
conduct
outreach
and
then
bring
a
draft
ordinance
accounts
for
consideration
and
kind
of
like
the
foodware
ordinance.
C
This
would
definitely
benefit
from
having
one
or
two
council
members
to
sort
of
sit
along,
just
as
we
had
sort
of
patrick
before
you
arrived
of
a
council
member
coors
and
then
council
member
middleton,
as
planning
commissioner
and
the
city
council
member.
We
worked
very
closely
on
the
solar
policy
and
and
I
think
we
gained
a
lot
from
that
process.
C
So
that's
essentially
it.
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
materials
and
we
can
simplify
it
when
it
goes
to
council,
particularly
the
attachments
it
came
in
several
different
cultures
of
data,
and
the
work
to
be
done
is
to
work
with
the
consulting
team
to
sort
of
harmonize
the
data
because
they
they
they
change
their
format
between
single
family
and
multifamily
and
the
period
of
homes
that
are
covered.
C
And
so
I
was
dealing
with
that
last
week,
where
they
kind
of
moved
a
little
post
on
me
a
little
bit,
and
so
what
I
thought
was
going
to
be
one
simple
printout
from
the
energy
explorer
ended
up
being
several
different,
several
different
documents.
So,
patrick,
that's
probably
the
core
work
to
be
done,
not
so
much
on
the
substance,
but
simplifying
the
the
proposals
and
taking
to
this
and
saying
this
is
what
we
can
do.
These
are
how
much
money
you
save,
and
these
are
potential
exemptions.
C
So
that's
certainly
something
I
would
want
to
do
before
it
goes
to
council
is
simplify
the
attachments,
if
not
necessarily
the
substance
of
the
memo,
so
I'm
available
for
any
questions
you
have.
I
said
it's
a
lot
of
materials
since
it's
a
request
for
the
commission
to
make
our
communication
council,
I
can
make
a
motion
of
that
effect,
or
we
can
just
sort
of
you
know.
I
think
it's
kind
of
clear.
You
know
the
goal
is
to
get
this
in
front
of
council
for
them
to
sort
of
say.
A
C
Well,
what
I
mean
I,
I
guess
the
question
is
sort
of
what
what
other
work
needs
to
be
done.
I
mean
I
can
focus
on
this
part
and
and
and
simplify
it.
There
are
obviously
more
options
that
I
didn't
go
at,
which
are
kind
of
following
the
bay
area
approach,
which
is
heavily
prescriptive
and
fuel
switching
for
new
construction.
C
That's
obviously
an
option
that
council
could
consider,
but
it's
a
lot
more
work
and
I'm
not
sure
the
council
sort
of
wants
to
sort
of
you
know
fight
that
you
know
start
working
in
that
approach,
so
certainly
in
terms
of
green
buildings.
This
is
kind
of
you
know
what
we
do
in
in
this
specific
area
that
I
think
is
matches
what
we
have
in
palm
springs,
which
is
a
lot
of
older
energy
efficiency,
efficient
homes,
and
that's
really
what
I
focus
on
and
other
folks
can
work
on.
A
Right
and
I
think
that's
what
we
started
to
talk
about
at
the
last
solar
green
building
meeting
was
that
you
know
we
need
to
also
start
to
think
about
what
are
any
transportation
related
kind
of
measures
they
might
want
to
adopt,
and
that
kind
of
thing
to
consider
other
ways
to
to
reduce
those
greenhouse
gas
emissions
levels.
C
Okay,
all
right,
but
I
guess
if
this
is
going
to
council
by
you,
know
the
july
22nd
meeting,
obviously
there's
a
short
deadline.
I
I
can
sort
of
do
my
part
and
and
sort
of
tighten
the
attachments
and
the
memo
can
be
simplified
because
there's
a
lot
of
footnotes
to
explain
why
the
data
came
in
different
functions
and
that
can
be
simplified.
So
I
can
work
on
that.
If
we're
going
to
have
a
committee
meeting,
I
can
certainly
have
it
ready
for
that.
C
But
anything
else
in
terms
of
transportation
would
have
to
be.
You
know
a
whole
separate
track,
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
know
whether
that
would
delay
until
september-
or
you
know
that
sort
of
your
call
on
anything
beyond
sort
of
green
buildings,
because
that's
my
focus
on.
C
So
where
do
you
want
to
sort
of
go
to
to
this
I
mean
do
we
need?
I
mean
I
think,
that's
clear,
that
we
want
to
get
this
to
council
together
with
the
package,
and
I'm
happy
simply
to
you
know,
tighten
up
this
section
of
it
and
then
we
can
work
on.
You
know
any
of
the
other
stuff.
You
know
in
terms
of
you
know
whatever
we
might
be
able
to
do
in
transportation
and
evs,
and
and
you
know,
but
that
that's
a
whole
sort
of
separate
issue,
so
you
know,
is
it
a?
C
C
C
Have
hit
all
of
that
stuff
and
and
a
lot
of
it
was
in
the
climate
action
roadmap
staff
reports.
Of
course,
you'll
recognize
it
so
you're
welcome
to
literally
do
a
copy
and
paste,
so
you
don't
have
to
sort
of
set
the
policy
goals
and-
and
it
was
written,
so
you
can
do
exactly
that.
So
it's
it's
there
and
then
I
can
focus
on
the
specific
proposal
which
is
kind
of
the
the
core
of
the
memo.
But
only
two
and
a
half
pages
and
and
shorten
that
and
work
on
on
consolidating
the
data.
G
Just
quickly
david,
I
don't
think
that
you're
at
all
working
at
the
right
pay
scale,
but
I
sure
hope
you
don't
stop
doing
what
you're
doing,
because
you're
doing
a
hell
of
a
job.
You
really
are,
and
I've
admired
it
for
years
now,
and
I
just
want
to
tell
you,
I
know
you
it's
a
big
push,
but
please
please,
please
stick
with
it
and
get
it
done.
C
Yeah,
I
guess
the
the
challenge
in
all
of
this
is
essentially
you
have
to
know
state
policy
literally
completely,
to
then
understand
what
are
sort
of
the
you
know,
additional
areas
for
cities
to
have
anything
to
do
because
you've
got
state
preemption
and
in
certain
cases,
actually
the
federal
government
such
rules
and
you
can't
violate
those
and
and
commissioner
baker
will
will
appreciate
from
law
school.
C
You
know
federal
preemption
under
the
commerce
clause,
and
this
is
sort
of
the
stuff
that
literally
gives
you
nightmares
in
law
school,
but
I
actually
have
to
know
this
stuff
to
work
on
what
I'm
doing
to
know
where
the
federal
government
says.
Well,
you
can't
do
that.
You
can't
require
higher
energy
efficiency
boilers
in
the
federal
government.
I
mean
it's
bizarre
that
may
change
under
the
new
administration,
but
there
are
really
complicated
state
and
federal
rules
that
you
have
to
know
before
you
can
even
start
putting.
C
A
A
Yeah,
that's
okay,
just
basically
supportive,
but
had
some
edit
and
edit
to
the
the
language.
So
I'm
forwarding
that
to
the
full
commission
so
that
you
guys
can
see
it.
Okay,
that's
fine!.
C
I
did
not
did
you
send
that
hold
on
here.
A
I'm
I'm
forwarding
it
now,
but
you
were
on
there.
Okay
to
your
road
runner
account.
C
Oh
okay!
Sorry
about
that,
because
I
didn't
see
it
on
the
that
hasn't
come
through.
It
may
have
ended
up
in
my
in
a
different
folder
I'll.
Look
for
it
because
I
didn't
see
anything
in
the
there.
It
is
right
there,
5
56,
oh
it
just
came
through
while
we
were
on
the
commission
while
we're
on
the
meeting.
Okay
great,
I
just
saw
it.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah,
okay,
that's
fine
quickly!
You
continue
to
provide
technical
assistance,
that's
good!
Today,
all
electric
homes
I
mean
that's,
obviously
something
that
council
can.
C
You
know,
provide
direction
on
talk
about
my
pay
scale,
that
is
wavy
on
my
pay
scale,
but
obviously
that's
an
option
and-
and
that's
clearly
the
way
the
bay
area
cities
are
going,
but
it's
a
lot
more
work
than
I'm
capable
of
doing
and
and
and
council
would
have
to
provide
direction
and
probably
get
a
consultant
on
the
on
the
city's
dime
on
teleport,
like
they
want
to
go
in
that
more
more
prescriptive
direction.
C
But
that
can
be
among
the
options
for
council
to
say
you
know
and,
and
the
two
of
them
are
not.
This
applies
just
to
retrofits.
The
all-electric
is
largely
for
new
homes.
So
that's
what
the
bay
area
cities
are
doing
and
the
energy
commission
is,
you
know,
obviously
approving
all
of
those
ordinances.
C
It
does
mention
electric
heat
pump
technologies
and
that's
something
also
that
you
know
I'll
add
to,
and
they
could
go
just
mentioning
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
Sorry,
I
just
didn't
see
it.
While
we
were
in
the
meeting
no.
F
Problem
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
subcommittee,
I
just
like
to
comment
that,
yes,
david
has
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
on
solar
and
green
building
activities.
I
think
one
thing
one
thing
that
I
have
the
impression
of
is
that
the
state
is
a
lot
further,
along
with
electrification
activities,
laws
and
so
forth
than
it
is
with
activities
relating
to
transportation,
and
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
catching
up
to
do
to
figure
out
ways
to
make
improvements
or
decrease
our
carbon
footprint
to
transportation.
C
Yeah,
those
are
that's
a
whole
separate
area,
other
than
ev
sort
of
encouragement
and
of
course
we
got
those
you
know
so
we
what
program
there
is.
You
know,
we've
done
that,
and
the
green
building
standing
standards
code
has
somewhat
more
robust
standards
for
ev
sort
of
stations,
and
we've
done
that
as
well.
So
we've
kind
of
met
the
state
where
it
is
on
that
and
anything
else
will
require.
You
know
a
lot
more
work
in
terms
of
you,
know:
housing
and
encouraging.
C
You
know
mass
transportation,
and
things
like
that.
I
will
be
attending
the
listening
session
for
the
general
planetarium
committee
on
thursday.
There's
one
going
on
right
now
at
myself,.
C
Report,
okay,
patrick
I'll
I'll,
start
work
on
that
and
keep
you
updated
I'll
show
you
where
we're
going.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
I
tried
to
capture
most
things
in
the
report
there
just
an
update.
A
We
have
started
to
schedule
some
very
specific
meetings
with
psds
to
talk
about
the
franchise
agreement
update
and
to
work
through
some
of
the
questions
that
are
popping
up
in
terms
of
updating
that
agreement,
so
we're
trying
to
move
that
forward
for
the
next
couple
of
months,
so
we'll
be
working
intently
with
them
on
that
to
incorporate
1383
elements
as
well
as
other
refinements
to
the
franchise
agreement
to
make
it
better.
So
I'm
working
on
that
and
continue
to
do
that
there
was.
A
A
We
aren't
slowing
down
our
efforts
in
any
way,
but
they're
just
saying
that
they're
not
gonna
start
enforcement
action
against
cities,
if
you're,
not
in
compliance
before
the
end
of
or
on
the
january,
1
2022
deadline
date.
So
so
anyway-
and
I
think
that's
necessary,
partly
because
the
there's
a
huge
backup,
I
think
in
the
equipment
arena
just
getting
equipment
and
getting
trucks
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
so
there's
just
a
delay
generally
in
the
system
of
getting
set
up
for
this.
A
So
so
that
is,
I
thought
I
was
on
that
front
and
then
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention.
I
think.
A
Oh
with
the
downtown
trash
and
recycling
containers,
so
tracy's
been
hard
at
work
at
labeling,
the
downtown
trash
or
the
downtown
recycling
containers,
with
the
signage
that
we
had
developed
previously
and
you
guys
had
reviewed,
and
so
those
are
up
in
the
core
part
of
downtown
and
we
also
tracy
worked
really
hard
to
get
stickers
and
labels
put
on
the
box
tops
for
the
temporary
recycling
containers
that
will
be
rolled
out,
hopefully
tonight
with
the
first
village
fest.
A
So
it's
the
first
time
we
will
have
temporary
recycling
containers
next
to
the
temporary
trash
containers,
so
that
hopeful
that
that
promotes
some
recycling
consciousness
at
our
events,
so
we'll
plan
to
use
those
at
villagefest
whenever
we
have
that
on
a
regular
basis.
So
so
that
all
happened
and
then
lana.
You
asked
about
item
number
eight,
which
was
the
community
composting
stuff,
and
you
might
have
a
more
update
more
of
an
update
on
this
than
me.
A
But
we've
been
working
continue
to
work
with
the
composting
group
to
get
information
really
to
parks
and
recreation,
which
is
the
ultimate
kind
of
audience
for
this
project,
because
we
are
to
need
some
space
to
do
composting
and
gardening,
and
so
the
the
group
met
and
they
have
been
refining
their
vision
and
their
plan.
A
They
also
met
with
stacey
schaefer
who's
in
charge
of
our
facilities
and
maintenance
to
talk
through
some
of
the
elements
of
the
project
and
to
talk
through
with
her
kind
of
the
implementation
aspect
of
it.
So
anyway.
So
that's
all
moving
forward
and
I
think
the
next
step
is
for
that
group
to
meet
with
cynthia
who
is
the
head
of
our
parks
and
rec
department
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
location
and
sighting,
and
all
that
good
stuff.
A
G
G
You
know
because
it
doesn't
come
out
in
your
writing
quite
that
way,
but
one
of
the
things
I
think-
and
it
really
blew
me
away
last
time-
is
when
you
said
well
you're
supposed
to
talk
about
this
now
and
and
it
you're
titling
it
composting
grant,
and
I
don't
know
why
you're
calling
it
grant
because
the
city
of
palm
springs
is
not
giving
them
a
grant.
A
Right,
that's
how
this
started
so
that
that's
why
that
title
is
there
it's
been
there
since
we
started
talking
about
this,
because
it
was
actually
originally
originated
from
the
idea
that
this
community
group
was
going
to
apply
for
a
grant
and
it
was
sort
of
a
public
private
grant
and
the
city
would
say
that
yes,
we're
supportive
of
this
idea
and
then
they
would
get
money
and
then
we
would
do
a
project
and
that's
how
it
would
flow.
So
that's
that's
that's
why
it
says
that.
G
But
in
fact
what
it's
called
and
it
was
voted
upon-
is
coyote
cooperative
compost
and
gardens
it's
kind
of
a
mouthful,
but
you
you
get
the
idea,
they
voted
on
this
thing
and
they
brainstormed
it
and
they
had
an
official
vote.
So
that's
what
it
is
and
they
continue
to
meet
and
they're
continuing
to
draw
in
some
amazing
people,
and
one
thing
is
that
yeah
the
franchise
agreement?
What's
that
about?
G
So
so
the
city
has
the
franchise
agreement
with
dsds,
but
what
this,
what
the
coyote,
cooperative
compost
and
gardens
wants
to
do?
They
want
to
have
a
specific
language,
specific
language
in
that
franchise
that
allows
them
to
be
kind
of
a
to
be
an
entity
on
city
owned
land
and
that
they
can
have
somebody.
G
Somebody
can
be
in
the
group
that
goes
and
picks
up
composting
material
like
green
waste
that
we're
talking
about
picks
it
up
and
then
takes
it
back
to
the
facility
okay,
so
that
is,
they
want
to
have
the
ability
to
opt
out
of
psds's
transfer,
porting
of
green
waste
to
the
so-called
com
compost
facility.
G
It's
an
opt-out
part
of
the
agreement,
it's
that's
part
of
it
and
then
the
other
part
of
it
is
that
if
you're,
a
micro
hauler
somebody
who's
going
to
go
around
and
pick
up
all
this,
you
know
the
neighbors
are
donating.
Then
you
can
ask
for
a
particular
fee
to
get
from
point
a
to
point
b.
It's
they're
they're,
applying
for
a
501
c
3
membership,
or
you
know,
and
so
they're
not
gonna
they're,
not
planning
on
making
big
profits
on
this.
G
But
it's
just
a
way
to
basically
pay
back
the
person
who's
using
the
transportations
to
go
from
different
parts
of
the
city.
G
You
know,
so
it's
not
just
going
to
be
the
the
material
isn't
going
to
just
have
been
generated
from
that
location,
but
people
can
bring
their
stuff
in
or
they
can
have
their
stuff
picked
up
and
they
the
franchise
agreement
in
the
in
this
piece.
This
additional
wording
will
allow
them
to
do
that
and
you
might
want
to
embellish
on
that,
patrick
or
you
think.
That's
good
enough.
I
just.
A
So
the
only
addition
I
would
say
is
that
qualification
is
that
it
is
fee
based,
so
it's
fee-based
hauling.
That
is
not
part
of
it.
G
A
That
is
not
allowed
under
a
current
franchise
agreement,
which
is
why
there
is
an
amendment
is
needed
of
some
sort
to
allow
for
some
type
of
operation
like
that.
So
so
that's
that's
really
what
what
we're
we're
trying
to
work
towards,
and-
and
so
there
is
some
language
in
the
current
franchise
agreement-
about,
for
example,
like
your
recycling
isn't,
is
your
own
is
your
own
business
until
it
gets
into
the
bin.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
kind
of
build
on
language
like
that,
that's
already
in
there
that
says.
A
A
G
B
G
G
I
think
that
was
going
to
be
oh
and
then
also
this
meeting
that
we
had
with
with
stacy
and
then
parks
and
rec
was
not
able
to
make
it
at
that
meeting
but
apparent
according
to
stacey.
They
do
this
all
the
time.
A
Yeah
that
stacy
didn't
convey
that
to
me.
She
said
that
she
expressed
concerns
about
the
fee
based
hauling
in
regard
to
the
franchise
agreement,
so
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
she
was
referring
to
with
that
I
mean
so
so
we
can
it's.
You.
E
E
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
add
that
I
also
thought
that
one
of
the
benefits
of
this
coalition
was
to
address
the
fact
that
a
majority
of
this-
well,
I
can't
say,
a
majority
since
the
the
psds
hauling
agreement
is
only
going
to
cover
units
of
five
or
less,
but
we
still
have
a
significant
housing
stock
in
this
community.
E
That's
these
large
condominium
developments,
and
so
I'll
still
underscore
that
one
of
my
recommendations
to
the
coalition
has
been
to
address
the
gaps
in
our
compost
collection
program
such
that
it
would
make
it
even
more
enticing
such
that
psds
didn't
see
that
this
was
in
conflict
with
their
area
of
purview,
but
in
fact
it's
actually
to
supplement
this
purview
and
build
out
an
economic
development
model
and
such
so
we're
meeting
on
friday.
As
I
don't
know,
if
lonnie
mentioned
that,
so
I'm
also
on
the
committee,
the
coalition
and
oh.
G
E
E
If,
in
fact
it's
it
can't
sustain
itself
if
it's
purely
volunteer
based
and
that,
if,
in
fact,
it's
also
going
to
supplement
something,
I
think
we
just
need
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
provides
opportunity
that
the
group
itself
can
can
sustain
itself
and
also
address
a
gap
in
the
requirement
and
the
the
state
ordinance
that
we're
trying
to
comply
with
and
aren't
and
how
that's
being
implemented.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
additional
color
to
what.
A
E
A
I'm
glad
you
raised
that
so
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
conversation,
I
think
it
was
with
the
subcommittee-
was
that
so,
if
we're
gonna
do
move
people
towards
compostable
food
wear,
then
it
probably
makes
sense
to
provide
compost
or
food
waste
service
to
multi-family
in
addition
to
individual
residents.
A
So
so
it's
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
a
little
bit
with
psds.
To
just
say
you
know:
how
would
we
do
this?
What
would
this
look
like
so
so
anyway?
So
I
think
we
almost
have
to
expand
that
service
to
multifamily,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
probably
something
that
will
end
up
in
the
1383
changes,
even
though
it's
not
required
by
the
state
again.
A
If
we're
moving
in
this
direction,
we
would
that
would
be
a
whole
swath
of
the
city
that
wouldn't
then
necessarily
have
access
to
dispose
of
their
just
compostable
food
ware.
So
so
anyway,
so
that's
sort
of
evolving.
So
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
But
I
do
think
it
is
an
option
for
people
and
a
welcome
option
for
many
who
might
want
to
do
that
in
in
you
know,
do
their
composting
in
a
different
way
and
we've
certainly
gotten
a
lot
of
interest
like
we
get.
A
A
G
F
D
D
It
was
a
little
bit
long.
This
was
our
first
virtual
art
awards
ceremony.
So
considering
mercury
was
retrograde.
I
think
that
we
pulled
it
off
pretty
well
pretty
seamlessly
it's
the
art
contest
itself.
We
got
a
little
less
than
130
entries.
D
Most
of
them
were
visual
art.
We
didn't
get
a
whole
lot
of
videos
or
literary
art
submissions,
the
ones
that
we
got,
however,
were
really
impressive,
and
there
was
I
I
don't
know
we
had
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
time
awarding
the
best
ones,
because
there
were
so
many
good
ones,
but
you
know
it
was
really
streamlined.
D
The
judging
those
of
you
that
judge,
thank
you
and
it
was
pretty
easy
to
see
just
you
know,
which
ones
were
clear
winners
and
we
ended
up
giving
out
more
hundred
dollar
prizes
than
anticipated,
but
they
were
really
profound
pieces,
and
you
know
why
I
love
this
contest
and
I
probably
have
told
you
all
before
is
it's
such
an
amazing
opportunity
to
give
you
know
we
rotate
the
five
elements,
so
we
added
justice
this
year
with
air,
but
it's
it's
a
you
know
a
way
for
kids,
especially
adults
too.
D
To
think
critically-
and
you
know
express
it
creatively,
so
I've
had
that
vision
to
have
a
literary
art
contest
or
some
kind
of
an
essay
contest
for
years
it
was
never
feasible
before
you
all
helped
make
that
happen
so
to
have
the
performing
art
as
well.
I
think
you
know
it
just
gives
more
opportunity
for
expression,
and
they
were
really
amazing.
I
mean
it
was
such
a
good
contest.
So
I,
if
you
have
time
to
look
at
it,
it
was
long
we
do
have.
D
You
could
just
go
to
the
eec,
the
environmental
education
collaborative
website
as
well,
where
you
could
just
look
at
the
gallery.
I
think
of
pictures
you
know
of
things
and
and
see
that
yourself.
D
So
maybe
you
don't
have
the
time
to
watch
the
whole
thing,
but
we
had
30
50
winners
and
1700
winners,
so
I
it
was
just
a
huge
impact
like
this
was
such
a
big
contest
compared
to
what
we
have
done
before
you
know
we
used
to
have,
I
don't
know
a
little
over
a
thousand
dollars
in
prizes,
and
this
year
we
had
over
four
thousand
dollars
in
prizes.
We
didn't
give
out
all
of
that,
so
you
know
we
can
put
a
little
bit
in
the
kitty
for
next
year.
D
The
pony
barns
grant
will
not
be
available
next
year.
It
sounds
like
so.
Hopefully
the
commission,
if
you
feel
like
this,
is
a
good
project.
It
would
be
great.
I
mean
I
love
supporting
it.
I
love
that
we're
a
part
of
this.
I
think
it's
it's
a
really
good
way
to
you
know,
support
our
community
and
it's
you
know
it.
It
shows
that
we're
you
know
working
with
more
than
just
palm
springs
area,
but
the
greater
coachella
valley
and
riverside
and
san
bernardino
counties.
So
it's
pretty
far
reaching.
D
Hopefully
next
year
we
can
get
more
interest,
and
you
know
maybe
next
year
we'll
be
able
to
do
a
world
environment
day
celebration.
We
had
54
attendees
at
the
award
ceremony,
so
that
was
that
was
significant.
You
know
so
inlandia
institute
is
a
new
partner
they're.
They
focus
on
the
writing.
So
you
know
that
that
was
just
great
to
have
a
new
partner.
That's
really
excited
to
do
this
with
us
as
well,
so
we
can
grow
this
program.
D
If
any
of
you
know
of
anyone
that
we
can
approach
for
next
year,
I
would
like
to
start
raising
funds
for
the
awards
sooner
than
later,
just
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
get
that
ready.
I
think
that
we
have
so
many
good
projects
to
show
why
it
would
be.
I
hope
that
there's
a
lot
of
interest,
though
I
think
that's
it.
G
D
D
On
well
that
would
be
interesting,
even
if
some
of
the
artists
you
know
could
possibly
enter.
You
know
some
of
the
winning
submissions
that
we
had,
and
I
was
really
excited
also
I
didn't
say,
but
you
know
there
was
one
writing
piece
that
did
have
to
do
with
the
salton
sea,
which
I
was
really
hoping.
Somebody
would
address
that
you
know,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
you
know,
coronavirus
stuff
with
masks,
and
you
know
I
can't
breathe
with
george
floyd.
D
There
was
there
was
so
much
with
this
year
and
we
may
want
to
also
keep
up
with
the
justice
theme.
I
I
feel
like
it's
really
important
right
now.
I
think
it's
good
to
get
kids
thinking
in
that
way
as
well.
So
that's
so
cool
lonnie.
I
love
that
idea.
That
would
be
so
neat
to
to
have
thanks
again
thanks.
D
F
A
So
just
a
quick
update,
the
consultant
is
really
working
on
consolidating
the
information
from
the
surveys
and
the
meetings
that
we
did
they
did.
I
did
meet
with
them
just
today
to
review
their
product.
We
were
supposed
to
have
a
community
advisory
committee
meeting
next
week,
but
we're
gonna
postpone
that
a
bit
while
we
refine
the
the
data
set
that
we're
going
to
present
to
the
community
advisory
committee,
because
it's
not
quite
ready
yet
so
anyway.
A
So
we'll
have
that
community
advisory
committee
meeting
in
july
and
then
the
next
step
would
be
to
have
a
public
meeting
like
a
town
hall
type
meeting,
similar
to
what
they're
doing
with
the
general
plan
update
and
so
to
get
some
broader
feedback.
So
so
that's
where
we
are
with
that
and
it's
just
a
lot
of
data
to
get
through.
F
E
I
do
thank
you
roy,
so
we
met
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
the
park
to
talk
about
the
current
plan,
etc.
The
notes
itself
are
pretty
well
descriptive
in
terms
of
what
we
talked
about.
I
will
flag
that
I
added
a
few
more
edits
to
the
document
before
it
was
submitted
to
tracy.
So
I
think
our
notes
will
get
updated
to
include
those
and
I
think
jim
had
reached
out
to
tracy.
If
that's
not
that's
correct.
Yes,
after
after
week,.
E
Right
and
that's
my
apology,
I'm
sort
of
loose
on
the
the
protocol,
so
I
apologize,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
in
I
mean
he
had
generally
had
sort
of
captured
the
the
spirit
of
what
we
talked
about
in
terms
of
kind
of
leveraging,
what
other
cities
have
had
successful
and
and
how
do
we
kind
of
start
to
collect
data?
Since
we
know
data
drives
decision
making
and
it's
really
important
to
support
all
of
the
different
initiatives
but
and
then
how
do
we
prioritize
what's
going
on?
E
So
I
got
a
lot
to
learn
and
what
we
started
to
find
out
was
that
we
had
a
big
ground
swell
back
in
the
day
and
we
actually
have
an
active
transportation
plan
that
called
out
many
things
around
sort
of
cycling
and
mobility.
And
then
I
think
that
then,
given
leadership
and
who's
in
con
like
who's,
where
priorities
are
being
put,
things
sometimes
then
take
a
backseat,
and
so
what
I
thought
would
be
really
important
is
to
really
leverage
the
insights
and
knowledge
and
work.
E
You
know,
there's
actively
trying
to
reduce
our
inventories
with
vehicle
miles,
traveled
and
ghg
emissions,
but
if
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
mobility
choices,
whether
it's
walking
or
cycling,
or
even
things
like
micro,
mobility,
e-bikes,
golf
carts,
etc,
like
we
need
to
provide
choices,
and
so
we
started
to
think
more
holistically
around.
E
How
can
this
committee
address
more
than
one
option
reaching
out
to
other
community
members
like
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
hospitality
and
tourism
to
really
it's
always
enticing
to
just
well,
not
even
enticing
it's
a
bit
of
a
distraction
that
you
always
hear
the
people
that
want
to
be
the
the
debbie
downers
and
say:
oh,
why
is
this
a
bad
thing?
Why
are
you
going
to
take
away
this
parking
lane?
E
Why
are
you
going
to
put
this
in,
and
I
thought
why
don't
we
celebrate
those
that
are
actually
supporters
of
this
and
reach
out
and
find
the
community
members
the
business
owners,
the
tourism
and
hospitality
groups
that
are
actually
supporting,
of
improving
our
cycling
pathways,
connecting
neighborhoods,
etc?
So
and
then
I
also
kind
of
brought
up.
We
also
talked
about
fixing
gaps
in
our
cycling
network
within
the
city,
so
that
we're
prepared,
when
cv
link,
actually
connects
our
city
to
the
rest
of
the
coachella
valley.
E
So,
while
they're
building
that
out,
which
there's
a
lot
of
funding
there,
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
where
we
play
and
where
others
play,
and
so
I
think,
really
trying
to
figure
out
where
we
can
create
an
identity,
a
cycling
community
mobility,
making
it
transforming
it
to
a
matter
of
choices
and
safety,
and
things
like
that,
so
those
were
sort
of
the
spirit
of
the
conversation
you
can
see
at
the
end
we
talked
about
you
know
very
explicit
types
of
activities
around.
You
know
different
short
and
long
term
goals.
E
I
still
believe
that
if
we
were
to
encourage
our
city
council
to
promote
joining
the
vision,
zero
commitment
around
sort
of
broadening
these
horizons,
where
it
connects
a
lot
of
the
different
topics
that
we've
brought
up
today
in
our
commission.
It
creates
a
more
holistic
sort
of
approach
to
options
that
don't
just
fit
in
one
particular
silo,
and
I
feel
like
all
these
things
that
we
tackled
today
and
in
the
sustainability
commission
are
cost
functional
and
if
we
address
access
to
safely
getting
around
the
city
having
choices
etc.
E
So
that's
just
a
choi
that
was
just
a
suggestion,
but
also
like
really
making
sure
that
we
connect
the
cities,
have
better
signage,
etc.
I
saw
in
the
staff
report
that
patrick
put
out
that
there
actually
been
an
approval
around
different
signage
and
so
that's
going
to
be
rolled
out
over
the
the
summer.
So
that's
great
to
hear,
and
then
we
kind
of
put
in
and
said,
we've
got
some
specific
expectations.
We'd
like
to
have
a
do.
E
Some
research
do
some
legwork,
but
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
like
have
a
town
hall,
that
kind
of
promotes
and
gathers
and
brings
in
the
community
and
then
try
to
get
some
of
the
the
programs
that
have
been
already
identified
in
the
act
after
transportation
plan
moving
forward
with
a
line
item
with
some
money
committed
to
it,
etc.
A
I
just
had
one
on
the
bike
share
comment.
I
don't
know,
I
think
that
gets
to
your
multi-modal
sort
of
approach,
but
just
so
you
know
we
did
do
a
bike
share
rfp
last
year
and
got
no
interest
the
only
thing
that
they
said
that
they
they
only
said
that
the
only
way
that
they
said
they
would
do
it
is
if
we
included
multiple
modes
so
scooters.
Basically
it
was
a
waiting.
It's
a
way
for
them
to
get
their
scooters
into
town.
So.
E
Okay,
no
that's
a
great
point,
and
I
remember
you
bringing
that
up
before
that
actually
reminds
me,
though
I
had
met
with
over
the
memorial
day
weekend.
I
I
had
a
friend
who
is
part
of
the
california
transportation
commission
that
was
in
town,
and
he
was
mentioning
that
there
is
also
interest
in
these
types
of
touristic
areas
to
bring
in
multiple
modes.
So
I
think
that
while
yes,
maybe
we
had
not
a
great
reception
for
these
types
of
demonstration
projects.
I
think
that
you
know.
E
B
Yeah
I
I
wish
I
had
a
more
final
report
for
you
all
tonight.
We
were,
we
were
going
down
that
path
and
I
was
going
to
do
a
revised
document
roy
and
I
discussed
it,
and
it
was
going
to
go
back
just
to
the
commission
level
rather
than
to
council,
and
that
was
where
I
was
gonna
kind
of
leave
it
when
life
got
in
the
way
in
kind
of
a
messy
way
and
interrupted
me,
and
I
have
had
to
spend
the
last
eight
days
in
canada.
B
So
so
it's
not
complete
and
I
will
be
working
on
it
even
though
I'm
leaving
the
commission
in
more
on
a
more
informal
basis,
and
hopefully
somebody
will
be
able
to
present
it
to
you
next
month.
A
So
I
don't
have
much
on
the
strategic
planning
front,
but
I
did
want
to
mention
you
guys
have
talked
about
wanting
to
do
a
little
off-site
and
I
would
like
to
combine
that
with
some
strategic
planning
efforts
and
we
thought
that
maybe
september
timeframe
would
be
a
good
time
for
him
to
do
that.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
request
to
all
of
the
commissions
and
committees
to
do
something
like
this.
A
But
ours
is
a
little
bit
bigger
deal,
but
it
would
be
good
to
have
some
of
that
conversation.
I
think
before
that
september
time
frame
we
could
do
more
analysis
like
we
had
talked
about
with
the
subcommittee
to
kind
of
assess
where
we've
been
and
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
if
we
can
work
on
that
over
the
summer,
then
that
would
be
a
good
launching
point
for
some
discussions
about
where
we
want
to
go
from
here
in
the
fall.
A
So
so
that's
that's
my
my
thought
and
carl,
I
don't
know.
Have
you
been
involved
with
the
general
plan
update.
A
The
the
public
meetings
are
coming
up,
and
so
those
are
designed
to
get
a
bunch
of
feedback,
so
hopefully
folks
will
be
able
to
go
to
some
of
those,
because
I
think
there's
are
really
important.
Venues
for
sharing
information
and
ideas,
and
especially,
I
think,
there's
a
strong
there's
such
a
strong
connection
to
sustainability
and
mobility
topics,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
encourage
you
all
to
get
people
out
there
to
go
to
those.
C
And
the
next
one
is
thursday
at
5
30
at
the
move,
then
I'm
already
registered
great.
Is
there
patrick?
While
I've
got
the
floor,
is
there
a
budget
or
at
least
a
work
plan?
Are
we
going
to
try
to
update
the
sustainability
plan
in
the
in
the
coming
fiscal
year?
Is
that
still
kind
of
an
objective?
Obviously,
that's.
A
Yep
yep
definitely
definitely
on
the
radar
to
do
that
and
yes,
I
have
set
aside
some
budget
for
that.
C
C
Okay,
again,
lots
of
things
happening
at
this
morning's
dwa
board
meeting.
So,
first
of
all,
they
extended
their
coveted
fee
waivers
for
a
few
more
weeks
and
a
48
month.
Payment
plan
for
those
who
are
not
current
with
their
water
bills
will
be
offered
beginning
august
1
when
late
fees
will
be
reinstated.
C
The
board
approved
its
fy
2122
budget,
no
increases
for
the
fixed
charge
or
water
use
rates
are
proposed
at
this
time,
and
as
mentioned
last
meeting,
the
board
also
approved
the
catrell
valley,
urban
water
management
plan
and
the
water
shortage
contingency
plan
dwa
predicts
having
adequate
water
supplies
through
the
2045
final
study
year.
Hopefully,
that
will
be
a
reality
with
no
water
anywhere.
The
other
water
is
as
well
there's
no
water
in
the
colorado
river.
You
know
the
delta,
so
there's
basically
no
water
anywhere.
What.
C
Evaporating
when
it's
120
degrees,
so
that's
a
whole
big
issue
anyway,
the
wa
does
think
they've
got
enough
water
to
meet
the
demand
and
the
plans
were
developed
with
the
other
coachella
valley
water
agencies.
Dwa
was
the
first
to
approve
just
because
of
the
meeting
cycle
of
april
15
to
be
june.
15Th.
The
other
water
agencies
will
approve
the
plans
before
the
end
of
the
month.
C
The
urban
water
management
plan
will
be
submitted
by
to
the
state
department
of
water
resources
by
july
1,
and
the
board
adopted
ordinance
72,
which
alliance
agency
policy
with
the
new
water
shortage
consensus
plan.
So
that's
it
for
when
I
gave
him
a
quick
feedback
on
the
airport
garden
reading
on
what
patrick
you
put
in
your
staff
report
and
once
again
thank
the
board
for
their
support
on
that.
A
So
so
I
did
actually
want
to
talk
about
this
just
a
tad.
So,
as
david
pointed
out,
it
does
seem
super
weird
that
there's
all
this
talk
of
drought
and
dwa
is
forecasting
that
we've
got
enough
water
to
meet
our
demand,
we're
starting
to
hear
some
stuff
on
social
media
like
why
aren't
we
cutting
back
on
our
water
usage?
Why
aren't
we
doing
more
to
do
this?
A
So
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
subject
that
the
commission
wants
to
take
up
in
the
future,
but
certainly
I
think
the
optics
are
important
and
the
messaging
is
important
and
it
does
just
seem
super
inconsistent
to
be
in
such
a
drought
situation
and
and
not
have
a
lot
of
messaging
around
water
conservation.
So
anyway,.
C
The
importance
of
the
city
doing
its
own
conversion
and
I
think
that's
probably
the
there's
a
lot
of
things
because
dwa
I
mean
the
city
theoretically
can
impose
its
own
standards,
but
this
is
exactly
what
ordinance
72
does
and
at
various
levels
of
shortage.
Then
the
restrictions
get
heightened
and
but
that
shortage
at
least
has
not
been
declared,
and
it's
really
dwa.
C
There's
messaging
about
not
watering
your
lawns
and
anything
else
when
it's
120
degrees,
because
of
evaporation
and
the
best
message
is
for
the
city
to
be
conservative
of
its
own
water
use,
and
that
raises
the
issue
about
the
whole
downtown
park
and,
what's
being
done
so
before
that
park
opens,
you
might
want
to
have
a
chat
with
with
with
stacy
and
parks
and
rec
and-
and
I
think
the
water
feature
is
still
planned.
C
So
there
is
some
issues
are
around
that
I
mean
I.
I
heard
that
it
was
going
to
open,
I
think,
in
the
fall,
when
maybe
it
won't
be,
quite
so
hot
and
and
so
much
water.
Evaporation
but
that's
the
area.
I
think
the
best
of
the
message
that
the
city
can
do
is
on
its
own
use
and
then
encouraging
working
with
dwa
be
getting
out.
The
message
about
you
know
when
you're
watering,
et
cetera
but
it'll,
be
somewhat
difficult
to
impose
restrictions
where
dwa
has
not
imposed
the
restrictions.
C
I
I
won't
say
it
can't
be
done,
but
then
that's
a
challenge
yeah.
I
agree,
but
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you
and
maybe
sit
down
with
you
and
ashley
and
and
work
on
messaging,
and
you
know
I'm
you
can
come
ping
ashley
and
we
can
have
a
zoom
meeting
on
that
and
happy
to
work.
You
know
on
that.
B
Jake,
I
was
just
going
to
echo
commissioner
friedman's
response
that
the
city
could
take
action
as
an
example
by
not
working
during
daylight
hours,
and
you
know
all
of
the
routine
and
even
going
on
one
of
our
local
tv
networks
and
they're
doing
a
lot
of
studies
on
the
salton
sea.
That
would
be
a
great
tie-in
to
talk
about
water
use
in
the
future.
It
doesn't
have
to
tie
into
the
state,
but
just
encourage
remind
people
encourage
people.
C
And
I
would
add
that
the
energy
code
actually
regulates
the
amount
of
water,
that's
used
in
new
houses,
and
so
the
issue
is
largely
and
in
fact
just
go
back
to
the
my
my
proposal.
One
of
the
proposals,
while
it
deals
with
ghg
emissions,
the
water
heating
package
also
includes,
as
part
of
the
package,
low
flow
shower
and
faucets,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
that.
C
That's
something
we
can
do,
and
obviously
you
know
to
work
with
dwa
on
messaging
and
whether
they
would
have
rebates
for
that
sort
of
thing,
so
that
that
that's
part
of
the
proposal
but
new
new
developments
are
actually
quite
water
efficient
and
we
have
the
water
efficient
landscaping
ordinance
for
any
new
development.
So
the
issue
is
more
existing
homes
and
the
people
who
are
complaining
probably
can
complain
less
and
take
air
their
own
homes.
E
Was
just
gonna
double
down
on
the
be
proactive
about
it?
I
think
what
people
don't
like
are
restrictions
and
if
we
promote
judicious
water
use,
I
think
that's
a
great
message
to
just
show
that,
like
it's
a
lifestyle
of
living
in
a
desert,
as
opposed
to
like
you,
have
to
adjust
your
water
use
under
drought
like
restrictions,
this
isn't
like
these
shouldn't
be
intermittent
behaviors,
which
is
tends
to
be
when
we
have
these
drought
restrictions
that
come
out.
It's
always
like,
oh
well,
I
do
this.
E
For
now
we
won
the
challenge,
but
then
we
continue
to
go
and
spray
leaves
off
my
sidewalk,
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
kind
of
promote
sort
of
the
low
hanging
fruit
again
across
the
hoas
etc.
I
went
on
a
walk
this
morning
watched
the
maintenance
people
scrubbing
palm
like
stuff
sap
off
of
the
sidewalk.
It's
like.
E
Is
this
really
the
highest
and
best
it's
what
they
ask
for,
because
the
palm
the
the
the
berries
will
fall
on
the
sidewalk
and
the
hoa
requires
them
to
go
and
scrub
all
the
sidewalks
in
our
property,
and
it's
like
they
do
it
in
the
morning
and
I'm
like.
Why
are
you
doing
this
and
I
didn't
ask
them
because
obviously
they're
just
there
to
do
their
job,
but
I
just
feel
like
whatever
we
can
do
to
find
ways
to
promote
judicious
water
use
and
be
responsible
stewards
of
water.
I
think,
is
a
really
good
thing.
G
So
I
just
did
a
comment
to
jake's
comment
and
that's
you
should
report
it.
They
have
a
whole
they've
got
a
really
cool
thing
online
for
you
to
report
activities
like
that,
and
I
do
it
on
a
fairly
regular
basis
because
just
walking
around
the
hood,
you
know
you
see
stuff
like
that
and
it's
it's
easy
to
shoot
it
in.
You
know
it's
not
just
to
ashley
it's
and
they
want
those.
They
want
that
information.
C
That's
movement
by
state
law
and
that
that
that's
been
forbidden
since,
since
the
last
drop
that
restriction.
G
E
E
So,
yes,
we
can
submit
fines,
I'm
just
trying
to
take
a
different
angle
and
like
not
stare
at
the
problem,
let's
promote
good,
behavior
and
model
that
and
say
this
is
what
we
are,
and
this
is
what
palm
springs
stands
for,
and
this
is
what
the
commission
is:
promoting
the
council
to
promote
across
the
city
so
that
we're
proactive
so
that
we're
not
waiting
for
the
state
and
the
governor
to
issue
a
restriction
requirement.
We've
already
prepared
our
community
to
say,
look
we're.
We
can
see
the
signs
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
rain.
E
B
F
C
Quickly,
the
dc
chew
up
period
for
solar
customers
ended
last
month.
The
dc
posted
information
explaining
the
process
on
their
website
and
patrick,
and
I
had
reviewed
that
and
thank
you,
patrick
for
your
comments.
The
ec
board
will
meet
next
monday
to
approve
its
fy
2122
budget
and
I'll
report.
Back
at
the
next
month's
commission
meeting
and
council
member
garner
sent
me
yesterday
a
recommendation
for
a
district
one
resident
for
the
community
advisory
committee.
I
emailed
the
person
that
council
member
garner
had
recommended
and
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back.
F
Any
questions
or
comments
for
david
on
dce,
so
the
final
item
on
the
agenda
is
commissioner's
comments
and
upcoming
agenda.
We'll
go
around
and
see
if
anybody
has
any
comments
or
suggestions
for
the
agenda
for
the
july
meeting
vice
chair
mccann,
do
you
have
any
parting
words?
I
I.
B
Do
simple
and
and
straightforward,
and
that's
to
thank
all
of
you
for
for
your
service
on
this
commission
since
we're
all
volunteers,
and
it's
all
our
own
time.
It
just
inspires
me
that
that
you
are
all
so
dedicated
to
do
this,
and
and
and
it's
a
I
don't
know,
it's
a
wonderful
comment
on
humanity,
I
think,
and
what
we,
what
we
like
about
our
community
and
and
how
we
try
to
make
it
better.
So
so,
congratulations
and
kudos
to
all
of
you,
too,.
B
Yes,
a
bit
of
good
news:
the
state
of
maine
just
passed
the
strongest
safeguards
against
neonics
in
the
nation,
including
banning
of
neonics
for
residential
landscaping,
so
think
about
that
residential
banning.
So
this
makes
the
new
england
states
the
largest
bee
friendly
block
of
states
in
the
country.
B
Sadly,
unlike
california,
they
do
not
produce
most
of
the
produce
or
grow
raise
the
most
dairy
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
90
of
the
world
almonds.
So
nor
are
they
in
the
path
of
the
butterfly
migrations
so
which
are
now
about
five
percent
of
their
population
and
are
officially
considered
extinct
so
not
to
give
up
on
this.
But
this
is
incredible
news
from
the
state
of
maine,
particularly
the
banning
of
these
products
for
residential
landscaping.
It's
a
wonderful,
wonderful
president,
so
good
news.
B
E
A
I
think
yeah
the
word
that
I've
gotten
so
far
is
there's
no
intention
to
change.
Yet
I
have
a
feeling
it'll
be
september.
B
F
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
people
if
they
have
people
to
nominate
to
provide
that
information
to
patrick
and
tracy
before
our
next
meeting
on
july
20th
and
at
that
meeting,
we'll
haven't,
have
an
election
for
chair
and
vice
chair.