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A
C
A
B
E
F
A
Okay,
so
since
this
is
a
public
meeting,
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue
that
is
within
this
community
purview
comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time.
The
item
is
presented.
If
you
want
to
speak
on
an
item,
that's
not
on
today's
agenda.
You
may
speak
now.
You
have
three
minutes,
I,
believe
everybody's
here
for
a
case,
so
we'll
proceed
to
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
The
committee
have
any
comments
on
the
minutes.
C
F
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
ASC.
So
if
you
recall
two
weeks
ago,
this
item
was
are
presented
to
you
and
at
that
meeting
you
had
several
comments
regarding
the
design
and
then
the
proposed
plantings
and
relative
to
the
sizes
of
the
plants
and
the
placement
of
the
planting.
So
in
all,
the
applicant
has
taken
all
those
comments
and
recommendation
that
you
provided
they
have
made
revisions.
So
that's
what
you're
currently
seen
on
the
on
the
exhibit,
and
they
are
also
part
of
the
exhibit
that
I
presented
to
you
so
the
main
layout.
B
B
So,
madam
chair,
this
would
be
this
that
will
conclude
staff
report.
We,
our
staff,
is
asking
the
ASC
to
to
recommend
approval
of
this
project
as
submitted
to
the
Director
of
Planning,
but
should
you
have
additional
comments
or
recommendations
that
will
make
this
conversion
even
more
successful?
Who
wonders
as
conditions
so
that
the
applicants
could
proceed
woody
woody
stuff
conversion
for
those
of
you
that
may
have
been
out
decides
you
can
see
the
current
condition
of
landscaping?
That
is
it
is.
B
A
J
Things
that
we
we
did
on
this
one
that
was
a
little
different
is
that
we
were
removing
a
existing
palm
off
by
the
school
area
and
an
existing
ficus.
Also,
we
try
to
accent
the
existing
olive
trees
with
white
roses
and
we
initially
wanted
to
install
a
rubble,
a
rubble
path,
but
there
is
a
bit
of
an
issue
with
vandalism
with
school
next
door,
so
to
supplement
that
word,
we're
suggesting
a
DG
path
or
you
know
if,
if
the
board
recommends,
you
know
not
having
that
you
know
and
have
it
have
it
all
be
consistent.
H
G
G
J
G
G
D
J
D
Okay,
so
I
would
suggest
some
kind
of
edging
if
they
have
to
be
DG,
but
I
would
suggest
that
otherwise
they're
just
gonna,
intersperse
and
mix
together
and
it's
gonna
look
pretty
bad
fairly
quickly
unless
it's
maintained
really
well,
but
I
think
you
said
last
time
you
won't
be
maintaining
this
project
correct
yeah,
so
I
would
suggest
some
kind
of
edge,
banding
or
or
maybe
this
path
or
whatever
become
a
completely
different
material,
larger
in
scale.
Yeah
I'm,
not
quite
sure
that
the
DG
is
necessary
at
all
either
then.
D
J
The
only
the
only
issue
we
have
with
using
cobble
or
a
bubble-
or
you
know,
is
that
there's
been
cases
where
there's
been
vandalism
and
the
church
really
wants
to
protect
their
stained
glass.
It's
it's
not
just
the
same
glass,
it's
more
of
an
art
piece,
it's
they're
replaceable,
so
to
protect
their
investment
or
their
best
interest.
In
that
we're.
You
know
if
it's
okay
with
you
guys,
we'd
prefer
just
to
go
away
with
the
just
forget
about
the
DG
and
just
have
it
all
be
one
consistent,
color
and.
D
That
is
what
I'm
saying
something
larger
in
scale
so,
but
we
can
maybe
talk
on
that
a
bit
more.
The
other
thing
is,
they
think
one
of
the
comments
that
may
have
gotten
missed
in
the
staff
report,
or
maybe
just
not
a
hundred
percent
communicated
as
I
read
through
the
staff
report,
now
also
I'm
meeting
minutes
for
a
few
minutes
ago.
It
seemed
like
I
feel
like
when
we
reviewed
this
a
few
weeks
ago
that
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
colors
and
things
going
on
that.
D
That
was
a
feedback
item
also
and
before
you
answer
I
think
it's
gone
from
from
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
going
on
at
that
point
to
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
going
on
at
this
point,
with
with
color
with
the
bougainvillea
that
yellow
Lantana
the
euphorbia
and
now
an
introduction
of
the
roses.
So
I
don't
I,
don't
quite
understand.
It's
definitely
improved
I.
Think
from
last
time,
when
it
was
just
that
singular
agave
Americana
was
the
main
element
in
the
center.
J
D
Me
clarify
what
I
meant
by
more
material
and
I.
Think
I
was
clear
on
this
last
time,
but
I
could
be
clearer
now,
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
maybe
a
monotone,
color
or
texture,
or
something
like
that
without
pinks
and
yellows,
and
you
know,
white
and
orange,
which
I
think
we
saw
quite
a
bit
of
last
time.
D
Does
that
help
clarify
so
I
think
what
I'm
one
more
second
I
think
what
I'm
saying
now
is
that
maybe
just
a
reduction
in
the
amount
of
colors
I
think
you
can
there's
a
lot
of
different
species
of
perhaps
agave
or
hello,
or
something
like
that.
That
I
think
could
be
a
little
bit
better,
grouped
varying
sizes
of
the
same
thing.
I
believe
that
was
one
of
our
comments.
Also
groupings
of
those
together
could
go
a
longer
way.
Then.
A
A
A
J
A
A
All
right,
so
it
has
been
an
improvement.
The
graphic
actually
help
us
to
see
what
landscape
materials
are
being
put
together,
their
comments
that
have
come
up
as
far
as
the
agave
being
sort
of
the
feature,
even
if
you
see
it
in
that
rendering
that
they're
not
five
gallon,
that
they're,
more
15
gallon
features
and
I,
think
that
would
help
to
create
a
intermediate
scale
landscape
in
between
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
building.
A
A
E
Generally,
I
would
agree
that,
with
the
comments
that
the
committee's
made
and
I
definitely
agree
with
the
number
of
colors
and
I
was
looking
at
the
colors
in
the
stained
glass
I,
don't
know
how
representative
the
photo
is
in
the
packet
but
maybe
use
those
as
your
guide
for
colors
for
the
plant
material.
That
would
mean
maybe
reading
the
Pink's,
so
you're
kind
of
doing,
reds,
blues
and
yellows
and
maybe
a
white.
But
you
know
I,
think
the
pink
kind
of
seems
foreign
to
me.
So
thank.
D
G
F
H
It's
a
tough
guy
I
think
that
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
a
variety
of
colors
I
think
the
way
David's
group
made
groupings
of
them.
It
creates
a
pattern
in
the
landscape
and,
as
you
drive
through
to
most
passerby
Zoar,
you
know
the
congregation
they
enjoy,
seeing
that
color
at
different
times
of
the
year.
So
I'm,
ok
with
it
the
way
as
a
group
I
think
I,
don't
know.
H
If
there's
been
any
discussion
about
instead
of
the
decomposed
granite
using
3/4
inch
rock
we
found
on
commercial
projects,
it's
just
more
sustainable
I
know
it's
additional
cost,
but
in
the
long
term
it
seems
to
just
work
large
areas
and
I
think
the
way
the
mounding
is
done
out.
There
is
going
to
be
key
and
scape
installation.
H
Think
you
know
the
way
they're
indicated
on
the
plan
he's
created
some
groupings
with
the
GAVI
and
plants
kind
of
using
the
boulders
to
anchor
those
plants.
So
I
think
you
know
those
might
be
some
adjustments
that
could
occur
in
the
field,
but
it
appears
you
know
that
he's
used
them
to
anchor
some
of
the
plants
which
I
think
is
good.
Thank.
C
Think
it's
a
great
improvement
from
what
we
saw
last
time
and
I
think
they
listened
well
to
our
comments.
You
know
we're
following
up
with
a
few
fine-tuning
on
those
things.
I
think
the.
If
you
stick
with
the
decomposed
granite
I
would
recommend
that
it
just
be
one
color,
the
kind
of
meandering
what
appears
to
me
to
be
a
walkway
to
nowhere
unless
you're,
using
it
as
a
foreground
just
in
front
of
the
stained
glass,
possibly
but
not
on
the
other
side
and
I
agree
with
all
the
other
comments.
C
A
Okay,
so
I
like
to
wrap
the
comments
and
get
a
motion
in
place.
I
I
think
there
are
several
suggestions
that
have
been
made
that
could
go
either
way
that
I
believe
that
the
staff
can
work
with
the
applicant
but
I
think
in
general.
The
is
it
is
an
improvement
if
it
is
a
matter
of
removing
a
couple
colors
or
keeping
the
colors.
A
D
A
Will
put
that
as
a
condition
of
longer
maintenance,
I
mean
longer
longevity
to
the
project
and
the
applicant
with
a
staff
will
have
a
chance
to
respond
to
that
or
work
on
that
together,
but
to
debate
if
3/4
inches
an
issue
or
not,
our
experience
has
been.
That
is
not
an
issue
is
actually
long
lasting
material.
So
it's
an
investment
worth
making.
A
Understand
but
3/4
3/4
inch
is
madness:
there's
variations
after
three
quarter
inch
or
I'm.
Sorry,
we
can
go
a
3/8
inch,
which
is
really
yeah
3/8
inch,
but
the
idea
is
that
we
wanted
something
heavier
so
that
the
D
G
doesn't
end
up
just
being
bare
and
then
you'd
see
the
native
within
three
months
of
this
project.
Improvement.
B
A
A
So
we're
agreeing
that
the
that
the
walkways
that
are
being
created
are
to
be
removed
and
if
they
do
want
to
highlight
an
area
in
front
of
the
stained
glasses,
it
could
be
more
of
an
area
rather
than
a
walkway
to
nowhere
to
that
the
Agabus
the
size
of
the
agaves
should
be
at
15
gallon,
so
that
they
are
a
feature
to
the
landscape.
Design
wreath
at
the
location
of
the
boulders
will
be
to
anchor
the
major
plantings
that
they
use
it
to
anchor
the
major
plantings
for
that
D.
A
A
H
C
K
I
seem
to
have
a
bit
of
a
hard
time,
always
talking
and
chewing
gum
with
these
slides,
but
I'm
gonna
try
to
go
through
these
and
then
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
at
the
end
of
this.
If
we
can
get
our
audio/visual
to
work
and
Jerry
as
our
stellar
coach
on
that
the
applicant
has
a
videographic
that
will
also
further
characterize
this
project.
So
this
is
on
a
lot
twenty
four,
which
is
toward
the
northerly
part
of
the
desert
Palisades
specific
plan.
K
The
lot
slopes,
basically
roughly
20
feet
from
the
north
west
side
to
the
southeast
side
and,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
grading
plan,
there
is
an
area
of
retention
toward
that
lower
part
of
the
site.
The
home
is
basically
stepped
to
respond
to
the
topography
of
the
site,
and
it
is
essentially
by
its
design,
a
steel
post
and
beam
type
of
construction.
K
This
is
the
self
I'm
gonna
refer
to
as
the
South
elevation,
but
it's
really
kind
of
the
South
East
elevation.
This
is
really
the
back
side
of
the
house,
and
here
again
you
can
understand
the
hierarchy
of
the
spaces
both
internally
and
on
the
way
that
those
internal
spaces
are
articulated
on
the
outside
of
the
house.
K
So
the
main
structure,
which
is
the
tallest,
is
the
living
room
area
and
then
the
area
and
this
photo
to
the
left
would
be
the
bedrooms
and
then
toward
the
right
are
the
kitchen
and
media
areas
of
the
home
and
then
immediately
in
front
of
it
in
this
particular
image
is
the
pool
and
hot
tub
area.
So
this
is
a
rendering
showing
that
back
side
of
the
house,
and
it
also
helps
you
understand
how
this
house
basically
follows
the
contours
of
the
lot
towards
the
right
side
of
this
particular
slide.
K
This
is
the
East
elevation
of
the
home,
and
here
you
can
see
the
various
terraces
and
the
diagonal
members
there
as
the
stairs
that
are
heading
from
the
various
levels
down
in
the
pool.
Terrace
the
individual
freestanding
structure
there
to
the
left
is
a
covered,
shade
structure,
that's
adjacent
to
the
pool.
K
This
is
the
view
from
the
LA
uphill
and
I
asked
the
applicants
to
put
this
together
so
that
you
understand
that
this
house
really
is
hugging
as
closely
as
possible
to
the
natural
terrain
of
this
site.
It's
a
low-slung,
very
horizontally,
Orion
No
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
basically
is
settled
down
into
the
landscape
as
as
much
as
they
could,
which
also
helps
them
conform
with
the
overall
height
limits
that
are
imposed
by
the
desert
palisade
specific
plan.
K
This
is
then
the
uphill
side
as
well,
basically
that
what
we
would
call
the
West
elevation
and
there
you
can
see
the
pool
pavilion,
shade
structure
off
to
the
right
on
the
roof.
You'll
notice
in
this
image
that
toward
the
bottom,
which
is
the
bedroom
wing,
there
are
photovoltaics,
the
applicant
from
the
time
that
I
wrote.
K
The
staff
report
until
today
has
provided
revised
drawings
and
I'll
get
into
a
couple
of
the
items
on
my
recommendations,
but
most
of
the
items
that
I
had
conditioned
on
my
recommendations,
they've
already
responded
to
in
a
favorable
manner,
so
I'll
go
through
that
in
a
minute
and
the
interior
of
the
home.
Again,
you
can
see
here
the
structural
grid.
That's
laid
over.
This
house
is
very
classic
in
terms
of
its
modernist
form
of
the
way
that
structure
defines
the
various
spaces
of
the
home.
Oops.
K
K
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
here
you
see
the
home
in
session
and
again
it's
a
little
bit
tougher
to
read
here,
but
as
this
home
moves
across
this
lot,
it
does
step
with
the
typography
and
with
the
stem
walls.
It's
literally
just
barely
floating
above
the
natural
terrain,
and
the
applicant
will
explain
a
little
bit
more
of
that
to
you,
but
it
it
has
almost
no
grading
required
in
the
way
that
they've
designed
this
home.
K
This
is
a
couple
of
the
elevations
again
the
front
elevation
at
the
bottom
of
the
rear
elevation
there
at
the
top
and
some
site
sections
through
as
well
to
help
you
understand
the
top.
When
you
can
see
those
board
formed
concrete
stem
walls
and
their
foundations
that
are
setting
across
the
site,
and
then
these
are
the
same
sections
cut
in
the
other
direction.
K
This
is
a
three
dimensional
image
that
the
applicant
put
together
and
they'll.
Explain
this
a
bit
further
to
you
as
well,
as
we
noted
there's
a
considerable
amount
of
glazing
on
the
south
and
east
side
of
this
home,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
asked
them
to
provide
was
information
that
helped
substantiate
that
that
glass
has
a
decent
amount
of
roof
to
cover
it,
especially
during
the
early
morning.
Hours,
and
this
is,
as
you
can
see,
taken
at
5:25
a.m.
K
it's
one
of
the
most
open
or
exposed
parts
or
periods
of
time
of
the
day.
And,
interestingly,
as
you
can
see,
the
kitchen
media,
a
wig,
that's
in
the
foreground
actually
has
a
very
effective
ability
to
screen
and
control
the
Sun
coming
into
the
main
living
room.
So
it's
quite
effective
in
that
regard.
K
This
really
addresses
simply
site
lighting,
there's
a
very
low
ambient
light,
that's
walking
along
pathways
and
so
on,
and
a
small
amount
of
up
lighting
to
highlight
a
couple
of
the
specimen
trees
and
that's
the
end
of
that
part
of
the
presentation.
I
want
to
just
go
back
a
moment
to
the
opening
recommendation
in
my
staff
report.
The
issue
on
the
policy
on
screening
the
applicant
has
revised
the
photovoltaics
on
the
roof
so
that
they're
laying
more
closely
to
the
roof,
so
that
will
not
require
additional
screening.
K
They
will
be
submitting
to
us
an
additional
revised
plant
palette.
As
you'll
note
in
your
staff
report,
some
of
the
species
that
they
were
proposing
are
not
within
the
pallet
that
was
approved
with
the
desert.
Palisade
specific
plan,
so
they'll
be
bringing
in
a
landscape
plan
with
some
alternatives
on
the
material
there
that
will
conform
and,
as
you
saw
on
the
landscape
plan,
if
I
can
go
back
to
that,
a
minute
see
how
effectively
I
can
get
back
there
fast
I.
K
Can't
I
guess
the
wheel
is
spinning
the
landscaping
here
we
go.
The
landscaping,
as
you
can
see,
is
generally
the
naturalized
condition
of
a
site.
The
the
tan
colored
things
are
obviously
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
rocks
and
in
certain
areas
where
they've
got
protection
and
where
they're,
basically
surrounded
by
either
the
trellis
structures
or
the
structure
of
the
home
itself.
K
Everything
else
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
you
see
there,
they
have
actually
responded
to
the
most
recent
set
of
materials
and
so
they're
no
longer
an
outstanding
issue.
The
full
analysis
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
exhaustive
detail
but
beginning
I
believe
on
page
8
of
your
staff
report.
It
gets
into
the
full
analysis
of
this
project
against
all
of
the
various
guidelines
for
desert
Palisades,
for
hillside
development,
for
architectural
review
for
the
underlying
esa
SP
zone.
K
It's
all
there
and
as
we
have
evaluated
this
home,
we
believe
that
it
is
consistent
with
not
only
the
specific
development
standards
but
the
overall
spirit
and
intent
of
the
desert
Palisades
specific
plan.
So
we're
recommending
that
you
recommend
approval
to
the
Planning
Commission
of
this
project,
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
and
the
applicant
is
in
the
audience
and
would
like
to
make
a
further
presentation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
K
The
landscaping
is
pretty
much
as
you
see
it
here,
I'm
not
asking
for
revisions
in
the
overall
design
of
it.
What
we
found
was
that
there
are
a
few
particular
species
that
are
not
listed
within
the
approved
plan
list
for
desert
Palisades.
The
most
obvious
example
is
the
oka
teal,
but
there's
some
other
types
that
are
simply
not
within
the
design
palette.
K
L
Mm,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Bob
Smith
I'm,
the
owner
of
lot
24
I,
don't
want
to
take
a
lot
of
my
architects
time
here,
but
just
by
a
little
bit
of
history,
our
firm
MSA
consulting,
which
is
my
day
job.
Some
of
you
I
know
from
that
work.
First
engaged
with
the
the
developer
of
this
site
back
in
2004.
L
So
we
have
a
long
history
of
desert
Palisades,
it's
one
of
the
projects
that
were
most
proud
of
out
of
all
the
work
we've
done
over
the
last
40
years
and
we
started
with
the
specific
plan.
The
I
are
helped
with
the
design
guidelines.
Did
the
Chino
Cone
ordinate.
So
we
have
a
long
history
with
this
actually
took
it
all
the
way
through
the
design,
engineering,
design
and
the
construction,
and
so
at
the
end
of
this
and
they're
about
2017.
L
The
developer
approached
me
about
the
possibility
of
going
one
step
further,
which
involved
building
one
of
the
homes
and
came
at
a
time
and
aligned
with
my
plan
to
start
a
small
family
business
with
my
sons.
So
the
timing
was
good
and
Ed
Freeman.
The
developer
introduced
me
to
Ray
Cappy,
who
is
an
icon
in
the
architectural
industry,
so
the
chance
to
commission,
with
with
mr.
Cappy
and
and
to
work
with
my
sons
on
this
project,
got
me
to
this
point.
So
we've
been
working
on
the
project
to
this
level.
L
What
you
see
in
in
front
of
you
today
is
the
result
of
that
work.
I'd
like
to
just
briefly
introduce
the
team
here.
My
son
Byron
Tom
Lynch,
who
is
the
construction
manager,
is
familiar.
Probably
the
person
most
familiar.
He
probably
knows
where
every
boulders
buried
out
there
having
been
out
there
for
several
years-
john
peddle.
L
He
knows
our
general
contractor
and
longtime
client
friend
of
mine
and
next
to
me,
is
fin
Cappy
representing
the
Cappy
studio
and
he
fins
gonna
present
the
architecture
so
we'd
appreciate
your
support
today,
we'd
like
to
move
this
on
Planning
Commission
as
soon
as
possible
and
appreciate
Ken's
help
and
putting
the
staff
report
together.
Thanks
again,
thank.
A
M
Hello,
my
name
is
Finn
caffee,
madam
chairman
members,
Bob
mentioned
that
he's
starting
up.
This
is
kind
of
an
opportunity
and
a
launch
pad
for
a
family
business,
and
we
know
something
about
that.
With
my
dad
ray
caffee
and
myself,
my
brother's
an
architect
as
well,
so
we
were
really
pleased
when
they
addressed
us
to
work
with
them.
It
seems
like
it's
been
a
really
good
fit
so
far
and
we're
looking
forward
to
going
for
their
further
forward
forward
further
Ken.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
that
presentation
is
really
complete
and
strong.
M
There's
some
projects
like
mutual
housing
in
Brentwood
and
some
other
things
like
that
that
are
in
the
hillsides
and
it
just
has
the
kind
of
super
special
feel
so
we're
honored
to
be
asked
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
raise
sorry
couldn't
be
here
today.
His
health
is
not
great
he's
not
traveling
much.
He
sent
his
regards
to
everyone
and
I
think
he
feels
that
we've
put
forward
a
good
project
that
will
contribute
to
the
overall
legacy,
great
legacy
of
modern
residential
architecture
in
Palm,
Springs,
nitros
work
and
Albert
Frye
and
others
lautner.
M
This
is
sort
of
it's
just
a
little
house,
but
you
know
he
does
them
really
really
well
and
I
think
that
the
post-and-beam
vernacular
translated
so
nicely
to
steal
and
to
following
the
topography
of
this
specific
site.
So
just
to
give
you
a
quick
view
of
an
early
white
model,
I
think
we
have
this
and
it
will
that's
how
it's
citing
winter
Sun
is
on
top
sorry
for
the
mild
whiplash
here
on
this
first
move.
M
Compact
side
that
can
refer
to
relative
to
the
neighboring
property
coming
around
to
project
south.
It
drops
away
the
land
drops
away
in
this
ravine,
there's
a
natural
ravine
that
runs
through
the
property.
You
can
see
it
right
here
it
slides
up
through
and
under
the
house,
and
actually
exits.
That's
where
there
was
a
split
under
this
square
bay
window.
There
was
a
split
in
the
stem
walls
to
allow
that
to
roll
right
through
there
there's
not
much
water
in
it
these
days,
but
we
still
wanted
to
really
respect
that
aspect
of
the
landscape
summer.
M
So
I
thought
that
was
a
really
great
idea
to
and
I
was
at
the
gas
station
this
morning
on
my
way
out
here
and
I'm
filling
my
car
with
gas
and
the
guy
next
to
me
pulls
up
in
a
pickup
truck
and
there's
this
like
Indian
chanting,
going
on
coming
off
of
his
radio.
You
know
it's
really
kind
of
great
compared
to
hearing
some
hip-hop
blasting
in
LA,
so
I
think
it's
a
proper
idea
for
this
area.
I
understand
why
he
wants
to
do
it.
Let's
see,
I
talked
right
through
that.
M
Didn't
I,
let's
see
if
we
go
back
just
a
second
this
after
this
reveal
happened.
You
can
see
that
this
is
the
bedroom
wing
here,
there's
three
bedrooms:
this
is
the
entry
in
the
middle
as
Ken
suggested
its
tallest
space
entry
and
dining
and
living
room
and
the
deck
out
to
the
pool
area
and
then
stepping
down
two
more
feet.
Is
the
breakfast
room,
the
kitchen
in
the
media
area
over
here?
M
This
is
service
laundry
and
then
there's
a
internal
stair
going
down
to
the
enclosed
garage
carport,
which
connects
to
a
screen
patio
and
then
stepping
down
to
the
fire
pit
area
again.
So
this
exhibit
will
exist
somewhere
right
around
here.
So
it
relates
to
the
ravine
and
the
spillways
and
out
to
the
long
view
across
the
further
down
the
canyon.
M
M
F
F
M
M
M
C
Couple
of
questions
the
overall
I
think
it's
a
great
project.
First
of
all,
but
as
we
look
at
the
roof,
the
Eve
looks
very,
very
thin
and
the
rough
structure
looks
very
thin
and
we're
gonna
be
seeing
the
bottom
of
those
overhangs
a
lot.
So
I
would
just
like
you
to
maybe
explain
a
bit
on
what
the
section
is
through
that
roof.
There.
M
The
idea
was
to
maintain
a
very
thin
fascia,
exactly
what
you're
saying
and
what
you're
seeing.
So
that's
only
going
to
be
six
inches.
It's
a
perimeter,
gutter
system,
all
around
the
building
and
the
structure.
Is
it's
a
the
structural
engineer
really
liked
this,
because
he
could
do
everything
out
of
post-and-beam,
steel
and
then
metal,
decking
and
on
the
roof.
We
have
rigid
insulation
on
top
of
that
tapered
rigid
insulation
on
the
bottom.
We
have
plaster
for
the
ceilings
and
that's
the
same
system.
We're
using
on
the
floors.
He's
got
metal
deck
and
concrete
fill.
M
M
H
A
M
Gutter
system,
as
I
mentioned,
is
all
around
the
perimeter
of
the
roof
and
downspouts
we're
not
using
so
we'll
be
using
rain
chains
to
drop
the
water
into
architectural
catch
basins
at
select
locations
also
because
the
roofs
a
step,
a
step,
roof
step.
You
can
drop
water
roof
to
roof
so
that
those
rain
chains
are
correct.
At
nice
locations.
M
E
M
That's
a
right
there,
you're
looking
at
it,
so
that
is
a
sliding
glass
door.
So
it's
a
kind
of
a
convertible
space.
Isn't
it
so
it
car
could
certainly
be
parked
there.
But
if
it's
not,
you
can
open
that
up
and
have
it
right
on
through.
So
it's
pretty
airy
and
breezy
for
breathing
for
parties
or
what
have
you
or
you
know
whatever
you
might
want
to
do-
is
they're
just
flexible
space
and
and.
E
Then,
in
the
model
fly
through
this
you
did
it
looked
and
maybe
I
misread
it.
It
looked
like
the
ravine
that
you
talked
about
kind
of
that
the
pool
sat
like
right
in
it,
and
so
could
you
maybe
bring
that
up
and
soar
to
sort
of
talk
about
where
the
ravine
actually
goes
in
relation
to
the
pool
yeah
ooh.
M
I
M
E
M
M
F
M
We're
kind
of
pleased
with
this
suggestion
by
Russell
the
landscape,
because
we
think
it
has
a
good
chance
of
being
delicate
in
the
landscape
and
not
kind
of
in
closing
the
pool
perimeter
directly.
So
this
is
the
line
of
it
here.
You
can
see
where
the
cursor:hand
is
mm-hmm,
this
sort
of
dotted
line
that
steps
and
staggers
around
the
property
here,
so
those
are
open
to
by
to
court
and
steel
posts.
Basically,
that
will
rise
up
vertically,
so
you
can
see
through
it
it'll
have
the
rusted
tone,
so
sort
of
blend
with
the
landscape.
M
M
M
A
F
F
A
M
M
Just
either
light
sandblaster
or
a
light
kind
of
sand,
broom
finish,
and
then
in
this
case
over
here.
This
is
a
detail
where
there's
a
little
split
in
it
in
the
driveway
and
it's
compact
filled
with
compacted
rock
or
decomposed
granite.
So
it
doesn't
make
too
much
of
a
rumble
bump,
which
can
warned
us
about.
M
Not
so
much
pavers,
because
some
of
this
needs
to
be
structural
like
this,
this
walkway
is
partially
off
off
the
ground.
So
we
need
the
structural
characteristic
of
the
concrete
to
bridge
a
little
bit
and
we'd
like
to
kind
of
limit
the
amount
of
materials
we're
using,
for
instance,
inside
to
outside
and
just
keep
that
going,
but
handle
that
in
a
in
a
tasteful
manner
where
it
where
it
performs
differently
in
each
location.
So
what
do
you
wear?
I,
don't
quite
know
where
you're
going
yeah.
A
I
mean
I
such
a
amazing
structure,
and
you
know
the
formwork
that
shows
these
sort
of
linear
patterns
in
your
retaining
walls
and
then
I,
look
at
the
flat
where
a
concrete
that
comes
from
this
driveway
that
has
sort
of
these
earth
tone
patterns
and
concrete
and
exposed,
and
that
you
poor
and
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
he
stops.
And
then
he
goes
into
this
flat.
Concrete
I
understand.
M
M
Have
a
finish
to
make
it
a
little
less
urban,
which
sounds
like
your
concern
that
all
of
a
sudden,
this
very
sensitive
special
development
that
we
love
now
we're
stepping
off
the
walk
off
of
the
side
of
that
street,
with
its
brick
pavers
and
now
of
a
sudden.
We
have
the
worst
of
a
subdivision
with
this
concrete
walkway.
A
A
F
A
F
F
D
D
M
Think
that's
on
your
plan
this
this
one.
You
would
never
see
the
second
one.
I
pointed
out.
The
first
one
was
just
I
believe
two
condensers.
We
talked
about
off
the
carpet
yeah,
that's
just
under
development,
Shawn
right
now,
a
meeting
with
MEP-
and
you
know
we
were
waiting
for
approval.
So
we
can
push
on
we've
been
going
through
construction
documents
to
try
to
fast-track
a
little
bit,
but
we
are
not
done
yeah.
D
D
F
E
D
I
was
hoping
you
would
go
first
and
talk
about
the,
maybe
the
exposed,
aggregate,
concrete,
I
think
you
were
alluding
to
or
a
softening
up
or
we
naturalized
and
some
of
that
hardscape
in
the
front
yard.
Potentially
maybe
the
rears
are
something
like
that.
D
Also
I
think,
is
what
you
were
saying:
yeah,
also
I,
guess
if
we,
if
this
project-
and
maybe
it's
more
of
a
question
for
staff
for
you
Maria,
but
if
this
project
gets
recommended
for
approval
and
there
are
some
changes
or
developments
or
tweaks
or
enhancements
to
this
site
plan
and
mechanical
equipment
enclosure.
Is
that
something
that
staff
would
approve
with
conditions
now
or
is
something
we
would
see
again?
The.
K
The
issue
of
the
mechanical
equipment
for
the
condensing
units
is
required
to
be
screened,
so
we'll
review
that
at
the
time
that
the
revised
drawings
come
through
before
Planning
Commission
and
condition
it
accordingly.
The
pool
equipment,
as
he
mentioned,
is
in
an
area,
that's
underneath
the
actual
structure
of
the
house,
so
that
won't
be
visible
when
you're,
seeing
it
from
the
street
and.
D
D
It
appears
that
that's
the
attempt-
or
maybe
this
is
schematically
shown
and
trying
to
work
with
the
terrain
or
the
contours,
but
it
it
looks
like
really
clearly
defined
around
that
that
perimeter
of
the
site,
at
least
along
that
I,
believe
it's
the
southern
half
of
it
southeastern
be
nice
to
try
to
minimize
the
the
amount
of
fencing
required
or
used
in
a
way
where
it
could
just
be
done
a
bit
more.
Naturally,
like
we've
been
able
to
do
it
a
couple
other
places
up
and
around
that
area,
more
boulders
and
less
built
material.
D
K
A
K
I,
don't
think
so
as
I
understand
the
design
and
Babur
somewhat.
If
you
want
to
come
up
and
clarify
more
the
the
lines
that
you
see
on
the
site
plan
and
I'll
jump
over
and
move
this
up
further,
so
you
can
see
it
is
where
they're
proposing
to
place
the
fence
or
the
pool
barrier.
Let
me
just
run
over
there
to
the
podium
or
Bob.
Do
you
know
how
to
make
that
thing?
Zoom
back
out
or
you
want
me
to
jump
over
and
do
it
a.
L
L
We
don't
want
this
fence
to
be
out
by
the
property
line
to
be
mistaken
as
the
property
line.
That's
that's
not
the
idea
and
if
we
can
use
boulders
instead
of
the
vertical
members
and
still
get
approval
by
the
you
know
the
appropriate
authorities
with
the
ordinance.
We
would
do
that
to
your
comments,
aligned
with
our
concerns
there.
So.
L
Yeah
I
mean
this:
is
this
is
way
too
rectangular
for
what
we
envision?
What
we
didn't
want
was
what
we've
seen
up
there,
which
is
an
afterthought
with
a
pool
fence
around,
was
otherwise
a
great
pool
arrangement.
We
just
were
trying
to
come
up
with
a
creative
way
to
avoid
that,
so
we
could
work
with
staff
on
our
landscape
plan
and
maybe
we'd
actually
need
to
do
some
more
field
work
where
we
can
actually
locate
where
that
would
be,
but
we're
in
to
be
much
more
organic
than
this
kind
of
a
look
right
here.
So.
I
L
That's
your
concern
all
right,
good.
In
fact,
we'd
also
like
to
even
consider
maybe
some
panels
instead
of
just
vertical
members
mm-hmm,
because
there's
places
where
you
won't
even
see
it
you'll
be
on
the
pool
debt
you'll
look
down
and
because
it
drops
off
so
much
you'll
barely
see
the
the
fencing,
but
it's
required
by
law.
Yeah
thanks.
F
D
H
A
H
A
H
H
H
Can
even
see
it
here
on
the
landscape
plan
and
in
the
third
comment
was
I
appreciate
the
minimalism
in
the
landscape
design,
but
I
think
there
could
be
some
additional
tree
forms
I.
It's
tough
with
these
developments,
it's
so
beautiful
and
open,
and
you
want
to
keep
it,
but
as
one
home
goes
in
and
the
next
home
goes
in,
I
think
there's
going
to
be
some
desire
to
have
some
filters
views
of
the
homes
in
particularly
on
this
I
thought
and
I'll.
Probably
answer
my
own
question.
H
It's
kind
of
the
northwest
corner,
there's
like
a
corner
glass.
It
probably
has
a
view
up
into
the
canyon
or
something,
but
it
just
feels
like
it
needs
some
type
of
open
or
lacy
type
tree
over.
You
know
and
it
could
be
set
where
it
doesn't
impair
the
view
but
kind
of
anchor
that
so
it
would
be
the
northwest
side.
H
F
H
I
H
C
I
questioned
the
reality
of
putting
the
pool
equipment
and
the
mechanical
equipment
under
the
bedroom,
because
I
know
in
the
AC
condensers
there's
gonna
be
blowback
if
the
roof
is
just
took
three
or
four
feet
above
the
unit
and
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna
physically
work
and
from
the
pool
equipment,
you're
gonna
have
flus
and
vents
I
think
in
reality,
it
probably
will,
as
time
comes
together,
end
up
in
a
walled
service
yard
on
the
side.
There's
plenty
of
space
to
do
it.
I
just
think,
I'd
like
to
see
it
if
they're
gonna.
A
A
There's
the
issue
about
the
additional
tree
on
the
west,
northwest
corner
that
probably
got
dropped
out
and
needs
to
be
included
back
in
and
I
feel
like
I'm,
not,
and
then
the
pool,
fencing
but
I
do
I.
Think
we're
all
in
unanimous
to
feel
that
you
have
done
a
spectacular
job.
All
these
four
issues
that
we're
gonna
whip
that
we
put
in
the
conditions,
you're
gonna,
do
another
spectacular
job
and
placing
it
right
that
you're
not
going
to
just
put
it
on
top
of
the
roof
and
then
we're
all
going
to
be
disappointed.
A
F
C
D
D
K
K
C
D
Tell
you
were
you
gonna
say
something:
you
go
ahead:
I'm
gonna
say
that
there's
a
it's
a
building
and
Life
Safety
Code
and
that's
a
five
foot
high
and
non-climate
ball
and
there's
yeah
I
mean
with
certain
projects.
We've
really
tried
to
beg
and
plead
and
twist
their
building
departments
arm
into
believing
that
a
five
or
six
foot
high
Boulder
wall
is
NaN
climb
a
bowline.
Sometimes
we
get
away
with
it,
and
sometimes
we
don't.
A
B
Back
to
the
question
of
remember
Jack,
where
I
think
we
might
need
to
go
back
to
building
official
to
have
an
opinion
on
that,
because
it
is
a
state
law
to
have
fencing
around
the
pool.
And
your
question
is
more
relative
to
the
cheerio
right.
You
mentioned
using
boulders
as
if
it's
an
acceptable
form
of
fencing
around
the
pool
found
correct.
Yes,.
C
And
on
the
previous
home
that
we
saw
a
couple
sessions
ago,
they
were
talking
about
using
natural
boulders
sent
away
from
the
pool
as
their
fencing
and
I
think
we're
gonna
get
that
proposal
on
many
of
the
projects
in
this
development.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
something
we
can
accept
so
that
we
aren't
fooled
or
surprised
later
on
when
they
come
and
say
whoops,
we
have
to
build
a
concrete
block
wall.
Okay,.
A
Know
I
think
to
add
to
the
concern:
is
that
because
the
boulders
are
more
organic
and
more
in
keeping
with
the
site,
we
are
more
open
to
accept
that
and
then
what
happens
is
that
the
inspector
from
the
Health
Department
comes
out
and
says
this
is
not
acceptable.
And
then
we
see
this
metal
tubular
fence
around
these
four
five
six,
eight
million
dollar
homes
to
just
satisfy
that
correction
and
that's
when
the
whole
aesthetic
just
so.
A
We
that's
why
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
the
director
of
the
building
department
be
able
to
make
a
more
informative
decision
of
what
he
could
accept
or
not
and
and
he
plays
in
on
many
different
ways,
because
you
can
have
the
site
that
drops
drastically
and
then
the
fence
is
like
fifty
feet
away
and
then
they
will
count
that
to
be
the
fence.
So
there's
many
different
factors
affecting
this,
but
the
aesthetics
is
really
what
is
going
to
govern
for
us
a.
B
K
K
Wasn't
a
standard
in
terms
of
quantity,
what
they,
what
the
guidelines
did
is
find
plant
material
that
was
generally
indigenous
to
the
Chino
Cone
alluvial
fan,
or
that
which
would
be
considered
normal,
that
you
would
find
in
that
kind
of
an
area,
but
they
didn't
set
forth
any
kind
of
a
quantifiable
landscape
plan.
It
was
really
one
of
making
sure
that
there
were
the
when
you
looked
up
across
the
alluvial
fan.
K
H
But
I
think
chairman
song,
cherubims
song,
brought
up
a
good
point
as
these
homes
start
to
go
in,
there's
gonna
be
some
desire
for
some
screening
or
filtering
the
views
and,
and
you
know,
having
the
homes
being
kind
of
nestled
in
and
it
could
be.
You
know
natural
trees
or
a
lot
of
the
desert.
Trees,
desert
willows
lose
their
leaves
most.
H
I
I
I
Exactly
that's
that's
the
presentation.
The
other
question
I
had
was
at
the
last
meeting.
I
had
asked
Flynn
if
he
knew
anything
about
the
welcome
to
Palm
Springs
sign
on
North
Indian
Canyon
that
disappeared
and
I
went
back
up
afterwards
to
make
sure
I
wasn't
imagining
things
and
the
sign
is
indeed
gone
and
replaced
by
one
of
the
center
island
signs,
the
new
ones,
but
you
that
you
encounter
that
first
as
you
come
into
town,
so
you
might
not
notice
it.