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From YouTube: Public Arts Commission | Mar 17, 2021
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City of Palm Springs Public Arts Commission meeting, held March 17th, 2021
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Okay,
so
now
is
the
time
that
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
public
arts
commission
on
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
commission
and
agenda
items
if
the
member
of
the
public
cannot
be
present
later
in
the
meeting
at
the
time.
Each
item
is
heard
by
the
commission.
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Additionally,
members
of
the
public
may
address
the
commission
on
each
item
listed
on
the
posted
agenda
at
the
time.
Each
item
is
heard.
Although
the
public
arts
commission
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda
and
five
minutes
are
assigned
for
each
speaker.
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Great
hi
everyone,
and
thanks
so
much
it's
noel,
wax
spelt
n-o-e-l-w,
I'm
the
ceo
of
a
company
called
groundswell
group
and
what
we
do
at
least
pre-covered
was.
We
created
really
neat
activation
events
for
mostly
non-profits
and
charities
and
different
programs,
so
we're
presented
with
some
unique
opportunities
to
do
these
things
across
the
country
and
actually
globally.
So
I
had
approached
ann
recently
about
this
most
recent
campaign
that
we're
launching
across
the
country.
It
is
a
skin
cancer
awareness
program
on
the
date
of
may
1st.
We
are
going
to
be.
D
How
do
I
say
this
decorating
statues
across
the
country
and
I'll
show
you
what
the
deck,
what
it
looks
like
now,
we
actually
are
in
a
in
volume,
4
version
4
of
the
costume,
as
it
is
right
now.
It's
actually
a
banana
suit
that
we're
putting
on
statues
of
people
across
the
country.
Reason
for
a
banana
is
the
program
is
called.
We
are
not
bananas,
meaning
as
humans
we're
not
bananas.
D
We
don't
have
the
extra
layer
of
skin
to
protect
ourselves
from
the
sun,
so
the
banana
as
the
metaphor
of
an
extra
layer
of
skin
are
reminding
people
to
wear
skin
protection.
Sun
cream
during
the
sun
days
and
other
days
protect
their
skins
from
skin
cancer.
So
that's
the
theme.
I
know
it's
really
important
with
all
we
spoke
with
a
number
of
art
commissions
and
sculptors
and
parks
departments
across
the
country.
For
this
I
know
many
of
the
sort
of
the
concerns
that
come
up
is
what
kind
of
material
we'll
be
using.
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D
These
are
custom,
suits
that
we'll
be
making
based
on
the
actual
speck
and
dimension
of
the
statues
that
we're
working
with.
So
we
work
with
a
hollywood
costume
designer
it's
made,
partly
with
felt
and
then
foam
to
keep
the
core
intact
and
I'll
show
you
a
sample
of
that
as
well,
but
what
I
wanted
to
do,
and
just
leave
a
few
moments
for
a
question
as
well:
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
real
quickly,
so
I
can
show
you
all
some
of
the
statues.
Let
me
do
this
this
way.
D
E
D
Great,
so
what
this
is.
This
is
a
sample
of
some
of
the
statues
that
we're
working
with
across
the
country
here
we're
talking
about
the
sunny
bono
statue
that
anne
had
sent
me
an
image
of.
We
would
love
to
do
it
there.
Palm
springs
is
a
great
place
to
do
this
because
of
all
the
sun-related
activities,
but
just
so
you
can
see
this
is
a
a
glenn
frye
statue
in
winslow
arizona
such
a
fine
sight
to
see
its
girl,
my
lord
and
a
flatbed
ford.
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If
anyone
remembers
that
song,
we
have
a
popeye
statue
in
alma
arkansas,
we
have
bob's
big
boy
here
in
california,
the
original
site
of
the
bob
original
bob's,
big
boy.
Let's
see
we
have
this-
is
in
miami
a
keller
slater
surfer
statue
in
hawaii,
we're
doing
it
with
don
ho.
That's
the
statue
on
the
right
there,
popeye
statue,
so
it's
really!
You
know
this
is
colonel
sanders
in
corbin
kentucky,
so
some
really
fun
interesting,
unique
statues.
D
The
criteria
that
we're
looking
for
has
to
be
a
human
we're
approached
with
some
opportunities
to
do
statues
of
animals
and
that
didn't
quite
work.
Non-Political,
although
sonny
bono,
I
know,
was
the
mayor,
non-political
and
yes
sense-
of
what's
sort
of
going
on
out
there
right
now,
so
non-controversial
political
and
we're
not
doing
any
statues
of
african-american
or
black
figures.
D
Fortunately,
unfortunately,
because
of
the
potential
challenge
we
face
with
the
banana
and
the
metaphor
that
might
come
from
that
sort
of
staying
away
from
any
potential
conflicts
or
challenges,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
slippery
slope
with
what's
going
on
with
statues
in
the
public
and
politics
as
it
goes
right
now.
So
that's
what
we're
looking
at
and
then
I
want
to
share
with
you.
Let's
see
just
an
image
of
what
we're
talking
about
again.
This
is
here's
the
banana.
D
This
is
the
working
model
right
now,
so
you
can
see
what
it
looks
like
these
are
going
to
be
customized
for
each
the
signage
on
the
bottom
skin
cancer
awareness
month,
it's
the
entire
month
of
may,
but
this
will
be
on
on
may
1st,
literally
every
state
across
the
country.
In
some
cases,
multiple
cities
in
states
across
the
country
to
bring
awareness
and
tension
there'll
be
a
big
pr
campaign
around
it.
There'll,
be
some
images,
there'll
be
social
media
so
that
people
can
get
excited.
D
We
actually
spoke
today
with
a
jolly
green
giant
statue
which
is
60
feet
tall
in
minnesota
and
then
one
in
tulsa
oklahoma
at
the
tulsa
oklahoma
state
fairgrounds,
it's
a
75-foot
statue,
so
we've
got
some
work
ahead
of
us
to
custom
fit
these
these
banana
suits
for
all
the
statues.
Let
me
let
me
stop
and
pause
see
if
there's
any
questions,
but
this
is
what
we're
looking
to
do
and
hoping
to
do
with
the
sonny
bono
statue.
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D
D
Great,
so
that
is
so.
This
is
all
a
work
in
progress
with
this
sign
is
skin
care
awareness
month
and
there's
actually
a
call
we're
going
to
be
tied
in
with
the
skin
cancer
society,
we're
going
to
connect
with
local
non-profits
in
the
markets.
We're
activating
this,
but
a
very
simple
sign.
There
will
be
a
cure,
qr
code
on
that
sign,
which
has
gained
a
lot
of
popularity,
as
we
all
know,
especially
in
california,
when
you
pull
up
your
menu,
qr
code
will
link
directly
to
a
six
stage
piece
on
skin
cancer.
D
So
here's
the
things
to
look
for
at
the
six
phases
of
skin
cancer.
So
people,
if
they're
interested,
can
self-check
we'll
have
a
person,
a
human
being
there
to
actually
put
this
up
so
they're
caring
for
the
statue
and
sculptures
and
also
they'll,
be
there
on
on
site
on
may
1st.
Just
to
make
sure
if
anybody
comes
over
has
any
questions
we're
not
just
putting
the
banana
suit
up
and
then
walking
away.
So
very
simple,
straightforward
signage,
just
to
recognize
skin
cancer
awareness
month
to
make
people
aware
of
what's
going
on.
A
D
I
did
forget
to
mention
one
I
think
very
important
points.
We
are
making
a
contribution
as
part
of
these,
so
in
some
cases
where
it's
a
private
election,
we're
making
it
as
a
donation
or
call
it
a
sponsorship,
but
in
each
of
the
locations
we're
making
a
contribution
and
each
one
is
going
to
be
different,
but
that
can
range
from
hundreds
of
dollars
to
thousands
of
dollars
for
the
rights
to
do
that.
D
D
So
it's
underwritten
by
sun
bum,
which
is
a
treasure.
It's
a
they're,
a
skinny
air
company,
but
they're
not
their
brand
is
not
going
to
be
on
it
and
the
and
so
we're
leaving
they're
the
ones
that
are
underwriting
it
and
they're,
leaving
that
contribution
to
go
how
it
works
best
for
the
sculpture.
So
by
doing
this
in
50
states
they're
going
to
get
some
publicity
because
of
social
media
and
coverage
that
might
might
come
along
with
that
they're
underwriting
that
contribution
part
part
of
it.
F
D
Well
it
what's
on
the,
let
me
I'll
pull
that
back
up.
It's
it's!
It
is
the
logo.
They're
underwriting
you're,
absolutely
correct!
So
I
don't
it's
not
free
advertising
per
se.
That's
why
I
guess
that
contribution
is
part
of
it
for
a
sponsorship,
so
I
wouldn't
call
it
a
free
look,
because
there
is
money
to
pay
for
the
rights
to
do
it.
F
D
Not
because
it's
not
a
promotion
in
that
way,
it's
really
a
skin
cancer
awareness
program.
Some
have
asked
us
if
that's
something
that
can
be
done.
So
we
when
that,
when
that
happens,
we
just
bring
that
up
with
them
and
ask
if
they're
willing
to
do
that,
but
that's
not
part
of
the
plan,
because
it's
not
a
it's,
not
an
activation
in
the
way
of
giving
out
promo
items
or
t-shirts
or
that
sort
of
stuff.
It's
really
a
skin
cancer
and
they're
underwriting
a
skin
cancer
awareness
campaign.
E
D
No,
it
doesn't
go.
It
just
goes
up
to
that.
It's
an
image
or
a
pdf
file
that
shows
the
six
and
I
probably
should
have
that,
but
the
six
stages
of
skin
cancer
from
a
visual
perspective,
so
people
can
see
it's
an
educational
program,
so
people
can
see
along
which
of
these
six
phases
one
might
be
in
if
they're
looking
to
self-check
for
skin
cancer
and
I'll
circulate
that
around
through,
and
so
you
guys
can
see
exactly
what
that.
What
will
come
up
with
that.
D
Absolutely
it's
one
day
on
may
1st,
so
we
would
install
it
in
the
morning
and
take
it
off
at
the
end
of
the
day,
with
professional
installers,
it's
made
of
a
felt
and
foam
core,
so
it
actually
rests
on
the
there's.
No
adhesives,
there's
no
tape,
there's
no
glue,
it's
a
custom,
fit
suit!
Think
of
it
like
a
halloween
costume.
If
you
will
once
we
get
the
specs
and
measurements
we
have
our
wardrobe
designer
custom,
make
it
for
the
size
and
shape
some
of
our
statue
fittings.
Some
are
standing.
D
Some
arms
are
in
different
positions,
so
it's
it
just
lays
on
the
statue,
where
the
touch
points
are
very
lightweight
felt,
with
a
foam
that
helps
keep
its
it's
shaped,
so
it
actually
looks
like
a
banana
okay
thanks
just
for
the
one
day,
yeah
and
that's
the
question
we've
been
asked,
is
some
some
people
say
well?
Could
we
do
it
for
longer?
If
we
want
to
and
that's
another
thing
we
approach
our
you
know,
we
really
want
to
do
it
all
on
one
day
as
the
kickoff
to
skin
cancer
awareness
month.
G
G
This
particular
figure
as
well
in
this
community.
Maybe
there
may
also
be
some
issues
there.
I
just
think
we
need
you
know
I
I
I
I
don't.
I
also
think
as
a
as
a
practice,
I'm
not
specifically
against
this
idea,
but
as
a
practice
and
how
you
know
thinking
about
the
public
art
collection
as
something
that
you
can.
G
You
know
do
something
on
or
do
something
to.
I
know
public
monuments
and
the
authorship
behind
those
is
often
a
bit
masked
and
public
monuments
tend
to
have
a
different
relationship
to
communities
and
say
an
artwork
that
is
made
authored
by
someone
and
is
presented
as
a
work
of
art.
But
I
just
I
I
have
some
apprehension
about
the
idea
of
you
know
activating
by
putting
something
on
on
an
artwork
or
sculpture.
I
just
I
have
some
concerns
about
that.
Generally.
That
said,
I
understand
that
this
is
a
relatively
safe
material.
A
A
G
Is
that
something
that
has
other
connotations?
That
may
be
something
we
want
to
consider
as
a
just
a
general
thought.
You
know
you
know,
or
maybe
that's
what
the
goal
of
the
campaign
is
to
engender
like
great
conversation
around
this
subject
around
you
know,
draw
attention
in
a
fun
and
playful
way
to
a
topic
that
is
actually
like
pretty
important,
but
anyway,
these
are
just
thoughts
I'm
having.
So.
Thank.
G
E
A
That
wasn't
that
wasn't
what
I
meant
by
pointing
it
out.
What
I
meant
was
that
the
same
kinds
of
questions
we've
all
been
thinking
about
about
some
of
the
installations
for
desert
x
and
what
you
know.
If
we
we
often
say
that
we
would
like
art
to
engender
conversation,
and
but
it's
it's
it's
hard
to
sort
of
frame
it
correctly,
so
that
what
people
are
talking
about
is
skin
cancer,
for
example.
E
E
B
B
We
had
a
similar
concern
with
the
mass
somebody
was
putting
masks
on
our
sculptures
here
in
cathedral
city.
They
were
putting
them
on
the
lalo,
guerrero,
sculpture
and
a
couple
of
others
masks.
Obviously,
for
obvious
concerns,
the
concern
was
less
about
the
mask
and
more
that
there
was
some
political
statement
on
the
mask.
So
there
was,
it
was
just
a
day.
B
It
was
a
photo
shoot
and
then
it
was
done
so
I
I
think
it's
an
interesting
we're
having
this
conversation
about
the
skin
cancer
concerns,
but
I
also
understand
the
concerns
about
commercialization
of
public
art,
but
I
do
think
that,
since
this
gentleman
is
offering
to
give
some
kind
of
compensation
that
may
be
considered
a
way
to
deflect
that
it's
being
it's
contributing
to
the
public
good,
that's
just
my
my
my
opinion.
Thank
you.
H
A
H
Yeah
a
couple
of
things,
alan,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
just
for
well,
you
mentioned
african-americans
and
blacks
and
statues,
and
you
know
that's
not
a
black
issue.
That's
an
american
issue
just
to
you
know
correct
that
if
you
will
and
what's
going
on
with
statues
in
america,
I
think
a
question
that
would
come
up
in
addition
to
that
here
in
palm
springs
is
that
there
are
no
black
statues
or
statues
of
blacks
in
palm
springs.
H
What
the!
Lastly,
what
the
the
stats
are
with
african
americans
and
skin
cancer
is,
I
don't
know,
but
I
hope
that
some
kind
of
education
would
come
out
through
this,
if
not
through
clinical
trials
or
whatever
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
just
caution
you
to
be
careful
with
that
when
there
are
african-americans
at
the
table,
suggesting
that
the
issues
surrounding
statues
in
america
is
a
black
issue,
it's
not
it's
an
american
issue.
A
A
A
So
I
why
don't?
I
I'll
propose
something.
I
propose
that
we
continue
to
work
with
noel
on
this
project,
including
finding
out
what
sort
of
land
use
a
temporary
use
permit.
We
would
have
to
get
to
use
this
sculpture.
Secondly,
resolving
some
of
the
issues
about
the
commercial
logo.
It's
interesting.
Our
mural
ordinance
clearly
says
that
no
mural
can
have
any
advertising
logo
name
of
company.
A
C
Is
there
is,
I
guess,
like
everyone
else,
I
support
this
idea
of
bringing
awareness
to
skin
cancer.
I
mean.
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
pos?
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
no
is
there
a,
would
you
consider
doing
some
other
type
of
event?
That
does
not
involve
a
public
art
piece
or
is
like
this?
That's
the
whole
point
of
your
campaign.
D
Yeah,
so
this
one
is
it's
just:
it
isn't
going
to
be
on
sculpture.
So
that's
what
we've
committed
to.
We
can
definitely
not
have
any
marks
for
the
brand
associated
with
the
public
presentation
of
that.
So
as
I'm
thinking,
if
we
have
a
qr
code
on
that
that
goes
to
that
one
page
of
here's,
your
information,
you
need
to
know
about
skin
cancer
and
maybe
on
that
there
could
be
a
logo.
So
there's
no
presence
on
the
statue
or
sculpture
absolutely.
H
D
And
there's
also
ways
that
we're
talking
to
different
groups
about
customizing
the
banana
look,
so
it's
most
appropriate
for
the
statue
in
some
cases
we're
doing
a
hat.
We
have
dolly
parton
we're
doing
something
that
goes
over
her
guitar,
so
that's
an
option
as
well.
If
it's
not
just
like,
we
have
to
put
the
whole
banana
suit
over
whatever
and
it
can
be
any
statue.
I
don't
know
here
we're
talking
about
sonny
bono.
I
heard
you
know.
Golfer
statue
come
up
or
that
sort
of
a
thing.
D
G
F
A
Does
is
there?
Are
there
at
least
two
commissioners
that
would
like
to
continue
to
talk
with
noel
and
come
up
with
a
plan
that
either
we
just
if
it
has
the
elements
that
we've
talked
about?
They
can
then
go
and
see
about
the
use
permit
or
we
can
bring
it
back
to
it.
The
next
meeting,
though,
is
until
april
17th.
C
D
This
one
is
is
a
bit
of
intention
getting.
We
spoke
with
a
number
of
sculptors
and
it's
a
it's
a
mixed
bag.
Believe
me,
this
isn't
the
first
we've
heard
where
there's
some
potential
conflict
or
concern
some
sculptors
you've
talked
to
have
said.
Yes,
art
is
about
that
and
to
try
to
draw
conversations
out
and
those
sorts
of
things
and
others
said
not
on
my
statue.
Don't
you
dare,
but
it.
This
is
the
idea
that
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
A
A
All
right,
so
I
actually
have
some
very
good
things
to
report
which
I
would
like
to
do
and
then,
after
we
get
all
the
committee
reports,
I'd
like
us
to
talk
about
what
we
want
to
accomplish
for
the
rest
of
this
term,
which
is
through
june.
So
keep
that
in
mind
as
we're
doing.
But
I
am
happy
to
report
that
the
chris
myers
piece
on
the
topwitz
median
has
been
approved
by
the
city
council.
A
It
will
be
installed
sometime
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
I
met
the
artist
and
he
is
really
just
terrific
to
talk
to
and
is
going
to
do
some
public
programs
and
is
working
on
an
ai
component
to
this,
where,
when
you
again
as
two
years
ago,
with
desert,
if
you
look
through
your
phone
and
see
changed
images
or
more
images
or
whatever.
A
A
For
a
total-
and
I'm
not
sure,
we've
accounted
for
everything,
but
the
total
right
now
is
90
000.
of
money.
That's
gone
directly
to
artists
that
doesn't
count
what
we
paid
for
paint
which
we'll
add
in
there,
but
it's
it's
very
gratifying
to
see
and
we're
trying
we're
putting
together
a
really
a
good
pictorial
report
for
the
council,
with
all
the
benches
and
all
the
activations
and
and
a
little
later
in
the
meeting,
we'll
hear
how
the
electric
boxes
are
doing
and
that's
still
part
of
it.
A
No
one
said
anything
differently,
so,
as
you
saw,
I
did
send
out
a
note,
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
have
submitted
applications
as
as
long
as
two
years
ago,
and
so
we
wrote
to
see
how
many
of
them
were
still
interested
and
we've
had
two
people
say.
Thank
you,
I'm
you
know
I'm
no
longer
interested,
but
we
will
have
four
vacancies
on
the
commission,
and
so
I
hope
all
of
you
will
try
to
recruit
some
people
to
come
and
no
one
could
replace
you
but
to
carry
on
what
we've
been
doing
all
right.
A
A
A
Okay-
let's
see
yes,
okay,
we've
talked
about
this
on
and
off
for
a
long
time
trying
to
figure
out
after
we've
done
so
many
murals
since
2018,
when
the
mural
ordinance
was
revised
to
have
fewer
boards
and
commissions
approve
each
mural,
but
still
require
approval
by
the
public
arts
commission
than
a
public
hearing.
Then
a
staff
report
on
a
city
council
vote.
A
But
it's
still,
we've
had
lots
of
non-profits
want
to
do
murals
and
the
cost
of
applying
is
still
a
lot,
and
so,
in
some
cases
we've
we've
paid
their
fees
in
a
lot
of
cases,
we've
helped
them
find
artists.
We've
helped
advise
them.
How
to
do
this,
so
basically,
every
pretty
much
every
mural,
except
for
maybe
sephora,
which
was
a
on
a
commercial
property,
has
had
our
hand
in
it.
I
mean
basically,
we've
been
either
encouraging
or
doing
the
murals,
and
so,
if
you
go
through
all
the
whereases
after
that,
there
we
go.
A
A
I
arbitrarily
picked
18
months,
but
we
can
discuss
that.
But
the
problem
is,
we
know
that
murals
fade
and
they
get
graffiti
and
it
it
seems
to
me
that
we
should
take
a
look
at
them
after
18
months
anyway
to
see
if
they
should
be
repaired
or
repainted,
and
just
to
say
that
this
this
would
apply
to
murals
that
are
made
of
paint
or
tiles
again.
The
the
one
at
sephora
was
a
some
kind
of
a
plastic
board
over
it.
A
A
C
C
A
Those
things
into
into
account
in
approving
it
and
and
we
do
the
only
issue-
would
be.
Let's
say
it
was
a
tile
mural.
I
think
you'd
want
the
you
know
the
building
department
or
whatever
to
just
approve
how
it's
being
attached,
so
it
doesn't
fall
off,
but
you
know
we
were
able.
We've
been
able
to
do
things
like
the
the
mural
of
amanda
gorman
in
a
timely
fashion.
San
francisco
had
a
mural
up
five
days
after
the
inauguration.
C
C
A
So
you
know
this
is
our
way,
our
appeal
to
the
city
council
to
recognize
what
we've
been
able
to
do,
partly
because
of
covid
and
partly
because
we
were
trying
to
move
quickly,
but
the
results
have
been
great.
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
more
art
downtown
than
we
did
the
benches.
We
were
able
to
do
because
there's
no
bench
ordinance
but
murals
have
you
know
they.
A
They
were
singled
out
when
the
ordinance
was
written
because
there
were
some
problematic
ones,
but
in
those
days
the
arts
commission
never
saw
them
at
all.
They
just
had
to
go
through
the
whole
process
and
the
planning
commission
and
the
architectural
review
board
and
everybody
else.
So
this
is
to
say,
if
you
like
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
three
years,
please
give
future
commissions
the
ability
to
do
this,
we're
going
to
have
to
go
lobby
for
it.
I
think.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
comments?
Yeah.
B
So
with
this,
I'm
100
behind
this
being
presented
to
city
council
as
an
amendment
to
the
mural
ordinance,
the
mural
ordinance
still
stays
in
place,
but
it
gives
us
the
arts
commission
the
opportunity
to
do
murals,
as
is
the
case
of
the
amanda
gorman
mural.
We
could
have
done
that
quicker
more
easily.
It's
just
because
we
are
the
arts
commission.
We
should
be
allowed
to
do
this
sort
of
thing,
because
if
they
recognize
the
ones
that
we
have
done
in
the
last
few
years,
they
certainly
should
they've
been.
B
The
city
council
certainly
realized
we're
not
going
to
do
extremely
objectionable
murals.
They
will
certainly
elicit
some
public
comments
because
public
art
does
that
sort
of
thing.
But
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
thing
to
have
city
council
consider
as
an
amendment
to
the
mural
ordinance
to
give
us
more
freedom
and
the
availability
to
do
murals
in
a
more
timely
fashion.
A
E
I
would
just
maybe
I
would
recommend
adding
the
mural
is
creating
paint
or
it
should
maybe
be
ceramic
tile.
So
it's
not
some
other
kind
of
metal
tile
or
if
that's
kind
of
what
you
were
thinking,
because
I
would
like
to
include
ceramic
tile
or
you
know,
let
the
material
just
be
more,
you
know
not
defined,
and
then
I
would
just
like
to
ask
to
add-
maybe
number
four,
which
would
be
you
know
if
we're
not
paying
for
the
mural
that
whoever
pays
for
it.
E
E
Well,
the
way
this
is
written
it
says,
commissioned
by
or
sponsored
so
it
seems
like
we,
you
know
if,
like
well
in
the
desert,
came
to
us
and
said
they
want
to
do
this
mural
and
we
would
say:
hey
we'll
sponsor
it.
We
can
sponsor
it
with
zero
dollars,
they
pay
for
it,
but
we
kind
of
put
our
you
know
our
high
sign
on
it
and
then
they
would
have
to
pay
for
any
like
graffiti
removal
or
anything
I
mean.
A
C
Can
I
just
add,
I
walked
by
the
saint
paul's
mural
just
a
few
days
ago,
and
it
really-
and
it
looks
great
yes,
okay,
like
whatever
paint
they
used
and
whatever
you
know.
I
mean
it's
like
it's
holding
up
really
well,
it's
facing.
You
know
it's
right,
you
know
got
a
lot
of
sun
and
stuff
on
it.
So
so
that's
it
yeah.
So
that
would
be
a
really
good
example.
Tracy,
I
think,
of
what
you're.
A
C
C
C
A
That
is
one.
That
is
one
reason
for
the
18
months
and
if
I
mean
it
could
be
a
year,
there's
some
amount
of
time
after
which
someone
should
look
at
these
murals
and
decide
if
they
need
something
done
to
them,
because
there's
still
that
mural,
as
you
drive
into
town
with
the
sunglasses
that
you
know,
nobody
owns
the
building
anymore.
E
A
H
H
A
B
A
B
I
think
it's
not
always
easy
to
know
being
part
of
this
commission
how
much
of
a
buzz
is
throughout
the
valley,
with
what
you're
doing
here
with
the
murals
with
the
especially
the
benches
in
cathedral
city.
They
now
are
talking
about
some
of
the
things
you're
doing
you're,
taking
real
strong
leadership
skills,
and
you
know,
which
is
why
I'm
so
interested
in
being
part
of
this
commission.
B
So
that's
just
making
a
note
about
it,
but
just
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
there
is
a
feeling
of
embracing
our
here
and
that
isn't
always
the
case.
In
other
commissions,
you
know
the
way
you
handle
these
concerns,
the
just
this
conversation
about
murals
and
the
permanence
of
the
temporary
nature
of
it.
It's
just
a
great
it's,
it's
a
it's,
it's
great
as
an
artist.
Our
other
artists
really
appreciate
that
willingness
to
listen
and
and
to
and
to
engage
fully.
Thank
you.
A
A
Yes,
the
word
ceramic:
if
you
jot
that
down
jay
I'll
change
it
on
the
actually,
I
think
what
I
sent.
You
is
a
word
document,
so
you
could
even
change
it
all
right.
All
in
favor
of
the
resolution
asking
for
amendments
to
the
mural
ordinance,
please
indica,
let's
take
a
roll
call
vote
jay.
You
want
to.
F
H
E
A
Yes,
all
right!
Thank
you
guys,
I
think
in
in
you
know,
in
the
next
month,
or
so
we
may
have
occasion
to
try
to
make
our
case
before
the
city
council,
either
with
public
comments
or
if
they
have
a
hearing.
We're
allowed
to
comment
at
a
hearing
and,
in
the
meantime,
we're
going
to
try
to
just
send
in
an
amazing
report
that
on
what
we've
been
able
to
do,
it's
really
impressive.
A
Last
february,
we
voted
to
do
mini
grants.
Having
no
idea
that
this
is
the
way
you
know
we
would
have
to
operate
plus
along
the
way
we've
approved
a
few
murals
and
we've
we've
done
some
other
projects,
but
what
we
did
with
these
mini
grants
is
really
impressive
and
also
what
I
think
alan
is
correct.
A
A
A
B
But
I
want
to
throw
that
out
to
the
commission
if
we
have
an
interest
in
continuing
just
with
this
last
chunk
of
benches.
There
are
seven
of
them
in
total,
so
the
budget
would
be
9
000,
that's
7,
000
for
the
benches
500
for
material
and
1500
for
tyson
to
supervise
the
project.
So
I
wanted
to
get
a
direction
for
the
commission.
If
we
think
that's
something
we
should
proceed
with,
and
I
guess
we'd
have
to
put
it
on
our
calendar
for
next
month
to
actually
vote
on
it.
E
E
A
A
A
A
C
C
A
App
yeah
I
mean
just
so.
We
sent
them
pictures
of
everything,
and
I
think
you
know
they're
they're
gonna
launch
it
soon,
and
I
think
it
really
will
showcase
what's
been
going
on
so
the
but
the
bench
project
just
turned
out
to
be.
You
know
I
mean
we
really
did
from
top
to
bottom
of
palm
canyon
and
the
convention
center
and
the
airport,
the
city
hall
benches,
were
temporary
and
we're
hoping
to
actually
get
them
moved.
A
Cindy
we've
been,
we
we
found
another
home
for
the
benches
and
we're
hoping
they
can
be
moved
so
that
the
issue
is
settled
about
whether
they
go
with
the
building
or
not.
But
anyway
it
turned
into
you
know.
If
there's
something
appealing
to
people
about,
especially
because
you
just
find
them
on
every
block
and
each
one
is
different
and
they're
fun.
A
F
Yes,
sarah
has
talked
me
off
the
ledge
as
well
as
tyson.
I
got
the
votes
in
she
sent
me
the
link.
We
got
voters
yay
we're
now
in
the
process
of
picking
where
the
boxes
are
going.
I
had
a
long
conversation
with
tyson
today
he
is
going
to
help
me.
I
talked
to
sarah
I'm
going
to
basically
the
location
plus
the
whatever
bench.
I
want
there
and
get
like
a
whole
spreadsheet
going
now
that
we
have
the
votes
and
we're
gonna
work
it
out.
F
So
it's
going
well
so
far
so
good
and
hopefully
we
can
get
like
paint
on
boxes
before
the
end
of
the
month.
The
other
thing
was
russell
said
it
first,
but
I
also
had
an
idea
of
doing
the
live
painting,
which
also
includes
tyson.
There's
a
utility
box.
That's
on
the
joj
property.
That's
right
in
front
of
the
wishing!
F
Well,
not
right
in
front
of
the
wishing
well
is
here,
and
the
utility
box
is
kind
of
off
to
the
side
and
we
could
do
a
live
paint
demonstration
with
him
painting
that
particular
utility
box.
I
talked
to
him
about
that
months
ago
and
now,
hopefully
we
can
hopefully
get
it
maybe
a
weekend
that
he
can
do
it.
I
would
have
to
get
a
drawing
from
him
and
approval
from
parks
and
recs,
as
well
as
the
neighborhood
action
committee.
F
I
would
love
to
invite
her
to
one
of
our
public
arts
meeting
after
we
get
that
presentation
together,
so
we
can
pitch
it
to
public
art,
so
public
art
can
also
assist
us
on
and
continuing
to
beautify
that
park,
and
I
could
also
get
philip
back
in
town
with
the
bears
in
order
to
do
that
trash
can,
that
is
on
the
basketball
park
park.
That's
in
the
juxtaposition
of
wishing
well
for
another
weekend
if
they
wanted
to
do
another
live
art.
So.
F
Out
that
particular
bear
was
in
the
graffiti
park
and
there
was
like
there
was
two
artists
that
did
it.
I
haven't
been
down
there
to
see
that
they
were
painted
over,
but
the
I
asked
russell
like:
where
could
he
do
it
and
he's
like?
Oh
the
graffiti
park,
and
I
understand
that
street
art
has
a
life
span,
but
it
was
so
beautiful
that
I
guess
someone
got
upset
when
they
didn't
see
it
anymore.
So,
hopefully
maybe
we
can
get
something
for
philip
to
come
back
out
again.
F
I
reached
out
to
him
he's
just
waiting
for
dates
that
he
can
come
back
out
like
if
we
throw
some
dates
out
for
him
to
do
the
live
painting
for
that
as
well
as
to
do
the
stuff
downtown
as
well.
Maybe
we
could
have
him
coincide
with
marilyn
and
doing
a
live
painting
down
there
while
maryland's
getting
installed.
I
don't
know,
but.
A
A
Is
I
think
that
our
original
thought
for
the
graffiti
park
was
that
we
would
have
artists?
Do
it,
artists
that
you
know
were
good
at
this
and,
of
course
there
are
other
artists
who
see
a
place
to
do
their
own
work
and
there's
there
is
graffiti
on
the
graffiti
or
or
surfaces
that
weren't
covered,
but
I,
if
anyone
knows
who's,
painting
them
out,
I
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
know.
B
F
F
C
A
B
C
A
C
A
A
And
you
know
this
goes
back
to
something
that
mara
said
in
the
beginning.
There
are
statues
that,
whose
essence
is
what
they
represent,
not
whether
they're
good
art
I
mean
one
could
argue
that
the
statue
of
mayor
bogart
is
not
a
particularly
distinguished
piece
of
art.
You
know
a
man
on
horseback,
but
it's
the
the
controversy
over
him
is
what
he
represents,
who
he
was
and
the
same
with
marilyn
I
mean
there
is
sue.
Johnson
is
a
very
well-respected
artist
and
he's
done
lots
of
large-scale
sculptures
all
over
the
place.
C
So
well,
and
now
it
has
this
other
layer
of
meaning,
which
is
all
the
the
tourism
leads
that
it
generated
and
the
buzz
that
it
generated
when
it
was
here
before.
So
it's
like
this
whole
extra
layer
of
you
know
of
meaning
symbolic,
meaning
that
is
attached
to
it
because
she
was
here
before
you
know.
So
that's.
A
And
I
think
the
the
question
of
where
something
like
that
goes
and
whether
the
city
puts
it
there
is
is
up
to
the
city
council
clearly,
but
there
are
times
when
we
think
something's,
a
really
terrific
piece
of
art
and
the
city
council
either
doesn't
like
where
it's
going
or
what
it
represents.
And
then
I
think
you
know
we
there's
a
lot
more
questions.
We
need
to
talk
about
what's
the
role
of
the
arts
commission,
but
I
think
our
role
is
if.
G
A
In
fact,
you
know
when
I
mentioned
before
that
I
would
like
this
commission
to
leave
some
sort
of
long-range
plans
for
the
next
year
or
two.
What
we
might
do
is
have
a
special
meeting
where
we
can
discuss
this,
and
you
know
we
wrote
we
three
years
ago,
I
think,
or
four
years
ago
we
rewrote
our
mission
statement
and
it
has
a
lot
of
this
in
it
and
that
especially
some
of
the
wordsmithing
was
done
by
mara,
and
I
think
it's
time
to
look
at
it
again
and
reapprove
it
and
try
to
leave
it.
A
A
You
know
we're
trying
to
do
the
maintenance
work
and
the
catch-up
and
the
you
know
I'd
like
to
leave
the
next
commission,
which
we'll
have
some
carryover,
but
four
out
of
seven
of
us
are
leaving.
So
it's
you
know
anyway,
I'd
like
to
leave
them
with
a
vision
for
what
what
can
be
done.
So
if
it's,
if
it's
okay
with
you
we'll
schedule
a
special
meeting,
and
we
only
have
three
meetings
left
so
we
can.
We
can
try
to
think
forward
now,
we'd
like
to
get
out
of
here
by
seven.
A
Sarah
is,
she
is
posted
on
the
chat.
If
you
look
the
report
on
the
benches
and
she's
just
about
done
with
reports
on
the
various
kinds
of
mini
grants
and
we'll
just
we'll
send
them
out
to
everybody
it
it's
a
it's
a
lot.
I
mean
it's
56
different
projects,
we've
paid
56
artists,
so
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
we
didn't
forget
anything.
E
Just
make
two
I'll
just
make
a
little
comment:
I'm
gonna
have
more
for
the
next
meeting,
so
I'll
leave
most
of
it,
but
on
the
grants
and
on,
hopefully,
a
neighborhood
grant
for
the
school
project.
So
we
are
finishing
up
the
class
on
friday
and
what
inspirational
students
there
are.
So
we
don't.
I
don't
have
any
visuals
we
can
share
yet
until
they
turn
the
work
in,
but
we
had
some
of
these
students
present
today
and
it
just
was
amazing.
A
And
maybe
matching
up
neighborhoods
that
want
some
art
with
the
kids
would
be
a
way
to
do
it.
I
forgot
to
mention
that
the
little
tuscany
neighborhood
is
now
asked
for
our
help,
with
a
neighborhood
grant
to
commission
one
or
more
sort
of
markers,
as
you
go
into
the
neighborhood
that
express
the
the
neighborhood
in
some
way.
A
G
Yes,
go
ahead,
mara!
Go
ahead!
Oh
sorry,
yeah!
I'm
sorry,
I'm
on
a
phone,
so
I
can't
see
it
sorry.
I
just
want
to
first
thank
all
the
commissioners
for
all
your
great
work
on
all
these
projects.
I
feel,
like
I
haven't
acknowledged
all
this.
Like
amazing
stuff,
you
guys
are
doing
and
I'm
so
glad
to
be
part
of
this
team.
G
The
first
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
the
human
rights
commission
actually
passed
an
apology
for
section
14
at
its
last
meeting,
which
I'm
assuming
will
be
presented
to
city
council
fairly
soon.
So
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
because
I
think
this
came
up
in
a
previous
meeting
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
was
aware
of
that,
because
I
know
that
there
were
some
thoughts
that
other
commissioners
had
about.
Possibly
you
know
utilizing
that
not
for
plaques,
but
also
for
you
know,
integrating
it
into
potential
arts
projects.
G
G
He's
part
of
you
know
the
the
the
black
art
scene
that
emerged
in
the
60s
and
70s
he
is
has
done
important,
significant
murals
in
los
angeles
and
southern
california-
and
he
also
you
know,
maybe
about
eight
or
ten
years
ago,
did
actually
restore
an
important
mural
in
l.a
in
ceramic
tile.
So
with
the
new
attention
towards
the
great
beauty
of
the
james
o,
jesse
desert,
island
unity
center
and
the
park
that
has
been,
I
think
attention
has
been
drawn
to
with
the
desert
x
project.
G
I
think
it's
a
very
good
opportunity
to
really
think
about
talking
with
the
neighborhood
association
about
how
we
potentially
do
some
fundraising
for
that
project
or
look
into
our
coffers,
and
you
know
we
have
them.
The
public
arts
commission
has
them
and
really
think
of,
has
funding
and
really
think
about
how
we
can
restore
this
important
mural
for
this
community,
because
I
will
say
if
this
and
a
mural,
this
kind
of
importance
was
somewhere
downtown,
it
would
have
already
been
restored
and
I
think
we
as
a
commission.
G
A
G
No,
it
doesn't,
and-
and
let
me
just
make
another
just
point
about
this-
you
know
we
need
to
preserve
our
histories
and
our
heritage.
This
was
created
in
the
late
80s,
oh
no
starting
the
late
90s
when
palm
springs
was
still
not
in
the
best
socio.
You
know
socioeconomic
place
as
it
is
now.
It
was
still
it
was
coming
out
of
it
right
and
it
was
so.
G
It
does
signal
an
important
moment
in
the
palm
springs
history,
this
sort
of
turnaround,
and
it
also-
and
it
represents
that
for
just
a
lot
of
different
reasons.
Historically,
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
about
this
mural
as
a
historical
artifact
that
needs
to
be
preserved
and
now
that
we
also
have
contracted
with
alicia
thomas
who
can
bring
her
expertise
into
this
process
I
just
and
to
this
evaluation
of
the
materials.
I
just
think
we
have
a
great
opportunity,
and
so
I
just
thank
you
just
wanted
to.
A
G
E
Yeah
we
talked
about
this
at
our
like
subcommittee
meeting
and,
and
that
day
we
kind
of
drove
around
too
and
how
you
know
now
he's
been
able
to
restore
some
of
his
murals
with
tile
to
make
it.
You
know
more
durable,
especially
on
that
wall,
and
you
know,
maybe
make
it
a
a
better
price
point
or
whatever
you
know
make
it
up,
make
the
ability
to
have
him
restore
it.
The
way
he's
doing
the
things
now
versus
you
know
have
some
other
artists
paint
over
it,
which
wasn't.
G
I
think
I
think
that's
exactly
right.
I
think
that's
exactly
right.
You
know
the
artist
is
still
alive
and
he's
still
available
and
he
can
restore
it
in
a
way
he
understand.
They're.
You
know
we
have
new
awareness
of
the
issues
of
the
desert.
He's
already
done
some
work
in
tile,
but
I
also
think
you
know
we
should
we
shouldn't
these.
This
is
you
know
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
G
Then
you
know
that
seems
like
the
right
kind
of
cost
for
something
that's
made
in
tile,
and
so
I
just
think
we
just
need
to
fundraise
for
it
or
look
into
what
our
current
funding
situation
at
the
palm
springs.
Art
commission
and
just
make
it
a
priority,
make
it
a
priority.
We're
spending
this
city
is
spending
a
million
dollars
on
a
maryland
sculpture.
G
Why
can't
we
spend
ten
percent
of
that
to
preserve
something
that
is
so
important
to
so
many
year-round
residents
here
who
are
unfortunately
not
acknowledged
in
the
monuments
and
public
art
that
you
know
this
city
currently
has
I
just
I
really
I'm
just
feeling
very
strongly
about
it.
So
just
as
an
fyi,
I
have
sent
an
email
to
the
artist's
studio,
but
if
anyone
else
has
been
in
contact,
I
would
welcome.
We
should
have
a
conversation
further
conversation.
A
G
E
A
A
A
E
F
Do
it
just
make
them
for
free
hang
on?
I
would
love
to
get
a
qr
code
for
the
restoration
of
the
mural
as
well
as
the
bench
and
and
that-
and
we
were
just
talking
today
when
I
was
up
at
the
j
talking
about
how
we
can
go
about
getting
restored.
We
also
may
be
able
to
get
funds
from
this
garden,
master
garden,
people
and
parks
and
recs
and
get
everybody
on
board
in
order
to
do
it.
F
So
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
call
a
meeting
have
mara
there
get
the
artist
and
let's
get
this
up
and
going
as
soon
as
possible,
because
people
were
out
there
playing
basketball
today
and
they
were
complaining
about
how
bad
the
mural
was
and-
and
it
was
really
heartbreaking
and
then
jarvis
came
out.
And
I
was
talking
to
him
about
like
what
we
wanted
to
do,
because
if
we're
revitalizing
the
area
with
all
these
different
vignettes
of
art
and
that's
the
most
prominent
a
prominent.
H
F
A
But
I
I
think
it's
our
responsibility
as
the
arts
commission,
and
we
have
the
funds
to
do
it
and
we
should
do
it.
I
mean
we
have
a
much
better
sense
of
than
we
did
three
four
years
ago
whenever
that
was
about
what
we
needed
to
do,
to
preserve
the
art
that
we
have
as
well
as
acquire
new
art
and
russell,
can
tell
you
shonda
how
he
got
the
qr
code
set
up
for
amanda
gorman.
B
E
A
F
A
F
A
Right
we're
keeping
jay
and
cindy,
so
I
must
say
it's
really
great
to
have
time
to
talk
about
these
things,
and
so
I
think
we
should
set
ourselves
up
with
a
with
a
special
meeting
to
talk
about
these.
You
know
sort
of
goals
that
we
have
going
forward
and
and
leave
a
road
map
for
the
new
commissioners,
because
we've
been
wandering
around
for
the
last
three
years
and
we
hit
on
some
very
good
ideas
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
we
just
couldn't
get.
A
B
A
Great
and
we
would
love
to
have
some
input
before
the
draft
budget,
because
you
know
it
still
has
categories
that
we
don't
use
and
it
doesn't
have
categories
that
we
do,
and
that
just
means
there's
a
lot
of
work.
You
know
moving
the
money
around,
but
if,
if
we
look
at
the
last
two
or
three
years
you
can
see
that
you
know,
contracted
services,
you
know
are
are
more
likely
to
be
used
than
staff.
You
know,
so
you
might
as
well.
Have
it
show
that
all
right,
commissioner,
yani.