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A
Yes,
just
to
let
everyone
know
that
the
meeting
tonight
is
being
recorded,
so
you
are
aware
that
this
is
a
in
addition
to
being
a
meeting
that
you're
visiting
or
being
a
part
of
it.
It
is
being
recorded
for
your
own
information.
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D
F
G
B
B
This
time
has
been
set
aside,
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
input
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
board,
although
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
values.
Your
comments,
pursuant
to
the
brown
act
generally,
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
B
C
No
one
has
requested
to
speak
a
public
comment.
There
is
there
are
people
here
who
wish
to
speak
during
the
public
testimony
portion
of
the
sutter
residence
and
I
of
the
people
that
are
here
visiting.
If
any
of
you
wish
to
speak
on
something
other
than
the
sutter
residence.
Will
you
please
turn
on
your
camera
now
and
raise
your
hand.
B
G
G
B
B
B
Now,
we'll
move
on
to
public
hearings.
Item
two:
a
stephen
rose
owner
requesting
historic
designation
of
the
sutter
residence
located
at
one
two:
zero
seven
collier
de
maria.
I
have
a
staff
report
please.
Yes
thank.
C
The
building
was
designed
in
1959
by
the
renowned
architect
e
stewart
williams
for
the
owner,
theodore
sutter,
who
was
a
prominent
member
of
the
california
petroleum
industry.
The
homes
has
a
very
unique
inward-oriented
design
and
embraces
aspects
of
the
brutalism
style
of
architecture
and
some
noteworthy
details
from
the
mid-century
modern
period.
C
The
report
that
accompanies
this
analysis
was
prepared
by
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation.
The
specific
author
was
stephen
vaught
and
steven
may
be
calling
in
this
evening
to
speak
on
behalf
of
himself
on
behalf
of
this
particular
item.
C
I
believe
that
tracy
conrad
is
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
owner,
who
was
unable
to
join
us
tonight
for
other
commitments.
The
analysis
in
my
staff
report
on
sutter
residence
begins
on
page
four,
where
we
evaluate
the
seven
criteria
and
the
report
does
not
identify
anything
in
terms
of
significant
events.
C
On
page
40,
the
result
the
report
asserts-
and
I'm
now
speaking
from
my
staff
report
on
page
five,
that
the
sutter
residence
exemplifies
the
post-world
war
ii
period.
It
notes
the
brutalist
style
of
the
home
in
terms
of
the
solid-looking
concrete
block
volume,
that
is
the
living
room,
which
was
an
architectural
style
that
emerged
in
the
us
in
the
60s
and
70s.
C
The
original,
delicate,
looking
screen
block
wall
that
was
on
the
east
facade,
which
is
now
gone,
was
also
a
common
mid-century,
modern
material
and
design,
but
it
was
not
brutalist
in
its
nature.
The
oscar
white
milky
white
glass
that
had
been
on
the
screen
wall
in
the
north
facade,
which
is
also
removed
and
has
now
been
replaced
with
clear,
dark
tinted
glass,
were
characteristic
of
mid-century
as
well.
C
I
have
noted
that,
with
the
removal
of
these
two
items,
the
sutter
residence
has
characteristics
of
these
particular
elements
but,
contrary
to
the
report,
the
home
is
modified,
does
not
stand
as
an
outstanding
example
of
the
style
or
the
period.
That's
contrary
to
the
report,
which
makes
the
assertion
that
it
does
next
item
criteria
for
embodying
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
tight
period
or
method
of
construction.
C
Again,
the
center
of
residence
employs
concrete
glass
and
steel
in
a
restrained,
modern
composition.
The
original
screen
block
wall
on
the
eastern
facade
had
provided
a
lace-like
screen
which
offered
a
sense
of
privacy.
Yet
permeability,
in
contrast
to
the
brutalist
quality
of
the
concrete
block
volume
of
the
living
room
screen
block,
was
frequently
used
in
the
construction
of
homes
in
the
mid-century
period
on
the
north
elevation.
The
translucent
grass
glass
screen
excuse
me,
which
is
now
replaced
with
tinted.
C
Clear
glass
also
provided
a
sense
of
light
enclosure
and
privacy
and
blurred
the
lines
between
inside
and
outside
a
characteristic
also
common
in
the
mid-century
period.
This
delicate
contrast
between
solid
and
void,
strength
and
lightness
were
character-driving
features
of
the
home
that
have
been
diminished
due
to
the
removal
of
the
screen
block
wall
and
the
milky
white
translucent
glass.
C
Thus,
although
the
sutter
residence
qualifies
under
criterion
4
as
embodying
unique
and
innovative
construction
methods
in
the
report,
the
removal
of
these
critically
important
original
construction
elements
and
materials
disqualify
it.
In
my
opinion,
from
meeting
this
criteria,
criteria,
five
association
with
a
master
architect
or
builder,
or
one
who
had
influenced
his
age
or
possesses
high
artistic
value.
C
The
sutter
residence
has
been
credited
for
the
design
of
e,
stuart
williams
and
constructed
by
arthur
coffey,
beginning
on
page
14
of
the
historic
resources
report.
It
details
the
interesting
design
characteristics
of
the
sutter
residence.
The
home
was
a
masterful
combination
of
materials,
providing
rich
texture,
shadows
and
light,
despite
the
open
nature
of
the
corner
lot
in
which
it
was
located,
the
design
achieved
privacy
while
not
completely
turning
its
back
to
the
corner
public
space.
C
The
report
notes
the
williams
preference
for
using
concrete
in
the
sutter
residence.
He
employed
two
types
of
concrete
block
to
produce
both
a
light
lace-like
quality,
as
I
pre-mentioned
previously,
as
well
as
a
very
heavy
impermeable
quality
to
the
concrete
cube
that
comprise
the
corner
living
room.
C
The
report
also
documents
the
career
of
e,
stuart
williams
in
appendix
six,
so
although
the
subtle
use
of
materials
has
been
lost
due
to
the
recent
renovations,
the
original
qualities
of
the
sutter
residence
remain
present
as
a
unique
example
of
the
work
of
historic
williams
and
hence
justifies
its
criteria
or
qualification
under
criteria
five
and
then
under
criterion.
Six
and
seven,
the
report
does
not
assert
any
qualifications
under
those
criteria.
C
Next,
in
the
report
on
page
six
is
the
analysis
of
integrity
and
again
here,
I've
taken
exception
to
some
of
the
items
that
were
mentioned
in
the
historic
resources
report.
I'll
briefly
refer
to
these,
and
then
you
can
open
it
up
to
any
questions
you
may
have
so
beginning
on
the
bottom
of
page
six,
we
talk
about
the
location,
integrity
of
location.
Is
there,
however,
as
I
noted
on
the
bottom
of
page
six
and
on
the
top
of
page
seven,
the
design,
the
the
number
of
recent
modifications,
has
substantially
altered
the
design.
C
C
Second,
the
removal
of
the
screen
block
wall
along
the
east
wall
of
the
swimming
pool
destroyed
the
sense
of
the
swimming
pool
being
an
integral
room
quote
unquote
of
the
home.
The
screen
block
wall
visually
created
a
sense
of
enclosure
to
the
pool,
while
maintaining
a
visual
connection
to
the
front
yard.
Beyond
the
removal
of
the
screen
block
wall
resulted
in
the
steel
columns
and
the
open
web
joist
roof
plane
over
the
pool
feeling
barren
the
interplay
of
shadow
and
scale
created
by
the
joists
and
beams
overhanging.
C
The
screen
block
wall
has
also
been
lost
from
the
street.
Although
the
vertical
corrugated
steel
panels
provide
privacy
along
the
eastern
facade
and
it
is
a
material.
As
the
report
notes,
that's
been
found
on
the
back
and
sides
of
the
home
williams
masterful
use
of
concrete
to
express
both
a
light.
Lace-Like
quality
through
the
use
of
concrete
screen
block
and
the
impenetrable
feeling
of
the
solid
concrete
wall
has
been
compromised
on
page
15.
C
For
these
reasons,
staff
asserts
that
the
home's
design
integrity
has
been
significantly
compromised
under
setting
at
the
bottom
of
page
eight.
In
the
top
of
page
nine,
it's
noted
in
the
report
that
williams
took
extra
care
to
ensure
a
harmonious
interrelationship
between
the
eastern
and
northern
street-facing
facades
from
the
1961
photos.
C
Black
glass
excuse
me,
has
changed
substantially
the
appearance
of
the
home
from
its
front
two
elevations.
Although
the
report
asserts
that
the
corrugated
metal
reflects
materials
found
elsewhere
on
the
home,
what
has
been
lost
is
the
contrast
between
the
use
of
concrete
block
as
a
light
and
airy
screen
and
concrete
block
as
a
solid
corner
of
volume.
C
Also,
the
square
grid
module
that
was
scored
into
the
concrete
volume
on
the
corner
of
the
house
related
to
the
square
module
of
the
screen
block
wall
that
also
no
longer
exists
on
the
north
facing
facade.
The
thin
plane
of
frosted
glass
created
visual
privacy,
which
has
been
lost.
The
expression
of
materials
on
the
primary
facades
no
longer
reflect
the
choices
made
by
williams
in
his
design,
intent
for
this
home.
Thus,
contrary
to
the
report,
the
home
has
lost
integrity
of
material
on
its
primary
elevations.
C
I
believe
it
still
does
retain
its
material
or
its
integrity
of
workmanship.
The
feeling
the
integrity
of
feeling,
I
would
say,
has
been
lost
as
well.
The
home,
which
had
a
relationship
through
the
screen
block
wall
and
the
lightness
of
that
has
been,
has
been
lost
and
the
permeability
and
the
alignment
of
the
screen
block
wall
with
the
living
room,
which
created
that
sense
and
feeling
of
a
swimming
pool
being
very
much
a
part
of
the
interior
of
the
home,
has
also
been
gone.
C
C
I
said
on
number
seven
with
the
association
exposing
the
building's
structural
system
to
establish
the
pattern
cadence
and
modularity
and
scale,
which
was
also
a
tenant
of
the
modern
movement
in
architecture
with
the
placement
of
the
corrugated
steel
wall
in
the
front
yard,
the
structural
columns
have
been
obscured
and
the
structural
module
is
no
longer
evident
from
the
street.
For
these
reasons,
the
association
or
the
relationship
of
the
sutter
residents
with
the
mid-century
modern
period
has
been
diminished.
C
For
these
reasons,
staff
is
recommending
that
a
class
ii
historic
merit
designation
is
appropriate
for
the
sutter
residence
beginning
on
page
10
and
onto
page
11,
I've
listed
the
character
defining
features
which
include
the
post
and
beam
structural
system,
the
walls
of
glass,
the
open
web
joist,
the
solid,
concrete
volume,
the
grid
like
score
lines
in
that
concrete
block
walls
of
the
living
room,
the
wide
roof
covering
over
the
west
and
south
faces
or
sides
of
the
pool
terrace.
The
black
skrill
screen.
C
Excuse
me:
the
black
steel
frame
of
the
glass
garden
wall
in
the
north
facade
and
the
ornamental
metal
gate
in
the
north
side
courtyard.
The
non-contributing
features
are
the
corrugated
steel
garden
wall,
the
clear
tinted
glass,
the
breakfast
nook,
the
saucer
shaped
fire
put
the
rooftop
screen
walls,
concealing
the
solar
panels
and
the
landscape.
C
That
concludes
my
staff
report.
Mr
chair,
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
As
I
mentioned,
tracy
conrad
is
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
owner
and
I
believe
stephen
vaught.
The
author
of
the
report,
will
be
trying
to
reach
us
via
telephone.
B
E
I
I
just
have
a
a
comment
and
a
a
correction
just
for
the
record.
This
is
in
regard
to
the
2010
11
remodel.
You
know
it
states
that
sydney
williams
helped
guide
the
design
work,
and
I
spoke
to
sydney
about
that,
and
so
for
the
record.
I
would
like
to
make
a
correction
that,
while
sydney
williams,
who
was
the
curator
of
architecture
and
design
at
the
palm
springs
art
museum,
she
did
provide
access
to
to
the
original
stewart
williams
plans
that
are
held
in
in
the
museum's
archives.
E
She
told
me
that
she
did
not
help
guide
the
design
work.
She
merely
helped
them
with
having
access
to
the
architectural
drawings.
So
I
think
that's
important.
You
know
to
note,
and
also
her
quote,
that
in
that
paragraph
that
says
that
her
quote
says
sensitive
to
the
original
fabric.
E
I
understand
referred
to
the
interior
fireplace
I
believe
that
had
been
painted
previously
painted,
and
that
was
returned
as
part
of
the
interiors
of
that
2011
remodel.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
note
to
set
sydney
correct
in
that
report.
What
page.
E
To
well,
actually
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
the
page
in
front
of
me.
I
don't
have
it
all
open
it's
when
they're
talking
about
the
tooth
out
when
steven
is
talking
about
the
2011
remodel
in
2010-11
owners,
richard
and
rick
lord
and
brian
skip
shipper,
did
remodeling
work
on
the
set
of
residents,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
not
finding
that
page.
G
B
It's
really
good
to
get
these.
These
detail
points
directed
like
this.
I
appreciate
that
so
any
other
further
questions
of
staff
by
members.
B
Then,
if
not
I'm
going
to
ask
to
contact
those
persons
that
are
interested
in,
so
we
can
open
the
public
hearing.
C
D
Thank
you
yes,
juana
marble,
madame
bubba
marshall
or
excuse
me,
bubba
marshall,
has
indicated
in
track
message.
She
would
like
to
speak
on
this
as
well.
Okay,.
D
A
B
C
I
see
that
there's
a
request
from
tracy
and
a
request
from
the
marshals,
barbara.
B
Right
and
we
have
tracy
on
the
with
us
now
ready
to
to
talk,
and
then
we
should
go
right
to
to
the
marshalls.
Please!
Okay,
yes,
ms
conrad.
A
Well,
good
evening,
chair
and
board
members,
mr
rose
asked
that
I
read
a
statement
into
the
record
on
his
behalf
and
I'm
happy
to
do
so
and
listen
to
all
of
you
this
evening.
So
it
says
dear
board.
I
wanted
to
be
here
today,
but
I'm
co-chair
of
an
event
on
behalf
of
desert
aids
project,
which
is
unfortunately
scheduled.
A
At
the
same
time,
I
was
very
disturbed
by
the
report
and
conclusion
that
the
sutter
residence
lacks
the
sufficient
integrity
to
qualify
as
a
class,
one
landmark
site
from
my
first
visit
to
palm
springs.
Three
decades
ago,
I
was
completely
enthralled
by
the
sutter
residence
and
recognized
it
as
a
masterpiece
designed
by
renowned
modernist
architect
e
stuart
williams.
I
believe
the
few
modifications
that
have
been
made
to
the
house
are
not
significant
enough
to
detract
from
its
architectural
importance.
A
I
strongly
disagree
that
the
three
changes
cited
destroy
the
integrity
of
the
house.
Although
the
concrete
screen
block
wall
was
removed,
a
wall
further
out
to
the
street
was
added
using
sympathetic
materials
found
elsewhere
in
the
house
and
maintains
the
incredible
privacy
of
the
back
garden
and
pool
area
while
still
giving
it
the
feeling
of
an
additional
room.
Also,
the
block
wall
was
a
garden
wall,
not
part
of
the
house.
The
glass
in
front
was
replaced
with
glass
that
cannot
be
seen
through
from
the
exterior.
A
The
sutter
residence
maintains
its
rare
stunning
concrete
block,
brutalist
and
glass
core
in
its
complete
original
configuration,
combined
with
the
unchanged
steel
frame
pavilion
covering
the
original
shape
square
pool
in
the
rear
private
garden.
There
is
not
a
day
that
many
people
stop
and
chat.
There
is
not
a
day
that
many
people
don't
stop
and
chat
about
the
house
and
take
pictures
as
a
highlight
of
deep,
well
estates.
A
It
is
a
building
that
contributes
to
palm
springs,
international
reputation
for
outstanding
mid-century
architecture.
Thank
you
and
I
guess
I
would
add
myself
that
the
there
are
many
structures
that
have
been
that
have
been
designated
in
the
city
of
palm
springs.
That
have
some
degree
of
alteration,
and
this
integrity
item
is
a
is
a
new
criteria
which
is
a
an
interesting
one
and
and
certainly
one
to
be
analyzed
and
possibly
codified
in
a
more
in
a
more
clear
way.
A
The
designation,
I
know
you
have
struggled
as
a
board
with
the
designation
between
class
1
and
class
2,
and
I
don't
envy
your
struggle
anyway.
I'm
sure
that
you
have
all
visited
the
house
to
me.
It
is
an
interesting
example
of
stuart
williams
work.
I
live
in
an
easter
williams
house
and
he
was
certainly
very
attuned
to
his
environment
and
to
the
predicaments
each
lot
presents
so
anyway.
It
steve
does
a
magnificent
job.
A
I
think
in
in
writing
these
these
nominations,
and
I
I
think
that
the
house
is
meritorious.
So
thank
you
for
your
attention
and.
B
Thank
you.
We
really
appreciate
the
input.
This
is
a
difficult
one.
I
agree
with
you
not
to
be
envied,
so,
mr
lyon,.
A
Yes,
so,
mr
chair,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
call
there's
two
members
of
the
public
who
have
requested
to
speak
via
telephone.
So
if
you
don't
mind
what
I'll
do
now
is
call
those
two
individuals.
The
first
is
steve
vaughn.
H
A
A
Well,
the
afghan
didn't
take
the
entire
ten
minutes,
so
I
think
we'll
be
open
to
hearing
additional
time.
H
I
think
it's
probably
like
six
or
so
I
actually
even
wrote
it
down
just
to
be
safe,
but
cut
me
off
if
you
need
to
but
I'll
I'll
go.
H
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening,
honorable
members
of
the
board
to
staff
and
to
ken
lyon,
of
course,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
regarding
the
class
one
nomination
of
the
theodore
and
marguerite
sutter
residents.
It
was
my
honor
to
have
been
asked
to
research
and
write
the
nomination
application,
which
is
before
you
for
consideration
tonight
from
the
time
of
its
completion.
H
Exactly
60
years
ago
this
month,
the
sutter
residence
has
stood
as
a
striking
landmark
representing
a
rare
residential
essay
into
the
brutalist
style,
as
designed
by
one
of
the
desert's
most
admired
mid-century
modernist,
easter
williams,
in
its
bold
use
of
industrial-aged
materials
such
as
concrete
steel,
aluminum
and
glass,
the
sutter
residence
represents
a
very
different,
yet
surprisingly
compatible
branch
of
the
mid-century
spectrum.
I've,
never
tired
of
marveling
how
much
williams
achieved
with
this
fascinating
house
in
both
style
and
livability,
and
how
he
managed
to
sneak
in
some
international
big
city
sophistication
into
attractive.
H
More
traditional
mid-century
and
ranch
designs
and
make
something
that
shines
but
does
not
overwhelm
the
neighborhood.
I
know
this
is
all
discussed
in
great
detail
and
nominations.
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
devote
the
bulk
of
my
time
to
address
the
issues
that
were
highlighted
in
the
city
staff
report.
I'm
load
the
question
anything
in
there
because
these
reports
are
always
done
with
such
competence
and
care,
but
I
must
disagree
and
disagree
strongly
with
the
assessment
that
the
residents
lacks
enough
integrity
to
earn
a
class
one
designation.
H
The
report
focuses
on
several
ways:
the
home
has
lost
critical
aspects
of
its
integrity,
first
being
the
replacement
of
the
original
opaque
glass
with
anodized
bronze
glass
in
the
entry
court.
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement
that
the
measure
of
a
structure's
integrity
is
not
based
on
it.
Never
having
been
altered
at
all,
but
how
inevitable
alterations
are
handled
is
the
change
consistent
with
the
architect's
vision?
Does
the
original
feeling
remain
and
are
the
materials
consistent
with
the
original
design?
H
I
believe
all
of
these
are
met
here.
The
original
intention
of
the
opaque
glass
was
to
bring
light
in
from
the
entry
court,
while
blocking
any
nosy
eyes
out
from
the
street
from
looking
in
the
new
glass
which
is
placed
in
its
original
framing,
achieves
the
exact
same
goal,
and
it
even
has
a
little
more
by
allowing
the
occupants
inside
to
see
out
but
not
be
seen.
H
H
A
second
note
pointed
to
the
addition
of
a
breakfast
nook
in
1991
on
the
home's
north
facade.
This
addition
fits
to
me
the
very
definition
of
how
to
properly
and
sensitively
add
pond
to
a
historic
residence.
It
was
placed
in
an
already
existing
void
which
had
been
planted
a
planting
bed,
so
the
concrete
wasn't
even
disturbed
the
same
steel
framing
and
type
of
glass
used.
In
fact,
the
north
wall
appears
to
be
the
original
just
pushed
forward.
H
The
third
issue
on
integrity
is
the
removal
of
the
original,
concrete
black
patio
wall
and
its
replacement
by
a
different
type
of
wall
during
the
expansion
of
the
pool
terrace.
I
should
note
we
don't
know
when
this
was
done,
as
no
permits
were
found
documenting
this
work
in
two
separate
searches
I
had
assumed
it
was
done
as
part
of
the
1991
renovations,
but
this
is
only
an
assumption.
H
The
staff
report
correctly
points
out
in
my
discussion
of
the
home's
design
that
mr
williams
sought
to
make
the
pool
quote
an
integral
part
of
the
master
suite,
as
well
as
the
eating
and
living
area.
He
achieved
this
in
two
ways.
For
one
he
created
a
fascinating
steel
frame.
Trellis
that
rose
up
over
the
pool
which
created
a
room
around
the
pool
complete
with
a
roof
and
walls.
Now
these
were
open,
of
course,
but
the
spiritual
and
visual
intent
was
and
remains
clear
today
as
it
was
when
it
was
built
in
1960.
H
The
second
way
achieved
this
was
by
the
creation
of
a
patio
wall.
I
think
there
is
a
great
temptation
to
consider
the
concrete
black
wall
as
a
part
of
the
house
itself,
but
it
is
in
fact
a
patio
feature.
I
went
back
to
double
check
that
mr
williams
had
said
about
the
wall
and
he
did
define
it
as
such.
H
The
patio
wall
made
up
of
maltese
cross
pattern
blocks
was
intended
to
further
the
sheltering
effect
and
provide
privacy
from
the
street.
The
wall
provided
a
modicum
of
privacy
while
creating
an
interesting
light
pattern
that
no
doubt
change
throughout
the
day.
However,
I
veer
from
the
staff
report's
description
of
the
black
wall
being
delicate
for
lacy.
To
me,
it
appears
quite
quite
a
solid
and
substantial,
as
noted
in
the
nomination,
the
original
owners.
The
soldiers
had
not
planned
on
doing
any
kind
of
major
entertaining
other
than
visits
by
their
daughter,
her
husband
and
grandchildren.
H
As
the
concrete
block
wall
built
to
the
very
lip
of
the
swimming
pool.
On
its
eastern
side,
the
home
had
only
a
small
section
of
outdoor
patio
space
ringing
around
the
other
sides.
This
modest
entertainment
space
appears
to
have
been
perfectly
satisfying
for
the
sutters
during
their
long
residency,
which
was
for
about
a
dozen
years.
However,
it's
understandable
why
subsequent
owners
felt
the
need
for
more
patio
space
and
the
only
logical
solution
based
on
the
tightness
of
the
lot,
was
to
expand
the
patio
terrace
out
eastward
from
the
pool.
H
This,
unfortunately
necessitated
the
removal
of
the
concrete
block
wall
which
could
not
be
replicated
in
such
an
expansion.
Instead,
they
built
a
solid
wall,
but
it
was
clear
they
were
trying
to
harmonize
with
the
original
design
by
replicating
the
same
type
of
wall,
sheathing
that
mr
williams
had
used
elsewhere,
vertical
aluminum
cheating.
Thankfully,
the
owners
completely
retained.
The
industrial
steel
quote
room
around
the
pool
during
the
remodel
I
get
the
impression
they
were
trying
to
do
as
little
harm
as
possible
during
this
expansion.
H
I
agree
with
the
staff
report
that
the
solid
wall
is
harsher
compared
to
the
original
concrete
block,
but
has
been
softened
by
the
landscaping,
and
I
assume
will
continue
to
be
over
time
further.
We
must
remember
that
mr
winds
wanted
this
house
to
be
a
representation
of
raw
industrial
age
materials
and
the
aluminum
sheathing
is
not
inconsistent
with
that
desire,
especially
considering
that
he
used
it
on
half
the
house.
H
I
think
the
two
things
may
have
been
at
work
in
this
expansion,
the
first
being
more
space
for
entertaining,
but
the
second
privacy.
The
concrete
black
wall
was
charming,
as
it
was,
would
not
have
provided
complete
privacy
for
the
home's
occupants,
particularly
at
night.
You
know,
maybe
the
stutters
were
skinny
tippers,
we
don't
know,
but
if
they
had
been,
you
could
see
through
to
the
pool
and
into
the
master
bedroom
with
minimal
effort.
H
The
new
wall
solves
that
issue
and
again
I
must
disagree
with
the
staff
report
that
it
does
not
take
away
from
the
light
and
airy
field,
but
rather
enhances
it.
You
can
still
see
the
top
of
the
steel
trellis
from
the
street,
and
its
eastern
beam
runs
concurrent
with
the
original
house,
so
the
effect
is
not
completely
lost
and
back
to
the
original
question
of
integrity,
does
this
change
the
architect's
original
intention
and
what
are
the
quality
of
materials?
I
assert
that
they
are
met
in
this
edition.
H
Mr
williams
wanted
to
create
a
sheltering
space
where
the
pool
felt
like
a
part
of
the
house
itself.
That
feeling
has
been
retained
by
the
pool
remaining
in
its
original
location.
The
steel
trellis
has
originally
built
and
located
and
the
new
wall
which,
although
moved
further
east,
still
provides
what
williams
wanted
privacy
and
light
in
60
years.
This
home
has
had
surprisingly
few
exterior
alterations
and
those
which
have
been
done
were
all
accomplished
while
maintaining
and
honoring
the
architect's
original
intentions.
H
Patio
is
larger
now
and
the
walls
are
of
a
different
type,
but
the
work
still
embodies
what
williams
intended
when
he
wrote
that
he
plans
the
house
to
be
quote
one
of
open,
airy,
almost
classic
simplicity.
I've
spent
so
much
time
studying
this
house.
I
feel
like
it's
become
an
old
friend
and
I'm
delighted
to
have
come
to
know
the
homeowner
steve
rose
an
art
and
historic
preservationist
who
loves
the
house
and
will
do
all
he
can
to
preserve
it
and
keep
it
in
such
a
way.
H
A
A
Yeah
we
have
one
more
person,
brad
dunning,
who
has
asked
to
speak
via
telephone.
A
A
Hi,
it's
brad,
I
keep
forgetting,
it
seems
he's
his
his
line
is
going
directly
to
voicemail.
So
what
we
might
do
is
have
additional
public
comments
and
then
we'll
try.
Mr
dunning
again.
C
C
B
F
Hi
good
evening
board
and
staff,
I'm
barbara
marshall
from
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation.
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
context
on
how
pspf
selects
properties
to
pursue
for
historic,
designation
because
of
our
public
association
with
historic
nominations.
Pspf
gets
many
requests
from
homeowners
and
business
owners
who
want
to
pursue
historic,
designation.
F
F
We
agreed
to
take
on
the
sutter
residence
only
after
a
site
visit
and
an
evaluation
by
very
knowledgeable
pspf
representatives,
while
the
sutter
residents
had
experienced
some
minor
alterations,
it
had
maintained
a
large
majority
of
its
integrity
and
possessed
many
outstanding
features
that
make
it
both
a
great
example
of
desert
modernism
and
a
fine
example
of
architect.
E
stuart
williams's
work,
the
class
2
designation
and
the
negative
connotations
second
class
brings
with
it
continues
to
be
a
problem.
F
Frankly
after
reading
the
staff
report,
which
I
believe
grossly
overstates
the
integrity
issues,
it
seems
we're
looking
for
a
reason
to
designate
something
class
2
just
to
show
it
can
be
done.
In
my
opinion,
the
class
2
concept
was
a
bad
idea
that
hasn't
improved
with
age,
I'm
sure
you'd
agree.
The
city
has
already
designated
some
class
1
properties
with
far
more
problematic
integrity
issues
than
this
outstanding
property.
F
B
Thank
you
greatly
appreciate
it
is
ron
available.
Does
he
want
to
speak.
F
B
Right:
okay,
that's
good!
We
appreciate
that
so
much.
Thank
you
and
did
we
have
any
luck
getting
a
hold
of
brad.
H
A
It
seems
his
phone
goes
directly
to
voicemail.
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
what
we
could
do
if
he
bob
does
make
contact
again,
we
could,
while
we're
still
in,
I
think,
the
public
hearing
part
while
we're
getting
ready
to
close
it,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
his
comments
if
all
possible
but
looks
like
it's
not
going
to
happen
right
now
so
looks
like
there
is
no
one
else
that
is
ready
to
that
has
asked
to
speak.
So
I
think
mr
lyon
did
you?
No.
There
is
no
one
else
who
has
asked
to
speak.
B
E
Okay,
well,
I
I
just
have
a
a
quick
question.
First,
I
have
quite
a
few
comments,
but
I'll
just
actually
begin
with
a
question,
so
you
know
steve
t
steve
stewart
williams
was
alive
and
working
really
hard.
You
know
in
1990
you
know
he
was
working
on
some
private
residences
and
he
was
working
on
the
palm
springs,
art,
museum,
expansion
of
the
steve
chase
wing
and
he
he
was
really
active
in
you-
know
1990
91
and
with
steve
bott's
report.
E
E
Does
anybody
know
if
steve
steve,
bott
would
know
or
anyone
else,
that's
a
question
that
I
have
that
you
know
came
to
my
mind.
That
would
make
a
great
deal
of
difference
in
in
these
alterations.
E
So
so
I'll
throw
that
question
out
and
then
I
have
some
other
comments,
but
I'll
save
those
for
a
little
later.
C
In
response
to
your
question
about
whether
or
not
stu
williams
was
participating
in
any
of
the
renovations,
I
do
not
know
all
I
know
about
this
is
what
I
had
read
in
the
report
and
the
information
that
mr
vaught
has
provided
to
us
today
via
public
testimony.
C
If
there
are
other
questions
that
we
want
to
go
back
and
speak
with
steve
again,
we
can
certainly
pull
him
in
on
a
telephone
call.
If
we
have
any
other
questions
for
him,
would
it
be
okay
with
you,
member
huff,
if
we
complete
and
continue
the
questions
here
and
we'll
bring
him
back
on?
If
there's
other
questions.
B
Okay,
all
right,
I
know
mr
kaiser
had
his
hand
up
as
well
and
his
also
mr
nelson
dan,
what
you
got
first,
okay,
I
agree
with
everybody.
This
house
is
meritorious
and
it's
wonderful,
however,
with
the
new,
with
the
new
designations
that
we
have
been
given
with
the
definitions
of
what
a
class
one
or
a
class
2
property
is,
I
have
to
say
that
this
is
a
prime
example
of
an
excellent
class
2
property.
B
D
Thank
you,
sir
well,
it
is
lamentable
that
the
alterations
that
we
made
were
made,
such
as
the
removal
of
the
concrete
green
block,
in
this
case,
a
concrete
green
block
wall,
does
not
a
house
make
and
also
the
white
milky
glass
of
lamentable
life.
D
D
D
My
first
impression
of
the
home
whatever
year
it
may
have
been,
was
that
it
was
so
incredible
and
I
never
knew
until
much
later
on
that
it
was
just
jewelry's
work
and
I
think
that
speaks
to
the
the
breadth
and
depth
of
visibility
and
the
variety
of
work
that
he
was
able
to
achieve
here
in
the
desert,
using
so
many
different
materials
and
architectural
styles
and
influences
so.
G
Well,
I
I
have
to
say
I
agree
with
with
jade.
I
think
that
there
are
minor
alterations
to
this
property
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
other
properties
that
we
have
classified
as
class
a.
I
think
that
the
opaque
glass-
yes,
it's
gone,
but
we've
heard
that
the
new
glass
has
the
same
intent
as
the
opaque
glass,
the
patio
wall.
The
removal
still
allows
for
that
pad.
That
pool
to
feel
like
a
room.
G
I
think
that
when
you,
when
I
look
at
the
picture,
the
61
picture-
and
I
drive
up
to
that
house
to
me-
it's
very
very
similar
yeah-
the
black
wall
is
gone,
but
the
as
it
was
stated,
we
have
the
corrugated
metal,
which
is
a
product
of
that
era,
and
it
does
a
good
job.
So
I
have
to
say
I
I
I
think
this
should
be
a
class
one
designation.
B
Thank
you
as
to
the
the
two
front
sides
of
the
house,
the
ones
with
the
pen,
the
on
the
north
side,
with
the
panel
that
have
been
changed.
B
The
great
thing
is
to
me
that
the
existing
panel
configurations
are
still
there,
so
it's
a
substitute
of
glass,
not
quite
sure
what
the
reason
for
that
might
have
been.
But
what
was
very
refreshing
to
hear
is
that
the
owner,
even
considering
that
it
might
revert
back
to
you,
might
revert
it
back
to
the
milky
glass,
which
I
agree
would
be
preferable,
but
but
it's
totally
reversible.
B
Some
of
the
things
are
not
been
done.
If
not
could
not
be
reversible,
but
that
that
one
element
could
that
to
me
takes
care
of
the
north
side
of
the
of
the
property
that
particular
street,
and
the
fact
is
mr
bot
pointed
out.
B
The
use
of
the
materials
was,
I
think,
highly
respected
when
that
change
was
made
on
the
screen
block
wall,
and
I
can
totally
understand
that
wanting
to
expand
patio
place,
it's
the
way
we
live
today,
but
I
realized
it's
also
the
way
they
lived
back
then,
but
that
to
me
would
be
with
all
that
property
that
you
own
and
if
you
can
enjoy
more
of
it,
then
that
to
me
was
a
natural
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
outdoor
entertaining
that
that
happens
in
palm
springs
always
has
so
the
fact
that
the
materials
were
thought
of
and
were
also
used
in
other
another
part
of
the
property
made
a
significant
difference
to
to
me
and
makes
me
feel
much
more
comfortable
about
this
as
a
as
a
class
one.
B
E
And-
and
I
I
do
have
another
comment-
if,
if
I
may,
mr
j,
so
of
course
it's
it's
a
fabulous
house
and
we
we
love
stu
williams
architecture
in
our
community
he's.
You
know
magnificent.
One
of
you
know
the
best
top
architects
and
and
and
we
do
have
to
strive
for
excellence
as
we
are,
improving
our
standards
and
and
striving
for
you
know
the
highest
excellence
week.
You
know
we're
reviewing
and
and
having
a
higher
criteria
than
in
the
past.
E
E
You
know
those
white
glass
walls
that
were
framed
in
that
black
steel,
you
know
were
very
strong,
visible
element.
You
know
with
the
minimal,
you
know
concrete.
In
contrast,
you
know
the
fragile
grass
glass,
the
strong
black
steel.
You
know
the
muscular
geometric,
concrete
walls.
It
was
a
wonderful,
mysterious
and
minimal
presence,
so
well,
captured
by
that
julia
shulman
photograph.
E
That
we've
been
all
looking
at
in
1961
and
without
those
white
glass
panels
it
it
seems
it
seems,
lost
to
me
more
more
than
anything
and
when
speaking
with
the
owner
mr
rose,
he
was
he
was
contemplating
and
interesting
in
in
replacing
those
those
panels
to
a
to
a
a
a
clear
from
the
clear
to
the
obscure
white
glass
panel.
So
so
that's
kind
of
my
big
question
is
that
would
make
me
feel
you
know
a
lot
better
about.
E
You
know
the
relationship
of
of
of
the
materials
that
we've
been
talking
about.
Of
course,
I
I
miss
that
marriage
of
the
steel
girders.
You
know
that
served
as
that
that
trellis
that
hovered,
you
know
over
the
the
concrete
block
wall
that
was
very
powerful,
and
that
was
a
nice
visual
relationship
and
a
strong
marriage
and
I'm
sorry
they
they
got
divorced
and
we
lost
the
wall,
moved
away
somewhere
else.
But
and
then
the
tiny
other
comment.
E
You
know
that
narrow
vertical
window
on
the
cube
that
faces
the
east
you
know
was
changed.
I
believe
to
a
different
glass
too
in
in
that
1991,
and
even
the
touch
of
returning
that
to
the
obscure
glass
would
give,
would
would
give
that
mysterious
and
minimal
kind
of
presence
of
strength.
E
So,
while
I
I'm
really
torn-
and
I
would
love
to
see
the
the
white
glass,
I
think
that
would
make
a
significant
difference
to
the
original
integrity
of
the
architecture.
B
You
know,
I
agree,
catherine,
that
what
I
was
going
to
propose
when
we
got
to
that
point
is
that
the
owners
expressed
an
interest
in
doing
that
and
that
that
would
be
a
part
of
the
that
would
be
a
part
of
the
the
nomination
process
that
we
would
that
we
would
include
in
in
a
motion.
B
But
oh
miss
dixon.
B
No
no,
I
was
I
was
just
going
to
go
back
to
catherine
and
ask:
do
we
still
need
to
get
mr
bot
on
the
line
and
if
so,
we
could
be
doing
that
while
linda
talks,
would
you
like
to
speak
to
mr
bud.
E
I
you
know:
that's
a
real
important
question
is
knowing
if
stu
was
considered
for
those
alterations
and
if
there's
any
evidence
that
would
be
very
important
to
me
to
know
that.
B
Great,
so
why
don't
we
david,
if
you
could
see
if
we
could
get
steve
on
the
line
and
then
miss
dixon?
If
you
could.
B
B
A
Okay,
steve:
did
you
hear
the
question
I
didn't
quite?
Is
it
possible
to
repeat
it
yeah?
So
the
question
was
whether
or
not
stuart
williams
was
if
he
had
input
in
the
changes
that
were
done
in
the
90s.
H
Oh,
yes,
that's
a
very
intriguing
question
and
we
don't
know
for
sure
that's
the
short
answer,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
on
the
1991
renovations
there
are
notes
that
are
written
on
a
few
of
the
pages
that
say
that
we're
going
basically
we're
going
off
the
original
1959
williams
plans
to
use
as
reference
during
the
course
of
this
renovation.
H
D
Steve,
if
you
can
hear
me,
my
question
is
whether
or
not
you
were
able
to
ascertain
if
the
previous
owner,
who
made
the
renovation
rick
lord
and
his
partner
if
they
had
any
original
photos
from
when
they
bought
the
house
before
they
moved
in
or
if
they
have
information
on
the
owner
before
them,
or
perhaps
the
realtor
who
had
the
listing
to
see
if
somebody
out
there
have
photos
from
prior
to
1991,
when
these
changes
were
made.
H
That's
a
very
good
question.
No,
I
wasn't
able
to
speak
to
the
prior
owners,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
see.
I
think
I
mentioned
in
my
my
statement
that
I
just
came
across
very
recently
an
ariel
from
1972
that
does
appear
as
if
there
is
an
extended
patio.
Unfortunately,
it's
just
not
good
enough
to
to
verify,
but
because
again
we
don't
know
whether
whether
it
was
done
in
91
or
was
done
at
another
time,
but
having
pictures
from
a
previous
owner
would
of
course
be
be
helpful
to
that.
H
D
Answer,
furthermore,
to
that
I
would
encourage
anyone
who's
able,
maybe
staff,
could
contact
benny
williams
or
work
with
the
author
of
the
nomination
to
see
if
that
owner
from
prior
to
rick
lloyd,
is
still
around
and
may
have
any
photos
or
photos.
Or
perhaps
someone
in
the
federal
family
is
still
accessible
and
able
to
provide
photos
just
for
documentation
to
have
on
file.
H
Absolutely-
and
you
know
jade
that
I
did
speak
to
sydney
williams,
who
was
so
kind
and
so
nice
and
she
told
me
that
that
she
had
she
was
curious
too,
as
to
whether
her
father-in-law
had
been
consulted
during
the
91,
the
91
renovations
and
but
in
her
paperwork-
and
you
know,
frank
lopez
and
stuff
we'd
all
look
to
see
if
there
was
any
documentation.
H
We
do
know
the
previous
owners
what
they
did,
because
we
just
uncovered
thanks
to
ken
who
was
able
to
pull
out
some
permits
that
related
to
a
previously
unknown
2011
renovation,
which
had
not
been
it
didn't
turn
up
in
the
original
search,
but
on
a
second
search
it
did,
and
so
I
was
able
to
get
a
good
look
at
what
the
house
configuration
was
during
that
2011
plan.
So
it
showed
obviously
that
the
blowout
of
the
patio
had
already
taken
place.
H
Well,
you
know
before
that.
So
at
least
we
knew
that
and
when
it
comes
to
the
glass
being
changed
out,
I
think
I
mentioned
in
the
report
that,
although
I
don't
know
with
100
certainty,
I
believe
it
was
done
in
91,
because
there
are
many
notes
along
some
of
the
drawings
that
say
the
dimensions
of
the
glass
and
that
it
was
going
to
be
tempered,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
some
more
glass
was
taken
out
and
replaced
during
the
2011
renovation
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
or
clarifies
anything.
B
Of
students,
we
have
them
on
the
line.
Okay,
then
I
will
also
ask
a
board
any
further
questions
or
comments
on
the
case.
Mr
dixon.
G
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
of
staff:
can
should
this
be
determined,
should
this
board
go
forward
and
want
to
nominate
this
for
a
class
one
nomination?
G
Could
we
include
in
that
motion
that
any
remodeling
to
the
house
on
the
outside
the
fence?
The
glass
has
to
be
done
according
to
historic
standards,
class
1
standards.
C
G
Correct
any
modification,
any
remodel
or
any
modifications
that
are
done
to
this
property
would
have
to
be
done
according
to
the
photo
the
1961
photo.
You
know.
So
if
they
wanted
to
put
up
a
new
fence
on
the
eastern
exposure,
it
would
have
to
be
a
block
wall
that
would
look
like
the
black
wall
in
the
photograph.
C
Well,
you
could
certainly
write
that
as
a
a
recommendation
within
your
motion
there's
a
number
of
ways
that
the
board
could
consider
this.
C
If
you
went
forward
and
nominated
it
as
a
class
one,
you
would
need
to
first
of
all
make
affirmative
findings
for
all
of
the
integrity
findings
which
I
don't
know.
If
you
can
do
but
number
two,
then
if
you
did
it
as
a
class
one,
you
would
make
that
as
a
statement
of
recommendation
to
the
owners
or
future
owners
subsequent
owners.
G
And
in
in
the
report
that
we
received
from
steve
it
talks
about
the
palm
trees
that
were
planted
back
in
1960
and
they're,
still
there
and
they're
quite
mature.
Can
those
palm
trees
be
a
part
of
the
class
of
the
historic
designation,
so
they
can't
be
removed
by
any
future
owner.
G
If
you
look
at
page
23
of
steve's
report,
you
can
see
the
three
palm
trees
he
talks
about
the
landscaping
and
how
they
used.
They
owned
the
the
lock
and
they
had
a
big
orchard,
but
they
sold
off
the
lot,
but
the
three
palm
trees
are
still
there.
D
Nelson
yeah,
further
to
the
current
discussion,
I
feel
like
entertaining
the
notion
of
a
class
two
recommendations:
the
pro
before
that.
If
the
owner
replaces
the
milky
glass
and
or
replaces
the
concrete
blocks
green
wall
original
to
the
house,
then
he
could
automatically
qualify
qualified
class.
One
designation
feels
to
me
like
punishing
the
owner
because,
as
we
have
already
established
in
all
of
our
discussions
and
has
been
established
by
public
comment
and
has
been
established
by
the
nomination
and
by
the
comments
from
the
preservation
foundation,
this
house
more
than
merit
class.
D
One
designation
and,
as
I
and
others
have
said
before,
this
board-
has
the
designated
properties
class
one
with
less
integrity.
So
I
don't
feel
that
it's
the
proper
thing
to
do.
I
feel
like
we're
penalizing
the
owner
in
this
particular
situation,
who
I
think
in
his
mind
when
he
was
buying
the
property,
in
my
opinion,
probably
felt
that
this
was
already
a
property
worthy
of
classroom
designation.
D
So
I
just
have
to
say
I
don't
agree
with
board
member
dixon's
suggestion
that
we
should
make
a
class
to
recommendation
with
the
pro
view
so
that
if
this
is
done
and
or
that
is
done,
then
as
the
staff
member
suggested,
then
it
could
be
automatically
upgraded
to
class
one.
I
don't
agree
with
that
course
of
action.
G
Mr
chair,
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
was
not
my
recommendation.
I
was
asking
a
question
that
if
we
move
forward
with
class
one,
if
we
could
put
those
things
into
the
scope
of
the
motion,
so
if
the
current
owner
ever
did
any
remodeling,
he
would
automatically
put
in
opig
and
block
wall.
I
didn't
say
anything
about
nominating
this
or
going
forward
with
class
2.
C
My
suggestion,
mr
chair,
if
I
may
just
make
a
comment
to
clarify,
remember
nelson.
C
D
If
I
may
reply,
I
don't
disagree
with
the
staff
comments
on
that.
My
response
to
that
would
be
in
terms
of
the
item
that
staff
brought
up
that
seemed
to
diminish
the
integrity
findings
such
as
the
removal
of
the
black
wall
and
the
removal
of
the
milk
glass
and
the
loss
from
whatever
loss
of
the
square
mapping.
D
What
percentage
of
overall
integrity
would
that
come
from
us?
Would
it
be
25
30
40,
because
if
it
is,
you
know
a
smaller
percentage
like
that,
then
you
still
have
more
than
50
percent
of
original
integrity
data
that
is
extinct
so
my
particular
opinion
and
feeling
on
it
is
that
the
percentage
of
integrity
that
may
be
lessened
or
lost?
D
C
B
B
B
You
know
that's
a
very
good
point,
and
this
is
a
a
perfect
example
that
I'm
going
to
recommend
to
when
I
get
to
staff.
B
We
have
in
the
last
two
years
been
struggling
with
and
and
have
been
criticized
about,
not
following
the
the
integrity
issues.
So
it's
like.
If
you
don't
stop
the
bleeding,
it
will
continue
to
go
on.
B
That
would
take
care
of
that
side
of
the
house
from
that.
One
issue
still
have
the
east
side
to
deal
with,
but
again
I
think
there's
reasons
for
today's
living
that
to
me.
That
would
nullify
any
concern
about
about
that.
B
So
I
think
that
to
me
I
think,
what's
coming
from
the
street,
I've
also
looked
at
this
this
way.
If
this
were
to
come
to
us,
let's
say
it
was
not
coming
as
a
class
one
nomination,
but
it
was
coming
to
us
for
a
major
renovation.
B
B
So
we
have
to
sort
of
look
at
that
just
hold
on
just
a
moment,
and
I
think
we
just
have
to
look
at
that
as
a
way
if
it
were
coming
to
us.
You
know
that
that
would
be
part
of
the
consideration.
C
When
you
look
at
applications
for
alterations,
it
isn't
that
someone
can't
renovate
more
than
25
is
that
when
you
have
the
25
or
more
threshold,
then
it
does
come
before
the
board
for
consideration.
Otherwise
it's
processed
at
an
hpo
or
staff
level,
so
just
to
clarify
a
subtle
nuance
in
what
you
said.
It
isn't
that
the
board
can't
consider
or
can't
approve
changes
to
a
structure
that
incorporate
more
than
25
percent
of
the
front
facade.
B
No
correct,
but
I
just
think
it
was
an
exercise
that
you
know
we're
going
through
this
whole
process
that
I
went
through
trying
to
look
at
it
from
different
angles.
That's
what
I
was
that's
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make.
Mr
nelson.
D
Could
you
tell
me
I
could
speak
yes.
Thank
you.
One
more
final
thought
on
this
issue.
So
a
couple
of
things
number
one:
when
the
liberal
authority
house
came
before
for
domination,
staff
recommended
it
as
a
class
too,
and
I
agreed
with
that
and
we
did
a
fight
with
it
and
we
were
able
to
see
that
there
was
very
little
integrity
remaining
from
the
era
in
which
laboratory
owned
the
house
and
made
his
changes
to
it.
D
The
owner,
of
course,
did
not
agree
with
the
class
2
recommendation
and
thereby
withdrew.
So
when
you
compare
that
property
to
this
property,
it
is
abundantly
clear
to
me
that
this
has
much
more
merit
or
classroom
designation.
D
If
this
fails
to
get
a
class
1
or
if
it
does
get
a
class
2,
then
you're
going
to
have
very
well
respected
organizations
in
the
community
and
very
well
respected
preservationists
in
the
community,
who
are
going
to
be
just
quite
frankly
confused
and
pulling
their
hair
out,
because
it's
not
like
for
like
that.
Little
actually
house
in
this
house
are
not
comparable.
It's
the
light
years
apart
and
you
know
to
the
average
person
looking
at
these.
They
would
probably
agree
that
one
certainly
merits.
D
D
We
can
put
in
that
with
that
space
in
mind,
and
he
and
any
future
owner
probably
wouldn't
want
the
house
if
they
lost
all
of
that
poor
adjacent
space,
which
would
basically
creating
an
outdoor
living
room,
an
outdoor
entertaining
room,
an
outdoor
kitchen,
which
is
making
the
pool
area
that
much
more
usable
and
devaluable
having
gone
to
an
architecture
and
design
council
cocktail
party
there.
D
I
can
say
that
without
that
area,
it
would
not
have
been
possible
to
have
that
party
around
the
pool
it
just
would
not
have
been,
because
they
were
able
to
use
that
for
staging
and
serving
and
pouring
and
all
that
stuff,
so
that
you
know
to
to
suggest
that
that
wall
would
have
to
be
put
back
in
order
for
the
home
to
possibly
receive
classroom.
Designation
is,
is
eliminating
an
area
and
a
space
that
has
become
part
of
the
home.
Now
over
time.
B
C
This
house
was
not
designed
to
hunt
to
hold
and
conduct
and
host
cocktail
parties
of
dozens
and
dozens
of
people.
This
house
was
designed
very
specifically,
it
appears,
or
a
couple
who
was
were
very
relatively
private
in
their
outdoor
use
of
this
home.
To
have
the
home
so
completely
enclosed
is
actually
a
historic
characteristic
of
this
home,
which
has
been
lost.
C
1
is
not
the
purpose
of
this
board
when
an
owner
buys
a
home
if
they
think
it's
historic,
that's
theirs
to
think,
but
this
board
does
not
have
to
go
ahead
and
designate
something
as
a
class
one
just
because
the
owner
thinks
it
should
be.
This
board
is
tasked
with
looking
at
the
ordinance
and
making
the
findings
appropriately
based
on
what
they
see
and
feel
in
the
home
or
in
the
property
in
general.
C
So
I
think
it's
very
important
that
the
board
not
lose
sight
of
what
your
ultimate
task
is
and
how
the
ordinance
is
written.
The
ordinance
is
written
and
uses
the
word
exemplifies.
That
is
an
exemplary
example.
That
is
an
outstanding
example
of
what
it
is,
and
you
know
I
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
what
you
have
before
you
right
now,
the
fact
that
you
know
you,
you
can't
even
recognize
the
house
today,
based
on
what
it
looked
like
in
the
1961
photos.
C
I
think
it's
very
telling,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
the
board
should
carefully
consider
the
notion
that
you
can
look
at
a
place
and
say
well
gosh
if
they
would
have
put
this
back
and
they
would
have
put
that
back
and
they
would
have
fixed
this
and
not
done
that.
C
Sometimes,
these
decisions
are
very
tough,
and
I
think
that
you
need
to
weigh
and
measure
the
recommendations
that
you
make
on
these,
based
on
maintaining
a
very
high
level
of
quality
to
our
historic
properties,
and
I
think,
if
anything
that
comes
along
that
just
gets
modified
and
chewed
up
and
changed
and
you
know
altered,
can
qualify
for
class
one
then
class
one
stops
holding
its
distinctive
characteristics
as
the
best
in
the
city.
B
Very
well
said:
that's
I
you're
registering
here
any
other
comments
from
any
other
members.
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
not,
then
I
think
it's
time
for
a
emotion.
E
Yes
and
it
sounds
like
stu
williams
was
possibly
consulted
in
1991
because
he
was
you
know
working
so
much
and
since
the
owners
at
that
time,
it's
noted
with
those
notes
that
that
they
had
access
to.
You
know
the
original
architectural
drawings.
So
I
feel
a
little
bit
about
better
about
that.
E
It's
it's.
This
is
very
difficult,
but
but
I
I
do
understand,
you
know
that
we
have
to
raise
our
standards
to
what
ken
lyon
just
reminded
us
about.
I
mean
this
is
a
fabulous
home
and
and
the
changes
that
it
made
are,
you
know
significant
to
the
lifestyle
of
today's
living,
and
I
you
know
I
now
I
you
know,
I
understand
why
the
concrete
block
was
moved
out
and
then
and
the
expanded
that
living
area
by
the
pool.
E
I
can
understand
that
I
I
miss
that,
but
I
I
really
would
like
to
see
that
what
the
white
glass
replaced,
the
white
with
the
you
know
the
black
frames
and
the
you
know
that
contrast
that
that
would
need
to
happen
for
me
in
order
to
take
to
consider
it
for
for
class
one
I
don't
think
class
two
is
a
is,
is
is
a
dirty
word.
E
I
we
we
have
to
get
beyond
that
and
it's
very
difficult
and
emotional
and
hard,
because
you
know
we
love
that
house,
but
but
ken
is
so
right,
you
know
we,
we
have
our
standards
and
you
know
the
the
standards
of
the
ordinance
and
the
integrity,
and
I
mean
it
has
great
integrity
now,
but
it's
a
different
integrity
integrity
than
what
it
was
in
when
it
was
built
so
darn
it
it's
hard.
B
It
really
is,
you
know,
and
speaking
of
that
ordinance,
I
guess
now
I'm
looking
back
and
seeing
you
know
that's.
I
fought
for
that.
Gordon
is
to
get
that
going
almost
for
three
years
and
now
it's
like
inviting
me.
B
Okay,
mr
burkett,
this
is
what
you
asked
for
right
and
it
was
to
raise
standards
and
and
to
be
more
in
sync,
for
which
we
have,
you
know,
say
more
than
one
time
it's
like.
Are
you
guys
ever
going
to
get?
You
know
in
sync
here
and
you
know,
do
your
job
about
dealing
with
integrity.
B
It
had
always
just
been
sort
of
like
glossed
over,
and
I
think
we're
at
that
point.
It's
just
unfortunate
that
it
happens
to
be.
You
know
this
particular
home,
which
everybody
obviously
already
expressed
their
opinion
about.
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
if
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table,
mr
nelson
are
the
motivated.
D
I
will
just
go
ahead
and
you
know,
given
that
everything
has
been
said
and
lied
out.
You
know
the
ordinary.
You
know
that
is.
That
is
what
drives
our
board.
We
must
no
matter
if
some
of
us
or
all
of
us
disagree
with
things
or
how
the
community
feels
we
must
abide
by
the
ordinance,
and
that
does
make
it
abundantly
clear.
D
It's
been
pointed
out
to
me
that
the
kirk
douglas
house
was
done
under
the
new
ordinance
and
it
also
had
major
integrity
issues.
So
would
that
designated
a
class
one.
D
Cook
double
fast
designated
the
class
one
yes
and
staffing
for
that.
Yes,
okay,
so,
given
that
it
had
major
integrity
issues
and
it
was
designated
under
the
new
ordinance,
why
was
that
given
or
recommended
for
class
one
as
opposed
to
class
2,
given
that
it
arguably
had
more
integrity
changes.
C
Are
you
asking
me
sure
first,
I
don't
know
if
it
has
more
or
less
integrity
issues
than
this
one.
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
review
the
whole
report.
C
But
if
I
recall
properly
on
that
one,
there
was
the
same
kind
of
discussion
and
I
believe
the
board
asserted
that
they
could
make
the
findings
to
in
support
of
class.
One.
D
Okay,
I
was
there
and
I
do
remember
a
little
bit
of
discussion
and
just
from
what
I
know
at
the
top
of
my
head,
I
do
remember
that
when
cooked
up
was
bought,
the
house,
the
exterior
wall,
was
a
little
lower
and
it
was
concrete
and
he
had
it
very
tired
and
faced
with
the
stone
or
rock
cladding,
and
I
believe
it
was
under
him
that
the
carpet
was
also
enclosed
to
a
garage.
D
C
D
Arguably
the
cook
douglas
was
not
the
original
owner
of
that
home.
He
was
the
second
owner.
The
original
owner
was
the
builder
contractor
of
that
house
and
had
it
for
two
years
before
kirk
douglas,
bought
it
and
moved
in.
D
Okay,
that's
well
taken,
given
all
that
I
still
am
inclined,
after
everything,
to
go
with
the
new
ordinance
and
to
go
with
staff
recommendation,
because,
ultimately,
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
follow
staff
recommendation
for
class
two
with
the
pro
refill.
D
D
It
was
suggested
earlier
that
it'd
be
an
andor
either
the
milk
cloth
or
the
concrete
clean
block
wall.
But
I
don't
think
that
that
wall
will
be
replaced
by
a
current
or
future
owner
because
it
would
substantially
alter
the
the
new
space
that's
been
gained,
and
I
can't
see
anyone
in
today's
world.
You
know
losing
that
extra
space
and
moving
the
wall
back
to
where
the
old
concrete
screen
block
was
so
again.
To
repeat.
D
My
motion
is
to
follow
staff
recommendation
for
class
2
with
the
preview
so
that
if
the
owner
replaces
the
milk
class,
he
automatically
triggers
class
1
definition.
B
D
C
If
the
current
owner
disagrees
with
the
hspb's
actions
today,
they
don't
need
to
appeal,
because
this
is
going
to
the
city
council
automatically
with
your
recommendation
in
terms
of
whether
a
future
owner
might
wish
to
take
this
matter
up,
they
would
not
be
able
to,
because
there
is
a
finite
period
within
which
an
appeal
can
be
filed.
Yep,
that's.
B
And
one
of
the
point
I'd
just
like
to
make
is
the
mills
act
is
still
available
as
a
possibility
or
a
class.
Oh,
I
don't
even
want
to
use
this
word.
B
Okay,
I
think
it's
very
important
there's
a
lot
in
how
things
are
expressed.
We
all
know
that
we've
all
conditioned
that
from
television,
so
for
a
structure
of
merit,
so
that
opportunity
definitely
exists,
and
I
just
think
that's
a
very
important
part
to
the
conclusion
of
this.
So
we
have
the
first
by
mr
nelson.
We
have
the
second
bite,
miss
gibson
and
I
believe
mr
nelson
has
agreed
to
your
latest
edition
about
the
palm
trees.
B
E
I
I
just
had
one
one
other
comment
that
I
wanted
to
make,
because
I
did,
you
know
speak
with
mr
rose.
Who
has
you
know
many
years
of
experience
in
historic
preservation
is
very
sensitive
and
you
know
he
said:
he's
restored
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
homes
and
very
sensitive.
So
I
very,
I
feel
very
confident
that
he
has
a
sincere
interest
in
in
replacing
that
white
white
glass.
E
B
C
I
just
want
to
add
one
postscript
that
I
want
to
commend
stephen
vaught
and
in
no
way
do
my
comments
and
opinions
on
this
in
any
way
diminish
my
respect
and
admiration
for
him.
As
an
author
and
writer,
he
does
extraordinary
work.
B
Yes,
I
agree,
and
his
reports
are
absolutely
right
on.
I
love
the
fact
that
he
does
an
executive
summary
right
up
front
and
which
is
the
great
lead-in
to
and
then
gives
the
back.
You
know
the
backup,
that's
necessary,
mr
nelson.
D
And
mr
lloyd
and
sentiment
in
no
way
do
my
comments
and
my
passionate
voice
on
this
particular
nomination.
D
Take
away
my
appreciation
for
staff
and
the
hard
work
that
they
do
putting
denominations
together,
because
I
know
that
they
have
a
lot
to
juggle
and
to
put
together
when
they
are
making
this
recommendation
for
us.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
we
are
moving
we're
moving
on
then
to
unfinished
business,
but
there
are
no
items.
So
we
will
move
on
to
new
business
item.
4A,
bruce
wells
of
flipping
toms
llc
owner
requesting
approval
for
a
major
alteration
of
the
single
family
dwelling
located
at
330,
west
stevens
road,
a
class
3
historic
site.
C
Yes,
mr
chair,
thank
you.
I
want
to
just
preface
this
by
noting
that
I
did
forward
on
to
each
of
you
additional
research
material
that
was
provided
to
me
by
member
nelson,
so
you
all
should
have
received
that
via
email.
Just
before
this
meeting.
C
As
noted
in
your
staff
report,
this
property
was
built
according
to
the
county
database
in
1946.
C
It
was
identified
through
the
recent
city-wide
historic
resource
survey
as
class
3,
but
in
the
notes
of
the
remarks
on
the
class
3
list,
the
consultant
noted
that
this
property
quote
unquote
could
be
or
may
be
significant
because
of
its
period
of
significance
as
a
pre-war
structure,
but
the
property
was
obscured
from
the
public
way,
and
so
they
were
unable
to
discern
or
identify
or
confirm
any
aspects
of
it.
C
Having
said
that,
all
of
you
have
had
a
site
visit
to
this
building
as
well
as
myself,
and
what
you
have
here
is
a
home
that
has
gone
through
many
many
decades
of
many
many
alterations
at
one
time.
It
was
apparently
used
as
an
assisted
living
facility
and
it
is
in
a
heavier
and
advanced
state
deterioration.
C
The
current
owner
is
looking
to
partially
demolish,
not
entirely
demolished,
but
to
partially
demolish
and
then
re-envision
or
rebuild
the
home
as
a
more
modern
structure
in
the
staff
report,
I've
reviewed
what
I
could
find,
both
through
my
research
and
through
that
provided
by
the
applicant
and
did
not
find
anything
that,
in
my
opinion,
was
able
to
be
found
to
have
met
any
of
the
seven
defining
criteria
for
historic
preservation.
C
Since
I
was
not
able
to
make
any
findings
in
support
of
the
seven
criteria,
I
did
not
go
further
in
any
analysis
of
integrity
and
you'll.
Note
that
that
is
my
comment,
that
is
on
page
four
of
the
staff
report
accompanying
your
staff
report
is
a
fairly
thick
pile
of
the
building
permits
for
this
property.
There's
also
an
executive
summary
that
the
applicant
provided
with
a
list
of
the
previous
owners,
which
is
very
lengthy.
C
C
So
our
recommendation
on
this
particular
one
is
to
take
no
action
and
allow
the
applicant
to
proceed
with
the
proposed
alterations
and
to
direct
staff
to
remove
this
site
from
the
class
3
list.
That
completes
my
staff
report
and
I'm
available
for
questions
and
the
owner
bruce
wells
has
been
here
patiently
waiting
with
us
and
would
probably
like
to
speak
on
this
as
well.
Thank
you
good.
B
C
He
is
here
with
us,
david
and
bruce:
can
you
unmute
yourself
and
live
and
live
in
his
camera.
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
seeing
none
any
further
questions
or
comments.
First,
before
I
go
to
the
motion
by
the
board.
Any
comments,
any
questions.
Okay,
so
we'll
now
go
to
a
motion.
Mr
mr
nelson
has
a
question:
oh
okay,
mr
nelson.
D
D
She
inherited
the
land
from
her
father,
william
bernard's
clancy
in
1929,
and
it
was
subsequently
subdivided
by
local
realtor,
rupert
j
chapman
at
the
trino
canyon
mesa
track,
of
which
there
were
three
tracks,
one
two
and
three,
and
that
subdividing
was
done
in
3435,
1934-75
and
marion
clarency
was
on
the
wellwood
murray
memorial
library
board
and
the
penguins
library
board.
She
was
a
big
pioneer.
The
first
homeowner
was
harry
harper
paige
26th
of
the
staff
report.
D
Most
of
these
pages
are
two-sided,
but
the
physical
page,
26
on
the
back
side,
have
a
permit
for
building
inspection
for
last
and
stucco,
which
is
dated
january
1946,
but
it
doesn't
fun.
Article
dates
back
to
1945
and
that
showed
that
was
when
the
building
permit
was
actually
pulled
and
charles
chamberlain,
the
builder
contractor-
and
he
is
a
very
important,
prominent
pumping
pioneer
builder
general
contractor
in
our
history
and
he's
done
many
loadings
of
note,
one
or
two
of
which
I
believe
are
already
designated
class
15..
D
So
it's
very
important
for
the
record
that
we
show
all
this
history,
which
is
why
I
sent
that
earlier
to
staff
and
harry
harper
was
a
publisher
and
he
was
very
involved
in
the
local
civic
community
and
the
second
owner
was
robert
osoria
and
he
and
his
brother
looked
at
his
house,
and
I
believe
that
mr
authoria
probably
bought
it
for
his
aging
mother
to
stay
in
from
time
to
time,
and
both
brothers
became
members
of
the
palm
springs
government
museum
in
1947.
D
According
to
desert
fun
articles
and
alfonso
authoria
went
on
to
become
a
noted
artist
and
he
went
to
harvard
and
he
studied
with
some
very
influential
people.
He
owned
a
jackson
park
painting
he
met
betty
parsons.
He
he's
very,
very
amazing.
Actually.
So
it's
a
very
important
positive
note
that
is
associated
with
this
address
and
one
of
his
pieces
was
sold
through
sotheby's
for
quite
a
lot
of
sum
in
the
1980s.
D
So
I
would
argue
that
the
period
of
significance
for
the
house
is
from
1945
until
the
late
50s
on
the
time
that
it
was
planned
through
the
time
of
the
second
opening.
Well,
I
know
it's
been
a
long
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
get
all
that
in
so
that
anyone
who's
watching
or
will
be
watching.
D
C
Well,
class
three
recognizes
that
there
may
be
something
potentially
historically
significant
about
the
house
as
it
relates
to
our
criteria,
and
so
what
the
board
is
tasked
with
today
is
to
evaluate
this
request
for
alterations
to
this
class
3
site
and
determine
whether
or
not
it
has
merit
it
has
enough
historic
significance
to
be
elevated
to
class
two
or
class
one.
C
If
the
board
today
finds
that
the
house
does
not
exhibit
that
type
of
historic
significance,
and
it
takes
no
action,
then
essentially
it
has
been
removed.
D
It
just
sort
of
doesn't
answer
the
question
and
I
just
asked
all
of
you
to
be
patient
with
me
so
part
of
my
understanding.
The
class
we
list
is
that
you
know
we
have
buildings
on
there.
We
have
addresses,
some
of
which
are
no
longer
there
or
buildings
that
were
historically
something
that
have
not
been
designated
to
a
higher
level,
nor
do
they
have
any
plaque
or
any
type
of
real
designation
other
than
just
being
what
I
would
consider
as
being
an
audible
listing
in
the
class
3..
D
D
D
You
know
with
our
own
eyes
that
it
truly
wants
our
permission
to
be
altered,
but
I'm
just
arguing
the
finer
point
of
the
fact
that
there
is
a
there
is
a
history
here
that
does
want
the
class
three
and
I
don't
see
why
that
class
b
goes
away,
even
if
there
are
alterations.
I
want
them
to
do
everything
they
want
to
do,
but
I'm
just
I'm
just
belaboring
the
point
a
little
bit,
because
I'm
not
entirely
clear
on
it.
C
Well,
when
you
say
that
the
site
has
enough
history,
to
quote
unquote
deserve
class
3
designation
is
a
little
bit
of
a
misinterpretation
class.
3
says
that
we
think
that
there's
something
that
may
be
historically
significant
about
this
property,
but
we
either
don't
know
enough
about
it
or
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
the
research
on
it,
but
we
look
at
it
with
the
potential
that
before
we
let
this
go,
we
want
there
to
be
a
look
by
this
board.
C
That's
what
the
nature
of
the
class
three
list
is.
I
don't
think
there
are
any
class
3
properties
that
are
vacant.
I
think
they
all
do
have
structures
on
them.
I
may
be
mistaken,
but
I
think
that's
the
case,
but
that's
the
nature
of
what
class
3
is,
and
you
know
if
you
were
to
take
a
site,
for
example,
that's
class
three
and
they're
requesting
you
to
demolish
it,
you'd
scrape
it.
It
would
be
off
the
class
three
list
in
this
case
you're,
taking
a
structure
that
is
going
to
be.
C
C
Three
is:
is
there
enough
here
that
we
should
stop
this
project
and
begin
the
process
of
getting
it
designated
and
if
it's
not,
then
you're
really
quote
unquote,
letting
it
go,
and
if
a
future
owner
comes
along
and
takes
mr
wells
renovation
and,
let's
say
15
years
from
now,
he
sells
this
home
and
somebody
else
comes
along
and
wants
to
do
a
renovation
on
it.
It
would
be
illogical
to
hold
that
person
back
up
and
drag
him
through
another
hearing
over
a
home.
C
F
E
So
I'll
make
a
motion
to
take.
No
action
allow
the
participant
to
proceed
with
the
proposed
alterations
and
direct
staff
to
remove
the
site
from
the
class
three
list
exactly.
A
It's
it
it.
This
has
been
really
entertaining.
B
I
guess
so:
okay,
moving
on
to
number
five
discussions,
the
preservation
matters
conference
planning
just
a
couple
of
things,
I'm
very
happy
to
support
that.
Our
new
mayor,
christy
hilsteig,
has
accepted
our
invitation
to
open
the
event
with
a
welcome,
and
this
now
completes
everyone
that
was
going
to
be
on
that
original
2020
event
at
the
convention
center,
which
is
now
going
to
be
scheduled
to
be
in
april,
and
we
may
have.
It
was
scheduled
right
now
to
be
18th.
B
We
all
probably
just
saw
modernism
week
is
adjusting
according
to
coveted.
We
may
just
adjust
that
by
a
couple
of
weeks
to
have
a
break
in
between
and
our
subcommittee
will
meet
on
that
and
have
those
discussions,
but
it
won't
be
a
huge
lag
time.
B
So
everything
is
on
board
with
that
which
I'm
very
happy
to
to
report.
So
that's
pretty
much
for
preservation,
matters
event,
and
it's
time
now
for
board
comments.
B
D
So
I
didn't
want
to
take
up
any
more
time
on
the
previous
agenda
item,
but
I
think
it's
worth
throwing
something
out
there
to
staff
about.
D
I
think
this
would
go
a
long
way
toward
creating
better
understanding
amongst
board
members
on
hspb,
better
understanding
for
city
staff,
better
understanding
for
city
council
members
even
and
for
the
community
at
large.
So
that
would
be
my
main
comment.
D
The
second
comment
is,
I
heard
input
from
the
community
during
our
meeting
where
we
considered
the
bob
hope
house.
Excuse
me,
not
the
bumper
house,
the
john
lautner
resident
for
arthur
l,
roth,
that
several
members
of
the
community
were
dismayed
by
comments
made
by
hsdb
members
that
we
spent
too
long
on
that
agenda
item
and
a
certain
member
or
two
were
chastised
for
saying
too
many
things
or
for
bringing
up
too
many
comments
for
and
or
opinions.
D
D
This
is
something
that
we
should
all
take
seriously
and
I
think
most
of
us
do
it's
not
a
light-hearted
thing:
we're
not
honored
just
for
fun,
we're
honored
to
bring
our
level
of
expertise
and
our
passion
and
do
what
you
know.
The
people
who
appointed
us
thought
we
would
do
and
the
unique
set
of
skills
that
each
of
us
would
bring.
D
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
very
proud
to
be
on
the
hsb,
and
I
know
the
rest
of
you
are
too,
and
I
just
hope
that
you
consider
all
of
our
opinions
and
actions
and
passion
equally.
B
And
jane,
I
would
just
like
to
piggyback
on
one
point
about
the
your
idea
of
having
a
study
session.
I
I
so
highly
believe
in
study
sessions.
B
What
I
was
going
to
suggest
is
that
we
have
that
as
soon
as
the
new
board
members
are
appointed
by
the
council,
which
would
probably
be
february,
looks
like
oh
it's
going
to
balance
out
and
I
think,
as
a
learning
curve,
it
would
be
very,
very
important
to
get
the
new
board
members
right
from
the
get-go,
because,
while
I
found
it
extremely
interesting
tonight
with
this
in-depth
discussions
that
we
were
having
in
a
way,
I
also
felt
like
we
were
holding
class,
and
you
know
I
so
I
think,
knowing
from
being
more
in
the
sink
and
in
the
understanding,
I
think
it's
where
you
were
going
up
front
would
be
very,
very
helpful.
B
So
I
I
thought
tonight
was
valuable.
Very
very
valuable
with
all
of
this
input
was
really
great
and
the
depth
of
research,
that's
being
shown
by
some
of
our
members,
is
just
really
what
is
needed
and
it
does
show
the
passion.
B
So
that
was
a
part
of
my
comments
for
this
evening
and
I
would
wholly
support
that.
We
that
we
put
this
and
if
we
want
to
put
it
on
a
discussion
item,
can,
if
that's
necessary
or
not,
but
that
as
soon
as
those
new
board
members
and
that
at
you
know,
maybe
if
you
think
they
should
have
at
least
one
meeting
under
their
belt.
But
it
should
be
done
as
soon
as
possible
and
let's
get
the
new
people
involved
here.
B
C
So
I
think
the
idea
has
a
has
a
very
positive
potential
and
I
certainly
will
take
it
up
with
director
flynn
when
I
have
a
chance
to
speak
with
him.
C
If
I
may
also
just
respond,
I
I
don't
know
if
member
nelson's
comments
and
concerns
about
use
the
word
being
chastised.
C
C
One
thing
that
we
did
speak
about
around
the
discussion
of
the
lrad
residents,
though,
was
outreach
by
individual
board
members
to
property
owners
or
others
outside
of
the
meeting
and
in
legal
terms,
that's
called
ex
parte
communications
and
it's
prohibited
under
the
brown
act,
and
we
did
have
a
brief
conversation
about
that,
and
just
so,
you
all
understand
when
you're,
considering
an
application,
you're
considering
all
of
the
material
and
the
evidence,
that's
been
presented
to
you
in
a
public
meeting,
so
you're
not
making
your
decision
based
on
information
that
you've
heard
outside
of
this
forum,
where
the
other
board
members
did
not
have
the
benefit
of
that
same
information
or
knowledge.
C
You
guys
do
a
wonderful
job
in
terms
of
taking
the
time
that
you
use
out
of
your
own
life
to
research,
these
projects
and
you're
you're
applauded
for
for
the
degree
of
research
that
you
do
just
always
be
mindful
that
when
you
are
looking
into
things
on
researching
of
a
particular
item,
that's
going
to
be
coming
before
you
on
the
agenda
that
anything
that
is
reviewed
where
you're
reaching
out
to
others
should
be
not
done
in
terms
of
reaching
out
to
owners,
and
things
like
that,
if
you
do
have
conversations
which
many
of
you
have
also
done
this,
which
is
correct,
always
identify
when
you
come
into
the
discussion
by
the
way
I
had
a
conversation
with
mrs
smith,
who
gave
me
this
information
so
that
it's
very
clear
and
transparent.
C
B
And
my
last
comment
is
going
to
be,
I
think
we
should
bestow
a
new
title
on
mr
lyons
and
it
would
be
calling
him
professor
lions.
D
Just
to
respond
to
staff,
my
comment:
did
it
had
nothing
to
do
with
what
staff
had
said.
It
was
a
comment
that
was
received
by
me
privately
from
a
member
of
the
community
that
other
board
members
of
the
hstb
seem
to
be
discounting.
D
The
question
that
perhaps
I
was
raising
at
that
particular
meeting
that
maybe
had
fallen
out
of
the
scope
of
that
particular
board
member's
understanding
and
just
to
go
a
little
further
with
mr
lyon's
comment
regarding
that.
I
do
think
that
it
is
critical
in
moving
forward
that
somehow.
D
I
think
more
dependent
on
answering
a
lot
of
these
things
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
being
utilized
as
much
lately,
but
I
think
that
the
hrpb
board
members
have
a
wealth
of
knowledge
and
time
to
help
assist
city
step,
should
they
not
have
the
the
time
or
the
information
readily
at
their
fingertips.
So
that
would
be
my
main
observation
on
that.
Thank
you.
C
My
only
question
was
for
those
of
you
that
reviewed
or
watched
many
of
the
videos
and
so
on
from
modernism
week.
Did
you
all
see
the
cornelia
white
residence
documentary?
I
didn't.
B
C
Is
it
really
it's
really
a
a
wonderful
homage
to
the
work
that
this
board
does,
as
well
as
to
the
amazing
commitment
that
the
city
council
made
from
a
financial
perspective
and
energy
to
save
that
building?
And
if
you
don't,
if
you've,
not
seen
the
video
I'm
going
to
be
working
with
it,
to
try
to
get
it
up
on
the
website
so
that
it's
available
for
the
public.
B
Ken,
it's
also
going
to
be
a
presentation,
as
you
know,
at
preservation
matters
as
well
coming
up,
so
you'll
be
able
to
see
it.
That
way.
C
It's
a
really
wonderful
piece,
obviously
one
little
tidbit
of
one
little
property,
but
it
represents
hours
and
hours
and
hours
of
careful
deliberation
by
the
hspb
staff,
the
city,
council
and
others.
And
it
was
it's
a
great
little.
Video.
B
So
seeing
no
more
comments,
I
would
ask
that
the
historic
site
preservation
board
returned
to
its
regularly
scheduled
meeting
on
tuesday
january
2020,
and
now
I'm
going
to
resume
the
evening
with
my
birthday
partner,
mr
russ.