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From YouTube: HSPB Meeting | November 2nd 2021
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City of Palm Springs Historic Site Preservation Board Meeting, held November 2nd, 2021
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B
There
will
be
three
minutes,
a
sign
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing,
so
anyone
who
has
joined
us
today
who
wishes
to
speak
on
any
item
that
is
not
a
public
hearing.
This
includes
item
4a,
the
bogert
sculpture
at
city
hall.
Now
is
the
time
to
speak.
B
C
Madam
chair,
there
are
people
in
the
in
the
room
today
who
do
wish
to
speak
on
this
item.
There
are
at
least
one
there's
at
least
one
individual
who
is
participating
with
us
today
by
phone.
So
as
we
were
discussing,
if
you
are
able
to
those
of
you
who
do
have
cameras
or
here
are
participating
via
video,
you
can
raise
your
hand
and
there's
also
a
raise
your
hand
feature
here
in
zoom,
under
the
header
of
reactions.
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F
F
It
is
not
just
bricks
and
mortar,
it
is
the
core
of
the
city's
political
culture
and
frank
bogart
was
one
of
the
most
well-known
accomplished
and
respected
figures
in
the
history
of
the
city.
The
city
council
in
2012
could
have
specifically
removed
the
statue
from
the
historic
designation
as
it
did
with
landscape.
F
F
The
consideration
of
possible
removal
of
the
statue
would
be
accompanied
by
an
historic
resource
assessment
prepared
by
a
qualified,
historic
and
art
resource
consultant
and
historic
resort
assessment.
Is
the
appropriate
supporting
documentation
required
to
consider
the
statue,
the
artist,
this
historic
content,
frank
bogart's,
many
contributions
to
the
city,
the
history
of
the
city
and
other
issues
before
any
decision
on
the
merit
of
the
statue
can
be
made
and
before
any
action
to
remove
or
relocate
the
statue?
F
F
F
F
The
very
existence
of
the
hspb
is
to
protect
the
essential
truth
of
history
from
being
revised
by
people
who
don't
care
about
the
truth,
and
the
revisionists
have
always
been
around
to
try
to
control
the
development
of
the
future.
By
lying
about
the
past,
the
hspb
was
created
to
stop
that
from
happening.
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F
F
Those
of
us
who
are
committed
to
the
preservation
of
the
truth
request
that
this
board
do
its
job
and
stop
this
madness.
That's
why
you
exist
to
do
otherwise
would
mean
your
service.
Here
is
simply
a
waste
of
time.
People
still
have
the
right
to
change
their
minds,
but
they
don't
have
the
right
to
change
history.
C
G
In
1965,
my
husband
joined
palm
springs,
rotary
club
and
he
met
frank
voger
and
his
lovely
friend,
wonderful
rabbi,
joe
horowitz
bob
will
come
home.
Often
telling
me
of
the
joking
that
went
on
in
rotary
between
clarence
dolphin
one
of
the
black
members
and
frank
bobert.
They
were
always
kidding
each
other.
Who
said
that
frank
voger
was
a
racist.
When
I
was
on
the
human
relations
commission,
it
was
my
job
to
investigate
discrimination,
complaints
and
frank
always
supported
my
part.
G
In
those
cases
1976,
I
served
as
president
temple
that
was
nino's
an
auxiliary
enabling
pediatric
wing
and
temple
of
the
los
nios
tower
at
desert
regional
medical
center.
We
were
hosting
an
annual
happily
luncheon
about
500
guests,
frank
was
the
master
ceremony.
He
played
a
joke
on
me
by
telling
the
audience
that
he
adopted
me
from
china
as
a
small
girl
and
brought
me
to
united
states.
He
taught
me
how
to
speak
english.
He
said
that
he
was
so
proud
of
me
having
graduated
from
ucla
with
honors.
G
That
start
what
started
to
be
a
joke
left
to
a
wonderful
friendship
of
over
40
years.
He
started
calling
me
later.
I
served
seven
years
in
the
planning
commission.
He
also
had
time
to
listen
to
my
concerns.
He
always
was
a
cowboy
historian.
In
those
days
palm
springs
had
rodeo
in
the
middle
of
our
town.
He
was
responsible
for
so
many
of
the
successes
in
our
city.
Over
a
year
ago,
I
started
hearing
gossip
regarding
frank
one,
woman
told
a
large
group
of
rotarian.
That
frank
was
against
women.
G
He
left
rotary
when
he
was
first
women
joined
rotary.
That
was
an
outright
lie.
I
did
not
embarrass
her
by
correcting
her,
since
we
were
in
the
middle
of
a
zoom
function.
The
first
woman
member
at
palm
springs.
Rotary
club
was
margie
taff,
a
well-known
realtor
in
palm
springs.
She
and
frank
were
the
best
of
friends.
Frank
was
very
fond
of
her
son
and
they
were
dinner
guests
at
the
broker
home.
Often
I
called
that
woman
that
told
the
lie
and
asked
her.
Where
did
you
hear
this?
She
said
she
couldn't
remember.
G
It
seems
like
gossip.
The
base
of
the
accusations
all
over
papacito
through
the
1990s
palm
springs,
had
a
difficult
time
for
our
building
industry.
Proposito
frank
involved:
building
the
avi
casino
in
laughlin.
My
patients
informed
me
that
he
was
responsible
for
keeping
them
in
their
homes
and
putting
the
good
food
on
their
tables.
No
one
ever
thanked
him
for
that.
G
These
are
some
of
my
memories
of
papacito.
When
I
was
ignored
in
bullets
and
sacks
and
sat
by
the
dirty
dishes
and
better
restaurants,
he
and
his
family
welcomed
me
with
him
encouragement
and
respect,
and
I
truly
say
that
what's
been
spread
about,
papacito
are
just
false
and
not
true.
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
F
F
The
staff
report
is
deficient.
It
completely
ignores
the
historic
accomplishments
of
frank
bogart,
the
city's
long-established
western
culture,
historic
context
of
frank
bogart,
and
why
the
statue
was
placed
at
city
hall.
Many
of
the
early
settlers,
including
frank,
were
deeply
rooted
in
western
culture.
Palm
springs
at
one
time,
had
more
than
20
stables
and
writing
facilities,
frank
bogart's,
accomplishments,
spanned
75
years,
and
include
involvement
with
the
el
mirador
hodel
racquet
club,
thunderbird
country
club,
chamber
of
commerce,
community
events
palm
springs,
historical
society,
close
compadres
and
many
other
institutions
in
the
coachella
valley
too.
F
F
His
contributions
to
the
city
of
palm
springs
is
are
unrivaled
and
for
that
work
he
was
honored
by
a
statue
in
france,
section
8.05.01
psnc
clearly
states
that
class
one
criteria
shall
include
resources
that
are
associated
the
lives
of
persons
who
made
meaningful
contributions
to
local
history
and
resources
that
exemplifies
a
particular
period
of
history.
The
bogert
statue
qualifies
in
this
regard.
Please
don't
try
to
erase
our
history
and
leave
the
statue
as
it
is.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening.
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A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
ken
good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
hsb.
I
worked
for
the
city
for
26,
proud
years.
I
managed
planning
and
helped
start
the
historic
preservation
program.
During
my
time.
Friends
of
frank
bogart
have
submitted
extensive
comments.
You
have
300
letters
that
have
been
submitted
to
you
that
support
the
statute.
A
A
You
need
an
historic
site
assessment
to
evaluate
what
you're
doing
tonight
and
what
you're
being
asked
to
consider,
but
first
I'd
like
to
address
the
decision-making
process.
The
hspb
has
been
asked
to
consider
tonight.
In
essence,
you've
been
asked
to
make
a
pre-ordained
decision
on
a
matter.
The
city
council
has
decided,
while
ignoring
its
own
ordinances
in
state
law.
A
A
The
resolution
adopted
in
2002
included
all
ancillary
structures.
The
only
improvements
that
were
excluded
were
the
plants
at
city
hall.
The
proposed
categorical
exemption
flies
in
the
face
of
the
city
ordinances
in
state
law.
Clearly,
the
removal
of
a
significant
historic
resource
from
a
class
one
historic
site
does
not
meet
the
definition
recommended
it's
a
far
cry
from
maintenance,
repair,
restoration
or
rehabilitation,
no
matter
how
the
staff
tries
to
turn
it
to
support
what
the
city
council
wants
you
to
do,
removal
is
removal
and
a
class
31
exemption
does
not
apply.
A
A
C
C
Thank
you,
sorry
for
the
oh,
that's
not
gonna
work
I'll
use
my
flashlight
thanks
very
much
for
the
time
I'm
norm,
king,
I
was
city
manager
when
frank
booger
was
mayor
of
palm
springs
in
the
1980s
aside
from
his
immediate
family
for
six
years,
I
spent
more
time
with
frank:
our
offices
were
adjacent
and
the
door
was
always
open
than
anyone
else.
I
came
to
know
frank
as
one
of
the
most
open
and
exclusive
inclusive
individuals.
I've
ever
known.
He
was
also
an
incredible
character.
He
was
most
definitely
not
a
bigot
or
a
racist.
C
Your
role
as
a
board
is
historic
site
preservation,
as
the
friends
of
boger
have
documented
in
our
attachments
to
your
agenda.
The
frank
bogard
statue
is
a
part
of
a
is
part
of
a
class
1
city
hall
designation
site.
Removing
the
statue
from
class
1
designation
is
not
a
procedural
issue,
that's
portrayed
on
tonight's
agenda
by
the
staff
and
would
require
other
actions
and
findings
by
the
board.
C
C
All
of
which
urge
section
14
removals,
have
they
not
done
this?
The
city
would
not
have
been
involved
period.
The
bogert
statue
is
unquestionably
of
a
significant
historical
artistic
interest
and
value.
The
preservation
board
will
be
delinquent
in
its
mission.
If
you
do
not
protect
this
important
part
of
palm
springs.
C
History
approving
the
removal
of
the
statue
without
ensuring
that
it
will
be
relocated
to
a
state,
safe,
prominent
and
acceptable
location
would
be
contrary
to
the
mission
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board
and
lead
you
to
construction
rather
than
the
preservation
of
the
history
upon
spring.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you,
mr
king
mark
temple.
Are
you
here
to
speak
on
this
item?
If
so,
please
unmute,
you
have
three
minutes.
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F
F
C
F
My
name
is
david
christian.
I've
been
an
architect
and
resident
of
palm
springs
for
over
50
years,
and
during
that
time,
I've
naturally
been
involved
with
more
than
a
few
of
the
palm
springs
class,
one
historic
site.
So
I
know
the
seriousness
of
what
the
hspb
fulfills
the
seriousness
with
which
the
hsbb
fulfills
the
role
of
protecting
these
important
sites
that
reflect
the
remarkable
history
of
our
unique
hometown.
F
Palm
springs
has
always
been
a
very
special
place,
with
a
rich
and
fascinating
tale
to
tell
the
long-term
residents
have
great
pride
in
their
town
and
love
to
pass
that
history
on
the
visitors,
so
they
may
know
how
this
place
came
to
be,
and
part
of
that
story
is
certainly
represented
by
the
class
one
sites
that
have
been
preserved
through
the
efforts
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board.
So
in
my
eyes,
the
role
of
the
hspb
should
not
be
compromised
by
attempts
to
change
our
known
history
and
further.
The
hspb.
F
C
F
Okay-
well
I'm
sorry
this
caught
me
off
guard.
I
wasn't
preparing
anything,
but
my
husband-
and
I
moved
here
about
nine
years
ago-
started
out
snowbirding
and
have
now
bought
in
a
place
here
in
palm
desert,
and
I
have
ridden
with
the
desert.
I
ride
with
the
desert
riders.
I'm
a
member
and
part
of
the
interest
in
living
here
was
the
unique
history
that
frank
bogart
was
a
part
of.
I
mean
there
was
so
much
history
that
he
was
involved
with
just
building
this
city
up.
F
C
A
A
C
C
C
F
He
helped
develop
the
airport,
the
convention
center.
He
worked
on
the
tram,
the
tramway
project
and
he
has
initiated
equestrian
and
hiking
trails
throughout
the
city.
There's
so
many
things
that
he
did
over
a
period
of
75
years
of
service
and
it's
only
fair
and
he
and
it's
only
just
to
simply
leave
the
memorial,
the
bogert
memorial,
where
it
is,
and
I
appreciate
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
C
A
F
F
C
A
B
D
D
B
B
B
C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report,
this
particular
application
was
submitted
by
the
homeowners
joseph
mantello
and
paul
marlow.
The
report
was
prepared
by
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation
by
stephen
kayla.
As
noted
on
page
two,
the
well,
the
wechsler
dwelling
was
designed
in
1954
by
master
architect,
donald
wexler
as
his
family
home.
It's
a
noteworthy
example
of
the
early
architectural
work
of
wechsler,
reflecting
the
mid
20th
century
period
of
architectural
development
in
palm
springs.
C
The
property
has
been
evaluated
against
the
criteria
for
a
historic
designation,
beginning
on
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
and
it
is
noted
on
the
top
of
page
four,
that
the
criterion
two
criterion,
three
criterion,
four
criterion:
five
are
the
items
under
which
this
particular
property
possesses
historic
significance.
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
all
of
the
detail
at
this
time
because
of
the
length
of
our
meeting
tonight,
but
I
also
want
to
further
discuss
beginning
on
page
five
of
your
staff
report.
C
As
noted
in
the
historic
resources
report,
the
building
had
been
originally
designed
by
mr
wexler
and
then
had
an
addition
made
onto
the
home.
I
believe
it
was
in
1968
as
his
family
grew
and
needed
more
space
to
accommodate
the
family's
needs
on
page
seven
is
an
identification
from
the
report
of
the
defining
historic
characteristics
of
the
report
and
then
below
that
are
the
non-contributing
elements.
C
The
open
carport,
the
mature
palms
aleppo
pines
aluminum
can
lights.
The
1968
bedroom
wing
edition
are
all
character,
defining
features
of
this
home.
So
at
this
time,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
board
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
class
one
historic
designation
of
this
property.
Madam
chair,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
Item
and
staff
is
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
B
C
B
F
D
F
But
I
don't
really
have
a
lot
to
offer
the
the
owners
couldn't
be
here
tonight,
but
they
wanted
to.
Let
me
to
extend
that
they
really
support
this
enthusiastically
so
other
than
the
report
and
then
what
mr
lyon
has
already
offered.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
other
information.
You
know
it.
It's
always
interesting
to
see
what
what
an
architect
does
for
his
own
home-
and
this
is
a
great
example
with
you
know-
superior
integrity
in
a
beautiful
house.
So
I'm
really
just
here
to
answer
questions.
If
you
do
have
any.
B
B
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
really
appreciate
mr
keylon's
report.
I've
always
I've
been
fortunate
to
visit
this
house
several
times
over
the
last
decade
or
so,
and
it's
it's
always
one
of
my
favorites
in
town,
the
the
it's
so
simple,
yet
mr
wexler
was
able
to
add
on
as
needed
when
his
family
expanded.
So
I
think
it
really
documents
the
early
part
of
his
career
and
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
this
application.
Thank
you
very
good.
D
B
B
E
B
E
B
E
B
B
B
E
E
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
brief
statement
before
mr
lyon
gets
to
the
substance
of
his
staff
report.
We've
heard
from
a
number
of
speakers
this
evening
and
emotions
are
strong
regarding
mayor
bogart
these
days.
That
said,
I
would
like
to
advise
the
board
this
evening
that
you
are
deciding
and
only
deciding
whether
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
removal
of
the
mayor,
bogart
statute
from
the
city
hall
site.
You
are
not
making
a
decision
about
mayor,
bogart,
the
person
or
any
of
his
actions.
E
Pursuant
to
the
municipal
code,
you
must
make
certain
conformity
findings
to
issue
the
certificate,
as
outlined
on
pages
six
through
eight
of
the
staff
report,
and
I'm
sure
mr
line
will
get
into
more
of
that
as
he
up
presents.
If
you
determine
that
you
can
make
these
findings,
you
may
issue
the
certificate.
E
The
staff
report
recommends
issuance
of
the
certificate
and
contains
facts
and
draft
findings
to
that
end.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
determine
you
cannot
make
these
findings,
then
you
do
not
issue
the
certificate.
That's
all
I
had
to
say
this
evening,
madam
chair
I'll,
yield
the
rest
of
my
time.
Back
to
mr
lyon.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report,
the
city
council
has
determined
that
it
wishes
to
proceed
with
the
process
required
to
remove
the
statue
of
frank
bogart
that
is
in
front
of
city
hall.
City
hall
is
designated
a
class
one
landmark
historic
site
on
october,
2nd
1996.,
although
the
statue
which
was
installed
in
1989,
is
not
a
part
of
the
defrost
pardon,
not
a
part
of
the
defining
historic
characteristics
of
the
site.
C
The
building's
volume
and
massing
reflect
the
modernist
tenet
form
follows
function
in
which
the
various
elements
of
the
council
chamber,
for
example,
the
council
chamber,
are
distinctly
different
from
the
administrative
offices
reflecting
the
different
functional
uses
within
those
spaces
in
2012.
The
council
amended
the
historic
designation
to
include
the
open
space
surrounding
the
building
as
a
character
defining
feature
noting
the
historic
designation
is
hereby
amended
to
include
the
structures,
features
and
land
in
that
portion
of
the
apn
and
bounded
by
the
north
edge
of
the
north
parking
lot.
C
The
curb
edges
along
civic
drive,
chocolates,
canyon
way
and
lcl
road,
accepting
the
landscape
and
plants
they're
in,
as
we
noted
in
the
staff
report.
While
the
original
and
designating
resolutions
do
not
mention
the
period
of
significance,
staff
would
assert.
The
period
of
significance
is
represented
by
the
post-world
war
ii
period
1945
to
1969,
as
defined
in
the
city-wide
historic
resource
context.
Context
statement.
C
The
raised
plinths
upon
which
the
building
is
set.
The
concrete
excuse
me
the
covered
entry
area
with
the
rectilinear
roof,
with
the
round
opening,
clad
and
corrugated
metal
and
fiberglass
in
the
aqua
blue
ceiling
plane
and
the
open
space
surrounding
the
building,
as
defined
above
the
non-defining
character.
Elements
are
the
landscape,
the
parking
lots,
the
72
and
84
editions.
C
On
page,
four
of
your
staff
report
are
some
historic
images.
They
were
accredited
by
julius
schulman,
which
show
what
the
building
looked
like
from
its
frontage
views
during
its
period
of
significance
in
the
1950s
and
60s
and
then
also
on
page
five
is
an
image
which
shows
the
statue
under
consideration
and
its
location
relative
to
the
front
open
space
of
city
hall.
B
C
Okay,
great,
so
this
first
slide
is
an
image
of
the
palm
springs
city
hall.
The
historic
significance
is
based
on
it's
a
notable
example
of
civic
architecture
from
the
mid
20th
century
period,
designed
by
notable
architects,
clark,
frank
chambers,
period
of
significance.
As
I
mentioned,
1945
to
1969.
C
designated
by
city
council
in
96,
expanded
in
2012.
There
is
the
character
defining
features
which
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
historic
designation
in
2012,
as
I
mentioned,
expanded
the
character
to
defining
features
to
include
the
site.
Modifications
to
the
landscape
was
exempted
and
it
clarified
that
the
open
space
was
character.
Defining
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
is
what
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
next,
and
these
are
the
findings
that
you
need
to
make
in
order
to
make
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
C
C
On
page
six
of
your
staff
report,
we
have
provided
some
obsessed
analysis
of
the
property
and
the
action
for
you.
We've
noted
that
the
excuse
me
I've
mentioned
already
the
materials
that
make
up
the
city
hall
and
the
open
space
and
the
bogut
statue
which
is
located
in
it.
There
is
no
mention
of
the
beau
bridge
statue
in
the
analysis
of
the
site
that
was
conducted
in
the
2012.
Excuse
me,
2012,
amended,
designation.
C
The
statute
was
installed
in
1989,
and
thus
it
does
not
reflect
the
period
of
significance
of
the
building
and
there's
no
historic
association
with
the
building's
architecture
or
the
architects
credited
with
its
design.
Therefore,
staff
believes
that
it
can
be
reasonably
concluded
that
the
statute
is
not
a
character
dividing
feature
of
city
hall,
nor
does
it
contribute
to
its
historic
significance.
C
On
page
seven
of
your
staff
report,
we
have
provided
analysis
of
this
question
under
criterion.
Two,
noting
that
the
open
space
in
front
of
city
hall
was
originally
designed
with
landscapes,
turf
brown
cover
and
two
parking
lots.
The
bogart
statue
is
located
in
this
landscaped
quote-unquote
front
yard.
C
The
removal
of
the
statue
will
restore
the
open
space
in
front
of
city
hall
to
its
original,
open
condition.
Removal
of
the
statue.
Thank
you.
Removal
of
the
statue
will
restore
the
site
more
closely
to
remember,
resemble
the
site's
condition
during
its
period
of
significance
and,
finally,
the
removal
will
result
in
a
more
unobstructed
view
of
the
front
facade
of
city
hall,
I'd
like
to
provide,
as
in
your
staff
report
on
page
seven
discussion
about
the
significance
of
views
in
the
2012
staff
report.
C
The
report
notes
that
monuments,
statues
and
other
decorative
elements
and
trees
were
placed
in
excuse
me
were
placed
in
front
of
the
low
rise
buildings.
These
created
a
more
complicated
setting,
indeed,
these
alterations
that
were
made
prior
to
the
historic
designation
of
the
site,
complicated
and
impaired
the
unobstructed
view
of
city
hall,
as
viewed
from
the
public
street.
The
report
goes
on
to
conclude
that
the
accumulation
of
these
objects
demonstrated
that
more
than
views
of
the
building
were
important
to
the
community.
C
This
may
have
been
the
general
community
sentiment
prior
to
the
historic
designation.
However,
the
initiative
that
started
in
2010
to
designate
the
entire
site
as
historically
significant
arose
from
proposed
alterations
that
would
have
added
rows
of
parked
cars
across
the
front
of
city
hall,
therefore,
thereby
obscuring
further
the
clear
views
of
the
building
from
the
street.
C
It
was
the
threat
of
further
obscuring
these
open
views
of
the
front
of
city
hall
that
prompted
the
city
council
to
expand
and
clarify
that
the
significance
of
the
site
from
a
historic
perspective
lay
not
only
in
the
building
itself,
but
also
in
the
open
space
around
it
that
allowed
uninterrupted
views
of
the
city
hall
from
the
public
street.
Thus
removal
of
the
statue
will
substantially
aid
in
enhancing
the
site
as
a
historic
resource
and
therefore
criterion.
C
C
Therefore,
staff
believes
this
finding
can
also
be
affirmatively
met
and,
lastly,
that,
in
cases
of
federal
funds
being
utilized
in
financing
and
proposed
alterations,
if
the
alterations
are
consistent
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties
and
as
noted
on
page
eight,
there
are
no
federal
funds
involved
in
the
proposed
project.
Therefore,
this
finding
is
not
applicable.
C
Staff
is
therefore
recommending
approval
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
possible
removal
of
the
bogart
statute.
Our
sequel
analysis
is
continued
on
pages
nine
and
ten,
and
I
will
conclude
by
stating,
as
we
said
before,
that
the
statue
is
not
a
character
defining
feature
of
the
building
or
the
site.
It
does
not
represent
or
reflect
the
period
of
significance
when
the
city
hall
was
designated
and
built.
The
statue
itself
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
a
historic
resource
in
the
city's
historic
resource
ordinance.
C
B
B
So
my
question
being:
do
we
need
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
the
artwork
and
the
moral
rights
of
the
artist
and
then
my
second
question
I'll
be
brief?
Is
I
understand
that
the
artwork
was
a
session
into
the
the
city
of
palm
springs,
public
art
collection
and-
and
I
certainly
understand
that
the
public
art
commission
is
authorized
to
relocate
artworks
in
the
collection
and
reinterpret
them?
B
I
know
that
they
can
do
that,
but
I
also
understand
that
the
artwork
was
donated
to
the
city
by
private
individuals.
It
was
donated
to
the
city
in
public
trust,
so
this
is
an
ethical
question
I
have
so.
Regarding
ethics,
I
believe
it
is
vitally
important
to
protect
artistic
property
and
ensure
public
access.
B
E
E
In
addition,
as
you
noted,
I'm
adam
chair,
vara
does
not
provide
for
any
rights
of
location
in
a
particular
place
in
the
city
and
again,
our
reading
of
the
law
is
that
it
does
provide
or
does
allow
for
careful
removal
and
storage
of
the
statue
as
for
it
being
donated
in
public
trust
and
how
the
statue
might
ultimately
be.
You
know
used
in
the
future.
I
can't
speak
to
that
staff
may
have
some
information
on
that.
B
D
Yeah,
it's
just
a
disclosure
and
a
comment.
Firstly,
the
disclosure
for
the
record
that
my
mother
knew
frank
bogart
and
worked
with
the
palm
springs
historical
society
to
design
a
second
edition
of
his
book,
at
which
time
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
meet
him
and
he
was
extremely
gregarious
and
down
to
earth.
D
F
B
E
E
I
have
been
incredibly
complimentary
of
the
staff
and
continue
to
be.
I
think
ken
does
an
amazing
job.
The
staff
is
brilliant,
but
honestly,
this
report
feels
like
a
decision
in
search
of
reasoning
instead
of
the
other
way
I
feel
like
it
is
not
a
reasoned
proposal
by
the
staff
it
feels
like
there
was
already
a
decision
made
and
they've
asked
the
staff
to
come
up
with
a
decision
a
basis
for
it.
Like
the
statute
really
blocks
the
view
I
mean
come
on.
E
Look
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
develop
the
record
more
and
you
know
possible
to
you
know,
evaluate
whether
we
can
issue
a
certificate
without
a
complete
record.
I
think
that
there's
been
some
great
points
brought
up
that
maybe
it's
the
art
commission's
responsibility,
but
we
certainly
need
the
staff
to
prepare
a
historic
resource
assessment
and,
if
necessary,
an
environmental
impact
report,
but
the
record
is
completely
incomplete
as
far
as
I'm
concerned-
and
I
I
I
move
that
we
direct
the
staff
to
have
a
more
complete
record
before
we
vote
on
this.
E
F
A
A
The
fact
that
the
historic
preservation
board
is
getting
this
is
simply
a
sequence
of
requirements
that
needs
to
effectuate
the
potential
removal
of
the
statue.
We
do
know,
of
course,
what
the
city
council
has
done,
but
that's
why
this
is
in
front
of
us.
The
action
tonight
by
the
historic
board
is
not
the
end
all,
and
it
still
would
need
to
go
to
the
arts.
Commission,
it's
just
one
cog
in
a
number
of
issues
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
if
the
statue
is
going
to
be
removed.
A
E
I
appreciate
what
mr
miller
said
and,
and
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
I
did
make
a
motion-
that
we
get
a
more
complete
record.
I
I
I
as
a
board
member-
and
it
sounds
like
mr
rosa
now
as
well-
would
feel
more
comfortable
about
having
a
more
complete
record,
having
a
real
historic
resource
assessment
done,
and
you
know
I
I
don't.
I
don't
see
how
more
information
for
to
help
us
make
a
decision
would
hurt
at
all.
So
I've
made
a
motion
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
second.
F
A
E
B
B
B
You
know
the
sculpture
was
not
omitted,
as
landscaping
was
omitted,
so
so
that
bothers
me
and
and
the
the
sculpture
was
placed
in
the
open
space
leaving
you
know,
surrounding
open
space
in
front
of
the
city
hall
and
and
the
sculpture
is
an
addition
within
the
open
space,
but
it
can
be
it's
it's
distinguished
from
the
building.
It's
it's
very
separate.
There
is
plenty
of
open
space
around
that
surrounds
it.
There
it's
wide
open
so
because
this
was
designated
in
2012.
C
C
Also.
I
would
also
make
note
of
the
question
before
you
is
again
not
around
the
significance
of
the
statute,
the
importance
of
the
statue
or
its
artistic
value,
but
rather
does
its
removal
just
materially
impair
the
historic
resource
with
it,
which
is
city
hall
and
the
city
hall
site.
The
question
is:
does
this
removal
materially
impair
the
historic
resource
which
is
city
hall
and
its
site,
and
that's
where
staff
made
the
assertion
that
removing
it
does
not
materially
impair
the
historic
resource?
E
E
D
D
It
feels
like
to
me
that
the
period
of
significance
of
city
hall
as
historic
resource
should
be
ongoing
in
terms
of
cultural
and
socioeconomic
significance.
Yes,
you're,
like
a
statue
that
is
honoring,
a
historic
figure
who
was
part
of
city
hall
and
part
of
the
history
of
pump,
things
should
be
evaluated
as
part
of
the
significant
period.
D
So
I
guess
there's
some
question
about
the
period
of
significance
and
because
it's
a
city
hall
where
work
is
conducted
daily
to
further
the
interests
of
the
city
to
further.
You
know,
planning
and
historic
sites,
and
you
know
human
rights
and
everything
that
why
does
the
period
of
significance
have
to
be
just
this
period?
That's
architectural
because
there's
so
much
more
to
historical
preservation
than
just
the
pure
significance
of
the
building
and
the
architect
and
I'll.
Just
leave
it
at
that.
E
A
D
E
E
B
B
B
B
D
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
nelson.
So
we're
proceeding
to
new
business
agenda
item
4b,
a
review
for
a
potential
redesignation
of
a
class
4
site
to
a
class,
1
or
2
historic
resource
initiated
by
an
application
by
mark
w
daniels
who,
on
behalf
of
the
owner,
requesting
approval
to
demolish
the
dwelling
located
at
217
east
okatia
avenue.
C
C
So,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
the
property
owner
is
requesting
approval
to
demolish
a
single-family
dwelling
built
in
1937
by
virtue
of
its
date.
It
is
a
class
4,
historic
site
and,
pursuant
to
your
historic
preservation,
ordinance
requires
action
by
the
board,
either
to
take
action
to
stay
the
demolition
and
initiate
proceedings
to
seek
designation
of
a
class,
1
or
class
2
site
or
take
no
action
and
allow
the
demolition
to
proceed.
C
C
C
C
Looking
at
it
relative
to
construction,
we
identified
that
it
is
a
conventional
frame
and
stucco
dwelling
with
a
clay
tile
roof.
There
are
not
any
factors
about
it
that
we
could
identify
that
were
particularly
distinctive
or
noteworthy.
That
would
cause
it
to
be
eligible
under
this
criteria,
the
other
the
next
one
is
well,
whether
or
not
it
possesses
historic
and
historic
significance.
C
Chamberlain
came
to
palm
springs
in
the
1920s
and
is
recognized
as
having
been
the
builder
of
many
notable
buildings
in
the
city,
including
the
wellwood
murray,
memorial
library,
in
the
pacific
building
and
many
other
private
residences.
However,
this
particular
dwelling
is
not
a
particularly
noteworthy
example
of
products
or
projects
built
by
mr
chamberlain,
and
there
was
no
architect
identified
associated
with
the
structure.
So
again,
we
did
not
find
it
eligible
under
this
particular
criteria.
C
C
Typically,
if
you
don't
have
any
criterion
for
which
the
property
is
potentially
eligible,
it
is
a
moot
point
to
go
further
and
discuss
the
eligibility
of
integrity.
However,
we
did
analyze
the
integrity
of
the
property
and
we
did
not
find
anything
about
it,
which
particularly,
was
noteworthy
or
granted
specific
integrity
findings
for
this
property.
C
So
our
conclusion
is
that
the
structure
at
217
east
ocotillo
is
a
modest
frame
in
stucco
dwelling
from
the
1930s
constructed
and
designed
in
a
simplified
spanish
colonial
revival
style.
It
does
not
represent
a
particularly
noteworthy
example
from
the
period
of
its
style
and
therefore
we
do
not
believe
that
it
possesses
integrity
or
sufficient
qualifications
for
it
to
be
considered
for
further
study
to
possibly
recommend
a
designation
of
a
class,
1
or
class
2
historic
site.
We're
recommending
that
the
board
take
no
action
and
allow
the
applicant
to
proceed
with
the
demolition.
C
B
B
B
E
B
E
B
B
Okay,
let
us
proceed
to
agenda
item
number
four
c.
This
is
to
review
for
a
potential
redesignation
of
a
class
four
site
to
a
class
one
or
two
historic
resources
initiated
by
application
by
don
gottfeld
owner
requesting
a
move
approval
to
demolish
the
dwelling
located
at
1057,
east
buena
vista
drive.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
dwelling,
that's
under
consideration
was
built
in
1946
by
virtue
of
its
age.
As
I
mentioned
previously,
it
is
a
class
4
site
and
a
full
demolition
requires
action
by
the
board
to
either
take
action
to
stay
the
demolition
and
initiate
proceedings
or
take
no
action
and
allow
the
demolition
to
proceed.
C
The
application
the
applicant
has
provided
in
his
materials
information
regarding
several
modifications
that
have
been
made
to
the
site,
particularly
apparently,
several
that
were
made
without
building
permits.
So
there's
a
considerable
portion
or
portions
of
this
particular
dwelling
that
are
illegal.
C
C
The
home
has
no
known
architect
associated
with
it,
and
there
was
nothing
that
we
saw
relative
to
the
builder.
That
would
have
raised
the
question
of
possible
significance,
so
we
do
not
believe
there
is
anything
about
this
particular
dwelling
that
would
justify
further
consideration
or
moving
forward
with
potential
redesignation.
C
B
F
D
D
B
B
B
So
may
I
have
a
motion
to
that
effect:
a
move!
Okay,
mr
roosevelt
makes
a
motion
to
receive
the
report
and
and
schedule
visits
and
a
public
hearing.
Is
there
a
second?
Mr
rose?
You?
Second?
Yes,
okay,
so
are
there
any
discussion
so
seeing
then
we'll
call
for
the
vote
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed,
so
the
motion
passes
six
to
zero.
B
Let
us
proceed
to
a
agenda
item
4e.
This
is
a
application
by
the
city
of
palm
springs
for
a
historic
designation
of
the
el
dumpledobe
located
at
2270,
south
araby
drive
and
the
arab
rock
houses
located
at
2350
2500,
2501,
2540
and
2550
south
araby
drive,
so
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
re,
receive
the
report.
It's
a
big
big
report
and
direct
staff
to
schedule,
site
visits
and
a
public
hearing
to
consider
the
application
so
might
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
Please.
F
A
B
D
C
B
B
C
However,
in
this
memo,
to
which
I
that
I
did
send
you,
I
identified
that
there
were
a
couple
of
the
properties
that
were
recommended
that
are
on
the
reservation
and
therefore
not
eligible
for
consideration
by
the
board,
and
I
also
asked
for
you
to
consider
the
following
and
I'll.
Just
read
this
for
the
public
record.
So
people
understand
what
we're
doing
here.
C
I
said,
while
it's
entirely
the
board's
decision
on
what
it
wishes
to
establish
on
its
annual
work
plan,
I
recommend
the
captor
design,
takwits
creek
golf
clubhouse
be
selected
rather
than
the
captor
designed
fire
station
number
four.
Why?
Because
it
is
a
more
unique
seminal
example
of
the
work
of
hugh
captor.
It
is
more
vulnerable
to
unsympathetic
alterations
and
it
is
less
known
by
the
public
at
large
as
a
signature
piece
of
work
by
this
master
architect.
C
B
B
D
Do
please,
okay,
all
right
great.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
I
would
have
a
question
for
staff.
I
was
wondering
it's
my
understanding
that
the
pumpkin
modeling
committee
has
been
in
touch
with
staff
about
one
of
the
buildings
on
this
list,
which
is
the
gas
company
building
and
how
the
modern
committee
is
concerned
that
there
may
be
some
danger,
perhaps
to
the
site,
and
I
was
wondering
if
staff
could
elaborate
on
that
discussion
and
the
modern
committee's
concerns
for
us,
so
that
we're
all
aware
of
that
sure.
C
C
Review
procedures
in
the
event
that
someone
may
wish
to
alter
or
demolish
a
class
three
or
class
four
site
that
criteria,
that
section
of
the
ordinance,
which
provides
a
procedure
and
a
a
a
stop
point.
If
you
will
in
that
kind
of
action
in
staff's
opinion,
in
my
opinion,
renders
it
unnecessary
to
worry
about
the
potential
danger,
quote:
unquote
of
a
site
being
lost.
C
C
Those
types
of
questions
always
come
to
the
board
on
class
3
and
class
4
sites.
So
my
opinion
was
consider
the
sites
that
really
have
historic,
merit
and
and
reduce
your
concern,
and
I
don't
want
to
say,
eliminate
it
because
I
know
it's
a
thought,
authentic
concern,
but
think
about
the
fact
that
your
your
ordinance
has
has
now
been
revised
significantly
and
puts
in
place
procedural
safeguards
that
that
cause
the
potential
for
alterations.
C
That
would
be
detrimental
or
otherwise
to
be
considered
either
by
staff
or
by
the
hspb,
and
so,
if
your
notion
is
that
the
gas
company
building
should
be
on
your
work
plan
because
there's
some
risk
of
it
being
damaged
or
demolished,
I
think,
is
an
unnecessary
reason
to
make
it
a
priority.
You
should
make
it
a
priority
if
you
believe
that
it
is
above
and
beyond
possessing
historic
significance
compared
to
any
other
site
that
you're
thinking
about
in
the
city,
and
so
that
was
why
that
was
the
nature
of
that
conversation.
A
Mr
lyon,
if
I
could
just
add
relative
to
the
gas
company
building,
I
have
met
with
the
property
owner
a
couple
of
times
discussing
future
plans
for
the
building
and
for
the
site.
We've
also
indicated
to
the
property
owner
the
fact
that
we
would
really
encourage
him
to
pursue
designation
of
the
building
in
terms
of
his
plans.
He
doesn't
have
any
concrete
ideas
yet
about
what
he
wants
to
do,
but
he
has
discussed
adding
additional
facilities
to
the
site
rather
than
modifying
the
existing
gas
company
building.
A
There
is
a
portion
of
the
parcel
on
which
it's
located,
which
is
currently
undeveloped,
and
so
it
does
allow
for
future
buildings
to
be
located
on
the
site
with
limited
impact
to
the
gas
company
building.
So
the
property
owner
is
aware
of
our
interest
in
the
building
and
certainly
we'll
take
that
into
consideration
in
terms
of
any
future
plans
for
the
property.
C
I've
not
spoken
with
mr
martin
recently,
but
I
did
speak
with
him
a
few
years
ago
when
the
board
had
considered
this
on
its
work
plan,
and
mr
martin
was
not
opposed
to
designation
at
that
time
per
se,
but
was
concerned
that
he
really
as
much
as
my
efforts
to
try
to
explain
it
to
him.
He
felt
a
certain
degree
of
apprehension
and
just
wasn't
sure
that
it
was
something
that
he
wanted
to
have
associated
with
his
property
at
that
time.
C
B
C
D
D
B
C
C
B
B
So
now
it's
7
30
and
so
we're
proceeding
to
agenda
item
5b,
which
is
the
annual
preservation
matters
symposium
and
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
will
report
quickly
tonight,
but
invite
members
of
our
subcommittee
to
offer
any
additional
comments.
If
you
would
like,
we,
we've
had
two
meetings
recently,
one
on
september,
16th
and
and
another
one
on
october
29th.
B
B
So
as
soon
as
I
get
that
list
typed
up
of
those
recommended
topics,
I
will
be
happy
to
share
them
with
with
other
board
members
so
that
we
can
proceed
in
making
other
plans.
So
at
this
point,
mr
kaiser,
mr
nelson,
do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
our
our
report?
On
what
we're
doing
with
the
symposium,
mr
kaiser
you're
muted,
you
need
to
unmute,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
F
One
of
the
things
that
we
came
up
with,
which
would
be
a
major
change
in
the
way
that
we're
doing
this,
and
I
hope
we
can
pull
this
off,
and
it's
really
good
is
it.
We
were
because
it's
a
saturday
and
sunday
we
were
going
to
do
the
party
event
on
sunday
evening
rather
than
on
the
first
evening,
which
will
bring
more
energy
into
the
second
day
and
then
we're
looking
right
now
with
finishing
up
with
the
plaza
hotel,
which
would
be
extremely
strong
and
then
move
directly
to
our
party.
F
B
Yeah
and
that's
the
plaza
theater,
as
opposed
to
the
plaza
hotel,
correct
so
yeah,
no,
that's
an
important
change,
and
I
appreciate
you
mentioning
that
you
know
we.
We
want
people
to
celebrate
the
two
days
and
then
be
together
through
the
whole
thing,
and
so
that
was
a
brilliant,
brilliant
idea.
So,
thanks
for
mentioning
that
and
mr
nelson
did
you
want
to
add
anything
more
at
this
point.
D
B
D
C
I
just
have
a
couple
of
pieces
of
information
to
share
with
you.
Okay,
back
in
january,
the
city
council
designated
the
racquet
club
as
a
class
ii
historic
site,
and
it
required
the
applicant
to
provide
a
demolition
plan
of
the
non-designated
parcels
or
buildings
on
the
parcel
in
order
to
eliminate
blight.
C
We
received
that
demolition
plan
from
them
yesterday,
and
it
includes
a
proposal
to
demolish
the
feral
residence,
the
two-story
apartment,
building
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site,
and
there
was
a
one
of
the
bungalows
that
burned
recently
and
was
completely
destroyed
about
a
month
ago.
Those
three
buildings
are
in
their
demolition
plan,
which
will
be
submitted
to
the
city
council
on
consent
for
their
approval.
C
The
second
thing
I
want
to
mention
is-
and
I
see
gary
johns
is
here
in
the
audience-
the
I
hope
all
of
you
have
had
a
chance
to
go
down
and
visit
the
city's
new
downtown
park.
The
palm
springs,
preservation
foundation
and
myself
and
former
mayor
will
kleindentz
were
involved
in
putting
together
a
very
informative
historic
marker
at
the
site.
I
want
to
thank
the
palm
springs,
preservation
foundation
and
gary
johns
for
helping
facilitate
that
that
marker
is
really
tells
a
wonderful
story
about
the
desert
inn
and
nellie
kaufman.
C
C
So
there's
a
new
historic
marker
over
by
the
hyatt
and
there's
a
new
historic
marker
near
the
blaze
pizza
store,
as
well
as
the
one
that's
at
the
city
park.
So
I
wanted
to
just
make
you
aware
of
that.
Also
we
do
have
an
application
that
has
come
in
from
the
bank
of
america
on
the
city,
national
bank,
building
at
the
south
end
of
downtown
cool,
and
I
want
to
report
that
a
very
exciting
find
you
may
recall
a
few
years
ago.
C
They
did
a
repaint
on
the
building,
I'm
embarrassed
to
say
I
was
involved
with
finding
that
color.
That
was
the
wrong
color,
but
remarkably,
they
removed
a
plate
that
was
lit.
That
was
somewhere
on
that
exterior
of
the
building
and
found
the
original
building
color,
which
is
very
exciting,
and
of
course,
I
asked
for
just
a
very
simple
little
color
swatch,
so
I
can
share
it.
C
Oh,
that's
the
little
color
swatch,
so
I'm
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
Most
of
the
work
that
will
be
done
in
the
building
is
relatively
minor,
so
most
of
it
I
will
be
processing
at
staff
level,
but
there
will
be
a
new
screen
around
the
atm
machine
that
I
want
to
share
with
you.
That,
I
think,
is
a
that's
a
very
good
improvement
over
the
one.
That's
there
so
very
exciting
news
about
the
sitting
national
bank
building.
C
That's
it
for
what
my
feeble
brain
can
remember.
It's
late
right
now,
let's
close
this
out,
I
appreciate
all
of
your
work.
I'm
especially
appreciative
of
your
willingness
to
you
know
take
on
all
of
this
reading.
I
know
I
filled
your
your
email
inbox
in
the
last
few
days
with
all
the
public
comment,
but
you
know
that's
part
of
the
public
process
and
we
really
appreciate
all
of
your
efforts
that
you
so
diligently
and
conscientiously
provide
to
the
community
and
to
the
city.
C
D
D
B
Good,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
are
we
all
squared
away
with
comments
and
and
questions,
so
this
historic
site
preservation
board
will
adjourn
to
the
meeting
of
tuesday
december
7th
at
5
30
p.m.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
for
their
participation
today
and
it's
7
30
7.,
so
thank
you
very
much
meeting
is
adjourned.