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A
B
B
A
C
A
That
can
mm-hmm
any
discussion
on
the
agenda
all
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
audience.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
public
comment.
Members
of
the
public
may
address
the
historic
site,
Preservation
Board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
board.
Although
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
There
will
be
three
minutes
assigned
for
each
speaker.
A
Testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing
and
we
do
not
have
a
public
hearing
today.
So
this
is
the
only
opportunity
for
members
of
the
audience
to
address
the
board,
so
we
will
open
the
public
comment
and
any
members
that
would
like
to
address
the
board.
Please
come
forward
all
right,
seeing
none.
We
will
close
the
public
hearing
our
first
item
on
the
consent.
Our
of
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
consent
calendar,
and
this
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Let's
do
the
December
11th
2018
minutes.
C
D
A
D
B
What
was
asked
for
at
that
time
was
that
this
issue
be
clarified,
so
that
when
we
bring
this
forward
to
you
at
the
public
hearing
that
it
was
clear
or
clarified
what
portions
of
the
existing
building
are,
that
1983
Edition.
Is
that
what
your
comment
was
about
yeah,
so
we
weren't
working
to
clarify
it
at
this
time.
It's
simple
to
make
note
that
it
was
a
requested,
a
clarification
on
the
application
all.
C
E
A
Can
I
would
abstain?
I
was
not
here
for
the
January
meeting
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
right,
as
I
mentioned
item
number
two
on
the
agenda.
We
do
not
have
a
public
hearing
this
morning
and
number
three
on
the
agenda
is
unfinished
business
and
we
have
no
unfinished
business
this
morning.
So
we
will
go
right
to
item
number
four
on
the
agenda.
A
B
You
mr.
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
the
current
applicants
recently
purchased
the
corking
bottle,
building
from
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
and
have
begun
putting
together
this
proposal
for
its
improvements.
The
project
encompasses
the
entire
building.
The
portion,
that's
subject
to
your
review
is
the
exterior
at
this
point,
since
it
is
now
moved
from
being
a
public
building
into
being
a
privately
owned
building.
B
B
Four
of
your
staff
report,
the
building
as
you
see
in
the
report,
is
from
the
1930s.
It's
an
art,
moderne
streamlined,
modern
building
and
the
applicant
in
their
proposal,
are
working
to
restore
the
work
and
bring
the
building
back
to
as
near
as
possible.
Its
condition
from
the
1930s
on
page
six
of
your
staff
report
and
seven
are
the
description
of
the
project.
B
So
there
is
a
new
enumerated
list
of
items
that
are
to
be
removed
or
demolished
and
then
beginning
on
page
7.
Those
items
which
are
proposed
for
new
work
and
I'll
briefly
cover
those
with
you,
because
I
believe
those
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
the
primary
interest
of
your
focus,
they're
reconstructing
the
pilasters
on
either
side
of
the
front
door
below
the
what
I
call
the
eyebrow.
B
So
if
you
look
on
the
original
photos,
you'll
see
that
there
were
two
heavy
pilasters
on
either
side
of
the
door
that
we
believe
in
the
50s
were
eliminated
and
the
current
condition
there,
as
you
see
in
your
packet,
is
of
almost
a
continuous
storefront.
The
building
in
the
1930s
was
really
a
three
part
facade
with
a
symmetrical
arrangement
with
the
door
in
the
center
and
to
display
windows
on
either
side
they're,
also
proposing
to
repair
and
restock
all
all
pilasters
the
color
to
be
determined
as
you'll
notice.
B
In
the
original
exhibits
from
the
1940s,
there
is
some
type
of
a
black
stone
that
was
used
as
a
wainscot
or
base
along
the
front
of
the
building
they're
proposing
to
put
material
in
that
location
again.
I
have
some
samples
here
that
you
can
look
at
and
I'll
pass
around
they're,
also
looking
to
replace
the
storefront
windows
and
replicate
them
back
to
what
you
see
in
that
1946
photograph.
B
We
believe,
although
we've
only
seen
them
in
black
and
white,
it
appears
that
they
were
possibly
clear,
anodized
aluminum,
but
since
the
when
photos
are
black
and
white
I've
not
been
able
to
verify
that,
but
that's
what
we've
recommended
that
they
use
in
the
material.
The
eyebrow
that's
immediately
above
the
storefront
door
and
windows
as
you've
known
if
you've
walked
by
the
building,
is
seriously
deteriorated.
At
some
point.
B
B
So
in
talking
with
them
through
their
application,
we
suggested
that
we
pull
it
back
and
simply
identify
that
there
is
some
type
of
simple
architectural
lighting
and
that
it's
my
recommendation,
I
think
I
put
this
in
the
opening
part
that
perhaps
we
want
to
do
a
subcommittee
of
the
HSB
B
if
they
do
choose
to
go
further
with
some
type
of
deliberate
architectural
lighting
on
the
building.
This
is
the
first
project
that
you
are
seeing
as
a
board,
that's
being
evaluated
under
the
new
ordinance.
B
So
when
you
go
on
page
seven
you'll
note
that
this
set
of
findings
and
guidelines
that
you're
reviewing
this
against
are
different
than
what
you've
seen
in
the
past.
These
are
the
findings
for
review
of
alterations
to
a
class
one
site.
That's
now
in
the
new
ordinance
and
it
references
that
section
8.0
five
point:
one
ten
averies
F
as
staff
has
evaluated
the
proposed
project
against
these
findings.
B
We
believe
that,
with
the
conditions
imposed,
the
project
does
conform
to
these
guidelines
and
it
is
an
acceptable
project
in
terms
of
meeting
the
guidelines
for
alterations
to
a
class
one
site.
We've
also
noted,
under
the
sequel
analysis,
that
the
work
that
is
being
done
here
is
being
done
consistent
with
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards.
B
As
you
know,
there's
different
ways
of
approaching
this
in
terms
of
how
the
standards
are
written,
they
can
be
written
either
that
the
material
is
is
identified
as
distinctly
different
from
the
original
fabric,
so
that
it
is
clear
when
you
look
at
the
building.
What
is
new
and
what
is
old,
and
there
are
other
instances
when
it's
more
appropriate,
that
the
new
work
be
integrated
as
seamlessly
as
possible.
B
If
that
is
the
case
in
which
the
applicant
wishes
to
propose,
then
it
needs
to
be
documented
in
the
city
archives
so
that
we
understand
and
future
board's
understand
and
what
portions
of
this
our
original
fabric
and
what
portions
were
reconstructed.
So
that's
the
way
we've
evaluated
this
under
sequa
and
we
are
looking
for
the
applicant
to
be
providing
us
with
those
documents
so
that
we
can
provide
that
for
the
long
term
archival
file
on
the
building
the
applicant
does
not
currently
have
a
tenant
identified
for
the
building.
B
They
have
purchased
this
building
with
the
intent
of
operating
it
as
a
commercial
building
and
they're
going
to
be
seeking
new
tenants
to
be
determined
as
soon
as
they
can
get
themselves
to
the
point
where
the
building
is
ready
for
tenancy.
The
building,
as
you
know,
has
been
occupied
by
the
cork
and
bottle
for
a
very
long
time
and
as
the
exterior
suffers
from
some
deferred
maintenance.
B
So
too
does
the
interior
they're,
basically
gutting
the
interior
and
we'll
be
framing
it
out
so
that
a
new
tenant
can
come
in
and
do
a
separate
project
for
a
tenant
improvement.
So
at
this
time
there
is
no
tenant
known,
there's
no
tenant
specified,
but
the
expectation
is
that
they
will
be
doing
some
type
of
a
tenant
improvement
when
they
do
identify
a
tenant
to
sign
a
lease
with
them.
B
I've
also
noted
there
on
the
condition
number
two,
the
specific
detail
regarding
architectural
lighting
for
approval
of
a
subcommittee
of
the
HSP
B,
and
then
I
noted
as
item
3,
the
issue
of
clearly
documenting
the
city's
archival
file
on
those
components
that
will
be
replicated.
That
concludes
my
staff
report.
I
was
looking
in
the
audience
and
I
don't
see
the
applicant,
so
they
were
informed
of
today's
meeting.
B
F
Ken
excellent
report
and
it's
a
delight
to
see
that
we're
having
before
us
the
first
project
after
the
the
do
demo
ordinates
I,
have
just
a
couple
of
comments.
One
is
in
reference
to
the
that
black
strip
below
the
like
the
wainscoting
I
received
just
an
interesting
note
from
Steve
keel
on
that
I
thought.
I
should
share.
F
F
B
B
Yes,
the
cork
and
bottle
property
in
involves
342
North,
Palm
Canyon,
which
is
the
main
facade
and
344,
which
is
that
small
annex,
the
small
annex,
if
you
go
into
one
of
the
other
documents
on
your
in
your
packet,
is
essentially
a
very
nondescript
set
of
doors,
with
a
side
light
and
in
your
packet.
You'll
also
see
a
photograph
that
we
believe
was
from
the
mid-50s
in
which
you
can
see
how
that
annex
was
actually
painted
a
different
color
and
had
a
separate
different
awning
over
it.
B
When
the
applicant
first
brought
this
project
into
the
city,
their
proposal
was
to
take
the
streamline
detailing
the
horizontal
strips
that
you
see,
both
above
the
windows
and
in
those
small
decorative
strips
that
lie
on
the
two
side
pilasters
and
carry
them
over,
and
it
was
my
recommendation
to
them
that
they
not
do
that,
because
it
we
have
no
evidence
that
that
detailing
was
on
that
annex
and
also
the
part
of
the
buildings
characteristics
in
the
form
of
a
streamline.
Moderne.
B
Building
from
this
period
is
its
symmetry
of
the
facade
and
by
trying
to
bring
that
over
and
make
it
a
part
of
the
main
facade,
we
felt
that
it
was
reducing
the
historic
integrity
of
the
building
and
and
weakening
the
visual
strength
of
it.
So
at
this
time,
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
simply
to
clean
it,
scrape
it
repair
the
stucco,
the
storefront.
It
will
be
replaced
if
it's
worn,
but
essentially
that's
the
extent
of
what
the
work
would
be.
That's
being
done
on
that
annex
building,
also
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
G
B
B
It's
not
a
solid
wall
right
now.
It
is
a
set
of
storefront
doors.
When
you
look
at
the
very
front
of
their
packet,
this
is
its
current
existing
condition.
So
there
is
a
set
of
doors
here
there
exhibit
here
in
terms
of
their
future.
Work
is
blank
because
they
really
weren't
proposing
significant
modifications
to
that
part.
B
B
A
B
On
the
same
site,
so
when
you
look
at
a
site,
a
site
is
identified
by
the
designation.
I
don't
have
information
on
when
the
annex
was
built.
I
did
ask
the
building
department
to
pull
the
permits
on
it.
I've
not
found
a
permit
for
that
building,
but
by
what
I
can
see
from
the
photo
from
the
50s,
it
certainly
was
not
built
'men
integral
part
of
the
original
building.
So
I
don't
know
at
this
time
when
the
NX
was
built.
B
B
A
B
Is
this
from
the
historic
period
when
this
building
was
done?
No,
it's
not
there's
something
done
a
good
20
years
later,
at
least
this
building
was
built
in
35/36,
cork
and
bottom
moved
in
around
1950
sometime
in
the
mid
50's.
That
would
have
put
it
20
years
after
by
the
1950s
I.
Don't
know
if
you
would
really
say
that
our
mo
Darren
was
still
a
prevalent
style.
A
B
The
best
of
my
knowledge,
it's
gone
already,
I,
don't
know
if
you
look
at
the
current
photo
again,
which
is
on
their
opening
picture
here.
It
appears
to
have
been
taken
off.
I've
not
had
a
chance
to
drive
by
the
building
lately
and
I.
Don't
know
if
the
scientist
has
been
removed
from
it
or
not.
Okay,.
G
B
G
B
D
Page
2,
looking
at
the
1946
photograph,
which
reflects
more
of
the
streamline
Moderne
building
since
the
dates
in
1936
is
the
applicant.
Or
can
we
talk
to
the
applicant
about
potentially
doing
a
true
restoration
back
to
46
or
earlier
in
that
there
are
speed
lines?
There
are
elements
of
the
Art
Deco
style
that
are
not
really
part
of
the
current
proposal.
B
Mr.
mark,
can
you
point
out
which
ones
they
are
because
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
all
of
the
horizontal
detailing
that
you
see
in
the
46
photo
for
the
most
part
still
exists
on
the
building
right
and
they
are
going
to
keep
all
that
and
restore
it,
and
the
one
that
has
been
sort
of
most
modified,
which
is
the
eyebrow
over
the
windows,
which
has
been
kind
of
covered
over
with
cake,
frosting
stucco
will
be
fully
removed
and
rebuilt
in
metal
I.
B
C
D
Okay,
then
there's
a
question
of
it's
a
clock
really
I
mean
the
clock
came
later
so
I
don't
know
about
its
repair
and
restoration
of
replacement
back--once
in
the
building.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
really
it
didn't
exists
originally.
So
the
question
is:
what
is
the
period
of
significance
for
the
building?
Are
they
going
back
to
1946,
or
is
there
any
documentation
back
to
1936
I've.
B
Not
found
any
photos
in
any
of
the
archives
in
places
that
I've
dug
to
find
an
image
of
this
building
any
earlier
than
46,
so
46
that
photo
from
46
is
the
one
that
I've
been
referencing
as
that
which
is
as
close
as
possible
that
we
found
in
the
way
the
building
probably
appeared
when
it
was
built.
As
it
relates
to
the
clock,
you
know,
the
clock
has
developed
a
certain
historic
significance
of
its
own,
since
it's
certainly
been.
Therefore,
it
appears
well
over
a
half
a
century.
B
B
So
I
think
that
the
the
debate
on
whether
the
clock
goes
back
on
or
not
is
really
one
that
could
be
taken
in
any
direction
it
by
its
own
existence
for
50
or
60
years
now
has
certainly
developed
a
certain
degree
of
historic
significance
of
its
own,
but
it
would
certainly
be
identified
in
the
archive
in
the
archival
records
as
being
an
element
that
was
added.
You
know,
sometime
in
the
fifties,
not
part
of
the
original
design.
D
A
Can't
you'll
recall,
hopefully
approximately
five
six
years
ago,
when
I
joined
this
board,
the
clock
was
removed,
the
clock
was
removed
for
repair
and
former
board
member
Roxanne.
Plos
was
really
the
steward
of
seeing
that
clock
returned
to
its
position,
so
I
think
it
does,
whether
its
original
or
not
I
think
the
board
should
decide
whether
we
want
that
clock
to
remain
or
not
under
this
restoration
program.
But
you
know
Ken
eloquently
just
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
A
H
F
I
just
like
to
go
back
and
visit
this
sign
thing
again.
It
seems
like
this
heavens
I
wouldn't
say
frequently,
but
enough
to
get
our
attention
that
things
sort
of
disappear
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
If
you
will
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
about
that,
but
I
to
have
something
as
significant
as
that
particular
sign
was
and
then
at
just
some
way.
It's
just
no
longer
around.
F
Is
there
you?
Would
this
go
back
to
a
certain
department
that
has
control
of
it
or
could
been
the
new
owners
I
understand?
But
if
there
is
any
wake
in
for
us
and
I
know
that
you
know
this
may
not
be
possible,
but
it's
just
this
concerning
that
some
week
at
the
you
know
the
city,
we
could
lose
things
of
the
significance
and
you
know
all
of
a
sudden.
It's
like
what's
gone.
F
B
G
B
E
I'll
do
some,
let
me
jump
in
you,
do
have
the
ability
to
designate
signage
as
being
one
of
the
yeah
one
of
the
elements,
and
you
can
do
that.
One
of
the
things
I'll
comment
about
this
signage.
If
you
look
at
the
signage,
its
flex,
plastic
plexi
face
signage
on
a
racetrack
I,
don't
know
that
I
would
cry
about
that.
It's
probably
from
the
70s
or
80s
at
the
earliest,
and
so
again,
I.
Don't
know
that.
That's
something
that
you
want
to
do.
G
E
It's
identified
as
a
defining
characteristic:
no,
it
needs
to
come
before
the
HSP
be
through
a
standard
process.
If
it's
not,
however,
it
can
be
removed,
just
as
any
other
signage
would
be.
One
of
the
things
to
take
into
consideration
is
that
when
you
have
historic
buildings,
especially
commercial
buildings,
signage
is
going
to
change
based
on
tenants,
and
you
need
to
maintain
a
certain
degree
of
flexibility
in
doing
that.
G
I
understand
that
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
just
think
that
if
it's
significant
enough,
the
city
or
the
historic
board,
whoever
they
shall
be,
should
have
the
authority
to
decide
whether
they
want
to
retain
that
signage
for
some
sort
of
pop
art
museum
in
the
future
or
whatever
that
it
just
shouldn't,
be
removed
and
disposed
of,
and.
F
A
H
I
would
like
to
see
moving
forward
if
we
would
reference
the
picture
from
46,
where
it
says
a
radio
shop
that
whatever
the
signage
would
be
later,
that
it
mimicked
that
style
and
especially
I
mean,
if
we're
going
to
put
the
clock
back,
you
can't
have
the
Frigidaire
sign
up
there.
So
you
know
that
would
work
with
the
clock
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
like
a
nice
composition.
Actually.
A
Thank
you
Bill.
Thank
you.
The
signage
on
the
cork
and
bottle
are
on
the
on.
The
radio
shop
is
very
similar
to
the
Oasis
building,
where
it's
the
raised
letters
above
the
yep,
so
I
mean
it
does
feel
like
it's
a
period
thing,
so
this
board
will
have
an
opportunity
if
the
sign
program
comes
before
the
board.
So
any
other
questions,
because
we're
still
in
the
questioning
period
here,
okay,
comments.
C
I
I
think
that
the
restoration
effort
is
well
envisioned
and
well
documented
by
staff.
The
the
only
hole
that
I
do
see
is
the
signage
and
that
I
that
I
would
condition
a
motion
of
approval
or
acceptance
that
the
sign
program
does
come
back
to
us
and
encourage
the
owners
to
the
the
new
tenant
or
owner
to
emulate
the
original
signage
from
the
past
photograph
and
also
to
to
use
the
lighting
in
a
way
that
would
have
been
used
back
then,
which
would
have
probably
been
neon.
G
G
H
I
would
like
to
make
one
additional
comment.
I
think
that
it's
important
that
the
addition
where
the
smoke
shop
is
now
the
painted
a
different
color.
We
don't
know
what
colors
they
are,
but
it
shouldn't
all
be
the
same
color
because
it
looks
much
it
will
look.
It
will
make
the
center
party
much
more
distinctive,
like
if
you
look
in
the
50s
picture,
with
a
pink
which
is
sort
of
odd
with
it,
but
I
don't
care,
it
looks
it
makes
the
Deco
buildings
stand
out
much
more.
C
F
And
our
last
subcommittee
meeting
we
drilled
into
specific
items.
First
of
all,
on
the
opening
event,
you
know
if
we
have
a
two-day
event,
we've
expanded
to
now
on
April
14.
We
agreed
the
following
HSBC
accomplishments
for
this
past
year
and
preservation
highlights
would
be
the
following
number.
One
demo
ordinance
revisions
to
the
Cornelia
white
house
is
under
construction
class
1
designations
that
were
three
and
the
town
and
country
upgrades
in
process.
F
And
on
the
two-day
workshops,
we
have
a
lead
on
a
very
interesting
venue.
I
am
NOT
able
to
share
more
of
this
information,
but
if
there's
doesn't
pan
out
we'll
be
at
the
convention
center,
which
is
a
very
good
backup,
I
would
say
as
a
venue,
so
we're
excited
about
that,
so
we'll
really
be
drilling
in
we're
getting.
You
know.
We
have
a
lot
of
this
already
set,
which
I've
reviewed
with
you
we'll
be
putting
starting
to
do
dotting
the
is
and
crossing
the
t's
at
our
head.
Our
next
meeting.
Thank
you.
That's
it!
Alright!.
A
F
Betty
basically,
I
think
that
we
all
you
know
aware
that
the
that
councilmember,
Roberts
and
mayor
moon
held
an
event
a
few
weeks
ago
and
revealed
plans
for
the
theater.
As
far
as
a
restoration
is
concern,
and
it
was
a
very
large
turnout.
I'd
say
the
theater
was
pretty
full
and
it
was
very,
very
well
attended.
F
I
think
it
was
maybe
the
popcorn
that
drew
everybody,
but
it
was
very
exciting
to
see
their
their
presentation
and
I
must
say
that
the
gentleman
that's
in
charge
from
Ginn's
ler
is
certainly
revved
up
about
this
project
and
I
think
he
personally
takes
taken
a
great
interest
in
it.
So
I
think
that
we're
going
to
be
seeing
some
really
strong
activity
going
forward
with
their
fundraising
project,
which
is
the
next
thing.
That's
you
know
on
the
agenda,
but
jr.
F
did
in
so
did
the
mayor
stress
that
we're
talking
about
a
restoration
which
I
think
is
what's
important
for
this
court
to
know
and
can
I
assume
that
our
subcommittee,
which
was
mr.
Marsh
mr.
Lavoie
myself
at
the
right
time,
we'll
be
back
involved
with
the
project
as
that
moves
forward
from
from
a
preservation
and
historical
standpoint?
F
B
F
They
they
meaning
again
the
two
leaders
of
this
our
jr.
Robertson
mayor
moon
and
they
are,
they
are
organizing
a
a
committee
to
do
exactly
this.
That
would
be
their
charge
would
be
in
raising
money
for
the
for
the
restoration
and,
as
we
all
know,
mr.
Roberts
has
had
a
lot
of
experience
in
fundraising,
as
he
did
for
the
architectural
design,
Center
and
other
things.
So
that
committee
is
I'm
not
sure
where
status
is
then.
E
F
F
G
F
No,
we
have
city
project
a
city-owned,
building
and
they're
looking
at
different
venues,
and
you
know
there's
restrictions
on
because
of
the
layout
of
the
theater
and
so
forth,
but
they
went
into
great
detail
and
particularly
of
interest.
I
thought
was
the
restoration
of
the
of
the
sky,
the
lights
that
used
to
be
in
the
sky,
so
they've
really
at
this
point,
have
looked
into
you
know
some
major
details
on
on
the
restoration,
Flynn.
E
A
E
A
E
A
G
We
had
a
meeting
another
meeting
another
meeting
and
we
came
to
some
consensus
about
some
of
the
items
that
we
were
concerned
about,
and
they
were
also
concerned
about.
One
of
the
movements
going
forward
will
be
that
we
will
be
removing
the
mature
trees
and
replacing
it
with
one
big,
mature,
shade
tree
discussion,
kind
of
went
nowhere
when
we
discussed
the
gate.
It
was
kind
of
left
hanging
and
so
I'm,
not
certain
where
we're
going
with
that.
G
But
I
believe
that,
speaking
for
my
fellow
committee
members,
that
we
strongly
feel
that
the
gate
should
be
architectural
II
designed
for
the
period
not
just
gate,
and
we
realize
the
hot
element
that
they're
concerned
with,
and
we
feel
that
there
are
ways
to
work
around
that.
We
were
glad
that
the
spiky
plants
were
going
to
be
moved.
We
thought
that
was
a
wise
move,
our
other
and
I.
G
Don't
know
if
I
should
say
concern,
but
something
we
would
like
to
see
is
because
of
the
research
done
on
the
turtles
that
were
part
of
that
whole
environment.
We
would
like
to
still
see
some
turtles
put
in
in
that
area
died.
We
believe
that
they're
significant
and
we
would
like
to
see
that
Dunham
my
missing.
A
No,
no,
it's
excellent
as
next
time
jumping-off
point
so
to
let
the
board
know
that
this
meeting
was
attended
by
City
Council
members,
Middleton
and
holstege
city
manager,
David
ready,
attended
the
meeting
library
board
members.
It
was
quite
it
was
in
this
room
and
it
was
quite
an
extensive
meeting.
A
B
A
Yes,
no,
no,
absolutely
no
yeah
I'm
only
mentioning
the
turtles,
because
in
our
meetings
in
our
subcommittee
meetings,
the
three
members
of
the
subcommittee
did
feel
that
these
turtles
were
historically
interesting
and
that
should
have
been
included.
They
were
dropped
out
because
of
expense.
If
expense
isn't
the
issue,
perhaps
we
could
continue
to
work
to
get
these
one
or
two
of
these
concrete
turtles
included
in
the
hardscape.
Mr.
A
B
B
A
A
It
should
have
some
historic
reference
to
the
period
and
not
just
be
a
maintenance
yard
style
gate.
With
the
with
the
budget
being
of
concern.
There
was
no
furniture
included,
then,
in
this
final
plan,
again
with
newfound
money
or
the
possibility
of
extra
funds,
we
would
like
to
see
this
historically
referenced.
Furniture
be
included
back
in
so
I
guess.
A
lot
depends
on
how
much
money
can
be
found
or
can
be
added
to
the
budget
to
carry
this
project
forward.
F
We
just
keep
kind
of
rehashing
the
same
things,
but
I
guess
you
know
we're
just
not
going
to
wear
out
and
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
so
I
communicated
the
best
I
can
to
Francisco
these
points.
This
should
be
added
to
the
minutes,
but
I
just
think
it's
important
for
the
staff
to
know
as
well.
So
we
can
carry
forward
well.
B
In
the
last
meeting
that
I
attended
with
library,
director,
Jeannie
Kay's
and
Francisco
and
others
I
the
whole
discussion
of
the
semi-circular
bench
in
this
specimen
tree
and
all
of
that
was
discussed
as
being
in
the
bride.
So
I
don't
believe
that
it's
been
taken
out
of
the
project.
It
may
not
have
been
part
of
the
discussions
the
last
meeting,
but
my
understanding
is
a
telescope
yeah.
F
Well,
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
it's
in
there,
because
we
really
don't
want
to
hold
this
project
up-
I
mean
this
has
been
going
on
for
quite
some
time
so
and
we
don't
want
to
appear
as
the
obstructions
either.
But
when
we
do
speak,
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
you
know
it's
so
noted
and
so
that
we
don't
have
to
keep
coming
back
every
time.
And
then
we
look
like
the
bad
guy
I
mean
I'm,
beginning
to
feel
like
we're
talking
about
the
wall
again.
So
that's
what
we
want
to
avoid.
G
B
Me
in
your
packet,
you
should
have
a
full
copy
of
the
new
HSP
B
historic
preservation,
ordinance,
there's
two
other
things
that
I
printed
I
believe
you
also
have
this.
Do
you
have
this
in
your
packet,
which
is
kind
of
a
nice
little
cheat
sheet
that
Flynn
created
for
applicants?
I,
don't
know
if
not
I'll
pass
that
around
and
then
I
put
together
just
a
cover
memo
here.
That
gives
me
kind
of
a
table
of
contents.
B
B
The
the
ordinance
breaks
down
into
basically
the
establishment
definition
of
the
board,
the
procedures
for
designating.
Then
the
part
that
tends
to
be
much
of
what
the
work
is
that
you
consider
are
under
rules
and
regs
demolitions,
alterations
of
class
one
and
two
demolitions
and
alterations
of
class
three
and
for
maintenance
and
repair
everything
that
tends
to
fall.
Is
you
see
under
article
4?
That's
where
this?
B
What
we've
typically
called
certificates
of
approval,
that
type
of
thing
are
falling
in
and
when
you
go
into
those
sections
of
the
ordinance,
there's
a
fairly
clear
description
as
to
what
is
required.
What
are
the
procedures,
what
are
submitted
materials
and
how
does
it
get
processed?
So
I
wasn't
really
planning
on
going
through
exhaustively
and
walking
you
through
every
part
of
this,
but
when
you
saw
the
case
today
of
the
cork
and
bottle
you're
reviewing
alterations
under
the
ordinance
8.05
point,
110
alterations
to
class
1
and
class
2
resources.
B
So
that's
the
procedure
that
you
saw
carry
out
here
with
you
and
it's
really
not
different
than
what
the
old
process
was.
There's
still
a
certificate
of
approval
of
it's
gonna.
Take
me
forever
to
get
to
the
term
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
but
it's
it's
an
approval,
but
yes,
that
the
nomenclature
has
changed.
B
But
the
notion
is
the
same
that
it's
coming
before
you,
because
somebody
wants
to
change
something
on
the
outside
of
a
building,
that's
a
historic
site
and
there's
guidelines
for
them
to
follow
and
for
us
to
evaluate
the
project
and
for
you
to
make
findings
as
you
consider.
These
proposed
changes.
So
that's
the
primary
thing
that
I
think
is
the
a
major
working
part.
B
Of
course,
we've
gone
through
the
and
you're
going
to
be
seeing
with
the
next
set
of
class
1
nominations
that
come
to
you
next
month,
I'm
hoping
to
have
the
kirshner
residents
class
1
application
ready
for
your
consideration
at
a
public
hearing
next
month
and
I
may
be
able
to
get
one
more
ready
for
that
meeting.
If
I
can,
and
you
will
begin
to
see
how
this
new
ordinance
begins
to
be
valuable,
that
how
these
projects
get
evaluated
against
the
new
ordinance
and
the
findings
that
you
guys
will
make
in
considering
those
applications.
B
The
last
thing,
that's
of
interest
that
are
more
subordinate
but
become
important
for
applicants
when
they
come
to
the
counter
are
in
sections,
140
and
150,
and
so
on,
which
are
dealing
with
different
types
of
alterations
to
buildings,
including
general
maintenance,
those
things
that
are
exempt
from
coming
to
the
board.
How
did
how
we
deal
with
photovoltaic
and
alternative
energy
systems
installed
on
historic
structures
and
then,
as
many
of
you
have
asked
about,
and
you've
already
probably
seen
most
of
this
that
have
worked
on
this
ordinance
and
160
of
the
issues
of
violations
and
enforcement.
B
Lastly,
there's
a
new
section
in
our
ordinance,
which
is
the
very
final
article
5,
which
is
that
set
of
working
parts
in
terms
of
how
we
address
and
process
applications
on
tribal
lands
of
the
reservation
and
there's
different
types
of
land
ownership
on
the
reservation.
As
you
know,
there's
land
that
is
owned
by
the
tribe
as
a
whole,
which
is
called
tribal
trust.
Most
of
that
type
of
project
we
have.
B
No
involvement
with
the
tribe
is
sovereign
on
matters
concerning
their
tribal
trust,
land,
the
city
and
the
tribe
have
a
a
several
agreements
that
were
put
in
place
in
the
1970s,
which
was
updated
and
revised
recently,
which
also
brings
clarification
into
how
preservation
issues
are
handled
on
the
reservation
for
land
that
is
allotted
land
or
land
that
is
fee,
simple
land.
So
that's
what's
covered
in
Article,
five
and
generally
most
of
what's
happening.
B
There
is
work
that
I
need
to
make
sure
that
when
applications
come
in
I'm
routing
them
over
to
their
tribal
historic
preservation
officer,
which
is
the
equivalent
of
my
position
for
the
tribe,
so
that
they've
got
the
opportunity
to
comment
and
feedback
information
to
us
and
on
matters
that
have
come
in
as
an
application
on
tribal
trust
that
they
go
over
to
them,
and
then
they
will
process
those.
So
I
don't
want
to
actually
go
through
all
the
detail
in
minutiae
of
it.
E
Before
you
end,
there
can
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
pass
out
is:
we've
recently
redesigned
the
historic
preservation
portion
of
our
website
in
line
with
the
new
historic
preservation
ordinance.
One
of
the
questions
that
we
will
get
from
the
public
is
is
my
property
on
any
historic
list
and
City
Council
is
very
concerned
that,
with
the
adoption
of
this
new
ordinance,
we
need
to
make
that
easy
for
people
to
find
out.
This
is
kind
of
a
stopgap
measure.
For
now
we
are
working
on
additional
measures.
E
What
we're
looking
at
is
being
able
to
enter
your
address
into
the
website,
and
it
would
come
back
whether
or
not
it's
designated
class
1
class,
2
class,
3
class
4
or
none
of
the
above.
So
again
we
intend
to
make
the
process
even
simpler,
but
for
now
how
we've
redesigned
the
website
is
on
the
landing
page
for
historic
preservation,
there's
basically
four
buttons
right
now
we
have
extensive
lines
of
text
that
people
tend
to
get
lost
in
and
so
we're
trying
to
make
this
very
visually
simple
and
the
key
one
that
you
see.
E
There
is
my
property
on
any
historic
lists.
If
you
go
to
the
second
page
that
takes
you
to
this,
which
has
class
1
and
class
2
class
3
class,
4
and
historic
districts,
and
so
you
can
click
on
any
of
those
links,
and
then
it
takes
you
to
an
additional
page
which
gives
you
the
process
for
any
major
alterations,
minor
alterations
or
of
each
of
those
different
types.
So
you
have
a
specific
page
that
tells
you
about
that.
E
So
we
will
have
a
link
to
the
agendas
we'll
have
a
link
to
the
meeting
schedule.
One
of
the
things
that
City
Council
has
asked
us
to
include
is
action
summaries
for
each
of
your
meetings.
We
do
that
now
for
the
Planning
Commission
and
they
really
like
having
that
function
and
so
we'll
be
doing
that
with
historic
site
preservation
board
as
well
any
subcommittee
meetings.
For
example,
when
we
had
the
demolition
subcommittee,
we
would
post
those
agendas
there
and
then
the
preservation
month
symposium
will
have
a
link
there.
E
F
This
is
kind
of
blown
away
with
this.
This
is
a
major
because
this
was
one
of
the
concerns
I
know
of
council
in
particular,
but
what
a
breath
of
fresh
air
and
it's
I
think
that
it's
to
be
able
to
find
this
information
so
concise
so
easily,
and
it
will
make
the
citizens
so
much
happier
and
you
know
being
able
to
find
it.
F
You
know,
and
also
just
reminds
me
I,
you
know
started
this
journey
and
was
three
years
ago
didn't
I
didn't
realize,
like
you
did
all
that
had
to
be
done
to
get
to
what
I
thought
was
a
very
simple
request.
Let's
just
have
demo
revisions,
I
mean
come
on.
What's
the
big
deal,
but
now
the
when
I
look
back
at
it
and
I
see
all
the
things
that
had
to
happen.
F
You
know
to
have
these
agreements
with
the
with
with
the
tribe
and
to
how
it
all
would
really
work
on
your
end,
as
in
operations
denied
from
an
Operations
background,
I
should
have
realized
that,
but
I
was
too
excited
about
just
getting
the
job
done.
I
couldn't
see
the
details,
but
when
I
see
all
that's
gone
into
this
and
what
the
staff
has
done
and
putting
up
with
my
constant,
you
know
waving
a
flag.
F
G
I'll
start
out
with
my
first
question
regarding
tribal
land,
so
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly,
let's
take
indian
canyons
for
an
example,
we
had
the
one
house
that
was
totally
demolished,
except
for
the
fireplace
wall.
We
will
have
no
authority
over
what
goes
on
there.
It'll
go
strictly
to
the
tribe
for
approval.
B
B
G
G
E
The
city
has
multiple
actions
that
we
can
take
at
City
Council.
This
has
gone
on
to
be
described
as
belt-and-suspenders
that
you
don't
need
both
of
them,
but
we
are
applying
both
of
them.
So,
first
of
all,
in
terms
of
violations
of
the
ordinance,
we
have
the
opportunity
of
pursuing
criminal
penalty
penalties.
The
city
would
do
so
through
our
code
enforcement
arm
and
under
criminal
penalties.
We
are
limited
to
a
thousand
dollars,
but
we
also
have
the
ability
for
imprisonment.
E
City
Council
struggled
with
that
language,
but
it's
it's
it's
consistent
with
other
places
in
the
municipal
code,
so
we
have
criminal
penalties
which
we
can
pursue.
Secondly,
we
have
civil
action
that
we
can
pursue,
and
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
from
the
standpoint
of
fines.
Again,
this
is
handled
through
code
enforcement.
We
have
to
identify
that
a
violation
has
occurred
and
go
through
that
process,
but
we
have
the
opportunity
of
assessing
a
thousand
dollars
per
day.
E
E
The
third
thing
that
we
have
the
ability
to
do
in
addition
to
that
is
under
Section
E,
and
that
is
where
a
violation
has
occurred.
We
can
then
withhold
permits
for
a
period
of
up
to
three
years,
and
it
was
felt
that
this
is
really
the
strongest
of
the
remedies
that
we
have
available
to
us
because
we're
a
violation
has
occurred.
E
Sometimes
the
property
owners
try
to
flip
the
property
to
an
unsuspecting
buyer,
and
what
will
happen
is
that
we
are
required
to
record
this
with
the
county
that
we
can't
issue
permits
for
a
period
of
three
years
and
so
I
think
that
really
is
the
strongest
of
the
three.
If
I
were
asked
my
opinion,
but
we
have
all
three
approaches
that
we
can
take
and
we
can
take
all
three-
it's
not
one
or
the
other,
but
rather
all
three
does.
G
G
G
E
E
A
A
E
Typically,
an
ordinance
is
not
effective
for
30
days
after
its
adoption,
it
was
adopted
on
January
the
23rd,
so
typically,
it
would
not
become
effective
until
February
23rd.
However,
the
City
Council
has
given
us
direction
to
go
ahead
and
implement
the
ordinance,
so
we've
gone
and
done
that
as
you'll
notice
in
your
staff
report
today
can
use
the
new
ordinance
the
criteria
there
and
to
evaluate
this
application.
E
A
The
the
project
that
I'm
going
to
mention
right
now
is
well
underway,
so
it
must
have
obviously
fallen
under
the
old
ordinance,
but
there
is
an
old
Spanish
house,
kids
on
the
corner
of
gran
vía,
Belmonte
and
Phillips
Road,
so
Phillips,
Road
and
gran
vía
Belmonte
is
where
the
James
MacNaughton
houses
and
the
Abernathy
house.
So
on
the
south
side
of
gran
vía
velmont,
a
an
old
Spanish
house
has
been
demolished,
with
the
exception
of
a
few
French
doors
are
literally
all
that
stance,
and
this
has
been
a
very
rapid
demolition.
A
E
A
B
A
C
A
All
right
so
Kent,
thank
you,
I
mean
in
Flynn.
This
is
excellent
and
I,
certainly
for
a
Luddite
like
me,
a
button
to
Portia
is.
D
A
F
Carrying
on
with
the
demolition
hornist,
it
was
very
interesting.
I
have
sent
me
to
share
with
you
I,
not
saying
that
this
is
something
that
our
board
takes
on,
but
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
it
stresses
a
point,
and
it
also
brings
to
light
evidently
the
reputation
that
we're
getting
as
a
preservationist
in
Palm,
Springs
I
received
a
request,
telephone
call
and
then
a
follow-up
email
from
two
gentlemen
out
Santos
who
have
founded
the
Friends
of
the
lightin
Savings
Bank
on
Sunset,
Boulevard
and
what's
interesting,
is
and
that
a
building
was
designated.
F
So
the
only
option
they
have
now
is
relocation
of
the
building.
So
they
felt
and
stressed
that
they
felt
that
Palm
Springs
would
be
an
ideal
place
for
this
good
to
have
this
building
moved
and
they
feel
that
they
can
raise
the
money
to
do
that
which
would
be
in
excess
of
a
million
dollars
so
that
it
can
be
land
marked
as
a
modern
Bank
and
so
they're
asking
the
Palm
Springs
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board.
F
So
that's
the
long
and
short
of
they
I
have
links
to
which
I
get
asked
in
to
send
out
the
email
to
everybody
which
goes
into
great
detail
about
the
building,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up,
because
if
there
are
any
ideas
that
we
can
share
with
them
and
I,
it
makes
me
really
feel
good
that
we
are
would
be
looked
to.
You
know
as
a
place
of
refuge,
if
you
will,
in
you
know,
with
its
preservation.
So
I
did
want
to
share
that
with
you.
F
So
there
any
board
comments
that
we
could
send
to
our
ideas
when
to
share
today
and
if
not
today,
we
could
give
to
to
Ken
that
he
could
send
out
to
everybody.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
great
I
realize
this.
It's
not
a
project
that
we
take
on.
We
haven't.
We
have
enough
I
know
on
our
plate
at
the
moment,
but
I
thought
it
was
great
significance.
I.
G
B
C
A
B
F
E
F
B
B
B
H
I
have
one
thing:
I
think
that
the
symposium
needs
additional
funding.
The
scope
of
thing
that
we're
putting
together
is
huge
and
working
without
a
budget
is
extremely
difficult
and
I
have
found
it
very,
very
difficult
to
move
forward
finding
venues
for
the
after
party
additional
ture
things
in
everything
without
some
money,
because
people
simply
are
not
willing
to
donate
things
all
the
time,
and
so
it
really
ties
our
hands
and
it's
taking
a
great
deal
of
time
to
do
a
lot
of
research
to
have
the
door
be
closed,
and
so
that's
my
comment.
E
A
A
build
you
have
something
alright,
so
in
December
I
had
shared,
we
talked
and
in
December
about
the
new
tequila
bar
going
into
the
Oasis
building,
and
we
talked
about
perhaps
conditioning
future
projects
to
allow
alterations
to
class
one
retail
properties
if
it
benefits
the
tenant
and
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
building,
with
the
condition
that,
if
that
tenant
should
leave
that
building
at
some
future
time
that
their
tenant
improvements
be
reversed.
So
we
kind
of
talked
about
that.
A
So
I
only
reiterate
it
now,
because
there
is
a
project,
that's
going
to
be
coming
forward
to
the
board
that
is
going
to
involve
the
Robinson's
building
and
I
would
ask
this
board
to
consider
what
the
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
that
the
applicant
bring
it
forward
that
this
board
might
consider
allowance
of
it
with
that
condition.
Built-In
that
if
and
when
that
tenant
ever
leaves,
that
the
tenant
improvements
be
reversed
in
the
original
building.
The
original
elements
be
restored,
so
I
just
wanted
to
repeat
that,
because
I
think
it
is
important.
A
C
I
I
found
it
interesting,
dick
actually
invited
me.
It's
all
his
fault.
Atomic
ranches
is
having
one
of
the
those
seminar
thingies
at
camp
talking
about
the
modernization
of
mid-century
and
they
thought
to
include
two
preservationists
in
the
discussion
and
we
have
done
some
preliminary
Thaksin.
It's
been
a
very
lively
and
interesting
discussion
enjoy
I've
enjoyed.
It
I
hope
you
come
when.
A
G
G
A
Restaurant
nightclub
bar
is
going
to
go
forward
now
in
the
robinsons
building
and
so
it'll
be
here.
I
know
it's
it's
gonna
come
back
here
somehow,
so
just
keep
in
mind
that
we
have
the
ability
to
conditionally
approve
it.
Yes,
yeah
as
we
did
earlier
today.
So
that's
all
on
that
one.
Anybody
else:
staff
I.
B
B
Last
one
that
we
did
for
them
was
in
April,
which
was
the
first
time
we
did
it
and
we
called
it
good
things
to
know
about
marketing
historic
properties
in
Palm
Springs.
It's
it's
some
of
the
same
material,
but
also
introducing
them
to
some
of
the
new
parts
that
that
you've
just
become
introduced
to
as
well.
So
we'll
see
how
it
goes
well,.
E
Mr.
chair,
just
a
couple
of
things
for
me,
we
talked
about
signage
today.
Would
it
be
of
interest
to
the
board
to
have
a
brief
presentation
on
how
we
did
sign
preservation
in
Las
Vegas
I
could
do
a
quick
PowerPoint
for
you
just
talk
about
some
of
the
aspects
of
it
so
at
a
future
meeting
I'll
put
that
together
and
we
can
do
that
at
the
end
of
your
agenda.
The
final
thing
that
I
would
like
to
comment
on
is
just
to
express
my
gratitude
to
mr.
Jones
for
being
an
excellent
chair.