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From YouTube: Historic Site Preservation Board | June 7 2022
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Regular meeting of the City of Palm Springs Historic Site Preservation Board (HSPB), held June 7th, 2022
A
B
A
Okay,
I
have
a
motion
by
miller.
May
I
have
a
second
to
the
motion.
Please
vice
chair
nelson
second,
some
motion
is
there
any
discussion.
A
Okay,
saying
none
I'll
call
for
the
vote
all
in
favor,
please
say
I,
I
okay,
any
opposed
okay
motion
passes
forward
to
to
zero.
Next.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
sites,
preservation
board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter
of
the
jurisdiction
of
the
board.
A
B
B
D
D
Many
conversations
are
had
at
our
beautiful
pool
with
fantastic
views,
along
with
our
many
social
events
that
include
residents
along
with
renters
and
snowbirds
and
previous
owners.
Much
of
our
social
history
has
revolved
around
two
residents.
Pearl
davis
and
pearl
white
pearl
davis
is
still
living
in
springfield
illinois
at
105.
D
D
Pearl
davis
was
a
pool
person
up
till
a
hundred
years
of
age.
She
often
chatted
and
played
cards
with
her
friends
at
the
pool.
Everyone
knew
the
pearls
and
to
honor
pearl
davis.
We
are
commemorating
a
table
at
the
pool
with
a
plaque
also,
we
will
be
featuring
them
with
a
collage
on
our
wall
of
historic
memorabilia
in
the
clubhouse
pearl's
pictures
are
also
featured
in
published
books
in
palm
springs.
D
We've
enjoyed
catered
parties
potlucks
at
the
clubhouse,
where
we've
had
fourth
of
july
super
bowl
parties
card
players.
They
often
use
the
clubhouse
that
has
promoted
the
feeling
of
family,
referred
to
as
our
villa
roma.
Family
activities
are
also
enjoyed
in
our
temple,
garden
or
temple
of
venus,
often
referred
to
as
our
rotunda.
D
Meaningful
contributions
to
our
city
and
community
are
also
enjoyed
them
at
the
temple
of
venus.
We've
also
had
weddings
meals
along
with
cocktail
parties
are
often
held
here
to
enjoy
our
views,
our
beautiful
fountain
and
its
water
features.
We
are
a
community
of
heart
that
truly
enjoys
the
heart
of
our
grounds.
The
clubhouse,
the
pool
and
the
spa
residents
know
that
our
community
is
filled
with
elderly
residents
that
might
need
rides
and
care
snowbirds
return
every
year
to
enjoy
our
spectacular
pool
from
the
very
beginning.
D
B
Thank
you,
mr
ari.
Anybody
else
wishing
to
speak
on
the
villaroma
application
would
be
able
to
do
so
during
the
public
testimony
period.
This
particular
part
of
the
agenda
is
for
those
people
who
are
wishing
to
speak
on
anything
related
to
the
matter
of
the
historic
site,
preservation
board,
those
wishing
to
speak
during
the
public
testimony
on
villaroma.
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
so
when
the
chair
announces
that
opportunity
for
you.
F
Would
you
like
to
go
ahead?
Please?
Yes,
thank
you
so
much.
My
name
is
marcy
surface
and
I
own
the
property
at
388,
east
valmonte
norte
in
the
movie
colony
and
my
neighbor,
and
I
steve
eckles
who
lives
right
across
the
street
steve's
traveling
tonight.
F
But
he
told
me
that
there
would
be
this
meeting
and
so
just
wanted
to
bring
up
a
topic
which
is
likely
in
the
historic
realm,
which
is
that
our
neighbor
directly
next
door
to
stephen
right
across
the
street
from
me
at
3,
5,
9,
east
valle,
monte
norte,
has
completely
torn
down
their
house
without
any
permits
and
it's
it's
completely
gone
completely
leveled,
and
so
we
believe
that
that
is
obviously
an
issue
and
they
do
have
a
red
tap
a
red
tag
on
the
property.
F
A
G
Just
on
page
three
of
four
under
staff
comments
at
the
bottom,
this
is
in
regard
to
it's
just
a
typo
with
regard
to
the
organ
tree
in
and
the
carving
in
the
moor
says
1999,
and
I
believe
ken
or
mr
lyon
can
confirm.
The
staff
report
says
that
it
was
1995.
A
For
that
direction,
yeah.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Okay,
any
other
revisions
to
the
minutes.
Vice
chair,
nelson.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
ma'am
trust.
I
have
two.
The
first
one
is
on
page
one
under
public
comment
regarding
the
comment
by
dicta
cat
speaking
about
a
recent
fire.
He
has
specifically
said
the
fire
at
the
community
church,
so
the
record
should
be
plus
that
and
then
on
page
three
of
four
under
board
member
comments
when
it
mentioned
by
sharon.
Nelson
myself,
the
second
lines,
359
east
del
monte
norte-
and
I
remember
saying
vowel
monty
norte,
so
this
is
b-a-l-m-o-n-t-e
are
one
word
and
that's
it.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
have
a
motion
by
member
miller.
Is
there
a
second
to
the
motion?
Second,
okay?
So
a
second
by
member
hanson.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
those
minutes?
Okay,
seeing
none?
I
will
call
for
the
vote.
All
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
say:
aye,
okay,
any
any
discussion
or
any
any
opposed.
A
Okay
motion
passes
four
to
zero.
Let
us
proceed
to
agenda
item
two:
a
public
hearings,
an
application
by
the
villa
roma
homeowners
association
for
the
historic
district,
designation
of
the
villa
roma
garden
homes
located
at
2500,
south
sierra
madre.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report.
This
was
an
application
that
was
brought
forward
by
the
community
that
is
referred
to
as
villaroma.
The
roma
is
the
69
condominium
complex,
located
at
approximately
five
acres
at
the
south
east
corner
of
sierra
madre
and
east
avenida
granada.
It
was
developed
in
1964
and
is
developed
by
orange
county
developer,
dominic
strugola
and
was
designed
by
architect
james
schuler,
it's
within
the
r2
zone,
and
it
has
a
density.
B
That's
just
less
than
the
maximum
permitted,
which
is
about
14
dwelling
units
per
acre
in
your
report
and
I'll
go
through
this.
Summarily
the
proposed
district
boundaries
are
the
entire
villaroma
complex,
as
shown
on
the
image
on
page
2.,
the
list
of
potentially
contributing
structures.
They
are
proposing
that
all
20
structures
that
are
within
that
proposed
district
would
be
listed
as
contributing
they
did
not
identify
the
period
of
significance,
but
the
staff
reports
suggest
that
it
could
be
proposed
to
be
the
period
during
its
construction
from
1964
to
65.
B
Application
or
ordinance
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say
provides
an
outline
for
how
applications
for
historic
district
designation
are
to
be
processed,
and
so
your
staff
report
begins
to
reflect
that
process
and
the
analysis
therein.
B
So,
on
the
on
page,
three
of
your
staff
report
there's
some
discussion
there
about
the
proposed
district
guidelines,
and
I've
noticed
some
concerns
that
I
have
about
it
that
if
this
does
go
forward,
I
believe
there
are
some
things
in
those
proposed
guidelines
that
do
need
to
have
some
improvement.
B
It
also
talks
about
property
owner
support
and,
as
somebody
earlier
mentioned,
this
proposed
nomination
does
have
the
majority
of
property
owners
support
the
character,
defining
features
if
this
were
to
be
nominated
as
a
historic
district
begin
the
discussion
on
page
4
of
my
staff
report
and
continues
over
onto
page
five,
the
report
beginning
on
page
six,
I
begin
to
talk
about
our
analysis
of
the
project.
B
The
report
asserts
that
villaroma
is
a
fine
example
of
guard
department
building
types.
However,
as
we
reviewed
it
at
the
staff
level,
we
found
that
the
general
lack
of
open
space
the
tightly
packed
buildings
carport
drive-in
aisles
in
between
did
not
reflect
the
classic
or
tapat
typographical
condition
of
a
garden
apartment.
B
The
aerial
image
on
page
6
shows
that
aspect
of
the
project
we've
also
provided
some
additional
photos
on
the
top
of
on
page
seven
and
a
bit
more
on
page
eight,
the
overall
historic
district
requirements.
If
we're
making
an
application
begin
on
page
eight
and
there
you
can
see,
almost
all
of
the
requirements
have
been
met
and
those
where
they
were
not
met.
We've
provided
some
suggestions
or
recommendations.
B
And
those
dates,
if
I
can
refer
them
for
you-
was
october,
2nd
december,
4th
and
february
5th.
There
is
an
error
there.
It
was
february
5th,
2021,
I'm
sorry
2022,
not
2021.,
so
evaluating
a
historic
nomination.
There
are
a
series
of
seven
criteria
that
the
board
must
make
affirmative
findings
in
order
to
make
a
nomination
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
B
We've
analyzed
this
project
in
this
application
against
those
criteria,
one
being
that
the
associate
the
resources
associated
with
events
that
have
made
significant
contribution
to
the
local
state
or
national
history.
The
report
does
not
assert
that
there
are
any
particular
events
that
make
this
property
historic
criterion.
Two
is
that
it's
associated
with
lives
of
persons
who
made
a
meaningful
contribution
to
national
state
or
local
history
and
again,
the
report
does
not
identify
that
there
are
any
individuals
who
would
be
of
any
particular
historic
significance
associated
with
the
area
in
question
criteria.
B
Three
is
that
it
reflects
or
exemplifies
a
particular
period
in
national
state
or
local
history.
In
this
case,
the
report
asserts
that
the
villa
roma
complex,
exemplifies
the
post-world
war
ii
period
in
development
in
palm
springs,
which,
in
our
historic
resources
report
for
the
city,
is
listed
as
1945
to
1969..
B
It
report
asserts
that
the
villaroma
complex
is
a
primary
and
largely
intact
example
of
a
building
type
of
significant
modernist
architecture,
for
which
palm
springs
is
widely
known.
However,
we
are
now
analyzing
the
staff
or
the
project
believe
it
is
not
a
noteworthy
example
of
the
garden
topology
because
it
lacks
many
of
the
key
characteristics
of
the
garden
apartments,
namely
large
open
expanses
of
space,
relatively
low
density
perimeter
parking.
These
qualities
are
not
present
at
bill
aroma.
B
The
architecture
of
the
buildings
at
villaroma
is
plain
utilitarian
and
rather
undistinguished,
and
it
is
not
a
noteworthy
example
of
the
modernist
or
desert
modern
architecture
from
the
mid-20th
century,
for
which
palm
springs
has
become
internationally
known
desert.
Modern
is
characterized
by
an
expansive
use
of
glass
and
sliding
doors
that
blur
the
line
between
indoors
and
outdoors.
It
is
not.
B
At
villaroma
there
are
very
small
patios
that
do
have
sliding
doors,
but
that
quality
of
indoor
outdoor
connectivity
is
not
present
in
the
general
character
of
the
complex.
Nor
are
there
the
deep,
generous
cantilevered
eaves
that
would
protect
the
glazing
from
the
intense
desert
sun,
which
is
also
a
common
feature
of
desert.
Modern
architecture
desert
modern,
is
also
characterized
by
the
use
of
common
materials
such
as
corrugated
metal,
exposed
masonry
units,
thin
fascias
that
stress
the
horizontality
of
the
buildings
and
architectural
screens,
or
breathe
solely
paddles
over
windows.
B
B
So
the
the
analysis
that
I've
provided
in
this
is
the
villaroma
complex
is
generally
a
complex
of
rather
undistinguished
boxy,
repetitive
architecture
in
a
tightly
packed
site
plan
with
conventional
windows.
Virtually
no
solar
control
on
the
buildings,
the
roman
statuary
benches
planters
and
iconic
columns
are
kitschy,
but
not
architecturally
or
historically
significant,
as
such
staff
has
asserted
that
the
project
does
not
qualify
as
a
historic
district
under
criterion
three
and
that
of
a
period
criterion.
B
B
The
report
talks
about
villaroma,
as
in
as
a
fine
example
of
the
garden
apartment
type
of
multi-family
dwelling.
That's
not
what
this
particular
criteria
is
trying
to
analyze.
The
buildings
at
villaroma
are
basically
in
terms
of
their
construction
characteristics
very
common.
It's
a
basically
a
stick
built
stucco,
clad
conventional
type
of
construction,
and
there
really
is
nothing
about
its
construction
that
make
it
particularly
historically
significant.
B
On
the
top
of
page
12,
I
provide
an
image
that
shows
some
of
the
types
of
of
garden
apartments
that
are
outlined.
There
is
a
fairly
important
report
that
was
done
for
the
la
conservancy,
which
the
report
does
reference
by
architectural
resources
group
which
talks
about
the
characteristics
of
garden
apartments.
B
B
Criterion
5
talks
about
the
work
of
a
master
builder
architect
designer
whose
individual
genius
has
influenced
his
age
or
that
possesses
high
artistic
value.
The
report
on
page
44,
the
historic
resources
report,
identifies
that
the
district
is
significant
because
of
its
architect,
james
schuller,
who's,
credited
with
its
design.
B
Schuler
was
noted
as
being
prolific
in
terms
of
the
production
of
residential
dwellings
to
a
great
extent
on
in
the
state
of
hawaii.
However,
for
this
particular
category
to
be
eligible,
that
person
of
significance
has
to
be
demonstrated
that
he
has
influenced
his
age.
That
means
that
he
has
influenced
his
profession
by
his
architectural
prowess
or
design
quality.
And
again
we
assert
that
this
is
not
the
case.
B
James
schuler
was
essentially
a
production
architect
of
tracked
homes,
and
his
architecture
did
not
rise
to
the
level
of
being
an
example
or
setting
the
standard
for
others
in
the
architectural
profession
beginning
on
page
13,
I
vandalized
the
villaroma
nomination
relative
to
the
characteristics
of
integrity.
B
Design.
Design
as
an
integrity
is
a
factor
that
villaromer
suffers
from.
There
have
been
a
number
of
assortment
replacement
windows,
doors,
surface
mounted,
conduits
security
gates,
corrugated
plastic
patio
covers
and
non-original
gutters
and
downspouts
door
hardware
and
exterior
light
fixture.
As
such,
the
uniform,
designed
character
of
the
dwellings
has
been
diminished.
B
Setting
the
villaroma
complex
is
located
in
a
fully
developed
part
of
the
city,
surrounded
by
other
fairly
dense,
multi-family
residential
developments.
The
southern
part
of
the
city
in
which
it
was
located
was
still
relatively
open
and
undeveloped
in
the
early
1960s
now
mostly
built
out.
It
does
not
reflect
the
same
kind
of
setting
that
was
there
when
it
was
built
in
the
1960s
materials.
B
The
integrity
of
materials
is
that
the
property
still
retains
the
basic
materials
that
it
was
built
of
stucco
and
dimensional
number,
which
are
still
evident,
so
it
does
retain
its
integrity
of
materials
workmanship.
The
workmanship
of
the
structures
at
villaroma
is
of
an
average
quality
found
in
similar
multi-family
developments
from
the
1960s.
B
The
workmanship
appears
in
somewhat
poor
and
in
irregular
alignment.
When
you
look
at
the
finishing
of
the
roof
flashings
the
flashings
of
the
chimneys,
the
intersection
of
the
varying
materials
and
textures
at
corners
and
intersecting
planes
that
are
not
particularly
well
detailed.
There
are
photos
showing
the
examples
of
this.
On
page
14
and
15
of
your
report
feeling
much
of
the
original
turf
that
was
part
of
the
original
villaroma
project
has
been
removed
and
converted
to
desert
landscape
the
co.
B
The
community
has
become
a
very
dry
and
barren
looking
grouping
of
buildings,
and
as
such,
we
have
concluded
that
the
integrity
of
feeling
has
also
been
diminished
by
the
the
very
wide
conversion
of
turf
to
desert
scheme.
B
B
Most
of
the
statuary
and
cast
concrete
elements
are
of
a
type
that
is
commonly
available
for
many
of
the
gardener,
landscape
stores
and
yards.
So
in
terms
of
its
association,
as
the
report
does
assert
that
this
had
an
association
with
the
early
60s
following
much
of
the
country's
fascination
following
many
of
the
hollywood
movies
that
came
out
in
the
50s
and
60s
with
roman
based
themes,
it
is
a
weak
connection
at
best
in
terms
of
the
scattering
of
precast,
concrete,
roman
type,
embellishments
and
features
at
villaroma
there.
B
There
is
a
roman
themed
character
to
the
overall
property,
but
to
say
that
it
is
historically
significant
or
exemplary
is
one
that
staff
does
not
concur
with
defining
historic
characteristics.
On
page
16,
we've
talked
about
the
historic
characteristics
that
were
listed
in
the
historic
resources
report.
B
I've
not
gone
into
further
discussion
on
this
in
part,
because
my
report
is
to
not
recommend
designation
here.
However,
if
the
board
does
choose
to
move
forward
with
a
possible
recommendation
for
designation
the
earlier
lists
on
page
19
and
41
are
those
elements
that
the
author
asserts
are
the
physical
character.
Defining
features
of
this
particular
proposed
district.
B
This
kind
of
conclusion
does
not
come
easy
for
the
person
in
my
seat,
who
is
the
city's
historic
preservation
officer,
but
in
order
to
really
understand
the
findings
in
the
staff
report
and
the
reason
that
it
does
differ
from
that
of
the
historic
resources
report
is
that
we
have
to
look
at
these
things
objectively.
We
have
to
make
these
findings
according
to
our
criteria,
and
that
is
what
we
were
not
able
to
find.
B
If
the
board
chooses
to
move
forward
with
a
recommendation
to
designate
this
area
as
a
historic
district,
the
board
must
make
the
same
objective
criteria,
findings
that
we
have
to
do
at
staff
level.
So
I
will
close
and
conclude
my
staff
report
with
that
that
we
do
not
recommend
designation
of
this
property.
B
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
trip,
so
staff
member
lyon
question
for
you,
then.
Yes,
we
have
well.
Obviously
we
have
four
people
here
tonight
who
can
vote
on
this.
So
if,
for
some
reason,
emotion
is
made
in
support
of
designation
would
be
possible
to
make
that
motion
with
the
amendment
that
the
hrpb
would
need
additional
time,
like
60
days
and
90
days,
to
study
this
further
to
be
able
to
bring
stuff
the
the
that
satisfaction
of
the
the
seven
standards.
H
B
So
the
question
would
be:
if
you
were
to
make
a
recommendation
for
historic
district
designation
tonight.
Could
you
condition
it
that
it
your
your
application
or
your
action,
isn't
taking
place
until
60
days
from
tonight?
No,
that
would
not
be
a
reasonable
emotion
to
make
if
you
wish,
if
you
feel
that
you
do
not
have
enough
information
tonight
to
make
a
recommendation
either
affirmatively
or
to
not
designate.
G
Yes,
I
have
a
couple
of
clarifications,
maybe
on
the
process.
Generally,
you
had
indicated,
mr
lyon,
that
there
were
some
concerns
of
yours
with
the
design
guidelines,
but
it
also
said
they
were
submitted,
presumably,
as
the
proposed
district
district
guidelines
do
we
have
any
I
mean
I'm
assuming
those
were
the
guidelines
the
historic
district
had
been
using.
G
B
G
Second
question
was
about
the
the
contributing
resources
and
I
think
it's
clear.
You
know
how
many
resources
there
are,
but
I
think
you're
saying
in
the
table
on
page
nine
that
they
didn't
necessarily
provide.
G
You
know
a
discussion
of
each
of
the
buildings
and
why
they
do
or
do
not
retain
integrity.
Is
that
what
you're
asserting
in
the
report.
B
Yes,
the
report,
the
historic
resources
report
analyzed
this
all
of
the
buildings
and
all
of
the
parcels.
Collectively
there
was
not
an
individual
analysis
building
by
building
or
parcel
by
parcel
of
its
of
its
quality
or
characteristics.
B
Well,
the
ordinance
does
identify
it
that
way,
we
it's
not
uncommon
for
us
to
see
historic
district
nominations
that
are
comprised
of
condominium
complexes
to
to
to
make
a
blanket
set
of
assertions
about
the
nature
of
all
of
the
buildings
in
the
complex
because
they
are
generally
all
the
same.
So
you
have
many
different
complexes
that
are
like
this.
B
The
thing
that
would
normally
you
would
normally
see
if
this
was
a
a
non-condo,
complex
type
of
application.
Where
you
had
a
conventional
historic
district
of
buildings,
built
at
varying
times
by
varying
architects,
you
would
be
required
to
do
an
individual
analysis
of
the
character
defining
features.
B
G
But
I
I
do
at
the
same
time
appreciate
the
approach
taken
in
the
report
to
you
know.
Looking
at
this
as
a
whole
as
a
you
know,
historic
district
and
not
picking
it
apart
in
terms
of
you
know,
alterations
to
a
door
or
a
window.
I
mean
there's
cumulative
effects,
certainly,
but
generally,
I
think
you
look
at
a
historic
district
in
terms
of
those
alterations
and
issues
of
integrity
differently
than
you
are.
If
you're
looking
at
each
and
every
building
individually,
right.
A
Following
up
on
member
hanson's,
question
just
made
me
think
if
a
discussion
led
to
like
separating
the
the
clubhouse
from
the
condos
or
separating
you
know
the
the
the
the
venus
the
venus
park
from
the
condos
could,
could
they
be
analyzed
individually
and
separated
for
historic,
designation
or
not.
B
Well,
the
application
has
been
submitted
as
a
district,
and
so
within.
This
proposed
district
are
a
number
of
features
and
that's
the
way
that
they
have
approached
this.
If,
if
this
was
identified
as
a
historic
site
where
there
was
an
individual
resource
that
was
being
considered,
for
example,
a
park
or
a
particular
parcel,
you
could
consider
something
like
that.
B
A
A
Okay,
seeing
no
further
questions
from
the
board
of
staff,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
welcome
mr
bot.
You
have
10
minutes
to
present
and
and
then
two
minutes
of
rebuttal,
if
desired.
After
all,
the
public
comments.
So
please
welcome
mr
vaught.
J
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
all
members
of
the
board
and
to
city
staff,
ken
lyon
and
david
newell.
I
appreciate
you
guys
letting
me
come
and
speak
on
this
interesting
application
and
project.
I
have
a
timer
set
here
in
case
I
go
over
10
minutes.
I
mean
it
seems
like
a
long
time,
but
it's
actually
short
when
you
have
so
much
to
cover.
I
am
I've,
read
the
report.
J
I
am
the
author
of
the
report
and
that
is
why
the
homeowners
have
asked
me
to
speak
on
its
behalf
and
I'm
greatly
honored
for
all
of
them
and
for
those
who
are
here
tonight
and
also
I've
read
ken's
report,
the
city
staff
report
which,
as
usual,
is
done
very
thoroughly
and
very
thoughtfully,
and
I
want
to
say
to
begin
with
that.
I
think
that
the
city
of
palm
springs
has
a
gratitude
to
ken
lyon,
who
is
a
tremendous
asset
to
our
city
and
our
historic
preservation.
J
Now
I
say
that
just
as
I'm
about
to
disagree
with
him,
but
which
is
rare,
I
hate
to
disagree
with
ken
because
he's
really
great,
but
I
have
to
say
ken.
I
think
the
application
here
is
applied
a
little
too
stringently
on
this,
and-
and
let
me
just
start
by
hitting
a
few
things.
First,
I
think-
on
integrity.
J
I
I
we
brought
up
some
things:
I'm
not
going
to
go
too
much
in
integrity,
because
I
personally
believe-
and
I
think
that
there's
no
disagreement
on
this-
that
any
integrity
issues
that
this
60
year
old
building
has
and
the
changes
are
made
to
it
are
reversible,
and
I
believe
that
the
city
kind
of
looks
kindly
at
or
more
kindly
toward
reversible
changes,
rather
than
it
being
a
fatal
flaw,
and
things
like
the
flashing
is
going
out
because
it's
60
years
old,
it's
not
a
surprise
to
me
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
fixed.
J
But
yet
it's
not
something
that
should
really
destroy
the
potential
of
the
historical
value
of
this
place,
as
well
as
things
like
air
conditioning
ducks
and
things
like
that.
You'd
mention
some
things
about
some
fiberglass
that's
being
put
on
all
of
that's
reversible,
and
so
that's
great
because
I
think
the
worst
part
is
the
windows,
the
windows
there
there
was
no.
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
have
any
order
in
putting
the
windows
together,
but
these
again
are
reversible.
J
What
we
have
is
a
homeowners
association
who
is
very
much
involved
in
the
historic
preservation.
They
love
this
complex
so
much
and
they
want
to
do
the
right
thing
by
it
and
they
just
need
guidance,
and
I
think
that
you
brought
it
very
wisely.
Some
issues
with
the
current
guidance
that
the
homeowners
association
has,
that
should
be
changed
or
should
be
adjusted
according
to
what
we
want
to
do,
and
I
think
that's
all
doable.
So
I
don't
believe
that
the
integrity
issues
are
a
problem.
I
think
on
two
specific
ones
that
you
mentioned.
J
One
of
them
is
the
setting,
and
I
don't
think
that
the
complex
should
be
dinged
for
the
fact
that,
since
the
1960s
that
that
area
has
built
up
after
all,
that
was
always
the
intention
of
that
area
was
that
it
was
not
meant
to
be
by
itself.
I
still
think
it
retains
it
because
there's
enough
open
space
between
the
streets
and
the
other
elements,
I
don't
think
it
has
been
dinged
on
setting
and
on
that
and
I
had
one
other
thing-
I
thought
the
feeling.
J
I
think
that
the
feeling
does
retain
with
that.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
the
garden
city
thing.
I
know
we
both
we,
you-
and
I
disagree
with
that
on
that,
and
I
strongly
disagree
with
it,
because
I
believe
that
this
complex
is
a
perfect
example
of
a
garden
city.
It's
a
tighter
example
sure,
but
if
you
look
at
the
staff
report
on
page
10,
look
at
that
picture
of
the
that
you
used
for
the
tight
sidewalky
space.
J
I
actually
personally
do
not
believe
that
that's
particularly
tight.
I
think
that
the
architect
did
a
very
masterful
job
of
trying
to
put
together
as
many
units
as
he
could,
while
still
keeping
as
much
open
space
as
possible
on
my
report.
J
If
you
look
on
page
24,
I
believe
page
10
and
page
24
you'll
see
what
appeared
to
be
a
set
of
courts
that
the
architect
put
in
james,
shuler
and
you'll,
see
if
you
look
at
an
aerial,
you'll
notice,
different
courts
that
are
around
small,
some
of
them
of
different
sizes,
but
you
will
find
some
that
are
quite
spacious.
All
of
this
was
intended
to
follow
the
garden
court,
the
garden
city
model,
and
it
does.
It
provides
an
open
space
for
the
units
that
open
up
to
it.
J
Also
in
the
parking
now
the
parking
there
was
a
great
deal
of
attention
paid
to
that.
I
beg
to
differ
with
it
and
if
you
look
at
the
report
that
you
referenced
from
arg
on
that
that
it
is
one
of
the
defining
features
of
the
garden
city
movement
that
what
it
is
is
that
parking
is
intended.
The
intention
of
clarence
stein
and
the
others
was
to
separate
parking
from
pedestrian
traffic,
and
that
is
what
was
achieved
here
at
villaroma.
Very
well,
in
fact,
clarence
stein.
J
If
you
look
at
the
basically
the
grand
daddy
of
the
mall
radburn
new
jersey,
it
follows
almost
exactly
the
same
concept
that
is
done
at
villaroma,
which
is
the
garden
I
mean
the
parking
courts
that
are
coming
behind
the
units.
This
is
very
similar.
If
you
look
at
another
famous
la
example:
baldwin
hills,
village,
it's
the
same
thing
they
have
guard,
they
have
parking
courts
that
are
behind
the
units.
That's
exactly
what's
been
done
here
again.
This
is
because
they
are
trying
to
separate
traffic
from
the
people.
J
I
frankly
think
they
did
quite
well,
and
I
think
that
the
complex
the
architect
should
be
given
credit
for
doing
that
and
keeping
the
parking
close
but
away
from
pedestrian
levels.
Also,
it's
amazing
that
villaroma
60
years
on
is
probably
one
of
the
only
units,
if
at
all,
that
hasn't
had
their
carports
converted
to
garages,
and
that
in
itself
is
an
amazing
thing.
Last
thing
is
the
enclosed
spaces.
We
do
reference
the
main
space
outside
the
temple
of
venus.
J
But
again,
as
I
point
out,
if
you
look
at
it,
you'll
see
that
there's
at
least
six
other
courts
around
and
there
is
play
space.
There
is
spaces
for
people
to
play.
I've
been
to
villaroma
a
number
of
times,
and
every
time
I've
been
out
on
that
temple
of
venus,
it
is
used
by
the
residents
the
residents
play
there.
J
The
residents
sit
and
read
the
residents
come
out
and
walk
their
dogs,
but
not
only
that,
but
so
do
visitors
and
other
people
in
other
neighborhoods,
because
what
they
did
was
they
gave
the
city
of
palm
springs
a
free
park
at
the
expense
of
perhaps
20
other
units,
which
I
think
is
quite
fascinating.
I
mean
I
don't
know
of
any
other
complex
that
does
that
and
I've
seen
wedding
parties
come
there
and
people
just
come
up.
J
J
You
you
talk
about
the
plainness
of
the
buildings
and
the
repetition
of
it,
and
that
is
exactly
what
a
garden
city
apartment
is
because
if
you
look
at
places
like
alisa
village
and
park,
la
brea
and
places
like
that,
these
are
very
simply
designed
buildings
and
they
were
intended
to
be
so.
In
fact,
in
some
cases,
if
you
look
at
baldwin
hills,
village
and
stuff,
it
kind
of
almost
looks
like
barracks
but
they're
set
around
in
this
garden
setting,
which
is
lovely.
J
They
were
not
built
for
billionaires
and
neither
was
villaroma
I'm
running
out
of
time,
because
I
talk
too
much
so
forgive
me.
But
what
I
want
to
say,
though,
is
what
we're
missing,
I
think,
is
the
force
for
the
trees,
which
is
the
fact
that
villaroma
is
mid-century
modern.
It
fits
all
of
the
character,
many
of
the
characteristics
of
it,
but
I
think
it
is
a
type
of
mid-century
modern.
It
is
a
classic
mix
which
is
unusual
and,
and
that
can
be
disturbing,
but
yet
it
actually
should
be
celebrated.
J
I
mean
if
we
look
at
bill
roman,
say
well,
why
designate
villaroma
it's
one
of
you
know
why
not
50
other
roman
style,
apartments
or
condos,
because
there
aren't
any
villa
roma
is
unique
in
and
of
itself.
I
know
that
you
say
that
it's
unique,
but
not
significant.
I
disagree.
I
think
it's
both
it
fits.
It
is
part
of
what
makes
palm
springs
mid-century
architecture,
so
wonderful,
is
that
it's
not
a
one
size
fits
all
that
it
is
different.
J
Like
you
look
at
how
we
celebrate
the
polynesian
and
the
hawaiian,
the
tahitian
type
of
mid-century
modern,
why
not?
The
roman?
You
know
there's
only
one
other
roman
condominium
complex
in
palm
springs,
that's
the
pompei
de
las
palmas,
and
that
also
came
before
the
historic
site
preservation
board
for
consideration
as
a
landmark
and
what
did
they
decide?
They
made
it
historic
district
number
four
and
I
don't
see
any
difference
in
the
basic
concept
of
these
two
properties.
That
would
be
different
than
why
one
should
be
designated,
and
one
should
not.
J
I
mean
pompeii
is
basic
mid-century
modern,
with
roman
elements,
columns
and
statues
arbitrarily
placed
all
over
the
place.
To
give
you
a
feeling
and
that's
what
villaroma
does
it
gives
you
a
feeling
and
that's
what
it
was
meant
to
do?
It
should
not
be
judged
as
great
architecture.
It
should
be
judged
as
something
that
is
intended
as
like
roadside
architecture.
Why
do
they
build
all
of
the
hotels
in
pumps?
J
I
mean
in
las
vegas
that
are
like
paris
or
mandalay
bay
or
the
aladdin,
and
things
like
that
and
caesar's
palace
is
to
give
people
a
feeling
that
they
love
coming
to
and
that's
what
villaroma
does
and
when
you
stand
out
there
in
1964,
and
you
see
those
roman
colons
and
that
silly
venus
statue
it
transports
you
like
on
a
magic
carpet
just
another
place
and
in
2022.
J
If
you
do
the
same
thing,
it's
going
to
do
exactly
what
the
designers
and
the
architect
intended
in
1964
it's
doing
in
2022,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
other
buildings
have
that
kind
of
visceral
reaction
for
people
who
live
there
and
the
people
who
visit
there
and
I
see
I'm
out
of
time.
I
have
20
more
minutes
to
talk,
but
thank
you
ken.
Thank
you
all
members
of
the
board.
That's
my
rant.
A
Hey
is
there
anyone
else
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
speak
in
public
comment.
B
I
think
madam
chair
philip,
is
there
raising
his
hand?
I
think
he's
kind
of
the
lead
participant
from
the
community
and
I
think,
he's
the
person
who
would
be
probably
appropriately
next
to
speak.
A
Mr
parks,
you
you
have
three
minutes
so
please
we
welcome
you.
Thank.
K
You
I
won't
take
all
three
minutes.
I
just
want
to
say
that
my
name
is
philip
parks
and
I'm
a
14-year
resident
of
villaroma
and
I've
been
acting
as
the
board
liaison
shepherding
this
process
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
and
briefly,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation,
in
particular
bart
from
marshall,
for
their
patient
guidance
throughout
this
process.
K
I
want
to
extend
our
communities
gratitude
for
any
and
all
letters
of
support
for
our
designation,
but
most
particularly
eric
rosenow
and
alan
hess,
who
sent
letters
in
this
week.
It's
much
appreciated
and,
finally,
to
our
brilliant
and
masterful
writer
of
the
nomination
document,
mr
stephen
vaught
for
his
diligent
mining
and
attention
to
detail
in
the
history
of
the
roma.
Thank
you
so
much.
We
are
in
your
debt,
you're.
L
B
M
Good
evening,
I'm
john
clingenmeier
and
I'm
here
with
my
husband
del
suther-
and
I
am
the
newly
elected
association
president
dell
and
I
purchased
our
villa
roma
home
15
years
ago,
and
we
generally
have
been
using
it
as
a
weekend,
getaway
from
los
angeles,
and
then
we
finally
realized
our
to
retire
here
last
year.
So
now
we
are
here
full-time
residents.
M
Of
the
roma
garden
homes
and
with
the
roman
and
italian
influences,
specifically
the
columns,
the
statues,
flat,
roofs,
the
accordion,
clubhouse,
roofline
and
large
community
pool,
but
beside
all
the
tangible
historical
characteristics
of
roma.
I
hope
you
consider
the
intangible
aspects
too.
We
are
truly
a
neighborly
community
from
a
bygone
era
holding
several
well-attended
potluck
parties
in
the
clubhouse
and
rotunda
area
every
year,
and
typically
around
50
or
more
attendees,
and
a
lot
of
good
food.
M
The
large
community
pool
is
the
focal
point
of
the
complex,
not
to
mention
one
of
the
best
views
in
south
palm
springs.
Even
the
original
sales
brochure
displayed
people
gathering
at
the
pool
during
the
season.
We
are
typically
no
less
than
20
homeowners
in
the
pool
nearly
every
afternoon
and
not
spread
out,
like
so
many
other
community
pools.
M
B
B
B
Well,
it
looks
like
we
don't
have
that
person.
Let's
move
on
dr
sharon
siegel.
Would
you
please
provide
your
public
testimony.
O
Yes,
I
want
to
thank
you
steven
bott.
It
was
really
a
pleasure
to
hear
your
defense
of
our
wonderful
community
and
with
all
respect
for
ken
lyon
and
the
committee
I
bought
here,
because
it
was
so
very
historic
in
feeling,
so
a
feeling
is
different
than
a
visual
and
it
was
very
thorough
and
thoughtful.
O
O
I
think
we
contribute
to
the
city's
history
just
by
our
existence
here,
and
ours
is
a
very
mixed
community,
a
very
welcoming
community.
I've
never
heard
of
any
neighbors
having
issues
with
one
another.
I
think
historically,
people
used
to
be
neighborly
and
we
have
that
again
here.
I
also
disagree
with
the
idea
that
it's
undistinguished
in
terms
of
architecture-
I
haven't
seen
any
other
complexes,
apartments
or
condos
or
neighborhoods,
which
have
arches
and
not
only
the
statuary
but
the
arches
and
the
difference
in
each
building.
O
I
don't
agree
that
there
is
not
a
lot
there
that
there
is
a
lack
of
public
space.
The
great
big
corner
that
was
referred
to
earlier
as
a
park
gives
to
the
community
and
is
used
by
the
community.
O
The
community
clubhouse
is
also
a
historic
landmark
which
is
very
important
to
us,
and
I
don't
think
it's
against
history
that
people
gather
you
know
and
in
our
community
the
community
gathers
not
just
our
weddings
and
our
birthdays,
and
things
like
that.
I
wanted
to
say
that
our
statues
are
absolutely
not
kitsch.
They're,
eight
to
ten
feet.
Tall,
they're
whitewashed,
tall
and
elegant
aphrodite
venus
is
very
mid-century.
O
Modern.
I
bought
here
in
2008
when
it
was
in
bloom
and
then
moved
down
to
another
condo
bought
another
condo
in
the
same
complex
on
the
remaining
grassy
area,
and
so
there
is,
there
is
a
garden
feeling
and
we
can
have
it.
If
we
want
it,
I
I
want
to
again
defend
the
idea
of
integrity.
O
P
Hopefully
we're
like
two
for
two
right,
so
we
get
twice
the
time,
so
my
name
is
dr
jasmine
benny
mean
I'm
an
architectural
historian
and
theorist
and
I've
been
writing
books
on
20th
century
architecture
for
about
20
years
and
teaching
it.
B
P
Okay
and
my
husband
ash
is,
is
an
architect
practicing,
I'm
no
longer
practicing.
I
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
problems
with
historic
preservation.
Issues
like
this
is
is
this
issue
of
fidelity
and
as
a
historian
I
can
say
that
to
try
to
fit
this
project
in
a
box
is
always
going
to
be
tricky
so,
for
example,
the
fact
that
this
is
even
considered.
Oh,
we
should
also
back
up
and
say
that
we're
new
to
this
community
so.
P
Start
there
we're
new
to
this,
so
we
didn't
have
a
hand
in
the
report.
We
we
would
love
to
contribute,
but
we
we
weren't
around
so
to
the
extent
that
we
can
help
out
and
make
a
convincing
case.
We
we'd
love
to
to
try
to
give
this
a
typological
understanding
as
a
garden
home
is
a
non-starter.
It's
not
a
garden
home
community.
If
you
want
to
try
to
define
it
in
historical
terms.
So
if
that's
going
to
take
us
down
a
road,
that's
not
fruitful,
then
fine.
P
P
You
know
that's
ecological
awareness
for
you,
so
we
could
go
back
to
what
it
was
before
and
then
we
wouldn't
be
doing
a
service
to
the
community.
So
that's
the
second
point.
The
third
point
I
would
say
is
that
the
the
building
materials
and
construction,
I
would
challenge
anyone
to
go
to
an
albert
fry
or
lochner
or
a
cody
and
start
scratching
at
that
stucco
in
the
corner
and
see
what
happens.
These
were
not
meant
to
be
high
art.
P
P
I
think,
then
you
would
discount
a
huge
chunk
of
mid-century
modern
architecture,
that's
beloved
in
palm
springs,
and
finally,
I
would
say
that
the
provenance
from
our
understanding,
the
reason
that
this
project
came
to
be
is
because
the
person
who
wanted
it
built
was
discriminated
against
in
other
clubs
in
palm
springs,
so
he
wanted
a
community
where
he
would
be
welcome,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
really
relevant,
considering
the
openness
of
palm
springs
as
a
city
that
that
welcomes
people
from
all
over
the
world,
but
also
people
who
have
been
otherwise
marginalized.
P
I
I
encourage
we
compare
this
to
cody
court
and
rancho
mirage
that
has
historic
designation.
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
look
at
the
site
plan
of
cody
court
and
try
to
convince
me
that's
any
more
gardenness
garden,
like
garden
dwelling
garden
apartment
like
than
then
villa
roma.
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
look
at
cody
court
and
find
some
eaves
those
big
eaves
aren't
everywhere.
So
you
know
again
some
of
the
characteristics
that
we
associated
with
mid-century
modern
need
to
be
kind
of
broadened,
and
I
think
cody
court
is
actually
a
relevant
example.
B
R
Certainly,
yes,
sir,
just
a
moment,
I'm
wondering
if
I
can
put
my
camera
on
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
think
to
okay
there.
It
goes
all
right.
Thank
you
so,
good
evening
board,
I
do
not
live
in
the
villaroma.
R
R
There
is
nothing
else
like
it
in
the
city
as
a
as
a
resident
in
the
neighborhood,
I
see
how
often
the
tour
bus
comes
by,
and
I
see
how
often
just
people
will
stop
me
on
the
street
and
they
don't
ask
me
about
canyon
view
estates.
They
ask
me
about
the
villaroma.
It
is
important,
it
is
unique.
In
my
humble
opinion,
it
is
more
than
deserving
of
the
class
1
historic
district
status
and
I
hope
the
board
will
vote
tonight
to
send
it
to
the
council
for
that
designation.
B
Thank
you
gary
mark
giroux
you're.
Next
on
my
list,
would
you
like
to
speak.
S
Yes,
thank
you,
so
I
have
been
a
part-time
resident
of
villaroma
for
10
years
and
an
owner
for
the
past
eight
and
I
specifically
bought
in
villaroma
because
of
its
mid-century
charms.
I
think
the
word
kitschy
was
used,
so
be
it
it's
charming.
It's
wonderful,
it's
memorable
and
it
creates
the
palm
springs.
Vibe
that
everyone
is
looking
for,
in
my
opinion,
isn't
a
big
part
of
historic
preservation
about
thinking
about
the
future
so
that
it
doesn't
deteriorate
more.
I
mean
this
is
what
we're
looking
for.
S
I
cringe
when
I
saw
one
of
my
neighbors
put
vinyl
windows
in
not
too
long
ago.
This
will
prevent
further
deterioration
of
something
that's
pretty
magical
in
bill
aroma
and
I
think
it's
a
big
mistake
to
strict
to
stick
strictly
to
the
guidelines
of
what
creates
historic
preservation
per
the
list
you
ran
through
mr
lyon.
S
Future
preservation
is
what
we're
looking
for,
and
I
think
this
is
a
huge
asset.
God
forbid,
we
get
another
cody
place
in
palm
springs.
I
refer
to
those
construction
that
can
type
of
construction
as
vertical
trailer
parks.
It
is
horrible
and
it's
everywhere
in
palm
springs
when
that's
what's
coming
on
the
market
these
days,
how
can
you
look
at
something
like
villaroma
and
say
that
it's
unworthy?
S
B
Thank
you
very
much
mark
next
in
my
screen,
I
have
ron
marshall
ron.
Would
you
unmute
and
go
ahead
with
your
public
comment.
T
My
wife,
barbara
and
I
have
written
nine
historic
nominations
for
the
city
of
palm
springs,
including
I'm
proud
to
say
two
historic
district
nominations.
I've
read
steve
buff's
nomination,
it's
quite
good.
I
wish
my
name
are
on
it.
I
I
know
that
staff
believes
that
its
analysis
is
objective,
but
in
reading
that
analysis
I
get
the
step.
The
sense
that
staff
just
doesn't
like
the
architecture
and
doesn't
think
it's
important.
T
T
T
T
T
There,
you
might
remember
the
striking
outrigger
beams
with
their
tiki
apexes,
had
been
unceremoniously
locked
off,
and
all
of
this
was
done
in
the
in
supposedly
an
attempt
to
simplify
maintenance,
but
when
they
became
an
historic
district
in
2010,
the
pride
generated
created
significant
reinvestment
in
the
property.
I
made
public
comment
in
support
of
that
12
years
ago
and
no
less
enthusiastically
support
this
one.
In
2015,
my
wife,
barbara
and
I
had
an
opportunity
to
stay
at
villaroma
for
three
full
months.
T
T
T
B
U
Yeah
hi
I'm
tom
glaser.
This
is
my
husband
greg
leader
and
we
bought
about
nine
years
ago,
and
we
happened
to
park
right
by
the
rotunda,
which
of
course
made
an
incredible
impression
made
our
way
through
this
amazing
complex,
with
incredible
desert,
landscaping
and
made
friends
immediately
this
we
were
just
there
for
the
open
house.
We
met
carol
and
oscar
and
reuben
who
we're
still
friends
with
today,
and
then
we
went
into
this
amazing
unit
that
we
bought
literally,
I
mean
like
on
the
spot
like
in
the
same
day.
It's
an
amazing,
incredible
space.
U
I
think
it's
absolutely
deserving
of
historic,
designation
and
in
part,
because
of
the
architecture,
because
it's
because
of
the
way
it's
designed
to
encourage
that
kind
of
interaction
and
the
kind
of
community.
B
Much
next
on
my
screen,
I
have
gregory
mcgann
gregory.
Would
you
like
to
speak.
W
W
Certainly,
the
changes
that
have
been
made
have
been
respective
to
the
environment,
the
desert,
landscaping
versus
the
grass.
That
was
there
when
we
first
purchased,
but
it's
been
for
the
good
of
what
we
believe
the
community
and
also
keeping
with
the
times,
but
yet
preserving
a
sense
of
history
of
when
the
facility
was
built.
I
I
B
Bill
van
hammett
van
hammert,
would
you
like
to
speak
next?
Please.
X
Yes,
I
just
will
make
this
simple.
I
just
want
to
iterate
you've
already
heard
city
council
and
council
members
that,
regarding
the
significance,
I
think
really
of
the
community
that
we
have
here
with
the
residents.
I'm
a
full-time
and
my
partner
is
full-time
here
that
we've
lived
here
since
2017
and
just
the
feeling
of
when
you're
walking
around
with
their
social
activities.
X
X
It
brings
about
why
that
feeling
was
built
here
and
we're
trying
to
maintain
that
yes,
we've
had
to
because
of
ecological,
maybe
go
to
desert
landscapes
or
because
of
the
environment,
change
our
windows
or
our
you
know
framing,
but
that
doesn't
take
away
from
the
nuance
of
the
area
and
the
feeling
that
is
there
and
also
the
commitment
that
we
have
to
keeping
this
for
palm
springs
and
for
the
future.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
bill.
The
next
person
on
my
screen
I
have
is
a
is
a
telephone
number
that
is
ending
in
4634.
Would
that
individual
like
to
speak,
and
please
identify
yourself.
B
Okay,
I
it
looks
like
they
may
not
be
here
to
speak,
maybe
just
to
listen
I'll
move
on
joseph.
Would
you
like
to
speak
on
behalf
of
this
item.
L
Yes,
I
would
my
name
is
joseph
brainer,
I'm
newer
to
villaroma
and
I'm
an
architectural
designer
for
nearly
40
years.
I've
had
my
own
business
and
I
kind
of
want
to
go
back
to
the
architecture
a
little
bit
in
addition
to
what
you
were
saying
about
the
desert,
modern
look
and
the
and
the
glass
and
the
horizontal
lines
there's
also
another
very
popular
type
of
architectural
styling.
L
So,
although
it
may
not
be
one
of
the
very
big
names
in
architecture
doing
the
project,
but
the
theming
of
like
some
of
the
entryways
are
arched.
Some
are
point
arch.
Some
are
peaked,
the
the
central
pool
with
all
of
the
areas
radiating
off
of
it.
L
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
significant
and
I
think
that
it
is
something
that
was
very
much
a
part
of
the
american
experience
when
they
began
to
travel
and
they
brought
those
likes
back
to
them
and
that's
where
the
architecture
took
off
it's
you
know
many
single-family
homes
had
this
design,
multi-family
things
like
caesar's
palace
and
even
the
the
designs
in
season
pals.
Many
of
them
are
very
similar.
There's
a
lot
of
you
look
at
the
project
when
it
was
originally
built
in
66
you're,
going
to
see
a
lot
of
the
same
type
of
architecture.
L
So
I
think
that
again
everybody's
talking
about
the
feel
of
the
place,
but
I
really
really
believe
that
the
architecture
is
so
unique
and
so
much
a
part
of
the
fabric
of
the
american
life
and
american
living,
and
I
agree
with
jasmine
as
she
spoke
before
you.
It's
not
just
cut
and
dry
effects
of
everything.
There's
a
very
beautiful
horizontal
line,
like
my
unit,
is
right
at
the
end
of
paulo
fierro
and
avenida
granada.
When
you
drive
up
palo
fierro,
and
you
see
my
corner
unit,
it's
beautiful
horizontal
lines.
It's
got
that
block
wall.
L
L
It's
extremely
unique
and
that's
why
I
bought
there.
I
was
completely
taken
by
it
and
it's
beautiful.
I
do
agree
with
the
people.
You
know
we
had
to
do
things
the
desert
landscaping.
We
had
to
do
the
type
windows,
the
title,
24
kind
of
windows
that
you
had
to
do
otherwise
you'd
just
be
a
horrible
person
and
not
you
know
considering
the
community,
but
on
the
whole
I
think
that
the
complex
is
fantastic.
L
L
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Next
on
my
screen
is
james
perez
james.
Would
you
like
to
speak
here
during
public
comment.
Y
I
have
nothing
else
to
add,
but
just
to
say
that
I
hope
that
the
the
board
really
does
consider
our
nomination,
as
I
feel
we're
well
deserving
because
of
the
recognition
that
the
aroma
gets
from
the
outside
of
our
community
because
of
his
beauty
and
like
was
mentioned
earlier
because
of
the
hordes
of
buses
and
and
people
that
stopped
by
to
take
pictures.
Y
Because
are
you
we've
been
there
for
14
years
and
our
unit
window
faces
the
street
on
on
sierra
madre,
where
the
fountain
is
at,
and
I
can
stand
there
any
day
of
the
week
and
people
will
stop
and
park
and
take
pictures,
especially
during
modernism
week.
It
is
just
crazy
how
many
people,
I'm
not
talking
about
just
tour
buses,
I'm
talking
about
actual
cars
and
bicycles,
rolling
up
to
take
pictures.
So
again,
I
asked
the
board
to
seriously
consider
vrama
for
historical
designation,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Z
Hi
good
evening,
everyone
thank
you.
So
I've
been
a
loving
resident
of
villaroma
since
2019,
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
ken
for
all
your
work,
and
I
want
to
thank
stephen
for
all
of
his
wonderful
words.
I
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
things
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
ordinary
or
standard
about
villaroma.
Z
I
don't
think
anyone
drives
by
or
walks
by
and
thinks
that
we're
something
you
could
see
anywhere
else
and
our
architecture
is
historic
and
it's
a
reflection
of
its
time
and
we're
very
proud
of
that
here,
and
I
would
say,
it's
become
a
rallying
point
for
our
community
and
our
sense
of
community
for
our
events
coming
together.
So
so
what
more
purpose
is
a
condo
complex
that
has
historic
features
than
bringing
its
people
together?
Z
Its
architecture
is
to
create
us
a
create
a
place
for
us
to
live,
and
I
I
wanted
to
comment
about
the
the
comment
about
these
features
that
weren't
original
a
lot
of
these
are
reversible
and
a
lot
of
us
have
talked
together
about
how
we
can
honor
the
historic
integrity
of
the
original
building.
How
can
we
bring
back
some
of
those
original
features,
and
I
know
some
of
us
have
vinyl
windows?
Well,
historic
designation
will
help
us
bring
back
those
aluminum
windows
or
whatever
is
more
historically
significant,
so
we're
interested.
Z
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
the
city
to
know
this,
the
staff
and
the
board
to
know
that
the
spirit
and
the
interest
of
our
community
is
great
here.
We
treasure
our
historic
features.
We
treasure
historic
place
to
live
here
in
palm
springs.
We
want
to
be
a
vibrant
fabric
of
this
community
and
we
want
to
work
hard
to
make
that
even
better,
and
I
think
historic
designation
will
give
us
the
tools
and
the
guidance
to
help
us
do
that
to
be
an
even
richer
resource
to
our
palm
springs
community.
B
E
Can
this
I
was
contacted
by
this
individual
who
wants
to
speak
via
phone,
so
I
can
call
them
now.
B
Okay,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
do
that
right
now,
then
david.
Thank
you.
N
B
Thank
you.
Next,
on
my
screen,
I
have
paul
engel
paul.
Would
you
like
to
unmute
and
speak
during
public
comment.
AA
Oh
sure,
hi
everyone.
I
wasn't
expecting
to
speak,
but
I'll
go
ahead.
My
name
is
pauline
gold,
my
partner
mike
earley,
who
is
also
on
this
call,
and
I
we've
been
owners
at
villaroma
for
10
years.
We
bought
a
place
10
years
ago
because
we
loved
the
the
the
unusual
mid-century
look
of
the
the
italian
architecture.
AA
And
then
we
bought
another
place
because
it
was
so
popular
with
the
snow
birds
coming
in
to
visit
and
again
we
just
love
the
fact
that
you
know
we
have
a
coffee
table
book
that
has
villaroma
featured
on
the
cover,
because
it's
all
about
mid-century,
modern
architecture
and
villa
roma
is
the
star
on
the
cover.
So
we've
just
been
extremely
happy
in
the
community
during
covert.
You
know
we
we
went
down
to
to
villarreal.
AA
We
live
in
san
francisco,
so
during
covert
we
went
down
to
villaroma,
maybe
four,
seven
or
eight
times
for
a
week
at
a
time
and
really
just
enjoyed
the
the
community
there
that
everyone's
been
talking
about,
but
also
the
serene
nature
of
the
of
that
mid-century
modern
architecture.
So
we
certainly,
you
know,
agree
with
the
idea
that
villaroma
should
be
designated
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
B
AA
AB
E
B
Mike
paul
had
mentioned
that
you
are
both
together.
Would
you
like
to
also
speak
mike
early.
AA
B
B
I
have
next
a
telephone
number
248-379-5179.
B
That
person
looks
like
they're
not
going
to
speak.
Let
me
check
my
screen
here
again.
AC
Thank
you.
No,
I
have
not
been
called
on.
My
name
is
kyle
gunderson,
I'm
one
of
the
most
recent
owners
to
villa
roma.
I
purchased
it
last
year.
I
just
want
to
say
I
was
really
drawn
to
villaroma
and
its
unique
60s
hollywood
revival.
Styling
this
unit
was
an
original
owner
and
needed
a
lot
of
investment,
and
I
tried
to
honor
not
only
the
architecture
of
the
unit,
but
the
care
and
love
of
the
prior
owner,
nicknaming
it
pearl's
place,
but
really
restoring
like
the
terrazzo
floors.
AC
The
entry
screen,
the
marble
fireplaces
and
a
lot
of
the
interior
finishes
that
I
selected
really
honor
the
hollywood
revival
styling
of
the
complex-
and
I
just
want
to
agree
and
emphasize
with
some
of
the
comments
that
I
think
approval
for
this
designation
will
help
bring
and
further
energy
and
preserve
our
distinctive
community
features
my
initial
impression
of
living
here.
It's
a
very
well
run
engaged
community.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
on
the
committee
and
everybody
who's
contributed
to
this
application.
AC
B
Thank
you
kyle.
I
believe
we've
called
on
everybody
who
I
have
seen
here
is
there
anybody
who
I
have
not
called
on?
Who
would
like
to
speak
here
during
public
comment.
AD
Hi
I
would
like
to
go
back
and
address
the
common
areas
and
the
garden
feel
of
our
homes
and
when
I
was
looking
to
purchase
a
place.
The
reason
why
I
love
villaroma
is,
I
have
three
sliding
glass
doors
and
an
extra
large
front
door
that
leads
out
to
a
common
area
on
that
area
is
one
of
the
places
of
grass
and
we
set
up
dining
tables
out
there
and
have
little
gatherings
of
our
local
neighbors.
AD
AD
A
The
action
is
now
with
the
board
members
and
we
will
be
making
comments
and
having
further
discussion
at
this
time,
and
I
would
just
like
to
begin
by
saying
how
delighted
I
was
to
hear
from
from
the
the
the
members
and
of
the
community
your
sense
of
pride,
you're
so
proud
and
so
pleased
to
live
there.
A
You've
really
expressed,
you
know
the
spirit
of
our
desert
living
and,
and
you
certainly
have
preserved,
that
leisure
lifestyle
that
that
we
all
love
so
very
much
so,
combining
you
know
the
simple
modern
architecture
with
the
classic
elements
you
know
this
is
a
bizarre
juxtaposition
has
been
has
been
expressed
and
noted.
A
You
know
the
clubhouse
is
definitely
unique.
You
know
I
focus
on
the
clubhouse,
you
know
the
folded
plate
roof
supported,
you
know
by
the
classic
greek
columns.
A
Perhaps
you
know
this
is
the
strongest
context
to
be
evaluated
as
alan
hess
expressed
in
his
letter
to
us.
So
I
I
look
at
that
in
in
new
light,
the
contributing
elements
of
of
the
venus
statues,
the
concrete
benches,
those
urns
and
planters.
A
They
do
speak
to
me
as
as
props
like
theatrical
or
or
you
know,
embellishments.
A
To
me
they
you
know
they
don't
possess
the
quality
or
the
high
artistic
values
that
I
would
like
to
see
there,
and
you
know
I
know
they're
original
or
meant
to
be
like
original.
I
just
have
a
problem
with
those
and
I
just
have
to
state
that
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do
about
it,
but
as
an
art
curator
these
these
props,
you
know,
don't
they
don't
have
high
artistic
value.
A
So
I
try
to
look
beyond
that
and
and
look
at
the
at
the
qualities
that
you
that
you
love
so
much
so
I
just
had
to
go
on
the
record.
You
know
as
a
curator.
You
know
that
that
fake
venus
doesn't
do
it
for
me,
but
now
I'd
like
to
invite
other
board
members
to
express
something.
Member
hanson.
A
G
Okay,
I
just
want
to
start
by
thanking
staff
for
their
thoughtful
review
of
this
nomination.
I
know
it's
not
done,
as
as
ken
explained
earlier,
easily
to
to
deny
or
recommend
denying
a
nomination.
Z
G
I
also
want
to
thank
stephen
for
his
excellent
report
and
also
all
of
you
for
being
here
tonight
and
expressing
your
enthusiasm
for
the
district.
So
as
a
board
member.
When
we
come
to
these
meetings,
you
know
we're
looking
at
it
or
I
look
at
it.
G
Excuse
me,
and
also
I
I've
served
on
boards
and
commissions,
I'm
now
a
member
of
the
state,
historical
resources,
commission,
and
we,
you
know,
nominate
properties
for
listing
in
the
national
register
and
also
I've
worked
so
on
both
sides
of
the
fence.
If
you
will
both
as
a
commissioner
as
a
staff
person
as
a
consultant
and
someone
preparing
these
nominations
and
also
doing
many
nominations.
G
So,
in
addition
to
that,
we
certainly
look
toward
the
professional
historic
resources
assessment
done
for
this
property
or
for
for
any
property
and
and
the
reports
need
to
make
a
really
compelling
case
for
designation,
and
I
believe
that
this
report
does
make
a
compelling
case,
based
on
my
professional
experience,
based
on
reading
the
report
and
also
based
on
the
testimony
of
of
alan
hess,
he's
a
colleague
of
mine.
G
So
I'm
I'm
willing
to.
I
don't
know
if
we're
setting
a
precedent,
as
mr
marshall
said
earlier,
but
I
am
willing
to
recommend
supporting
this
nomination.
I
do
just
have
a
couple
additional
comments
on
it.
G
With
regard
to
the
historic
context,
I
think
that
the
report
states
very
well
both
in
the
executive
summary
and
in
the
section
on
evaluation,
particularly
under
criterion,
three,
a
very
compelling
case
for
a
context
for
really
development
history
and
this
concept
of
multi-family
living
in
palm
springs
as
as
a
development
as
a
a
trend
in
development
in
the
1960s
employing
aspects
of
mid-century,
modern
architecture.
So
I
think
that
should
not
be
ignored.
We
haven't
really
talked
about
that
that
much
today,
but
I
think
the
concept
of
a
condominium,
which
was
perhaps
new.
O
G
I
think
the
report
asserts
at
that
particular
point
in
time,
and
it
took
you
know
off
all
over
the
country
and
it's
really
a
a
property
type.
That's
not
very
well
studied,
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
you
know.
Looking
at
the
concept
of
garden
apartments,
I
think
looking
at
the
report
from
the
city
of
los
angeles
is
a
good
start
for
that,
but
los
angeles
is
obviously
a
very
different
city
from
palm
springs
and
the
examples
and
the
character
defining
features
there.
G
Don't
necessarily
relate
to
what
you
might
call
a
garden
apartment
or
even
give
it
a
different
name
in
palm
springs.
I
don't
know
if
we
even
know
need
to
go
back
to
clarence
stein
and
his
concepts
on
it.
I
think
there
is,
as
alan
has
suggested,
some
research
that
really
needs
to
be
done
and
some
writing
moving
forward
on
these
types
of
apartments
or
condominium
complexes
in
palm
springs
as
a
as
a
property
type.
That
really
is
unique
to
palm
springs.
G
So
I
don't
know
if
that
means
anything
for
modifying
the
nomination.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
more
analysis.
Maybe
that's
something
that
comes
in
the
future
or
as
a
result
of
this
nomination,
you
know
historic
contexts
are
guidelines
and
the
city
of
palm
springs
has
a
city-wide
historic
context,
but
it
it
it's.
It's
limited
in
some
aspects,
and
I
think
this
the
this
particular
property
type
can
be
much
better
studied.
I
think
the
eric
rosenow
book
and
in
in
the
report
discusses
a
number
of
a
part,
a
condominium
complexes
built
during
that
time.
G
I
actually
live
in
one
of
them,
so
just
a
consideration,
maybe
for
the
future.
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
you
know,
rather
than
maybe
looking
at
this
and
trying
to
fit
it
into
a
garden
apartment,
complex
defined
by
a
los
angeles
city,
county
context.
Statement
for
that
property
type
is
maybe
doesn't
necessarily
work
for
palm
springs.
G
G
So
one
other
thing
I
didn't
want
to
make
is:
is
you
know
again
when
you're
looking
at
a
historic
district,
it's
about
a
lot
more
than
architecture?
It's
about
a
development
pattern,
it's
about
the
the
the
sighting
of
the
buildings
and
the
space
in
between
them
and
again,
that's
just
the
concept
of
a
condominium,
it's
not
about
picking
apart
every
architectural
aspect
of
the
building
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
G
H
There
we
go.
Thank
you.
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
were
going
to
call
me
next,
so
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
concur
with
come
with
me
so
far
by
everybody,
especially
my
fellow
board,
members,
treyarch
and
linda
hampton.
H
20
speakers
representing
19
units
in
this
community
at
least,
and
then
we
had
an
additional
four
speakers
for
22
speakers
all
together.
So
that's
more
than
I've
ever
seen,
probably
twice
as
many
as
I've
ever
seen
for
any
district
hearing,
and
I
was
lucky
enough
to
rent
a
unit
for
a
few
months
in
kenya.
Kenyan
bureau
of
state
down
the
road
and
like
gary
jones,
was
able
to
walk
by
villaroma
every
day
with
my
dog
and
see
all
the
people
just
climbing
on
their
breaks
like
oh
wow.
What
is
this?
H
What
if
I,
what
am
I
about
so?
Yes,
there
may
be
this
small
level
of
kitsch,
but
I
think
it
rises
above
the
above
and
beyond
the
kids
and
it
epitomizes
old
palm
springs
and
it
evokes
that
feeling
of
nostalgia
and
love
oceanvita.
H
After
all,
having
grown
up
here,
I
remember
seeing
at
least
two
to
three
dozen
examples
of
this
roman
italian-aid
inspired
architecture
all
throughout
the
coachella
valley,
but
more
specifically,
here
in
palm
springs.
It
was
done
in
some
track
homes.
It
was
done
in
custom
homes
and
little
tuscany
states,
which
was
inspired
by
the
developer
of
that
area,
taking
a
trip
to
italy
and
likening
the
terrain
of
little
destiny
to
what
he
saw
there.
H
So
you
know
it
has
a
long
history
here
and
when
the
1960
olympics
in
rome,
with
halibut
for
the
first
time
that
began
to
have
a
huge
influence
on
american
culture,
most
specifically
to
southern
california-
and
there
are
so
many
newspaper
articles
in
the
desert
sun
over
the
period
of
the
late
50s,
all
through
the
60s
all
through
the
70s.
H
So
you
know
I
respect
staff's
opinions
and
I
read
the
report
very
closely
and
the
staff
report
very
closely
and
I
do
think
maybe
the
staff
report
was
maybe
a
little
bit
harsh
and
I
understand
all
of
the
concerns
and
I
certainly
saw
some
of
them
there
myself,
but
having
been
there
many
many
times
over
the
years
over
a
period
of
four
decades.
H
H
So
with
all
that
said,
and
without
rambling
much
further,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I'm
hugely
in
support
of
this
nomination
and
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
avoid
a
continuous.
H
I
think
it's
important
that
tonight
we
have
to
start
with
staff
somehow
to
be
able
to
justify
proceeding
with
a
recommendation
for
classical
nomination.
Thank
you
so
much.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
catherine.
Well,
I
truly
appreciate
the
experience
and
knowledge
that
all
the
other
board
members
bring
to
the
table
here.
I
can't
speak
with
the
eloquence
and
experience
of
either
member
hanson
or
member
nelson,
but
I
have
to
agree
with
them.
C
I
have
some
experience
with
very
utilitarian
buildings
warehouse
buildings
in
the
city
of
oakland.
When
I
worked
there
and
the
fact
that
these
are
called
relatively
utilitarian
in
their
design
doesn't
detract
me
it
is
a
significantly
unique
community
and
I
agree
with
vice
chair
nelson,
that
it
rises
above
kitsch,
and
so
I
too
would
support
the
nomination
for
historic
district
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
further
comments
or
further
discussion
with
the
board
members?
Any
other
comments,
discussions
any.
G
Unmute
yeah,
I
would
move
to
support
the
nomination
as
presented
with,
I
think,
I'm
sorry.
The
staff
recommended
staff
recommendation
that
the
design
guidelines
be
further
clarified
and
and
completed.
G
To
addre
that
yeah,
I
don't
know
how
that
would
work
ken
if
it
would
be
appropriate
to
ask
you,
but
it
seems
like
there
may
be
some
concerns
with
the
existing
design
guidelines
that
might
need
to
be
further
discussed
and
finalized
as
part
of
the
nomination
for
our
acceptance
of
the
nomination.
A
We
we
have
a
motion
comment
vice
chair
nelson.
H
Make
sure
that
we
certify
everything
that
member
hanson
addressed
in
her
motion
and
also
satisfy
whatever
step
requires
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
empire.
This
motion
tonight.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
member
hanson
second
by
vice
chair
nelson.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
that
motion?
Mr
lyon,.
B
As
you
know,
in
my
staff
report,
I
was
not
able
to
make
them
affirmatively,
but
in
listening
to
the
public
testimony
tonight,
I
think
that
member
hansen
has
has
brought
together
some
of
the
foundation
for
you
to
begin
to
make
criteria,
findings,
and
it's
around
the
notion
that
there
is
a
excuse
me.
My
phone
was
ringing.
It's
around
the
notion
that
there
may
be
a
different
context
within
which
you
are
considering
this
nomination,
and
that
is
around
the
context
of
social
history.
B
B
You
began
to
sort
of
pull
these
threads
around
the
notion
of
it's
a
condominium.
It's
kind
of
a
new
form
of
ownership,
it's
kind
of
a
new
form,
there's
a
there's,
a
communal
sort
of
character
by
the
very
nature
of
a
condominium
where
people
are,
quite
frankly,
forced
to
find
commonality
and
get
along
with
one
another
in
a
much
different
context
than
one
sees
typically
in
most
american
residential
development,
where
everybody's
got
their
own
lot
and
everybody's
got
their
own
home
and
everybody
puts
walls
around
it.
B
You've
you've
you've
begun
to
pull
the
thread
here
on
that
notion
that
maybe
the
criteria
here
is
that
there
is
a
different
kind
of
context
that
is
represented
in
this
particular
development.
I'm
still
not
persuaded
that
that
it
represents
a
guard,
a
very
good
or
exemplary
form
of
garden
apartments.
So
I
don't
think
that
I
would
guide
you
there.
I
think
the
architecture
is
undistinguished
and
you
know.
B
Maybe
there
is
something
about
the
the
plainness
of
this
architecture
that
that
again
begins
to
thread
the
needle
on
this
notion
of
affordability,
on
the
notion
of.
B
It's
a
it's
a
different
kind
of
social
framework
that
that
you
begin
to
sort
of
talk
about,
and
you
know
I'm
going
to
look
I'm
going
to
put
my
head
down
and
let
you
guys
talk
about
this
for
a
minute,
but
I
think
that
may
be
where
you
can
bring
in
what
you've
heard
tonight
around
the
notion
of
community
and
the
notion
of
the
social
context
that
this
form
of
residential
development
creates.
B
We
speak
about
it,
a
lot
in
the
u.s,
but
you
don't
really
see
it
happening
quite
to
the
extent
that
you've
witnessed
tonight
in
terms
of
the
public
testimony
that's
been
given.
So
I'm
going
to
throw
that
out
there
for
you
to
maybe
noodle
on
and
maybe
a
member
hanson.
You
can
articulate
that
a
little
bit
better
than
I
can
and
while
you're
doing
that,
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
the
seven
criteria
and
look
if
there's
anything
else
that
I
can
maybe
offer
you
as
a
way
of
putting
together
affirmative
findings.
B
I'm
not
going
to
make
this
easy
for
you,
but
I'm
not
going
to
make
it
hard
for
you
either.
I
want
to
see
you
struggle
with
this,
which
I
appreciate
that
you've
done,
and
I
want
you
to
come
up
with
objective
criteria
that
when
this
goes
forward
to
council,
they
can
understand
it.
So
go
ahead.
If
you'd
like
to
be
so
member
handsome.
G
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
what
some
of
your
thoughts
were
the
same
thoughts
I
was
having
on
this.
I
think
what
I
was
trying
to
say-
and
I
think
it
is
expressed
in
the
report,
but
maybe
not
so
clearly
as
to
results
in
findings
of
the
criterion.
I'm
looking
at
the
executive
summary
and
some
of
the
words.
G
Because
I
think
some
of
the
the
verbiage
is
is
correct
and
what
I'm
referring
to,
I
think
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
you
know
there
are
certainly
references
to
the
garden
style,
but
I
think
the
the
historic
context
to
evaluate
this
within
is
maybe
more
specific
to
palm
springs
and
not
referencing
a
larger
movement
toward
garden
living,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
the,
if
it's.
G
If
I'm
referring
to
what
you're
calling
this
sort
of
community-based
approach,
because
I
mean
I
see
that
in
a
lot
of
places,
you
see
that
in
certain
neighborhoods.
I
think
what
what
strikes
me
about
it.
If
I
can,
you
know
this
is
kind
of
difficult
to
do
on
the
spot,
because
normally
this
would
be
something
I
would
contemplate
and
think
about
and
try
and
put
into
words.
G
But
I
think
for
me,
it's
more
significant
as
a
pattern
of
residential
development
in
palm
springs
in
the
1960s
period
and
a
shift
from
single-family
residential
development
to
multi-family
residential
development
and
the
emergence
of
the
condominium
as
a
multi-family
property
type.
B
I'm
also
going
to
bring
to
your
attention
criteria
six
and
it's
interesting
in
this
particular
nomination
that
the
author
might
not
have
picked
up
on
this
and
and
driven
this
point
home
further,
because
steve
is
quite
precise.
In
his
background
research,
let
me
read
criteria.
Six.
B
In
this
case,
what
you
may
be
looking
at
and
what
maybe
you
might
make
part
of
your
criteria,
findings
is
that
it
meets
criteria
six
in
that
the
individual
components,
lack
distinction
and
that
you
do
have,
as
member
huff
mentioned,
one
entity
or
one
resource,
that
of
the
common
area
around
the
pool
and
the
common
building
of
the
pool
which,
almost
in
a
more
masterful
way,
stitches
together
the
folded
plate,
roof
of
mid
20th
century
modern
architecture
with
the
the
faux
elements
of
of
you
know,
classicism
that
may
be
the
the
contributing
resource
here.
B
The
concept
of
open
space-
maybe
the
best
piece
of
this
or
the
best
resource
within
this
proposed
district-
is
the
corner
open
space.
B
The
community
has
mentioned
that
the
communi
that
the
corner
open
space
functions
to
a
great
extent,
the
way
that
the
open
space
in
these
garden
communities,
in
los
angeles
and
elsewhere,
did
where
brought
children
together
on
playgrounds
for
common
community
gathering
or
where
adults
gathered
where
mothers
and
gathered
in
the
open
areas,
while
their
children
played
and
so
on,
you
may
be
able
to
make
an
affirmative
finding
around
criteria
6.,
I
think
again,
coming
back
the
word
that
you
use
that
I
wrote
down
is
social
history
and
I
think
that
the
the
concept
of
social
history
as
a
character
defining
feature
may
be
something
that
you
can.
B
You
can
work
with.
Those
are
the
two
thoughts
that
come
to
my
mind.
I
really
don't
think
the
architecture
is
significant.
I
don't
think
the
architect
is
significant.
I
don't
think
the
construction
is
particularly
significant
and-
and
I
want
to
keep
coming
back
to
the
notion
in
our
historic
preservation,
ordinance
of
exemplary.
B
B
These
buildings
are
not
historically
significant,
the
the
construction
isn't,
but
there
may
be
something
in
this
very
nomination
as
a
historic
district,
where
its
individual
components
may
lack
distinction,
but
there
are
factors
in
it
here
that
reflect
a
a
context
within
a
social
history
or
a
social
context
that
is
unique.
G
Let
me
just
follow
up
on
what
I
was
saying.
I
think
the
concept
of
social
history
applies
to
development
history.
It's
not
necessarily
about
the
people
in
the
playground,
it's
an
aspect
of
social
history
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
imply
that
it's
exemplary
for
its
architecture,
individual
buildings,
it's
it.
It
exemplifies
a
period
of
development
and
a
type
of
development
and
a
type
of
multi-family
living
from
a
particular
point
in
time.
In
the
city
of
palm
springs,
I
think
it
seems
like
there's,
which
you
know,
I'm
new
to
palm
springs.
G
I've
only
been
here
about
two
and
a
half
years,
a
little
less
than
that
about
a
year
and
a
half
on
the
board,
but
sometimes
I
have
to
get
away
from
the
notion
that
it's
all
about
just
architecture
and
I'm
not
saying
that
there
isn't
something
significant
about
the
architecture
of
this
particular
complex.
So
I'm
not
implying
that
at
all.
B
G
Well,
I
think
you
know,
there's
there's
a
couple
of
reasons
for
that.
I
think
one
it
is.
It
has
been
recognized
since
it
was
billed
as
something
special
and
that's
that's
not
insignificant
that
even
contemporaries
at
the
time
were
appreciating
the
complex
for
what
it
is,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
there
are
dozens
or
hundreds
of
of
buildings
from
that
same
time,
period.
B
I
mean
from
the
sense
of
view
that
there
were
lots
and
lots
of
condominium
complex
that
were
developed
here
in
town
at
that
time.
Well,.
G
I
mean
you
know:
historic
preservation
is
all
about
comparative
analysis
and
relativity,
and
that's
why
I
was
saying
that
you
know
there
probably
needs
to
be
a
deeper
examination
of
these
types
of
complexes
from
the
1960s
as
a
property
type,
that's
significant
to
palm
springs,
but
from
just
what
I've
read
from
the
report
and
from
mr
vaught,
you
know
there
were
not
hundreds
referenced
in
his
report.
You
know
there
was
a
handful.
G
I
think
from
that
period
of
the
1960s
that
really
stand
out,
and
I
do
think
it
is
also
unique
in
its
application
of
the
the
architectural
style
from
the
period
you
know
again.
My
understanding
is
that
there
are
none
employing
that
and
whether
some
people
may
call
it
kitschy.
But
you
know
it's
also
unique
in
palm.
B
Springs,
I
think
it
falls
around
and
part
of
the
reason
I'm
poking
it
at
this
to
to
have
you
and
I'm
working
with
all
of
you
here
to
articulate
this
more
specifically
is.
I
don't
want
tomorrow
for
all
52
other
condominium
complexes
that
were
developed
between
1959
and
1967
to
come
in
and
apply
for
an
historic
district
nomination
because
I
don't
think
they
qualify.
B
I
think
that
what's
you're
also
you've
identified
here
is
this
notion
of
thematic
architecture,
the
disneyland
factor
and
steve
brought
up
pompey
de
las
palmas.
He
brought
up
the
royal
hawaiian
and
there
may
be
others
here
in
the
city
that
I'm
simply
not
aware
of
where
there
was
this
kind
of
thematic
application
of
a
of
a
seam.
Almost
like
I'm
gonna
use
the
disney
metaphor.
B
I
guess,
if
you
know,
if
disney's
gonna
create
tikiville,
you
know
you
might
see
something
like
a
royal
hawaiian
and
if
they
want
to
create
something
like
romanville,
maybe
there's
something
like
this
one
or
pompeii,
the
los
palmas.
What
are
the
other
ones
around
the
city
that
any
of
you
know
of
and
jada,
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
you
a
bit
that
we
could
bring
this
forward
as
a
criteria,
a
strong
criteria,
factor
that
this
one
is
particularly
historically
significant
because
of
its
call
it
kitschy
or
not.
B
H
Okay,
well
I
see
where
you're
coming
from
mr
lyon,
and
I
don't
disagree
with
you
at
all
and
I'm
so
glad
that
you
brought
up
a
criterion
fix
about
feeling,
because
I
was
going
to
mention
that
and
I
think
he
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
there
with
that
one
for
sure
the
other
criterion
that
I'm
believing
and
here
is
setting
number
three
just
for
the
audience.
H
If
you
go
back
to
the
secretary
of
interior
standards,
the
seven
points
are
integrity
of
design,
materials,
workmanship,
location,
setting,
feeling
and
or
association.
H
So
in
their
staff
report
they
identified
that
location
was
definitely
there
clearly
but
somewhat
different.
The
remaining
fix,
but
I
think
we've
established
tonight
through
all
of
our
discussion
and
through
the
input
by
the
community,
the
three
and
six
coming
into
play,
maybe
coming
into
the
picture.
B
Is
that
what
you're
that
what
you're
trying
to
build
here.
I
H
Said
it's
so
hard
to
do
this
all
well,
you
know
when
you're
close
to
it,
you
know
without
having
some
time
and
ability
to
really
study
it
instead
of
being
on
camera-
and
you
know
rushing
to
get
through
because
it's
almost
done
beginning
well,.
H
I
think
I
think
we've
established
that
there's
definitely
you
know
well,
may
not
be
historic
because
of
you
know
the
the
architect
or
the
landowner
or
even
the
builder.
It
has
become
that
way.
Over
a
period
of
time
has.
H
It
has
become
historic
in
a
social
construct
over
a
period
of
time.
So
what.
H
Oh,
I
don't
know
whichever
one
it
makes
the
most
sense.
B
You
know
what
I'm
what
I'm
encouraging
you
here
is.
You
guys
are
very
close
and
I
think
you've
got
something
around
criteria.
Six,
I
think
you
have
something
where
you're
you
may
need
to
really
pare
down,
perhaps
those
which
are
the
true
character,
defining
features
of
this
complex.
B
It
may
not
be
that
this
whole
complex
is
significant
building
by
building
and
that's
a
provocative
direction
that
you
may
go,
but
you
may
be
looking
at
this
in
the
way
that
member
huff
chair
huff
said
that
you
know
one
of
the
character
defining
features
of
this
historic
district
of
this
proposed
historic
district.
Is
that
that
community
building
and
maybe
another
defining
characteristic?
Is
that
open
space
and
maybe
some
of
the
defining
objects?
B
Maybe
the
the
roman,
the
precast
roman
columns
and
things
the
the
thing
that
I
caution.
You,
though,
on
that
is.
B
The
the
concept
of
character,
defining
features
within
our
contributing
features
within
a
historic
district
still
has
to
come
back
to
the
notion
that
these
things
are
historically
significant.
Now,
if
the
corner
feature
functions
in
the
way
that
a
garden
apartment
complexes
open
features
function,
then
there
is
a
contributing
element
to
this
historic
district.
Same
thing
with
the
area
around
the
pool.
Maybe
the
pool
community
building
is
a
strong
example
of
a
unique
blending
of
historical,
architectural
artifacts
or
elements
and
mid-century.
B
A
To
make
it
okay,
so
what
are
the
character,
defining
features
that
distinguish
this
as
historically
significant?
Okay,
I
see
the
bizarre
combination
in
regard
to
architecture.
A
There's
combining
you
know
that
very
simple,
modern,
plain
architecture
you
know
with
those
classic
greek
columns
and
especially
in
the
clubhouse
and
and
the
view,
the
way
it's
sighted.
A
It
makes
it
it
sets
it
apart
and
makes
it
significant
and
historical,
and
then
this
leads
to
the
spirit
of
place
that
everybody's
been
talking
about
this
evening.
You
know
the
the
the
the
lifestyle,
the
leisure
lifestyle
is
that
social
and
anyway,.
A
B
A
G
Remember,
hanson
yeah,
I
think
we're
I
don't
know
I
feel
like
we're
going
off
on
a
completely
wrong
tangent
here.
I
still
think
you
know
criterion
six
in
the
city's
ordinance
is
also
a
criterion,
and
most
city
ordinances
by
the
way
are
based
on
national
register
criteria,
or
maybe
even
a
city
that
has
already
adopted
national
register
criteria.
G
G
It's
just
that
you're
looking
at
something,
and
typically
you
would
say
like
a
a
neighborhood
of
modest
craftsman
houses,
maybe
each
one
of
those
houses
is
not
individually
significant
but
as
a
collection
of
craftsman
houses,
that's
how
it's
intended
to
be
applied,
but
it's
also
applied
to
groupings
so
criterion,
six,
absolutely
because
that's
sort
of
blanket
criteria
for
a
district
and
criterion
three
for
sure,
but
I
would
not
at
all
recommend
pulling
this
apart
and
picking
out
things
that
aren't
or
not.
I
mean
clearly
to
me
it's
a
historic
district
and
should
be
designated
entirely.
G
I
think
what
we
just
need
to
do
is
really
get
down
to
you
know
what
is
this
as
a
property
type
and
what
is
the
context,
and
I
think
again,
mr
vaught's
report,
it's
all
in
there.
It's
maybe
not
exactly
expressed
in
the
way.
I
don't
even
think.
Maybe
the
garden
apartment
is
not
necessarily
that
far
off
it's
just.
This
is
a
variation
of
that
concept.
G
G
We
need
to
understand,
you
know
what
we're
looking
at
and,
if
there's
some
element
of
comparative
analysis,
to
be
able
to
say
yes,
this
is
exemplary
of
this.
Of
this.
You
know
subtype
of
garden
apartments.
You
know
from
the
60s
and
palm
springs,
but
I
just
I'm
not
comfortable
trying
to
do
this
tonight.
B
I
think
it
qualifies
under
criterion
six,
as
you
guys
have
all
discussed.
I
think
that
it
can
be
found
to
have
be
representative
of
a
particular
period
when
thematic
architecture
was
being
used
in
a
in
a
fantasy-like
way
in
leisure
communities.
Resort
communities
like
ours
that
were
you
were
going
to
a
place
that
you
were
kind
of
getting
away
from
reality,
but
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
you're
picking
it
apart.
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that,
if
you,
if
you
recommend
this
as
a
district,
you
must
identify
what
are
the
contributing
features,
but.
G
B
Then,
if
that's
how
you
feel,
then
I
would
recommend
that
you
continue
this
to
a
date
certain
of
your
next
meeting
and
determine
that
we
can
put
some
specific
requests
out,
perhaps
to
the
applicant
to
provide
you
additional
information
that
you
need
in
order
to
make
to
feel
confident
with
that.
That
recommendation.
H
Yeah,
I
don't
really
feel
that
a
continuance
is
necessary
or
that
we
need
that
much
extra
time
I
think
everything's
been
established
tonight
and
that
member
hanson
and
I
could
work
hand
in
hand
with
member
alliance
or
staff
member
lyon
before
this
all
have
to
be
made
official
and
then
sent
on
to
council.
H
I
do
agree
that
criteria
six
is
the
criterion
to
be
focusing
on
now
and
that
it
should
be
focused
on
as
a
whole,
and
I
think
that's
what
everyone
has
always
felt
all
along
the
whole
entity
of
villaroma
is
what
makes
the
special
rather
than
the
individual
components,
and
when
you
compare
it
to
other
districts
like
royal
hawaiian
or
morito
manor
or
even
desert
holly,
it
has
similar
types
of
feelings,
but
even
greater
than
all
those
they're
all
closer
together.
H
So
in
a
way
they
have
created
their
own
solar
construct
by
being
close
together,
they're
preventing
each
other
from
getting
the
sun.
There's
lots
of
minutiae
and
little
fine
points.
We
could
elaborate
on
forever
and.
M
H
And
ever
and
there's
really
no
point
in
another
continuance
or
a
continuance
for
another
month.
So
if
we
can
lock
this
down
tonight,
I
think
the
motion's
been
made.
It's
been
sucking.
This
there's
been
lots
of
great
discussion
and
you
know
23
people
who
have
chimed
in.
G
I
can
I
comment
on
that
before
we
because
criterion
six.
Like
I
said
it's
tended
to
apply
to
a
district,
it's
not
actually
a
context
in
and
of
itself.
So,
for
example,
if
you're
nominating
something
for
the
national
register,
you
would
do
that
criterion
as
well
as
one
two
three
four
five.
So
it's
a
historic
district
within
the
concept
of
what
I
would
propose
to
be
cities
criterion
three.
A
Okay,
so
we
we
have
a
motion
on
three
and
six
okay.
We
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
made
by
member
hanson
and
seconded
by
vice
chair,
nelson
and.
A
Yes
and
that's
hanson,
is
that
what
you
said?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
so
that
the
motion
is
stated
and
any
other
discussion,
please
nope.
Okay!
So
if
there's
no
other
discussion,
I
would
like
to
call
for
the
question
all
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
say
I.
X
A
Okay,
any
opposed
okay.
The
motion
passes
four
to
zero.
Thank
you
very
much.
This
was
a
very
helpful
and
healthy
and
stimulating
and
informative
wonderful
conversation
for
everybody
and
and
thanks
to
our
audience,
for
participating
what
and
and
ken
and
and
and
steve
well
this.
This
is
what
we're
all
here
for.
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
very
much
we're
moving
right
along
to
unfinished
business
and
we
there
is
no
unfinished
business
this
evening.
So
let
us
proceed
to
new
business
agenda
item
4a,
the
city
of
palm
springs,
seeking
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
allow
removal
of
the
stone
arch
at
the
orchid
tree
inn,
which
is
class
1
and
class
2.
B
Very
briefly,
I
brought
this
to
your
attention
last
month
in
recent
site
inspections
that
I
made
to
the
site
of
the
community
church
fire.
I
took
a
closer
look
at
this
arch
and
I
noticed
that
there
are
many
factors
of
this
arch
that,
in
my
mind,
diminish
or
disqualify
it
as
a
character
defining
feature
of
this
site,
and
I
have
outlined
this
in
the
staff
report
in
the
photos.
B
B
It
was
implied
in
the
authors
report
that
it
was
part
of
the
only
surviving
factor
of
the
1915
bungalow
that
was
burned
on
the
site,
but
when
you
begin
to
look
at
this
site
carefully,
you
see
that
this
stone
arch
is
not
from
that
period.
It
is
not
a
character,
defining
feature.
It
was
something
that
was
probably
added
in
the
1990s
as
a
way
of
stitching
together
these
disparate
little
individual
pins.
B
That
kind
of
lacked
a
common
theme,
because
you
see
the
same
rock
features
kind
of
throughout
the
site.
I've
noted
that
there's
electrical
conduit,
that's
coming
out
of
this
wall.
That's
integrally
integrally
cast
into
them
or
worked
into
the
mortar,
not
something
that
was
drilled
in
later.
The
arch
lays
over
the
top
of
a
concrete
block
wall
that
is
clearly
not
from
the
1915
period.
B
W
B
I'm
not
recommending
that
you
remove
the
designation
from
this
site
whatsoever.
I
am
recommending
that
you
remove
the
arch
recognizing
that
it
may
have
been
erroneously
included,
that
upon
further.
A
G
Yes,
mr
lyon,
I
was
just
curious
why
why
you're
wrecking
I
mean
is
there
some
is?
Is
it
part
of
the
development
for
the
site
I
just
like?
Why
is
it
in
particular
being
recommended
for
removal.
B
Well,
I
stumbled
upon
it.
I
stumbled
upon
it
upon
seeing
the
the
recent
fire
damage
at
the
adjacent
historic
site
and
I
care-
and
I
think
it's
extremely
important-
that
the
integrity
of
our
historic
preservation
program
be
maintained
at
the
highest
level
possible
and
when
we
start
labeling
things
as
being
historic.
B
That,
upon
further
analysis,
are
clearly
not.
It
damages
the
integrity
of
our
whole
historic
preservation
program.
So
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
development
that's
proposed
on
this
site.
It
is,
I
don't,
have
any
interest
in
how
that
goes
at
all.
I
am.
I
am
bringing
this
to
your
attention
to
correct.
What
I
feel
is
an
important
error
in
an
earlier
analysis,
because
I
feel
the
the
integrity
of
our
program
is
strengthened
by
fixing
these
errors.
B
G
A
H
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
ken
and
mr
hanson.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
on
page
9
of
10
on
this
report
regarding
the
arch,
the
very
last
line
of
this
action,
along
with
requiring
the
owner
to
clear
all
remaining
sidewalls
dead,
vegetation
and
combustion
with
combustible
materials
from
the
side
under
administrative
order.
H
There
is
a
pillar
of
this
stone
construction
on
the
northern
edge
of
the
site.
That
appears
much
different
than
everything
else,
and
it
appears
to
have
some
perhaps
some
historic
integrity,
because
it
looks
different
feels
different.
It
feels
older
and
it's
reminiscent
of
some
of
those
powers
or
pillars
that
you
see
around
the
old
columbus
neighborhood
and
specifically
at
the
entrance
to
trina
road
where
it
meets
pond
canyon
drive.
H
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
could
be
excluded
that
one,
and
maybe
everything
else
could
be
part
of
this.
I
don't
want
to
take
down
something
that
might
end
up
being.
You
know
from
the
20s
if
we
can
help
it.
B
I,
I
am
not
persuaded
that
the
rock
walls
that
we
see
and
the
columns
and
the
piers
and
other
features
on
the
site
or
anything
more
than
a
a
component
part
of
the
1990s
arch
that
were
done
to
try
to
you,
know
quaint
this
thing
up
and
it
represents
almost
a
false
sense
of
historicity.
A
Okay,
any
other
any
other
questions.
C
A
I
have
a
motion
by
miller
and
may
I
have
a
second
please:
okay,
second,
okay,
second,
by
member
hanson,
is
there.
B
One
question
yeah
member
miller:
are
you?
Are
you
doing
the
recommendation?
That's
in
the
staff
report.
B
I'm
questioning
under
recommendation
the
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
removing
allowing
removal
of
the
arch
direct
staff
to
correct
the
archival
file,
direct,
the
hbo
building,
official
and
code
enforcement
to
work
with
the
property
owner
to
improve
the
site
security
and
remove
remaining
nuisances.
A
And-
and
you
agree
remember-
hansen
in
the
second,
yes,
okay,
thank
you
any
other
further
discussion,
okay
saying,
then
I
call
for
the
question
all
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
say
I
any
opposed.
A
Okay
motion
passes
four
to
zero.
Let's
proceed
to
discussions
item
5a
and
our
5a
is
a
brief
report
on
the
preservation
matters
symposium.
A
We
made
an
extensive
report
last
month
of
the
success
and
attendance
and
participation
and
we
just
continue
with
receiving
comments
and
updating
and
compiling
those
comments
for
the
next
subcommittee,
and
I
would
like
to
request
if
it's
appropriate,
to
establish
a
new
subcommittee
to
organize
the
2023
symposium
and
three
board
members
are
permitted
to
to
serve
on
this
subcommittee,
and
so
do
we
have
three
board
members
present
or
do
I
have
any
volunteers?
A
B
In
making
this
request,
isn't
the
board
at
this
point
ask
aren't
you
asking
the
question
whether
or
not
that
the
board
wishes
to
pursue.
B
Of
another
annual
symposium
so
you're
asking
whether
the
board
wants
to
produce
this
symposium
again
next
year,
and
if
that
answer
is
yes,
then
you'd
like
to
get
a
subcommittee
appointed.
A
And
then
the
subcommittee,
they
might
decide
it's
too
much
work
and
don't
want
to
do
it,
but
but
it's
good
for
the
city.
So
so
first
question
is:
would
we
like
to
proceed
in
organizing
a
2023,
symposium
and
remember
miller,
you
raised
your
hand
for.
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
suggest,
so
I
won't
be
on
the
board
very
much
longer,
I'm
in
a
holdover
capacity.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
or
remind
you,
and
also
I
understand
there
probably
will
be
some
new
board
members
coming
on
board
in
july
or
september.
C
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
wait
to
try
to
solicit
interest
on
the
committee,
then,
because
without
myself,
there's
only
three
of
you
left
at
this
meeting.
A
What
I
would
like
to
suggest
is
because
vice
chair,
nelson
and
member
hanson
worked
so
well
on
the
last
symposium,
I
would
like
to
ask
if
you
two
would
consider
serving
and
then,
if
we
can
leave
the
third
spot
open
for
a
few
months,
I
can
kind
of
help
and
work
with
you
over
the
summer,
but
perhaps
I
could
step
back
and
a
new
a
new
board
member
could
serve
with
some
new
ideas
and
a
fresh.
A
P
A
Okay,
so
why
don't
we
if,
if
this
is
correct,
mr
lyon,
the
three
of
us
will
start
the
meet
and
start
the
subcommittee,
and
then
I
would
like
to
step
out
when
we
have
newborn
or
reconsider
when
we
have
new
board
members.
Is
that
okay
to
do?
I
think.
B
A
Okay,
so
we'll
get
together
with
hanson
and
nelson
and
I'll
be
in
touch
with
you
getting
our
first
meeting.
I
would
love
it
to
be
before
the
end
of
june
or
in
july
to
to
get
started
and
then
proceeding
in
the
fall.
So
do
we?
Do
you
have
any
comments
about
that
or
any
suggestions
you're
good
with
that?
Okay
oops
vice
chair
nelson
yeah.
H
Just
very
briefly,
looking
forward
to
it
and
very
excited
to
be
working
with
member
hanson,
because
I
know
will
bring
a
huge
wealth
of
knowledge
and
contacts
and
other
things
that
we
haven't
been
fortunate
to
have
in
some
of
our
previous
years
so
very
exciting.
Yes,.
A
G
Sorry,
I
was
just
wondering
if,
if
mr
lyon
knows,
if
we're
going
to
return
to
in-person
meetings
anytime
soon,.
B
We
don't
know
the
council
has
returned
to
in-person
meetings.
There
was
some
discussion
that
staff
meeting
today
that
we
might
go
to
some
kind
of
a
hybridized
meeting
type,
but
it
will
get
that
direction
from
the
city
council,
okay,.
A
Okay,
any
other
board
member
comments.
Remember
how
vice
chair
nelson
thank.
H
You
thank
you
for
mr
lyon.
Do
you
know
if
anyone
else
has
been
considered
or
appointed
to
fill
mr
miller's
pending
vacancy
and
also
what
is
the
deadline
for
people
who
are
interested
in
applying
for
the
board.
B
I
don't
know
what
the
council
has
been
doing
in
terms
of
appointments,
and
maybe
dave
mr
newell
may
know,
but
I
I
do
not
know
what's
happening
in
that
regard.
Right
now,.
H
N
E
Okay,
if
yeah
sorry
hi,
commissioner
hi
there.
K
E
Evening,
yeah,
so,
just
to
add
to
what
mr
lyon
said,
we,
the
city
council,
has
been
going
through
discussion
on
boards
and
commissions
kind
of
as
a
larger
conversation,
and
you
may
have
been
following
some
of
that
on
their
council
meetings.
E
So
there's
still
kind
of
an
ongoing
conversation
that
the
council
is
having
in
terms
of
board
training,
board
makeup,
and
so
those
discussions
are
still
ongoing.
For
now
we
anticipate
that
you
know
we're
going
to
keep
seats
open
until
those
final
decisions
are
made
from
council
and
we
would
just
ask
those
who
would
otherwise
be
turned
out
to
continue
to
serve
if
they're
open
to
it
until
or
if
there's
a
vacancy,
if
you
know
you're
still
phone
that
vacancy
to
continue
serving
until
those
kind
of
final
decisions
are
made.
A
Okay,
all
right
does
staff
have
any
other
comments
this
evening.
E
Yes,
just
one
thing
you
may
have
gotten
an
email
and
maybe
it's
a.
I
should
ask
if
you
got
an
email,
I
thought
it
went
out,
but
if
you
didn't
please
let
me
know
or
can
know
that,
but
there
was
an
invitation
sent
out.
I
believe
is
in
the
past
week
or
so
for
a
joint
meeting
with
the
city
council
on
june
21st.
So
two
weeks
from
today
that
would
be
an
in-person
meeting
at
the
convention
center
with
all
boards
and
commissions
that
that
would
be
held
with
the
council.
E
It's
a
5
pm
dinner
and
then
a
6
p.m.
Meeting,
and
at
that
meeting
it's
really
it's
a
time
for
each
board.
To
give
a
brief,
you
know
presentation
on
what
they've
worked
on
in
the
past
year
and
just
kind
of
present
that
information
to
the
council
and
then
you
know,
thank
you
really
thank
you
dinner
for
all
your
work.
B
And
chair
heads
chair,
chair
huff,
I
think
you
have
that
powerpoint
presentation
already
put
together
from
the
symposium.
A
H
Just
have
one
more
quick
comment:
it
would
be
wonderful
if
in
his
time-
and
I
know
if
you
trying
to
catch
up,
if
staff
member
lyon
could
maybe
just
email
the
board
members
everything
that
the
council
has
actually
designated
that
we've
sent
them
within
the
last
year.
Just
so,
we
can
update
our
own
list
or
maybe
just
send
us
the
updated
class
on
the
manual.
D
A
Yeah
sure
will
do
okay,
so
any
other
staff
comments
any
others.
B
A
Very
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
looking
being
a
private
investigator
too
looking
into
everything,
so,
okay,
saying
no
further
discussion.
A
This
meeting
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board
is
adjourned
to
the
meeting
of
tuesday
july
5
2022
at
5
30
pm,
and
it
is
what
804
adjourned.
So
thanks
everyone
for
your
participation
this
evening.
It
was
a
really
great
meeting
and
thanks
to
staff
and
and
and
all
that
participated.